DeMarco Drama
Posted: February 27th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 318 Comments »Just what you wanted to hear. DeMarco Murray isn’t happy. Still. At least this time it isn’t Chip Kelly. Now he’s unhappy with…ah, who really cares. Murray basically wants to go back to Dallas and he’s not going to be happy until that happens.
At this point, the Eagles would love to get rid of Murray. He’s an expensive headache. The situation is tricky because of his contract.
The message teams are receiving this week: DeMarco Murray still not happy in Philly. Trading him will be difficult, but #Eagles will listen.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 26, 2016
DeMarco Murray's affinity for DAL is evident. So is his $13M cap hit for #Eagles. Plenty to work out. Teams know his situation is unsettled
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 26, 2016
The Eagles have to figure out some resolution to this situation. It doesn’t sound like keeping Murray around for 2016 is something you want to do.
So now we have to start looking at RBs. Thanks, DeMarco.
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I was very impressed by the OL group at the Combine on Friday. I don’t have time to fully write on them right now, but I will tonight or in the next few days. The Eagles are going to have some good options in the first 4 or 5 rounds.
OL coach Jeff Stoutland ran one of the drills. He was active and up close in watching the prospects. You know he’s got to be excited to finally get his hands on some good young players.
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The OLB position is a bit of a mystery since we don’t know where Mychal Kendricks or Kiko Alonso will line up. One will be the SAM and one the WIL. You can make a case for each guy at each spot. Beyond that, we also don’t know which Kendricks and which Alonso will show up.
There is no question that both Kendricks and Alonso were disappointing in 2015. Alonso was coming back from a significant injury and then got hurt during the year. He is completely healthy now and I think he’ll be a much better player this time around. He was a star in 2013. That wasn’t some fluke season. You need him to get healthy and regain his confidence. I think playing for Jim Schwartz and not having to deal with Chip Kelly’s up-tempo style will help him to bounce back.
That said, there are no guarantees. Alonso wouldn’t be the first player to get hurt and never bounce back. I think the coaches will keep a close eye on him this spring. Alonso needs to show them that the guy from 2013 is still around.
Kendricks struggles are more of a mystery. It seemed like maybe having to compete with Jordan Hicks, DeMeco Ryans and Alonso got to him. Kendricks has never been the smartest LB or even overly instinctive, but he took a step back in 2015. He could also have a bounce back season in 2016. The 3-4 is more complex and more demanding that Schwartz’s attacking 4-3. Kendricks should be able to think less and just play. That should help to bring out the best in him.
I do think the Eagles need to bring in a veteran OLB to provide depth and some competition. Najee Goode is back, but he’s more of a STer and role player.
Some people want the Eagles to get rid of either Alonso or Kendricks because of the 2015 struggles. I think you have to be careful about overreacting to a bad year. Players are human. They can have down seasons. If they are young and healthy, you want to take a chance on them getting back to their good form.
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One player I’m excited to see today is QB Paxton Lynch. He seems to be 3rd for most people and could be on the board at 13. Jimmy Bama wrote about Lynch and the fact he may need to sit for year and develop.
Re-signing Bradford and drafting Lynch at 13 might be an ideal way to improve the QB situation for the Eagles, for now and the future.
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Interesting that Rapaport has been the only one that has originally reported the DeMarco doesn’t want to play in Philly narrative. Typically if that is agent-driven, the agent leaks that to multiple media members. Seems like Rapaport’s source is different. Maybe someone with the Eagles trying to entice offers from other teams. Maybe Murray directly or more likely one of Murray’s friends/relatives/significant others that wants him back in Dallas.
Think it is a bit of a non story unless he is willing to take a pay cut. Eagles will trade his ass for a 7th or maybe even less (some practice squad undrafted Y2 guy). Problem is no one is paying him his $$ in 2016 or 2017, and the Eagles will not cut him since he is good enough short yardage back to be worth keeping about rather than cutting and eating his entire guaranteed salary.
Normally, I’d agree with you, but a team like Oakland is so far under the cap and have to spend to reach the cap floor. If say Doug Martin re-signs with TB, I could see them taking a 1-year flyer on DeMarco. There are ways to make a trade more palatable for another team besides a pay cut. DeMarco has a fully guaranteed 2016 salary. The Eagles and Murray could convert part of that to a roster/signing bonus that the Eagles pay and leave the rest in salary that would be traded to another team.
Hmm maybe i had not considered those teams who will pretty much struggle to spend their $$ and attract the best free agents to get the the salary floor.
This is my line of thinking as well. Some of those less desirable FA locations may entice a team to take a chance on a talent like Murray. Not saying it’s a sure thing, but it may not be a long shot like we all think. To the people in Dallas and such that are waiting for him to be released: I have a very had time thinking Howie would pay him 13M to play for another team next year. Chip may have… But I cannot see that from Howie.
On a side note: I saw a legitimate amount of people on BGN getting excited about the thought of DM and our #13 for DAL #4. How stupid are you? Do any of them know the value to get from #13 to #4?
Jacksonville also has a boatload of cap space
I just don’t see Oakland giving up assets and paying Demarco his league leading salary at RB when Latavius Murray has proven to be a solid every down back. They could spend big bucks on a different position of need to meet the salary floor
It’s not super untradeable. The acquiring team would be on the hook for 7 mil this year and 2 mil next year. That’s it.
If you’ve got the cap space and an unsettled RB situation (Jax or Oak) I think it makes some sense.
Coach . . .
How’d you rate the Eagles’ draft if they came away with Braxton Miller, Jason Spriggs, and Connor McGovern . . .
along with [pick a QB in Rd 3]?
Ehhhh. Like Spriggs and McGovern. I’m not as worried about WR. For me it’s find a guy who can fill a role on day 3.
Out on mid round QBs.
They won’t unless they make some trades. Spriggs and Miller are both rounds 1-2. Considering we only have a 1st and not a 2nd, we would have to either trade back and pick up a 2nd, or trade into the 2nd. And that’s if either is there in the 2nd. I really liked McGovern before the combine and he was ranked a 5-7th rounder. His performance may have pushed him to late day 2 or early day 3.
He’s probably just tired of the media.
I wish that some of the local media owners held their beat reporters and columnists as ‘accountable’ as they feel Howie should be. So much drivel filling column inches and so consistently wrong.
BS generates clicks.
If we can trade Murray, even to the Cowboys, it would be the greatest possible off-season move we can make – very hard to do, but I really hate that guy – helped in getting Chip fired and now wants out – total BS…oh, and he is also old and slow – RB quickly on decline
I’m not willing to trade him to the Cowboys. Last thing I wanna see is him come off a relatively low workload from last year looking like he did in 2014.
Valid points.
I would think this need was pre-existing, no? don’t see how his affectations change the RB situation
With the stable of three good RBs under contract why would they look for another? Especially with all of the other holes in the roster
Sproles is older.
Murray might not be long for the team.
Mathews is a gutless puke who spends too much time injured.
Murray’s play and contract dictate that he may be gone next year. Sproles is not an every down back and is in his last year. Mathews is talented but hasn’t proven that he can stay healthy. Barner is a fringe player. RB is a very sneaky need as we could go into next year with the unhealthy Mathews and a fringe player in Barner as our only RBs.
Yeah… so we use a 3-5 round pick on one and he gains 700-1000 yards… just like everyone else in the league does with commodity RBs.
Previously I think it fell into the category of if there was a late day 3 guy that could fit a role (returner, scat back etc) and he had some upside to grow into a bigger role in the future sure why not. Otherwise just make a nice offer to a couple of UDFAs. You were just looking more for something so that you wouldn’t have to swap out the whole RB room next year.
If Murray’s gone you’re going to be looking more for a guy who can take 100 or more carries this year.
Agree with your plans for drafting, depending on whether or not Murray stays in 2016.
These are the RBs I starred on my big board, and Rd Value where I’d consider taking them:
Henry – don’t think he makes it, but I’d take him in the 3rd, especially after his combine
Dixon – I’d take in the 3rd
A. Green – late 3rd/4th
Perkins – 5th
Prosise – 5th
Ervin – late 5th/6th
Lasco – 6th
D. Washington – 6th
K. Reynolds – 7th/UDFA
I think you’re a touch high on Green and a tad low on Perkins and Dixon. Haven’t done more than a casual watch though. I do really like Green, but no combine, small guy coming out of a major spread I think alot of teams are seeing some Lache Seastrunk.
we’re close, that’s getting into more of the subjectivity. For me it was more a matter of narrowing my list down. Also since we don’t have a 2nd, hard for me to list Dixon in the 2nd (where I think he’ll go) if I’m praying he falls to us.
I’m actually pretty high on Green, he’s on my top3 of that particular list (by that, the 3 RBs I’m most happy drafting if we get them at the spot I marked). He has much better vision than Seastrunk IMO, and he has some of the cut-on-dime ability we’ve seen with Dion Lewis and Shady that will translate well and give us that scatback/young Sproles talent you mentioned originally. I think he’d be a nice complementary piece to the RB position in 2017 and beyond if we got a bruiser to match with him.
Nice Senior Bowl TD run, if you had yet to see it:
https://youtu.be/XS9VVZWlX_Q
???? Already two very good starters and throw in an extremely good player in Sproles? Where again is the pre-existing need?
Because Murray is NOT very good. And Mathews is often not healthy.
As much as I love Sproles, (1) small chance he could be gone before this season (2) higher chance that, if he stays, this is his last year
Kelce’s Beard is right. Even if Murray does bounce back a bit, I’m thinking the team will still look to trade him to free up cap space. Sproles is likely to be gone after this season. Mathews has proven he can’t be a lead back as he is only good for 8-10 games a season. So our RB situation at the end of 2016 could be an oft injured back and Barner on our roster
Braxton Miller pulling that De’Anthony Thomas at the combine.
Re: Murray and Bradford . . . Follow the Leader?
About a year ago, the Cowboys chose not to tag RB DeMarco Murray.
And 10 days later, the Eagles traded for Murray’s college roommate — and very close friend — QB Sam Bradford.
Let Murray explain what happened next:
He [Bradford] immediately texted me and said, ‘Hey, jump on board. Let’s go win it.’ I’m excited to get back with him. He’s a close friend of mine and I’m excited to play with him again. . . . He’s like a brother to me as well. ”
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/12993/demarco-murray-sam-bradford-is-like-a-brother-to-me
Two days after acquiring Bradford, the Eagles signed Murray.
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So one year later, stories have emerged that Murray wants out of Philadelphia — even with a new staff in place.
If true, what does Murray’s desire to leave Philadelphia suggest about Bradford’s interest in staying?
Seemed like a big deal 1 year ago. How ’bout now?
Murray signed here because Chip offered him more money than any team with the exception of the Jags. I think Sam made it more palatable, but in the end, Murray followed the money.
In the end, I agree the money brought Murray here.
But what if Bradford — as rumored — does not want to be in Philadelphia? (Tag aside)
I’m just kicking around whether Murray’s rumored desire to get out is connected.
Yes . . . this is inference heaped on inference built on rumors.
Just seemed like something worth raising on a Combine day.
I personally don’t think Bradford wants to be here. He seemed genuinely excited to be here in his initial press conference. Since then, not at all. I still stand by my assessment that the negative media fueling the fans ire turned him off to the team and the city.
I know others will chime in that these are millionaire professionals who tune out the media, but his friends and family back in Oklahoma, which he calls home, have to let him know that the media constantly skewers him.
First Miles Austin, now Murray. Lesson learned: do never sign an ex Cowboy again. Ever!
Lesson learned . . . again.
In the 1968 draft, the Cowboys used a late 2nd Rd pick on a huge, record-setting WR from Miss Valley State named Dave McDaniels.
The guy was 6’4″ 200 lbs and clocked a 4.4 40 before the draft.
But in training camp, McDaniels couldn’t break 4.65.
So Dallas’s super-scout Gil Brandt went back to MVSU’s football field with a yard-stick. And he measured the area of the field where McDaniels had run the prior spring.
Turned out, the part of field — despite its markings — was actually 39 yards long.
Dallas said nothing. Kept McDaniels on the roster for all of 1968.
Then, before the 1969 draft, Dallas traded McDaniels to the Eagles . . . for HOF TE Mike Ditka.
What happened to McDaniels?
The Eagles cut him before the end of training camp.
If we just didn’t get rid of Cris Carter either…
Bad mojo.
I like the idea of signing Bradford and drafting Lynch – I am no expert but from what I have seen in my amateur scotuing I actually like Paxton Lynch the best – Goff’s baby hands and 215 frame scare me, he does not have amazing skills to make up for those tiny attributes…and Wentz just doesn’t look the part to me – floats the ball, never played top competition, and did not look strong in Senior Bowl (even if his week of practice was amazing and he outperformed the other bad QBs there that week that no one is even considering anymore) – I am surprised Lynch is not the top choice…all projects, but Lynch is the only one that might become something special as far as I can tell
He also has the biggest chance of being a bust along with Wentz.
Gets right to the “absolute value” vs. “relative value” question surrounding these guys.
The sole decision that might get you fired. I kind of feel bad for Howie.
I strongly believe that’s why Pederson brought Reich and DeFilippo on board. I would imagine Howie will go along with their recommendation on taking a QB. I would hope that the three would them have more knowledge than the scouts or Howie on the requirements to be a successful QB in this league.
It’s still mostly Howie’s decision to pull the trigger after hearing their opinions though.
Ultimately, I would agree with you on that. I just can’t imagine a scenario where Pederson and his staff tell Howie who they want and Howie overrules them.
Well that’s sort of true. Howie has been a guy that has taken his chances with trying to get the guys that his coach wants.
If we had a defensive head coach, I could see Howie exerting his influence on picking a QB. I would imagine that Jeff Lurie would be heavily involved in this process of picking a future QB to be the face of the franchise. If he demoted Howie for Chip, I can’t imagine a scenario where he would back Howie if Pederson and Reich wanted someone else.
With the strong possibility of Sam leaving, having Pederson and Reich picking our future QB in the draft actaully has me at ease.
QB evaluations should 100% come down to Pederson and his coaches, that’s the one position your GM should have no say in… Pederson needs to choose who he wants to bet his career on, who he wants to work with and build his offense around… And Rosemans job is to deliver the QB our Coach wants..
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Outside of the QB position. Rosemans evaluations matter, but he Should have no say in QB evaluations, and I think Roseman is smart enough to understand this
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The owner Picks the GM
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The GM picks his Coach
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And the Coach picks his QB…
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When it comes to QB, GMs only job is to deliver the QB the HC wants if possible
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Anyone actually think Roseman drafted Barkley? Of course not, Roseman drafted a QB Chip wanted… Anyone actually think Roseman targeted Sanchez? Of Course not, Chip wanted Sanchez..
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Heck Roseman doesn’t even pretend to try and take credit for FOLES, Andy, and Pederson wanted FOLES when they missed out of Wilson
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HOWIE may be power hungry, but even he understands that he has to honor his coaches QB evaluations
Mark:
All 3 have their warts, for sure. And their pluses.
But if this draft had Luck and Griffin III, or even Winston and Mariota, I’m not sure any of this year’s top-3 would be discussed as 1st-Rd picks. Certainly, not early 1st Rd picks.
I like all three of them.
Wentz’s big arm, athleticism, physicality, leadership.
Goff’s quick release, pocket presence.
Lynch’s arm, quickness, growth as a QB.
But I’ll be the first to admit I’m not qualified to judge.
And — as I’ve said since 12/31/15 — I’m glad I’m not Howie Roseman with the responsibility to decide what to do about the Eagles QB situation.
If Marco wants to pull a TO, handle it the same way. He won’t be able to destroy the team the same way. Don’t cut him imo.
If Murray’s serious about wanting out, I think there’s a good chance Bradford does, too.
What if Bradford is trying to take Murray with him?
Great question.
The whole Bradford-Murray thing this off-season has been crazy.
Murray is not going anywhere. He’s not giving up money and we wouldn’t trade him to Dallas without being compensated nicely. Even if he had a bad season, you don’t trade a former rushing champ to a division opponent without at least a 3rd.
Sam is another story.
One thing they have in common is that they didn’t seem to develop any real connection with teammates outside of the locker room.
Having a team trade for Murray IS THE COMPENSATION!!! Doubt the Eagles would care about what we are getting in return.. If we can get a team to take him off our hands, you aren’t getting any value worth a damn, did you see what he put on film last year?
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Do you really think the Eagles would turn down an offer like a 6th round pick to the Eagles, for Murray and our 7th rounder? Id be SHOCKED if we got more value than that…. The compensation for the Eagles is someone getting us out of this Chip mistake.. If we could cut Murray, it would be done already.. Our Compensation is getting rid of Murray while only taking a 4mil cap hit in the trade, instead of the 13mil it costs to cut him,or the 6mil it costs to keep him…. I don’t think the Eagles even care what they would be getting in return..
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We are getting more than enough Compensation from what trading him means for our cap situation.. Not To mention we get rid of a disgruntled veteran, and it would allow Sproles and Ryan Mathews to be happy splitting carries between the two,
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What more compensation can you ask for than getting rid of a guy that would cost us 13mil to waive?
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How can Bradford get Murray to come along?
Not just cutting ties w/ the Eagles. But landing with the same team Bradford does?
Tag Bradford and trade him + Murray to the Browns for a 2nd round pick.
If Hue Jax liked Bradford enough to make that deal, I’d take a 3rd.
Anything in return for (expensive) guys that most likely won’t be here in 2017 sounds good right now.
Good idea and I’d take it in a second (get it?). However, if Bradford plays great and Murray runs for 1000yds, we’ll have to erase these posts before they come for us with the torches and pitchforks.
“torches and pitchforks” . . .
a fantastic, and fading, choice of imagery.
well done!!!
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PPK . . . .
What was your son’s reaction to the Kelly firing, Pederson hiring, Bradford saga?
You’re a good man to ask about my son. It means so much to him.
Since you ask, he said firing Kelly was a great thing and Chip’s on his way to screwing up in SF. He is optimistic about Pederson, who he believes has a lot of potential for success. About Bradford, I quote him, “Geez, I don’t know, I really don’t know.”
Your son’s pretty sharp.
Agree on his Kelly-to-SF take.
And share his agnosticism on Bradford.
The young man’s lack of absolute surety is evidence he is not yet prepared to post on an Eagles forum.
PPK . . .
Let us know when when you throw open the barn door.
Language is still a bit too rough here sometimes.
Lazy use of curse words to sound smart.
But he’ll sure be welcomed here.
Thanks, again, for your thoughtfulness.
We might see the young man posting this season. He’s told me he will have a Dawkins avatar. Gotta’ love that.
Re: torches and pitchforks
I married an English major so I have to stay on top of my game.
Bradford is already out
based on what?
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Murray wants out because he’s not the lead dog. You can almost see a reason for him — but what about Bradford – why would he want out that you’re saying ‘good chance’?
They sort of came as a pair last year:
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Re: Murray and Bradford . . . Follow the Leader?
About a year ago, the Cowboys chose not to tag RB DeMarco Murray.
And 10 days later, the Eagles traded for Murray’s college roommate — and very close friend — QB Sam Bradford.
Let Murray explain what happened next:
He [Bradford] immediately texted me and said, ‘Hey, jump on board. Let’s go win it.’ I’m excited to get back with him. He’s a close friend of mine and I’m excited to play with him again. . . . He’s like a brother to me as well. ”
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/12993/demarco-murray-sam-bradford-is-like-a-brother-to-me
Two days after acquiring Bradford, the Eagles signed Murray.
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So one year later, stories have emerged that Murray wants out of Philadelphia — even with a new staff in place.
If true, what does Murray’s desire to leave Philadelphia suggest about Bradford’s interest in staying?
Seemed like a big deal 1 year ago. How ’bout now?
Rubber bands are for stretching — not connecting a Rams/Eagle move with an upset running back in Dallas.
I’m just looking at how Murray described what helped to bring him to Philadelphia.
I’m not saying — for sure — what Murray wants reflects what Bradford wants.
I’m saying, that if Bradford wants out, I can understand why Murray would want out.
And vice-versa.
you implied that Murray wants out and there-for(unto forth with stuff…lol) Bradford wants out … I don’t think that’s true …
If Eagles say – -Hey Sam – 5 years 90 mil with 25 guaranteed up front(I have no ideas on money but you get the drift) — Sam would text Murray — Good luck in your next adventure 🙂
I did not “impl[y] that Murray wants out.”
I wrote, “If Murray’s serious about . . . .”
I’m working off a premise that may or may not be true.
So if the rumors about Murray are true — which I have no way of knowing, I have neither endorsed nor rejected — I’ve suggested that it may reflect how Bradford’s thinking, too.
Also . . . 5 years and 90 million?
Sure Bradford would stay.
But that’s fantasy land, right?
I don’t think so. Someone on twitter suggested 4 years, $80M the other day with half guaranteed. On the surface, I thought that’s ludicrous. $20M a year for Bradford? What if the deal was structured like this though:
4-year contract
$12M signing bonus
$10M roster bonus on 3rd day of 2018 lg yr
Salaries:
2016 – $8M(fully guaranteed)
2017 – $12M(fully guaranteed)
2018 – $16M(becomes fully guaranteed if on roster after 3rd day of lg yr(if roster bonus picked up))
2019 – $20M(becomes partially guaranteed if on roster after 3rd day of 2018 lg yr)
This is essentially a 2-yr, $32M deal that has the option of becoming a 4-yr, $78M deal. Bradford essentially makes $20M this year which is basically the same money he would make if he was franchise tagged. His cap hit for 2016 though is only $11M. This allowas you to continue to test Bradford out and what will essentially be less than the league average for veterans going forward(with the increased cap). You try to develop a QB in the meantime if you decide to move on after 2 years. If not, then it’s likely because he’s developed into approximately a franchise QB and you’re willing to pay him like one. From Bradford and his agent’s perspective, the $29M cap figure that Bradford would have in 2018 might force the Eagles into an extension/renegotiation if they want to keep him. Which could mean even more money for Bradford.
of course it is — but that’s the point — money drives Bradford — not Murray
Good point.
Wentz is certainly not splashing any cold water on the hype. Mayock is using him as the example to point out what the other guys are doing wrong in the throwing drills.
Once I heard Wentz compared to Andrew Luck, that’s when I stopped listening
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I don’t really expect Wentz or Goff to be available at #13, so I don’t spend much time paying attention to them… And Goff vs Wentz debate is pointkess, because we damn sure won’t find both at #13 and have to choose 1..
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I leave the Wentz vs Goff debate to Hue Jackson or a team no later than San Fran trading up to #1
Paging Mr.Belichick, anyone impress you at the combine if you’ve been watching lately?
Nobody has really ripped it up to the point I need to scramble to watch tape (these WRs are really slow jesus). I’m more expecting that with some of the D players.
Missed yesterday. Thuney and Haeg both seemed to put up good numbers which was nice. Haeg is a nice G/RT type may take a year with the jump in competition. Thuney is going to be a really valuable bench OL. He’s not a starter but can reasonably play all 5 positions for a spell.
QBs aren’t going to do anything in shorts to change my perceptions from film.
Haven’t done a ton on the WRs to begin with and nobody is compelling me to do so.
Good to hear on Haeg. He’s a guy who’d I’d like to read more about.
Good not great feet. Swings his arms way too much in pass pro when kick sliding, so I’m not sure he’s a pure LT (maybe in a pinch down the road). Strong, technically sound. Good player. Should be a starter, only question is how long the jump in competition takes him (could take a week could take 2 years, never know until you get them in camp).
Backup guard / tackle 2016. Starting RT in 2017 when Peters is cut and Lane goes to LT.
That was easy.
I think he even can compete for a G spot this year.
Even better!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25288078/meet-the-prospect-north-dakota-state-left-tackle-joe-haeg
Thank you
keep murray suffer this year, next year do everthing we can to get stanford RB mccaffary
Lynch played like a human tampon vs. Temple. I don’t like him at all as a first rounder. Seems too risky.
Did you watch the game though? NO ONE on his team was helping him out. Also, you would judge a prospect on one game alone?!
He also looked menstrual vs. Auburn.
He got down under center, stopped the bleeding, and solved the problem?
Counterpoint: Wentz looked human against South Dakota.
Totally fair. Wentz is really a lot of projection due to the level of competition, but Lynch just feels to risky at 13. But I like how Wentz delivers the football much better than Lynch. But I’d agree with you to go all-in on Goff.
Lynch needs to sit. If a team brings him along instead of making him a day 1 starter I think he can be a good QB
I’d but that for a dollar. I just see him as a distant 3rd and not worthy of a pick at 13.
Is he a potential franchise QB?
If yes don’t get cute.
It’s that simple.
I’m “lean no” on him if you get a gun to my head.
Ummmm well I’m not Ted Nugent so I’m not going to put a gun to your head.
I’d love a chance to “chat” with Ted Nugent for a few minutes.
Um, when has Ted Nugent ever put a gun to anyone’s head?
If we placed the transition tag on Bradford or brought him for a year or two I could live with Lynch at 13. He just needs to be developed
I’d feel better with that after having traded down because I’m not sold on Lynch 100% panning out.
And I’m not convinced anybody else is really after Bradford, so he can sign Howie’s deal or take a one-year prove-it deal elsewhere.
I am not a college football fan, and definitely not a scout, but I need someone to explain to me why I should want us to get Goff more than I should want us to get Wentz.
21 year old on a whole different level of mental processing vs. a 23 year old with a howitzer.
“mental processing”
So key. And so absent from a few of these read one and run bums some folks are trying to hype up later in the draft.
It’s the thing that annoys me with “Wentz and Lynch have higher ceilings”. Size and athleticism =/= upside with QBs. It’s a nice tool to have in the bag, but Goff is 6’4 and will settle in at 225lbs. That’s plenty big. He’s roughly the same athlete.
I’ll take the guy who can make all the throws and is on another level mentally over the monster human who is a good athlete.
This cannot be said enough times.
Should I be happier if Dallas takes Wentz at 4 or if he falls to us at 13?
If it means we got either Wentz or Goff, that’s good for us.
As long as Dallas doesn’t get the golden boy from Cal I’m ok.
I’d prefer us to have a potential franchise QB and Dallas not. So I’d rather have Wentz than him be in Dallas.
Okay, so he is definitely worth the attention he is getting? He isn’t just one of the pretty girls at math club? Goff just happens to be a model as well as president of math club?
Very much so. He’s got the potential to be special.
Don’t worry Jerry’s gonna bring in Manziel as Romo’s future replacement at QB.
Aaron Rodgers was from Cal. Let’s not be too hasty. ;~)
I live in enemy territory, and all the radio people down here love Goff. That being said, they’re still split discussion on QB vs. other positions – Bosa, Ramsey.
They’re probably going to get a good player. I’d just strongly prefer it not be a QB.
Bosa’s probably the best possible outcome for us. I see alot of Chris Long. Good player. Can be a headache at times but never a guy you’re going to crap you’re pants about having to face for a decade.
How do you think Goffs small hands will impact his draft stock? (not him being a good player, but where he’s drafted, huge difference, as we all know). His hands are clearly on the small end of the spectrum.
Hue Jackson said it’s important for him because of the elements in the NFC North. We all know Chip values hand size. And imo, those are the two most realistic options to pick a QB before we’re on the clock (let’s ignore the possibility of a trade up for a minute).
I’m not saying we can pick Goff at #13. But after I read about his hand size and Jacksons comment about it being important, knowing it’s important for Chip, my hopes kind of went up. What’s your take on that?
Thanks Chip! You managed to fuck things up more in a year than I thought possible.
I blame Frank Gore. lol
Lurie
That’s from LeSean
Chip kelly totally fucked us eagles fans.. Right up the pussy! Now our highest paid player doesn’t even want to be on the team. Worthless scum chip kelly!!
When has Jason Peters said he doesn’t want to be on the Eagles?
Oh yeah defend chip kelly ya weasel.
Thats a little agressive for someone who was completely and indisputably wrong about a very simple fact.
Maybe if you actually had more of what you name suggests, you could upgrade from troll into something cool, like Shrek or one of those UrukHais from Lord of the Rings, those we’re pretty badass.
It’s the weekend mother fucker. Unless you are some blue colar scab shut your mouth. Troll time is during the week. Go flyers!!!
I was wrong it’s their fourth highest paid okayer. I no difference chip kelly is still a complete scum bag. Who trades for a qb then doesn’t immediately sign him before the trade is consummated. Piece of idiot garbage. Completely out of his league in over his head narcissist
You know, I would tip my cap to you because you continue to get replies, but honestly you’re not even trying really hard and it’s still working.
I ain’t trying for shit. Go flyers!!!
Sorry, i couldn’t help myself. Im easy to amuse.
He might be more interesting if he could come up with something original. For instance, speaking his “mind” without using 500-year-old common little vulgar references to human anatomy.The same old, same old childish stupidity he thinks is clever gets so monotonous.
Ho hum.
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Just watched Sterling Shepherd run a hitch route at the combine
….. Good luck defending that. Its one of the best hitch routes i have ever seen.
he’s on the list of 5 guys who will make me pee a little bit if their name is called in our spot
Move Matthews outside and toss Shepherd in the slot? Agholor as the other WR.
Must be one of only few that want to see Murray in new scheme under Pederson
I’m with you. I think this just Howie trying to grasp at a potential straw to see if there might be a crazy “buyer” who can net some assets. Longshot but little risk in his eyes perhaps.
I’d be happy if a trade for real value could be made. If not, yea, maybe Murray will find success with a new coach. Would be very cool.
I mean if you build him a runway and give him a defined path sure. But he’s got no speed, and his vision was trash.
Will he be better? Probably.
I’m just not super excited for a guy I’m going to have to work to get to 4.0 ypc.
On Murray, if he wants out of Philly for Dallas so bad, I would be in favor of paying his full salary and then trading him for a backup punter, as long as we trade him to SF. I would then be in favor of cutting the backup punter while still on the conference call.
That’s awesome bro good shit
All 3 RBs need to be replaced in the next two offseasons, so I hope we consider Zeke Elliot, the kid is such a beast, and a complete back.. urban called him one of the best players he has ever coached without the ball, which says a ton when you add how Nasty he is with the ball in his hands,,, Id love an Explosive young Bruiser like him under the tutelege of Duuuuuuucccceeee!!!! Elliot is also the type of physical back you tend to see play deep into January… Nasty young beast to punish defenders in cold weather games. Catches the ball. Blocks well….Hope we give him some serious consideration if we trade back and he is still available..
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I expect to get our starting Safety in free agency, and you don’t NEED to draft an OL in round 1’to fix our line., what im trying to say is if he is the BPA whenever we end up picking, RB is a big enough need to pull the trigger on a kid who will go on to be a franchise back for the better part of a decade
Mayock pointed out how the teams that got their money worth from highly drafted RBs were th ones that built all of the infrastructure first – OL, TE, system – then looked for a back. He used STL as an example.
The ones who did not probably regret it. He used SD as an example. I think we are closer to SD than STL in terms of our infrastructure.
Considering OL is probably #1 on offseason to do list, I wouldn’t worry about the Eagles drafting a RB, but neglecting the OL… And the Eagles have less immediate starting needs fhan I think we realize
But if you are resigning Bradford, signing a safety, and using our first rounder on Zeke, I don’t think there are enough resources left.
What’s wrong with 3rd round picks? gardner, Barbe, two 3rd rounders.. I would hope those 4 competing could provide two starters…
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It’s not like the only way to find starting Guards is to draft them in round 1..
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I also doubt ZEKE would be BPA at #13… Probably see a DT rated higher than him, and we need a 2nd string DT with interior pass rush to pair with Beau Allen… DL wil get tired and need to rotate with how much Schwartz will have them explode up field… I would think that we would have to trade back a bit for ZEKE to be the highest rated player, but im just guessing, I don’t have the best grasp on this draft class…
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If we have SAM and a safety in FA, I don’t see why they can’t fix the OL if they draft another position in round 1… I think there is a great chance they draft a DT in round 1, does that mean our OL is doomed?
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If we don’t hit on more than one player from this draft, we will have bigger problems than this convo . For me, TE is the only position off the table in round 1, and Safety of we pay for one. I don’t think we have to target specific positions in round 1
Maybe, but it just feels like a very… Chip approach.
I feel like we neglected the foundation for too long. Get the OL right. Find the bookend to play guard until Peters is done. Find some guards that are assets and not just usually adequate. Get a backup for Kelce.
The best thing about our defense is that we are strong up front. That should be the best part of our offense, too. Besides, good RBs are cheap and great RBs come out every year.
I hear you,,, Id be the first person To go Ballistic if they don’t fix the OL problems. I just think there is a very real chance that a starting Guard ISNT signed in Free Agency, AND that the Eagles don’t draft an OL in round 1… And if those two things hold true, I wouldn’t just assume that the OL isn’t going to be improved as much as we hope..
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Personally im hoping im wrong and the Eagles find a way to pay SAM, ILLOKA and a starting Guard… regardless of what we do in Free agency, if there,is a tie and there are a bunch of different positions with the same grade available when we pick in round 1, Taking the OL would be a no BRAINER for me. I would NEVER pick another position over an Offensive Lineman if they are graded the same… My problem is that while I don’t have the best grasp on this draft class, I get the impression that there is a very real chance that there won’t be an OL who is the best player available at #13, and under no circumstance do I want to reach for any position…
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As long as there isn’t a player at another position available with a higher grade, Id take the OL all day in round 1 this year… But not interested in reaching for an OL… At #13, I think it’s more important that we get a kid who will be one Of our 10 best players 4 years from now, than it is to reach for an OL… Unless the Tackle from Notre Dame is available at #13, im not sure there will be an OL we can take at that spot.
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And I really don’t think its the end of the world if we don’t take an OL in the 1st.. For Me, not getting a solid starter in round 3 will ALWAYS be considered a FAILURE! I believe you should be getting legit starting talent with top 100 picks..
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I was also probably higher on Gardner going into this last season than most people. Tobin was the bigger Igglesblitz darling..
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Ideally, im looking to come out of this draft with two OL drafted no later than the top #150, at Least one better be drafted in the top 100.. Best case,scenario, the two OL will be:
1) the starting RT of the future Who can start his NFL career at Guard
2) a guy Who has been a Guard for years, if we really get lucky, this player will have center versatility, but that’s not Neccessary
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Between a RT Who can play guard from rounds 1-3), a Guard drafted in rounds 3 or 4, Andrew Gardner, Barbre, BUNCHE, we should be able to come out of that camp battle with two guards who can fix this major problem..
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Even today, I just don’t see Guard as a position that you have to draft in round 1.. Id love to end up with the best guard in the draft, whoever that may be, but im not sure we will be able to get that Guy at #13… im really trying to prepare myself for a real possibility that there wont be an OL to draft at #13… Picking this high in the draft, we NEED to add high end talent and find a kid who will be one Of our 10 best playërs 4 years from now much More than we need to be targeting a specific position in round 1
Any time you go 7-9, get blown out of many games and you are ranked 30th in total defense I think we need more than a guard and a safety to be considered a contender in the NFC. In addition to stability and quality production at the QB position the team needs to draft well over the next 2-3 years before we can become legitimate contenders. Most people believe the Eagles will win 6-7 games next year. If we draft well we can probably get back into playoff contention in 2 years. I agree we are in a position to draft BPA and hopefully we can hit on many of our picks in the next few years. The more we hit on the quicker we can actually contend again.
We NEED PLENTY, depth talent at just about every position besides TE…. But NO, I don’t think there are many starting openings for next year that need to still be filled
I would be so embarrassed if someone described my job performance as better if I didn’t have to think and could just work.
There is such a job, it’s called “Husband.”
No intelligent woman wants a husband without a brain.That would be incredibly boring.
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Certainly you’re right. I love that clip from one of the great film masterpieces. If there could be one more character missing something essential, I propose it be a guy without a sense of humor. I wonder how the Wizard would have gifted him?
A dildo? Certainly would have changed to tone of the movie.
If this wasn’t a family site I could offer a million jokes.
A Swedish ____ enlarger?
The Murray reports sound wrong to me,.. Instead of the Eagles “listening to offers for Murray”, it makes more sense to me that the Eagles would give murray permission to seek a trade because I don’t think there is anything the Eagles have to “listen for”… The compensation to the Eagles won’t matter. We would be doing the deal to get him off our cap, not trading him to get value in return… There is NOTHNG for teams to talk to the Eagles about, think the real issue is teams have to talk directly to Murray to try and get him renegotiate his contract to make it a deal a team is willing to take on… Figuring out the compensation to give the Eagles is the easy Part..
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If there is truth to this story, then I would assume the Eagles gave MURRAYS camp permission to find a team that would be willing to trade for him. I don’t believe anyone will trade for his contract the way it currently is structured. I hope im wrong, but it makes more sense to me that the entire issue is finding a trade partner who needs to reach an agreement on a contract restructuring with MURRAYS camp. Without that, I don’t think we will see a trade… Why would the Eagles be listening to offers? As if someone wants to trade for Murray, but we would say no if they aren’t offering enough? Get real…
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Im sure the Eagles aren’t expecting any serious compensatiob when trying to trade an Older RB who’s game tape from last season was horrendous,
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The compensation is getting him off our cap… If we are able to move him, I don’t expect to get more in return than trading Murray and a 7th for a teams 6th, or it would be a player for player deal For some camp body
Holy fucking shit who even has time to write this shit let alone read it and respond. Are you retarded?
He’s not retarded but you are a coward bitch.
Does the CBA allow a player to renegotiate his salary downward to lower his cap hit? Because if it does, there is Murray’s path back to Dallas. If he doesn’t want out enough to pass on the money, then shut up and do your job.
You can restructure contracts… See what’s going on with Flacco and the Ravens
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Right, he can restructure, but can he do it in a way that reduces his cap hit enough to release him, or is the majority of his hit tied to a signing bonus he already received?
Yeah you can reduce salary and total salary. Think it would be more likely to be something like moving 2mil from 2016 and spreading it over the rest of the deal, he can be cut in 2017 if he continues to struggle and has a chance to make back his money if he has a great year.
Isnt that kind of one of the biggest reasons why we see guys restructure? Change the cap hit, free up cap space
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Id love to just trade him for a bag of donuts and move on…. But I find it hard to believe a team would trade for his current contract Aftet the putrid season he put on film… Im Assumimg, Murray is going to agree to change that contract significantly to get a team to take him in a trade..
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Which is why I don’t understand the report that the Eagles are listening to offers.. That makes no sense to me…. This is one Of those situations where I believe we have to give him permission to find a trade partner because he will have to work out a new deal for a team to take him. Working out the compensation is the easy part.. The team will say, I’ll give you a jock strap for Murray, and Roseman will say DEAL!!!
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Just hypothesizing
Unless, “we are listening to offers” comes with the unsaid subtext of “and all I hear are crickets. Get to work.”
True…. Our part of The deal is the easy part, it cost us 13mil to cut him, where as it cost like 4mil to trade him… That’s what’s in it for us, erasing this mistake for 9mil less than if we cut him which is probably impossible.. Why would we ever cut him and pay 13, when we can just tell him To stay home and it costs us what 5? 6mil?
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I don’t mind seeing what Pederson can do with him.. But if he doesn’t want to be here, it has no shot of working, Hopefully a team is interested in him that he wants to play for bad enough to make Whatever changes to his contract to get the team to agree to take him
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I don’t fear Murray emough to try and keep him away from Dallas… Id gladly see the Eagles fascilitate that reunion as far as I’m concerned.. Even if we don’t draft a RB, it erases a very expensive mistake, and allows SProles and Ryan Mathews to be happy splitting carries two ways instead of three
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Hopefully some team saves us from chips mistake, but if reports are false, and Murray is perfectly fine to remain in Philly, I have interest in seeing how much better Doug can use him than chip did, but the last thing Pederson needs is a disgruntled, expensive veteran to start his HC career
If he doesn’t want to be here run him 50 times in a row. As a start. Run him every play. Make him cry for his mommy
Paying him to stay home, makes more sense than cutting him… Hopefully someone rescues us and takes him in a trade
No. You can’t turn a previously paid singing bonus into something else.
Anyone who says you can hasn’t a clue what they’re talking about.
Restructures are done to turn as-yet big unpaid salary into bonus money that can be spread over several years.
Yes, but …
Any cap hit caused by money already paid (such as a signing bonus) cannot be changed. Murray had a relatively low $5 million bonus, so if traded or released the Eagles will, at a minimum, had $4 million in dead money this year.
Murray has $7 million in fully guaranteed salary this year — that is the big issue. If the Eagles release him, they are on the hook for that amount (minus whatever amount Murray is signed for by another team, if there is offset language in the contract, which I think there is). If traded, the other team is on the hook for that amount and the Eagles still have significant cap savings ($4 million) despite the dead money.
In theory yes, Murray could agree to lower his salary this year in order to be more tradeable — probably as part of a trade to his desired team. But the NFLPA probably frowns on that, and agents / players would usually not want to give up guaranteed money like that.
As part of a trade, it might be possible to get a little creative with a renegotiation to split the cost between the two teams. If Murray agreed to convert say $2 million of that salary to a signing bonus, then the Eagles would pay that immediately, and the other team would then pay the $5 million which is left (plus the $2 million of guaranteed money in 2017) — leaving the Eagles with just $2 million of cap space savings. Or he could agree to a small reduction in salary in combination with the above.
It would all depend on how much the Eagles want him gone — if just a small cap savings, it may not be worth it. But the full $4 million savings would be nice, if another team wants to take on the full salary.
I don’t think there is any way to just release him, unless Murray voluntarily gives up on his guaranteed money this year and next ($9 million of guaranteed dough). That seems completely unrealistic. I think it would have to be a trade to make any sense at all.
I don’t think you can release a player with the understanding that a new team will sign him to at least X salary to reduce the Eagles amount they are on the hook for via the offsets.
You can’t give guaranteed money back. I’m not sure if it’s legal to start with and it sure as hell wouldn’t fly with the players union.
The signing bonus has already been paid. He’s got that money in his bank account.
What he could renegotiate is his salary (spreading out the guaranteed portion).
He’s currently due 7 mil in guaranteed salary this year and 2 million next year (7.5 in overall salary in 2017,18, and 19).
If he wants to restructure, you would likely give him a little more guaranteed money to stretch it out a year and move some of his non guaranteed salary into performance incentives.
Something like:
2016: 5 mil guaranteed
2017: 4 mil guaranteed
2018: 2 mil guaranteed
So you’d be getting him to lower his cap number in 16 and moving some of that guaranteed money into 17. Then you give him a couple million of guarantees (likely prorated new signing bonus) for 18 as a thank you for his trouble (and for turning some of his unguaranteed salary into performance bonuses). If he sucks for 2 years you cut him and eat the small dead money hit in 18.
Frankly it probably makes the most sense for a team acquiring him to just have the higher cap hit this year. Most teams will have 7 mil in cap room. That way if it backfires you get out of it for only 2 mil after the season. If he’s good then you’re probably renegotiating something new anyways to fit in other contracts moving forward.
So this should throw a wet blanket on the “Barwin should be the SAM” crowd.
https://twitter.com/ConnorBarwin98/status/703010563996127232
I honestly think he can play either OLB or 43 DE. I don’t think its a big deal
I don’t think anything at this point will put an end to that crap
Barwin will be cut
If by “cut” you mean he will continue to have pronounced muscle definition, you are correct. Otherwise, you are severely mistaken.
He will be cut I am nosyadumbass
My B. I had a lapse in attention and thought it was a legit person posting that. Troll on clueless loser.
If replying to the “person” above, just remember what happened to the Patriots game balls. And smile.
Ive had it wit choo, Im the reigning idiot on here, but you are giving me a run, punk, I am your farther
Just beyond sad that you reply to yourself on posts, you are clearly a bipolar troll to the fullest extent.
?, OK, your name fits ya
Im sure it does suit me and I ate agree yet you are still a troll sock puppet.
4 second 40. Impressive.
Apparently quarterbacks aren’t the only ones with somewhat skinny legs!
Damn, he looked 40 when he was 22.
Kiko or Kendricks too big & slow to be safety ?
I’d say yes and yes.
And I’d add Kendricks is too stupid to diagnose properly in that role.
ahh shucks .. I used to love Michael Lewis because he could and would tackle everyone … but unfortunately lost in pass plays ..
Michael Lewis should have been on the field vs. Tampa in the 2002 playoff choke, but we were stuck watching Blaine Bishop.
But you’re correct, that he couldn’t pass cover worth beans.
Mk will be a killer mb
To big and slow. The majority of the time a 220 lb safety is to slow in coverage nowadays.
A safety needs dicipline which Kendricks has lacked throughout his career. Alonso was burnt in coverage by RBS and TES last year, and so was Kendricks to a lesser extent but still often. Since that’s the case how do you expect them to fair against wrs?
Meet George ILLOKA, 6’4 225lb, pretty solid in coverage
Unfortunately that’s not the norm nowadays. Regardless he is a S in which Kendricks and Alonso are not.
only in playing WRs deep. I don’t expect them to keep up with speedy WRs but I do think they are fast & athletic enough to get under thrown passes .. if that slight difference makes sense or is important enough.
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I hate watching eagles defenses that constantly rely on our defensive backs to make lots of tackles .. those are our smallest guys!
im just wondering out loud if Kendriks especially who seems to be flying around all over the place can use that speed a good size to be flying all over the defensive backfield chasing down log passes or RB’s who have broken loose .. as if the greater open space plays to this speed & athleticism vs the tight space where he seems to get faked out or overrun the play…
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Whaaat?? Kelly, The Evil Emperor Jr. is not responsible for every horrible thing that happened in Philadelphia for the last 60 years??!?? Oh no! Why, is it possible that he also might NOT be the reason Kaep’s agent is making noises about a trade? Possibly the same agent who negotiated the awful contract (from the QB’s point of view) that Kaepernick signed last year. Oh no!! Who will we tar-and-feather now??
Chip doesn’t coach the Eagles anymore so can you stop with your pointless, daily Chip homer post.
It’s better than her pro 1970’s steelers crap at least
What the heck you on about?? Chip aint here no more.. You sound like you in denial why he was bad n why he is gone.. Too smart for his own good
Don’t waste your time buddy, Mags only post stupid nonsense no one cares about.
Basically… Trolls interest me more than her Wikpedia cut n paste crap
More like to arrogant for his own good
Eh, you mean Steve Spurrier Jr? Who cares?
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/703702187751415808
makes you wonder what sammy’s offer looked like
If you tag a guy for $20 million, you just told him he was worth $20 million. $12.5 and $15 are far less than $20.
Cousins is going to make $20 million in 2016 and $24 million in 2017 if they have to tag him back to back.
So $44 million in the pocket of Cousins in the first two years of the deal (from both bonus and salary) is the least he should take to sign.
Steph Curry is beyond incredible.
Not human. So isn’t Aaron Rodgers.
If Dawk is not a first ballot HoFer, hell will freeze. #legend
With the way the NFL makes selections, he’s not a first ballot hall of famer.
Safety is a tough position for the HOF. The voters typically don’t rush the picks there. They’ve also been letting in some bad candidates recently, so who knows with Dawk getting in quickly.
Dawk should get in right away, he is the godfather of the modern day safeties, The Ed Reeds, Troy Polomalus all came after DAWKINS redefined the position.. It also helps him that he is a class act, and now has transitioned to media. m sure,the voters his fellow media members all know this is a special type of safety case that needs to be inducted ASAP…. I can’t imagine him not getting in right away
Dawkins did redefine the position but I think it’s a stretch to say Reed was anyway in his mold. Reed was a ball hawking animal that played the position totally different then Dawkins.Two great safties, but two different types. Neither one owes the other in anyway.
Get ready. Love Dawkins as much as next guy, but no chance.
Will Fuller, are you f kidding me?!
He’s a body catcher from what I’ve seen / read. I don’t know if I can stomach one more guy with bad hands on this team.
But the 40 time got him paid.
I tell Murray to pound sand and do the freaking job he is being handsomely paid to do. The guy is the biggest whiny crybaby. He has had one great year as a RB and the rest have been mediocre in Dallas and here. Guess what, Dallas did not want him which is why they let him go. We’re getting a good sense for some of the reasons why. He signed a legit contract of his own free will – STFU and play or sit IMO.
Apparently it’s come out that some in the Dallas organization didn’t want him back not just because money, but also due to his me first attitude.
His contract is really only burdensome for us for 2017. He’s easy to cut in 2018 if we have to. So I’d run him 400 times this year just to get my money’s worth.
Really only burdensome this year. Next year, only $2M is guaranteed. You don’t like eating dead money on the cap, but the overall cap is big enough right now that cutting him won’t hurt significantly.
Why cut him? He has been paid handsomely. Time for a return on investment. Demarco isn’t T.O. If he is here he will be a good teammate. He will be in an offense that did pretty damn well with RBs over the years.
Get over it or dwell on it and get suspended conduct detrimental. Fairly easy decision.
You’re correct. I meant to type 2016 and 17, rather than 17 and 18.
And in either case, I’d still run him into the ground.
I’ve always wondered why don’t more front offices play hardball and just tell the player either you play here for the contact you signed or retire and the team can just squat on his rights and make him suffer. 2 plain and simple choices. All the whining and complaining does is make the player look bad so I wish the team took a stance and just shit on Murray. I can bet my house and entire love savings that Murray would be there playing if it came to that.
I would gladly give him 6mil and tell him to stay home all year
I’m happy Dallas RB DeMarco Murray is not happy. I am also happy that Dallas doesn’t get to have him. Maybe they can use a pick on an RB in the draft. Money well spent in my opinion. In retrospect, this was Chip’s best move.
Chip? Is that you?
Why are you happy he is unhappy? If he were happy that would probably mean we were not in this situation.
Chips best move? He is severely hurting our cap situation. He could probably do less damage to us then he is now if he were playing in Dallas and we never signed him. Plus the damage he would do to their cap situation.
I am just hoping we don’t have another Stewart Bradley situation with Kiko. Such good players before the acl injuries, and then Stew was just a shell of himself after.
Kiko has 16 games to fix that. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt for why last year was so horrible, but he needs to be at his 2013 ROY level of play when the regular season starts.
His body needs to llook better in Camp, or he shouldn’t be given 16 games… It’s all about his health, and his post surgery athleticism ability…. If he doesn’t look like a completely different player in Camp, he can’t start in September..
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An injury setback would ruin him….. Hopefully he is back to as close to his pre injury form as possible…. It’s all about whether or not his body will allow him to be the FORCE he was for the Bills before he got hurt. I still have hope for him, but we need a contingency plan
Question: The man had one good season in the NFL. How do we know that it wasn’t a fluke? Lots of players have been one-hit wonders.
He was a high pick for a reason. I think he will be fine.
Stew was a 3rd round pick and Kiko was a 2nd rounder so there isn’t much difference there. Also what makes you so confident Kiko will be fine? Stew was essentially done after his injury.
Stew never showed to be quite as good as Kiko pre-injury. I honestly hadn’t even considered that he would be affected long term by the injury. Of course I didn’t think Stew would be either. Still not convinced it was the injury with Stew.
He did show he was able to recover from the same injury before. I think this situation should be considered much more favorably than the Stew case.
You did succeed in making me a bit more nervous. Thanks!
Playing lights out for a whole season at the highest level in the sport is not a fluke.
Whether he recovers from his injury problems is another question.
Maybe once teams “had tape” on him they “figured him out.”
Many of the plays he made in 2013 were based on amazing skill such as the INT against ATL. Whatever came his way in 2013 he dominated. I highly doubt the film on him is what made him regress.
I don’t know why people assume it takes 16 weeks to get film, analyze it and then apply it. Don’t you think by week 8 or so there was enough film on him for OCs to try and game plan against him in 2013? This is the NFL, coaches are constantly watching film and game planning.
Um, I was just making fun of what people say when QB’s have one good year, then immediately regress.
I seriously doubt anyone was gameplanning for Kiko Alonso.
When you say lights out, do you mean it’s because he won defensive rookie of the year? Like in the way that Bradford won offensive rookie of the year? Who sucked that year? By the way, I am just asking a question, I know nothing about Kiko’s first year besides people talking about it.
I remember him being one of the best LBs in the league that year. I’m sure some of it was hype and highlights, but he had the stats to back it up.
He went top 50 in the draft for a reason. He had a full season of outstanding production. This isn’t a case of Jamar Chaney or Bryce Brown having a few nice games down the stretch. If he’s healthy he’s going to be good. It’s a question of health not ability.
That was a bummer, Stew showed such promise.
True. At least with Kiko we have no long term investment and his salary is relatively low. At this point, it’s simply low risk, high reward.
I should actually say it’s more of a moderate risk because we need to have a backup plan if his struggles extend into the 2016 regular season.
I’m most concerned with Kendricks. He’s getting paid to produce at a high level and he was terribly inefficient this past year. He really needs to take that next step and be a more consistently reliable player. No one is asking or expecting him to be an all-pro, but he is definitely getting paid to be a well-above average/pro-bowl caliber player.
I think we do… I don’t expect him to even make it through training camp
What is it that makes you think that? Nowadays the successful recovery for a young player with that injury is more common then a failure. I’m not saying I disagree necessarily, but I’m just curious of your insight into why you beleive that.
He had a lot going against him last year. Missing a full season of football, getting traded to a new team and scheme, missing a lot of the offseason to fully adjust to that scheme. I think if he can stay healthy this offseason it will do him wonders.
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Breaking news: it is likely to happen soon, later, or not at all. Probably.
https://twitter.com/mattlombardo975/status/703922571180429313
Makes sense because the Eagles have avoided the tag with Bradford. It boils down to Howie’s offer vs. whatever possible offers could be coming Bradford’s way on the open market. If Condon is trying to goose up Howie’s offer, he’ll need a strong bidder to help him. Howie doesn’t see that.
So we’ll see what goes down.
I felt like the tag was the best option. Pretty weary about a long term deal.
Wary, not weary. Sorry, it’s a pet peeve.
My friend’s dog is named Peeve.
I wanted to name our dog “Kitty” but it was nixed.
Nothing like playing grammar nazi and screwing it up.
What’s screwed up? People say “weary” when they mean “wary”. Maybe sometimes they mean “leery” but they usually mean “wary”. And it’s not grammar, it’s word usage…
Yeah, I don’t know what I was going for there. I thought Tumtum was being a grammar nazi and screwed it up. Then you called him out on his mistake too. But that’s not what he was doing. So I have no idea what I was doing, so the obligatory…
Nothing like calling out a grammar nazi who was not being a grammar nazi. Have another drink dumbass.
Thanks, I will.
You had me at “have another drink”. I’m on it.
Usually a pet peeve of mine when dopes use the wrong word as well. Now I am the dope, awesome!
How about the Alex Smith deal? 4 years, but able to be cut out of it in year 3?
Mehhhh. I can live with it, if we draft a guy who needs time to be groomed. I do still think Bradford could end up being the franchise. The odds might even be 50-50, which is far better than I thought when we signed him. Think that is even a stretch.
You’re leery, actually 🙂
He may be tired of the hole thing. 😉
Why thank you!
Playërs hate being Tagged… I wonder if Roseman didn’t Tag SAM because he wanted to maintain Cap Flexibility, instead of tying up that 19mil tagging SAM already… Or if not Tagging him was a good will show of respect for SAM and his Agent showing we want to work out an extension without posturing and leveraging and the use of the Tag..
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Rosemans and the eagles approach to Bradford has been interesting, Open admission about how we want him, and he is basically plan A, yet neither side is leaking any counter Intel for posturing… You don’t hear Bradfords agent leaking rumors about other teams being interested in SAM, and you don’t see much posturing from the Eagles.,., kind of a weird dynamic, not too used to seeing
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Of course just because we haven’t tagged him, DOESNT Neccessarily mean we won’t tag him if talks breakdown at the last minute
I would think that his agent will play Hardball Til at least the 23rd hour right before the Market opens..
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His Agent will Know what offers await SAM before the market even opens, so bradford doesn’t have to reach the open market, his agent will know the market that awaits him and if our offer is better than what other teams are offering behind the scenes, than we could see an extension at the last minute right before the start of FA…. I don’t see Sams agent signing anything days before the market opens. They will play hardball Til the very end, unless the bradford camp is very dissapointed by the offers they are hearing from the rest of the league
So it’s a definite possibility of a probable unlikely maybe.
Right. How do you finish typing that tweet, read it, and decide “Yep, I should definitely hit send on this baby. I’ll stick two hashtags on the end so more people see it.”?
I know. I get they have to be a bit vague since both sides (front office, agents) use the press to leak info to gain any kind of leverage and they can’t go into specifics, but good grief.
Really went out on a limb to predict an 8 day span in which a deal wouldn’t happen, and say “just a guess” in case he’s wrong
Gotta appreciate the great work Roseman has done so far being able to lock up key players to contracts. It also says a lot about our players that they are willing to sign these extensions to stay In philly, even tho a guy like Malcolm Jenkins is losing money doing this deal now instead of waiting Til the free agent safeties sigń their big new contracts… Gotta appreciate that Roseman and the players are working out extensions Independant of the rest of the league…. Roseman said that we may have extended more of our players the last few weeks than the rest of the League combined.. And that doesn’t happen without Roseman doing a great job, and the players truly wanting to remain EAGLES….
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You see banner on Twitter losing his mind over why agents are doing these deals now when they could Make more money waiting for new free agent contracts to increase their clients value… Appreciate playërs who care more about being Eagles than squeezing every dollar out of our Cap.. And it’s impressive that Roseman has the relationships in place with agents that allows him to get these deals done early when it’s in our best interest
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Roseman has real flaws, but he also does a great job in some key areas…. Hopefully he starts getting the draft evaluations right more consistently than he has in the past
Appreciate playërs who care more about being Eagles than squeezing every dollar out of our Cap.
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Sam Bradford?
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
9m9 minutes ago
Eagles upped their offer to Sam Bradford, trying hard to get it done: http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/philadelphia-eagles-sam-bradford-contract-offer-increased-022816 …
Lukewarm on this myself. There are good arguments for keeping him and good arguments for letting him go so to my opinion of it will come down to price and the structure of the contract. If it happens. The language of the article seems like the info is coming from the Eagles’ side and sounds to me like what’d u leak when you expect the guy to sign elsewhere. Hey, we made a fair offer!
Great link / BS reporting.
If Garafolo doesn’t have hard numbers, I really don’t know what I’d think of the offer.
You could be right… Either way, I think Bradford waits till March 9 to see what the market looks like. But it does make me nervous to hear they’re pushing the offer to the upper end of his range…
Depends on what they think “his range” is. Okay, Sam, we really only think you’re worth a bag of chips but hey we’ll throw in a bottle of Yoo Hoo too.
I suspect they’re pushing the offer to the upper end of “their” range. His range is much higher. Let the market play out.
Leaking this definitely screams, “We tried, guys.”
I really liked the 2nd article more though. It’s cool the next time I see Star Wars and listen for “Celek” and “Fletcher” in the language.
As to Bradford, I’m intrigued what is the “top” end offer. If Cousins is being offered $15, I’d have to think that’s somewhere in Bradford’s territory.
“sounds to me like what’d u leak when you expect the guy to sign elsewhere. Hey, we made a fair offer!”
I strongly disagree with that statement. Most fans that want Sam back generally seem to agree that you can’t back up the Brinks truck and give him a 6-year deal with huge cap ramifications down the road if Sam gets injured again or doesn’t reach his potential.
Jeff Fisher said something that stuck out to me this week about Sam. He said something along the lines that he was happy to see him finish his first start with the Eagles because he and the Rams didn’t think he would be able to make it through the whole game.
They are negotiating because they want him back., Unfortunately, his injury history makes a long-term deal hard to do without some sort of performance escalators in case he has another major injury and can’t fully recover. They most-likely leaked contract info because they are trying to speed the process up and get a deal done before free agency, not to pacify the fanbase.
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DeMarco Murray… Another one of Chip’s gifts that just keeps on giving. Love seeing the Kaep drama playing out in SF – “he’s staying, he’s going, that’s not what he told me,” blah, blah, blah… It’s all so Chip.
Re OLBs, I think projecting Alonzo as a starter is a risky proposition… In fact, I don’t think he sticks with the team in 2016.
It’s good to have a clairvoyant about injury recoveries on this board. What actually happened to him in week 3 this year? What is the timeline given your insight into others who have had the same issue? Do you agree with Andrews about the nature of the procedure?
Did you watch any of the action last year ’61? Getting a little senile in your old age and perhaps a little slow on the uptake? Was it not clear that my comment was nothing more than speculation? Or maybe you’re just one of those many internet posters looking for an argument..?
off topic but is anyone else seeing what Steph Curry is doing to the NBA? It’s frightening that he keeps getting better.
Complete astonishment. Never seen a better shooter in my life.
They were looking at the numbers and astonishingly his efficiency goes up the more he’s used. That pretty much breaks logic.
Basically if he gets off a shot it’s going in. And there’s nowhere on the court you can defend him. Like, that’s usually hyperbole when people say a guy can shoot from anywhere. But he literally can shoot from absolutely any spot on the court & make it look easy. Even 32 feet away like last night.
How do you guard him? Poor Andre Roberson on the game winner, he was lost. Do you crowd him and risk him blowing by you? Do you back off and give the 30+ foot attempt? Conventional logic says let him shoot the bomb but holy shit with Curry there’s just nowhere he can’t hit from.
Really astonishing to see his rise to prominence. I never thought a guy with his body type would be the best in the NBA, I always assumed it would be huge guys like Durant and Lebron and Kobe.
The Morons on sirius mad dog radio were talking about the Oscar Robertson quote (they kept calling him “Oscar Robinson”) saying that Curry wouldn’t be able to score like this on old-time defenses, they’d just take him away and let the other guys try to beat you. What they miss, if they watch golden state, is that teams ARE trying to take him away and play physical with him. He just hits shake-and-bake step-back 3’s and shoots from 35 feet. You can’t scheme to take that away; no way. The defenders can’t stay with him.
When I was your age…
And it doesn’t matter what kind of defense they run to contain him. He’s going to score and he’s going to sink 3s.
If this was baseball and he kept hitting homers, I’d say he’s juicing. What type of pharmaceutical juice allows you to hit 3s at an insane rate?
That Del curry DNA Juice!
It’s that pill from limitless.
It’s the equivalent of a guy on pace for a 103 HR season. It’s friggin unreal.
Missed opportunity Tommy: this could have been titled “DeMarco DeDrama” ( as opposed to say “DeMarco DeMovie” ).
5 scouts on 50 top players — compiled by GB’s excellent beat report Bob McGinn.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/2016-nfl-draft-outlook-b99676279z1-370399721.html
Wonderlic scores pop up in a few reviews.
nice read.
McGinn does amazing work.
There’s still a month till the draft. I’m not very excited for this years draft for some reason.
It’s 2 months to the draft lol.
Oh great that makes it even worse.
Are all of the 40 times done for the d-linemen yet? I have a drug themed snide comment ready for Noah Spence, but I need to see if his time was good or bad before I make it.
He ran a 4.8.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=noah+spence+40+time
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He ran very poorly .4.80
Needed more X at the finish line.
DL Official 40 times sorted
Charles Tapper 4.59
Emmanuel Ogbah 4.63
Kamalei Correa 4.69
Shaq Lawson 4.7
Matt Judon 4.73
Dadi Nicolas 4.74
Yannick Ngakoue 4.75
Alex Mccalister 4.8
Noah Spence 4.8
Anthony Zettel 4.81
James Cowser 4.82
Shilique Calhoun 4.82
Carl Nassib 4.84
Joey Bosa 4.86
Kevin Dodd 4.86
Victor Ochi 4.86
Bronson Kaufusi 4.87
Dean Lowry 4.87
Robert Nkemdiche 4.87
Romeo Okwara 4.9
Connor Wujciak 4.91
Jason Fanaika 4.92
Ron Thompson 4.92
Javon Hargrave 4.93
Jonathan Bullard 4.93
Giorgio Newberry 4.94
Quinton Jefferson 4.95
Shawn Oakman 4.96
Lawrence Thomas 4.98
D.J. Pettway 4.99
Willie Henry 5
Ufomba Kamalu 5.01
Hassan Ridgeway 5.02
Joel Heath 5.02
Chris Jones 5.03
Maliek Collins 5.03
Matt Ioannidis 5.03
Sheldon Rankins 5.03
Andrew Billings 5.05
DeForest Buckner 5.05
Branden Jackson 5.06
Kenny Clark 5.06
Sheldon Day 5.07
Mehdi Abdesmad 5.1
Jihad Ward 5.11
Devaunte Sigler 5.15
Ronald Blair 5.15
Adolphus Washington 5.17
Vincent Valentine 5.19
A’Shawn Robinson 5.2
Jarran Reed 5.21
Sterling Bailey 5.23
Austin Johnson 5.32
Darius Latham 5.32
D.J. Reader 5.33
Vernon Butler 5.33
Chris Mayes 5.34
Adam Gotsis DNP
Antwaun Woods DNP
Drew Ott DNP
Jimmy Bean DNP
Luther Maddy DNP
Nile Lawrence-Stample DNP
http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2016DL.php
DL 3 cone drill times sorted:
James Cowser 6.8
Joey Bosa 6.89
Shilique Calhoun 6.97
Alex Mccalister 7.01
Bronson Kaufusi 7.03
Dadi Nicolas 7.04
Jason Fanaika 7.06
Shaq Lawson 7.16
Noah Spence 7.21
Victor Ochi 7.24
Dean Lowry 7.26
Emmanuel Ogbah 7.26
Carl Nassib 7.27
Jonathan Bullard 7.31
Connor Wujciak 7.32
Ufomba Kamalu 7.32
Yannick Ngakoue 7.35
Jihad Ward 7.38
Romeo Okwara 7.38
Branden Jackson 7.4
Chris Jones 7.44
Joel Heath 7.44
Sheldon Day 7.44
Sheldon Rankins 7.44
Ron Thompson 7.46
Sterling Bailey 7.46
DeForest Buckner 7.51
Giorgio Newberry 7.53
Maliek Collins 7.53
Shawn Oakman 7.53
Mehdi Abdesmad 7.55
Willie Henry 7.57
Anthony Zettel 7.63
Matt Judon 7.67
D.J. Pettway 7.74
Darius Latham 7.76
Jarran Reed 7.77
Matt Ioannidis 7.78
A’Shawn Robinson 7.8
Vernon Butler 7.82
Austin Johnson 7.84
D.J. Reader 7.9
Devaunte Sigler 7.9
Javon Hargrave 7.9
Quinton Jefferson 7.95
Ronald Blair 7.95
Vincent Valentine 8.03
Andrew Billings 8.05
Adolphus Washington 8.06
Hassan Ridgeway 8.28
Adam Gotsis DNP
Antwaun Woods DNP
Charles Tapper DNP
Chris Mayes DNP
Drew Ott DNP
Jimmy Bean DNP
Kamalei Correa DNP
Kenny Clark DNP
Kevin Dodd DNP
Lawrence Thomas DNP
Luther Maddy DNP
Nile Lawrence-Stample DNP
Robert Nkemdiche DNP
LBs Official 40 times sorted:
Dominique Alexander DNP
Darron Lee 4.47
Travis Feeney 4.5
De’Vondre Campbell 4.58
Deion Jones 4.59
Leonard Floyd 4.6
Montese Overton 4.61
Stephen Weatherly 4.61
Joshua Perry 4.68
B J Goodson 4.69
Devante Bond 4.7
Blake Martinez 4.71
Kyler Fackrell 4.72
Nick Vigil 4.72
Reggie Ragland 4.72
Cory Littleton 4.73
Nick Kwiatkoski 4.73
Joe Schobert 4.76
Beniquez Brown 4.77
Terrance Smith 4.77
Steve Longa 4.78
Eric Striker 4.8
Jared Norris 4.8
Jordan Jenkins 4.8
C.J. Johnson 4.81
Tyler Matakevich 4.81
Steven Daniels 4.86
Kentrell Brothers 4.89
Scooby Wright 4.9
Josh Forrest 4.91
Kris Frost 4.97
Gionni Paul 5.05
Cassanova Mckinzy DNP
Curt Maggitt DNP
Jaylon Smith DNP
Myles Jack DNP
Raphael Kirby DNP
Su’a Cravens DNP
Only 1/2 three cone drill times are up for LBs so if I remember I will look later and post them.
It’s crazy that Okafor is the guy trying to carry the team as a rookie… I wonder if Embiid comes back and is the guy he’s advertised as, if maybe Okafor could be used as a bigtime trade piece.
Combine comparison . . .
Carl Nassib (6’7″ 277 lbs) vs. Vinny Curry (6’3″ 266 lbs)
* 40-yard:
4.82 vs. 4.98
*10-yard split:
1.62 vs. 1.76
* 20-yard sh:
4.37 vs. 4.98
* Broad Jump:
9.06 vs. 9.02
* Vertical:
28.5 vs. 32.0
* 3-cone:
7.20 vs. 6.98
Really good numbers for Nassib, since all his question marks were about his athleticism. the 28.5 vert is a head scratcher tho.