OL Help

Posted: April 4th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 162 Comments »

Not huge moves, but…

Sometimes little moves like these can prove to be important.

Wiz is here to challenge for the LG spot. I would guess the Eagles prefer him as the backup C, but they probably lured him to Philly by telling him there would be an open competition at LG. And that’s not a lie. There will be a competition.

Stefen Wisniewski
Allen Barbre
Andrew Gardner
Matt Tobin

Even if the Eagles add an OL with pick 8, they aren’t going to hand the LG job to anyone. They will let the players battle it out. Someone will emerge. Last year they did this at RG. The organization wanted Tobin to win the job (young, cheap player). He struggled while Gardner played well. They went with Gardner.

If Wiz wins the competition, great. He’s got starting experience and has some talent. If not, he can be your backup C for the season. If he’s just terrible, you cut him and move on.

Tobin’s career is on the line. He’s shown flashes of talent, but he’s going to really be challenged this year. Either the light goes on and he gets better or he’ll looking for work outside the football world.

I went with the players above, but it’s also possible Dennis Kelly, Josh Andrews, Barrett Jones, Brett Boyko or Malcolm Bunche could win the job. The Eagles want someone to step up and play well. They don’t care who it is at this point.


Some people asked about my piece on Howie and how I could write that review of him without knowing how the moves will work.

I didn’t say the moves would all work. I’m not putting Brandon Brooks in the Hall of Fame. I don’t think Rodney McLeod will be a Wes Hopkins/Brian Dawkins type of elite FS.

My point was to assess the way Howie handled the situation and judging the moves based on fit, cost and other relevant circumstances. I think Howie had a very deliberate plan heading into the offseason and he executed it very well.

Are all the players going to pan out for the Eagles? Heck no.

I would bet at least on of the receivers will end up a failed move. Possibly both. I’m not as high on Brooks as the Eagles were. I wrote that before the move. I love McLeod and think that was a truly great signing because he’s an ascending player at a critical position. I love the risk/reward of the Bradham and McKelvin moves, but that doesn’t make them foolproof.

I don’t think I wrote anything unreasonable. I don’t think I over-praised Howie. No one is saying he’s the best GM in the league and the Eagles are a shoo-in to win the Super Bowl.

Howie went away for a year and came back different. He changed the way he made moves. I’m giving the guy credit for learning from his past and adapting his methods.

We’ll judge the success of the moves in a few months and then at the end of the season.


Someone asked about Eagles moves that I haven’t liked.

I didn’t like Chip Kelly bringing back Mike Vick in 2013. I thought he should have gone with Nick Foles.

Last year’s moves really caught me off-guard. No one liked the contract given to DeMarco. It took me a while to really embrace the deal for Bradford.

I’d have to go back and do a lot of reading to remember my thoughts from 2011. The lockout made that such an odd time that it was hard to have a good feel for that offseason. Speaking of 2011, someone asked about the fact Lurie took that blame away from Howie.

Lurie cleared Roseman of responsibility for the draft, not free agency. The 2011 moves were much more Howie and Joe Banner than Andy Reid.


Apparently my comments on T2 vs The Terminator sparked quite a debate.

I’m a big T2 fan. Prefer that much more than the original.

I do enjoy the gritty look and feel of The Terminator. I still remember the night it debuted on HBO. I was a teenager and stoked to see it. Seeing that movie now reminds me of other lesser known movies from that era that had a similar look and feel.

I certainly didn’t mean to insult the original.

Interesting to find out how many people do love the original. Pretty cool.


162 Comments on “OL Help”

  1. 1 OL Help - said at 10:59 PM on April 4th, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Not huge moves, but… #Eagles have signed G/C Stefen Wisniewski to a one-year contract. G Matt […]

  2. 2 daveH said at 11:43 PM on April 4th, 2016:


  3. 3 lonfident said at 11:58 PM on April 4th, 2016:


  4. 4 anon said at 12:04 AM on April 5th, 2016:


  5. 5 A_T_G said at 12:04 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    They say the man is a rock, but this is absurd. https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/717196333275160576

  6. 6 philllyfanatic said at 12:31 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    You missed the part where the shot went up and he said “bang”. Literally missed it by a millisecond.

  7. 7 Jack Waggoner said at 1:04 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    That’s gangsta

  8. 8 A_T_G said at 7:29 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    I am sure there is a gif of sunglasses and a joint floating into the frame by now.

  9. 9 bill said at 8:45 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    “He takes those shots all the time and sometimes I want to kill him,” Jay Wright said. “But sometimes he makes them too.”

  10. 10 Chiptomylou said at 1:22 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Tracy Wolfson’s reaction the complete opposite. Jaw dropped straight to the floor.

  11. 11 Cafone said at 12:19 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Any chance Wisniewski provides a legitimate challenge for starting center?

  12. 12 TypicalDouche said at 12:53 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    None whatsoever.

  13. 13 Media Mike said at 5:39 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Only because the coaching staff wouldn’t all a legitimate competition.

  14. 14 D3FB said at 9:29 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Wis does nothing better than Kelce

  15. 15 Media Mike said at 5:24 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    False. He is already WAY better at selecting colleges. That’s at least one thing. He’s also probably better at snapping the football if I’m using 2015……………

  16. 16 D3FB said at 8:48 AM on April 6th, 2016:


    In the fourth quarter, with Tennessee leading 35-32, Wisniewski
    snapped the ball over the head of quarterback Blake Bortles. Titans
    linebacker Wesley Woodyard recovered it and scored a three-yard
    touchdown to put Tennessee up 10 points.

  17. 17 Media Mike said at 5:39 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    I wish they would allow him to.

  18. 18 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:52 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    You wish for a downgrade at center? Go wish that on the Cowboys lol not us..

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 5:24 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I’m on record as being very down on Kelce. We’ll see that type of year he has.

  20. 20 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:08 AM on April 5th, 2016:


  21. 21 SteveH said at 1:11 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    That miracle 3 by UNC – immediately relegated to the dusty basement of history. Jenkin’s with ice in his veins, reminds me of Damian Lillard’s walkoff for portland last year.

  22. 22 Daniel said at 1:47 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Totally agree with you on the Howie moves. You’re not judging whether they will work out well, but whether they were the right decision, right contract at the time the move was made.

    Contrast that with DeMarco last year when the entire world was going what just happened?

    I think this is the best managed offseason we’ve had in a while.

  23. 23 big Jes not here for grammar said at 2:39 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Agreed since ’04

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 5:42 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    I’m not going to feel good about this o-line until I see some type of return to proper form and health by Peters, anything approaching “average” play by Kelce, and/or the addition of some talent on the O-line via the draft.

    The moves thus far have been solid in terms of Brooks and Wis, but we were starting from an appallingly bad spot.

  25. 25 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:31 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Im expecting the Brooks signing to be similar to Barwin/Malcolm Jenkins in that there were sexier names available, so fans weren’t Gung Ho about signing Jenkins and Barwin, but they went on to prove to be fantastic signings for us that exceeded many fan expectations..
    Going into Free Agency, I didn’t think there was any chance of the Texans letting Brooks get away. I assumed he would not be changing teams, but boy im I thrilled to be wrong…. If Brooks and Lane play 16 games, they will prove to be one of the best OL tandems playing on the right side.
    It’s no secret that adding his Size and Power should be huge for the smaller KELCE.. Wouldn’t mind adding some serious size to the other Guard spot. Is that Monster guard from LSU any good? What are the odds he lasts til round 3?

    As bad as I want them to keep upgrading this OL to gluttonous proportions, I will Be pretty Aggrivated if they take Ronnie Stanley with the 8th pick. I just don’t see why people view him as a special OT prospect Worthy of a top 10 selection. I don’t believe he will be even close to as good as Eric Flowers will be, who the Giants selected at #10 last year.

  26. 26 RobNE said at 8:43 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    He seems like a boring pick that isn’t really top 8, but he also seems like the most likely guy available.

  27. 27 Jack Waggoner said at 9:44 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Doubt it. Not even sure he’s the 2nd OL off the board

  28. 28 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:25 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I’ll dance in the street if the Ravens take him at #6, almòst ensuring that A kid I love Falls to #8.., although Chip could easily fuck it up for me, and think his system is so fantastic that he doesn’t need to draft a QB at #7 and can settle on a QB later like he did in 2013 with Barkley
    But with Baalke not having the most job security these days, he may insist on a QB to buy more time from the owner before getting fired.

  29. 29 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:39 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I struggle seeing what’s special about him that is getting him talked about as a top 10 pick.. Tunsil is the Only Lineman Id take in this top 10. Many people ripped the Giants for taking Flowers so high, but Unfortunately I think our hated Rivals got it right, and the kid will go on to be a fine LT.
    Im assuming that 1 or 2 players that ARENT being talked about will end up going in the top 10.
    I kind of see Hargreaves and Stanley as similar prospects in that I don’t think they are special enough to be on that top tier of prospects, but are good enough to be near the top of the second Tier or prospects..l. Hopefully there are at least 8 players rated in that top Tier. Be great if someone unexpected ends up picked in the top 7. Id probably be more interested in VH or Stanley if we traded back into the 11-15 range, At #8, im hoping we can do a little better…… But in the end, I care so much more about the kid we draft validating his high pick than I do about which player they choose…. If we draft a kid I want and he goes on to be a bust, Id much rather see them take a kid I don’t love pre draft who ends up proving to be a great pick, more concerned that they get this right and land a top talent that will validate The top 10 selection than I am about them picking a certain player I like or a certain position that I think we need…. I want an Elite Talent and I’ll take it at any position we can get it. Im more interested in Howie getting this right, than I am about me getting it right

  30. 30 ACViking said at 9:33 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    ” I will Be pretty Aggrivated if they take Ronnie Stanley with the 8th pick.”

    This kind of thinking is confusing.

    These are the people who re-signed Bradford.

    That decision is OK. But drafting Stanley wouldn’t be?

  31. 31 D3FB said at 9:44 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    “I don’t believe he will be even close to as good as Eric Flowers will be”


  32. 32 Insomniac said at 2:43 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Now he’s pulling an Allbright.

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 5:23 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I found this excellent diagram of Flowers playing LT


  34. 34 A_T_G said at 7:31 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    This is an interesting development, particularly for those of us that refuse to pay for cable.


  35. 35 Corry said at 7:46 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    That seems like an odd match. Facebook would make more sense to me, but whatever gets us closer to streaming all the games.

  36. 36 eagleyankfan said at 8:17 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Do you pay for directv?

  37. 37 A_T_G said at 12:07 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Nope. Netflix is all. My wife talked me into an antenna last year.

  38. 38 Bacon & Iggles said at 6:09 PM on April 6th, 2016:

    Same here but also added Hulu & Amazon Prime into the mix. No cable or satellite but I am never want for something to watch, either.

  39. 39 RobNE said at 8:41 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    I dropped down to only about 8 channels. I don’t even get TBS and had to go to a neighbor’s last night to watch the game.

  40. 40 Mac said at 9:50 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Thanks to CBS (for failing at life) I miss anywhere from 1-3 Eagles games per year these days.

  41. 41 RobNE said at 10:25 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Sat evening I sat down, turned on CBS (didn’t they have the NCAA tourney)….and wait, where’s the game. Oh, TBS. Oh sh$t I don’t get TBS.

  42. 42 Mac said at 10:53 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    That sucks… I definitely feel your pain.

  43. 43 A_T_G said at 12:06 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I guess it is too late to share that you could stream 3 hours free on each device without a subscriber code? I went through my and my son’s time and switched to my wife’s iPad at halftime.

  44. 44 Mac said at 12:35 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I’ve tried a variety of streaming services for CBS and none of them have worked out for me. This season I’m just going to go ahead and buy NFL rewind and watch all the games after they happen.

  45. 45 Jack Waggoner said at 9:42 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    In 140 character increments

  46. 46 Bacon & Iggles said at 6:07 PM on April 6th, 2016:

    That’s me! I was/am legit excited about this.

  47. 47 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:19 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Hope to see us draft an OL or two so that Barbe, Gardner, Tobin, Andrews, Barrett Jones, BUNCHE, dennis Kelly and Boyko have to compete for 2, maybe 3 roster spots. Last year we carried most of them on our active roster. It would provide serious upgrade if those players are forced to battle for two roster spots.
    Tom is probably right about us most likely having to sell Wiz on being given a chance to win the LG spot to get him to sign with us, but im hoping someone like Gardner, BUNCHE or a rookie beat Wiz out for the LG spot. It would suck to finally have such a capable backüp center and see him get hurt playing Guard and not be available if Kelce gets injured. I value Wiz so much more as KELCE insurance than as someone who will fix our Guard problem. My understanding is he hasn’t played much Guard these past 4 or 5 years.
    Not for nothing but Wiz is only signed on a 1yr deal. It would not be ideal for a guy on a 1yr deal to win our starting LG spot. Hopefully someone steps up and seizes control of that starting spot.
    Why did the Jags who had Cap space, let Wiz walk?
    Hoping we still draft an OL or two

  48. 48 eagleyankfan said at 9:04 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    I don’t think there’s any question that the Eagles draft at least 2 OL. They almost have to…lol.

  49. 49 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:18 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Id like to see us add 3 rookie OL in the next two drafts

  50. 50 Rambo said at 9:21 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Nothing groundbreaking, but an interesting read on Stefan.


  51. 51 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:17 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Thank you sir.. Good read

  52. 52 ACViking said at 9:27 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    “Tom is probably right about us most likely having to sell Wiz on being given a chance to win the LG spot to get him to sign with us . . . “

    Putting aside the double caveat . . . what other reason would Wisniewski sign with the Eagles?

    More money?

    Something else?

    Or that he’s now the presumptive starter at LG unless he’s worse than Tobin?

  53. 53 Julescat said at 2:41 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    the chances of one OL going down with injury during the season is pretty good. Wiz gets a great opportunity to either excel and get a better deal next free agency or fill in and get another deal from the eagles next year.

  54. 54 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:43 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    “It certainly seems there is an opening there(LG), and I’ll compete.- wherever I can play, wherever I can get on the field is fine whether it’s left Guard, Center right Guard, Tackle. I really don’t care”-Wiz
    “I have always been a starter, I certainly don’t intend to be at backüp at this point”-Wiz
    The chance to play absolutely had a role in him signing with us. This is a 27yr old who has been pretty durable, played at a solid level and was expecting to sign a nice Longterm deal with someone this summer. He admits the Jags tried to lowball him, and he is taking a one year deal with the sole intention of earning playing time and trying to earn himself a Longterm contract next year…. Doubt we had a chance at signing him if we had our entire starting 5 already set
    Roseman gave an interview last week about how tbis stage in free agency, money no longer talks. Teams are trying to get guys at bargain prices, so a lot of recruiting, and selling free agents on the opportunity you provide is involved in getting guys signed at this stage in free agency, where as the first stage of free agency, money does most of the talking and “selling”..

  55. 55 eagleyankfan said at 8:22 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    “Quarterbacks and receivers are permitted, on a voluntary basis, to throw and catch on the field” …. is there a report on who showed up?

  56. 56 eagleyankfan said at 9:03 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Narrowing down a draft choice. Assuming 2 things: 1) Cle/SF go QB and 2) Jax/Bal go defense.
    Off the board in not particular order:
    Tunsil/Wentz/Ramsey/Bosa/Jack/Goff/ — can’t figure out a definite 7th…

    so that will leave(according to multiple “pro” mock drafts) the following(obviously one would be moved to list above):
    Any of those players a slam dunk – impact player? I’d love a small move up to get Jack. I guess he’s the only one I’d be excited about. Out of that second list – who is the BPA?

  57. 57 ACViking said at 9:23 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    What if SF doesn’t go QB?

  58. 58 eagleyankfan said at 10:52 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    One drops to the Eagles and is considered in the mix I guess. IF he’s there(a QB) is he the pick?

  59. 59 Jack Waggoner said at 9:36 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Elliott and Buckner are the best two on that list. Hargreaves is a notch lower but might be a better fit. Neither OT belongs that high. I also like Lynch better than most.

  60. 60 eagleyankfan said at 10:53 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Hargreaves – who might do just fine – scares me. Yes his size was ok in college. Would his size hamper his effectiveness in the NFL?

  61. 61 ICDogg said at 1:14 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Wouldn’t worry about it too much.

  62. 62 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:00 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Should be a good player. Don’t know if he will be a special player. obviously if I bought the Joe Haden comparison he would shoot to the top of my list. But I don’t even think he will be Ronald Darby, let alone Joe Haden

  63. 63 D3FB said at 9:43 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Tunsil, Wentz, Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, Goff, Stanley off the board would probably be darkest timeline relatively speaking.

    Conklin is comically overrated. Like insanely so. It’s baffling.

    Buckner doesn’t really fit the defense.

    I don’t think there is a chance in hell Howie takes a RB at pick 8.

    I would rank the options:


  64. 64 ACViking said at 9:44 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Coach –

    Goff aside, who’s the guy you’d most likely expect the Eagles to take if they stay at 8?

  65. 65 D3FB said at 9:45 AM on April 5th, 2016:


  66. 66 RobNE said at 9:46 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    dumb question, who is Alexander and why do I want him.

  67. 67 ACViking said at 9:47 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    a CB from Clemson

  68. 68 RobNE said at 9:49 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    we are so close to the top, I just want more bang since we might not be here again soon. I want to give up a 3rd, get up to 5ish and take one of the QB’s.

  69. 69 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:55 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    If we can get up to #5, I hope it’s to scoop up Jack attack

  70. 70 D3FB said at 10:10 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    It’s within the margin of error, but I’d rather Alexander because he
    just seems to exude that “F this, I’m locking shit down” mentality that
    you want from a star CB. I think he’s a little bit better at locating
    the football with his head turned around. It’s close, but to me he’s Joe
    Haden ceiling and Robert Alford floor. Again I like VH3 and if I was GM
    and Undlin and my area guy prefered Hargreaves I would be fine with it.
    But to me Alexander is CB1 (Ramsey is a S on my board).

    Great piece on him if you haven’t seen it yet:


  71. 71 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:01 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Thanks, that was a great article. You can see he’s a real student of the game. He was my favorite target when we were at 13, would still love him in a trade-back scenario

  72. 72 Insomniac said at 2:48 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Which CB would you take in the 3rd round assuming that we take a QB or OL in the first?

  73. 73 D3FB said at 8:59 AM on April 6th, 2016:

    I’m not super familiar with the CB class outside of the top 5 or so. We’ve already got good depth at the position, so I’m not sure we go for one if we don’t at 8.

  74. 74 ACViking said at 9:46 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    What is it about Alexander that, for you, puts him ahead of Hargreaves?

  75. 75 Jason said at 3:08 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I think Buckner goes ahead of Bosa. The buzz is stronger for him at this stage. Of the big 5 slipping, I think Bosa has the strongest chance of lasting to 8 if the 2 QBs go top 7.

  76. 76 SteveH said at 10:15 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    So I’m a little late to the party but, what the fuck happened between Kempski and Allbright? Why are they bitching at each other.

  77. 77 RobNE said at 10:24 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    people in the last post if you read the comments described it. Sorry too lazy to recap, and it’s all 3rd hand knowledge to me. Heresay.

  78. 78 D3FB said at 10:27 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Kemspkis taken a few potshots during the offseason about Albright hedging his bets on some of his information and then breaking his arms off to pat himself on the back. Also Albright is friendly with the moron Innes and Kempski has gotten into it with Innes pretty extensively before.

    Last night Kempski retweeted a Dave Mangels tweet “get you a man who can do both” with two Albright tweets, one from February saying the Cowboys wouldn’t take a QB and one from recently saying they are looking into trading up for one. Knowing Albright he’ll take which ever one turns out to be true and I TOLD YOU SO to everyone.

    I like them both. Albright tends to be a pretty decent insider, but does couch his bets a bit and then go over the top for when he’s right. Again it’s part of the nature of the beast of being an insider and he’s trying to build himself up as legitimate, so I get it, but it can be annoying.

    And Kemspki is a good beat writer. He’s more knowledgeable than most, does a good job with data and statistics, does have decent sources, and knows that 1) he’s not Sheil from an analysis standpoint, 2) football is entertainment and not everything has to be so damn serious all the time.

  79. 79 SteveH said at 10:30 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Well, anyone who is friends with Innes is the automatic loser in my book.

    I wonder how much of this is just stageplay, I don’t think sports journalists are above a little mock drama to generate some more readership.

  80. 80 D3FB said at 10:37 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    BEEF sells records.

  81. 81 bsuperfi said at 11:11 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Totally agree with you re Kempski. And while he’s certainly gotten more overtly cynical in recent years, he has a better handle on the organizational dynamics than most.

  82. 82 laeagle said at 11:35 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    I think they all overestimate how much the general public cares about exactly _who_ breaks news. If the public reads it, that’s enough. We don’t give two shits about whether it was Schefter, Glazer, Albright, or Worf who broke it. So this whole thing is kind of like watching people get upset about a dog show. Who fucking cares.

    Albright has broken some stuff, I suppose, but he needs to learn how to let go. I’m very close to unfollowing him because about 70% of his tweets are him bitching about what other people say about him.

    I’ve enjoyed Jimmy in the past, but he’s running a bit far with the whole “act like a clown” thing. There’s a point at which childish behavior ceases being funny. Mix it in with his tendency to be bitter and it’s an unpleasant combination.

  83. 83 RobNE said at 12:04 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I agree. Especially when it’s facts that then become public, like a trade. If the trade is public on day 2, I couldn’t care less who broke the story on day 1. And yet everyone fights about it. In the scheme of life or even just the world of sports, this means so, so little to me.

    Now if you break a story like Spotlight, that’s different.

  84. 84 Ark87 said at 12:32 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I don’t think they care, it’s more for them than for us. All comes down to traffic one way or another: retweets, followers, and clicks (news is news to fewer and fewer people every second, and old news doesn’t get clicks). Add in that most of these guys have plenty of room to get ahead in the industry and move up the ladder, it can get competitive.

    We as consumers care more about who is reliable/credible. Which obviously they care about too, as they love the hedge and spike the the ball when they’re right, and eager to tear each other down.

  85. 85 ChoTime said at 12:55 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    If your job is to break news, you want to be first. It has been that way since newspapers were invented.

  86. 86 Rambo said at 1:41 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Might be true, but do we really care to see the cat-fight that ensues? Nah, I’ll pass!

  87. 87 GermanEagle said at 12:08 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    They’re both clowns. At least on Twitter.

  88. 88 NoDecaf said at 11:41 AM on April 5th, 2016:

    Hey Tommy, I wanted to stay off the grid and not use my real last name on
    Facebook. They don’t like that. So they pulled my profile. Thems the breaks. 😀

  89. 89 ChoTime said at 12:56 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    That’s interesting. What brand of food does your cat like? Mine likes Frisky.

  90. 90 Joe Minx said at 1:08 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I like pie.

  91. 91 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:26 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I like turtles

  92. 92 Bert's Bells said at 2:01 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    My cat’s breath smells like cat food.

  93. 93 Julescat said at 2:34 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    subtle Simpsons reference?

  94. 94 RobNE said at 3:36 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    that’s unpossible.

    also, you don’t make friends with salad.

  95. 95 Chiptomylou said at 1:16 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    “I’m a big T2 fan. Prefer that much more than the original.”

    *Bill Paxton voice* F### you a##hooooollle!!!

  96. 96 RogerPodacter said at 1:47 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    since we’re talking about terminator, i’m just going to throw this out there.

  97. 97 Dave said at 1:20 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Does anyone know what day the Eagles were to meet with Hack?

    FYI, from Walterfootball.com…

    Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State

    In speaking with a team picking in the back half of the 2016 NFL Draft and in the market for a quarterback, they have a second-round grade on Hackenberg and have him in play for their second-round pick. They feel that Hackenberg has good tools to develop and is salvageable after two rough years at Penn State. Many assumed that Hackenberg’s shot of being a second-round pick sunk when the Texans signed Brock Osweiler, but there are other teams that like Hackenberg, so he still could find himself being a top-60 pick.


  98. 98 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:43 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Did you see Connor Cook on Grudens QB? He seemed pretty pissed off about his reputation of not being a leader. At one point his face looked like he was about to cry, but then he got pissed off about it and started defending himself.
    Gut feeling, he ends up a 49er…

  99. 99 Dave said at 2:50 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Was that just the preview clip? I thought airings start this Saturday on ESPN.

    He has some pretty nasty Twitter posts that have been preserved over the past year that don’t paint a picture of a leader.

  100. 100 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:53 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Yeah I only saw a segment of it. Don’t think the entire episode aired yet

  101. 101 Insomniac said at 2:49 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I hope they’re just doing this for shits and giggles. Hackenberg is awful.

  102. 102 Dave said at 2:52 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I wouldn’t doubt if the whole QB process the past 2 weeks hasn’t been done for subterfuge.

  103. 103 Joe Minx said at 2:52 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Totally agree. I want no parts of him. At all.

  104. 104 unhinged said at 4:08 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I think there is a consensus among non-NFL people who believe that Hackenberg’s decline after O’Brien left PSU is beyond undoing. He’s shown he’s got arm strength and leadership qualities, but his last two years were bad decisions, poor throws, fear of the pass rush, complicated by weak OL and very few options on offense. I don’t think anybody will take him early, but the NFL is full of big egos who think they can turn a Vince Young into a Kurt Warner, and Bill O’Brien probably has more insight into how to re-train Hackenberg than anyone, so I would not be shocked to see a team with a starting QB pick up Hackenberg on day 1, and let him ride the bench for at least 2 seasons.

  105. 105 Insomniac said at 5:00 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I doubt any GM will risk their jobs for Hackenberg.

  106. 106 Media Mike said at 5:20 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I read that earlier b/c Walter updated their QB rankings. Hack in the 2nd is WAY too rich for my blood.

  107. 107 Dave said at 5:44 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I would tend to agree.

    Outside of the big three, Hack and Dak seem like to only QBs after round 1 who have the skillset and mindset to be a successful starter, given sufficient time to develop. Cook and Cardale Jones don’t seem to have the mental makeup to lead an NFL team. The rest don’t seem to possess the skillset to be anything other than a backup.

  108. 108 Media Mike said at 5:46 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I’m not a Dak fan at all.

  109. 109 Insomniac said at 5:49 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I didn’t know that throwing your coach under the bus was a good mindset to have.

  110. 110 Media Mike said at 5:51 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    We didn’t mind it when Jenkins put Kelly on blast for not holding guys accountable for mistakes.

  111. 111 Insomniac said at 5:57 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Kelly’s issues ran deeper than that. Despite Chip being an egotistical donkey that thought he knew everything, he had things working for him. Anomaly ST performances, weak schedules, and no tape made him look better than he should have.

    Hackenberg hasn’t had much success and you cannot blame talent alone. Lynch and Bortles also didn’t have much NFL talent to help them but that didn’t make them inaccurate statues that can’t read defenses..

  112. 112 Media Mike said at 5:58 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the throwing of a coach under the bus is fun some times.

  113. 113 Insomniac said at 6:01 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    For fans? Yea but for the team? Probably not.

  114. 114 Dave said at 5:57 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    This confuses me. Teams want players to be honest in their interviews, then leak their interview answers to the media?

    Either this is subterfuge by teams actually interested in Hack hoping he drops to them in a later round, or the team is actually showing much worse character than Hack in the first place.

  115. 115 Insomniac said at 6:00 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    RG3 in Washington lost his locker room real fast when his teammates didn’t want to take his BS anymore. Hackenberg will be no different especially when it has been made publicly known that Hackenberg will take zero accountability.

  116. 116 Media Mike said at 6:06 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Only difference is that Nassib and Donovan Smith immediately took up for Hack and there aren’t any shots coming at Hack from “unnamed” Penn State players. I think a lot of folks associated with the program are irked at Franklin on a few levels, so I haven’t read much internal stuff about guys flaming Hack.

  117. 117 Insomniac said at 6:19 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    One bad egg stinks up the joint but luckily you can easily cut Hackenberg (look at what Demarco did).

  118. 118 Dave said at 6:07 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Hack stood up for his OL through 2 horrible years of him getting crushed. He never through them, it any of his other teammates under the bus. In a private interview with an NFL club, he answered honestly. The team then threw him under the bus anonymously to the media.

    This is much different than RGIII throwing his teammates under the bus in public media interviews.

    I get it though, you don’t like Hack as a player or a person. I can’t help but feel a little sympathy for him with as he kept getting physically crushed all while playing under an inept OC.

  119. 119 Insomniac said at 6:15 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    You were talking about mentality. Hackenberg has the mentality of a whiner that will undoubtedly affect a locker room. Thanking everyone besides your coach? Who the hell would want to coach you after hearing that?

    Sympathy doesn’t help win football games.

  120. 120 Dave said at 6:19 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    If Hack is a whiner, what the hell was McNabb? He threw his receivers under the bus for several years. Do you remember the “we need weapons” speeches he gave in the media over the course of a few seasons until he got TO. If Donny could start for over a decade, I think Hack would be fine with the locker room.

  121. 121 Insomniac said at 6:21 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Is there any love for McNabb now? For all I can tell the general public doesn’t care about McNabb and actually don’t want to hear from him again Besides for nostalgia, McNabb isn’t even talked about anymore.

  122. 122 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:37 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    OMG… This Greg Hady video looks even worse than I thought.. They released the first part of it, and this dude ISNT doing himself any favors. I assume he would have had an easier time getting a job if he just laid low until next year… You Know he only agreed to this interview to try and help himself change the perception of him enough to get another job, but I think this has the opposite effect and it will make it even harder for him to get a job….drew Rosenhause screwed up putting him on Camera like that…
    Much props to steve smith for basically calling him out about being full of shit

  123. 123 TypicalDouche said at 2:51 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Greg Hardy – Definition – P.O.S.

    As much as I dislike Hardy, it would be entertaining to see if he responds to Smith. I would just really enjoy Smith going off on Hardy.

  124. 124 Dave said at 2:58 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    “And I feel like, as a grown man, as a football player of my caliber there are situations, inside that situation, where it has nothing to do with the situation, but I could have done better. I should have done better.”

    What the hell does that mean? That’s a Yo Dawg Heard You Meme in the making.

  125. 125 TypicalDouche said at 3:05 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    This is my instant reaction to that transcript.

  126. 126 Dave said at 3:14 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I was thinking more like this…


  127. 127 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:29 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I was waiting for him to explode and snap Shefters neck on camera… Friggin Pyscho.

  128. 128 Dave said at 5:01 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    He’s not a psycho, you had it right yesterday…he is a sociopath.

    It’s only a matter of time before he is in jail for something. Paying this man millions of dollars is a recipe for disaster.

  129. 129 wee2424 said at 9:20 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    A sociopath with the extreme desire to be somethibg he is not, a gangster rapper.

  130. 130 wee2424 said at 9:19 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    So from what i understand….. there was a situation.

  131. 131 Tdoteaglefan said at 3:55 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Love Steve smith…one of my all time favourite players, really wish we granted Harbaugh his wish when he was on our staff and drafted him.

    It seems like he always thought Hardy was a P.O.S and never really respected him. Remember back in 2012 or so when Hardy posted a pic of his Bentleys speedometer going over 100mph on Twitter…and Steve smith posted a pic of his Bentley’s speedometer on twitter the next day going 30 mph? completely sums up the difference in mentality/maturity level between the two players.

  132. 132 peteike said at 4:11 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Rosenhaus was behind this, no doubt. Total fail

  133. 133 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:20 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    He probably figured he had nothing to lose at this point. But his client is such a maniac that he managed to make it worse,,, Shefty said their point was to try to present the new Greg Hardy who is 3 credits short of his degree and is now a father, but this blew up in there face with how Horribly he came off talking about how he is The Kraken and how he is a 22mil player, repeatedly calling himself innocent, while calling Ray Rice Guilty,, he tried argue that domestic Violence DOESNT happen in the Bible Belt lol and how his parents are retired police who would beat his ass if he hit a woman. Just a load of crap!
    It’s one thing if he was asking for a second Chance, but he fell flat on his face with the second chance he was given,
    At this point, the only reason he should have ever gone on Camera is if he was wiling to do a full mea Culpa, at least try and pretend to take responsibility, pretend to show remorse, and then explain how it will be different if given a 3rd chance, and he didn’t even come close to doing any of that, so it seems like he did way more damage than good, and he was better off just remaining invisible all offseason, and try to get a job when someone gets injured late in the summer. I don’t see how this helps him at all

  134. 134 Media Mike said at 5:18 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Next question

  135. 135 Sean Stott said at 4:30 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    link? not seeing this

  136. 136 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:48 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    It’s all over ESPN so you can probably find it on their site

  137. 137 Joe Minx said at 2:53 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Just saw Demarcus Robinson is in for a visit today.

  138. 138 Dave said at 3:12 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Chase Daniel using the old vibratory belt machine to lose a few pounds;-)



  139. 139 Dave said at 3:29 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Allbright on 94 YSP right now discussing Kempski, this should be fun.

    Kemspki was a traveling salesman three years ago?

  140. 140 Cafone said at 9:16 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Kempski owned him on twitter the other day. It was pretty funny.

  141. 141 Dave said at 9:31 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Allbright learned a valuable lesson.


  142. 142 Sean Stott said at 3:51 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    T2 is unequivocally superior to the original. It’s more fact than opinion.

  143. 143 anon said at 3:55 PM on April 5th, 2016:


  144. 144 peteike said at 4:12 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I used to think this but then recently watched the original again and not so sure. The eerie music and tension in that first one was so good and original at the time that about trumps how good the 2nd one is.

  145. 145 he's_back_scrambling said at 4:47 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    I personally liked the original more too. Does anyone remember the body count in the original? lol

  146. 146 A Roy said at 9:06 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Plus, the 1st one was more original.

  147. 147 ChoTime said at 5:22 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    T2 was the Black Album to T1’s Pre-Black Album.

  148. 148 Media Mike said at 5:44 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Weird draft simulation that I almost discarded, but O-linemen kept falling and falling and falling. The odd thing is that I’m not sure how many of these guys would realistically be around at the pick I selected them.

    Round 1 Pick 8: Myles Jack, OLB/ILB, UCLA (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 17 (BUF): Le’Raven Clark, OT, Texas Tech (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 2: Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas (A)
    Round 4 Pick 19 (BUF): Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (B)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Evan Boehm, C, Missouri (A)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Justin Simmons, FS, Boston College (B-)
    Round 6 Pick 13: Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Derrick Kindred, SS, TCU (B-)

  149. 149 D3FB said at 9:01 AM on April 6th, 2016:

    Simmons is probably the only one who goes earlier.

  150. 150 GermanEagle said at 8:10 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    If the Eagles trade up for No. 1, most likely giving away next year’s 1st rounder, in order to draft either Goff or Wentz, I will throw up in Howie’s breakfast bowl.

  151. 151 A_T_G said at 8:13 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Howie doesn’t use a bowl for breakfast. He eats Chip’s.

  152. 152 GermanEagle said at 8:15 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Make it a Chippah sickie then.

  153. 153 Rambo said at 11:58 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    He eats Chip’s chips for breakfast, or he eats chips…..for breakfast?

  154. 154 A_T_G said at 7:59 AM on April 6th, 2016:


  155. 155 Cafone said at 9:14 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    The #8 pick this year and the #32 pick net year? That’s not much to spend.

  156. 156 wee2424 said at 9:31 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    It will be more then just this and next years first.

  157. 157 GENETiC-FREAK said at 9:59 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    2016 1st n 3rd 2017 1st if going by value chart.. But Tenn could ask for more

  158. 158 wee2424 said at 10:00 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Hmmm…. though it would be more.

  159. 159 GENETiC-FREAK said at 10:05 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Yeah same here. But then if im Tenn im thinking you need me i dont need you so you come to terms with what i want

  160. 160 Rambo said at 10:16 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Fine! We’ll send them Hart too. Deal??

  161. 161 GENETiC-FREAK said at 10:50 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Deal lol

  162. 162 Rambo said at 10:31 PM on April 5th, 2016:

    Wisniewski Has Eyes On Starting Spot