Looking for Mr. Right
Posted: January 5th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 556 Comments »Jeff Lurie, Howie Roseman and Don Smolenski will be making a critical decision in the coming days. They will hire the next coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Make the right hire and you change the fortunes of your franchise for the near future. Make the wrong hire and you’ll be hiring a new coach in another two or three years. If they make a great hire, they could change football history. You never know where the next Landry, Walsh, Noll, Shula or Belichick is coming from.
Everyone has an opinion on who the Eagles should hire. Go get an offensive guru to help out Sam Bradford. No wait, get a defensive guy to fix that side of the ball. Go get a proven winner with NFL experience. Forget that. Avoid the retreads and get an up and coming coach. And so on.
The bottom line is that we’re all guessing. NFL teams have tremendous resources at their disposal. They do all kinds of research on candidates. They have lengthy interviews. Somehow you still get disasters like Chris Palmer, Marty Mornhinweg and Lane Kiffin.
The trick with hiring a coach is that you’re projecting. You can know how a person has performed in the past, but that is no guarantee of how he will perform in a new job with new circumstances. You are making an educated guess with a lot of human variables.
Mike Krzyzewski is arguably the greatest coach in the history of college basketball. He is one of the most powerful men in sports and is admired by coaches in every sport and on every level. That wasn’t the case back in 1980. He was the coach at Army and coming off a 9-17 season.
Duke athletic director Tom Butters called around to get advice from coaches on some good young prospects. Indiana coach Bob Knight told Butters about Coach K, his former player and assistant. Butters valued Knight’s recommendation and checked out Krzyzewski. That suggestion changed basketball history.
Butters could have focused on finding someone who had more of a name. He could have chosen an assistant from a conference school. The ACC was loaded with coaches back then. Instead of making the obvious hire, Butters rolled the dice and ended up making one of the greatest hires ever.
Think back to 1999. Lurie and Joe Banner could have made the obvious hire and brought in Jim Haslett to run the Eagles. Instead they went with Andy Reid. That was a brave move. Reid had not even been a coordinator in the NFL. Turning your football team over to that guy was bold. But it turned out to be a great move.
Sometimes the obvious move is the right move. Back in the 1950’s the NY Giants had a great set of coordinators. A guy named Vince Lombardi ran the offense while some guy named Tom Landry ran the defense. When the Packers needed someone to turn their franchise around in 1959, they hired Lombardi. When the Cowboys needed someone to come in and build their franchise from the ground up, they hired Landry in 1960. Both men won multiple Super Bowls and build dynasties.
There is no foolproof formula for finding the right coach.
We are going to hear a lot of names mentioned with the Eagles. Fans, media and everyone else is going to have someone they like or hate. That’s fine. That’s part of the fun of a coaching search.
That said, keep an open mind with all candidates. We too often forget where the great coaches came from. Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll might be the two best coaches in the NFL right now. Belichick was a failure in Cleveland in the 1990’s, going 36-44. Carroll was fired by the Jets and Patriots in the 1990s.
Josh McDaniels was awful in Denver. He started 6-0, then went 5-17. He was bad with player relations and personnel moves and everything else you can imagine. Just awful. It is completely logical to want to stay as far away from him as possible. But…but you never know. What if he did learn his lessons? He might be a great hire this time around.
Maybe Jim Schwartz is the next Belichick. Their backgrounds do have some interesting similarities. What about Mike Munchak or Mike Smith? How many people even remember that Todd Haley was once the head coach in KC? He might have an impressive second act to his coaching career.
Maybe Hue Jackson is the next Bruce Arians. Maybe Teryl Austin is the next Todd Bowles. Is Adam Gase the next Sean Payton?
There are a lot of candidates. You can make a compelling case for most, if not all of them. These are all highly successful men with strong backgrounds. They are among the best in the world in their professional field. There are interesting comparisons for each guy. The bottom line is that we’re all guessing. You won’t really know whether you’ve made the right hire for three to five years.
The key is for Lurie to hire the right guy for the Philadelphia Eagles. The best candidate for the Dolphins, Niners and Browns might be someone else. Each situation is unique. Again, let’s go back to 1999. Ray Rhodes was just fired. He had done some good things for the Eagles, but too often focused on the short term. He also tended to live on emotion. That’s a short term fix.
When Andy Reid showed up at the interview with his infamous big blue binder, he was exactly what the Eagles needed. Here was a coach who had plans for everything. He wanted to build a program, not a team for the current season. He wanted to focus on youth, to avoid the team getting too old. He was the right guy.
Chip Kelly did some good things with the Eagles, but there are issues. The Eagles need a coach who is strong with player relations since that was a deficiency with Chip. The Eagles need someone who will look beyond the current week. Chip focused on what was right in front of him. That was good for keeping the players from looking ahead, but the coach does need to peek ahead and have long term vision and ideas.
I’m excited to see how the search goes and which coach Lurie hires. All three of his hires had multiple winning seasons and went to the playoffs. That’s a pretty darn good track record. Maybe this will be the time that Lurie goes from hiring good coaches to finding Mr. Right, the man who can deliver the Lombardi to Broad Street.
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Not sure if out there but another name I'm hearing on @Eagles HC radar for an interview is @TBBuccaneers OC Dirk Koetter @NFLonFOX
— Alex Marvez (@alexmarvez) January 5, 2016
I wasn’t a big fan of Dirk Koetter’s the last time around. Here is something I wrote 3 years ago.
Things have changed a bit since then. First, I was looking for a really strong coach to come in and turn the Eagles around. I didn’t think you wanted to go from Andy Reid to someone like Koetter.
I think Koetter would be a better fit at this point.
There is also more information on Koetter this time around. He had just finished one season with the Falcons back then. Koetter coached Matt Ryan and the Falcons offense for another couple of years and the offense remained a strength. Then Koetter went to Tampa and somehow that group finished 5th in the NFL in yards on offense. Rookie Jameis Winston showed a lot of promise (as the Eagles saw firsthand).
Koetter would not be at the top of my list, but my thinking on him has changed. He’s definitely worth talking to.
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Just heard Sean Mcdermott on The Fanatic and I really came away impressed. He talked alot about player relations. He came across very confident.
The one thing that concerns me about Sean was the impression he left on the players. Many said he was cocky and over-confident. Not sure how valid that is, but it is a concern.
As a coordinator, you can be a little quirky. When you are the face of the franchise, there is a certain maturity that is expected.
I certainly don’t envy Mr Lurie’s decision.
Sean left town less because of his ideas (which many of us hated RE: drop trent cole into coverage on 3rd and 15), but more because of his apparent inability to teach the players what he wanted them to do.
Then again… He inherited the job from a legendary coach which comes with it’s disadvantages.
If he doesn’t connect well with players or owners, I’m not seeing him as a serious potential hire.
Josh Norman and Luke Kuechly.
Maybe Josh learned his lesson? You mean like, going to the Rams and being a complete failure again? Yes, lesson learned. Josh did learn his lesson and went running back to BB to be comfortable and un-accountable. Perfect fit. Let him stay there.
The lesson is be the OC for Tom Brady’s offense. And the most uncoverable TE to ever play.
Mr. Burns: “Strawberry, hit a home run!”
really if we had to take someone from the Pats take the DC. Just please no McDaniels.
100% agree with you. I have no idea why this guy is on any list…
How things have changed. Remember when Andy was hired and he touted his 5-year plan with McNabb. Chip was polar opposite and was hesitant to play rookies and younger guys unless they were the best at their position in practice (Brandon Graham, Brandon Boykin, etc.). Hopefully this time around we get a little of a mix between the two.
Great perspective as usual Tommy.
As fans, we to have to realize that it’s probably not going to be the hot name. There are so many smart guys out there. We just don’t know how the interviews go down.
I know Jeff is taking a lot of heat right now, but I believe he’s a great owner. Patience is often looked on so negatively in today’s society.
Are you sure Lurie is a great owner? Everything I’ve read in the past week indicates he has no clue what he is doing as evident by the fact that Howie still has a job.
Seriously though, I agree 100% with what you said.
On a side note, could you imagine if the NFL televised coaching interviews like a Hard Knocks show? They could air them on during primetime viewing hours in the summer. The owners could pay the salaries of the coaches with the revenue generated from commercial sponsors.
Look there is almost no such thing as a great owner… but Lurie is a good one, he invests in the team, both in coaching staff and facilities, does not meddle with the day to day, has a strong community emphasis and good league ties.
Thats about as good as you can realistically hope for from an owner. Robert Kraft is no football genius… he made the right hiring once and then gave him the power.
It’s my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
I feel great owners trust their guys but also know how to make hard decisions. Admitting to mistakes is hard for many people. Jeff seems like a guy who keeps looking forward.
I also like how he talks to a lot of candidates. Interviews can be a learning experience for owners too.
See my response above.
If you have read any of my posts in the past week, I’ve made it clear I find most of the Philly media to be a bunch of dolts looking to create the news instead of reporting it. The media has been downgraded to tabloid and clickbait journalism in the past few years.
Seriously, tell me this definition is not describing most of the articles written bout the Eagles…Clickbait is a pejorative term describing web content that is aimed at generating online advertising revenue, especially at the expense of quality or accuracy, relying on sensationalist headlines to attract click-throughs and to encourage forwarding of the material over online social networks.
What’s your point? Do you think that it is different in other cities? Maybe the difference is that in Philly, there are a handful of guys who are doing good work as well.
What’s my point? Evidently you did not read my post.
What are you basing the Howie thing on? He drafted well, managed the cap super well and did good trades, so what is your problem with him?
But Chip is a football genius, and some mistakes were made, and a genius could not make mistakes so it must all be Howie’s fault.
I was being sarcastic. I thought I made that clear with my next sentence. “Seriously though, I agree 100% with what you said.”
drafted well?
Yea, I think so. Howie’s first year in complete control of the draft was 2012. In 2013-2014 he collaborated with CK, but was still very much a part of the draft day decisions and running the personnel side of things. 2015 he was ordering helmets and foam fingers on Amazon for the equipment department. So we really only have those 3 years to go by.
2012:
1st Round: Fletcher Cox (nailed it!) – literally nobody else available that you would have wanted to spend that pick on
2nd Round: Mychal Kendricks (inconsistently good player, good overall pick but could have taken Bobby Wagner who was taken one pick later or Lavonte David who was taken 12 picks later. Overall good pick though. No one besides the two other LBs listed turned out better than Kendricks from that round)
2nd Round: Vinny Curry (good pick, would have been better if we had stayed in the 4-3, but there’s no denying his talent. Didn’t pass on anyone of note.)
3rd Round: Foles (wanted Russell Wilson, settled for Foles who worked out better than most 3rd round QBs)
4th Round: Boykin (excellent pick in the 4th, no other 4th round picks taken after him are starters.)
5th Round: Dennis Kelly
6th Round: Marvin McNutt and Brandon Washington
7th Round: Bryce Brown (not only a great value pick, but turned him into a 4th from the Bills which is an amazing job of getting value for a 7th round pick)
Overall: Pretty darn good draft when you get Cox, Kendricks, Curry, Foles, Boykin and Bryce Brown in a single class. Sure you can always use hindsight to find a couple guys that you passed on that might have been better, but this is a well above average draft class.
2013:
1st: Lane Johnson (Good starting RT and potential LT of the future. Will be a fixture of our Oline for a decade. Can’t ask for much more than that. Chip wanted Dion Jordan. Passed on Ezekiel Ansah, but he was a major projection at that point. Other than that, that years 1st round was littered with busts and we needed oline help, not dline. Other than Ansah and Lane the only players you’d even want in that 1st round were Sheldon Richardson, Eric Reid, Tyler Eifert and Deandre Hopkins, all taken well outside the top 10)
2nd: Zach Ertz (is starting to look like a stud TE. The only good players we passed on from that round of any note were Laveon Bell and Eddie Lacy who weren’t going to be drafted with McCoy in place, and Kawann Short and Jamie Collins. I’ll take Ertz in that scenario.)
3rd: Bennie Logan (a relative steal in the 3rd round and a really good DT. Passed on Tyrann Mathieu, Jordan Reed and a bunch of middle rung WRs like Terrance Williams and Keenan Allen – remember we had Maclin, Jackson and Avant at that point and weren’t looking for WRs)
4th: Matt Barkley (bust. We passed on Alex Okafor and an entire round of players you’ve never heard of.)
5th: Earl Wollf (Looked promising until injuries ruined him. The only people that we passed on that I’ve ever even heard of in that round were Kenny Stills, Zac Stacy and Caleb Sturgis)
7th: Joe Kruger, Jordan Poyer, David King
Overall: another strong draft with Lane Johnson, Zach Ertz and Bennie Logan all becoming starters and looking like strong picks. No glaring misses. Even the Barkley pick was taken with not very many more intriguing options on the board.
2014:
1st: MS2 (so far a pretty big bust. No question about that. Passed on Deone Buchannan, Kelvin Benjamin, Bradley Roby, and Teddy Bridgewater as well as Derek Carr. His plan was to draft Ha-Ha Clinton Dix and he was simply caught off guard when the Packers traded up in front of us. Did good Howie-esque work in getting value by trading down 4 spots. We got a third round pick and only missed out on Johnny Manziel, Dee Ford, Darqueze Dennard, and Jason Verrett. I’d say passing on those 4 guys was well worth a third round pick, despite how MS2 works out.)
2nd: Jordan Matthews (another pretty good pick who has had a stellar start to his career, just needs to work on catching the ball. Passed on Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry who were taken at the back end of the 2nd round)
3rd: Josh Huff (I think this is definitely a Chip pick. Can’t see how it wasn’t. Passed on John Brown, Trai Turner – probowl guard in Carolina, Michael Schoffield – starting LT for Denver)
4th: Jaylen Watkins (meh, passed on Davonte Freeman, Aaron Colvin and Brock Vereen)
5th: Taylor Hart (this again has Kelly written all over it. but, no one else from that round has done anything note worthy either)
7th: Beau Allen (great value in the 7th)
Overall: This is his worst draft and the one that seems to have the most of Kelly’s finger prints all over it. The MS2 pick was definitely his reach. Would have been a whole lot better if he had taken one of the QBs available, but with Foles’ incredible year just ending that was pretty much off the table. Matthews was a good pick, Beau Allen was a good pick, it remains to be seen what Josh Huff and Taylor Hart will become.
So 2 fairly strong drafts and one poor draft. But, even that poor draft still has some promising players in it. Matthews is off to the best first two years in team history statistically, Huff has shown some flashes of playmaking ability, Beau is a solid rotational player.
If you really want to see what bad drafting looks like, check out our 2011 draft, the last one that Reid ran. We came out of that disaster with Danny Watkins, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Curtis Marsh, Casey Matthews, Alex Henery, Dion Lewis, Julian Vandervelde, Jason Kelce and Brian Rolle….ew
Jeff got worse with time.
Not discussing the Howie quality’s as GM, but after all that happened, he should be out too.
They may hire the right coach, but philly’s media is ruthless and is better we all lower our expectations,
How can you say that with such certainty?
What I saw from the outside was this:
1. Howie has a draft method that Lurie understands and that seems to work fairly well. Lurie grades people who are making draft decisions presumably based on actual performance.
2. Chip doesn’t like Howie’s method (perhaps in particular the MS2 pick) and asks Lurie for the opportunity to craft the team his way.
3. Lurie allows Chip to have his way, but stows his draft guru (Howie) in another part of the office.
4. Lurie evaluates Chip, identifies what he believes to be regression with few signs pointing in a direction he likes and fires Chip.
5. Lurie reinstates the person he believes should be overseeing the draft (Howie).
Gross oversimplification, but it appears to be how things shook out.
Chip and Howie made good drafts.
Chip and Howie made Dream Teams in FA.
He should be out too.
I’d take Lurie over the disasters in Dallas, DC, Cleveland, etc. any day!
Cleveland, sure, but who wants to be the tallest midget at a party. Being better than Cleveland should be the absolute rock bottom minimum for any coach in Philadelphia – the goals should aim way higher than that.
DC and Dallas are not as bad anymore unfortunately. DC won the division, beat us twice and seem to have a GM and HC now that have found some answers and kept Snyder out of the room somehow. Dallas, if Romo had been healthy all year, likely has a winning record, competes for the division and could be in the playoffs right now. They have a good amount of talent on that team and have been better at drafting/development recently.
I’d take Lurie over them as well, but we have not won a playoff game for a while now and have been some serious work to do without throwing stones at other teams IMO.
The team has won way more than it has lost during Lurie’s tenure as owner. They’ve won something like 7 division championships in 21 seasons, made multiple deep playoff runs, and gone to a Super Bowl. The only thing they haven’t done is won a Lombardi trophy. Lurie cares about winning but doesn’t meddle, has consistently been willing to spend to bring in both coaches and players, and has a strong presence in the Philadelphia community. There’s no way to make a case that he is anything less than a very good owner.
As for Howie, the one guy who is best in position to evaluate his work is Lurie, who clearly trusts him. As outsiders we have limited information to go on and what we do possess suggests that he is pretty good at his job given that the two drafts in which he was most clearly the point man are two of the best in the last 15 years and he has made multiple high-value signings and trades (e.g. stealing Darren Sproles for a 5th round pick). Yes, he’s had a few duds in there as well, but so has every NFL GM. I’m kind of sick of the “Roseman is a bum” narrative because it’s not really supported by evidence.
But we needed a fall guy for any mistakes Chip made. And the eagles ‘reached’ for a pick when it was technically his responsibility. And he is not a football guy(TM).
So he must be a worse hack than Jimmy K.
My concern is, that group heading the HC search will be sour on strong minded coaches(like CK). Will the search be biased and search more for a “yes” man?
For example – if Bill Cower was interested, would that group hire the likes of him?
When has Lurie ever been scared to hire a coach, and when has he been scared of giving a coach power? Reid was not a popular hire at the time with our lovely media. Chip was always a boom or bust hire. Lurie has been willing to give coaches power consistently. Why would that change this year? Because of Howie?
with the recent power struggle with Howie and CK. Why would Howie want to relieve all of that? CK wanted power and briefly won that war. HR now has a huge say in who they hire. He’s not going to hire someone what wants to control the whole organization again. That caused a mess.
On what basis does Howie have a huge say? or that he has so much power in the current situation?
Howie is back in charge of the Front Office for now.. but they are going to appoint someone underneath him in all likely hood and the coach in the structure that Lurie laid out answers to him not Howie. So why would Lurie pass on a better coaching candidate to appease Howie?
And Howie needs to win with this next coach or he is fired… so he needs to get this right or he wont have a job regardless.
The basis that Lurie said he does. 3 pronged approach. 3 guys are making the decision. Maybe they hire a GM. Lurie said no, but reports say they are. That part we don’t know. All we know right now 3 people are making the decision on a HC.
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Last hire was all Lurie. I’ll imagine Lurie and HR are smart people and are saying “let’s not make that mistake again”. HR isn’t going to be bullied by another coach and pushed aside. Again, learning from mistakes.
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It’s not saying hiring the right or wrong HC – it’s saying Howie is not going to give up that much power again. He just had to fight a full year to get it back and now you think he’d hire someone to kick him to the curb again? HR would asked to be released before being demoted again…
Chip failed because he was a bad coach in the end with the Eagles. End of. Not power struggles, not lack of support from the front office or ownership (who gave him everything he wanted), not poor drafting (lack of QB did not help).
Eagles, Lurie and Howie need to find a good coach, and then the right QB. Thats the only way Howie keeps his job, and i suspect thats all he and the search team are looking for.
Agreed. Chip the GM wasn’t very good…
i think he’s better than the narrative gives him credit for.
The environment and culture of the organization is an important component to finding Mr. Right, having him be attracted to be the HC here and helping him succeed as the HC here.
Think of the Phillies, sure they had a run of success from 2007-2011 and won a ring in 2008 based on the revenues from the new stadium partially funded by the public and many high draft picks due to them stinking for years, but the culture was poisonous and the run was built in quick sand.
The cronyism was rampant, accountability was non-existent, the talent evaluation, development and acquisition was terrible, the farm was allowed to stagnate, the coaches were second rate and the payroll was bloated with bad contracts and mediocre players. The run fizzled as soon as the core stumbled since there was no one ready to replace them, the payroll was tapped and the competition had passed the Phillies by years before in how to run an efficient and effective organization. Yet, the Phillies plodded on for 4+ more years after this was evident to even the blind because they did not know how to change, adapt, evolve and improve.
Finally, old guard segments of the ownership and management were purged, most of the old players were moved along for assets, the focus was put on talent evaluation, acquisition and development, MacPhail was brought in as the new President, new thinking was supported, Klentak was hired as GM and everything from A to Z was evaluated and is in the process of being improved. This was methodical, purposeful change.
I think Lurie needs to step back and consider where the Eagles are in relation to the elite organizations in the NFL; the consistent winners, the innovators. Lurie has been bold in his hires which I appreciate, but people like Roseman and Smolenski do not strike me as highly innovative, adaptive change agents. They seem to be the opposite IMO – status quo folks more interested in their own power than in the success of the organization. We’ve seen a lot of media leaks and power plays and drama the last few years and even back into the Reid era. Those do not happen by accident nor are they signs of a good and healthy organization. If that is true, Lurie needs to evaluate everything and make sure he has got the right people in place before he brings in another HC that he wants to succeed. Roseman clearly helped chase Chip out of town – that cannot be allowed to happen again. Roseman is either part of the solution and committed to making it work or he is on the street IMO. Lurie needs to make that message with crystal clarity to everyone in management.
Because we can hire the best HC there is, but if the organizational culture allows for that person to be undermined and undercut in implementing their systems, if the culture allows for media leaks and behind the back sniping, if the culture allows people to be actively working against each other out of a personal feud to the detriment of the organization, that is on Lurie and it will lead to another failure.
Considering Howie fired Gamble for leaks interesting you’re worried about that
Never heard that was the reason, would love to see evidence for it. My sense is Gamble was a Chip guy and so Roseman, as part of his personal feud with Chip, took whatever opportunity he could to undermine him by getting rid of one of his guys. There was clearly a power struggle that happened, that Chip thought he had won, but that clearly now Roseman won hands down. Chip has himself to blame a good part of it, but Lurie should never have allowed the feud to fester and the internal politics to impact the organization.
maybe Howie said I wouldn’t make all those personnel moves, Chip said I want to anyway, Lurie sided with Chip but kept Howie around as his trusted guy. And Chip imploded. I don’t see how the implosion is now Howie’s fault. I mean if you just don’t like him, fine. But he isn’t Amaro and Lurie keeping Roseman around isn’t why Chip got fired. He got fired for being terrible at GM’ing and coaching (at least in 2015, who knows if he can be better).
As I said, Chip was at fault for a large part of it, but it is never good to have internal feuds going on and have people actively working against each other i.e. to preserve, acquire more or re-acquire their own power instead of be focused on doing whatever is necessary for the betterment of the organization.
So tired of the front office drama. It’s been going on for far too long,,. ROSEMAN won the War, he is now more powerful than chip ever was, so hopefully he has learned a thing or two from past mistakes and evolves,improves and does better this time around. He won the War, obviously he has LURIE’s ear, hopefully there is No Longer any reason to see ROSEMAN involved in these dysfunctional Jerry springer, internal front office Battles of it.
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I’m fucking tired of it, and Im tired for LURIE allowing this shit to go on at Novacare. Grow some balls, and make sure ROSEMAN knows that any further drama will result to his termination whether he is right or wrong. This is absurd to have all the front office drama that has polluted novacare for far too long…
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I understand beings ambitious is human Nature, but when you put your ambitions ahead of WHATS best for this team, you got to Go!!… Get it right, find a Fromt office Staff of intelligent, hardworking, ambitious people, that understand working well with others is important, and nothing should come ahead of working together towards one common goal… All these silly short sited power plays and drama.. Cut it out, and be smart enough to understand that if you all work together towards 1 common goal, team success will bring promotions and new league wide opportunities for EVERYONE…
Agreed, the drama and back biting needs to stop
Roseman said last year, Chip if you strike me down I will come back more powerful than you can ever imagine.
Scouting department contracts run through May.
If it was something like personality conflicts or being chips go to guy they would have waited until May. To fire him when they did it was for insubordination (ie non authorized leaks)
I remember back in 2011-2012 people talked about how silently Howie worked (Nnamdi silence lol).
I have a general theory with press coverage… the more positive the takes the more people feed… the more negative the takes the less that comes out from that person.
Gamble came in, and 1) the organisation suddenly leaked like a sieve, 2) got pages and pages of copy saying how good and important he was to the organisation.
Honestly it is impossible to get a clear understanding on the situation from the outside – so many #hottakes and lies spread by people looking for clicks and content.
Look at Indy? who had them keeping Pagano and Grigson 2 days ago? They hated each other and could not work at all apparently.
Yep. There is generally an inverse relationship between media opinion of someone and how much they leak. Noah Becker has traced when beats started getting info and when it stopped. Gamble was leaking like a seive. You can tell by how hard some of them still cape for him.
i hate to just say “link?”, so i’ll be a little less blunt – i’d like to read what Becker found re: gamble, can you point me to it? sounds like a cool read. thanks
It’s just been various shit on twitter dispersed over time. He first picked up on it a few month after Gamble got hired. Suddenly Mark Eckel who didn’t have shit for connections for years had tons of FO gossip and was slobbing Gambles knob. It continued here and there with a couple other people. Basically all the ones who he thought were getting stuff from Gamble stopped having that type stuff after he got fired and have all been very fuck howie gamble is da bestest ever since.
ok cool. i had assumed you were referring to a blog post or something like that to read. didn’t see anything on twitter aside from what you mentioned. thanks anyway!
I’m not sure how the Phillies are a good example. They killed themselves giving contracts out like candy. Howie has not done that.
It was a bad organizational culture that allowed the payroll to be wasted and accountability to not be enforced until the entire house collapsed.
I think there are signs from the way Reid was sent out, Roseman was conveniently “excused” for the bad drafts, Chip’s tenure unfolded and how his firing came to pass that show some rot exists within the Eagles organization as well. Roseman has some impressive survival skills clearly IMO had a role in getting Chip shipped out since it had become personal between them. Lurie should never have allowed that to happen and, if I am a HC candidate here, I’m definitely making sure that I’m not going to be the next victim.
I’m sure Howie has been told this time around if the coach goes they are going down together.
Good, thats all I would want to know. Roseman needs to be on board fully or out as does everyone else IMO.
Short of Howie pulling a ’12 Eagles draft, ’14 Raiders draft, ’10 Seahawks draft every year and the coach being a bumbling moron who can’t figure it out Howie won’t survive another coaching change in the next 5 years.
Roseman is trusted by Lurie. I’m sure Lurie wanted Roseman to let him know how he thinks Chip is doing, otherwise why keep Roseman around?
There are far worse things to have a Roseman in your FO. He wouldn’t sign Ryan Howard to that deal.
I would not have kept Roseman around, as soon as it became a personal feud, I would have made my choice and fired who I thought was the offending party.
Lurie surely is not naive enough to think that Roseman is going to give him objective reports on the guy who replaced him in a direct power play, is he? I hope not.
Again, it is about the organizational culture that ALLOWED the argument to be made and accepted that signing Howard to that deal was smart and would be beneficial for the organization. If they knew what they were doing, they would have known the odds were slim it would pan out like the Cards smartly did with Pujols. they got his best years, let him go, let someone else overpay him for his out years and they would have payroll freed up to pursue other younger talent to keep their organization competitive.
i’d guess howie mostly just kept quiet this year and let chip hang himself. he had to know more than anyone how big a disaster chip would be given full control. if he actually did try to “chase Chip out of town” then Lurie isn’t nearly as smart as i think he is.
It is human nature. CK took Roseman’s authority and had Lurie marginalize him so CK could hire his own people and take over the team. Of course, Roseman was beyond pissed and humiliated. It would be highly abnormal if he did not work to undermine CK to get his power back and settle the score. I highly doubt Roseman sat idly by and stayed silent.
I’d be shocked if he kept completely quiet after the Eagles started to crumble down the stretch. Howie strikes me as someone that will always make sure to let the owner know when he was right about something in hindsight. Even if it’s not overt, you know he’s been slipping some of his more pertinent “voluminous notes” to Lurie when things started going south.
I assume this is just being smart and not an all out Gase chase, but note that the Eagles did two things to now be ready to pounce. They interviewed Duce, then the interviewed Shurmur on the Monday one day after his game, which is a bit unfair b/c no prep time but if the goal is “Shurmer earned this interview and we want to give it to him” then you couldn’t schedule it for Wed if you happened to hire Gase Tuesday night.
From the past I think Lurie is more deliberate than this, but….they are set to move fast.
I think they will go through the process.. I think if interview goes really well they will say to Gase, think you did a great job and go see other opportunities, but before signing anywhere give us a chance to make a final offer.
Lurie has always done thorough interview processes since it is a great way to get a range of information and opinions, and also hear some interesting names for coordinators and coaching staff.
right I kind of doubt they would move that fast, but it’s good to be able to do so. I think the likely hire isn’t going to be a “leading candidate” like Gase.
have they even scheduled an interview after gase?
yes I don’t know schedule but from BGN:
Buccaneers offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter
Jaguars assistant head coach and offensive line coach Doug Marrone
Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin
Giants offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo
Eagles offensive coordinator and interim head coach Pat Shurmur – [Official confirmation]
Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase
Eagles running back coach Duce Staley – [Official confirmation]
I really hope they avoid Doug Marrone. The guy left a promising Buffalo team after just two seasons to try for a bigger/better gig. Then after he failed to get that gig, he got stuck with anything he could find.
Besides, I think Doug Marrone owed most of his success to having Jim Schwartz as his defensive coordinator.
I think they do move fast. As Fufina said – why give him a chance to interview and accept elsewhere while you’re thinking you’re doing your diligence? Hire him now if he’s your man.
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Also – if they didn’t want to move quickly, why fire CK so suddenly?
not a lot of depth in this year’s coaching availables. i think they think gase is their guy.
just depends there is a benefit to talking to a few people
“Before signing elsewhere, give us a chance to match” sounds great, but it doesn’t always work that way,., often when an Owner loves a candidate they keep him in the building until they can sell him and sweeten the deal enough to not let the candidate leave without his signature on a contract..
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For example, had chip not changed his mind at the last minute, LURIE probabky doesn’t Allow GUs Bradley to leave his mansion without getting his signature on a contract, before he ever was even able to go interview for the Jags who he ended up signing with… To me it seemed like Bradley would have et signed with us, instead of telling us “thanks for the offers, but im going to go interview with the Jags tomorrow and Then I’ll make my decision.
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owners are competing with each other for Coachng candidates, but Candidates are also competing with each other for jobs.. If a candidate likes an offer, but wants to go look around more, he could end up losing that offer when a team finds someone else they like interviewing other candidates while waiting on the guy they liked to make a decision.
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If an Owner and Candidate both like each other as a fit, sometimes they get the deal done on the spot, Amd end up canceling interviews they had booked for the next week
You obviously take a risk if you let people walk out the door to look at other opportunities, but you also take a risk when you do not look at all the available candidates.
Generally it is the dumpster fire teams that need to force coaches to make fast choices, the more desirable teams can take time since they know they don’t need to force it.
Eagles have a huge advantage since Lurie has traditionally paid his coaching staff some of the top money in the league and in the end $$ makes the difference.
It’s interesting for sure,,, I think they will be as deliberate as they can afford to be, For example, if someone really blows them away this week, how can they afford to be deliberate and wait until they interview some of the assistants on playoff teams? If they love Gase or whoever this week, waiting until we interview guys working for playoff teams could end up costing you a candidate you loved with how competitive the market is for Headcoaches, ESPECIALLY this year where there are attractive job openings like the Giants who have a two time SB winning QB who has been an Ironman that doesn’t miss games..
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I think LURIE would like to be deliberate, but I’m not sure how deliberate he can afford to be in this years market
yeah not a great market
I do think the recent process might make them more comfortable pulling the trigger early this time.
they gathered so much intel during the search 3 years ago. wouldn’t be surprised if a coach is hired by the end of the week this time. doesn’t really matter tho just find the right guy
Funny how expectations have fallen from Howie somehow getting Sean Payton and John Harbaugh away from their current teams, to Dirk Koetter & Doug Pederson.
yeah Howie sucks why can’t he get Harbaugh from the Ravens?
He would definitely be able to get Harbaugh from the Ravens if he were only a “Football Guy”!
They’d throw some lips, readjust their balls and laugh as they violate tampering rules and harbaughs contract. hahaha nerds they would laugh.
don’t forget he failed to hire Pagano too
“Tom James of the Terre Haute Tribune-Star, who reports that the Colts were negotiating with Payton’s representatives while talks with Pagano were also taking place. Talks with Payton broke down, and that’s when Colts owner Jim Irsay decided to stick with Pagano.”
Well today is the Gase interview. This is the first one that the Eagles might actually snatch up immediately should he fully impress them. We have yet to hear of other interviews scheduled.
Today is a big day. One way or the other we will know much more. It usually seems like if a team (including the Eagles) really like a guy they make their move quick. If he leaves Philly without a contract, odds are he is not the guy.
think it could be shurmur or gase?
I think they like Shumur but he doesn’t stand a chance I don’t think.
Here’s an article from 1999 that rundowns the Eagles’ hiring of Andy Reid.
Essentially 2 interviews — but they never let him leave town.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Eagles_hire_Packers_assistant_Andy_Reid_as_new_head_coach.html
Sean D. on the radio begging to be an eagle and silence from the FO. Why is that?
who is Sean D?
McD
Because he’s calling sports radio begging for the job.
right I read the article on Birds 24/7. It’s like he read Lurie’s press release and is giving answers he thinks we want to hear.
very surprised that hes not getting an interview
I hope we hire an Offensive-minded Head Coach, instead of just an offensive Head Coach.
I want a coach who will offend the shit out of me. lol
OK, I get it, but let’s get a guy who won’t offend and alienate our team.
I’m seriously beginning to enjoy the off-seasons more than the actual football season. Seems like there hasn’t been a dull moment in this city since the arrival of T.O.
i was just thinking that. all full of hope without the disappointment of sundays.
hahaha instant “help”
Is that help for the Redskins, or Aaron Rodgers?
Atleast 2 penalties will be called on him and of course they will happen at the worst time.
“Looking for Mr. Right” might not be as important as Avoiding Mr Wrong. Reid was the former; Rhodes & Kelly were the latter in that they were not long term hires and cost the franchise years. Projecting w/ head coaches appears to be as hit or miss as projecting first round draft choices. Avoid the boom or bust selection; go w/ the known.
But Reid was not the “known”. That’s the point; the decision is based on a range of criteria unique to each organization that we, as the public, do not really know about. That is where the trust in Lurie comes in; we have to let it play out and hope he gets it right again like he did with Reid. The “known” can be just as bad as the “unknown” in these situations.
interesting article on drafts http://www.footballperspective.com/are-certain-teams-better-at-drafting-than-others/
I think this is why Belicheat trades down so much for more picks.
but Belicheck has been pretty awful at drafting.
I think the theory that Belicheat is a terrible GM is overblown.
It’s not overblown. There’s just other aspects that cover it up..like cheating and having Brady.
the guy must not be best coach ever but the bestest coach EVER if he wins 4 SB’s, goes to 6, all despite being a horrible GM.
Belicheck the GM has more misses than hits. He does pull in premium FAs because like you said he wins even without studs. That doesn’t mean he’s a good GM.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bill-belichick-nfl-draft-new-england-patriots/
I would argue that having 4 rings and 2 SB’s losses does in fact make you a good GM. I think it’s actually the only argument I need, but I include an article too.
Uhh I hope you actually read the article. I don”t even know how you can keep using the Cowgirls argument against me when Belichick could have more rings if he was as good at talent evaluation as he is at coaching.
think the team is managed well but no one is taking about his draft picks, though he has some hits
When he hits its a all pro like Gronk tho
Meanwhile we’re like yay we hit on a LB for once and its a guy like Kendricks lol ;(
The thing is he’s capable of being his own OC, DC, and a capable GM
and refusing to pay more than $2m for a runningback.
Yup. He turned Dion Lewis into like the next Sproles. That’s impressive.
must have really good coaching. However he runs through crappy WRs.
That’s what I don’t get. He had Moss and they were pretty much unbeatable. Now he’s taking the Chip Kelly approach for WRs. Not that I’m complaining since I don’t need to see another Patriots juggernaut in my lifetime.
You need to avoid thinking that because something is a certain way, that it is intended to be a certain way. This is especially true with such a small sample size as Chip’s 2-3 drafts. I think the Patriots would love to have a stud WR, just as we would love some stud OL. It just didn’t work out that way in a market with 31 other employers.
priorities
What if I told you that Belichick traded down when they would have had..Demaryius Thomas or Dez Bryant?
Cherry picking arguments is easy with hindsight.
Being ignorant is easier.
1) it is hard to draft well always being in the late 20’s. Hard to get consistent premier top talent that way, so you have to take risks.
2) they have drafted very well with the front 7 the last few years.
3) he likes players who do specific roles and will execute, which is very specific to them, so they ‘reach’ on those guys at times, but that does not mean it is bad drafting.
I think one thing a lot of people need to do is ‘unprogram’ some of the narratives that the media have created in the past. People try to fit events into a simple narratives, they look for information that confirms their belief’s and especially with media where simple black and white narratives are rewarded.
As events unfold we and the media attempt to fit new events into those pre existing narratives often forcing them even if there are more simple explanations available. This process repeats and repeats and we end up with ‘common truth’ that is very different form reality.
Think people need to keep an open mind and review some of the preconceived ideas and ‘truths’ people hold, especially with the Eagles that are a very secretive (by necessity) organisation with little to no external access. There is a very small group of people who have an idea of what has gone on and all of them have different agenda’s, and even then no one person knows the entire story or situation.
As events consistently show people are wrong about things… Indy was firing everyone, same with the Chargers… Chip was safe for another year.
I think people NEED to keep an open mind because it’s impossible for any of us to have any clue who the best candidate is, since we are only privy to a very small fraction of the info that goes into making a decision like this… And Truth is, the media is just as fuckin clueless as we are, so it’s wise to remain open minded, and not even bother paying attention to media members trying to tell us that it’s a great hire or a Horrible hire,…
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Unfortunately no fan or media can know if we hired the right man, so no matter what our personal opinions of the candidate, we have to be smart enough to know what we don’t know, so there is nothing to do but have faith in the people making this decision, and keep an open mind, hope that we hired the right man, and play the wait and see game before anyone can have any clue whether we hired the right guy or not….. It’s impossibie to have an accurate opinion on this without even being privy to the interview process
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This is Luries 4th coaching hire, some big successes and some failures, hopefully he learned enough from the previous 3 Experiences to Identify the best man for this job, and then we have to hope that ROSEMAN can land the best man for the job…
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Crazy how this offseason will be so much more interesting than this past season
Scary to think it can be more exciting than giving Chip full control, trading for Bradford, and trading Shady + Mathis situation.
People(me ) base opinions on what we read. Nobody on this board is included in any meetings that happen in the NFL. If we’re to post an opinion(and that’s all these really are), what can we base our opinion on other than what we’re reading? If we’re not to comment opinions – what else is the use of this board? Our opinions are throwing darts.
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The other option is to be an Monday Morning QB and say “I told you so” after the events happen. I’m certainly not that guy.
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I think MS2 is a huge bust. My opinion that’s based on how CK used him. Will a new(or same) DC use him differently and he becomes a success? Certainly can happen and it’ll prove me wrong.
Would anyone else consider Tom Coughlin for head coach?
uhhh
Tough call. Players loved him, but the team sucked.
Similar to AR. If the guy can’t coach anymore, then what’s the point.
Cleveland, sure. He could give that situation some credibility.
the chiefs will tell you otherwise about andy. Sometimes a change of scenery is all you need.
I was initially against coughlin but his players love him and dude has SBs under his belt. Could do worse.
The argument can certainly be made.
Shottenheimer did some great stuff too in San Diego.
Anyone who’s had a terrible job/boss knows that even a mediocre boss is amazing by comparison. The Chiefs were so bad a player literally killed himself in the parking lot. Sure, the team wasn’t the sole cause for that, but can you imagine being one of the other guys in the locker room after that? AR just needed to be okay to be loved out there.
God no… I hope they don’t even bother interviewing him
he is 69 for crying out loud.
NICE
No thanks, Giants have been very predictable and conservative for years now. Eagles knew how to beat them consistently and the Giants under Coughlin never adapted. Without elite talent like they had defensively on their SB teams, the Giants are a middle of the road blah team that has missed the playoffs 4 years in a row, tied themselves to a 35 yr old QB and have talent holes all over the roster. Most of that is due to the bad job the GM, Reese, has done recently, but some of it was Coughlin who was stuck on playing the same vanilla way and whose teams made the bad mistakes consistently to kill themselves.
Giants have also been hammered by injuries the last few years, I mean hammered.
This is kind of where I’m at. Reese has done a horrible job of adding talent, but Coughlin didnt help. Though I do think Coughlin is a good coach (and 2 Super Bowls are evidence of that), I don’t know that he’d be the best selection for the team.
so the point of Tommy’s article is we all want to be like Duke?
That reminds me . . .
In 1957, before the Eagles hired Buck Shaw (who led them to their last title in 1960), the Birds were going to hire Vince Lombardi.
VINCE F’ING LOMBARDI.
Here’s the story.
http://articles.philly.com/2015-01-31/sports/58654230_1_eagles-gm-lombardi-trophy-vince-lombardi
Re: Just How Deliberate is Lurie?
Here’s an article from 1999, shortly after Reid’s hiring, describing the process.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Eagles_hire_Packers_assistant_Andy_Reid_as_new_head_coach.html
The takeaway seems to be that Lurie-Banner-Modrak had a very short list — 2 people — of top candidates. And then a longer list of fall backs.
And the Eagles wasted almost no time once they spoke to Reid to hire him.
Lurie’s M.O. is not, it seems, to window shop for a few weeks before deciding.
He has a pretty good idea who he wants right now. The question is whether the candidate meets expectations.
I guess but just seemed like 3 years ago we were interviewing a lot of people. Maybe just waiting for Chip to decide.
True. But I think Kelly and Bradley were atop Lurie’s list.
Bradley was tied up with another SB run. And Kelly dragged his feet.
So the time was filled with interviews of guys who never had a chance. Just a theory.
you can see in the way they interviewed this time 2 scheduled interviews and then “rumors”
Thanks for posting this. How soon Was JJ hired after Andy?
2 weeks later.
Here’s the article — and JJ proved to be exactly what Reid promised.
http://articles.philly.com/1999-01-23/sports/25490513_1_defensive-staff-tommy-brasher-linebackers-coach
Nice piece, Tommy.
so by tonight/tomorrow Gase could be our coach…..
at least then we can start speculation about everything else!
or shurmur
no c’mon this is the first candidate they could try to block from leaving.
If Lurie’s hiring of Reid is any indication . . .
Yes.
There will be a second interview. He’s not getting announced tonight.
did Chip and Andy have a 2nd?
Both did.
ok I’ll try to settle down then
gase is pretty booked up rest of week.
sounds like if we read ‘2nd interview’ then we get excited….
First interview is who are you, what do you believe in, how do you see yourself fitting in here, philosophies, what do you want to do with the team.
Second interview you act like he is the coach and you set out your gameplan for the offseason getting more into specifics. You’ve had some time to think about things, you’re pretty sure he’s the guy. He’s had time to make some calls so he’s got a rough blueprint of his staff. This is the put a bow on it meeting.’
If Gase crushes it they’ll tell him not to take any offers without talking to them again and schedule something in the next couple days. Let him get a better feel of whats out there and let them at least talk to a couple more people to make sure they did due diligence.
The announcment of a second interview will be the white smoke from the Vatican.
So maybe first meeting in the morning, and second meeting in the afternoon/evening?
😉
(I guess if he cancels other scheduled meetings of his, that might also be a sign.)
He’s got the Dolphins and Browns on Wed and Thurs. You can let him go to those meetings to finish your process. All things being equal he’s not taking those jobs over the Eagles.
Well except when he comes in and says he wants to give Juan more try at the wide 9…
is giving shurmur an interview a “second interview”?
You know him but you need him to make the case from scratch.
Coach B:
Reid’s second interview came the morning after his first.
FWIW.
Yep, but they still had it and they also talked to other people also read reply to Rob below about 1st v 2nd interview
Hey, Coach:
QUESTION:
I assume the purpose of the 2nd interview is to get answers to new questions raised by previous responses. (Redirect, as it were.)
Thoughts?
How so?
great write up.
love the Vatican comment.
but hiding behind the guise of mild-mannered Tyler Aston . . . you are the walrus (like Paul).
“This Masquerade”–bada$$ song from a bad man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ibK5L2a4I
The second interview is more ok so you said you want to run a zone blocking scheme. You have stated you prefer a zone scheme because it allows for more versatility against non vanilla fronts. Do you have a couple of names in mind for OL coach? Ok. Those guys all run a zone but with more of an emphasis on mauling types as opposed to athletic types. Lane and Kelce are here due to contracts. Thats ok? What are your thoughts on Peters? You want to meet with him and discuss his future before making a firm commitment? That’s doable. Do you need a RT that is more capable as a pass blocker? Or can you get away with a mauler and hide deficiencies with game planning?
You said last time you like our young WR corp. What will you do to bring out the best in them? Ok so you have a WR coach you worked with 10 years ago who has a good track record. He has a good background with developing young players and knows when to use the carrot and when to use a stick. Good. You talked to him last night and he would be interested in the job. That’s good. What are your thoughts on Jordan Matthews? Do you believe he needs to stay in the slot, or are you open to moving him around possibly playing him on the outside more?
Shit like that.
This is great stuff.
You need a bigger microphone. Seriously.
Well I’ve got Eagles Rewind now. That’s been fun. I just need to become more disciplined to stop spewing in the comment section and put it into a more formal article. Harder to sit down and write for for a few hours and research/link/cite it, (as opposed to just messing around here while I watch TV) especially as I just graduated so now I’m underemployed working full time and enterin the job market for the first time.
Huzzaw.
I like the comments too, more Q&A like. So don’t dismiss commenting too much.
I’ll still be around to harass all of you
You’re a wealth of fantastic insights.
Has to be a way to get you on Sirius.
I’ve got a voice made for print.
But a face made for print ad campaigns!
Cosell-like.
There’s an app for that!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chmodsoft.perfectvocal&hl=en
I would just hire the guy who’ll say yes to fixing the OL ASAP.
PFT was Florio’s passion project on the side like 10 years ago. He was a lawyer, and usually those guys are putting in 60+ hours. If ya love it stick with it, who knows maybe it will make ya rich one day.
journalism-related degree?
Liberal Arts Economics.
how are you going to unleash Cox?
when it’s 3rd and 7 do you like to run 5 yard routes?
It would be less how do you maximize Cox and It would be more ok so you want to move to a more aggressive defensive front and you think that maximizes the front 7 talent we have. Are you concerned about offenses taking advantage of DL being over aggressive? Ok so youre more married to that philosophically but that’s something you’ll be asking during defensive hiring meetings? We can live with that.
by the way I know it’s early so hard to guess where people are drafted, but is the QB you like enough to take for the Eagles in Round 1 and you think is available (or round 3)?
I’m interested in giving up a third and future first to move up to get Goff.
I’m interested in Wentz somewhere picks 25-40. He has to sit at least a year but you’ve now got a coach who isn’t gonna get fired if he doesn’t make the playoffs in 2016 so it’s doable.
And he could be our head coach in 2 weeks time after being hammered by #hottake La Canfora, for being unable to get our guy.
that’s what I remember now from 3 years ago. No one will work with Howie! No one wants the job. Sigh.
Just like the how Pagano demanded to be tied to the hip with Grigson. The NFL media is really pretty terrible. They are held to no sort of standard.
But Howie must be held accountable.. to the media!
Awesome! It will be fun to see how the commentariat falls into Gase-apoligists and Gase-haters immediately, and observe the threads of irrational commentary about every move and non-move he does. All informed by Howie’s presence and the weird power dynamic that will surely ensue.
I guess I do miss Andy.
Not like we didn’t have all of that banter with Andy here. Only then it was the evil golemesk Joe Banner, or the genius capologist Joe Banner, depending on the side you chose.
Dropping Bid Red was so bitter sweet. He had a great career here. It just wasn’t working out anymore. Glad to see he still has what it takes to make a competitive team.
True, but it was easier to ignore.
The problem to me was the coaching staff at the time… and that could cause relationship issues with Reid and some of those guys if they were all let go en masse while Reid stayed. It was much easier to just fire Reid and the rest of the assistants along with him. He’s had success with the Chiefs and note that he barely took anyone with him.
The talent rot on the staff was a long time in the making, but to me was the biggest problem. Plus, making Castillo defensive coordinator was definitely a fireable offense (a problem begat by hiring a Wide-9 line coach before coordinator, thus dictating the defensive system to said coach, which doesn’t work well.)
Good point.
gase sucks/is great.
Take a stand, man!
IF we keep gase is the thought that we keep bradford? let gase try to get a qb? Seems like most of his merit is getting the best out of qbs – what happens if you don’t have a qb?
Sanchize !
D3FB (a front) gave an excellent description of the interview process buried in a 3rd-generation reply.
Here it is again:
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D3FB
First interview is who are you, what do you believe in, how do you see yourself fitting in here, philosophies, what do you want to do with the team.
Second interview you act like he is the coach and you set out your gameplan for the offseason getting more into specifics. You’ve had some time to think about things, you’re pretty sure he’s the guy. He’s had time to make some calls so he’s got a rough blueprint of his staff. This is the put a bow on it meeting.’
If Gase crushes it they’ll tell him not to take any offers without talking to them again and schedule something in the next couple days. Let him get a better feel of whats out there and let them at least talk to a couple more people to make sure they did due diligence.
The announcment of a second interview will be the white smoke from the Vatican.
Well you can mess up the 2nd interview… if he comes in and says i want Juan in to run the wide 9 and Timmy T as my QB, i am trying someone else.
You can but if they are giving a second interview in the next week or so it’s their job to lose.
I thought they interviewed him by phone on Sunday night? Is that considered the first interview?
Paul DePodesta will be leaving his job with the #Mets to become the #Browns new Executive VP #
Browns going all-in on analytics
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How exactly do NFL teams use analytics?
Basically the most Browns thing ever: Lets hire some experts to guide us and help not making a mistake, then ignore their advice and count on our own many years of, eh, succes in drafting QBs.
Say what you will about Lurie, but I seriously doubt we’ll hear stories of him going over everyone in the organizations head, and drafting a guy he likes but nobody else does. Thats pretty much what Haslam did with Manziel.
Here is a new QB prediction system:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/introducing-qbase
an old one:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012
Both interesting, I think, but looking at the results, not exactly overwhelmingly awesome.
Donnie underperformed vastly according to their prediction system!
2012 tidbits:
Nick Foles, Arizona: 1,391 DYAR
Important stats: 33 games started, 66.9% completion rate, 43 carries for -103 yards.
Foles is this year’s version of Ricky Stanzi, a guy whose strong LCF forecast will probably end up moot because scouts will determine that he’s not worth of a pick in the first three rounds. His film from 2011 has apparently dropped him on a lot of draft boards, and he had a poor combine performance. Greg Cosell calls him a “major projection” based on slow arm speed and an inability to drive intermediate-lenth passes. He also has an elongated delivery. I’m not a scouting expert by any means, and I haven’t seen Foles play, but the scouting reports on Foles remind me a lot of the scouting reports on Andy Dalton, except that Dalton didn’t have a problem with a slow delivery.
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State: 1,362 DYAR
Important stats: 38 games started, 64.6% completion rate.
One interesting note about Cousins is his fluctuating size. He’s 6-foot-3 and weighed in at the combine at 214 pounds, which leads to a 26.7 BMI. That’s lower than usual for quarterbacks, but not extremely low. However, he played the 2011 season at 202 pounds and 25.2 BMI. The data set used to create LCF v2.0 doesn’t have a single quarterback listed below 205 pounds or 25.8 BMI. The team drafting Cousins needs to make sure he keeps up an intensive strength program so he’s sturdy enough to take the hits he’s going to take in the NFL. The ESPN Scouts Inc. profile of Cousins (note: Insider) lists him with “below average” durability.
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin: 2,650 DYAR
Important stats: 48 games started, 60.7% completion rate, senior passer rating rose 64.1 points.
I would be remiss if I didn’t at least mention the ridiculous projection that the Lewin Career Forecast spits out for Russell Wilson. Yes, that projection is even higher than the one for Robert Griffin. No, it doesn’t particularly mean that Wilson is a sleeper prospect. There are a few things going on here that the LCF is just not designed to account for.
Interesting bit about Cousin’s durability. I wonder what those numbers said about RG3. I was sort of intrigued in a Chip Kelly revival attempt for the guy here, but he looks so frail for an NFL player.
RG3 had a monster projection, like best in 10 years or something, if I recall correctly.
With no durability concerns?
They explain the methodology in the articles. There’s no specific component allowing for injury. One of the interesting parts of the earlier model was simply starts. A four-year starter has a major advantage over a one-year wonder. So perhaps that would account for injury to some degree.
I have heard that before, Tommy had talked a lot about extended starting experience.
Also remember when Shady came in and people were back and forth on him, someone (Tommy?, maybe even you?) on emb said the best indicator for RB success in the pros was touchdowns in college. Worked out well with Shady.
Interesting stuff.
lol, Holy shit did that really happen?
what a joke of a franchise
Moral of the story: study what the Browns do and run 100mph in the other direction?
No clue, seems to have caught on in basketball much more. The NFL is a very conservative league. Chip was liked by analytics types because some of his policies (ie, going for it on 4th down) have a superior expected value than typical NFL meatheads. However, he abandoned those cool things and became just as bad shortly. Matthews led the league in RB efficiency for a while according to DVOA, while Murray never had astounding stats. Bradford has never had even decent advanced stats for a QB.
think chip hated it here and wanted to get out? really went into a shell in 3rd year
I think Kelly — if he’s religious at all — was praying mightily for Ken Niumtalolo to leave Navy for the BYU job, so CK could go to Annapolis. (Makes for a good story, at least)
Chip’s NFL career has been a confusing mess. For all that this past offseason was hit-or-miss, just making that many changes was extreme and Snyderish. Good teams simply don’t do that. Maybe in the NBA. I think it will take awhile for me to get perspective on his 2014-15. Just so awful and incompetent.
I tend to think the OL problems overwhelmed and led to a lot of other things, like his vanilla play calling etc.
Brick by brick the tower came tumbling down…
Chips scheme needs people to win 1v1, in the NFL if you do not have a great offensive line unit that is a very tough way to play.
Nah. I think he went into a shell with the media because he doesn’t like being questioned. Unfortunately he is a bit of a fraud. “Question everything” is not a quote he actually lives by. It should read more along the lines of “Question everything that I haven’t already made an absolute decision on”.
Matthews still fished the year with over a 5 yard average. Pretty darn good there.
I feel like coaches have been saying for ever that they have numbers on everything. It just seems like they don’t actually do much analysis. Not sure it would be as useful as it is for baseball, but interesting to see how it goes.
Incredibly poorly.
Sample sizes are small. Huge variables. So many moving parts that by the time you control for all the variables to the point of statistical significance you’ve bastardized your models to the point of being useless.
Thanks. Great as always.
Hate say this, but that sounds like the Browns.
. . . although Podesta did some work for old CFL Baltimore Stallions.
What a mess.
Film and scouting are really the only way to do it. I love sabermetrics. My background is economics. I just don’t see a feasible way to do it
Theres little things here and little things there to be gleaned especially when looking at trends league wide
Hockey has: Corsi, Fenwick, PDO
Baseball has:BABIP, UZR, xFIP ERA+
Basketball: True Shooting %
I just don’t see the day coming when we get things like this for football.
Football is such a vast field that it seems curious to me you feel there’s no scope for using analytics. It’s obvious that some data sets are so small that they should be treated as random, but that some are large enough that they should be taken into account. The two big ones, as far as I can tell, are simple point differential and QB stats. The first appears to be so much better that simple record that it’s hard for me to conceive why an educated person wouldn’t be interested in it. In the second case, because a QB has more control than any other player and usually has 25 or more data points a game, I don’t understand ignoring that. Not to mention that QB stats over time, while not nearly as stable as something like Wins Produced in basketball, is fairly steady.
lots of interconnected pieces unlike basketball and baseball, hard to tease out individual stats/importance. Though there’s more and more data i think eventually someone smart may crack it, but i think success will be limited.
Like I said theres things here and there. If I’m a GM point differential is interesting but like what the hell am I going to do with it in practical application. Like no one is gonna be like oh shit well we went 10-6 but our point differential an pythag say we should have been more like 7-9, therefore I need to do what exactly?
And even QB stats are meh. Oh shit this guy has 8.0 YPA and that guy only has 6.5 YPA. Well duh guy A runs an Coryell offense and guy B runs a WCO.
All advanced football statistics are still more “fun to talk about online” than “providing any substantial information to decision makers”
I see. Myself, I am a fan and have no aspirations of working for a team. I prefer informed interaction to Peter King-like meathead concepts. So these things are important to me.
I am not seeing that YPA is useless because of different offenses. A successful QB throwing short passes is going to have a good YPA even if his YPR is lower. An unsuccessful QB throwing bombs will have a bad YPA even if his YPR is 50 yards. Good QBs tend to have good YPA regardless of system. Bad ones… well…
Well, you can certainly say it’s always beneficial to have good stats rather than bad stats, It’s just that they don’t really mean anything in football without a ridiculous amount of context.
Good is good, bad is bad… got it.
Not always. For example, Fletcher Cox is a bad, bad man.
I mean… yeah, basically. It’s more art than science at this point. Attempting to project anything from those stats is just going to be semi-educated guessing. That’s why there are so many blowhards out there making a living drawing such wildly different conclusions. If it were “figured out” like baseball has been, there would be a right answer to all of this.
I would think more in the lines of, when we run this run play on first down: this pass play has this % effectiveness; this run play has this % effectiveness, etc. etc., on 2nd down. Still might not be useful, but something to mull over.
They are generating all that stuff from film work.
Splits are something to look over to suss out trends but then you’re getting into really small sample sizes.
For example the Eagles had a better conversion percentage on runs on 3rd < 5 than the three top rushing teams in the league. (But it was something like 38 attempts). Split that down even further into something that's more useful for a staff like how about 3rd down runs on <5 to go against 43 vs 34? Now you're into silly small numbers.
Yeah, the small sample sizes are a real problem for this kind of analysis. But what about analyzing individual player effectiveness? Like you say, everything would need to be coded from film work, and we’d have to get serious about calculating, say, inter-rater reliability (which tells us whether multiple raters see the same thing).
But I’d imagine it could help for making smarter drafting and free agency decisions (I’m not saying analytics should be close to the only data point).
The variables that matter would be different by position and scheme, but I could imagine a team getting into this. I mean, interns aren’t that hard to find…
Yea there are areas around the fringes where it’s got some practical application and as always analytics are meant to augment not replace classical scouting. Brent has done a bunch of interesting stuff like that at Eagles Rewind.
Yeah, most of these stats fail a simple HS scientific method evaluation. “How many variables have you controlled for? 1? out of an unknown number? … Yeah, I’m gonna need you to head back to the lab and design something better…” Putting numbers on such sloppy designs is using statistics to improperly imply objectivity and accuracy where none exists.
Baseball works better than most others because in most situations, the primary influence on success is individual. Yes, having other great batters in the lineup helps BA, and yes, great fielding helps ERA, but by and large, the contest is one on one. Therefore, with the larger sample sizes in baseball, the design comes close to controlling a majority of the largest variables. Noone claims they’re perfect, but they’re not horribly flawed. But even then, you have caveats built in for guys who play for the Rockies or the Mets, because their numbers are going to be skewed for well-recognized reasons that can’t be quantitated.
Football gets the double whammy of being a predominantly team sport (very few QBs are good enough to overcome playing behind a porous line or having absolutely no run game or having receivers drop lots of passes, or god forbid all three, and this isn’t even touching scheme, playcalling and luck) where individual battles play a large, but probably less than majority role, combined with extremely small sample sizes. There are so many uncontrolled variables that it really just is the cowboy sharp shooter fallacy for most of these numbers that get touted. A rigorous examination of the methodology shows that – shocker, I know – offenses that function well produce good numbers. Trying to dig deeper than that – using only the numbers to try to figure out what’s causing an offense to not function well – is an exercise in drawing circles around random collections of data due to all the uncontrolled variables. You have to resort to some qualitative assessments (and their inherent subjective inadequacies) to make a rational decision on where the problem(s) lay.
I agree with some of your points, but good players, especially QBs, tend to put up good numbers. Perhaps Foles ’13 was an anomaly due to his situation and 2016 is the norm, but if so, it would be maybe the only time this occurred to this extent. Of course, this is possible, but not likely and all the data is not yet in.
Maybe Bradford is an elite quarterback who has not been allowed to shine because of awful circumstances, but he has not put up the numbers to back up that rather common belief. Trying to find other QBs in the history of the league who have had the type of career hopeful fans hope he will have is difficult.
It is dumb to take some stat, no matter how good, and base an entire belief system on it, but to flat-out ignore data that has shown to have some validity, simply because it’s not perfect is hard to defend.
I don’t flat-out ignore them, the better stats are useful as checks on the subjectivity involved in the eye-test (YPA is definitely useful in this context, and I have some affinity for the “air yards” stat). But I think that (a well-trained) eye test is superior to any of the numbers. In the end, the problem is that the numbers used in these stats tend to imply things that aren’t true about the experimental design, and I probably over-react to what I perceive as misuse.
Analytics in the NBA has improved far beyond TS%, beyond PER, VORP, WS, RAPM, even.
The Sports Vu camera data that is being crunched is pretty remarkable.
I think there is a role for this type of “analytics” in the NFL.
Acceleration, angles, speed, etc. during game situations will all eventually be measurable and then must be analyzed.
Apparently, neither is Rube’s personal favorite: Sean McDermott.
clearly to me looking for an offensive hc.
They always are.
agree. seems to be Lurie’s m.o.
PTSD from Rhodes? Or looking to find the next Big Red?
next big red which is probably why he’s so high on adam gase, but i think that might be short sighted.
This seems appropriate.
Austin seems to be only defensive hc
works for me on both accounts
McDermott interviewing for the Browns on Thursday.
that’s more like it
uh-oh Giants want ot interview gase. If i’m gase that might be a hard job to turn down
why? the giants suck
As much as it pains me to say it but the Giants job is the peak of NFL coaching jobs. Kinda like Alabama is for CFB.
Talent level there right now is pretty bad though.
You’ve got ODB, and you’ve got Eli whose nearing the twilight. Defense lacks talent all over the place. OL is average on a good day. Cruz is done, Randle is an FA.
Yeah I definitely agree talent wise between the rosters but if all things were equal I would say it is a touch higher on the prestige meter.
Like how Peanut Butter M&Ms are better than Reese’s pieces?
As is my feelings of Chipotle over Qdoba.
are they? I dont know, Ive always loved reeses pieces and dont think much of all the m&m expansion attempts. Peanut M&Ms is all one needs.
I like peanut butter and chocolate together… and they give it to me in smaller bites so I don’t devour the whole thing overly fast… lol
nah you’re missing the point. The Giants SUCK.
The Eagles really are not far behind in that area.
I was once reading through a Cowboys forum (don’t ask) and there were several dismissive comments about how the Eagles are a loser franchise. That stung!
Giants: Bad O line and Defense
Eagles; Bad O line and Defense
Giants better skill players at WR
Eagles better Rbs
Depends which Eli he gets each week as to the QB position and the idea of the Eagles D being better in another scheme.
Eagles defense has a lot more talent than the Giants does. Eagles are #17 in DVOA; Giants #30. They will be harder to fix.
They do have a more settled QB situation, for better or worse. Probably a better front office situation, if you still trust Reese. Media market might be even worse than Philly but neither is attractive for a coach.
Overall, just because of situation, I’d probably say the Giants are a better situation overall, even though a worse team with more holes to fix — I think they have a good cap situation. Eagles are close. Not sure most of the others are all that desirable… maybe Titans due to QB situation.
Only need to look at total points allowed per team D, its a nice list of the playoff teams at the top:
Sea
Cinci
KC
Den
Minny
Car
Ari
28. Phi
Again, the Eagles defense (by design) was on the field a lot more than other teams — generally about two games worth more than average. That means, if you use per-game counting stats, they will be towards the bottom. Of course, the offense didn’t live up to their end of that by-design bargain, thus the losing record. But if you are trying to measure talent, the per-game status are not at all good indicators to compare against. Use per-play or per-drive. DVOA is effectively per-play. I’m not sure the Giants have a Fletcher Cox, for example, and their secondary is a lot like ours was last year.
wrong pete. the Giants are awful and the fans suck, the stadium is the worst, everything about them is bottom of the barrel because they suck so bad. its impossible to watch them if they are not playing the eagles. the colors, the players, its all the worst in the NFL
now youre talking, I can get behind that
Eagles have a LOT more talented players on defense. And even with a bad o-line, they have at least 1 1/2 good players on their line.
Giants have ODB. They also have Eli, but you have to wonder for a new coach how many years he has left. Certainly not enough to handle the rebuilding of the defense that’s necessary.
If a team had the players on defense that the Eagles have, plus a QB like Eli, THAT would be the team to go for as a coach. You can turn an underperforming defense around with good coaching, and a good QB goes a long way. You wouldn’t have nearly as much to rebuild.
As it is now, the best thing the Giants have going for them is stable ownership. The combination of an empty cupboard on defense (and most of the offense), along with an aging Eli, isn’t conducive to either rebuilding or “win now”.
Who is the 1/2 olineman? I love this!
Also, it’s an indictment of the Giant’s defense that they couldn’t even slow down a Chipless Chip offense to end the season.
ya its a mixed bag for sure. Id also take the young promising D esp if youre an offense guy coming in as first time head coach. That D can keep you in games if you have faith in the offense producing. Of course that is where QB is so crucial.
I like a lot of what Gase has done but I do worry those Bears teams scored in junk time or vs bad teams. I like what he got out of his RBs though, Forte and backup had outstanding year as did CJ on Denver the prior year.
Give a coach a quality QB, and most would gladly build the rest
But you’re gonna have to find another nearly blind 60+ yr old coach who can ignore sad Eli face.
Looked like a nod and acknowledgment were thrown in there as he got to the bottom step. Probably awkward for Coughlin, seeing as this is his first getting fired from the Giants presser.
Looked like Mara looking for a handshake.
Definitely went for the handshake quick switch to oh I was just putting my hand in my pocket move. Classic.
Boss just walked into my office and said Adam Gase? More like another Headcase and then said lets get Gruden, then walked out.
“My boss is a fucking moron”
The forthcoming book by Nailed It!
Haha, he thought he was so clever with the head case line.
More like Adam Gayse, AMIRITE?!
I’m packing all these jokes in my suitgase.
Get out.
Are you seriously Gasing me out the door?
I’m not sure what’s more disturbing: these horrible puns, or the fact that ATG hasn’t joined in.
I don’t want people gaseting their time on a blog without puns.
On a more real note though… to echo ACVike thanks for all the insight you’re willing to share on here. Makes the comments section a great read.
Should have responded
“You want Gruden? More like Booden! Yea that’s right fuck you and you’re wanting media members who have become caricatures of themselves as a HC”
But the team would have unlimited Beer and Wing nights at Hooters, you just can’t generate that kinda camaraderie on the practice field.
Newsflash: Everyone wants Gase for HC, except of course those who don’t.
Instead of having to settle on Adam Gase, we should bring in Gase AND Hue Jackson as co-head coaches
Now THAT is next level coaching theory. Why have one man do the job of one man when we could have two do the job of one man.
more power struggle, more power.
You know… after lots of soul searching, very little actual research or fact checking, I have decided I am in the Hue Jackson camp.
i’m ok with the thought of yelling HUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEE when the team does well
But will you be ok with Kempski going Hue Hue on twitter when there is a gaffe?
oh god no. i didn’t think that far ahead. i’m off the Hue bus.
Huuuueve got to be kidding!
Can they do rock paper scissors to find out who gets to toss the dart at the draft board?
And let them each pick their own QB. They can take turns each half. Or even each possession. And just to totally confuse the defense they can randomly send Gase’s QB in with Hue and vice versa. 😀
shoot how bout Teryl Austin AND Adam Gase. That was Austins plan last year with the Falcons
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12171061/teryl-austin-pitch-atlanta-falcons-hire-adam-gase-too
At this point, I’m almost more interested in who the “weak side” guy is going to be. There’s a lot of information (but still never near enough) about the names everyone wants as HC, and I personally feel like I’m circling the drain on that discussion at this point. I want to look at who their biggest staff hires (a) should be, and (b) would likely be. For example, I’d love to see a stud DC hired as head coach with Shurmur staying as OC (as long as Bradford’s still in the plans). Similarly, if they go with Gase, or Payton, or some other offensive wunderkind, I’d love to see a veteran DC brought in with the Reid/Johnson dynamic in use.
Who are the guys that should be at the top of the list? And who are the guys that some of the top suspects are likely to look at? I’m guessing the two lists are not identical.
and any new staff usually brings younger names up from the ranks that all the fans can get mad about because they are unknowns. Andy did some of that
I’m very curious about this as well. Probably a good starting point it to use the same logic Andy did. He was always impressed with how Jim Johnson’s defenses did against the Packers (when Johnson was with Seattle). So, for each candidate who has had success, who are their nemeses (plural of nemesis?)? Who really got to Sean Payton’s offenses? Adam Gase’s? etc. Might be worth a discussion.
“He [Andy Reid] was always impressed with how Jim Johnson’s defenses did against the Packers (when Johnson was with Seattle)”
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This story is a fairy tale.
Johnson was on Seattle’s staff only in 1998 — and GB didn’t play Seattle that year.
The *only* time a defense coached by JJ, as DC or an assistant, played a GB team on which Reid was an assistant was in 1997.
The 0-10 Colts hosted the 8-2 SB-bound Packers. Colts won 41-38 on a last second FG. JJ was the Colts’ DC.
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Reid was a great story teller. This was maybe his best.
Damn. Next you’re going to tell me that the Easter Bunny isn’t real, either.
Don’t worry. If this crazy weather keeps up, we’ll be throwing snowballs at the Easter Bunny.
Wish we had some snowballs to throw at Murray while he was riding that pine pony this year.
You may take our money, You may take our dignity as fans, You may take the seat next to the owner on the flight back from a game the team won in which you contributed nothing… wait where was I going with this?
You were going to continue making more valid points about how much Murray sucks.
I think it’s a great story that Reid told to short-cut his point that JJ’s schemes with the Colts did exactly the things that frustrated WCOs.
But rather than use stats, Reid used familiarity as a surrogate.
Great story that still resonates.
Classic case of the “composite character”, eh.
MKSP:
That’s an excellent use of literary license.
Re: The Maclin Domino
What if Kelly had called Maclin on the 7th green while matching KC’s offer? Or done whatever else it is that would have kept Maclin in Philadelphia? (I know, Kelly wasn’t the GM. He even said so in his last PC. But stick with me anyway.)
So in Rd 1 of the 2015 draft, the Eagles could have taken DB Byron Jones. He had a pretty good season for the Cowboys, at least from afar.
In Rd 2, the Eagles could have done exactly what they did: Draft Eric Rowe as a CB-S. Rowe, like Jones, had a nice rookie season.
What a difference the D-backfield would look like now.
If only . . . .
(I know. If only a FG here or there and Kelly’s coaching a home playoff game.)
Even in regards to the FG- he mismanaged the kicker position. First by bringing Murderleg as the only competition to Alex Henery but they were fortunate enough that Cody Parkey fell in their laps after cuts. Then completely underestimating Parkey’s injury (which effected the falcons) game then bringing what in many people opinion was the one of the worst available FA options in Sturgis.
I wonder how much of that was Kelly. And how much was Fipp.
The murder-leg mishap was Fipp, I’d bet. Scouting error.
But under-estimating Parkey’s injury? That’s all Kelly — no matter how many trainers or doctors he wants to blame. My argument, at least.
If he had more personal contact with the players he would have known the severity of the groin injury?
players want to play. Kelly should also get credit for Strugis who after blowing the season was pretty good down the stretch.
Kelly and Fipp, both get the credit. And the blame.
But Sturgis made himself some money this year.
Maybe the last time he had personal contact with a kicker’s groin caused him to become reticent to do it again.
After a bit of reflection, I have decided that this was in fact my best joke today. So many layers to peel back.
Bmax had already happened? 2 rookie WRs? Agree would have been better allocation of $$, but what’s easier 1st year secondary or 1st year WRs. Most people here will say “can’t trust young secondary” while lots of first year WRs have competed.
I’d thought about the Max signing.
Shouldn’t change the draft, though.
Maxwell’s deal’s essentially a 2-year contract.
And with Carroll and Thurmond, both Rowe and Jones would have been on the bench — at least in theory — most of 2015.
Then in 2016, Carroll and Thurmond are gone. Young guys step in.
Kind of like Shelly, Lito, and Lewis.
Or the Eagles could have drafted a slew of O-linemen . . .
I don’t think they double-down on CB in 1-2.
Maybe Dupree or one of the two OTs that went later. I wish they went OT.
Probably right.
But once upon a time, the Eagles drafted 3 DBs in the first 2 rounds. Worked out okay.
I think the plan was to get those late round guys that they wound up taking. Take one DB early and then spend picks late. Makes sense.
So the Eagles could an O-lineman in the middle?
Oops. I mean not an O-lineman.
You would hope so, but the way they’ve neglected OL since picking Johnson there’s no evidence to suggest they’d spend mid-to-late draft resources there.
situation so dire. I think Kelly actually had us set up pretty well, i think they liked mid-round OL, i think there’s probably some analytic behind that, and we’re set i think to take couple o-line.
Think i read somewhere that Bud Dupree was one of the worst rated players this year.
Then they definitely would have picked him.
4 sacks as a rotational player this year
Even with the loss of Maclin, I was still dumbfounded when the pick wasn’t DB Byron Jones. And that may have been a factor in the firing of Chip Kelly.
Seemed like the draft was lining up for that pick.
I think B. Jones and Rowe will be a wash, Rowe looked very good at corner down the stretch. Ags, when he can catch the ball, looks explosive. I gotta thing being roommates w/ J. Matt and knowing how hard he works, will benefit him in his second year. So will hopefiully working with Sam and Coach Shurmur in offseason 🙂
Yeah, I think Rowe looked really good (except the lowlights I’ve seen against Detroit).
Jones is going to suck because he’s a Cowboy and will suck.
Yeah, not so much that I don’t like Ags as it is that I really wanted Jones and that Chip violated his own principle about measurables to acquire Ags over Jones.
Look at all the cowboys we’ve acquired, Felix Jones, Miles Austin, Demarco, all terrible. Can’t see jones working out here.
His explosive athletic ability is what had me hooked. Now that he’s a cowgirl I hope the coaches train him in all the wrong techniques and his career sucks.
i just didn’t think ags did any one thing amazingly. it was more like “yeah he’s polished but needs time, he has a bit of speed but isn’t a burner, he’s strong but not exceptionally physical . . . ” basically i took it as him being adequate in all fields but dominant in none, and that’s not gonna cut it for a rd 1 wideout
How far do you think Ags drops? I looked at Ags as a Maclin clone so, for me, it was easy to understand the logic.
he started out the draft process being slotted as an early-mid 2nd rounder, but then through the combine/workouts was proclaimed as someone who was rising up through the draft and was more late first-early second prospect
Like Mac i wanted Byron Jones when our selection came, but i wasn’t mad at the Agholor pick…..it was a favorable pick among draft experts and TV people for what it’s worth…..i still have a lot of faith in Agholor and see him as a Emmanuel Sanders-Terry Glenn type….not a true knock down #1 receiver but a guy who is a dangerous weapon and can make a big play
Ags went higher than initial analysis, for whatever that’s worth.
I agree, maclin is awesome we should have done what it took, but we would have had to go over our number, I’m guessing, since AR really needed and wanted him too.
I assumed that whatever we offered they would beat. KC was desperate for WR’s and Reid and Maclin are buddies, plus the hometown KC thing…
There is no question Bradford would have been better off with Mac in the attack. Alex Smith knows.
Eh, knowing what we know about kelly he probably told Mac to kick rocks.
he was like Jeremy who? tell him I’ll call back.
I’ve thought about that many times. Think that was probably the worse part of the offseason. We likely wouldn’t draft Agholor, and we wouldn’t sign Murray but probably stick with Polk or maybe someone else.
I hadn’t thought of who we might draft, though I was seriously hoping it would have been offensive line. Cedric Ogbuehi (who had a torn ACL before draft and made it back for the last six games, five active) and D. J. Humphries (looks like he was inactive all year) were both drafted right after Agholor, so it presumably would have been one of those.
At least we aren’t stuck with Frank Gore today, that may even be worse than murray
I think the 2014 draft class inflated Kelly’s sense of what could be reasonably expected of rookie wide receivers. Moreover, the sheer volume of immediate impact receivers in 2014 convinced him that paying top dollar for a Jeremy Maclin was an inefficient use of resources.
he clearly got out of his depth on the HR side. Takes it over and hires a young guy to be personnel head.
what if he just cuts Cooper? then he doesn’t rely on Cooper when somehow thinking he can watch Jackson and then Maclin leave (though debatable whether Cooper entered into that equation), and maybe he keeps his team together? Nah, I think this had little to do with things overall.
Should anyone be considering V. Fangio for HC w/ shurmur riding shotgun? Interesting we haven’t heard his name at all.
I know, I wondered that when it first started. Hes kind of being ignored it seems but still time.
Holy crap… If you haven’t seen the “Making a Murderer” documentary on the Stevan Avery story, it’s a must see… If you have seen it, im sure you are now as mindfucked as I am… What an insane story, scary to think this could happen in modern day America
yeah it’s crazy ACV and i discussed last week. Must See TV.
I just started it, Im trying not to read headlines, even your post lol
Uhh sorry. I didn’t see this post, you should minimize the above comments and not read them, hate to spoil it for u
is it anything like the “The Jinx” about Robert Durst that was on HBO?
Similar in that it’s true crime, but better
Yes this was better, a more mind blowing story and it includes corruption that wasn’t an aspect of Jinx.. However, Jinx was better in regards to having closure for the story, with the filmmakers getting Durst incriminating himself at the end, where as making the murderer lacks closure in the story..
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So making a murderer is just as well done as jinx, a crazier story than Jinx, but there was closure to the Jimx story that lacks in making a murderer which is why all the petitions are circling and everyone making noise about the Avery case..
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FREIGHTENING that our government is capable of something so crazy against our own citizens in Modern “U.S of A”.(sorry I watched Borat before bed last night lol)
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I also like the Lance Armstrong liar SCANDEL documentary
Yes, very similar…if you liked the Jimx, you will like this.. Basically everyone I talk to about This says somethng like “I watched the first two episodes, got hooked, and watched the last 8 episodes the next day”… Enjoy, mind blowing!
yeah its awesome. modern day America with inbreds.
As corrupt and shitty as that police department is….. Steven Avery is guilty. They left out quite a bit of evidence from the documentary.
Think the cousin/nephew rightly gets more sympathy. But i think the process is what creates reasonable doubt for me.
like what? murder weapon? witness? blood on the matress? in the room?
http://time.com/4167699/netflix-making-a-murderer-evidence-left-out/
Agree — based on the PC they gave he should have gotten off b/c they didn’t have any evidence of the types of crimes the insinuated.
That press Confrence was the craziest farce ever.. The prosecutor laid out the most gruesome crime ever committed, yet it was all coerced, fed to slow boy, and there was no evidence to prove any of it, other than evidejce that was clearly planted from police who didn’t realize that they weren’t very clever because the defense Lawyers saw thru all the frames bullshit and destroyed every piece of evidence in court
Murder weapon – they had the bullet with teresa’s DNA on it, fired from the .22 that Avery owned.
They also found perspiration DNA of Avery’s under the hood latch, and only looked there after Dassey’s confession mentioned Avery opening the hood to disconnect the battery.
Steven Avery also has a history of rape and violence towards women. He did it dude.
I can believe it either way. I didn’t know about the history towards women.
or the DNA sweat.
so then the kids confession was maybe true? boy was that kid something!
Yea that confession was trash. And honestly, when the documentary was over I was sad Avery was convicted. Then I did some research and realized that the documentary, while very well done, is pretty biased.
if the sweat dna was found after dassey confession then wasn’t the confession true? IDK?
Looked like they fed Brenden a lot of that info in the confession, not sure how you can take much from it. Even if he did it the process was so foul that you can’t convict him.
domestic violence doesn’t mean he’d straight murder someone. (1) a ton of people lived on the avery compound, b/c evidence was found at the scene doesn’t mean that it was put there by steve avery, (2) DNA sweat could have been incidental contact with the car.
To me the fact that they had control of the crime scene for days – looks like they planted the key – it’s unclear to me what evidence found there was legit.
They didn’t investigate the brother, or her roommate, or any of the avery people. If we’re living by a reasonable doubt standard i don’t think they met that burden of proof.
so much BS. and they did have motive to convict him because of that settlement
yeah looking back on that lawsuit probably not the best idea – should have been happy with the $450. But i think the scary part is that if they want you they can probably get you (unless you have the $ to fight).
They 100% planted the key. THEY SEARCHED THE room 10 times, and the cops that weremt supposed to be there, waited TIL the one day there wasn’t someone from anothet Precinct monitoring their crooked ass, and all of the sudden the 10th time they searched the house, the key was right on the floor in plain view? Not even clever lol..
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And the Victim had the key for years, yet they didn’t find a spec of her DNA on the key, but they found Averys? Lol basically the morons scrubbed the key clean, placed his DNA on it from the evidence kit that had the broken seal… But they aremt too bright because they failed to realize that they should have also found her DNA on the key if it wasn’t planted
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I don’t think he did it…. They couldn’t even explain how the cop called in the license plate and make of the car, before anyyhing had been discovered… The Car was planted on his property. The key was planted on his property, the blood was planted in the car, yet there was no blood where they Said the gruesome murder scene took place, and Dirty steve Avery can barely Clean his own ass, let alone clean up a murder scene of all trace evidence..
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And the icing on the cake was that they found the girls Blood/DNA in the trunk, which means someone killed her somewhere else, put her in the back of her car, and drove to plant the car on his property… If Steve Avery killed her on his property, there would have been No REASON to put her body in the trunk of her car…
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Steve Avery is not a clever man. You would NEVER have to frame that idiot if there was a gruesome murder scene on his property, it would be easy to find evidence today, he is no mastermind….. The fact that they went to all these extreme extent to frame HIm. To me says he didn’t do it
I will say that if I ever faced serious charges, I would want Avery’s two defense Lawyers. those dudes were sharp..
No way was that confession true,. That went beyond a coerced confession, that kid was guessing and they kept Letting Him guess and give differemt answers until he said something they liked, not to mention how blatantky the police schemed to interrogate the half retarded kid without his parents knowing and without his lawyer present and the biggest disgrace is the poor kids defense lawyer was in on it. He blatantly was helping the prosecution more than the kid he was supposed to defend
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I feel bad for Brendan. I don’t think that kid would hurt a fly
With all the shit they planted, would you be that surprise if they planted the bullet evidence for his gun? After all they, went to the extreme to not only plant the car key, but scrub it so well, and plant averys DNA on it, but the idiots scrubbed it of all of the victims DNA which shows it was probably doctored/planted
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And how the hell did the cops basically know about so damn fast?
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I don’t know what to believe in terms of who killed that woman, especially since the police wasn’t even interested in investigating anyone but Avery
http://convolutedbrian.com.s3.amazonaws.com/dassey/01Mar2006/01Mar2006Transcript.pdf
page 78
FASSBENDER: That’s not what I’m thinkin’ about. He did something to that car. He took the plates and he, I believe he did something else in that car. (pause).
BRENDAN: I don’t know.
FASSBENDER:OK. Did he, did he, did he go and look at the engine, did he raise the hood at all or anything like that? To do something to that car?
BRENDAN: Yeah.
FASSBENDER: What was that? (pause)
WEIGERT: What did he do, Brendan?
WEIGERT: It’s OK, what did he do?
FASSBENDER: What did he do under the hood, if what’s what he did? (pause)
BRENDAN: I don’t know what he did, but I know he went under.
FASSBENDER: He did raise the hood? (Brendan nods “yes”) You remember that?
BRENDAN: Yeah.
They go on to ask him about license plates, and do not mention the battery. Not sure if there is another place where the battery is mentioned. But Brendan was led to say anything about opening the hood.
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Doesn’t really matter if a guy is guilty or not, if Cops behave like criminals, he should be acquitted… It sucks if a guilty man is freed, but that’s on the scumbag police department.
The girls ex boyfriend creeped me out. Often Killers interject themselves into an investigations to be close to it, and he seemed a little too helpful for an ex boyfriend, plus I got a weird creepy vibe from when he was on the stand… They also knew WHERE to find that car, no way they discovered it so quickily
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I aLso wondered about Brendan’s older brother and Father… They both seemed really creepy and claimed they were both around at the time of the murder, and blaming it on Steve doesn’t take a genius to know Thats a good idea..
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And if 5 years from now we find out that police officers Lenk and the other scumbag killed the girl themselves to frame Avery, that wouldn’t surprise me either. 36 million dollars is a lot of money, not to mention all the Embarressment they were subjected to from Steve Avery becoming a Wisconsin celebrity when released for a crime he didn’t commit.
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So many scumbags involved…
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1) Disgusting Prosecutor sexting woman who were abuse victims
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2) How is Brendan’s first Lawyer still allowed to practice Law when he was basically working for the prosecution instead of defending his half mentally retarded 16yr old client?
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3) all the evidence was tampered with, all the evidence that was planted by the cops
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I dont know if Avery is guilty or not, but I find it far more disturbing how people of power have behaved in that state.
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My buddy’s friend is a Wisconsin Supreme Court judge, curious to hear his thoughts on this mess
trial judge hearing the appeals seems like a conflict of interest to me.
Oh my god, I forgot about the judge, he was a disgrace too. No matter what the defense was going to present, they weremt going to get anywhere with that Judge
http://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by-state/
Happens all the time.
For an even worse story, watch the Paradise Lost series that started in the mid-90s.
For the Hugh Jackson fans, I saw a report that 3 teams reaches out for interviews, but the Eagles were not one of the teams named..
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McDermott begging for interview on the radio, no scheduled interview for Hugh Jackson, Rooney Rule requirments met immediately, is Lurie Trying to pounce on Gase or some other candidate immediately?
I think its more Lurie doing his due diligence. They have interviews set up with a slew of names like Teryl Autsin, Dirk Koetter, and Bob McAdoo. Hopefully the Eagles do their homework and get the right guy. Still pretty upsetting to hear that Hue isn’t on the interview list yet.
Kelly was hired on January 16th, last time, 17 days after Reid was fired. They were linked to a ton of other namesThis search might be slightly longer, but I wouldn’t count on it going much past next week.
I read somewhere that Lurie had done some homework starting last year with possible replacements. I think it’s likely they have their number 1 target already identified, and the “due diligence” is more about what to do if they don’t get #1. I think they want this resolved quickly, if at all possible (and that probably weighs against guys on playoff favorites, so long as they aren’t head and shoulders above their competitors). Need to get everyone on the same page and up to speed on organizational goals and philosophies before the off-season starts in earnest.
Why aren’t we seeing helicopter aerial coverage of Adam Gase walking into Lurie’s house yet??????
i heard he was doing situps in his driveway . . .
man i remember watching that in college TO was great.
shoulda paid his ass
so agree.
if they had a webcam of the interviews but no sound I would still watch.
Damn Philly media stalkers, what are they, on vacation now?
Eagles twitter has nothing about Gase coming – is that weird? Has a couple of posts on Shurmur
Steve Babich (Jags DC) was fired today, spent a long time under Lovie Smith and RiverBoat ron as a linebackers coach (2 failed stints as an DC)
Chip’s next DC
Does this mean Case is hired, I really don’t understand my takeaway. I like some movies too.
I think it’s in response to the Browns hiring Paul Deposta – Former Analytics expert and VP of player development for the Mets. To be their new chief strategy officer
oh I get it now. Boy that sailed over my head.
with a lawyer holding power over talent evaluation and coaches. Cleveland.
do you guys use Hulu? we just got an Apple TV (signed up for NetFlix which we had and now Hulu) and I’m going to drop Comcast cable maybe entirely unless they have a basic package for $10. It’s awesome. Last night I found that the whole Highlander TV series is on Hulu. There is a sh#tload of TV shows.
I did that back befor Hulu plus. So Hulu was all free. Money was tight just after college and I never watched TV (or so I thought). The only reason I ever went back was for live sports. Of course it’s a lot easier now than it was then to get live sports, but it’s still a hassle and quality is important for me. Also didn’t realize how much I would miss sitting down and channel surfing.
Long of the short, it’s not bad.
I’m just mad at my cable bill each month. I watch a ton less sports than years ago.
Believe it or not you can by a little antenna for your tv and get better channels than the 10 dollar Comcast package. Drop them, you won’t regret it.
Reminds me I need to cancel the “free” movie channels from directtv lol
We cut the cable cord 2 years ago and never looked back. We have Hulu, Netflix, and an hd antenna. I have enough trouble keeping up with streaming shows. I do have access to hbogo though…
It’s also made me a ton more selective about what I spend time watching, which is only a good thing.
Tons of good TV on Hulu, Netflix, Amazon.
I can’t watch TV, it’s too addictive. Few years back, my parents sent me these K-dramas on DVD. (these are silly Korean soap operas with poor production values, totally cheap emotionally, but nastily addictive). We would sometimes watch 3, 4, 5 a night. Even worse that the stuff out nowadays is so damned good. No… I can’t do it. I’ll watch the odd movie, surf the ‘net a bit too much, but regular TV is too much.
I’ve had cable and satellite, prime channels, Sunday Ticket, Center Ice, and I decided 5 years ago to pull the plug on all of it. With the arrival of digital and HD TV, the reception and picture resolution is better off the antenna, than any subscription service. I have since picked up Netflix, but that is the ONLY service i pay for. I am more than willing to buy the DVD’s of programs and movies that I want to see, but Netflix has made that unnecessary in many cases. Subscription TV is a huge rip-off.
right I am thinking get an antenna for the free channels (which will give me some live sports), then my apple TV. Is there a certain antenna, or I just need to google it and get one.
canceling Comcast cable has been a dream of mine for years.
google and get one. I think you can also get ESPN or something like that (might have to pay).
I actually think type is less important that geography. For me the HD stations are concentrated on one tower about 12 miles from my house, and I have an old outdoor antenna in my attic. I get some days where a couple stations are glitchy or digitizing, but for most part, I’m not motivated to try to improve it. If you have an indoor antenna it may be sufficient. If you have nothing yet, I would get an outdoor antenna and try to mount it on the roof, if you are permitted to do that in your neighborhood. You will forget why you ever paid for 70 channels you never watched.
http://antennaweb.org/
Click the “Click Here to Start” button”
“AntennaWeb.org will help you discover the correct antenna type for your location and viewing preferences.”
Before I moved (no longer have over-the-air TV reception) I used an antennae with Windows Media Center and a used Xbox 360 to use as a Media Center Extender (because my computer is not near the TV). Windows Media Center has a channel guide and can record games like Tivo, time shift, skip 30 second feature, etc. Worked awesome.
I have Verizon FiOS and I scaled back my TV package and got Hulu. I found out that I couldn’t get some channels on Hulu if I didn’t subscribe to them through my TV package. I guess they know since I’m using Verizon internet to get Hulu. ..
Anyway .. that part was a bummer, but I enjoy Hulu overall.
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i liked the book better…..also funny how they focused on the positional players but hardly mentioned the dominant pitching rotation
Here are two facts that concern me less about the Eagles HC hire, than the state of the Eagles FO: 1) NFL head coaches have an extremely demanding workload. From depth chart to practice schedule to in-fighting, to injuries to holdouts to head cases, to familial strains to PR etiquette, the plate is always overflowing. 2) History suggests that a wide majority of head coaches are no better at choosing the best players than the GM’s they challenge and lobby for more control.
Jeff Lurie has been a better than average recruiter of head coaches in his relatively short time as Eagles owner. He also has historically placed considerably less emphasis on the state of the player personnel department in his franchise than hiring a HC. His approach has been to find a guy that checks the boxes and extend to him leverage in executive roles when Lurie deems it appropriate. I would cite our last two HC’s as examples that demonstrate how that approach is fraught with limitations and impediments. I would prefer that Lurie took as painstaking an approach to hiring proven talent evaluators as he takes toward landing a head coach. If that entails a rat-tat-tat string of multiple hirings and firings, so be it. It seems to me that Lurie is determined to have a winner on the field while striving for stability (as opposed to excellence) in his FO. Great evaluators may be rarer than great coaches, but for the Eagles it seems like the zeal for winning is manifest by concentrating on the latter.
It’s not easy to evaluate a talent evaluator. Takes as much time as evaluating coaches.
why no Greg Roman? he is a Jersey guy I believe.
I thought he’d be in the mix too. He helped turn around Alex Smith, got the most out of Kaepernick. Now he’s doing good work with Taylor.
Mobility connects all those guys, if we had Vick or Sanchez i’d be more inclined but bradford is a statue.
True, but Bradford isn’t a done deal. But I was thinking more along the lines of drafting someone for him to groom. Admittedly, I’m not much of college FB guy so I don’t know what mobile QBs are out there until I start reading scouting reports.
me neither, it’s also hard for me to believe that you’d find the quality passer that you had in sammy b. Sucks was behind the no-o-line and crappy WRs.
Unfortunately, developing QBs doesn’t necessarily qualify someone as a Head Coach.
With chip gone, the last thing I want in this city is a mobile QB..
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Mobility should only be considered a bonus. It should be irrelevant when judging pro QBs…
Mobility is a defense breaker in man coverage and pass rush. How many bootlegs can russell wilson run?
Doesmt matter.. QB brain, and accuracy is so much more important, that mobility should be considered nothing more than a bonus when evaluating QBs.
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What good is man beater mobility if your QB has the football Intelligence of Eliot Shorr Parks? You basically have Colin Kapernick.
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What good is man beater mobility if you aren’t an accurate enough passer? You become another Tebow..
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QB brain, passing talent/accuracy is so damn important, that you can’t replace these skills with mobility, thus mobility should only be considered a Bonus… And for every Russell Wilson or Steve Young, there are 10 QBs who got themselves killed at this level because they sucked at passing and were forced To run too much..
Alex Smith mobility?
He’s one of the more athletic qbs in the league..
He’s probably happiest and best staying as the offensive Coordinator. He gets money. praise and glory with none of the HC headaches.
I’m not so sure about the love for Andy Reid. He was in Philly for 14 years, went to 1 Super Bowl and lost it. Do playoff games count for much if they do not lead to the ultimate win? He had great players, a great D coordinator, some very good assistants, a cooperative owner, a decent quarterback, players say he was like Big Daddy, yet…where’s the ring? Or two?
Yet he’s the best coach we ever had.
And he fucked with the only reciever HE ever had
gotta at least be in the dance to get the rings. He did that often and assembled a great staff and the right players for a long while there. Thats no easy feat in this league. 2004 was ours goddam… they stole the playbook or filmed the practice lol
They very weekend that spy gate came out the Eagles were shileding thleri calls! Behknd towels !! They weren’t playing Boston ..cant remember whom… but no one has ever noted this.. so it mskes me think other teams were doing that also and belachik just took the fall
After living through many playoff-less years, or losing quickly once you get there…. YES, playoff wins count for a lot.
I’d love to be jaded enough to only root for SBs, but…
we had a lot more happy sundays then unhappy sundays with Reid is all I can say.
Datd bout all we can say unfortunately. Lotta crushed hi hopes
Yes. What is the assertion that he wasn’t a good coach? Are you just going to tell us about chuck moll again?
What. . Did I write this or what.yep and wasnt evrn best st 2nd best.. nowhere near ss hood as marv levy ..
Never, ever understood this type of thinking. It’s way more fun to follow a good team than a bad team, period. He put a lot of good teams out there. Him not picking up a SB or two was just bad luck.
There’s no such thing as luck. There is such a thing as passing. passing. passing when you have a string of excellent running backs. There is such a thing as screwing with timeouts, panicky play calling at times, putting assistant coaches into impossible positions, letting Mornigwheg (sp?) call plays, letting Washburn belittle Castillo to the players, etc. etc.
Some pretty short memories here folks. Andy had some good years, but they were never quite enough and deteriorated into a mess.
Not sure why you say that.
Reid went to one Super Bowl in 13 years, which the Eagles lost.
Bill Cowher, in his first 13 years with Pittsburgh, went to one Super Bowl and lost.
How was Cowher viewed at that point compared to Reid?
The Steelers have a history of keeping coaches for a long time and Cowher did win one eventually. Not sure the situations are comparable. Anyway, my comment was questioning why Andy didn’t win more with the team he had.
“He had great players, a great D coordinator, some very good assistants, a cooperative owner, a decent quarterback, players say he was like Big Daddy”.
Although his constant refrain of ‘we thought we saw something downfield” when passing 60 times a game grew old fast, I personally gave up after Reid brought his 29-year-old drug dealer son to camp, with his drugs. And when he threw Akers, one of the best kickers ever, under the bus while his daughter was so sick, I couldn’t wait for him to be gone. Father figure indeed.
1. They lost that super bowl because pats cheated
2. He just turned a 1-5 team, after an ACL tear to their best player, into a 11-5 team.
The fat of the matter is that Reid is being pumped up lately, yet where are the wins?
I guess it depends on when he was told?
Good article on why keeping Shurmur as HC makes some degree of sense:
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/01/05/why-pat-shurmur-should-not-be-overlooked/
I like Shurmur, even if it’s just a bridge, but I’m almost always wrong about Eagles decisions.
I would disagree that the fanbase wouldn’t like the hire. I think most would be ok with it, I know I would.
I’d like to see Keith Armstrong and Fangio added to the list of coaching candidates.
i think there are some guys on this team who could use a little bit of Keith Armstrong
Sal Pal says that Brian Billick is a “dark horse” for the Eagles’ vacancy. We did interview him in 2013. Billick did say in a media interview a few days ago that the Eagles’ vacancy was the most attractive. Trying to butter up Lurie/Roseman? Personally I don’t think he deserves the hate most Eagles fans give him, but he’s been out of the game too long for my taste.
this is worse than the possible grigson hire
You just made me throw up in my mouth
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Lol a Coach who won a SUPERBOWL, but never was able to get another job because he allegedly is a dickhead who doesn’t work well with Others? Sounds like a Genius hiring to replace a chip who’s personalty half of the people in Novacare hated..
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If the Eagles hire Brian Billick. I Vow to put my eagle fandom on pause until the Billick era is over
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I will support just about any hiring.. I can endure COUGHLIN, I can stomach Cowher… But I have to draw a line in the sand at Billick..
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What a joke.. I mentioned us allegedly liking Billick last time as one of my biggest fears….
Rube is on TV talkng about How he isn’t sure Gase is ready to be a HEADCoach… But “I can’t think of a more qualified candidate than mcDermott”-Rube Franks…. Really? Stop it!
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How the hell can he even be remotely close to qualified enough to make that statement? Sean McDermott is his favorite choice, but Gase isn’t ready?
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NOTHNG annoys me more than blowhard media polluting fans opinions of candidates because the pretends it has even half of the info required to be able to speak on the subject,
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Adam Gase ISNT ready… Good to know Rube, I guess Rube knows better than alll the teams that want to interview Gase…. And I don’t give a crap about defending Gase. I care about blowhard media members that put dumb shit in our fans head… How irresponsible can you be to be on TV giving your opinion of Candidates you are clueless about.
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I swear if I ever come across the producer of CSN. I’m going to beat him into a pulp for all the morons they put on Our local sports section… I assume he is Eliot parks father in law or something. It’s the only way I can make sense of why Eliot is on Comcast
“Sean Peyton is probably too opinionated for the Eagles”-Derrick Gunn.
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What a joke CSN is..
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Only thing missing is Amy Fadool telling us who the best candidate is for this job…
F Reuben Frank
F McDermott
Rube is shilling hard, that’s obvious.
Colts fired DC Greg Manusky.
Someone has to take the blame
That might be the worst defensive roster in football
Gotta scape goat someone for keeping Grigson and Pagano
looks like their firing whole staff, secondary coaches, TE coach, gone
Do we have the cap space to extend Curry, Bradford, Nolan, Thurmond, and then get Cox under contract?
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I don’t even want any free agents, just retain our players, build continuity/culture that chip couldn’t build, and build the rest of the team thru the draft…
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Cut Coops contract
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Paycut for Celek
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Paycut for Meco
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Cut 1 of the 3 RBs.
I don’t think we can really keep Nolan and Thurmond if they get bid up.
Id like to work out an extension with Walt before free agency if possible… And make a a decision on Nolan after the market sets his price tag
Walt wants to be paid…I think hes gone, esp if we sign Bradford
He wants stability, and the way he played the safety position for it being the first time in his life, makes me happy to see the Eagles pay him.. Most of his issues have been health, but made it thru the year fine..
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I just ask that they try to work out a fair extension to retain him, if they can’t work it out and he becomes a FA, so be it..
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But Howie is in charge and that regime Couldnt find a safety to save its life. I hope they think long and hard about all their safety failures before letting Walt get away
Depends on the type of safety the DC wants, I think thurmond was good, some DCs might want someone a little bigger.
That’s true, but when Healthy, Walt is a pretty damn good corner with his freakishly long arms..
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If we can only pay one DB, walt or nolan, I would easily choose walt who we can ask to play Safety, Outside corner and Nickel corner and has experiemce at all 3 spots.. That’s a valuable friggin DB as far as I’m concerned…
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I wouldn’t be upset if we moved Walt to corner, and the new coach wants a Hitter at safety… But the next coach should probabky see value in our two coverage safeties in the modern NFL
If they move to a 43 is there even room for memo?
No matter what scheme, I assume he would be a backup, or someone who rotates in on some first and 2nd downs… Also possible that he might not even be an Eagle Next year
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But there is probably a real chance MECO won’t even be brought back by the next coach, or they could value his leadership during this transition, not to mention see what he looks like next year when he is two years removed from his Achilles surgery… I guess he would backüp Hicks as the Mike, Kendricks would be the WIL, Kiko and MS2’can be the SAM… Unless MS2 keeps bulking up to the point he can play DE?
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Malcolm Jenkins says he very much hopes we stay in a 3-4..
So Meco may not even be an ex Eagle next year.. at a lowrr price and more mobility wud be very cool with that
With hicks i think you can get rid of meco. Performance could be better another year removed from surgery, but he’s also a year older…
lol sorry spell check doesn’t like Meco.
We have ~$20mil of cap space including roll over in 2016, which is not enough to get anywhere close to keeping our key players. However there are a range of cuts that can add a lot.
Celek and Cooper are nearly certain to be gone adding $7.5mil. If you are keeping Bradford, Sanchez is expendable saving a further $3.5mil.
Sproles is the realistic cut at RB saving $3.5mil. If you are moving to a 3-4 you can trade Barwin for a late pick to gain another $6.2mil (needs to be a trade since he has nearly $3mil guaranteed this year). Finally cutting Peters could give $6.3mil in cap relief.
If you did all those moves you could have ~$45mil+ in space.
The 2 other sneaky important extensions we need to get done are Logan and Ertz who will be free agents in 2017. Combined with Cox we need to get those deals done before free agency goes bonkers in the next 2 years ideally if we want to keep all 3.
Cox will be in the $15-16mil per year price range.
Ertz is probably $7-8mil
Logan and Curry are hard to price at this point without knowing their markets… but $6-7mil seems reasonable.
Bradford will probably be ~$18mil range i think.
Logan and Ertz will have limited 2016 cap hits since they will be extending for future years, and Cox is already 7.8mil on the cap so that will be saved.
Depending on how much you are willing to put off the cap pain you can resign pretty much everyone IF you cut pretty much all those i listed before.
Issue is i think we need to address the Oline in free agency with at least 1 or 2 additions… which all adds costs.
Gotta extend or move Peters / Maxwell
Sorry not Max, Jenkins.
Jenkins is pretty interesting case.. he is costing less than he is worth this coming year which always makes extension talks difficult, but he is in his last year. I would be tempted to let him play out the year and see where we stand in 2017.. aging Safeties are scary.
We might be able to get him to add 2 further years at $8mil per year average and that might work for everyone.. would have almost no cap impact this year however.
Peters is 36 so i cannot see anyone trading for him with his cap no, and extending him seems unwise at this point… Doubt he is willing to take a pay cut with his pride… but he might.
As for Maxwell he is fully guaranteed Y2, and no one is trading for that contract after his play this year. Our hope is a new DC and scheme will allow him to excel.
yeah didn’t realize peters is signed through 2018
Well there is no way he gets the $10mil he would be in line for in 2017 so something has to give at some point
Sanchez is expendable no matter what they do with Bradford. I’d rather see what GJ Kinne can do in there before I ever want to see Sanchez in an Eagles uniform again. He had a perfect chance this year in his 2nd season in a system and he sucked.
sadly agree, i pulled for sanchez seriously, especially after bradford was playing like hot garbage the first 8 games.
Ertz has to bother to catch and hold on to the ball for more than 2 games, maybe shake off a tackler or two before he gets a contract. Hopefully.
Eagles finally confirmed that they interviewed Gase today.
Philadelphia Eagles
@Eagles
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#Eagles interviewed Adam Gase, offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears, for their head coaching position.
Kempski-compiled OC rankings http://www.phillyvoice.com/offensive-coordinator-career-statistical-resumes/
Sal Pal saying Andy is pushing pederson.
Andy probably just wants him to bring back some cheesesteaks, roast pork sandwiches, water ice, and pretzels back to KC.
Andy has been high on Pederson since he was first hired. He brought him in to “teach” McNabb the position his first year in the league.
Did two drafts:
Here is the “Goff fell to me at 13, but no way this happens in April”
Round 1 Pick 13: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
Round 3 Pick 13: Shon Coleman, OT, Auburn (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Josh Doctson, WR, TCU (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A-)
Round 5 Pick 13: Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Devon Johnson, RB, Marshall (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Taveze Calhoun, CB, Mississippi State (B+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Cole Toner, OT, Harvard (B+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Jordan Lucas, SS, Penn State (B-)
And here is the trade down to get Wentz version
Round 1 Pick 21 (WASH): Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (B)
Round 2 Pick 21 (WASH): Max Tuerk, C/OG, Southern California (B+)
Round 3 Pick 13: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (B+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Bronson Kaufusi, DE/OLB, Brigham Young (A)
Round 3 Pick 21 (WASH): Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Kevon Seymour, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 5 Pick 13: Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Ricky Seals-Jones, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Miles Killebrew, SS, Southern Utah (A-)
Round 7 Pick 13: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Glenn Gronkowski, FB, Kansas State (B+)
Get that 7th rounder just to sell jersies
More edge rushers than OL? Like the second draft better.
O line was irking me in that first draft. Dude were going like hot cakes before I could pick. And I hate reaching.
But I’d take it to have Goff.
Those OLB’s be able to play in the 4-3?
Might be more DE types in that case.
Correra would be use more like Barr, Von, or KVN. You make him an off the ball Sam in base personell and use him as a rusher in nickel sets.
Ngaboue is a little undersized but can play RDE in a 43.
For some reason, the site hasn’t updated for me yet and says Eagles have the 12th pick in the 1st round.
Goff doesn’t fall below Dallas
what if they sign johnny football??
A second and third this year to go from 21 to 13? Who do they want and that seems a little steep (although I admittedly haven’t looked at a value chart)
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So, with one guy just Gase-ing the joint, another Coughlin up blood, and McAdoo about nothing, it is starting to look Shurmer and Shurmer that we stand Pat.
Will you be here all week?
It is getting hard to tell around here, but I don’t have any meeting scheduled with Lurie.
If shurmur is the choice that just goes to show me the eagles FO is a huge issue and no one else wanted to come here.
There’s not a lot of good options. Who looks pristine after gase? And gase gets credit for running Peyton’s offense on a stacked team. Cutler was better this year but the offense wasn’t great Look at trestman, great OC, terrible HC.
I like Fangio, but SF D was stacked and he got it to play well / people liked him. CHI outplayed it’s roster but it wasn’t good.
PHI has run a great offense, i’d like to see what it would look like w a less dogmatic coach.
Todd Haley could be ok, no one is calling him.
Hue Jackson but doesn’t seem like we have interest.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we were trying hard for Payton, but he is what he is.
*after reading this comment* my god *holds hand to forehead as I stagger backwards* my god, this comment
Ow. Ow. Ow.
Speaking of Mr. Right, has any team scheduled an interview with the Chipper?
Man hard to imagine any team loving a coach as much as the giants love coughlin. i never knew…
Buddy Ryan?
If we hire a an offensive coordinator for a head coach I’m actually more concerned about who is going to be our defensive coordinator than I am about which offensive coordinator they pick.
If we get an NFL guy he will know someone that can come do it. Now will that someone be any good? Who knows hopefully.
Yeah just kind of seems if we take a DC as head coach we already have Shurmur who I’m ok with, especially if they keep Bradford. But if we take an OC as head coach we can’t interview other DCs for the DC position and we are stuck with promoting a positions coach.
Supposedly, if Adam Gase is hired, his likely target is Bengals’ DBs coach Vance Joseph. Joseph’s contract with Cincinatti is up at the end of their season, so they couldn’t block them from joining us.
nice! Joseph would be a good get based on his reputation around the league
Can we interview Tom Coughlin just to tweak the Giants fans? Or is that being petty?
If it wasn’t someone as respected as TC i think it would be interesting
Schedule an interview with Howie, let him sit in the waiting room for 30 minutes and then cancel the meeting.
sounds like something howie would do
Sounds like something Buddy Ryan would do.
Speaking of Buddy Ryan, look what I found in unusually high quality video:
https://youtu.be/BpWPKktFjlo
barefoot kicker?
I completely forgot we had a barefooted kicker *after* Tony Franklin (the original barefoot kicker). He started a mini-craze; there were several barefoot kickers in the 1980s. Don’t think the practice lasted after that decade though.
Ravens LBs coach Ted Monachino is a “strong candidate” for the Colts’ defensive-coordinator vacancy.
Monachino, 49, was last a defensive coordinator for Hannibal (MO) high school back in 1995. He’s coached the Jaguars’ defensive line (2006-2009) and Ravens’ linebackers (2010-present) for the past 10 years. Monachino was linked to the Eagles’ DC job back when Chip Kelly was hired, but he stayed put. Monachino and Chuck Pagano coached together in Baltimore.
Damn, i know that Teryl austin was considering him for DC the last time he was interviewing for a head coaching position
Good! Screen out any idiots who think they are going to come in here and run player personnel.
nfl reporting rgiii wants to go to dallas when cut by skins
An odd little article from 538. The 2015 Eagles were good during hurry up, bad at other times. This is odd in that hurry up plays tend to be significantly worse than normal plays. Perhaps the most telling stat is that our hurry up plays were much better last year, and then declined this year (although still better than a normal team).
To sum up:
2015 Eagles hurry up: good non-hurry up: bad
2014 Eagles hurry up: great! 🙂 non-hurry up: bad
2013 Eagles hurry up: average non-hurry up: good
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eagles-coach-chip-kelly-fired/
this year we only ran hurry up once we got started. normal 3 and outs occurred at a slower pace.
I think hurry up needs to be used as a tool, not as a general scheme a la the Patriots (and other teams). I think an NFL team needs to be flexible/complex on offense from series to series, week to week. It’s not unlike the running and passing elements.
At Philly, Andy leaned too heavily towards the pass game. It made him one dimensional. Using the Pats as an example again, they seem to be able to run or pass equally as the situation or oppenent calls for.
There’s also an element of “take what defense gives you” but sometimes you have to “take what you want from the defense.”
With the uptempo scheme, poor OL, and mediocre WRs, Chip really limited himself imho.
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