More on Bradford and Some Cutdown Talk
Posted: September 3rd, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 561 Comments »In case you missed it…the Eagles traded Sam Bradford this morning. He goes to the Vikings for their 1st round pick in 2017 and a conditional pick in 2018. For now, that’s a 4th round pick, but it can get even better.
Per source, the 2018 fourth-round pick that the Eagles get can become a 3 or even a 2. Triggers based on Vikings team success with Bradford.
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 3, 2016
Eagles benefit no matter how Vikings turn out. If they struggle, Eagles get a better 1st round pick. If they play lights out, Eagles get better pick in 2018.
So this move puts Chase Daniel in as the starter and accelerates the Carson Wentz era. Right?
Kind of.
Check out this line from Dave Spadaro.
Wentz has done everything the Eagles wanted from the first day he was taken. Now, it seems, he is just a healthy CT scan away from, potentially, starting the opener on September 11 against Cleveland.
Whoa.
Hold the phone on #Eagles elevating Chase Daniel as starter. I'm hearing this trade is more about Carson Wentz moving up.
— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) September 3, 2016
Robinson is a terrific writer, but I have no idea who he would be getting info from in regard to the Eagles. Still, he wouldn’t put something like that out there without having heard a good nugget from someone. Robinson isn’t a guy that just speculates for the heck of it.
Is Wentz ready to start?
I have my doubts, but one thing you cannot dispute is the electricity in The Linc when he took the field. His teammates picked up their level of play. The fans were excited. That’s not a feeling you get with any backup or rookie QB. That was a special moment.
Wentz has the physical ability to play right now. His big issue is lack of experience. The one way to deal with that is to play. Maybe Pederson rolls the dice and goes with Wentz in the opener. The bye comes in Week 4. Maybe the Eagles start Daniel initially and then turn to Wentz after the bye. One other thing to keep in mind is that now Wentz is the backup and can be active on gamedays. They can mix him into games even if he doesn’t start. Every snap will help him to learn and develop.
I would only go with Wentz right now if I felt he was ready to play. You can ruin a young QB by putting him on the field too fast. Wentz is mature. He has the temperament and mentality to play right away. You just have to make sure he’s able to deal with the ups and downs that come with playing QB in the NFL. That’s tough on everyone, let alone a rookie. The coaches know their jobs are tied to Wentz so they won’t rush him. They’ll make the smart decision.
What about a 3rd QB?
It is possible the Eagles go only with 2. They could put McLeod Bethel-Thompson or some other player on the practice squad. I think the team will see what’s available. There are a pair of teams to watch, the Jets and Chiefs.
KC – Alex Smith, Nick Foles, Tyler Bray, Kevin Hogan
NYJ – Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg
Doug Pederson coached Bray in KC and could have interest in him. The Eagles showed interest in Hogan in the pre-draft process. Think they liked him as a mid-round option.
Can the Jets keep all 4 QBs? They could try to trade Petty, but wouldn’t have any leverage. He might be worth a late pick. If they cut him, I’d be interested for sure.
One other player that interests me is Stephen Morris, the QB from the Colts. He was with the Eagles for part of last year on the PS. If the Colts keep just 2 QBs and let him go, I’d have interest in signing him. He also played pretty well against the Eagles in the third preseason game.
We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
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(I was working on the below material when the Bradford deal went down. That final line proved to be prophetic.)
We’re still waiting for the Eagles to announce their cuts. They’ll drop down to 53 players by 4pm today.
We do have a couple of nuggets already.
Eagles to release LB Myke Tavarres j https://t.co/5UPRrBdWEe
— TURRON DAVENPORT (@TDavenport_NFL) September 3, 2016
The #Eagles have released Jake Metz, per source. No plans for the practice squad.
— Eliot Shorr-Parks (@EliotShorrParks) September 3, 2016
This is God's Dream !
— Jalen Mills (@Mills_Island) September 3, 2016
That last item isn’t definitive, but sure feels like something a guy would say after finding out he’s made the roster.
Rather than talk about who has made the team, let’s eliminate some guys who simply have no chance.
QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson
RB Cedric O’Neal
RB Byron Marshall
WR Marcus Johnson
WR David Watford
WR Cayleb Jones
TE Chris Pantale
TE M.J. McFarland
OL Barrett Jones
DL Jake Metz
DL Bruce Gaston
DL Azziz Shittu
LB Myke Tavarres
LB Quentin Gause
LB Don Cherry
S Blake Countess
CB JaCorey Shepherd
PK Cody Parkey
That means things are down to these bubble players.
WR Paul Turner
OL Dillon Gordon
OL H. Vaitai
OL Darrell Greene
OL Josh Andrews
DL Destiny Vaeao
DL Steven Means
S Ed Reynolds
CB Eric Rowe
CB C.J. Smith
Obviously the Eagles are going to be checking out the waiver wire very closely. The team could be looking for a CB, LB or WR. Heck, they could be open to change just about anywhere other than DL. That’s one area where the team seems to have a deep group that fits the scheme well.
One X-factor could be if Howie Roseman makes an unexpected trade or two.
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+++BREAKING NEWS+++
The NFL has just expanded the regular season roster from 53 to 60 players after Howie Roseman entered Roger Goodell’s office by threatening him: “If not now, Wentz?!”
The NFL has just expanded the regular season roster from 53 to 60 players after Howie Roseman entered Roger Goodell’s office by threatening him: “If not now, Wentz?!”
I wouldn’t doubt it.
I wouldn’t doubt it.
From other thread:
I know its not related, but we have a few spots to fill in our annual Igglesblitz fantasy league: https://yho.com/nfl?l=194099&ikey=bb2dcde7aaf055bb&soc_src=app-sh&soc_trk=lnk
Click linj to join…
Active players only, free league, always a good time!
Draft Tuesday evening, try to make it live!
if you can’t make draft does computer pick for you?
Yeah and you can preorder players and remove players from auto draft list
Time on Tuesday?
Looks like 7:30.
7:30 is right. One spot left!
I’m in.
I’m in
Just to update, one spot left
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I am stoked. Got tickets to the Falcons game at the Linc on November 13th. Figured I’d be watching Bradford or Daniel if Sammy got dinged.
Now? Well, I’m thinking my chances of seeing Wentz are better than 50-50.
I could kiss Howie.
And here’s me hoping that I will get to see Wentz live in action vs. the Browns when I will be at the game…
100% go with Wentz from the start!
I’ve seen more than a couple of credible reports that are suggesting Wentz is the week 1 starter if healthy.
Imagine how season ticket holders feel
I’ll reiterate that I hope the Eagles do not throw Wentz to the wolves. That would be such a waste of all the hard work they have done this off-season. I doubt they will be that stupid as every other move they’ve made with Wentz has been to protect him until he’s ready.
I’ll be rooting for Ed Reynolds to make the cut along with Means and Greene.
Busy Labor Day weekend indeed…:)
I want Reynolds to make it as well. Dude is a baller!
I also hope we will keep Rowe unless a team offers at least a 5th rounder for him..
i hear you… But looking at the opponents on our schedule, letting him get his feet wet against the Browns and Bears may be the best opportunity on our schedule
Thanks CSN, ‘Amy. Fadools evaluation of the bradford trade is exactly what every Eagle fan was hoping for when they turned on CSN..smh
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Right away the media changes the narrative to “the Eagles realized they couldn’t have their cake and eat it too with Bradford and Wentz”… Really? How ridiculous can you be? Are we already pretending this move is about anything other than HOWIE knowing he will NEVER have a chance to get this much value for SAM if he passes this up? The Vikings made an offer that we can’t refuse, simple as that…. No need to make things up…
You beautiful bastard. This is the kind of trade I was hoping to see and the Eagles pulled it when the opportunity arose and stick to their longer term vision. Kudos Howie.
Starting Wentz Week 1 makes no sense and I really hope that isn’t Lurie imposing that decision on Rosemsn and Pederson because he doesn’t want to endure a potential 4-win season.
I think with Wentz at the helm the Eagles record will be better than with Chase frigging Daniel…
At the end of the season, I agree with you. To start, just a little worse.
Making that decision one way or another today is dumb anyway. First you have to focus on cuts and other potential trades, then practice squad, then actually practicing, meeting, game planning, and prepping for the first game of a new season. Only then do you assess how Wentz is healing, and where his prep/readiness is at v. prospects with Chase v. cle and cost/benefit of the pros/cons. The coaching staff should make the decision based on data nobody has now. Everyone else shouldn’t. Period.
I will say this. The jerks in the national and local media who actually acted like the Eagles FO was clueless and had no plan with 3 QBs…makes me laugh even harder now.
Stuff like tbis pushes me firther and further away from media.
EXCELLENT point.
Rueben Frank for one. That guy had Tom Gamble’s “piece” so far down his throat it was embarrassing.
It was mind blowing how little imagination people showed looking at our QB situation. Half the media and all the national media looked at our QBs just from the stand point of this year and money spent. But, I thought it was obvious from the very beginning, that Bradford was simply the piece that made moving up make so much sense. If you could recoup most of the cost of moving up for a top QB simply by paying a guy $11M to be a short term placeholder, why the hell wouldn’t you move up.
Sorry for being late to the party, but this is great. This might drop us to 5-11 in the short term,but the deal is 100% for the best. This is the most we were ever going to get for Bradford and Bradford was never going to be here long term.
might drop us to 5-11?
Yeah. We were going to be 7-9 before the trade. Now we could slide to 5-11. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
I thought Bradford was good enough to win plenty with a great defense. We could well have a really good one, so I thought division title and playoffs were a pretty good possibility. I don’t think we were SB contenders though, meaning we would have traded Bradford anyways and started over next year (with no #1 pick).
This now turns into a developmental season, unless the defense is astounding and Wentz learns fast. I’m not all that hopeful with Lane Johnson out most of the season, and Wentz have just two years of D-1AA experience. And in that brief session in preseason, it looked like he was accustomed to taking hits from the smaller DLmen he faced in college and not protecting himself as much. He’s going to need to learn fast not to do that.
What held me back from assuming this season would be a playoff season, although I’m 100% ready to see our D slap people around, is the poor state of the O-line. I’m fearful over
– the health of Peters
– the strongest muscle group of Kelce being around his mouth
– Lane’s suspension
– Barbre’s existance
– learning curve for Seumalo as a rookie
So I was looking at a good number of close game losses due to our line getting abused.
Yes, the OL was my biggest concern as well. That problem will only be magnified with Wentz though, in all likelihood, though he does have more escapability.
Haha…Barbre’s existence!
You really thought this was a 10 or even 11 win team?
Given the NFC East, sure. It would have depended on how the OL played as well, which is a serious concern with the Lane Johnson situation, so that tempered my enthusiasm. Before then I thought we could get to 10 wins for sure.
I did, too. I figured 9-7, going 5-1 in the Div. Not going any farther in the playoffs but it would have made the season interesting. We’ll never know.
I could easily see a three win season. Not the most likely scenario, but not that unlikely. Daniel is hot trash, and Wentz looked as raw as I expected him to be in his limited preseason snaps.
It’s an amazing deal Howie got for Bradford. Ready or not, like the timing or not, it’s all-in with Wentz.
And it was never not all-in with Wentz due to the assets used to acquire him, but recouping some significant compensation for Bradford is amazing.
The net draft capital we gave up for Wentz if you include the Bradford trade is so minimal given that he’s a potential (***potential***) franchise QB.
Great job by Howie.
You have to include the Bradford trade. Amazing considering he was gone after this year anyway.
I was saying that from the very beginning that the plan to keep Bradford had as much to do with net compensation to move up for Wentz as it did to allow him to sit and learn. We paid to keep Bradford because he was an asset that could recoup the draft picks used to move up. All the writers and half the posters on these boards complained that our QB situation made no sense. But, when you look at the net of picks used to move up for Wentz now it all makes sense. We essentially gave up Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonso and a second round pick in 2017 to move up from the middle of the first round to the number 2 overall pick to draft a top QB.
Plus we absorb the entire cap hit this year which gives us an extra $5.5M or so next year to play with.
As D3 / German said; that’s Bennie’s money.
exactly!
I think we save 1.5 million on this year’s cap, and 17 million on next year’s. Pretty sure that half of Bradford’s signing bonus (the 5.5 you mention) will be charged to next year’s cap since it’s after June 1.
With whatever trade ammo Howie has got left in his big guns, please let him go get us some OL help. If the franchise QB is going to be put out there, let’s make sure he’s got the best protection Lurie’s money can buy. We don’t want to David Carr him.
Nobody is trading you any O-line help unless you can find a guy who is due for a new deal that a team is too cheap to pay.
After this morning, I will not question Howie’s ability to pull it off no matter the odds or the logic.
If that guy exists, I’m sure we’d be in the mix. Those guys don’t exist every year.
As someone who named his fantasy team after Aziz Shittu, I’ll be sad if he doesn’t make the roster, or at least the practice squad.
BOOM!
https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/772115337470967808
Exciting, but not what I’d do. I’m not sure how ready he is for NFL game speed.
On the other hand, the Browns are the 2nd worst D we’ll face all year. The Giants still hold that distinction.
Just remember, he only needs to be ready for NFL Browns speed, at least for week 1. Not as daunting.
Hopefully he’s on vacation for our game at Seattle.
Please dear Football God,
have Wentz’ ribs fully healed !!!
Shocked, but happy 🙂
BOOM?
Didn’t actually read the Tommy’s post, did you?
interesting to make this trade after you take out the ferrari, hit a pothole and have to put it in the garage for a month.
Why all the doom and gloom if Wentz starts week 1? The only time QBs seemed to be ruined starting early in their careers were when they had horrible offensive lines and no running game. Plus last time I check, Mariota had neither in Tennessee last year and he still seems OK.
I would think Pederson and Reich being former NFL QBs would have more insight than most, including myself, on whether to start him early or not.
I’m fearful Wentz isn’t ready for a full speed NFL game just yet. Doubly so due to missing all of that time in the pre-season.
He’s got the right mental makeup (or sure seems to). Will he take his lumps? Sure, but that was going to happen regardless. Sooner is better if he’s healthy.
Possibly. Possibly not. I saw it work well with Reid / Pederson / McNabb in 1999 by not going the start right away route, so I’m partial to replicating that.
Really not sure McNabb would have turned out different if started from day one. Biggest difference is our line this year has the potential to be good to very good if people stay healthy. Much better than last season at the least. That will help Wentz develop and hopefully keep him healthier.
I’ll believe that with the line when I see it. Lane would need to beat the NFL, Peters would need to be healthy, Seumalo would need to be ahead of a typical rookie starter, and Kelce would need to not be himself.
That’s a lot of “ifs.”
But I don’t hate starting Wentz day 1, just not what I’d do.
Worried about the Lane situation. Peters is definitely on the decline, but still has a decent season or two left. Guard situation went from starting two guys who had no business starting to Brooks, Wiz, and Seo. That’s miles better than anything that was on the roster last season. Mostly not thrilled with starting Barbre.
How can he become ready for full speed NFL games sitting on the bench?
He’d sit and learn, play in spot relief duty, and start down the road. Same plan as McNabb in 99 going into 2000.
McNabb wasn’t a big learner early in his career. He scrambled so often that he was playing backyard football and making it up as he went along.
True enough, so how much worse would that have been if he’d have started on day 1?
Not sure that is comparable here. Wentz seems much more at ease with the playbook than McNabb was after his first training camp.
That’s certainly true. What’s killing me with Wentz is that we didn’t get a chance to see him in pre-season games as much as would have been ideal. By far.
I agree 100%
I know it’s a small sample size, but I loved how he kept his eyes down the field even when the backups let pressure get to him immediately.
By drinking the blood from a pure stud named Barner
lol
If you want Barner to stud in your mouth, that’s your business.
One would presume that Barner would not make it through the harvesting of his blood, so it actually sounds like something you should support.
Maybe if you put down a tarp first. I don’t need that stain around any longer.
We will see. Some QBs have been well served by spending a couple years on the bench (Romo, Rodgers, others). Tyrod Taylor looked good last year but I doubt he would have been as good as a rookie. Wentz has two years of D1-AA experience… not normally good preparation for the NFL. He does have size, but to me it looked like he was accustomed to absorbing the DL hits, which he might have gotten away with in college but will need to develop instincts to avoid in the NFL. He played just a little and ended up with a fractured rib — the odds seem long on him staying healthy all season while trying to learn. But, sometimes learning by fire is best. We will see.
Mariota had a full three seasons as starter at a higher level though.
Rodgers is an anomaly because he was a 1st round pick sitting behind a HOF QB. Romo was an anomaly because undrafted free agent who was a third stringer.
On top of that, the only thing Wentz can learn watching Daniel play is what not to do…
Ouch
The only reason I think it may be a good idea to play him right away is because we are facing the crappy Browns and Bears to start the season
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The #Eagles have waived WR David Watford, but plan to bring him back to the practice squad if he clears waivers, per source.
Odd guy to use for a practice squad spot. Was he showing that much potential?
Conversion project with upside. Former QB who’s learning the position. Great candidate for practice squad imho.
I have a long list of “quarterbacks” who need to make that conversion sooner.
Barner, Barner, Barner, Barner…..
Webb, anyone?!
He already did. I’m more with some current guys who don’t play the game the right way.
If you watched the 4th preseason game, Mayock was saying the Iggles like him a lot and want to see what he looks like next year.
I try to avoid Mayock other than draft talk.
He’s so much better than most of the local hacks though.
Better than Baldy; sure. Would I rather have Kempski, Tommy, Sheil, Bowen on there……..yes.
With the exception of Bowen, I’d go for that. Bowen’s meh for me.
I’m a big Bowen fan. He’s well resourced and actually asks questions designed to get at information I’m entitled to know.
I read more than listen to guys live. Kempski, Tommy, and Sheil all consistently put out quality articles. I don’t have comcast sports anymore, so I don’t watch the after game stuff near as often.
Les is actually at his best on Twitter. And VERY responsive to questions / comments.
One of these centuries I’ll move to the 21st century and actually pay attention to Twitter 😛
Yep, I heard that. Honestly, though, Mayock’s put half the guys suited up for that game on our PS.
For anyone who says this is Dougie following Andy’s 1999 plan, it’s not even close. I can remember Andy saying over and over again that Donny was under a 5-year plan to learn the offense, even in year 3. Doug has never suggested Wentz would need years to master the offense, he seemed to infer just the opposite.
Seems similar in that “The rookie won’t start, he’ll sit and learn” talk was just spin to take initial pressure off.
No coach in their right mind today thinks he will have a 5 year leash… You are very fortunate to even see yeàr 3 if you aren’t winning games and improving from yeàr to year…times have changed
I prefer redshirting wentz but that’s out the window now
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I,get not wanting to “throw the kid to the wolves” but a case can be made for taking advantage of facing the bad Browns and Bears to let him get his feet wet against the bad teams rather than make his first game a division game, or one of the better teams on our schedule.
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Facing the Browns and Bears in back to back weeks May be the best time to put him in live action. We would have a chance to win those games with Wentz and let him build some confidemce
Maybe if he is 100% healthy, he could take reps with the starting O and prepare for the Browns or Bears. Sure would make the games interesting. If he’s not 100% in body and mind, plan on the Lions game in week 5.
Haha, Daniel unhappy. Let’s trade his a**.
Brutal. Who does Daniel think he is?
Valid question. I mean, was he actually assuming he was the heir apparent to Sam? He thought he was going to outshine Wentz in the long-run?
I mean, he’s got the contract and the hot wife… what is he *itching bout?
He’s spent so much time on the sideline I’m sure he really just wants a chance to play, and this seemed like the obvious situation. I’m sure he’ll play due to injury at some point, even if Wentz does go in the opener.
What’d Daniel say??
Don’t know – vague reports saying he’s unhappy….
That must mean that he was told Wentz is set to start. Otherwise he should be thrilled by this trade, no?
Hard to figure out.
So, grand total of deChipping the roster…
Howie turned Nick Foles, 10-15 spots in the first next year, some shuffled later picks, a second rounder, and a couple bad FA contracts into Carson Wentz and a second-fourth rounder?
If we ignore the chronology of the picks, we might end up getting Wentz for Foles without getting any fewer draft picks than before all of this? Is that right?
Edit: I think we might still be down a second rounder. Still Howie rocks.
I still think we’d be short a 2nd rounder in the whole deal.
Not bad.
Yeah, I edited after posting. I agree.
Under the best case scenario (ie we end up getting a first and second for Bradford) we will have had to give up Byron Maxwell, Kiko Alonzo, Sam Bradford and a 2015 3rd Rounder for Wentz.
Or if you want to go back to Foles, it’d be Maxwell, Alonzo, Foles, a 2015 2nd and 3rd rounder.
Is Chase Daniel even better than Case Keenum?
Is Chase Daniel even better than the Case of Beer in his gut? Fixed it for you.
Howie haters are having a tough time today.
Nothing will change, he will continue to be rated at the bottom of the media GM rankings. He will never get any credit unless Wenfz becomes at least as good as McNabb, hopefully better… It would look even better if Goeff ends up busting
Sure looks like Goff’s not heading the right direction already.
Howie will never get the credit he deserves short of Philly pulling a SB out of their a$$ this season.
I like the fact that he’s willing to adapt. Just because he made a past decision doesn’t necessarily mean that impacts the next one.
Even before this I think Howie has been better than he gets credit for
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As for this trade, think it’s pretty simple. The vikings made an offer that we can’t refuse for our lame duck QB…. Be very hard to justify passing up a 1st round pick and a 4th that can become as high as a second rpunder. If we passed up this opportunity, we would be lucky to get half of that value for SAM in the future..
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So while as a fan, I’d so much rather watch Bradford play all year and redshirt Wentz, I have to understand why they felt they couldn’t pass this up
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I assume fans would feel much different had we just traded SAM a week before the regular season for a 4th round pick… That would infuriated me
Howie’s drafting has been meh. What he does extremely well is wheel and deal. He’s also really good at knowing where the league values guys. He needs help with player evaluation and that’s where I think Joe Douglas could really improve this front office.
“He’s also really good at knowing where the league values guys.”
VITAL skill. Chip was terrible at this. Imagine having both TJ Clemmings AND Jordan Hicks right now.
Or getting any return on getting rid of DeSean or better compensation for McCoy.
true x 2
It would be interesting to know what the Vikings initially offered and how much Howie haggled.
I don’t know if Wentz is ready, but I’ve seen enough to know that Daniel is garbage.
Best part of this trade is our QB will no longer have the dumbest looking jersey in the league
Like a kid in a shirt 3 sizes too big for him.
2nd dumbest.
Look at this dimwit. Any jersey he’s in is automatically dumb.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nvD5k1XdmWc/VAxvlLTSL8I/AAAAAAAABm4/D6Lyvm3Qf2E/s1600/wnjdo_manning_761975.png
Wait, I think McLane is now saying that he was only speculating about Wentz starting game 1. And that the report didn’t come from the Eagles.. Hope THATS not true.
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The Browns defense is a joke, there won’t be a better team to start Wentz career against..,. Heck we may even be able to beat the Browns with Wentz playing which would be great to get the kid some confidences as well as the team believing they may actually still be able to win games even with the kid at QB..
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We won’t find an easier two game stretch than Browns and Bears to let Wentz ease his way in.. But if he is not prepared, that probably won’t matter
I had been pretty morose about my football year when Teddy went down. I guess this makes things better. Vikings have an offense again (Shaun Hill really needs to be retired), and I get to see Wentz.
I seriously doubt Sam Bradford will be all that great in MN. Sam is unlikely to be able to handle the pass rush. So if the Vikings’ line is like it was last year…I figure he’ll be injured again at some point.
Wonder if Wentz can stay healthy.
Of course, and I’m being entirely serious and rational about it…I honestly would prefer Webb back rather than Bradford. Cheaper, and we punt the season, get the high draft pick, and it’ll be more fun to watch the wreckage.
I heard a Panther fan on the radio the other day talking about not wanting to part with Webb.
Webb is the serious long-term back up if Cam got Teddied.
Derek Anderson would be a nightmare if you had to depend on him for multiple games.
There are just…WAY too many teacher’s pets at backup QB in the NFL.
Best job in pro sports, millions to hold a clipboard.
I’ll take relief pitcher since they pay even better and you never have to worry about needing to get smacked around.
the pitcher has to work. which is good if you like the hand in the till. Bad if you’re a teacher’s pet, because everyone can see regularly that you don’t belong.
Closer is the most clutch job in pro sports.
Relief pitcher . . . not closer. How many times have you seen a guy with a career era close to 5 getting paid 4 – 5 mil a season?
Backup QB job is extremely cushy, til the starter gets hurt. Then it turns into hell.
I know jackoff Ruben Amaro didn’t want to pay one extra one in 2009 when Lidge was shot; thus costing the Phillies a rightful repeat as champs.
Well that and being cheap at 3B.
Beating the Yankess in the WS would have been the ultimate.
Exactly. But GOD FORBID we spend a penny over the lux tax line to lock in a dynasty.
Yeah. Not keeping Lee after the Halladay trade was criminal. But the salary things were dictated to Amaro by the higher-ups.
A big mistake was made years earlier by trading away Polanco and keeping David Bell. Polanco would have solved the 3B issues much earlier for similar money. I think we would made the playoffs years earlier and may have won more than 1 WS.
Correct. That team should have won 4 straight. Constant penny pinching with the lineup was dictated by ownership, but brazenly defended by Amaro. So F him and F the owners.
What I remember most that year was ARod knocking the cover off the ball the entire post season.
Shame we lost to the damn Yankees. Still have fond memories of that era though.
Disgusting considering A Rod was, and is, known as a post season choke artist………….except in 2009.
Philly luck.
The Phils were such a great collection of athletes with personality.
The teacher’s pet aren’t guys like fitzgerald or Mccown…those era 5 guys. We’re talking ERA 10 guys.
True on both counts.
Another thing to consider is Sam has almost no time before the start of the season to start building a rapport with his new teammates, that could hurt him out of the gate.
I’m tempted to put on 94.1 or 97.5 to hear what the hosts spins are…
Generally positive, mostly just surprised. Generally debunking the negative fans who are calling in saying that we are tanking now and will be significantly worse.
They are just mostly surprised/shocked.
Resist the urge.
It wasn’t that bad around 10AM (97.5) when the news broke about the Bradford trade. Seems like the consensus is that the trade is great and you have to be an idiot to hate it.
If you want to invest some money in a football gift to yourself; get a subscription to Sirius. The NFL station there, when Bob Papa isn’t on, is great.
Running tally of players released:
QB Sam Bradford(traded)
QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson
RB Byron Marshall
WR David Watford
DE Jake Metz
LB Myke Tavarres
LB Quentin Gause
S Blake Countess
I want Gause on the practice squad. Showed the most upside and consistency of the backup linebackers and gawd knows we need LB depth.
True. He’s just a tad stupid on the football IQ level now. A year on the squad would improve that greatly.
Time to remedy the mistake of taking Countess in the 6th round over Travis Feeney. Feeney was released by the Steelers because he really doesn’t fit 3-4 OLB………………..but he’d be a great backup SAM here as he ads weight and dominates on special teams.
I expect Howie to get it done.
No surprises there, Countess didn’t show up in any way really.
Given how bad of a reach he was; I’m not shocked.
I think we need to take a moment to marcel at the steely nerve of Howie.
Back when Bradford was causing a ruckus and wanted to go to Denver, Howie held his cards and bluffed everyone. He made everyone believe Sam was not on the market. Little did we know he simply wasn’t biting on Denver’s offer, despite facing an insubordinate QB.
He calmed Bradford, assured everyone he was unavailable at any price, and looked willing to go into the season with a fortune tied up on QBs.
Then, at the very last moment, he gets a better price than anyone hoped because no one still believed he was selling.
Don’t invite Howie to poker night.
Howie has been absolutely destroying it since he came back into power. At this point, I can’t understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with Howie as the guy to be in charge.
There will always be haters.
reality – Chase has thrown 75 more NFL passes than Carson Wentz
Wow. But not a good “wow.”
But he can’t know anything, Howie isn’t a football guy!!
The team has not played a game yet. We need to see how Roseman’s moves pan out to fully judge. That is not unreasonable or hating. That is reality.
He has changed the HC, most of the coaching staff, completed a FA period, made multiple trades, completed a draft and altered many parts of the roster.
Most of the signs are positive so far, but again the goal is to win playoff games and a SB ultimately. If Roseman wins consistently and captures the SB, he will go down as the best GM in Eagles history. That is the standard of most Eagle fan’s expectations IMO. If he fails, he’ll be like every other one with some portion of the fan base supporting him and some glad he is gone.
We’ll know a lot more at the end of this season; Wentz and Pederson are the two biggest cogs of the Roseman wheel. If they pan out, we should be in good shape.
It always helps when a contending team loses their starting QB right before the season starts. Howie did good, but this isn’t wizardry IMO.
BTW, don’t get me wrong, I like it 🙂
Adam Schefter
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Browns trading former first-round CB Justin Gilbert to the Pittsburgh Steelers, per league source. Rare in-division trade.
I was wondering if a Gilbert trade was possibility. I was theorizing a Gilbert for Rowe swap.
Gilbert has no heart. Steelers fans will hate him.
When you get drafted by Cleveland, they rip out your heart at the same time as they give you a jersey.
The players or the fans?
The state of Ohio itself.
The players. I’m assuming that the team gives you back your heart when you return your playbook. But that doesn’t explain Trent Richardson.
In a day and age where almost no RB’s go in the 1st round, they took a guy who’s production in college was at least 60 if not 70% OL dominance. smh @ Cleveland’s FO.
It works exactly like how they do it in the Temple of Doom.
Temple needs to be put in the Temple of Doom and burnt to death in a lava pit; WTF was that choke vs. Army last night?
Maybe they are going to trade for Hart next?
Oh god no. Can’t really cover or tackle.
LOL!
Someone just took Ryan Matthews in the first round of our FF draft!
Good grief. Mathews makes Cranberry juice Kendricks look like an iron man.
Have any extra spots in that leauge…? Seems winable
I think I could be competitive and I’ve never played fantasy. Not once.
Well that’s excessive
Is an overdraft for sure – but he is a target for me, especially if Wentz is the starting QB. Think we will run the ball effectively and he is a productive RB when healthy with not much else as a reliable first 2 down back.
Draft Matthews and then work hard to find 1-2 upside RB’s for the 2nd half of the season for when he is getting injured.
Double edged sword on Mathews. I drafted him at the end of the 5th round of one of my 10-person leagues which I thought was an absolute steal and at first I thought the Bradford trade was great news for him as a fantasy RB, but now I’m not so sure.
1) he’ll now get more usage which is good, but more usage for him almost always means more injuries
2) more running and a rookie QB/Daniel means the offense will most likely take a step back and score less. Less red zone opportunities means less TDs for Mathews.
Either way Mathews should be a target for everyone in fantasy drafts. He’s way undervalued going in the 5th or even 6th rounds in a lot of drafts. For a guy who’s a clear cut starter with little competition on the roster that’s a bargain anyway you look at it.
My plan is to take him in the 4th if available in my draft next week. The injury risk i am not that concerned about – you can find RB production late season by being active on the waiver wire and finding one of the 2-3 break out RB’s due to injury you get every year. Matthews can help you win games early while that process works itself out and is a quality pick up if you go WR heavy early.
So what other shoes are dropping today?
I’m hoping for…………………………..
– trading of Kendricks
– signing of Travis Feeney
– extra roster spot to keep Rowe here
A Trade of Kendricks won’t happen mainly due to $6m of dead money..
It is only a net loss of $1.8 million. And frees up $6.6 next year.
Almost certainly stuck w/Kendricks. Still hoping he pulls his head out of his ass, but not counting on it.
He’s more likely to pull another muscle and milk it for double (or more) of the needed time off.
I almost prefer that then when he goes out and obviously can’t run the way he can when healthy. Healthy, he’s a decent, not great, cover LB. Injured, even mildly knicked, he’s a disaster. All athleticism no technique.
Pop in the San Diego game from 2013; he can’t cover at all.
HOF TE, but yeah. He was brutal that game.
Didn’t have HOF stat lines in that season however. Kendricks is the kind of guy who makes everybody he covers have a career day.
Guess this is going to shoot a hole in our 53-man predictions…
You guys should have had more faith in the power of MBT
Any other Chip Kelly mistakes that Howie hasn’t cleaned up yet?
Is the smoothie machine still on site?
Training camp being hidden in plain sight at Nova Care instead of on a college campus where it belongs.
I expected you to say Barner but that’s true too.
True, but the Barner thing will be cleaned up by time. Who knows when they’ll right the training camp wrong.
Just need to DJax, Maclin, Mathis, and McCoy back and we’re good to go.
I’d disagree on Maclin. He’s not worth what KC paid him.
$11 AAV over 5 years is a bad overpay for 87-1088-8
Salary cap is going up. It would have hamstrung the Eagles a bit capwise, but keeping him may have changed so much other stuff. We wouldn’t have drafted Agholor, for example.
I would have much rather have keep that $ with DeSean.
Well, that was a year earlier. Chip at least wanted to keep Maclin, unlike DeSean. I’m still not sold on DeSean in the playoffs vs good secondaries, but he opens up so much stuff for everyone else.
I’d call the quarterbacking into question for those playoff performances. If you looked at the “highlights” of Keean “blanketing” DeSean in the Saints game; DeSean could have been thrown open if Foles would have pulled the trigger.
Yeah, one game doesn’t really say for sure. But to my memory, DeSean piled up most of his stats vs the poorer secondaries in the regular season. Really fun to watch though, and I do miss that.
If you let a guys like Matthews, DGB, and Etrz all work underneath DeSean right now, you’d be WAY better off.
Yep. But you need other good WRs, which makes it hard to pay DeSean like a true #1.
True, but Matthews and DGB aren’t making squat right now.
Under his old Eagles contract DeSean would have been making $8M this year. That’s on the low end of WR1 money.
Under his perpetual attitude I bet we would have seen some complaining! And I’m the biggest DeSean fan here.
That’s actually a virtual certainty. DeSean was already clamoring for more guaranteed money after the Saints playoff loss his last year here. But, he did sign a contract that season with $16M guaranteed and only average annual salaries of $6M. His cap hits in Washington have been $4.25M, $9.25M, and $9.25M. Still not unreasonable. With a $5M signing bonus and only $16M guaranteed there’s a lot of ways you could have structured that. But, with the way the cap works now-a-days where any unused cap is automatically rolled forward it doesn’t really matter whether you spend the money now or later. Either way it seems like you could have made Jackson happy with a contract that had average cap hits of $6-7M a year. That’s really not too unreasonable.
OMG yes. He’d have whined his way off the team by now regardless.
He played well his rookie year against Peterson and the Cardinals. That year he had 11 catches for 2017 yards and 1 TD in the playoffs. 2009 was McNabbs last game against Dallas when the entire offense got completely shut down. He had 3 catches for 14 yards in that game, 2010 he only had 2 catches for 49 yards against GB. And 2013, he had 3 catches for 59 yards against the Saints.
Pretty small sample size. He hasn’t had a big playoff game since 2008, but that was also the last time he had decent QB play. I’d still rather have him out there than Cooper, Austin, Agholar.
Yea Chip wanted to keep Maclin but not enough to return the dudes calls during FA or make him feel wanted at all. Maclin’s agent came right out after he signed in KC and said Jeremy wanted to stay in Philly and would have accepted less to stay, but when they tried to call Chip like 7 times and he never returned their phone calls, Maclin was like screw this, they seem to really want me in KC and I want to go somewhere where I’m valued.
Right, that was the period the Chiefs were not allowed to call Maclin but did anyways (and lost a draft pick because of it). That may have more been Chip’s inexperience (presuming others would follow the rules) and thinking he had another day to talk with Maclin.
Howie can get him for $2.99 plus tax.
Today? Probably. If you told me Howie had made a fortune selling ice to eskimos I wouldn’t be shocked today.
Yes, unless he rents a van and kidnaps Jeremy Maclin.
I think you meant to say DeSean
I’d much rather have Maclin back than DeSean.
I’ll remain opposite of that.
Sorry, MM. I’m with Duracell. Maclin’s not the big play threat that Desean is, but he’s a much more complete receiver.
And the much easier skill set to replace. Jackson is the much rarer talent.
Because Agholor was supposed to be a better version of Maclin, right??
That’s not my fault. Although if you’d taken John Brown over Huff………………….we’d be alright without DeSean.
Young receivers, young QB. That is how you build it.
Truly a new era… Heath Evans picking EAGLES to win the div.
!@#$ me . . . the sky is falling. Now I know we’re gonna suck 😛
How many of 7 seals are left then?
6… one just opened in Minnesota…
The Jets are cutting former 1st round pick Dee Millner. Tried to trade him.
Bama DBs have a tough time covering in the NFL.
Do remember that many folks thought he wasn’t all that great, but was the best of a bad CB class so was probably going to be overdrafted.
Was he in the class with Lane?
Yes, 9th overall. Next CB was Desmond Trufant at #22, and Xavier Rhodes at #25.
Yeah. Wasn’t a great year for top of the draft prospects period that year.
Yep, that is where I was going with that question. What a shitty year to earn a top-5 pick.
Which also means we won’t get more than a cond. 7th rounder in 2021 for Eric Rowe…
He’s not one of the 53 best, but if we want any return on investment, we’re going to have to keep him on the squad.
I’m thinking best they can do might be player-for-player swap.
I don’t get why everyone is so down on how Rowe played. He has things to clean up if he ever wants to start again, but he rarely gets beat cleanly. His issues have much more to do with playing the ball. I think the Eagles would be nuts to get rid of him.
He doesn’t make plays on the ball in front of him. He wasn’t beaten deep much last year, but against the Jets, he was really poor on the deep ball. Turned the wrong way on one. Panicked and was called for interference on another. Could have been called for interference on a 3rd.
This was against the Jets scrubs, not starters. Rowe still has talent, but he really played poorly against the Jets. Worse, he seems to think he played well. I know corners need short memories, but that’s straight out delusional.
Sure, I don’t disagree with those criticisms. We’re talking about the 5th CB here, though. I’d rather go with the guy with #1 upside who actually actually performed well in NFL games, albeit in a limited sample. I think people tend to overreact to preseason games, but I’m nowhere near ready to give up on the guy.
That all said, I’d like to keep both of them.
plus he already demonstrated last year that he can play with proper technique and play the ball well. He seemed to regress in that area this year, but it’s not like he’s proven incapable of doing it the right way. Actually, quite the opposite.
It’s the same argument as people have with the Turner question. Do you reward the less talented but demonstrably better player in preseason or do you keep the more talented but less consistent player?
Most of the board is all over “we must keep Turner.” Yet I’ve heard quite a few of the same people want to keep Rowe.
On merit, based on how he’s played most recently, Rowe doesn’t belong on the team. I still think he might make it, mainly because I don’t think Howie will want to give up on a 2nd rounder one year after he was drafted, even if he wasn’t his pick.
There’s a big difference there. We don’t have a much more talented WR that we’re planning on cutting to make room for PT. We’re either going with just 4 WR or we’re going to end up cutting someone like Pantale or Josh Andrews to make room for PT.
Plus it’s not like CJ has played so exceptionally well that I feel compelled to keep him. Hell, if Grymes didn’t get injured he’d have beat out CJ by a mile.
In addition to all of that, CB has two set starters in McKelvin and Carroll, plus two other guys set to get playing time in nickel and dime sets in Mills and Brooks. So 5th CB is unlikely to make much of a difference. WR is completely different. You have Matthews who plays the slot set in stone. After that both outside WR spots are completely open. You’ve got DGB who is new to the team, Agholar who can’t catch a cold right now and Huff who, well…who knows what he is, fighting for two spots. There’s actually a reasonable opening for a guy who gets open on third downs, catches everything thrown his way and moves the chains to make an impact this year.
And, my own personal bias is that WR is a position where it’s much easier to succeed without elite speed/size than CB. Surely elite measureables help immensely at either position, but I see a lot more Wayne Chrebets and Hines Wards and Danny Amendolas make impacts than I see shorter slower CBs.
Agreed on most of that, except they released both Givens and Randall who were both markedly more talented than Turner. Randall’s even got decent career numbers to back that up.
Both Smith and Grymes outplayed Rowe this preseason. Injury derailed Grymes and I’m not convinced Smith’s is far less talented than Rowe. Rowe’s got more upside, no doubt, but the poor technique and inability to adjust to a more aggressive system is really disturbing.
Good points on Givens and Randall. Well, Randall for sure, Givens just hasn’t done anything in about 4 years. Randall I was kind of shocked they cut, but his attitude and lack of effort must have been really bad.
And, you’re right, I am talking about Smith like his a 5’8″ guy who ran a 4.7. He’s certainly not physically handicapped at the position.
Preference-wise though for me, I’d like to see us keep Rowe. I think with 5th CB I’d prefer to go with the guy who has the highest upside and who played pretty damn well in real NFL games against good competition last year over the undrafted rookie FA who I see as imminently replaceable. Now if someone wants to trade us something of value for Rowe I’m all for it. The drop off to CJ isn’t much at all at the moment so if we can turn one of them into draft picks go for it.
At WR though I think 4 WR is not enough, we should carry 5. And, I see PT adding actual value to the offense this year, as opposed to either Rowe or CJ who I see as developmental prospects with little shot at playing time baring serious injuries to more than one player in front of them.
Agreed on all of that except Turner making an impact. I just don’t think he’s fast enough to get open against starting quality corners. He’s a liability on ST.
Admittedly, I could be completely wrong on Turner. Wayne Chrebet is the prototype for guys who aren’t big enough or fast enough yet somehow made an impact. I’m actually rooting for Turner to prove me wrong. I just don’t expect it.
Probably means we keep Rowe instead of CJ Smith despite Smith outplaying him. Unless Howie’s willing to choke on cutting a 2nd rounder the year after he was drafted.
And Jace Amaro as well.
And also Jason Mraz getting cut
Evidently, he wasn’t “the Remedy” to the situation.
Temple’s Matt Ioannidis (5th rd pick) cut by Redskins.
Wow, that’s brutal.
Howie turned Nick Foles and a 2nd into a 1st and a 4th that could become a 2nd. When does he get fitted for his wizard hat?
Gandalf style or David Duke style?
wow definitely gandalf style…
team has a losing record in that time
First off that has nothing to do with anything. Aside from winning record having nothing at all to do with how masterfully Howie has worked a succession of trades, the “in that time” that you’re referring to is a single season where they went 7-9 at the hands of Chips buffoonery,, cleaned house and just now completed the succession of trades that I was talking about that could put us in a position to be very successful. So since completing those moves the Eagles are 0-0.
I guess Right before the 2000 season you would have said that Andy Reid was a loser and drafting Donovan McNabb was a terrible decision because ever since then the Eagles had a losing record.
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Running tally of players released(10 off team – 12 more coming):
QB Sam Bradford(traded)
QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson
RB Byron Marshall
WR David Watford
WR Marcus Johnson
DE Jake Metz
DT Aziz Shittu
LB Myke Tavarres
LB Quentin Gause
S Blake Countess
Update: Marcus Johnson added. PS spots reportedly offered to Marshall, Watford, and Johnson if they aren’t claimed.
OT but Houston beating 3rd ranked Oklahoma 19-17 in 3rd. Oklahoma burned two timeouts already after sending FG unit out on 4th and 18 from Houston’s 35-36. Turning out to be huge game. Missed it short. Returned for TD ! 26-17 if they make XP. Under review but will stand.
LMAO . . . Houston just might upset Oklahoma. Doing it on a returned missed FG attempt is just salt in the wound.
I love watching the “big” football programs go down.
I agree, but I’m not going to enjoy continued unjustified fluffing of Ward as a result.
Enjoy. AR will draft him.
Shittu released
Hope our front office isn’t being too lax about dumping Shittu.
was waiting on a pun
Thanks for putting that one on the tee.
Glad it wentz well for ya.
no… I tried
Shittu flushed?
So Dee Millner cut and Justin Gilbert traded for a 2018 6th rounder. Howie might not get more than two 3rds for Rowe.
In all honesty, I don’t see how Rowe gets us anything.
So let’s just keep him and see if he develops. We’re only going with two QBs for now.
Arizona cut WR Brittan Golden. Guy to keep an eye on.
How about Braverman being cut from the Bears?
Any Bears’ player is possibility due to Douglas being there previously, but I don’t know if he’s upgrade from Turner as backup slot guy.
He’s 28 though.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
23s23 seconds ago
Packers planning to cut former Pro Bowl G Josh Sitton today, source says.
This guy hasn’t really fallen off much. Not sure why they cut him other than maybe for cap room to extend other players.
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Do you really think we need to upgrade at G now? I want 3 or 4 new T’s in the next year but G, nah.
Agreed. Actually happy with the G situation this season. Not nearly as certain at Tackle.
If it means better protection for Wentz, even if just as a backup in case a starter goes down, absolutely.
Now that we’re all but committed to putting Carson on the field, protect him, protect him, protect him.
That said, fully agree on OT being the bigger need. Hope that’s what Minny’s 1st rounder nets us.
I don’t see the Eagles pursuing him. Noteworthy player being cut though. I see the Giants being one of teams that target him.
Got ya.
I think the Giants should be having open tryouts for OL. They were dreadful this preseason.
Um … Barbre
uh, Seumalo….uh…. wiz…
yea I’m not impressed with any of them really
But you know the other guy is better?
I didn’t say anything about the “other guy”. You said, “Do you really think we need to upgrade at guard?” And I said, “ummm….Barbre” as in Barbre is our starting LG so I think upgrading there is something we should strongly consider. I know nothing about the other guy. I just know that guard is an area that could and should be upgraded.
Probably did something weird during the national anthem.
Refs just missed an obvious facemask in the Houston Oklahoma game. They really don’t play defense in the Big 12 anymore.
Houston up 33-17 over #3 Sooners in late 3rd.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the pick we get from Minnesota turns out to be better than the one we sent to Cleveland.
I would be.
Eagles win SB, ship 32nd pick to Cleveland. Minnesota finishes 2-14. Eagles get #1 overall pick.
The chances are 0, but man what a dream scenario.
Betting on same range.
Such a weird day/few months for Oklahoma, alumns, current team…. I’m totally neutral on that school other then general light haterism against NCAAF powerhouse southern school, but… weird
I have disliked them going back to the Swizter days and I have no love for Oklahoma. Tulsa isn’t bad but I could leave OKC and hate when I have to go out there to deal with a guy who does engine restorations. Leave the rest of the state too. Same rednecks you have in MS or AL now with mini earthquakes over much of the state
Our conditional 4th round pick becomes a 3rd in 2018 if Vikings reach the NFCG this year. If they win the SB then it will become a 2nd.
So better root against them this year to receive a high 1st in 2017!!!
Yes rather they blow than get a Slight better pick in 18
Eliot Shorr-Parks
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Things are looking good for DT Destiny Vaeao and CB CJ Smith. #Eagles
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Both are bubble players, but both have at least earned serious consideration. Good for them.
He says teamates think Turner makes it too.
What about Gordon and Means?
At this time of the day I will be in pure shock if PT doesn’t make this team.
ESP (booo – can’t stand him, but getting legit scoop from someone at novacare today) – said teammates seem to think Turner made the team.
So no one’s going to do it? The caps thing? about the trade only an idiot would believe could happen?
Moritz Boringer cut – go get him. Kinda silly I know but I want it to happen.
Here here.
Oklahoma turnover!
Re: Historical Note on Bradford Trade
In the 46 years since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger . . .
– Only 6 QBs have been traded in-season (incl season’s eve) for a 1st Rd pick.
– Bradford’s only the second QB traded for a 1st Rd pick in the last 26 years.
(Carson Palmer, from CIN to OAK on 10/18/11, was the other.)
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Here’re the details on the other trades:
10/02/70:
Vikings trade 32 year-old Joe Kapp — who led Minn to the 1969 SB the previous January — to the Patriots for a 1972 1st, used to select MLB Jeff Siemon (4x PB, 5x All conf, 3x SB).
** Kapp had been a hold-out and forced the trade.
** Vikings go 12-2 without Kapp. Pats go 2-12, get 1st overall pick and take Jim Plunkett in ’71 draft.
10/22/74:
Dallas trades 31 y.o. Craig Morton — languishing behind Roger Staubach — to the Giants for NY’s 1975 1st Rd pick — which ends up being the 2nd overall pick used for HOF DT Randy White
** Morton goes 8-25 in 2.5 years for the NYG.
10/22/74:
Rams trade 34 y.o. John Hadl to the Packers for GB’s 1975 1st, 2nd, 3rd Rd picks *plus* 1976 1st, 2nd. (Of the 5 picks, only Rams ’76 2nd Rd pick CB Pat Thomas has any impact, becoming a 2x PB in a brief five-year career.)
** Packers release Hadl after 1.5 seasons and a 7-12 record.
08/30/76:
Dallas trades 24 y.o. Clint Longley to the Chargers for SD’s 1977 1st, 2nd Rd picks — which Dallas use to trade up to second overall to select HOF RB Tony Dorsett
** Longley — remembered for a dramatic last-second Thanksgiving Day win over rival Washington in ’74 and for punching Roger Staubach in the mouth in ’76 training camp — started just 1 game for SD before being cut and never playing in the NFL again.
09/18/86:
Oilers trade 23 y.o. rookie 1st Rd pick Jim Everett to the Rams for LA’s 1st Rd picks in ’87, ’88 plus OT Kent Hill and (future Eagle) DE William Fuller — with Houston drafting WR Haywood Jeffries and using the other 1st to acquire Raider DE Sean Jones
09/25/90:
Dallas trades 23 y.o. Steve Walsh to the Saints for a 1991 1st, 3rd Rd picks — which the Cowboys use to select DT Russell Maryland and OT Erik Williams (‘nough said.)
10/18/11:
Bengals trade 32 y.o. Carson Palmer to the Raiders for 2012 1st, 2nd Rd picks — which Cincy uses on CB Dre Kirkpatrick and RB Giovanni Bernard
** Palmer had “retired” rather than return to the Bengals
** Andy Dalton, 2011 2nd Rd pick, became Cincy’s starting QB
Nice compilation. Sure doesn’t look all that good for Minnesota if history is any indicator.
Then again, neither does our trade up for Wentz.
Admittedly, but it sure looks better today than it did before. We traded up, but ultimately, we’re going to have almost as many picks as if we hadn’t. That’s an exceptional job by Howie and the FO.
Plus, the fact that they feel this confident about Wentz before the season even starts is comforting.
Got to be disheartening to Rams fans though 😛
I didn’t even think of that, but ouch, yeah. Get him with 1st overall, trade him for a 2nd and a scrub. Watch him get traded for a 1st +.
Was thinking about the Went vs. Goff angle more, but that just doubles it.
At least if Goff doesn’t work out, another team will have the privilege of having Jeff Fisher as their new head coach in a few years.
Now there’s a guy who’s made out of teflon. Had a decent run in Tennessee and is still living off the aura of LOSING a Super Bowl.
Nice post and equally as nice to see you back posting again.
Walsh traded always get overlooked too and it really was critical to that Boys’ dynasty in the early 90s.
ACV, your historical lens is much appreciated.
Maybe we just roll with Carson and Chase and keep this as our contingency plan:
https://twitter.com/cbssportsnet/status/772133122422902785
Makes me worried about the preparation skills of the US Navy…Or is just an embodiment of what the draft truly means?
Next Man Up. Never surrender.
Does Rowe’s outstanding special teams ability make cutting him less likely if no trade happens?
Yes IMO.
Probably. That and his 2nd rounder last season probably keeps him on the team. Just hope Smith survives too.
ESP (gasp) thinks Smith is safe for first 53.
Still waiting for a real source . . .
can’t blame you – at all
There’s room for both of them. This assumes they don’t do something dumb like keep Pantale.
Yes and you can wait for someone to get desperate for CBs ala a lesser but similar situation to what went down with sleeves earlier today
Possibly, but I will be worried if not getting a day 3 pick is enough to sway a roster decision. Getting a sixth rounder for Rowe and keeping Smith is the best course of action, but without the trade they’d rather keep Rowe over Smith? That sounds more link rationalization than valuation.
So, the roster is at 72 (minus Bradford, Shittu, Tavarres) with 45 minutes to go? Are we going to get 19 cuts in one blast?
Isn’t it due tomorrow at 4?
Today
Rosters not at 72. There are 10 known cuts/trades:
Bradford, Bethel-Thompson, Marshall, Watford, Marcus Johnson, Shittu, Gause, Tavarres, Countess, Metz
Thanks.
Wow, not much chatter on the other guys. People act like something big happened.
Man, they’re not going to announce the cuts officially until like 3:58, are they?
First surprise to me:
Brett Tessler
@TesslerSports
1m1 minute ago
The Philadelphia Eagles have just informed us that C/G Josh Andrews has again made their 53-man roster. Was with them all last season.
Honestly, not thrilled with that one. Wiz, Seo, Brooks, Kelce is enough interior guys for me. Rather keep a developmental guy than Andrews who made no impact on the team last year when there was zero guard talent on the team.
He has the same agent as Carson Wentz.
**snort**
If that’s the criteria for who stays and goes, I withdraw every nice thing I said about Howie.
He only made 23% of the rosters in our Google Form.
(Bradford was on 100%, Shittu 0%, Tavarres 6%)
Howie will be on CSN Sportsnite (starting now 3:30 pm Saturday) to talk about the deal. Ray Diddy on right now.
The PC itself is at 4 according to Eagles? Imagine it’s after cuts announced. Maybe that’s pre stuff at 3:30?
Seems so.
Yea, not sure, they only teased it so I have no idea what time Roseman will be on i.e. before or after the official PC about cuts
I would imagine the PC will be about both trade and cuts.
Duh, but still good to see confirmation from an outsider…
https://twitter.com/markdominikespn/status/772089719668736000
In other news . . . water is wet, the sky is blue and grass is green. Back to you, Mark.
Ed Reynolds gone
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
52s52 seconds ago
The #Eagles cut DB Ed Reynolds, who had a pick-6 a few days ago against the #Jets. Former 5th rounder from 2014.
Noooo. I liked Ed. 🙁
If only he played like that a few years ago…
Yeah Reynolds would have been a godsend before Jenkins arrived.
yeah I was hoping to keep Ed as a 5th safety instead of keeping a 6th corner like CJ
We have a pair of Safeties that unless they are injured are going to be our starting safeties for the next 3 years due to their contracts. Watkins showed he was the best option as the backup and having a 5th Safety really does not add anything to the roster.
Think we will try and draft safeties pretty regularly in the mid to late rounds over the 2017-2019 to get a pipeline of talent for when Jenkins starts declining… but Reynolds timeline really does not match that need.
Shame, but I guess its the numbers game.
You know its a shame Metz isn’t gonna get a crack at the PS… but I suppose we can bring him to camp next year because I doubt anyone will snatch him up.
Practice squads typically have a lot of churn so you never know .
He said he was only 255 lbs on Thursday. He need to get another 10-15 lbs on his frame to have a shot.
sitting down to day dream about getting Leonard Fournatte now that we have a first round pick again… Unlikely Vikings will be bad enough to get him..
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But don’t miss the return of future Eagle RB Nick Chubb against UNC!! #ChubbGivesEaglefansaChub
He’s my wet dream.
Wentz/Fournett would be a nasty tandem to build around
Scary…but don’t get my hopes up please.
Just imagine if Bradford gets hurt. Then the Vikes will be in some shit.
True that!
He will never get hurt though..
Bradford turns the wrong way on handoff, crashes in AP, they both tear ACL’s. #1stoverall.
This is Bradford we’re talking about. There’s always the chance he trips walking back to the sideline and re-tears both acl’s.
My dream is mccaffey. Reminds me of a better Westbrook. Best overall rb in the draft
Wentz/Fournette. Vs. Prescott/Elliott
Again rather McCaffery.
I like him, but Im hoping that Wendall smallwood will be good enough to where we don’t need a similr RB like McCaffery, so we can replace Ryan Mathews with a Fournett or a Nick Chubb.
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McCaffery/smallwood may be too similar of a pairing. If Smallwood ISNT legit, than Id be very interested in McCaffery
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I wonder if being a white RB will work against him in the draft? It be nice if these things didn’t matter in our society, on the other hand trying to find a quality white RB has been like looking for a Unicorn in recent times… But Ed certainly is a bad man, comes with the pedigree. If one kid can break this stigma, it would be him
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Fournatte is my Dream, Nick Chubb is my realistic target, assuming his injury is completely behind him of course..
I think McCaffery will be a better pro RB than those two, so Smallwood does not move the needle for me
If Bradford plays to his career marks they’re looking at a 7-9 season.
I can imagine Howie desperately holding 3 cell phones trying to make more trades, while a buzzer is there to notify him right before 4:00 pm.
Ahem, MM
https://mobile.twitter.com/TesslerSports/status/772159532457865216
Congrats and Browns 2016 is an oxi-moron?
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Mostert rushed for 245 yards with 5 TDs against the Eagles on opening gameday?!
and Wentz threw for 500yards and 6 TDs against the Browns after tbeir GM publically went on Record claiming he didn’t think wentz would be a top 20 QB, basically spitting in our Qbs face saying he wasn’t worth the pick, łet alone what we traded to get him.
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Love to see Wentz really stick It to the Browns for being so unprofessional that they would say some shit like that
ironic would not be the first word to come to mind.
Yes, pour gasoline on MM’s Barner hate.
I can feel his hate burning from where I sit.
Dianna Russini
@diannaESPN
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The Denver Broncos are making Aqib Talib available for a trade for the right price per multiple sources.
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Pointless for us now… im sure the Browns would part with Joe Haden for the right price too
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We are clearly building for the future so no point in giving up crazy value for those type of veterans
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Heck Lane Johnson suspension isn’t that big of a deal now that we are going yoûng this year instead of contending for the division…
Rowe for Talib straight up.
Apologize if already discussed, but what are the salary cap implications of the trade?
$5.5M in dead cap for 2016 and 2017
Actually I think its 11 this year and nothing next year
My source.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/sam-bradford-6510/
ok
Not that it is hugely important – with cap roll overs which year it accounts for really is not important unless you are hard against the cap.
However the June 1st, deadline may well only be for cuts, not for trades. OTC (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles/) seems to suggest that trades accelerate the entire cap charge to the Eagles in 2016.
That is correct. And, I believe with the June 1st designation it’s not automatic. You have the choice to designate someone with half of the cap hit this year and half next year if you do it after june 1st but you don’t have to.
Yea I saw that, but I’m not sure if that’s completely accurate, I’ve seen a couple other sources say that the full $11M is this year. Not sure what the truth is year.
Um, what are we doing at LB?
WTF?!
Goode cut…why?
That is a shocker.
That’s a head scratcher. Especially since we’re so thin at LB?! Doesn’t make sense to me.. for now!
OMG . . . . We’re depending on both Kendricks and Bradham to stay healthy the entire season? Howie . . . . you’re testing my faith right after performing a miracle!!!!
And Hicks. Even if they are planning to make a move there I don’t understand it at all.
Final 53 is generally the coach’s final say.
LB additions will be coming.
yup *rubs hands together*
Still don’t understand it. Was he in the coaches doghouse for a reason?!
Actually thought he played pretty well this preseason with the exception of that bad missed tackle late against the Jets.
As good as the Bradford trade was, this makes no sense unless they already have someone lined up.
How many times as Najee Goode been cut and resigned before…maybe they just figure that he’ll still be available if they need him and don’t need to keep him on the 53
Juggling lit dynamite.
Zero times.
Bucs cut him in 2013 and we claimed him on waivers.
Has not been cut since.
Najee Goode cut.
John Clark CSN
@JClarkCSN
54s54 seconds ago
#Eagles cuts. Paul Turner on team for now. Najee Goode and Cody Parkey cut
It won’t allow me to cut-and-paste to pdf showing who Eagles cut but you can find it.
Ravens cut RB Justin Forsett.
Loved him two years ago. Think he might be done though..
yea and two years ago was a catching lightning in a bottle one year wonder type situation.
Lol think he was drafted in every fantasy league i did
5 dollars to whoever posts the full cut list.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JClarkCSN/status/772162032649007105/photo/1
So the only shocker is goode, and they aren’t holding onto Greene, but this means that Turner made it and so did Dillon Gordon.
For now…
The Goode and Green cuts are the only ones I really disagree with.
No LB depth and I thought Greene was better than Andrews.
Thanks for the post Dave.
Maybe Rowe will be traded for a LB
WTF? Why would they cut Goode? He can play ST too.. Im baffled
Yeah that one is a head scratcher, guess we’ll have to wait and see the full plan.
The only move today I’m not getting
So much for Elliot Shor Parks “reports” about Rowe getting cut
bring on the ESP hate… please sir, can I have some more?
It’s still a very fluid roster…
I hope it doesn’t happen to Rowe, but someone who just made the cut isn’t going to be sticking around.
There has never been a hackier hack that ever hacked as hard as that hackster
Basically…
I can only think that Schwartz does not particularly like Goode – and/or he has a target that they think they will get via waivers or trade for Rowe…
Yea…there’s literally no depth at LB on this team…except Tulloch.
Except Tulloch cannot play outside. CAN NOT. As bad as Kendricks has been in coverage, he’s Willie T compared to Tulloch.
Dillon Gordon made the final 53, but Greene did not… Interesting.
Yeah Tom predicted that, but I thought it would be Green on roster and Dillon to PS
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Assume they try to PS Greene
Really pleased he flashed a lot of talent to me in games – which is all you can ask for someone converting to a new position. Will be fun to see how he looks in 2017 when he has had a solid year of coaching and training.
Damn they went heavy on DL… 11 Deep!
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I figured would would keep all 6 DE’s, but I figured it would mean we only keep 4 DTs, but we kept 5 anyway… And im thrilled for it because Baeu, Hart and Destiny all looked good
Roseman presser coming up now.
Howie’s got back most of what he traded to go up and get Wentz. So far he’s out a 2018 second round pick. And, like Charley Casserly just said, he’s got two years to recoup that pick and I’m betting on Howie to get a second pick back by that time.
He got a 2018 4th . We also have extra pick now in 2017. We have Browns 4th. So we’re already in pretty good shape.
You ha e to account for the Bradford aquistion price too.
The decision to sign Bradford was Chips. Then Howie comes in and has to decide what to do with that. I think you take it from there, he then resigns Bradford, trades up for Wentz, and recoups most of the cost for the trade up by trading Bradford.
Otherwise how far do you go back, we spent a 3rd on Foles. Should we account for that too? But we only spent that 3rd rounder on Foles because the 2nd rounder we spent on Kolb didn’t work out. But, then again we traded Kolb for a 2nd and DRC, so should we account for that too? I say no. Just start at the logical point where Howie regained control and what he did with the assets available at that time.
I keeping score for the Eagles. Dont care who called the play. Not to mention Bradford had a cost associated with him. So that has to be accounted for in the tally.
Ok I guess agree to disagree but the cost associated with having Bradford in 2016 available for trade was nothing but his signing bonus of $11M. The second and Foles was just to rent him for 2015. He signed here in 2016 as a FA we didn’t have to give up anything to acquire him this year.
And, none of the stuff that happened in 2015 has anything to do with Howie, so you’re free to keep score for the Eagles, but you’re responding to a post about Howie, so it’s a little confusing when you respond by saying I have to consider something that didnt involve Howie in order to judge Howies moves and then when it’s pointed out that the thing you want me to consider didn’t involve Howie at all you just say well I’m not talking about Howie I’m keeping score for the Eagles.
Good point. I had not thought about it that way. I can see calling the cost to originally acquire him a wash. Not sure I would really go that route, considering what we gave up to get him he was never supposed to be a rental. I at least get the logic.
One last thing. If Howie goes to the casino and gets 1k in house money. If he loses it all, he still lost 1k. Sure it wasn’t his 1k to start with but it becae his 1k.
I hope you don’t think I am a Howie basher in any way. I have actually always liked the guy. I thought he did a much better job adapting to Chip’s system than Chip himself ever did (when it comes to adding the right players).
That’s an interesting way to look at it and I can somewhat see the logic there. And, I think if Bradford is the house money it’s reasonable to count Bradford himself in the cost to acquire the 1st and 4th. But I’m still not sure it makes sense to count Bradford, the money spent on him and the picks/players traded to initially obtain him. Just seems like we’re double or even triple counting. But overall I think we’ve spent way more time discussing silly semantics when essentially I think we feel the same way about Howie overall, haha. Good discussion though!
Sanchize cut by Broncos
lol.
That’s no surprise. Would have been more surprising had he made the team.
lost our draft pick
Expected days ago when Sanchez fumbled away the chance to QB a SB winner. There was no way the Broncos were going to pay Sanchez 4.5M to be 3rd string.
QB3…?
I literally heard a caller suggest that we should sigń Vick as our #3 today.. I almost drove off the road
Better than Mcleod Bethel whatever his name is, not sure if Vick would be better than no 3rd QB at all…so…
Tony Romo can take hits better than VICK can at this point
Romo with the broken back is better than Vick right now 😛
Probably lol
On his way back to Eagles?
Whoa. Pederson’s father passed away last night.
Not cool
Damn shame his father didnt get to see him In his first game as a HC
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RIP
Maybe they will convert MS II to LB again?! lol…
Anyone know if HOWIE confirmed Wentz would start as soon as he is healthy?
Howie said all the coaches are away/not in the building so no comments on that now.
Says coaching decision
Thank you sir
Listening. Doubt he’ll say much on that – leave it to coaches to determine.
he’s giving press conference right now on nfl network. Said coaches will make the decision when they all get back
Najee Goode cut??? That’s shocking!
Najee Bad?
haha
Insane! They must be getting ready to Acho him! (They cut Eman acho for Najee Goode)
My thinking is that Goode is a vested veteran and not subject to waivers. So you cut him now and keep younger guys on first cuts so they won’t be exposed to waivers. If you don’t get any LBs you like on waivers, you could re-sign Goode if he doesn’t sign elsewhere. Eventually you’d have to cut one of the young guys, but less likely they’re claimed on 2nd go around and a bigger chance you can put them on the PS.
Maybe they try and pick him back up once Lane gets suspended, but that’s a dangerous game to play. I would sigń Goode right away if I were the Cowboys or Giants.. Their LB’s are shit
Unless they have an agreement w Goode already that they’re going to resign him in the next week and he’s onboard with that.
So many recent top picks in the last couple drafts have been cut.. A lot of top 100 drafted CB’s…. Shows how tough that position is to draft. always knew Dee Milner would be a bust. I didn’t love Gilbert, but never thought he would be this bad. But I did like the Djoun kid drafted in round 3 that the colts cut because of injury
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Gone are the days of top picks getting years to develope. Thankfully MS2 got it together in time to possibly salvage his eagle career, he earned his spot tbis year. You don’t get gifted a rpster spot when the team kept 5 other Defensive Ends.. Hopefully MS2 will justify schwartz vote of confidence
Draft is tough man, and the talent pool seems so much bigger than even 15 years ago, they have to be good now or they are out.
Especially now that Coaches are no longer given 3-5 years if they ARENT producing,… coaches don’t have the job security to be waiting years for these kids
Cept for the Colts!
Watch out for a possibly another upset by Wisconsin over LSU…
All the more reason why early college rankings are worthless.
So, roster right now:
QB(2): Wentz|Daniel
RB(4): Mathews|Sproles|Barner|Smallwood
WR(5): Matthews|Green-Beckham|Agholor|Huff|Turner
TE(3): Ertz|Celek|Burton
OL(11): Peters|Barbre|Kelce|Brooks|Johnson|Tobin||Wisniewski|Andrews|Seumalo|Vatai|Gordon
DE(6): Barwin|Graham|Curry|Smith|Means|Braman
DT(5): Cox|Logan|Allen|Hart|Vaeao
LB(4): Kendricks|Hicks|Bradham|Tulloch
CB(6): McKelvin|Carroll|Brooks|Mills|Rowe|Smith
S(4): Jenkins|McLeod|Watkins|Maragos
ST(3): Dorenbos|Sturgis|Jones
Goode though, seriously? Cut smallwood
Smith III
Dont know why but im intrigured by him again.
Maybe the fact that he had a strong preseason and Schwartz clearly wanted him on the team (so far)?
Obviously, but I told myself I wouldnt do this to me.
Would think Josh Andrews is the one to go when we find an LB we like.
Yeah he seems to be the first.
Four legit rookie UFAs. Wow.
From Kempski’s article 3 days ago on possible trade for Sam Bradford:
“If they were to offer, saaaaay, a first-round pick for Bradford, would the Eagles consider it? Of course. But they won’t, because they aren’t insane enough to believe that a quarterback with no more than seven wins in any one season is going to learn the playbook in a week and lead them to a Super Bowl.”
Those crazy Vikings.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/could-cowboys-or-vikings-trade-sam-bradford-or-chase-daniel/
Kempski was right about everything except how desperate the Vikings are 😛
Yep. Looks like Vikes really fear that Bridgewater’s career may be over. Given the team they assembled, which should be in the playoff mix, its more understandable if that FO really believes they have a shot at the Superbowl in the next year or two.
I just find it hard to believe that anyone watched Bradford for his short NFL career and thought, “That’s a Super Bowl QB with the right team.”
Those crazy nfl scouts.
Brand new stadium
It’s not as far fetched as it would seem. Teddy and Sam have extremely similar skill sets…short to intermediate accuracy. Vikings offense is built around that and running the ball.
Broncos just did it with a guy practically using a walker. Vikes are similarly built. Short passing game, great defense, best RB of the last 10 years. QB just needs to not screw up.
So what surprises me is they felt Bradford was needed over other available QBs – who aren’t great either, but a 1st & 4th drop off from Sammy Sleeves?
Sleeves can’t carry Peyton’s jock let alone a team.
Teams delude themselves when they see teams like Denver last year and the Ravens back in the Ray Lewis days that they can duplicate their success. Those were two of the best defenses of the last 20+ years. Vikings aren’t there. While I expect them to be very good on defense, I don’t see them dominating games.
Exactly. Let them delude away. Howie is here to help.
Smh Wisconsin can’t be throwing INT in The Redzone if they are to upset LSU…
Every bubble guy on Tommy’s list made the team except Ed Reynolds. Wow.
Edit** Correction Ed and Greene.
sanchise to cowboys
Guessing or confirmed?
rappaprot just confirmed on nfln
ESPN reporting too
YES!! That’s awesome!, I hope we get to face him
that’s the dream
Łet Cox and Vinny slam him around a bit,.. And boost our interception stats
have him running around so much he barfs up his midgame hotdogs
Maybe Hicks can knock him out the game and boost his collection of scalps of cowboy QBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZw07glc7ko
Sanchez would make for one pretty scalp, with his luscious Locks and his “Manly” headband
Great movie.
Sooo . . . Jerry didn’t want anything to do with Foles, but signs Sanchez? smh
lol coaches said they signed Tulloch to improve our depth… Was that really neccessary if we were only going to keep 4 LB’s?
Najee is much cheaper than Tully. najee can play on 3rd down, Tully Can’t…. Najee plays ST, Tully doesnt…
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Color me confused…. Easier to put up with stuff like this when you have a DC like schwartz who you trust completely, but it doesn’t mean I have to understand it
I think there’s a reason why we all ain’t a DC in the NFL.
Wonder who would be the first player we sigń back to the team if Lane were to be suspended today?
Goode. lol
At least 1 reason…
Main reason it doesn’t make sense is we have no OLB depth now. Sure, we needed an MLB to backup Hicks. No problem whatsoever with signing Tully for that. But, we’re going to depend on Bradham and Kendricks to stay healthy all season? When’s the last time that happened? Never??? You can’t play Tully out there. I guess they could move Hicks outside and play Tully in the middle, but that leaves them NOTHING for depth.
What I like about Tully is he puts the pressure on Kendricks, stay healthy, and play well or he will find himself on the bench backing up Hicks while Tully starts in the middle…Im a frustrated kendricks fan so I like putting that type of pressure on Kendricks…. Especially since the Eagles have no problem going with Hicks and Bradham in our nickel package, so it’s time for Kendicks to perform and play thru some injuries..
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But the lack of depth is certainly scary
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And it seems like we don’t have any Linebacks that can be key ST contributors which Is pretty weird
Bhahahaha Cowboys signed Sanchez. God I hope we get to play against that INT machine!
What a great off-season.
Week 17, boys need to win to get to PO…Sanchez starts vs EAGLES. And the KO…Underway! I live for that shit.
Its been a great day all around. 🙂
500+ comments. A pre-season record?
PPK:
What’s your (now-much older) son saying about the deal?
Great to hear from you, ol’ friend.
The boy (more young man, now) says , “Short-term, this season is over. Long-term, Wentz better be a success.”
What the hell did Najee do?
I don’t think anything. I think this was strategic. He’s not subject to waivers. So why keep him on roster now at expense of player that is subject to waivers. You can keep an UDFA you like, wait to re-sign Goode on say Tuesday. You waive an UDFA then and it’s less likely they’re claimed on waivers.
Here’s what Viking fans are saying about the trade:
– roughly 80% approve (StarTribune.com poll – unscientific)
– fans like the deal because — with GM Rick Spielman’s track record on 1st Rd picks is horrible (Ponder, Patterson, Khalil, Waynes) — the cost was minimal.
– fans like the deal because Bradford has the accuracy to complete passes more than 10 yards down field, which is key in the Norv Turner offense.
– fans don’t like the deal because Bradford never throws the ball more than 10 yards down field.
– Vikings fans are stupid
They’re all too damn nice to openly hate the front office.
I was begining to wonder where you were sir.
Wentz could end up being our leading rusher this year.
New thread
Just thinking… wow… Sam Bradford brought a first to the eagles… after we gave up on Foles and sent a second. Crazy.