More on Bradford and Some Cutdown Talk

Posted: September 3rd, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 561 Comments »

In case you missed it…the Eagles traded Sam Bradford this morning. He goes to the Vikings for their 1st round pick in 2017 and a conditional pick in 2018. For now, that’s a 4th round pick, but it can get even better.

Eagles benefit no matter how Vikings turn out. If they struggle, Eagles get a better 1st round pick. If they play lights out, Eagles get better pick in 2018.

So this move puts Chase Daniel in as the starter and accelerates the Carson Wentz era. Right?

Kind of.

Check out this line from Dave Spadaro.

Wentz has done everything the Eagles wanted from the first day he was taken. Now, it seems, he is just a healthy CT scan away from, potentially, starting the opener on September 11 against Cleveland.

Whoa.

Robinson is a terrific writer, but I have no idea who he would be getting info from in regard to the Eagles. Still, he wouldn’t put something like that out there without having heard a good nugget from someone. Robinson isn’t a guy that just speculates for the heck of it.

Is Wentz ready to start?

I have my doubts, but one thing you cannot dispute is the electricity in The Linc when he took the field. His teammates picked up their level of play. The fans were excited. That’s not a feeling you get with any backup or rookie QB. That was a special moment.

Wentz has the physical ability to play right now. His big issue is lack of experience. The one way to deal with that is to play. Maybe Pederson rolls the dice and goes with Wentz in the opener. The bye comes in Week 4. Maybe the Eagles start Daniel initially and then turn to Wentz after the bye. One other thing to keep in mind is that now Wentz is the backup and can be active on gamedays. They can mix him into games even if he doesn’t start. Every snap will help him to learn and develop.

I would only go with Wentz right now if I felt he was ready to play. You can ruin a young QB by putting him on the field too fast. Wentz is mature. He has the temperament and mentality to play right away. You just have to make sure he’s able to deal with the ups and downs that come with playing QB in the NFL. That’s tough on everyone, let alone a rookie. The coaches know their jobs are tied to Wentz so they won’t rush him. They’ll make the smart decision.

What about a 3rd QB?

It is possible the Eagles go only with 2. They could put McLeod Bethel-Thompson or some other player on the practice squad. I think the team will see what’s available. There are a pair of teams to watch, the Jets and Chiefs.

KC – Alex Smith, Nick Foles, Tyler Bray, Kevin Hogan

NYJ – Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg

Doug Pederson coached Bray in KC and could have interest in him. The Eagles showed interest in Hogan in the pre-draft process. Think they liked him as a mid-round option.

Can the Jets keep all 4 QBs? They could try to trade Petty, but wouldn’t have any leverage. He might be worth a late pick. If they cut him, I’d be interested for sure.

One other player that interests me is Stephen Morris, the QB from the Colts. He was with the Eagles for part of last year on the PS. If the Colts keep just 2 QBs and let him go, I’d have interest in signing him. He also played pretty well against the Eagles in the third preseason game.

We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

*****

(I was working on the below material when the Bradford deal went down. That final line proved to be prophetic.)

We’re still waiting for the Eagles to announce their cuts. They’ll drop down to 53 players by 4pm today.

We do have a couple of nuggets already.

That last item isn’t definitive, but sure feels like something a guy would say after finding out he’s made the roster.

Rather than talk about who has made the team, let’s eliminate some guys who simply have no chance.

QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson

RB Cedric O’Neal
RB Byron Marshall

WR Marcus Johnson
WR David Watford
WR Cayleb Jones

TE Chris Pantale
TE M.J. McFarland

OL Barrett Jones

DL Jake Metz
DL Bruce Gaston
DL Azziz Shittu

LB Myke Tavarres
LB Quentin Gause
LB Don Cherry

S Blake Countess

CB JaCorey Shepherd

PK Cody Parkey

That means things are down to these bubble players.

WR Paul Turner

OL Dillon Gordon
OL H. Vaitai
OL Darrell Greene
OL Josh Andrews

DL Destiny Vaeao
DL Steven Means

S Ed Reynolds

CB Eric Rowe
CB C.J. Smith

Obviously the Eagles are going to be checking out the waiver wire very closely. The team could be looking for a CB, LB or WR. Heck, they could be open to change just about anywhere other than DL. That’s one area where the team seems to have a deep group that fits the scheme well.

One X-factor could be if Howie Roseman makes an unexpected trade or two.

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561 Comments on “More on Bradford and Some Cutdown Talk”

  1. 1 GermanEagle said at 12:24 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    +++BREAKING NEWS+++

    The NFL has just expanded the regular season roster from 53 to 60 players after Howie Roseman entered Roger Goodell’s office by threatening him: “If not now, Wentz?!”
    The NFL has just expanded the regular season roster from 53 to 60 players after Howie Roseman entered Roger Goodell’s office by threatening him: “If not now, Wentz?!”

  2. 2 Dave said at 12:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I wouldn’t doubt it.
    I wouldn’t doubt it.

  3. 3 aerochrome2 said at 12:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    From other thread:

    I know its not related, but we have a few spots to fill in our annual Igglesblitz fantasy league: https://yho.com/nfl?l=194099&ikey=bb2dcde7aaf055bb&soc_src=app-sh&soc_trk=lnk

    Click linj to join…

    Active players only, free league, always a good time!

    Draft Tuesday evening, try to make it live!

  4. 4 Julescat said at 12:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    if you can’t make draft does computer pick for you?

  5. 5 aerochrome2 said at 12:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah and you can preorder players and remove players from auto draft list

  6. 6 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:50 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Time on Tuesday?

  7. 7 A_T_G said at 1:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Looks like 7:30.

  8. 8 aerochrome2 said at 2:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    7:30 is right. One spot left!

  9. 9 A_T_G said at 1:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’m in.

  10. 10 Jernst said at 1:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’m in

  11. 11 aerochrome2 said at 2:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Just to update, one spot left

  12. 12 More on Bradford and Some Cutdown Talk - said at 12:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor In case you missed it…the Eagles traded Sam Bradford this morning. He goes to the Vikings for […]

  13. 13 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I am stoked. Got tickets to the Falcons game at the Linc on November 13th. Figured I’d be watching Bradford or Daniel if Sammy got dinged.

    Now? Well, I’m thinking my chances of seeing Wentz are better than 50-50.

    I could kiss Howie.

  14. 14 GermanEagle said at 12:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    And here’s me hoping that I will get to see Wentz live in action vs. the Browns when I will be at the game…

  15. 15 BC1968 said at 1:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    100% go with Wentz from the start!

  16. 16 philllyfanatic said at 1:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’ve seen more than a couple of credible reports that are suggesting Wentz is the week 1 starter if healthy.

  17. 17 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Imagine how season ticket holders feel

  18. 18 Gary Barnes said at 12:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’ll reiterate that I hope the Eagles do not throw Wentz to the wolves. That would be such a waste of all the hard work they have done this off-season. I doubt they will be that stupid as every other move they’ve made with Wentz has been to protect him until he’s ready.

    I’ll be rooting for Ed Reynolds to make the cut along with Means and Greene.

    Busy Labor Day weekend indeed…:)

  19. 19 GermanEagle said at 12:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I want Reynolds to make it as well. Dude is a baller!
    I also hope we will keep Rowe unless a team offers at least a 5th rounder for him..

  20. 20 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:14 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    i hear you… But looking at the opponents on our schedule, letting him get his feet wet against the Browns and Bears may be the best opportunity on our schedule

  21. 21 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:44 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Thanks CSN, ‘Amy. Fadools evaluation of the bradford trade is exactly what every Eagle fan was hoping for when they turned on CSN..smh
    .
    Right away the media changes the narrative to “the Eagles realized they couldn’t have their cake and eat it too with Bradford and Wentz”… Really? How ridiculous can you be? Are we already pretending this move is about anything other than HOWIE knowing he will NEVER have a chance to get this much value for SAM if he passes this up? The Vikings made an offer that we can’t refuse, simple as that…. No need to make things up…

  22. 22 BobSmith77 said at 12:44 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    You beautiful bastard. This is the kind of trade I was hoping to see and the Eagles pulled it when the opportunity arose and stick to their longer term vision. Kudos Howie.

  23. 23 BobSmith77 said at 12:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Starting Wentz Week 1 makes no sense and I really hope that isn’t Lurie imposing that decision on Rosemsn and Pederson because he doesn’t want to endure a potential 4-win season.

  24. 24 GermanEagle said at 12:50 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think with Wentz at the helm the Eagles record will be better than with Chase frigging Daniel…

  25. 25 Jarock said at 12:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    At the end of the season, I agree with you. To start, just a little worse.

  26. 26 Rellihcs said at 12:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Making that decision one way or another today is dumb anyway. First you have to focus on cuts and other potential trades, then practice squad, then actually practicing, meeting, game planning, and prepping for the first game of a new season. Only then do you assess how Wentz is healing, and where his prep/readiness is at v. prospects with Chase v. cle and cost/benefit of the pros/cons. The coaching staff should make the decision based on data nobody has now. Everyone else shouldn’t. Period.

  27. 27 Tumtum said at 12:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I will say this. The jerks in the national and local media who actually acted like the Eagles FO was clueless and had no plan with 3 QBs…makes me laugh even harder now.

    Stuff like tbis pushes me firther and further away from media.

  28. 28 Rellihcs said at 12:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    EXCELLENT point.

  29. 29 Media Mike said at 12:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Rueben Frank for one. That guy had Tom Gamble’s “piece” so far down his throat it was embarrassing.

  30. 30 Jernst said at 1:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It was mind blowing how little imagination people showed looking at our QB situation. Half the media and all the national media looked at our QBs just from the stand point of this year and money spent. But, I thought it was obvious from the very beginning, that Bradford was simply the piece that made moving up make so much sense. If you could recoup most of the cost of moving up for a top QB simply by paying a guy $11M to be a short term placeholder, why the hell wouldn’t you move up.

  31. 31 Media Mike said at 12:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sorry for being late to the party, but this is great. This might drop us to 5-11 in the short term,but the deal is 100% for the best. This is the most we were ever going to get for Bradford and Bradford was never going to be here long term.

  32. 32 Julescat said at 12:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    might drop us to 5-11?

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 1:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah. We were going to be 7-9 before the trade. Now we could slide to 5-11. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

  34. 34 FairOaks said at 1:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I thought Bradford was good enough to win plenty with a great defense. We could well have a really good one, so I thought division title and playoffs were a pretty good possibility. I don’t think we were SB contenders though, meaning we would have traded Bradford anyways and started over next year (with no #1 pick).

    This now turns into a developmental season, unless the defense is astounding and Wentz learns fast. I’m not all that hopeful with Lane Johnson out most of the season, and Wentz have just two years of D-1AA experience. And in that brief session in preseason, it looked like he was accustomed to taking hits from the smaller DLmen he faced in college and not protecting himself as much. He’s going to need to learn fast not to do that.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 1:10 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    What held me back from assuming this season would be a playoff season, although I’m 100% ready to see our D slap people around, is the poor state of the O-line. I’m fearful over
    – the health of Peters
    – the strongest muscle group of Kelce being around his mouth
    – Lane’s suspension
    – Barbre’s existance
    – learning curve for Seumalo as a rookie

    So I was looking at a good number of close game losses due to our line getting abused.

  36. 36 FairOaks said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yes, the OL was my biggest concern as well. That problem will only be magnified with Wentz though, in all likelihood, though he does have more escapability.

  37. 37 Jernst said at 1:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Haha…Barbre’s existence!

  38. 38 BobSmith77 said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    You really thought this was a 10 or even 11 win team?

  39. 39 FairOaks said at 1:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Given the NFC East, sure. It would have depended on how the OL played as well, which is a serious concern with the Lane Johnson situation, so that tempered my enthusiasm. Before then I thought we could get to 10 wins for sure.

  40. 40 P_P_K said at 1:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I did, too. I figured 9-7, going 5-1 in the Div. Not going any farther in the playoffs but it would have made the season interesting. We’ll never know.

  41. 41 bill said at 2:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I could easily see a three win season. Not the most likely scenario, but not that unlikely. Daniel is hot trash, and Wentz looked as raw as I expected him to be in his limited preseason snaps.

  42. 42 P_P_K said at 1:31 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It’s an amazing deal Howie got for Bradford. Ready or not, like the timing or not, it’s all-in with Wentz.

  43. 43 Media Mike said at 1:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    And it was never not all-in with Wentz due to the assets used to acquire him, but recouping some significant compensation for Bradford is amazing.

  44. 44 mksp said at 1:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The net draft capital we gave up for Wentz if you include the Bradford trade is so minimal given that he’s a potential (***potential***) franchise QB.

    Great job by Howie.

  45. 45 Media Mike said at 1:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    You have to include the Bradford trade. Amazing considering he was gone after this year anyway.

  46. 46 Jernst said at 1:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I was saying that from the very beginning that the plan to keep Bradford had as much to do with net compensation to move up for Wentz as it did to allow him to sit and learn. We paid to keep Bradford because he was an asset that could recoup the draft picks used to move up. All the writers and half the posters on these boards complained that our QB situation made no sense. But, when you look at the net of picks used to move up for Wentz now it all makes sense. We essentially gave up Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonso and a second round pick in 2017 to move up from the middle of the first round to the number 2 overall pick to draft a top QB.

  47. 47 Jernst said at 1:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Plus we absorb the entire cap hit this year which gives us an extra $5.5M or so next year to play with.

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 1:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    As D3 / German said; that’s Bennie’s money.

  49. 49 Jernst said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    exactly!

  50. 50 FairOaks said at 1:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think we save 1.5 million on this year’s cap, and 17 million on next year’s. Pretty sure that half of Bradford’s signing bonus (the 5.5 you mention) will be charged to next year’s cap since it’s after June 1.

  51. 51 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    With whatever trade ammo Howie has got left in his big guns, please let him go get us some OL help. If the franchise QB is going to be put out there, let’s make sure he’s got the best protection Lurie’s money can buy. We don’t want to David Carr him.

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 12:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Nobody is trading you any O-line help unless you can find a guy who is due for a new deal that a team is too cheap to pay.

  53. 53 Dragon_Eagle said at 12:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    After this morning, I will not question Howie’s ability to pull it off no matter the odds or the logic.

  54. 54 Media Mike said at 12:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If that guy exists, I’m sure we’d be in the mix. Those guys don’t exist every year.

  55. 55 xeynon said at 12:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    As someone who named his fantasy team after Aziz Shittu, I’ll be sad if he doesn’t make the roster, or at least the practice squad.

  56. 56 mksp said at 12:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    BOOM!

    https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/772115337470967808

  57. 57 Media Mike said at 12:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Exciting, but not what I’d do. I’m not sure how ready he is for NFL game speed.

    On the other hand, the Browns are the 2nd worst D we’ll face all year. The Giants still hold that distinction.

  58. 58 laeagle said at 1:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Just remember, he only needs to be ready for NFL Browns speed, at least for week 1. Not as daunting.

  59. 59 Media Mike said at 1:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Hopefully he’s on vacation for our game at Seattle.

  60. 60 GermanEagle said at 12:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Please dear Football God,
    have Wentz’ ribs fully healed !!!

  61. 61 Jarock said at 12:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Shocked, but happy 🙂

  62. 62 A_T_G said at 1:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    BOOM?

    Didn’t actually read the Tommy’s post, did you?

  63. 63 anon said at 12:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    interesting to make this trade after you take out the ferrari, hit a pothole and have to put it in the garage for a month.

  64. 64 Dave said at 12:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Why all the doom and gloom if Wentz starts week 1? The only time QBs seemed to be ruined starting early in their careers were when they had horrible offensive lines and no running game. Plus last time I check, Mariota had neither in Tennessee last year and he still seems OK.

    I would think Pederson and Reich being former NFL QBs would have more insight than most, including myself, on whether to start him early or not.

  65. 65 Media Mike said at 12:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’m fearful Wentz isn’t ready for a full speed NFL game just yet. Doubly so due to missing all of that time in the pre-season.

  66. 66 Jarock said at 12:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’s got the right mental makeup (or sure seems to). Will he take his lumps? Sure, but that was going to happen regardless. Sooner is better if he’s healthy.

  67. 67 Media Mike said at 1:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Possibly. Possibly not. I saw it work well with Reid / Pederson / McNabb in 1999 by not going the start right away route, so I’m partial to replicating that.

  68. 68 Jarock said at 1:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Really not sure McNabb would have turned out different if started from day one. Biggest difference is our line this year has the potential to be good to very good if people stay healthy. Much better than last season at the least. That will help Wentz develop and hopefully keep him healthier.

  69. 69 Media Mike said at 1:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’ll believe that with the line when I see it. Lane would need to beat the NFL, Peters would need to be healthy, Seumalo would need to be ahead of a typical rookie starter, and Kelce would need to not be himself.

    That’s a lot of “ifs.”

    But I don’t hate starting Wentz day 1, just not what I’d do.

  70. 70 Jarock said at 1:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Worried about the Lane situation. Peters is definitely on the decline, but still has a decent season or two left. Guard situation went from starting two guys who had no business starting to Brooks, Wiz, and Seo. That’s miles better than anything that was on the roster last season. Mostly not thrilled with starting Barbre.

  71. 71 Dave said at 12:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    How can he become ready for full speed NFL games sitting on the bench?

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 1:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’d sit and learn, play in spot relief duty, and start down the road. Same plan as McNabb in 99 going into 2000.

  73. 73 Dave said at 1:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    McNabb wasn’t a big learner early in his career. He scrambled so often that he was playing backyard football and making it up as he went along.

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 1:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    True enough, so how much worse would that have been if he’d have started on day 1?

  75. 75 Dave said at 1:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Not sure that is comparable here. Wentz seems much more at ease with the playbook than McNabb was after his first training camp.

  76. 76 Media Mike said at 1:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That’s certainly true. What’s killing me with Wentz is that we didn’t get a chance to see him in pre-season games as much as would have been ideal. By far.

  77. 77 Dave said at 1:10 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I agree 100%

  78. 78 Jarock said at 1:08 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I know it’s a small sample size, but I loved how he kept his eyes down the field even when the backups let pressure get to him immediately.

  79. 79 Rellihcs said at 1:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    By drinking the blood from a pure stud named Barner

  80. 80 Dave said at 1:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    lol

  81. 81 Media Mike said at 1:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If you want Barner to stud in your mouth, that’s your business.

  82. 82 laeagle said at 1:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    One would presume that Barner would not make it through the harvesting of his blood, so it actually sounds like something you should support.

  83. 83 Media Mike said at 1:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe if you put down a tarp first. I don’t need that stain around any longer.

  84. 84 FairOaks said at 1:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    We will see. Some QBs have been well served by spending a couple years on the bench (Romo, Rodgers, others). Tyrod Taylor looked good last year but I doubt he would have been as good as a rookie. Wentz has two years of D1-AA experience… not normally good preparation for the NFL. He does have size, but to me it looked like he was accustomed to absorbing the DL hits, which he might have gotten away with in college but will need to develop instincts to avoid in the NFL. He played just a little and ended up with a fractured rib — the odds seem long on him staying healthy all season while trying to learn. But, sometimes learning by fire is best. We will see.

    Mariota had a full three seasons as starter at a higher level though.

  85. 85 Dave said at 1:14 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Rodgers is an anomaly because he was a 1st round pick sitting behind a HOF QB. Romo was an anomaly because undrafted free agent who was a third stringer.

  86. 86 Tom33 said at 1:15 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    On top of that, the only thing Wentz can learn watching Daniel play is what not to do…

  87. 87 Jarock said at 1:15 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Ouch

  88. 88 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The only reason I think it may be a good idea to play him right away is because we are facing the crappy Browns and Bears to start the season

  89. 89 Greg Richards said at 1:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Eliot Shorr-Parks
    ‏@EliotShorrParks

    3m3 minutes ago

    The #Eagles have waived WR David Watford, but plan to bring him back to the practice squad if he clears waivers, per source.

  90. 90 Media Mike said at 1:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Odd guy to use for a practice squad spot. Was he showing that much potential?

  91. 91 Jarock said at 1:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Conversion project with upside. Former QB who’s learning the position. Great candidate for practice squad imho.

  92. 92 Media Mike said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I have a long list of “quarterbacks” who need to make that conversion sooner.

  93. 93 Rellihcs said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Barner, Barner, Barner, Barner…..

  94. 94 GermanEagle said at 1:18 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Webb, anyone?!

  95. 95 Media Mike said at 1:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He already did. I’m more with some current guys who don’t play the game the right way.

  96. 96 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If you watched the 4th preseason game, Mayock was saying the Iggles like him a lot and want to see what he looks like next year.

  97. 97 Media Mike said at 1:15 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I try to avoid Mayock other than draft talk.

  98. 98 Jarock said at 1:17 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’s so much better than most of the local hacks though.

  99. 99 Media Mike said at 1:18 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Better than Baldy; sure. Would I rather have Kempski, Tommy, Sheil, Bowen on there……..yes.

  100. 100 Jarock said at 1:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    With the exception of Bowen, I’d go for that. Bowen’s meh for me.

  101. 101 Media Mike said at 1:22 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’m a big Bowen fan. He’s well resourced and actually asks questions designed to get at information I’m entitled to know.

  102. 102 Jarock said at 1:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I read more than listen to guys live. Kempski, Tommy, and Sheil all consistently put out quality articles. I don’t have comcast sports anymore, so I don’t watch the after game stuff near as often.

  103. 103 Media Mike said at 1:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Les is actually at his best on Twitter. And VERY responsive to questions / comments.

  104. 104 Jarock said at 1:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    One of these centuries I’ll move to the 21st century and actually pay attention to Twitter 😛

  105. 105 A_T_G said at 1:17 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yep, I heard that. Honestly, though, Mayock’s put half the guys suited up for that game on our PS.

  106. 106 Dave said at 1:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    For anyone who says this is Dougie following Andy’s 1999 plan, it’s not even close. I can remember Andy saying over and over again that Donny was under a 5-year plan to learn the offense, even in year 3. Doug has never suggested Wentz would need years to master the offense, he seemed to infer just the opposite.

  107. 107 Greg Richards said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Seems similar in that “The rookie won’t start, he’ll sit and learn” talk was just spin to take initial pressure off.

  108. 108 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    No coach in their right mind today thinks he will have a 5 year leash… You are very fortunate to even see yeàr 3 if you aren’t winning games and improving from yeàr to year…times have changed

  109. 109 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I prefer redshirting wentz but that’s out the window now
    ..
    I,get not wanting to “throw the kid to the wolves” but a case can be made for taking advantage of facing the bad Browns and Bears to let him get his feet wet against the bad teams rather than make his first game a division game, or one of the better teams on our schedule.
    ..
    Facing the Browns and Bears in back to back weeks May be the best time to put him in live action. We would have a chance to win those games with Wentz and let him build some confidemce

  110. 110 P_P_K said at 1:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe if he is 100% healthy, he could take reps with the starting O and prepare for the Browns or Bears. Sure would make the games interesting. If he’s not 100% in body and mind, plan on the Lions game in week 5.

  111. 111 Rellihcs said at 1:10 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Haha, Daniel unhappy. Let’s trade his a**.

  112. 112 Media Mike said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Brutal. Who does Daniel think he is?

  113. 113 Rellihcs said at 1:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Valid question. I mean, was he actually assuming he was the heir apparent to Sam? He thought he was going to outshine Wentz in the long-run?

    I mean, he’s got the contract and the hot wife… what is he *itching bout?

  114. 114 FairOaks said at 1:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’s spent so much time on the sideline I’m sure he really just wants a chance to play, and this seemed like the obvious situation. I’m sure he’ll play due to injury at some point, even if Wentz does go in the opener.

  115. 115 anon said at 1:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    What’d Daniel say??

  116. 116 Rellihcs said at 1:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Don’t know – vague reports saying he’s unhappy….

  117. 117 Jernst said at 1:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That must mean that he was told Wentz is set to start. Otherwise he should be thrilled by this trade, no?

  118. 118 Rellihcs said at 1:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Hard to figure out.

  119. 119 A_T_G said at 1:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So, grand total of deChipping the roster…

    Howie turned Nick Foles, 10-15 spots in the first next year, some shuffled later picks, a second rounder, and a couple bad FA contracts into Carson Wentz and a second-fourth rounder?

    If we ignore the chronology of the picks, we might end up getting Wentz for Foles without getting any fewer draft picks than before all of this? Is that right?

    Edit: I think we might still be down a second rounder. Still Howie rocks.

  120. 120 Media Mike said at 1:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I still think we’d be short a 2nd rounder in the whole deal.

    Not bad.

  121. 121 A_T_G said at 1:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah, I edited after posting. I agree.

  122. 122 Jernst said at 1:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Under the best case scenario (ie we end up getting a first and second for Bradford) we will have had to give up Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonzo, Sam Bradford and a 2015 3rd Rounder for Wentz.

    Or if you want to go back to Foles, it’d be Maxwell, Alonzo, Foles, a 2015 2nd and 3rd rounder.

  123. 123 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:17 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Is Chase Daniel even better than Case Keenum?

  124. 124 Nick C said at 1:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Is Chase Daniel even better than the Case of Beer in his gut? Fixed it for you.

  125. 125 SteveH said at 1:18 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie haters are having a tough time today.

  126. 126 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Nothing will change, he will continue to be rated at the bottom of the media GM rankings. He will never get any credit unless Wenfz becomes at least as good as McNabb, hopefully better… It would look even better if Goeff ends up busting

  127. 127 Jarock said at 1:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sure looks like Goff’s not heading the right direction already.

    Howie will never get the credit he deserves short of Philly pulling a SB out of their a$$ this season.

  128. 128 Bob Brewer said at 1:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I like the fact that he’s willing to adapt. Just because he made a past decision doesn’t necessarily mean that impacts the next one.

  129. 129 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Even before this I think Howie has been better than he gets credit for
    ..
    As for this trade, think it’s pretty simple. The vikings made an offer that we can’t refuse for our lame duck QB…. Be very hard to justify passing up a 1st round pick and a 4th that can become as high as a second rpunder. If we passed up this opportunity, we would be lucky to get half of that value for SAM in the future..
    ..
    So while as a fan, I’d so much rather watch Bradford play all year and redshirt Wentz, I have to understand why they felt they couldn’t pass this up
    ..
    I assume fans would feel much different had we just traded SAM a week before the regular season for a 4th round pick… That would infuriated me

  130. 130 Jarock said at 1:34 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie’s drafting has been meh. What he does extremely well is wheel and deal. He’s also really good at knowing where the league values guys. He needs help with player evaluation and that’s where I think Joe Douglas could really improve this front office.

  131. 131 Media Mike said at 1:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    “He’s also really good at knowing where the league values guys.”

    VITAL skill. Chip was terrible at this. Imagine having both TJ Clemmings AND Jordan Hicks right now.

  132. 132 Dave said at 1:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Or getting any return on getting rid of DeSean or better compensation for McCoy.

  133. 133 Media Mike said at 1:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    true x 2

  134. 134 P_P_K said at 1:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It would be interesting to know what the Vikings initially offered and how much Howie haggled.

  135. 135 Cafone said at 1:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t know if Wentz is ready, but I’ve seen enough to know that Daniel is garbage.

  136. 136 mksp said at 1:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Best part of this trade is our QB will no longer have the dumbest looking jersey in the league

  137. 137 SteveH said at 1:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Like a kid in a shirt 3 sizes too big for him.

  138. 138 Media Mike said at 1:30 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    2nd dumbest.
    Look at this dimwit. Any jersey he’s in is automatically dumb.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nvD5k1XdmWc/VAxvlLTSL8I/AAAAAAAABm4/D6Lyvm3Qf2E/s1600/wnjdo_manning_761975.png

  139. 139 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wait, I think McLane is now saying that he was only speculating about Wentz starting game 1. And that the report didn’t come from the Eagles.. Hope THATS not true.
    ..
    The Browns defense is a joke, there won’t be a better team to start Wentz career against..,. Heck we may even be able to beat the Browns with Wentz playing which would be great to get the kid some confidences as well as the team believing they may actually still be able to win games even with the kid at QB..
    ..
    We won’t find an easier two game stretch than Browns and Bears to let Wentz ease his way in.. But if he is not prepared, that probably won’t matter

  140. 140 shah8 said at 1:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I had been pretty morose about my football year when Teddy went down. I guess this makes things better. Vikings have an offense again (Shaun Hill really needs to be retired), and I get to see Wentz.

    I seriously doubt Sam Bradford will be all that great in MN. Sam is unlikely to be able to handle the pass rush. So if the Vikings’ line is like it was last year…I figure he’ll be injured again at some point.

    Wonder if Wentz can stay healthy.

  141. 141 shah8 said at 1:30 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Of course, and I’m being entirely serious and rational about it…I honestly would prefer Webb back rather than Bradford. Cheaper, and we punt the season, get the high draft pick, and it’ll be more fun to watch the wreckage.

  142. 142 Media Mike said at 1:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I heard a Panther fan on the radio the other day talking about not wanting to part with Webb.

  143. 143 shah8 said at 1:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Webb is the serious long-term back up if Cam got Teddied.

    Derek Anderson would be a nightmare if you had to depend on him for multiple games.

  144. 144 shah8 said at 1:34 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    There are just…WAY too many teacher’s pets at backup QB in the NFL.

  145. 145 P_P_K said at 1:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Best job in pro sports, millions to hold a clipboard.

  146. 146 Jarock said at 1:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’ll take relief pitcher since they pay even better and you never have to worry about needing to get smacked around.

  147. 147 shah8 said at 1:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    the pitcher has to work. which is good if you like the hand in the till. Bad if you’re a teacher’s pet, because everyone can see regularly that you don’t belong.

  148. 148 P_P_K said at 1:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Closer is the most clutch job in pro sports.

  149. 149 Jarock said at 1:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Relief pitcher . . . not closer. How many times have you seen a guy with a career era close to 5 getting paid 4 – 5 mil a season?

    Backup QB job is extremely cushy, til the starter gets hurt. Then it turns into hell.

  150. 150 Media Mike said at 1:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I know jackoff Ruben Amaro didn’t want to pay one extra one in 2009 when Lidge was shot; thus costing the Phillies a rightful repeat as champs.

    Well that and being cheap at 3B.

  151. 151 P_P_K said at 1:50 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Beating the Yankess in the WS would have been the ultimate.

  152. 152 Media Mike said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Exactly. But GOD FORBID we spend a penny over the lux tax line to lock in a dynasty.

  153. 153 FairOaks said at 2:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah. Not keeping Lee after the Halladay trade was criminal. But the salary things were dictated to Amaro by the higher-ups.

    A big mistake was made years earlier by trading away Polanco and keeping David Bell. Polanco would have solved the 3B issues much earlier for similar money. I think we would made the playoffs years earlier and may have won more than 1 WS.

  154. 154 Media Mike said at 2:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Correct. That team should have won 4 straight. Constant penny pinching with the lineup was dictated by ownership, but brazenly defended by Amaro. So F him and F the owners.

  155. 155 Jarock said at 1:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    What I remember most that year was ARod knocking the cover off the ball the entire post season.

    Shame we lost to the damn Yankees. Still have fond memories of that era though.

  156. 156 Media Mike said at 1:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Disgusting considering A Rod was, and is, known as a post season choke artist………….except in 2009.

  157. 157 P_P_K said at 2:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Philly luck.

  158. 158 P_P_K said at 2:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The Phils were such a great collection of athletes with personality.

  159. 159 shah8 said at 1:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The teacher’s pet aren’t guys like fitzgerald or Mccown…those era 5 guys. We’re talking ERA 10 guys.

  160. 160 P_P_K said at 1:49 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    True on both counts.

  161. 161 SteveH said at 1:30 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Another thing to consider is Sam has almost no time before the start of the season to start building a rapport with his new teammates, that could hurt him out of the gate.

  162. 162 SteveH said at 1:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’m tempted to put on 94.1 or 97.5 to hear what the hosts spins are…

  163. 163 Rellihcs said at 1:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Generally positive, mostly just surprised. Generally debunking the negative fans who are calling in saying that we are tanking now and will be significantly worse.

    They are just mostly surprised/shocked.

  164. 164 Greg Richards said at 1:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Resist the urge.

  165. 165 Insomniac said at 1:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It wasn’t that bad around 10AM (97.5) when the news broke about the Bradford trade. Seems like the consensus is that the trade is great and you have to be an idiot to hate it.

  166. 166 Media Mike said at 1:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If you want to invest some money in a football gift to yourself; get a subscription to Sirius. The NFL station there, when Bob Papa isn’t on, is great.

  167. 167 Greg Richards said at 1:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Running tally of players released:

    QB Sam Bradford(traded)
    QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson
    RB Byron Marshall
    WR David Watford
    DE Jake Metz
    LB Myke Tavarres
    LB Quentin Gause
    S Blake Countess

  168. 168 Jarock said at 1:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I want Gause on the practice squad. Showed the most upside and consistency of the backup linebackers and gawd knows we need LB depth.

  169. 169 Media Mike said at 1:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    True. He’s just a tad stupid on the football IQ level now. A year on the squad would improve that greatly.

  170. 170 Media Mike said at 1:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Time to remedy the mistake of taking Countess in the 6th round over Travis Feeney. Feeney was released by the Steelers because he really doesn’t fit 3-4 OLB………………..but he’d be a great backup SAM here as he ads weight and dominates on special teams.

    I expect Howie to get it done.

  171. 171 SteveH said at 1:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    No surprises there, Countess didn’t show up in any way really.

  172. 172 Media Mike said at 1:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Given how bad of a reach he was; I’m not shocked.

  173. 173 A_T_G said at 1:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think we need to take a moment to marcel at the steely nerve of Howie.

    Back when Bradford was causing a ruckus and wanted to go to Denver, Howie held his cards and bluffed everyone. He made everyone believe Sam was not on the market. Little did we know he simply wasn’t biting on Denver’s offer, despite facing an insubordinate QB.

    He calmed Bradford, assured everyone he was unavailable at any price, and looked willing to go into the season with a fortune tied up on QBs.

    Then, at the very last moment, he gets a better price than anyone hoped because no one still believed he was selling.

    Don’t invite Howie to poker night.

  174. 174 SteveH said at 1:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie has been absolutely destroying it since he came back into power. At this point, I can’t understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with Howie as the guy to be in charge.

  175. 175 Jarock said at 1:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    There will always be haters.

  176. 176 Julescat said at 1:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    reality – Chase has thrown 75 more NFL passes than Carson Wentz

  177. 177 P_P_K said at 1:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wow. But not a good “wow.”

  178. 178 Insomniac said at 1:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    But he can’t know anything, Howie isn’t a football guy!!

  179. 179 Gary Barnes said at 3:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The team has not played a game yet. We need to see how Roseman’s moves pan out to fully judge. That is not unreasonable or hating. That is reality.

    He has changed the HC, most of the coaching staff, completed a FA period, made multiple trades, completed a draft and altered many parts of the roster.

    Most of the signs are positive so far, but again the goal is to win playoff games and a SB ultimately. If Roseman wins consistently and captures the SB, he will go down as the best GM in Eagles history. That is the standard of most Eagle fan’s expectations IMO. If he fails, he’ll be like every other one with some portion of the fan base supporting him and some glad he is gone.

    We’ll know a lot more at the end of this season; Wentz and Pederson are the two biggest cogs of the Roseman wheel. If they pan out, we should be in good shape.

  180. 180 ChoTime said at 2:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It always helps when a contending team loses their starting QB right before the season starts. Howie did good, but this isn’t wizardry IMO.

    BTW, don’t get me wrong, I like it 🙂

  181. 181 Greg Richards said at 1:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Adam Schefter
    ‏@AdamSchefter

    39s39 seconds ago

    Browns trading former first-round CB Justin Gilbert to the Pittsburgh Steelers, per league source. Rare in-division trade.

    I was wondering if a Gilbert trade was possibility. I was theorizing a Gilbert for Rowe swap.

  182. 182 Media Mike said at 1:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Gilbert has no heart. Steelers fans will hate him.

  183. 183 Greg Richards said at 1:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    When you get drafted by Cleveland, they rip out your heart at the same time as they give you a jersey.

  184. 184 P_P_K said at 1:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The players or the fans?

  185. 185 Insomniac said at 1:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The state of Ohio itself.

  186. 186 Greg Richards said at 1:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The players. I’m assuming that the team gives you back your heart when you return your playbook. But that doesn’t explain Trent Richardson.

  187. 187 Jarock said at 1:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    In a day and age where almost no RB’s go in the 1st round, they took a guy who’s production in college was at least 60 if not 70% OL dominance. smh @ Cleveland’s FO.

  188. 188 laeagle said at 1:50 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It works exactly like how they do it in the Temple of Doom.

  189. 189 Media Mike said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Temple needs to be put in the Temple of Doom and burnt to death in a lava pit; WTF was that choke vs. Army last night?

  190. 190 A_T_G said at 1:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe they are going to trade for Hart next?

  191. 191 Insomniac said at 1:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Oh god no. Can’t really cover or tackle.

  192. 192 GermanEagle said at 1:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    LOL!
    Someone just took Ryan Matthews in the first round of our FF draft!

  193. 193 Media Mike said at 1:44 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Good grief. Mathews makes Cranberry juice Kendricks look like an iron man.

  194. 194 myartz04 said at 1:51 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Have any extra spots in that leauge…? Seems winable

  195. 195 Jarock said at 1:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think I could be competitive and I’ve never played fantasy. Not once.

  196. 196 Jernst said at 1:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Well that’s excessive

  197. 197 Fufina said at 2:15 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Is an overdraft for sure – but he is a target for me, especially if Wentz is the starting QB. Think we will run the ball effectively and he is a productive RB when healthy with not much else as a reliable first 2 down back.

    Draft Matthews and then work hard to find 1-2 upside RB’s for the 2nd half of the season for when he is getting injured.

  198. 198 Jernst said at 2:24 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Double edged sword on Mathews. I drafted him at the end of the 5th round of one of my 10-person leagues which I thought was an absolute steal and at first I thought the Bradford trade was great news for him as a fantasy RB, but now I’m not so sure.

    1) he’ll now get more usage which is good, but more usage for him almost always means more injuries

    2) more running and a rookie QB/Daniel means the offense will most likely take a step back and score less. Less red zone opportunities means less TDs for Mathews.

    Either way Mathews should be a target for everyone in fantasy drafts. He’s way undervalued going in the 5th or even 6th rounds in a lot of drafts. For a guy who’s a clear cut starter with little competition on the roster that’s a bargain anyway you look at it.

  199. 199 Fufina said at 2:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    My plan is to take him in the 4th if available in my draft next week. The injury risk i am not that concerned about – you can find RB production late season by being active on the waiver wire and finding one of the 2-3 break out RB’s due to injury you get every year. Matthews can help you win games early while that process works itself out and is a quality pick up if you go WR heavy early.

  200. 200 Media Mike said at 1:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So what other shoes are dropping today?
    I’m hoping for…………………………..
    – trading of Kendricks
    – signing of Travis Feeney
    – extra roster spot to keep Rowe here

  201. 201 GermanEagle said at 1:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    A Trade of Kendricks won’t happen mainly due to $6m of dead money..

  202. 202 Media Mike said at 1:48 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It is only a net loss of $1.8 million. And frees up $6.6 next year.

  203. 203 Jarock said at 1:48 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Almost certainly stuck w/Kendricks. Still hoping he pulls his head out of his ass, but not counting on it.

  204. 204 Media Mike said at 1:49 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’s more likely to pull another muscle and milk it for double (or more) of the needed time off.

  205. 205 Jarock said at 1:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I almost prefer that then when he goes out and obviously can’t run the way he can when healthy. Healthy, he’s a decent, not great, cover LB. Injured, even mildly knicked, he’s a disaster. All athleticism no technique.

  206. 206 Media Mike said at 1:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Pop in the San Diego game from 2013; he can’t cover at all.

  207. 207 Jarock said at 1:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    HOF TE, but yeah. He was brutal that game.

  208. 208 Media Mike said at 1:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Didn’t have HOF stat lines in that season however. Kendricks is the kind of guy who makes everybody he covers have a career day.

  209. 209 A_T_G said at 1:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Guess this is going to shoot a hole in our 53-man predictions…

  210. 210 Cafone said at 2:31 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    You guys should have had more faith in the power of MBT

  211. 211 Insomniac said at 1:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Any other Chip Kelly mistakes that Howie hasn’t cleaned up yet?

  212. 212 P_P_K said at 1:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Is the smoothie machine still on site?

  213. 213 Media Mike said at 1:48 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Training camp being hidden in plain sight at Nova Care instead of on a college campus where it belongs.

  214. 214 Insomniac said at 1:49 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I expected you to say Barner but that’s true too.

  215. 215 Media Mike said at 1:51 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    True, but the Barner thing will be cleaned up by time. Who knows when they’ll right the training camp wrong.

  216. 216 Dragon_Eagle said at 1:50 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Just need to DJax, Maclin, Mathis, and McCoy back and we’re good to go.

  217. 217 Media Mike said at 1:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’d disagree on Maclin. He’s not worth what KC paid him.

    $11 AAV over 5 years is a bad overpay for 87-1088-8

  218. 218 FairOaks said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Salary cap is going up. It would have hamstrung the Eagles a bit capwise, but keeping him may have changed so much other stuff. We wouldn’t have drafted Agholor, for example.

  219. 219 Media Mike said at 1:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I would have much rather have keep that $ with DeSean.

  220. 220 FairOaks said at 2:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Well, that was a year earlier. Chip at least wanted to keep Maclin, unlike DeSean. I’m still not sold on DeSean in the playoffs vs good secondaries, but he opens up so much stuff for everyone else.

  221. 221 Media Mike said at 2:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’d call the quarterbacking into question for those playoff performances. If you looked at the “highlights” of Keean “blanketing” DeSean in the Saints game; DeSean could have been thrown open if Foles would have pulled the trigger.

  222. 222 FairOaks said at 2:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah, one game doesn’t really say for sure. But to my memory, DeSean piled up most of his stats vs the poorer secondaries in the regular season. Really fun to watch though, and I do miss that.

  223. 223 Media Mike said at 2:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If you let a guys like Matthews, DGB, and Etrz all work underneath DeSean right now, you’d be WAY better off.

  224. 224 FairOaks said at 2:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yep. But you need other good WRs, which makes it hard to pay DeSean like a true #1.

  225. 225 Media Mike said at 2:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    True, but Matthews and DGB aren’t making squat right now.

  226. 226 Jernst said at 2:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Under his old Eagles contract DeSean would have been making $8M this year. That’s on the low end of WR1 money.

  227. 227 Media Mike said at 2:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Under his perpetual attitude I bet we would have seen some complaining! And I’m the biggest DeSean fan here.

  228. 228 Jernst said at 2:34 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That’s actually a virtual certainty. DeSean was already clamoring for more guaranteed money after the Saints playoff loss his last year here. But, he did sign a contract that season with $16M guaranteed and only average annual salaries of $6M. His cap hits in Washington have been $4.25M, $9.25M, and $9.25M. Still not unreasonable. With a $5M signing bonus and only $16M guaranteed there’s a lot of ways you could have structured that. But, with the way the cap works now-a-days where any unused cap is automatically rolled forward it doesn’t really matter whether you spend the money now or later. Either way it seems like you could have made Jackson happy with a contract that had average cap hits of $6-7M a year. That’s really not too unreasonable.

  229. 229 Jarock said at 2:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    OMG yes. He’d have whined his way off the team by now regardless.

  230. 230 Jernst said at 2:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He played well his rookie year against Peterson and the Cardinals. That year he had 11 catches for 2017 yards and 1 TD in the playoffs. 2009 was McNabbs last game against Dallas when the entire offense got completely shut down. He had 3 catches for 14 yards in that game, 2010 he only had 2 catches for 49 yards against GB. And 2013, he had 3 catches for 59 yards against the Saints.

    Pretty small sample size. He hasn’t had a big playoff game since 2008, but that was also the last time he had decent QB play. I’d still rather have him out there than Cooper, Austin, Agholar.

  231. 231 Jernst said at 2:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yea Chip wanted to keep Maclin but not enough to return the dudes calls during FA or make him feel wanted at all. Maclin’s agent came right out after he signed in KC and said Jeremy wanted to stay in Philly and would have accepted less to stay, but when they tried to call Chip like 7 times and he never returned their phone calls, Maclin was like screw this, they seem to really want me in KC and I want to go somewhere where I’m valued.

  232. 232 FairOaks said at 2:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Right, that was the period the Chiefs were not allowed to call Maclin but did anyways (and lost a draft pick because of it). That may have more been Chip’s inexperience (presuming others would follow the rules) and thinking he had another day to talk with Maclin.

  233. 233 Dragon_Eagle said at 2:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie can get him for $2.99 plus tax.

  234. 234 Jarock said at 2:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Today? Probably. If you told me Howie had made a fortune selling ice to eskimos I wouldn’t be shocked today.

  235. 235 Greg Richards said at 1:51 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yes, unless he rents a van and kidnaps Jeremy Maclin.

  236. 236 Media Mike said at 1:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think you meant to say DeSean

  237. 237 Duracell said at 2:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’d much rather have Maclin back than DeSean.

  238. 238 Media Mike said at 2:14 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’ll remain opposite of that.

  239. 239 Jarock said at 2:18 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sorry, MM. I’m with Duracell. Maclin’s not the big play threat that Desean is, but he’s a much more complete receiver.

  240. 240 Media Mike said at 2:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    And the much easier skill set to replace. Jackson is the much rarer talent.

  241. 241 Jarock said at 2:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Because Agholor was supposed to be a better version of Maclin, right??

  242. 242 Media Mike said at 2:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That’s not my fault. Although if you’d taken John Brown over Huff………………….we’d be alright without DeSean.

  243. 243 tomw said at 1:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Young receivers, young QB. That is how you build it.

  244. 244 HawaiianEagle said at 1:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Truly a new era… Heath Evans picking EAGLES to win the div.

  245. 245 Jarock said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    !@#$ me . . . the sky is falling. Now I know we’re gonna suck 😛

  246. 246 Corry said at 1:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    How many of 7 seals are left then?

  247. 247 HawaiianEagle said at 1:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    6… one just opened in Minnesota…

  248. 248 Greg Richards said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The Jets are cutting former 1st round pick Dee Millner. Tried to trade him.

  249. 249 Media Mike said at 1:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Bama DBs have a tough time covering in the NFL.

  250. 250 FairOaks said at 2:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Do remember that many folks thought he wasn’t all that great, but was the best of a bad CB class so was probably going to be overdrafted.

  251. 251 A_T_G said at 2:10 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Was he in the class with Lane?

  252. 252 FairOaks said at 2:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yes, 9th overall. Next CB was Desmond Trufant at #22, and Xavier Rhodes at #25.

  253. 253 Jarock said at 2:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah. Wasn’t a great year for top of the draft prospects period that year.

  254. 254 A_T_G said at 2:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yep, that is where I was going with that question. What a shitty year to earn a top-5 pick.

  255. 255 GermanEagle said at 1:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Which also means we won’t get more than a cond. 7th rounder in 2021 for Eric Rowe…

  256. 256 Jarock said at 2:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’s not one of the 53 best, but if we want any return on investment, we’re going to have to keep him on the squad.

  257. 257 Greg Richards said at 2:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I’m thinking best they can do might be player-for-player swap.

  258. 258 Duracell said at 2:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t get why everyone is so down on how Rowe played. He has things to clean up if he ever wants to start again, but he rarely gets beat cleanly. His issues have much more to do with playing the ball. I think the Eagles would be nuts to get rid of him.

  259. 259 Jarock said at 2:16 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He doesn’t make plays on the ball in front of him. He wasn’t beaten deep much last year, but against the Jets, he was really poor on the deep ball. Turned the wrong way on one. Panicked and was called for interference on another. Could have been called for interference on a 3rd.

    This was against the Jets scrubs, not starters. Rowe still has talent, but he really played poorly against the Jets. Worse, he seems to think he played well. I know corners need short memories, but that’s straight out delusional.

  260. 260 Duracell said at 2:24 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sure, I don’t disagree with those criticisms. We’re talking about the 5th CB here, though. I’d rather go with the guy with #1 upside who actually actually performed well in NFL games, albeit in a limited sample. I think people tend to overreact to preseason games, but I’m nowhere near ready to give up on the guy.

    That all said, I’d like to keep both of them.

  261. 261 Jernst said at 2:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    plus he already demonstrated last year that he can play with proper technique and play the ball well. He seemed to regress in that area this year, but it’s not like he’s proven incapable of doing it the right way. Actually, quite the opposite.

  262. 262 Jarock said at 2:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It’s the same argument as people have with the Turner question. Do you reward the less talented but demonstrably better player in preseason or do you keep the more talented but less consistent player?

    Most of the board is all over “we must keep Turner.” Yet I’ve heard quite a few of the same people want to keep Rowe.

    On merit, based on how he’s played most recently, Rowe doesn’t belong on the team. I still think he might make it, mainly because I don’t think Howie will want to give up on a 2nd rounder one year after he was drafted, even if he wasn’t his pick.

  263. 263 Jernst said at 2:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    There’s a big difference there. We don’t have a much more talented WR that we’re planning on cutting to make room for PT. We’re either going with just 4 WR or we’re going to end up cutting someone like Pantale or Josh Andrews to make room for PT.

    Plus it’s not like CJ has played so exceptionally well that I feel compelled to keep him. Hell, if Grymes didn’t get injured he’d have beat out CJ by a mile.

    In addition to all of that, CB has two set starters in McKelvin and Carroll, plus two other guys set to get playing time in nickel and dime sets in Mills and Brooks. So 5th CB is unlikely to make much of a difference. WR is completely different. You have Matthews who plays the slot set in stone. After that both outside WR spots are completely open. You’ve got DGB who is new to the team, Agholar who can’t catch a cold right now and Huff who, well…who knows what he is, fighting for two spots. There’s actually a reasonable opening for a guy who gets open on third downs, catches everything thrown his way and moves the chains to make an impact this year.

    And, my own personal bias is that WR is a position where it’s much easier to succeed without elite speed/size than CB. Surely elite measureables help immensely at either position, but I see a lot more Wayne Chrebets and Hines Wards and Danny Amendolas make impacts than I see shorter slower CBs.

  264. 264 Jarock said at 2:48 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Agreed on most of that, except they released both Givens and Randall who were both markedly more talented than Turner. Randall’s even got decent career numbers to back that up.

    Both Smith and Grymes outplayed Rowe this preseason. Injury derailed Grymes and I’m not convinced Smith’s is far less talented than Rowe. Rowe’s got more upside, no doubt, but the poor technique and inability to adjust to a more aggressive system is really disturbing.

  265. 265 Jernst said at 2:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Good points on Givens and Randall. Well, Randall for sure, Givens just hasn’t done anything in about 4 years. Randall I was kind of shocked they cut, but his attitude and lack of effort must have been really bad.

    And, you’re right, I am talking about Smith like his a 5’8″ guy who ran a 4.7. He’s certainly not physically handicapped at the position.

    Preference-wise though for me, I’d like to see us keep Rowe. I think with 5th CB I’d prefer to go with the guy who has the highest upside and who played pretty damn well in real NFL games against good competition last year over the undrafted rookie FA who I see as imminently replaceable. Now if someone wants to trade us something of value for Rowe I’m all for it. The drop off to CJ isn’t much at all at the moment so if we can turn one of them into draft picks go for it.

    At WR though I think 4 WR is not enough, we should carry 5. And, I see PT adding actual value to the offense this year, as opposed to either Rowe or CJ who I see as developmental prospects with little shot at playing time baring serious injuries to more than one player in front of them.

  266. 266 Jarock said at 2:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Agreed on all of that except Turner making an impact. I just don’t think he’s fast enough to get open against starting quality corners. He’s a liability on ST.

    Admittedly, I could be completely wrong on Turner. Wayne Chrebet is the prototype for guys who aren’t big enough or fast enough yet somehow made an impact. I’m actually rooting for Turner to prove me wrong. I just don’t expect it.

  267. 267 Jarock said at 2:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Probably means we keep Rowe instead of CJ Smith despite Smith outplaying him. Unless Howie’s willing to choke on cutting a 2nd rounder the year after he was drafted.

  268. 268 Media Mike said at 2:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    And Jace Amaro as well.

  269. 269 daveH said at 2:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    And also Jason Mraz getting cut

  270. 270 Dave said at 2:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Evidently, he wasn’t “the Remedy” to the situation.

  271. 271 RC5000 said at 2:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Temple’s Matt Ioannidis (5th rd pick) cut by Redskins.

  272. 272 Media Mike said at 2:08 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wow, that’s brutal.

  273. 273 Jernst said at 2:10 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie turned Nick Foles and a 2nd into a 1st and a 4th that could become a 2nd. When does he get fitted for his wizard hat?

  274. 274 Media Mike said at 2:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Gandalf style or David Duke style?

  275. 275 Jernst said at 2:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    wow definitely gandalf style…

  276. 276 Julescat said at 3:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    team has a losing record in that time

  277. 277 Jernst said at 3:41 PM on September 4th, 2016:

    First off that has nothing to do with anything. Aside from winning record having nothing at all to do with how masterfully Howie has worked a succession of trades, the “in that time” that you’re referring to is a single season where they went 7-9 at the hands of Chips buffoonery,, cleaned house and just now completed the succession of trades that I was talking about that could put us in a position to be very successful. So since completing those moves the Eagles are 0-0.

    I guess Right before the 2000 season you would have said that Andy Reid was a loser and drafting Donovan McNabb was a terrible decision because ever since then the Eagles had a losing record.

  278. 278 Greg Richards said at 2:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Greg Richards

    an hour ago

    Running tally of players released(10 off team – 12 more coming):

    QB Sam Bradford(traded)
    QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson
    RB Byron Marshall
    WR David Watford
    WR Marcus Johnson
    DE Jake Metz
    DT Aziz Shittu
    LB Myke Tavarres
    LB Quentin Gause
    S Blake Countess

    Update: Marcus Johnson added. PS spots reportedly offered to Marshall, Watford, and Johnson if they aren’t claimed.

  279. 279 RC5000 said at 2:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    OT but Houston beating 3rd ranked Oklahoma 19-17 in 3rd. Oklahoma burned two timeouts already after sending FG unit out on 4th and 18 from Houston’s 35-36. Turning out to be huge game. Missed it short. Returned for TD ! 26-17 if they make XP. Under review but will stand.

  280. 280 Jarock said at 2:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    LMAO . . . Houston just might upset Oklahoma. Doing it on a returned missed FG attempt is just salt in the wound.

  281. 281 Dragon_Eagle said at 2:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I love watching the “big” football programs go down.

  282. 282 Media Mike said at 2:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I agree, but I’m not going to enjoy continued unjustified fluffing of Ward as a result.

  283. 283 Dragon_Eagle said at 2:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Enjoy. AR will draft him.

  284. 284 Nick C said at 2:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Shittu released

  285. 285 A_T_G said at 2:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Hope our front office isn’t being too lax about dumping Shittu.

  286. 286 Nick C said at 2:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    was waiting on a pun

  287. 287 A_T_G said at 2:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Thanks for putting that one on the tee.

  288. 288 Nick C said at 2:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Glad it wentz well for ya.

    no… I tried

  289. 289 Julescat said at 3:17 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Shittu flushed?

  290. 290 A_T_G said at 2:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So Dee Millner cut and Justin Gilbert traded for a 2018 6th rounder. Howie might not get more than two 3rds for Rowe.

    In all honesty, I don’t see how Rowe gets us anything.

  291. 291 Media Mike said at 2:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So let’s just keep him and see if he develops. We’re only going with two QBs for now.

  292. 292 Greg Richards said at 2:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Arizona cut WR Brittan Golden. Guy to keep an eye on.

  293. 293 Media Mike said at 2:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    How about Braverman being cut from the Bears?

  294. 294 Greg Richards said at 2:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Any Bears’ player is possibility due to Douglas being there previously, but I don’t know if he’s upgrade from Turner as backup slot guy.

  295. 295 RC5000 said at 2:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’s 28 though.

  296. 296 Greg Richards said at 2:33 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Mike Garafolo
    ‏@MikeGarafolo

    23s23 seconds ago

    Packers planning to cut former Pro Bowl G Josh Sitton today, source says.

    This guy hasn’t really fallen off much. Not sure why they cut him other than maybe for cap room to extend other players.

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  297. 297 Rellihcs said at 2:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Do you really think we need to upgrade at G now? I want 3 or 4 new T’s in the next year but G, nah.

  298. 298 Jarock said at 2:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Agreed. Actually happy with the G situation this season. Not nearly as certain at Tackle.

  299. 299 Dragon_Eagle said at 2:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If it means better protection for Wentz, even if just as a backup in case a starter goes down, absolutely.

    Now that we’re all but committed to putting Carson on the field, protect him, protect him, protect him.

    That said, fully agree on OT being the bigger need. Hope that’s what Minny’s 1st rounder nets us.

  300. 300 Greg Richards said at 2:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t see the Eagles pursuing him. Noteworthy player being cut though. I see the Giants being one of teams that target him.

  301. 301 Rellihcs said at 2:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Got ya.

  302. 302 Jarock said at 2:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think the Giants should be having open tryouts for OL. They were dreadful this preseason.

  303. 303 Jernst said at 2:48 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Um … Barbre

  304. 304 Rellihcs said at 2:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    uh, Seumalo….uh…. wiz…

  305. 305 Jernst said at 2:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    yea I’m not impressed with any of them really

  306. 306 Rellihcs said at 2:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    But you know the other guy is better?

  307. 307 Jernst said at 3:31 PM on September 4th, 2016:

    I didn’t say anything about the “other guy”. You said, “Do you really think we need to upgrade at guard?” And I said, “ummm….Barbre” as in Barbre is our starting LG so I think upgrading there is something we should strongly consider. I know nothing about the other guy. I just know that guard is an area that could and should be upgraded.

  308. 308 BlindChow said at 3:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Probably did something weird during the national anthem.

  309. 309 Jarock said at 2:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Refs just missed an obvious facemask in the Houston Oklahoma game. They really don’t play defense in the Big 12 anymore.

  310. 310 RC5000 said at 2:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Houston up 33-17 over #3 Sooners in late 3rd.

  311. 311 Cafone said at 2:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I wouldn’t be shocked if the pick we get from Minnesota turns out to be better than the one we sent to Cleveland.

  312. 312 Nick C said at 2:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I would be.

  313. 313 Greg Richards said at 2:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Eagles win SB, ship 32nd pick to Cleveland. Minnesota finishes 2-14. Eagles get #1 overall pick.

  314. 314 Duracell said at 2:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The chances are 0, but man what a dream scenario.

  315. 315 Jarock said at 2:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Betting on same range.

  316. 316 Rellihcs said at 2:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Such a weird day/few months for Oklahoma, alumns, current team…. I’m totally neutral on that school other then general light haterism against NCAAF powerhouse southern school, but… weird

  317. 317 BobSmith77 said at 3:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I have disliked them going back to the Swizter days and I have no love for Oklahoma. Tulsa isn’t bad but I could leave OKC and hate when I have to go out there to deal with a guy who does engine restorations. Leave the rest of the state too. Same rednecks you have in MS or AL now with mini earthquakes over much of the state

  318. 318 GermanEagle said at 2:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Our conditional 4th round pick becomes a 3rd in 2018 if Vikings reach the NFCG this year. If they win the SB then it will become a 2nd.
    So better root against them this year to receive a high 1st in 2017!!!

  319. 319 Anders said at 3:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yes rather they blow than get a Slight better pick in 18

  320. 320 Greg Richards said at 2:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Eliot Shorr-Parks
    ‏@EliotShorrParks

    1m1 minute ago

    Things are looking good for DT Destiny Vaeao and CB CJ Smith. #Eagles

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  321. 321 Rellihcs said at 2:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    SWEET

  322. 322 Jarock said at 2:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Both are bubble players, but both have at least earned serious consideration. Good for them.

  323. 323 Rellihcs said at 2:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He says teamates think Turner makes it too.

  324. 324 RC5000 said at 2:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    What about Gordon and Means?

  325. 325 GermanEagle said at 2:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    At this time of the day I will be in pure shock if PT doesn’t make this team.

  326. 326 Rellihcs said at 2:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    ESP (booo – can’t stand him, but getting legit scoop from someone at novacare today) – said teammates seem to think Turner made the team.

  327. 327 ChoTime said at 2:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So no one’s going to do it? The caps thing? about the trade only an idiot would believe could happen?

  328. 328 Rellihcs said at 2:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Moritz Boringer cut – go get him. Kinda silly I know but I want it to happen.

  329. 329 GermanEagle said at 2:50 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Here here.

  330. 330 RC5000 said at 2:48 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Oklahoma turnover!

  331. 331 ACViking said at 2:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Re: Historical Note on Bradford Trade

    In the 46 years since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger . . .

    – Only 6 QBs have been traded in-season (incl season’s eve) for a 1st Rd pick.

    – Bradford’s only the second QB traded for a 1st Rd pick in the last 26 years.
    (Carson Palmer, from CIN to OAK on 10/18/11, was the other.)
    ____________________

    Here’re the details on the other trades:

    10/02/70:
    Vikings trade 32 year-old Joe Kapp — who led Minn to the 1969 SB the previous January — to the Patriots for a 1972 1st, used to select MLB Jeff Siemon (4x PB, 5x All conf, 3x SB).
    ** Kapp had been a hold-out and forced the trade.
    ** Vikings go 12-2 without Kapp. Pats go 2-12, get 1st overall pick and take Jim Plunkett in ’71 draft.

    10/22/74:
    Dallas trades 31 y.o. Craig Morton — languishing behind Roger Staubach — to the Giants for NY’s 1975 1st Rd pick — which ends up being the 2nd overall pick used for HOF DT Randy White
    ** Morton goes 8-25 in 2.5 years for the NYG.

    10/22/74:
    Rams trade 34 y.o. John Hadl to the Packers for GB’s 1975 1st, 2nd, 3rd Rd picks *plus* 1976 1st, 2nd. (Of the 5 picks, only Rams ’76 2nd Rd pick CB Pat Thomas has any impact, becoming a 2x PB in a brief five-year career.)
    ** Packers release Hadl after 1.5 seasons and a 7-12 record.

    08/30/76:
    Dallas trades 24 y.o. Clint Longley to the Chargers for SD’s 1977 1st, 2nd Rd picks — which Dallas use to trade up to second overall to select HOF RB Tony Dorsett
    ** Longley — remembered for a dramatic last-second Thanksgiving Day win over rival Washington in ’74 and for punching Roger Staubach in the mouth in ’76 training camp — started just 1 game for SD before being cut and never playing in the NFL again.

    09/18/86:
    Oilers trade 23 y.o. rookie 1st Rd pick Jim Everett to the Rams for LA’s 1st Rd picks in ’87, ’88 plus OT Kent Hill and (future Eagle) DE William Fuller — with Houston drafting WR Haywood Jeffries and using the other 1st to acquire Raider DE Sean Jones

    09/25/90:
    Dallas trades 23 y.o. Steve Walsh to the Saints for a 1991 1st, 3rd Rd picks — which the Cowboys use to select DT Russell Maryland and OT Erik Williams (‘nough said.)

    10/18/11:
    Bengals trade 32 y.o. Carson Palmer to the Raiders for 2012 1st, 2nd Rd picks — which Cincy uses on CB Dre Kirkpatrick and RB Giovanni Bernard
    ** Palmer had “retired” rather than return to the Bengals
    ** Andy Dalton, 2011 2nd Rd pick, became Cincy’s starting QB

  332. 332 Jarock said at 2:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Nice compilation. Sure doesn’t look all that good for Minnesota if history is any indicator.

  333. 333 Dave said at 3:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Then again, neither does our trade up for Wentz.

  334. 334 Jarock said at 3:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Admittedly, but it sure looks better today than it did before. We traded up, but ultimately, we’re going to have almost as many picks as if we hadn’t. That’s an exceptional job by Howie and the FO.

  335. 335 Dave said at 3:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Plus, the fact that they feel this confident about Wentz before the season even starts is comforting.

  336. 336 Jarock said at 3:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Got to be disheartening to Rams fans though 😛

  337. 337 A_T_G said at 3:08 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I didn’t even think of that, but ouch, yeah. Get him with 1st overall, trade him for a 2nd and a scrub. Watch him get traded for a 1st +.

  338. 338 Jarock said at 3:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Was thinking about the Went vs. Goff angle more, but that just doubles it.

  339. 339 Dave said at 3:34 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    At least if Goff doesn’t work out, another team will have the privilege of having Jeff Fisher as their new head coach in a few years.

  340. 340 Jarock said at 3:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Now there’s a guy who’s made out of teflon. Had a decent run in Tennessee and is still living off the aura of LOSING a Super Bowl.

  341. 341 BobSmith77 said at 3:18 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Nice post and equally as nice to see you back posting again.

  342. 342 BobSmith77 said at 3:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Walsh traded always get overlooked too and it really was critical to that Boys’ dynasty in the early 90s.

  343. 343 unhinged said at 3:22 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    ACV, your historical lens is much appreciated.

  344. 344 A_T_G said at 2:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe we just roll with Carson and Chase and keep this as our contingency plan:
    https://twitter.com/cbssportsnet/status/772133122422902785

  345. 345 Rellihcs said at 2:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Makes me worried about the preparation skills of the US Navy…Or is just an embodiment of what the draft truly means?

  346. 346 HawaiianEagle said at 3:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Next Man Up. Never surrender.

  347. 347 Dave said at 3:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Does Rowe’s outstanding special teams ability make cutting him less likely if no trade happens?

  348. 348 Greg Richards said at 3:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yes IMO.

  349. 349 Jarock said at 3:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Probably. That and his 2nd rounder last season probably keeps him on the team. Just hope Smith survives too.

  350. 350 Rellihcs said at 3:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    ESP (gasp) thinks Smith is safe for first 53.

  351. 351 Jarock said at 3:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Still waiting for a real source . . .

  352. 352 Rellihcs said at 3:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    can’t blame you – at all

  353. 353 Duracell said at 3:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    There’s room for both of them. This assumes they don’t do something dumb like keep Pantale.

  354. 354 Rellihcs said at 3:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yes and you can wait for someone to get desperate for CBs ala a lesser but similar situation to what went down with sleeves earlier today

  355. 355 A_T_G said at 3:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Possibly, but I will be worried if not getting a day 3 pick is enough to sway a roster decision. Getting a sixth rounder for Rowe and keeping Smith is the best course of action, but without the trade they’d rather keep Rowe over Smith? That sounds more link rationalization than valuation.

  356. 356 A_T_G said at 3:17 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So, the roster is at 72 (minus Bradford, Shittu, Tavarres) with 45 minutes to go? Are we going to get 19 cuts in one blast?

  357. 357 SteveH said at 3:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Isn’t it due tomorrow at 4?

  358. 358 Rellihcs said at 3:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Today

  359. 359 Greg Richards said at 3:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Rosters not at 72. There are 10 known cuts/trades:

    Bradford, Bethel-Thompson, Marshall, Watford, Marcus Johnson, Shittu, Gause, Tavarres, Countess, Metz

  360. 360 A_T_G said at 3:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Thanks.

    Wow, not much chatter on the other guys. People act like something big happened.

  361. 361 Greg Richards said at 3:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Man, they’re not going to announce the cuts officially until like 3:58, are they?

  362. 362 Greg Richards said at 3:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    First surprise to me:

    Brett Tessler
    ‏@TesslerSports

    1m1 minute ago

    The Philadelphia Eagles have just informed us that C/G Josh Andrews has again made their 53-man roster. Was with them all last season.

  363. 363 Jarock said at 3:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Honestly, not thrilled with that one. Wiz, Seo, Brooks, Kelce is enough interior guys for me. Rather keep a developmental guy than Andrews who made no impact on the team last year when there was zero guard talent on the team.

  364. 364 Greg Richards said at 3:30 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He has the same agent as Carson Wentz.

  365. 365 Jarock said at 3:31 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    **snort**

    If that’s the criteria for who stays and goes, I withdraw every nice thing I said about Howie.

  366. 366 A_T_G said at 3:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He only made 23% of the rosters in our Google Form.

    (Bradford was on 100%, Shittu 0%, Tavarres 6%)

  367. 367 Gary Barnes said at 3:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie will be on CSN Sportsnite (starting now 3:30 pm Saturday) to talk about the deal. Ray Diddy on right now.

  368. 368 RC5000 said at 3:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The PC itself is at 4 according to Eagles? Imagine it’s after cuts announced. Maybe that’s pre stuff at 3:30?

  369. 369 Rellihcs said at 3:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Seems so.

  370. 370 Gary Barnes said at 3:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yea, not sure, they only teased it so I have no idea what time Roseman will be on i.e. before or after the official PC about cuts

  371. 371 RC5000 said at 3:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I would imagine the PC will be about both trade and cuts.

  372. 372 A_T_G said at 3:35 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Duh, but still good to see confirmation from an outsider…
    https://twitter.com/markdominikespn/status/772089719668736000

  373. 373 Jarock said at 3:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    In other news . . . water is wet, the sky is blue and grass is green. Back to you, Mark.

  374. 374 Dave said at 3:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Ed Reynolds gone

  375. 375 Greg Richards said at 3:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Ian Rapoport
    ‏@RapSheet

    52s52 seconds ago

    The #Eagles cut DB Ed Reynolds, who had a pick-6 a few days ago against the #Jets. Former 5th rounder from 2014.

  376. 376 GermanEagle said at 3:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Noooo. I liked Ed. 🙁

  377. 377 A_T_G said at 3:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If only he played like that a few years ago…

  378. 378 SteveH said at 3:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah Reynolds would have been a godsend before Jenkins arrived.

  379. 379 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    yeah I was hoping to keep Ed as a 5th safety instead of keeping a 6th corner like CJ

  380. 380 Fufina said at 3:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    We have a pair of Safeties that unless they are injured are going to be our starting safeties for the next 3 years due to their contracts. Watkins showed he was the best option as the backup and having a 5th Safety really does not add anything to the roster.

    Think we will try and draft safeties pretty regularly in the mid to late rounds over the 2017-2019 to get a pipeline of talent for when Jenkins starts declining… but Reynolds timeline really does not match that need.

  381. 381 SteveH said at 3:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Shame, but I guess its the numbers game.

  382. 382 SteveH said at 3:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    You know its a shame Metz isn’t gonna get a crack at the PS… but I suppose we can bring him to camp next year because I doubt anyone will snatch him up.

  383. 383 RC5000 said at 3:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Practice squads typically have a lot of churn so you never know .

  384. 384 Dave said at 3:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He said he was only 255 lbs on Thursday. He need to get another 10-15 lbs on his frame to have a shot.

  385. 385 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:43 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    sitting down to day dream about getting Leonard Fournatte now that we have a first round pick again… Unlikely Vikings will be bad enough to get him..
    ..
    But don’t miss the return of future Eagle RB Nick Chubb against UNC!! #ChubbGivesEaglefansaChub

  386. 386 GermanEagle said at 3:44 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He’s my wet dream.

  387. 387 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:44 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wentz/Fournett would be a nasty tandem to build around

  388. 388 GermanEagle said at 3:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Scary…but don’t get my hopes up please.

  389. 389 SteveH said at 3:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Just imagine if Bradford gets hurt. Then the Vikes will be in some shit.

  390. 390 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    True that!

  391. 391 GermanEagle said at 3:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He will never get hurt though..

  392. 392 SteveH said at 3:47 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Bradford turns the wrong way on handoff, crashes in AP, they both tear ACL’s. #1stoverall.

  393. 393 Jarock said at 3:51 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    This is Bradford we’re talking about. There’s always the chance he trips walking back to the sideline and re-tears both acl’s.

  394. 394 Anders said at 3:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    My dream is mccaffey. Reminds me of a better Westbrook. Best overall rb in the draft

  395. 395 HawaiianEagle said at 3:49 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wentz/Fournette. Vs. Prescott/Elliott

  396. 396 Anders said at 5:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Again rather McCaffery.

  397. 397 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I like him, but Im hoping that Wendall smallwood will be good enough to where we don’t need a similr RB like McCaffery, so we can replace Ryan Mathews with a Fournett or a Nick Chubb.
    ..
    McCaffery/smallwood may be too similar of a pairing. If Smallwood ISNT legit, than Id be very interested in McCaffery
    ..
    I wonder if being a white RB will work against him in the draft? It be nice if these things didn’t matter in our society, on the other hand trying to find a quality white RB has been like looking for a Unicorn in recent times… But Ed certainly is a bad man, comes with the pedigree. If one kid can break this stigma, it would be him
    ..
    Fournatte is my Dream, Nick Chubb is my realistic target, assuming his injury is completely behind him of course..

  398. 398 Anders said at 5:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think McCaffery will be a better pro RB than those two, so Smallwood does not move the needle for me

  399. 399 Jernst said at 4:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    If Bradford plays to his career marks they’re looking at a 7-9 season.

  400. 400 Greg Richards said at 3:49 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I can imagine Howie desperately holding 3 cell phones trying to make more trades, while a buzzer is there to notify him right before 4:00 pm.

  401. 401 Dave said at 3:51 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Ahem, MM

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TesslerSports/status/772159532457865216

  402. 402 HawaiianEagle said at 3:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Congrats and Browns 2016 is an oxi-moron?

  403. 403 GermanEagle said at 3:52 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if Mostert rushed for 245 yards with 5 TDs against the Eagles on opening gameday?!

  404. 404 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    and Wentz threw for 500yards and 6 TDs against the Browns after tbeir GM publically went on Record claiming he didn’t think wentz would be a top 20 QB, basically spitting in our Qbs face saying he wasn’t worth the pick, łet alone what we traded to get him.
    ..
    Love to see Wentz really stick It to the Browns for being so unprofessional that they would say some shit like that

  405. 405 unhinged said at 3:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    ironic would not be the first word to come to mind.

  406. 406 Jarock said at 3:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yes, pour gasoline on MM’s Barner hate.

  407. 407 SteveH said at 3:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I can feel his hate burning from where I sit.

  408. 408 Greg Richards said at 3:53 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Dianna Russini
    ‏@diannaESPN

    21s21 seconds ago

    The Denver Broncos are making Aqib Talib available for a trade for the right price per multiple sources.

    1 retweet

    0 likes

  409. 409 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Pointless for us now… im sure the Browns would part with Joe Haden for the right price too
    .
    We are clearly building for the future so no point in giving up crazy value for those type of veterans
    ..
    Heck Lane Johnson suspension isn’t that big of a deal now that we are going yoûng this year instead of contending for the division…

  410. 410 GermanEagle said at 3:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Rowe for Talib straight up.

  411. 411 John Galt said at 3:54 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Apologize if already discussed, but what are the salary cap implications of the trade?

  412. 412 Dave said at 3:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    $5.5M in dead cap for 2016 and 2017

  413. 413 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 3:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Actually I think its 11 this year and nothing next year

  414. 414 Dave said at 3:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    My source.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/sam-bradford-6510/

  415. 415 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 4:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    ok

  416. 416 Fufina said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Not that it is hugely important – with cap roll overs which year it accounts for really is not important unless you are hard against the cap.

    However the June 1st, deadline may well only be for cuts, not for trades. OTC (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles/) seems to suggest that trades accelerate the entire cap charge to the Eagles in 2016.

  417. 417 Jernst said at 4:17 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That is correct. And, I believe with the June 1st designation it’s not automatic. You have the choice to designate someone with half of the cap hit this year and half next year if you do it after june 1st but you don’t have to.

  418. 418 Jernst said at 4:16 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yea I saw that, but I’m not sure if that’s completely accurate, I’ve seen a couple other sources say that the full $11M is this year. Not sure what the truth is year.

  419. 419 mksp said at 3:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Um, what are we doing at LB?

  420. 420 GermanEagle said at 3:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    WTF?!
    Goode cut…why?

  421. 421 Dragon_Eagle said at 3:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That is a shocker.

  422. 422 GermanEagle said at 3:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That’s a head scratcher. Especially since we’re so thin at LB?! Doesn’t make sense to me.. for now!

  423. 423 Jarock said at 3:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    OMG . . . . We’re depending on both Kendricks and Bradham to stay healthy the entire season? Howie . . . . you’re testing my faith right after performing a miracle!!!!

  424. 424 Duracell said at 4:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    And Hicks. Even if they are planning to make a move there I don’t understand it at all.

  425. 425 Tumtum said at 4:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Final 53 is generally the coach’s final say.

  426. 426 Greg Richards said at 3:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    LB additions will be coming.

  427. 427 Tdoteaglefan said at 4:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    yup *rubs hands together*

  428. 428 GermanEagle said at 4:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Still don’t understand it. Was he in the coaches doghouse for a reason?!

  429. 429 Jarock said at 4:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Actually thought he played pretty well this preseason with the exception of that bad missed tackle late against the Jets.

    As good as the Bradford trade was, this makes no sense unless they already have someone lined up.

  430. 430 Jernst said at 4:15 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    How many times as Najee Goode been cut and resigned before…maybe they just figure that he’ll still be available if they need him and don’t need to keep him on the 53

  431. 431 Jarock said at 4:17 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Juggling lit dynamite.

  432. 432 D3FB said at 5:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Zero times.

    Bucs cut him in 2013 and we claimed him on waivers.

    Has not been cut since.

  433. 433 Greg Richards said at 3:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Najee Goode cut.

    John Clark CSN
    ‏@JClarkCSN

    54s54 seconds ago

    #Eagles cuts. Paul Turner on team for now. Najee Goode and Cody Parkey cut

  434. 434 Greg Richards said at 3:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It won’t allow me to cut-and-paste to pdf showing who Eagles cut but you can find it.

  435. 435 Greg Richards said at 4:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Ravens cut RB Justin Forsett.

  436. 436 GermanEagle said at 4:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Loved him two years ago. Think he might be done though..

  437. 437 Jernst said at 4:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    yea and two years ago was a catching lightning in a bottle one year wonder type situation.

  438. 438 Tumtum said at 4:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Lol think he was drafted in every fantasy league i did

  439. 439 SteveH said at 4:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    5 dollars to whoever posts the full cut list.

  440. 440 Dave said at 4:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JClarkCSN/status/772162032649007105/photo/1

  441. 441 SteveH said at 4:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So the only shocker is goode, and they aren’t holding onto Greene, but this means that Turner made it and so did Dillon Gordon.

  442. 442 A_T_G said at 4:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    For now…

  443. 443 Jarock said at 4:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The Goode and Green cuts are the only ones I really disagree with.

    No LB depth and I thought Greene was better than Andrews.

    Thanks for the post Dave.

  444. 444 Dave said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe Rowe will be traded for a LB

  445. 445 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    WTF? Why would they cut Goode? He can play ST too.. Im baffled

  446. 446 SteveH said at 4:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah that one is a head scratcher, guess we’ll have to wait and see the full plan.

  447. 447 Jernst said at 4:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    The only move today I’m not getting

  448. 448 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So much for Elliot Shor Parks “reports” about Rowe getting cut

  449. 449 Rellihcs said at 4:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    bring on the ESP hate… please sir, can I have some more?

  450. 450 GermanEagle said at 4:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It’s still a very fluid roster…

  451. 451 Duracell said at 4:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I hope it doesn’t happen to Rowe, but someone who just made the cut isn’t going to be sticking around.

  452. 452 Jernst said at 4:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    There has never been a hackier hack that ever hacked as hard as that hackster

  453. 453 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Basically…

  454. 454 Rellihcs said at 4:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I can only think that Schwartz does not particularly like Goode – and/or he has a target that they think they will get via waivers or trade for Rowe…

  455. 455 Jernst said at 4:11 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yea…there’s literally no depth at LB on this team…except Tulloch.

  456. 456 Jarock said at 4:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Except Tulloch cannot play outside. CAN NOT. As bad as Kendricks has been in coverage, he’s Willie T compared to Tulloch.

  457. 457 SteveH said at 4:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Dillon Gordon made the final 53, but Greene did not… Interesting.

  458. 458 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah Tom predicted that, but I thought it would be Green on roster and Dillon to PS
    ..
    Assume they try to PS Greene

  459. 459 Fufina said at 4:08 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Really pleased he flashed a lot of talent to me in games – which is all you can ask for someone converting to a new position. Will be fun to see how he looks in 2017 when he has had a solid year of coaching and training.

  460. 460 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Damn they went heavy on DL… 11 Deep!
    ..
    I figured would would keep all 6 DE’s, but I figured it would mean we only keep 4 DTs, but we kept 5 anyway… And im thrilled for it because Baeu, Hart and Destiny all looked good

  461. 461 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Roseman presser coming up now.

  462. 462 Jernst said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie’s got back most of what he traded to go up and get Wentz. So far he’s out a 2018 second round pick. And, like Charley Casserly just said, he’s got two years to recoup that pick and I’m betting on Howie to get a second pick back by that time.

  463. 463 RC5000 said at 4:08 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    He got a 2018 4th . We also have extra pick now in 2017. We have Browns 4th. So we’re already in pretty good shape.

  464. 464 Tumtum said at 4:24 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    You ha e to account for the Bradford aquistion price too.

  465. 465 Jernst said at 3:57 PM on September 4th, 2016:

    The decision to sign Bradford was Chips. Then Howie comes in and has to decide what to do with that. I think you take it from there, he then resigns Bradford, trades up for Wentz, and recoups most of the cost for the trade up by trading Bradford.

    Otherwise how far do you go back, we spent a 3rd on Foles. Should we account for that too? But we only spent that 3rd rounder on Foles because the 2nd rounder we spent on Kolb didn’t work out. But, then again we traded Kolb for a 2nd and DRC, so should we account for that too? I say no. Just start at the logical point where Howie regained control and what he did with the assets available at that time.

  466. 466 Tumtum said at 7:02 PM on September 4th, 2016:

    I keeping score for the Eagles. Dont care who called the play. Not to mention Bradford had a cost associated with him. So that has to be accounted for in the tally.

  467. 467 Jernst said at 7:57 PM on September 4th, 2016:

    Ok I guess agree to disagree but the cost associated with having Bradford in 2016 available for trade was nothing but his signing bonus of $11M. The second and Foles was just to rent him for 2015. He signed here in 2016 as a FA we didn’t have to give up anything to acquire him this year.

    And, none of the stuff that happened in 2015 has anything to do with Howie, so you’re free to keep score for the Eagles, but you’re responding to a post about Howie, so it’s a little confusing when you respond by saying I have to consider something that didnt involve Howie in order to judge Howies moves and then when it’s pointed out that the thing you want me to consider didn’t involve Howie at all you just say well I’m not talking about Howie I’m keeping score for the Eagles.

  468. 468 Tumtum said at 12:24 PM on September 5th, 2016:

    Good point. I had not thought about it that way. I can see calling the cost to originally acquire him a wash. Not sure I would really go that route, considering what we gave up to get him he was never supposed to be a rental. I at least get the logic.

  469. 469 Tumtum said at 12:27 PM on September 5th, 2016:

    One last thing. If Howie goes to the casino and gets 1k in house money. If he loses it all, he still lost 1k. Sure it wasn’t his 1k to start with but it becae his 1k.

    I hope you don’t think I am a Howie basher in any way. I have actually always liked the guy. I thought he did a much better job adapting to Chip’s system than Chip himself ever did (when it comes to adding the right players).

  470. 470 Jernst said at 3:46 AM on September 6th, 2016:

    That’s an interesting way to look at it and I can somewhat see the logic there. And, I think if Bradford is the house money it’s reasonable to count Bradford himself in the cost to acquire the 1st and 4th. But I’m still not sure it makes sense to count Bradford, the money spent on him and the picks/players traded to initially obtain him. Just seems like we’re double or even triple counting. But overall I think we’ve spent way more time discussing silly semantics when essentially I think we feel the same way about Howie overall, haha. Good discussion though!

  471. 471 Julescat said at 4:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sanchize cut by Broncos

  472. 472 SteveH said at 4:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    lol.

  473. 473 Jarock said at 4:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    That’s no surprise. Would have been more surprising had he made the team.

  474. 474 Julescat said at 4:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    lost our draft pick

  475. 475 Jarock said at 4:14 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Expected days ago when Sanchez fumbled away the chance to QB a SB winner. There was no way the Broncos were going to pay Sanchez 4.5M to be 3rd string.

  476. 476 HawaiianEagle said at 4:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    QB3…?

  477. 477 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I literally heard a caller suggest that we should sigń Vick as our #3 today.. I almost drove off the road

  478. 478 Jernst said at 4:10 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Better than Mcleod Bethel whatever his name is, not sure if Vick would be better than no 3rd QB at all…so…

  479. 479 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:16 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Tony Romo can take hits better than VICK can at this point

  480. 480 Jarock said at 4:18 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Romo with the broken back is better than Vick right now 😛

  481. 481 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Probably lol

  482. 482 P_P_K said at 4:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    On his way back to Eagles?

  483. 483 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Whoa. Pederson’s father passed away last night.

  484. 484 Tumtum said at 4:22 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Not cool

  485. 485 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:24 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Damn shame his father didnt get to see him In his first game as a HC
    .
    RIP

  486. 486 GermanEagle said at 4:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe they will convert MS II to LB again?! lol…

  487. 487 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:06 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Anyone know if HOWIE confirmed Wentz would start as soon as he is healthy?

  488. 488 Rellihcs said at 4:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Howie said all the coaches are away/not in the building so no comments on that now.

  489. 489 HawaiianEagle said at 4:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Says coaching decision

  490. 490 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Thank you sir

  491. 491 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:07 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Listening. Doubt he’ll say much on that – leave it to coaches to determine.

  492. 492 Jernst said at 4:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    he’s giving press conference right now on nfl network. Said coaches will make the decision when they all get back

  493. 493 Jernst said at 4:08 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Najee Goode cut??? That’s shocking!

  494. 494 Julescat said at 4:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Najee Bad?

  495. 495 Jernst said at 4:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    haha

  496. 496 meteorologist said at 4:12 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Insane! They must be getting ready to Acho him! (They cut Eman acho for Najee Goode)

  497. 497 Greg Richards said at 4:13 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    My thinking is that Goode is a vested veteran and not subject to waivers. So you cut him now and keep younger guys on first cuts so they won’t be exposed to waivers. If you don’t get any LBs you like on waivers, you could re-sign Goode if he doesn’t sign elsewhere. Eventually you’d have to cut one of the young guys, but less likely they’re claimed on 2nd go around and a bigger chance you can put them on the PS.

  498. 498 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe they try and pick him back up once Lane gets suspended, but that’s a dangerous game to play. I would sigń Goode right away if I were the Cowboys or Giants.. Their LB’s are shit

  499. 499 Jernst said at 5:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Unless they have an agreement w Goode already that they’re going to resign him in the next week and he’s onboard with that.

  500. 500 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:15 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So many recent top picks in the last couple drafts have been cut.. A lot of top 100 drafted CB’s…. Shows how tough that position is to draft. always knew Dee Milner would be a bust. I didn’t love Gilbert, but never thought he would be this bad. But I did like the Djoun kid drafted in round 3 that the colts cut because of injury
    .
    Gone are the days of top picks getting years to develope. Thankfully MS2 got it together in time to possibly salvage his eagle career, he earned his spot tbis year. You don’t get gifted a rpster spot when the team kept 5 other Defensive Ends.. Hopefully MS2 will justify schwartz vote of confidence

  501. 501 Tumtum said at 4:21 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Draft is tough man, and the talent pool seems so much bigger than even 15 years ago, they have to be good now or they are out.

  502. 502 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:22 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Especially now that Coaches are no longer given 3-5 years if they ARENT producing,… coaches don’t have the job security to be waiting years for these kids

  503. 503 Tumtum said at 4:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Cept for the Colts!

  504. 504 GermanEagle said at 4:15 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Watch out for a possibly another upset by Wisconsin over LSU…

  505. 505 Jarock said at 4:16 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    All the more reason why early college rankings are worthless.

  506. 506 Greg Richards said at 4:18 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    So, roster right now:

    QB(2): Wentz|Daniel
    RB(4): Mathews|Sproles|Barner|Smallwood
    WR(5): Matthews|Green-Beckham|Agholor|Huff|Turner
    TE(3): Ertz|Celek|Burton
    OL(11): Peters|Barbre|Kelce|Brooks|Johnson|Tobin||Wisniewski|Andrews|Seumalo|Vatai|Gordon

    DE(6): Barwin|Graham|Curry|Smith|Means|Braman
    DT(5): Cox|Logan|Allen|Hart|Vaeao
    LB(4): Kendricks|Hicks|Bradham|Tulloch
    CB(6): McKelvin|Carroll|Brooks|Mills|Rowe|Smith
    S(4): Jenkins|McLeod|Watkins|Maragos

    ST(3): Dorenbos|Sturgis|Jones

  507. 507 Tumtum said at 4:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Goode though, seriously? Cut smallwood

  508. 508 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Smith III

  509. 509 Tumtum said at 4:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Dont know why but im intrigured by him again.

  510. 510 Rellihcs said at 4:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe the fact that he had a strong preseason and Schwartz clearly wanted him on the team (so far)?

  511. 511 Tumtum said at 4:31 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Obviously, but I told myself I wouldnt do this to me.

  512. 512 mksp said at 4:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Would think Josh Andrews is the one to go when we find an LB we like.

  513. 513 Rellihcs said at 4:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah he seems to be the first.

  514. 514 Safety1st said at 4:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Four legit rookie UFAs. Wow.

  515. 515 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:19 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    From Kempski’s article 3 days ago on possible trade for Sam Bradford:

    “If they were to offer, saaaaay, a first-round pick for Bradford, would the Eagles consider it? Of course. But they won’t, because they aren’t insane enough to believe that a quarterback with no more than seven wins in any one season is going to learn the playbook in a week and lead them to a Super Bowl.”

    Those crazy Vikings.

    http://www.phillyvoice.com/could-cowboys-or-vikings-trade-sam-bradford-or-chase-daniel/

  516. 516 Jarock said at 4:20 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Kempski was right about everything except how desperate the Vikings are 😛

  517. 517 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Yep. Looks like Vikes really fear that Bridgewater’s career may be over. Given the team they assembled, which should be in the playoff mix, its more understandable if that FO really believes they have a shot at the Superbowl in the next year or two.

  518. 518 Jarock said at 4:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I just find it hard to believe that anyone watched Bradford for his short NFL career and thought, “That’s a Super Bowl QB with the right team.”

    Those crazy nfl scouts.

  519. 519 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:29 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Brand new stadium

  520. 520 Dave said at 4:31 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    It’s not as far fetched as it would seem. Teddy and Sam have extremely similar skill sets…short to intermediate accuracy. Vikings offense is built around that and running the ball.

  521. 521 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Broncos just did it with a guy practically using a walker. Vikes are similarly built. Short passing game, great defense, best RB of the last 10 years. QB just needs to not screw up.

    So what surprises me is they felt Bradford was needed over other available QBs – who aren’t great either, but a 1st & 4th drop off from Sammy Sleeves?

  522. 522 Jarock said at 4:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sleeves can’t carry Peyton’s jock let alone a team.

    Teams delude themselves when they see teams like Denver last year and the Ravens back in the Ray Lewis days that they can duplicate their success. Those were two of the best defenses of the last 20+ years. Vikings aren’t there. While I expect them to be very good on defense, I don’t see them dominating games.

  523. 523 Dragon_Eagle said at 4:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Exactly. Let them delude away. Howie is here to help.

  524. 524 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Smh Wisconsin can’t be throwing INT in The Redzone if they are to upset LSU…

  525. 525 Jarock said at 4:23 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Every bubble guy on Tommy’s list made the team except Ed Reynolds. Wow.

    Edit** Correction Ed and Greene.

  526. 526 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 4:24 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    sanchise to cowboys

  527. 527 Jarock said at 4:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Guessing or confirmed?

  528. 528 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 4:25 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    rappaprot just confirmed on nfln

  529. 529 Julescat said at 4:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    ESPN reporting too

  530. 530 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:26 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    YES!! That’s awesome!, I hope we get to face him

  531. 531 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 4:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    that’s the dream

  532. 532 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Łet Cox and Vinny slam him around a bit,.. And boost our interception stats

  533. 533 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 4:28 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    have him running around so much he barfs up his midgame hotdogs

  534. 534 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:31 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe Hicks can knock him out the game and boost his collection of scalps of cowboy QBs

  535. 535 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 4:32 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZw07glc7ko

  536. 536 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sanchez would make for one pretty scalp, with his luscious Locks and his “Manly” headband

  537. 537 P_P_K said at 4:58 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Great movie.

  538. 538 Jarock said at 4:27 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Sooo . . . Jerry didn’t want anything to do with Foles, but signs Sanchez? smh

  539. 539 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:37 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    lol coaches said they signed Tulloch to improve our depth… Was that really neccessary if we were only going to keep 4 LB’s?
    Najee is much cheaper than Tully. najee can play on 3rd down, Tully Can’t…. Najee plays ST, Tully doesnt…
    ..
    Color me confused…. Easier to put up with stuff like this when you have a DC like schwartz who you trust completely, but it doesn’t mean I have to understand it

  540. 540 GermanEagle said at 4:38 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I think there’s a reason why we all ain’t a DC in the NFL.

  541. 541 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:39 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wonder who would be the first player we sigń back to the team if Lane were to be suspended today?

  542. 542 GermanEagle said at 4:40 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Goode. lol

  543. 543 HawaiianEagle said at 4:42 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    At least 1 reason…

  544. 544 Jarock said at 4:41 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Main reason it doesn’t make sense is we have no OLB depth now. Sure, we needed an MLB to backup Hicks. No problem whatsoever with signing Tully for that. But, we’re going to depend on Bradham and Kendricks to stay healthy all season? When’s the last time that happened? Never??? You can’t play Tully out there. I guess they could move Hicks outside and play Tully in the middle, but that leaves them NOTHING for depth.

  545. 545 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:46 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    What I like about Tully is he puts the pressure on Kendricks, stay healthy, and play well or he will find himself on the bench backing up Hicks while Tully starts in the middle…Im a frustrated kendricks fan so I like putting that type of pressure on Kendricks…. Especially since the Eagles have no problem going with Hicks and Bradham in our nickel package, so it’s time for Kendicks to perform and play thru some injuries..
    ..
    But the lack of depth is certainly scary
    .,
    And it seems like we don’t have any Linebacks that can be key ST contributors which Is pretty weird

  546. 546 Jernst said at 4:45 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Bhahahaha Cowboys signed Sanchez. God I hope we get to play against that INT machine!

  547. 547 P_P_K said at 4:57 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    What a great off-season.

  548. 548 HawaiianEagle said at 4:59 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Week 17, boys need to win to get to PO…Sanchez starts vs EAGLES. And the KO…Underway! I live for that shit.

  549. 549 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:00 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Its been a great day all around. 🙂

  550. 550 P_P_K said at 5:01 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    500+ comments. A pre-season record?

  551. 551 ACViking said at 5:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    PPK:

    What’s your (now-much older) son saying about the deal?

  552. 552 P_P_K said at 5:09 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Great to hear from you, ol’ friend.

    The boy (more young man, now) says , “Short-term, this season is over. Long-term, Wentz better be a success.”

  553. 553 D3FB said at 5:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    What the hell did Najee do?

  554. 554 Greg Richards said at 5:36 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t think anything. I think this was strategic. He’s not subject to waivers. So why keep him on roster now at expense of player that is subject to waivers. You can keep an UDFA you like, wait to re-sign Goode on say Tuesday. You waive an UDFA then and it’s less likely they’re claimed on waivers.

  555. 555 ACViking said at 5:02 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Here’s what Viking fans are saying about the trade:

    – roughly 80% approve (StarTribune.com poll – unscientific)

    – fans like the deal because — with GM Rick Spielman’s track record on 1st Rd picks is horrible (Ponder, Patterson, Khalil, Waynes) — the cost was minimal.

    – fans like the deal because Bradford has the accuracy to complete passes more than 10 yards down field, which is key in the Norv Turner offense.

    – fans don’t like the deal because Bradford never throws the ball more than 10 yards down field.

  556. 556 Jernst said at 5:03 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    – Vikings fans are stupid

  557. 557 D3FB said at 5:04 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    They’re all too damn nice to openly hate the front office.

  558. 558 Tumtum said at 5:56 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    I was begining to wonder where you were sir.

  559. 559 (__!__) said at 5:05 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    Wentz could end up being our leading rusher this year.

  560. 560 Jarock said at 5:08 PM on September 3rd, 2016:

    New thread

  561. 561 ac134spectre said at 10:10 PM on September 4th, 2016:

    Just thinking… wow… Sam Bradford brought a first to the eagles… after we gave up on Foles and sent a second. Crazy.