What’s Up With McDermott?
Posted: January 12th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 127 Comments »Sean McDermott was a terrific assistant coach for the Eagles from 2002-2008. He then succeeded Jim Johnson as defensive coordinator and held that job for two seasons, offering mixed results. Andy Reid fired him at that point and McDermott was hired by Ron Rivera to be part of his staff with the Panthers. McDermott has been the DC down there for five seasons and has put up excellent results.
McDermott is young, smart and successful. But there isn’t much buzz about him right now. Why?
I don’t have any concrete answers. I do have some guesses. First, McDermott was fired by Reid after only 2 years. Some people around the league know why that happened, but I’m sure plenty don’t. On field results were only part of the picture. Put simply, McDermott did not handle his promotion to DC well, on or off the field.
I’m sure there are teams that saw a very loyal coach like Reid letting a long time assistant go and filed away the notion that “That is not a good sign for Sean. Something must be up with that. “If those teams are not part of the Reid circle, they may not have a good feel for the situation to this day.
There is also the question of just how much of Carolina’s success is McDermott’s. His Eagles defenses were 12th in yards allowed in both 2009 and 2010. They were 19th and 21st in points. McDermott goes to work for a defensive head coach like Ron Rivera and his numbers are suddenly much stronger.
Rivera ran the Bears defense from 2004-2006 and the Chargers defense from 2008-2010. In 2005 the Bears were 2nd in yards and #1 in points allowed. They slipped to 5th in yards and 3rd in points in 2006. Rivera’s defenses in San Diego improved each year and in 2010 they led the NFL in total defense and were 10th in points allowed. So Rivera coached for two teams and put elite units on the field with both.
I think you are being dumb or naive if you believe that Rivera has not had a major impact on the success of the Panthers defense. McDermott is a good coach. He can come up with elaborate gameplans and he’s very bright. But his track record alone is nothing like Rivera’s. The Eagles were historically bad in Red Zone defense under McDermott. At one point in 2010, teams had scored TDs on 26 of 33 Red Zone possessions. That’s insane.
The question really is how much of an impact has Rivera had. He gives McDermott all the credit, which is what a good head coach should do. But reality tells you that McDermott is only part of the equation.
If you want the negative spin on things, you have McDermott getting fired by the most loyal coach in the league after just 2 years on the job and then having his only true success at a new team who is run by a defensive guru. And even then, the Panthers defense has only been outstanding since the arrival of Luke Kuechly, who looks like he could be on his way to a Hall of Fame type career.
Last week, Reuben Frank wrote that he thinks McDermott is the guy the Eagles should hire. Roob made a logical argument with a lot of good points. Go read that for the argument for McDermott.
I’m not against McDermott. He was a terrific assistant for the Eagles for a long time. I’m happy he’s having success in Carolina and I hope he does become a head coach. I don’t think he’s right for the Eagles right now. Late in his tenure here, some players really disliked McDermott. They didn’t think he was a good teacher/communicator. They thought his gameplans were too complicated. Elaborates X’s and O’s on paper are great, but they fail in reality if you can’t teach them and/or don’t have the right people to execute those ideas. Some players did love McDermott, but more than a couple were thrilled to see him gone.
I’m sure McDermott has changed. Time does that. Getting out of the shadow of Jim Johnson was hugely important for him. I also think working for Rivera has helped quite a bit. That said, the Eagles are coming off the Chip Kelly era and need someone that can build relationships. They need a strong leader and communicator. I’m not sure McDermott is at that point quite yet.
Tampa and Cleveland have interviewed McDermott. Some think he’s got a legit shot at the Bucs job. Still, there isn’t much buzz about him. McDermott went on 97.5 recently to discuss…a bit of everything. It felt a bit like a PR move to generate interest in him as an coaching candidate (Eagles and otherwise). I can’t recall a hot assistant coach doing an interview quite like that, but I could be wrong. I think McDermott would desperately love to get the Eagles job. He’s from Philly and was part of the organization when it had tremendous success.
McDermott will eventually get a head coaching job. I don’t get the feeling it will be this year, but we’ll see. He actually might be a great fit for the Bucs. Give him a franchise QB and a defense with some young talent to work with and McDermott might deliver strong results. Unless he’s with a division rival, I’ll be pulling for McDermott when he does get a job.
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Some people are frustrated that the Eagles haven’t hired a coach yet. I think league matters have affected the team. Jeff Lurie and the rest of the owners were in Houston all day Tuesday to vote on teams relocating to L.A. He also had to attend a meeting in New York over the weekend. Those are not exactly minor distractions.
Lurie will be back in Philly on Wednesday and can then focus on finding a new coach to relocate to Philly.
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Tom Coughlin update.
Jeffrey Lurie told Steve Tisch his meeting with Tom Coughlin went 'very well' #Eagles #giants
— Jordan Raanan (@JordanRaanan) January 13, 2016
How crazy would it be to have Coughlin as the Eagles coach? He really does make a lot of sense with his experience and ability to connect with players.
Coughlin did interview with the 49ers. I think he might be perfect for that team. They need stability as much as any organization in the NFL. Coughlin would provide stability and leadership there.
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If the 49ers were on the East Coast, I think they’d be a lock. With all his family on the East Coast, I doubt he wants to move all the way out there for 5 months out of the year.
If we can give Shurmur a pass for his time with Chip, maybe we can give SD a pass b/c of his time with Ron?
That said, there’s tons of coordinators that work under gurus and fail on their own.
OFF TOPIC: Apparently the Eagles will play the Rams here in L.A. during the 2017 season. I’d better get in the car now…
Think tickets will be outrageous for first year of rams?
Definitely. With so many transplants, everyone will want to see their “home” team without having to travel or put on a jacket. But, I also think that the novelty will die down before the native population really embraces the team. New stadium will help… if it’s two teams, that won’t help. (Oh, and early, Ravens-level success will obviously help).
Are there really enough fans out there to support a fourth team in the state? I understand the Rams have a history, but that option makes the least sense to me.
Edit: Well, except for two teams. I thought that was a joke when I first read it.
at the Coliseum. i’d wait till they come back in 2025
BUT, you could swing next door to the L.A. Science Center and see Space Shuttle Endeavor!
(NOTE: That’s meant to be sarcastic, but I actually went there last month and it was pretty cool.)
i saw body works there!
I missed it… was it creepy?
when i first walked in, realizing what it was, yes. i had no idea what i was getting into. then, it was pretty cool cause it wasnt just bones and muscle, showed things like lymph nodes. but ending was rough, had pregnant woman, like 7-8 months, died in car accident, had her stomach 1/4 cutout and could see baby, etc. i’m just not into those things. have never seen a Halloween or Friday 13th, and even something like ‘The grudge”, that music starts up, i’m asking if anyone needs a drink or all of a sudden dog needs to go out.
If you find space, the ISS and NASA in general very interesting, may I suggest a novel by Tess Gerritsen called ‘Gravity’. (It’s not the same as the movie) She writes mystery and suspense and after reading this book I wanted both to go “out there” and yet, stay here.
After reading, check this out if you want to become a little nervous.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/looking-for-the-origins-of-life-in-a-b-c-lake-1.1064427
The Rose Gardens are wonderful as well…
I’ll definitely come out there and visit for a game- though I’d prefer a trip to London instead…
There’s a twitter report out there that the Eagles are going to have a 2nd interview with Coughlin and offer him the job, but it’s not from anyone with a track record.
It seems it’s coming from a young man with spina bifida. He interviewed Tebow.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/video/#!/news/sports/Eagles-Help-Young-Fans-Dream-Come-True/322606351
Ryan Woodham is a teenager living with spina bifida, but also gives back by raising money for pediatric cancer research. The Philadelphia Eagles made his dreams come true by giving him a special invitation to training camp and having him interview key players.
Ryan T. Woodhams@CRASHSports1
#49ers interview with Coughlin was in NYC ended w/out an offer. reportedly set for 2nd meeting with #Eagles where offer is expected to come.
Are you saying it’s a slow person, or just an average speed person? Track records can be won in high school, which isn’t as impressive as say a college or Olympic record.
“Some people are frustrated that the Eagles haven’t hired a coach yet.”
To me, that’s just a sign that it’s going to be Peterson, made official once KC goes down (which, unfortunately, may well be this weekend).
That would be disappointing.
fuck jesus christ coughlin would be worse than pederson.
this is why we can’t have nice things.
goddammit lurie. you burned it all down didn’t you.
he just doesnt really have a clue
the first hour of the interview, i’d have asked the same question, just reworded about 25 times…”why did you go 1-5 against Davis’ defense?’ “how if the world did you lose 5 out of 6 to Davis?”, “you only won 1 game against Davis. you have to be shitting me, right?”
But he’s got a good track record against the Patriots, and that’s all Jeff needs.
none of the candidates are all that great
I keep getting Shurmur mixed up with Pederson.
Word from the local Philly stations is that the Eagles have no more interviews lined up. That’s not to say they won’t schedule anymore but it could also mean they already know who they are going to select. If they already know, the only candidate they couldn’t announce would be Doug Pederson. It’s very possible he’s the guy.
Personally, I’m not big on Pederson and as I try to analyze why, I just keep thinking that his success is riding the coat tails of Reid. When Reid hired him to be OC of the Chiefs, it was said Reid needed someone he knew well to take the position and not give him any pushback. Reid is an offensive minded coach and calls the offensive plays. What does Pederson do? How much input does he actually give in KC? Can he step up and take the reigns of an entire team? I think there’s less chance he can if he’s restricted in his current position.
“Word from local Philly stations” scares me. I have never heard sports talk radio anywhere in the county (well, maybe Chicago) that’s as bad as the crap that’s on the two “flagship” stations. Lowest common denominator hosts bring out lowest common denominator callers.
I don’t mean to be critical of you, Rob. It’s just the source of your information. I do think the information is correct from other more credible sources.
Philly sports radio is an abomination. A sess pool of ignorance and stupidity
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Every radio host had been calling for chip to be fired all season long, yet on Mondays,radio host were saying that we may have made a mistake Fring chip too soon…. What a joke..
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We are better off just visiting the sport radio website and listening to the interviews with special Guests, but listening to the actual broadcast is unbearable
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Soon they will move to the draft talk, Where every year Philly media has this amazing ability to fall in love with the one prospect that has zero chance being drafted by the Eagles, last year the media blowhards literally spent every day talking about this trade for Mariota fairytale, and when they weren’t talking about that pipe dream, they were ranting and Raving about Landon Collins, a player who was,probably removed from our draft board all togeher… Even more ridiculous was 2013 draft, the obsession with wanting to draft over rated Dee Milner with the #4th pick…
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Fans are really better off not allowing radio hosts to pollute our opinipns with hosts stupidity and ignorance… Better off only using the radio to hear interviews from people that matter, instead of givng an irresponsible voice to some moronic radio Host….. Now that Guber Geoff Mosher thinks he is gods gift to sports radio smh
The news I heard came from the local Philly NBC and CBS stations. I haven’t lived in the Philly area for about 15 years now but I try to keep track of things like this by visiting local media outlets as well as national. I figure the local media should have more of an inside track since Philly sports is all they cover although I understand that may not be the case. You gotta take what you can get though.
610 is entertaining to listen to but I certainly wouldn’t take any of their speculation as fact. There are no beat writers or journalists on that station, just a bunch of “experts” and I use that term loosely, who have opinions, take callers, then beat up the callers with their “expert knowledge”.
Please for the love of god, not Coughlin. His track record with the Giants are terrible unless you believe he can bring the 2007 Giants defense and Eli’s play off magic (hard to use that when you never make it).
The Giants since 2007 is worse than ours despite us firing 2 coaches.
guess you missed the 2011 season….not advocating TC, just saying…
“and Eli’s play off magic (hard to use that when you never make it).”
So unless you think Coughlin can pull another rabbit out of his hat, there is a great chance he brings us a worse record than the combination of Reid+Kelly brought us last 8 seasons.
“The Giants since 2007 is worse than ours despite us firing 2 coaches.”
They won a SB in 2011…they’ve been worlds better. Since we don’t have a playoff win. That’s what I meant…sorry for the confusion.
I’m not saying he’s great. But – of the lesser evils(and maybe someone pops up we haven’t heard about that’s exciting) – I think he’d be a better choice than Peterson.
How do you know that? Look at the Giants teams over the last 5 years, outside of 1 lucky run, how good was they?
Since 2008 we are 13-3 against them and that is with great DCs like McDermott, Castillo and Davis running the show. We even managed a shutout against them
ok (and this is more me talking to myself into such a choice with no knowledge to any situation. If I don’t put a disclaimer people take my posts as facts) …
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Day 1 of DP: “ok, Howie – what do we do know”
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Day 1 of PC: “Howie, this is what we need to do”
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PC failures of not beating the Eagles has nothing to do with how things would go here.(He’s not the DC) Does that mean if he comes here he’ll start losing to the Giants? PC also treats NE as his personal whipping boy. I know people like to say “magic” on their runs to SB Victories. Every team has to have some luck/magic on any run. Vikings missing a fg I can make. Wilson scrambling from a 20 yard sack to a huge gain. Etc Etc.
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Can DP realistically evaluate the QB situation here and make suggestions? Building a franchise is extremely tough. Then throw in an inexperienced HC to do the task. I don’t like those odds…
Coughlin has a losing record since 2011, that means he failed at some point in his coaching or decision to hire the right OC/DC
true. But AR track record here in Philly his last couple of years. He single handily sent this organization spiraling. People in KC were probably saying “wtf – why hire that coach after what he just did in Philly” … The other side of the coin is — trusting DP to hire the right people.
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Hopefully, this talk is all for nothing as neither one will be hired….
I don’t want COUGHLIN at all, nor do I think the Eagles want to give a coach the power it would take to get COUGHLIN… But if im being fair, I blame GM REESE much more for the Giants failures than I blame Coughlin…
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Hopefully he won’t be our coach, although I think Eagles fans would be very happy to hire him because he is the only name brand Candidae, which is a stupid reason to wamt a coach, but no one ever said philly fans were smart
What about the Rooney rule if they give the job to TC….won’t the NFL have it out for Lurie? Unless they actually interviewed Austin…they were already annoyed w/ the Duce interview..
What can the NFL do? They gave him an honest interview that he requested him self.
Not that they can do anything per se, but don’t need the commish taking revenge on us w his bs justice if something does happen. No need to deal w Patriots level garbage.
This was really well-written and hit all of the key points; McDermott’s proven negatives and vast unknowns far outweigh any potential one could deduce from how well Carolina plays on D.
Thoughts on the guys from this? I know the Bama TE generated some chat on here the other day.
Round 1 Pick 21 (WASH): Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (B)
Round 2 Pick 21 (WASH): Max Tuerk, C/OG, Southern California (B+)
Round 3 Pick 13: Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Travin Dural, WR, LSU (A)
Round 3 Pick 21 (WASH): O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (B+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A-)
Round 5 Pick 13: Trent Matthews, FS, Colorado State (A-)
Round 5 Pick 21: Lloyd Carrington, CB, Arizona State (B+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Tyler Johnstone, OT, Oregon (B+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 31: Josh Ferguson, RB, Illinois (A+)
Love it, although i think i am giving up on trading down for Wentz… if you want him you either have to take him at 13 or move up a little.
Not sure Wentz go that early. He is a FCS QB and they rarely get selected early.
Didn’t Flacco go that early?
He went 18th or 2nd QB taken in a bad QB class and overall weak draft class.
Of course some team might fall in love with him, but I just think Goff, Lynch and even Cook will go before him. Hackenberg might even go before because of his 5 star recruit ranking
What do the grades in parentheses mean, Mike?
Its the simulator tha give you a grade based on your teams need and the ranking of the player
Thank you, sir.
Fuck wentz… We have SAM Bradford
half kidding/half serious. Chip made moves without a plan B (DJ/Mac/Mathis etc) — it looks as if Lurie/Howie did the same thing. Without an viable candidates – why fire CK in year 1 of his plan? Maybe they should have given him another year(not sure what happened behind closed doors with CK and Lurie) to adjust how he does things.
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Now it appears they’ll be picking from a pile of crap and giving that coach 3 years. I’ll be open minded but hard to get excited about Peterson. I know, I know the Cardinal AR gives him praise. AR is the same guy that hired an OL coach to be the DC…..
“I’ll be open minded”…the rest of your post says otherwise.
Yes, “pile of crap” certainly sounds like someone who is “open minded.”
Open minded means — if they hire Pederson, I won’t be on the boards complaining everyday. IF they hire him, I’ll reserve judgment for at least a year. That still doesn’t mean — their choices are very exciting…
open-minded: willing to consider new ideas; unprejudiced.
You sir, are definitely not open-minded.
negative nelly: someone that is negative, doesnt look at the bright side of things and complains
you mean – the one of like 3 guys that still don’t support the firing if CK is a negative Nelly? They guy who openly supported getting rid of DJ/McCoy a negative guy?
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I think you confuse negative with facts. DP is not a great candidate. Why is that negative?
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I don’t like the idea of PC but I can get behind his experience. how is that negative? I’m failing to see your logic. I can get behind that decision more than DP. Again — I’m not seeing how that is negative…
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One thing I am not — is a believer in rainbows and uni-corns and believe every single move that the Eagles make is the greatest move since slice bread.
– doesn’t look at the bright side of things and complains
Do you look at the bright side of things? Definitely no!
Do you complain? Definitely yes!
You are the exact definition of a negative nelly. Own it, most on this board are proud of this trait. If you want to change, try looking at the bright side of things and stop complaining.
Read my posts below about PC. IMHO – that is seeing he bright side of him as a hire. What’s the bright side of DP being hired?
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You’re confusing two different things(and definitions) …. What IS the bright side of things? What IS the bright if hiring DP? I mean — what are the good facts that are going to happen if we hire him? You don’t know. Neither do I. So I can’t jump up and down and start singing in the streets because the Eagles have solved all their issues. What I can do, is question DP. By questioning him(and they are valid questions) — why is that being negative.
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I am being keeping Bradford. Why? I think he has a body of work that’s manageable. I guess that’s me being negative again. I don’t like Huff. Why? He hasn’t shown me he’s an NFL caliber player we were hoping for. Is that me being negative? I guess so.
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What exactly is the bright side of things right now?
I didn’t mean to touch a nerve. I take back what I said, you are a positive, open-minded person. I would say you are an optimist; one who usually expects a favorable outcome.
Unfortunately I think yeàr 1 won’t really tell us if we hired the right coach Or not.. Usually a coaching change provides some initial spark, which is understandable because all the players get a clean slate and have to compete to earn jobs all over again,where as starters might get a little complacement going into year 4 with the same coach…
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With Sam Bradford, and improved OL, I think we could see the Eagles ride the initial spark of a coaching change to a quality 2016 season possibly even winning the division… But what happens after year 1, IMO will tell us if we hired the right coach…. Andy Reid was able to build on yeàr 1, then he was able to build on year 2, and a few years later we were in the Confrence title game.. ANDYs trajectory was pointing upwards the first 4 years.. The initial spark from hiring Chip led us to a quality 2013 season winning the division, yet chip was never able to build on the initial success he enjoyed in 2013. After the 2013 season ended, it was a down hill trajectory from there… 2014 we missed the playoffs, and needed an insane amount of ST TDs to finish with the same record as the year before but we missed the playoffs..lnstead of rebounding and building on the dissapointing 2014 season, we went full on 2015 Nose Dive…
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Even if we see the new coach bring immediate improvements next season, whether or not he can build on next season and continuosly improve the first 3 or 4 years will tell us if we hired the right coach… How the new coach is able to keep the team together during the bad times is also very telling. As soon as the Eagles started to encounter real adversity, players started to run their mouths and Chip Kelly’s Wartz started to show, and we found out that chip failed to build the Cultire he jettisoned so much talemt to create
Hey hey. Just note we had a few peices under Reid, and we got McNabb. Eagles drafting a lot later now, so, anothwr trip to the bottom is required. Which sucks.
Well I suppose you mean the KC OC named Pederson right?
LOL yes – typo.
if they could have taken GM role away from Kelly, he might have stood a chance. i was a kelly guy till the end, but the thought of giving a desperate GM Kelly one last swing, could have gutted the team for 3-4 yrs. 1st, it sounded like he was ready to open up the bank vault for SB and more importantly, Condom (Howie’s a conniving little weasel, but i trust him w/ contracts). plus you have Murray’sand Maxwell’s contracts staring you in face 2nd, didn have any idea how bad locker room was. when you lose JP, you’ve plum fucked up! 3rd, Kelly at the end was being less than truthful w/ media. have no issue w/ coaches half-truth usually, but kelly was getting little carried away.
He was certainly desperate at the end. He didn’t have the confidence he showed when he first got here. He could have talked with Lurie and Lurie said we’re bringing in a GM to fix this mess and CK didn’t want anything to do with it.
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It’s possible, the end result of firing CK is still another 3-4 years of building. The net result is still the same.
i dont think new coach has near the same risks as keeping kelly. kelly showed throughout season his plan when things went wrong, was to double down, just go further down the rabbit hole, between playcalling, player management, how they were utilized. new coach might use the players better too.that’s what drove me nuts the most. Kelly gets these guys, like Ertz and Huff, then doesnt use them the way they should. the Sproles “he gets doubled too much, that’s why he’s not in” was the most assi-ten explanation i’ve ever heard. imagine those Ertz and Huff in Pitts, AZ, or NE. MS2 isnt good enough, but he showed some ability vs NYG. enough to know he shouldnt have been deactivated. not like BG and Barwin had world-beater years, either. get a first, then sit him for 2 yrs. how is he supposed to get better if you dont play him. Rowe would still be on bench if Carroll hadnt broken his foot. dont get me started on EJ fucking Biggers.
plus, eagles were unwatchable this year. i’ve been watching since late 70’s, that was some of the most annoying frustrating and shit coaching i’ve ever seen. i turned off games i couldnt stand it.
CK was spiraling for sure….
No, not for sure. The move makes more sense when factoring in behind the scenes drama. Not a pure football move.
I was CK as a person, seemed to be spiraling…
You pointed out several logical reasons why McDermott may not be a candidate, but the one you didn’t discuss which seems to be a significant pattern in the search so far is that McDermott is a defensive minded coach. Any reason the Eagles haven’t looked at anyone that has primarily coached on the defensive side of the ball?
Tommy, I seem to miss one potential reason for why McDermott is not interviewed: Howie Roseman.
Roseman being here prevents McDermott from being on the list. As Cataldi pointed out, McDermott and Roseman might not exactly be friends. Note also that – apart from Coughlin – not a single candidate has been interviewed that can be projected as a threat to Roseman’s position within the organization (Hue Jackson most notably, but also for instance Gruden).
Frankly, as long as Roseman is with the organisation, I believe the coaching search will always be hampered by Roseman’s interest in remaining in power. Note – for instance – how Lurie talked about accountability for Chip Kelly (including making it clear how Kelly was now clearly responsible for the personnel decisions). Note that with Roseman back, there is the vagueness about what Roseman’s position as far as personnel is concerned, much like before… And note how – somehow – Roseman only seems responsible for the 2012 draft, and the blame for every other draft is deflected away to others consistently. Oh, and FTR, with a little luck, Kelly’s 2015 draft might have netted as much or more than all of Roseman’s drafts combined, including 2012 (starting WR, two starting CB’s, one back-up CB, and starting MLB). And at least one of them – Hicks – showing super star potential. Rowe looked very good late in the season, including at the end being assigned to the nr 1 WR of the opponent. Shepherd looked better than Rowe before his ACL snapped.
I heared Geoff Mosher this week say on the radio that pretty much EVERYONE he has talked to about Roseman (colleagues, players, friends and so on – people who like him and people who do not) says that Roseman is paranoid (about maintaining his position within the organization) and wants to hold on to his power at all cost – and will get rid of any threat (or perceived threat) to that position by just about any means necessary. Basically that Roseman is very good at just about everything you want in a GM, but that there are two elements (including is desire for power as he wants to prove he is a good GM and personnel guy despite no football background) that undoes all the positives he brings (and more).
Note how – since Roseman got power – the Eagles front office, especially scouting/personnel, has been a revolving door.
If Lurie wants to keep Roseman in power, then it needs to be made very clear who within the organization is responsible for what. And not this obscure mess as soon as Roseman is involved.
So you say Roseman is very good at just about everything you want in a GM, but two elements. What are the two? desire for power? ok, that’s fair but I don’t think it’s atypical. what is the second?
I think it’s very clear the next HC is not the GM, and really after Kelly I’m fine with that. I think it’s preferable.
Coöperation, and listening to opposing viewpoints, as well as impatience.
Anyone perceived to be a threat will be treated as such – and will be removed. No matter how good that person is at his/her job.
He is apparently unwilling to accept that others might be better at talent evaluation, or at a minimum disagree with him about talent evaluation. And – allegedly – this is one of the reasons why the Eagles have no decent QB prospect in the system, and are stuck with Marcus Smith. Notice also that since Howie has gotten more involved in the draft, drafting O-line has been neglected if not an outright disaster (and that assumes Watkins was all Andy Reid).
Roseman allegedly is so set on proving that a non-football guy can be a top level GM, and as good (if not better)
at evaluating talent and getting the right players in as traditional guys – and so convinced that he is the person to prove it – that it will destroy everything in its wake.
Likewise his impatience to get there – and which could well be linked to his paranoia – not getting immediate results could be seen as a failure of Roseman, and this a threat. The ‘Dream Team’ fiasco is as much a result of that as anything.
I am fine with a coach not being a GM at all (and probably that is the way to go). I think – however – Roseman is the wrong person to be that GM.
“Roseman allegedly is so set on proving that a non-football guy can be a top level GM, and as good (if not better)at evaluating talent and getting the right players in as traditional guys – and so convinced that he is the person to prove it – that it will destroy everything in its wake.”
This is comically unsubstantiated.
Will Howie say so? No.
This was what Mosher said, and what many who have had contact or know with Roseman say. It is what is driving him to spend so many hours watching film, and already doing so while still a penny-pusher under Banner.
So it is far from unsubstantiated.
So he’s working to get better at his craft? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!! WHATTTTT!!!
THEREFORE HE THINKS HE CAN DO HIS JOB BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLDDDDDDDD!
that’s a massive jump in logic to make
Your entire argument is that he’s worked to improve his scouting ability ever since he was brought in as a contracts consultant in order to become a more well rounded GM candidate. Therefore he thinks he’s smarter than anyone else and doesn’t listen to others. I’m sorry but that’s bullshit.
Also Geoffs report was sourced from Gamble or Marynowitz. So it’s a mouthpiece for a hatchet job.
So basically you have no argument, just attack the reporter – who explicitly stated he sourced it from a wide variety of people, people who work with him, do not work with him, like him (privately or prodessionally) or do not like him – but who consistently mentioned a few things. Your premise it is solely based on Gamble or Marynowitz is complete BS made up by you – ironic since you accuse me of making up stuff.
Howie’s dream was to be an NFL GM, and prove that he as an outsider is as good or better at it than anyone else – basically he is set out to prove everybody wrong. Hell, this was news which already floated around last year (when Chip took over) and even before (when Howie himself took over from Banner).
Ironically that same thing is what many people pointed out as a red flag as far as Chip Kelly was concerned (him being so hell bent on proving everybody wrong that it is detrimental to the team), or even Andy (with his refusal to run).
I am not making a jump in logic at all. Nor have I said at any point that him working at improving his craft is definite proof he believes he is better than anyone else (in some ways it is the opposite – the hard work and what he produces is to be proof that indeed he is better than anyone else).
Hell, whatever has come out of Roseman’s positive traits – including his work ethic – has a whole lot in common with people who are hell bent on proving they are the best at something as an outsider coming in.
I don’t get it. What’s wrong with wanting to be the best at something and working at it? Isn’t that the whole point?
The difference between Rocky…and i don’t even know of any examples of someone being villainized for these things. It all seems very contrived to fit a pre-existing narrative.
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I personally hope we only hire people who think they are bad at things we hire them to do.
Hopefully Lurie sells the team to someone who knows the Eagles’ damn place at the bottom of the barrel and accept it with dignity.
Someone like Trump. He would make it’s ridiculously claaasy. Until he bankrupted the whole thing.
as long as the stadium is yoooog and paid for by China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
No he’d make Daniel Snyder pay for it. How? Don’t worry about it. He just would.
Nothing in itself – and where did I at any point say or even come close to suggesting that it is wrong to want to be the best at something and working at it?
The problem emerges when those people get into the desired position, and start eliminating anybody they consider a threat to their position (even if those people want to be better) – or refuses to hire people who you perceive as a threat to their position.
In fact I have had the unpleasant experience of having to work with a few of those people who got in such positions (as Roseman is) from the outside, thinking they were good at it. The only thing they managed to do was drive away talented workers, and destroy the working environment.
But apparently you are fine with the hospital janitor operating on you, because he thinks he can do a better job than the experienced surgeon, and he deserves it because in his spare time he studied all kinds of medical journals, textbooks and watched video-recordings of operations.
Chip fired Anthony Patch and Rick Mueller.
WHERE ARE YOUR GREAT OMG NOOOO FIRING FOOTBALL PEOPLE HE’S A SNAKEEEEE takes?
Howie has over a decade directly involved in NFL scouting. But yea he’s the equivalent of a janitor in this equation. Just because he doesn’t throw people in lockers and eat skoal for breakfast doesn’t mean he’s unqualified.
sounds juicy and dramatic.
He has details in the report that were clearly sourced from Gamble or Marynowitz. He has stuff about the draft room dynamics. The Eagles run a closed draft room. Limiting the number of people who have that information.
Now call Riddick. Now call some low level scout for the Jets who has met Howie like three times and generally thinks he’s an ok dude.
TADAAAA! Well sourced varied report! Palace intrigue sells. It’s very easy to continue the lazy narrative with a few phone calls. Howie doesn’t leak. Beats don’t like that. He’s perceived as an outsider. Meathead masses eat that up.
You’re taking every little tidbit, twisting it into a negtive because you don’t like him. That’s fine. But it’s bullshit. And I’m going to tell you so.
Howie isn’t perfect. He’s abrasive. He’s got an ego (like every other GM on the planet). He’s run some really good drafts and some underwhelming ones. But he’s very good at valuation both in contracts and in the draft. That’s indisputable.
So taking every little thing and continuing to pile onto the fuck that pencil neck nerd he’s rasputin and fires all the good “football people” (seriously show me the great pile of brilliant football people) he’s ruining the franchise.
It’s all very reminiscent of the JLC piece that no one wanted to work for the Eagles because of Howie like 2 days before they hired the hottest coaching candidate on the market
Also every coach and gm thinks they are smarter than the rest or some of those trades out picks wouldn’t happen
Eagles drafted Watkins, Vandervelde, and Kelce in 2011. They drafted Dennis Kelly and Brandon Washington in 2012. They drafted Lane Johnson in 2013. They did not draft an OL in 2014, which Howie said was a “gut punch” in post-draft comments. Howie obviously had little to do with the 2015 draft, which was all Chip Kelly/Marynowitz, where they ignored the position for a second consecutive draft while also ditching veterans (a disastrous approach). The miss on Watkins hurt bad, for sure, but given subsequent events that may have been more on Reid. I don’t think there is any evidence that Roseman neglects the OL — that happened under Kelly. You might be able to get away without drafting OL in one year (2014), but two in a row… bad idea.
While there may be some merit in what you say, I see no evidence whatsoever that the OL neglect is based on Roseman’s biases. It’s also hard to believe that Lurie would stand for someone who doesn’t listen to others, if he’s so big on collaboration. Maybe he’s good at underground office politics on that score, but… hrm. If others come predisposed to ignore Roseman’s ideas because of his background, and not on the merits, that can be equally as bad. I’m sure there is some kernel of truth here, but I guess the real question is do we trust Lurie (who sees the conflict up-front).
Here it comes:
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Howie was GM for exactly 1 year while Sean was here. Reid still had final say during the ’10 season. And in that draft they spent 9 of 13 pick on D. The first 5 were all on D.
Lets look at those picks:
Brandon Graham- Had a decent rookie year as a rotational DE.
Nate Allen- Arguably his best year. Looked to have bright future before injury
DTN- This was a coaching staff pick. It was a production over traits pick. This was Reid or Sean pounding the table for a guy.
Lindley- Good upside pick for round 4. Was considered a first round talent before injury.
Keenan Clayton- Athletic S/LB tweener. Probably got to the league 5 years too early. Still reserve LB/ST guy in round four isn’t bad.
Sapp- Another guy with all the upside in the world before injuries and going insane
Chaney- Athletic reserve LB who had some stretches of decent play
Jeff Owens- Got hurt in PS and never really did anything
Coleman- Has had one hell of a career for a 7th round pick.
So Sean has no reason to beef with Howie.
As a whole gettting Graham, Allen, Clay Harbor, Riley Cooper, Chaney, and Kurt Coleman is a much better draft than people tend to recall ’10 being.
So Cataldi and others implying there is some great blood fued between the two is bullshit to fit a narrative.
If Clayton could just tackle, he be a great lb in today’s NFL
The Jaylen Watkins of WILL backers.
I find it funny that just about all the owners(looks like 1 majority owner didn’t attend) had to travel for a vote. A lot of software out there where all parties could have done a video conference for a vote. I guess if you have billions of dollars it doesn’t matter. I like that the one majority own skipped the vote because ‘HC and GM search’ is more important….
It seems like a lot “deals” get done off the record at the owner meetings that are conducive to being there.
The owners meetings — yes, I 100% agree. This wasn’t one of those meetings though. At least I don’t think.
vote was 30-2, so it’s not like this was a heated debate. just a great excuse for 30+ billionaires to sit around each other and discuss and then go out and do whatever billionaires do.
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personally, i’d have sat next to JJ and figured out what he planned on doing. my guess is it was some combo of scotch and chasing young trim.
You know JJ gets more tail than most of those fogies!
i’m sure! JJ probably wakes up every morning, pours a big glass of OJ to chase down his blood pressure and a horse sized penicillin pill
The more I think about it and consider the available coaching candidates, the more I think I want to promote Shurmur. Shurmur has experience as a head coach already and, yes, I know it didn’t go well, but failure can be the best teacher. He would also not be working for Cleveland which can up your chance of success significantly.
In terms of positives, Shurmur represents a lot of continuity for the organization. His offensive system would remain consistent and he already has good familiarity with the players and staff. The big positive would be the possibility of retaining Bradford. He wasn’t great but I thought he improved through the year. Allowing him to stay and continue to grow in the system could lead to solving our QB issues. if nothing else, Bradford could be a stop gap while we groom someone else. Retaining Shurmur could also mean retaining Staley, Fipp, and Undlin.
The biggest negative (in my opinion) is Bill Davis. If Shurmur does decide to retain the bulk of the staff, that could include Bill Davis. Just my two cents.
I am with you. He is not the sexy option but I am nervous about a first time head coach. For whatever reason we don’t seem interested in Jackson which is baffling. I am not in love with Coughlin despite his success.
Hue Jackson would actually be my choice based on nothing more than resume. I have no idea what went down in Oakland, but that seems to be the biggest red flag.
I’m with you! hire Shurmur today!
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bradford is the best QB we can possibly get, and Shurmur has experience seeing SAM in two very different offenses, so Id be very interested to see what Shurmur and SAM can come up with designing an offense…Chip was a control Freak, who was too married to proving his unique offense could succeed that he stubbornly continued with his philosophy even if it didn’t put players like Murray who he signed, in the best position to succeed.. I think to have any REAL SUCCESS in the NFL, we need to have a true partnership between our Coach and QB, and Shurmur and Sams relationship could be huge for us in this regard.
Chip Kelly basically wanted to use his QBs to prove that his unique approach to pro football can succeed. Shurmur isn’t interesed in proving people wrong or proving that he is the smartest guy in the Room. the ONLY THING Shurmur would care about is how he can make Bradford comfortable, and run whatever it takes to put SAM in a position to succeed, and the change for from Chip to Shurmur who will make Bradford a partner, should be huge for Bradford and this offense, which in turn will help the defense now that chip won’t irresponsbly put so much pressure on the defense.. I look forward to having a coach that can have a successfull run game without needing the help of a mobile QB. You shouldn’t NEED a zone read QB to have a successful run game. And I look forward to a coach who can orchestrate a quality Offene that puts up points, without having to irresponsibly make the defenses job so much harder
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It’s also extremely valuable to have a coach that has had a front Row view of 3 years worth of the Chip Trail and Error methods. Shurmur can continue to use the quality aspects chip brought to the Eagles, yet he isn’t married to proving chips offense is a success so he should be more open minded than chip was to not use chips ideas that didn’t work well… Getting to see 3 seasons of Chips trail and error should be very valuable, and it should allow us to takes advantage of the best of chip kelly, while throwing away the flaws of chip kelly that really hurt us..
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Shurmur also knows all our offensive players real well. He knows what they excel at, he knows their limitations, most important he knows each players charechter and personality so he should know the best way to treat each player and how to coach them to get the best out of them. Each player responds to different coaching, it’s important for a good coach to know what makes each playet tic and how to push each individual’s buttons, and understand you can’t treat 53 men the same exact way.
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Keeping Pat also allows us to maintain some continuity which is very important. If we needed a full rebuild, then keeping Shurmur loses some of its strengths, but the way I look at it, we have like 80% of next years starters in place. Free agency doesn’t work, so we need to use our cap space to retain our own talent, but we have to hit on the next two drafts so that we can replace expensive veterans like Murray, Maxwell, Celek, Cooper, Sproles, Mufasa with Cheap young talent over the course of the next two seasons…. The continuity we get from keeping Shurmur means that 3’yeas under chip won’t have been a complete waste.
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I’m reaaly starting to feel strongly about wanting to see what Shurmur and Bradford can do together. Those two would give us the QB/Coach PARTNERSHIP required to have real NFL success, instead of Chip Kelly who cared more about proving his alternative offensive principles correct, showing he is smarter than everyone, when in reality, the ONLY thing he should have been caring about is running whatever it took for Bradford and Murray to be successful
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I could understand if some GM stuck chip with Murray… But when Chip himself gives him a big deal, then I will expect Chip to change his offense as much as it takes to put Murray in the best posituon to succeed,,Chip Failed miserably, Shurmur wont try to reinvent the wheel, he won’t try to prove he is smarter than everyone, his entire focus will be on running plays that get the most out of SAM and our weapons… I really think Shurm/Bradford could have the type of working relationship it takes to succeed at this level
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I really want to see what Shurmur can do. He has a ton of experience and decades worth of building contacts and relationships so the guy shouldnt have a hard time putting together a good coaching staff, but just as important, he may be able to retain some of our coaches that have done a great job like Coach Fipp, Azzinaro (if he doesn’t follow chip), Undlin, DUCE, while also hopefully having the experiemce to be able to UPGRADE the rest of the coaching staff like ILB coach, OLB coach, WR Coach SUCKS, DC,
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Unfortunately every day that passes makes me feel like it’s less and less likely that shurmurs will be named HC,,,, if I can’t have Shurm as the HC, than I want Doug P because I would bet that Doug retains Shurmur as his OC…. Whether it’s Doug or Shurm, hopefully they know a defensive position coach that is just an opportunity away from becoming the next great defensive Coordinator
Even through Chip’s trials and errors, he must have made an impression on Sam because it was reported Sam was upset after the firing. Maybe Sam felt wanted, I do not know. What happens if Sam doesn’t want to be here, can not be traded, is tagged and Shurmur is the coach or OC? Are we still for Shurmur being retained? Is retaining him for continuity good enough? Don’t get me wrong, I am not upset Chip is gone. I asked co-workers where are the players coming from to continue to play at Chip’s pace. I did like the offense when it was clicking, just not enough clicking.
just name Shurmur the coach, and let’s call it a day and proceed to the really important part which is putting together a strong coaching staff, preferably ASAP before all the new coaches scoop up the good assistant coaches league Wide….
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Curious to see if we see the Eagles schedule interviews with guys we haven’t talked to yet? Or if the proceed to the 2nd round of Interviews? If we go like 5 days with no Interviews,I assume that would mean that we are waiting for KC to lose to announce the hiring of Doug as our HC
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I don’t mind the doug hiring, but I really would like the Eagles to give Shurm a chance to shows us what he can do.
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Although If we hired Doug, I think it’s very likely that Shurmur would stay on as his OC… Yet if we hired Shurmur as the HC, he wouldn’t be able to bring Doug to Philly because we could only offer him an OC position which is a lateral move from KC
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At this poïnt Id be pretty surprised if the next coach isn’t Shurm or Doug. Hiring One of those two gives the front office the best odds of landing a coach that they won’t have to give any power to.. If Roseman maintaining power and getting a coach who they won’t have to give any personnel power to is really THAT IMPORTANT to this coaching search, the best way to accomplish that is to hire a candidate with the least amount of Leverage. Candidats who DONT have other options on the table, and only have HC offers from the Eagles are the candidates with the least amount of leverage and our best bet to hire a coach that won’t command any personnel power..
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I have to admit, this probably isn’t one of my dream attributes that I look for in a candidate, if hiring someone we DONT have to give any power to is one of the main criterias of this coaching search, I find that a little disturbing and dysfunctional, but fortunately I happen to like and have genuine interest in the two candidates who happen to fit that bill, Shurmur and Doug…. But it still seems like a dysfunctional criteria to use as part of the coaching search,. When I make a list of most important things to look for in a coach, You typically won’t find “a coach THAT has No Leverage because no other team wants him” at the top of my list…. If we are using this dysfunctipnal criteria, thankfully I happen to like the two candidates that fit that criteria this year
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Wish we would just announce the hiring of Shurmur Today and get to work on building a quality coaching staff which is crucial… If they go 5 days with no interviews, I would assume that they are waiting for KC to lose. I have a hard time seeing them go 5 days without interviewing anyone and then announce the hiring of Shurm…. I prefer Shurmur as our HC, but he would probably be Dougs OC anyway, so I’ll be happy as long as he remains on our staff
Agree, either of them would work with both keeping a high percentage of the existing staff. The hurry/ rush to me involves identifying a great DC to combine w/ them & getting him before others do. Continuity on offense and a new leader on defense could produce a very competitive team quickly. I doun’t want to settle for a DC or get our 4th choice.
Clearly defined roles within an organization can help folks with time management issues making it much easier to identify priority tasks throughout the day. No matter who the new head coach is, I hope that roles are talked about thoroughly, defined as clearly as possible, and that accountability exists for decision makers.
To this end, I think Tom Coughlin could be a good candidate. In this model, Coughlin sits atop the coaching tree overseeing and guiding decisions, but job number one for him would be holding coaches accountable for their decisions. In my opinion, he would need strong OC and DC hires to make this whole plan work. The OC and DC would design the schemes, call the plays, and Tom would play a role of mentor, but also question decisions that were made and push the coordinators to a higher level.
If this model were put in place, it would also make the Eagles an enticing destination for OC/DCs who want more responsibility and control over their side of the football, and an opportunity to prove that they might be able to run a football team.
I don’t know that Tom’s the guy, or the best guy for the job, but I do think that if he is hired it could work.
Schefty said he is hearing Mcadoo as the leader and now Jimmy is saying he has heard similar things.
Writers are gonna hate this. They’ll be calling him Bob until he eventually just gives in and changes his name.
Cannot help it but I had to laugh out hard and loud when seeing that Jimmy is now jumping on the McAdoo bandwagon as well. Cannot wait to see him claiming that he broke the news all along!!!
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/687282107551498240
Dude… you need to relax the Kempski obsession. He admits it right here that he is “piggy backing” what someone else broke. Even admits that McAdoo is a surprise to him.
You’re right. Maybe I should just chill and have a beer instead. Like this guy at my usual breakfast place at 9.30am this morning. Liquid breakfast through a straw, priceless…
Shorts in this weather?
That’s a bold choice Cotton.
Yeah I know. But Budweiser plus straw probably kept him warm!
more importantly, McAdoo’s hair ranking is pretty impressive, I’d put him higher.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/power-rankings-eagles-coaching-candidates-hair/
Jimmy has been correct more than he has been wrong. I get he has turned heel over the past few months but he does have good sources in the Nova Care.
I am not denying that he was right in the past (e.g. re DeSean), however lately he’s been coming across like a proper clickwhore to me. Sorry.
Yeah. Very angry.
So the Police Cheif allowed the altering of the Police report to hide some of The Chandler Jones issue from the public? How sweet of him, as if the patriots don’t lie
And cheat enough on their own..
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Gronk was absent from Tuesday practice after being linked to the Chandler situation?
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Why did Bellichick show up with a black eye?
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If anyone is familiar with Chandler Jones family issues, probably aremt too surprised hearing what Chandler is being accused of.. His Brother Jon Jones is the UFC LightHeavweight Champion and one of the most dominant fighters in the world, yet the young mans life spiraled out of control… This young fighters career exploded, he was a Phenom, first cage fighter with a Nike sponsorship, undefeated, destroyed everyone in his path and Quickily rose to stardom. However he always rubbed fans the wrong way because he presented himself as this a squeeky clean, God loving personality, yet everyone knew it was so fake, and the rumors never matched the fake image he presented.. After some time as Champion, he could no longer fake it, and the real Jon Jones started to be exposed. The first sign of troubke, was the self proclaimed, married, family man wrapped his Bently around a pole, wrecking the Bently in a real bad DUI car crash out side of a New Mexico strip club, and the married man had two woman in the car at the time of the crash… Hardly the first man to cheat on his wife… From there the Fake squeky clean goodie two shoes, tested positive for Cocain in a drug test about a month before the fight, and besides these two red flags there were all types of rumors about other poor behavior… but the young man hit rock bottom when he got into another car crash, ramming his car into another car that a pregnant woman was driving, a High or Drunk Jon Jones fled the scene of the crime without even checking on the victims he crashed into. But to make matters worse, Jon then returns to crime scene to take a pipe, Marijuana and whatever else he had in that car before the cops arrived. Well, Jon Jones left like 15,000 cash in that car, so obviously what he came back to grab was more important to him than a big chunk of cash… Jon then waits until the alchohol or drugs to wear off before turning himself in…. The UFC had no choice but to strip him of the title, suspend him for over a year, until recently reinstating him..
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Now we have all these rumors about his younger brother chandler, Drugs, allegedly overdosing, Gronks house, GRONK absent from practice on Tuesday, Bellichick showing up with a black eye? Who knows what Mayhem they are trying to cover up.
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Why is it ALWAYS something with this franchise in January?
If they aren’t getting caught video taping other teams practoces..
They are getting caught deflating footballs in bathrooms during the small window of time when the balls ARENT guarded by NFL officials..
Paying Millions of dollars to a serial killer
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Now their best defensive player allegedly ly overdosed on Drugs the week before their first playoff game? If he was at Gronks house partying, I would think that Chandler Wasnt the only Patriot on Drugs this weekend? Where the hell did Bellichick get a Black eye from? I better not hear the old abused womans excuse that he ran into a door or some bs insulting our intelligenc..
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It wouldn’t be January playoff Football without the scumbag patriots being involved in some type of scandal. Who knows what crap they are involved with now, of course they will get away with whatever it is,,,
ESPN’s Adam Schefter considers Giants OC Ben McAdoo the “frontrunner” for the Eagles’ head-coaching job.
“In my mind, my sense — these are just senses — is that McAdoo is the front-runner,” Schefter said. “But I don’t know that to be right. I think [Chiefs OC Doug] Pederson and McAdoo both are square in the conversation. But to me, I would handicap McAdoo as the favorite for whatever that’s worth and we’ll see if that’s proven right.” Schefter doesn’t consider ex-Giants coach Tom Coughlin a realistic option for the Eagles, citing his age.
My money is on McAdoo becoming HC of the Giants. They value continuity, and I can’t see them choosing any of these candidates over the continuity they get from Promoting OC to HC…
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Hugh Jackson taking the cleveland job because he can get them to give him power he is allegedly looking for
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doug P or Shurmur as the Coach of the Eagles
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Wasn’t there noise when McDermott was fired that Andy had spent a few weeks trying to set him up with Rivera, but things weren’t finalized in time?
I was looking at nfl draft trends for the eagles over the past 10 years. So, from a points perspectives in the draft chqrt. It is an even split 10332 pts on offense and 10194 on defense. Then you look at the Kelly years and 3984 on offense and 1779 on defense. However, you look at 4 year and its more even with 4153pts and 3778 points on defense.
Compared to Carolina, who spent 4185 pts on defense and 2094 on offense.
So, where is it different? Well, year 5 includes cam newton and balances out at 5148pts invested, vs 4696pts on defense.
The 5 year numbers are 5040/4356 points.
Looking at that, you have to say it isn’t all from resources invested in carolina vs philly. Basically seems like carolina got a lot more value put of the last few drafts. Part is the qb picture. Part is the marginal players. Watkins, jarret, smith and a few other mid round OL really grpund down the performance.
Howie, late Andy Reid, and chip all combined for this.
Just wanted to look at a resource investment. MLB killed the team for years and years. Crappy 1st and 2nd down performance made pass rush and db a problem.
Towing the company line with the McDermott smear campaign