Irony Can Be Pretty Ironic
Posted: April 26th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 490 Comments »Sam Bradford wants out. I wonder if he’s just a huge fan of the German metal band Helloween and was trying to get me to link to this great video from the 80’s?
God, I miss the 1980s.
Anyway…back to Sam.
He wants out. Presumably he’s found somewhere else he’d rather go. Denver makes the most sense. They just won the Super Bowl. They have a terrific defense. They have a proven coach. They don’t have a QB.
So let’s say Sam now has buyer’s remorse and wishes he hadn’t re-signed with the Eagles. He sees Denver as a great place and wants to go there. His big selling point for wanting out of Philly is that they signed Chase Daniel to a big deal and are set to draft a franchise QB, albeit one who will sit for a year or two.
What’s going on with the Broncos and their QB situation?
Last year they had Hall of Famer Peyton Manning at the helm. He was struggling so they put in youngster Brock Osweiler. Manning was not happy.
Osweiler then struggled himself and was benched for Manning. Osweiler was not happy.
The defense became so dominant that it really didn’t matter who was at QB.
Once the offseason hit, Manning retired. Osweiler, so upset by the short leash they gave him as the starter, left to go sign with the Houston Texans. The Broncos only move so far has been to trade for Mark Sanchez, Sam’s old buddy from the Eagles.
Sam played well enough to deserve a reasonable deal from the Eagles. They gave him a very reasonable deal. And this was after very publicly scouting QBs at the Senior Bowl and Combine. The Eagles were never secretive about their desire to add a QB of the future.
Now Sam wants to be traded, most likely to a team that benched 2 QBs last year and angered them both to the point that neither wanted to come back. Peyton might have retired anyway, but the handling of the QB situation sealed the deal. We all thought Osweiler would re-sign for sure, but he chose to leave the Super Bowl champions for a team that has 2 playoff wins (both in the Wild Card round) in its history.
The Eagles don’t know how to treat QBs, but the Broncos do.
So now let’s see if the Broncos will give the Eagles a 3rd round pick this year…and maybe throw in a 2nd rounder in 2018. That’s when the Eagles have to give theirs to the Browns so they could use that future pick. Chase Daniel finally gets his chance to start.
And Sam better get off to a fast start or Mark Sanchez will be closer to getting his chance to get back on the field.
The 2016 Eagles weren’t going to be a great team, but they were going to be Sam Bradford’s team. I wonder if the same can be said for wherever he goes. He certainly will have a lot of questions to answer in the locker room. How is Sam supposed to handle playoff pressure if he’s scared off by Chase Daniel and a kid from North Dakota State?
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A quarterback controversy in Philly?
Do you every have déjà vu? Didn’t you just ask me that?
Have we not met before, monsieur?
Well played with the 80s movie. I settled for the early 90s.
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I want that Denver 1st rounder. We just took a big cap hit so they can have a qb they can afford. I know its unlikely but I sure hope magic howie can pull it off.
Would be great, but looking at the Elway has handled QB this off-season I dont see any way the Birds get the premium picks fans are hoping for, at least from Den. MAYBE the Jets or Bills or someone is stupid enough to give up a solid pick for Sam, but Elway doing it would be completely contrary to how he’s handled everything so far (which I admit is a bit puzzling given that they are obviously a serious contender otherwise).
think we’ll be lucky to get a 3rd from them. Elway knows what he’s doing
Sam just doesn’t want to learn the offense and then have to
learn another offense and build chemistry again and deal with another head
coach. There has never been certainty with him whether injury, players,
coaches, schemes and etc. I can see his point of view, he only has two, maybe
one, year with us whether he is light out or stinks it up. Why wait for the
eviction notice when the qb market closes. He sees Denver’s situation and knows
that he can be a three year starter due to the fact whoever they draft wont be
ready for at least two years( Hack, Prescott).
Now the Eagles fan in me hope he sticks around so we an
capitalize on a weak division, but after fan and media reactions come in…grapes
sour.
He’s not endearing himself to ANY team by pouting because of competition. Any team he goes to, will eventually have to draft his replacement. He can’t control that. The only thing he CAN control is his play, and his leadership. Both which seem to be not his priority. Bye Sam…..don’t let the door hit ya……..
Broncos want him so Im sure they don’t care… players do this and the team that has him hates it but the team that wants him loves it…Broncos don’t have to deal with Kaep or Sanchez… they can have Bradford for cheap
this contract gives Eagles leverage… forcing a trade due to sour grapes in media and fan base is how you control it…. at this point they have to trade him or risk cancer in the locker room. cancer equals Howie and doug fired.
Eh. If he’s a cancer, you treat him like it. 3rd string. watching practice, not playing, not even dressing on Sundays. Thousands of little ways to belittle him and make him sorry. Leak stories about how his teammates can’t stand him, and that’s he’s not a leader. After a year of not even seeing real practice reps, you can cut him, and probably not even Denver will want to sign him to a starter’s deal at that point.
11 mil to be 3rd string…..doesn’t happen… and if I had to pick between connor cook(personality issues), Prescott (dui), Hogan( not physically gifted), sanchez or braford in a year I can return to the playoffs.. its Bradford all day…. in that situation he can be the starter two and a half years before the other guy has to start. With us its one year.
Not like they’re going to compete this year without him. I have no problem eating that money to prove the point for future negotiations. This team wins 4, maybe 5 games this year with Daniels/Wentz, and IMO, you hurt your ability to maximize your chances of Wentz developing fully if he sees the field. So I would stick with Daniels all year and cry when that top 5 draft pick goes to the Rams next year, but that’s the bed that they made with the trade.
my problem is you have to sell that to your players… wait three more years for wins or try to win now while grooming a guy.
It would go to Cle, not LA.
90% chance he gets dealt after this season anyway, even if he played well. don’t see what the difference is.
I agree..
And the Broncos will surely draft his replacement as well. Probably sooner than later. They don’t care now because he’s their best option for the immediate future.
Fine, don’t accept a 2 year deal. The fact that he did makes this argument moot.
understandable assuming they didn’t tell him they wanted to see how he does year two before coming back to the table for negotiation. They also could have told him that they were going to get a qb at some point of the draft. But there is a difference between Goff or Wentz falling to you and you giving up 3 picks this year, two picks next year, and a pick in 2018 for a Qb. When you do that there is no competition long term and no chance to make that qb sit on the bench two to three years. from the outside looking in we get it with the contract and ect. But if the guys in house tell you differently. I understand the anger.
with it being a one year deal they were able to save money and not use franchise. but it also allows them to keep him one more year in the event he does well. Yes, from the standpoint of what we seen it is a lame duck year, but maybe he saw it as a year to bet on himself esp because a week ago nobody thought we could get to 1 or 2 and we expected other teams to have more ammo if browns didn’t stay put.
“No chance” seems inaccurate. I’ll give you “very unlikely”, but no where close to absolute. That means you have 1 to 2 years to do something you have never done in the NFL: prove yourself. At this point, any chance he has to do that should be capitalized on with fervor. Anything counter to that (such as his behavior now), probably seals your fate as a bust.
Exactly.
From an Eagles stand point that is great and wonderful and I love it. From Sam’s Perspective you put in all this work, build a good relationship and chemistry with players, master the scheme, and win over the city all to be traded or cut and have to do all that again in a new city, with a new scheme, with new players you have to build chemistry with, and again with uncertainty in your future. From a business standpoint its not good. So his agent sought out a team that gave him a better shot ( 3 year contract, 7 mil this year but a good portion next year and an opportunity to start for 3 if not 2 and a half years) that will be better than a 1year deal where team can flip ya next year. Regardless, with the Eagles he either has one or two years and is cut or traded…at least with another team he has two years or more and once again controls his fate.
Brings me back to asking why he signed in the first place? He has had two option all along. Franchise or the deal he has.
Sure it isn’t great for him, but he has gotten himself where he is now.
he can “prove it” someplace else. Hard to “prove anything” in your first year in a new system.
I really hope we trade Bradford and use the return to mitigate some of the Wentz cost. If we get a 2nd this year, trade for a 1st next year – 3rd, trade it for a 2nd, etc.
While this is far from an ideal situation (that would be him playing lights out in 2016 allowing Philly to trade him for a substantial return after the season), it is more immediately gratifying if they trade him before this draft.
If we get back a 2nd and 4th or 3rd and 4th or something, it would be like the Carson Wentz trade up barely happened. This year anyway.
Like I said below, I’d rather trade those picks for future years and mitigate the Wentz deal in those years.
I don’t wanna tell you that I told you so, but I told you so (in reference to my posting weeks ago that there was no chance in hell that the Eagles would go into the season with Bradford, Daniel and a 1st round pick QB).
And no, I am not Al(l)bright. 😉
In other news: I don’t miss German metal at all.
sort of like new yorkers never going to the landmarks. kreator, sodom, gamma ray. come on man
That would sort of be like me saying Trump won’t be the next President, he wins the election, then dies before inauguration. I’m 100% technically right, but am I really though?
“I don’t want to tell you I told you so but *falls all over himself telling us he told us so*.”
I thought this was all Bradford blowing steam. This writing seems to make it very real that the Eagles are willing…hmm….
haven’t even read the article yet. props to Tommy on the sick Helloween jams
Wait, Helloween was from Germany? I never knew that. I had one of their tapes too. 🙂
yeah germany pretty much kills it in metal.
Upon further reflection, wasn’t the Blitzkrieg all about heavy metal?
the blitzkrieg was all about speed. so yeah, kinda
Yeah, that too. Let’s not get re-started on the Kelly era.
i see what you did there!
Let’s hope that Howie’s drafting acumen is as sharp as our nuanced exchange, b3.
what’s a tape?
Song isn’t bad. The video though…terrible!
Not sure if I’ve actively hated any Eagles player before, but Sullen Sam might be my first.
Hate is a strong word. Sam doesn’t get that from me. Petulant, baby, glue sniffer (tell me he wasn’t the kid sniffing glue in grammar school), he gets those from me. I don’t hate him.
The way it looks right now is that we are going to hard-line him. He should at that point end up being our QB this year. We will need to embrace him again, should that happen.
Nnamdi and DRC… I hated them for sure. I’d like to hate Mahe, but it wasn’t his fault that he somehow stayed on our roster. And Vince Young… I was ok with him until he uttered “the nickname which shall not be spoken.”
Don’t hate any particular player other than T.O., but I really do hate Chip Kelly
I love TO. He came back from a broken leg in like 3 days for the SB.
Great athlete and great competitor (unlike Sammy) but caused a distraction for the team after SB run and then signed with the Cowboys
well they should have resigned him and kept going to the SB.
I can’t hate TO, either. But it sounded like it wasn’t even possible to play together another year. Dawkins said some pretty critical things about him recently, IIRC.
Life’s too short to hate. You should let that go & worry about things that actually matter.
Thanks. You should take your own advice.
I do. And you’re welcome.
Step off, maybe hating actually does matter to him.
Sullen Sammy Brittlsticks, I love it
I think you’re reaching here, Tommy, to make Bradford look bad.
Manning was cooked and everyone knew it, Denver managed the situation very well until the off-season when they no longer had to do so. The ring had been won and they no longer had any obligation to Manning. They made it clear they were moving on, but still gave him weeks to hem and haw about retirement even though everyone knew he had zero options. I thought they were quite respectful of Manning yet firm which was a good balance.
Osweiler is an average QB. Denver again made it clear they were willing to pay him only X as their starter and he wanted Y. Thus he found a team willing to give him Y and went for the money. That is on him, not the Broncos IMO. They had many other more important players to take care of and, due to the SB win, had the capital with the fan base and local media to be again firm yet fair. Osweiler is not worth what the Texans paid him.
I think Bradford is wrong for demanding a trade now, but I can understand why he is upset and why he is eager to get on a team that really wants him and will build around him. The Eagles tried to straddle both sides of the fence – be competitive now with Bradford and then insert Wentz a year from now for the future while having Daniel around to help both learn the system. On paper, it makes total sense and is good planning, but they obviously misread how Bradford would react or had not gotten his buy-in to the plan as part of the negotiations on the new deal.
IF Roseman gave Bradford assurances he would be the starter this year and be given a fair chance to compete for the long term job as part of getting Bradford to sign the new deal, that clearly will not be the case any more or was never the case. Roseman may not have given any assurances at all; we’ll likely never know, but logically for Bradford to sign a glorified 1 year deal there must have been some discussion of the future and Bradford’s role in it.
I agree with you about the Broncos. You can argue that the Broncos made a mistake in letting Osweiller go, but I have a hard time buying the argument that they pissed Osweiller off so much that they COULDN’T resign him. Seems pretty clear the Broncos made a decision to only sign him for a certain price which they were not going to budge from. Again, given that Sanchez is the current starter, maybe that decision is a mistake, but it wasnt the situation Tommy seems to have portrayed IMO.
And we have had our back and forth on disagreeing about Bradford, so no need to rehash
Agreed. Elway is smart enough to know Osweiller was not worth overpayment and that Denver was never as “desperate” as portrayed in the media. Elway just won a SB so he has got cover and rope to make the hard choices.
Elway got Sanchez for a 5th rd pick as a last resort option, has been negotiating strongly with SF on Kaepernik, has dabbled in the Fitzpatrick and Hoyer pools and now has Bradford as an option if the Eagles are willing. Plus he could always draft a young QB himself and develop them. I think one of those options will come through and Denver should be fine.
I respect your take, Iskar, and appreciate the debate.
Likewise. As an aside, this is what I love about this board. Two people can have significantly different takes, go back and forth multiple times in disagreement, and it remains respectful and thoughtful. I don’t know how Tommy has managed to create that type of community in the discussion section of his board for years, but I wish others managed to do the same. I love having people I strongly disagree with who I still find to be intelligent, and who defend their viewpoint logically and as passionately as people whose viewpoint I share.
Agreed. Tommy is the main factor as he sets the tone of respect and intelligent debate and encourages people who appreciate that environment to stay here and discuss their favorite team. But I also agree the posters here deserve a lot of credit for maintaining and encouraging that ethos as well.
My 13 year-old son hangs out with me on Iggles Blitz because he loves the Eagles. I like him being exposed to cogent arguments by passionate but logical people. Tommy leads the way.
Hard to find many places online where this level of respectful argument takes place. Especially in the realm of sports, in Philly sports and, above all, discussing the Eagles.
I heard Osweiler wouldn’t even return their calls, so it’s more likely than not they pissed him off
I agree with you except for your point about Sam getting assurances. The guy signed the two-year deal offered by the Eagles. If he needed a long-term commitment, he had his opportunity to pursue one elsewhere. Plus, as I’m posting elsewhere, I would want Bradford to approach this as a chance to bury the kid in the depth chart, not cry about how he’s not wanted enough.
Again, Bradford has ZERO chance to “bury the kid”, that is the whole point.
The high draft pick they gave the farm up for is going to win any “competition” regardless of results and the Eagles, Bradford, Condon and everyone else knows it. That is why Bradford is upset!
He thought he was going to get a true shot here and now he is going to have to start over once again somewhere else next year. By demanding this trade, he is basically saying let me get this process started with a new team now instead of waiting in purgatory for 12 more months.
Is that a petulant response? Sure, but again if we try to put ourselves in his shoes I think it is understandable and predictable. Bradford has never been able to settle in for the long term with an organization due to injuries, inconsistent play, poor surrounding talent etc.
He had finally gotten to a better organization (Eagles) and wanted to stay and play here. He played out the year and did the best he could to show he deserved a chance to be the long term starter.
The Eagles agreed and extended him – what we do not know is if they gave him assurances he would get a fair shot to be the long term starter here. They certainly told him he would start this year as Roseman and others have stated many times. Bradford may have signed the extension due to those assurances, remember he signed here before FA started and thus gave up his chance to find a different home. He thought he was already at home here.
Yes, he did his best to try to prove that he could be our long term answer. He didn’t prove it. We gave him a prove-it deal. He took the money. Now he doesn’t want to have to prove it. He’s a bum, he will always be a bum, I hope he gets crabs.
You’re right, he did not prove it to the point where the Eagles were willing to commit to him being the long term starter this off-season and extend him accordingly. I tend to believe he played pretty well within a chaotic and poorly run team under Chip, but obviously the Eagles were only willing to go so far in blaming Chip for all the issues.
However, they did believe in Bradford enough to extend him short term and supposedly give him another chance to prove it.
But then they went and made a big trade for the #2 pick with a clear purpose of drafting a potential franchise QB. Now Bradford no longer has the chance to prove anything except how well he can be as a place holder.
Realizing this, he has demanded a trade so he can go to another team and get a true shot at proving himself now instead of waiting another year in a short career. I disagree with that response, but I understand it.
He’s under contract. He signed it of his own free will and volition. If he felt the need for long term assuarances he could have tested FA.
If he goes out and plays like 27-2 Nick Foles, or 2010 Mike Vick, then he still has a shot to be the franchise QB regardless of who we draft, or what we gave up to draft him. Granted he is on a shorter leash, but he still has the opportunity. He is trying to run from that challenge and get himself in a spot where he doesn’t have to compete for the starting job. And he’s trying to do it with Eagle money in his pocket.
He’s a bum.
Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
No team would give 2 1st rd picks + 2nd, 3rd and 4th rd picks, draft their franchise QB, pay him roughly $24M guaranteed for that #2 slot and then not play him.
Return on investment for such a huge outlay is critical and the only way to realize that return is for the guy to start over a number of years while he is cheaper than a normal QB.
The sooner that clock starts the better for the Eagles again regardless of how Bradford plays. As soon as Wentz is deemed ready, Bradford will be passed over and likely sent packing since no team would pay a backup QB his level of $$.
Bradford is not running from anything; he’s running TOWARD a new opportunity where he might get a true shot at being the long term starter. Instead of being a place holder for a season, he wants to get started on the new opportunity now. How is that being a bum?
Are you saying, if you got a new contract at the company you work for and told you’d have a shot at the promotion and then watched as the company invested a huge amount in bringing in a new guy with the certainty the promotion would go to him, that you would not be at all pissed, but would be calling yourself a coward and bum? I doubt it.
The assumption you’re working under is that, regardless of how Bradford plays, he is the expendable commodity.
If he plays lights-out, Wentz becomes the expendable commodity. There is absolutely no way we drop a Peyton/Brady/Rodgers for a D2 QB who hasn’t played in the NFL yet. In that case we could trade Wentz, granted, it would be for less than we gave up to get him. Just like if we trade Sammy Wizard Sleeves now, it will be for less than we gave up to retain him for this year.
If Samford had any balls, he would play for a contract. Kinda like what we signed him for, a 2 year prove-it deal, that he agreed to. The opportunity is right in front of him, right now. But as we all know, Sleeve Garrett is no superstar. Sam is scared of this situation. He wants to go play somewhere that he won’t be challenged, will still get paid, and gets to keep the money that we already payed him. And all of this while being a guy that has a 25-37-1 record as a starter in the NFL, who has made like $100mil, who has never won 8 games in a season, and has zero awards, and zero playoff wins.
The catch in this whole situation is that Sam Blandford doesn’t believe that he is a real franchise QB. If he did, he’d ball out on the field. Instead he wants an insurance contract in case he doesn’t live up to his (unfounded) hype, or blows out another ACL. The insurance can come in the form of a long term contract, or the team having a lack of other options.
If this was a LT or a safety, you’d be furious that the incumbent refused to play because we drafted another player at his position. Imagine if Dawk refused to compete with a rookie. Hard to imagine because Dawk would go berserker on the field, retain his spot, and mentor the rookie in his down time. LIKE A MAN. NOT A BUM.
Having said all that, if you still disagree, then I will respect your decision to be a dope. Just kidding, sorta. Sorry for going full Geagle on this post.
Dude, below, pretty much sums up my response. Well, maybe except for getting the crabs. That will depend on Sam showing up for training camp.
I liked what Bradford showed in the second half of last season and I was hoping he could build on that. He cries he wants a fair shot at being the long term starter? I get that. Go out and perform, Sam. Keep Wentz holding the clipboard for the next five years. Petulant, indeed.
there’s 0 way Wentz sits 5 years. It’s different than taking a QB at 8 or 15, you traded to firsts plus to get the kid,
You’re right, in theory. I can, though, imagine a scenario where the rookie does sits because your qb1 plays so well and or the kid doesn’t develop.
There is no scenario that will keep Wentz holding the clipboard for 5 years, most likely only 1 year. You seem hell bent on ignoring that reality which invalidates your argument.
My sole argument is that Bradford lacks competetive fire and is complaining about a contract he recently signed. OK, that’s two arguements.
How is realizing the futility of playing against a stacked deck and trying to find a way out indicative of a “lack of competitive fire”?
As soon as the trade for the #2 pick was made, Bradford’s future here vanished. It has zero to do with competitive fire; it has to do with team resource and allocation realities requiring playing time.
Bradford signed the extension since he believed this was the best shot for him to compete for the long term starting job and the Eagles told him he would get that chance this coming season. He IMO liked playing here and wanted to stay in hopes he could secure the long term gig and finally settle in with an NFL organization.
That reality has now changed; his shot for the long term gig here is gone. It is very likely he plays here this season and then has to move on once Wentz takes over. Realizing that, he would rather leave now so he can get started on building his future somewhere else now.
You’re obviously a thoughtful guy and I wish we could have this argument over a beer or six.
Ditto PPK although the quality of my arguments would likely decrease with each beer 🙂
If he plays well, he will have more suitors.
If he does not report, he will be unemployed an sued.
If he plays like shit, he can go be a backup and learn that suddenly he’s not the hot girl at the prom anymore.
Tommy’s main point is very valid. The rope that he is publicly saying he wants through his agent, will not exist in Denver. In fact he would probably have much more rope here for at least a year.
I think it would bug teams that Sam wants to go somewhere where he’s entitled the starting gig rather than having to compete, but hey QB’s are in such demand Sam might have some leverage.
Sam has had some bad luck with injuries and the state of the teams he’s played on. No Roethsilburger in Pittsburgh or Wilson in Seattle for him. But damn, has he been lucky in making so much money on “potential”, “talent”, “eye-test”, and in leveraging his being a QB in a league with few good ones. I normally take the players’ sides in labor disputes, but I can’t get on board with Sam on this issue. If he’s any good, he should easily be able to beat out Daniels and the rookie/project Wentz.
I’m sure he’d play this year but he’s go no future here.
Has anybody made more money doing less?
What bugs me is his lack of competitive fire. I would expect something like, “I’m ‘The Man’ and this is my job. Now that I’m healthy, I’ll be playing so good we’ll be competing for the Lombardi and the Eagles will feel crappy about wasting the pick on Wentz.”
most Melissa Meyer comes to mind.
The only people who work for less are people who love their job. Bradford doesn’t love his job, and he isn’t going to work for less without the potential (on an amazing team) to earn more.
His leverage ends Sunday morning if he is still an Eagle… Let him kick and scream for a week. Who cares
Consider for a moment the case of RGIII and Kurt Cousins. Skins gave a kings ransom for RGIII look how much leash he go. 2016 eagles weren’t sam’s team, it’s clear he has no future with the eagles.
I think it’s a mischaracterization of what happened in Denver. Broncos didn’t want Osweiler, had plenty of time to sign him but didn’t, he got a huge offer from texas and left. Bradford has a chance go to a team that’s stacked, surely he can play better than Peyton did last year. It’s a much better situation.
Of course it is. I want a better job too, but I highly doubt pouting about my job now would benefit me in any way. If it would, I probably wouldn’t really want that other job anyway.
You should actually stop showing up to work, and demand a better company throws you a lifeline, then gives you a bunch of money and names you CEO.
The difference is SAM is an elite athlete in an elite league, which makes him a rare commodity, not a dime-a-dozen employee for a company that gets ten resumes faxed to it for his job every day. You know, kind of like when all the Wall Street guys were getting huge bonuses during the bailout.
I value your advice. I will try this.
He already has 2016 Eagle money in his pocket. If he wanted to play for Denver, he should have signed with Denver. He’s a bum, he will always be a bum, I hope he gets crabs.
Yo Tommy, wasn’t this more about the Eagles not using this draft to add talent to better compete this season, rather than Bradford’s fear of a rookie.
Yep, because NFL rookies are always useful.
It’s a sad day for me when a Mike Florio article looks like it could of been written by me. Even more sad for Bradford.
I was right. Yet again.
I think this Condon trying to earn his money. In other words, this is what Sam want(s)(ed): The Eagles’ money, but playing for the Broncos. I don’t think Sam is whining or anything, I think Condon sold him (and there was probably a little tampering by the Broncos, too – I mean they only signed Sanchez as their plan?) that he could get him decent money and still get him to the Broncos (which Denver wasn’t going to offer itself).
If I’m the Eagles, I call the bluff, and ask Denver for a first before I’ll even talk to them.
think it was opposite. eagles signed bradford for a year – he’s crappy he’s cut, he plays well he’s traded, plays exceptional, maybe he gets a deal. I think that’s what sam originally bought into. Auditioning for a permanent job. Now calculus is different no way he can earn a long term deal here.
If we’d traded mad picks for Tunsil how would have JP and Lane reacted, probably the same.
I think JP would be making alot of oh hey look I can suddenly play guard everybody jokes.
Remember, when Sam signed the Eagles had the 13th pick. Seems a little far fetched for Condon to have envisioned all this.
But it was still in the realm of possibility that the Eagles would draft a QB – lots of people thought Wentz would possibly last that long at that point. Also, they didn’t need a specific event like trading to 2, they could have drummed up any sort of disrespect during the voluntaries and used that as part of their demand for a trade (“at voluntaries, it was made known to Sam that he’s not in the Eagles’ long term plans”).
Yeah, it is in the realm of possibility that a scumbag agent like Condon could have planned to do something like this. More likely the idea would of been to take the deal with a plan in place should we do something like this. Still a bit far fetched, but fun to think about.
Exactly. The Broncos weren’t gonna pay as much so he extracts his signing bonus from us and gets traded there anyway. He gets his money and gets to choose where to play. (Assuming the Broncos had communicated their interest to him.)
If the Eagles dig in and DONT trade him during the draft, I won’t be surprised if this is a non issue by next Tuesday
Are other football teams even in the news this off-season?
We’re taking offseason championship again.
Well the Redskins have luckily made a bit of noise.
interesting they didn’t jump up and get a qb, i guess they believe in their guy.
He played pretty darn well down the stretch. I don’t blame them.
Nick Foles and Brian Hoyer say hi.
there’s something about Brady on talk radio here in NE. Local story.
I wish the Niners were in the news more
Chip Kelly moves are the gifts the keep on giving
care to elaborate?
Tongue in cheek.
Sally Sleves was a Chip Kelly acquisition.
Who was re-signed post Chip…
Because he was our only real option since Chip traded away our other servicable, home-grown QB.
Though I won’t argue that this is actually Chip’s fault, I was just making the connection for RobNE.
This is all Bradford’s fault. He’s a bum.
“traded away our other servicable, home-grown QB.” Matty B?
Foles
Bum indeed
If you want Goff more than Wentz your can blame chip for that, without the extra 2nd they got from us, Rams may have had a hard time getting up to #1
lol, I was wondering when someone would get around to blaming Kelly for this, too.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/26/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-north-dakota-state-pro-ready
I like Carson Wentz. Sam can go eat a bag of d***s.
Ducks? Oregon?
Dents.
It is an ancient Eskimo expression dating back to the time when they would head out for a day with their lunch packed in a tanned walrus scrotum. If you bag had nothing in it except dents, it meant it was empty. In the harsh polar environment, giving someone a bag of dents to eat was a death sentence.
“lunch packed in a tanned walrus scrotum”
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This site is not just about football.
An anthropological golden nugget.
I was joking, but I do appreciate your clarification and background on dents, ATG. We’re never to old to be students of life. Why did you star the “ent”part of it?
I didn’t make the original statement. I would imagine mksp censored himself because in Eskimo culture, wishing a bag of dents upon someone is one of the most foul and hateful statements that one can make.
And I say “I would imagine” because I am making up every part of this storyline as we go, knowing nothing of Eskimo culture and even less of walrus scrotums.
I’ll go with your creativity and try it on my Maine friends who are one or two tribes removed from the Eskimos. If I survive, I’ll be back to you.
This being the first time in my life that I have ever had “walrus scrotums” occupy my mind, the rapidity with which you resorted to that phrase makes me doubt the last five words of your comment…
It says something that mskp would tell that to SAM but not his archenemy.
If Bradford is somehow still on the team this year, I hope Howie drafts two QBs this year just to give Bradford another slap in the face.
Wentz/Goff in the first
Brissett in the fifth.
that’ll show him!! Eagles carrying 4 QB’s. Smart.
We don’t have a 3rd QB.
Bradford/Chase/Wentz — 1, 2 and 3 and Brisset? Am I missing something?
yea. the eventual trade after Bradford is even more pissed off and sits out.
Copy cat. 😉
who did I copy?
Me me me. Probably not knowingly and unintentionally. I said yday I wanted the Eagles to double down on drafting QBs this year. 😉
you seem really focused today on pointing out your earlier correct posts.
Lol. Claiming that I want (jokingly) the Eagles to double down on a QB this year is not really about claiming to be right, innit?!
We signed DT Mike Martin to a 1-year deal. He was a 3rd round pick of the Lions in 2012 but can’t say I remember him from that draft year. Anyway, I’m a fan of adding depth guys before the draft to make us more flexible in our later picks.
we don’t have much draft ammo to get guys, i’d almost prefer we package picks to get into the second round and just pick someone in the second and then maybe 5th, 6th and 7th.
The flexibility I’m talking is not for moving up but for taking BPA at those picks including potential boom/bust types like demarcus robinson
You aren’t going to move up much with our picks, more likely to try to move down 10 picks or so in 3rd for a late 4th. It’s deep in players at some positions of need.
gross. you’re right.
This is absolutely the move I want to make.
is he more than a camp body?
sam bradford? at this point, not really.
To me its the same thing as the WRs we signed. Perhaps only camp bodies but makes it less of an absolute need to spend a pick at the position.
Yes.
He’s a Mike Patterson type 1tech (squatty, powerful, can penetrate a bit but not an athletic playmaker). Contributed a bunch his first two years. Then TEN switched to a 34 and he fell out of favor due to awkward fit.
It’s a smart signing. He’s here to compete with Beau for the backup 1Tech job.
He’s like Chris Givens. He’s not going to be some great diamond in the rough, but is a solid experienced guy who costs nothing, can be cut for nothing, and can be a solid role player.
“…but is a solid experienced guy who costs nothing, can be cut for nothing, and can be a solid role player.”
That’s disrespectful. What if he wants to be the man? He shouldn’t have to look over his shoulder and compete for his position based on his third round draft status. He should demand a trade;-)
I know I just signed for veteran minimum, but I find it disrespectful that you do not view me as the long term starter over Fletcher Cox.
Harumph!
Would A.J. Hawk be a similar option for the LB corps?
http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016/04/bengals-release-a-j-hawk
Loved Hawk, I think he’s done. Martin is 25 and a solid role player. Hawk is more like Demeco.
If we strike out in the draft or get hit with the injury bug, I’d call Hawk, but at this point, no.
What about Tulloch if he’s cut?
Same category. Over the hill, I’m not calling until I’ve exhausted the draft, UDFA, and trying a player for player swap.
TY. I really didn’t know him..
Tyler gotchu.
Bradford wants to become “the Man” which is tricky when you embody “the Princess”.
I’ll be annoyed if they trade SAM, but part of me will find it Hilarious if Sanchez has to deal with Sammy taking his job again
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Doubt a team and the Eagles will agree on the value to be able to get this trade done during the draft, but QB desperation could lead a team to take drastic measures
It’ll get done. Don’t you worry
Are there any teams transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this offseason? Would be nice if we could swap parts on our team that don’t fit anymore (like Hart or Allen) with similar type guys on a team moving from 4-3 to 3-4.
I have been looking forward to a Taylor Hart trade all offseason, but this draft is so stacked with DL talent that it may be hard to get a pick for Hart. Best BET may be a player for player trade.
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No one talks about it, but DT is probably our biggest need, because we don’t have ANYONEon the bench that fits a Schwartz scheme… We have bad backups at some other positions, but those Backups only have to play if a starter gets injured, where as a backup DT needs to contribute as part of a rotation week 1..
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If that’s not bad enough, we don’t have have a Backup 3technique. can’t assume Cox will stay healthy16 games every yeàr. Need a Backup for Cox first and foremost who will be ready to contribute to the rotation as a rookie, and this player has To bring an interior pass rusher because all our DTs are more run stuffers than pass rushers, and you need explosive one gap Backups to give Schwartz the type of beastly DL rotation needed to run his scheme at a high level
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I’ll be pretty pissed if the 3rd round pick ISNT a DT (3technique)..
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DT and a backup for Peters are our biggest immediate needs, because if you ARENT right in the trenches, no point in worrying about other positions.. DT is a bigger Need than a backup for Peters because the DT has to contribute while the OT can sit all year if we can keep Peters on the field..
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DT is a premier high valued position
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It’s a position we lack depth at the most
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And it gives us Bang for our draft Buck because the DT will contribute as a rookie..
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Love to be able to get that Hargraves kid at 79, no idea how realistic him falling to 79 is, but I have 3 days left to be able to dream
DT is definitely one of our biggest needs but luckily its also one of the deepest positions in the draft. I’d be fine waiting a bit.
Im actually hoping for a DT at 79, another one in round 6 or 7, and a few Undrafted guys too… Need to remake our entire Bench at DT.
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To build a top Defense under schwartz we need to be at least 8 deep with DL contributing in every game:
4 DE’s: Curry, BG, Barwin and hopefully MS2
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4Dts: Cox, Logan, #79, ???…. And you may need a 5th DT/DE with versatility in case of injuries
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Iron Howie . . .
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Howie got a fourth round pick for Bryce Brown.
The adults are back in charge.
Joe Banner has some interesting tweets up on Bradford.
In particular, that Bradford’s desire to jump is — if I read Banner correctly — not about the Wentz deal.
But actually prompted by the interest of a playoff team with a proven coach.
Here’s the tweet:
Hahahaha JFC.
Don’t know what I love more:
1. Pretty obvious tampering
2. Cold feet Sammy
Just give him the 85 Bears on D and the Greatest Show on Turf on O, and by golly he’ll finely be super duper awesome.
Was that wrong?
Should he not have done that?
Joe is super smart. And obviously Tom has a lot of history with Elway.
Ring is a Ring. If they could win with performance they got from Peyton/Osweiler last year they can def win Sammy B.
And if they don’t win it all the excuse will be?
Oh well it’s hard to show you’re good playing in such high altitudes, little oxygen you know.
Denver needs to make sure it’s the 6th seed to guarantee they play on the road.
you’re right
False, a few guys left, no way they get that same level of play out of that D imo. None of those former great Defenses were able to go back to back and Im not sure Denver is in that same league. Def close though. I think its a huge mistake for Broncos to think they can mismanage the QB position and still be contenders. Aint happening
“mismanage the QB position”. Elway watched Osweiler for 4 years at that point you know what you have. If sitting behind peyton for that time can get you to be starter level…
i used to do this to girls in high school. you wanna get out but without feeling guilty so you make up some shit to pretend it’s really about.
Hopefully, the young bucks on here are paying attention.
Bryce Brown was a stud his first season. He had as big a breakout as Murray’s initial breakout. But bills do love overpaying for RBs.
Bryce Brown has 1000 career yards. 350 came in a two game stretch. He’s a good athlete, and for two games he was able to bounce everything and outrun people. But he’s a pretty bad RB.
Howie does take advantage of good circumstances.
Love it
I was right like always
(psst, right or wrong, no one cares. like always)
Why you reply
Tommy, I’ve been reading your stuff for about seven years, and I’ve never seen you as fired up about something as you are about this Bradford trade demand fiasco.
And so right on
Picturing Tom with some Epic 80’s mullet makes me think of Kenny “Fucking” Powers..
Think I found a deal that makes sense for all involved.
https://twitter.com/Astonia67/status/725007946468495363
Cody Lattimer is who I thought we were drafting when we traded up for Jordan Matthews.
🙁
same
interesting Lattimer has done 0 in 2 years thought he was a way better prospect, but barely gets on the field.
Yea. He’s got deep speed, and who knows maybe he just needs a change of scenery. Would be the ideal sweetener.
but can he still catch?
He had good hands coming out.
then we’re not interested. Oh wait, Chip is gone.
Yea but does he have long arms?
Rookie year with Manning throwing to Emmanuel Sanders and Demaryius Thoms.
Last year the entire passing game was a mess.
I still think he’s a better player than JMatt. Had great hands coming out of school.
Yeah if you see Sanders + Manning + Maybe Lattimer i’d take that over our guys, even though i really do like Jmatt, Ertz and Aggy but that’s b/c i’m an eagles fan.
Huff > Lattimer
Huff is not very good
I live out in Denver and the guy is still kind of an unkown per talk radio. The see glimpses but he doesnt see field much mostly per Kubiak only running 3 WR sets at most with more focus on power run game. DT, Sanders and the other kid is playing great, Norwood and even Caldwell after him. Just wish they took Robinson instead
would be interesting if they got a Third plus lattimer.
this is almost like referring to yourself in 3rd person…lol
Hahahha. Tyler just gets tired of putting some of the same stuff out on twitter and then retyping it here. Tyler is lazy.
reminds me of the Jimmy Seinfeld episodes. Jimmy likes Elaine!
This is borderline Tyler Durden territory now.
You know you’re the same guy right? D3FB = Tyler
That’s always been my position since he started tweeting!
Tyler disagrees.
For whatever reason, I never considered player-for-player trade compensation. How was Sambraillo this past year?
He got IR’ed partway through the year, but was pretty good in preseason and I think played a little bit as a reserve. He’s just unfortunately buried a bit after they signed Okung.
Does trading away two picks from this draft for a QB make it more likely that we trade playërs for extra picks during the draft, or less likely?
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Obviously we would like extra picks since we lost two of them and spent our first on a QB who will be placed in bubble wrap for a year or two….. But I was more into the possibility of flipping guys like Ryan Mathews for picks before the trade with the Browns, it doesn’t appeal to me as much because now we are limited with the amount of picks we have, so im less willing to trade guys creating more holes for extra picks… Adding an extra pick now, by creating extra holes is something I was more willing to do before the Browns trade when we had 9 picks to play with… Now with limited resources Id rather not create more needs, and rather just use the picks we have to try and fill as many needs as we can.. Im down to trade back for more picks, but id rather not trade one of our RBs..
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No idea why Elliot Shorr parks thinks we are trading Sproles…. That would piss me off
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Want to trade Taylor Hat so bad, probably hard to do in a draft stacked with DT talent. Might have to trade him for some player who is a long shot to make our roster
when has ESP ever been right about anything Eagles related?
Thankfully…, I didn’t want to take a QB in round 1, but I’d rather take Wentz than Conklin who ESP claims we would be taking at #8 any day…
I would have let teams move up and gotten Tunsil, or Elliot.
What’s the downside to trading Sproles if you can get a decent return? We won’t compete for two years and he’ll be gone by then. I’d prefer to get something for him and just use Barner in that role next year. Obviously a downgrade but again, who cares given the situation?
Given the situation? The situation is that this team receives no benefit from an noncompetitive season. I don’t know about you but I want to see the best possible product on the field come September.
especially now that they’ve traded high picks – def don’t want those picks to be top 10s next year.
Even more important is we have a lot of yoûng developing players, and they are better off developing on a team trying to win the division than they are developing on a team THATS punting on the season..
Yeah after the past year and a half, I don’t have the strength to sit thru a sinking ship of a season, especially when there is zero upside to being bad now that we traded our first away… The division ISNT good enough to not try and win it… Better for developing young players to spend a year competing for a division instead of spending the year on a 5 win team which can be extra stressful in this city..
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Nothing positive can come from sucking next year
washington is going to be good next year. But i agree with what you’re saying and I think that’s how Lurie feels. Think they tried to have cake and eat it too. But it’s not going how they planned.
Yes, but I think This bradford noise will quickily Dissapear if he is still an eagle on Sunday morning.
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I assume it goes something like this:
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1) Bradford gets pissed, wants out..
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2) Agent reminds him how little market their was for him this offseason, telling SAM that it’s unlikely that a team would offer enough to get the Eagles to trade him, so they really only had 1 option, take advantage of the timing of this being draft week, to try and make enough noise to get the Eagles to accept whatever the best offer is on draft night even if it’s lower than what the Eagles would require in return to pull the trigger on a trade. Try to take advantage of what little leverage they have now going into the draft since if the Eagles DONT trade him during the draft, probably becomes unlikely that they trade him.. So they try to make as much noise and threats as they can during draft week to pressure Roseman into dumping Sam for whatever he can get in return…
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3) But if Roseman stays strong and refuses to trade him for less than he views as acceptable compensation and Bradford is still an Eagle on Sunday morning, they realize that their best move then becomes to shut up, join the team, learn the offense, take advantage of his first summer not having to rehab an injury to get himself ready to have the best season possible since he will be playing for his next job..
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Knowing how little market their was for Bradford, agent knows it’s unlikely that a team will give the Eagles enough to get them to trade him, so they have to kick and scream all week hoping to force Roseman into trading him during the draft for whatever he can get…. Good Luck with that Strategy, see you at Novacare on Monday Sam…
I’m not just not buying into Washington being all that good. To believe in the Redskins, you have to believe that Kirk Cousins is good, and I just can’t go there.
Well then we better work things out with Bradford because he is the best QB we have by far
Just get to sunday, and most of this should blow over
Receives no benefit only in the first round. They can still get benefits of drafting earlier in other rounds.
Not even until the third round. Honestly picking 65th overall is not a big deal compared to picking 75th overall.
Still better than nothing.
Better than nothing probably isn’t worth purposely punting on next season
Did we lose our 2nd round pick in some trade I’m not aware of?
Bradford deal
Incorrect
This really isn’t complicated. No benefit from what Sproles will give you vs. the benefit of what you get from the player taken with the pick traded for Sproles.
I expect the Eagles will be disagreeing with that
I care. One of the most Dissapointing things about chip is how poorly he used sproles. Talk about a lack of Immagination. I haven’t seen any signs of him slowing down yet, and Im very interested to see how he looks in terms of pass catching weapon in a scheme that weaponized RBs like Jamaal Charles and Brian westbrook really well..
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Even with SPROLES and Mathews I think we need to draft a RB.
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He is still as dangerous as ever in the return game, and After how chip used him, he is one of the guys im most interested in seeing how he looks in the west coast offense that has been very creating in throwing to CHarles and Westbrook..
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If we were going to go down the rebuild path, our offseason should have been very different… having a 3rd 5th round pick DOESNT interest me when we are in the position To have a legit shot at winning the division. SPROLES is still more valuable to me than a 5th round pick… And his first class work ethic is good to have yeàr 1 for a new Coach..I could see him having two quality years left in him
Chip’s use of Sproles is a valid complaint but has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sproles is very unlikely to be around in 2 years when we will be competitive again. So if you’re not part of the future and have some value in the present, we should be cashing in on that value.
I agree they are hurting the team by not rebuilding, should have done it years ago.
Well I expect to be competitive this year, and won’t be giving the team a pass if they fail to win this weak division. So we can agree to disagree.
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My only goal going into this season is win the division, Sproles gives me a better shot of that then an extra 5th round pick.
That’s fair. I think we just have different expectations for this year especially if we are trading Bradford.
See, I dont expect us to be able to get enough in return to get Roseman to trade him…. But if Bradford ISNT here, than I absolutely have to significantly change those expectations, I don’t want Goff, but I do think he is much more ready to play next yeàr than Wentz is. and I damn sure wouldn’t expect to be winning any divisions with Chase Daniels as our QB all year. I want at least 1 full red shirt year for Wentz
Sort of curious where everyone is getting the notion that this team won’t be competitive in the present?
i looked at schedule.
I’ll hold off on giving a record until late summer, but a championship caliber defense doesn’t seem all that far out of the realm of possibility.
It be a big failure if both the offense and defense arent better than they were last year, And our ST should still be one of the best in the game.
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We have a lot of young players who should be better than the players they were last year…. 4th year Cox and 3rd year bennie should prove to be an absolute interior Terror of a DT tandem, with our ends split out wide funneling all the action inside to Man Dog, Bennie the beast, and Hicks coming downhill
I mean if they hadn’t played 5 seasons by week 8 last year they were on a pretty good clip to start the season. The inability of the coaching staff to utilize their team strength on defense was the most maddening part of last season.
True that…. Amazing at how drastically different the defense was the first half of the season compared to the second half of the season, especially since it’s not like the defense was completely ravaged by injuries late in the yeàr to explain such a major defensive implosion.
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Our Defenders probably played 4 seasons worth of snaps in the past 3 years… If that’s not bad enough, our key offensive veterans like JP were getting ran into the ground and forced to practice while trying to manage injuries, and with a Fucked offensive line, we were running more plays, trying to expose SAM to more hits…
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Probably not worth the huffing and puffing we would see from opposing defenses on Occassion
The biggest issue was the inability of the offense to sustain drives. I only imagine where we would be if Chip had continued to slow the offense down as he did during a 2 game win streak. Maybe we win 2 more games and the division. Who knows what happens then. Maybe its better that we didnt…..
I REALLY like the game that Shurmur coached week 17. Mix and match of tempos, let sam make calls at the line. Not all shotgun. Sammy had a 78%(!) completion rate 30-38, 320 yds 2 TDs and one tip pick.
Yeah that was my favorite way that we played all year regardless of success we had… An actual balance between using tempo as a weapon, but not enough to hurt our defense
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One historical caveat re: the Giants game before drawing too much sustenance from it.
Their defense was the 3rd worst all-time.
By comparison, the Saints hung 52 points on them — and Brees looked like, well, Brees v.2006-12.
That doesn’t really fit into my narrative. Will say that divisional teams play better against each other, but agree.
bravo!!!
to be filed for re-use.
On a positive note, it’ll also be terrible this year.
The Spags Effect.
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And Pederson wanted in Philadelphia because . . . ?
I don’t think he really ever did. The Schwartz signing smells of Howie having already negotiated terms with the dude before we had a head coach announced. Schwartz was working in the league office, so we didn’t have to tamper with him either.
I agree, but if Daniels/Wentz is your 1-2 at QB, this offense could rival the ’91 offense. They have no RBs that you can count on to carry the load. They have young WRs that haven’t proven themselves in the roles they’ll be inhabiting. The OL is going to be in flux, with JP likely missing significant stretches of time, but demanding to be the LT when he does play, and a center that is at a crossroads in his relatively young career, with what appears to be a big hole at one guard position. If you’ve got hot garbage and a rookie throwing the ball in what appears to be a west coast offense under those circumstances, I think “dumpster fire” is a real possibility for the offense.
I think the defense can be very good, but not historically good, which is what it would take to be competitive with an offense where everything has gone wrong.
This team could fail to win 5 games this year. I hate it, but it’s a very real possibility.
We are in a league where Chris Ivory had one of the higher rushing totals last year. Compared to him RM is a franchise back if we can keep him relatively healthy. Sproles is still a well above average back who has done nothing but produce. Barner showed some promise.
To me, without adding any pieces, this is a back field that I would take over the majority of the league.
Just because we lost DM doesn’t mean we didn’t have an over abundance of guys last year.
We probably have the best stable of RBs in the division today
I was thinking it but didnt feel like defending it. I agree completely.
I thought we had that last year ::sigh::
We did, we just gave too many snaps to the wrong RB, and our OL sucked too much for it to really matter anyway
I like Ryan Mathews. But two things, one of which you’ve acknowledged but not internalized. First, health. Never has been able to sustain the load of being a feature back. Doesn’t mean he can’t this year, but counting on it is very dangerous, IMO. Second, scheme fit. Reid’s offenses seem to do best with scat backs, who are jukers. RM is talented enough to do well anyway, but he’s not a perfect fit for this scheme.
I like Sproles, but he’s a) getting old- never know when father time’s gonna kick in your teeth and b) definitely not a 15-20 carries a game guy. If RM gets hurt, this is dangerous territory.
A pox on Barner’s house. I’m looking forward to seeing him cut.
More likely.
I was looking forward to Hart in year 3 under Chip, so I still kinda want to see what he offers in this scheme. Probably not much. Odds of trading him are probably very low.
I wouldn’t be ready to get rid of him if we were still asking him to 2gap as a 3-4 DE. I don’t see him earning a spot Longterm as a gap shooting DT who will be asked to explode into the backfield on every play… Im too lazy to go back and look at how he performed in what few 3rd down pass rushing chances he got last year when we went to our 4 man lines…
I thought one of his good traits was his ability to rush the passer as a 1 gap player in college? Am I remember incorrectly? I know that doesn’t mean he is suited to it in the 4-3, in the NFL, just wondering.
If I remember correctly, he was better at collapsing the pocket with his Bullrush, and tipping Balls with his wingspan than he was at manufacturing sacks when Oregon went to its 4 man line on 3rd down…. He isn’t very explosive as an athlete… His run defense was his strength, with his height and reach he was always more suited for two gapping. Probably not the guy we want exploding thru gaps and getting into the backfield..
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I wish someone kept track of how many times he got knocked on the ground last year, per snap. I’d be in that Data Because I remember often being pissed off at how frequent he was on the ground which isn’t a good thing.
Guys like Hart and Allen would get you conditional 7th round picks for 2017 I’d think. Maybe a 6th for Hart if Chip is really into adding him. But San Fran already has a 3-4 roster.
Sucks to see so much of the young roster you have been waiting for to have to be tossed. I know they are 1 trick ponies, but I don’t have to like it!
Should never have switched to that wretched 3-4.
MM —
But you don’t understand.
The 3-4 with mirror safeties is the only way Kelly thought his offense could be stopped.
So naturally — using his growth mindset — he extended his theory to ALL offenses.
And how’d that work out?
I’d like to smash that mirror over his head.
MM –
You’re in vintage form.
Others might say my vintage has gone to vinegar.
It’s a copycat league. Too bad the other teams are so slow to adapt.
LMAO !!!!!!
Mac —
Maybe the most dryly funny comment I’ve ever read here.
Thanks! (but don’t tell ATG)
ok give credit where due Kempski with another good article on Bradford.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/sam-bradfords-agent-spoke-lets-dissect-mind-blowing-idiocy-his-words/
“At what point does draft position become irrelevant when we’ve had six
years to determine what a player really is in the NFL?” – You can see why Sam knows he’s done in Philly and wants out.
By the looks of that quote he should retire.
meant that more to say that given draft resources Wentz will get tons of leeway to do his thing.
I’d be more impressed if Kempski could interview Bradford’s mom to see what she says about him.
ok well I liked it.
Sorry, I see how that seemed a bit crass. I enjoyed the article as well. But the humor factor of comparing what Bradford’s agent has to say about his talent level to comments from his own mom would be so fantastically humorous.
no worries
Jimmy has a pretty good BS detector (even if he occasionally spouts it himself).
Takes one to know one.
Lol Manziels lawyer is basically claiming that Johnny beat up his girlfriend to stop her from drinking and driving, which is why he forced her into the car and Apparently hit her multiple times causing her to temporary lose her hearing..
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So apparently Chivarly ISNT dead lol, Good Samaritan manziel is going to court for beating up his girlfriend to try and keep her from drinking and driving… What a geat guy! Prince Charming…
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Creative defense, if anything… I guess that’s the best excuse for a kidnapping charge, I was forcing her to not drink and drive, I swear… I should be getting a medal, not jail time
wow
Here’s what Manziel’s lawyer — Jim Darnell (expensive, very experienced) — is quoted as saying, through a written statement he issued, about the charges:
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“We certainly respect the decision of the grand jury but of course they only hear one part of the case: What the D.A. chooses to share with them. We don’t know what that was,” the statement said. “The case will now be assigned to a court in Dallas County where the parties are able to join the issue. Johnny will certainly plead ‘not guilty’ and we believe the evidence will support that plea.
“Out of respect for Ms. Crowley, we will not try the case in the press. We do, however, believe that Johnny will be acquitted at the conclusion of this case.”
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Where did you see what you call his lawyer “basically claiming” anything on the merits?
I’d like to see it.
Not a schmuck could be up for debate.
http://www.jdarnell.com/ (referring only to the cowboy hat in the photo)
If Darnell said anything about the merits, he’d be treading a pretty thin tightrope.
More bad news: “Head impacts from single season of high school football produce measurable change in brain cells” [presumably not for the better-CT]
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160425143653.htm
but but Wentz says he’s fine!!
b/c he just started getting in games 2 years ago.
ooh thats not good.
I guess I’ll have to learn to appreciate tennis, golf, bowling and nascar.
Do you like turning left? If so, then you are gonna LOVE NASCAR!
Next they’ll say Nascar is dangerous. Sou-eey!
Might even stop selling Jarts.
A decade from now, football might look an awful lot like tennis, golf, and bowling.
http://www.nflflag.com/
but I like football and Bruce Arians says girls soccer gets just as much head trauma, and he says football is our way of life so beat it with your fancy science “facts”
arians is a mole person
It strikes me that Arians is an interesting name. It is very ancient, meaning “noble” in reconstructed Indo-European language. The IE-speaking peoples were associated with the battle-axe and also with the horse. They migrated to Europe, Eastern Asia, and the Indian subcontinent. This migration had many of the characteristics of conquest, although it appears to have been fairly peaceful in Europe (perhaps leading to the fairy-tales where the clever boy wins the princess and half the kingdom, but not through force). In many cases, the migrants formed the aristocracy or elite caste in the merged societies, possibly keeping at least some of their racial identity intact along with their horse-riding, war-like qualities. For example, the famous noble Greeks of the Iliad would have been of this caste. It is also probably where we get the European tradition of the knight lording it over the peasant. Apparently, this narrative is in dispute in India, where some find the idea that foreign invaders had dominated the locals in prehistory rather distasteful. This is ironic, since “Arian” means noble in Sanskrit.
Saw a post over on 24/7 that due to the Martin signing, MSII is now requesting a trade due to unfair defensive line competition… pure gold
p.s.- Thank you to all for the kind words yesterday. It has really helped our family with our loss.
In Soviet Russia, players trade teams!
Completely forgot MSII existed
you know what it says on Wentz’s college jersey don’t you SAM?
Bi Son!
Is it a fact that Sam wants out of Philly?
I have read that the Eagles want Sam and Sam has said publicly that he wants to be an Eagle before we traded up to select a QB.
I know that does change things, but I think this could work itself out and Sam shows up for Mandatory camp and move forward but it seems like we are now accepting that he is being traded since an unnamed source says he wants a trade.
Maybe I missed something, but last I heard the Eagles are maintaining that they want Sam to start for them this coming season.
Can’t the Eagles shut this down by saying we are not trading Sam and we will resolve this matter in house once training camp begins?
They could, but ultimately Sam needs to show up for the mandatory things or he’s facing fines. So I’m not sure it benefits the Eagles to say much of anything in either case. I’m also of the mind that Howie should (and does) have a cut line of what Bradford is worth in a trade if offered.
Interesting article on productivity of draft classes over last 5 years: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/62231/71/which-teams-draft-the-best
SEA far and away the best. SF has had most picks and least success. Philly right in the middle. WAS by far the best in the division, NYG by far the worst.
Washington is average, just like Philly, Min, Ten, Cle, Jax, and Chi. They all fall right on the trend line. Yes, Washington had more picks, but the average AV per pick is the same as Philly.
The “football guy” in SF has been pretty horrific though.
I wonder how much of that is the coaching staff and how much is the ability to spot talent.
Also, not a shock that the Giants suck at drafting. I laughed out loud last year when they traded up for a “safety” who couldn’t cover his own head with a had, let alone any player under 300lbs in a pass pattern.
when the Giants hit, they really hit on studs.
But the entire rest of their picks suck, hence their sucky team, sucky front office, and especially sucky fan base.
I’m thinking this is locker room material for Tom Coughlin, who… will still be visiting the locker room after his workouts.
Let’s see if this works…
Are we the most average team in the entire league according to that graph?
Not at QB.
Sam Bradford’s an historically below-average QB.
But he has top-tier excuses.
no, would be according to our win loss records over the last 10 years.
Don’t know if this has been discussed before here but multiple media members are now saying SD likes Ronnie Stanley over Laremy Tunsil and he’ll be the pick at 3 if they don’t trade down.
Boy, put Tunsil on the Cowboys yet and Romo might actually be able to play until he is 50 and the gaurenteed money in his contract runs out.
We need to put Bosa on the Cowboys so our QB can rest easy for 4 or 5 years.
I am looking forward to Eagles nation reaction if Tunsil AND Jack will be available at #8.
No matter how the rest of this draft works out for the Eagles I can’t wait to hit the bar at 5.59pm this Thursday!
None of those guys are making it to 8.
Ravens/Jaguars would love either guys.
Niners would love to get Tunsil.
We shall see…
If the picks go Goff, Wentz, Stanley, Bosa, Ramsey as the top 5 there is no way I see Baltimore passing on Tunsil. They just signed Flacco to a big money deal and their current left tackle (Monroe) is a declining player who was never that good to begin with.
Odgen was one of the best players at his position in the history of the NFL. I don’t think they pass on a chance to anchor their o-line with such a top LT talent.
Hell, I can even make a case that they’d have taken Stanley at 6 if he was there as well.
Yeah think BAL getting either passrusher or LT, when you’re at the top of the draft only infrequently, think that’s how you have to go, or QB.
These pass rushers have some serious warts, unless both Tunsil and Stanley are gone I think Balt will take one of them.
We shall see….
Agreed they would be all over a franchise LT in an instant. Seems like they have only had a few high picks since they have been around. The 3 in the top 10 I can remember right off the top of my head. LT, QB, LT.
Ozzie knows whats up.
Some sort of “expert” came on while I was listening to Baltimore sports talk two days ago. Host asked him about Jack to Ravens (seems to be fan fav). Guy said he was hearing Jack is going to fall to the later part of first due to the knee, teens at best.
FWIW.
What is working against Jack besides the knee is that a lot of teams don’t value 4-3 LB or 3-4 ILB as a premium position.
When one looks at the death insurance policy at LT for San Diego right now, how can they not like either Tunsil or Stanley over garbage King Dunlap?
Have people forgotten that sam helped us to beat the pats this year, even when chip tried to throw that game away?
I thought Mr. Bow Tie won it for us…
if only he could catch picks more often. He should have gone to OK to catch passes w/ sam as well.
He’d be an all pro if his hands were better!
Eric Rowe was BIGTIME that day, holding up while BRady tried to pick on him… Death Rowe 1, Tom Brady 0
so has Bradford been traded yet? slow day compared to yesterday
I’ll be creeping on Twitter extra close in the 18 or so hours in between the end of round 1 and the start of round 2. If one team besides Denver gets salty they missed on Lynch gets into the bidding, we can have Sam moved.
how does Lynch keep Denver as a contender this year? That’s a long term move, no?
He can probably hand a ball to a RB, just like Peyton did in the SB.
but they only were in the SB because they were the number one seed, beat the Pats in the regular season etc so got to play them at home, etc. You can’t view it as just the SB.
Or, he can develop on the bench behind Sanchez!
What are the odds this was all orchestrated between Condon and Elway.
https://twitter.com/975TheFanatic/status/725061528664330241
Lol beat me to it.
Time for Buffalo to jump into the mix.
100%. not even doing a good job trying to disguise it. Elway and Condon realize they want each other, and Elway asked Condon for some help getting the asking price from the eagles to be lower. In the end, Elway knows he is screwed with Sanchez or with a rookie for next year. Bradford is best option out of a few pretty bad options. Roseman knows all of this and is calling Elway’s bluff. Elway is not going to go into preseason without Bradford as QB.
This was my read yesterday… although reading some comments and takes from people it could be just 100% Bradford being a whiny bitch and massively over rating his value.
I would hang tough till draft day, either market for QB’s settles when teams get the QB’s they are targeting and then Bradford has no options and has to crawl back to the team, or we will have a team bent over a barrel and can extract quality value for him.
League needs to beef up it’s tampering policy.
Or take care of tampering properly.
WHERE IS MY 3RD ROUND PICK FROM KC???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Please don’t get me riled up about this again.
And I didn’t want Maclin back at that salary anyway, but I do want that 3rd!
#counterproductive #outsmartedthemselves
Im still not buying it. I dont think any teams want Bradford. Im sticking to this until a move is made and Im pleasantly surprised.
Oh I think Elway wants Sam, he just doesn’t want to pay him or give up any draft compensation to acquire him.
His salary would only be $7 mil for 2016, so Elway is hardly paying him.
He doesn’t have $7M in cap space and still has to sign Von Miller to a long-term deal and sign rookies.
So Bradford and Connor Barwin for Miller.
Also, I know a $7 cap hit for a QB works there because that is the level to which they were asking Kaep to reduce his salary.
Interesting how that number works out precisely.
The rumor of the Jets offer to Fitzy is also $7 mil
Which would be another reason why I love howie’s strong stand on this one
If Elway wants SAM his offer needs to start with Bradley ROBEY, quality player on cheap rookie deal, And also include a pick….. Or they are welcome to waste a year with Hakenberg and Sanchez… Why would we bail them out of their QB mess? Have fun wasting your Super Bowl window with an elite defense and no QB
They are built to win right now. A rookie QB does nothing for them. Sanchez is a liability.
This is sort of like Chip saying there was not a better running back in the 4th round when they traded for Sproles. You could make the same argument for Sam. No QB the Broncos could take at 31 would be better than Sam.
We don’t give a shit who you want to play for Bradford. If you have the stones to demand a trade because you are afraid of a rookie and career backup, you don’t get to pick where you go.
Unfortunately any trade will probably be contingent upon a new deal. The worst part is I liked Bradford
https://twitter.com/975TheFanatic/status/725061528664330241
Lol – and we thought TO and Drew Rosenhaus were bad.
if bradford starts doing situps in his driveway i’m gonna try to get into soccer or something
good luck
I would be more worried if he’d be doing biceps curls.
Lets trade him to the 49ers now. Since he has 0 say in where he is traded as he has absolutely no power in this.
This.
As late as yesterday, I was thinking that this was a story in search of evidence. Has anybody from NCC confirmed that Bradford id requesting a trade? Reading that here has me a bit shocked, because I was not expecting confirmation. Has Bradford gone on record?
His agent Tom Condon was on SiriusXM NFL radio yesterday confirming it. Below someone has a link where Kempski breaks down the entire interview line by line.
Thank you sir.
Wow. It is difficult to believe a word out of Condon’s mouth. In fact, I am halfway convinced that this is all smoke, and Bradford is hot about something unrelated to his status on the team. Maybe his spouse is issuing ultimatums for a change in venue, or maybe his Okie tastes are not being served in our fair city. I am speculating (obviously), but the official line is literally unbelievable.
It’s seemed surreal to me after I listened to it.
Bradford is a putz. How about the Roger Farve situation in green bay? All you have to do is play well.
But….
He aint brett farve.
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/725027111027748869
https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/725054549552205824
But I think they had to know they were getting Wentz at 2.
I agree 100%
[In the War Room, days after the Rams moved up to pick #1 to get Jared Goff]
Yeah, good job guys, high-fives all around, we succeeded in moving up to #2, that means we’ve got a 50% chance of getting GOFF!
(an interval passes, some people listen to talk radio)
Wait, guys, sounds like the Rams like Goff. That sux!!!
great, now wentz comes in thinking we hate him like we hate Bradford.
can someone over there get it straight to not alienate players?
I honestly think that is BS. I think Wentz has been their guy and I’m not sure they trade to 2 if they arent positive the Rams are taking Goff.
PERFECT.
This’ll be Mike Quick 2.0
Highly doubt that… Did Schultzy, whoever he is, suffer a concussion recently?
I know I brought this up a while ago, but what are people’s thoughts on moving Connor Barwin if we were offered something decent in return.
Barwin’s next 3 cap hits are $7.35, $8.35, $10.25
Graham’s are $5, $7.5, and $7.5
Curry’s are $3, $9, $11, $11.25, and $12.
All things being equal a total of $15.35 million for this year at DE is fine, but next year it rises to over $22 million.
My question is if all three guys blow up in sack totals under Schwartz is a better to move one after this year or move one now if you get a decent enough offer?
Looking at his cap numbers near Free Agency, I was surprised it hadn’t happened. Every other move was predictable. But I think we could get some value in return for a non-ideal scheme fit. We all love Barwin but recouping some draft picks and clearing some future salary could be a need now.
Although if he gets 10+ sacks playing for Schwartz this year………….he might get us more next year.
Yeah, but does he really get 10+ sacks with Curry and Graham going back to their natural positions? I wouldn’t mind him rotating at SAM LB, but Bradham seems to be taking over that role. I am only for trading him if it gets decent value. I think a 2nd next year would be fair. Once again, I have no problem with keeping him. But I am also not against trading some veterans for decent value if we need to. The team is clearly in need of a rebuild or “retool.” This half-ass trying to just make the playoffs thing every year isn’t going to make us a contender.
The move to 2 is bold and really sacrificed our assets so we may need to move some contracts, add other positions of need in FA, and hit on more quality draft picks in order to be successful. I’m not necessarily against the move but we might as well retool in year 1 of the new coach instead of in year 3 again.
Yes. They’re going to rotate D linemen and I could see Barwin, Curry, and Graham all being 10+ under Schwartz. Think about how much pocket collapse Cox and Logan will do.
This D might not be a top unit, but I can see 50+ sacks.
Don’t think there will be a shortage of snaps on rush downs as there is a pretty good chance Curry will continue to slide in to DT where he just abuses OG’s who cannot handle his speed and power.
Barwin can turn the edge pretty effectively and has a nice range of pass rush moves so i think he will be able to get his. Schwartz does not blitz much so the sacks tend to be spread over the DL and not much else where. I would guess 7-11 sacks for Barwin in 2016 so he can get to 10 although i think probably he ends up 1/2 short of that.
I could see Barwin being moved for the right offer. He is a top 10 OLB in a 3-4 if you combine his coverage, setting the edge in the run game and pass rush ability.
As a 4-3 DE i think he is more of an average starter for the position, still valuable and worth it at $7.35mil… but he is more valuable than that to a 3-4 team where he is a quality starter and a below market value contract with 3 years of remaining non guaranteed control.
Now i do not trade him for less than something close to a 3rd round pick in value, but i do not love the pass rushing OLB’s in this class and a team might have a need having missed on some of their priority targets.
I’d vibe on a 3rd for him.
The real question is, who will trade for a soon to be 30 year old linebacker with big cap hits over the next 3 years?
Those cap hits really aren’t that large for the new contracts we see every year. Plus those are our cap hits? Wouldn’t the new team take out the pro-rated signing bonus?
His salary is $6.75M, $7.75M, and $9.25M for the next three years. Lot of money for a 30+ year old to try and trade.
With the cap increases and the new contracts I have been seeing, those numbers seem like a bargain to me for a top 15 OLB that is very well-rounded.
vs. Olivier Vernon for example.
The pro-rated portion won’t travel with him. But he’d have the level of value with a lot of teams because he wouldn’t be a 3rd wheel there.
Had we not just traded away all of our big ammunition to get a QB, I could have been persuaded by a great offer. Schwartz requires rotation, pass rushers are premium, I like Barwin as a player and love him as a person, but I could’ve been persuaded. Without the ability to replace him with a high-ish level rookie pick, and getting some other value.
Have to be a really, really great fucking offer, and we’re not getting that for Barwin.
Would you do it for a 3rd?
I’d do a high third or second next year. Would probably prefer the second next year
Would you do it for Detroit’s 3rd back from Cleveland?
Maybe. I’d try to milk that second this year or next though. I think teams may either be satisfied or more desperate (Allbright stance) after the draft. It may hurt us or help us to wait. I don’t get paid the big bucks to be an equipment manager and then make these tough decisions.
I can’t see getting more than a 3rd for him, but if I can flip that 3rd into a starting o-lineman and use the extra money to get Bennie Logan re-signed before he puts up a monster year with Schwartz…………………..
Not gonna happen. Lurie loves Barwin who is also beloved in the locker room and has done a ton for the city of brotherly love off the field as well.
Tommy seeing this situation very clearly, IMO (ie, he agrees with me!). Don’t know if Denver or anyone else will pony up, but if I’m the Eagles, I’m not budging one bit off of my asking price..
Agreed. Hardball all the way.
A new story on ESPN, which I can’t stop reading for the life of me,
takes us into the lives of 80 different athletes “of all sports and
stripes,” and how they meet sex partners on the road. Hockey journeyman
Paul “Biznasty” Bissonnette told ESPN, “Twitter and Instagram are
basically dating apps now. Every athlete uses them to hook up, and if
they say they haven’t, they’re lying.” DeSean Jackson backed up
Biznasty’s claim: “It’s not like we need help, but social media
makes women so accessible. I’ll send a comment, and if they reply, you
ask for a date. It’s easy.” Damn, so sliding into the DMs is real.
I wonder how many counterfeit pro-athletes with near-real twitter/instagram accounts take advantage of the dating app?
Why are you looking at me?
Remember this guy?
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2007/07/25/Fake-Steeler-gets-90-day-jail-term/stories/200707250261
I scanned the article briefly. Lolo Jones was also into doing that for dates. Shame she’s not fully open for business because I’m definitely a fan.
MM —
When you say Lolo, you gotta show her off:
http://www.essence.com/sites/default/files/images/2013/04/05/lolo-jones-3_400x295_89.jpg
Who is she? She was actually trolling for dates on social media??
Lolo Jones . . . US Olympic hurdler.
http://lolojonesusa.com/
Oh right, how quickly we forget..
She was in the ESPN article as having done such.
There’s always a few prospects that the draftnik sites like ESPN Insiders and CBS Sports bump way up in thier rankings a few days before the draft. Guys that team had ranked that high all along and the draftniks didn’t get clued in to until late. The most prominent one this year is OT Alex Lewis of Nebraska. Most rated him a 5th or 6th rounder before this week and now he’s rated 75th overall by Mayock and 66th overall by ESPN Insiders, CBS Sports has also bumped him up but only to 131. Guy to keep an eye on in the 3rd round.
Interesting felony assault in his background that led to him getting a 45 day jail sentence.
Whoa!
As long as he slams Giants, Cowboys, and Washington racial slur team name defenders; heads against a brick wall, I’ll take him!
Yea sounds like one of those football players drunk, military meatheads drunk, 300lbs man smashes the face in of 160lbs Air Force guy.
He’s got good T feet. Guy I’ve liked. A see a bit of Michael Schofield
If and when Bradford and Wentz first meet, i imagine Bradford doing a Sanchez flinch.
Lol
You mean when they first meet in Super Bowl LI?!
Wait, I can get 1/33 odds that Goff or Wentz will be the first pick? That’s one of the best sports bets I’ve ever seen. Wager $33k to win $1k, easy money. Not Disneyland ROI, but a great bet nonetheless.
That sounds good, but I’d still be chicken. It would make me suspicious. What do you mean by Disneyland ROI?
Going to Disneyland on a big score (high Return On Investment).
Now that Bradford and Condone played this card, it’s really their last option, they are going to have to proceed with this and make some more silly noise from now thru Saturday… Sunday morning they will wake up having played their last card, and go back to doing what they know how to do best, make money… Which means shutting up, joining the Eagles, learning the offense, training for his best season he can possibly have since it seems like they are coming to the realization that they have entered into a new world where they no longer get to skate on potential.
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condone found out how little market their was for his client, which means that it’s unlikely a team will offer enough to make Howie trade Bradford, so there last hope was to make enough public noise and drama this week to try and force Roseman to take some lowball offer from some team during the draft,,, Good Luck with that Condone..
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See you at Novacare on Monday Sammy boy, when the draft ends and you lose all hope of getting yourself traded…. Or you can not come to practice, not learn the offense, play like shit and let’s see how much you like your options next offseason…
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These two know how to make money. Once the draft ends they will be out of options and have to go back to doing what makes them the most money, which happens to be practicing with your team to try and have the most success as possible this year..Roseman can just laugh and call their bluff for 3 days and watch how quickily their stance changes when the draft passes… I will laugh so hard if the niners trade KAp to Broncos
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Assume another day or two of absurd public statements from Condone and this will pass….
Condon
You must be new here.
I find myself having grown to care for the ol’ GEagle, weird caps, crazy misspellings and awkward nicknames. It doesn’t really feel like a comment section, without a GE rant of often hostile and hopeless or jubilant and overly positive proportions.
Sometimes i disagree wholeheartedly on every level, but mostly its a good contribution, even when you run the risk and comment on a post of his and receive praise, only to get told to fuck off and hang yourself on a comment 2 seconds later.
Keeps me on my feet, keeps me sharp! Stick and move, stick and move!
Wow, lots of upvotes. Can you clue me in what I’m missing here?
“GEAGLE” has a long, sullen history of consistently misspelling names, places, and common words because he operates under the assumption that everyone here wants to read the 1500 words that he projectile vomits onto his keyboard every post and thus needs to do so as fast as humanly possible. The result is often nonsensical and ridden with spelling errors. For some (many), he’s a blight on this board, but not quite a troll (at least under the popular usage), so others tolerate him and even engage with him.
lol, thx.
I guess it’s also possible that Elways is flirting with Condone and sniffing around bradford to try and get the niners to panic and lower their demands in the stand still bêtween niners and Elway for Kapernick…. Doubt they gave Kapernik permission to meet with Elway if the niners really weren’t ready to trade him. Think the two sides have been playing chicken over the compensation leading up to the draft, and flirting with Bradford could force the niners to get nervous, lower their asking Price worrying that they will get stuck with Kap and get NOTHING in return… The threat of Roseman stealing Chips QB trade with Denver may be brilliant bluffing on Elways part..
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Unfortunately to know this we would have to know how they view Kap vs Bradford….. They could just really like SAM more. Or view them as similar and go with whoever they can get for less, which Probably wouldn’t be Bradford
who wouldn’t take sam over kap?
I dunno, im sure a year ago or so it would have been a better competition.. Inexplicably a lot of people liked Kap around the time people didn’t know if Sams knee could ever hold up
If this were the case, Cordon would either be an incompetent fool or acting against the best interest of his client. Having his client set his house ablaze to foster a deal irrelevant to him would be some dirty pool.
If anyone is looking for something different to 24/7 Sam Badford discussion i just finished listening to the new Andrew Brandt ‘The Business of Sport’ podcast with our old friend Joe Banner for an entire hour and it was an absolutely fascinating listen. If you are interested in the business and cap side of running a team it is a must listen and had a fair few interesting tit bits from Eagles history under Andy that i had not quite heard expressed in that way before. Strongly recommend a listen.
http://www.rosstucker.com/thebusinessofsports/
TYVM
Know what ill be listening to in the car tomorrow morning. Thanks!
Now guess who is Carson Wentz’ twin brother from another mother!!
Boris Becker ?
Lol.
At least he’ll keep us laughing.
Wentz on the right
Wentz and Goff at the combine:
http://i.imgur.com/heXBU6I.jpg
Bored of the Bradford drama. Lets play what if:
What if canp rolls around and there is an open competition AND Bradford loses?
Happy days we got a better QB than Sam. Look Sam has the inside track to being the starting QB so IF Wentz or Daniel some how beat him out then it is going to be on merit of better play and then i want that guy starting.
Then Howie wasted alotta monie
Is it really a waste if we get a high level of play at the QB spot? That’s what all this money is being spent for isn’t it? Why should we care where it comes from? Alternatively if Bradford becomes the best QB in the NFL and wins us the Superbowl this year, and Wentz ends up being traded in 3 years, why should we think that is wasteful?
Just like playing Roulette (I am a degenerate). Just because I play 4 20 dollar chips across the board, if I hit on a number, it pays 37-1. The QB situation is roulette right now. We have 20 dollars in. If we hit on one of those numbers we make a lot more money than we have invested.
Agreed. No point and be 20 million under the cap like how we Joe Nichols used to be. Why can’t we all just be happy? Why can’t Bradford take his 11 million + b happy. I hope we draft something good. I hope we have a good team. I hope the fans don’t boo Santa Claus. I hope the robots don’t steal my luggage.
If Wentz is the new McNabb and Daniels is the new Pederson, does that make Sam Bradford the new Bobby Hoying?
If Wentz is the new McNabb, is Agholar the new Thrash?
Right. And Pederson is the new Reid, so Reid is the new Buddy?
Considering he lost a Super Bowl, that would make Reid the new Vermeil.
It’s like the Matrix. Wentz is The One, destined to lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl, and lose.
Didn’t Bobby Hoying once have a good season?
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/4/26/11504172/doug-pederson-eagles-philadelphia-nfl-draft-quarterback-sam-bradford-quote-rookie-chase-daniel
So Bradford wants to go somewhere and get a nice long term deal as the assured starter and is uncomfortable with the idea of having to compete for a job, despite never having amounted to much after 6 years in the league.
I hope to god we can trade this guy, I’m not even caring that much about compensation at this point.
I am also looking for a lucrative long-term deal with an assured position, and I too have become uncomfortable competing for a job despite, according to some, my never having amounted to much. Oh yea, I also hurt my knee one time.
How many millions should I ask for based on my unrealized potential.
Well, based on Sam Bradford’s precedent, you should have already been paid $5.5M for doing nothing, so I’d use that as a starting point in my negotiations.
I want you as my agent.
I’m spreading a rumor that Kelly wants Sam for the 49ers. Feel free to pass it around.
“Sources say that Chip Kelly is very interested in reuniting with the whining wonder of the world”
Shit I’m good at this beat writer stuff.
Awesome. Now, based on you and PPK, I can tweet that multiple sources are linking Sam to SF.
Is he willing to trade a 2nd round pick?
Movie Keanu looks off the wall funny
Let’s play WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!
https://store.lindyssports.com/tyfoon/site/products/images/1aadc3d3b6d9eab.jpg
Wentz was 11. How does that happen ?
NDSU wanted to much for the rights to use Wentz’s likeness
Hey look it’s Marcus Mariotta
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NA9uQSQYiSQ/TH2D3shv5II/AAAAAAAADi8/TpKJR14bGTM/s1600/Jeremiah+Masoli+3.jpg
found this
http://i.imgur.com/fxxk7Bx.jpg
Awesome!
May have been discussed here before but schefty reporting that he thinks it’ll take more than a second round pick to get Sam. I completely agree with this. Otherwise force him to play, don’t give him away for peanuts. I’m so glad Howie is handling this and not chip
That would be a pretty good result for us, but blundered into…