Attitudes and Agendas
Posted: February 11th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 389 Comments »The big questions involving the Eagles right now involve Sam Bradford and the QB position. Should the team re-sign or tag him? Should they draft a QB at pick 13? Should they possibly do both? Before you can really address those questions, you need to look at the big picture. What exactly are the Eagles trying to accomplish in 2016?
When Ray Rhodes took over the Eagles in 1995, he made it clear. He wanted to win right away. His goal was to win the Super Bowl that season. Heck, Ray wanted to win the Super Bowl in the preseason. Patience and planning were not his strengths.
When Andy Reid took over the Eagles in 1999, he wanted to build a program. He wanted a young core of players that could be good for a long time. He wasn’t on a youth movement to some extreme level. He mixed in some vets with young players. He wanted to win, but had a 5-year plan and always kept the big picture in focus.
When Chip Kelly took over the Eagles in 2013, he never really announced his intentions. He wanted to win right away, but had 4 rookies starting or playing key roles. He never really talked about long term plans, which makes some sense with him coming from college. There, every year and every team is different.
Doug Pederson has mentioned wanting to compete right away, but he’s also talked about adding a young QB to develop. Beyond that, he hasn’t really given us a good feel for his vision.
We can talk about coaches and their goals, but circumstances also play a huge role in determining what happens. Reid took over one of the worst offenses in modern NFL history. They weren’t ready to be a playoff team. Kelly got a team coming off a terrible record, but there was more talent on hand than people realized. That team fell apart due to intangible issues. A new coach and some new players made all the difference in the world.
Trying to figure out the current Eagles team is tricky. There is some good talent in place, but also holes to be filled. There is some good structure already, but there is also dysfunction. Pederson and Howie Roseman have to look through the fog of failure to try and figure out what needs to be fixed.
Pederson and Roseman may each have a vision for how they would like the next 3 years to go in a fantasy world, but reality says the burden of expectations and job pressure will affect their thinking.
Reid came to the Eagles after having helped develop an elite QB in Green Bay. Reid helped the team win a Super Bowl in 1996 and get back to the big game in 1997. He had a solid resume. Pederson doesn’t have the same track record. There is no QB pupil for him to point to. He only coached in one playoff win, a wild card game this past season.
If Pederson gets off to a really slow start in his first year or doesn’t show the right kind of progress in his second year, there will be a strong outcry for Jeff Lurie to fire him and “hire a real coach”. I’m sure Pederson is smart enough to understand this so it won’t surprise me at all to see him push for the Eagles to really compete this year.
Roseman is under pressure as well. He needs Pederson to win to show people that he helped to hire the right guy and also gave him enough talent to work with. I think Roseman knows he’s on a short leash with Lurie at this point so they can’t afford a disaster.
This doesn’t mean the Eagles can’t get off to a slow start. I think people understand change does take time. Rhodes began 1-3. Reid was 0-4. Chip was 1-3. Their teams all played better after that. Pederson would be in trouble if he started 0-8 or something like that. Or if the team went 3-13 for the year. People aren’t sure what to make of Pederson. They need some success to help them buy in.
Gus Bradley has a horrible record, but the Jags just gave him an extension. He had a strong track record when they hired him and all the fans wanted Bradley. The owners are being incredibly patient with him. I’m fascinated to see if that pans out or if he’s just not a good coach. The Eagles can’t do that. This is a much bigger market and the fans are more aggressive.
Pederson and Roseman need to try to find a balance between winning now and long term. As dysfunctional as the Eagles were in 2015, they still almost won the NFC East. But the goal is to build a championship team. Just getting to the top of a crappy division isn’t good enough. The key to becoming a championship caliber team is finding the right QB.
There are 3 top shelf QBs in this draft: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch. Pederson and Roseman need to decide which guy they feel strongest about. They also need to decide if all 3 are viable targets. Just because those are the top guys doesn’t mean the Eagles will have interest in all of them.
What if Pederson thinks Bradford can be a top QB? If so, then money shouldn’t be an object. I doubt Pederson will feel that strongly about him, but it is possible.
There are other QBs in the draft and other veteran options, but all come with baggage and are more of a long shot. Unless Pederson just loves some other QB, it will be disappointing not to come away with Bradford and/or one of the top college QBs. I know the Eagles could tag Bradford, but if Pederson decides that’s a guy he really wants, then you need a long term deal. The QB has to want to be here. He can’t have one eye on the future. He’s got to be “all in”.
I don’t know Pederson’s thinking on QBs. He and Reid might have similar tastes. Reid loved Bradford coming out in the draft. He also loved RGIII. I don’t know how Reid felt about Colin Kaepernick as a draft prospect, but the Niners did offer him in a trade prior to 2012 and Reid had no interest.
Beyond finding a QB, Pederson and Roseman need to figure out how to build around him. Should they sign an OL in free agency so they can plug him in as a starter or focus on adding players in the draft? Do they give Nelson Agholor a chance to show what he can do at WR or add a big time talent in free agency or with pick 13?
There is no right or wrong answer to all of this.
Pederson and Roseman need to figure out what they want to do at QB and then go from there. They need the Eagles to be competitive in 2016, but you can argue that leaning more toward a youth movement is the way to go for building for the future. Is it better to go 6-10 and have an extra couple of rookies in the lineup vs going 8-8 with veterans in those spots?
It will be interesting to see if there are any disagreements and how they play out. Roseman isn’t the most patient guy, but the offseason moves of 2011 and 2015 might be enough of a lesson that he’s willing to pass on quick fixes. Roseman had nothing to do with Chip’s decisions last March so that might help the perspective of that situation to resonate even stronger than it would if those were his moves.
Pederson was part of Reid’s first Eagles team so he knows about building a strong core and how that can pay off. Will he have the patience to go that route? Just how good does he think the Eagles roster is?
Soon enough we’ll start to see what the Eagles plans are. We’ll see how they handle Bradford. We’ll see what they do in free agency. Those will give us some hints about pick 13 and what we should expect in 2016.
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Tommy, the Chiefs won the wild card game…lost the divisional round.
does that count as a “playoff victory” ?
Certainly counts as a game coached.
not a full game when you discount the last 6 minutes
Who is .. Kanye West ?
Has Sam Bradford ever had a winning season in the NFL? That should be in the conversation.
Last year he was 7-6 in games he started and finished.
The correct answer is no.
Damn. I overthought it. I was going to go with no.
Not sure that is good enough. At a certain point, someone is either a winner or a loser. I don’t want the Eagles to pay a loser big money.
Doesn’t that same logic support a QB competition between Tim Tebow, P. Manning, and AJ Feeley next spring?
Don’t forget Vince Young!
His injury history is really getting swept under the table. He held up decently well this year, and I think Eagles fans are somewhat in denial about this guy’s durability. Paying $25M/year to a guy who’s going to break is brutal.
…which is why noone will. Not likely $20M, either. And the guarantees will be less than Kaep’s. That’s a reality that Sam haters keep sweeping under the table to continue their narrative.
You mean because football is an individual sport? I mean I know it was just qb play that won the SB for Denver, and Baltimore that year. And the Chiefs only win because Alex Smith is so amazing…but…
I’ve thought about this… I am a Howie fan and supporter. Since things are cloudy over the past on who has responsibility on different levels and actions, I find it hard to fault Roseman.
Roseman has shown he is a cap master, as well as a good negotiator during the draft for trades, Not being a football guy (16 years in football) has been his major criticism, yet we don’t know the full details on who he wanted and who he drafted when given the authority.
I’m willing to give the new/old FO to chance to gain respect and build this team the right way.
Agree totally. Even if he has missed on a couple picks, you can do a lot worse than a master of the cap and draft value as well as a very strong contract negotiator that values young talent the team drafted.
He’s definitely kept the team flexible when players don’t work out. Worth something for sure.
I still think how Howie got the roster turned round in 2013 was his greatest achievement. Going from wide 9 to 3-4 2 gap was a massive transition, and he managed to set the team up to have a functional unit while helping build the future with an offensive led top end of the draft.
Right on. Howie has skills. Hopefully Lurie and the new staff utilize them to the fullest and let others work the areas of any weaknesses.
you seem to have glossed over the reams of evidence that he can’t play well with others. that’s a big part of being a personnel head
By ‘reams of evidence’ do you mean the sniping of Joe Banner and Louis Riddick? Two people so good at their jobs that they are not in the league anymore?
sure, among others. but that’s all whatever though right? I’m sure EVERYONE else was lying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
Do you know how Occam’s razor works? Employees who were let go due to poor performance and have failed to catch on any where else snipe at the person who fired them or were promoted over them.
You believe that a person who has achieved as high a position as Roseman and has had long working relationship with dozens of people who HAVEN’T backstabbed him after being let go can’t work well with others? That he is a snake in the grass who can’t be trusted? You think that is more likely than sour grapes of 3 or so failures?
Parsimony may not be for you.
you his little brother?
/sigh
Citing wikipedia as evidence is just stupid
Yeah, I glossed over the fact that everyone in the nfl would not deal with howie roseman… since you are in the know, how about you describe all the wheeling and dealings he was was responsible for during his time in the draft?
Fix the defense and drops by the offense and the Eagles will be 10-6 with Bradford at the helm. We could’ve easily won the NFC East this year, it was so frustrating to see us unable to stop MIA, TB, DET and WASH. They dont need a QB in the first round, pay Bradford and see where he takes us. Most likely Pederson is going to dink and dunk 5 yard passes all day long like Alex Smith and play it conservative.
Those 5 yard passes to Ertz will result in a lot of first downs.
3 of those,4 losses came with Sanchez at QB..
Possible this, hypothetical that, who’s on second? I hate this time of year. At least we don’t have a Chip/Tebow/Cooper/Shady/DeSean type of circus surrounding the team. We do have a quarterback question, but at least it’s not a quarterback controversy. And that’s nice.
Well we have more time for that to happen…. Resigning DeSean and Tebow could easily make things a lot more circus like.
We could hold Shady in the Linc jail and release him as a secret weapon.
If we put a badge on the QB and get a female FB we might be on to something. Shady can take the officer’s ball and chase the skirt through the hole.
Of course, if their LB takes out the FB Shady would probably join in and start kicking her on the ground…
Apparently we’ll have the same problem if a DE takes down our QB….
Oh, that’s better. I should have gone that direction.
bill – “off-topic”: how was the Phantoms game? and how did Morin look? ghost continues his point streak 🙂
Was a great game for a fan, they blew out the worst team in the AHL. Hagg (a prospect on D who will hopefully become 2nd pairing in NHL) had a laser shot goal, and a decent overall game. Morin had some nice plays, and displayed his speed on a few occasions (during the major PP, they had him playing RW, but the D struggled to outlet on that shift). He still looks too tentative at times, like he doesn’t know or trust his reads. He also isn’t as impressive on the boards and slot as he should be. He’s still young and growing, and needs to fill out, plus he’s playing against grown men for the first time. There’s good reason to believe he can develop into a shutdown defensive defenseman. I’ve not seen much this year that says he’s going to lug the puck at the NHL level, but again, he’s really young and big dmen can take a while to develop.
If I had to put money on him now, he’s never going to be a stud #1, but he can become a shutdown defensive presence on a 1st pairing, especially if paired with a more offensive partner who will take the majority of the puck carrying duties. He would be a perfect complement for Ghost, if all goes right. But it’s going to take longer than most fans expect – it’ll be a miracle if he’s ready by the beginning of next season.
As far as the forwards, I was impressed most by some of the new guys, DeSimone and Martel, who flashed some speed and desire – but they’re both small guys who may not translate at all to the NHL. Leier had a hatty, but it’s tough to take too much out of the goals – the Senators looked like they were playing allstar game level defense and guys were wide open all night long.
Thanks for the recap! I don’t know much about the prospects so it’s cool to get a first hand report on them.
I hope the Eagles tag Bradford, trade him to either Houston or Denver for their late first round pick and a late fifth round pick and then use the #13 overall to take the best QB on the draft board.
me too. Can’t see that happening though.
is it a full moon or something? Why would a defending superbowl championship team want Bradford? I get it, it’s the off season and everybody starts drinking the Kool-Aid. Step away from the Kool-Aid. Have you watched the back up play by OZ? If you were in Denver right now, would you be sitting there saying “I know we just won it and all but man I wish we could steal Bradford in a trade with using a 1st rounder”?
It’s not Aid he is on. It’s acid.
Gosh Tommy. I hope you feel better. That was a long write. It doesn’t make a ton of sense not to have Sam when the Eagles have a pretty good roster. Then I think, but we’ll have Sam…. maybe outta draft a QB. So this is how I would resolve this. Eagles trade their 1st (13th) and a 7th to the Rams for Foles and their 1st (15th) and our 2nd (45th) they stole from us last year. Maybe we would have to sweeten that with a 5th. That probably means all three of the top QBs would be gone. So Howie most quietly wait and see if he can get his guy at 13 before making the trade. I’m not in favor of taking the third QB anyway… that never works. I hope that Pederson likes a QB he can get in the second round. We will see. Go Eagles!
Why would the Rams give up a second round pick and Foles to move up 2 spots in the first round? I know that Foles’ contract is terrible, but do you really think the Rams would give up a second round pick just to get rid of Foles?
Yes, but only if Kelly were their coach.
Can i give you two or three up-votes for this?
Well done.
Upon further review you are right. The Rams will not suffer for not moving up to 13. However, if it plays out that both the Eagles and Rams want the same QB at 13 and the Eagles can bring themselves to letting the Rams draft that QB, who will undoubtedly need multiple years to develop, then yeah I can see a trade happening. As for Foles it is worth noting that only one of the top ten paid QBs appeared in the playoffs this year. Certainly having Foles does not increase his value or the possibility that the Eagles would return to the playoffs. But Denver just won a Super Bowl with an old rickety QB. Is it too soon to say the QB position is overvalued? Bradford is not going to come in at 20-25 million a year. Compared to his peers he simply is not that good. He will have a change of heart.
Let’s all take a moment and be extremely happy that you’re not in charge of the organization….
Luries pc didn’t make it seem like he was looking at a patient rebuilding .
I hope the Front Office has some patience with Pederson. More importantly I hope the media doesn’t run him off in 2 years. If I were an established HC, I would think twice about going to Philly and dealing with the meatball media second guessing every move( Does Pederson wipe his ass from top to bottom or bottom up, and what does that mean to the current state of the team?) Building long term is the way to go. Pete Carroll was 7-9 7-9 before he found his QB in the 3rd round. What made him a winner was hitting late in the draft with studs. The Seahawks wiffed on A ARon Curry #4 overall, Bruce Irving #15, Okung is questionable at #6, the Eagles gifted them E.T. Most of the impact players were round 3 or later. Exception was Wagner in the second after Kendrichs.
Lots of pressure playing in big cities. Peyton was getting booed this year which is crazy considering how good he made that team.
As there should be.. It is great that Eagle Fans have passion and holds the feet to the fire. I guess what I’m trying to say is temper expectations and give it time to ferment. Then we can taste the sweet taste of victory. The one thing that all HC’s hate and want no part of is distractions. And the Philly media is the worst at making an ant mound into a mountain. And then it gains momentum and boom.. A full blown controversy. That takes away from the focus of the whole organization.
Side note: Bronco fans are idiots: If it were not for Peyton half of the free agents probably would not have gone there. After all the Fans were all in on Tebow..
I apologize for preaching to the Choir.
I don’t think we’re in a true rebuild, but we’re not a player or two away from a super bowl. We do have a some very promising young guys who can be core players for us for a while (Fletch, Lane johnson, Jordan Matthews, maybe Vinny Curry). I think we should take the patient approach.
It’s a shame Chip threw away the 2nd and 4th this year, would have been great to have a full complement of picks.
The fourth round pick was last year We gave up a 2015 4 and a 2016 2nd. We got back a 2015 5th. The fourth for a fifth was last year.
This year we have no second but have all of our other picks, plus an extra 3 (DET draft night last year), 5 (Boykin) and 7 (Barkley)
Our pick alotment looks like
PIck 13
3rd (DET)
3rd
4th
5th
5th (PIT)
6th
7th
7th (ARI)
you could probably change one of those 3rds into a late 2nd with trading the extra 5th and 7th if you were desperate to have a ‘2nd’ round pick as well.
Yea I think if OL gets hit with a run or someone they really like is slipping they’ll move back into the second.
Howie loves to wheel and deal, and depending on how the draft moves could see a lot of deals happening.
I could see us moving up 3-4 spots for a QB, moving down into the late teens so we ‘get value’, and still pick up a DL or CB talent. Could see trading back to the 20’s if we want OL as a priority.
Think trading into the 2nd round would make sense in a lot of circumstances, as well as trading back at some points to pick up more picks. If a trade like the we had with the Lions becomes available then i imagine they jump on that as well.
Lots of options and changes possible on draft night.
I’d actually love to move some of our 2017 5,6,7 round picks for picks this year. Monster amount of underclassmen came out this year. I think that could effect the tail end of next years draft.
You trade 2017 1st for 2016 2nd, etc. so you trade next year’s 5th for a 6th this year when we already have 9 picks and UDFAs? 7th isn’t going to get you anything. We have two 7ths anyway. You just sign UDFAs.
Why not just trade down with your 5 3rds-5ths if you want more late round picks?
The point is the guys that extra underclassmen talent came out this year. It’s about the fact that the late rounds next year will be impacted. The pool of seniors will be diluted because more came out this year. It’s more about being proactive and getting something now when there’s extra roster churn as opposed to getting to the 6th round in 2017 and going oh shit well we don’t have anybody draftable left on our board.
It also doesn’t have to be a one for one 2016 for 2017. Use them as sweeteners to move this year.
That assumes that the increase in underclassmen is a one-time phenomenon. Is there any indication of that in contrast to a general trend where more players leave early?
Honestly, I would rather be in a situation next year where we are trading picks forward because we don’t want to use them than going into next year’s draft knowing that there is nothing to watch on day 3.
It’s up 22 from 2015. It’s 2 fewer than 2014.
In 2014 the underclassmen got banjaxed. Almost 40% went undrafted. It scared the hell out of the 2015 underclassmen and they stayed in school. This year a bunch of guys got bad advice again.
I’m not saying dump all of those picks, rather just pointing out it may be a way to exploit a minor inefficiency.
I think it would be ok to sign a veteran WR. The other wideouts are all young and could use a veteran presence. For QB and OL they have to draft and develop a new core of young players.
Have you seen the free agent WR available? Yuck!! Not the type of guys you want to be overpaying for on the open market
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Anquan Boldin?
[…] Attitudes and Agendas – Iggles BlitzPederson and Roseman need to try to find a balance between winning now and long term. As dysfunctional as the Eagles were in 2015, they still almost won the NFC East. But the goal is to build a championship team. Just getting to the top of a crappy division isn’t good enough. The key to becoming a championship caliber team is finding the right QB. There are 3 top shelf QBs in this draft: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch. Pederson and Roseman need to decide which guy they feel strongest about. They also need to decide if all 3 are viable targets. Just because those are the top guys doesn’t mean the Eagles will have interest in all of them. […]
Thanks for the read. You’ve encapsulated many thoughts by the fans. I will disagree on one point. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with going 3-13. People can squabble all want – this team needs rebuilding. This is not a SB contending team. Use this time to build. When your off season starts with questions: Who is the QB? What will the running game look like(with who starting)? Who are the 2 guards? Can 1 ( just 1) wr catch the ball with consistency? What will JP look like at tackle? And that’s just the offense. Finishing middle of the pack year after year is obviously a poor model for the Eagles.
In no way is this a full rebuild nor do they need a full rebuilding. If that were the case why would they resign a 27 year old Vinny Curry, why would they waste the best years of Cox’s career, why would they want to resign a 28 year old Malcom Jenkins, why keep a 34 year old Peters?. There are far too many variables pointing to the Eagles wanting to contend sooner rather then later. Instead of rebuilding I think this team just needs some retooling and better coaching. In a weak division like the NFCE I truly believe that with one draft and free agency that this team could be ready to contend next year.
Im not comfortable calling these QB prospects “top shelf
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Just because desperate teams over draft QBs, DOESNT make them legit top shelf QBs… Last year there was no questin Winstin and Mariota were top shelf QB prospects… I worry that this QB class may be closer to the Gabbert, Ponder, Lockert draft than the wInston, Mariota draft with clearly defined top shelf QB prospects
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Also, franchises Tagging Bradford doesn’t mean they won’t want to get an extension done, if we use it, it will only be a tool to buy more time having exclusive negotiation rights. Hopfully we get a deal done without having to go the tag route
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The Broncos are going to tag VON Miller, yet everyone knows that their real goal is to lock him up to a Longterm deal..
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If the plan is to rebuild with a young QB, then I would have preffered to rip the bandaid off and get rid of our expensive veterans now,… I see n poïnt in Keeping JP’s expensive salary of the plan is to have the man spend his last year or two in a rebuilding situation blocking for a Young QB years away from growing into a contender,,, what’s JP cap hit? Like 9mil? Why would we want to pay that while rebuilding, to a guy who won’t be here when the QB grows into a contending NFL QB? Why ask JP to even spend his last years in a rebuld?
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” If Braford ends up being our QB we will coach him up and turn him into the best in the NFL”…. Pederson.. Sounds like he thinks highly of SAM,lol unfortunately we have weeks of speculation to go before finding out how this QB situation gets resolved
After rewatching the 6abc.com Pederson interview with Jeff Skversky, I found this quote the most telling:
“But I do know that with this day and age in free agency, and the dollars and sense get a little higher each and every year, you can’t fault a player — being a former player — you can’t fault a player for getting an opportunity to become one of the top paid players in the National Football League and that’s where Sam’s at right now.”
It doesn’t seem like a stretch to say that Tom Condon is looking to make Sam one of the highest paid players in the NFL. The one thing I actually like about this situation, if Sam signs a long-term contract to remain here, he will do it because he wants to be here since I see no situation where Howie folds and pays him $100+ million contract, back-loaded with huge amount of dead money if cut.
This will not be a situation like Maxwell, who admitted he only singed here because we offered him the most money. That mentality rarely works out for the team in the long run as Maxwell really didn’t seem to care that much about his play this year. Either Sam wants to be here and they work out a deal, or Sam wants to get the most money and he goes elsewhere. At least we have less than a month to find out.
unless you’re a contender what other reason would a FA have for signing here?
Reggie Wayne walked away from the Patriots this year because he didn’t like the head coach or the atmosphere. The Patriots are a contender with a franchise QB, yet he still walked away. A FA would possibly choose to sign with the Eagles because of location, coaches, scheme, teammates, state/city tax code, and a myriad of other reasons…the same reasons free agents choose any destination.
reggie wayne’s career was also over – he should have gone and been useless on denver.
most FAs are chasing $ or rings. That other stuff matters, but not that much.
Everything matters. Mid-level, low-level, veteran minimum, and special team free agents look at their opportunity for playing time, roster competition, coaching, and many other things as important too.
Ndamukong Suh could go anywhere last year. Money and being on a contender I’m sure weighed heavily in his decision making. He was a marquee free agent.
Seyi Ajirotutu, on the other hand, looked at coaches, scheme, roster, and playing with his best friend Ryan Matthews, not just money and playing for a contender.
fair points
The other things are simply tie-breakers except in rare exceptions.
There are a lot of issues facing the Eagles, but the reality is they have little choice but to try and win now while re-tooling certain areas of the team on the fly. This is Philadelphia, the Eagles are the biggest part of our sports culture and the Lombardi still looms out there as the only thing we have not won.
There will be no free passes for the Eagles by the fans and media – sure we can say now we’ll be patient with Roseman & Pederson etc. and we can applaud the extensions of Ertz, Celek and Curry. But we all know those were the easier moves since both the team and players wanted to make it happen. Cox remains unsigned. Bradford remains in limbo. The draft and FA periods are on the horizon. Thurmond is a pending FA. Eagles need to decide on the futures of Peters, Ryans and Murray.
These decisions will be more indicative of how successful the Eagles are in 2016 and beyond and all of them are hard choices. Bradford has all the leverage since he will likely get offers as a FA, the Eagles have zero current other options and replacing Bradford with a draft pick or scrap heap vet is just as if not more risky than keeping Bradford. If you keep Bradford, do you franchise him or sign him long term? if you do either, how do you take care of Cox while also having enough cap space to upgrade the many other parts of the team this off-season? What will we need to sacrifice or lower our ambitions on to get it done?
I see no way the Eagles do not keep Bradford, either via franchise tag or long term contract. I see no FA vet or trade target or draft pick that will help us more in 2016. I also see the Eagles drafting a QB at some point so they have someone to develop while Sanchez keeps the backup chair warm. I do not see this regime as radical innovators, Roseman & Co. represent more of a gradual incrementalism building on what we have and trying to plug holes so we can compete every year and hope to eventually break through. That was the mantra of the Reid era and we’ve gone back to the future.
Can you imagine if the Eagles tried to do anything remotely like what the Sixers are doing? There would be riots.
And the Phillies and Flyers. I think in any context what you say would be right about the Eagles, but it is 10x more so now since our pro sports landscape is almost totally vacant.
The 76ers, Phillies and Flyers needed to rebuild and unfortunately delayed what needed to be done for years which is why they crashed so hard and are taking so long to bring back up. Those sports leagues, especially the NBA and NHL, also are structured to punish the “middle class” franchises who win enough not to be lottery teams, but never win enough to do anything in the playoffs unless serious luck comes their way.
The NFL is different in that teams can be built in stages and can turn themselves around quickly. Therefore, the Eagles, for many reasons, need to try to win now and re-tool on the fly.
I don’t know much about the Flyers. The Hinkies, I mean the Sixers, are in their situation by choice. The Phils have accepted their lot, that they need to rebuild. Howard’s contract is an enormous weight and will go down in the annals of sports history as one of the worst contracts. I fantasize that Ryan will step up and say something like, “Hey, I’ve made enough money, go ahead and cut my contract in half.” He’d be a Philly sports hero for eternity and his place in heaven would be assured.
Yea, but he would be a total outcast with his fellow players and the union. Howard is not the one at fault anyway; the Phillies are at fault, Amaro specifically, in mis-reading not only the MLB landscape, but also Howard’s longevity as an elite player.
The Phillies accepted their lot only when absolutely forced to; for years they denied reality and tried to milk the money train. Only when Middleton finally stopped counting his money and realized he wanted to win again did he and the Buck brothers force out Montgomery & Giles, hire MacPhail, fire Amaro, put Gillick back out to pasture and hire Klentak. It will take several years longer than it needed to due to their dogged resistance to rebuilding.
Of course the 76ers are rebuilding by choice; all teams do. Sounds like you are not a Hinkie fan, but he is IMO the best thing that has happened to the 76ers since 2001 when we knew we had peaked with Iverson and it would all be downhill from there. The 76ers spent the next 12 years in middle class purgatory – not bad enough to get the best talent, but not good enough to win anything. That is the worst spot to be in the NBA. The only feasible way to become a true contender is to get elite talent and the only way to do that is to get in the lottery regularly, cut your cap so you have $$ to spend on FA and gather assets you can trade for other talent. The NBA forces teams to do that, not Hinkie or the 76ers fault.
Flyers are very similar to Phillies – finally Snider agreed after failing to win another Cup for 40+ years to step back and let Hextall rebuild the farm system and team over a period of years. They finally realized there is a cap in the NHL after 10 years of trying to keep spending like drunken sailors and ending up in cap hell.
“The only feasible way to become a true contender is to get elite talent and the only way to do that is to get in the lottery regularly, cut your cap so you have $$ to spend on FA and gather assets you can trade for other talent. The NBA forces teams to do that, not Hinkie or the 76ers fault.”
This is simply not true. The Rockets got elite talent through FA. The Lakers have done it several times, the Celtics bought a championship that way. Miami did not tank their way to championships in either run. Nor did Dallas. San Antonio has only gotten to the lottery once in the last 20 years and is always in contention.
Rockets carefully accumulated assets over an extended period of multiple years to be able to trade for Harden (which is a once in a generational trade since they already had Westbrook and Durant and could not keep him long term without being in lux tax hell). That allowed them to get Howard in FA because they already had a star in place.
Sixers were in a mess post Bynam/Moultrie. No 2015 pick, no 2017 pick, traded away their best young talent in Vucevic, had thread bear squad with no future, no star and no assets.
Blowing it all up, trading to get back picks and trying to develop roster depth with diamonds in the rough like Covington was the only option they had. 2017 off season i would not be surprised if you see 2-3 plays and 1-2 picks dealt for a star who paired with our 2-3 best rookies, can attract 1 more star player in FA and suddenly we will be very good very fast.
Disagree completely. The 76ers had no choice but to blow it up in order to have any chance to be a true contender for a title.
All those other teams were in different situations than the 76ers or did tank to get elite talent.
The Spurs were 20-62 in 1996-97 in order to get the 1st pick and take Duncan. You do not think that was purposeful?
The Lakers are tanking right now and have been for a while. They already had Kobe, who they drafted, when they lured Shaq and others there as FA or trades.
Cleveland absolutely tanked to get LeBron.
Celtics already had Pierce/Walker, who they drafted, when they traded for KG et al. The 76ers never had anyone even close to them to help lure FA or convince guys to approve trades. Similar to Miami who already had Wade to lure other elite talents to South Beach. Similar to Dallas who had drafted Dirk 9th in the 1998 draft after the Mavs went 20-62 the year before. Hmmm
Fufina already covered the Rockets well.
Every one of those teams except Houston had a superstar talent in place that they drafted before they assembling their teams to be contenders.
Miami- Wade
Boston- Pierce
Dallas- Dirk
San Antonio- Duncan
Lis Angeles- Kobe
Superstar talent typically gets taken in the top 5 of the draft. There are the exceptions but I’d rather increase my odds.
I hadn’t thought about the reaction of his peers should Howard somehow become the most selfless guy on the planet. Yea, you are right that it’s on Amaro, so I guess we shouldn’t complain if Ryan takes what is rightfully his.
My problem with the Hinkie plan is not rational, it’s the instinctive reaction of a guy who grew up on playgrounds and backyards where every single point was life and death. Since you seem to know more about this situation than me, what do you think about the new NBA rule that allows college players to, if I understand correctly, un-commit for the draft once the lottery order is established? One sportswriter said guys will stay in school rather then come to Philly, but a buddy of mine thinks young guys will want to come to Philly and help build a team together.
I’ve never heard of that rule until now, my reaction is that would be quite unfair to the teams in the lottery, but maybe that is the point i.e. the NBA does not want teams tanking to get a high pick so they create this threat that the player can walk away.
I think it would depend on the player (and his agent). If it is a Eli Manning type who wanted to control the process, he might walk away if the 76ers have a high chance to draft them, but I think that would be the minority. Plus I may be biased, but I would think playing for the 76ers, a team rich in NBA and basketball history, with players like Okafor, Noel and hopefully Embiid/Saric on a rising team would be attractive. It would to me, but then I used to have posters of Dr. J, Wilt, Billy C and Moses on my childhood bedroom walls.
Not an NBA rule but a new NCAA rule that allows players to be drafted and retain eligibility if they don’t get taken. It’s really meant to protect players who file for the draft and aren’t chosen in the lottery.
As for Philly, it is not perceived as a glamour market (and the 76ers have taken a load of bad press over the tanking strategy) and PA and NJ each have an income tax (Florida and Texas are popular destinations because they don’t impose an income tax) but on the other hand the team is building a state-of-the-art practice facility, has perceived first-rate coaching in Brett Brown and D’Antoni, and taxes are not as punishing as those in NY and CA.
Good stuff. Thanks.
It’s not true that middle class teams are especially punished, and rarely do bad teams uprise spontaneously based on overvalued draft picks. Generally the status quo is preserved. A generational talent like LeBron is perhaps the most important thing, but a good organization is a close 2nd, and maybe easier to get. The franchises who chase LeBrons-in-waiting are similar to people who go to casinos.
After what has transpired in the Eagles FO since AR stepped into Philly, I see no evidence that HR is on a short leash. Jeff Lurie has stated over and over that he wants to win for this “savvy” football city. But if we read the HR ouster from the GM desk as an ultimatum from a HC that Lurie could NEVER fire, without appearing to be Jimmy Haslam’s jealous sibling, the history of the relationship between Roseman and Lurie suggests that the latter is damn near untouchable. Roseman clearly has something to offer Lurie on a balance sheet, relating to franchise dollars, player transactions, and general business efficiency. How do those talents translate into majordomo status in an organization that is beholden to its ability to build a roster? Where is the impatience, the oversight, the continual questioning and holding accountable, where is ANY of that urgency in the FO that we get from every talking head that faces the media? Lurie has been credible in every facet of his commitment to win, with this exception. A week before he pulled the rug out from under HR in the heat of Chip’s power grab, a reporter asked if Howie Roseman was still the GM. “Is that really a question?” He has been tone-deaf on the subject of enlisting known talent evaluators, and giving them the space and support necessary to get better at landing great players. We can look down our noses all day at Cleveland and Washington, and even Cincinnati and Oakland. We have enough dysfunction to secure our humility.
People said the things about Joltin’ Joe Banner that you’re saying about Roseman.
Banner was never GM.
Yet people said the same things about him.
Yet, Banner was never GM.
Neither is Howie
He was from 2010 to 2014
But he’s not now
And your point is?
Not to speak out of turn, but I would imagine the point is that the comments by unhinged about Howie Roseman are taking place now, when Howie is not the GM. As such, it makes sense to draw parallels to similar comments made about Joe Banner when he was tasked with similar responsibilities and, also, was not the GM.
OK, I get it now. I guess I look at this current power structure as a work in progress and try not to read in to it too much. When a permanent director of player personnel is eventually hired after the draft to replace Tom Donahoe, I assume the dynamic will be altered. Others may disagree.
HOWIE ismt the GM is some Lurie,semantics he learned from chip. The OL piss in our Ears and convince us its raining… They may be using some different job title, but Roseman has All the responsibilities of a GM and is soley in charge of making all the decisions that GM’s make….. Call it what you want
ATG nailed it. Point is, neither was Banner when people were saying he was indestructible. So it’s a direct parallel to Banner, who many thought indestructible while operating as GM (but not in name), and who was subsequently let go. Bottom line, Lurie likes Howie, but Howie is still on a relatively short leash at this point.
Which shows how ignorant the supposedly savvy Philadelphia sports fan really is.
For the nine millionth friggin time: ANTHONY PATCH and RICK MUELLER
Also for this great list of brilliant talent evaluators Howie has supposedly trodden over I do not see a bunch of Ron Wolfs, John Schneiders and Ozzie Newsomes.
If this regime fails, Howie will be gone.
Also salary cap dollars are a drop in the bucket of business and franchise dollars.
“If this regime fails, Howie will be gone.” Failure is subjectively defined to a certain degree. I don’t think TL’s assessment that HR is on a short leash is evident. If Mueller is an effective roster builder, why isn’t he a peer to Roseman rather than a subordinate?
I don’t see Howie getting fired if DP doesn’t get it done and I don’t see any evidence pointing to that. He’s made out of Teflon.
If Doug gets fired. Howie is getting fired too. There’s no subjectivity in that.
If Tom Gamble is an effective roster builder why isn’t he a peer to Roseman?
If Louis Riddick ….
If Ed Marynowitz…
If (pick name out of a hat that is currenly not a GM that everyone thinks could do a bang up job because he’s not a sneaky jew) is an effective…
You said he couldn’t get known talent evaluators to work for him. That’s just not true. But #narrative.
2 questions. “If Doug gets fired. Howie is getting fired too.” You’re certainty is based on what?
“If (pick name out of a hat that is currenly not a GM that everyone thinks could do a bang up job because he’s not a sneaky jew) is an effective…” What’s that about?
People’s view of money in football kind of grinds my gears. This isn’t baseball. There is a floor and ceiling. The cap is always rising, and thus the floor is also rising.
Dollars in the cap this year are more valuable in the pool than if carried over next year, when considered in a vacuum. For example if you spend 15% less on a QB this year as a hold over for a rookie, let’s say the difference of 15 to 18 million (roughly). That 3 million, due to quickly increasing cap dollars, will not hold the same value in 2017. If you do that odds are the % drop off in play is not proportional to the % cap savings. Essentially you take the team from a possible to contender to a team playing for nothing, and all you gain is a depreciated 3 million to spend the following year when you think you will contend.
My logic is probably flawed and only makes sense to me… But I’m used to that.
Well i do not think there is a scenario where we are talking a $3mil difference in QB’s. we will either go ‘cheap’ in a Chase Daniels/Sanchize/Foles area of 4-7 depending on bonus, or the $19mil for Bradford. Doubt we have any interest in more expensive FA’s like Fitzpatrick etc.
And paying Bradford in and itself is not a problem, $20mil in cap really is not a concern long term, but the bigger issue is needing to commit to 2 years of Bradford for ~$40mil, which starts to have a medium term cap impact meaning we loose people like Logan and cannot sign a good guard/WR in free agency.
The other side impact is that you need to priorities solving problems with the Draft if you sign that extension, need 2-3 OL, WR, DT of the future pretty limiting the options you have to go BPA. Compared to going cheaper QB, where you can resign Logan, sign a FA guard and middle tier WR with the extra cap space and then other than a QB early you can shop BPA rest of the draft.
That was more of a random, relevant example. More referring to the idea of how cap dollars are spent, and people’s general thinking about player contracts.
As far as what I would prefer to see happen this year; I still would like to see a tag on Bradford. That is with no knowledge of what it would do to the cap this coming season. If it meant we couldn’t add anything other than bottom tier FAs, so be it. If it means you start cutting players I want… My opinion would change.
So basically we will either start a backüp QB, or a starting QB(Bradford)… Gee I wonder which I should root for Lol…
They win the cap superbowl so that Lurie can pocket like 3 million extra dollars a year on a team that makes close to half a billion in revenues a year (and probably conservatively 30-50 million in profit even at max cap and cash) and has a valuation at over a billion dollars though!
Bashes head through keyboard.
Which the eagles always every year roll over into the next years cap (something some teams do not always do entirely).
We can have a strong roster next year if we keep our Talent in place. Hit on a free agent or two, and come away from the draft with like 4 playërs that can play…. But if only 2 or 3 offseason addition payoff, we will struggle next year
Keep Sam, even if it means tagging him, build up the O-line and find a safety. The Eagles will be a playoff contender. There, that was easy.
basically…. I assume Bradford will be the QB to proven otherwise. I don’t believe a team will let the best QB that will give us the best chance to win these next 3 years get away… Build around SAM, while we identify and groom a youmg franchise QB…l have to see Roseman łet Sam walk to believe it..
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Also in desperate need of starting Safety,,, but besides starting Guards and a starting Safety, all our other NEEDS are Depth Needs, so we should absolutely be striving for a division title next year… THIS ROSTER is closer to a 10 win Roster, than a 6 win Roster, no shot they view this as a rebuild
If Jeff would only put you and me in charge!
Kelly did inherit a team with some good pieces. The offense he inherited was very talented. The defense he inherited was pretty awful. The reverse is almost true for Dougy P.
Thinking about the team 3 years later actually makes me a little angry. Chip had a good offense in place, but wanted to mold it to something totally different. He had no defense and had no choice but to build it up. He has done a great job building the defense. All he had to do was NOT totally screw up the offense. In reality the offense now is probably leaps and bounds above what the defense was when Chip arrived. The big problem is that when Chip came there were two viable QBs. Right now there are 0 viable QBs and that is the biggest dilemma in sports.
If the Eagles get Alex Smith or even Teddy Bridgewater level of QB play, they can compete right now. Who knows how long the defense is going to be this talented. Strike while the iron is hot. Play to your strength and win games.
I disagree with the contention that winning a bad division isn’t good enough. Punch that playoff ticket and who the heck knows what would happen. This Eagles team isn’t the Redskins. They could of made some noise. Honestly..the skins could have too. They just obviously weren’t prepared for the big lights.
you have a very loose definition of viable. did you see vick and foles in action this year?
Dude. In 2013, Foles was the point guard of an excellent offense and put up Hall-of-Fame numbers. He played bad this year. It’s fine to have an opinion of his prospects, but why the hyperbole?
2014 also happened. if foles was anywhere close to that 27/2 guy he wouldn’t be benched for a backup qb.
Argh Foles is floored at this point, in that he to throw well he really needs to have big stride into his throw to be accurate and confident. Teams have identified this and are attacking him up the middle with pressure, and the last 2 years he has played behind awful interior lines that have not helped him at all, he gets moved off his spot and when he is not in his throwing motion he is inaccurate and lacks velocity.
However if you give him a clean pocket and good weapons he is good and is effective attack teams down the field. If he can develop his technique to tighten up his throwing motion and footwork and feel more confident still throwing in a muddy pocket he could still be a starter grade QB.
Payton and Brady are kinda similar in hating pressure up the middle, but both have developed fast quick throwing motions to counter fast pressure, and have OL schemes and protections designed to allow them to step up into the pocket to throw, so it is possible… just probably unlikely that Foles will get another chance.
tape is out, also in a much stronger division defense – wise. oc def doesn’t help. then again he performed worse than guys like austin davis, etc.
He was viable in 2013, wasn’t he? Obviously, he was even in the MVP conversation. If he had been more viable, he would have broken the NFL.
They were both viable in 13′ is what I meant. You could go into the season with those guys and expect the two to combine for an effort that wouldn’t hold the team back. It just so happened that we go lucky with a historical year out of Foles.
Currently we have Sanchez. I think he himself loses you games. Not really a viable option for a team that wants to win.
Disagree somewhat on the defense Chip inherited being awful.
He had Cox, Ryans, Cole, Kendricks, Thornton, Boykin, Graham, Curry, Coleman and DRC. That core led to most of the improvement defensively in 2013.
I still think the 4-12 record was very misleading, mostly due to total fatigue of the Reid walk year coupled with a major rash of injuries.
Think there was a lot of youth there as well that developed well in 2012-2013 which helped. Howie did a good job moving the roster about to get in a position to play 3-4 and give Chip the pieces that he needed.
DRC never played a snap for Chip. Kurt was a depth player and didn’t start a single game. Thorton was essentially where Taylor Hart is in his career right now and people had about the same opinion of him as they do of Hart right now. Curry was basically what more optimistic MSII fans see him as right now.
The secondary Chip Inheritted was atrocious. Can it even get worse than the DBs he Inherrited after 2012? Roseman, Gamble and Chip also did a poor job fixing the secondary in 2013. cary Williams, Bradley Fletch, Nate Allen, Eartl Wolff, Patrik Chung, Roc Carmicheal, basically the entire 2013 secondary that Howies Chip and Gamble put together NEEDED TO BE REPLACED!!!! not sure who should be blamed more for the 2013 DB debacle?
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Roseman still had Personnel power and Roseman has done a Horrendous job when it comes to evaluating Safety and CB… Boykin is prob the best DB Roseman ever selected..
Curtis Marsh
Roc Carmicheal
Earl Wolff
bradley Fletcher
nate Allen
kurt Coleman is worst Of all, HORENDOUS as an Eagle, and then we have to watch Him start on a Super Bowl team
carry Williams
Patrik Chung, another kick in the nuts watching him ball out for Bellichick
jaylen Watkins.
Ed Reynolds
Nolan Carroll was solid addition if Roseman selected him
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Chip and Marynowitz did a little better with Thurmond, Malcolm Jenkins(best thing to happen to our secondary in almost a decade, ROWE who looks like he has a chamce to be a player, and we have yet to see what JaCorey, Randall Evans,and Denzel Rice look like.. Maxwell was never going to be able to live up to that contract, but I still have hope that SChwartz and the defensive staff can get more out of Him than we have seen so far… At least Schwartzy will do what’s best for Maxwell instead of chip insisting on a certain defense, while also refusing to care about the effects of his offense on our defense… Pederson will leave Schwartzy alone to run whateber he feels gets the most from the defensive personnel, and I expect that to have a positive effect on Maxwell
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Chip did some damage to this franchise, but at least he left our secondary in a better position than he found it, which I appreciate since evaluating DBs has proven to generally be a weakness of Roseman… Hopefully Schwartzy and Undlin can identify some stud free agent DBs, and Some quality DB prospects and get this secondary to the level we need to be, especially in a city with such a rich DB History.l.
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Here’s a Hindsight kick in the Nuts for you…..today, our secondary could have been ROWE, TJ WARD, Malcolm Jenkins, Bradley Robey lol….
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All we had to do was pay TJ Ward a year early. Instead of paying Maxwell the following year, and Draft Robey instead of MS2….that sexondary would be soooo bad ass… Hopefully Scheartzy can build something similar
This 100x. Look at the crap roseman guy us (sconces and fletch). Chip has one season and we have too many good DBs gotta let some go.
hey tommy – how come some of my old comments are gone from recent posts? Is this another Stalin/Trotsky situation?
Probably because they were idiotic.
That can’t be it. Yours is still here.
if comedy is your day job, quit.
I know its been said before but I think the most logical thing to do is franchise bradford, trade him if a great deal comes, otherwise pay him and groom a first round pick for a year behind him. If he plays great, then pay him what he deserves with an extension. That would keep us competitive in the short term and have a plan for the future.
I think its crazy to not franchise the guy. What could we possibly do with the 10-15 million extra that it costs to keep Bradford over a guy like Chase Daniels that would have any impact this season or beyond?
Bradford will not play on the franchise tag. Why would he risk injury? He wants a big money long term contract.
I’ll give you 19M guaranteed reasons he would play.
It is a pretty steep hit for one year, then you are left in the same situation next year when the price increases at least 20% — needing to sign to a long-term contract. And if it causes you to cut a player this year you’d rather keep, it can have long-term consequences.
The tag can make sense if the eventual end-game is a trade or long-term deal. It removes leverage from the player — but you do need to be willing to take the tag if the player calls the bluff. It’s a tough game when the player isn’t really quite worth the tag number.
[…] Attitudes and Agendas […]
I am not an advocate for Jimmy’s work but in my opinion this was pure gold. Whether you are a Bradford fan or not, you should get a laugh out of this.
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http://www.phillyvoice.com/oh-places-youll-throw-childrens-book-about-sam-bradford/
Jimmy is the best Hack in town. Love the fact he does not take himself overly seriously but still does some really in depth analysis at times.
He really seems to emulate Skip Bayless.
Hey, Iggles Blitz guy, click this link and laugh your butt off. Whether you generally like Jimmy, or not, you’ll thank me.
Are you referring to Tommy?
WTF with the bunk bed at the end! This is HOF stuff here :), wrong but great.
Looks like the Vikings will be cutting Matt Kalil. Any interest as a potential RT?
Err depends on price tbh. IF they move on from Peters it makes some sense, but i doubt Kalil is wanting to sit a year as a backup/swing guy. Think someone else (maybe Carolina?) pays him to have another crack at being a starter.
They are also cutting MIKE Wallace
probably wishes he’d have just taken less money and stayed in Pitt. I predict he goes to baltimore or raiders.
He did NOTHING for the Vikings.. I hope teams wise up and stop paying him big money.,. Amazing how well the steelers have evaluated WR prospects.. Someone in that front office knows what a quality WR prospect is supposed to looks lke..
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MIKE Wallace
emmanuel Sanders
ANTONIO Brown (late in the draft)
Martevis Bryant
Wheaton
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They come a long way since Limas Sweed lol
and they were smart enough not to pay him money. When he was there brown was a nobody to the outside world. Who knew they had the best WR in the league returning punts.
Think that also has a lot to do w/ years of chemistry with WRs.
Also brown is making 0 dollars for this production, better pray he doesn’t get hurt.
Some folks here wanted to draft him awhile back, so could be some interest.
Matt Kalil was an utter disaster. He looked okay-ish his first year, but he didn’t face particularly strong DEs his first year. But he has been horrible since.
Not sure what happened with him at all.
I know it can be hard to find time to go shopping, and I always forget the card.
You are welcome.
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The Patriots fans have the best Valentine’s Day card though…
He definitely upgraded in terms of looks when he divorced his wife and started dating Linda Holliday.
She was at a foodie event I was at in Boston 2 years ago and she looks better in person. Yeah she has had plastic surgery along with a crapload of Botox but she was quite attractive.
I had no idea who she is so I Googled her. She seems a little top heavy;-)
Yeah they were most likely implants because someone that size/weight isn’t quite that naturally top-heavy. Wearing something quite busty too.
Then shouldn’t her jersey number be 2?
With all that cheating, it’s much more likely that she divorced him. So, of course, he had to prove his manhood by buying a plastic, but much younger, fake.
Alternative caption: “Sorry you chose the wrong brother.”
Wrong brother is the story of Philadelphia sports… Let’s see if we can get to 10 examples… I’ll start
1. Mike maddux (Greg)
2. Vince DIMaggio (Joe)
3. Bernard Kings brother (forget his name)
Can’t think of any Eagles (other than Kelce)but I’m sure you guys can help me out…
Albert King – Bernard
Jeremy Giambi – Jason
Kenny Brett – George
Frank Torre – Joe
Juan Bell – George
Ron and Rich Sutter – Brent
Casey Matthews – Clay
Eric Everett – Thomas
Tim Hasselbeck – Matt
Joe “Turkey” Jones – Charley Taylor HOF WR (half brothers)
Don Wilcox – Dave Wilcox HOF LB
What about my chocolates?
I know this is irrelevant here, but I’m having a slow work day and decided to respond to an article written over at Philly.com by David Murphy on Sam Bradford. Since I already have a disqus account logged in, there was no need to set up an account to reply.
Imagine my surprise when when having a lengthy post discussion with someone over contracts of agent Tom Condon, my posts start being disapproved by Philly.com. There was no malicious, snarky, profane, or off-color language involved. Now, I cannot post over there at all. Needless to say, that was the first and last time I respond to anything on that website.
David Murphy evidently does not like me disagreeing with him based on facts pulled off actual contracts.
You are better off
Your first mistake was going to that site in general to read an article on the Eagles. They are terrible there plain and simple. Still a little unnecessary to ban you for nothing.
Lesson learned.
It may have been your future self trying to save your braincells from being inflicted with the comments there.
I had a similiar experience. I disagreed, nicely, with one of the columnists. Got locked out. So much for Free Speech. I was able tog et back on after a couple of months, but as you say, why bother?
Panthers DE Kony Ealy became the first player in Super Bowl history to
record multiple sacks and an interception and tied the single-game sack
record with three.
Gotta say i was all over Kony Ealy at draft time.
Matt Forte not getting re-signed in Chicago — damn, tough business. He’s perfect for NE though.
awww snap! had not even thought of that fit. Forte and Williams go to NE, who will have cap room after extending Jones and Hightower to add a couple of cheap 1 year lets go on a Super Bowl run with Brady contracts.
Better fit as a 4-3 DE than 3-4 OLB….
Yeah i’d let him be situational even w/ a first round pick pass rush is that important.
Just in case you wondering- Blake Shelton go caught looking at Gwen Stefani’s ass. Sorry for the spoliers in case anyone was planning on opening that article below.
I didn’t think sane people actually read those dumb ads for articles at the bottom.
So why do people call Bradford “sleeves”?
You’re joking right?
Respect the Sleeves . . . .
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My man AC coming through with the only Eagles QB to be referred to as “sleeves”.
Aye, i’ t’was a glorious time . . .
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/08/sam_bradfords_sleeves_are_obviously_a_sign_the_eag.html
because he wears them? He’s not like all those linemen with their beef to keep them warm. ;~)
It’s “Sammy Sleeves”…
last time I made fun up them everyone jumped down my throat for discussing that on a football blog
Doug Pederson has told SAM that he wants him back…. Pederson seems to act like he knows that SAM does want to be back… Im kind of surprised he answered that question and publically stating multiple times that Bradford wants to be back instead of saying that he doesn’t want to speak for SAM…. But Pederson also acknowledges that he doesn’t know what SAM and His Agents say behind closed doors, but it’s pretty clear that Doug wants SAM back, and is hoping Roseman can get him under contract…
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“I have Told him(SAM) that he is very capable of leading this team deep into the post season”-Pederson..
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Doug also claims that he sees one or two guys capable of being Franchise Qbs in the draft, but Ideally, the QB would sit and Learn for a year or two..
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Personally, I think our Best case scenario is signing Bradford to be our Peyton Manning, and draft Wentz or Paxton to be our Osweiler, unless we thnk we can get a better QB prospect in next years draft…. What I DONT WANT is to operate like the Cowboys where we go all in with SAM but don’t think we need to identify and Groom a young QB, because with or Without SAM, we should be looking for a Longterm franchise QB while trying to make a run these next 3 years with Sammy…
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NOTHNG would be worse than Losimg SAM, Targetting a young QB in the draft that ends up not lasting til #13… What a disaster that would be,,even worse if the QB doesn’t last to 13, and we overdraft some other QB out of desperatipn
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What I am certain of is that I want Mark Sanchez GONE, bradford or No Bradford.
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I don’t think you can bring Mark Sanchez back, after it seemed like the entire team quit and was demoralized by SAM getting hurt and Sanchez taking his spot,… I saw a bad football team for most of the year, but we saw a Horrendous team that completely quit as soon as SAM got hurt in the Miami game..to me, that showed a Team that had No faith or respect for Samchez ability… I saw a team that didn’t even trust Sanchez to keep the team contending for the playoffs over a two game stretch… It’s not like they were,demoralized because they lost SAM for the season..yet they seemed to have zero faith that sanchez could hold the fort down for two games….. Doesn’t matter what we think of Sanchez, if the team thinks we are doomed with him and don’t trust him to be a two game bandaid, then Sanchez can’t be brought back for the final year of his contract..
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cut Sanchez Today, tag SAM if you can’t extend him before March 7th, and start hunting for a young QB.. It would be fantastic if we can draft a young QB and put him in a similar situation that Elway put Osweiler in..
I like the broncos comparison, especially with the chance to have a top shelf defense sooner if not later. Though having even just a little bit of explosion on offense could help. Fingers crossed on agholor. Though I felt the same way about Wolff a few years ago (I know the draft position isn’t close, but on field production just might be).
Ertz should really flourish under Dougie, the way Travis KELCE did for KC..
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I hope we don’t cut Sproles, because im extremely intruiged by the chance to put him in a similar role as westbrook and Jamaal Charles in the passing game.. I expect Sproles to be a much better Recieving weaoon under Dougie, than how Chip used him in the passing game.. But chip probably got more out of Sproles in the run game, than Doug Wil get out of him..
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ERTZ and Sproles in Dougs offense should be dangerous enough weapons to lean on at times, but to really see an explosive offense, we will need our young Wrs to grow up… I think chips Wr coach was ASS, so Hopefully they will Develope more in Dougs pro offense, running more pro style routes, under Greg Lewis tutelege.
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Im excited about Building up the OL, because doug had Kansas City looking like a potent run game, Amd I assume that wasn’t pass happy Andys doing..
Not only should Bradford be MUCH better than he was this year, but it would make him eve more dangerous if he could play Behnd a potent run game similar to what Alex smith had in KC..
“There are 3 top shelf QBs in this draft: Carson Wentz, Jared Goff and Paxton Lynch.” Wrong. There are no top shelf QBs in this draft. Those three are arguably the best of a so-so lot, and all of them will make 1st-round money because they lucked into a draft without a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck to compare them to. The chance that one of them will turn out to be a gem is no better than 1 in 8. It’s far more likely they’ll turn out to be Alex Smiths or Jay Cutlers. Or Matt Leinarts. Or JaMarcus Russells. Believe it or not, history shows the chance of drafting a winning franchise QB are no better in the 1st or 2nd round than in the 3rd or 4th round. The Eagles need 2 starting guards and a stud tackle to take over when (not if) Peters goes down again. If they don’t drastically upgrade this OL – and the draft is the best way to do that – it won’t matter who the QB is.
I think Its more likely that they end up being a career Back up…. Not sure they would be so bad that they will be out of the NFL like Jaarcus Russell..
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For me, a “TOP SHELF” QB prospects is one who EVERYONE sees as a top 10 QB…. I have a hard time calling Wentz, lynch or Goeff “top shelf” prospects when none of them are viewed as consensus top 10 picks.. It’s hard to find two experts that agree on these kids…. Heck you can’t even find a consensus about who should be the first QB drafted this year.. You can find so MANY Varyimg opinipns on This QB class..
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When you talk about a Top Shelf Prospect, I think Of a QB who is an Obvious top 10 pick… Jameis WInston Wasnt as great of a prospect as Andrew Luck, yet you couldn’t find ANYONE who thought that there was any chance of WInston falling out of the top 5, THATS a Top Shelf QB prospect….
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These Kids aren’t on wInston and Mariotas level…. When someone is a top QB prosect, EVERYONE KNOWS IT!!…. this QB class, you can’t even get two people to agree on what Order these 3 Qbs will come Off the board, and none are viewed as consensus top 10 picks…. That doesmt mean they Can’t become GREAT FRANCHISE QBs, but it definitely means that they aren’t “top Shelf QB prospects”, they are the best QB prospects avalable, and Tbose aren’t the same things..
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When I Look at Draftimg these 3 kids, it scares the crap out of me, to the point where I would feel fortunate if we came away from this draft with a Ryan Tannehill caliber young QB, and that’s nothing to be overly excited about..
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NOT EVERY DRAFT provides franchise QB’s…..the best QB prospect available won’t Neccessarily grow into the answer to our problems.. I DESPISE pretending .i,e we can just draft a Franchise QB whenever the hell we happen to need one….
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Unfortunately there is a real possibility that we could spend 1st round picks on a QB in the next 5 drafts and still not find a solution to our Franchise QB problem..
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I don’t understand people that make it about Bradford vs a Rookie QB, when in Reality we should be striving for both. The Healthiest way to go about this problem is the way Elway handled it… You NEED a quality veteran Starting QB that gives you a chance to build a contender Now, while you identify the right youmg QB and groom him on your bench for a few years until he is ready to take over the team… The worst thng we could do, is to get rid of SAM, sigń a bum like Chase dAmiels or Sanchez, and then start looking for young QBs out of desperation.. You could emd up wasting 3 years with Sanchez before you find a young QBS worth a damn.
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The healthiest way to do it is Keep SAM, while we search for our Young QB,… But this shouldn’t be some secret… The Healthiest way to transition from one starter to a young replacement is to draft a young player a year or two before you need him to replace a veteran starter… To Lose a starter at any position and then look for his replacement is NEVER a good idea, especially if you plan to replace him in the Draft…. The Healthy way to do it is like we did with Marcus Smith, who we drafted a few years before we needed him to start for us… Basically what we tried to do with drafting Hicks, Except injuries piled up and he was thrust into a starting position sooner than we thought… But,now we have the luxury of cutting a starter like Demeco because we already have a young player, we love, and want to see in the starting lineup in place, which is so much better than to cut Meco now, create a new need,and then go hope we can find his replacement..
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That is the healthiest way to replace atarters at every position, it’s even More Important when talking about some of the harder positipns for rookies to play like QB, and Corner.. hence why after we spent so much on Maxwell, we drafted ROWE, so that we could groom him before we have to ask him to take over as a Full time starter…
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SAM Bradford AND Draft a QB is what we should strive for, not Bradford vs a young QB… We NEED BOTH, Amd we have a healthy enough roster/Cap to pull it off, IF a QB we really believe in is available at #13….
Russel isn’t out of the league because he is bad. He is out of the league because he just didnt give a damn. Same reason Jonny Football is gone (oh he is in the leauge you say? We shall see).
Russell had a better Pro-Day than Bradford — who scouts said had the best ever.
Neither proved to be worth the 1st overall pick.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/30/mayock-jamarcus-russells-pro-day-a-cautionary-tale/
Clearly noone has the QB crystal ball. Qbs have to be developed – i don’t understand why QB coach isn’t a more highly coveted position.
They do have to be developed, and they should be developed before they hit the pros. College starts is one of the very best predictors (of a bad bunch).
Johnny football ISNT a pro talent.. I think even if he was an angel he would be out of the league by year 4… Not a pro Talent… If Johnny Manziel wasn’t a mess he would be a miniature Tebow
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But I certainly didn’t post that to get into a discussion about the Talents of Jamarcus Russell… But I thought he was all physical Talent with a Pea brain level of football IQ, and I probabky care more about a QBs football Brain, then I care about an amazing Physical talent… If Jamarcus Russell never had drug problems, Id still expect him to be a Kapernick, Rg3 type. All the talent, inadequate football brain…
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These 3 Qbs have enough height, arm strength, talent…. But so did plenty of top QB prospects who became Backüp QBs at best
Not really trying to defend him either lol. Just want hope that we can find out Joe Flacco! I don’t need Luck. Just one championship
I like keeping sam and getting two guards. Even if you get a young guy, lots of risk and you still need to get two guards.
And also possible to have a regular ol non-franchise QB who actually has a Franchise record setting season … and then trade him & and 2nd round pick for a dice roll coming off double knee surgeries
Remember the year Joe Flaccor and Matt Ryan came out? That was supposed to be a bad year for QBs.
Only two drafts in history have had Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. Wonder how they would do against Winston.
Well, I don’t want either, really do you? I mean, sure more than Bradford, but…
I think both are pretty darn solid. Any QB that can win me a Superbowl is fine by me.
Yes! Offensive Line first round. 3rd will be too late.
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Errr no. I mean how you can come out and say there is an equal chance in 2nd 3rd of 4th rounds and produce no evidence or facts to back up the assertion.
Since 2000-2013 (hard to evaluate from players drafted more recently yet) who are the franchise QB’s drafted outside of the 1st round? Brady, Wilson, Brees (32nd pick 1st of 2nd round)…. Bulger? Garrard? Schaub? Orton? Fitzpatrick? Cassell? Dalton? Kaepernick? Cousins?
So 3 QB’s that are legitimately franchise guys.. and one of them is was the 32nd pick.
Lets list franchise QB’s drafted in the 1st round:Palmer, Rivers, Eli, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, Newton, Luck
And you could argue at points these have been ‘franchise’ guys as well: Vick, Smith, Cutler, Bradford, Stafford, Tannerhill.
So yeah There is not the same fucking chance of getting a QB in the 1st round as else where that will start an extended period of games.
Is drafting a QB high risk? ofc – 150+ have been drafted in that period and there has been a total of about 15 real ‘franchise’ guys in that list. You have about a 1/10 chance to hit with a QB overall. In the 1st round 9/37 chance to hit a true franchise guy ~25%, or ~40% chance of hitting someone who is semi franchise.
Compare that to the rest of the draft that has about a 3% chance of striking a franchise QB per pick.
THE ODDS ARE NOT THE SAME!
I think I might fall in the “not” category above, but granting your premise, why do you then abandon that belief in regards to linemen? Would logic not conclude that one is no more likely to draft a franchise lineman in the first than later?
All-world OL may be as rare as OL QB, but the value equation is far different. Picking up a decent lineman or two is more helpful than a decent QB. Decent linemen form the bulk of great O-lines; decent QBs sit on benches or bounce from team to team as borderline starters.
I am not sure how to read this. The tone feels as if you disagree with my statement, but the content seems to support it.
That actually mirrors my own thoughts quite well, though. I don’t feel strongly that we should take a QB in the first, but I was unable to overlook the disconnect between saying that great QBs are in every round, but OL is important so we have to take one in the first.
It probably didn’t help that I wrote “OL QB” instead of “All-world QB”, thus destroying the parallel structure and introducing making my point nearly unintelligible!
My point is that picking up a OL, in the 1st or any round, has far less risk than picking a QB. A 1st round “meh” OL can still be a valuable decade-long contributor. A 1st round “meh” QB is nearly useless.
So… do we agree? 🙂
I agree with that, but I think the risk/reward equation remains proportional. A first day QB is higher risk, but also higher expected reward. ADay three QB is low on both. I would put a first round OL somewhere in between. Less risk, but also less expected reward.
Sure. FWIW, I say go QB if you really like the guy, otherwise go BPA tilted toward OL!
Wonder if Roseman has had any contact yet with Jhari Evans agent?
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Evans can be signed today, don’t have to wait TIL free agency, and because we need 2 starting Guards, I wouldn’t mind seeing them snatch up Evans before free agency starts..I don’t know how much he has left in the Tank, but as a stop gap, Id rather pay Evans, instead of paying to extend Tobin and The bearded Barbie…. Would be great to snatch up a veteran stop gap Guard now, and when free agency starts, hopefully we can snatch up a starting Safety, and be great if we could also sigń a starting Guard coming off his rookie contract… Even if we sigń two Guards, I still want us to spend a draft pick or two on the OL… I like that Evans is big strong Guard, who should be able to make Kelce’s life a little easier assuming Father Time HASNT kicked Evans ass too bad already….. Lane, Boone(or Sweezy), Kelce, Evans, Peters… Andrew Gardner on the bench, dennis Kelly, and a rookie or two is ideal…. It would be GREAT if Josh Andrews, Tanner Hankinson, or Malcolm BUNCHE can prove to be a steal…..I would definitely keep andrew Gardner, possibly keep Barbie Doll, but Turnstile Tobin can Kick Rocks as far as I concerned
Tough to assume the saints would cut Evans if Father Time had not kicked his ass.
Disagree… Simply because they didn’t have the healthiest cap situation… Doubt they Wanted to Cut Sproles when they did, and simce then imprettysure they haven’t cleaned up their cap yet… But I didn’t watch him play at all this year so you could be right
The Saints have the worst cap situation in the league. Evans isn’t what he once was, but the cap was the main reason he was cut.
In no small part because of Drew Bree’s contract.
Yeah he made sure he was the highest paid qb.
Partly, I think, because Brees was the President of the NFLPA at the time.
Tom Glavine left the Braves for more money from the Mets for similar reasons, I believe.
Both Brees and Glavine were strong union guys . . . rising tide lifts all boats-sort of deal.
It’s unclear to me why these guys who play a team sport aren’t willing to make their salaries more managible for the benefit of the team – like why was no one able to make that argument coherently to these guys, or their agents.
Maybe agents hope that worst case you restructure and push out the dead money, making it harder for you to cut later.
In football, the players are one injury away from the street. And some teams can’t cut them fast enough. So I get the players’ desire to max-out, at least, their first big contract.
But — to your point — that doesn’t mean players can’t agree to team-friendly *structures* for their deals.
You’re point is spot on – if teams didn’t feel that way they wouldn’t be so leery about giving up guaranteed dollars, even to superstar players.
I see what you did there…
Unless he’s ready to sign incredibly cheap non-guaranteed they need to save all the money they can for right now. If he comes in and they really like what they see that’s different.
And If they do get Boone or Allen, they’re probably going to draft a guard in the 3rd round for the other spot.
If we sign a starting OG then we’re probably going to trade down in the first round unless one of the top 2 CBs slip to 13. Otherwise, I don’t see us valuing DL as highly as some teams that need starting DL.
What does signing a guard have to do with 13. What guard do you like at 13 if that’s your point?
Because signing a guard makes us less desperate for OL help isn’t that obvious?
If they like an OT, I don’t have a problem taking one if they sign a guard. But maybe they could trade down and still get the tackle they want. When you have the 13th pick you want to use it. And there’s no guarantee they re-sign Logan. I like Logan but they’re putting a lot into Fletcher. Rankins is intriguing to me. Gotta see what happens with his stock. It’s a deep draft in DL though. I hear you DL isn’t immediate need.
I haven’t found a guard worth a 1st round pick much less 13th pick. But there are a lot of 2nd/3rd round guards. So signing a guard or not has no affect on 13 to. me
If they signed a guard that doesnt affect taking OT. If they like one of Decker, Conklin, Spriggs at 13 they should take him even if we sign a guard. It’s about future not just immediate needs. I don’t think those 3 tackles are BPA at 13 but they could like one (or more) in a private workout for all I know.
It’s a weird spot to predict. When you pick that high you want a top 10ish talent so trading down is scary. Eagles have struggled with 1st round picks in the 20’s also.
I think your issue is that you’re evaluating some of the college OTs as NFL OTs. Unless Ronnie Stanley magically slides to us then in my opinion we’re desperately reaching for the 2nd tier guys like Decker/Conklin. Decker is a RT at the next level and he doesn’t have the upside to be a top 15 pick. Conklin will most likely move to OG and I don’t think he’s a top 15 pick too. I’m not a big fan of Spriggs. If we didn’t have Kelce on the line then I could justify trading down for Spriggs and starting him at OG (which isn’t the greatest fit). Then we have two weak guys in Spriggs/Kelce playing next to each other. That’s not good.
Yea I agree with your point on Bennie not being resigned. I’m probably the few or only one that might think that Howie is shopping him around right now. On paper our DL is good but there is no guarantees that Graham or Curry play great. Heck we can say that for every defensive player that isn’t Fletcher Cox. I like Rankins too but I think we can live with just a guy next to Cox. Seattle and Denver didn’t have All-Pro DL. The only defense that comes to mind right away with 2 stud DL is the 02 Bucs with Sapp/Rice.
We would have been in better position if we didn’t beat the Giants in the last week of the season.
You brought up you want to take an OL at 13 if we don’t sign a starting guard. Who do you want?
I have said nothing about drafting a OL at 13…
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If we don’t sign a starting OG then we’re probably going to not trade down in the first round.
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Because signing a guard makes us less desperate for OL help isn’t that obvious?
I think they should draft a,Guard high even if they sign two Guards…
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However I don’t really expect Evans agent fo agree to a deal before he hits the open Market, but I still hope Roseman has contacted him already,,..Maybe, just maybe, finishing his pro career in Philly would appeal to him enough To get a deal done before Free agency, but even that is probably unlikely..
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Evans agent came on Philly sports radio a day or two after he was cut
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I don’t think there is any chance that the Eagles sigh two of the top FA Guards likee Boone AND Allen… But signing a top Guard like Allen, AND an older stop gap Band aid starter like Evans could be at least something to consider… I would prefer Tobin and Barbie not being in Philly next year..
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sigń a starting Guard in Free Agency AND Draft two OL (something like rounds 3 and 5), of Sigń a starting Guard, sigń an older stop gap veteran(mathis or Evans) AND draft an OL in round 3, waiting Til the following Year to draft another OL.. I don’t really care how they do it, but I want two new starting Guards and at least one new back up out of this offseason…
There could still be other OGs released as cap casualties. No reason to rush to sign anyone now.
And so Pope’s warned:
“Where angels fear to tread, fools rush in.”
Bow Wow Wow 1982 i think .. nice
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poet Alexander Pope – 1709
looks like Sinatra, Elvis & Bow Wow Wow all agree with you .. at the very least
His agent said they willmost likely wait Til free agency to sign… Free agency doesn’t really work that way IMO… It’s not as simple as rank the ten best Guards and try to get the highest two… You evaluate playërs and if you view someone as the right fit you sigń him….. There were like 4 “better safeties” available than Malcolm,jenkins, but he was the right fit for us, so we pounced on him before all the “better” safeties sigń..
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If there is a player available that you view as the right fit, you try to sign him.. The Only reason a team should “wait” is if they are struggling to come to an agreement and they need other guards to sign and help us set the price.
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Btw, most guys that get cut, aremt gpimg to come as a surprise to a front office. You would be surprised by how much projecting front offices do in advanced . They have a good idea which players are going to end up being cut, which can be available via trade…. It’s unlikey that they will be caught off guard by many cuts..
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If you a have a chance at signing a guy you think can help your team, and get him at a price that works for you, you sigń him if you can.. And when we NEED 2 Guards, it would be great if we could fill one of those spots before the market opens but it sounds like Jahri and his Agent ARENT having that… Not that I really care, since I probably have seen Evans play 3 times in the past 3 years… He ccould have drastically regressed for all I know, but the proceedure stays the same for any player cut now that could help us..
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Free agent has to be about the rght fit.. If you don’t think a guy is the perfect fit, you punt and try to find better in the Draft… You don’t have to fill every need in Free agency.. If you can get a good player you believe in now, foolish to risk losing him in case there is a surprise cut or two that you don’t already know is coming
If you sign him before free agency (i.e. before the start of the new league year) the dollars would go against the 2015 cap wouldn’t it?
Carson Palmer is making $14m a year, depressing that we have to consider paying sam significantly in excess of that.
wow that’s low ball
After his playoff choke-job, they gotta be pretty happy they’re not paying him more…
Ugh. How is this hard for people to understand? He signed it 2 years ago. Of course it’s going to be less than what someone signs in FA 2 years after, with a growing cap.
Any contract that any good player gets right now is going to make people go “WHAT? THAT’S CRAZY!” The question is how crazy it will look down the road.
We should worry less about whatever numbers we think Bradford is going to get and more about how the contract is structured, and what kind of flexibility it offers the team that signs him. That’s far more important than raw, context-less numbers that might seem outlandish today but will seem pretty normal in another year or two.
Apparently it’s hard for you to understand that a lot of folks on here don’t have faith in Bradford.
All of that aside, looking at contracts is always a challenge for two reasons;
– everybody is working off of everybody else’s deal
– every new deal is working off of the ever expanding cap.
Like Bradford or not, the deal he gets with anybody is going to have several layers of context beyond Palmer’s deal.
Although Latavius Murray’s final stats (266-1,066-6) look solid on
paper, he mixed in long bouts of ineffectiveness and also seemed to fall
into Jack Del Rio’s doghouse a few times. Caplan suggests the Raiders
could make a run at free agent Matt Forte, who would almost certainly
take over for Murray as Oakland’s starter. The Raiders are flush with
cap space and could easily beat out most teams if Forte is looking to
break the bank. The Raiders were major players in the 2015 DeMarco
Murray “sweepstakes.”
Wonder if they’d be willing to do what’s necessary to get DM back.
Have the Raiders landed a premium free agent in the past 10 years?
Since Warren Sapp in 2004?
Nate Allen 2014
and the tears began to roll down my cheeks
I kid, but i think oakland is a better destination this year than even 2 years ago, especially if peyton leaves the broncos.
I think you’re dead-on.
And 2015!
Justin Tuck? Granted maybe a little past his prime but still a good player.
So we could have a Murray-Murray backfield next season?
The popular opinion was that Chip is a terrible GM, but he is still a good coach,,.. I don’t care to debate that either way, but what I do know is that the 2015 Eagles, too frequently exhibited all the signs of a poorly coached team but I think that’s a good thing for us moving forward… It be way more demarolized if we saw a well coached offense, that didn’t make boneheaded mistajes but just wasn’t good enough to compete… For me, I can’t look at the majority of our offensive Players and feel like Chip got the most of them this past year which is ironic considering how many of Andys players had career years under chip…
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When I look at Ryan Mathews talents this past year, I see a guy who is capable of much more than we saw this past year, Health Permittimg, which is the issue with Ryan
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murray DIDNT look great, and he had no success last year, but Imo it had to be misleading considering how Often the OL DIDNT even give Murraya chance to do anything.. When a RB is hurdling defenders who are almost standing straight up, I have a hard time feeling that he is as washed up as his putrid stats would suggest.
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I think Chip got more out of Sproles in the running game then we will see with Sproles under Dougie, but Soroles should have a much better year as a pass catcher than he did under Chip… I was pretty dissapointed with The lack of creativity with how Chip used Sproles in the passing game. By Mid season all our opponents were sitting on the wheel routes and Chip did little to free him up…. But seeimg how Andy Reid used Brian Westbrook and how KC used jaamal Charles in the passing game, Im excited to see how Doug uses Sproles in the Passing game… IM CALLING IT RIGHT NOW, Sproles First TD next year will come out of Douge whipping out Andys trust old Shovel pass,
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Very year we say ERtz will have a breakout year, but he had a pretty good excuse this year having sports hernia surgery in August, rushiñg back for the start of the season,, Regardless what happened last year, you know ERtz is licking his chops with how much KC used Travis KELCE..
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Huff could benefit from being moved around, linning in the backfield, linning up in the slot
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AGHOLAR has way more talent than what we saw, So he is going to show improvement regardless of Who the coach is, but im thrilled to get our young WRs as far away from Bob Bcknell as possible.. Jordan and Huff may not be Ted Ginn type deep threats, but what they can do well is yards after Catch, which should fit Dougs West coast Hybrid well..
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i doubt this was a consideration when Dougie was hired, but when you look at Bradfords skill set, and the skillset of our young WRs, you have to admit that they happen To fit a west coast offense well, and im sure we will see plenty influence from a west coast offense in the offense Dougie designs
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But for me, the most,exciting change now that Chip is gone is that we won’t spend another 3 years watching Eagle RBs exclusively run out of shotgun…even when Shady tore the league up in 2013, always running out of shotgun is probably what I hated the most about The Chip era….,kansas city did such a tremendous job in the run game this year and I have a hard time believing that it was pass happy Andy’s idea. If it wasn’t Andy, good chance it was the OC who tuned that offense in a run heavy team after Jamal Charles got hurt.. We have an excellent blocking TE in Celek, and NONE of our RBs prefer running out of Shotgun, so I’m pretty curious to see how potent this run game can be, just one year After Chip made a mess of our run game
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I would also assume that a 33yr Old 300 plus Tackle like Jason Peters will benefit from trashing the constant uptempo Attack.. Running 60 plays a game instead of striving for 90 plays a game should be a great change for our Older stud tackle…
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I would think it cuts down the chances of injury if we run a third less offensive plays then we ran last year.. Id feel better about SAM and Jason Peters getting thru a game running 60 plays, instead of 30 extra plays, which is 30 extra chances of a player getting injured..
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Cutting down on the amount of plays should be able to prolong what veterans like JP and Celek have left in the Tank… chips offense is a young mans game..
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nothing made me want to punch chip in the face more than when we would lose a game and at the press Confrence chip would brag about how we still were able to run 90 plays, as if games were scored by the amount of plays you run
Faccccken GREATREaD Mr Giggety G Geagle.. start your own blog. .im ready to read
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jesus we need to get you typing lessons
This team is in purgatory right now and it has nothing to do with how Pederson might or might not do as the coach.
There is some young talent here but not a ton. Certainly not the kind of talent that Reid had defensively when he was hired here or Kelly had offensively when he was hired.
Even if they resign the thoroughly-mediocre Bradford, I just don’t see how this team are able to position themselves in the next 2 years to be a double-digit win team.
Don’t think that is entirely fair. Cox is as good a player as we had under Andy, and we have the potential to have a pretty consistent quality on Defense. We are not the Bronco’s with a pair of HOF pass rushers, but actually pretty similar to the Carolina’s defense, 1-2 special players, and good deep DL, and quality across most of the rest of the defense. Need an elite pass rusher or corner to make a mismatch but if we can develop one this defense could be very good.
Offensively think things are not as bad as Chip maid them look. We need a WR1 if Agholor continues to struggle (but 2014 excepted rookie WR’s struggle normally). But have a good pair of TE’s even if 1 is aging, deep group of RB’s even if Murray continues to struggle outside of short yardage, and RT/LT of the future and an aging HOF LT. If we can get some better play at guard and a help them more we can be a pretty good roster.
Still need a QB solution… I don’t think that is Bradford but the team might buy into his potential still, which in the short term is the best upside for 2016, otherwise they will get a QB to develop/start in time and how well they do that will define the franchise moving forward.
Ageee & They have a decent chance at drafting s QB of their choice I F they SD o choose choice
When you compare this defense to the Broncos or even the Panthers, I just don’t see where you get that from. This was a shitty defense last year that basically collapsed.
If Schwartz gets this back to a mid tier defense next year, he deserves some real credit.
I disagree, this is a good D that got worn down. Not much top-tier talent, but pretty solid. I will be shocked if they are not top-ten or nearish by the end of next season. Almost any D is going to look bad compared to the Broncos, one of the best D’s of all time.
I don’t get where the “worn down” narrative comes from. The Eagles defense didn’t slowly get worst over the course of the season. They collapsed spectacularly in weeks 11 & 12 against two of the worst teams in football.
“Our poor defense, they were just so, so tired…” Bull. They played six extra snaps per game. If you’re an NFL athlete, you should be able to handle that.
I see it less as a worn down issue, and more as a waste of the best talent the team has issue.
Where is all of this talent defensively after Cox and maybe Hicks? I’d argue strongly they don’t have another upper-echelon starter after that.
Maybe you include Jenkins in that group but I wouldn’t because of how he plays in coverage especially 1-on-1 vs WRs. When he was asked to play the slot vs WRs last year, he got beat regularly.
Exactly. Yeah they had some injuries especially to Logan and Hicks but this defense was horrible for more than half of the season too.
They collapsed in week 11 and 12 while the Cards could have hung ~50 on them if they had pressed a bit more going deep.
This team would have been 9-7 with a better kicker. And that was WITH Chip Kelly and Billy Davis’ inept coaching.
I think getting to double digit wins is all about how Pederson does as the coach.
If they win double digits next year, I’ll be really surprised even if they resign Bradford. He’s likely a better alternative but resigning him and riding him as the QB just placed a serious ceiling on this team. Ditto a new head coach calling the offensive plays. Also have a new scheme on defense too.
I don’t see this team being a dumpster fire but going through real struggles especially next year and being stuck with a few crappy veteran contracts including Maxwell, Peters, Kendricks, and Murray. Maybe Howie is a miracle worker in the draft but I bet he continues to be mediocre at best.
Id bet the initial spark from yhe
Lighten up Bob! This is the NFL. Teams can change pretty quickly.
How much of the defense in the early years was star talent?
Might only have been Taylor and Vincent. Guys like Trotter and Dawkins wasnt stars yet (or close too it)
CAR was 7-8-1 in 2014 and looked lost on both sides of the ball.
“The Philadelphia Eagles provide an ideal fit for Michigan State QB Connor Cook, according to NFL Media analyst Bucky Brooks.
‘Doug Pederson takes over, and he is going to re-install that West Coast offense that has been so successful for them,’ Brooks said. ‘I think Cook would be a nice fit with that.’ With Cook’s stock plummeting, it’s possible that he could be had early on Day 2. If a team falls in love with him, they may see that scenario as an ideal buy-low proposition for a potential quarterback of the future. Cook has plenty of time, of course, to rehab his image.”
unfortunately the Eagles do not have a 2nd rounder to get him with in the upper 2nd, although i guess you can trade your 3rds to get there.
Trade down in 1st to grab a late 2nd – grab Cody Whitehair or one of the OTs(assuming Stanley goes before 13). Then package the late 2nd with one of the 3rds to get Cook in the early-mid 2nd.
Well if they want Cook i would do it the other way around… deep OL class and he Cook is the only ‘2nd’ tier QB, don’t really want some of the teams in the early 2nd who passed on a QB in the 1st to go for him (eg Cowgirls/Chargers.)
Nah 24 year old guard isn’t worth a first. Whitehair is a mid second at highest to me and there are many 2nd/3rd round OL. You would do it opposite way. Team like Dallas, SD, Chicago could take him unless Cook’s personality is crazy.
Cook will have to nail his interviews and not come off as the asshole he’s been said to be to get in any coaches good graces but outside of his personality he is a similar QB to Alex Smith. 2 “game mamager” QBs with good mobility. I wouldn’t mind him if the Eagles can recoup a 2nd round pick without giving up many assets or picks.
Give me Prescott or Boykin instead. Cook is like a more asshole version of Nick Foles
In what way does Cook compare to Foles? They are like total opposites.
Both are pretty immobile, with functional pocket movement, both lack arm strength to negate bad footwork, both have bad tendencies.
Im not saying they are apples to apples, but Cook reminds me of Nick Foles or Kirk Cousins coming out.
Cook is more athletic than Foles and Foles footwork was even worse and he’s been a shotgun QB while Cook was mostly under center so there is no way his overall footwork has ever been at Cook’s level. Every QB ahead of Cook has some issues to different degrees with footwork. Goff and Cook also both improved in that area also. Goff maybe a little bit more.
I don’t think Foles is a great comparison. Goff’s arm is worse than Cook’s also and he throws off his back leg too although he’s gotten a little better. But these guys throw off their back foot some because they’re willing to hang in there and not take a hit so it’s hard to judge them.
Cook has more arm strength and athletic ability than Foles. Cook has a lot more velocity on his throws than Foles. I watched them both a lot. Foles significantly worse feet than Cook in college. Cook moves around , Foles didn’t. Cook threw a lot on back shoulder too. His arm strength is closer to Eli Manning than Foles.
Just what I’ve observed though.
Biggest issue i have with Cook is the criticism he has received about leadership and how he works with people. Being an NFL QB, especially in Philly needs a personal skill set as much as physical one and a lot of the reporting has not been positive in that regard.
Now obviously i have no idea how much of that is true and how is rumor but it is a concern. Interviews over the next 2 months will be huge for Cook. And he was an idiot not to go to the senior bowl.
I disagree friend. Cook is an outspoken asshole with very good mobility as compared to the mild mannered, slow footed Nick Foles and Cousins. Very different QBs.
Are we in need of a new H-back or WR? Sorry couldn’t resist re-registering our old disagreement on Prescott. I’m not a Boykin guy either.
But I agree Cook is putrid. I saw his comp was “poor man’s Chad Pennington.” That’s really poor.
All 3 would disgust me
I don’t think I’m going to be happy with anybody other than Goff or Wentz if we take a guy with an eye to be our starter.
The only “project” I like is Hack and I’m not going to take him as early as he’ll go. No way I take that dude before round 3. But he’s just as likely to never work through the yips as he is to develop into an NFL starter.
Anybody later that that is a career backup type in my mind.
Wentz could Intruige me if he can sit on the bench and learn for 2 or 3 years behind Bradford… Losing Bradford and Drafting Wentz who’s transition will take time, Does not appeal to me at all…. Paying Jason Peters 9mil to spend his last two years blocking for Mark Sanchez or a underdeveloped rookie makes zero sense to me
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But, if we can draft Wentz into a situation like Osweiler and Aaron Rodgers who sat for years before seeing the field, THAT would Intruige me..
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Im almòst more
Not sure why people wanna make Boykin a WR. He will be like the 100th best WR and he might be the a top 32 QB (is he really worse than a few starters?)
I think Boykin is a worse NFL QB than most 3rd stringers to be honest.
Is Boykin really worse than the likes of Mike Kafka? Hell are we sure Boykin would be worse than the likes of Sanchez and Gabbert?
Although I disagree with Anders on the guys he’d prefer, I really cannot say how much I dislike Cook.
Cook? Lol thanks for the laugh bucky
How about a Sat morning mock! (as an FYI Goff and Wentz went 2nd and 4th – there would be some VERY loud cursing done if that happens on draft night for real) I know what the Jets gave me to trade to 13 was “rich” so figure I didn’t get both Turner and Jones.
But overall, thoughts on the players?
Your score is: 8161 (GRADE: A)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20 (NYJ): Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20 (NYJ): Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina (B+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Sebastian Tretola, OG, Arkansas (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20 (NYJ): Deion Jones, OLB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 15: Pharoh Cooper, WR, South Carolina (A+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Evan Boehm, C, Missouri (A)
Round 5 Pick 23: Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU (B)
Round 6 Pick 13: KJ Dillon, SS, West Virginia (B-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (A+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A-)
I wouldn’t actively look to add another edge rusher. We need two waves of edge rushers and two waves of DTs to play in SChwartz system of exploding up field on every play…So DE is the last position I would want us to target this offseason. Im excited to see a BG,Curry,Barwin,MS2 rotation under Schwartzy…
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However, if DE is clearly the BPA when it’s our turn to pick in Round 1, I would want to see us Draft the DE, and then look to trade BARWIN for a 3rd round pick..but Im not activeLy hoping we replace BARWIN… sproles, plays an Undervalued RB position, was up there in age and he was able to fetch the saints a 5th round pick. Mufasa was younger, played a more valued LB position than RB, but was coming Off a down year coming off his first Achilles and he was able to fetch the Texans a 4th round pick… DE/3-4OLB is way more valuable than a LB and a RB, BARWIN had more left in the tank than SPROLES and Mufasa, so we should be able to get a little more in a trade than what it cost to trade for SPROLES and Mufasa… A solid edge rusher, who plays the run well and can drop in coverage better fetch more trade value than Mufasa and SPROLES.
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Hopefully BARWIN is an eagle this year, but if the clear cut BPA in round 1 is a DE, draft him, and then look to move BARWIN later in the draft..
Geoff Mosher claims that Eagles haven’t had any talks with Thurmond yet but that the two sides will talk at the combine. But Thurmnd doesn’t expect to be brought back by the Eagles because of the type of deal he is looking for..
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There is probably a better chance of Nolan being retained
Someone will offer Nolan starter money, but I don’t think it will be us. Rowe earned that spot and there are too many promising young guys for us to pay Nolan what he will get offered elsewhere.
nolan sounded like staying here was more important than chasing the best offer, just a few days ago…. But, if the Eagles extend Nolan it would happen before he hits the open market,and pretending we don’t have a need at corner is extremely shortsited considering im sure Roseman can’t wait to axe Maxwells contract a year from now… nolan could easily start at Nickel this year, and step back in at outside corner next year after Axing Maxwells deal off our books…. JaCorey Shepard may have potential, but I hope the next regime ISNT so dysfunctional that they would gift a starting spot to a kid that never played a single game in the pros, to make it worse, he is coming off injuriez.
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Since I don’t expect the Eagles to be active on the open market, im not ready to assume Nolan won’t be back… typically, I think it’s a terrible idea to get rid of playërs that were still clearly improving… The Kid made some nice improvement last offseason, now he got some more experience, Id be interested to see how much more he can improve…
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A young veteranwho is still improving that claims he cares more about staying here than Chasing the most Money, who brings outside corner, Nicksl corner and dime corner versatility, and solid ST play, I would hope we try to work somethng out, before letting him get away…. We seriously lack DB depth, and it gets even worse when you have a GM who is probably Countimg down the days TIL he can cut out expensive starting Corner.. Even if we can keep Nolan. We still have to add multiple DB…
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The main reason why I think losing Nolan ismt a foregone conclusion at this point is because I don’t expect us to sigń more than a free agent or two, and because we don’t have any other free agents we have to have back.. Pay Bradford, try to keep Nolan, and im perfectly fine with sacraficing Thornton, and also not bring back Thurmond, Barbie doll, Tobin, Ajiritutu….
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I think we should at least try not to lose both Nolan and Walter if possible. If we can’t agree on a deal with nolan, not the end of the world, but he is a high Charechter, hard working, versatile, DB who was clearly still improving when he got hurt,and Id try not to lose guys who were still showing growth…
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It’s not like there are 3 or 4 Eagle playets that we have to pay to keep from hitting the open Market.. And I think Roseman is done with crazy free agent shopping sprees… Shouldnt be too much to strive for extending 2 of our 7 Free agents (Nolan and SAM), and sigń two free agent upgrades like a Guard and a Safety (not Neccessarily the most expensive ones on the market)… I don’think its too much to ask to extend two free agents, and sigń two free agents from other teams.. That’s 4 contracts we have to hand out, and by the time Roseman is done cutting and restructuring playërs, finish his cap gymnastics, we should have at least 30mil, to get 4 contracts done….. I don’t think keeping Nolan is a lock or anything, but with at least 30mil in cap space, I think its a realistic possibility that we get 4’more contracts done between our own free agents and other teams free agents..
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Typically Id try to avoid losing as many players who were still improving when the season ended as possible…I don’t THNK its too unrealistic of a goal to keep 2 of 7 of our free agents. That doesn’t mean it’s definitely going to happen, but I think it’s a fair offseason goal to strive for… After all, there are some quality Eagles that I hate to see Go like Thornton and Walter that we would be Sacraficing… but we’ll see..
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curious to see how Roseman attacks this offseason. Id probably rather keep Thurmond instead of Nolan, but I think trying to keep Nolan is more realistic than trying to keep thurmond… Wouldn’t be surprised if the Giamts try to poach Thurmond back to New York
Death Rowe!
My offseason plan hasn’t really changed much, but over the next few weeks I am sure it will. There are already reports Bradford won’t be tagged. I think that is a lousy move, but if you think about the Eagles recent history, for some reason our FO seems apprehensive to use the tag. I believe they are too worried about their image:
1. Tag Sammy sleeves. Whether he is a stop-gap or is signed to an extension, he is the best possible scenario for now. The tag-and-trade option is there if it presents itself. Some people seem to think he will call our bluff and just sign the tag. I doubt that. And if he does fine, we have a reason to hope to go to the playoffs. We can still draft a QB (even early), but he will get to sit for at least a year– or until Sam gets hurt. (God forbid)
2. Cut Sanchez (no need for him if Sam stays)– could try to trade him for an extra million saved, but I doubt there are any suitors. Mark hasn’t caused any problems and should be given the opportunity to hit FA before the draft.
3. Cut demeco: no reason to have a back-up LB making that much. Resources could be better spent elsewhere.
4. Trade Barwin: my heart hates this move. I love what he means to Philly. But I wouldn’t pay an out-of-natural position back up that kind of money if we can re-coup any assets. Maybe Barwin and one of our 3rds for an early 2nd? Just spitballing *FYI– I would not cut him. That would only save 3.1M and that savings is not worth it. But trading him saves 6.1M.
5. Extend Jenkins (could save around 2M this year, give him a few more years); I’d like to do the same with Sproles. Some see him on the trade block, but i wouldn’t trade him for anything we will probably be offered.
6. Fantasies *Probably little to no possibility of this happening*: Trade Demarco. Some team like the Raiders, Jaguars, Bucs or someone trying to hit the cap floor may bite. But doubt it, it is not something you can count on.
Restructure JP: again doubt it. He seems to think he played at a high level last year.
These moves (1-5; 6 not included. I also did not extend Sproles in the cap projection) Leave around 17M in cap space. More can be made through some difficult moves or restructures/extensions.
Free agency:
1. Sign a Guard (4-6M)
2. Sign a Safety (5M)
We can truly draft for BPA depth at this point, which is what the elite teams do. Get the best talent available. OL depth, DL depth, LB depth, early or late round QB, WR help, CB to replace Maxwell next year, S to compete, TE to transition down the line when Celek retires, RB if he is an exceptional talent (we need to get younger at that position sooner rather than later. way too many resources dedicated to that position)
Post draft:
The cox extension will get done at some point this off-season. Other players can be restructured. I’m sure we will see a few surprises; it wouldn’t be an Eagles off-season without them.
Bennie Logan extension possible as well?
My offseason plan is to exercise more.
Those holidays pounds are stacking up for you too?
I was worried about Barwin too, but people here assured me he started as a 43 end, and did well.
I think if you keep Sammy you have to keep Sanchez. If you don’t keep sleeves cut Sanchez… Imo
Not a problem at all..
Barwin came in to the league as a DE and played DE before. Also the fact that he has lined up with his has in the dirt many times while he’s been in Philly.
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Can I ask you why do you have Bradford and Sanchez so connected that if you do or don’t keep Bradford that dictates whether keeping Sanchez? That doesn’t make much sense to be friend. Sanchez was terrible last year and is what he is at this point of his career and that is an average backup.Regardless of how the Bradford situation plays out Sanchez should be cut in favor of a cheaper option or rookie.
He is no Curtis Painter. I think if you keep Bradford you are trying to win this year, and know that you have a glass cannon back there. If you don’t keep Bradford, there are good odds the guy you sign is not actually as good as Butt-Fumble. Then his presence becomes problematic. He may then end up being our Curse Cousins… I mean Kirk.
Not saying I think Sanchez is good. Just saying I don’t like the looks of what the market has to offer.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly
Always thought Manning’s image was a bit too squeaky clean and this is a pretty sobering read. Peyton and Archie both come off as incredible scumbags in this article.
Makes you wonder too about other things that come up over the years including the human growth hormone allegations most recently and how Manning was kind of a shitbag to his teammates on the Colts.
This article is based off plaintiff’s assertion of the facts. Not a judge or jury finding or decision. It may be true or not. I’m just questioning the source and how the author doesn’t tell the reader about this bias.
I had never heard anything about this either until Media Mike mentioned it a while back. I was shocked.
Also I don’t get the fixation on whether or not she used vulgar language. So if she had a potty mouth that would make it OK for him to shove his nuts in her face? I don’t understand.
And I hardly was the first person on it, but thank you for the citation.
For as quickly as I jump on ripping people for all kinds of questionable behavior of players on and off the field; Manning getting a pass from the media all of these years is sickening.
Makes me look at the whole family in a different light.
Are you the judge, jury, and executioner now? Cmon Will you can’t come to the conclusion of looking at the family differently based off one article that may or may not be completely true about an incident that may have happened over 20 years ago.
Obviously if true…. My opinion Peyton and Archie is going to change; whether it happened 20 days or 20 years.
That’s if it’s true. No one should jump to conclusions so quickly though.
I usually think the race aspect gets overplayed. In most cases the only color that matters is green: which direction does the player cause it to flow. In this case, though I find it hard to believe I would have never heard about a scandal of this magnitude through the entire career of one of the biggest names in football if he was black.
Do you think this would have remained unreported if it was McNabb or Moon or Peterson?
Hell, wasn’t it Dez Bryant who was suspended for a year because he had a cheese burger with Deion Sanders in college?
I think they might put him under the jail if he dropped his junk on some woman’s face and his defense was that he was trying to moon somebody
yah that was it. He only had a cheeseburger. That was the only way reason he got clipped.
Yeah. Victim blaming, it’s what we do.
First off, this isn’t new news. Second of all, the Daily News reporter is a known fraud and what he presents is wholly what the accuser contended without any response from Manning or his attornies.
Heard about the article. Never looked for it till I saw your link. Can’t get close to finishing the author is just horrible.
Heard about the article but never read it till I saw your link. Didn’t make it far. Author is horrible. Guess I’ll never know the spicey details.
No matter how you feel about King I think the article is worth a read
By the time Roseman is done cutting playërs. Rengotiating deals and doing all his contract/Cap Gymnastics, we should have 30-35mil in Cap space to improve our team this offseason. There are some quality players that I really like who we will have to Sacrafice and łet get Away like Cedrick Thornton and walter Thurmond.. My Ideal offseason blue print looks somethng like:
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Players who need to be cut: Sanchez, Mufasa and possibly one of the three RBs.
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Expiring contracts we will not extend: Cedrick Thornton, Thurmond, Brandon Bair, Allan Barbe, Tutu, Tobin..
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Players we are trading away: Taylor Hart and CalebmSturgie expecting a 7th round pick, or maybe it’s more likey that we see a player for player trade, maybe get a young #5 WR/ST player in return, or a backup DT that is a better fit than Hart… It’s also possible that we see one of those trades where for Example, the Eagles trade Hart and a 4th round pick to The Niners, for a 3rd round pick in return, essentially using a player to move up one round from ome of our existing picks…. I guess it’s also possible but unlikely that we could see demarco Murray, or Ryan Mathews traded away. Possibly could trade a guy Like Commar Barwin on draft night if a DE happened to be a BPA when we picked in round 1..
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With the 30mil or so in cap space, im hoping we can extend two of our free agents, and sigń two starters in free agency, something like:
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1) Extend SAM Bradford after getting the Sanchez contract off our books..
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2) Extend Nolan Caroll who not only can add depth at outside corner, nickel and Dime, but could also step in and replace Maxwell opposite of ROWE if Roseman cuts Maxwell next year. be great to have a proven starting slot corner, simce we don’t know what we really have in JaCorey Shep coming off an injury…
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After extending our own players, I don’t expect to see some flashy free agent campaign Targetting big names at a bunch of different positions. hoping for a somewhat modest but effective free agency, only upgrading two staring spots but making it count. Somethng like:
1) Sigh George Illoka or Tashuan Gipson which would be a great robin to Jenkins Batman at safety. There will be bigger names like Berry, Weddle, Reggie Neilson, but there were bigger names available also when we plucked Malcolm Jenkins out of free agency which proved to be a Homerun signing… Illoka and Gipson can be that perfect Jenkins type signing..
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2( it’s no secret we need a Guard.. best Case scenario we add a Boone, Allen, Sweezy type starter, but if we,can’t afford the more expensive guys like Boone, we can turn to a cheaper band aid with an older stop gap veteran like Maths or Jhari Evans..
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That’s really all I ask.. Keep 2 of our 8 free agents.. And Sigń 2 free agents, a sttarting Safety, and a starting Guard who can be here the next 4 years, or. Cheaper quality veteran who can get us to next year where we can get that Guard after freeing up more money… If we can add those 4 players, we can go into the drafts for the most part only needing to fill depth Needs, which allows us to not have to draft any positipn out of desperation.. But what’s really great about only having depth needs is, that if Wentz or whatever QB we really LOVE is available at #13, we can afford to draft him even tho we just committed to Bradford for a 5yr deal that we can get out of in yeàr 3… Sitting on the bench for 3 years would be perfect for Wentz, while it also protects us from Bradford getting injured…. But if no QB we LOVE is available at 13, hopefully we can fill most f these depth needs, in no particular order in this draft:
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Rd 1) starting Guard who can eventually move to RT would be ideal
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Rd 3) SAM/MIKE Linebacker
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Rd 3) DT backing up Cox, must provide interior pass rusher next to Beau the run stuffer
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Rd 5) G/C
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Rd 5) cornerback
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Rd 6) QB
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Rd 7) DE
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And if our Cap is tight (doubt it) keep in mind that there are probably going to be some expensive contracts cut after next season:
1) Byron Maxwell (which is why it’s important to me to keep Nolan)
2) Demarco Murray
3) Sproles
4) possibly Jason peters
5) Possibly Barwin
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So even if we pay to keep SAM and Nolan, we still have plenty of money coming off the books next year to be extending Cox, Logan, Jenkins..
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Our starting SECONDARY next year could be ROWE, Gipson, Jenkins, Maxwell, and Nolan and JaCorey as the Nickel and Dime corners..
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Next offseason we would have to transition to a cheaper youth movement at Runningback
The problem with a lot of those cuts is that they create holes you need to fill. You can cut Sanchez sure, but it might cost you nearly as much if you want a veteran backup like Chase Daniel. You can let Barbre and Tobin leave, but now you desperately need not only 1-2 starters at guard (depending if you want to rely on Josh Andrews coming off a season-long injury), *plus* backups. I’d be much happier if at least one of the starters this past year was there as a backup this year. You can only get so much through the draft — and unless you fill them with out-of-work players you’re still spending a fair bit on free agents. Even those do begin to add up.
Cooper was the only obvious cut, and that was done the first day they were allowed. Sanchez would save a bunch of cap, but backup QB is still an important decision, and unless you have a young guy you have confidence can play now, Sanchez may still be a good one to keep. If you can find a guy you like just as much for less, or like better for the same money, then absolutely — and I would not be surprised at all. He’d be learning a new system too and Pederson would probably prefer someone he knows plays well in his system. But it’s not a guarantee we can get that guy, yet, so they will probably keep Sanchez until they do — or at least figure out their #1 QB plan.
Mufasa… again, attractive amount of cap room to cut, but since Hicks and Kiko are cheap they aren’t spending a ton of money on the LB position overall. And he could still be a good mentor, and there are injury questions on most of those guys. Not a sure bet he’s gone.
Sproles is also an attractive cut — but he was also one of the more effective guys, and was a good returner as well. You hurt special teams badly unless you add some other guys.
If we sign Bradford, then we probably lose the luxury to keep those guys, yes. Of your 30-35 million though, about 10 is rollover money, which will not be available next year if we use it this year — so it has to be used on one-time expenses which do not have the same basic cost next year. We have room, but not tons, and a Fletcher Cox extension might eat up a lot of that.
I think Murray is a likely cut next year, but not so sure on Maxwell. He’s expensive yes but is playing pretty well, at a position which is still expensive to replace. But if they do sign Carroll (or for that matter, Thurmond) for big money which explodes next year, that might be a sign.
It was all accounted for
Why prioritize Carroll above Thurmond? One is a non-starter in the base defense, plays a traditionally more expensive position, and has young potential behind him, the other was a full year starter and has no clear replacement.
Are you assuming he is too small for the new defense? That he will command substantially more money, but isn’t worth it?
Personally, this was the most enjoyable safety play since Dawk left. I don’t want to screw that up just to give the money to a nickel corner.
13: R1P13
S JALEN RAMSEY
FLORIDA STATE
77: R3P14
G CHRISTIAN WESTERMAN
ARIZONA STATE
79: R3P16
WR KENNY LAWLER
CALIFORNIA
114: R4P15
DT SHELDON DAY
NOTRE DAME
153: R5P14
WR MALCOLM MITCHELL
GEORGIA
164: R5P25
G REES ODHIAMBO
BOISE STATE
Draft simulators are so silly.
Yet fun.
Ramsey is the guy I really want, but shouldnt be close to getting unless we trade up.
I’d do-sign that… For Ramsey to have any chance falling to #13, we would probably need to see two QB drafted in the top 12, and a DB or two coming off the board before Ramsey to have any shot in Ramsey making it to #13
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However, safety is important and iit has plagued this franchise for years, so if by some miracle Ramsey falls to like #9 of #10, Id love to see us move up a couple spots to a secure a STUD like Ramsey, similar to Roseman moving up a few spots to secure Cox, the Eagles best player
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This draft is the BARE minimum i would accept from Howie this Draft:
Round 1 Pick 31 (DEN): Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17 (IND): Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State (A)
Round 2 Pick 26 (SEA): Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech (A+)
Round 2 Pick 28 (K.C.): Le’Raven Clark, OT, Texas Tech (A-)
Round 2 Pick 32 (DEN): Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Jack Allen, C, Michigan State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (A)
Round 4 Pick 15: Karl Joseph, SS, West Virginia (A+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Charles Tapper, DE, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 23: Bralon Addison, WR, Oregon (A+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Victor Ochi, OLB, Stony Brook (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Aaron Green, RB, TCU (A+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Kevon Seymour, CB, Southern California (A+)
If we end up with 5 picks in the first two rounds I will ship Howie to Germany personally..
What on earth did you trade for the first three second rounders?
Trade down. Trade down. Trade down is how that wound up that way.
When I do any mock drafts like that, I usually preface them with; “I know this ain’t happening, so tell me what you think about the guys.”
Seriously, why do people waste our time with these Madden clown trades?
Because what else can we do but convince ourselves that Howie should be able to pull off something similar, and then be outraged when he doesn’t?
What’s funny is that I really find myself not liking Lynch, so I’m not sure if that is the best investment of a first round pick.
Solid crew otherwise especially if I can look at Whitehair, Clark, Allen, Lane, and Westerman as my starting o-line in 2017.
I’m kind of mixed on Tapper, he irked me by not playing as well I would have liked to have seen vs. f-face Clemson in the national semi-final game. I’ll need to look at him in more depth.
Here is a non-trade down version
Round 1 Pick 13: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford (B)
Round 3 Pick 16: Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 15: Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois (A+)
Round 5 Pick 23: Kevin Peterson, CB, Oklahoma State (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: David Morgan II, TE, Texas-San Antonio (B-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Antwione Williams, OLB, Georgia Southern (B-)
Round 7 Pick 30: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A)
Do we really have 3 2nd round picks.? I thought we had none .. i like your ideas but i am missing sumpin
mad trade down skills that Howie has got them.
In all seriousness was a bit of a joke at first-pick.com, but also i think it makes the arguement that if the franchise QB is not there to trade down and down in the 1st, for extra resources to draft a pretty deep and talented OL class. I will not pretend to evaluate interior OL (i base all my opinions of draftnik’s and people who have all 22 film of college so can evaluate those guys properly) But the Tackle group seems really good and i like Clark as much as a lot of the tackles slotted to go in the 20’s.
Cook is like a more asshole version of Nick Foles
And the Oscar for the best comment of the year goes to… Anders!
You can’t really imagine how much pure Gold that comment carries. Quality!
“There is no right or wrong answer to all of this” Yes, there are absolutely right and wrong answers. They people at NovaCare gets lots of our time, and plenty of our dough. This team is tottering on the edge of falling into an abyss and becoming the new Cleveland. Being wrong is not ok.
How is it close to Cleveland?
Ha!
I’m just as angry as anybody when moves I don’t agree with don’t work out, but to be Cleveland-level bad is light years away from our situation.
neglidelphia at its best
I am the first person grousing when there are moves I don’t like, but ?s about the team = WE’RE THE BROWNS is comical.
totally agree. I too am the paitent zero of “i told you so’s” when I called a bad move, but I don’t get the disaster alarmists at all
No, this is worse. This is Cowboys-fan-like delusion. Completely divorced from reality, followed up by a dogged defense of inherently indefensible points.
Things didn’t work out with Kelly, but three years ago he was the top candidate for head coaching position. That came after a decade of respectability under Reid.
Yeah, it’s not a great situation. Absolutely right it’s not chaotic incompetence like Cleveland.
Unproven, chaotic front office. No franchise quarterback. Talent poor team, only two Pro-Bowl caliber players (Cox and Jenkins.) They’ve been to the playoffs three times in a decade, have not won a playoff game since 2008. They have a new head coach with no HC expirience and only a short career coaching in the NFL, who nobody else in the league saw fit to interview for any other head coaching position. This organization is a mess from Lurie on down.
If you think anything here is that bad on a permanent basis, I’ll keep an eye on the obituary section for keeping a kind word about a fellow Eagles fan when you kill yourself.
I make really decent money. My wife makes even more. She’s really hot too. My kids are smart and athletic. I’m not killing myself. But if you don’t see how bad this team could be I can’t help you. This is totally on Howie now. He got everybody fired, he wants to be the grand poobah. If he doesn’t ace this draft, if he blows #13 like he whiffed on Marcus Smith, they’re not going to recover any time soon.
Congrats on the income and wife.
But your statements are coming off as apoplectic. I don’t see it and you’re right, you’re not really able to be helpful.
Lane Johnson is a decent player. The Eagles need two guards, plus a tackle because the odds are in the favor or JP being done. Players in the NFL who fall off at 33 rarely rebound at 34. The center has played 2 good seasons in 4, and may not be who the team had expected him to be. They may be able to salvage one guard from the 3 who failed this season. That means they need at a bare minimum two new players on the O line, who will both be rookies. All we have heard for two years is the line takes time to gel, they need continuity. So is it not unreasonable to expect deficient offensive line play next season? Two new young players, a retread, a center of questionable ability and a guy changing position. That does not sound like a recipe for success to me. That also hinges on Howie and his ability to draft quailty players that can contribute quickly. If it is reasonable to suggest that the offensive line will not be a strength next season, it is not much of a stretch to expect the run game to struggle, and the as yet unknown quarterback to not have much time to read defenses prior to throwing the ball. If the offense has difficulty sustaining drives and scoring points, then would we not expect a repeat performance from last year’s defense? Start the season well, then fracture and finally fail at some point in the year? I don’t trust this group of players. I don’t trust this new head coach. I don’t trust this front office. I haven’t missed a home game since the late 90’s. I catch an away game almost every season. I’ve never been this negative toward an Eagles team. But I think they’ve done most things wrong over the last few years, and I don’t believe they have anybody in that building who can get the organization turned around.
All solidly explained current negatives. But I don’t see anything you say as permanently bad enough to put us in the Cleveland territory.
The Dream Team debacle? That made them the laughingstock of the league. Watching Andy Reid while his team quit and let him be embarrassed throughout a 4-12 catastrophe? The Chip vs Howie power struggle that demolished a once steady, moderately proficient organization? Your pain threshold must be astronomical in measure. I simply no longer see it as noble, the punishing beatdowns this fan base must endure. It’s not endearing anymore. I don’t accuse them of duplicity, or any dishonesty. I believe Jeff Lurie wants to win. But I no longer have the faith on him that he can select the people needed to build a championship quailty team.
Try actually being a Cleveland fan for a few years. Then see if we have been anything like as bad.
It’s easy being a a Browns fan. Without any hope, there is no disappointment. We’ve been told a few times, this is the year. Birds are going to the Super Bowl. Smartest new coach, going to change the league. National pundits predicting 13 wins for Philly. The Browns have no expectations.
In other words, we are nothing like Cleveland.
QED.
Oh, you would be surprised. When you season is over in October, you have a long time to rationalize why things will be different this time before the following August.
How much can you bench?
That’s actually not an inappropriate line of discussion when headed into the draft. When I see NFL “prospects” come up with some really weak bench press rep numbers, I enjoy mocking them endlessly.
And a big FU to anybody who wants to use the “long arms” excuse for their under-strong self.
The Eagles are nothing like the Browns. Nothing. Just stop. Are they a good team right now? No, but they aren’t the train wreck that is the Browns.
This is my standard response i copy paste in to anyone who compares us to the Browns.
Please if another person compares us to the FUCKING BROWNS i will go nuts.
WE ARE NOT THE FUCKING BROWNS. It is fucking insulting to Browns fans to compare our situation to the Browns.
We have had 3 lossing seasons since 2000. 3! We have had not franchise QB since 2009 and have still only had 2 loosing seasons. We have 3 head coaches since 2000.
The Browns have had 2 winning seasons since 2000. Only 2. They have 1 playoff game since 2000, They have had 9 coaches since 2000.
The Browns are a true factory of sadness, organisationally incapable of any kind of success, who players avoid, have the worst reputation in the league, who pick their QB’s partially on the recommendation of homeless people to the owner, and their main focus every year is to try and generate enough buzz to Con people into buying tickets each year to watch their consistent shit show.
You can hate Howie, Doug, most of our roster… but they will need nearly a decade of consistent failure to even begin to be comparable to the god damned Browns.
AMEN PASTOR!
you are a tool for using the language you use, you’re either a kid or you’re parents did a horrible job in raising you
Isn’t this the sock puppet account for the troll account?
Yep. Two of the three aliases right there.
I actually don’t think they’re the same person, this kid Aaron is just a total moron and has shown it on too many occasions.
The number of comments from that account are so few, that I’m still liking it for a sock puppet.
For a while I thought they were the same person. I’m still not sure actually.
And you are a stupid loser who’s parents did beyond a horrible job of raising you.
Since 1999, The Browns average 5 wins pr. season and have made the playoffs once.
Since 1999 the Eagles have had 2 season with 5 or less wins, but made the playoffs 10 times. The Eagles have won 11 play-off games since the Browns last victory in the postseason.
Since 1990, the Browns have a winning season 3 times. Since 2010, the Eagles have had 3 winning seasons, 1 even season and 2 losing season.
Since their last play-off game, the Browns have finished 4th in their division 11 times, 3rd and 2nd once. In the same period the eagles have finished 4th in the NFC East 3 times. In twice of those 3 last place division finishes, we had more wins that the Browns have had in a season for the past 10 years, except 1.
Let me refrase that: 2 of the times we sucked and had a horrible season finishing last in our division, we still had more wins that season than the Browns have had in 9 out of the last 10 seasons.
Reading a few of the comments posted, I thought the Eagles were teetering.
http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/13/bills-pairing-of-rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-never-stood-a-chance/
Kind of a postmortem on the Bills defense and what they lost when Schwartz was fired by Rex Ryan
We all owe Doug Marrone a debt of gratitude.
I feel dirty agreeing with you on giving Doug Marrone credit for being anything other than a dog turd coach.
You’re one dumb dog. According to the post one post older than yours this team is the worst franchise in the NFL. So we have to assume the Schwartz also sucks.
Why are you wasting our time with actual content?