Senior Bowl – The Game
Posted: January 30th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 415 Comments »The Senior Bowl is today at 2:30pm on The NFL Network. While practices are more important than the game, there is value in the game. That’s especially true for O-linemen. The practices give a clear advantage to DL. Games even things out.
So who should we focus on for the Eagles?
QB
Carson Wentz – Will he be on the board at pick 13? If so, do the Eagles pull the trigger? There isn’t anything specific to look for. You just want to see how he looks.
Kevin Hogan – Up and down showing this week, but Hogan isn’t the kind of physically gifted player that is going to shine in practice. A game setting should bring out the best in him. Hogan could be an interesting target for Doug Pederson’s offense.
Jacoby Brissett – I think he’s a project, but he is talented. Brissett is the kind of prospect you would take and develop for a couple of years. He got better as the week went along. This is not a great group of QBs in Mobile and Brissett could really help himself with a strong showing. The key will be to see how does as a passer.
WR
Braxton Miller – Unfortunately, Miller will probably be a 2nd round pick. And the Eagles don’t have a 2nd. If the Eagles move Jordan Matthews outside, Miller could be a great fit in the slot. I’m interested to see how he does with route running in the game today. Can he get open?
Jay Lee – Has good size at 6-2, 214. Has long arms. The Eagles could use a receiver like that. Lee won’t be an early pick so he could be an interesting target. I don’t have any specific things I’m looking for. Just want to see how he plays.
OL
Cody Whitehair – Could be a target at pick 13. Should play at a high level. Watch the way he blocks at the 2nd level.
Joe Dahl – Another guy going from LT to OG. Had a good week. Want to see if that carries over to the game.
Josh Garnett – Pure LG. 317 pounds. The Eagles could use someone on the inside with size. Garnett has size and strength. Needs to show he can handle quick, athletic DTs.
Le’Raven Clark – I’m curious to see if he will just play OT or OG. Had a good week. Want to see where he plays and how he plays.
DL
Bronson Kaufusi – Jim Schwartz loves long, tall DL. Kaufusi has size. He was more of a LB in college. The game will give him a chance to show what he can do as a 4-3 DE.
Jihad Ward – Has played DT and DE. Schwartz loves versatile DL as well as big guys. Ward is 6-5, 296. Can play inside or outside. Curious to see where he plays in the game.
Dadi Nicolas – Only 6-3, 235. At the right spot in the draft, could be good value because of his ability as a pass rusher. I’ll be watching today to see how he does as a run defender, as well as whether he brings impact as a pass rusher.
S
Miles Killebrew – Huge at 6-2, 219. This will be his only chance to face big time competition. Killebrew needs to show he can be effective in coverage.
KJ Dillon – Talented FS prospect. Just want to see how well he plays.
Kevin Byard – Can he cover well enough to start in the NFL? Needs to show he’s got that kind of potential.
Jeremy Cash – Duke lined Cash up in the box a lot. He’ll be used in a more conventional role in the Senior Bowl. He needs to show he can handle being a “typical” Safety.
Sean Davis – Played some CB this week and wasn’t at his best in that role. Much better at S. Will be interested to see where he plays in the game.
The Eagles are moving to the 4-3. They will need depth at DL and LB since we can’t be sure that some of the current backups will fit the new scheme.
Obviously the Eagles are going to be looking at all the players on the field. Every year we have some players that unexpectedly stand out. It will be interesting to see who those guys are today.
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Sheldon Rankins got injured and won’t play today. That’s a shame since he’s quite fun to watch and would challenge all of these OL.
Killebrew sounds like a traditional thumper.
So far . . . the only “Killebrew” to play any of the major professional sports (NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA) was HOF baseball player Harmon “Killer” Killebrew.
Talk about “thumpers.”
H-Killebrew retired after the 1975 season with 575 HRs — fifth most in MLB history at the time (behind only Aaron, Ruth, Mays, and F-Robinson).
http://baseballhall.org/sites/default/files/Killebrew%20Harmon%20Plaque_NB_0.png
Well Done, Media Mike.
Well Done!!!
Love the HOF!
sounds like you’ve been there.
best part?
Schmidt, Carlton, Ashburn, Roberts.
Under the heading of great stats:
Robin Roberts pitched 300+ innings six straight seasons (and 297.3 in the seventh), with back-to-back seasons of 346/336 . . . averaging 23 wins over that 6-year stretch.
Schmitty!!! Lefty!!! Whitey!!!
Must see before I leave this world.
In 1972. Carlton won 27 games when the Phillies won 59. One of the greatest years for a pitcher ever.
THE greatest year by a pitcher ever.
Concur. From 75-83, I’d putter around while the Phils were in the field and watch intently while they were at bat. Except when Lefty was pitching. The best part of the game was watching him pitch. Especially against the Bucs.
And I wasn’t a drinker of better beers when I went, when I go again I’ll be stopping by Ommegang Brewery. Godly.
That is such a shame. There is a typo on that plaque. It says 573 home runs.
Why do you hurt me.
I mean, I’ve always been loyal.
Why do you hurt me.
(I’m still laughing)
Whoa didn’t expect Sean Davis to have that kind of pop. I like it.
Allegedly the DB from Temple has had a good week when going up against Braxton Miller..
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Id rather see what our young WRs can do running actual pro routes in a pro offense before we go spending another top 100 pick on a WR. I guess if a situatuon similar to like how we got Maclin happens where the Treadwell kid ends up falling to 13, I could see value in not passing on the top WR prospect in the draft (although I have no idea if he is actually any good)…. But I wouldn’t want to see us going into this draft targeting a WR with a top 100 picks… Prefer adding talent to the OL. DL, Secondary in the first 3 rounds. Let’s get Right in the trenches first, While letting our new coaching staff evaluate our young WRs.. And hopefully next year we won’t have big needs in the trenches allowing us to spend top picks on WRs and RBs. Even better would be huff, Agholar and Jordan proving that we don’t need to spend a top pick on a WR next year.
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But that’s just general strategy… When it comes to the actual draft. If there is a kid available who grades out at a level higher than everyone else on our board, I hope we are smart enough to draft him even if his position isn’t one of our biggest needs
Laquan Treadwell’s 40 time will be in the 4.70 neighborhood.
Great production.
But not a top-half of the 1st Rd guy based on measurables . . .
Probably not even a 1st Rd pick.
Not at this point, at least.
Prescott led a nice 2 min drill that ended in a TD..only ran a couple times and made one poor decision..but a good efficient drive
That drive should have ended in a red zone INT. He threw the ball right to the safety, who dropped it.
We had so many stupid mental mistakes this year. Whether it was WR’s, TE’s and RB’s dropping good passes, or Lane and the OL committing so many boneheaded pre snap penalties, I wonder if Dougie slowing things down, huddling will have a positive effect on our offensive playërs concentration now that they will no longer always have to worry about hurrying up to line up as fast as possible?
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When you look at Dropped passes and stupid false start penalties, a big part of that is a lack of concentration.
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After this next season, huddling and Playing with normal tempo in Dougs pro style offense. Im curious to look back at the amount of drops Jordan, Nelson, Huff, Ertz, Celek and Sproles had last yeàr in Chips tempo Attack and see how it compares to the amount of drops those players have next year under Doug, when they can get back to worrying about Quality of snaps instead of Chips Obsession with Quantity of snaps. I also want to see how the lack of concentration, stupid, pre snap penalties like false start( offensive line), and illegal formation penalties under chip last year, compares to the amount of false starts and illegal formation penalties those same playërs get called for next year under Doug Pederson.
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And then I even want to see how many WR drops, false starts, illegal formations the 49er players get called for this year playing in Chips tempo, and compare them to how many penalties those same Niners players committed this year huddling in Tomasulas offense
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Interesting to see how concentration penalties in chips offense with two different rosters, compares to how those same players performed huddling and taking their time under two different pro style coaches (Pederson and Tomasula)….
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I wonder what the difference is in amount of concentration penalties between offensive players who have to play at chips tempo, compared to the defensive players on his team who typically get to play against opponents operating at a normal pro tempo?
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jordan Mathews talking about his walk off TD in overtime against Dallas sticks out in my mind, he talked about how that TD catch came off of one of the few times we actually huddled under chip, and how Jordan felt so comfortable coming out of that huddle, feeling like it was just another catch he would make coming out The huddle, just like all the catches he made in College before delivering that game winning walk off TD…
I’m curious to look back at the amount of drops . . . in Chips tempo Attack and see how it compares to the amount of drops those players have next year . . .
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Why not compare 2013 and 2014 with 2015?
Were there oodles of drops in Kelly’s first two seasons?
If not — and I don’t remember that being a problem — then maybe the dropped passes were not caused by Kelly’s tempo system.
Maybe the problem lay elsewhere in the offense.
That would be too much work.
Damn it, thats right, Cooper can block for days!
It was Bradford and the quality of the WRs.
Ertz, Sproles, Cooper, Celek and Matthews all had problems in 2014. In 14 we just had Maclin to carry the receiving load and he dropped like 1 ball all year
team was probably checked out after the start. They sort of battled but Philly has had a problem with mental mistakes for a minutes (thinking mainly TOs and penalties)
Riley Cooper’s crucial drop vs the Saints in the playoffs sticks out in my fading memory.
Other than Matthews early last year, I don’t remember the drops being a problem.
On the other hand, there was new QB, all new RBs, a new starting WR, and two new starting OL this year who had never really played in that tempo, or with the other players. Perhaps something about that situation demanded slowing down a bit until they all got comfortable. Kelce in particular seemed to struggle getting things straight between him and the guards in the time allotted.
I don’t think there is something fundamentally wrong on that score — in 2013 they did quite well even though they were all new to tempo, but the offense was pretty much all familiar with each other at least. Similar in 2014, though they had to integrate some new OL for a while (which didn’t go so well).
But something went wrong in 2015 and Kelly could not fix it. There was far more turnover on the offense this year.
One of the problems is that the 3 most sure handed WRs on the team all got cut or left in Jackson, Maclin and Avant.
Yes Jackson is sure handed and has amazing ability to track balls down field.
Dline has completely dominated this game all day making it rather boring.
Unless you want to draft some d-linemen.
LaRaven Clark cannot play LaTackle in the NFL. He’ll need to move inside to guard.
Yes he can. He’s 6’5 with 36″ arms and good feet. He’s going to require alot of technical work with his kick slide and pass pro angles.
I’ll take your word for it from a physical setup standpoint, but he got toasted at least twice yesterday, I didn’t care for that.
You’re absolutely going to have to babysit his ass with calls and protections his rookie year and probably would be best to start him on the right side, but there’s a top level LT in there, and he can play early. He’s gonna go in the pick 50-75 range.
Good context, thank you.
What a game from the sixers! yes golden state cooled off in the 3rd quarter with the lead and then could not turn it back on in the 4th when the sixers came roaring back but still have to give so much credit to the team for believing and toughing it out. #TooGood.
Amazing game., proud of our puppies. The perfect game, got some great experience competing TIL the end against a powerhouse, while losing at the Buzzer.. We damn sure don’t need to be getting wins against elite teams at least until the lakers snap their losing streak… Best part about tonight, is a lot of kids contributed.. Great to see them perform so well in front of a sold out home crowd…
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First game we lost with Nikki Minaj in attendance.. Lol Our puppies sure seem to play well when she is sitting in front row
The amount of overkill analysis about Wentz’s play (basically a little over a quarter) was ridiculous on NFL Network.
I was almost expecting a Zapruder-like ‘frame by frame’ analysis of each of his 10 attempts.
Just wait for pro days where they throw on air in a tshirt!
Reuben Frank – ‘If you don’t want to resign Bradford, give me a quarterback that is better.’
‘Don’t worry about it. Howie will find a way.’
Ugh. It is interesting how the Philly beat guys fit into various camps but there seems to be a large group that is pushing to resign Bradford long-term.
G Cobb seemed up my feelings – ‘Your going to pay a guy franchise QB money who has accomplished nothing in the league and is an injury waiting to happen? Not if you want to win.’
Completely agree.
I hope we spend next season watching Sanchez and Cardale Jones., I really do…maybe we can trade for someone like Brian Hoyer so we can save some money and have a nice 3way QB “Battle”..
Rather see that than paying Bradford $22M+ and giving him that huge guaranteed deal.
It will sink this team for the rest of the decade.
Show me a Howie Roseman contract that has ever “sinked” our cap for more than two seasons… Give me 1 example!
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I don’t want bradford. I want Fans to get their way… I don’t care if we don’t have SAM, it’s not going to make me over rate a QB in this draft
I can’t believe in a QB prospect just to get rid of sam… If I believed in a QB prospect, I would want to draft him at 13 even if we sign SAM… You eithet believe in a QB prosect, or you don’t,,, not having a QB ISNT going to make me like what’s available in this draft…
Why would Bradford sign a deal that only has large guaranteed dollars over 2 years?
If that is the case, Bradford won’t get anywhere close to what he is seeking.
Your not answering my question… I asked you to poïnt to one Contract HOWIE has ever handed out to any position that has ever crippled us?.. Just one..
Irrelevant here and you know that. Market for Bradford would have to collapse for that to happen.
No I don’t at all. I have No idea if sam will be an eagle, but I do know that if he is an Eagle, our Salary Cap will be Healthy like it has ALWAYS been under HOWIE
You are making contradictory logic statements.
If they sign Bradford for the deal he is rumored to be looking or slightly less (don’t see him giving the Eagles any kind of discount), it will have a lot of impact on what they do over the next 2-3 years especially given the deals they just gave out along with having to resign Cox long-term.
Bradford should barely even get half of what the rumors are suggesting. His agent is Condon so it’s not happening.
He shouldn’t but he is ‘King of the Mole Hill’ based largely on what he did in later part of the season.
For his part, I can’t blame Bradford being lukewarm to resign him long-term either. This o-line is a mess, the skill players are underwhelming, and they are bringing in a very raw and unproven coach who will apparently be calling the plays.
The rumor was from *before* the season, and was obviously silly.
I am sure Condon is asking for a lot right now. The question is he willing to take what the Eagles are willing to offer. He does normally extract quite a bit from teams, but Roseman may not bend to that, plus this is not a QB with an impeccable record (like many of his previous clients) to really demand historic types of guaranteed money.
No, im going off years and years of track record. You ever hear of terms like front loaded, backloaded, renegotiating to free up money in a year or two? Converting Salary to signing bonus? And countless other forms of contractual gymnastic, with our GM who knows every trick in the book?
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Years and years of track record, and you think RosemaN is ever going to fuck up our Cap? Get real. He signed. Friggin 2011 dream team without even hurting our cap lol
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I can’t tell you that Sam will be our QB next year, but if he is our QB, I GUARENTEE he will be signed in a responsible matter and you have nothing to worry about in terms of our Cap… It’s the one friggin strength of our GM. If he signs Sam, it’s ONLY because he has a cap blueprint mapped out to keep our Cap Healthy, like it has been for the past decade consistently with the exception of When chip came to power.
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If Bradfird is our QB, the Last thing you need to worry about is the cap. I can assure you we don’t understand the cap a fraction of as well as Howie does… say you sigń Bradfird, and our cap is tight in two years (over Howies dead body but I’ll play along), and we are struggling to find money to extend Jordan Mathews, do you actually think Roseman or bradford WOULDNT make contracts adjustments to free up money to keep a playet we need?
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Why the hell are you concerned with the Cap, when you can’t poïnt to one year our cap was in Danger under HOwie, when you can’t point to one contract HOwie handed out that has screwed us. You can’t name a player we were FORCED to lose because we didn’t have Cap Space… We been Carrying over 10 mil a year in Cap with HOwie in charge and you are worried about the Cap?
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In the next two years, you know many Expensive contracts HOwie is Axing?
Cooper
Meco
demarco
sproles
jason Peters
Byron Maxwell
friggin Joe Banner says the Cap is going up 10mil THS year and another 10 mil next year.
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What in Rosemans track record makes you think that you have to worry about the Salary Cap? How many 5 yeàr deals get axed two years later? How many 5 year deals get renegotiated or adjusted two years later….
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The one damn thing the Eagles have won this past Decade is Salary Cap Superbowls, and our GM who has always been Brilliant and responsible with our Cap is back in charge, so I’m baffled as why fans give two thoughts to the cap. It’s literally the one thing we don’t have to worry about with Roseman back in power
“Past Performance Is Not an Indication of Future Results”
If they sign Bradford to the deal I think it will take to have him resign and have to resign Cox to a max deal (or close to it), it doesn’t matter if Roseman is a master of the dark arts because it will impinge their payroll flexibility over the next 2-3 years given the deal they already have along with the ones they just handed out.
This is also a team that has a lot of needs to address without a bunch of younger, talented cheaper players currently under contract.
Bwahahahah you can’t expect me to read a post that starts with such a hysterically bullshit sentence like that.. Like if you aren’t willing to have an honest debate we can just agree to disagree instead of wasting time with Bullsht… Let’s Ignore Everything we Ever Learned, go against it all, and just assume that Roseman is just going to wake up one day and decide to completely cripple our team handing out 1 contract
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LOL and you have the nerve to write to me “irrelevant here and you know it”??
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stop it, enjoy your evening mate. And of you ever want to have an honest debate, get back to me…
Your in one of your ridiculous hyperbole moods where you just disregard facts/logic.
I wonder if the Eagles’ rush to resign a bunch of guys early (without much immediate cap relief) is a side effect of wanting to see how much cap will be available for Bradford over the next few years.
They’ve got guys they know they want to keep, so they’ll extend them and that’ll give them some parameters for fitting in a possible Bradford deal…
Definitely part of it. It wouldn’t surprise me if they quickly this offseason too and move a couple of ill-fitting parts under the new scheme for picks too including possibly Barwin, Kendricks, or Alonso.
Question to me is what latitude is Lurie willing to give to Roseman.
Is Lurie prepared to let Roseman control the Bradford negotiations, let Bradford walk away if Roseman determines the numbers don’t make sense, and possibly endure a 4 or 5 win season next year while this team either drafts a rookie QB or rebuilds.
They are sending a message to some extent showing the fans that they are interested in locking up priority targets. You’re probably also correct that it’s a message to Condon that all of our cap space does not belong to you.
You are assuming that a team would offer him a bigger contract. I mean, I’m sure he’d prefer to sign a contract that paid him $30 million per year, but he’s not going to get an offer like that.
He would be the most attractive free agent, but that does not necessarily mean that teams would get that desperate. As you say, he has not had a sustained run of success and has had some injuries — I don’t think he’s earned something that would strangle a team for a decade.
Plus, if the Eagles tag him, I don’t think other teams would bother with serious offers (unless the Eagles made clear they were open to a tag-and-trade). So he might have the choice of playing one year with the franchise tag, taking all the risk on himself, or signing a reasonable contract which guaranteed two years salary, plus a signing bonus, and perhaps guaranteed part of a third year (or guaranteed for injury only), letting the Eagles get out after two if it was clear it was a problem contract. He could well choose the latter.
Reading the ‘tea leaves’ and seeing what they have been saying I don’t see Roseman either making him that extreme offer or ‘franchising him’ because of the odds of being able to sign him long-term here.
They’ll make him a competitive offer but one they are prepared for Bradford to walk away from too.
Entirely possible. The real question is the franchise tag. And they may want to re-sign their own players first so they see what parameters they have to work with down the road.
I don’t see an extreme amount of guaranteed money either. I’m not sure the franchise tag is out of the question (especially as a tactic to create leverage; I’m sure the Eagles would rather he sign a long-term deal). They risk losing a 3rd-round compensation pick in 2017 if they tag him then let him go, but that could also buy a lot of time and reduce his leverage of contracts from other teams. Or, they might feel they can re-coup the 2nd round pick.
Bradford already has plenty of money… the question then is does he feel OK to put some risk on himself to maximize future years money (sign the tag), or if he prefers to find a permanent situation this year, or if he would rather find the best situation to win — which might rule out some teams which could offer him. It is an open question how he would view the Eagles in that regard — what kind of talent does he think they have in a regular offense. I’m sure he’d like better WRs though he was getting good with Ertz at the end, and Matthews somewhat.
Bradford hasn’t said much of merit but I can understand why he is reluctant to sign here long-term for several reasons.
Condon has been clear though about getting his client paid. I can’t see Bradford being able to risk a huge payday either given his injury history.
Condon’s job is to get his client the best contract and position he can. It will be up to Bradford to say yes or no, though.
Even if Bradford did want to return to Philadelphia, Condon is probably best served by trying to avoid getting the franchise tag, however possible. So, some of the current leaks etc. may be more geared towards that end, rather than the actual contract he expects to get.
The tag is what could ensure the Eagles get something out of it (even if just a trade). The problem is if Bradford calls the bluff and signs the tag — I doubt the Eagles want to carry the full tag on the cap for this year, though it would be possible (even if preventing most other FA signings). But if Bradford wants stability, then that would tend against him signing it as well. Game of poker between Roseman and Condon at this point.
NFL contracts are not guaranteed. This isn’t a Ryan Howard situation. No contract straps a team for a decade. We gave Vick 100M and were out of it three years later. The non exclusive tag option looks the best. It’s expected to be 19M. Whether you want to trade him or keep him, this is the most non desperate situation.
Maybe I’m missing the tone you are using In this comment, but weren’t you in huge support of keeping Sam here? Did I miss something?
Huh? Hell yeah I want sam here, Why wouldn’t I want the QB who would give us the best chance to win the next 3 years? But since I have no idea if they will keep him or not, my plan B would be Sanchez and some Garbage round 2 or 3 QB like Cardale Jones. If I don’t believe in any of the QB we can get in this draft, Id rather have the one that costs our 3rd round pick instead of our First round pick…
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But if you ask me what I want, that’s easily Bradford signed to a 5r deal we can get out of after a two or three years if need be. While looking to find our future QB in one of the next 3 drafts..
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Tired of getting my teeth kicked in, and clearly the Eagles probably aren’t going the rebuilding, so OF COURSE I want the QB who gives us the best chance to win, and who his teammates believe in and want, especially when we have a GM who will never allow us to fuck up our salary Cap
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Which is hilarious because Frank well into December continued to throw a fit that Nick Foles is the greatest QB of all time and Sam Bradford is trash.
Well, he was 50-50.
I find the “he is the best available QB” argument to be an incredibly weak and misguided argument. Being the best available is completely different from being good enough to bring success to the team. Particularly at QB, the “available” guys, which included Bradford last year, are available BECAUSE they are not good enough. Sticking with Bradford, simply because he is the best QB available would be a waste of money, resources, and time.
Now if your argument is he IS good enough, that’s a completely different one. I personally disagree, but at least now we are arguing over whether or not he is worth spending big money on. Reuben Frank’s argument, taken by itself does not do that at all.
Doesn’t matter if Bradford is better than the available options. Is he good enough to commit major money to long-term or not? Unless you’re sure the answer is yes, go for less expensive options and draft or punt until next year. Question really isn’t about the better quarterback but about which quarterback comes with the best skill/durability/financial commitment ratio.
The part I agree with is “Question really is[ ] which quarterback comes with the best skill/durability/financial commitment ratio.” My argument is there is a non-trivial probability that the best ratio will come with Bradford. I’ll reiterate that people who think he sucks think he will be the highest paid QB ever (’cause QBs are in demand), but think that we can pick up Wentz (or some other stud) in the 3rd and we’ll be set for a decade with a franchise QB (’cause noone wants a QB in the draft) confuse the ever living crap outta me.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/31/10876862/eagles-worst-wide-receiver-nfl-nelson-agholor-riley-cooper-jordan-matthews-position-review
Two things:
1 – What imbecile is doing credited drops? The number per guy is WAY too low. Especially with Cooper.
2 – Sideline fake tough guy Bob Bicknell should really think about killing himself. Great coaching with that position group.
The funny thing is Agholor cant be the worst WR in the NFL by the fact that he actually got on the field and produced.
Actually it is possible. For example, if his on-field actions, in sum, contributed hugely to the team losing games, so that it would be better if an absolute zero was out there. Last year, it could be argued that Huff, by his overall negative impact on games, was worse than WRs that never got off the bench. Murray was the worst RB on the team but got the most PT, so this is not unprecedented.
To be fair we drafted guys who all had issues with drops in college, so it continuing to the pro’s is no surprise. Having said that WR’s do improve their catching with time…just can take 3-4 years to really manifest itself.
WR is such a tough situation for the Eagles… no one in free agency they can get who will be worth any of the money it costs to sign them. No 2nd round pick where you can project to get starting snaps in 2016 from. At no.13 Tredwell is probably gone and there is no one else with that kind of value at 13 available.
So yeah gonna have to suck it up in 2016, hope people progress and develop and we will probably be addressing this in 2017.
Cant poïnt to much improvement out of our WRs under Bicknells coaching.
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Now Chip is coaching another team with average at best WR’s and he brought his average at best WR coach with him? Hopefully the Niners become a complete TRAINWRECK
Those drops add up to 21. Most sites say there were 35 drops this year, but some claim more like 50? (these tend to show up in pro-Bradford articles)
Werent there like 10 or 11 just in the Carolina game?
Not sure. Depending on what definition you use for a drop, and who is keeping track.
50 seems plausible because I think I screamed “CATCH THE FOOTBALL” at least 50 times.
Not happening, but fun. If Tunsil slid to 13, 12 GMs should be shot.
Round 1 Pick 13: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A)
Round 4 Pick 15: Gunner Kiel, QB, Cincinnati (A-)
Round 5 Pick 14: Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 23: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Cre’von LeBlanc, CB, Florida Atlantic (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (A+)
Round 7 Pick 30: DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech (A)
A Wentz at 13
Round 1 Pick 13: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Jerald Hawkins, OT, LSU (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A)
Round 4 Pick 15: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A)
Round 5 Pick 23: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (B+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech (B+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Javon Hargrave, DT, South Carolina State (A-)
In 2012 I thought there was no way Cox would slide to 12 and he did.
I would be doing victory laps around my friend’s house where we all watch the first round if we got any of Tunsil, Stanley, Goff, or Wentz.
Would be over the moon with Ramsey or Bosa as well. The Clemson pass rush pair of Dodd and Lawson make a lot of sense at 13 as well.
Which makes not picking no.9 a huge blow since there would be a decent chance one or more would be there at 9… less likely at 13.
Ramsey next to Jenkins would be crazy
Not a Bosa fan.
Dig Lawson. Not sure about Dodd. Ramsey is solid.
Dodd is the higher upside guy, think he is more fluid with better speed, could be really special. Think Lawson is a solid 10 sack a year guy, like both a lot and if we are going to be a Schwartz 4-3 you can never have enough talent up front on the D-Line.
Id want Ramsey or Deforrest Buckner to fall to #13, which there is zero chance of haooen ing
“Bring me the head of Fletcher Cox”, I think, was the name of Tommy’s article. I think most thought we would end up with Keuchly, though.
http://igglesblitz.com/2012/02/bring-me-the-head-of-fletcher-cox/
When was an Andy Reid team EVER that likely To draft a LB so high in round 1? Not sure why “most” expected us to take a LB over a DT while andy was in charge..
And a; no Goff, no Wentz, no Stanley, Tunsil…….but Dallas really wanted Lych, so sure I’ll trade down
Round 2 Pick 3 (DAL): Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State (B)
Round 2 Pick 6 (S.F.): Jaylon Smith, OLB/ILB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 3 Pick 4 (DAL): Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 15: Gunner Kiel, QB, Cincinnati (A-)
Round 5 Pick 14: Harlan Miller, CB, Southeastern Louisiana (B+)
Round 5 Pick 23: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech (B+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State (A+)
You seem to like Gunner Kiel. If so, reason?
Kiel isn’t even in the draft.
Wasn’t aware he stayed. I’ll have to go back to Hack or Sudfeld as my non Goff / non Wentz backup option.
Yes, but wasn’t aware he stayed.
And I just think he’s a better passing prospect than a lot of the trash that isn’t Goff or Wentz.
Thoughts on Kaufusi from yesterdays game? I didnt get a chance to watch. That guy is freaking massive but I really question his explosive potential. I wonder if he would be better suited a 3-4 end.
Doug was asked if he would add a FB and said that he wasn’t sure because they could also use our 3rd TE Burton in a FB role…. I like fullbacks because they are usually also quality ST playërs, but Burton is a ST stud in his own right. If we can teach him to lead block, Burtons ability to run or make plays in the passing game can be a nice weapon in the Andyish offense we are going to install…
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When should we expect the Eagles to start cutting playërs? Early March right before Free agency starts? Or shortly after the SB? I want Cooper gone, and im afraid they will make him take a pay cut and let him stay whch would drive me crazy.. Curious to see who will be the surprise cut?
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Schwartz has coached a lot of good defenders from different teams, wonder if there is a Safety or LB available in Free Agency, that Schwatz knows can be a fit having coached him in the past? Id rather not sigń any teams free agency, maybe one Free agent addition. But if we do target free agents, I hope we add players from KC, the Bills, Titans, Chargers that our new coaches know that they would fit and give us our money’s worth having coached them in the past. For Example, the free agent Guard from KC that Pederson will have great insight on… Wonder if there is a quality strong Safety available that Schwarz coached in the past and can vouch for his work ethic and Lockeroom behavior
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*If* Vinny Curry’s asking price is too steep, do you think the front office could entertain the idea of drafting Noah Spence? We have a pretty successful track record with Bishop McDevitt grads (Ricky Watters & Shady). He would come at a presumably cheaper price and it could allow us to be flexible in other areas. Just a thought – not a seriously thought out one at that!
No… I don’t want to watch Curry kill our Qbs wearing a Giants uniform the next 5 years, and VINNY doesnt want to leave, and is most likely Jacked up about the shackles coming off and being unleashed in a 4-3.. I trust Roseman and VINNY to work it out since both parties want him in Philly… Id be surprised if he Curry reaches the open market
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curry could be wise to try and take a 2 or 3 year deal if he thinks his productipn will go thru the roof in our 4-3, and then still have time to negotiate another bigger pay day,,,
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Be really surprised if VINNY isn’t here next year….. But even if we keep VINNY, can’t ever have enough edge rushers. if the best player available is an edge rusher, draft him even if we keep BG, VINNY, Barwin and MS2
I hope we keep Curry too. I’d hate to see a talent unfulfilled like that leave here way too soon. $$$ will be tight though, especially if we’re seriously entertaining the idea of resigning Bradford, extending Cox, etc.
Very tough contractual mix for sure.
He’s a drug addict. I don’t think he’s worth the risk.
So you would have passed on guys like Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Dan Marino, Ect. Too?
If it was alcohol and opiates I’d be more concerned. But if it was less physically addictive drugs and he had been clean for awhile, I don’t understand why you would simply dismiss him. It seems like he hit his bottom and is taking proactive steps to leading a more healthy and productive life. Of course I could be wrong too, but I’ve seen plenty of young men turn their lives around to simply dismiss him.
It was ecstasy, no some simple nonsense. If he was just smoking weed, I’d leave the door open.
But in either case, I can’t risk pick 13 on a guy who has major substance abuse issues.
Carter was going to die if the Eagles didn’t cut him. If he wasn’t simply dismissed, he’d be a corpse.
Sapp was a weed guy, nowhere near a big of a deal as Spence and only flunked one test.
Moss was also weed as far as I can remember.
I’m not sure what Marino’s weakness was, so I’ll have to reserve judgement.
All in all, I don’t think Spence “only” failed two drug tests. Urban Meyer is a notoriously filthy human being who turned a blind eye to members of his team murdering people while at UF. I’m sure the two failed tests from Spence we heard about were not the first two he failed.
Because he’s an addict from a drug that is actually addictive (rather than just a weed smoker), what happens to him the first time he’s injured an needs a pain killer in order to play?
I’m not taking that risk with my pick at 13. In 1985 we took scumbag Kevin Allen in the first round and he raped his way out the NFL before his 2nd season even started.
Too risky.
Weed and ectacy carries same suspension , so why is weed better? Most guys smoking can’t stop either
Because SCIENCE!
Marijuana doesn’t carry anywhere close to the addiction risk that ecstasy does.
And the NFL actually made a significant liberalization for the drug test threshold for marijuana, but has done no such thing for ecstasy.
Ecstasy isn’t quite coke on the addictomometer, but if you read Spence’s own words about his use of the drug it would give you pause to taking him in the first round.
coming from a position of knowing nothing about his use. was he actually addicted to ecstasy? thats not something you can take everyday or even every week and still funciton as a human being. people who do e on the regular become zombies. Id be surprised if he could play football and be an mdma addict. If he did it once and happened to get drug tested its no big deal. Pure mdma isnt actually terrible for your body or brain. the problem is you use up a ton of your seratonin when you take it and it takes about to month to return to normal levels. using e multiple times a month will fry your brain as you run out of seratonin and your brain flips the fuck out trying to fix everything. it gets even worse when people take designer drugs thinking its e and really fuck themselves up for life
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/121583/former-buckeye-noah-spence-starting-over-at-eastern-kentucky
Seems like he was using a ton.
He failed 3 different drug tests. After you fail the first one they tell you that you’re going to be routinely tested.
So knowing you will be tested, that failing the test will cause you serious consequences, and continuing to use a drug is an addiction.
MDMA takes 2-3 days to get out of your system, weed takes 2-3 weeks, so its much easier to get busted for weed than MDMA
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/08/former_ohio_state_de_noah_spen.html
This type of behavior doesn’t equate to a high level of comfort with a first round pick.
Yeah but Ecstacy is really just a party drug. I don’t imagine many NFL players using Ecstacy in their every day life, where as players that smoke weed often do so as a consistent way of life. I assume someone who failed a drug test for pot, used it a shit ton more than a player who failed a drug test for Ecstacy, and a once in a while party drug Probably is easier to overlook than a player who constantky smoke spot and is always at risk to get suspended
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Not too mentipn functioning members of society that I know of walking around on E every day in their normal lives… The player would have to party too much for them to Do a ton Of E, and a player who parties too much shouldnt be wanted whether he is taking E or just drinking and staying out late excessively
Honestly I’m open to him no matter what, if he is BPA, take him
I hope not, Curry/Cox/Logan have the makings of a great front 4.
And don’t sleep on Graham playing Schwartz style.
I think he can thrive going back to DE. Even with the bad end of the season, I still feel like we have some talent on the D.
Haven’t seen other people confirm it yet but that seems pretty much where you would expect the deal to come in at.
aww fake :C
Oh well..
Les Bowan while I can’t stand him, is a more trusted a more trusted source than Elliot Parker
Seriously, always look for the blue “verified” checkmark.
31 January…. 2014?! Lol
The page says “Evil Les Bowen”. His handle uses capital “i” or “I” instead of L.
That is a really good fake.
Apart from the date…
When somebody who is employed in sports reporting retweets it, I’m fooled.
Damnit! Had me for a second there. And I picked out this fake account the other day too.
Nah. All 47 followers.
I don’t think a parallel dimension of Les Bowen would be evil/malevolent. Just creepy.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14684435/former-rams-coach-mike-martz-upset-terrell-owens-picked-hall-fame-finalist-isaac-bruce-torry-holt
Remember that time Mike Martz OD’d on crack and flunked math?
This is what Tommy wrote about Byron Maxwell when we signed him to the fifth highest CB contract last year:
“Are we paying Maxwell too much? Yes. But it had to be done. Sometimes in life you have to overpay. You can’t afford to shop around and hope. You have to suck it up and write a check for an obscene amount…Maxwell is an above average CB, but he’s not an elite player.”
Doesn’t this same line of thinking correlate to Bradford? I would say a QB is much more important that a starting CB, and much harder to find.
Having a mediocre QB doesn’t set you back as far as a mediocre CB. I’m getting quite sick of people claiming our players have such high ceilings that overpaying for them might be justified. I guess blind faith is better than the slim chance that the light bulb might finally go off after 4+ years.
I think having a mediocre QB is worse. If your QB is mediocre than you need almost every other position to be spot on, and that still might not be enough.
Teams like the Texans and Rams would be so much better with just good-average QB play. The Cardinals were lucky to beat the Packers with the way Palmer played.
Additionally, you can scheme around a weakness at CB or any other position to compensate.
My brain isn’t working.
I don’t even turn mine on till Wednesday
And a bad QB and a Bad CB is even worse..
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“Mediocre” is a subjective, derogatory label that I would have no problem applying to the 2015 Eagles, but I don’t believe Bradford earned it alone. There were a bunch of missed blocks, dropped balls, blown assignments from OL to RB, that would make many elite QB’s look like nothing special. Signing Bradford, if it happens, would probably be the best way for a rookie coach to get untracked offensively. There’s nobody in FA that is more appealing, and any stab at a rookie QB at 13 will be 2-3 years in limbo while the core of the team (LJ, Zach, Cox, Benny, Hicks, Rowe and possibly Kendricks and Kiko) all get old in the midst of a rebuild. Are you in favor of Eagles trading up for Wentz?
Personally, I like Sam. I think he can absolutely become a franchise QB with a good coaching staff and a healthy career going forward. But if Pederson and Reich feel he is not worth the risk and think they can turn a rookie into something special, I’m on board with that too. As for Wentz, I’d rather have him in 1st round with some serious potential than drafting mid-round QBs hoping for the 2nd coming of Russell Wilson or Tom Brady. One thing that actually makes me feel good about the QB situatuion is that both Pederson and Reich should be excellent evaluators of a QB with their experience in the NFL and coaching history.
Im PERFECT with THAT! If Pederson and Reicht tell us It’s not worth it and that they can win with another QB, I’ll support that,… But if they want Sam, and our Accountant/GM goes against them, I will be furious…. If we get rid of Sam, that decision had better been made by the coaches,
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If they say they want to bet their coaching career on Sam because they can win with him, then there is nothing else to talk about
“But if they want Sam, and our Accountant/GM goes against them, I will be furious.”
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You’re giving Tom Condon a blank check.
That’s not how Lurie operates — when his team is run by competent people
The best part of this is no matter how it plays out, everyone will claim they knew the right answer at the time.
Just like omg fuck them for not taking carr or teddy.
omg shouldve picked tom brady
omg skipped over richard sherman a bunch of times
My nightmare scenario is Cowgirls grab Wentz, and he becomes Roethlisberger Redux. Generally, I hate to see early gambles go to waste, but If they are going to tag Bradford (which I would take to mean that they don’t want him longterm) then I’d be in favor of trading up.
That’s a bunch of nonsense. Missed assignments, drops, shitty OL play is all across the league. Why do you single this out for Bradford when all of the top 10 QBs have had that issue too?
So you’re saying Sam is mediocre and has reached his ceiling. Ludricrois! How do you feel about Eli? Surely he is mediocre too. Did you watch Brian Hoyer in the playoffs? Would you consider him mediocre? I would say Hoyer’s ceiling is mediocre.
I’m quite sick of people with the grass is always greener on the other side philosophy.
Bradford is mediocre. After 6 years in the NFL do you expect him all of a sudden to become elite?
If healthy, Yes.
Wow blind faith is really going around on this blog. Well you are entitled to your opinion friend.
Lol you think you are pissed now. All the people who think they want Sam gone will make next season a living hell in this city because of the Rammifications that will come with thinking they can so easily replace Sam
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If I actually believed that the people that say this ahit would actually support a Horribke year with no QB, I could respect the argument, but they will make this city a living Hell if we have to suck all year and maybe multiple years because of a lack of QB… People who say they want Sam gone, are mostly delusional, or they are lying to us, and most likely lying to themselves.
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These are the Same people who turned on their beloved in Chip we trust at the first down season lol yet they ñow claim that they will support becoming football Ronins, roaming the NFL for years with no QB? Fucking delusional liars. Stop lying to yourselves
Not really because at least we will either have a young QB or a high draft pick to acquire said QB. Sam is not wining you a Super Bowl, so where is the endless joy of a 9-7 season where you are stuck in QB purgatory for years? too good to move on from (because if you do Howie/Doug get fired if they drop down to 5-6 wins in Y3+), but not good enough to actually contend.
A Young QB from THIS draft lol… Excuse me, but I don’t belive you can just pluck a franchise QB out of any draft whenever you happen to need one.
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.how fuckin convenient, we get rid of Sam, draft a QB, problem solved, smooth sailing…. the OL Cleveland brown way lol
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if I have to go Hunting for QBs in a draft, Do It while you already have a QB you can win games with, not out of sheer desperation
and Bradford hasn’t been an elite QB since Oklahoma so why couldn’t a rookie come in and put up similar stats to Bradfords mediocre stats?
Ok
TD:
You’re wasting your time.
I know AC, I get suckered in everytime. People want to discount stats and still are in the belief that Bradford still has room to grow after being in the NFL for 6 years. I’m done on the topic forever now since it’s very clear that Bradfords 6 game stretch has many fans thinking that was a taste of what Sam can be instead of understanding that those 6 games may be his ceiling. RIP to the Bradford debate from TD. I say you do the same pal.
Funny thing is his ‘6 game window’ did not even produce many wins… or even good points. Think so much is in the context of how bad he was early in the season that the improvement from poor to average was somehow perceived to be this titanic step forward.
Fufina,
That was a perfectly said and well taken post. Everything you just stated is the main point I’ve been trying to advocate to people. I know alot of the backlash folks like you, me and, ACV get stems from fans dying for this team to find that ever elusive franchise QB that could take this team to the promise land, and in dping that many fans get blinded by a small sample of ok play and think that could be the guy . I wish people would understand that the leap from terrible to average/mediocre play from a 6th year veteran does not mean the light is finally going to come on and he will become elite. Like I’ve told everyone, I would welcome Bradford back with open arms but not for the kind of money he will demand.
I have to admit that I have absolutely no idea what kind of money Bradford will command. I think we’ve hashed out all the arguments on both sides pretty well. I imagine that most teams would think of all these positives and negatives and more. It’s hard to believe that any team would hand Bradford a mega contract it can’t escape. Though its nots hard to believe some team with cap space might be willing to offer more than us with more stability. The question really is how much more would another team offer and would we be willing to make up the difference?
Again, I have absolutely no idea.
Thing is i understand why people like Bradford. He throws the one of prettiest balls i have ever seen. But he has almost nothing else at a high level. He is risk averse (which is ok at some times and stupid to be all the time), which allows the defense to play on the front foot and aggressive… which makes him even more conservative in a vicious circle. He does not have a great feel for either pass rushers or when people are going to be open. He tends to need to see it to let himself throw it. Athleticism and health are obviously not strong points either.
When he was with the Rams i blamed a lot of that on conservative coaches and play calling… but Chip was aggressive with Foles and Vick and even Sanchez at times, so i cannot believe that it was just on Chip turning the offense into to a check down fest, and i don’t think that Dougy (from his Chiefs record) is the guy that is going to help Sam cut loose.
TD . . .
You’re right. We both get suckered every time.
RIP’s a great idea.
There’s already first and second year QBs that have better numbers than Bradford have ever had in his career.
I like all of the 3 top QB’s as long term prospects, although probably only Goff is good to start in Y1 first game. We are not going to be having a top 3 pick any time soon, we are too well run to let that happen. So we are going to have to draft imperfect prospects, so lets start now when we have an actual draft with 1st round quality QB’s (unlike 2013), and let the new coaching staff go to work and develop that.
I like Goff the most, by far. I like Wentz. I don’t trust Lynch at all.
I don’t even like Goff łet alone the other schmucks in this class
If they have any hesitation on Bradford being a franchise QB they need to draft Goff or Wentz. I don’t think we will be picking this high again for a few years
The nightmare scenario is that they don’t see Bradford as the guy and both Goff and Wentz are gone by 13.
Beating the Giants in Wk 17 continues to pay dividends.
F’d me out of planning a London trip as well.
Don’t get me started… 4th quarter i was screaming for a Giants come back win. Still feel dirty for it… need some kind of fan purification ritual to overcome it. Might watch the entire 2002-2004 seasons again or something.
The Rams thought they wouldn’t be picking high again in each of the 3 (of 5) years years Bradford missed time.
So they stuck with Bradford. Until they didn’t.
Commitment to mediocrity is what got Chip fired. Just saying.
Dave:
Eli Manning’s QB’d two Giants team to SB wins. Yes, the Giants had a good defense in 2007. But not in 2011.
More important is, Manning’s never missed a game.
Finally, compare Manning’s performance in a new system in 2014 over his last 6 games to Bradford’s last 6 games in 2015.
Here’s what you get:
– Manning – 102.5 rating
– Bradford – 94.7 rating
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I’m agnostic on Bradford returning. What I care about is at what amount and under what kind of contractual structure.
Ac-your last sentence re structure and length sums up my feelings perfectly. We can’t go all in on Bradford, but it would be nice to have him starting while we’re (a) testing out some rookies or retreads (eg rg3) and (b) testing out Bradford himself. Best case scenario would be to hedge our bets with Bradford and one more qb with “potential.” There are lots of acceptable scenarios short of this. Just about the only unacceptable scenarios to me are handing Bradford a big long term k we can’t escape or ending up with someone like rg3/kap and no one else.
Eli is durable, I agree. His Superbowls were based on defense and luck. I have nothing against Eli, but he is the ultimate chucknand duck QB. Many of his completions were based on his receivers making great catches in traffic. Heck, he has a Superbowl win based on the infamous helmet catch. Eli has destroyed Giants games, and seasons, based in horrible jump-ball throws that were intercepted. He gets way too much credit based on his brother and Superbowl wins.
Comparing a player that didn’t play in 2 years to a player that hasn’t missed a game isn’t apples to apples. Plus I guanrantee Eli didn’t have the dropped passes Sam did.
Out of curiosity I looked up the 2011 season. The Eagles were 8-8 and split games with the Giants. The Giants were 9-7. The Eagles were led by Vick form13 games and Vince Young for 3 games, yet they scored Moore points than the Giants on the season.
During the playoffs, the Giants defense came alive and gave up 2, 20, 17, and 17 points.
Manning has never missed a game. That is the only reason he is still employed. If he missed 2 to 5 games a year like most recent Eagles started, things would be much different. I agree that is a huge deal for Sam going forward.
Eli is plenty times better than Bradford. You’re delusional if you don’t think so. I watched Hoyer play and then I also saw Alex Smith in the same game that had little impact compared to every other QB in the playoffs (maybe with the exception of Bridgewater). He’s not the franchise QB we’re looking for and we should not pay him like one.
Of course.. Completely irrelevant without a QB and Bradford will give us the best chance to win these next 3 years…. Sigń Sam, while looking to draft the future QB… Wish Howie and Pederson would have cut Sanchez already. Should have been done the day after Pederson was hired. Im going to celebrate axing Sanchez and Coop
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BTW, if you are Going to overpay, overpay one of your own guys that you know, not a player from another team.
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sam was one of our very best offensive players down the stretch and he was consistently improving for us syill when the season ended. Everyone thinks they know Sam is some aberage bum, but history says you don’t even get to see A QBs best until you give him a few years of continuity in the same system. With the same players, and the same coaches…. If 3 years ago Bruce Arians acquired Bradford instead of Carson, I doubt they would be much worse tbis year then they were in Carson’s 3rd year with Arians….. Now if you think Sam ISNT going to stay healthy the next 3 years to get that continuity, THATS a more logical argument, but to treat sam like he is some hack is a joke…
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For starters we have no clue what the price will actually be. We hear Big numbers, but that’s what you should hear at the beginning of negotiations. One party starts with a real big number, and the other side starts with a low number and later on they meet somewhere in between.. EVERYTHING we hear now is just posturing, strategically leaked info.. I also think it’s funny that all of these people think Bradfords is going to command monster money in the eyes of various different teams, yet in the next breath they talk about Him like he is a BUmb… Which is it? Is bradford going to command so much ungodly amounts of money because very smart QB coaches like Bill Obrien, Doug Pederson, Jon Elway all think sam is so great that they will fight each other for who gets to shower him with absurd amount of millions? But then the fan will say he is an average bum that isn’t worth it
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As a Bradford fan, I sure as Hell Hope that quality coaches and execs from differemt franchoses think so highly of Bradford that the crazy numbers people throw out there will be so accurate… Im not sure how much people trust Howie, but I wouldnt feel too confident if Rosemans signs some 6million chump QB that no other QB starved franchise valued..
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In the end I expect us to retain Sam, one of our best offensive players, and when we see the terms of the contract, EVeryone will be cheering Roseman just like they always do when we find out the actual terms of a Roseman contract..
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I can’t Imagine they fuck over Pederson and DONT retain sam for him…. I think the bigger question is can they agree on the extension before free agency or do they have to franchkse him to buy more time and get the extension done in June?
Not to throw shade at you but in reference to Bradford 6 game stretch of playing “good”, was similar and equivalent to Brandon Weedens games for tbe Cowboys. I actually would like the Eagles to sign him but for elite money since it doesn’t make sense because this team isn’t close to winning a SB. If that’s the case you let him walk and build with a rookie QB or a hand picked QB by the coach since they would have to develop him anyways.
Hahaha thanks for the laugh Hommie. I needed that
Your blinded by your obsession for Bradford and the mirage of a mediocre 6 game streak my brother. Look up his stats during that streak and look at Weeden, they’re similar.
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So let me ask you this, do you truly believe Bradford is the guy to lead this team to a SB?
Listen son, get a notebook and a pen and write this down..
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For starters Sam is destined to be mediocre, yet you really want to get rid of him because you think franchise are going to throw prohibitive amounts of money at him off of blind faith? Lol really?
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It’s not blind faith, front offices will evaluate his actually QB play Independant of the success of the play, because they have enough of an understanding about this game to know that there are 10 other players on each play that are all intertwined and contribute to the success or failure that your simple eyes see when you watch a game or become a stat sheep.
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Normally I wouldn’t even answer you for saying such useless dumb shit bringing up Brandon Weedens stats with bradford, but this silly blind faith bullshit needs to stop. Ignorance is ugly
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You can win with a lot of QBs if you have the right team around them, and give them some time to grow into a certain pffense, with the same coaches and teammates
TD . . .
You just know Bradford’s dying to sign a 2-3 year contract, so he can learn a new system again just as he’s mastering Pederson’s.
He’s going to be learning a new system and being with all new players this year if he signs elsewhere. If he goes to the 49ers (which would require them to dump Kaepernick) he’d be in a similar system, but with all new players around him. With the Eagles, new system again, but familiar with the players. Those are about all his “stability” options. It would be much better if it was the same coaching staff etc. on that score — Eagles might have a significant advantage there — but now it’s just a mild advantage.
Right now, it could all just be posturing to avoid getting the franchise tag put on him — that would handcuff Condon quite a bit. But the thought of Bradford actually playing under the tag and taking that much cap room is painful enough for the Eagles that it’s far from a sure thing.
The contract he signs will be for pretty high dollars I’m sure, but I seriously doubt he gets significant guaranteed dollars to the point a team is stuck with him for 4 years — no contracts get guaranteed to that extent in the NFL. Even Cam Newton’s contract is basically a 3-4 year deal and they had seen up-front what he could do for several years, and had had some big past success, and has not had an injury issue all that much. Bradford has none of that — realistically, a 2-3 year deal (based on guaranteed money) is the best he’d do, though of course the actual term would be longer and there would be large non-guaranteed dollars.
FO —
See your argument re: Bradford and 2-3 year deal . . . no leverage based on past performance.
Effectively, that would seem to mean Bradford — for lack of a better term — is mediocre.
He has certainly *been* mediocre. He has potential to be very good. The question is what is the market rate on that. It’s certainly not that of established QBs, unless there are several desperate teams, or teams with cap money to burn and can afford the mistake. Not sure either are true.
FO . . .
Meaty, thoughtful stuff today on the Bradford Dilemma.
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I wrote the other day, “Who wants to be Roseman?”
All the well-argued back and forth shows how tough this decision — and negotiation — probably is.
It’s just not, “Roseman better do what Pederson wants … or I’ll be furious at people who don’t know I’m alive.”
I can’t Imagine they f[rustrate] [ ] Pederson and DONT retain sam for him…. “
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You say this as though Bradford will just sign whatever Roseman puts in front of him — which essentially gives Bradford a blank check.
Overpaying a free-agent QB ’cause he’s the best available — with an agent fishing for top-shelf QB money — would likely have a much more substantial impact on the cap (versus a CB).
But put aside the dollar amount — under the “Roseman’s a Contractual Whiz-Kid” Theory.
The biggest challenge with re-signing Bradford, at whatever amount, would seem to be the structure and length of the contract.
That is . . . Why would Bradford agree to a contract that lets the Eagles (or any other team) cut him loose after a year or two?
By all accounts (including his own words), Bradford wants system stability — which presumably means for the next 4-5 years.
So — unless Bradford has no other options — why would he sign pre-Free Agency with the Eagles for what amounts to a 2-year deal?
Not that Bradford can’t end up here in deal that lets the Eagles out after 2 seasons.
Just seems like an outcome that will result only after Bradford tests Free Agency (even if tagged — unless hit with the “exclusive tag”).
And if Bradford hits free agency, the Eagles may move in a different direction.
At this point . . . it’s a fantasy to say, “I just want Roseman to sign SAM to a contract the team can get out of after 2 years.”
Yes, Roseman’s good at contracts.
But Bradford has flexibility few NFL players have. From his rookie contract, he should have close to $50 million in the bank already.
Which means Bradford can be selective about his contract situation.
If his agent (Tom Condon) concludes nothing better is out there than what the Eagles are offering . . . and Bradford’s okay with a deal that lets the Eagles cut him in 2 years . . . then Bradford may re-sign here.
And under a contractual structure that neutralizes as much as possible the cap hit — whatever it may be.
It does — though the money involved at QB means you really just get one shot at it for a couple years. There is also “too much” and “way too much” — I am assuming that he will sign a contract the Eagles could get out of after two years, for respectable but not obscene guaranteed money, an amount which will seem uncomfortably high right now but would look better in a couple years. This is all true of the Maxwell contract. But there are limits — you can’t write Condon a blank check.
Part of it is how good do you think he could get. If you think he’s basically the QB he was over several years and just got on an unsustainable hot streak at the end of this year, you’re not going to want to pay even that much. You may as well find a placeholder QB for much cheaper. If you think that it’s because he’s been jerked around with a new offensive system every year and thus never had a chance to really show how good he could be (as opposed to just about every other top QB), and we just got a glimpse at the end of the year, you’d pay more. (Cam Newton had basically the same just-OK passing stats his entire career and first half this year — and that is with a very stable coaching situation — and then jumped significantly the last half. So it’s easily possible given Bradford’s situation.)
The other question is how much do you need to compete for a Super Bowl with Bradford. If he’s the last link, you can use most of the rest of the salary cap. But if you need to add more pieces, you need to leave more room in the cap, and can’t afford to have massive cap hits. If the team is going to be bad, may as well release Maxwell when the time comes as well.
Well said
FO:
Why do assume Bradford “will sign a contract the Eagles could get out of after two years”?
This assumption mystifies me — not from the Eagles side.
But from the Bradford side.
Because with the tag involved, the most similar circumstance to Bradford’s next deal is the one Alex Smith just signed with KC.
Most on here think Alex Smith is significantly better than Sam.
All of that aside, I see the ages, former #1 overall pick status in the bloated contract era, recent trade of the guy, and tag in play are similar enough that I see that as the deal to use for Sam.
Throwing wise I’d take Sam’s arm over Smith’s
I think even those that irrationally hate Sam would agree with that. They think that all things considered, Smith is significantly better. But they seem to be arguing that Sam’ll get paid much better.
There’s lots to like about Smith.
Starting with durability and mobility — neither of which Bradford’s shown.
On the other hand, Bradford seems to have the better arm — certainly short and mid-range.
If you were a GM and had the choice of these two (assuming they’d take the same contract), who would you take?
Bad to assume he will, but also bad to assume he won’t. Both are assumptions based off of a lot of other assumptions. Personally, I lean toward there not being much of a market for him, especially long term with lots of guarantees. Sure, all it takes is one Cleveland, but to me, the odds favor the other play. Personally, I’d put money on Wentz going top 10 before I put money on Bradford getting a long term (5 years or more) contract with substantial guarantees.
“Bad to assume he will, but also bad to assume he won’t. . . . Personally, I lean toward there not being much of a market for him, especially long term with lots of guarantees.”
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This scenario — with which I don’t disagree — means Bradford goes through Free Agency.
If Bradford hits free agency, what do the Eagles do?
Wait for him to decide?
Or go in another direction?
Do you think Sam makes more money later in FA rather than before? I think that’s a risky game for his agent to play. They may very well play it, but it could blow up in their faces.
But to answer your question, if I’m the Eagles I look to move on if he won’t take our best offer, whatever the brain trust figures that to be.
“that’s a risky game . . . ”
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Maybe.
Tom Condon’s as plugged-in as any agent, I’d guess, on the QB situation around the NFL.
Moreover, Bradford’s in a better position than any QB going into his second contract with a new team — because of the obscene amount of money he made on his rookie contract.
So Bradford does have flexibility other players hitting free agency for the first time don’t have.
Because I don’t think he’s going to get much more of an offer — if he even gets that. Alex Smith was more of a 1-year deal, though KC had to decide after 1 year if they wanted to make it a 3-year deal or not (two years of high salary got fully guaranteed at that point). Many types of structures are possible but he’s far from a proven franchise QB and will not get that type of deal.
So if no team offers a deal of longer than two effective years, then yes he’ll sign that type of deal *somewhere*.
FO . . .
saw your excellent “leverage” argument in another comment.
do you think Bradford hits free agency?
I guess that is the big question. I think Bradford would only sign before then if the Eagles offer a more-than-competitive deal, which I tend to doubt. But if a team is willing to go with a really high guaranteed contract, they might also be just fine with giving up a second-round pick, letting the Eagles recoup that if they do have to give him up.
So… I may be leaning towards the franchise tag, and either a trade from there or Bradford signing a palatable longer-term deal (with “palatable” seeming “obscene” compared to past contracts).
Not to jump into the Bradford pie fight below, but if Bradford isn’t here what is everybody’s preferred situation at QB for the year? The only circumstance that will have me livid is that if Bradford leaves without getting us some type of compensation from a tag and trade.
I’m really ok with journeyman (Chase Daniel perhaps) to start the year with having drafted Wentz or Goff.
I’m not sure how much I can talk myself into anybody worse than that from the draft, but I have a few guys I absolutely hate and don’t want on this roster.
Trade our next 5 first round picks for Cam. Jokes aside, it’s a pretty grim situation at QB and I’m glad that I’m not Howie.
Yeah, the situation is really brutal.
Find our Tyrod Taylor. Should be easy!
Results wise, sure. What names do you have?
Style wise; hell f-ing no.
Rg3 is the obvious guy to try rehab. He has had a year injury free and i think a lot of the ego issues should have been knocked out of him by this last year. There is talent to work with and maybe with the right coaching staff he can take a step up and achieve his potential.
Please no on RGMe. I’m not remotely interested in that guy coming here to wok on his brand.
What a nightmare that would be.. I think id rather have Tebow. And not many QBs beside RG3 could make me say that
I wouldn’t rather have Tebow, but RG3 is brutal.
At least everyone would know Tebow sucks instead of half the fools thinking Rg3 is a savior
Don’t make throw up… Prerequisite for any QB who has been in the NFL at least 3 years should be having the ability to actually male it to his second or third read lol
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Might as well bring back mIke Vick while your at it, or fish Donovan out of the drunk tank
Lol as if Tyrod TayLor is some franchise savior after one decent year that we should be striving for… I’ll be surprised if he is still the Bills QB two years from now
I think Greg was more speaking to finding a vet looking to prove something while we draft a rookie as opposed to handing over the keys long-term to Taylor.
Pederson thinks the draft is deep at OL and QB. So there is chance they look at a later round QB.
If Wentz or Goff is their guy then I think we should go get them. CLE is taking a QB off the board and Dallas, SD and CHI can go either way.
If they go later round QB, what names do you like?
I don’t even know. At point id just be crossing my fingers and thinking positively. I just we would get a vet who isn’t Sanchez
OMG I hate this line of thinking… People who want to swap Garbage Chase Daniels with Garbage Sanchez drive me insane… Making changes just for the sake of change ..
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Getting out of a deal to make a lateral change is absurd
Change can be good . . . because sometimes a team signs Tyrod Taylor (after he begged another team to sign him).
Wonder where Kelly would be if he’d done that instead of blowing a 2nd Rd pick on a QB he acquired with no way to keep him from hitting Free Agency after 1 season.
With this o-line………………..exactly in the same place. Taylor isn’t that good.
MM:
With those legs, Taylor may have made some lemonade out of lemon — like he did with the Bills.
I come back to the Bradford trade being bad *not* because Bradford isn’t better than what’s out there — but because of the 2nd Rd pick with no contract in place beyond 2015.
But those legs will always lead you into worse plays and/or injury. Which happened here in anyway with Bradford, but at least wasn’t done in a putrid style.
Or took a flier on Taylor instead of Tebow.
Boy, what a stupid move that was but the aura of Kellys’ genius at the time disguised it.
agreed.
hubris
Id slow down with the Taylor hype at this point…. He has a lot more to prove, I have seen running Qbs have a flash in a pan year before
I’m not hyping Taylor. My criticism is for Chip bringing in Tebow in general.
I don’t want him either. But if we grab a rookie I think we need a vet to compete with. I don’t think rookies QBs have to start day 1.
We have a garbage vet to compete with, his name is Sanchez,… You don’t lose both Sam and Garbage sanchez
I rather Pederson play QB than Sanchez
Simply to be rid of the “Sanchez is better than Bradford, but never got a good chance” people.
This isn’t a pro sanchez argument, it’s an anti Lateral move argument… I don’t want to get out of a contract just to add someone else that I don’t want
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sanchez as bad as he is, is equal to any backüp QB placeholder you want to replace him with… None are the answer, and change ismt worth it unless we are actually fixing a problem
There will be a good number of guys who are non-starting vets out there. I’m sure we can get one of those without a problem.
Go get them? With what? Your second round pick that we don’t have? Both 3rds? If free agency doesn’t work like we have learned too many times, how you going to fix the slop around the QB that led to mediocre bradford if you give away all our picks for a QB no one would Probabky care about if they weren’t talking out of QB desperatipn? We can’t afford to trade both 3rds, a first and third next year to move into the 5 or 6 range, Especially if Everypne knows we have no QB, they will bleed us dry
Moving from 13 into the top 10? What, a 1st, 3rd and 4th?
We aren’t winning anything in 2016. Might as well build this thing right. Without a QB you have nothing.
I rather find our guy grind it out than become the Rams or Texans
I agree, but I think G isn’t a big enough fan of Goff or Wentz to do that.
I’m just sick of starting a new QB every year.
Agreed. And I’m also sick of people trying to cheerlead garbage type QBs onto the roster as well.
Just fish Donovan out of the drunk Tank and let him compete with VICK and Sanchez… Sadly im not even sure Sanchez would win that QB battle.
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Who know’s, a drunk Donovam might play with some balls, stop throwing the ball at worm because he is scared of INTS, and the double vision could fix his accuracy problems … Genius
I wouldn’t even watch Eagles foot ball if that happened.
Without everything elses, you will think a QB sucks and want to get rid of him at best, at worst, you get the kid killed
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If we had more talemt, doubt as many people wouldbe wanting to get rid of sam right now
Even if we did spend 3 picks on a QB. I think we would be able to find an OG and OT depth. We might have to dip into FA some at other spots.
But we wouldn’t be sending the kid out there with the OL that got Vick killed
You must really love these QBs to be talking like this… I friggin WISH I felt the same
That’s why I said IF the team doesn’t believe in Bradford; and THEY think Wentz or Goff (or Lynch) can be THE guy.
If Howie and Pederson are sold on one of the top QBs then they need to get him. I rather they go after the guy they want then wait to draft MSII again
That’s being SUPER SOLD on a guy
That’s why they make the big bucks. If Howie and the mystery personnel guy cant draft then what’s the point of them being here?
Lol when the hell has HOWIE ever successfully scouted a QB?
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The QB is the one positipn that needs to be left up to the coaches… HOwie needs to deliver the QB that Pederson wants to bet his career on.
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I like Roseman, but don’t want him picking our QB or DBs…
Depends on the situation. getting to 8 or 9 probably can be done for a 3rd round pick. getting up much higher is hard because the elite talent tends to fall off after 6-7 so teams are loath to trade down.
Depends so much on the cowgirls and the 49ers. If they take a QB after the Browns then i think Rams or Texans get jumpy and will jump up. If 2 QB’s are left on the board then i think you can jump up to the Bears for a 4th and get the guy you want.
LOL the Cowboys can take the 2nd QB off the board at 4 and kill this whole scenario
Sanchez and Cardale or Hackenberger, they suck but they costs a cheaper draft pick than the QBs who suck and will cost a first round pick.. Heck give me Prescott in round 5 if they all suck
No thank you on Cardale. I don’t want a lazy and uncoachable player on the team.
If I donnt want any of them, give me the one that costs the lowest draft pick
I’m down with that mentality, but I’m looking for exact names to discuss.
Dak Prescott, hopefully in round 7, preferably Undrafted lol
F no.
Give me another 7th round QB name, and count Me in..
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Believe me when I say, I only WISH that I liked the QBs in this draft
Then your best answer might be; “draft one in 2017.”
I just don’t want to see our football team handed over to any garbage type QB>
Would you spend a 5th on the Bama QB?
No. If I’m going 5th round, I’d rather the Indiana kid to the Bama kid.
But I don’t like the Bama kid.
I think Dallas is taking a QB.
Would you spend the 13th on a top CB or Jaylon Smith if he slides that far
If Ramsey or Hargreaves; YES.
Jaylon Smith; no because 4-3 OLBs typically don’t provide enough impact to justify a pick that high.
But if they trade down I’d take Smith.
I’m a lot of guys are high on Eli Apple too
I can’t vibe on him at 13 right now.
Hopefully I trust next years QB class more… The smart move is retain Sam, which gives us about 2 or 3 drafts to find the RIGHT yoûng QB, instead of dumping valuable picks into whoever the best QB we can get it.. Id rather tie up 20mil in Sam, and actually HIT ON OUR DRAFT PICKS building the team, instead of having an extra 20mil in cap space and dumping picks in whoever the best QB is that we can get, which is what the Browns did for the past decade..
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Since I believe that it’s ridiculuos to just assume we can draft a franchise QB whenever we need one, retaining Bradford gives us a few drafts to find the right kid to turn over our future to.
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Hitting on our draft picks for two years is the onlyI way of buildimg the team we want.. Investing valuabke picks in QBs you like but don’t love to me is worse than tying up Cap space.. Free agency is fools gold, and you can always free up Cap space, we can’t get the picks back that we wasted on DANNY Watkins… Misfiring on draft picks is how we got here, dumping picks into QBs we aren’t in love with is the worst thing we could do as far as I’m concerned…
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I want the players that give us the best chance of winning the next 3 years, and Sam became one of our better offensive players..
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Generally speaking, I believe in replacing veteran starters after you have a young player behind him that you trust to take over… Not getting rid of starters and then looking for his replacement out of desperation. We have way too many holes to be creating more, and we damn sure need to hit on picks for two straight years to get out of this rut… Without hitting on draft picks, and building up the team, the QB won’t even matter
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I believe that there are a lot of QBs you can win a SUPERBOWL with, IF you put the right team around them
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No one can ever convince me that Sam won’t play better than Peytonhas this year
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/31/10880502/eagles-sam-bradford-debate-free-agent-contract-franchise-tag-teams-market-quarterback
Bleeding Green just jumped into the debate
Some times I just feel like Kempski and the BGN guys just watch the IB discussions to get ideas.
I have the answer to our QB and WR situation. Draft Braxton Miller and just make him play both positions. Best value!!
So he can fumble the snap and drop the pass?
Miller was pretty good with ball security.
Wonderful drop he had yesterday however.
Well he has been a WR for a year. His hands aren’t all that bad but he’s certainly not going to be a physical WR.
I’m sure he can certainly improve there, I just hate him being discussed as a QB.
His route running is already nice. He was eating guys up during the week
Comment of the day
Some of the pass options off the jet sweep could be lovely to behold in an offence willing to use it. I am in on Miller if he is there in the 3rd.
Or watching the INTs pile up.
If Chip was still here Miller would be his highest ranked player due to his versitility.
Tall, stout, fast . . . and once played QB.
Have to love the simplicity of all things Kelly.
And he’s hurt all the time! Another plus!
If Bradford does leave then I do think that Sanchez will be in competition with whoever we bring in and will win due to his familiarity with the guys here already. The Sanchize dream isn’t dead yet.
The sanchez dream? That’s like saying, “our Dream 5 win season” lol
Could be the case…………if you’re trying to go full Hinkie and get the top pick in 2017.
I’d rather see Morris or Thad Lewis.
Morris is gone isn’t he? Thad isn’t any better than Sanchez I think.
I’ll take “mathematical properties of the number zero” for $400 Alex.
So what if they’re gone, bring em back if shitty Sanchez is the alternative. I don’t care if they’re better or not. Why do you want to get 15th pick again and have the same discussion in a year while Cox best years go by lol. But Sanchez won’t last anyway.
Uhh Morris isn’t on the team anymore. Ok and whose fault is that? This team didn’t have this many holes before Chip decided to run his experiments here.
I didn’t realize Indy signed Morris for this year too.
You know what’s stupid? Thad Lewis is going to be an UFA anyway. So, with 1 game left in the reg season you can’t cut him and promote Morris for the 1 meaningless game so you have him on the roster next offseason? I’m sure if you gave him the choice of signing with the Eagles or signing with the Colts he’d pick the team he’s familiar with. Morris signing with Indianapolis happened right before Chip was fired.
I guess Chip didn’t like his progression enough to get rid of an useless vet.
Chips running of the pro personnel department as a whole this year was atrocious.
Sanshite..
I was in Mark’s corner for a long time but… the dream is dead. If Bradford walks and the Eagles bring in a young qb, Sanchez might be here for a year or two, a la Doug Pederson, but that should be about the extent of it.
I doubt anyone looks at Samchez as anything nore than a place holder
You’re probably right. After his first couple years with the Jets, I thought he showed real potential. Then I thought Chip would revive his career. Now, I guess place holder about sums it up.
Calvin Johnson reportedly told the Lions at the end of the year that he was retiring. Lions still holding out hope he changes his mind.
Retire retire or “please trade me” retire?
And Calvin Johnson is a bit of a piece of shit for his one catch 10 yard performance in fantasy semi-final week vs. the Saints “D” that cost me appx $400.
Sounds like retire retire.
Hopefully with some very painful chronic conditions in that case.
BOOO!!!!
You can un-boo if you’ve got the $ to give me to make up the $400 difference from first to third in my money league.
No offense, but screw fantasy football. If you choose to bet on that, you have no one to blame but yourself when you don’t do well. Reminds me of the people who were mad at Westbrook when he took a knee at the 1-yard line against Dallas.
I
was
robbed
That’s a shame. Another one a generation player ruined by Detroit.
It would be less shameful if Johnson didn’t retire 2 weeks early.
Hey Gary Bettman; F YOU!
John Scott just got a huge ovation at the All Star game.
QBs that might be traded and have experience
EJ Manuel
Mike Glennon
Zach Mettenberger
Geno Smith
TJ Yates
Not a good list if you ask me
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Lol I agree
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brilliant
Glennon who I don’t think is a good leader but Jason Licht probably wants more than I’d want them to give up (like a 5th or 6th round pick).
We should just take back Foles if we try to trade for Glennon.
Then trade Bradford to SF for 2nd round pick.
That would be hilarious
Plus Licht is still upset about being owned by Howie and wouldn’t do business with us.
Drew Stanton might be a guy worth taking a look at too.
If you’re going the “temp guy until we can start our rookie” route, than Stanton is a good name for that.
Dumping the sanchez contract for Drew Stanton is a later move, lateral moves are silly
What are you trying to accomplish next year? If you’re looking to have more money available for contract extensions and groom a rookie you like; Stanton would save you a few mil over Sanchez.
Honestly, I don’t think Stanton would be less expensive than Sanchez. Maybe in terms of 2016 cap hit, but I think his contract would average around the same amount as Sanchez’s does.
Stanton is about $1.75 mil cheaper cap in 2015 than Sanchez. Hopefully that would continue in 2016.
We’re also trading Sanchez to SF for their 1st in my plan!
Sigń Colt McCoy while you are at it
I dont know about Zach Mettenbreger, but Ive heard Dicky Mettenberg is a player.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/super-bowl-stumbles-san-franciscos-haves-vs-nots-192722051–nfl.html
It doesn’t surprise me that the NFL is trying to sanitize SF as much as possible by having the city shuffle around the homeless population including additional temporary resources, over in Oakland/East Bay, etc.
Of all the mainstream news sites out there though, the commentators on Yahoo News articles might be the worst.
A sad byproduct of an event like this. Shame all of the homeless don’t hold week-long demonstrations at every event associated with the Super Bowl.
They would be arrested. There actually have been a bunch of protests this weekend and last week in SF including outside of a bunch of Super Bowl related-events.
I have talked to a few friends and they have said it has been a nightmare to get around the last week or so. A bunch of major tech employers in town told their workforces to stay simply telecommute the last 2 weeks.
Shame more of them aren’t showing up than can be arrested.
Asked my friend who lives right near the Embarcadero (by AT&T Park) and he said there have been a crap load of police and state troopers all week with all kind of additional security set up.
Works down in Redwood City at Oracle and said he has basically just been holed up the past week or so. Been a nightmare to get around anywhere.
Amazing all of the disruption for an event that we spend about 4 hours watching.
Yeah. Basically has become a light-version of a DMZ with all kind of additional security set up that makes biking (his preferred way of getting around) and walking very difficult.
All the better reason to move the Raiders to Vegas and have the Super Bowl there every year.
Can’t imagine the NFL letting the Raiders move to Vegas under any circumstances even if I support legalized sport gambling nationally.
Foolish now to pretend that bookies/shylocks/organized crime simply don’t fill that vacuum instead just as did with numbers rackets before states authorized the lotteries.
And with betting fully legalized, you can actually better monitor for aberrant bets that might indicate a potential fix of a game.
I heard that Alaska needs a team..
The amount of tax revenue SF’s government will receive plus all the additional money that will be pumped into the economy more than offsets the money SF will be paying to host the event.
Hopefully that revenue comes in as promised and goes to something worthwhile.
The Pope’s visit to Philly fell WELL below expected levels of revenue for the city.
I’m not even going to get started on a debate about which mega-entity, the NFL or Catholic Church, is more skilled at taking money from others! Nope, not going to touch that one.
No doubt.
When you close down most of Center City then of course you’re not going to make any money.
In terms of the economy, yeah but I highly doubt the revenues in the city’s coffers will offset the police and emergency responders overtime costs.
Police working a 60-70 hr week get insanely expensive especially in a city like SF with the overtime and/or event pay.
That is my understanding for most big events, but I’m not sure if the Super Bowl is more lucrative for the host city than a normal event.
It’s estimated that SF will pay $4-5M in expenses to host the Super Bowl. Now of course, with just about any estimate you’ll ever get on how much something will cost, that’s probably on the low side. Taxes should generate about $10M in revenues though. All in all, it will probably be close to a wash.
You should what Cities do to prepare for the Olympics
Seoul shipped all of their homeless folks into internment camps for the 88 summer games.
I would think that letting them stay at SF is the best idea. All of the cheaper places to stay is outside of SF and commuting in is a lot cheaper. Then again I’ve only been to SF twice for family visits so I don’t know that much.
All Star game over. Metro team eliminated, so no reason to keep watching.
you’re absolutely wrong. There was just a sequence of three consecutive breakaways–save, save, goal. Adam Scott just scored his second goal. This is the most entertaining all star game I’ve ever seen.
Doesn’t involve any Philly player; so F it.
Didn’t earlier either. Didn’t look like Giroux was even trying.
He was out there at least, so I wanted to see him. Once his night was done, so was I.
Sheesh, I went to dinner and this thread blew up. AC, you keep referring to the fact that why would Sam sign a 2-3 year contract. Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t almost all contracts basically 2 or 3 year contracts? Based on the proration of the signing bonus, contracts are basically about the guaranteed money. The top QBs have gotten between $20 to $40 million in guaranteed money (Aaron Rodgers was an outlier at $54 million). At $16 to $22 million per year, almost at all QBs can be cut after year 3 with minimal impact. Remember that $100 million contract we gave Vick? That didn’t harm the team did it?
This is basically my whole point with Sam. Regardless whether we sign him to a 7 year $150 million contact or a 5 year $100 million contract, its all about the guaranteed money. Russell Wilson resigned last year, and only got $32 million guaranteed. If Sam signs a contract with similar guarantees and Howie makes sure it isn’t really back loaded that much with the signing bonus, wouldn’t that really make any contract he signed a 2 year deal?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t almost all contracts basically 2 or 3 year contracts?
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Not starting QB contracts negotiated by Bradford’s agent, Tom Condon.
Maybe be a natural result of allocating bonuses generally substantially larger than non-QBs. (except Suh — which is a horrible contract)
Regarding Wilson, he did an extension with 1-year remaining on his rookie deal — with 8 figure cap hits for 4 years, plus a $6.2 M cap hit in year 5.
Wow, I looked at the contracts he did for Brees, Ryan, Romo, and Alex Smith. Holy crap are they back-loaded! I absolutely see your point now.
I always thought they were done like that for short-term cap relief at request of the team. You are inferring Condon does them that way on purpose. Now that I did look at them, there is no way Howie would ever give a player a back-loaded contract like that. They are an absolute albatross around a teams neck. They all have a lot of dead money through the life of the contract.
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That’s why I’ve commented that with Bradford, it may be more about the structure of the contract than the amount of money involved.
And the best way to force Bradford to accept a deal with a 2-3 year out is to let him test FA (a la BGraham).
By then, though, the Eagles may move on.
Dave:
Regarding QB contracts . . . if they’re good enough, they have the leverage to make sure they don’t have to find a new home every 2-3 years.
Lots of QBs end up short-term deals.
They’re the vagabonds — like Fitzpatrick.
We know Bradford has no desire to do that.
And he has lots of bank to focus more on a long-term commitment than a break-the-bank deal.
But I’m sure Condon’s trying for both.
Understanding this now, I see no way that we would have traded for him without an extension in place if Howie was in charge. I can’t imagine a scenario where Howie would approve an contract with $20 to $30 million in dead money in years 4 or 5. Chip’s lack of understanding in contracts really shows why he should not have been the GM.
With my newfound knowledge, I honestly highly doubt Sam is back unless he makes serious concessions, and I don’t see that happening. Looks like I’m going to be glued to the TV during the qb sessions of the combine.
Thanks for your input AC
Dave:
It’s not as thought the Eagles won’t do a LT deal with a QB that is not easily terminated after 2-3 years.
Once upon a time, McNabb was the highest paid QB in the NFL under a 12-year $115 million extension signed in his 4th year (his FA year).
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/donovan-mcnabb/cash-earnings/
It was in reality a 6-year deal that didn’t take long — with the cap exploding in the ’00s — to become a pretty good bargain.
But McNabb proved his worth. He’d been to the playoffs 3 times in 4 years, plus 2 NFC title games.
And he was in his 4th year. Not entering his 7th.
This is why I say, “who wants to be Howie Roseman?”
This really comes down to Sam. If he likes his teammates and ownership and the new coaches, he can choose to stay. If money is the most important factor, he’ll probably be gone.
I don’t really see any team giving him a poorly structured long term contract with his injury history.
Looking at the Tom Brady contract vs the Drew Brees contract, its easy to see who values repeated chances of winning it all vs making every available dollar. Brees contract really hampers the Saints shot at winning.
No ProBowl game preview, Tommy? No game thread. For shame. For shame.
How am I supposed know what strategy and alignments to watch?
He’s working on his PB GDR already…
Hopefully, he is working on a few PB PBRs.
Nah Tommy just echoes the sentiments of 92.3% (est.) of the NFL casual fans who could care less about the Pro Bowl.
Worst All-Star game among the major sports and by a wide margin.
Jenkins looked lost!
I think/hope he had the flat. Sherman left ODB wide open too
I would give a Kingsdom ransom for DeAndre Hopkins.
Yep. Imagine him with an actual QB throwing to him. It wouldn’t be fair.
He became my favourite non-Eagle in a hurry….
OK, can they bench Cox now?
You think maybe that is the reason he has no extension yet? The team just wants him to get through the Pro bowl uninjured and then they will finalize the deal this week.
I was actually thinking the same. God forbid if Cox ….
Thought never crossed my mind
If you’re concerned about that, then both as the team and the player(his agent) you have him “cramp up” during practice and skip the game.
LOL flagged for playing too hard
I know I’m a little late but Hopkins torched Peters. INTs aren’t the end all or be all for a CB. Peters lack of recovery speed showed on that play and Hopkins is far from a burner.
He’s a good physical press CB but he isn’t all that quick or fast. But Hopkins burns a lot of CBs. 4.41 is blazing speed.
4.41? Hopkins ran like a 4.6..
Pro day. And going by eye test on game days; he is closer to a low 4.4 than 4.6
Pro day 40 times are always .1 faster. It’s completely bogus.
All that matters is what shows up on Sunday. And Hopkins lights up guys on a regular basis.
4.57 at the combine.
http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4111/
Hopkins is a top 3 WR. Peters is not a top 3 CB..
It is a pretty high standard to criticize a CB for getting beat by Hopkins.
I would understand if you get beat by him if he boxed you out but Peters made Hopkins look like Djax on that play.
Regardless, Hopkins makes a lot of corners look pedestrian.
LOL. Ask DeAngelo Hall
First your Sanchize affirmation and now your Hopkins hatred. I am seriously starting to worry about you, mate.
What hatred? I fucking love Hopkins. I’m just stating what I see.
The Sanchez thing is a joke..geez germans are so humorless.
Haha. Ze German was just busting your balls, mein Freund.
I wouldn’t try to analyze players based off of Pro Bowl play. They don’t care, nor should they. They’re giving their wives/girlfriends vacations to Hawaii. They just need to get through the game without getting injured. It’s more like an enjoyable afternoon out with your friends playing flag football.
Looked like he was trying to me.
Bradford doesn’t make that kind of throw.
I would hope he wouldn’t throw a ball up for grabs like that in a game that mattered
Of course he wouldn’t. He would have either overthrown it, checked it down to a RB, or it would have bounced off the WRs hand.
I think you’re confusing him with Sanchize…
Nah maybe Foles..actually maybe Foles and Sanchez = Bradford??
How could he if he’s not playing tonight?!
But Bradford’s the best QB around here since McNabb.
Hell, best spiral since Van Brocklin.
Isn’t that reason enough to pay him whatever he wants so he doesn’t go to Free Agency?
I’d argue that Vick had the better spiral.
definitely more velocity
Julio outran the throw
way too much air on the ball.
I’d never thought I see Chad Pennington 2.0 in the Pro Bowl.
Darren Sproles repping.
Celebrating with Julio, he looked half his size.
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