Draft Eve
Posted: April 27th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 504 Comments »Twas the night before the draft
And all through the house
Not a creature was stirring
Except Sam Bradford’s agent
It really sucks that we are sitting here on Draft Eve talking about Sam Bradford, his feelings and his agent instead of final mock drafts, mid-round targets and draft sleepers. But, here we are.
NFL: Report: Broncos 'are in' on pursuing Bradford https://t.co/LpQFwMLHBn
— rotoworld (@rotoworld) April 28, 2016
Firmly believe this is what fueled #Eagles Sam Bradford's 180 from not pursuing a trade to suddenly wanting out ASAP https://t.co/F4pKL9LpAn
— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) April 28, 2016
Maybe it is as simple as this.
Bradford heard the Broncos were interested, called Tom Condon and said “Get me the hell out of here.”
I don’t think it is any secret that he’s not madly in love with living in the northeast. Colorado might not be Oklahoma/Texas, but it’s a lot more like that than Philly is.
What could the Eagles get in return?
There are reports the Eagles have a high asking price.
Adam Schefter mentioned an offer of a player and a 4th round pick. That’s not very compelling, unless the player is much better than I’m guessing he would be.
The Eagles don’t want to just give away a starting QB, but they will have a tough time convincing teams they can still bring Bradford back this year. That seems like an unlikely scenario at this point.
#Broncos called the #Eagles on Sam Bradford. It was very preliminary, no compensation was discussed. PHI still not inclined to move him.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 27, 2016
This is a truly bizarre situation so I’m not sure how it will play out. I don’t know if the Eagles can get a 2nd round pick for Bradford. Then again, the Broncos have nothing at QB. With much of a championship roster returning, there is some real logic to dealing for Bradford and seeing if they can make a run at another title.
It will be interesting to see if Howie Roseman can make the best of this situation.
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Now to the future.
Mike Mayock: “I feel like I spent all week talking Philadelphia people off the ledge on radio shows."Loves Wentz, applauded Eagles' boldness
— Zach Berman (@ZBerm) April 27, 2016
It seems almost certain that Wentz will be the Eagles guy.
I’m in the minority, still holding out hope that somehow Jared Goff drops to #2 and the Eagles get him.
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The Eagles signed reserve OL Dennis Kelly to a one-year extension through 2017, per source. The deal adds $880k in new money.
— Field Yates (@FieldYates) April 27, 2016
Doug Pederson was the Eagles coach when Kelly started games at RT as a rookie so he has some familiarity with the big O-lineman.
Kelly does have the potential to be a solid swing tackle. I thought he played pretty well in the one game where he practiced during the week and was ready to go on gameday. The Eagles obviously like something about him. There wasn’t much to be accomplished by extending him unless the team just to make sure he stuck around. They value him as a role player.
It will be interesting to see if the Eagles draft an OT, OG or C/G.
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He does still say Howie not interested though Matt Lombardo says they’re discussing deal.
https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/725499599587172353
https://twitter.com/MattLombardo975/status/725469855567114241
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/725462133601783809
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/725502192627544064
So Lynch is going 37th and the Eagles are going to give Bradford away for noting – next Tweets from Allbright.
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Only one downside with Goff, Tommy. His hands are the same size as mine. I am 5’7″ tall.
If the Eagles do deal Bradford, maybe they still have cap space to bring Fitzpatrick in. Maybe Fitz will take a 2 year (1 year) contract from not the Jets. He’s the only other QB on the market that isn’t positively bad.
And yet you will see Goff supporters referring to the same hand size of a teddy bridgewater and Carr. I am with you though and I prefer strong armed Wentz over a Matt Barkley/Kevin Kolb lookalike any day of the week.
I reiterate that Goff is mostly like Mike Glennon.
I reiterate, that makes no damn sense.
Glennon is a big arm statuesque QB.
But you see, his skin tone…
Maybe it’s the scrawny team pic factor?
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That is exactly what I think they need to do. They hold all the cards and don’t need to do anything. Denver needs this way more. A third this year and a second next year. Bradford is their only real option to go deep in the playoffs again.
Repeated from previous thread:
What people aren’t accounting for here(with Bradford) is that the $11M signing bonus was broken up into two installments, one that was due Mar 18th and one that was due in September(forget the exact date). While there has never been an exact case similar to this and therefore not a precedent, PFT has reported and Bryce Johnston(Eagles salary cap guy if you’re familiar with him) agrees that per the CBA(you can check out @NFLCapAnalytics if you want the exact CBA language) if Bradford was traded prior to that Mar 18th date then the Eagles’ 2016 salary cap would be charged the $11M but they would get a credit of the same amount on the 2017 cap.
Extrapolating from that, since the Eagles have already paid the 1st
installment, if Bradford was traded before the 2nd installment was due
then his new team would be responsible for paying the 2nd installment.
Thus, the Eagles cap would be charged an $11M dead $ hit for 2016 but
they’d get back a 2017 cap credit of $5.5M.
While there isn’t a precedent here and it’s impossible to confirm that that is what would actually happen, the fact that PFT reported it indicates to me that
someone involved in the negotiation of the contract is of the opinion
that is what the CBA dictates and has passed that info along to Florio.
If it makes it easier to get better compensation via picks or players, I’d be fine eating the additional 5.5M. Use cap space as an asset to get better picks or players. Bradford versus Kap is one thing for the Broncos to consider; Bradford at $7M versus Kap’s salary is another. We don’t see a whole lot of salary dumps in NFL trades like in other leagues, and maybe we should.
Exactly. The $ is of no consequence for this year. The return of picks is more vital.
As I replied in the other thread I’m pretty positive that 1 June is the ‘magic’ date for this to happen, not September.
Why? This is not about June 1st cuts, this is about a set date in a contract.
I’ve read it somewhere. Need to find the source.
You’re confusing things. June 1st is a factor in how the dead $ hit is charged against the 2016 cap. If he was cut/traded before June 1st, all $11M would be charged against 2016 cap. If it was after June 1st, then $5.5M would be charged against the 2016 cap and $5.5M against the 2017 cap.
That’s separate from the 2 installments structure that would lead the Eagles to be credited with $5.5M on the 2017 cap. If Bradford was traded after June 1st then the net result would be only taking a $5.5M dead $ hit on the 2016 cap because the $5.5M dead money hit for 2017 and the 2017 $5.5M credit would cancel each other out.
Cheers mate.
Cheers. Likely a moot point as Bradford likely isn’t going anywhere.
Roseman better be right with the QB he drafts at #2. Major roll of the dice. Other teams seem to be able to find franchise QB without giving up so much. We’ll see what happens. Looking forward to the draft and hope to see the Eagles be active.
Usually by being so awful and having so many high draft picks that they blunder their way into eventually landing one. The Eagles are never bad enough to become good enough.
That’s Lurie’s problem i think. never won a chip so he doesn’t want to ever rebuild the team even though we should have after dropping mcnabb
Overly simplistic in my view – I was talking more about Seattle getting Wilson in the 3rd rd, Pats getting Brady in the 6th rd, Cowboys finding Romo as a UDFA, Saints signing Brees, Pats picking up Rogers at #24 in the 1st rd, Baltimore getting Flacco at #18 in the 1st rd, 49ers landing Kaepernick in the 2nd rd etc.
None of those teams are the normal terrible teams that pick high every year or were so bad for so long they stumbled eventually upon a franchise QB. The differences seem to be understanding one does not need a really high pick or to overpay to move up to get a franchise QB and well run/patient and disciplined organizations who know how to evaluate and develop talent effectively.
In reality, the teams that keep overpaying to move up and have the high picks every year routinely screw the pooch due to being poorly run teams that cannot evaluate talent and develop it once they draft it very well.
Hopefully, the Eagles get the right guy, can develop him and put themselves in the first group rather than the second.
Now bring me the odds of how many day 2 and 3 QBs are drafted compared to how many works out.
Its easy to point to the outliers that work without considering how often they do not work.
I just named 8 examples or 25% of the league.
The point is having to be terrible to get a high pick or having to overpay to move up to the top is not absolutely necessary to find a franchise QB.
Then one sees a fairly strong correlation to well run teams who can evaluate/develop talent in that group.
You can call them “lucky”, but any pick has a piece of that. The larger piece is they figured out a way to do it by being patient, disciplined and smart.
The Eagles have not since McNabb left and now have done a major roll of the dice to move up to #2. We’ll have to see what happens, but I’m not that confident.
Getting Tom Brady or Tony Romo is none about patience, discipline or smarts.
If those teams knew they would be so good, they had just taken em in the 1st round and not screwed around.
Also its not 25%, again tell me how many QBs are drafted in round 2-7 and bought in as UDFA and now give me the odds compared to 1st round picks.
8 examples out of how many second or later round QBs taken in the last ten years? 80? More? The percentage of later round QBs that work out is not 25%, it’s more like 7-8% at best.
I think Kap does not help your argument. That was a crap team that hit on lots of defensive draft picks over years. Kap was the cherry on top of a nice pie, and rode his athleticism for a year or two before being exposed.
you can’t just say I named 8 examples or 25% of the league. Math works differently than that. You would have to compare those picks to the hundreds of other 3rd and 6th and udfa QB’s taken by teams at those apots about and comparing those to how many actually worked out. It had nothing to do with being patient. If the Seahawks really though Wislon was ” THE GUY” they wouldn’t have waited until the 3rd round to take him. Same thing with Brady Romo etc. These weren’t teams being patient these were teams saying” well fuck it if no one else wants this guy we’ll just take him.”
Kaepernick, Romo and Dalton are not franchise QBs. Brees was a fluke that happens once in a blue moon and has nothing to do with the draft.
The point was how does a team acquire a franchise QB. Obviously the draft is not the only way since these examples exist. I disagree with your definition of a franchise QB, but again the point is the draft and especially being in the top 5 of a draft is not the only way to acquire a franchise QB. The Eagles should be asking themselves, how did these other teams get a franchise QB without spending a ton of $$ and/or picks? Did we have to take this big risk and huge investment to move up for Wentz?
Romo, Wilson, Brady.
That’s three franchise QBs outside the top 40 in the last 20 years.
That’s a statistical outlier. You take a QB top 40 or you don’t take one .
It seems that you’ve shifted the goalposts a little. He’s talking about not needing a top 5 pick, while you’ve shifted it to not needing a top 40 pick. I think you’re both right (don’t need to sink massive resources or truly suck to get a good enough QB, but you’re not likely to find the true diamond in the rough, either), which is why I’m not a big fan of this trade. I think how you develop guys with the right tools means more than getting the perfect guy. And easing a QB into the league, either the Seattle/SF/Pitt method (having a very good defense, with a run-centric offense that doesn’t ask the QB to throw too much) or the “GB method” of letting him sit at least full season before throwing him to the wolves seems to be a near necessity outside of generational talents like Luck.
I think if Bradford’s not here to start the season, I give Wentz about 5% chance of becoming a decent starter in this league, because he will be rushed into the fire before he’s ready, and it will ruin his confidence. I think Wentz absolutely needs a year on the bench, especially since I don’t see Pederson running a Seattle/Pitt (from 10 years ago) style offense with the QB throwing under 25 passes a game.
They didn’t hire a billion QB coaches to run 50 7-step passes a game. If he has to play this year it will be heavy max protections, moving the pocket, they won’t throw him to the lions.
Eh. I made almost the same argument about Kelly not making an injured Foles throw 45 times a game behind a porous o-line that would have had trouble stopping granny with her walker from getting to the QB, and, well, I’m not so trusting any more.
Especially with a head coach who learned at the knee of the guy who persisted using the Air Morningwheg offense for multiple years.
While agreed… pretty sure you don’t need to give up a future first and second and more picks this year just to get into the top 40.
But if you are going by history… has a trade like this ever actually worked? To get a franchise guy? Vick is about the only one I can think of, and Atlanta didn’t give up a future first (just a single future second, and a third in that year’s draft, to go from 5 to 1), and San DIego drafted a better QB in the second round anyways. Possibly Eli as well but Rivers and Roethlisberger are arguably both better, though I’m sure the Giants don’t regret it given the results.
There is more that goes into it, though. It really depends on the depth and quality of the particular draft as well as what teams at the top consider to be their greatest need. If the teams ahead of us when we were at eight didn’t project to take a QB, then there would be no need to move up. I think the Birds thought they had it all figured out until the Rams traded up and that changed everything for them.
Eagles were widely rumored to be in on #1 as well.
In general, history has not been kind to the teams who were desperate to trade up and gave up a ransom. Quite often overvaluing the top QB just because they were the top QB that year. Sure hope this one is different.
I don’t think these trades really work, but that doesn’t mean one could. They are rare. My concern is more that Wentz does not fit the profile of a successful NFL QB; he slots better into the “imposing physical specimen who never catches up to the speed of the pro game” kind of 2nd stringer guy.
The “hasn’t worked often before but could this time” could also be used as logic for drafting a QB in lower rounds…
The odds are never good in gambling. One could possibly work out an optimal solution, but given the huge benefits of hitting on a top QB, it wouldn’t necessarily add much to the process. Whether you’re playing a low-risk value game or aping the “Process”, we’re talking casino odds all around.
I’d rather risk a 3rd round pick on casino odds (Reid did that almost every year) than a current 1st, 3rd, 4th, future 1st, future 2nd on one roll of the dice, I guess. Just have to hope we luck out I guess, because it’s thrown.
So you’re talking 100% about things called “Exceptions to the rule?” My teams search for a Franchise QB should not include “Boy let’s just wait and hope we get lucky in the 6th round, or who knows maybe a QB will shake free in free agency.” That’s some faith based stuff right there.
They are not all exceptions to the rule.
For example, GB saw an opportunity with Rogers dropping down in the 1st rd and astutely realized grabbing him would be smart since they could let him learn under Favre and take over when he was done. That is not a fluke, that is smart management.
I doubt those teams were thinking or saying let’s just wait and hope we get lucky. Hyperbole aside, I think you’re smarter than that.
I am having a hard time thinking of a team that went this route. What are some teams that were horrible for many years and then rode a jackpot to the playoffs? I have seen it in the NBA (sort of), but not the NFL.
The reason for that is when they are there, teams rarely can be moved off of the pick.
No, I mean what bad teams have ridden a high draft pick that they used, and that player has elevated the team to being good? Besides IND?
Considering the low number of actual “franchise” quarterbacks in the league and the constant desire by most teams to turn over every stone to fine one, I don’t know how many of these “other teams” are that you’re talking about.
Teams with QBs that are franchise or will likely get re-signed after rookie deals
Minny
Bucks
Miami
Cleveland
Oakland
NYG
Skins
Dallas
Seattle
[STL]
San Diego
Tennessee
Pitt
Indy
NE
Carolina
Green Bay
Baltimore
Nola
Atl
[Arizona]
Detriot
Jax
KC
Vacancies
CLE
NYJ
[Buffalo]
Denver
[Philly]
Oh dear, what a list!
Minny: mmm, not really. Bridgewater hasn’t really proven much.
Bucs: OK, new rookie. Jury’s out, but talent is there.
Miami: another “mmmm”. I don’t even think Miami is convinced he’s the guy.
Cleveland: not even worth mentioning
Oakland: Same as bucs, but with slightly more of a track record.
NYG: absolutely yes. But the clock is ticking.
Skins: color me unimpressed, and also not locked up yet. Ask the Broncos how that works out.
Dallas: see NYG, except add in injury risk
Seattle: absolutely yes with no strings attached
STL/LA: Nope. At least, not until maybe tomorrow.
SD: See NYG
TENN: See Bucs
Pitt: See NYG
Indy: Yes. Down year, but yes.
NE: Yes but clock is ticking. 2 more years, tops? At least injury isn’t a risk like Dallas.
Carolina: See SEA
Green Bay: Oh hells yes
Baltimore: yes, but there’s a pause there before answering. And some age to consider
NOLA: See Dallas
ATL: See BALT
Arizona: See Dallas
Detroit: See Indy
JAX: See OAK
KC: Not even sure what to say. Yes? See BALT?
Surefire, no questions asked “franchise” QBs come in 2 varieties: Yes with no questions asked, and Yes but the clock is ticking. That list looks a lot shorter when you narrow it to these two possibilities, and shorter still if you only consider the first possibility.
Lots of teams give up lots of things (picks, FA contracts, etc.) trying to find “the guy”. Only a few at any given time can say they really have the guy who can take them to a SB. The Eagles are no different.
Look at how many players DAL couldn’t sign or resign as they paid their franchise QB. More than a first, second and third.
See my post above – NE, SEA, GB, BALT, DAL, SF, NO, CIN are recent examples of teams that did not need to overpay to move up or be “bad enough” for long enough to stumble upon a franchise QB.
I’d hardly call Dallas, NE, or GB “recent”. SF also does not have their QB problem remotely solve. Oakland would be a better example.
Is it true that their are other ways to get a franchise QB other than at the top of the draft? Sure, but they are so few and far between that it is impractical to bank on that approach,
Recent as in still active players for that team. Kaepernick took his team to 2 NFCCG and a SB before the whole team and front office melted down, that is not all his fault. For a 2nd rd pick, that is pretty good value. I disagree it is not worth pursuing and impractical. We’ll see what happens with Wentz.
SF doesn’t have a Franchise QB. They were starting Gabbert, of all people. Do you know how many QBs Dallas went with between Aikman and Romo? Until last year, Dalton was a mediocre QB, hardly a franchise saving QB.
Again these were examples of players still active on that team’s roster. Kaepernick was certainly considered a franchise QB when the 49ers were making deep runs in the playoffs and going to the SB.
Again, I’m not saying it is easy to acquire a franchise QB; it is clearly not. I’m saying paying a huge price to move up to #2 and then having to pay the guy his slot of roughly $25M guaranteed on top is a big risk and if it does not pan out the team is largely shot for 4-5 years. I’m openly asking if perhaps there are other ways that other teams have used that could have been better. We’ll have to see what happens since we are locked in now.
This 100% is a “jobs are on the line” type move. If the move fails, they’ll need to blow the whole team up in 4 years. That won’t be with Howie or Doug.
Yep, Howie has balls. Could have played it safe, swung for the fences.
isn’t that what Chip Kelly was said to have done while here too?
Yes Kelly did that and it didn’t work out and he was held accountable. He also tried to shift blame with his BS “I’m not the GM” crap near the end of the season.
Not that ballsy when you have the owner in your back pocket
…unless the decision to go all in on these QBs came from above Howie…
You’d think, but… a fun game will be to follow “Teflon” Howie’s career if this fails. I wouldn’t be surprised if he hangs around regardless.
Goff has narrow shoulders just like Matt Ryan
Just curious….who is everyone hoping the cowboys (realistically) draft? I really just don’t want em to snag ramsey.
Bosa
Wouldn’t it be some shit if they added tunsil for RT?
i think they’ll take a cb, get morris claiborne off the roster
I wouldnt mind that. Its why overkill to put so many resources into 1 position. Its like the Rams and DL.
Bosa
I don’t want them to get Elliot
Pretty much anybody but Ramsey.
Buckner would be a pretty hilarious pick.
If SD takes Tunsil, Cowboys will grab Ramsey unless somebody trades up for him.
Elliot and then him to bust out of the league due to drug issues.
I will cheer my ass off if Dallas takes the suped up Trent Murphy, Joey Bosa!!
The word down here is Ramsey if he’s there. If that’s the case, I hope his career trajectory is the same as Mo Clairborne.
I’m ready to go all in on Chase Daniels.
until you watch the first game
Maybe we can still trade for Webb.
As much as your stones get broken over Mr. Webb, we do need somebody to back up Daniel if Bradford is traded. I don’t want any rookie QB to be higher than a 3rd stringer until we decide he’s ready to play.
I thought you said Webb wasn’t available because he was the true double-secret backup to Cam with the white guy serving as a placeholder to keep up appearances?
Let. It. Go.
“It will be interesting to see if the Eagles draft an OT, OG or C/G.”
And essentially tell Dennis Kelly they don’t think he’s their depth lineman of the future? That’s just asking for trouble.
Yeah, don’t expect DENisS to show up to camp if they pull that one. Such a move would be insensitive to his feelings.
确实不错，这个要实话实说！
Happy draft day from Blighty! It seems the first present is poorly wrapped, looking remarkably six foot fivish and with a ND post mark. Boy, I remember when these days used to be ‘a day’ and full of surprises! 🙂
It’s going to make a refreshing change not having to stay up until 3am+ to watch our pick!
Really hoping a Bradford trade is consummated before draft begins, would be nice to know that we’ll have an additional 2016 pick and/or player
hoping no trade, i really like sammy b. howie has a lot to lose w/ no sam.
how can you like sammy the coward?
spiral looks so pretty, if only players could catch.
That has the makings of a Haiku.
Me too, but now I have a question. Assuming that BLG’s analysis is correct, and Sammy is all in on alienating Philly fan base to force HR’s hand…how does that go down w/rookie HC and teammates? I’m sure Eagles FO will want it to be forgotten ASAP, but BS in a locker room = issues on the field.
I hope they dont like anyone in round 2 and send us that pick.
I agree, but we might get stuck waiting for Howie to have to work multiple angles after a few team miss on Lynch and we get a bidder other than Denver.
Could be a 2017 pick.
Man, the Anthony Davis story is pretty interesting, too. Seems like San Francisco has turned into Oakland as far as despised management goes. Let’s hope the Eagles aren’t developing the same rep such that all we can get now are Byron Maxwells at max price FAs.
think that was chip kelly, notice dysfunction has followed him
You’ve seen Geep Chryst try to call a game, right?
You mean Davis who quit on his team after they fired Harbaugh is now complaining and want released of his contract so he can sign with a winning team?
Generally speaking; who does Kubiak want to have as his QB for the season?
– Sanchez?
– rookie other than Goff / Wentz
– Bradford
– Kaep
– Fitzy
Or is somebody we don’t know about going to be available?
– Glennon
– Tie Rod Taylor
Something HUGE
– Brees to Denver (and an agreement on a new contract) for D. Thomas, pick 31, etc. if New Orleans decides to go into rebuild mode with Lynch.
I just don’t know who Kubiak really wants to QB his team.
I’d love the drama of Brees getting traded.
Dude is also adored in New Orleans. He may be the most loved sports figure in an single American city.
that would be fun to see, I think Fitz is better than Bradford just dont think theyd pay what he wants. Theyd just overpay Kaep if that was the case
I think ideally Kubiak would prefer Kap. Kubiak is a Shannahan disciple so his ideal scheme is heavy stretch/boot.
I’ll have to catch y’all post round one. I don’t post from work and will be watching the draft with a gang of friends away from my computer.
A final stab with a mock featuring one trade down
Round 1 Pick 2: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 27 (SEA): Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (A-)
Round 4 Pick 26 (SEA): Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (D)
Round 5 Pick 14: Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU (A)
Round 5 Pick 25: Kavon Frazier, FS, Central Michigan (B+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Keith Marshall, RB, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Victor Ochi, OLB, Stony Brook (B-)
How does Joe Haeg rate so poorly as a fourth round selection I wonder?
Grades are based on CBS draft board who has him ranked as a 6th round guy. Grades are based on perceived value on pick position vs graded position. The goal is to get guys later than they are ranked and not getting the best players.
Yes, I guess I gathered as much. I am just surprised that he is ranked as a sixth round guy.
I could easily get on board with this
This would infuriate me…. Gotta do a better job addressing our weak Backüp DT rotation than that..
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I agree with taking a OT, but Absurd to take a Guard before a DT
Like it aside from Frazier,Ioannidis, and Marshall. Sub Kwiatkowski, Steven Daniels, and Mike Thomas in there and you got a deal.
And guys I hope we wind up getting in some way shape or form
o-line: Westerman, Haeg, Glasgow, McGovern, Semalou (sp)
D-line: Ngakoue,
OLB: Feeney
CB: Rashard Robinson
Good morning chaps
Christmas is finally here. May all your wishes come true. It’s Draft Day baby!!!
Wondering if there will be any surprises gifts today….we’ve been well behaved…we’ve been ok..well not all of us. Oh hell, we ain’t getting shit….
Keeping Bradford at this point is like coal in the stocking.
Patrick Causey
@Seventeen_Rings
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Shefty on Mike & Mike: as of right now it looks like Sam Bradford will not be traded by the #Eagles
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Good, not taking any crappy compensation
dont know what you guys are saying, who cares, get rid of him for a 4th, a bag of rocks, I dont care. Not my money, Id rather get another pick. Only thing I get is having him to protect the rookie, otherwise just move on.
You act like today is the only time we will ever be able to get value for SAM… We better not bail out ELWAY… If he wants SAM, he has to pay at least what we paid when he was coming off two ACLs and no one knew if his knee could get thru a season. Not to mention his contract situation is more Favorable now than when we traded for him…. We paid Foles(3rd round rookie contract) and a 2nd… So unless they are giving up Bradly Roby and their 3rd(which is essentially a 4th round pick), łet ELWAY start wasting his window to win with that defense…. Fuck Elway, tried to bargain shop QBs all offseason and now wants to strong arm us for cheap, fuck that. Elway can pay up, or we can wish him good luck with Sanchez who is a turnover waiting to happen, and that loser Kapernick
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ya I know, hope Howie is doing just that and hedging to get more. Fine if that is the case but I wonder if they dont really want him to stay and play this season. Wouldnt hate Wentz seeing some action late season with his age and think his development isnt as far back as some think. In fact Ive read some think he may be ahead of the curve in terms of setting protections and reading a D and then theres his age. I dont put much into that but Im kind of mixed on protecting him vs getting him action or more practice reps as a 2.
Sounds like Eagles won’t budge off demands
Good we would be fools to dump him for cheap
high picks (multiple) or screw him, he can get booed 8 games this year.
A 4th round pick for SAM is laughable.. Especially the Broncos 4th which is basically an early 5th round pick..
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Unless denver includes Bradley Roby, I don’t want to give them Bradford
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right!! We better get quality compensation if we are going to give up SAM… No low ball offers… If we don’t get close to what we gave up for him, im happy to hold onto SAM Til next offseason, or until someone steps up with an offer that makes real sense for us
Hey guys. I’m gonna put this up in a couple different spots so sorry in advance.
I have 4 tickets to the Eagles official draft party at NovaCare tonight. If anyone’s interested, they’re free. The coach and a couple former players are supposed to make an appearance. Food, drink, etc. If you want some or all of ’em you can reply with an email address you’d want me to use to send them to you. I thought Disqus had a PM function but it doesn’t…
desh2795@gmail.com
How many do you want?
I’ll take all 4
Done. You should have them now
Got them. Thank you, my friend.
No problem
Cool offer.
#WentzWagon is trending on Twitter
So, if Howie is able to get us a second round pick for Bradford, does that make the Foles/Bradford trade not so bad? Essentially, all we would have given up in that case would be Foles and a shit-ton (metric unit) of money. Add to that the fact that we could resign Foles next week.
it makes it not bad in the sense that we can erase it from our collective history but not in the sense that it’s a less stupid trade than it was when chip made it
I would say it makes us the clear winners.
I told my wife that this evening is going to be very exciting from 8:00 until 8:04. She said she thinks she will have a headache tonight. I guess the draft excitement is getting to her as well.
The Rams will probably take the full time allotment to make their pick at 8:10. I say the Eagles pick is in at 8:19.
8:00 to 8:04 was just Mrs. A_T_G’s allotted “excitement” time. Hence the headache.
I’ve watched enough drafts to know that both the Rams and Eagles will spend all 10 minutes making their pick, so 8:04 is quite optimistic. Also, if they have the same setup as last year it will take Goodell a good 5 minutes to make his way to the stage to announce the picks
Funny you say that, she also commented that 8:04 seemed pretty optimistic.
i told my wife it was draft night and she said”ohhhhh boy” all sarcastic like that
I just dropped wife and kid off at airport. She even said, perfect honey you can watch the draft and I wont be bothered
nice move sending them out of town
just lucky timing on my part. Also got the boys over for poker night Sat so taking full advantage
women… why cant they understand grown mens’ obsession with watching a televised meat market…
Estrogen is a weird thing.
It does give us boobs, and for that I am eternally grateful.
Women are strange and mysterious. Certainly they are the more beautiful of our species.
And the more dangerous.
Damn… my wife has sort of “encouraged” me to watch The Ascent of Woman with her (I keep calling it Scent of a Woman), a BBC series about, well, essentially, the oppression of women throughout history. It is kind of sad, but your comment (though obviously playful) has been repeated in many noxious forms since ancient times. “Pandora’s Box” was not about a box, and they weren’t kidding about it!
did they talk about Mary Magdalene
Maybe… I… well, didn’t catch all of it. Couch being very comfortable…
Ever since that apple.
I think everyone can agree on that.
Not everyone. ‘Not that there’s anything wrong with that.’
I know the reference.
Cheesesteaks give me boobs, but I dig what you’re saying.
I wonder if the Romans’ gladiator slave trade was followed as obsessively by the patricians.
It would be tough for me to be as invested. Hard to pick a favorite guy when they probably die the next week.
Agreed. Too much like college football.
Well, they weren’t quite as deadly as usually thought. Maybe 1/5 or 1/10 to the death, the rest would end at a good wound or a concession. The very successful (elite) ones could retire in luxury, be friends with the emperors, and were similar to modern sports heroes (one would think with less sense of entitlement).
Don’t let facts get in the way of a bad joke!
Wonder what the draft was like?
My wife has a word for me after draft night, or similar alcohol-fueled evenings: “cumbersome”.
Until that last sentence, I was thinking you were talking about something else entirely different than the draft possibly . . .
I’d take a 4th rounder this year, and a 3rd next year that becomes a second if Bradford plays more than 50% of the team’s offensive snaps. Sounds about fair to me. Then we sign Hoyer or Fitzpatrick to start for 2 years while Wentz is learning. Or someone…
Boy do you waive the white flag easy… I’d love to play poker or negotiate against you 🙂
the Eagles are not signing Fitz. Eat some of Sam’s signing AND overpay for Fitz can not be good business…
Trouble in 49er “paradise”..
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“Retired” RT Anthony Davis tweeted “I do not want to work with a front office or anyone who seemingly doesn’t want to win as bad as I do”..
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Taylor Hart for Anthony Davis? Lol if only chip had control of personnel
isnt he retired? im confused.
He retired at the age of 25, when he was one of the top young RT… He wants to be reinstated, but HASNT filled out the paperwork yet because he wants out of San fran, or ATleast drag his feet on filing the reinstatement papers to miss part of the niners offseason training. He has only been out of the gane for a year, two at the most
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/725679785456885761
good, i love the spite with which Howie runs things. Man after my own heart.
Roseman Rules with an Iron Fist, and a voice of a 12yr old schoolgirl… Love it!
Better than ruling with the fist of a 12 year-old schoolgirl with a voice of iron.
Can’t help but think this sounds like Broncos also trying to limit the market. Certainly still may nor trade Bradford, but not sure I’m ready to take this report at its word entirely.
I would think they can get Glennon or Kap for less than what Roseman would require for Bradford
Agreed. The question is, do they want either of those guys more than Bradford.
*adjust for compensation needed*
Seems like they been trying to bargain shop QBs all offseason, and care more about getting someone for cheap, than to get the best QB possible… But who knows
then let em go into season with Sanchez and Cook. They and their fans think that D can ride them to the promise land again, they are crazy if they ignore QB and treat it as a throwaway
Exactly… You get what you pay for in life, Elway trying to circumvent that….. I want to see them go into the season with Garbage Sanchez, and Kapernick vs Cook competing for who is the worse leader of the two.. One slept with teammate Aldon Smiths ex girlfriend and almost started a riot at niners practice to the point that the entire team was sent home, and the other is like the QB from the Kevin Costner draft day movie who falls on draft night because none of his teammates went to his birthday party..
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If Elway isn’t willing to pay up for SAM now, we could revisit the trade next offseason if Bradford has a big year, will be on an expiring comtract… If Elway is going to waste a season with Sanchez, Kapernick, Cook or Hackenberg, odds are he may still end up wanting to trade for SAM next offseason…..
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Should be pointed out, the draft is not the only opportunity we have to trade Bradford this offseason. It does mean having to wait a year to use the picks, but still could get good value because at that point teams have fewer options.
And we have some future picks it would be nice to recoup, at least partially.
Yup… Since it’s clear that Bradford is only temporary, we have this offseason and next offseason to get as much value for him as possible, since we are losing picks in the next 3 drafts.. So we need to get as much value as we possibly can from any of the next 3 drafts… For example, if Elway said something crazy like you can have a 3rd In this draft, 2nd in next years draft,or a 1st in 2018, it would be a no BRAINER to punt and take the first in 3 years. While it be great to recoup picks for this draft, we need to recoup picks for next yeàr and the year after so we shouldn’t be short sited about it…. I wouldnt hesistate to pass on. 3rd rd pick now for a 2nd next year..
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We basically need to use the next 3 drafts to build a team Wentz can contend with, since it will take rookies 3-5 years of continuity before they can completely master an offense and adjust to the new level and speed of the game… No point in being short sited now that we are grooming a young QB… Hopefully by 2019 we have a roster in place to sorround Wentz similar to what the Panthers built for Cam Last year…gotta time it correctly so that our Roster building peaks 4-5 years from now When Wentz enters his pro prime
Absolutely….we have this offseason, and next offseason to try and use Bradford to recoup as much value as possible. There is no reason whatsoever to take some low ball offer now… If a quality offer comes around, pull the trigger. If not hold on to SAM, and try to build his value up for next offseason… He is one of our best opportunities to recoup some picks/value. No reason to rush and waste that… We are at least a year away from becoming desperate enough to dump him for less than we want in return..
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Even if SAM stays healthy, odds are he will miss a game or two like last year. If he ends up having to miss a game during the second half of the season, we can opt to play Wentz instead of Chase if we are blown away by how fast Wentz has developed.. If Wentz isn’t ready, we play chase… No big deal…. We damn sure SHOULDNT accept shit in return so that Bradford and Elway can try to win a Super Bowl.
Definitely agree that we shouldn’t take a low ball offer for Bradford. But one thing that should be kept in mind is the fact that there is no guarantee Bradford plays well this season or stays healthy. In other words, we don’t know if his value right now is at its peak moving forward or if he can have a quality season and have next year be when he returns better value. The Eagles will have to factor the offers they are getting now against the expected value next year rather than just hope he improves his value by playing well.
you just can’t assume the D plays as well.
posturing on Denver’s part. sounds like they’re pretty bitter about the price but know they either pay it or kiss next season goodbye.
I couldn’t agree more.
Elway has to be asking himself, is Bradford or Kaep better then any QB he could pick at 31 or later (Hack, Cook, Prescott, Hogan)? I doubt Lynch slides to 31.
He could choose one of those guys with his 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick (depending whose available) and have them compete with Sanchez. Odds are that Sanchez would win the job.
If Elway chooses to trade up, using the draft trade chart, the best Elway could trade up to is roughly pick 18 if he packaged his first and second round pick to Indy. Now he has to ask himself, is trading a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round pick for Bradford or Kaep better than Sanchez vs some 2nd rate rookie taken at pick 31, 63, or 94 (Denver’s spots on the first 3 rounds).
plus Bradford and kap are battle tested. A rookie might take some time to adjust and by that time the defense has aged or left for free agency. His window is tight and a losing seaon after the super bowl will put Elway on the hot seat.
Think any deal will happen during the draft. If teams take QB’s for the future like the Saints / Cardinals / Chiefs, the Bronco’s may run out of options fast. If QB’s fall and jets or Bronco’s get to draft young a QB they are comfortable starting then the market will die a death.
Those aren’t QBs that can start as rookies, and they probably won’t be winning a Super Bowl in yeàr two…. I think Denver NEEDS a legit starter to not waste the next two years, And they need to draft a kid they can start grooming.
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If denver drafts lynch, Cook or Hack, I still think they will trade for someone like Kap or Glennon… They need both, unless they are completely delusional and think they can contend with Sanchez the next two years
right I don’t understand how Denver drafting any of these guys lets them compete in 2016 and 2017 more than Mark Sanchez.
It doesn’t. But, it may placate the fan base.
Yeah I would think they try to draft one, AND add someone like Kap, Glennon, FOles to compete with Marky mark and the funky bunch
I never thought of that.
Foles could do it with Denver!
go Foels!
What compensation would make you happy to trade Bradford?
My ignorant desires: 2nd this year, or 3-4 this year 2-3 next year. I know those are highly unlikely, but if you believe Chip (and he seems to simple to make this up anymore) someone wanted to offer a 1 last year. His stock should be higher now than it was a year ago.
Since these won’t happen I prefer to force him to win us the SB this year.
I guess now Condon drops out of reach for a week and nobody hears anything close to his excoriating vitriol for all things Eagles – until it serves another client’s interests.
Im shocked he isn’t trying to make more noise today and tomorrow since it’s probably his last chance to try and get us to accept a lowball offer since he already found out that the lack of market for SAM most likely means that a team won’t offer the Eagles close to what we are looking for to pull the trigger on a Sam trade..
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all he can do now, is try to convince someone like Elway to up his offer for Sam, or try to kick and scream and continue to pressure Roseman into trading him for whatever we can get in return… Good luck with the Later, chip is gone, Value means something in Philly again…
Miraculously no prospects got themselves arrested this week, and no one failed a combine drug test
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#progress?
The song for tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA
Sung by Howie to Kelly? “Well if you told me you were drowning, I would not lend a hand.”
Lurie to Howie if Wentz doesn’t pan out
The discussion about timing got me to thinking about a lottery. What’s your pick (get it) for the time the Eagles will pick?
I say: 8:16pm.
8:19
8:24
This sounds like something I could bet on in Vegas.
Unless a team makes an offer that really makes sense, I do not want to see Sam traded away because Wentz to me looks like he lacks polish, and I don’t want to be in a position where tiny Chase Daniel is one hit away from having to throw Wentz into the fire…. I really want Wentz and would be pretty bummed if we end up with Goff
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However, if we end up with Goff, Id be more willing to dump Bradford for whatever we can get because while I do expect Wentz to reach a higher level than Goff 4 years from now, Goff is way more NFL ready at the moment and I don’t think Goff needs to be redshirted… So Bradford makes much more sense to me if we,draft Wentz.. But if we end up with Goff, just let Chase Start the season and have Goff step in and play week 8
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because I think goff is more game ready, I think the Rams have to take him… You can be Patient with Wentz if you have a guy like Bradford…good luck trying to be patient with Wentz if all you have is Case Keenum. This provides a unique opportunity where we could end up with the Better QB prospect, because the Rams need their rookie to play much sooner than we need ours to take over
Ya know.. Mayock thought Clausen was a top 10 pick. Not so sure how much I like his endorsement.
think wentz eval is way overblown
ha I was just thinking, now Mayock is on top of the mountain with his own show etc. Only a matter of years before everyone hates him because of that, and points out bad picks and predictions he made. Well, I was way off on my timeline it seems
Nah man, of all the drafnicks Mayock is the only one that I really like like at all. He is the only one who gets any sort of respect from real scouts, played the game at a high level, and really does form his own opinions. Other guys seem to build connections to agents and hype the guys that they are told to hype.
In his defense he seems much more enthusiastic about Wentz, but that could be because he 1) Loves Philly 2) Knows he is going top 2.
It was a pretty tounge in check comment. Besides, “hate” is a real strong word.
ya I like him a lot also but you know how these things work. Not saying you hate him but if he is the top guy for a bunch of years, like I think he is becoming or about there then people just love to build em up and knock em down is all.
Yeah, and Danny Watkins was old but a surefire pro bowl RG, while nobody could understand why Lane Johnson the massive prospect was even mentioned in the same sentence as Joeckel and Fisher and Aaron Curry was the safest pick in any draft and would lock down an All-Pro OLB for the 15 years he was in the league.
Yet Danny Watkins was the hugest of bust, Lane Johnson the project turned out to be better both short and long term than any of the other top 3 OTs by a fucking landslide and Aaron Curry wasn’t so safe after all.
I’m getting real tired of this shit about Goff being so pro ready and Wentz being a massive prospect, and how the Rams are getting a player ready to start, i’m actually cheering more for Goff to just come in and completely suck with no chance of adjusting to the game, or even better dropping to us and hearing all about how the Rams fucked up with this surefire HoF QB, only for Wentz to do a Wilson and Goff to do a Leaf. Wheres all these non-prospects in the NFL?
Like Goff better, I couldn’t give a shit, but jesus christ all this shit about what Goff CAN do now that Wentz can’t, but when we talk about potentially what Wentz might be able to end up doing that Goff probably won’t, then is all, oh yeah well its all potential and he probably isn’t gonna end up that good and thats a lot of development and we can’t know for sure that we’ll continue on this track of getting better. Yeah, no shit is potential, but we can be sure of how well Goff will play immediately?
Is everyone hating on Wentz nationally? I literally pay zero attention to national outlets.
Don’t know, but I can already see Eagles fandom circling the wagons here, pre-emptively bringing the hate to those who dare to doubt “our guy”.
no doubt, release the hounds. I think its funny though because I dont mind reading the negatives. Both these guys could end up as duds. I like the move and am hoping for the best. At this point, its just a guessing game for I told you so’s later
Once he’s ours, I’m gonna cheer for him, I just don’t do suspension of disbelief and cognitive dissonance that well.
What is the website that has composite rankings of the different sites?
“Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State – Wentz comes with great intangibles and is a naturally accurate thrower. Pairing him with QB guru Doug Pederson would aid Wentz’s steep learning curve as he transitions from the FCS.” mcshay.
it’s a real disservice to the public that these guys are employed.
every draft guy is going to have a ton of misses, nature of the beast. I can laugh at QB guru though, cmon
Just curious what the general census is here. Is it more difficult to transition from a FBS spread offense to the NFL, or a FCS pro-style offense to the NFL? I would think it’s the former.
depends on who we pick! If Wentz definitely the latter.
I think its hearder to transition from air raid to NFL than pro style to NFL, but I think Goff is still the better prospect
Why is Goff the better prospect? He’s slower, has a weaker arm is smaller, has smaller hands, has narrow shoulders, is shorter, and has worse combine times in all the drills.
And when QBing becomes about the underwear test that will matter.
What QB’ing is about is winning games though. Jared Goff is not a winner by any stretch of the imagination. His first season they went 1-11 (ouch). Then, 5-7 in 2014, then 7-5 in 2015. The good college schools usually are 11-3 or even better. Those are very bad records. I don’t want another QB who doesn’t really have winning seasons under his belt.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
Let’s just draft Bama’s QB.
This is a bad argument.
You don’t think wins matter?
Put Tom fucking Brady on Idaho and they aren’t winning 5 games in the FBS.
He has better accuracy, he has better decision making, he’s stronger mentally. But ya know, being a quarterback is about the .05 second difference in 40 times.
Did you see Bradys pro day?
Why isn’t JJ Watt the best QB in the NFL?
He’s got big hands, wide shoulders, can throw the ball a million miles, is tall, and has better combine times than most QBs.
???
What translates better to the NFL: being able to throw the ball 50 times a game, manipulating defenses, and pocket presence
or
throwing 20 play action passes with a dominant run game?
I do think Goff is the better QB and somehow still hope the Rams take Wentz, but overall I think Air raid translate worse because there is so many things like the weird pass pro sets or super wide splits that isnt used at all in the NFL.
Tricky question. Think Wentz is more prepared to run a Westcoast offense, than Goffs ( spread background) because of the pro style background in North Dakota that Wentz was exposed to, But Wentz may have a bigger/tougher transition from throwing into college windows to throwing in NFL windows
I heard one report saying that a Wentz weakness was throwing the ball into windows that were “too small.” Which got me thinking about how often we hear about how “small the window is” for passing in the NFL. And then had me wondering if these guys really know what they’re talking about, or if it’s all pretty close to 100% subjective.
Wouldn’t even venture a guess. My question is how many top prospects are ever playing in the FCS anyway? How have they done?
At QB? Joe Flacco and Tony Romo seem to have done OK coming out of the FCS
Yeah those are the only two I could come up with. Where are the misses!
The guy that kept Wentz on the bench was a miss. UDFA that was cut twice his rookie preseason, then went to Canada.
Is it a strike if there isn’t a batter in the box? Really mean guys that were highly touted and missed from the conference.
Yeah, I got nothing.
I think it’ll matter for the first year but coaches should know the strength/weaknesses of his guy in the first place. Adjusting to game speed is more important IMO.
FCS.
And “pro style” is a spread.
And 74% of Wentz’s passes came from the gun or pistol.
I was referring to the type of offensive system, not offensive formations.
Sure does feel like anyone in the world can do McShay’s job at at least an equal level. I said how I feel about Mayock earlier (like em enough), and Mel started the whole damn thing so you have to respect that. McShay is literally just a Mel copycat. Such a tool.
Hopefully THATS true because he has like 9 guys rated ahead of these two QBs
Not so sure I disagree there lol…but I know nothing.
Ok jon snow..
If the Rams really want Goff and the Eagles really want Wentz, I guess I should be happy that the Rams ARENT trying to get cute, trying to bluff us into giving up some value to secure Wentz, or trying to hold Wentz hostage… Of course that could blow up in their face if Roseman really does like Goff as much as Wentz.
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We will never know the truth, but hopefully it works out so that we end up with the guy we really do prefer without having to give the Rams anything…. This situation makes me think of when Pederson was openly ravening about Wentz much more than he was talking up Goff, and Howie gave Pederson this look like “are you fucking serious right now, being so transparent with your words?”.. The more seasoned Roseman has done a good job painting a picture where he really doesn’t care who falls to #2, but the less experienced Pederson may have tipped us off that it may not be the case and we really have one firmly ahead of the other(Wentz).. Think Roseman maintaing his poker face has been trying to protect us from the Rams trying to get cute and extort us for extra value
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Just my impression from a far
I can see Howie in private telling Pederson – you have to learn how to answer questions without answering the questions!
Think that also Probably factors into Pedersons struggles when talking to the media. probably used to speaking openly and honestly and he gets flustered in front of the media when he catches himself saying too much.. And his struggles are that he still learning to transition from being a straight shooter to now essentially becoming a politician having to learn to speak without saying much… I would think this time next year There should be a significant difference with how much Pederson handles the media compared to his struggles in this first offseason of his head coaching career
Myles Jack may have said the dumbest thing I ever heard a prospect say in the history of draft week…. Im sure his agent wanted to rip his hair out. After all the questions sorrounding his knee, this young fool gave some uninspiring answer about how he may have to have microfracture surgery down the line, and the length of an NFL career is only 3 years anyway? Geez kid, either you made bonehead mistake, or your agent did a piss poor job of preparing you for this week
NFL teams already knew so why are you surprised?
Exactly. Who cares?
I dont know, it couldnt help that he just spouts off like that. There may have been questions and uncertainty but then you hear him say it. That cant be a good thing
You can be sure his agent cringed when he said that.. Pretending otherwise is laughable
Omg he said something out loud that NFL teams with their multitudes of medical personel, interviews, and scans already knew! What a dummy!
Because of the level that goes into coaching and prepping the top prospects this time of year by their agents… But We can pretend thats not the case if you’d like
Seems like he did fine to me. After all, he made it to the draft without being arrested or injured.
Peter King mocks him to the Giants. that would worry me.
Now what willl the LockkerROOM think???? THESE MEN don’t want to go into WAR with a guy like this! I feel bad for the VETERANS in that Lockrromm!
Right? Something like that?
No no no you don’t GeT ITtTT!
SoMETinG TeAMZ knOw is now public knowledge, and apparently if it wasn’t public knowledge he would be drafted higher, despite, you know, the teams already knowing.
WHAT IT GONNA DO TO hIS MoCK drufftt statis?! Dummmmm
I could see Chip Kelly drafting and him and then calling him a pu$$y because he won’t play when he’s injured.
Rub some more smoothie on that knee… it’ll be fine.
I just think he is being honest and truthful. It is refreshing to see a young man know exactly what this injury means to his career instead of being blinded by everything and then becoming resentful when he does drop.
Better to hear it from the man himself instead of a bunch of media people slinging poop at each other over this issue.
Think he was better served waiting Til tomorrow to be honest. Especially if he isn’t going to have a long career, important that he makes as much money as possible with the time he has. I assume he will have a family to support
Nah mate. It was all calculated. He wants to fall to pick no. 79. 😉
RE: potential trade with Denver (or anyone) for Sammy.
At this stage of the game, assuming the Eagles want a 2nd round pick… wouldn’t it be foolhardy to trade that pick before you know what players are available with that pick?
If I’m in Elway’s shoes, I’d have a variety of offers I’m theoretically willing to make (if he even wants Bradford). If a player I covet is available at my pick in the 2nd round, then I take the player, and transition to a different offer… could be adding a current player to a mid round pick, or a combination of late picks, or picks next year. If I’m not particularly enthralled with the 2nd round choices available, then maybe I offer that pick for Bradford straight up.
I just don’t see a way we’ll really know until shots are being fired during the actual draft.
your opinion is reasonable and, therefore, boring. this is draft day you should claim your cousin knows a scout and he said something crazy
Well I’ve been to Fargo, now it may have been 11 years ago, and I stayed in some boring hotel while my parents were at a conference, but my sources say…
We’re taking a kicker with our 3rd round pick!!!!!!
And Tom Hacket at number 2!
Air Horns! GImme a beat DJ!
You can never have too many kickers.
Or is it a team with three good kickers has zero good kickers?
That’s my fantasy motto!
oh lort
J. Matt, Nelson, Sproles and Howie for Fitzgerald, Palmer, and C. Johnson AND a conditional 7th round pick.
How’s that for spicy?
delish
The trick is to LOOK at the sheep’s bladder to see the future. Clearly, you’ve been EATING it raw, which only produces intestinal distress and delusions.
True, but it also cuts both ways. If you wait until you’re on the clock, and the Eagles can see who is left, perhaps they don’t like any of them, and say forget it.
That could easily happen, but I think it’s much easier for Denver to “sweeten the deal” a bit than it is for the Eagles. Adding a late round pick or even a next year mid to late pick would likely be enough.
Not trading Sam Bradford is so boring.
It’s probably the right move, as long as Sam keeps his head on straight next year.
But it’s boring. I want all the picks this year.
Hey I heard we traded up to 8 so that we can trade down a get the 2nd rounder back for Bradford. Rams at 15 is the most logical spot, literally get pick 15 and our own 2nd rounder back. That’s why we traded Maxwell and Alonso.
Now you’re talking!
Trades + picks + trades + picks.
IT”S DRAFT TIME BABY.
Whatever. Guess I’ll just go back to watching Carson Wentz fire lasers from his hands on draft breakdown.
I’m off to cry at the feet of my Goff shrine.
Whatevs.
Totally handling this rationally.
Yep.
I want to die.
whatever, he’ll be ruined in STL- you can get him in 3 years for a 2nd.
well . . . for foles and a second anyway
Run the ball and play defense. He should be ok if they don’t have him playing hero ball
He’s got one of the RBs in the game and a shiny new QB and they’re still going to go 8-8. I wouldn’t be surprised if they Ken Wisenhunted him this year. # newbeginnings
Well Fisher is still the coach… so
i thought they fired ken mid-season
Fisher will outlast Pederson
They’re just keeping him through the move to LA because he’s the only head coach with real experience with a team moving cities.
You know this just made me realize. Jeff Fisher is going to have his 2nd top drafted QB in his career. How many guys get that chance?
This dude really does have a horse shoe somewhere near his back pocket.
Takes a dark lord to get so many top ten picks.
Darn eagles refuse to bow to the dark lord.
BLUE lasers!
I just want a QB with frickin laser beams attached to his head.
To the Goff supporters: 2013: 1-11, 2014: 5-7, 2015: 7-5. That is embarrassingly bad for a top college program.
I dont know, I use the same excuses when folks bring up Wentz’s college level and other weaknesses. Per the moxy, clutch factor it rates low though lol, they need a spider chart for that
Shoulda kept Tebow then. He was just a winner!!!!
I think you dropped the Mic. Did you drop the Mic. Please drop the Mic.
I’m not advocating picking people because they were on winning teams, I’m only saying that being a part of a losing organization should be a deduct. There’s something to be said about people who are winners and people who aren’t.
TIM TEBOW IS A WINNER DAMNIT!
If you’re saying that being part of a winning team doesn’t affect value, then it makes no sense to turn around and say that being on a losing team affects value.
Either the team’s win/loss record is useful in evaluating a player’s projection to the NFL, or it is not. End of story. You’re making a ridiculous argument.
Stop.
Wentz inherited a dynasty, the QB before him beat 3 FBS teams and lost 2 games. NDSU is better than the teams they played.
Goff arrived as a freshman, on a team with a brand new coach, with a massive system overhaul, half the team had transferred out, playing in a the second best conference in all football, had zero defense through his entire tenure.
NFL players each played with:
Goff:
Khairi Fortt (out of league after 2 years)
Richard Rodgers
Kenny Lawler
Daniel Lasco
Wentz:
Billy Turner
Crockett Gilmore
Marcus Williams
Kyle Emmanuel
Joe Haeg
So lets compare what they had to work with respectively compared to what they had to face.
Whether by an inch or a mile, winning is winning
http://i.imgur.com/YWKsg5C.jpg
So let’s draft Jacob Coker.
just let me meme bro
Maybe we can talk Greg McElroy out of doing media stuff.
*D3FB furiously scanning college footballs winningest quarterback list for hilarious names*
Literally doing this.
Probably should just trade pick number 2 for the winningest college QB of all time: Kellen Moore.
Yes your jokes are funny and I see your point, I do, but you don’t pick people because they were on winning teams, you just deduct those who are losers. And you can’t deny that 13-23 college record is a big time loser.
http://i.imgur.com/dKATcG3.jpg
Or you can be a rational adult and see that he got better each year and as he did his team got better.
But yes, let’s hold him accountable for starting as a freshman on a hilariously bad team.
Probably some stink wore off or something.
Maybe it’s the water.
Wait, the water stinks in SoCal, or is it NorCal… Narwhal?
Are you sure they even have water in California?
Oh snap! You figured it out Mac! Jared Goff and his losering loserness has caused the California drought. Him being a loser is literally causing wildfires. It’s God’s way of punishing them.
Correlation does not imply causation.
It is true that Goff has been in California playing QB, and it is true that those years have been some of the worst drought years in history, but that doesn’t guarantee that Goff is the cause of the droughts.
There is certainly still a statistically plausible chance that bringing Goff to PA will not result in pestilence and disaster for our ecosystem. Sure, it looks bad, but you need to have faith, right?
>Rational Adult
>Eagles Fan
Pick one
I’ll take what is a false dichotomy for 800 Alex.
“If you ain’t first, you’re last.”
“Oh hell, Ricky, I was high when I said that. That doesn’t make any sense at all. ‘You’re first or last.’ You can be second, you can be third, fourth. Hell, you can even be fifth.”
Dallas will NEVER give him up.. hes about to break out!
Wish I understood the way people use meme. I’m not that old! I don’t use social media, but I use the internet!
someone crying jordan this fool
http://i.imgur.com/pn4EPxH.jpg
I dont get it, but I think I have to make that my avatar.
Does this avatar make me seem even older? I hope so. Sooner or later ill be old enough to do whatever I want and have it written off as old guy behavior.
So you are saying the school that is better at evaluating talent chose Wentz and the one that is less good at it picked Goff?
Exactly. History and context are crucial.
What a load of Bull!!!
Don’t believe anything what you read in the media today, on frigging draft day.
Of course the Broncos are not in on Bradford, of course the Eagles are not trading him.
It’s gonna be so exciting! Get your popcorn ready, ladies and gents.
What do you think he’s worth? A 4th or 3rd?
With the favorable contract that he has, maybe a 2nd. A 4th seems pretty crappy. You have to consider we gave up a 2nd pick and a player for him last year, after his ACL tear and on a worse contract situation. This trade should be far more favorable for the other party than it was for us in 2015.
We traded a 2nd a player and ate $16m of cap when we got him. Can’t see use trading him, when he’s coming off his best year for less compensation.
I think at the end of the day Sammy will be a B.ronco for a 3rd this year and a conditional 3rd next year.
I could live with that. I would still rather him play for us this year though.
The problem is I don’t currently see any way he’d be jumping over the bridge he has just burnt with Philly.
Perhaps he burn’t the bridge and Howie tricked him to thinking he was on the otherside….but he turns around and HES STILL HERE, with no escape! (demonic laughing)
I can’t imagine this is going over well in the locker room with the other players, and that is not good for Sam.
Seriously, aren’t the fans going to just boo him continuously the entire time he plays? I don’t see how he can play for this team anymore
Not unless he sucks, but if you ask him that isn’t a possible outcome.
No fans boo when we win.
Preseason sam is like Peyton, everyone will love him.
He’s going to get booed anyway if he’s losing – did you watch last season?
That alone will be worth the price of admission
That’s what I was saying. The only good news is that it’s kinda quite some time until September. But Eagles fans are unforgiving.
I’m so confused with how people determine his worth. Last year with 1 year remaining on his deal with a cap hit of $12.5M and not having played in almost 2 full years, he was worth a 2nd and Nick Foles (a starting QB at the time). And, reportedly the Browns were offering a late first round pick.
After staying relatively healthy throughout the year and playing as well as he ever has in a truly dysfunctional offense, with two years left on his deal and only a $7M cap hit, his value drops to a third round pick and a conditional third next year?
Yeah people are nuts,,, we have two years to try and trade him for as much as possible. We would be foolish to dump him so quickily for less than we paid after we were the ones who gambled on his knees. Especially since keeping him is still valuable to us
A fifth of your favorite whiskey.
Bulleit 10 year plzzzz
He is worth a fifth of your unfavorite whiskey
ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio reported on SportsCenter that there is “absolutely nothing” going on regarding a Sam Bradford trade.
Sal Pal reports the Eagles got “one phone call from one team” (Denver), and Broncos GM John Elway’s overtures were “quickly rebuffed” by Eagles GM Howie Roseman.
Mate, please.
See my post below.
Some have quarterback Paxton Lynch going in the top 10 of the draft. As the draft approaches, some have him not going in round one at all. (Maybe Lynch wasn’t able to whip up a sufficiently impressive soufflé.)
Adam Schefter of ESPN says this: “Someone may be laying in ambush, but unless Dallas trades back into first round, hard to find a landing spot for [Lynch].”
From 5:
“I don’t like it because I think the Eagles need much more help than just a quarterback. Every coach that comes into the NFL wants to be tagged to their quarterback, but they just signed Sam Bradford pretty much to be a guy to hold it down for a year or two. Doug Pederson may not have his job in three years.”
“I don’t think these two quarterbacks are worthy of being the first or second picks. To me, they are mid to late round prospects. Unless you tell me that Jared Goff is the next Aaron Rodgers, not because he went to Cal but because he can sit behind Sam Bradford, maybe that can work out. If Carson Wentz is a Ben Roethlisberger coming from a 1-AA school then maybe that can work out.”
“When I came, the Eagles weren’t good. They had the No.2 pick and didn’t give up picks to get me. Sam Bradford is getting paid a ridiculous amount of money for no reason. Chase Daniel was brought in to be the Doug Pederson that he was for me but he is going to be the backup and now he becomes the Koy Detmer. They are saying that this guy will be the starting quarterback for over a decade and lead you to the playoffs appearances and possibly a Super Bowl appearance. I can’t say that I can see that.”
His grapes are endlessly sour.
Endlessly.
He’s so dumb, it’s a miracle he was as successful as he was.
In other words, if Wentz doesn’t become good, it’s a bad move.
That’s some brilliant analysis.
The 2nd paragraph is choice. Does anybody believe that a glimmer of Tom Brady’s eventual stature was even slightly evident when NE took him in the sixth round? Did Ron Wolf know that letting Rodgers ride the bench was going to yield a better QB than anybody saw at Cal? These QB’s tick most of the boxes and yet clearly are not without some weaknesses. So nobody can say anything with certainty about how great or disappointing they will be. For some folks that is the straw argument to do nothing.
So the real drama tonight is who the Cowboys take, huh?
I’m rooting for Elliot. Hoping SD + JAX trade with each other so JAX can grab Ramsey and still get their OT.
Really don’t want to see Ramsey in Dallas.
NYG will end up with Conklin, which LOL.
All systems nominal.
I kind of hope they take Bosa. Hopefully the loss of Gregory, Lawrence for 4 games, and Hardy will force their hand. I don’t want them to take Elliott because I think that would hand them the division.
I don’t think they’re dumb enough to take Bosa at #4.
Everything I’ve read suggests Ramsey or Elliott.
I think they’ll trade back with Baltimore and take Elliot.
dallas will torture us with Elliot for the next few years though
The best part of the first round is finding out who it is that everyone was wrong about. I love the surprise falls and rises. Never would have guessed Leonard Williams would fall to 5 last year. Remember when Sharif Floyd fell to the 20’s? I actually convinced myself that Manziel would be a top 5 pick. Suddenly the Giants will pass on Jack if he makes it to 10. We’ll see.
if something insane doesn’t happen this afternoon i’m gonna flip out
Wouldn’t you flipping out qualify as literally something insane? Kind of a chicken/egg thing.
thanks i actually feel a lot better now
something is always happeneing
shit
If I were the Broncos, I’d trade my first round pick this year for Bradford. He’d give that roster a legitimate shot at the super bowl over the next two seasons that the roster will be able to stay together. No other QB on their roster or available anywhere else does that and no one taken at 32 is going to offer that much.
That being said, we’d have to all line up and blow Howie because if he was able to turn the 13th pick in the draft into the 2nd overall pick and the 32nd overall pick by just giving up one of this years two 3rds, next years 1st and 2018’s 2nd he’d be a true magician of a GM (obviously I’m not counting giving up a stop gap 1yr QB, or Maxwell/Alonso…but you get the point).
two days ago i wanted to trade Bradford for anything, now i agree, screw a second, try to get a first from Denver. If Denver wants to repeat this year, with their defense, then Bradford for a first. Screw giving them a good chance to repeat (with their defense), for mid-round picks.
That’s the spirit! Fuck Elway! Lol
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Last year we had to watch us lose a LG for nothing, replace him with a chump like Tobin, and watch our pro bowl LG go win a Super Bowl… Now we are supposed to get screwed and take chump change so Elway and Bradford can win a Super Bowl a year after we had to give good value to trade for SAM?
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fuck That!
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Thrilled with the Stance Roseman is taking, and even better is the words Roseman used: “Im in No mood to trade Bradford”…
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Perfect! Kick and cry all you want Condon… Your only option left is to go beg Elway to give up more value to get your client out of Philly… A 2nd and Your young G/T, or a 3rd and Bradley Roby, DONT bother calling offering anything less
How about that Apple. Suckers. I was right yet again.
What Apple?
Apple stock. It’s getting crushed just like I predicted months ago
Oh, I didn’t think you meant Apple literally. I thought something happened with Sam
Nope just another one of the things I have predicted. I started on here predicting Chip Kelly would be fired. That was last Spring. Everyone hated me because I said he would be. Fired. But many people on here had a man crush on him and it hurt them so much that I was Right. I also predicted the Pederson hire before ANYONE.
you predicted the Chiefs winning the super bowl even after I predicted when and how they would lose in the playoffs.
Then you doubled down and bet the Panthers would win the super bowl. In fact you said you would leave this site if they lost.
why are you still here?
You deny I predicted Kelly would be fired when you were dreaming of sucking him off??
why are you still here? have the long nights drinking alone, waiting for dawn to give you maybe one more chance to get things right, caught up with you? Or did the meds just wear off?
At some point, you’ll be able to face yourself in the mirror and realize how hollow this life is that you lead. Once you’ve reached that point of emotional honesty, you’ll have a shot at a worthwhile life. But it’s going to take some serious soul searching and some hard work to face some hard truths about the wasteland that your life has devolved into. We wish you the best of luck.
not even gonna bother reading this long winded bullshit.
Nice deflection of the above smack down
I predicted Kelly would be fired. Remember how butt hurt you guys were when I said they were the preseason super bowl champions. Yet I invented that term. Go try being original you fukcing turdball.
Keep thinking you’re intelligent and original you child. How does it feel to know that everybody in you life hates you?
My kids love me. So yeah you are full of shit about everything.
you deny that I predicted KC would lose a playoff game due to poor clock management while you were mancrushing on fatboy Reid?
Dude you are jus one of many people who reply to me. I have no clue what you ever said. People remember what I say. Nobody remembers what you say. Have a nice boring life.
in other words I owned you
I really have no idea who you are. sorry.
I really have no idea who you are. Would you mind not replying to my posts anymore? You act as if i should know you but I am sorry. I receive so many feedbacks from people and you are just one of many.
yeah but you were also wrong on a few other things and stopped showing up when it became obvious you were wrong. you aren’t an accurate predictor you just act like a tool every time you happen to be right and disappear every time you’re wrong. you’re so obnoxious, in fact, that i’m violating a commonly held principle just responding to you. in your head that’s surely proof of your unflinching brilliance but, again, this is the same mind that manages to block out every one of the many instances in which you’ve been publicly wrong, so . . .
I never stopped showing up.
just like herpes
after every Eagles win last season, you disappeared
go back and look at the dates of Eagles wins and the dates troll posted
are you a fukcing stalker bro?
ok Nostra-Dumb-Ass we get it, you see the future. So why didn’t you short apple?
Did you steal that from MMAmania?
why didn’t you make any money?
who said I didnt make money?
i did
Well your are dumb
eli apple?
Adams?
just like that KC Chief Super Bowl victory you predicted?
Nobody wants to buy your drugs here, Louie. .
It wasn’t heroin, it was PCP
wow, stocks have never gone up and down before, how did you know?
Icahn said he sold all his Apple. Do you understand the significance of that. Probably not. Enjoy your suck life.
Not a good time for Icahn generally, or Ackerman or hedge funds
I once spent an evening with him and just a couple other people in a breakout room for an auction for a bankrupt company. A few years ago now.
*storytime*?
yep I almost caught myself like why the H does this matter? I guess I was kind of responding to the troll pointing out I’ve actually met the guy. Like that matters though. It was dumb. I fell down into the low road.
it’s open season on topics until 5pm CA time, or a sammy b trade.
yeah I keep checking here every 5 minutes.
Why isn’t it a good time for Icahn?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/activists-declare-war-on-hedge-funds.html
Activists declare war on hedge funds
….because they are losing Chinese market share, they haven’t “innovated” in the past 8 quarters, a greenhorn economist could have called it.
gameballs talked about it a couple of months ago (he was shorting apple).
i want to see the money otherwise he is full of shit lol
i need to see a picture of money with social security card next to it lol
my life sucks now
you being poor sucks. you are poor. I am rich
Hi Rich, I’m poor nice to meet you.
do you have any idea what I can do with all this extra paper I have with dead presidents on it?
Ben Franklin was never a president you uneducated buffoon
oh is he the only person on money smart guy?
why didn’t you short apple to make some money?
I did short it you dm fukc
DM Fukc….. you want to direct message me? your like FCUK? Unclear what you are saying.
i was thinking how i did not want bradford around to be a negative influence on Wentz, treat Wentz poorly, be awkward for Wentz to have a guy starting who is afraid of him etc.. Then i realized that thought comes from the idea of protecting Wentz, treating Wentz like he is delicate, treating Wentz like Bradford has been treated his whole career. Now i like the idea of having Bradford around to make Wentz uncomfortable, so he can see what it is like for a vet to be afraid of losing his job, just show him like it really is in the nfl, opposite of how Bradford has been raised in the nfl.
the up side is we don’t have to care if Bradford blows out his knees again this season.
gotta pray this rookie is good.
or if he just blows for that matter
We should care a lot because that would crater his trade value.
what trade value?
If you believe the rhetoric being spewed by Bradford’s agent is anything other than a desperate bulling tactic to get his client what he wants, then I think you’re mistaken. SB is a reserved, thoughtful jock who offends nobody 24/7. I think Bradford won’t be interacting with Wentz very much, but when he does, it will be absolutely respectfully.
yeah, i would bet you are right, giving Bradford some credit. He is likely angry, mopey etc. but when season starts he would probably be a pretty good mentor for Wentz. Maybe Roseman believes this as well, and believes during the season when Bradford is firmly the starter he will only be a positive for Wentz’s development. Either way, how it affects Wentz shouldnt be a factor in Roseman’s decision to trade or not, or at least in my wanting him to be traded or not. Bradford = more wins this year, so just keep him around unless a good trade pops up.
In all of the speculating about whether SB remains an Eagle, I think it is critical to see this from Jeff Lurie’s position. He knows that letting the QB walk – even for more than his market value – will mean a write-off for the upcoming season. That figures to be something he would tolerate less well than a kidney stone. The whole logic of trying to secure Bradford for at least this year was to avoid precisely what letting him go now would ensure. Elway was too smart by half in not locking up Osweiler, but he’s a greenhorn compared to HR.
Another related issue: If poisoning the well, as Condon has done, is rewarded, it is like paying a blackmailer…and paying…and paying. I don’t believe Sam is going anywhere.
Elway is a bad poker player. He played the Osweiler situation all wrong and now teams are raising the prices on QBs because they know he’s desperate. Elway is now playing the SB situation wrong. He will let the deal pass and then end up making a bad deal. Elway will be on the hot seat after this season.
plus if the biggest goal is to get a franchise QB, doesn’t keeping him help? Makes Wentz’ progress that much easier and gives you the non-zero chance SB makes a jump. As others have said, the chance that Wentz plays games this year goes way up if he is just behind Chase.
So that’s why I wouldn’t care about things like whether Bradford’s teammates are mad. I wouldn’t trade him unless it was really worthwhile.
i get the idea of not wanting to reward bad behavior. but is Sam our son? are we responsible for teaching him the right way to behave? or that life is full of consequences? i say no. if we can get something in exchange for a dude making millions to act like a little boy, i say go for it. who cares if Sam “gets away with it” or whatever else. if we’re better off with a disgruntled Sam, i guess keep him. but don’t keep him so we can feel tough or like we showed him or even like we won a standoff. if he’s a problem dump him like one.
Not to teach Sam, but to let all agents out there know that it is a big risk. And, yes, if Elway or somebody else makes an offer he cannot ignore, HR should definitely take the deal. Nobody’s going to break their bank to get SB.
Our Supreme Leader does not negotiate with Terrorists….
i understand. i’m just personally of the “don’t keep anyone who doesn’t wanna be here” school of thought but strategically you’re probably correct. i’m just salty about the amount of resources we’re forced to invest in one position right now.
Owners perspective should be cash already handed to the QB…nobody is rushing to the stadium to see Bradford play. With or without him, seats will be filled…
I wasn’t referring to $$$. Lurie, I think, wants for his franchise, if not for the fans, to NOT go through a season with no hope of competing. Doing that to a rookie HC is a low blow, and the sting of complaining from a stadium full of disappointed fans will not be mitigated by revenue .
idk about that. if the FO is clear up front that we’re taking a step back to have a chance to contend in 2-3 years, people can be pretty understanding. in a way, it would make things less tense for pedersen – if lurie and howie called it a rebuild and Doug wins 5 games, i’m gonna be impressed
Suckers have bought that line with the Sixers for a few years.
but wasn’t that combined with an intentional tank-job? hopefully the eagles would try to compete and show progress over time.
I’d go to every game my schedule allows next year with Bradford playing or Wentz…, doubt I would go to more than 2 of the 8 games if Chase was the QB all year
lmao. That bad huh? Not even to see Hicks play?
here’s my shot in the dark. just imagine that i’m a “league insider” on twitter: I’m hearing that the Eagles are considering a move into the bottom of the second round (pick #63) in exchange for Sam Bradford and a fifth. My sources indicate that if this trade doesn’t take place before the start of Round 3, it’s highly unlikely to actually happen.
You got twitter insider written all over you.
If I was an NFL team, I would actively start a disinformation dept and feed relevant sources at select times with some nuggets of truth but general misdirection.
A miracle happened today. People responded to the troll,
Maybe the Rams will take Wentz after all!!!
so vulgar that troll.. LET HIM USE NO BATHROOMS AT ALL!!
Assume Jaylon Smith is going to San fran, Baalke tries to take advantage of injured players falling in the draft every year, and San Fran is stacked with like 12 picks. odds are that they spend 1 rolling the dice on such an elite Talent in Jaylon…
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Going to be jealous of one of The playoff teams in the 20s getting a stud like Nkemdiche. If a coach like Bruce Arian, Pete Carrol can keep that kid out of trouble, he can be a monster,.every time I see him I can’t get over how big and powerful that dudes hands look..if that kid goes to the right lockerroom he can become a Terror
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I consider the skins our toughest competition for next year, so hopefully they spend their pick on a lame/lemon..
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Donovan McNabb was just raving and glowing about how excited he is for the Eagles, and how he thinks this trade is awesome and that Wentz is going to be fantastic for the franchise and city of Philadelphia…. Lol
what?
he sobered up already?
Lol no, I just wanted to see if anyone could possibly believe he said anything nice about the trade… His actual response was pretty different. He didn’t like the trade as you could have Probably guessed
I would love to see cameras on mcnabb as he boos the pick and throw beer at the screen
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported Thursday that free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick has told people he would “rather not play football” than play for the Jets at their latest contract offer. It’s believed Gang Green offered Fitzpatrick a deal worth $7-8
million annually, while FitzMagic has demanded a contract worth upwards
of $16 million per year
good another trade partner
for elway, yeah
Fitz is a free agent.
d’oh. shows what i know about AFC teams
they take Lynch…
Lol QB’s trying to throw their weight around these days
Yeah, but can you blame him for not wanting Chase Daniel money?
I think he is high asking for 16, but he does deserve more than Chase….11mil a year should be a fair compromise that Both sides can live with, Tho it sounds like the jets havent budged from 7mil, And Fitz is still dreaming of 16mil…. Both sides need each other, foolish to not work out a compromise when all you have is garbage Geno, and Petty…
yeah Fitz is throwing his weight around foolishly and recklessly similar to the way he’s been known to throw the football…
This is Fitz’s only shot left to cash in again, he did it with Buffalo before, but now he is older and likely wants a bigger incentive to keep playing.
Harvard education being put to use right there.
Bradford to Jets
Very unlikely from everything I have read…. Tho Id rather do business with them because their pick isnt at the end of each round like Denver’s.
no cap room
Wilkerson would be happy to make some.
16 million?
yen?
Both Denver and NYJ are around this $7M mark for a QB – maybe we are starting to see a little market correction since teams realize if they have to give a franchise QB a max deal eventually, it cripples their cap and hurts their ability to keep a good team intact. Denver learned they can still win a SB with an average tandem of QB IF they have a excellent defense and ST. It may not be a new lesson, but maybe a reminder.
Teams will try that is for sure. Monkey see monkey do.
don’t play then
it’s not like the Jets made the playoffs with Fitzpatrick
just curious why do the national guys or anyone call doug Pederson a qb guru?
are there numbers to back this up?
It’s a mispronunciation, they mean gauru.
Edit to add: the same people who call John Gruden a guru?
maybe they mean he is quarterback goo?
Building him up so they can tear him down ?
uhh yes. he backedup marino farve two hall of famers and Mcnabb.
so how does that translate as guru?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0U42G_4yqQNanFzRUF5WnpoWk0/view?usp=sharing
I get it — people are giddy on draft day — but…
This is like knowing the Christmas present you have wrapped is something you got with your wife 3 months ago. It is about as anti-climatic as you can get unless they trade Bradford to a CFL team.
or when you open that thing you already got it turns out to be a GOFF instead
Was really hoping Bradford trade would have happened by now. I’m very sad it hasn’t.
may happen if broncos can’t get a qb in the draft and are willing to trade a high pick then.
You think they’re aiming for a mid round kinda guy or want to see if someone like Lynch could fall?
That would be cool if we got a player out of it, but if we only get a pick, and it’s a 2017 pick, hard to get excited about.
Would you be prepared to head into the season w/ Mark Sanchez as your starter?
>.<
I’ve been thinking the Broncos may be stalling to a) see if they can get a QB in the draft and b) avoid giving up a pick this year. If a) doesn’t happen, I wouldn’t be shocked if we got a 2017 2nd rounder from them after the draft.
The thing (enticing though it may be) about that is that the Eagles can force Bradford to play 2016 and still get that 2017 draft pick. So as you put it, it’d have to be a pretty good one like 2nd plus something else to entice.
new thread up