Other Than That
Posted: August 13th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 183 Comments »You know the old joke “Other than that, what did you think of the play Mrs. Lincoln?”? Feels like the Eagles are going through a rough patch where that joke applies. It sure seems like RT Lane Johnson is going to be suspended for 10 games. That would be rough with a good OL situation, but the Eagles backups were a mess on Thursday night. Today we found out Carson Wentz has a broken rib and will miss at least the next couple of games. The receivers, who struggled so much in the game, had a severe case of the drops today at practice.
Other than that…
Life isn’t that bad for the Eagles right now, it just feels that way. Wentz was not going to play much this year so missing practices and a couple of preseason games won’t have a major impact on the season. It does hurt Wentz in the sense that he needs all the work this summer that he can get because he won’t get that much during the season.
Some are debating whether Wentz should have even been on the field when he did get hurt (next to last play for him). The O-line was struggling in a major way so leaving him out there meant Doug Pederson was taking a chance with a valuable asset. It is absolutely fair to question the wisdom of that move. At the same time, preseason snaps can be invaluable for someone like Wentz. Practice is important, but actual game reps are critical. Hitting is live and that makes a difference for offensive players, since practices have limited contact. The speed of the game also goes up a notch when you face an actual opponent and not your own defense. The best education for Wentz is lots of game time. Ironically, getting him extra snaps on Thursday will cost him a couple of games.
Eagles clearly bracing for Lane Johnson suspension. Allen Barbre taking first team RT reps, Isaac Seumalo at LG.
— Brandon Lee Gowton (@BrandonGowton) August 13, 2016
Everyone now expects Johnson to get suspended. Ugh. It sounds like he made a real effort to find out if his supplement would get him in any trouble, but he obviously didn’t get the right answers from the right people. It seems utterly ridiculous to me that the NFL can’t do a better job in this area. They need to put out a definitive list of what is approved. Any player who strays from that is then at his own risk.
I am not a huge fan of moving Barbre to RT and then trying to find a LG. Barbre wasn’t exactly great at RT in the summer of 2014 and then was sloppy in the opener until he got hurt. And Seumalo was less than great in the opener. I would have liked the coaches to leave Barbre at LG and given Dennis Kelly a few practices with the 1’s at RT. Kelly didn’t play well in the opener, but he has some experience there. I also believe in the value of stability and continuity. With a look of Peter-Seumalo-Kelce-Brooks-Barbre, you only have returning starters at two spots. That is less than ideal.
No matter how you slice it, the Eagles need one or more linemen to step up. That could be Barbre, Seumalo, Kelly or several other guys. The teams needs players to win jobs, not just look less awful than the other options.
Could there be outside help?
I'm told a healthy Will Beatty worked out for Jags yesterday and was offered a contract. He and reps are mulling the offer.
— Tom Rock (@TomRock_Newsday) August 13, 2016
Also, Philly has reached out to Beatty as well as they await a decision on Lane Johnson appeal. No workout there yet.
— Tom Rock (@TomRock_Newsday) August 13, 2016
Beatty missed all of last year due to injuries, but has 63 career starts, most at LT. He would be a solid veteran addition to the OL group. We’ll see if anything comes of this.
The Eagles are good at LT, C and RG. They have a few weeks left to sort out LG and RT.
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“That would be rough with a good OL situation, but the Eagles backups were a mess on Thursday night. Today we found out Carson Wentz has a broken rib and will miss at least the next couple of games.”
He’s hurt because the backup OL were a mess. Excellent that those two sentences followed each other!
If Barner had scored earlier in the drive, Wentz never takes that hit. I am pretty sure you can pin this injury squarely on Barner.
I could also ask the sun to not emit UV radiation; not happening. Barner couldn’t produce a meaningful score in a brothel with a roll of $20s in his hand.
Wait, Barner hangs out with Agholor?
Might explain the drops by Agholor.
Barner > Agholor. Sad thing is that it isn’t even close right now
That sounds really fishy to me.
Oh, man, am I going to be using that line.
sucks hes hurt, but that means lil at this point unless sam gets hurt
I’m still of the opinion that if Bradford went on the IR, that they’d sign a vet to back up Daniel before they’d let Wentz start this year. I’m just bummed that he’ll be pissing all of those reps in pre-season games.
i dont think theyd sign a vet at all, that would be a terrible look for wentz the guy they gave up so much for
I’d tend to agree with you, but I have a strong suspicion that they’re planning on double bubble wrapping him for all of 2016.
If Bradford does on IR, I definitely think that is what they do especially if it is in the 1st half of the year with that guy likely starting some games.
I don’t see Wentz starting a game way or the other until after Thanksgiving at the earliest and likely 2-3 games in Dec when they are eliminated from playoff contention.
The problem with playing Wentz this season is you basically have to do it shortly after the bye, or wait until after the Seahawks, Packers, Bengals stretch of games from Nov 20- Dec4. And even then the remaining 4 games is the division rivals and Baltimore.
Of the first 9 games they are probably only major dogs vs the Steelers. But the last 7 is a tough stretch.
Agreed; hence why I don’t think he plays until 2017 at the earliest. I think he spends the year bubble wrapped and if we IR Bradford there will be another vet signed. Wentz is QB3 for the year.
Actually my biggest concern for the o-line starters is Jason Peters. That guy goes down and I may have to suit up
I’m still confused as to how the Eagles expect to get 16 healthy and full games out of Peters this year after what we all saw last year.
I’m a huge fan of Peters but I agree. Didn’t Jason make comments about Chip’s regime tiring him out? Maybe he, and the new coaches, truly believe he can play a full season. I guess with the current state of the O-line, they have little option but to believe. Make-believe, though, might be more realistic.
Him being tired out is one thing, but his propensity to get hurt in games is only going to get worse with age.
No doubt. I hope they can keep him patched together with duct tape for this year.
And he has a degenerative back condition.
“Life isn’t that bad for the Eagles right now, it just feels that way.” I don’t know, I just don’t know.
Season looking bad with Lane gone. Peter’s can’t make it through a practice. I hope Matthews is back for opening day
That’s absolutely garbage that the NFLPA is in an agreement with this app (Aegis) and promote that application to players, but then turn around and say that they still can’t be held responsible for anything that goes wrong with products that receive a “green check mark.”
If you aren’t going to take any responsibility for what happens with supplements listed in the app as acceptable, then why are you promoting that app to the players and in an agreement with the app in the first place?
agree but it’s a huge amount if liability — 10 games like $7m.
Agree if you promote an app you have to back up the players using it instead of turning against them
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The issue isn’t that the NFL isn’t clear enough in providing a definitive list of banned substances, it’s that the FDA does not regulate any supplements. So a company can sell you a pill in GNC that says directly on its ingredients list that there’s no banned substances yet it can be chock full of stuff that’s not listed in the ingredients. Sounds like Lane bought supplements online, handed them to some team or NFLPA official to check if there was anything banned and all they did was look at the ingredients and check it against the list of banned substances. Nothing listed was banned and he was told he was good to go. Except it turns out the supplements contained things like banned peptides that weren’t listed as ingredients. And there’s no laws that prohibit or punish these companies for that.
It is fairly amazing that this industry still goes unregulated. There is a huge grey area with these products. A few years ago, there was a push that it would have some oversight, and some nutraceutical companies attempted to clean up their processes and products. But that threatened regulation never really came. So it still remains a free for all. If you do enough research however, there are a few companies that follow GMP and are ISO certified… I take a few supplements, and I only do so from companies that voluntarily subscribe to such regulations. But it is still a very confusing and deceptive industry, and I can easily see how a pro athlete can fall prey to it.
A free for all is better than the alternative. Big pharma has bought and paid for the FDA, and it has pushed very hard to regulate friggin’ vitamins because a ton of money is spent on supplements, and pharma wants no competition! There is so much information online about every substance one can put in the body, that there is no need to regulate, but simply to educate. That information is pharma’s big enemy. There are at any given time thousands of lawsuits targeting pharma because of its miserable track record in circulating very dangerous and often ineffective prescription drugs. It extends patents to ensure that retirees pay through the nose for essential medication, and it buys the legislators to maintain its stronghold on medicine costs. People need to be careful what they wish for.
Very good point about big pharma and their endless supply of lobbyists essentially allowing them to regulate themselves by buying the influence needed to do so with the FDA and our government.
The fact that we’re the only modern industrial county in the world where it’s actually illegal for medicare, Medicaid and other health insurances to negotiate the price of drugs with the drug companies is insane. It’s no wonder that drugs cost exponentially more here than in other countries.
Still, it’s not, or at least it shouldn’t be an all or nothing option. There could easily be laws requiring the accurate labeling of supplements without having the same level of regulation and requirements for the FDA to allow those supplements to be sold at all. I’m fine with you selling whatever you want, but you should have to accurately and truthfully list all ingredients and there should be recourse if you sell something to someone that has hidden, unlisted ingredients added in.
No it shouldn’t be but the way power is accrued and abused in our money-driven culture, it usually is all or nothing. It is the deification of winning over all else, celebrated amongst all classes, and typically only condemned in the lower ones. The supplement industry, though seems to me to be fairly well self-regulating. Reading ingredients has become second-nature to me, and it really ought to be drummed into every athlete’s head that you know exactly what you are ingesting. Misrepresentation on the part of supplement brands is probably mainly confined to the body-building sector, but even there, you can google the ingredients and read reviews of almost every sold supplement. It takes time, but it seems to work better than the bribery inherent in FDA approvals and bans.
For all the shot and liability law suits in the us. The supplement market going free for any damage done in cases like this is crazy.
This is also the reason why Europeans are advised to never buy supplements from the us
It’s crazy to me that the US has become such an unregulated haven for this kind of BS. You’d think in a modern society it would have to be illegal to misrepresent the ingredients of products intended to be ingested by other humans. Especially when these Growth Hormone inducing peptides we’ve been talking about have been shown to cause cancer.
See, it’s not like it’s a completely unknown thing that these supplements are completely unregulated and based on some real shitty bro science and anecdotal evidence. These are professional athletes with multiple professional trainers and a full medical department at their disposal, and they’re still using the same decision making as the guy won’t stop curling in the squat rack at my gym. Yes, the supplement industry is screwed, but there’s no excuse for athletes continuing to fall for psuedoscience (see: Phelps and cupping; James Harrison and accupuncture; Every baseball player and those necklaces) and Lane Johnson is insistent on being the sacrificial lamb. That’s on him.
Can’t disagree with you on that. Except acupuncture. That stuff actually works. How it works I have no freaking clue, but it’s more than a placebo effect. We use it all the time in our pain clinic.
Again, anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
33 references at the bottom of this article, totaling about 3000 studies of acupuncture with very inconsistent results. Basically, it’s the exact same logic as the supplements.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupuncture-doesnt-work/
There are quite a few studies that show efficacy with certain pain syndromes. It hasn’t been proven to work for other health issues. But, there is good evidence of its effect in pain. Not just anecdotal. You can search pubmed if you’re really interested in reading those studies.
The only thing bugging me about the Wentz injury is that he was injured. Sort of feel like Media Mike. I dont want another Sam Bradford.
Considering that I’ve been forced to endure that mongrel in NY never missing a game due to injury; this is BS!
Problem is a player could get approval for a certain supplement and then take something else, claiming the supplement caused the false positive. There’s no way of controlling for such sinple dishonesty so they don’t try
Barbre as the starting RT, a guy with the same chronic leg injury and lower back pain that sidelined him last year (Peters), and a undersized, veteran center coming off a bad year in a scheme that isn’t ideal.
Even with Brooks back this is a below average line. Without him, I’d argue it is the worst in the league.
I made a bet today Bradford doesn’t go more than 6 games with an injury that forced him out for at least one entire start.
one step forward and two back with this team
Wentz definitely needs to learn to protect himself better although I do wonder if Pederson left him in the game a bit too long.
Also wasn’t crazy about Pederson’s post-game comment too regarding how he wanted to see Wentz hurdle a guy instead of slide too when he got asked about Wentz’s helicopter collision.
Wentz could free lance and run more recklessly at North Dakota St because of the competition. He does that in the NFL and your see more of these types of injuries. Already took some brutal shots just in his limited time in the first preseason game.
better he get his hits now and learn the lessons that needs to learn.
Wasn’t he injured in the pocket?
Yeah held on to the ball to try to copmplete the pass for a 1st down and took a big hit.
Quick to his credit noted it right away and said he needs to get rid of the ball sooner to avoid those late shots from guys who has beat their blocker.
Yea, Wentz looks anything but brittle. He broke a bone in his wrist when it got smashed by a helmet and he got a hairline rib fracture on a helmet to ribs hit that I’m sure would have severed Bradford’s body in half. I’d imagine there isn’t anyone, outside of Wolverine from the X-men, that wouldn’t end up with a rib fracture after that.
The kid has never had a soft tissue injury or any injury to his ligaments which are the kind of injuries that seem to be recurring or indicative of being injury prone. His two broken bones are just freak occurrences that would happen to anyone when a helmet smashes them like that.
Yea I thought Pederson’s comments about hurdling the tackler were weird to say the least. It’s a meaningless preseason game, most coaches would be yelling at their prize draft pick to get down and protect himself not imploring him to recklessly throw his body around. I was actually more excited about his beautifully executed slide than I was excited about the prospect of having a QB that hurdles defenders.
Things are going as planned, no dream team talk, not a bunch of big name free agents signed that have us talking Super Bowl. We have the makings of a good team based on all the “good” negativity, I like it.
So, do we need to sign another QB to take snaps? I hear Tebow and Johnny football are available.
I thought you said quarterback?
Brett Farve, too.
Move Agholor to RT. He can use his hands of stone to drop pass rushers on their ass.
I just looked at the free agent tackle list for 2017; and threw up.
Such a huge mistake to have not signed Mitchell Schwartz.
There isn’t shit available at WR
Shaq Evans, Rasheed Bailey, Justin Hunter, Tre McBride, Kaseen Williams, Jake Kumerow
That is okay, we already have shit at WR.
I generally don’t give much of a hoot about anything on O other than making sure people on the o-line step up and making sure we keep the correct group of guys at RB.
KB is on the team so you can cross off RB worries.
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http://media.philly.com/images/082614-kenjon-barner-600.jpg
His hands appear to be cut off in this picture; which is the basic equivalent of how Barner plays.
Now you’ve made him a sad disembodied head
http://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/images/Kenjon-Barner-profile-shot.jpg
as long as he’s dis-rostered on cut down day; it’ll be fine.
I got to agree with Rellihcs, with Mathews’ history, Sproles’ age, Smallwood missing so many reps, and the other two looking so pedestrian on Thursday, I don’t see how he gets cut.
Easy; somebody looks at his lack of talent and lack of potential vs. Smallwood and Marshall and makes the correct call.
I don’t think I have ever been as underwhelmed with what I saw since before we got TO. I keep telling myself it’s one preseason game and Agholor will show up this year. Another few days and I’ll start to believe it.
Thrash and Pinkston don’t sound too bad right about now.
Freddie Mitchell would be an upgrade.
38 year old Cheeto-fed, 2016 Freddie Mitchell.
I wonder if he can get out of his contract with Kinkos. Or is Freddie homeless these days? I haven’t been following him.
This sounds like something my little brother would have said before making a face at me when no one was looking.
https://twitter.com/jasonlacanfora/status/764664389886619648
I’ll be seriously considering to throw up in my mouth should Demarco Murray run for 1500+ yards as a Titan…
Let’s take a look at the last couple days or so of Eagles and related news:
*Lane Johnson suspended for 10 days for
*Eagles WRs, including several high draft picks, look awful
*Carson Wentz looks okay, but then gets hurt
*Demarco Murray breaks a 71yd TD
*Dak Prescott lights it up with the starters in his 1st game
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I know it’s only
Pre season, but you summed up exactly my feelings.
Other than that…
Well last year at this time we were all thinking Super Bowl, so this is good? Right?
Should I give your post a thumbs down for bringing this all to my attention?
In a month all of that will be long forgotten (except the Lane Johnson suspension, and the Eagles WR sucking).
Prescott is still a glorified Dan Mullen system H back waiting to happen. He “lit it up” against a Rams team that wasn’t playing hard and left Dez Bryant covered with garbage DBs 1 on 1 the whole time.
Please for the love of God, Do Not put Dennis Kelly on the field. I don’t even know how that Cockroach keeps surving all these regime changes. He played a handful of plays last year and manages to get Bradford killed. I have no reason to think he will all of the sudden become a Capable starter.
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Then again, you know your are screwed when your team has reached out to a OT who could even keep his job on that Pathetic Giants OL.. You can’t make a OL that features Justin Pugh as one of its best players?
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Not surprised to hear Barbre moved outside, but is Wisnewski really dissapointing this offseasons? Why did the rookie get to start at LG instead of the hungry veteran fighting for a contract? Wisnewski had his struggles against the Bucs, but it’s not like Seumalo had a monster performance.
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If we were to be successful this yeàr it was because we projected to be solid on both sides of the trenches, but losing Lane is a disaster.
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Thankfully Our division Rivals have plenty of their own problems to worry about.
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Im not GOING to rip the head coach because the rookie got hurt. Like come on? Wentz isn’t even going to play this year, people act like a couple games of preseason experience is really going to make a significant difference. i DONT even wants to see him play with the 3rd team any more. His talent jumped out the screen when he was on the field with 3rd team players who won’t even make the roster
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My biggest Pet Peeve is worthless Chase Daniel taking second team game experience away from Wentz. For the 7million we are gifting to Chase, it shouldn’t be too much to ask to let the kid play with the second team just in the preseason games for the good of this franchise. It’s the least Chase could do.. But Wentz is hurt now so it doesn’t even matter… The silver linning was supposed to be Wentz making the second half of PS games exciting.. Now we can’t even have that..
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Wonder how many Eagles fans will be at the Linc in the second half of the next PS game watching Chase and Bethel play QB… We just can’t have,nice things as eagle fans…#demoralized
I have a feeling that if the season were to start this week we’d see Wiz instead of Seumalo. I think the thought process of the coaching staff is that Seumalo is a young, cheap draft pick that we have high hopes for and hope would become a starter this year or next, while Wiz is a 1 year rental looking to get paid. Ideally, Seumalo would win the job outright and become a multiyear starter on a cheap salary and Wiz would provide much needed depth this year and allow us to stock up on competent backups next offseason when he moves on. Therefore, let’s see how the kid looks with the starters and force him to declare himself as an ineffective starter before we immediately go with the guy that might not return next year. If the light goes on for Seumalo, great, we’re right where we ideally want to be. If not, Wiz can start this year and we can readdress next offseason.
I feel you.. Hopefully we see big growth from Seumalo from one preseason game to the next. Wouldn’t suck to see what the rookie can do this week playing with the 1’s.
Wentz got hurt last year and missed half the season. Now he’s hurt so this season will likely be a wash. Is it unreasonable to worry the Eagles franchise qb is a guy with only one full season of quarterbacking on his resume?
The odds of Wentz starting more than 2 games was very low already.
Untapped market opportunity to sell painted Eagles paper bags?
I try to never get too hyped or down based on meaningless preseason play but health/injuries do matter. Wentz’s injury is more unfortunate because now his miss the additional 4-6 quarters of game time to develop this preseason but not terrible news.
Johnson’s suspension matters a lot as Peters having the exact same injury he had last year Day 1 in camp. I thought 6 wins going into camp. Ratchet that down to 5 and they are a meaningful injury away to Bradford from being a 2 or 3 win team.
I think the defense is too strong to be a 3 win team.
I don’t even think the offense will be bad enough for a 3 win team
with Bradford I agree. With Daniel and this oline, nope.
There seems to be plenty of Monday Morning Quarterbacking (or Friday Morning Coaching?) going on amongst the beat writers, and fans.
1. Pederson should have pulled Wentz sooner so he wouldn’t have gotten hurt…so he could get more reps during preseason. Wait, what? The OL isn’t going to magically improve, so reps in game 2 are no less dangerous than reps in game 1. Had he not played Wentz, the same reporters would be ripping him for wasting precious reps on Daniels and McLeod.
2. Wentz has to get rid of that ball quicker to avoid taking the hit from the rusher. And if he does? The articles claim he has happy feet, he can’t stand tall in the pocket, he is scared of NFL-quality defenders.
It is a hairline fracture on a rib. I promise, if we were in the midst of a Wentz-led playoff hunt, he would be strapping on a flak jacket and suiting up. Yes, it is preseason, the games don’t count and he needs to take care of himself. Except, preseason is all he gets this year so the games do matter for Wentz. He has a lot to prove and this is his shot.
Honestly, I think the beat reporters, and fans, want someone to blame for the remaining preseason games losing their biggest draw.
This^
So much has been blown out of proportion. There are legitimate concerns in some cases but everyone is choosing silly stuff to get bent over.
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Yeah it seems like overkill the past day or so. I understand why the media and fans are down on this team though. Hasn’t been much to root for and this has been the capper so far.
Normally the fans get too much in one direction but I can see why this have a negative vibe about this season. I do think especially with a new and untested coach.
For all of the complaining too that Eagles’ fans do about not winning a Super Bowl, this team hadn’t gone through any kind of prolonged down period either of 5-6 consecutive years of largely meaningless football.
As a Phils’ fan who came of age in the 80s, they essentially played twenty years and had one truly meaningful season (’93) from ’84 to ’00.
Comparing almost any team to one of the worst run clubs in the history of professional sports isn’t really fair. I’m a Phillies fan, but they truly are and have been a terribly operated organization for 130 years.
And remain one of the biggest set of bunglers and liars around when it comes to injuries.
Easy explanation. It’s the triple H’s. People get really angry when it’s 110 degrees in the shade.
“Except, preseason is all he gets this year so the games do matter for Wentz. He has a lot to prove and this is his shot.”
I agree and this is why the injury is concerning. I don’t care about the pre-season and there’s no reason to argue who is to blame. What concerns me is that everyone knows Carson needs a lot of coaching and prep work before he can attempt to become a franchise qb. Now, I can’t imagine any way Wentz can be ready to play in regular season games this year with no additional game experience. Practice can’t cut it.
Presumably, the plan was to use the pre-season to have Carson ready during the regular season if and when: Bradford gets hurt, Bradford sucks, and/or the team has no shot at the playoffs. Now, the clock on his learning and, therefore, his ability to take the reigns, is pushed way back.
No that wasn’t presumably the plan. They signed Chase Daniel to a huge deal. He’s the most expensive backup in the league. Where did you hear this was the plan? :
Presumably, the plan was to use the pre-season to have Carson ready during the regular season if and when: Bradford gets hurt, Bradford sucks
I get what you’re saying. I diluted my main point, which was Carson’s lost opportunity during the pre-season. This is when the youngster would have a chance to develop in game situations. If he showed some chops, the team would have the option of playing him during the regular season.
For the sake of discussion, here’s three very possible scenarios:
1. Eagles have a losing record.
2. Sam injures his knees again.
3. Carson plays way better thank Chase in pre-season and practice during the season.
Then, it seems entirely possible to me the Eagles would want Wentz on the field. Judiciously, at first, but increasing his playing time. Accelerate his learning and prep him for the future. Daniels remains at #2.
Your main point is really the crux of it. It sucks. No one other than the line is to blame.
Sucks. Right. Truth.
Exactly. I think the plan is clearly to not have Wentz play at all this year except maybe late in the season during a blow out (in either direction), just to get him some reps. And, even that is unlikely if he’s not dressed on game day with both QBs healthy.
Agreed. To be expected though. Everything that goes wrong makes someone a moron in this town.
Whats the current over under for wins on the Eagles? Because I’m guessing I’m going to be really feeling the under.
I think I saw 7 somewhere, but don’t quote me on that.
I was at 7 or 8 before this thing with Lane. I’m downgrading to 6 or 7 now.
I still think the D is going to knock some heads and keep us from being too bad of a team.
I had us at 9 and the division. Really starting to think 7. Still far to early to make a real prediction for me though.
We’re going to be scrappy. Gave up the draft for wentz so hard to see how we’d see improvement except on defense. Not seeing grown we need from skill players from lane to huff. If hicks gets injured I’m going to have a big sad face.
All that said we tend to start strong in preseason then suck during the regular season so maybe we’ll do the opposite.
Imo a single RT is not worth 2 games over a full season.
Not using any formulas. Just my gut.
Its not based on any formula, but unless you have world greatest tackle, no player outside of a QB is worth so much to a teams win/loss.
Lane isn’t the only factor. We have 1 ps game under our belts.
I think the bigger issue is that it ends up not being just RT. When we move Barbre out to RT, we’re now down to our 2nd string RT AND our 2nd string LG. This is of course speculation, but let’s assume Peters misses some time during those 10 games. Now instead of moving Lane to LT and putting either Barbre or someone else at RT which would allow us to weather that impending storm, we’ve suddenly got an Oline of Tobin – Seumalo – Kelce – Brooks – Barbre. As opposed to Johnson – Barbre – Kelce – Brooks – Tobin/Kelly/whoever. That might end up being worth 2 games if the offense ends up looking like 2014 against the 49ers for an extended period of time.
With our lack of depth, Johnson’s suspension makes the margin for error and our ability to withstand an injury (which with Peters barely able to make it through practice already is a high likelihood) razor thin. But, otherwise, yea, going down to your 2nd string RT shouldn’t normally cost you multiple games.
I argue that Barbre is not 1st strong LG.
I’ve been sticking with 5.
Yeah, that’s my pick, too. Just hoping we see improvement over time.
5 seems really low. Every year is different. But, just comparing the roster to last years it’s hard for me to not think the roster has improved. Then you add the anticipated improvement in the defense now that the scheme fits our talent better and we have a competent DC. Then add a healthy Bradford as opposed to one that’s still rehabbing his knee, and it’s really hard for me to not think this team is better than last years version.
So, the question becomes what do we see as the effect of Chip Kelly’s coaching versus Doug’s. I know a lot of people feel that Chip was able to manifest offense with his scheme, but I feel that’s more based on what he did in years prior rather than last year. My contention is that Chip’s coaching was so bad from a schematic standpoint last year that his effect (both on offense and in tiring out our defense) was a net negative rather than a net positive. So, I assume that the schemes, both offensively and defensively and how they play off each other, will also be improved actually.
If last year’s team was good for 7 wins, I’d be hard pressed to say that this year’s team will be much worse than that. Given the state of the NFC East, even being extremely conservative, I see at least 3 wins there if we split all our division games and realistically more like 4. Then, regardless of how bad this team might be, they’re easily competitive with the likes of the Browns, Bears, Lions, Vikings, and Falcons. Even if we only win 2-3 of those 5 games we’re looking at at least 6 wins.
So 6 wins is, I believe, our floor. With our absolute ceiling being about 9. I think the over under of 7.5 is actually pretty accurate.
Pederson will most likely won’t be able to right the ship in one year. The reason why I’m putting this team down is because they are still on that downward trend. Rookie coach and madding inconsistency from the offense won’t win us many games even if our defense can be good.
We added some nice pieces this offseason but so did everyone else. Assuming there are no major injuries, I can only comfortably say that we can beat the Browns, Lions, and Bears. Toss up for teams like Falcons, Vikings, and Redskins. Odds are against us beating the Giants, Steelers and Cowgirls. Major upsets if we beat the Packers, Bengals, and Seahawks. Maybe I’m underestimating the team but nothing to my knowledge has made me think that our defense has improved so much that it can carry the team this year.
Last I saw, Vegas had the o/u for the Eagles at 7.5.
Does Murray out run our running backs this year?
No.
I hope not.
Malcolm Bunche and Deon Long released prompting speculation it may be to add Will Beatty and/or someone else such as Tulloch. But we’ll see.
Really upsetting on Bunche. He was billed as a guy who was going to work his way into contributing at guard.
I worked in a supplement factory. I made the ingredient lists for the nutritional facts labels.
There is no fda requirement that ingredients be listed. Therefore it was voluntary for company to list them. In addition slight changes in the ingredients were not always put on label. Why because reporting is voluntary. Why throw out old labels.
Hard for nflpa to monitor, changing ingredients, voluntary reporting.
Impossible for a player to monitor.
Nflpa doesn’t want to be liable if a player uses a tested product and is then positive for substances
Which is what they should tell players, instead of giving them an app that provides false security.
The only arguement the NFLPA has is that they offer to test supplements, but if they do that, why have the app?
And if they are aware that the supplements can vary from batch to batch, even testing offer much value.
I think what the NFLPA says they are offering is that they’ll test your specific supplement/batch for each player. So Lane could have sent them pills or powder or whatever it was from the bottle he bought and they’d test it specifically. At least that is how I read their statement.
Don’t know if this was posted…
Andre Johnson and Anquan Boldin recently found new NFL homes in Nashville and Detroit, respectively. Might Marques Colston be the next veteran free agent to be signed after a silent offseason?
The New Orleans Saints’ all-time leader in receptions (711), receiving yards (9,759) and receiving touchdowns (72) intends to continue his football career once he’s fully recovered from postseason shoulder surgery.
“Once I’m done with rehab,” Colston said this week, via PennLive.com, “I’ll see what’s out there.”
The 33-year-old added that there’s “no rush” to find a new team, suggesting he won’t sign before training camps end.
Although Colston was released with a failed physical designation after posting career lows in receptions (45), yards (520) and touchdowns (4) over 13 games last season, he has no hard feelings about the Saints organization.
“I had a great experience down there for a decade,” Colston explained. “I know it’s a business, and there are no hard feelings.”
If Colston fails to generate interest once the season starts, he won’t lack for post-career opportunities.
His off-the-field ventures include part ownership of the Arena Football League’s Philadelphia Soul and a position as special adviser for Sport Testing Inc., a company designed to track a professional athletes’ strengths and weaknesses in all aspects of any sport.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000684736/article/marques-colston-wants-to-continue-nfl-career
http://www.nfl.com/player/marquescolston/2495821/profile
I certainly wouldn’t turn my nose up at the idea, it’s not like we gave a bunch of young potential to develop.
Hey guys, how’d you like how Laremy Tunsil was being all stone wallish on those hapless Giants DTs?
If we hadnt traded up for Wentz, Tunsil and Ramsey was 2 guys I would have loved here.
Good for Tunsil! I’m a big fan and the Giants suck.
Didn’t you complain for years that the Eagles don’t have a real QB. So they make a trade to get one, and we’ll see if it works. So now you complain that the Eagles didn’t not do that and take an OL instead.
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http://www.phillyvoice.com/rowe-safety-five-takeaways-eagles-dc-jim-schwartz/
I find it cool to have a DC who is old school but at the same time embraces analytics and using the resources at his disposal.
But Malcolm Bunche was gonna win a starting job!
Yeah; what happened with Bunche? We all read a bunch of stuff about how he was going to come in here and contribute, but now he’s cut.
He’s always been an underachiever. Been tracking him since he was at Miami since my college roommate was his high school teammate. This was always what was going to happen. Dude’s physically gifted, just isn’t a self starter or posses any piss and vinegar.
I’m filled with piss and vinegar! At first, I was just filled with vinegar.
-Grampa Simpson
Doesn’t take much to turn the fan base. LMFAO! This time last week it was ‘no doubt this team wins the NFC east title’. 1 pre-season game and now we’re hoping to win 5 games. Wow. Take it easy folks. Was, still is and will be a transition season.
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Judge the team on direction not individual stats. If you didn’t know the WR’s are below avg, you’re not paying attention. 1 preseason game and people are already all over Wentz. Can’t use a microscope on someone who’s not expected to be NFL ready for another year or 2.
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Shame on you LJ.
Wait, who thought we were winning the East?!
I think our division title will be won by Eagles or skins, while Giants and Cowboys sexy teams on paper right for 3rd and 4th place like last year.
There are four teams… one of them has to win.
Jenkins impressed with C.J. Smith, is he legit or another overhyped camper.
Is Turner moving up or is this just them getting more looks at him or both?
Are Vaeao and Hart in battle for 4th DT spot or would they keep 5? Both seem to be playing well in practices and games. Beau Allen has been somewhat of a terror, it seems like he has 3rd spot nailed down. We aren’t missing Ced too much.
5-6 backups standing out – CB C.J. Smith III, DE Steven Means, LB Joe Walker, DT Destiny Vaeao, WR Paul Turner, maybe CB Aaron Grymes…
http://www.pennlive.com/philadelphiaeagles/index.ssf/2016/08/philadelphia_eagles_undrafted.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
• Turner continues to get first team looks in the slot with Matthews not practicing.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/8/14/12476760/eagles-training-camp-practice-notes-caleb-sturgis-kicker-competition-cody-parkey
I’m not sure Turner is moving up as much as everyone else is moving down.
Think his fate will depend on whether we plan on keeping 5 or 6 Wrs… If we keep 6, think PT makes the team.. If we only keep 5 it will come down to PT vs Huff…
yea, thats my feelings on huff exactly. if the new coaching staff sees something they might be able to build on, fine. but i hope they give him a real short leash.
if they decide to move on for some other young guy who may be a scrub, thats OK too. at least then we can stop talking about huff’s ‘potential’ all the damn time.
Considering Riley Cooper is better than Agholor…
Shoot I don’t know if I’ve quite given up on Agholor but Na Brown might have been as good as Agholor.
G Lew might be our #1 on this team
Yuck
haha i was thinking about making a joke about this earlier – “hey guys, our WRs suck, but i hear Riley Cooper needs a job!”
I know Mike Martin has been hurt, but he was seen as a lock at DT early in camp. I think they keep Martin if its only 4DT. Vaeao to PS and bye bye Hart.
Remember when we had Desean, Maclin and Jason Avant. And a RB go by the name of Shady.
Other than that: F u Chip Kelly!
Tampa has talented flashy WR and a big name RB, still won’t keep them from being one of the worst teams
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Eagles fans make me laugh, the argument against drafting Zeke Elliot was the popular saying “You can just get a RB in round 5″…. Well we went out and got a RB in the 5th round, and now fans act like the sky is falling at RB? If ryan Mathews can give us 13 or 14 games our run game should be significantly better than last year. Might want to see what the 5th round RB can do playing with the 1s before concluding that we lack RB talent. Block well in the run game, and our RBs should be fine
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I really think our lack of weapons is grossly exaggerated. We don’t have the big star WR, but we are equipped to go back to the days of “pass catcher by committe” where we spread the ball around to like 8 different pass catchers. Throwing to SPROLES and the TE will probably be a major aspect of our passing attack, meaning our WR just need to be decent complimentary weapons, but that doesnt even account for the Bigtime season Jordan Mathews is poised to have..
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WR just isn’t a big deal as far as I’m concerned. Im way more worried about the OL… If the OL can perform as the best Line behind Dallas in our division, the offense should be fine
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SPROLES should easily have his biggest season as an Eagle in terms of the passing game. Drove me insane how poorly chip used SPROLES as a WR. The media and the Fans would always talk to chip in terms of SPROLES being more WR, than RB, but it seems like chip wanted to show how smart he was using SPROLES as a RB and often ignoring what a pass catching weapon he is.
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OL should be better than last year
WR should be better than last year
TE should be better than last year
QB should be better than last year
Our run game was pathetic last year since defenses knew exactly where we would be running, if we can get 13-14 games out of Ryan Mathews, our run game should be better than last year
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Our offense should be significantly less predictable than last year… none of this is enough to make us a legit contender, but I expect a team that will clearly show to be improved from last years team across the board.., that improvement isn’t enough to get us an 11 win season, but it baffles me why fans think we will be worse than last season, when we should be improved almòst across the board.
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Think this team finishes between 8 and 10 wins, but makes it crystal clear that we are Improving from last year almòst across the board
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think we are being too under rated compared to our Rivals that probably have worst roster holes than we do, while our Rivals are being over rated specifically Dallas and the Giants…. I expect the division to be decided between the skins and Eagles, not because I think we are some great team, but because I think fans are mistakenly grossly over rating Dallas and the Giants who have some HUGE flaws that can be exposed thru regular season game planning
Greg Lewis could probably make this team. . Thats how worried I be do
You’re being unfair. Kelly left us with freedom. After all, for Desean, the Eagles got nothing. For Maclin, nothing. For Avant, nothing. For Shady, nothing (a synonym for Kiko).
So, what’s your problem, mate? Like the song says, “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.
Jackson is completely different than Maclin. The Eagles by all reports made a very competitive offer to Maclin and really did want him back. He just got a better one from the Chiefs and signed there instead.
Avant was done when the Eagles let him go and they didn’t miss his pedestrian production the last 2 years.
I can’t let facts interfere with a good joke.
Normal nfl circumstances
.. chip shudda kept and been prepared
.he thought great eagles were replaceable and that lame thinking has crushed us
Anyone see any articles yet using the All 22 film to evaluate our WRs from the Bucs game?
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Mayock was talking about us not getting seperation, but it’s hard to really know to what extent based on the TV broadcast. Curious to see what our WR seperation looked like on the all 22 film.
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One thing that makes PS tricky to evaluate is that it’s hard to know which veterans are just going thru the motions. There are veterans with secured roster spots that go into preseason games with preservation as their main goal who are more focused on not getting hurt than playing to the best of their capabilities
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I think back to when we traded for Mufasa. He was TERRIBLE in his first preseason as an Eagle. Fans were all worried that Howie traded for a Lemon, then the regular season started and Mufasa was one of our bright spots during a Horrible season making it obvious to everyone that he was just going thru the motions in PS games we got all bent out of Shape about
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And Meco was a new first year Eagle who came with questions about whether he could come back from his achilles injury, and this vereran DIDNT give two shits about making a good impression during his first preseason games as an Eagles. Instead of showing the Eagles got a good player, instead of shooting he was back to his old self from the achilles surgery, he went thru the motions playing like crap with a focus on preserving himself for the season….
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So when we see a veteran like Rueban Randle stinking it up in a preseason game, can’t make too much of it since we just don’t know why he sucks, is he trying to play as hard as possible and is struggling? Or is he just going thru the motions focusing on getting to the regular season healthy?
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Preseason can be very misleading, can’t make too much out of it, especially after just one preseason game especially when it comes to veterans who have a secure roster spot like a Rueban Randle.. PS means so little that we barely even put SPROLES on the field.
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I care more about preseason games in terms of how our backups stack up against opponents 2nd and 3rd strings since we know those guys can’t afford to go thru the motions since they are fighting for roster spots…
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So I like seeing Jaylen Watkins continue to develope and look good on the field against other teams backups.
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I liked seeing Means and Joe Walker stand out against backups
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Wentz had a bad game, but his talent level jumped thru the screen especially since he was sorrounded by backups
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I won’t even try to evaluate a starting veteran WR when he is playing a preseason game with friggin Chase Daniel
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Preseason success and failures can be very misleading, and our team certainly isn’t firing on all cylnders at this stage of a season playing in new schemes, and we don’t know how hard our opponents are playing…. So Im trying to not łet what my eyes see in the preseason change my opinipns too much, especially about guys I have seen in real game action like Rueban Randle
I do not think there is All-22 in the preseason, is there? Only thing I saw is this article, basically a few tidbits on Agholor sucking…
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/8/15/12482744/eagles-film-room-observations-philadelphia-first-preseason-game-week-1-nfl
Yeah you might be right
mixed in with the notes on Agholor, the author mentioned that Huff got some good separation, but due to poor OL play, Daniel couldn’t get the ball to him.
i think its a little hard to see due to the overlay.
not much to go on haha
Don’t worry; Huff would have dropped the pass or fumbled it on the run.
right? kinda sad when the best thing that anyone has had to say about his preseason is “he looked to have pretty good burst on that one play where the QB didn’t even throw the ball to him”.
at least wentz doesn’t have to throw to him for a few weeks…?
Fran Duffy at the mothership is an absolute follow on Twitter as he posts All-22 updates as he completes his review. Nothing receiver specific this week but he does have every Wentz play broken down here…http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagle-Eye-All-22-Of-Wentzs-Performance/61df8afb-c026-49f8-9977-78ea4643d0f4
I get what you are saying, even Cox was taking it easy the last couple years in preseason games. I remember people freaking out that he wasn’t dominating like he should. Then the regular season came around and he was blowing up OL like he should. But its a little different with Randle. Yes, I think he will make the team but he is on a one year prove-it deal and has to know he won’t get many more chances. The knock on him in NY was that he didn’t seem interested, would run wrong routes and would take plays off. That is what we saw Thursday. He is that until he proves otherwise.
Sweating out this Brazil vs Nigeria basketball game, Croatia needs Brazil to win!
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/ce/The_Wire_-_S3EP11_PPK2.jpg/500px-The_Wire_-_S3EP11_PPK2.jpg
I kind of doubt we keep. 10 db. And i wish there was a way to keep Rice.
Chip demonstrated in Philly that he didn’t know how to manage the Kaep.
“So even though the shoulder surgery wasn’t on his right arm, Kaepernick’s whole throwing process was impacted by going under the knife. Kelly said on Friday that both Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert throw anywhere between 86 and 102 passes per day in training camp. A few months ago during OTAs in May, Kaepernick had barely resumed throwing short passes.”
http://www.knbr.com/2016/08/15/doctor-expresses-concern-about-kaepernicks-arm-fatigue/
I will find it especially gratifying to see James Harrison’s insubordinate and flippant hide nailed to a wall by Mr. Goodell for obstructing a league investigation. Harrison needs to realize who the F he is and supplicate himself immediately. That guy is in need of being knocked down several pegs. F him.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/765314756366303232
I’d be interested in hearing ACViking’s take on this as well as the looming Johnson suspension.
AC is an ace with the legal stuff, but the “Brady rules” just affirmed by the courts give Goodell complete and total latitude to impose any suspension he wants for conduct detrimental. That includes obstructing investigations.
I’m still irked that Peyton Manning was able to run out the clock and retire before he was compelled to give a full account of what the medical need was for HGH in his home.
That’s Goodell picking and choosing his battles. That was one player the NFL wasn’t going to go after.
He’d be doing so right now along with the other 4 if Manning didn’t retire. At least I hope he would.
His neck
Upvoted for truth and the fact that I had to Google “supplicate.” #themoreyouknow
Thank you. And James Harrison definitely needs to do so. Tom Brady found out what happens when you don’t
Saric is kicking ass in the first half of the Croatia/Lithuania game. 13 points already.