2016 Free Agency Preview
Posted: March 7th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 767 Comments »The Eagles can begin talking to agents on Monday. They can’t make any moves until Wednesday. Let’s take a look at what the team needs and what is available.
The goal is to improve the team by plugging some holes in the starting lineup and adding depth to the roster. With the shift in offensive and defensive schemes there could be more depth moves than normal. I’m not going to get into cap space and projected contracts. The Eagles have enough money to add a key player or two, but they can’t compete with some of the teams that have huge money available. Remember that Howie Roseman trained under the greatest capologist of them all, Joe Banner. Roseman knows how to structure contracts creatively. He might be willing to cut a player or two if it helps. Roseman won’t do anything financially unsound. I can’t guarantee all the signings will pan out exactly as planned, but I absolutely trust Roseman when it comes to making smart deals.
OG
I don’t see the Eagles going after a lot of starters, but I do expect them to add a starting OG. Here are some of the possible targets.
Kelechi Osemele – Ravens – The top guard on the market. I don’t see the Eagles pursuing him because of his reported price tag of more than $10M per season. Osemele is a good player, especially in the run game, but I don’t think he’s the kind of dominant blocker you hand a blank check to.
Alex Boone – Niners – Really good player. Huge at 6-7, 330, but not just a power guy. Moves surprisingly well for his size. If age wasn’t a concern (about to turn 29), would definitely be my top choice for the Eagles. 4-year starter at LG who could be plugged into the Eagles lineup right away and would improve the OL. I really enjoyed watching his tape. Not just a good run blocker, but impressed me with pass protection. Also smart. Showed good awareness and knew who to block.
Jeff Allen – Chiefs – I wondered if Allen would be anything more than a convenient target because of his ties to Doug Pederson. He was. Very much enjoyed watching him. Saw games where he started at RT and LG. That versatility is a good thing, as the Eagles have dealt with injuries up front the past two years. Allen just turned 26 and is in the prime of his career. He has solid size at 6-4, 306.
The concern with Allen is durability. He played 16 games as a rookie, but has missed time in the other years. Played in 12 games last year, with 8 starts. I think he should be a primary target for the Eagles because he has played for Pederson and won’t cost a fortune. Allen also has good intangibles. He plays with an edge, which is something to be valued in an OL. Beyond the Pederson connection, Allen played for Eugene Chung in KC and he is now the assistant OL coach in Philly.
Brandon Brooks – Texans – The starting RG for Houston for the past 3 seasons. Big man at 6-5, 343. Has good feet and moves well. Turns 27 this summer. Fairly durable, having started 44 of the past 48 games. At the right price, is a very attractive target. Good player and still has upside. Only problem is that I think he could get a huge deal. Not sure he’s worth megabucks. I would expect the Eagles to talk to his agent. Brooks combination of age, size, ability and upside make him an attractive target. If the price is right, could be a very good signing. My one issue with him is that he’s sloppy with his hands. Tends to get grabby at times.
J.R. Sweezy – Seahawks – Former college DT has played 49 games at OG in the NFL and has developed into a terrific run blocker. Athletic blocker goes 6-5, 296. Watch this video to know all you need to about the kind of player Sweezy is.
Sweezy isn’t a great pass blocker. Will turn 27 in April so there is still a chance for him to get better. Might not be a great fit in Pederson’s offense, depending on what they want. Very fun player to watch. Should have a reasonable price tag.
Other players of possible interest:
Ramon Foster – Steelers – Another left guard with good size, but Foster is less athletic than the others. He just turned 30 and has started for the past five seasons.
Mike Harris – Vikings – Just finished his first season as a full-time starter. Has some potential, but is hardly a sure thing. Played for the Chargers when Frank Reich was there so there is a connection to him. 6-5, 310.
Geoff Schwartz – Giants – Experienced blocker who isn’t going to wow anyone, but has been an effective starter. Played RG last year.
Jahri Evans – Saints – Philly native and former Pro Bowl OG. Would be a nice story to have him come home, but Evans is on the decline. Could be a good fit for a year or two if the Eagles can’t land one of the other free agents. More of a phone booth player these days. If Pederson wants his OL pulling, moving and blocking in space, Evans wouldn’t be a good fit.
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SAFETY
NFL insider Jason La Canfora thinks the Eagles could be in play for a high-end Safety. The team needs a starter opposite of Malcolm Jenkins and there are some good options.
George Iloka – Bengals – Big (6-4, 225), young (about to turn 26) and a good fit for the new scheme. There is a dearth of good Safeties in the NFL so Iloka could be in for a major payday. Not much of a playmaker (5 career INTs and 2 FFs), and that has to be factored in. Covers well and a good run defender. Smart. Comes up aggressively vs the run, but stays under control.
Eric Weddle – Chargers – I loved him coming out of Utah and I’ve enjoyed watching him over the years. Weddle is 31 and on the decline. Production has fallen off and he’s not an overly physical player. Weddle is still smart and a good tackler. Would be ideal for a creative coach who likes to move his DBs around a lot. I don’t think he’d be a great fit with Jim Schwartz. Still, he is a talented veteran S.
Tashaun Gipson – Browns – Has 14 career interceptions and is only 25 years old. That’s a pretty good description for a free agent DB. Gipson’s tape doesn’t match his stats. Solid young player, but not an impact DB. Sounds like he is looking for a big contract. If the money doesn’t pan out, might be of interest. Coaches do love DBs who have a nose for the ball.
Rodney McLeod – Rams – Love watching this guy play. Lacks ideal size at 5-10, 195, but he is a big hitter. Had 3 FFs last year (8 in his career). Rams tend to line him up deep. Comes down aggressively vs the run. Finished third on the team in tackles. Also shows good range in the pass game. Could be a great value signing.
Reggie Nelson – Bengals – Older than Father Time, but is coming off an 8-INT season. Has 30 picks over his 9-year career. Very good blitzer. The Bengals have him rush the passer a lot. Can be an erratic tackler. I don’t see why the Eagles would go after a 33-year old S, but he is still a good player.
Other players of possible interest:
Michael Griffin – Titans – 31-year old S, but might be of interest since he played for Jim Schwartz in TEN. Declining player, but still finished second on the Titans in tackles. Could make sense if the team wants a veteran to play while they develop a young player. Griffin knows the system and would come at a reasonable price.
Tyvon Branch – Chiefs – Was a role player for KC last year. Started for the Raiders prior to that. 30-years old and he’s never been much of a playmaker. Pederson knows him from last year. Branch would be a veteran to come in cheap and compete for a job.
Rahim Moore – Texans – Played for DBs coach Cory Undlin in Denver. Signed with Houston last year and had a very disappointing season. Lost his starting job. I don’t think he’ll be a primary target, but could be a backup option if things don’t work out with other players.
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WR
The Eagles need help at receiver, whether it comes from FA or the draft. Because they are already young at the position, I tend to think they’ll look to add a veteran player.
Rueben Randle – Giants – When I first saw his name, I had negative thoughts. He has been somewhat of an underachiever in the NFL. But if you take a look, he is a player on the rise. Posted career high numbers in 2014, 71-938. Those totals went down a bit last year, but had career high 8 TDs. Good size and he can make tough catches. Interesting target.
Mohamed Sanu – Bengals – Sanu would be a terrific fit in the WCO. He is outstanding with the ball in his hands. CIN valued that so much that they fed him the ball on reverses and even Wildcat plays. Has 26 career rushes. Not a stud WR, but can be part of a good WR corps. Speculation is that his former OC, Hue Jackson, will spend big to bring him to Cleveland. As much as I like him, Sanu isn’t worth big money.
Rishard Matthews – Dolphins – I loved Matthews coming out of college so it is good to see him start to take off as an NFL player. He is coming off a career year, 43-662-4. Similar to Sanu in that he’s not a guy you feed the ball to, but can be part of a good group. Price should be right and he is an ascending player.
Jermaine Kearse – Seahawks – Solid size at 6-1, 209. Does an amazing job on contested catches. Contact from DBs doesn’t seem to bother him. Focuses on the ball and makes some highlight grabs. There is risk with Kearse. Played in highly erratic passing game in Seattle. Put him on another team and you might find out Kearse can catch 80 passes and score 10 TDs. Or you might find out he benefited greatly from Russell Wilson scrambling around and buying time for him to get open. Kearse wants more catches and more money. Part of me is intrigued, but another part is scared of him. Call that the Byron Maxwell factor.
Nate Washington – Texans – Hard to believe Washington has been in the league for more than a decade. Has started 100 of the past 112 games. Has 458 career catches. The reason I’m listing him here is that the Eagles could use a smart, productive veteran to help mentor the young receivers.
STers (the Brad Smith / Seyi Ajirotutu role)
Andre Holmes – Raiders – Started for one year, but has mostly been a role player on offense and STer. Holmes has good size at 6-5, 208. Might be interesting to have someone that big as a RZ option.
Ricardo Lockette – Seahawks – Mostly a STer. Has 22 career catches, but made his living doing the dirty work on STs.
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DT
The Eagles starters are set, but with Cedric Thornton set to hit the market, depth could be an issue. It all depends on what Schwartz thinks of the current backups. He wants to rotate the DL so he does need good backups and not just guys who can eat up a few snaps here and there.
Nick Fairley – Rams – Schwartz drafted him in Detroit and Fairley posted solid numbers in 2012 and 2013. Was a backup last year in STL. If he’s willing to remain a backup, would make sense for him to reunite with Schwartz.
Sammie Lee Hill – Titans – Big man at 6-4, 329. Schwartz might want a big body to come off the bench and be able to stuff the run and help collapse the pocket. Hill played for him in Detroit.
Randy Starks – Dolphins – Will turn 33 in December, but remains an effective interior rusher. Could be good coming off the bench and as a situational player. Began his career playing under Schwartz in Tennessee.
Billy Winn – Colts – Has mostly played in the 3-4 in the NFL, but an interesting young guy. Goes 6-4, 300. Could play DE or DT in the 4-3. Doesn’t have the burst to start outside, but can play in space and Schwartz sometimes likes big guys on the edge. Got hurt late in the season so that’s an issue, but Winn would be a cheap investment. Has potential as a rotational guy.
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DE
The Eagles have 3 good DEs. Marcus Smith is completely unproven. The team will need to add someone, whether via FA or the draft. There are some good options, but they may be too good. Eagles are looking for a #4 DE. The draft might end up being the best option.
Jason Jones – Lions – Played for Schwartz in TEN and DET. Has good size at 6-5, 275. Also versatile. Can play DE or DT. Had 4.5 sacks last year. Turns 30 this spring. Has spent time as a starter and backup in his career. Really would make a lot of sense for the Eagles to target him.
Eugene Sims – Rams – 30-year old backup with limited production. But he has good length at 6-5 and the price will be right. Played in a similar system for the Rams so there wouldn’t be a huge learning curve.
George Selvie – Giants – Terrific motor. Has good size at 6-4, 270. Would be solid backup, but isn’t a good starter. Played for the Boys and G-men so he needs to play for the Eagles if he’s going to cover the whole NFC East.
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LB
The Eagles are set with starters. But they need backups. Najee Goode is one. I project him as the backup WIL. Here are some options the team could look at.
Vincent Rey – Bengals – Has been a starter and backup in his career. Can play inside or outside. Might look for a starting job, but he is best suited to being a key backup.
Tahir Whitehead – Lions – Former Temple star started in 2014 and 2015 and showed good talent. Would make sense for the Eagles to pursue him because Schwartz drafted him and he’ll know the system. The problem is that Whitehead would have to be convinced he could win an OLB spot. He’s not signing somewhere strictly to be a backup.
Danny Lansanah – Bucs – RFA, but the Bucs decided not to tender him. Productive backup OLB for them who could fill that role for the Eagles.
Justin Durant – Falcons – Older player who has started for most of his career. Played for Schwartz in DET so he would know the system. Could backup at OLB and MLB.
David Hawthorne – Saints – Veteran LB who has played inside and outside. Was a playmaker earlier in his career. Didn’t fare as well in the 3-4, but is a good fit in the 4-3.
Travis Lewis – Lions – Young player who has had a disappointing career. Schwartz drafted him, but Lewis didn’t play much while he was there. Had 4 starts in 2015, but is a complete unknown at this point.
Sean Spence – Steelers – I loved him coming out of Miami. Terrific college LB. Didn’t think he was a good fit for the Steelers 3-4 and injuries have hurt him as well. Solid backup the past 2 years. Started 13 games in that stretch. Not sure a team will take a chance on him as a starter, but could be a very good role player. Might fit at WIL and MLB.
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MISC
I don’t anticipate the Eagles making a move at RB. I think they’d have to do something with Murray first.
QB is a possibility. Chase Daniel would love a chance to compete for a starting job. If he can’t find a team to offer him that, you wonder if Doug Pederson would cut Sanchez and sign Daniel. I would be in favor of that move. I know Sanchez has more experience, but he played so poorly this past year and showed no progress that I’m willing to move on from him. The coaches have said nothing but good things about Sanchez publicly. Maybe they really like him and think he’ll do better in the new system. We’ll see.
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SUMMARY
It feels like the Eagles are going to be more active than I originally thought, but I think a lot of the signings will be backups and role players rather than big names or stars. If you sign the right guys, they can really help your team.
I expect:
- starting OG
- veteran WR
- backup DL
- backup LB
The Eagles will talk to some Safeties, but that feels a lot less certain.
The key for me is for the Eagles to be smart shoppers. Sign the right guys, not the biggest names. Find players who fit the schemes and can help right away.
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This WR group is so thin and lacking so much quality i would just give it a pass entirely since people will get hugely over paid. Find a burning WR who can run go routes in the 4th/5th and play him 10-15 snaps a game to give us a deep threat at times, and free up the run game a little and get 5-8 x-plays over the year and hope the guys we already have improve and build chemistry with Sam in a full off season working together.
Sounds about right… If they pay for a WR in this shit WR market, I would think it would be an older mentor type like a Miles Austin type, not an addition that will be making a difference on the field for us
Lets take Nate Allen at a discount and have him teach Agholar the little things for a year or two. I would like that.
I’d love us to sign a strong OG. It would be a good sign that Pederson is committed to a good running game, which would make all kinds of sense.
Though not a free agent, DJax may be available if the Deadski NS release him as FAS been reported. Wonder if the Eagles would have interest.
I actually think it might be Peirre Garcon who will get cut. I’d love or the Eagles to sign him.
Also, it was reported that Mr. Salsa might will be released if he doesn’t accept a paycut.
no thanks.
Can’t say I blame you. He is a “me” player. I still think he would improve our WR corps. There aren’t a lot of options in free agency.
Stoutland is probably telling Pederson and Roseman, “ALL THE GUARDS. ALL.”
It feels like every offseason, Jason Jones is talked about as a candidate for the eagles.
Read this, thank me later:
http://overthecap.com/11619-2/#more-11619
I’ll thank you now, great article.thanks for posting
Good article, although I can’t get past one thing. If we cut Bradford before 2017, its just 9 million in dead money for 2017, no big deal.
Um, what the fuck did I just read, 9 million and acting like its chunk change. That 9 million in dead money would be more than our 3rd highest cap number in 2017, although it might drop all the way down to 4th when Cox gets his deal.
I might be blinded by my firm point that Bradford is horrible mediocre and thus this contract is going to massively overpay him, but fuck me. Oh really we save 2 million of a tool that utilizes the top 5 contracts of the best paid position in football. Well skippy, we save a little compared to the best QBs in the league, but we still have it to Sam Bradford.
Next on Eagles news, heres why paying Kiko Alonso like Bobby Wagner is a good idea, because fuck it, at least it wasn’t a Kuechly level contract.
The reason it’s no big deal is because theoretically the reason we cut him is we have a guy we just drafted this year on a small rookie contract. That 2M + the 9M in dead money is still just 11M at the QB position which would be one of the smaller QB cap numbers in the league. But I get that 9M in dead money is still a big number
Sure, but I’d still rather have that young QB +9 million in extra cap space.
It’s only 9m if no one else signs him. There’s offset so assuming he gets paid at least 4m elsewhere it’s a 5m cap hit
just gotta keep in mind all of these numbers need to be kept in context of percentages of salary cap and not just an arbitrary number (which people seem to lose their minds about). Brady is unique situation because he has the ultimate QB-Job security with Belichick, so that restructuring can happen again and again because he is going to retire a Patriot most likely. The guy is just saying that from a pure percentage we could do worse, but we ABSOLUTELY will be paying at least 8%+ of our cap to even sniff the division. The fact that Bradfords contract is 2 years and 2/3 of the guaranteed money is the first year tells me, we are going to draft a QB hopefully and he can sit the first year while Bradford trys to pull a Revis and parlay his play into another short term fully guaranteed contract. Like it said his agent is fully aware of his past earnings and is not looking for security for Bradford’s contract, instead trying to maximize is guaranteed earnings. The only way this doesn’t work is if Sanchez is somehow a 3rd string QB in 2017, at which time if Bradford did well enough would be great trade bait in 2017 with an appealing low cap number for 2017.
Deadskins finally cut RGknee
I pray he becomes a cowboy. It would make me so happy!
Another act for the Jerry circus.
From the list of Tommy’s FAs here I would love to cut Sanchez for Daniel. Doubtful Chase could ever be the guy, but we know Mark isn’t.
Intrigued by Fairly. Like some of the Safeties. One of the guards would be great, that FA group is deep.
The rest of them I really don’t have interest in. If they signed a WR, maybe Kearse. Not really into that group at all.
Dolphins may be trading for Byron Maxwell… INTERESTING…..
Howie going all in on making sure everyone knows just how much better he is at GM’ing than Chippy K.
Not really… Roseman put his ego to the side and came to the realization that Bradford who is chips prized acquisition is what’s best for us moving forward, instead of being spiteful and looking to purge the roster of EVERYONE chip brought in while Roseman was stuck in the Jantors closet last year..
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Seems like Roseman put his ego to the side so far and Is focused on what’s best for the team to me…
just saw that, hope it’s for more than a late round pick
Howie isn’t one to get housed on a deal like this. Can’t see someone spending much though. For all his flaws he is better than we have had in some time. His replacement isn’t likely on the team.
Unless the genius son of a gun wants WTII as a CB and needs to move on from Max to make that work.
I’d be fine with that especially given what Schwartz likes in CB including their ability to have some speed.
Maxwell is overpaid and I can’t see him performing that much that much better this year. Yeah he rebounded a bit after arguably being the worst starting CB in the NFL in Sept.
Still isn’t anything more than a mediocre CB who lacks speed and acceleration along with playing really soft at times last year. Really surprised Maxwell didn’t take a lot more crap in the 2nd half of the season (especially the Lions’ game) where he gave very questionable effort to tackle players at times.
If the Eagles can get a conditional 4th round pick for Maxwell and get out from his crappy contract, I’d take it.
Guess everyone forgot how bad CB was here before. We are about to find out again .
If we trade Maxwell. It won’t be because of the compensation we get in return. The compensations would be allowing us to get out of the bad contract sooner than we could by cutting him..
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What we would get in return Probably won’t be significant
Yeah. If the Dolphins take on the entire salary, I’d imagine you simply get a late round pick.
Im sure we would take the 7th round pick and run if we had the chance… It may not even get us that much. We could end up doing something like Maxwell and our 7th for the Dolphins 6th round pick but obviously it would be a cap motivated move, not something we are doing to get value in return
Save 4.9 million… Jenkins & Amukamara are FAs…I realize they’d be expensive . CB is pretty good in 1st in draft.
Sean smith since we tend to stick with the lazy KC connections
You say they need a starting safety yes I agree but then why does it feel less certain they will sign one? You didn’t explain that at all. It’s weird to me you expect a starting guard but not a starting safety. What am I missing? It can’t just be Jeff Allen connection. Abdullah and Branch are FAs. There are a lot of FA safeties young and older (cheaper).
Also did I miss cornerbacks? We have Rowe, Maxwell, Watkins, and the 3 rookies who wre on IR or PS. We have unproven nickel yet you previewed DE saying Marcus Smith was unproven as 4th DE. I’m not saying they’ll sign a CB but between Biggers and Boykin and Carroll I hope they consider it. It’s more important than 4th/5th DE and 4th DT and 5TH LB isn’t it?
Kind of surprised CB isn’t a consideration Tommy.
Yeah they need to sign another veteran CB and I think they will. Just depends if it is Carroll or if they have someone else in mind.
maybe re-signing Carrol and targeting CB in the first round..Hargraeves, Mckensie Alexander, William Jackson III could be possible targets at our spot or slightly lower in a trade back scenario
My sense is that Roseman thinks the Eagles got poor value for Maxwell’s contract last year and it is not likely to improve much this year. Ditto his attitude and effort at times last year.
The rest of what you said makes a lot of sense too especially keeping Rowe at one of the other CB positions.
Still love to see Williams here at the one DE position even if that is a largely a pipe dream.
If the Eagles do trade Maxwell and move another meaningful salary (say Barwin ), it really does free up some money to do something of substance this offseason.
Jason already wrote article on Maxwell trade cap implications. I don’t know if we’ll pull it off or take something bad back.
In a trade the Eagles only take on $4.8 million in dead money, a gain of $4.9 million in cap room. Pulling that move off should earn Howie Roseman an executive of the offseason award if such an award existed.
http://overthecap.com/eagles-working-maxwell-trade-dolphins/
Im conflicted… On one hand the elliot Shorr parks fanboy in me would love more cap space… On the other hand I kind of like having limited cap space for a change, knowing that we can only add 2 or 3 Free Agents forcing Roseman to build the draft, instead of clearing a bunch of cap space and seeing Roseman not be able to help himself from going on a big free agent shopping spree….
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When Maxwell was Bad, he was REALLY BAD! But it wasn’t all BAD, he played some solid ball during parts of the season, the problem was we paid so much for him, and his Lows were so Putrid, that when he did play well, no one really cared or gave him much credit for it.
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Dysfunctional teams get rid of a starter without already having his replacement on the roster. We have enough holes that need to be addressed without creating another glaring starting need especially at a positipn like CB that is typically hard for rookies to play…. the CB depth chart DOESNT look good, I feel like there are like two or three CB roster spots that should be upgraded before we go create another CB need and get out of the Maxwell deal at this point in time,. It’s not like we are stuck with the Guy for 6 years, we can cut Him a year from now, so part of me would like to see him one more year before making a decision on him. His presence also allows us to groom a rookie and not have to put him on the field too soon… He has NO TRADE VALUE, it would only be a cap dump trade. We have a lot of work to do on our secondary without also having to replace Maxwell
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Im pretty conflicted about this, I can see value in trading him now, and I can see value in cutting him a year from now, so I’ll probably be fine with whatever they decide, but I’d probably prefer seeing a guy in his second year before making the permanent decision to get rid of Him, so Ultimately I’ll probably be fine with whatever they decide to do about this
Trade Maxwell for Jarvis Landry!!!!!
For Suh………. I am joking. Or am I?!
How about Huff and Maxwell for Landry and a draft pick.
Why not just trade him straight up for a Unicorn while we are at it
Because a unicorn’s 40 at best is a 4.65.
poor change of direction too..
Unicorns are known to disappear in big games.
Terribly prone to spearing penalties also
I’d just settle for Landry but the draft pick would be an bonus. Even if it’s a 7th.
Dream on lol we probably wouldn’t even get Kenny Stills.
I’d like Boone on a shorter deal and someone that can be penciled in right away to start at LG.
This still strikes me more as a ‘rebuilding team’ than a ‘transition team’ and it would fit with what Roseman has done this offseason including extending a few veterans to shorter term deals as the Eagles try to be competitive yet get younger as they retool.
I don’t agree that the moves Roseman has made indicates that this team is rebuilding. Why keep a 34 year old Peters, why resign a 27 year old pass rusher, why keep Barwin, why extend a 29 year old Jenkins. I firmly believe this team thinks it can be competitive immediately and are making moves that show that. What ever moves they make in free agency will give us a much better idea. If they sign some high end players then like Jeff Allen to play LG or a safety like Iloka then rebuilding goes out of the windown. FA will give us the clearest outlook this team has.
Celek too…. But yes, I assume we are in win the division or bust mode already
You’re right Celek and even Bradford. I know the Bradford deal can essentially be a one year deal but if this was a rebuild why not sign some bum to be a stop gap or roll with Sanchez instead of signing Bradford. In a weak division this team can be competitive quickly.
Im also not sure all our players would be willing to sign those extensions before the open market most likely would have increased their value if the Eagles were going to with some rebuild. Rebuilding really never made much sense when we have as much Talent on our roster as any of our Rivals, it would be a damn shame to waste a great opportunity that is playing in such a winnable division that is currently ripe for the taking.
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Rebuilding ismt even Neccessary in today’s NFl. You can compete While you build. It’s going to be more and more rare to see those 3-5 yeàr rebuilds like we are seeing in Jaxonville, most coaches and GMs today DONT even get the job security to go that route.
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The Texans are taking advantage of a poor division, and winning ISNT really stopping them from building their team. It’s not like the NBA where sneaking into the playoffs cripples your ability to really Improve your team..
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For me, The most “rebuilding” I want to see from the Eagles, is competing with what we have, Eliminate the FA shopping sprees, make 2 or 3 strategic signings in FA and Build the rest tnru the draft… You wanna talk about Building with young players, making it to the playoffs and giving your kids a taste of playoff experience is GREAT FOR building your NFL team up..
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Typically Teams have to experiemce Losing in the playoffs before learning how to win in the playoffs.. Since its a process, the sooner we can gain some playoff experience even if we lose the playoff games, the Sooner this tea will learn how to win in Jauary and grow into a legit contender
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I would really hate to waste this opportunity that is playing in such a winnable division. I don’t see any rival that out classes us in Talent, heck as we stand today, we already have better personnel on defense than our division rivals….
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Anything less than winning our division this year is a failure, even if we aren’t a legit Super Bowl contender
Because Lurie doesn’t want to go through a 3-13/4-12 season and thinks this team can win the NFC East next year even with just 9 wins.
How bout Lovie Smith getting hired by the Illini.
Sucks be Illinois.
Good news for us Illoka fans, I been worried about his former coach Zimmer, wanting to bring Illoka to the Vikings to play next to harrison, but the Vikings gave a big extension to a guy they had in house already.. Be great if the Vikings are out of the Illoka bidding war. Unfortunately im sure there are at least 5 other teams we have to compete with for his services, and odds are one of our division Rivals are also targeting him, if not all our division rivals
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Sanu won’t be an eagle because it won’t make sense to pay what he willl end up getting. rumor has it that the Giants and Browns will make a strong push for him
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I don’t see how we can consider paying a FA DT lke Fairley.. Makes no sense to me, when we will be extending Cox and Logan in the next two years
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Anyone know if the big KC corners Sean Smith is still playing at a high level?
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Handful of Guards available that Id be happy to sigń
Sean Smith is a baller and still one of the better corners in the league. Got overshadowed slightly by rookie sensation Marcus Peters but Smith’s play was on par if not better then Peters.
Thank you sir.. Wasn’t sure if his ability started to diminish yet.
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If they are going to trade Maxwell instead of holding on to him for one more year, they better think they can replace him with an immediate free agent upgrade. for me Janoris jenkins would be ideal, but they better be able to sign a CB of that Caliber if they trade Maxwell
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Keeping Maxwell, and cut him next year would allow us to draft and groom his replacement for a year before we have to depend on him.. But im ok with whatever they decide to do about Maxwell. I can make a case for keeping or trading him
Yea the Maxwell trade rumors don’t make sense to me for a couple of reasons. 1 – There is no replacement on the roster other then Rowe (do they have that much confident in the 2nd year player?), or do they trust bringing back Carroll to start with Rowe. 2 – His contract is easily to get out of after next year so he is worth keeping for at the least one more year. 3 – The Dolphins can’t sign any of their own players yet they are going to give up assets to bring in a big money player? 4 – Compensation. I would rather throw Maxwell out there again for another season then give him away for peanuts just to save some money. With all that said Sean Smith would be more then welcomed here.
Well said, I see it the same way as you do..
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CB is already a big enough Need with Maxwell on the roster. Even if we are able to have Nolan, Maxwell and ROWE at CB this Year, drafting a QB is still a pretty big need for us, things get Really scary if we lose Maxwell or Nolan, God forbid we lose Both right now…
Good stuff, Tommy. Thanks as always for the detail.
I think CB should be another area of target for the Eagles especially if the rumors are serious about Maxwell being dealt. We have a lot of ? at the position and no one that is elite or even great.
For me, the priority order would be OG, OT, CB, S and LB
I see it as:
1)’Safety
2) OG
3) OT
4) Strong side LB (ideal if he also has MIKE LB versatility)
5) CB
6) DT
7) WR
8) RB
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But if we trade Maxwell, CB instantly becomes as big of a need as both safety and Guard
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Plenty of work to do, hopefully they can get it right and build it to where it needs to be with two Offseasons… But this year is Division Title or Bust already as far as I’m concerned
Just saw we are still in contract talks with Carroll. My guess is they have something lined up with Carroll for what we would save on Maxwell.
My understanding is Nolan wasn’t going to sign anyghing without testing the open market, after he looked around and saw The contracts, guys in a similar situation as him like Davon House got in FA..
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I also don’t think the Maxwell situatiion has any bearing on what we do about Nolan, and that we would like to Keep Nolan whether Maxwell is here or not.. Trade or no trade for Maxwell, my impression is Eagles and Nolan would like Him to remain an Eagle, but the money has to be right for both sides, if Nolan gets blown away with some crazy contract offer, the Eagles probably łet him walk. If his minimal starting Experiemce on the outside, along with coming off ankle surgery means that team are only offering him modest prove it deals, Eagles will bring him back, even if they don’t trade Maxwell
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Even if Maxwell, nolan and ROWE are all here this season. Drafting a CB is still a big priority for us
wait howie could move bmax??
According to a PFT report I saw, have no idea if it is legit or not
https://twitter.com/JimOwczarski/status/706898387094925314
Slap him with more money Howie!
I don’t know if it’s legit…
Warpaint Illustrated @ChiefsInsider 2h2 hours ago
Told #Eagles intend to contact agents today in regards to FA #Chiefs Guard Jeff Allen and QB Chase Daniel. Though KC may still offer CD.
Byron Maxwell for a 6th and their best ball boy, make it happen.
Then the Eagles put what on the field? Yea Maxwell didn’t light the world on fire last year but that doesn’t mean he cant improve in his 2nd year and he is still the best option the team has at the moment.
They’ll start that ball boy of course. Hidden gem.
As long as he doesn’t ride TEs on horseback anymore. That was an embarrassment.
There were almost endless amounts of embarrassing moments last year. I am not ready to give up on Maxwell after one year, especially with a real/experienced/and successful Jim Schwartz and his pedigree now in town. If Schwartz doesn’t bring out the best in him then we know who he is then.
Can trades go down now or do we have to wait until Wednesday?
Id rather have their head cheerleader
Nonsense, ball boys 40 time is way better.
If Roseman is able to move guys like Murray and Maxwell, and keep from moving Barwin, or from cutting Sproles… I may cry 🙂
If Roseman is able to trade Mark Sanchez, I’ll really bow down to “our Supreme Leader” Kim Jung Roseman….
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I want some type of value in return for Taylor Hart and Caleb Sturgis
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I don’t think trading Murray will have much to do with Roseman, it’s probably up to Murrays agent to find a trade partner and up to Murray if he wants to renegotiate his contract for a team willing to trade for him..
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I’d be so hype if Roseman manages to get a team like the Texans or Niners to trade for Sanchez…7th round pick In return would be great
Lots of people reporting this…paving way for Maxwell trade?
David Dwork@DavidDwork 4m4 minutes ago
Sun-Sentinel reporting that the #Dolphins will cut Brent Grimes after failed restructuring attempt. He’s gonna ball somewhere else…
Ian RapoportVerified account
@RapSheet
As soon as they acquire his replacement RT @OmarKelly: Miami #Dolphins expected to release Pro Bowl CB Brent Grimes
Well there you go.
So have the trade talks stalled, or is it because the trade cannot be executed until Wednesday at 4pm?
Trade can’t happen until then. Anyone released by a team, or anyone currently on our team (like Carroll), we can do a deal with, but trades and signing of players from other teams can’t happen until the first day of the league year, Wednesday.
I just remember the McCoy deal being leaked very early.
Just listened to peytons press conference. It was pretty good and pretty emotional as expected. Nice to hear him give a shout out to Dawkins, and jim johnson as well as other great safeties, mlbs and defensive cooridinators
Well now I have to listen to this.
Kind of wish his retirement happened last week instead of Hijacking the beginning of free agency week, but I guess he earned it, and I appreciate him not being a drama queen bitch about it like Favre did…
My only hope is that Rapoport got his names mixed up and it’s Murray and not Maxwell.
If Maxwell gets dealt, we may be looking at a FA corner and safety. Could the eagles afford an Iloka, Abdul-Quddus, or McLeod AND a Janoris Jenkins, Sean Smith type?
Nah Nolan Carrol, plus Rowe, Shephard, i’d be more than fine with that. Maybe thurmond can stay as a CB/S.
I really think Rowe is going to be a stud. Just need to figure out the other CB position.
Think so too… Most promising young corner we had on the outside since we drafted Lito and Sheldon, which is INSANE to have gone so damn long without drafting a capable corner… It’s probably been even longer since we were able to hit on a Safety in the draft…. There is a lot I really like about Roseman being back in charge, but I have Absolutely ZERO FAITH in his ability to draft DBs, hopefully he just leaves DB evaluatipns alone and delegate that responsibility to Svhwartz and Undlin…
Nolan is returning from injury, along with Shepherd but we have no idea what we have with Shepherd. Way too many question marks.
Basically!
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Lol @ chip trading Boykin because of JaCorey Shepard who ended up getting hurt like the day after the boykin trade… Lol that’s such typically Philly “Luck”..
I wonder if we will have any interest in Boykin.
Agreed, he just used JaCorey to justify it… I wondered about Boykin the other day, because I found it curious that the steelers didng extend him and are risking him on the open market.. Pretty foolish to give up a 5th round pick for a half a season rental, but thanks Tomlin
he said he wants to stay in pitt. i’d laugh we just undid all of 2015 FA
didn’t you see him running the stairs — he’s ready to go.
49ers, Chiefs Discussing De’Anthony Thomas Trade http://www.profootballrumors.com/san-francisco-49ers-deanthony-thomas-chiefs/ …
Lol, is he really gonna start his Niner tenure by trading for a Duck? I assume Jeff Maehl will be a Niner by Thursday
And trading for a duck that still has no real position in the NFL at that. Let the Niners have fun giving up assets for nothing.
I was going to say maybe we can get in on that but I don’t think they have anyone on their roster that I would want.
If you are referring to the Niners then yes I agree they are very bereft of talent. Their current FAs Boldin and Boone would be the only ones of interest for me. Staley as great as he is is already 31. Maybe Bowman I would have interest in, that’s it.
How about their uniquely named safety, Tartt?
Decent player and looks like he may have a bright future but even with all the dumb moves Chip has made, would he really give on a 2nd year safety? I don’t think so.
Potential Business with the Niners:
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1) if we value replacing Sanchez with a 5’9 bum in Chase Daniels because we value a backüp QB who can help transition to Pedersons scheme, then we can’t rule out chip valuing A guy like Sanchez who Knows both Chips scheme and chips unique practice styles.. Wishful thinking? Maybe… Can’t rule it out when we are talking about the mad scientist chip who blew up the basement at Novacare..
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2) DONT the Niners have a quality Fullback that chip will piss away one way or another?
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3) who is the Niners kicker and is he better than Sturgis?
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4) trade Taylor Hart for ANYTHING!
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5) WOULDNT be opposed to trading for Old man safety Antione Bathea if we want to use him as a bridge safety to play until we can hit on a safety in the draft if we strike out with Safeties we target in free Agency
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6) OT Anthony Davis is coming out of retirment, Id love to trade for him and see what he has left
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7) Niners need a WR, and Huff certainly isn’t untouchable depending what they are willing to give up..
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8) If it’s true that Chip DIDNT like Carlos Hyde, I would be down to trade him Ryan Mathews, especially if ZEKE is available at #13
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9) DONT the Nines have a ton of Draft picks? I don’t want to trade Barwin, and I don’t expect to trade Barwin, but if Chip is willing to blow us away with a 2nd rounder or something crazy, Id be interested.. But The ONLY way I’d be ok with Trading Barwin is if a team blows us away and makes us an offer we can’t refuse
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10) Torrey Smith? Apparently chip doesmt value throwing deep because it allegedly slows down his tempo…
Id give them taylor hart for just about anything… Don’t the niners have a really good Fullback that I assume chip will kick to the curb?
We should start a pool where everyone has to pick a date, and the person who picks the closest day to when we hear the first rumblings of Ballke/Chip relationship turning sour wins..
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Baalke probably thought that signing Chip would help salvage some of the niners key players, can’t wait to see how long it takes Baalk to find out Chip is too stubborn and has no patience for that … Curious to see how long it takes for chips true nature to come out and start demanding crazy ahit like getting rid of Carlos Hyde..
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I didn’t think we would Fire chip, and To this day I think that he does have the knowledge to become a good pro coach, but im glad I don’t have to hold my breath all offseason hoping that he finally puts his ego to the side and makes some drastic changes to his core philosophies, It’s a relief that I don’t have to sit and worry all offseason about if Chip is finally going to evolve, or his ego will force him to just double down on his fuck ups and do more damage to this franchise..
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Now I can be curious to see how the chip saga unfolds without having to worry about him further crippling us.. So I do appreciate Lurie pulling the plug oh something I didn’t think he had the balls to do so soon.. Im sure Roseman was in his ear egging LURIE on the entire time
Then we can trade them Taylor Hart
The dark times where some Eagles fans wanted Thomas with a high pick. Lol.
My desire for Dipn Jordan wasn’t much better
hahaha
“This game is a people business, a relationship business”-Peyton Manning….
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tell that to Chip and Howie
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welcome to the comment section.. enjoy
Judging by his only 3 comments he seems like a troll. Get on your troll security job pal.
TD, its my soft call out move… shhhh
Did Washington just cut all of their safeties?
Why don’t you tell us lol?
So yesterday we had 17.5M in space, and today we have 16.5M… anyone know the discrepancy?
Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane 4h4 hours ago
#Eagles adjusted salary cap number, per NFLPA: $145,064,592, which gives them $16,505,770 in space, which is 23d most in the league.
Wonder if it had anything to do with the tendering of Matt Tobin? That was the last known move I was aware of. He will make $1.67 million on a one-year deal, should he make the team.
It’s because of the global warming.
https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin/status/706885870381445120
Has the deal been completed is the question and we are just waiting until Wednesday to announce? Because it sounds like we are diminishing what little value he has.
See my next post.
Your next post has nothing to do with my question and is from 3 hours ago.
You were talking about how little value he had, and I was just posting that we get $4.5 million back, which is decent value back to our cap.
Wasn’t referring to his cap value:) I would love to dump him, Murray, etc. But just wondering why eagles execs would want to drive down what little trade value he has. if you can get a 4/5th instead of a 7th, give it a shot.
IMO, I think this is long-term cap flexibility. $4.5 back this year and completely rid of his contract. There’s a lot of ifs, but if Rowe turns out to be a stud (I think he can), move that other contract. If you feel comfortable with the others, use that $4.5 either on a G, T, or S and get a starter – or just roll it over to the following year. Most likely, Fletch will just pocket it in his contract.
What does that mean?
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They knew last year After we got him that he wouldn’t fit? Or that this new Schwartz regime knew right away that he won’t fit moving forward?
Not sure, trolling twitter right now.
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/706885198839939072
Dude; that tweet is from three hours ago! 😉
🙁 I’ve been so busy these last couple of months, I’m always behind on my twitter.
No shame in being busy. Same here mate.
“Reports”…
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Mario Williams says he will sign immediately if offered 10mil per year. Think he was visiting the Giants today
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Jahri Evans is visiting the Bills
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Sean Smith is looking for 8-10mil per year
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Cowboys have No interest in RG3 (I really hope that’s not true)
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Chris Long visiting the skins on Weds
how can players visit during this period or are they classified as different?
This is the “legal tampering period” where teams can talk and set contracts in place but cant sign officially.
but I thought he rule was — no face to face allowed until the 9th…
That is correct but its the agents that are doing most of the face to face talks right now. Player in direct contact with the agent. Too many ways to get around it.
Think there is a difference between guys that were waived like Mario/Jahri, and guys who’s contract expire and become FA like Sean smith
Jahri and Mario Williams were waived, think they can visit whoever they want akready..
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Where as an expiring contract free agent like Sean smith had to make an appoint,ent to visit the skins on Wednesday
that makes sense…thanks.
Ryan Matthews trade bait too! Not sure why.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/706929170253746177
aww damn, howie going full deconstruction mode. I guess you got a deal or you didn’t.
I been talking about trading Mathews for days, makes perfect sense, but I would prefer reaching an agreement with a team now, but wait Til the draft to activate the trade, allowing us to make sure we can draft ZEKE who will be the Rocket Fuel to this franchise for years to come. having this agreement in place also allows us to spend most of our Cap space in FA and the money we free up trading him in the draft can be used to sign most of our picks
ZEKE!!! get him please!!
ROCKET FUEL!!!!
Lol jynx you owe me a soda.
I would much rather deal Demarco (as we all would). I do not see the point in dealing Ryan before the draft. If we got someone like Zeke, I would understand afterwards. But his salary isn’t really the problem. We only save 1M by trading him. You are paying an uncertain rookie almost the same thing. I guess if we got decent value, I could be on board. Plus he just wasn’t the same after the concussion last year.
Eagkes reportedly asked Maxwell to restructure his contract but werent able to reach an agreement.l
his 8.5 is fully guaranteed this year. He has no impetus to restructure. I am baffled that we haven’t tried to restructure Peters or Sproles (more of a pay-cut restructure). My guess is we did, but they just said NO.
He is gone and kIko going with him
an Rapoport @RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago
#Eagles have made it known that it’s not just DeMarco Murray who is available, but also Ryan Mathews, as well, for the right price.
Byron Mawxwell and Kiko are GONE TO MIAMI!!! WOW!!!!
Directly from Shefter’s mouth just now. “Almost finalized, the Eagles will be trading Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonso, and draft compensation to the Miami Dolphins for draft compensation”
Can’t say I saw that one coming.
Holy smokes. Howie doing Howie things.
If Howie is doing it, we should be getting good value in return, unlike Chip.
BYRON MAXWELL AND KIKO to Miami Trade is being Finalized… WOW!!!
I’m guess I’m playing LB this year. Buy my jersey now…
Danny Travathan! Danny Travathan! Danny Travathan!!!
I would take him in a heartbeat. Maybe more money for Sean Smith/Janoris Jenkins and Iloka?
Or Whitehead who will be cheaper.
It sure does open the door for him, that’s for sure.
Travathan is unlikely, dude is getting PAID, but I still have a day or two to dream
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Tahir already tweeted out “…and the games begin” and got like a hundred Eagke tweets in an hour lol
Can’t say I mind it…. Really need to see compensation! I know these guys are upgradeable, but we just created two more additional holes.
I would rather hold on to Kiko. He is cheap, wanted to see what he looked like another year removed from injury before we gave up on him,, but whatever
GTFO
Damn, not Kiko! Howie getting back on my s-list. But I gotta think there’s some input from Schwartz here. And we had 1 to many LBs…or so i thought.
No worries, a tackling dummy can be set on the field during playing time and do a better job then Kiko did last year. At least the dummy wont be out of position every single play.
but will he be wearing a belly shirt?
We can only hope.
Im surprised by Kiko, it costs so little to just hold him for a year and see what he really is..
yeah but Jimmy saw him before the injury so if he’s saying no, ok. If it’s a howie vindictive move….
2nd rounder here we come lol?
I think we included one of our picks as well. I saw Kiko, Max and compensation for compensation
maybe we should hold on celebrating — last time “compensation” was mentioned we were hood winked for a 2nd rounder…
The eagles have generally been on the better end of trade valuations, outside of the Bradford trade.
Yeah it’s coming, the only question is the pick we have to send in return.. I assume we are swapping a 3rd for their 2nd in the dolphin traded, but im hoping we are swapping our 5th for their 2nd instead
Wowie-Howie
Howie is pulling a Hextall this offseason.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Dictator Howie is playing no games this offseason. For the most part if you have some of Chip’s stench on you, you will be gone. Roseman better recoup that 2nd round pick and more. Cant say I think Maxwell makes sense but the organization must just know Kiko is done as a player.
Apparently, the new scheme emphasizes the ability to tackle.
chip’s stench got Bradford some dough.$
Bradford’s agent either has the easiest or hardest job in the world.
hardest
Chip’s stench got a lot people paid.
‘done as a player’ or they needed some actual worth to get the trade done…
Kiko is worth something?
maybe. Don’t know. Maybe he was a throw in…”like – did you get a free bowl a soup with that hat”
looks good on you though
wow!!! Thought this would be a quiet free agency year but SHOTS FIRED! it’s going Down!! HOWIE can’t control himself, fuck it, let’s go Full Blown Ellipt Shorr Parker Fanboy, Dream team 3.0 baby.
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Danny Travathan, bye bye Kiko
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Janoris jenkins? Sean Smith? Bye bye Maxwell..
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ILLOKA! ILLOKA! ILLOKA!
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Sigń all 6 of the top Free agent Guards while we are at it… Sigń them All!,
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yeah – because that worked out so well the last time they signed all the top FA’s…
We only have 21.8M with Maxwell and Kiko off the books. Think we should see more.
SIGŃ THEM ALL!!! DT 3.0 baby #Dynasty…. Rehabilitate Vince Young while we are at it!!!
It’s nice to have adults running the Eagles again.
Kiko Alonso gone. Ryan Matthews probably too. We could have kept Shady to start with, right Chip?! Just saying…
shady is done now. we should keep ryan
Screw that lowlife POS.
where you seeing Ryan M as a “probably too”?
Its been announced that he is available for he right price.
ah – everybody is…lol.
I didn’t realize that after Chip had his chance, he passed the Madden controller over to Howie.
Lol seemed like things would be quiet this year.. Roseman starts it off by giving out a bunch of new extensions, everyone feeling great, lol and Now Roseman is starting to drop BOMBS! Instantly Sanchez, Huff, Hart’s assholes puckered up.
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Lol I picture Roseman in his office, talkimg to GMs on his blue tooth while playing Duck Hunt from Nintendo on a 75 inch TV screen…
I can see him sitting there throwing darts at a dart board with Chips face on it.
I actually could see this too.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Dolphins are expected to acquire LB Kiko Alonso and CB Byron Maxwell from the Eagles.
Appearing on NFL Live, Schefter reported Miami would get Alonso, Maxwell, and “draft pick compensation” in exchange for “draft pick compensation” that would obviously be better for the Eagles. Schefter stated the deal is “expected to get done.” Alonso and Maxwell were both big-name players acquired last offseason by Chip Kelly. Both players flopped spectacularly in Philadelphia.
I’ll be hype if Roseman comes away with the Dolphins 2nd rounder, although I kind of expect us to swap a 3rd for their 2nd in this trade but if HOWIE got a 2nd by giving up one of our 5th’s allowing Us to keep both our 3rds, Id be so hype to have 1, 2, two 3’s, 4, 5…
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 10s10 seconds ago
Kiko Alonso & Byron Maxwell have both been informed they are being traded to the #Dolphins, pending physicals, source said. It’s happening
Damn, Howie’s saying “What sabbatical? I’m going to erase any evidenced that Chip ever had control!”
Bradford signing would disagree…
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So far, Roseman seems to be trying to fix the mistakes, regardless of if they were made by him or chip… Maxwell and Murray contracts, Ryan Mathews and the old expensive 3 headed RB, Kiko who wasn’t the same guy we saw from the bills(personally I would keep him for one more year but whatever)
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I appreciate Roseman ISNT just spitefully purging the roster of all chips guys, seems like he is being fair about trying to undo mistakes that were made.. He gave extensions to Jenkins, Lane, Bradford, chip playërs, so the hot take probably isn’t fair.. I appreciate that he did what was best for us retaining chips biggest aquisition Bradford
I’m not counting this one till physicals are done.
Early reports are tests on Kiko’s knee came back, “Jello.”
It’s more like peanut brittle.
Probably pass it
That doesn’t mean he is automatically back to his buffalo self, but he will probably pass his physical… Dudes been doing all types of athletic things so far in the offseason, looks like he doesn’t have a care in the world concerning his knee.. From surfing, to posting videos playing soccer with Ertz and his World Cup soccer champion Fiancé and a bunch of other NFL players
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DOESNT seem to behaving like a Guy who’s health/career is at risk
No details on what we’re getting back?
None so far sir.
Does this shed light on how they think about Bradford or about how they feel about this year’s draft class at QB?
If he’s purging everything Chip, they had that shot with Bradford, but kept him. Just a thought that they are going to give him a lot of rope to see if he hangs himself or meets the potential.
Think the retaining of Bradford has to do with the fact that both Howie and Doug feel they need to get a positive product on the field year 1. The draft does not look like it will allow them to get Goff/Wentz and Lynch is probably easier to get now (less likely someone trades in front) and he really benefits from a year even if you draft him there.
Not that Kiko didn’t have plenty of questions of his own, but is anyone else worried that we haven’t seen enough from Hicks yet to just assume he will be a stud. Don’t get me wrong, he was fantastic in the games he played, but we have had many examples of guys who played well, got fans excited early, and then disappeared quickly after that. Hicks was probably playing on a other level relatively speakong, so maybe the concern is much lower, but to me, it still exists. And given the injury history, maybe something the team has to/is considering.
I haven’t seen enough from Rowe either to tell me he is even a solid starter yet. He has a few decent games, sure. But I think everyone is a bit too early to annoint him. I need to see the compensation on this deal. We currently have huge holes at G and S, and we just created two more gaping holes at CB and OLB. Sure, Maxwell is over-priced and upgradeable but we just gave away two starters for possibly a small return or draft pick swap. We shall see.
Yea. The compensation is going to be critcal, but the fact it hasn’t been reported yet concerns me. How often have deals with significant draft compensation been left unreported when the players involved are known?
Think a big part of the compensation is getting the Maxwell contract out of here., im expecting a pick swap, not a haul of multiple draft picks unfortunately
What does Kiko have to do with Hicks? One was gonna play MIKE and the other pay SAM..
true. But the LB core as a unit now is lacking guys. Your point is well taken, but I just would have felt a little more comfortable with some added veteran leadership in that unit to help Hicks.
Personally I wanted to see what Kiko body looked like another year removed from his surgery, figuring he was cheap enough to keep and really finds out who he is before we traded him…. But Kiko was such a question mark that either way we had to invest in a serious backüp plan at Strong side LB.. If we have to make an investment in that LB spot because we don’t trust him, I won’t kill them for trading Kiko for some value… But I feel you.. Even with Kiko we Needed two credible backups because of Kiko and Hicks durability concerns, Goode is a solid backup for Kendricks.
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Trading Kiko and maybe Maxwell are the first Roseman moves I don’t love, but mostly due to the uncertainty of who will replace them… Adequately replace them and I’ll be fine with it, even if I probably would have held on to Kiko for one more year before quitting on him
I’d have liked to have hung on to Kiko too, especially given his salary, but he might’ve been a key part of the deal. I’m not sure about this rumor of moving up in the 1st, but I do hope we’re going back to collecting draft picks. That’s how you build a team for real.
If we can sign Carrol or Thurmond to replace Maxwell, all well and good. A part of me wants to sign Boykin and finally give him a shot on the outside, but that’s probably just sentimentality. But if we can pick up one decent established corner who won’t rock the boat and draft an LB on day 1, I think we should be just fine.
Yeah I’m fine with it. Even if it’s not my preference.. If anything. At least things just got interesting
The one thing I always enjoyed with CK was the offseason. At least we managed to keep the good parts.
https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/706938356576481280
Radio guys are saying there’s a possibility the Eagles move up to #8.
Ronnie Stanley?
No way he gets past the Ravens.
Saw a lot of that on Twitter. Trading two starters to move up 5 spots though seems a bit steep. I know Maxwell’s contract was ridiculous but it looks like they are restructuring.
Yeah. If that’s the case, even if we gave up nothing else, I’d say we fleeced them to move up 5 spots.
Dolphins Message Board is having a melt-down right now lol!
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?88620-Miami-is-looking-to-trade-for-Byron-Maxwell
I don’t know how to feel about this right now. It happened so suddenly..I thought the fire sale would be in San Francisco!!!!!
Not sure chip has the clout to start a San Fran fire sale yet. Does Baalke even have the job security at this point to have a fire sale? You would think selling chip kelly hire to the Eagles had to include chip being the perfect Guy to save kapernick.. It’s not like Baalke can get Rid of a bunch of 3-4 defenders he drafted and excuse it by a transition to a 4-3…
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Very curious about the San Francisco powder keg… Who the hell knows what type of mess can be created with Chip, York and Baalke under the same roof
From the Dolphins Message Board…….ROTFLMAO!
I would love to see how the negotiations went down for this trade:
Roseman – It looks like you guys need a corner.
Tannenbaum – Corner, you say. Sir, I am looking for a flashy name. Ideally, he would happen to play corner.
Roseman – Well, Michael, you are in luck because we signed a huge name last year in Byron Maxwell. It was a flashy move. Now, sadly, he didn’t pan out very well at all. I imagine you have never gone down the road of a big name free agent not panning out, but sadly it does happen.
Tannenbaum – I have no idea what you are talking about. Big name free agents always work. Just look at the Packers and how they build through free agency. I am stuck with these stupid draft picks. The draft is long and boring. I just need flash.
Roseman – Mike, I like you. I’ll tell you what. I will take some of those draft picks, and I will give you Maxwell and his shiny contract full of commas.
Tannenbaum – I could not imagine this day getting any better.
Roseman – Michael, this may be your lucky day. I see you also are in need of linebackers.
Tannenbaum – Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that last season.
Roseman – Can you think of a name more hot than Kiko Alonso three years ago?
Tannenbaum – Not at all. What ever happened to him?
Roseman – Oh you know, he had a couple of minor ACL tears – nothing serious. I don’t want to brag, but he had 30 whole tackles last year. You know, if you give me some more of those draft picks/lottery tickets, I will throw him in too.
Tannenbaum – Pshhhhyeah. This is a no brainer.
Ross – You’re not lighting my money on fire again, Mike?
Tannenbaum – Oh Stephen, is such a jokester.
Roseman – I hear you might be losing your running back too. If Llamar leaves, come back on Wednesday. I have a running back with a big ole flashy contract that you will love.
So two good defensive coaches decided to give up on Kiko. Do we go with that or cling onto his one good season?
Doesn’t matter. Not our problem anymore
Trade can’t be official until Wednesday and Kiko has to pass his physical. Just wait everybody lol
It’ll be ours if he doesn’t pass the physical .
ugh
I’m just the messenger.
https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/706943637255528448
Ugggh, i give up. I read that at first as “4 draft picks” not “for draft picks” – I’ll go hang my head in shame.
I’ll go hang my head in shame.
Pics or it didn’t happen!!!
I read the same thing. I am guessing they are low if no swap is involved:/
Should get mid round pick or 2.
I really hope we are getting a second rounder out of this, trading one of those thirds is a big no-no. If they must pick swap hopefully its a 4/5th.
i’m not going to say anything, thinking about how wrong i was on that bradford deal.
Think we will either swap a 3rd or a 5th to get Miami’s 2nd round pick
So we still thinking that Eagles going to hire a seperate personnel manager? Seems like howie has carte blanche with the roster.
I figured this and was fine with it, I just have a problem with them not being honest about it.
Guys
the Eagles will be lucky to get a 5th rounder for Maxwell’s contract and damaged goods [Alonso]. It’s funny how the own fans always seem to overvalue soon-to-be former Eagles. 😉
Why make the trade then? They already have a lot of cap room, that would be extremely disappointing to only acquire a 5th. I think you get a higher pick because you are paying Alonso peanuts.
Maxwell = bad contract
They still have to pay some of his contract, and Dolphins are getting starters.
crappy ones
Correction: “crappy in Philly”
maxwell has been crappy everywhere. he looked aight next to three pro bowlers. alonso. . . well you got me he looked crappy here and that accounts for close to 50% of his pro career.
Gaining ~$5mm in cap space is pretty valuable.
With that said, I do expect to get a better pick than just #5 in terms of overall value
The Dolphins are already renegotiating Maxwell’s contract, so it’s not as big an impediment as you’re making it out to be.
They save $4.9 million in cap by trading him. I’d rather keep him at his $9.7 million cap his this year and cut him the following year than get a 5th round pick and weaken the CB position
i get out of a meeting to find sheer insanity. this NEVER happens when i’m actually sitting at the computer. the foles bradford trade happened 5 minutes after i left work for the day. the mcnabb to skins trade i was out at dinner.
Cooper and Maxwell were two of the more unlikeable guys on this team, glad they’re gone.
Alonso seemed like a nice guy, but also a knucklehead.
Never heard that about Maxwell, TBH.
I mean, the first thing he said after Philly signed him was “I went where they offered me the most money”.
I don’t need the dog and pony show, but one should generally be more aware and more thoughtful in dealing with the world.
Just to be clear, you mean “unlikeable to fans” versus “unlikeable in general, including to teammates”, right? I guess I can see that comment making you think that. But I’ve never heard of him having problems with teammates or acting like a jerk. Which to me is more important.
Yes, as in “Do I want to root for this guy?”.
I don’t think he was a bad teammate. Just not a guy I particularly enjoyed watching play football, or being on the team.
MKSP . . .
Thank god you’re here today.
I love this stuff!
https://twitter.com/MattLombardo975/status/706947826455072768
Who would trade for DeMarco and his contract after the terrible season he just had?
Some team that needs to spend money
shots in the dark. I wouldn’t be suprised either doesn’t mean it’s more or less likely
I don’t like this move at all. This move weakens the Eagles at CB and gives them less depth at LB. Seeing what Alonso to see what he could do after a 1 year in recovery from his ACL was worth keeping him for the remainder of his rookie contract. Maxwell may not be the shut down CB he’s paid to be but he’s still decent. This gives the Eagles $5 million in dead cap and there really aren’t many good CBs on the market.
I’m afraid to go online because I have a feeling it’s going to be for a 7th rounder.
Roob trying to give us hope.
https://twitter.com/RoobCSN/status/706948185244241921
That brought a smile to my face. Yes, I do remember that trade.
Frank’s comment is ridiculous.
Remember when the Eagles traded a 1st Round pick to the Bengals for a QB selected a month earlier in the 4th Round?
Does that mean the Eagles are still inept — which is what Frank’s implying about the Dolphins — because a former GM had no idea how to run a football team?
I’m just the messenger, I think we all want what’s best for the Eagles – so hope that we get a deal like that again.
T-O-AG:
Gaining a great pick when Roseman’s essentially paying Miami to clear cap space would be great.
My remark’s directed at the intellectually lazy Frank.
Ahhh, okay. 🙂
Does that mean we have to pay back our debt to them, and will a 7th in 2017?
We also got a 2nd round pick for Kolb and a 2nd round pick for a 34-year old McNabb.
The Dolphins ARENT exactly a well run team,.
I just realized that by trading Maxwell, we paid him $13.5M for one year. Wow!
And we traded Shady for 1 year of suckass Kiko.
Compensation was never Chip’s strong suit.
SMH…Growth Mindset my ass!
bleacher report is saying it is, in fact four (4) picks that we are receiving
WOWWWWWWOOOOOOHHHHHHOAOAAAAAAA!
If one of those is a 2nd then we destroyed them, which means it’s not
link Eskin said 4 meaning “for”
i hate him. WHY would you type something that’s so insanely misreadable? lazy prick
He is like 65 years old we should expect electronic retardation
well who told him to type like Tupac “Eagles 2 trade 4 pix”
4 picks means that they’re shitty picks.
2018 3rd rounder
Equals to a 5th rounder in a 2016-draft — made most clear if Roseman tries to use it to move up this April.
Ian Rapoport @RapShect
#Eagles-#Texans now trying to finalize trade that will send DeMarco Murray to Houston for draft-pick compensation, per source.
“rapshect” look for a check next to reporters names, people.
FAKE
what a glorious day
Fake accnt
C’mon guys. Look for the check mark.
It’s not that hard, see if the Account is verified man
Chill out. I’ve been posting all day from the real so obviously this was a mistake.
I’m chill lol I’m not mad at you, just letting you know
So even the fake account was right. You’re welcome! Carry on!
I would LOVE for this to happen. But it won’t
So we cut Desean for nothing, Traded Shady for 1 terrible year of Kiko Alonso, and cut Evan Mathis for no compensation.
Chip Kelly superstar GM.
I still have no problem with the Lesean trade, saved $8M and Lesean underperformed, granted Murray did too but hey
The point is we could have gotten better return than 1 year of Kiko for Shady, his value was still high when he was dealt.
Frankly we don’t know how high his value was, we can not just Assume there were better offers on the table for him that we turned down
Really? I doubt there were offers on the table because no one thought we would deal him.
If I recall correctly, it was rumored that Kelly didn’t talk to other teams really and just dealt McCoy to the Bills without really shopping him around.
I had no problem with trading McCoy and liked the trade. Just was no longer term coherent thought process around it.
any of it
Exactly. Remember all the reports that were coming from the Bills camp after the trade about how shocked they were at how quickly the trade went down. They said it took all of 20 minutes. Kelly called them up and asked if they’d trade some player (i forget who) for LeSean, they got off the phone discussed it for all of 5 min and decided let’s call them back and see if they’ll take the injured guy, told Kelly you can have Kiko, and he said ok sounds good. That was it. Deal done.
Honesty I’m fine with cleaning out a bit, maybe you like Elliot and try and go for him after dumping some salary, maybe you like corner idk, but I want to see what we get
Just speculation and nothing confirmed but interesting:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/3/7/11174950/demarco-murray-trade-rumors-nfl-team-interested-eagles-running-back-philadelphia
My guess is that they’re planning on going into next season with Carroll and Rowe as starters and then pay big money to a free agent S. Big money to an older safety with injury issues…..
Sounds like they’re going to give Eric Weddle a 3 year deal worth $27 million.
Illoka would be nice
Eliot Shorr-Parks
@EliotShorrParks
55s55 seconds ago
#Eagles have expressed interest in OLB Tahir Whitehead, per a source. Could be Kiko’s replacement. http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/03/tahir_whitehead_could_be_fit_for_eagles.html …
Adam Caplan tweeted he’s heard same thing.
saw them mentioning him even before the Kiko trade… would be a great pickup..
Whitehead or Bradham was guys i thought would be possible signings.. Kiko gone now makes even more sense
Tahir is a Sam (and MIKE). I could maybe see both if Bradham can’t find starting spot.. We need depth.
So the Eagles are trying to very actively trade Maxwell, Murray, and Alonso? I can’t disagree that trading any of these 3 isn’t a bad move in isolation but I also wonder how much of this is motivated by Roseman trying to wipe away what Kelly did too.
he kept bradford so i trust him to not just be throwing out the baby with the bath water
Chip really should have let Howie manage personnel for a couple years and see where they could have gone together.
Men and their egos. The “sports as war” analogy is apt in more ways than one.
I give’ll Roseman plenty of time (2 if not even 3 years) to see if he can make things work here but he strikes me as a vengeful, spiteful, and petty guy to work with and for him.
When he has spoken with the media since Kelly was fired, he can’t help but take repeated digs at Kelly each time. I do wonder how that is going to effect front office personnel and scouts willingness to come work for this team.
Howie understands the long term nature of this game, and he understands the value of locking up and rewarding your own guys.
Chip came in with a flamethrower so he could do things his way and the result was Dream Team II.
I was 100% onboard with Chip, but I’m happy that Howie is back in control. I think Chip can be a good coach, but he’s rash and impatient, and needs somebody to tell him NO.
I wasn’t really talking about player personnel. I was talking more about the FO and administrative personnel side of things.
Like youve never trash talked an ex..
Repeatedly in public? No.
Other front office guys haven’t spoken kindly either of Roseman and I’ve learned that when you have multiple different people say that after working with a guy there is probably some degree of truth to it.
the ole unknown front office guys.. ive read those reports too.. win some lose some… guess miami FO likes him haha
To make a deal with, sure. To work for everyday, completely different story.
Great point.
Kelly’s hubris infected every aspect of how he ran the Eagles.
We won’t have to wait 10 years to see the fate of this modern day Odysseus.
Classic.
well done
Thanks, you gave me a nice word to work with on this one.
Demarco, degone yay
Source?
Sportcenter just tweeted it
(It’s fake)
Sorry, no source, just wishful thinking out loud.
You got got
Jason La CanforaVerified account
@JasonLaCanfora
Dolphins will be taking on the full Byron Maxwell contract in 2016, I’m told, and also getting Kiko Alonso in the trade for a pick…
I wish we knew the compensation already
Just checked Miami Herald. Nothing about compensation yet.
Well at least it be another very interesting offseason.
There is a moderator now?!
You may have caught a self-deletion in the act.
There is no moderator.
Are you sure, I got a moderator message responding to a fake Spotts Center trade post?
I think it is because he deleted the comment and we had not refreshed the page.
Yep, same thing. That is correct.
OK, thx
No team is trading for DeMarco Murray while CJ Anderson, Doug Martin, and Lamar Miller are free agents.
I really don’t get why any team would trade for Murray
Not necessarily true. The Jags and Raiders wanted DeMarco last year. He choose us for less money. If Anderson, Martin or Miller don’t want to play for the Raiders, DeMarco is an option.
Apparently not…
Lots of Eagles’ jerseys will be deep discount again. They should give back 50% refunds towards purchase of a new jersey to anyone who bought a Murray, Maxwell, or Alonso jersey from the Eagles’ Pro Shop.
Yep bought 2 Alonso jerseys
In light of Manning retiring this week, the Onion ran a bunch of related stories. This one was my favorite:
Aging Peyton Manning Now Forced To Take Field With Assistance Dog (Nov. 2015)
http://www.theonion.com/article/aging-peyton-manning-now-forced-take-field-assista-51858
Takin’ care of business.
Ugh!!
??
Taking too long for these details to come out
Interesting if this is true.
https://twitter.com/Dan_Hatman/status/706932850424086528
not surprised at all, having heard him talk. I’m ok with moving him — i trust schwartz there since he coached him. but does this mean we move kendricks too?
Rex shipped him out too.
Anyone that has heard him speak noticed that.
mean but true
There’s another coach we could add to the list of knowledge of Kiko’s mental limits.
The quote I remember him saying is this about Alonso: “Kiko see ball, Kiko get ball.”
Can you “name that coach?”
Slow adult
Schwartz struggles with mental processing too?
yikes
Taking a step back for a moment . . .
The players getting shipped out now — or on the loading dock — made a lot of folks in these part pretty excited 12 months ago.
Here’s what was being said a year ago about Maxwell and Alonso.
http://igglesblitz.com/2015/03/page/8/
Will be interesting to see what the prevailing view is 12 months from now about the roster moves.
I was pretty happy about both
Live in teh moments of hot taeks!
Smack!
I liked Kiko, but can trust schwartz if it was a coach-centered decision.
Maxwell was in the wrong cover scheme. Kiko traded because we probably had to move him to get Maxwell traded and they probably have a SAM in mind (Tahir cough cough).
Having both Kiko and Kendricks as OLB always seemed like an odd misfit. We essentially had two WLB and no SLB. I know he could look a lot better with an offseason to recover, but the thought of Kiko having to fight through the strong side to play the run was not something I was looking forward to.
i was pretty excited but i also remember some people being unimpressed
I still like Bradford, and I’d like to see Murray in a different situation.
No viable starting CB on roster… go sign a starting CB. Made sense at the time.
Trade away a RB who was the cause of too many negative plays for a young LB who posted ROY numbers… also sounded pretty good.
Just because it’s wearing sequins doesn’t mean you want to see what’s underneath.
Just because it’s wearing sequins doesn’t mean you want to see what’s underneath.
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Yours? Or borrowed?
Pretty sharp.
Just off the top of my head.
Mac . . .
That’s a fantastic turn of phrase.
Goes in my jury-argument box. THX.
You’re most welcome!
If it is just one pick I’m gonna assume it’s a 3rd
5th if we’re lucky is my take.
Think you’re right.
With a 6th going to Miami?
If they are taking on the entire Max contract then they did us a favor
Hinkie-esque salary dump
Yeah. I’d go further and say Hextall dump, since at least that team is still competing. 🙂
BTW – Of the defensemen not named Gostisbehere – how many of those guys will have a new team next year?
Provorov is ready I believe. Sanheim and Morin are supposedly close. Do two of the three make it up next year?
Looking very much forward to Flyers 2017.
Streit? Gone.
Schultz? Gone.
Who’s left standing in the way of IP, SM, RH?
And Ghost? Most exciting home-grown Flyer in team history (’66-present).
I’ll have to disagree. Hexy was home grown and when he was pummeling his way through the league as a young buck I found it to be quite exhilarating.
MM:
Good debate choice!
Hexy, for a couple early years, was dynamite.
I think Howie is good in that round, so that would be okay.
In 2016?
Didn’t they already say that we are also sending a pick to Miami in return?
I haven’t heard this, I’m not sure
The report I saw said both teams are including draft pick
That is correct. The trade is Maxwell, Alonso, and draft pick compensation to Miami and in turn the Eagles receive only draft compensation. It is being thrown around and slightly rumored that the #8 overall pick may be in play for the Eagles in all this.
And Dion Jordan, too?
Why of course, can’t have an Eagles/Dolphins trade with no Dion
KC playërs are in Vogue now..
I’ll take Jordan if they throw in a mansion on South Beach that all of us Eagles fans can use. Also remember AC #DuckBias has become #ChiefsBias now. So lets link every player from KC to the Birds.
TD!!!
We’re on the same page!
Roseman’s on his way to Coconut Grove, as we write.
Then it isn’t correct. That sounds like speculation.There has not been a credible report I’ve heard. That could be same as 3rd round pick at least 13 to 8. I’m skeptical.
Where did I say that the #8 pick is the for sure compensation? I didn’t, I said it is being thrown around and speculated that is all. Also just because one person doesn’t read the same as another doesn’t make it untrue friend.
Generally reliable sources are best. You responded correct to claim there is a report.There is no credible report from Schefter or beat reporters in either city I know of. Please provide link to reliable source. Genuinely if you have a good source post it. But wip caller is not reliable.
I dunno about the #8 pick.. We can’t rule out the first round swap because the Dolphins are one of the dumber franchises capable of something stupid like that… But Im thinking we try to get a 2nd round pick, for our 3rd or 5th round pick since I think we have two of each… I would consider that a Great Win of a deal for Howie in terms of value, even if I would have rather held on to Kiko for a year… But it could be less..
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Miami doesnt have many picks so I would think it will only be a pick for pick swap, not us adding extra picks, which is what the original Shefter report said..
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The cap dump is part of our compensation, but not as much as people think, because last year was the expensive part and allegedly they are going to restructure his deal anyway..so while dumping the contract is part of the compensation, and we didn’t NEED them to take Kiko’s cheap contract, I still think we end up coming away with some decent compensation… HOWIE does get the Value right typically. He doesn’t just dump guys just to dump them..
I agree. I’ll be very surprised if Miami parts with the 8th overall selection. These aren’t superstar players we’re talking about. I think the most likely scenario is we trade either our 5th or 3rd for their second, like you said.
I’m driving home now, will be back in 40 minutes. You guys better have an answer to the trade compensation by the time I get back.
Don’t hold your breath. Take your time.
Seems like a salary dump.
The Eagles wouldn’t be choosers in this scenario.
#8 and right of time travel return of Keith Byars and Keith Jackson.
So if it is true and we swap our first round picks I would be ecstatic.
Yep!
Just like last year when the Eagles traded Foles to the Rams for Bradford and the Ram’s 1st Rd pick!!!
According to sources that reside in my plums we are swapping all of our draft picks per round. Miami is also getting a Gino’s in their stadium tho, really was the linchpin of this trade.
yeah, part of the reason why i’m not exactly jumping for joy yet. I’m waiting for Kiko to pass the physical and for the trade to be official on Wednesday
we were all taken for a ride that day
Kiko passing the physical is a legitimate worry.
If we swap our firsts then Miami got destroyed in this trade
Maybe not.
Using the trade chart, to get from 13th to 8th would cost the Eagles (roughly) a late-2nd or very early 3rd.
Throw in the Eagles 3rd Rd pick and it might be enough.
Totally legit and not at all tweeted by a guy with 30 followers: 13/Maxwell/Alonso for 8 + 108
GR:
You think a swap of 1sts is possible *without* the Eagles including any draft picks?
Not really. One potential factor is by dropping out of the top 10 picks the 5th year option for said player is less. I forget the specifics but the formula used is different for the top 10 draft picks.
we’d move to 8? Who do you think they are trying to get — has to be a QB right?
If not Goff or Wentz then definitely Ramsey or Stanley.
Honestly, I think this is fantasy land we’re talking about. I don’t see the actual deal being so favorable for the Eagles. At 8, you figure that Tunsil, at least 1 of the QBs and Ramsey will definitely be off the board. So you’re looking at Stanley, Jack, Bosa, the other QB, and then probably Lawson and the CBs. Stanley would be the most likely target IMO and getting ahead of TB, the Giants, and Chicago would be useful.
Cannot repeat that enough.
Depends on what Miami thinks of Alonso. We’re all assuming he’s worth nothing in the trade. If Miami sees rookie year Alonso when they look at him, then they’re seeing a guy who most people (just one year ago) thought was plenty adequate trade compensation for one of the best RBs in the league.
Doubt it.Unless we give up more.
Yeah our 3rd would have to be gone
no way Howie would lose a third too.
Unrelated but am I the only Oregon fan here, did the rest leave?
like a slow leak
Were you an Eagles fan before Chip got here or you just followed him to Philly? That is what most of the others did and now they’re all mostly gone with him.
I was already an Eagles fan who coincidentally was also an Oregon fan, but I miss my Oregon brothers
That’s understandable friend.
I applaud you staying.
This one guy who keeps posting about Chip Kelly on here.. Think he could be counted as an Oregon fan
I hope they come back!
Ducks are migratory by nature.
Have they taken the coco(nut) with them, or has the coco(nut) taken them with him?
Winner. Nice job.
JLC mentioned we were interested in WR Darrius Heyward-Bey before he re-signed with PIT. Mentioned somewhere, either here or on twitter, that I thought WRs in his price range were what we could afford. He’s been a bust based on where he was drafted but he’s turned into a good depth WR/STs guy.
straight-line speed
If we want some straight line speed, wonder what the Niners would want for Torry Smith? Ray Didinger claims that talking to Chip, he wasn’t a fan of throwing deep because it slows down his tempo… Lol I really hope chip isn’t that obssessed with Tempo, but if so, I’d gladly do a Josh Huff and the pick we get from the steelers for Torrey Smith ;), which allows us to leave Jordan in the slot
I honestly thought that was one of the reasons he got rid of DeSean. Dammit, DeSean, stop catching 50-yard bombs! I can’t run a play within 20 seconds!
Lol you can’t put it passed chip to be that insane about his tempo… When you are willing to defend it to the point that you say Time of possession DOESNT matter, I can’t put anything past him in the name of his beloved tempo
the more you learn about him the more it makes you scratch your head.
We were all fooled. The emporer had no clothes the entire time.
Honestly, what have we seen from Chip over the past three years that would convince us that he is NOT that obsessed with tempo?
Sounds perfectly accurate to me.
with straight up drops
What other WRs available in his price Range? Id gladly take a guy like him instead of a miles Austin type mentor I was expecting like Greg Jennings..
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how has nobody broken the details? daddy needs his fix
Don’t you love The trades where we only hear about what we are losing?
during the Chip year that’s all we did
This trade is an example of “addition by subtraction.”
sounds like — it’s a sack of potatoes…which is why it’s not news worthy…
Justice done — but the scum that ruined her should be suffering this very day.
The jurors took photos with Andrews after the amount was announced, and she signed autographs, according to reports from inside the courtroom.– is that ok?
She was dressed in the photos, right?
$55M is not justice…it’s a jury that was played by emotions of a crying woman. I definitely think she was wronged, but $55M is ridiculous.
no one is paying that amount, probably just bankrupting both Ds. Hope that PE hotel owner had insurance
My question for Erin, is do you keep working, or no?
Marriott International has the money.
Revenue US$ 12.784 billion (2013)
Net Income US$ 626 million (2013)
The jury found Barrett to be 51 percent at fault and required him to pay
out more than $28 million. West End Hotel Partners, which owns and
operates that Nashville Marriott at Vanderbilt University, was found to
be 49 percent at fault and asked to pay out more than $26 million.
A:
Per Tennessee Sup Ct (in 1996 case):
Notwithstanding the adoption of comparative fault principles, joint and several liability continues to be integral to the law of negligence.
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So Marriott’s appears to be on the hook for the full $55, if Barrett doesn’t pay.
Marriott or the management company (West End)?
I think Marriott is off the hook in the settlement. I work with hotels (sell them TVs/content) and they are insane about not sharing any guest information and have explicit company policies against the sharing of that information.
I didn’t follow the case so I don’t know if they deserve it, but this will likely bankrupt West End Hotel Partners.
why do you think they were played?
I know of women who were raped and suffered horrendous mental anguish compared to Ms. Andrews. Unfortunately, they were not celebrities who could afford celebrity attorneys and a public trial.
I do feel sorry for her, but holy shit, troops coming back from war with PTSD should be awarded billions compared to her.
She got paid
No amount of money’s worth what happened to her.
Hence, the Godfather reference.
yeah it was bad and waiting 10yrs for justice no picnic either
God forbid if she was actually physically sexually assaulted or raped, what would the jury have awarded her $500M.
dude you need help. she was publicly violated and humiliated. who are you to say she got too much? you feel badly for the pervs or something?
I as said below, talk to an actual rape victim who gets nothing and tell me Ms. Andrews deserves $55M. I will answer no more replies to this thread as I do feel sorry for her, but feel she is being rewarded financially for being a celebrity.
If the rape were video-taped and played thousands of times on Youtube? (assuming that could happen)
And if the victim’s employer insisted the entire event was just a stunt?
And the rapist was a stalker?
And the hotel where it happened could easily have prevented it?
Then . . . you’re right, the rape victim get’s more.
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What price privacy — the right not to have your nude body exploited — in the internet world?
You are not seriously comparing being videotaped nude and having people watch it online to being beaten and raped are you?
In terms of how damages are measured in a court of law . . .
They can be very different.
Damages seem to be measured in the depth of the guilty party’s pockets.
You’re right. That’s probably part of it . . .
Even though juries are usually not shown that information. And told not to consider it if they are.
But it’s human nature.
Great point.
I didn’t follow the trial closely and I’m not sure if the jury was informed that the defense attorney and his lunch crew watched the video and judged her body after her emotional testimony. Regardless, those actions by the defense attorney seem to be the basis of her emotional distress magnified 1000. A sad case nonetheless.
Dave:
Nothing is worse than rape. (Not even death, because there’s not continuing emotion trauma.)
And I’m not arguing the “gut” value for a rape victim versus an Erin Andrews’ invasion of privacy victim.
Lawyers for rape victims ask to 10s of millions of dollars in damages . . . because NO amount will ever compensate them.
Andrews’ lawyers asked for 10s of millions of dollars.
The jury sorted through the facts, applied the legal instructions, and came up with a number.
That’s how trials work.
thousands = millions
Question: in some instances it has been shown that drones can have more rights than a land owner… are we on the verge of an age where “privacy” becomes a non-word or a word that only applies as a(n) historic reference?
I know you don’t have a specific answer, and I’ll out myself on the front end as being pro privacy. I’m just curious what you’re thoughts are.
There’s “privacy vs. the government”. That’s the kind governed by the Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments.
Then there’s “privacy vs. non-government persons” — the relationship between each other.
Our constitutional privacy has been evaporating at an increasing rate since Nixon became president and replaced 4 Supreme Court justices.
Privacy — which the 4th Amendment’s search warrant provisions is supposed to protect — has been the greatest victim in the government’s “War on Crime.” After 9-11, Congress accelerated the problem with the PATRIOT Act.
To your drones reference — technology’s the devil.
Don’t know if you remember the polls taken after 9/11, which asked people if they cared whether government collected their emails and phone calls.
A healthy majority of Americans answered, “if you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.”
With that kind of thinking, I’m not terribly optimistic about our privacy . . . or a lot of other principles that America’s suppose to represent.
Late round pick
for Max/Alonso?
Omar Kelly of one of the Miami players tweeted that the Eagles were getting a late round pick and linked to an article that only said draft picks and didn’t specify what round or range. FWIW, Miami fans think Kelly is awful.
Sucks.
*if true*
Reliable source and he contradicts himself. Says pick in tweet and picks in article, sigh.
Hey Jeffrey, how about that new personnel guy you were going to hire? Roseman is making all these trades, FA starts very soon and the draft after that…hmmm something tells me this was pure BS or they’ll hire a pedestrian guy who will get Roseman his coffee and make copies. 🙂
“Trust me, I promise I will clear it all up soon”-Jeffrey like 2 months ago
Well, they just solved the only concern with Whitehead!
I don’t see why Mathis isn’t an option, if Evans is.
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Re: impending UFA #Chargers CB Patrick Robinson, I’m told the #Giants, #Eagles, #Bears, #Dolphins among teams showing preliminary interest.
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he’s not famous. I want someone we can hype up, overpay then trade in a year.
So you want Weddle
Is he a starting Caliber outside corner?
1st round pick for the Saints, struggled with them but played very well with SDG last year. FWIW, NFL.com lists him as the 45th best FA available. Higher than a lot of other name players.
former 1st Rd pick
Florida State.
Has started 43 games in 5 years.
Yeah, he could start
New Orleans Saints[edit]
Robinson with the Saints in 2012.
Robinson and the Saints agreed to a five-year contract on July 29, 2010. On November 5, 2012, Robinson intercepted a pass from Michael Vick of the Philadelphia Eagles and returned it 99 yards for a touchdown, tying a Saints record set by retired safety Darren Sharper.
In 2013, Robinson sustained a serious injury to his patella during the Saints’ second game; on September 18, 2013, he was placed on the injured reserve list, ending his season.[6]
San Diego Chargers[edit]
On March 19, 2015, Robinson signed a one-year, $2 million contract with the San Diego Chargers.[7] In the 2015 season opener against the Detroit Lions, he caught an interception and returned it for 27 yards, setting up a Chargers touchdown.
NFL stats[edit]
Year Team GP COMB TOTAL AST SACK FF FR FR YDS INT IR YDS AVG IR LNG TD PD
2010 NO 11 28 26 2 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
2011 NO 15 47 38 9 0.0 0 0 0 4 31 8 25 0 15
2012 NO 16 64 53 11 1.0 1 0 0 3 99 33 99 1 18
2013 NO 2 2 1 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2014 NO 14 39 32 7 0.0 0 0 0 2 2 1 2 0 11
2015 SD 16 49 43 6 0.0 0 0 0 1 27 27 27 0 1
Career 74 229 193 36 1.0 1 0 0 10 132 15 99 1 47
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FWIW PFF FA Grades Rankings for CBs
Grade Age Snaps
Sean Smith 83.8 CB 29 Chiefs 967 UFA
Josh Norman 83.7 CB 28 Panthers 1203 FRAN
Adam Jones 83.3 CB 32 Bengals 945 UFA
Casey Hayward 82.7 CB 26 Packers 1067 UFA
Trumaine Johnson 82.2 CB 26 Rams 931 Rams
Janoris Jenkins 80.7 CB 27 Rams 1064 UFA
Patrick Robinson 79.4 CB 28 Chargers 713 UFA
Prince Amukamara 78.4 CB 27 Giants 779 UFA
Leon Hall 78.4 CB 31 Bengals 735 UFA
Brandon Boykin 76.9 CB 26 Steelers 407 UFA
Terence Newman 76.3 CB 37 Vikings 1014 UFA
Josh Thomas 75.4 CB 27 Cowboys 67 UFA
Shareece Wright 74.7 CB 29 Ravens 502 Ravens
William Gay 74.5 CB 31 Steelers 1234 UFA
Kyle Wilson 74 CB 29 Saints 509 UFA
Tavon Wilson 72.7 CB 26 Patriots 83 UFA
Jeremy Lane 72 CB 26 Seahawks 356 UFA
Nolan Carroll 71.6 CB 29 Eagles 771 UFA
Crezdon Butler 70.9 CB 29 Lions 23 UFA
Rashean Mathis 70.6 CB 36 Lions 445 RET
didn’t realize Nolan was that bad.
Was it Carrol or the defense he was in?
Ah . . . research.
Wow, that must have been hard to find.
Sometimes mining twitter turns up stuff LOL. I ran across it a few days ago. I don’t use that site much but some players like Robinson you don’t see much.
Nice, better than I expected…thank you sir
I’m sorry the Erin Andrews thing is insane to me, in most wrongful death cases you don’t get a tenth of that , the hotel having to pay $55M is just wow
nice windfall for the legal team.
Don’t forget that persnickety problem of collecting
Yeah. Interesting question. Do lawyers have payment preferences in contingency fee cases?
You mean, in bankruptcy?
Not sure I’m following. (sorry)
Silly question the more i thought about it. lawyer and client probably maintain the same 1/3 – 2/3 split (pari passu) regardless of the final amount of the award.
Often on appeal an award that high will be struck down and the victim will be awarded a lower amount.
She better, her privacy isn’t worth 18x more than the average human life (3m is the average given for wrongful death)
yeah but the award will hopefully have a deterrent effect. If the verdict was sub $5m famous people wouldn’t be safe anywhere
This case is a one-off because the victim had a very high profile and the nature of the invasion — which led to the incident and the aftermath.
Damages for wrongful death is much easier to tabulate (income multiplied by years of earning capacity multiplied by projected growth in earning capacity) — particularly when you’re not dealing with a high-income / high-profile person.
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So — on wrongful death — what if a Pro Team’s equipment manager and starting QB were both killed in the same accident.
You think the damage awards would be the same?
I understand what you’re saying but personally it feels wrong to me that she gets filmed nude and gets astronomically more than someone would for losing a loved one forever.
It all depends. Nicole and Goldman’s families got 33 mil.
….
Andrews was(maybe still is) an up and coming tv personality in a mans dominated world….
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The hotel aided this to happen. This isn’t the guy who recorded her. IF someone was raped – and a hotel aided it to happen it would b different
They got a judgement for $33M…unfortunately they didn’t see much at all of that money. I read an interview with Goldmans father recently and he said they ended up getting about $500,000 from OJ and have had to fight tooth and nail the entire way.
This is AMERICA!!!
So I’ve been away for the last 5 hours. I miss anything?
As long as you haven’t been filming Erin Andrews, you’re good.
No
I want to know if Schwartz had any input in this trade or if it was all Roseman.
he better have input
I would think Schwartz had input.
Is the rumor of the Eagles going after at Osemele hard now semi-legit? It makes sense and if the Eagles are trying to ‘duplicate’ the early Reid years they potentially have their 2 young tackles to work with moving ahead forward (Johnson and Osemele vs Thomas and Runyan).
They can put him at RT, move Johnson to LT, move/cut Peters, and draft a guard a G in the 1st round or move up in the 3rd to the 2nd round with this line retooled of all a sudden.
I thought Osemele was strictly a guard. Is he versatile enough to play RT?
Osemele is very versatile.
Played LG and LT this past year. Very well, too.
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Jernst —
also, thanks for the response on Kempski’s blog about the Bradford contract
Thanks AC…Always, always, always love your posts and insight, not to mention the amazing breadth of historical knowledge you’ve somehow stored away.
And, thanks for your reply on Osemele. I really have no knowledge of him whatsoever and hadn’t even heard of him until this offseason.
My wishlist after trading two starters for a late round pick.
Osemele, Illoka, Whitehead
CB: Carroll, Robinson, or Heyward (dont think we can afford a Sean Smith/Janoris Jenkins)
https://twitter.com/unclelukereal1/status/706989191654154240
Maxwell and Pacman together down there
wow, no matter whether you like howie or not there are def. worse gms.
Announced by Luther Campbell? Haha.
Unfortunately Pacman is not longer making the dollars to make it rain constantly at some of the expensive strip clubs in South Beach.
I just saw this, wonder what we got
A late round pick I assume
Just about to post this. This is cray-cray right now.
damn
Wowie Howie!!!
If Howie got anything for Murray. A 2019 7th? A swap of 7ths? Anything of value and he deserves to be crowned GM for life. We should have to pay for dumping his guaranteed money.
http://38.media.tumblr.com/b42494a9d6f3da58e3b598fb8f3bf717/tumblr_n2mv3fmKaG1tu0i70o1_250.gif
Nothing.
Howie not mucking around man sheesh.. Just please get a 2nd rounder somewhere out of all these trades
Ok, Howie might be good, but he’s still not God. 😉
So we getting Mariota or nah?
Maybe a Mariota game jersey. Or socks.
Case of Mariota bobblehead prototypes.
Ok, howie is gm of the year. I’ll never have another bad thing to say until I see what FA moves we make.
Getting rid of Maxwell and Murray without a significant cap hit should qualify him for the Oscars.
Plus, he is white.
Wow, so this earned him like 36 hours of good graces?
Wow, Howie. Effing. Roseman. man! New shit has come to light!
Assuming we dont get shafted in the trades, Howie is shutting this shit down, holy crap.
You can’t get shafted in a Demarco trade, he has no value
Well our first and DeMarco for their 7th would suck. Completely non realistic, but still theoretically possible to get shafted.
I mean I knew they would want to get rid of some Chip Kelly guys but never in my life did I think there would be willing trade partners for these cats.
yeah howie clearly spent that year wining and dining execs.
yeah cause they are dogs
Gotta wonder if djax and shady’s agents aren’t trying to get in touch w/ howie.
I don’t want either of them.
savage!
pahlease.
Murray and agent involved too.
“You’re not a football guy Howie” – Chip and everyone else
https://media.giphy.com/media/J0MZmk4tCwOPu/giphy.gif
So how much space have we created today?
9-10 millionish maybe.
DeMarco DeGone…yay!
Source? haha Howie not messing around
No more wishful thinking.
We need a RB now since Mathews is most likely going to be
a. injured
b. traded
c. the second fiddle again.
d. all of the above
I’m down for keeping Matthews and drafting one, unless they plan on going after a FA…..again
God I hope we don’t. Lamar Miller would be the only RB that I would want in FA. This years draft class of RBs isn’t all that good.
Depends…do they want to grab Elliot? They like Miller? Martin will probably get too much….idk what the plan is
I love Zeke but 13 is a little too rich for a RB. Maybe if we trade down.
I’d take him at 13 personally
How was it that such petfect multiple choice structure was so easily in your quiver?
Did u just get your 7 or 63 like me ?
I have to think meeting the spending floor requirement helped to move Murray to the Titans.
You know I somewhat feel bad for Demarco. He went from a piss poor team to a poor team and back to another piss poor team. Such is life in the NFL I guess.
He wasn’t happy here so now he can enjoy the Tennessee night life
nothing wrong with nashville
Yup. The live music scene is actually a lot better there.
He was involved in it. I think he restructured deal.
Why? He was a malcontent here, really wanted to be moved, and I bet is willing to restructure his deal to do so.
Murray really ran hard in the Dallas game that went to OT but I questioned a lot of his effort here for most of the season. Good riddance.
In all my years of watching football I’ve never seen a RB take a QB slide when it wasn’t in some time burning situation where they were just trying to stay in bounds. Good riddance.
To avoid a cornerbacks hit makes it even worse
Yea…a guy he clearly out weighed by about 25-30 pounds. And he was supposed to be our bruising power back. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. No room for a malcontent making $9mil that’s too slow and no longer seems to want to run hard.
The reports he was going directly to the Lurie to discuss his displeasure at how he was being utilized.
What happened this season if Murray was used sparingly and was only getting ~15 touches a game again or being subbed out in certain spots including the red zone? Would he give more questionable effort and be a malcontent again?
Shipping out Murray made a lot of sense for multiple reasons beyond just the salary cap relief.
Couldn’t agree more!
piss poor team one catch from being in the NFCCG?
sorry it was a catch, one ruling away..
don’t feel bad for cowboys
It didn’t help them this year.
Even if it was a catch there is no guarantee they win that game
Dream Team II is getting turn apart faster than even Dream Team I.
Needs to be mentioned that the same guy that tweeted that the Eagles’ trade with Miami involved a swap of 1st rd picks and a late round pick going to PHI also tweeted today he was hearing a trade of Murray was a done deal. Seems like he’s credible. If so, crown Howie GM for life.
No he still hasn’t traded for Boldyn..
You know, for not being a football guy, this Roseman fellow seems to be doing an OK job of running the team.
But, but, but, everyone in the league despises him because he’s not a football guy, so they won’t do deals with him!!!!
There’s no way the Dolphins are swapping 1st round picks with the Eagles. That would be equivalent to giving up a high 3rd round picks in terms of the draft value chart. As I said I would happily take a 5th rounder.
GR:
Who is this masked man? The masked tweeter?
https://twitter.com/JayA_975?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Now we’ll see what Roseman does with this freed up cash in FA.
I don’t care what anybody says…I really like Howie as a GM. It’s amazing that he’s been able to rid this team of it’s two worst contracts via trades. Getting out of Maxwell’s and Murrays contracts, while getting back something in return is incredible.
To be fair, no intelligent person questioned him in these kind of things. Drafting/player evaluation has always been to weak spot that was attacked.
Andy and Chip has had a say in player evaluation so it’s not all Howie’s fault.
Sure, and lets not forget that while there was some misses, there was some good hits too. Not to mention the feeling that Howie almost always got maximum value in trades and for the players we wanted.
Every GM misses. Even the best of them don’t have like a 50% hit rate on players.
Very true. When it comes to trades and getting value he’s always been a stud. And, as far as drafting, it remains to be seen since the FO has been so muddled that no one can say for sure who was responsible for the bad picks. The only thing we know for sure is that Howie ran the 2012 draft, which was excellent. Before that it was Reid who was exerting a bunch of influence over the picks and after that it was Chip.
I think his people skills were the main gripe, based upon former personnel employees and agents feeding a negative agenda to the Philly media.
Until Chip took over and one upped him in the regard apparently.
Ugh don’t remind us.
BOOM! You just summarized it all right there.
Yeah I need to know Murray & Murray’s agent’s role though too before giving him an A+ on that one.
It sounds like Murray was unhappy enough to rework his contract prior to the trade to make it palatable to the Titans. But, either way…Howie deserves to be credited with a win for getting out of about as bad a contract situation as you can have with an aging RB and turning it into not only extra cap space but an asset in return from the trade.
did we bait and switch Bradford with the murray trade?
Howies going HAM right now…I’m picturing him locked in his office with a mountain of blow and adderall in front of him like Tony Montana, holding a phone in one hand, and a dart that he’s about to throw at chip kelly’s picture in the other…
Good riddance. I was actually REALLY excited about Murray. I never thought Chip would use him as badly as he did, and never thought he was going to have such a bad attitude.
I will not miss any of these players at all … not one bit
I’m in awe that “our supreme leader” was able to unload the Murray contract a year sooner than expected,,, so happy…. my Zeke Elliot dream still lives!,,
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I don’t even need to know what we got in return for Demarco, great Trade!
My thoughts exactly. I thought for sure we would be stuck and burdened by the Maxwell and Murray contracts for another year.
It really seemed that out of the whole team, DeMarco and Byron were the only 2 who didn’t buy in or seem to embrace their roles on the team. Locker room should be better off without them.
If Roseman can get a team like the Texans or Niners to take Sanchez off our hands, tears of joy will flow
All of this makes me go back and think about all of the ridiculous ‘culture’ talk last offseason including how players were either buying in or getting moved.
Turned out to be almost a complete load of BS.
Your last sentence is Chip Kelly’s epilogue of his time in Philly.
That is what pissed me off about Mathis getting released offseason for nothing and even back to Jackson.
I was ok with Jackson being cut, but should have been able to at least get something for him.
If they couldn’t get value for Jackson we should have just kept him. Jackson was set to make $6.25M in 2014 and had a cap hit of about $8M. We ended up giving Riley Cooper $5M that year. No one can convince me that for all of Jacksons limitations and off/on field antics that he wasn’t worth $3M over what we ended up paying Cooper. Even when Jackson signed in Washington. His cap hit the past two years was only $8M both years. He was worth every penny of that, he just needed a stud possession WR on the other side of him. If he got to play with Maclin in Chips offense those first two years, all the issues that arose when he was the #1 guy like disappearing in the redzone and not being consistent would have faded away.
“We’re in the business of adding good players, not letting them go”, to paraphrase Chip’s SF press conference. A few thousand years ago, Chip would have been the subject of a Greek tragedy.
I imagine Sanchez gets moved now too. Not many Kelly acquisitions left after that although I’m curious to see if the Eagles try to move another LB
Probably not going to, Kenny’s deal hasn’t even started yet and Hicks is staying
Im sure we were always willing to move Sanchez if a trade partner emerges… What we get in return is the easy part, hopefully a team like the Texans or Niners take him off our hands.. Id even give him to Dallas. Id gladly play against the sanchez led Cowboys when romo gets hurt
Having teams willing to trade for these players tells you what some of the other teams thought about Chip. We watched and saw bad players. Some other teams, at least, must be looking at these guys as misused.
Also questionable effort by Maxwell and Murray.
It does say a lot about how little they thought of our coaching that they were willing to overlook some seriously putrid game tape from last season and take these players.
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Maxwell got an extra two mil guaremteed by Miami for this deal lol
The missuse was clear as day. I’m honestly still besides myself with disbelief at how poorly Chip coached last year.
Think about the phone conversations Roseman and Banner had starting in January, through FA, the draft, and then the collapse.
Maybe it wasn’t Banner.
But Roseman has a confidant in the NFL.
Would love to hear those exchanges . . .
Not to mention seeing the secret emails from Roseman to Lurie after every Kelly move saying, “nope — bad one — here’s why.”
I wonder how much of that type of feedback Lurie heard directly from outside people he spoke to during the course of the year. Even just implied comments like “wow, that Murray contract is really out of character for your team”.
I also wonder how many trade calls they’re getting right now (and have been getting) from teams that think we have some hidden gems that Chip never used properly – i.e. the Eagles don’t know what they have in this guy.
Both great points. I’m sure Lurie had a lot of people speaking up to him about the unorthodox things Chip was doing and warning him that this could all blow up real fast.
And, Chip badly missused a bunch of players. But, in all fairness, Murray really did look washed up all of last year. Dude was painfully slow and didn’t seem to have any of that nasty punishing style that he had become known for. Maxwell looked and played like a guy who was a mid round pick who had started 17 games in his career and was a decent #2, just like most people thought he was. Kiko, aside from his spectacular interception in week one, looked like he had no confidence in his knee and couldn’t take on OR shed a block to save his life, and compounded that by looking completely lost. So, I’ll be very surprised if any of these guys ends up being a real tough loss for the Eagles in the future.
Maybe Kiko recovers fully and turns it around…but, he looks more and more like Stewart Bradley 2.0, a guy who tore up his knee and was never the same again. Murray is shot and at 29 years old should be expected to be nearing the end of his career anyways. And, Maxwell is a decent corner who unfortunately is just not fast or athletic enough to ever be elite.
Or maybe Kelly wanted out and just sabotaged. I can’t understand the regression from one year to the next.
The most shocking thing to me was the regression he showed in scheme creativity and variability. His scheme went from being revolutionary to atrocious over night. And, it was not the rest of the league catching up to him. He literally changed his entire approach and widdled the playbook down to 4 bland plays. Completely different from the offense we saw in year one that looked like it was going to take the world by storm.
No doubt, I would have loved to been inside Howie’s office while Chip was going ballistic on our roster. And, if Howie is as Machievellian as people seem to suggest I’m sure he was documenting and planting the seeds of doubt and dissent in Lurie’s hear the whole way…and really rightfully so. Looking back on Chip’s last year I’m still surprised at myself for all the (albeit eventual) blind faith I had in him. I talked myself into a lot of his moves over the year thinking he was just a step ahead of us all and boy was I wrong.
What if last year I told you before long Mariota would be playing with Murray
Going to be fascinating this year to see how Kelly does in SF including with their moribund offense and how all of these players who get traded look.
I still have hope for Kiko, Byron is done, Murray should play better but he’ll never be what he was
In Vance Joseph’s defense in Miami . . .
Kiko will play the role of Vontaze Burfict.
Murray may do well. After all, he took the year off in 2015!
how much of Murray’s contract do the Eagles have to pay?
details pending
what if Tennessee flips Murray back to the Cowboys with the Eagles picking up a large portion of his salary?
Then all the huzzahs Roseman’s been getting will stop.
Fast.
JC:
Tennessee not only has cap room.
The team has no RB to speak of.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/2015.htm
Leading rusher in 2015 was Antonio Andrews with 520.
(Mariota second with 252)
Titans need a running back.
good point
Only a couple of weeks ago I was not really looking forward to this year’s Free Agency and the Draft.
But holy Howie, I’m fired up again!!! #GoBirds
Howie’s getting all this praise and I’m just waiting to see what we got back in any of these deals
Cap space?
That’s enough for me to be excited about.
Pride?
Oh yeah I know that just curious on the late picks
I’m sorry.
Like you, very curious if — in the Miami deal — the Eagles get something substantial. (Anything above a 5th)
Titans, I’m thinking conditional 7th.
Honestly just getting out from those burdensome contracts is a huge win for the Eagles.
Coupons and vouchers . . .
The sad thing about these trades is that thanks to Chip we essentially got rid of the franchises best RB ever while he was still in his prime for nothing. The only thing we got back in that trade had to be thrown into a subsequent trade a year later just to get another team to take on the contract of Kelly’s biggest FA signing of his tenure. What a disaster.
In three years Chip released DeSean and McCoy in their primes for nothing and let Maclin leave in free agency and signed Maxwell and Murray to horrendous contracts. If he stayed here another year we’d almost assuredly have let Vinny Curry go as well. I’m not going to miss Chip’s strategy of systematically ridding the team of all it’s best playmakers.
Consensus is that OL is the Eagles biggest need, but I’m wondering if we’re going to be surprised by them doing less than we’d expect. I was surprised that they kept Stout, and then Tobin, but now I’m wondering how much of the problem was Chip/scheme. Maybe Peterson and Co think Schlereth was right back in Oct. If “NFL” scheme and snap count fixes Kelce and results in general improvement, they wouldn’t be too far off. Love to see just one of those developmental guys step up this year.
I absolutely think that reducing the snap count helps the OL. Those guys hit on every single play. And I think most would agree that it helps the defense as well.
the only think snap count is going to help kelce at is not snapping it off sams chest
Our OL was around league average. Our WR corps was #32. I’d say we need WR more than OL.
The atrocious guard play certainly wasn’t a mirage. We were very much so overmatched talent-wise on the inside. But, Chip’s scheme just amplified the problem rather than covering it up. He’d often have blocking schemes where a DT would line up between the Center and the Right Guard, he’d then have both the Center and the RG pull to the right and ask the LG to come all the way across and block the DT. I can’t tell you how many times I watched Barbre or Tobin wiff on such a block because it was literally impossible for them to cover that much ground against a DT that was shooting upfield. The RB would get tackled in the backfield and the next series we’d see the same play again and again. The next game…the same thing. He really put overmatched guards in an impossible situation.
I am far from a Negaphilian, but you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment with this Howie love fest. Okay, he’s dumping some undesirable players. But now, where are the impact players in return? Are we really going to pretend we haven’t seen this song and dance many times over during the Howie era? How many times did we go crazy over his genius free agent signings only to be let down by the end of the season?
Yes, I’m happy with the Demarco trade. Dumping Maxwell’s schedule might feel fine right now, but we still need to find a quality starting CB in his place. Howie doesn’t have the most stellar track record of drafting and developing highly talented DB’s. So yay I guess for now. But uh….none of these moves matter until we get some continuity and start winning when it really matters.
The Eagles have overrated their talent for a while, so it’s going to take time to build this roster.
No one expects to reach the SB this year or even the next. People are just excited that the team is headed in a better direction
cool when SHOULD we expect it?
To be fair, all the eagles have done is accelerate moving on from pieces they wanted to get rid of next year anyway. Make no mistake, this is a rebuild. That said, a rebuild doesn’t have to start at square one. We have a lot of young talent. It’s about getting rid of the fat now. I suspect Jason Peters, Brent, and Sam are the veterans they decided to keep to usher in the “new” regime. DeMeco already had a viable replacement in Hicks. The OL is lacking in talent to show JP the door this year. Celek is just the man. And, Bradford, there just wasn’t anyone better to bridge into the next QB. My hope is for 2 or 3 solid signings, and then focus our resources in the draft. Rinse and repeat for next year.
Agreed totally. That’s exactly the scenario I’m hoping for too. I guess maybe I’m a bit surprised at how excited people are over the moves. To me, it just shows how incompetent the front office (don’t care how much power Chip had, Lurie/Roseman were signing those checks too)/Chip has been over the past year or so.
These moves free up cap space which *should* allow for the acquisition of much needed talent at certain positions. At the end of the day though, these moves still don’t get us closer to where we need to be. They free up $, but we need to hit on our fa signings and the draft.
DMooreNFL: The consensus from those I talked to say that the #Eagles acquired the 64th pick from #Titans (1st pick in 3rd rd) for RB D. Murray. #NFL
Wow!
This sounds too good to be true. Unreal. Actually.
If true…
We almost have to be paying some of his salary for that return.
He’s backing down from his tweet. He just made it up.
Yeah, just deleted it actually.
We all said “No take backs!” right? Right?
I should hope so.
Or the Titans new GM, Jon Robinson, should be fired immediately.
Re: The Runyan Plan – Part II . . . Pretty Much
Maybe, despite price, Osemele is the Eagles’s #1 target. By a lot.
Pederson’s on record echoing Reid’s mantra of: “Give me a QB and 2 OTs, and I’ll figure out the rest on offense.” (words to that effect)
Right now, the Eagles have LJ and JP.
But let’s say the Eagles sign Osemele — he gets plugged in at OG in 2016.
In 2017, Peters leaves (retire/cut/trade).
LJ goes to OLT. And Osemele swings outside to ORT.
Now the OT position is covered for the next 5-6 years.
For enough cash and guarantees, Osemele would agree to a favorable contract structure that pushes the bigger cap hits into 2017 and beyond — when Peters’s own big numbers are off the books . . . in effect creating space for Osemele’s.
Getting Osemele — with the intent of splitting from Peters after 1 year — allows the Eagles to focus on drafting OGs in 2016, which are cheaper in draft terms than OTs.
That creates a lot more flexibility on draft day for the Birds.
Yes, the Eagles need another safety. But does he have to be at a premium price?
And which offers better value to Pederson’s vision? An OT or a S?
Just kicking it out there.
Why not move JP inside and let LJ and Osemele just start bookending now? I love JP as much as the next guy, but from what we’ve seen – he can’t be counted on to make 16 & play at a high level the whole time.
From a football standpoint, it would seem to be better to put him inside so there’s less movement on the line when he’s out. Osemele would go from G to T, back to G, then to T – all because JP’s body can’t do it anymore.
JP is a proud man and has said that he is still an elite LT. Good luck convincing a man’s ego otherwise.
Osemele will get $10M+ a year. Raiders are the reported favorites.
GR . . . that was my assumption last week.
Raiders have space. And they need to reach the floor.
So they have nearly unlimited funds. And a big obligation.
Need to reach floor but date they have to reach floor isn’t until sometime until January or February of next year. By that time, Carr and Mack will be eligible for extensions. They’d be smart to save money for those guys.
I think they target Allen or Brooks at OL.
Excellent post! And, I hope this is what the FO is thinking. Obviously (regardless of Pederson’s vision/scheme) OT is far more important than safety. So that has to be priority #1.
I’d like to see us sign a safety that plays the run well. With Schwartz’s frequent use of the wide 9, that puts additional stress on the safeties as they become a part of the defenses run fits and are responsible for a gap on a run play.
Jenkins can play deep center field, he can play in the slot and cover well and he’s surprisingly good around the LOS in the run game for a guy who’s a converted CB, but the last thing we need is a overwhelmed safety next to him who can’t handle all the stress our new scheme puts on its safeties.
Safeties in this scheme really need to be multitalented or it can cause huge problems. We saw first hand how having safeties that were poor run defenders and not savy and experienced enough to play the pass AND the run simultaneously without getting burned by playaction passes back when Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen were playing behind the wide 9.
As we’ve seen over the past few years in Carolina, Kurt is a pretty decent safety when he’s allowed to sit back and play coverage without having run gap responsibility. The added responsibilities in the wide 9 really put a premium on football intelligence, experience, and ability to play both the run and the pass, and for some players it’s just too much. And, the results can be horrible as one misstep can easily lead to a huge play.
Do you think Jenkins’ flexibility allows the Eagles to go 2nd-tier at safety in FA?
Illoka sounds great. But do the Eagles really need him, as opposed to getting a couple players at other positions?
This is what I wondered initially as well. For a while, I thought the eagles were moving Rowe there, but with the Maxwell trade, they just don’t have enough viable personnel at CB. Even if they drafted a safety, they cannot throw him out there on day 1. Is McLeod 2nd tier?
Honestly I think in this scheme both safeties need to be above average for it to really function properly. The issue with safety is that one misstep can often lead to a huge game changing play as they are the last line of defense. A safety who’s head is swimming trying to deal with multiple responsibilities and is worried about his run fit who takes one step forward on a playaction pass can easily allow an 80 yard TD with that one misstep.
That being said, a savy defensive coordinator who has run this defense for years, will be able to compensate and hide such a player much better than Juan Castillo could. The problem with that is that the best way to hide such a player is to limit his responsibility and either make him a box safety or a deep centerfielder and let Jenkins handle the multiple responsibilities.
This presents two problems. One: it limits the benefit you get from having a multitalented player like Jenkins that can move around and be used to neutralize matchups if he ends up being relegated to center field (if the other safety is a box defender/extra LB) or if Jenkins ends up being the one who plays the box while taking him out of some of his coverage responsibilities where he also excels. Subsequently this also limits your coverage options and limits your overall scheme variability as your constantly restrained by covering up for the sub par safety.
Two: even if you split the rolls into a more stringent SS/FS dichotomy to cover for a player that can’t excell at both, you simply can’t hide the sub par guy’s limitations on every single play. Offenses will work to exploit his weakness and as stated above, one mistep can be a huge difference making play.
Where the Eagles can and I assume will find value until they eventually draft a young stud safety is with a savy vet nearing the end of his career. The savy vet will be less likely to be fooled by playaction and less likely to be overwhelmed by multiple responsibilities and can compensate with his football knowledge in a lot of ways alleviating some of the concern over giving up big plays while still being a more bargain level FA due to age.
That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised to see us sign an older veteran safety like Eric Weddle who might be a little cheaper than the younger guys but would hopefully, as a veteran, not be overwhelmed by the added responsibilities in our scheme.
I don’t think Osemele is the target, but Jeff Allen has similar versatility. He has experience at LG and RT and one would think could play RG too.
What I didn’t know, which Tommy pointed out above, is that Allen has missed games due to injury in the recent past. This could affect how much we would be willing to pay versus other teams who are also desperate.
As much as I would love to see Osemele on the Eagles we now have 6 starters we need to replace. We will have to get 2-3 of those starters via free agency meaning we can not put most of our eggs into one basket.
yea, maxwell’s contract was rough but he was still at least an average starter. kiko was on a peanuts contract with a couple years left. Eagles better have gotten at least something back in return.
They are getting something back.
I think they got their senses and all their marbles back.
Clearing the cap space by moving Maxwell and Murray is great.
Getting back some draft consideration will be nice (whatever it is).
But, as the day’s shaped up, the bigger question may be:
“What will Roseman do with the almost $9M in new cap space?”
(I think that’s about right)
Cox and Logan for starters.
Cox makes sense but are you ready to project Logan to a 4-3 DT and pay him as such?
Well, they are also projecting production out of Curry and Jenkins. Jenkins said he prefers the 3-4 and we’re just assuming Curry will thrive given a different scheme. I just think, out of the players who will hit the market soon, those are the 2 likely candidates.
Logan was solid as DT at LSU
I actually think Logan projects much better to a 1 gap attacking 4-3 than he did to a 2 gap NT role
Yeah, he is kind of small for a 2 gap NT.
Hey…in a previous comment that I dont feel like finding i said that the Eagles would likely sign an older veteran safety if they were priced out of the market for the younger guys and I mentioned Eric Weddle. I take that back. I didn’t realize how much he’s expected to receive on the open market this year. Whoops. Still think they’ll either go with one of the young studs or a solid veteran. But, not an inexperienced lower tier guy without a lot of upside.
This is a much better CB FA class, and we’ll be able to easily get an average starter for less. Better fund allocation.
True…Maxwell wasn’t nearly as bad as people made him out to be and seemed to settle down much more after his bad game in week 1. He was a clear upgrade over Cary and/or Fletcher, even if he was grossly over paid. Either way, I think moving on from his cumbersome contract is the right move, even if in the short term we might be taking a step back. Good teams have good cap allocation where their highest paid players are also their best players. It’s really impossible to conclude that Maxwell was/is/would ever be the Eagles 2nd or 3rd best player. And, thus it was never a winning scenario to have him paid as such.
If they can resign Carroll or sign a decent starting CB in FA to pair with Rowe we’ll be more than adequate. Carroll and Rowe wouldn’t be a world beating pair of CBs, but I think Carroll would do just fine holding the fort down while we rebuild and round out the team.
I can’t figure out what is more exciting, the acquisition of these players last year or the purge of the same players this year..
haha
Fucking hell you step away from the computer for a few hours and half the team is gone.
So curious to see the compensation on these deals.
Yeah, I wonder if we’ll find out anything about the compensation before Wednesday.
Seems to me that Howie, Pederson, Schwartz and to a certain extent The Fipp are purging the roster in order to sculpt it more to their liking. Not saying these moves are good in the long run but I am happy that Pederson is getting the chance to mold the team to his specs.
Wanted to note something about the Erin Andrews verdict. Only the guy who videotaped herself and the owner of that hotel(franchisee) were part of the lawsuit. Marriott itself was not a defendant and isn’t liable for any of the judgment against the hotel.
We’re keeping Bradford to keep continuity! Well, except for rb/cb/lb/lb/safety etc etc
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A couple of years ago – our DC in Buff said he was going to build the defense around Kiko. Now he has Kiko again and they get rid of him. Wondering if the DC had a say in all of this. If he did — man how little of Kiko they think. Not many “possible” starter material at his price around the league…
Yeah the Kiko thing doesn’t make much sense, unless the Dolphins really wanted him and he was part of a more substantial return. I’m also ambivalent about Maxwell (overpaid, but still decent and it leaves a big hole we need to fill). But if the rumors of swapping 8 and 13 are true, it gets a lot more interesting.
yeah, the Kiko additon almost feels like Howie wanted a specific draft compensation and the Dolphins wouldn’t go for it. Then Howie said, “so what will it take to get that?”
now that would be interesting. Howie what will it take to get to “there”…reply – throw in Kiko. done.
I don’t know about that. Kiko had a stellar rookie season and got hurt. He got hurt again this past season and didn’t look that great when he returned. I get the feeling his career projects similarly to what happened to Stewart Bradley.
Well, I do’nt think that Howie threw him in just to get rid of him. The Dolphins would have to have wanted him or at least settled on Alonso.
Who knows. People can be petty like that. See Desean, Brandon Boykin, and Evan Mathis.
They’re moving from 3-4 to 4-3. Kiko isn’t a 4-3 SAM. Maxwell isn’t a press corner.
didn’t he run a 4-3 in Buff?
He wasn’t a SAM.
I get what you’re saying, but who said he was a SAM here?
Watch them bring in a SAM to replace him.
I think we were going to bring in a SAM no matter what as there isn’t one on the roster.
Sure they may have I agree. I thought Whitehead was a possibility but when you’re talking about continuity you can’t worry about it that much for a backup. Acho could be signed and be a backup that gives us continuity anyway. Alonso didn’t play that much with these guys and it will be a different defense.
At the very very worst he’d be a backup at another position then. Eagles are already thin at LB, and Kiko has great upside and is cheap. No reason to get rid of him unless it was about the return (or the only way the Dolphins would take the entire Maxwell contract).
I agree. Kiko was like a very cheap lottery ticket. He was worth hanging on to. However, if he allowed us to get a decent draft pick in return with the trade I have absolutely no problem with us moving on from someone who looked clearly damaged (both mentally and physically) last year.
I think we are overvaluing our own on this one. Other than that amazing one-handed interception in the Falcons game, what has he done since 2013?
How many games has he been truly healthy since 2013? Basically that one game.
It’s a definite possibility he’ll never get back to what he was, but you don’t simply get rid of that kind of guy making peanuts, since he could still be great and his replacement will cost more. So, his inclusion was about either having the Dolphins take all of Maxwell’s contract, or a better draft pick return, or both. For a good return, then it can make a lot of sense to move him. We’re all interested in the full details of these trades, as they are impossible to judge otherwise.
Perhaps. Or it paves the way for the eagles to sign a linebacker they prefer in free agency that would only sign if they were going to start, as Tommy postulated above about Whitehead.
IMO, I don’t think a linebacker with 2 ACL tears in 2 years, who banks on his athleticism over his ability to digest plays, would sway a team to take on such an albatross of a contract even if it was restructured. But that’s me. You could be right as well.
Alonzo is a FA after next season. Were the Eagles going to sign him long term? It sure doesn’t look like it. He may not have even been a starter this year. There’s no way he’s a SAM and was he going to start at WIL over Kendricks who is better than him and signed through 2019? It looks like the Eagles are selling him at peak value.
Alonzo is an RFA after this season. He did not accrue a league year when he was injured in 2014 so he needs to spend another year until full free agency. So, he’ll be cheap property for two more seasons (unless he warrants a big raise after this season). His salary is fine for even a backup — he may be more of a lottery ticket at this point, but the Eagles need LB backups too.
I have no problem with trading him to get a good return, though.
“How many games has he been truly healthy since 2013?”
Dude, it’s 2016. He made 1, yes 1, big play in 2015. He got hurt again. He didn’t play much on a defense that was on the field A LOT. His old DC didn’t want him. (I’m assuming that because I doubt Howie is booting players that our new DC wants to keep) If we get anything for him, it is worth it.
O.P. was discussing continuity and him as a starter which was what my reply was about. Generally you worry about starters with continuity. He didn’t even play that much here.
If we get Bradham as backup and Whitehead it will be moot. I]m not saying we will but lets see how it works out at LB. As for him being low money, we opened up cap space in the deal so it’s a trade off.
Kiko opened cap space or you saying Kiko helped open cap space?
They opened up 5.8 million in cap space in the trade. Pt is what it is.
Where was the upside? Alonzo is a long term project who currently does not have strength needed to play in the NFL. He’s got the physique of Todd Pinkston. Yeah, I understand he spent a lot of time injured, but he obviously spent none of that time in the weight room.
And, let’s be honest. The guy is stupid. I’m not a medical expert, but I believe the technical term is “dum as gum”.
He was certainly very good in 2013. The question is can he regain that form. For a cheap contract, you keep him to find out — unless there was some value in return in a trade.
I’d be shocked if Schwartz did not have a say in these moves.
I’d also be shocked if Schwartz watched film of Kiko Alonzo this past season and said “that’s a guy I want to build my defense around”
Frankly, I’d be surprised if Schwartz watched film of Kiko Alonzo this past season and said “That’s a guy who is going to see significant time on the field”
Sell, Roseman, Sell!
http://youtu.be/wDI6SEIzwNM
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uPWqZhzh-gE/Vs2oiSzbsFI/AAAAAAAACDc/BEp9IwtyFL0/s110-c/The%2BPurge%2BElection%2BYear.jpg
Howie can wear this tomorrow around the office.
I hope he doesn’t volunteer at a clinic for bulimics.
How receptive do you think Bradford would be if he got a fake text message tonight that Roseman traded him for a 2nd this year and a conditional 2nd rounder to the Texans?
I’m still hoping it can actually happen!
#Eagles have expressed interest in OLB Tahir Whitehead, per a source. Could be Kiko’s replacement. http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/03/tahir_whitehead_could_be_fit_for_eagles.html …
https://youtu.be/n-xcK3xWkTQ
I like the bonus play of Murray running for no gain.
Watch Maxwell light it up in Miami this year…
I believe he’d be more likely to light up if he went to Denver.
I wouldn’t be sad to see that, or to see Murray light it up in Tennessee. Scheme fit, player attitude, team fit, they’re all real things. CK seemed to think they were the be all, end all of building a team. Obviously they weren’t, but sometimes a guy just doesn’t want to be here. Our fan base can inspire that in people.
had me sipping the Sweezy sweet tea. Interesting they signed Brooks, huge change from the past 2 years.