Howie and Fletch Meet the Media
Posted: June 16th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 129 Comments »After signing Fletcher Cox to a mega-deal, the Eagles had to have a press conference. That took place on Thursday. Lots of smiles. Lots of congratulations to go around. Fun for the whole family, basically.
Cox didn’t say anything all that noteworthy. He thanked everyone and talked about being excited for the upcoming season. About the most interesting thing to me was when he told Dave Spadaro that a big night for him is testing one of his race cars at the track. Is that really the hobby you want your star DL to have? What’s wrong with downloading pics of Megan Fox or sending hateful emails to Jimmy Bama (my biggest hobbies)?
Howie Roseman was much more interesting. He talked about the importance of keeping core players together and mentioned continuity as being a huge part of the success the Eagles had from 1999-2008. Howie mentioned there had been too much change in recent years, but rather than have that be a dig at Chip Kelly, took responsibility for some of the change.
You can really tell that Jeff Lurie had a long talk with Howie about what he wanted this year and into the future. Taking responsibility must have been one of the focal points because Howie has done that over and over. Kelly drove us all nuts with the way he used semantics to avoid responsibility or just shift the conversation to a pointless subject. Howie has not done that once this offseason. Just the opposite. He’s been busy praising those around him, even Kelly a time or two, and taking his share of the blame whenever there is a negative issue.
This really is a smart tactic, even when there is no need to take blame for something. You diffuse situations and also look like the better person when you take the blame. Andy Reid did this for years and it got him the respect and loyalty of those around him, both players and coaches.
Howie told a good story about the drafting of Cox. Go to the 13:00 mark of the PE.com video to hear the story of moving up for Cox, but also being tempted to move back when a compelling offer was made.
Someone asked Howie if the Eagles and Cox were ever far apart in negotiations and Howie admitted they were at one point. It almost sounded like the Eagles realized the market was out of whack and just realized that if they wanted to keep Cox around, they were going to have to pay him huge bucks and deal with the consequences.
A couple of people had questions about the Eagles wanting to keep guys off a team that went 7-9 and hasn’t made the playoffs in 2 straight years. Were the players really worth keeping around? Were they that good?
Yes and yes.
The Eagles won 6 and 3 games in the seasons prior to Reid taking over. He could have easily gotten rid of everyone, but wisely chose to build rather than to tear apart. He and Tom Modrak worked hard to identify good players already on the roster and they gave those players new deals or extensions.
Troy Vincent
Bobby Taylor
Brian Dawkins
Jermane Mayberry
Duce Staley
Brandon Whiting
Hollis Thomas
Chad Lewis
Not all of these players were given new deals right away. Some took a year or two. The point is that management was smart enough to understand poor performance by the team didn’t mean the roster was devoid of talent. The same is true now. The Eagles have some terrific players. I think keeping many of them is a no-brainer. Did anyone not approve of Zach Ertz or Vinny Curry getting an extension? The only real questionable deal is the re-signing of Sam Bradford. There is logic to the Eagles decision to pay him, but time will tell if that was the right decision.
Howie did mention to Spadaro the cap situation will be tight over the next couple of years. He also talked about the fact that there are some other young players on the roster the team would like to extend. You have to think he’s talking about Jordan Matthews and Bennie Logan. I’d love to keep both guys around, but we really need to see them in the new schemes to know their true value. I think Matthews will be about the same player, but Logan could play at a higher level now that he’ll be turned loose.
The Eagles made a great move to get Cox’s deal done. He’s happy and ready to go. The team can now relax a bit before getting ready for Training Camp.
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Cox and Roseman were asked about the Nelson Agholor situation. Cox stuck by the statement he made the other day. Roseman declined comment since there is an active investigation.
I haven’t said anything on it myself.
I honestly don’t know anything you don’t so there is no point in me speculating on such a serious issue.
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Aaron
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Bradford, Peters, Mathews, Barwin, Sproles, Celek and others could be off the books next year freeing up a bunch of cap space. In addition the Cap is expected to increase at a minimum of 10 million next year and in future years. I have complete confidence that the Salary Cap will not be an issue for the team in the future. Our core is signed long term. As poor of a season as last year was I am unsure this offseason could have gone any better. I think we are headed in the right direction and I am looking forward to getting this season started.
I think our future success comes down to two things: how the quarterback situation works out, and how Pederson is as a head coach. Everything else is looking good so far, as a starting point.
I think you are right. If DP is a fine coach and Wentz is a legit franchise QB then we are in great shape. I don’t even want to think about what happens if DP sucks and Wentz is a bust.
I couldn’t agree more. If they hit on Wentz (and hopefully improve the blocking in front of him) and Pederson has his stuff together; we’ll be fine.
It really comes down to Wentz. If he is a bust, this team won’t be relevant or make the playoffs for the rest of the decade.
Roseman put all his chips into the center of the table & Pederson’s fate is attached to Wentz at the hip. If Wentz fails and is a bust, I could see Pederson getting canned even in 3 years.
Funny thing is that the Wentz acquisition though essentially assured Roseman at least 3 years and possibly even 4. He gambled but also got some nice job security too.
I was about to post something similar. Howie is talking out of his rear end here in order to not diminish the value of guys we could trade. I’d expect the cap to jump from $155 to $170 next year considering the league just added streaming rights and and re-sold part of the Thursday night package. That’ll hit for next year’s cap. I absolutely don’t worry about this team having money to keep the right guys around.
NFL would make more bank if they stopped giving in to DirecTV. No one wants their crappy service and Internet to watch NFL games. They could get that money using a different forum. I’m pretty sure Google or Apple would give them $2.5-$3 billion a year to have streaming rights taken away from DirecTV.
I agree that it was a great off season in terms of extending several our own players because it shows how well we drafted.
It also speaks volumes as to our ability to develop young talent.
I am really looking forward to see this years D.
I think our players on the D line in particular should really transition well into a 4-3 attacking style, and the DC running it knows what he is doing.
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With the exception of Connor Barwin and Ced Thorton; this has been a 4-3 roster the whole time Kelly/Davis were here. Barwin fits a 4-3 well enough and Thorton is now overpaid to be in the wrong system for his developed skill set. Our D line is going to murder people this year.
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I think both the Bradford and Daniel signings were questionable. Both were overpaid and that huge expenditure at QB must have hurt what Roseman could do to upgrade LB, RB, DT and CB depth.
I really appreciated Roseman’s candor and humility in his comments. To admit that the organization knew this season and next would be more about building for the future than winning is welcome since many of us suspected that to be the case even though the organization until now had stuck to the party line. This honesty makes me trust him more and indicates that he does have Lurie’s full support. It tells me they are not only trying to return to the days of consistent excellence, but will focus on drafting and developing their.own players as the foundation. That is key.
Where I disagree with you is that $ isn’t how you improve LB, RB, DT, and CB; the draft is. Once they liquidate Bradford for some draft picks this next off-season they can continue drafting for depth. It’ll suck not having a first rounder, but you can keep adding quality depth in rounds 2, 3, 4, and hopefully 5 as time goes on.
But that is the point, they have not been able to address it for this season or likely next due to their failures at drafting/developing talent at those positions and the overspend at QB this season.
Roseman had to pick which positions he was going to upgrade this season via FA due to roster holes and he picked OG, S and CB with Brooks, McKelvin, McLeod et al.
I’m not blaming Roseman entirely; it was somewhat the hand he was dealt, but he was involved before 2015 in those drafts and signings.
FA should be used to supplement the roster construction, mostly to patch draft and development mistakes. Even with the cap potentially going way up, it is still silly to overpay for less than elite players in FA. Our elite players should be ones we drafted & developed. Right now, the only elite player we have is Fletch. That has to change going forward for us to win at the level we want i.e. SB.
But it will. Lane, Ertz, the DE Corps from a production standpoint under Schwartz, Jenkins, McCloud, and Parkey are all in the top group of guys in their position groups. Wentz will be by 2018 season. That still isn’t enough, but this roster isn’t exactly Fletcher Cox and 52 turds.
Will, as in the more distant future not this season or likely next. That was my point.
Roseman had to make tough choices and could not fill all the roster holes for this season and likely next due to the spending at QB and their lack of draft/development success at those positions over the last several seasons.
If any of the starters at LB go down, we are in big trouble. Same with RB and DT. Our depth there is very uproven or mediocre. Even the starters at CB are suspect, but again the depth is very questionable.
I was happy to hear Roseman admit the reality for this season and likely next and his candor and accountability for it was smart IMO. Lurie has his back and he’ll be given the chance to build this team into an elite contender over the next 3-5 years. That is music to my ears; again being great is the goal instead of just getting by.
Just out of curiosity, who were the LB, CB and RB you wanted them to spend Bradfords $13M on or the extra $2M we spent upgrading from Sanchez to Daniel. With $15M extra to spend this year we certainly could have signed 3 mid range targets at those positions or one elite guy at CB. But, who were those guys in your eyes and do you think having them would be better for this teams development than having decent QB play this year (in your scenario I’m assuming we’re starting Sanchez this year, because someone has to play QB) and potentially having two additional 2nd round picks in the coming drafts after we trade Bradford next season?
I don’t know if anyone knows the answer to that definitively, but I’ll take decent QB play this season and a couple extra high draft picks in the near future over 2 or 3 mid level free agents any day of the week. I’m just not getting your complaint. You talk about how the most important thing is to build through the draft and then you want us to let our best trade asset walk for free so we can spend that money on free agents rather than turning him into high draft picks and building through the draft.
I did not want Roseman signing any FA this off-season, but the reality is he HAD to due again to the past failures at drafting/developing talent at a whole bunch of positions.
The problem he faced is we had too many holes for him to fill while spending what he did on the QB position for this season.
He had to make tough choices and chose to focus on QB, OL, S, CB and WR because he deemed them to be bigger holes than LB, RB and DT and only had so much $$/resources to work with.
I’m not complaining about anything; all I’m stating is that reality which Roseman confirmed with his comments yesterday – he could not rebuild the team completely this off-season and will likely need next season to finish it while, at the same time, locking up the guys he thinks are the core and putting the focus back on drafting/developing talent i.e. building continuity.
Thus the focus is on building rather than winning now, as it should be IMO and it was refreshing to hear him admit that and take accountability for his part of it. I think he has done a very good job this off-season; we’ll have to see if his choices/investments pay off before we can get too jazzed, but if they do he has likely set us up well for the next long term run.
Agreed and if my sense is that Lurie is trying to duplicate almost exactly what occurred in ’99 and ’00.
Yeah this team struggled in ’99 and the early part of ’00 before coming on strong down the stretch and even winning a playoff game.
McNabb though had an immediate impact (along with Reid’s play calling) and that ’00 defense was one of the better ones in the NFL.
Don’t think Wentz will have the same immediate impact that McNabb did or that this defense will be able to become of one of the best in the NFL by next year. They also don’t have a 1st round pick either next year.
I see this team being 5-11/6-10 and the following 8-8/9-7 assuming Wentz’s first season as a starter isn’t a disappointment
To be fair, if any team lost all of their starters at LB (or any position) they would be in trouble. That has ZERO to do with whether or not they “overpaid” at QB. Do you think the Cowpukes would have liked to have a #2 QB they could rely on the last couple years?
I did not say “all”, I said “any” of the starters at LB. Najee Goode is the primary backup who did not even make the roster last season. Our depth is horrible at that position.
Of course the depth on a roster has something to do with the cap situation of that team and the allocations they have made at certain positions. The Eagles have a huge amount dedicated to the QB position this season; we all understand why they did it, but it does have consequences.
52 Turds. Sounds like a late 90’s Ska band.
Cox and 52 turds is a 80’s punk band
It is a lot of turds though and really thin all over the place. It also doesn’t have a lot of upper-tier talent and I’d argue their 53-man roster out of camp will be the weakest overall one in 10 years.
The 2014 and 2015 drafts were not good for the Eagles, with the exception of Hicks, Rowe and Matthews.
Those two drafts were more about Chip and I am sure he had a strong influence on which players were selected.
However, in 2013 we selected Johnson and Ertz and Logan and they are all great players and the same goes for 2012 where we selected Cox, Curry and Kendricks.
That’s a total of nine hits in in four years, which isn’t that bad IMO.
Good points. Again, I’m not saying Roseman or the Eagles have not drafted/developed anyone good in recent years.
What I’m saying is they now face having a whole slew of either starter or depth holes on the roster and the draft/development failures of the recent years have contributed to that reality. Other things have contributed too such as Chip’s cutting DJax, trading McCoy, letting Maclin walk and bad FA signings like Murray & Maxwell.
I do not let Roseman totally off the hook for the 2014 draft just like I do not for 2011. He has a mixed record, some very good, some good, some bad and some very bad.
I think he did ok this year, we’ll have to judge 2-3 years down the road, but hopefully we can be more consistently good moving forward because otherwise we’ll stay in the spiral of constant change, overpaid contracts, FA spending and missed playoffs we’ve been in for the last 5 years. That is not acceptable IMO; we need to get off that merry-go-round.
Signing Bradford, I think, is a key move for “focus[ing] on drafting and developing their own players as the foundation.” By signing Bradford to a 2 year deal, we pay him $13M this year (reasonable price tag for a starting QB), and will conceivably be able to trade him for anywhere from a 3rd (extreme low end of the market) to as much as a 1st rounder or even more if he stays healthy and plays well. Most likely we end up with a 2nd and a player or even two 2nds, like we did for Kolb. That alone is worth the money we gave him. Add in the fact that he gives us the best chance at having some success in 2016, allows us to redshirt Wentz his rookie year, and provides good enough QB play that our young WRs won’t be stunted by horrible quarterbacking, and I think the deal is just fine.
Daniel was clearly an overpay. But, not by much. Sanchez was making $5M, Daniel is making $7M. I think he certainly provides $2M worth of upgrade over Sanchez, particularly when you add in his value as a teacher of the system to the other QBs.
I agree having someone play this year as a place holder for Wentz is smart. I just disagree we needed two players (Bradford and Daniel) to fill that role.
I also disagree that Bradford will get what you’re expecting next off-season. This offensive unit is hardly inspiring even when healthy and I just do not see how Bradford performs so far above his norm surrounded by such talent and playing the schedule we do that his reputation would be greatly enhanced.
Every team knows the Eagles are cutting bait on Bradford in the off-season to cut costs and give Wentz his chance. Roseman needs that money to fix other positions and if you have Wentz sit further you continue to lose one of his biggest values as a young QB: his cost effective rookie contract. The only way to maximize that value is to start him soon. Teams will play low ball with the Eagles or simply wait them out if they want Bradford. They have all the leverage since it will be a limited market anyway of teams that want Bradford and no reason for them to negotiate against themselves.
I disagree paying Daniel more than Sanchez was necessary – Sanchez has been a starting NFL QB for multiple teams, led teams to AFCCG and has more acumen than Daniel. Daniel has started 2 games at this level in his entire career and never threatened any starting QB he played behind as far as I know. I do not buy the “teacher of the system” stuff. If you wanted Daniel to do that, hire him as a coach. If you sign him as a player, playing QB effectively should be the main focus IMO.
Bradford is under contract next year too. So even if teams play “low ball”, there’s really no reason for the Eagles to deal him if the price isn’t right. Remember Arron sat for what, three years or so.
Aaron played behind some bum named Brett Favre, not even close to comparable a situation.
So, you’re going to sit Bradford on the bench next season and that is somehow going to maintain or raise his value?
Or, you’re going to play Bradford again next season and keep Wentz on the bench, thus wasting another year of his cheap rookie contract?
No, neither of those make sense. Everyone knows it is a one year gig (which is why Bradford was so upset) and we already have Daniel in case Wentz is not ready next season. The Eagles can dangle Bradford all they want, but I doubt he brings back what some expect. Plus I suspect Bradford staying healthy again this season is unlikely which, unfortunately, kills off most of his already low value.
The trouble with both the Bradford and Daniel contracts is 2017, not 2016. The numbers this year are fine. But Daniel is scheduled for an 8 million cap hit next year, 5 of which is guaranteed, and Bradford for *22.5*, 4 million of which is guaranteed. For the latter one, I’m sure there is offset language, and if we simply release Bradford I’m sure he’d sign a contract of at least 4 million so we wouldn’t have to deal with that. The hope is that we could recoup something in trade, but he’d have to play really well (or renegotiate the contract) to make that possible.
Chase Daniel, not as sure on the offset strategy — but maybe. We could just release him, and if he makes over 5 million, we wouldn’t owe anything. But if he signs for less than 5 , we would owe something, and at that point (since Daniel is going to get 5 million either way) he’d probably just sign for the vet minimum meaning the Eagles would pay the balance.
Also, for the offset stuff, I’m not sure if you have to wait a year to recoup the cap room. It’s a lot of cap space next year we are playing with between those two.
But, Cox’ cap hit next year isn’t all that bad. It is 2018 when it becomes a big issue, and by that point we hopefully have Bradford and Daniel both gone, or Wentz gone with a recoup of lots of draft picks and a more reasonable contract for Bradford.
well you do that and at the same time hold bradford at a one year ransom when you could have gotten current assets for him.
Under the I can’t help myself category: Sources say Agholor will be flagged 15 yards for “illegal touching”. I know- it’s a serious matter, one shouldn’t joke about such issues, etc. But for those who have wondered over the years what this call meant, this could be it.
If you’re gonna be a dick, at least be funny.
Subtlety, clearly, is not your strong!
Seems more like a labor dispute so far, but we’ll see when the facts come out…
“It almost sounded like the Eagles realized the market was out of whack and just realized that if they wanted to keep Cox around, they were going to have to pay him huge bucks and deal with the consequences.”
Denver with Miller, Jets with Wilkerson, and Fitzpatrick with the Jets are all smoking crack when it comes to this topic. The market is always going to be “out of whack” in a league where the salary cap keeps going up and up. DT isn’t really that bad, but good lord is DE / pass rushing OLB out of whack due to the contract the Giants gave Olivier Vernon. One has two choices at that point; pay your guy what he’s worth and get him focused and ready for your team (like Howie did with Cox) or rip off a team desperate for the guy in a trade (like the Pats did with Chandler Jones to the Cards). In either case; freezing your guys out and not getting a long term deal done is stupid if you’re going to howl at the moon on the market. You don’t get to make up your own values for things unless you’re dealing with bizarre situations like Tom Brady’s contract or Chip Kelly’s lack of understanding of player valuation in the draft.
The market is the market.
For me, the best indicator we have that the market is “out of whack” is whether the proportion of the cap teams generally devote to a position matches the impact of that position on team success. Though, supply and demand can influence that indicator. Factors like continuity also matter for valuation, but you get the basic picture…
In that sense, I think certain teams/GMs are just bad at valuation. (Ahem, Chip Kelly.) From all the evidence I see, the Cox contract certainly falls in the reasonable range…especially considering all the money that the Eagles can shed next year (which Roseman strategically isn’t discussing right now).
No one thinks the market it out of wack when it comes to what owners make.
“The game is the game”-Omar Little
The right thing to do on the Jets case is let Wilkerson go.
They already have Williams. And have to be like this.
Draft good prospects even if you already have a good starter for the same position.
And the cap have to stop going up.
Based on his Twitter, Cox doesn’t drive the drag cars he only buys them.
Good news if true, but I do not buy it. Who buys cars and does not drive them?
he posted something about racing his car right after he signed his contract.. deleted the tweet after 2 minutes… so i dont know if thats to be believed about not driving the cars…
It wouldn’t bother me at all if there wasn’t a parallel to Jerome Brown’s death, but there is.
At least he is at the track.
A lot of people, I assume, since professional driver is a thing.
But professional drivers do not buy their cars, the teams they race for do.
Exactly my point. Cox is the purchaser. He then hired a professional driver. There were pictures on Twitter of him and the driver.
Gotcha, I thought he was buying them for himself. I did not realize he owned a team and had hired a driver.
I don’t know that he outright owns a team, but he has an 80s Mustang 5.0 that’s pretty tricked out that they take to the track all the time. He’s not the one that seems to do the competitive stuff in it. I’m sure he takes it down the track sometimes for fun, but it’s not a street car so I’m not too worried.
Let’s just hope he doesn’t take the money and try to start a top fuel team.
He’s got the coin to do it now 😉
Actually, he could have far worse hobbies. A country boy from MS being interested in muscle cars is normal.
Then we’re all good to go.
I wonder if this is kind of like saying I buy prostitutes but I just give them to my friends… Kind of not a believable story lol.
Probably works on them with his guys, he said he would have been a mechanic if he didn’t play football.
Remeber the interviews cox gave around the time he was drafted? He was so shy and almost strange. On a conference call one of the reporters couldnt help but as if he didn’t like to talk much. Of course someone giggled. Dave looked really frustrated when he did a one on one phoner. I dont watch Dave much but he used to get really frustrated when things didnt go according to plan.
I remeber loving the fact he was so akward. Figured it meant he was a silent beast. Never forsaw this though.
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I feel like I’m qalking right into a block so jokes on me. The little upside down triangle next to the minimize button on the far right now has a block option in addition to flagging a comment
Haha nope just wondering.
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Coach Jeff Fisher said Thursday that veteran Case Keenum is the starter with the Rams heading toward their first training camp since moving back to Los Angeles. Fisher said Goff (and likely No. 3 Sean Mannion) will get work with the first team along with Keenum and move up when the team deems him ready.
they are leaving someone out. a little someone named 27-2.
Today I was thinking about another similarity between Andy Reid and Doug Pederson: They are both starting out their tenures as Eagles coach against an NFC East that is in the toilet.
2000 Giants went 12-4 and lost in the SB. Reid lost 5 straight to them, including the playoffs in 2000, until we finally broke through in 2001.
During most of Reid’s tenure there was at least 1 NFCE team that was decent – Giants in 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007, 2008, Cowboys in 2003 and 2009, Redskins in 2005.
It was really only 2001, 2004 and 2006 that the Eagles had the division by the throat and the other teams all stank.
I’d expect similar for Pederson. Dallas was just 12-4 the season before last, the Redskins I think are on the come and the Giants have already started rebuilding. The NFCE will rise again soon IMO.
Redskins are nothing to be concerned about until they can beat a team with a winning record!
Agreed although they have improved in their drafting and decision making regarding FA etc. Unfortunately, Snyder is not as involved as before 🙂
It is better than it was 2 years ago and if the Eagles finish anywhere but last in the NFC East this year I’ll be surprised.
I would be concerned about Cox if his hobbies included downloading pics of Jimmy and sending hate mail to Megan.
What if he is sending Jimmy’s pics to Megan Fox?
Post of the day!
I feel like this is a form of trolling that should be done more often.
Did you see Curry’s wife went to Twitter to share that she also was displeased with the officiating last night?
Yeah. I kind of get where she is coming from because the last 2 fouls on Curry were bullshit, but honestly I felt like there were bad calls both ways, no one really benefited it was just an overall clusterfuck.
Curry has taken a lot of stupid early fouls this series, he has to avoid getting 2 in the first quarter like he has been. It’s weird to see too because he’s normally so smart about fouling.
Didn’t like seeing stephan A Smith start a Twitter war with his wife. Classless
What else would you expect from a clown?
So Discuss comes out with a “block” feature at the same moment when spammers/scammers appear… Seems a little suspicious, like they are letting previously blocked spammers through in a very limited number (one per article) to introduce users to the new block feature,
wow that is suspicious. does the NSA know?
Weirdly enough, the troll is gone, I’ve been waiting for him. Maybe he gave up because he knows trolling is no fun if no one sees his stuff?
DaveH is trying hard to get him back…
If you really wanted to be vindictive, you could go back through Tommy’s archives and find a post by him, then go to his profile and block him. You could then even post a link to his profile, so others can do the same.
This would raise some philosophical questions, though. Is the troller of a troll a troll? Is he a heroic troll hunter? Did you see the movie Troll Hunter? Did you also find it surprisingly good? I am not sure anyone is qualified to answer these questions. Except the third one. Netflix could answer that.
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I fell asleep about 316 times during Troll Hunter and another 74 while reading your post.
But apparently both were good enough that you woke up and wanted to continue 315 and 73 times, respectively.
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Where was this 8 months ago:(
My take on it was when the scammers appeared, they finally elected to launch the feature, that feature that everyone had been clamoring for for years.
Any idea on what type of timeframe we should expect for the Agholor situation? Is it even possible that The police didmt interview him yet? By when should we expect to see an arrest if indeed he looks guilty of this?
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Any news on a rape kit result?
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I’d like to think we will know something by the start of training Camp, no?
Hopefully the police do their jobs and we don’t hear anything about this until he’s either brought to trial or the charges are dropped.
It’s none of your business, no matter how much you love the soap opera elements of professional sports.
I disagree that it’s not anyone’s business. Fans invest time and money into the team, and the fate of a 1st round pick is people’s business.
You’re free to disagree, but you’re wrong. It’s a police matter -nosybodies not needed.
nuh uh u r
Uh-huh!
The fact is you are not entitled to any of those things you claim. Even if you buy season tickets and 3144 FOles bobbleheads, there is nothing in that exchange which says you have the right to information regarding 1) a legal investigation, 2) the private lives of players.
What you get is the right to watch the games and amazing time with 3144 of your closest friends.
I think the fact that someone might have been raped supercedes any of our other concerns.
Hurry up with this nonsense … Can nelson just give her the $600 dollars and put this nonsense to rest?
You’re assuming that that’s what actually happened. Which maybe it is, but the police need to be thorough anyhow.
“Hopefully the police do their jobs and we don’t hear anything about this until he’s either brought to trial or the charges are dropped.”
Agreed, but that must happen by the start of camp.
Our business / not our business discussion aside; this needs to be settled either way by the start of camp. The only thing that is important is that either Agholor is fully cleared and we can proceed with him on the team or he’s formally charged and put on Goodell’s paid suspension list until there is a verdict in the trial. But that needs to happen either way by the start of camp so the Eagles can make the necessary roster adjustments.
Football aside, it’s reasonable to have charges brought or dropped before training camp. That’s more than enough time to build a case or exonerate him.
Exactly. That’s really my only concern.
Probably isnt all that complicated. Did the woman take $800 from Nelson($600 short on the agreed upon $1400)? If she did, then it’s highly unlikely that a rape occured…. If none of the talk about money is true, then it becomes worrisome
Regardless of what the police/courts do, he’ll likely still get a multiple game suspension even if there are no charges (the whole “tarnish the shield” thing). Expect more the worse the charges are.
I disagree. First of all, he’s never been in trouble, which seems to matter in these situations. More importantly, if the police file no charges, what do you suspend him for? Participating in the legal act of going to a strip club and spending money there? A suspension over a debunked headline (that lacks even a legal charge!) would set quite a troubling precedent, and one of an arbitrary nature that I think the NFL is trying to move away from.
I’ve been under a rock for the past week, so all that I’ve read is that a dancer at Cheerleaders accused Agholor of sexual assault, and the last thing I read was that the latter was not arrested. Anybody have more than that?
Yes, you’ve missed the rampant speculation that, as usual, is bizarrely distorted by political and homeristic perspectives.
Don’t forget about mysogynistic and anti-jock distortions!
I file those under “political”. “She wuz asking for it” and “He signed the contract DINT he?” seem to be predictable by party affiliation.
I didn’t approve of the Curry extension and thought he got paid decent DE starting money for a guy who is at best a situational pass rusher.
Curry’s current deal isn’t even close to decent for a starting DE.
Curry has 12.5 sacks over the past two years and just signed a five year, $46.25 million contract with the Eagles on February 3, 2016. Curry’s contract contains $18 million fully guaranteed. The guarantee is made up of Curry’s $10 million signing bonus and 2016 and 2017 base salaries.
Olivier Vernon has 14 sacks over the past two years and signed an $85 million contract with the Giants on March 9, 2016. Vernon received a $20 million signing bonus as part of his $40 milion in full guarantees. The total guarantees in Vernon’s contract are $52.5 million. Those will become fully guaranteed if he is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2018 league year.
The Giants just paid a similar guy almost double what we paid Curry. I like Curry’s deal a lot.
We heard more info about LeSean Fightining off duty cops than we are hearing about this.
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As Agholor been interviewed yet?
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What’s up with the rape kit?
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Is it true that the other “dancers” told police that Nelson did nothing wrong?
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If there was a rape, why weren’t the bouncers stationed at the champaign room entrance not aware of it?
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If Nelson actually committed this crime, what is the timeframe for when we should expect to see an arrest?
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It’s been over a week already. More than enough time for a rape kit, interview suspect and “Victim”, bouncers, other dancers, and watch the security tape
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Can we get an update or something?
It’s going to be tough for journalists to get any information on it because the PIO isn’t going to divulge any of the details of an ongoing investigation. You could try to interview some of the people surrounding the case, but that could amount to hearsay and you have to worry about the trustworthiness of the people you interview (if they are willing to speak to you at all.)
The cops certainly aren’t under any obligation to move this along any faster than they feel are necessary either.
Afraid you’re just going to have to be patient.
Not only that but if I’m not mistaken, Curry got his sacks playing from both DE and DT, not just DE.
As if Curry wasn’t a solid run defender when he was a 4-3 DE
When it comes to scouting in basketball, it’s Rare when Elite Talent meets charechter at the elite prospect level…the saying goes “when charechter meets the talent, it’s usually the beginning of something special”… Hopefully the same applies to high level QB prospects
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Last years NBÁ draft provided the perfect example, Karl Towns, rated as an elite Talent who also came with the highest Charechter rating from the draft class… That combo produced an epic rookie season, with KAT looking like the next big thng in the NBÁ
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We hear so much about Wentz talent and Charechter, Hopefullly the same dynamic applies for us
I didn’t remember hearing the saying “when charechter (sic) meets the talent…” so I googled it. First, based on the autocomplete suggestions, I am not the first to do so (see picture).
Second, I did a little more digging and found that it isn’t a saying, it is a quote. It was in a Bleacher Report article last night about Towns having high character:
“‘Towns might have been the most high-character guy in the draft,’ a scout said. ‘It’s rare when talent meets character at that level. You need talent. There’s no one who has stuck in the NBA without talent. When character meets the talent, it’s the beginning of something special usually.'”
(http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2645537-the-2016-nba-draft-prospects-youd-take-home-to-meet-your-parents#)
Is Bleacher Report also not worthy of receiving credit for their ideas, like Rotoworld, Kempski, and others?
Well, at least it wasn’t completely plagerized. There was a misspelled word.
Your googling and geagel’s sheer productivity seem like natural allies, so I’m trying to understand the nature of your criticism here. We’re not talking about an article, but a comment thread, so sources don’t have to be credited (although it’s nice)
Maybe the volume of geagle posts makes you hold him to a higher standard, like some kind of hybrid commenter/writer. In that case, I’ll remind you that writing in comment form means you’re allowed to be a homer, allowed to misspell words, skip sources, and create generally rough content. Saying you think Rotoworld, Kempski, BR et al need to “receive credit for their ideas” in giggle posts seems like you’re giving gg way too much credit as a contributor.
That being said, gg posts are a big part of why I started reading these threads. Of course he’s a homer like the rest of us (except you ofc) and there will always be more professional and factual commenters, but if I want some 24/7 Eagle-related posts on Tommy’s excellent articles, I’m coming here to get the hot geagle takes.
You should be helping the guy, not aggressively trying to edit.
I disagree about giving credit where it is due. If you are sharing someone else’s work, you should give them credit. Always. Even in small talk conversations, it is normal to say, “I read a Bleacher Report article about this…” Certainly when you are quoting entire paragraphs nearly verbatim a nod to the source is proper.
As for the spelling, no one is playing grammar police around here. When one writes that they know they misspell words, see them, but don’t bother to fix them because they can’t waste their time doing so, it is rude.
And where do you get the idea that I am not a homer?
What’s wrong with coming up with your own saying? Seemed to work for these guys…
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/2sypkt/key-and-peele-pussy-on-the-chainwax
“Character”, please, not “charechter”. My spell check auto-corrects that spelling…
Say what you want about Howie and we all have, but the guy knows the cap. I have no cap worries going forward. In fact with their future QB on a rookie deal and Bradford almost certainly on a one and done, they will be able to pay whomever needs to be paid. Plus the cap is going up significantly.
Agreed, I’m not worried.
Seriously impressed with Howie’s offseason. Maybe everything will blow up in our faces but, on the surface, his moves look sound.
The big wildcard is Wentz. Lets hope he was right in his evaluation.
“Is that really the hobby you want your star DL to have? What’s wrong with downloading pics of Megan Fox or sending hateful emails to Jimmy Bama (my biggest hobbies)?”
I confess I gave a laugh.
I’m not concerned by Fletcher’s interest in his drag racing car, because I’ve watched videos about it (it’s an old Fox-body Mustang, and a damn fast one!) and it appears that someone else is driving. From what I gathered, Fletcher is owner and co-mechanic–I think it’s a great hobby, as long as Fletcher isn’t the driver.
Here’s a link to the video I saw, which was a couple months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3aGxTrOits. They explicitly say that Shawn Ayers [this is the correct spelling; I looked it up] is the driver.