Cool Feature
Posted: May 3rd, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 422 Comments »If you love the draft, you’re fascinated by “the war room”. The Eagles are too secretive to show much of theirs, but they did put together some photos from the draft. I thought it was pretty cool.
One thing stood out.
Notice those cards?
There is the player, school, size, speed (40 time) and one other number. Took me a couple of minutes to figure that out, but it is the Wonderlic score. Goff got a 34. Wentz got a 40. You can see that more clearly on another picture that shows just his card.
If you have to reduce a player to minimal information, going with name, school, size, speed and brains is a pretty good way to do it. I’m not saying the Wonderlic is a true way of measuring intelligence, but it is a way to quantify and compare the relative intelligence of players. Imperfect? Yes, but likely better than nothing.
I do not know what the letter under the first name means (GW for Goff and G for Wentz). Any guesses?
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Eagles released LB Brandon Hepburn, RB Ross Scheuerman, and FB Ryan Mueller …They're paring the roster to open spots for UDFAs
— Zach Berman (@ZBerm) May 3, 2016
But Mueller was the FB, right?
He was a body. The team wanted to take a look at him. They did and decided to go in another direction. There is no guarantee the Eagles will spend a roster spot on a FB. They need someone who can fill that role during games for a play here and a play there. Trey Burton would make the most sense.
The Eagles will keep their eyes open. If the right guy is out there, they’ll sign him.
Doug Pederson realizes that keeping a pure FB is a bit of a luxury. He pointed out this spring that the player would be a good STer more than anything. Maybe they will consider converting a LB. Bryan Braman is a good athlete and STer. I’d prefer to keep him on defense since he can be an effective pass rusher in blowout situations when the other team throws the ball over and over.
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GW = Guaranteed waste
G = Good
it’s pretty obvious Tommy
Tommy can you get a copy of thid infamous wunderlic and let your loyal readers each give it a try … and rank us
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Ill have a 40 with my wunderlic also
The thing about the Wonderlic isn’t the difficulty of the problems, it’s finishing it within the time allotted.
that’s the trick of the test. go thru and answer the layups first, about half are middle school easy. dont get bogged down w/ longer reading comprehension questions. circle back and do the ones you skipped over, cause you most likely will run out of time. and no penalty for guessing.
http://wonderlictestsample.com/wonderlic-test-sample/50-question-wonderlic-test/
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this gives you 12 mins. i took it twice, got only 10. there’s no penalty for skipping (though i dont know if this tests lets you go back).
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no calculator, but allowed scratch pad.
I got the same score as Goff (34). Can I have my millions now?
I also need to shamelessly start doing math again in my head since I only got to question 40.
yeah i tried to do in my head — scratch pad would hopefully improve my score.
http://wonderlictestsample.com/how-does-the-wonderlic-test-correspond-to-the-iq-test/
Some more information about it.
I’m still hoping Trey Burton gets the fullback spot. I think he can be a weapon and we don’t lose a roster spot.
Graduation
Graduation waiting, I dont know……….
I was thinking Graduating, and Graduating / West (i.e., not allowed to participate in some camps because of late graduation dates)
Well, Goff isn’t graduating since he’s only a junior, so I guess it’s the indicator for when graduation is for the school. Same principle, he still wont be allowed to participate in some camps this year until his schools spring graduation happens.
Clearly the label denotes their cheesesteak preference: Geno’s for each of them, Goff wit and Wentz witout.
I would hope that they would be smarter and not go to Geno’s.
Wentz at least, you have to grade on a curve. I think that far north they consider frost a condiment.
Think Okafor already took Wentz to Jim’s
Definitely not an example of good mentorship, lol
Actually Wentz is older and it is a good example of good mentorship… 🙂
Jim’s is awful stringy meat, to say not Geno’s or Pat’s or any of the other places that use real ribeye is just silly.
Not if you pay two dollars for extra meat
The CAUN listed for Goff has me stumped. He went to the University of California at Berkeley (Cal-Berkeley, UCB), so how do you get CAUN? Maybe like some of those airport designations (EWR for Newark) – no real rhyme or reason?
CAlifornia UNiversity?
no one from CA would use that as there is another state school system called Cal. State. Univ
Who says the guy who made the cards was from CA?
Anyway, why would using CAUN for Berkley rule out using something else for Cal State? (Though my guess is they probably didn’t have a lot of guys on their board from there…)
well when you’re talking about specific schools you don’t just lump them all into UC. there is berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, and more. ma
This is standard in scouting circles, IIRC. You start with the state, then do the university code. For example, check out Hatman’s write up of Landon Collins. He calls Alabama “ALUN”. https://www.scoutingacademy.com/The-Source/SourceID/1184/Landon-Collins-Scouting-Report
Or click on any of the write ups here. Boston College is MABC. Pittsburg State is KSPS. Virginia Tech is VAPI. https://www.scoutingacademy.com/2015FallShowcase
Condon on air again. Bradford basically fels like no change to win starting job. Rightly or wrongly, but did hint that Sam would be willing to give back cash to facilitate a move, only issue is where could he possibly go. Fitzpatrick outperformed him last year and has basically been forced into retirement (Hets have Hundley, Geno and Hack n’ Sack on the roster, didn’t realize they’d been taking mid round QBs every year and getting no where with them)..
The most important part is that Sam is interested in giving back money.
I think the Jets or Niners if they end up trading Kap might trade for him.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think the NFL PA US going to let anybody “give back” money to a club under any circumstance. Condon is saying that to appease talk radio listening knuckleheads.
Agreed, unless he retires
there is no way that the league or NFLPA would allow a money back situation. They both love precedent too much to allow contracts to not really be valid months later, as long as you give the money back.
I’m not interested in the money. I want a higher draft pick in return.
The eagles aren’t dictating here. Bradford is. They will take what they can get
I think you have Hundley mixed up with Petty.
you’re right.
That interview was taped before the draft.
He’s correct; there is no real competition. Due to the level of investment to make the multiple moves to acquire Wentz at #2 plus having to pay him that slot salary, roughly $24M guaranteed, and the pressure to maximize ROI during the cheaper years of his career all makes this a.foregone conclusion. Bradford knows it is a stacked setup regardless of how he plays.
Read Jaws takes on Fitz. Says he got real lucky with th the number of dropped ints. It was the polar opposite for bradford. Tons on drops by WRs
I’m curious if we go full Andy and wind up with 10 guys on both lines making the 53.
For the DL we need a minimum of 8:
Graham, Cox, Logan, Barwin
Smith, Martin (for now), Allen, Curry
I guess Braman makes me the team and the Eagles might keep 1 more DL.
On the OL it depends on who emerges, but I think the following are safe:
Peters, Wiesenski, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson
Big V, Semao and Kelly
Agree with your 8 on o-line. They seem to like to reincarnate Gardner a lot, so maybe he sticks? Also, I’d love to see Bunche force his way onto the 53. So I can talk myself into 10 there.
The D-line is going to be fascinating. `Do they count Curry as both a DE and DT if they flip him inside on obvious passing downs? Other than being “stout”, I’m not sure if Beau Allen does enough to beat out a guy like Raciti who I thought was more of a 4-3 guy when we drafted him last year. I 100% thing Braman sticks because Fipp will need his guys for special teams. The Schwartz system is going to be fun to use to analyze exactly who we keep based on skill sets.
Also forgot McCallister. I think he has a good chance to stick as 10th guy.
With Curry able to slide inside, I think we go 10 DL with 6 DEs and only 4 DTs
Barbre ?
Why wouldn’t gardner stick? He is better than Tobin and probably Barbie
Braman should be our backup sam
8 DL have to play in each game… I’d think they keep at least 9 since it would be foolish to assume 8 players will all stay healthy for 16 games
2016 and they are manually putting up stickers on a board? Where do I look for openings to run their IT department?
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Good stuff. During HR’s presser, did he say that they were targeting an rb but a run on rb’s happened before their pick? I wonder who they were targeting…
They are waiting until the new player personnel guy Lurie promised would be hired months ago is brought in to innovate.
It’s a lot more dramatic to have people actually doing things. Kind of like Vanna White. Probably not totally necessary.
What I wouldn’t give to be the card-boy for just one draft….
I find it funny and pointless that everyone in the war room has a suit on (except Coach), and the jacket even on, for what is really an internal meeting. I just hate wearing a suit, so I tend to think work places that still require that are a little silly.
I like the combination of your last two posts. Who cares about smart people! Who cares about professional decorum!
I know that’s not what you’re saying, but it made me laugh. Like your follow up will be “It’s going to be the BEST wall!”.
Maybe it was cold!
Mostly, I am disappointed by the lack of cigars, whiskey, and cocktail waitresses.
You missed Dallas’ war room pic?
On the Wonderlic, I’m a little surprised it’s on the card. Setting aside if you are worried if a score is really low, does it really matter? I tend to think this score is way, way down on relevant factors. Ryan Fitz went to Harvard right, I assume he is smarter in a classroom than a lot of other starters who are way better than him.
It’s not really smarts, it’s speed thinking. Matters, esp for a qb. Fitz got the only (?) perfect score on it, and that shows on the field.
I don’t know. Isn’t his biggest knock that he isn’t careful with the ball? With all the check downs in the offense these days. Problem solve the double covered WR with a check down, son!
Well, he sure isn’t getting all these starting jobs off his physical tools. 😉
Very true! Feel like he usually starts as the back up, accept for maybe in Buff?
The high numbers are totally overrated IMO, just like IQ is totally overrated in real world jobs. My guess is that they don’t have them there for QBs, but because of the non-trivial number of prospects that absolutely terrible mental skills that indicate almost no academic accomplishment. You would probably want to know, going in, that you have someone here who can’t even spell Xs and Os.
I’m not sure I agree with you at all. Maybe for non -QBs the wonderlic doesn’t really matter but I think the ability to process info quickly can’t hurt.
However, where I absolutely disagree is that IQ doesn’t correlate to real world jobs. Unfortunately I am old enough to remember when IQ tests were part of the job interview process. Think it was outlawed in the 70s sometime. I took one for a job early in my career. I am not old enough to have been the one hiring anybody in those times, but people I greatly respected told me It was the single best predictor of success for management level jobs and above bar none.
Tom Condon was Golics agent. but Golic is letting him have it.
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Condon makes no sense, every player in in the locker room would rather see SAM start because players view a rookie QB as a throw away season.. And bradford doesn’t even have to compete, the job his for this year….. What a strange situation
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Where the hell is he going to go? Denver traded multiple picks for Lynch.
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Jets DONT want to pay a QB more than 7mil
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SAM claims that he doesn’t want to get traded to the niners (allegedly)
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So where the hell are you going, and if you continue this hold out into the summer, is a team really going to give up value for SAM when he may not even have enough time to learn a new playbook in time for week 1?
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Every team has invested in a young QB or has a veteran in place. Sams best chance at a starting future is to play well enough to get someone like Sean Peyton or Bruce Arians to eventually rescue SAM once brees and Palmer retire, if those coaches haven’t developed a young QB to replace them already
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So Bizzare, I usually try to see Both sides of an argument, and silver linings, but I have no idea what the Bradford Camp thinks to accomplish by this… They have little meaningful leverage, Condon is a smart guy, but I think this is a losing proposition.
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If SAM wants the Eagles to dump him for some lowball offer, his best bet is for Bradford to come in and go full blown “Terrell Owens” wreaking havoc on everyone in Novacare, but that doesn’t seem to be in Sams personality
the thinking that Bradford and agent are going to let it die down so things can smooth over are not happening. He’s going to find himself not dressing on game days…
Think he needs to come back to work at least 2 weeks before mandatory mini camp. Find a day to join the team when media doesn’t have access to the players, because if SAM goes M.I.A and DOESNT show up Til June 7th, he will have to deal with a media circus. He is better off coming back to work a few weeks before the mandatory activity so that by the time he has to face the media, the noise will have died down some
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Sooner the better for Sam’s sake
just admit.. my bad i was going for the power play and it failed.. whoops.. im here to play, im here to help Carson, Im here to win Football games.. 2016 is my focus. go birds.. walk off the stage.
A normal guys ego usually wouldn’t allow that, much less a former 1st overall QB. It’s smart, correct, and prudent. Just not likely.
Not to say he won’t just show up and really be mum about it.
yea i know its far fetched.. but id love it. balls up, admit mistake, own it and move on..
I think his only way back is to fire Condon and blame the whole thing on him. Otherwise, he’s admitting that he chose to quit on the team and run from competition. Most of his teammates aren’t going to respect that.
Chose to quit on the team? Is Fletcher Cox quitting on his teammates right now? Typically playërs are understanding of the business side of football when it comes to teammates… As long as SAM gives Eagles playërs the best chance to win this year, I don’t anticipate too much of a problem with players welcoming him back, since most players would view playing Chase or a Rookie a wasted season. bradford has that going for him
Sooners the better
Good! I hate those effing sleeves!
Wait until you see what he wears when he gets to pick his outfit.
Looks about right. SMH lol.
will the veterans still respect Bradford after he basically quit rather than compete with a rookie for future playing time?
Why not come in and say that he is going to make it hard for the team to play anybody but him at QB because he will be that good.
The situation now just seems like Bradford is admitting his best days are behind him. What team wants that type of player leading them?
Again there is NO competition! When will folks get this through their heads? Bradford at most is a 1 season place holder. It may not even be the full season depending on how quickly Wentz develops. Wentz is the soon to be present and future here regardless of what Bradford does. Bradford wants to find a place he can get a fair shot at competing to be the long term QB. He thought that was here which is why he signed here before FA started. Now it clearly has changed and so any fair shot he can get will be with another team.
Ideally…yes…that’s how things would work out. But, if Bradford goes out and throws 4-5 TDs every week and no INTs and leads the Eagles to the Super Bowl while Wentz struggles in practice, Bradford could still end up the long term starter.
That’s unlikely, but Bradford can still make it very difficult for the Eagles to jump to the unknown if he plays so well. If he continues to be mediocre at best then yea…he’s gone. But, unfortunately for Bradford, it doesn’t matter what team he’s on. If he’s mediocre at best they’ll always be trying to move on from him.
Ideally? No, it will happen unless Wentz is a total and colossal flop or is killed/majorly injured within the next year. To say your scenario is unlikely is a massive understatement. Unless Bradford gets close to walking on water, he is a place holder for this season. If the Eagles kept and/or extended Bradford again after investing the huge amounts of resources in Wentz and Daniel, that would be a spectacular misallocation of resources that will definitely hurt the team and their ability to field a competitive roster.
Yes, ideally. I agree with you. The likelihood that Bradford is simultaneously so good and Wentz so bad that they choose to go with Bradford long term is infinitesimally small. But, it’s still possible. No? So, ideally, Wentz won’t look so terrible that we refuse to make him the starter and Bradford will look good enough that he has some trade value next season. But, there’s a lot of possible outcomes that could be unideal.
So, yes. The plan is for Bradford to be a place holder who is traded to recoup draft assets next year. However, if Bradford wins the Super Bowl or plays lights out like a top 3 QB next year and Wentz looks like total shit. They’re not going to just go, “oh well…we found a franchise QB, which was the whole point of all of this anyways, but let’s get rid of the guy who just won the Super Bowl and go with the unproven rookie who’s looked like shit so far.”
Again…not likely…not even close. But, that’s all Bradford has control over. He can conceivably make it impossible for them to trade him if he plays so unbelievably well. To make that happen he can’t be anything less than an undeniable top 3 QB next year. Mediocre or even just good won’t cut it. But, however, unlikely, it’s still possible. Which means if he truly has the type of confidence in himself that he thinks a team should commit to him long term then he should go out there with a chip on his shoulder and do everything he can to make that happen. Prove he’s that type of guy. The Eagles might still move him next off season, but it’s up to him to prove he’s that guy, which he absolute has the opportunity to do this season.
The team around bradford on offense doesn’t necessarily put him in a position to take this team to the playoffs.
True but, literally the only way you keep Bradford (aside from Wentz dying like Gary said) is if he proves to be good enough to take a team like this deep into the playoffs. You’d never keep Bradford over Wentz of Bradfords just good enough to be decent on a stacked team.
And, really…is this team any less talented than the one Brady has been winning with over the past 4 years. If Bradford doesn’t become Tom Brady light he’s gone. And Tom Brady light brings this squad to the playoffs.
by future playing time I was referring to the second season of Bradford’s contract
I don’t think that’s as big of a deal. Playërs typically stay out of teammates business when it comes to the “business” side of the NFL. Veterans probably don’t love the fact that he is missing time, but Bradford gives guys who’s career is winding down like Peters,, Celek, Sproles, even the Barwin type veterans, their best chance to win, so I don’t think it will be a big issue welcoming him back…. Im sure they would rather welcome SAM back in June than to spend the yeàr letting a rookie QB go thru his struggles.
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The only way SAM could really lose the locker room if Wentz surprisingly looks amazing this summer. But there should be a significant gap between SAM’s ability to lead the offense this year compared to a rookie like Wentz, and most players probably care more about what gives them the best chance to win this year..
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I don’t anticipate this being too much of an issue, but you never know
Golic said he used Condon’s agency, but he didn’t deal with Condon.
If someone should be demanding an exit from his current team its Kaepernick, dude is going to end up sitting the bench for friggin Blaine Gabbert, and even he isn’t crying like this. Im sure Kaep would much rather be in Sam’s shoes with a team like the Eagles giving him a year to start
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I want Sam to be our QB this year, but realistically he has not earned the absolute security he is demanding
I work at a school that uses the wonderlic as part of the criteria of entry. As you said, it generally does show your ability to comprehend and apply. The more difficult programs, some that involve medical with precise math and calculations; those students almost always have very high scores. Whereas programs that are strictly more theory based and require less memorization of minute facts score much lower.
Nice post. Sounds even more applicable to football than what I thought.
According to Dan Hatman:
https://twitter.com/Dan_Hatman/status/727854498350239744
Was literally just coming to post this. Well done.
Sorry, D3FB, but you get no credit for your shoulda, coulda, woulda. Just yankin’ your chain. Carry on.
I want a trade.
Simmer down Sammy!
But will you return the money??
I will return 100% of my salary here as soon as I sign an 80k a year extension with 24/7.
Since this conflicts with my preferred cheesesteak order code theory, I reject it out of hand.
Weight? So are they calling Goff fat or does he need to eat some Geno’s?
Too small. He’s definately not fat. But he has a small frame and is only like 210.
Wait, what are you doing here?! Just an anomaly or signs of more posts to come? I hope it’s the latter. 😉
Shhhhh. If you make too big a deal out of it, Tommy may remove me from the masthead.
Speaking of masthead. Is that DeSean Jackson AND DeMarco Murray still displaying the banner on igglesblitz…?! Time for a change, Mr. Lawlor!!
So you think Michael Vick should stay?
Nope. But he was the one that was easily to recognize.
“When I was there: G = Gift (Special person or player) There was no W, but I imagine it stands for Weight”
https://twitter.com/Dan_Hatman/status/727854498350239744
From Birds 24/7………
The Eagles have requested — and were granted — permission to interview Bears college scouting director Joe Douglas for their open personnel job, according to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune. Douglas is reportedly being considered for a “vice president position” that would oversee the team’s professional and college scouting departments.
Biggs says that while “it’s not a foregone conclusion” Douglas will get the job, “he’s believed to be a very strong candidate.” He also confirmed something that has become increasingly clear recently in Philadelphia: the job would be “under” Howie Roseman.
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/05/04/philadelphia-eagles-joe-douglas-jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman-personnel/#Dz4eWPa1ii8Zh5ti.99
If you’re poaching scouting trees Ozzie’s is a pretty good one. I personally prefer the Green Bay tree, but this would be a good hire.
True. How do you feel about the possibility of the position working “under” Howie?
It’s been pretty obvious for months that this person was always going to work under Howie. I’m a Howie fan, I think he get entirely too much shit for entirely fucking stupid reasons.
I think this model works well. The new guy will be heavily involved in building the board. Howie then gets to do what he does best.
This model has just as much upside as “just go hire the best hot shot soon to be GM (who we all learned about 20 minutes ago in a fluff piece) and fire Howie”, and mitigates some of the oh dear jesus shoot me in the head drawbacks.
I listened to a BGN podcast and they were underwhelmed with the draft, scrutinizing 5th round picks and their “baggage.” I’m wondering what more Howie could have done. He got the qb, he got some good pieces with upside. Many people dodnt like Chips way of choir boys but those guys also complained about Mills and Smallwood. Good lord people.
The one main guy (Barchard?) is a moron and makes those podcasts more or less unbearable. He just likes making hot takes and pretending like he is a scout or something. The other guys are ok but listening to him pretend like he has any idea of whether Vaitai can play is insufferable.
So like on here how we all pretend we’re scouts from watching YouTube videos? 🙂
God forbid that some of us do podcasts or radio.
I also don’t give a lot of credence to people here that are so convinced they are right on a player because of YouTube videos. I love the conversation and opinions here but anyone thinking we have anything more than an educated guess on how a player will turn out is kidding themselves.
Wait. We’re not?!
Couldn’t up vote this enough! Good radio voice but talks too much and it is all drivel.
I mean I get it. Let’s set aside Wentz for a moment (he’ll be the inflection point of the franchise moving forward and pleny will be written about him in the coming years).
I think realistic expectations would be Semualo becoming an average starter, Vaitai becoming a swing tackle, Smallwood becoming an ok complimentary RB, and one of the DBs becoming a contributor. That’s solid. But it doesn’t get the heart aflutter.
I’m also not in love with the baggage. I don’t really care about a guy with a weed charge, public intoxication or DUI, but witness tampering in a murder case and KOing a woman are pretty messed up.
I’ve also seen alot of “good get some tough nasty guys and not pussy choir boys”. This is a false dichotomy and it makes me want to pull my hair out.
Couldn’t agree more here. Maybe they can change but so far I don’t know of any effort of those two guys reforming their selves like Vick did.
chances that Vaitai can become the starting RT?
It’s possible but swing tackle is a solid outcome.
I agree with this. A key back-up at an important position is a good return on a 5th round pick. I’d love for him to turn into a starting RT but realize that would be a better than expected outcome.
Sorry for making you want to pull your hair out.
Just to note – I’ve witnessed a fair amount of prosecutors being unethical with regard to charging people with these types of charges to gain leverage over witnesses. Not saying it happened here, but the fact that the charges were subsequently dropped raises a huge flag regarding the level of culpability.
My guess would be that he uttered the necessary words at some point to the witness, but clearly not with any intent or true capacity to intimidate him, but in a colloquial manner that teenage boys tend to use as exclamations. Enough to survive an ethics review, not nearly enough to sell a jury, but more than enough to scare the pants off of a poor kid so that he’ll do pretty much anything to avoid the hefty jail time that a conviction would bring, but not enough that someone would later ask “why did you let him off?”
The hitting the woman thing is something I’d take the guy off my board for, even if he were able to convince me that his girlfriend actually threw the punch (which I don’t believe at all). Besides the fundamental moral issue, this issue is going to be a spotlight issue for the league going forward. An abuser is more likely, IMO, to fall back into his patterns than a drug abuser. And the consequences are only going to get more severe (rightfully so).
The part that bugs me is Smallwood was already at WVU. The incident occured after his freshman season. A high school teammate was also on those teams (UDFA by the chargers). So I’m pretty familiar with the time constraints they were under. These guys are home <20 days a year. So I'm sure he didn't go full on Godfellas, but he had to go out of his way.
Just to be clear, I’m not arguing that it’s wrong to be concerned. Just that this is one of those cases where a little investigation by the Eagles *may* have revealed it was not a big deal. As opposed to the other situation, where I think pretty much nothing could convince me to draft the guy given what’s known about the altercation and subsequent proceedings.
I believe that the Eagles believe their stories.
Bgn is a fun site. You can’t argue with the effort and amount of content they put out, but their content is just opinions. And they aren’t normally too rational opinions. Just dudes with opinions. Whereas Tommy is respected specifically for his careful balanced opinions.
I like how he was selling udfa the fact we didn’t have many picks so they have a better shot to make the team.
This roster will be stacked with competition like it should have been last year. I don’t see Wentz starting this year as he had a rough time against the blitz in college. He really needs the time to sit and be able to diagnose blitzes and I wonder who will be setting protections in Dougies Scheme.
I might be the minority but I will be unhappy if he doesn’t get to sit (unless…)
“The NFL draft, time of year when anyone with a Browser thinks they know better than the professionals actually working these kids out and being paid to know everything about these kids”
Immediate draft grades are ridiculous to begin with… fun discussion points but there is little substance in it. Grading a draft when it’s a D-1AA QB and a bunch of 5th+ rounders is several orders of magnitude more ridiculous. There didn’t seem to be any obvious reaches, though I’m sure many pundits had other preferences based on actually knowing a guy’s name before the draft. Hard to get excited about any of them before seeing them on the field, but hard to get upset at any of them either.
I agree. I don’t hate Howie. I just think he could use some help, which this seems to be. As long as he’ll listen and be willing to learn, it will be a good thing in my opinion.
The beauty of this hire would also be that – in case Wentz busts out and gets Howie kicked out the door – Douglas could be promoted from within to become the Eagles next GM.
I think Howie is one of the better players.
The redskins GM was doing pretty good until he paid 50 mil to a 1 year wonder CB who is already 28 and seems like a diva
hey where have you been this year on Game of thrones?
Playing the middle , draft took a lot of maneuvering….
Good.
I am not so sure i agree. Think it is hard to evaluate Green Bay’s scouting staff just because they have jumped from one HOF QB to another, which cures so many roster ills. Think Ozzie has done his roster building the hard way in that regard.
John Dorsey, Reggie McKenzie, Scott McCloughan, Ted Thompson, John Schneider.
Both McLane and Mosher seem to think that the job is his if he wants it and the interview is a formality
G = Gifted (as a person or athlete). Something that makes the player an outlier against the rest.
W = Weight. A concern either large or small.
Makes sense to me
Inspiration derived from the research other commenters conducted to debunk my cheesesteak theory and provide the actual decoding for G and W on the draft cards led me to follow in their path and identify some additional codes used by the team.
Note: Some of these codes are sensitive and proprietary, so please lower the brightness on your screen before reading and further. Baloophi, try to read them just in your head, without moving your lips.
Hm – high motor. This designation doesn’t get the mileage it used to.
Sp – used to denote players with names that are hard to spell. Howie is hesitant to draft these players resulting from his year as equipment manager. HPV earned this designation in all caps.
D – duck. This tag seems to retain some residual value.
Ja – this tag is used to highlight players who likely will be selected by the Cowboys, a.k.a. Jackasses.
Dec – used to denote players suited for now-dead positions, such as fullback. These cards are typically used as coasters, since equipment manager Howie was fanatical about water rings.
Ga(X) – players suspected of having gang affiliations have this tag with particular gangs identified in place of the X. There is an open question as to whether the SEC should be labeled as a gang.
Hw – denotes players with hot wives. These players are favored by…well, everyone.
Cc – used to denote character concerns. For the past few years, this code came pre-printed on cards and had to be removed using acetone when deemed necessary.
Cff – denotes a Canadian firefighter. These cards are used to light cigars, since 2012.
Upvoted for effort.
Thanks. Research takes a lot of effort with something so private.
Via ESPN’s Outside the Lines, Tunsil’s attorney and agent are investigating a former business manager/financial adviser to determine the role, if any, that he had in the smear campaign.
Per the report, Tunsil hired the business manager/financial adviser
in October 2015. Among other things, the person scheduled agent meetings
with Tunsil and potential agents.
Tunsil later fired the person after learning that he wasn’t
registered with the NFL Players Association as a financial adviser. The
man, who was not named by ESPN, reportedly gave Tunsil a new phone in
October. Persons close to Tunsil think the former business
manager/financial adviser may have accessed Tunsil’s account by using
Tunsil’s old phone.
Criminal charges and/or a civil lawsuit haven’t been ruled out. An
FBI spokesman in Mississippi told ESPN that his office has not yet been
contacted to investigate.
Under the Stored Communications Act, the person who accessed Tunsil’s social media accounts could face up to 10 years in prison, along with more than $7 million in liability arising from the slide that occurred after the Ravens reportedly decided not to select Tunsil due to the video.
so did this former business manager force Tunsil to do bong hits with a gas mask?
He had no right to post it under Tunsils account,,, if the scumbag Hater actually had a brain, he would have posted the video online without doing it under Tunsils account because it would have still gotten tons of attention, spread like wildfire, do the same amount of Damage to Tunsil, without doing so in a way that could get the scumbag hater in trouble..
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Then again, it’s pretty stupid of him because even if he doesn’t get in trouble with the law, he damn sure committed career suicide and made sure no pro athlete will ever hire him again… So not only is he a scumbag, hater, possibly a criminal, he is clearly not too bright, since in The end, the moron probably hurt himself more than he hurt Tunsil
One quibble — posting it on a different account would have taken a lot longer to get noticed. He did it 15 minutes before the draft; hard to get the word out in that time.
But yeah, I hope the guy who did that is discovered. And hopefully hurts his career more than Tunsil.
True… But instead of 15 minutes before the draft, he could have just tweeted it to Shefter, Rappaport and a few of the national media reporters and hour before the draft, and it would have still probably become just as big of a story.
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Heck half an hour after we drafted a RB in round 5, some pathetic media dork found out about Anti philly quotes from when the kid was a teenager 5 years ago and it spread all over Twitter… The Tunsil story was so much bigger, tweeting it to 5 national reporters just an hour before the draft would have probably created the same mess for Tunsil
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Either way he was ensuring that no pro athlete would ever work with him again, had he posted it without hacking into his account to post it, he could have at least avoided possible legal trouble… But obviously we are talking about a malicious hateful scumbag who Wasnt too intelligent
Whoever did it should go to jail, or at least be liable for the money he lost falling to 13 as opposed to #8
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Not us! Not us, not us, not us!
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/727907462121148417
I feel like those are extremely optimistic odds really… I would have put the Niners and Browns at 250/1 and the Titans at 150/1, Bucs and Chargers seem closer to accurate.
Modern weight rooms really have changed the game.
https://twitter.com/SadHappyAmazing/status/727905245330853888
Really makes you think
The thing about rockers is how damn skinny they managed to be. I never could have pulled off the “gaunt-chic” look, even when I was in high school and training for cross-country and track. I wonder if this is where drugs came in. The next question is: What came first, drugs to get emaciated, or emaciated because of drugs.
emaciated first because young and poor; then you ease into the speedy drugs right around the time your metabolism starts to slack. i call it the keith richards
Playing music can eat up a lot of calories, depending on the style. And the good drugs help too.
touring, no time to eat.
Bachman Turner Overdrive very cleverly avoided this issue.
Those guys didn’t eat enough mexican beef.
that looks like last year’s oline
lol
I just read this SI article written by Eli Apple’s mom (Giants 1st round pick). All I can say is wow! She is very articulate and provides a unique view of the draft process. Well worth the read.
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/04/nfl-draft-eli-apple-mom-new-york-giants-ohio-state-buckeyes
“I got to chat briefly with Carson Wentz, who had the energy, demeanor and cool of a youth pastor.”
Um, I’m not so sure;-)
http://i.imgur.com/tKIBZyC.jpg
She seems like an incredible woman. Deadspin, of all places, posted this article last week:
http://deadspin.com/eli-apples-mom-might-be-the-best-sports-mom-in-the-game-1773683934
Seriously, she could be a morning talk show host.
Damn, when you said she was articulate, I just knew she was going to be black.
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/04/compliment-black-people-for-being.html
Not meant to be about race at all. Not even sure why you would think that. Seriously, can you fill me in in why the word articulate has racial connotations? If I used eloquent or expressive, both synonyms of articulate, would they be racial connotations too?
I have no doubt you are sincere. But read the article I attached; it will should prove enlightening.
“…it will should…”
That isn’t very articulate.
its like the classic chris rock bit about , “he speaks so well”
Thanks it was.
eloquent -yes because it is pretty interchangable with articulate and so both have historically been used as words to express surprise when a minority expresses themselves well. expressive – not so much because while it indicates enthusiasm and emotion it lacks the implication of verbal precision and skill implied in the other two. i don’t think anyone is accusing you of anything here, but the reason referring to a black person as “articulate” or “eloquent” is a risky proposition has to do with a history of people assuming a black person would not have that level of communicative skill (based on negative stereotypes about that race). it’s why you wouldn’t hear someone say “wow that einstein guy was surprisingly articulate” – because he’s a smart dude so of COURSE he is; whereas you might well hear “wow Neil DeGrasse Tyson was very articulate” somewhat often because, even though he’s one of the great teachers of our time, some people still have a hard time not assuming the worst about black speech and intellect.
now that was articulate. way to go Einstein.
well last night i stayed in the parking lot of a holiday inn express, so . . .
Not so sure Einstein was articulate.
really?
“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.”
“Nature shows us only the tail of the lion. But there is no doubt in my mind that the lion belongs with it even if he cannot reveal himself to the eye all at once because of his huge dimension.”
“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”
“When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute — and it’s longer than any hour. That’s relativity.”
“Common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind before you reach eighteen.”
nice quotes
he was a bumbling mess
It is hard. A couple months ago, I caught myself thinking the “articulate” about a black guy on sports radio. The thing is, which the StuffWhitePeopleLike so eloquently concedes, is that there is a special pizzazz that we all like about how black people orate. But being self aware and knowledgeable means don’t need to be saying it.
For more hilarity:
http://blackpeopleloveus.com/
So is there a politically correct way to express surprise when someone who isn’t a professional writer or orator makes you go “wow,” but also happens to be black?
i don’t know much about “political correctness” because it seems to largely be something people say when they resent not getting to say racist and sexist things, but i think the idea is to say something that doesn’t show surprise that the writer/speaker has mastered basic communication.
for example, pretend Tommy wrote an amazing article, like the best one he’s ever written. you laughed, you cried, you finally understand the 4-3 under. do you say “wow Tommy you’re articulate” or do you say “great article tommy, i really learned a lot and you still managed to be funny at times?”
and i guess it really depends on you, personally. knowing that this is something black people have dealt with and chafed under, do you choose to keep doing it? or do you realize that even if you didn’t mean it in a condescending way, it’s going to sound that way, due to an ugly history, to the very person you were trying to complement?
You’re conflating a bunch of different things in your examples. First, Tommy’s a writer, so it doesn’t apply to my question.
However, there are quite a few people here (I won’t name names) who, if they suddenly wrote a comment that triggered the reaction you suggest, I most certainly would include “articulate” in my praise of it, and since I have no idea what race most people here are, that would clearly have nothing to do with it.
Secondly, that reaction (“you laughed, you cried, you finally understand the 4-3 under”) clearly indicates more than simply being impressed that the speaker has “mastered basic communication,” and further, would fit the definition of the word “articulate.”
I understand the racial sensitivity to the term, but I just wanted to verify that a legitimate word that can be applied in a valid way was now considered off-limits across the board based on the writer’s skin color.
yes there are certain people on here who would warrant being called “articulate” if they ever managed to have coherent thoughts, but that’s EXACTLY the point – the people you are referring to are people you’ve come to expect inarticulate speech from. so, you’re surprised because of their past performance. no problem there. now, i ask the hard question: what is it about Eli Apple’s mom that caused you to be surprised that she’s articulate? have you chatted on here before and she said inarticulate things?
now as far as anything being “off limits” – everyone can say whatever they want BUT if the intent is to praise an intelligent and well-written article and not to simply acknowledge that someone is able to communicate, there might be better compliments you could select. again, nobody’s making anyone say or not say anything.
Concerning “PC”: I think you hit the nail on the head, especially recently when you can sort of see that desire to legitimize a whole slew of BS. Listen, it’s America, you can say what you want. But if you say (ahem, scream to the world) certain things, people can and should recognize you for the unhinged A-hole you are.
That said: I am a northerner who moved south, and there is a whole crap load of context I am simply out of the loop on, ignorance plain and simple, and working in a very diverse environment this makes things interesting. Language is a tricky business anyway, write a story, have 3 people read it, and get 10 different interpretations. Add in dialect challenges, a heaping dose of social anxiety, and a tendency to be vague behind sarcasm (total d-bag): I find myself saying things especially carefully to make sure I express exactly what I intend with black co-workers in meaningful conversation (small talk, work related/task oriented communications are pretty safe), cause holy hell are the landmines under those egg-shells. So I understand where some would come to the conclusion, “tip toeing on egg shells will forever be a barrier between us”, and resent “PC”. Because you feel like you are one gaffe away from being labeled a KKK member and shunned. But everyone must remember PC is not the root of the problem. Fact is we need to see the landmines planted beneath those egg shells that still need to be disarmed and dug up. But people don’t want to face it.
I think you just say, well written or well said.
My opinion: No.
If you REALLY want to express those particular thoughts, it can be tricky. In this case, Annie Apple is a quality blogger.
http://survivinamerica.com/
so boom, right off the bat, assumed black woman isn’t a prodigious writer. Landmine has just exploded. And people think BC burns crosses on weekends.
It’s generally best to avoid expressing surprise when someone presents you something of quality (pretty universal, actually) so stick with the basics.
“that was a wonderful piece”
I asked specifically about cases where someone wasn’t a prodigious writer.
The only solution to this is to know EVERY writer that exists, current and past. Only then may you speak your unfiltered mind.
I know, I was messing with you, but I think it’s enough of a cautionary tale. Who here actually knew that about Annie Apple? How would you even know the writer’s background/education/profession? Best not to assume in these cases is all I’m saying. And I think the rest of the post holds up.
I see what you’re saying, though the word is most likely to come up in a case where someone of one profession (say, construction worker or lunch lady, white or black) opines on a subject one most likely wouldn’t expect (like depression, or dealing with a parent with alzheimer’s).
Saying, “Hey, check out this article, it’s an articulate take on a very difficult subject!” just isn’t on it’s face an insult. Whether they’ve written before just isn’t germane to their ability to express themselves in an effective way. Though, obviously in this case people would probably respond, “What, construction workers aren’t supposed to be able to speak English?? Why I oughtta…”
Anyway, I do understand where everyone’s coming from here, I’m just irked at the weakening of language on account of perceived past transgression, even if the word is used correctly and without malice.
For instance, I would describe Tommy as an articulate writer about football; I would describe many commenters here as such as well, and it would be a prime example, as they tend to post right beside commenters who are less than articulate on the same subjects. It would be irrespective of race or previous writing experience, though I could find myself in hot water if there was a black face behind the gray avi…
But I appreciate the discussion, and for the record (note that I have not addressed Annie Apple at all in my comments, articulate or not; I was speaking only in a general sense), I will be paying much more attention to the use of the word “articulate” based on the what everyone has talked about here.
I learned something new today, so it’s all good.
Regardless, she seems like an awesome mom.
white people can be articulate sometimes too
But so rarely are they designated as such.
I know what you were saying I was making a joke.
You just have to make sure you also refer to a white mother of a new NFL athlete as articulate if you want to refer to a black one of same as such.
but what if she is not articulate?
and BTW I get it, I was joking
Then, as per the trend here, she would be referred to as “athletic”.
As an Australian, I’m obviously missing some of the cultural background here. I hear white people being called ‘articulate’, very frequently.
I remember the controversy last year(?) in the NFL about ‘thug’ being a racist term, which I couldn’t get my head around to start with. Here, the term is commonly used when discussing organised crime (obviously the traditional meaning), in politics and is often used in contact sports as a perjorative – but almost always referring to white people.
I’d hate to think of the faux pas I’ve unwittingly committed when visiting America.
That blog seems pretty damn racist.
is there a stuffaficanamericanpeopledo blog and a stuffhispanicpeopledo and a stuff….
He uses most of his posts to skewer white liberals, which I tend to resemble (if not in looks). But this particular post was pretty, dare I say it, articulate.
For another thing along this line check out:
http://www.ocweekly.com/topic/ask-a-mexican-6568416
yikes orange county. I used to live there. race is not an issue, everyone is white
except for the mexicans (as trump found out last week)
and the Asians as well.
everyone there just feels like everyone else is white, they sure segregate the population enough
Divide and conquer. Some of the Ask a Mexican! stuff cracks me up. There is an Ask a Korean! blog which unfortunately isn’t as funny.
yes but it’s often referred to as American Pop Culture 1865-1957
To be fair, I’m always surprised when someone associated with the NFL writes well. It’s harder to write well than speak well. I distinctly recall being surprised at how well written an article I read by an NFL lineman was. This was Ross Tucker just as he was getting started.
I think the problem I’m having here is this… people making assumptions is just as bad as people having poor “listening” skills (which beget low hanging fruit style comments).
I appreciate the fact that what you’re doing here is starting a conversation and getting people to think about what they’re saying (typing).
Could you clarify?
In the examples on the website (and Dave’s comment), rather than addressing or complementing a specific aspect of the article or speech (which an active listener or reader who engaged the subject might do) the comment is of a more generic and “unhelpful” nature with regard to sharing something meaningful.
It’s like the difference between me telling my wife: “you look pretty” and saying: “Your hair looks amazing.”
In the first comment, I’ve stated something nice (but not particularly helpful to anyone). In the second statement, I’ve (hopefully) shown her that I noticed something that she put time and effort into.
I appreciate the fact that you could have come at the comment from the angle of assuming Dave’s meaning is the one that you noted is historically/culturally bad, but instead acknowledge that he meant well… but did a poor job of conveying his actual thoughts.
If Dave (in this example) had said something more specific that he liked about the article, then it would have been a better compliment and more helpful to other potential readers.
I appreciate your taking the time to elucidate. You should understand that very little I say here is meant to be taken 100%, heart-attack seriously. This place is supposed to be fun IMO. However, using “articulate” in the way he did is essentially just not PC.
i thought it was a joke – should i take my “up vote” back?
By all means. Most of what I say is a joke!
True, but we already had indicators that she was probably black to influence our thinking. Mother of an NFL draft pick for one. I say this as a black person that doesn’t mind being called articulate (most of the time). The actual words are just a small part of communication and all online communication lacks context.
You know you’re going to be our resident expert now, just be ready 🙂
I’m willing to try! My siblings and I grew up in the same town as Eli (many years ago) and graduated from the same HS. I don’t know if that matters, but I can’t pass on an opportunity to name drop.
I was pretty sure she was black after seeing that Eli Apple was black.
Nice read. Sad to see a cool Eagles family having to cheer for the Giants though..
According to TE Garrett Celek, Blaine Gabbert has been “definitely
taking control” as the starting quarterback at 49ers’ voluntary
workouts.
Wouldn’t put too much stock in that now, since Kaep is just now finally getting done rehabbing his injury… Kaep probably hasn’t even practiced with the niners yet…. But it does seem like Gabbert has a better chance of being Chips guy than Kaep.
Not surprising really, Blaine Gabbert has better tools to be a pro QB.
Gabbert has better touch and can make more different throws than Kap can.
https://youtu.be/hDggxuCwfIo
This is super old I know, but I just saw it so thought I would share.
“Do you believe that he’s a a guy that people will do an RGIII-deal” how ironic.
How many times can people talk about this dude’s 4.0 in health from ND state? It’s not even sports science, he could have spent 4 years learning about abstinence (depending on the politics of North Dakota).
It’s kid stuff. Once the bullets start flying, no one’s going to care what he did in college.
I don’t get the knock for the hype on a 4.0 in health. It shows dedication and work ethic more than anything else. I certainly wouldn’t have gotten that 4.0… with or without having the time constraints of being a star QB. Why? I’m posting on this website while at work, do you really have to ask?
i mean shit it’s not like a 5.0 is an option. it just means he seems to do the best he can possibly do at things . . .
It’s actually kind of prejadiced, people are only making a big deal because they think jocks are stupid.
yeah but jocks aren’t a protected class plus they get the ladies so eff em
Nah i’m saying a 4.0 in health shouldn’t be a proxy for how smart the kid is, wonderlic more so than GPA for me. If he were a normal person and showed that to an employer i doubt he’d get a ton of credit for the riguer of his academic program.
“riguer” sort of sounds French
probably b/c i spelled it wrong 🙂
Certainly not Lucks architecture degree.
As a former architecture major I can vouch for that. I’m astonished that Luck could pull off graduating on time on top of his athletic stuff with a degree in architecture.
What’s even more surprising is that despite his obvious intelligence, he still makes tons of shit decisions in games.
What really hurts SAM is that his contract becomes much cheaper to keep him next year if a team doesn’t give up acceptable compensation before that. Not only does his salary next year allow us to hold him hostage for another year, but it probably also make his contract more attractive to other NFL teams interested in trading for him.
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We have two years to hold Bradford Hostage trying to get decent trade compensation which we need to try and make up for the picks we don’t have the next two drafts because of the Wentz trade. Two years to try and use him as a trade chip. Especially since we are talking about a guy who is a the last QB that can afford to waste two more years of his career, especially after finding out how little market there is for his services.
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We simply invested too much in SAM Bradford to allow him to win this game of high stakes chicken. Gave up a 2nd round pick taking a chance on him coming off two knee surgeries. Compensated him nicely, paying him more than he has earned for this two year contract, he already cashed his signing bonus check… After everything, we can’t allow him to win this game of chicken. Make it clear that he will be held hostages for the entirety of his two year contract if a team doesn’t step up with an acceptable trade offer.
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At some point the bradford Camp has to understand that this is a losing proposition, and begin to realize that it’s in their best interest to start working with us to try and find a deal that works for both sides, instead of continuing to make it about SAM vs the Eagles.. Make it clear to them that no matter what he does, we are prepared to hold him hostage for two years trying to get acceptable trade value, and that unless they are willing to lose a Ton of money and waste two more years of his career, he better change his focus to start working with us to get him out of philly, and that It is in his best interest to make the most of the first offseason he isn’t having to rehab an injury in years, and start learning This offense and prepare to try and have his best year possible as our QB.
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Promise him that we will trade him as soon as we get an offer we can live with, but that he needs to do his part convincing someone to give up enough value for him to get us to pull the trigger on a trade, and the best way he can do that is putting an end to the drama, playing the good soldier and work to try and have a career year.
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At some point his agent needs to make it clear that it seems like the NFL has put its foot down when it comes to SAM and that he is done being allowed to get by on potential. Seems like this contract from the Eagles is the last one that he will see that pays him for what he can be. pretty obvious that his agent wasnt going to be able to create some huge bidding war between multiple teams for his services in free agency, and it seems pretty obvious that there isn’t some huge trade market for him either.. If THAT is reality, than sitting out the next two years until his eagle contract expires is probably only going to hurt him, not increase his value in The eyes of other franchises, which is very unproductive for Sammy boy.
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Before we ever traded for Wentz, it became clear that he would be compensated well short term, but that the NFL reached the point that he was going to have to stay on field and Earn a big extension that he is looking for and the security that comes with it. If teams weren’t going to commit to him Longterm before, I doubt his actions are helping franchises Change there mind about that now. I don’t see how this can be viewed as helping his value league wide.
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Lol if he is willing to lose money and sit out of some mandatory activity, it be awesome if he pisses off Roseman to the point that they throw his ass on the field week 1 whether he is prepared or not. Probably very unrealistic, but it would be great to see us throw his unprepared ass on The field week 1, make him Embarress himself and see how much that helps him find his next starting opportunity… It’s not like we really have much to lose. An unprepared Bradford probably isn’t too much worse than a prepared Chasw Daniel, or a raw Wentz week 1 of his rookie season. probably safe to assume that at some point reality sinks in and he comes to the realization that he isn’t getting his way, and that this season is basically a very important job interview for his life after philly. He doesn’t have enough cache to make a mess here, have a bad season and think teams are going to roll out The red carpet and shower him with huge long term extensions.
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Make it crystal clear that there is nothing he can possibly do to get his ass out of philly before his contract expires in two years, short of playing well enough to convince a team to make us a trade offer we can live with. Trying to fight the Eagles on this is counterproductive. maybe if he only signed a 1yr deal, but that second year we have him under contract basically has him by the balls…. Maybe if we had SAM, Chase and some 6th round rookie, he would have a small amount of leverage, but what leverage does he have now, when the Eagles probably won’t view it as the end of the world if they have to spend the second half of this season getting their prized rookie QB some game experience.
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We have two years to try and use him as a trade Chip and recoup some value after everything we invested in SAM and WENTZ, and his cheap year two salary really screws him in this regard since there is no reason why we have to cut him after this season. Need to make it clear that he is stuck here for the two full years, unless a team steps up their trade offer, and it’s in his best interest to start helping us, instead of fighting us on this..
Bradford becomes cheaper to keep in 2017?
His cap hit for the Eagles *increases* from $12.5M to $22.5M.
http://overthecap.com/player/sam-bradford/1349/
I’m pretty sure that makes Bradford more expensive to keep next year.
(If traded, he costs $17M to the acquiring team.)
Don’t let FActs ruin this game of chicken.
Never gets old…
Do you know if Condon represents any other players on our team? Just curious.
Jenkins, also repped Matty B and Meco (according to Wiki)
Barkley?
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Did Meco sigń with another team or decide to retire yet?
he’s waiting for a call just like arian foster.
And the great Riley Cooper of course. Surprised we haven’t seen a bidding war for an elite blocking WR 😉
He was such a chip guy, can’t believe he’s not in SF right now.
Didn’t he also represent Maclin? He may have did the NNamdi contract too.
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Meco, Jenkins, think Barrett Jones(wiki)
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He represents a lot of the best players like Dez, A.P, Cobb, AJ green, trent Williams, Richard Sherman,
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Also has a lot of the top QBs, stafford, Romo, Alex smith, Matt Ryan, peyton, eli, Brees
Peter King:
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“You’d like to think he would be a pro and maybe even motivated to try and have a career year, a la Drew Bree’s after the Chargers drafted Rivers, instead of demanding a trade and reportedly blocking the trade to some of the very few teams that might be interested”……….
Besides the report that he doesn’t want to play for Chip Kelly again, what other team was he against playing for that had interests in him?
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“But all that aside, the Eagles signed him to a heavily front loaded two year deal just two months ago. How could any rational human being look at that contracts and think, yup, they invested in me for the long haul. Either bradford didn’t look at the contract he signed or he has some inside info about an impending apocalypse in 2018, leading him to believe that a two year deal is a long term commitment.”
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LOL
Peter King making perfect sense. Wow.
If Chubbtowns finest overcomes his injury to be the same player he was, I’d love to see the Eagles target him assuming he isn’t picked in round 1 next year.
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Whether that kid decides to play pro football, run for senator, or whatever he chooses to do with his life, That is one young man I would buy stock in no matter what he decides to do.. Before the injury he was a heckuva RB, and it seems like he is an even more special person. I’d love to see him becone the next great franchise back of the Eagles.
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special blend of talent, ability and charechter… That’s just a kid you can’t not root for in life. I also would NOT bet against that kid working his ass of to come back from his injury.
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If you haven’t seen it, check out the ESPN segment from a few months ago showing Chubbtowns finest and The rich history of his family. It’s a great story from a historical standpoint and for getting to know a very talented pro RB prospect and what type of kid he is..
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A Chubb/Wentz backfield certainly wouldn’t lack leadership, work ethic, Charechter and explosive Athleticism..
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Next years draft will be a great time to find a franchise RB
I am not sure if this is one of your unique nicknames, but I gave to imagine a player named Chubbtowns is going to have a W on his draft card.
Ok..
It was just a joke, tying together the fact that we learned a W on a draft card represents weight concerns and your mention of a draft prospect named Chubb. I wasn’t questioning his discipline or charechter.
You aren’t bother me., have fun
Excellent.,.I wasn’t try to
ha. charechter. you don’t miss a beat ATG
It wasn’t capitalized, though.
Nick Chubb is in fact a descendant of one of the founders of a city in Georgia called Chubbtown.
According to Wiki:
“Chubbtown was founded as a colony of free blacks in 1864 by Henry Chubb, and named for him. . . . The town was spared destruction by the Union Army during the Civil War. A flood devastated Chubbtown in 1916.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubbtown,_Georgia
So aside from Wetnz is there a rookie that people are most excited about? Player that will have a breakout year? Personally my vote is for Braham, and the 3rd tight end, hopefully they get more opportunitites.
Mills. I hope he gets a chance to compete for that outside CB spot.
I’m curious to see what Matthews looks like as well.
Pretty sure Mills will be the top backup at S once the season starts.
yeah burton is good, he should get a chance
Vinny Curry. I think he’s going to be a beast in the new system. He was never a fit for the 2-gap scheme and still put up numbers. His explosion off the snap is going to open some eyes this year.
forgot about him, agree
I want to see Braman at Sam. He is a little lite in the run support but the dude can fly. Not sure about his wiggle in keeping with the TE.
Curry exploding off the edge
Couplin (ooops)
Matthews at RB
UFA RB and center
Huff in the slot. Bradford doesn’t throw outide the hashes
Braman is still listed as a DE.
I am going to go with Agholor. What we saw last year was so far from what he was as a prospect.
My hope last year was a step in the direction of dominance for JM – didn’t happen, so natural I’ll give up on that hope. This year, without a doubt, I want to see Hicks dominate.
Wonder if sam bradford has talked to ryan matthews, he was in a similar situation last year — and now he’s the man.
I got to say, this may be the first instance in the history of the internet where a 20+ comment conversation involving race, our perceptions, humor, and racism occurred without anger. That was awesome to read.
Very cool academic discussion. Word choice, race aside, is such a fascinating topic.
Indubitably. Personally, my word choice is often based on what I can spell closely enough to correct for autocorrect to understand what I mean.
I can put up with the racist comments, the foul language, bad humor, political agendas — but punishment must be had when one uses the word indubitably. #bandforlife
I hope only bad humor applies to my entries from your list, or I have some serious self reflection to do.
And I enjoyed the irony of your choice to use band. One more layer to the fun.
Well done, Igglesblitz. Next up, abortion.
Better yet: Republican versus Democrat. C’mon Igglesblitz commenters, lets show that we can do it!
That’s going to be YUGE, you’re going to love it, and Mexico is going to pay for it.
I can name several players who should have been………………….
Eff Dallas
It should be preserved in a museum or something.
That is exactly what I white person would want to do.
it’s only because everyone now watches Fear the Walking Dead
Signed all 5 of our last draft picks to 4year deals,,, just need to sign Wentz and Seumalo now..
That’ll be fixed soon. I hope they don’t haggle with Wentz over offsets in the contract.
But I LOVE the new CBA in terms of avoiding holdouts.
Can Wentz participate in rookie camp next week if he is still unsigned? That would suck
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And does this mean the five rookies we signed can start at least lifting with their teammates as early as tomorrow?
Yes. The only time holdouts impact our business is training camp. They’re insured, etc. for mini-camps.
Yep. These slotted salaries were a victory for the bargaining process. More money for vets and less haggling for inexperienced rookies.
As it should be. I just wish there was a better financial of keeping more “middle class” NFL players on rosters via a salary maximum. I’d love to see a significantly raised minimum salary coupled with an individual maximum.
Salary maximums would be such a tricky subject that I stared at your comment for 7 minutes, started down the path of about 10 lines of thinking and haven’t reach a coherent conclusion on any of them.
7 minutes, 10 lines of thinking? Have you been hanging out with Tunsil?
I am not answering that on the grounds that it might hurt my draft stock when I finally get around to declaring, after the kids are headed to college.
I have a couple ideas for you:
1. Communizm sux!
2. Down with the oligarchic overloRds!
I don’t like ’em.
WTF is behind the Rams strategy of waiting til june to sigń all their draft picks in one swoop, I heard it justified by something like protecting the rookies from themselves and “impulse spending” or something like that? I don’t get it
I hope Smallwood is ready! #nohomo
#noFaqqots
Hey Rookie. Welcome to the NFL is on ESPN2. Pretty cool insider view of Wentz and some of the other top picks, leading up to draft day.
Nelson Agholor suffered a high ankle sprain “at midseason” last year.
“When we were in camp in preseason, the guy was explosive,” said
Jordan Matthews. “When he hurt his ankle, and then you add all the
pressure of being a first-round pick, it’s hard to just go out there and
play your best. But he looks really explosive now.” The injury was
never announced as a high ankle sprain, but Agholor did miss Weeks 6-7.
Anyone who Chip Kelly drafted sux. Cut him.
Cut Jordan Hicks, Lane Johnson, ertz, Logan, Rowe and Matthews while you’re at it. They all suck. We definitely shouldn’t try and get any compensation for them either
Nah, the no compensation angle is so 2000-and-chip. Let’s get some return and really throw it in his face.
Jordan hicks is injury prone. Look it up. Matthews isn’t that good. Rowe sucjs logan who cares this isbt 3-4 ertz really isn’t that good. Johnson is the only decent one. The rest suck.
So let’s cut them all!
Yes they suck
not announced = not legitimate
Nice excuse. He had same stats as freddie Mitchell first year. He is a bust.
Even if he was completely healthy, It’s absurd to make judgments on draft picks during their first two seasons.. Shows a serious level of ignorance.
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Agholar has plenty of tools to become a quality starting WR, but I think jordan mathews is going to have a monster season..he claims that year 3 in high school and College were his breakout years, and he plans on yeàr 3 in the NFL continuing that trend.
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People like to trash our WRs, which is perfectly fair if you want to take a short term approach. But it’s silly to think we have seen the best from very talented, hard working yoûng men after a year or two in the pro’s
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Josh huff drives me crazy, but I wouldn’t want to see the Eagles give up on him after only two seasons.
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Our young developing WRs are probably one of the main reasons I still want to see SAM start this year instead of going with the rookie
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Givens and randle ARENT game changers by any stretch of the imagination, but im sure they provide a serious upgrade over Coop and Miles Austin… We upgraded tgose two WR spots, and jordan, Huff and Nelson should all be better than they were last year. Wouldn’t surprise me if our starting WRs 4 years from now are already on our roster today… Fingers crossed
I think Huff drives everyone crazy. He clearly has talent and attitude on the field, but he just so inconsistent. But the truth is that consistency is an important intangible, and Huff hasn’t demonstrated any of it so far.
I look at Randle as a somewhat similar player–he has talent but little consistency too. If Randle’s getting most of the 3rd WR snaps or just produces more on the field, I’ll be ready to give up on Huff. But who knows–some real competition could bring out the best in either or both of them.
If Bradford doesn’t win the starting job and he doesn’t retire, the Eagles could make him play on the kick return team at home games so people could boo him a few times a game. At least fans would get something out of having him on the team.
and he would get absolutely wrecked haha
He will pick up the kickoff tee.
That’s the funny part. Bradford is the starter. There’s no competition for it. He doesn’t realize that — but if he holds out, he created a situation that didn’t exist…
put him in the wildcat formation. make him run and block
Cafone for Special Teams coach.
I love this idea
Anyone else irrationally annoyed that Wentz is on the SI cover? Superstitious as hell but I can’t help myself.
dont worry, statiticians have proved that only 11 out of 100 superstitions are real
Phew, I can finally throw away that underwear then.
Only on the first Wednesday after a full moon.
What if it were 13?
No
The SI ” jinx” is silly to begin with. People tend to make the cover at the height of their best performance, and more often than not they can’t keep it up at the same level. That’s not a jinx, it’s what normally happens.
There’s only one jinx! The Madden cover!!
It’s a regional cover. Goff and Lynch are also on covers for their regions.
That just means that the jinx is going to be 1/3 as effective. But that’s better than nothing!
As long as he’n not on the cover of Madden.
I vote for Zeke!
So are Paxton and Goff also doomed to failure? C’mon, there are three SI covers. Wentz’s is just one. This is 2016. It’s a different SI world, or so I hope.
well, i guess we already know he’s not going to start this year, so… superstition confirmed?
Worried about Wentz getting a splinter in his ass sitting the bench?
Goff and Lynch are too. It’s regional. So, uh, no.
going back to the unofficial depth chart – Huff is listed as the 3rd wr. I’m hoping someone else steps up to take that starter spot, but have no idea who can – even if one exists on the current roster. Any rostered wr have a shot?
For better or worse I kinda want to see what Huff can do out of the slot and Matthews on the outside.
I wouldn’t care if Huff became the unstoppable return specialist. As long as he starts contributing somewhere I’ll be happy….
Huff sucks. Kelly had/has no idea how to judge talent
How about we hope Huff steps up, earns it, and plays well instead of hoping he fails…
The tension between the die-hard optimist and the defensively pessimistic.
I hope all teams win the SB all in the same year and rainbows never go away and that all unicorns will not be cast out from the Clydesdale community….hope all you want … let’s hope JM goes 1500 and 13 and Bradford goes for 35 td and RM rushes for 1800 yards and no injuries happen to any player…then after reality shows up, Huff is a weak link in a weak group of wr’s. We’re expecting JM and Aggie to play better(I’ll spend my hoping with those 2). Now we’re expecting Huff to all of sudden turn it on too?
Receivers can’t throw to themselves. I don’t see a QB not named sammy b putting up 4k yards this season.
where’s your hope? non believer…
We’re hoping he’s the best FBS graduate since….Joe Flacco. In any given year is joe better than sam hasn’t looked like it with bolden and torrey smith gone.
I want the best player to earn it. If it’s Huff, great. I’m not ready to just give up on a player who hasn’t lit up his first two years in the league.
feel like everyone has an asterix for last year, except sam bradford.
and the defense 🙂
it’s just small potatoes(talking about the 3rd wr) but where has Huff done anything in the 1st two years to think he’s all of a sudden going to turn it on? JM did ok last year(aka, not lit it up) but there’s more hope for him because of some of the signs he’s shown…
I agree he hasn’t shown enough. He’s displayed flashes. I would like to see him become the threat he was a Oregon from the slot this year.
Now he’ll be in what we all hope is a non-gimmicky Chip Kelly offense and we see better play across the board from everyone.
Josh Huff rated 13.5% DVOA last year in limited action. If he had more volume (targets) at that rate, he’d be around 17th in L for efficiency, in the same area as Megatron, Eric Decker, Julius Jones. In 2014, his DVOA of like -44% was a disaster, essentially the worst in the league.
So by the numbers, there is some reason for hope. Can’t say I’m a fan of his penchant for ridiculously horrible plays, but maybe players can cut down on those with experience.
as long as the fumble bounces out of bounds i’m ok. Personally can’t understand why huff wasn’t in the slot when he’s great at RAC/running through traffic.
he can be our Donnie Avery
what a terrible game that was.
no ducks allowed
Manziels in court is live on ESPN? Why does espn put this irrelevant tabloid trash on their station?
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I might be more relevant to espn than Manziel
Because you are watching it and talking about it you dumb fuck
how is tabloid trash irrelevant to ESPN?
Redskins signed TE Jordan Reed to a five-year, $50 million extension through 2021. Deon Jordan will play this year. Miami will have a talented front 7.
Surprised chip and Gamble havent traded for Dion and Hart yet…
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They have 3 DL’s that played on the oregon DL’s together,and their oregon DL coach….Why stop there? Add Dion and Hart and you are close to having the entire Oregon DL together…
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Wonder if that has ever Happened in the NFL before? 5 DL who played together in college, forming an NFL DL?
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If the vikings didnt pass on Myles Jack, they could have had the UCLA LB corp, Jack, Kendricks and Barr…
DraftBreakdown had an interview with Seumalo predraft.
http://draftbreakdown.com/2016-nfl-draft-prospect-interview-isaac-seumalo-ol-oregon-state/
do you believe that story that a team called HR to move up for an ‘OL’ player(Seumalo). HR said he’s planning on picking an offensive player. No trade happened and later on HR called that guy again and learned that HR took his pick?
trade up for a guy people think was overdrafted?
Not really.
Not to be racist, bu I’m always a fan of Polynesian. Great size/speed/strength combo.
Racist!!! 😉
“We hope Jaylon Smith will be ready for the playoffs”-jerry jones..
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LOL DONT worry jerry, im sure he will be ready to watch the playoffs from his coach like the rest of the Cowboys
heyooooo
This got me like:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE
I mean really, can jerry be more feiggin delusional
2013 draft grade B
Philadelphia Eagles (Howie Roseman, Chip Kelly)
Average Career Approximate Value: 11.0.
First-round pick: OT Lane Johnson (No. 4)
Best pick: TE Zach Ertz (second round).
Worst pick: QB Matt Barkley (fourth round).
Comment: This is where you can make the argument that a more robust calculation would dock the Eagles points for their draft spot—Johnson did not deserve to be the fourth pick. Ertz and DT Bennie Logan make up for some of the misses.
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/05/nfl-draft-2013-grades-picks-analysis-results
Check out FO’s compilation of grades from that year. Eagles got anywhere from an “A” to a “C”, ranking 11th by average. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2013/2013-nfl-draft-report-card-report
This year, ranked 26th. (will be nonsense if Wentz pans out, generous if he busts)
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2016/2016-nfl-draft-report-card-report
Who else should they have picked at #4? I think Johnson deserved it.
yeah i hate when people talk about “value” was lane going to be there in the second round? no. Would he have been there if we’d moved back, probably not.
Lane was the right pick at the time, but could you imagine if we had Ansah right now?
Dione Jordan. Oh wait. …
We took the third OT who turned out to be the best of the three. It was a great pick. Johnson was definitely worth the 4th pick.
TO is not putting up with players failing to honor their contract…
https://twitter.com/zesty_eagles/status/728254946076991489
And then there is this astute observation…
https://twitter.com/JonathanTamari/status/728251606391730178
The day Sam Bradford wrestles and beats down a DL in the locker room, while naked, is the day he becomes the man that TO was.
I believe that exact statement led to the decision to keep Marcus Smith II on the roster.
This seems like it would belong in the thread above about homosexuality.
Did you ever see the pics of TO’s cock? It’s so big like a. Horse
I thought you weren’t gay.
self hating
Is he? I’m not so sure. I truly believes he loves his gay side.
its all in his name
I forced myself to watch gay porn last night and now I am a flamer
Goody boy.,
Strange, I would have called it average. I guess it is all about perspective.
Have you ever looked at a horse’s cock? Those things are grotesquely HUGE. I’d never want to be a mare that’s for sure.
eaglesgameballs wishes he was a mare.
Two class acts…
https://twitter.com/lookitin/status/728244299511566336
As much of an Eagle killer as Fitz is I have never been able to dislike the guy, he’s just so damn likeable.
He’s a great player against every team. Not like some scrub (Jake Plummer, eg) who has a career game every time he laces up against the Eagles.
One of my friends was at Valley Forge when Fitzgerald was there. He said that Fitz was a monster back then too, but it was hard to say he was going to turn into a superstar because so many of the other players were ultra athletic as well. I guess the separation between who’s going pro and who’s just a going to be a strong college athlete happens further down the line.
Also, from what I understand, Fitz has worked his butt off to fulfill his potential and sustain his physical well-being.
Yeah, so much in sports, and in life, is how hard you work. I think that’s the wall a lot of top tier athletes run into when they get to the pros, if they were physically dominant for so long are they willing to work to maximize themselves when just being more athletic than everyone else isn’t enough? Fitz is what happens when elite athleticism meets elite work ethic.
Jerry Rice is what happens when elite athleticism meets *really* elite work ethic.
Valley Forge what, middle school?
I grew up right next to VF, Audubon.
Ha, no. Millitary Academy.
I currently live in Audobon.
This is outstandingly cool. Thanks for the post.
http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/04/27/scouting-profile-carson-wentz/http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/04/27/scouting-profile-carson-wentz/
Great profile on Wentz if anyone is interested.
Fun read. Thanks.
Kevin Monangai and defensive tackle Travis Raciti released
…and Barner lives on.
So does Barbre…
He is currently the starter.
Yes according to the depth chart. Won’t surprise me at all if he doesn’t survive the final roster cuts.
Is it just me or is there more back end roster churn this year than most.
There is a lot. Probably to be expected with a new coach.
Yeah, feels like Howie wasn’t kidding when he talked about the emphasis on UDFAs this year.
Surprised on Raciti; we seem to be thin at the last DT spots and you’d have thought he could at least battle the UDFAs. Maybe Schwartz already sees someone else he likes (we can hope anyways).
To answer an open question from a few days ago, sounds like Roob thinks there can never be more than 90.
https://twitter.com/roobcsn/status/728327735744016384
FYI . . .
NFL CBA Art 11, Sec. 3(g).
That provision set the roster size at 90 for the 2011 transition year from the old to the new CBA. Not aware of any amendments downsizing.
There was wondering if rosters could swell beyond 90 following the draft with a deadline to trim to 90, spurred by our aggressive UDFA maneuvers.
No swelling allowed, it sounds like
ATG:
The way I read the CBA, rosters can never have more than 90 players under contract at one time.
(It’s late. Sorry if I’m saying the obvious.)
http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-2016-offseason-recap-stick-figure-form/
Awesome stick figure story from Jimmy lol.
Happy Father’s Day… To me!
Congrats! Name? G or GW?
Lol. CR and RD. No weight concerns. 😉
Awesome. Congratulations! Your first?
No my third. 🙂
Glückwunsch!
There seems to be a lot to be excited about with some of our long shots.
https://twitter.com/andrewgreif/status/708083000550948864
https://twitter.com/russelljclay/status/623928104743006208
https://twitter.com/benfennell_nfl/status/699301283686150145