Initial Cuts Are In
Posted: September 3rd, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 358 Comments »Here we go.
ROSTER MOVES: #Eagles have released 21 players to trim roster to 53. pic.twitter.com/0Obc2qvcjG
— Philadelphia Eagles (@Eagles) September 3, 2016
For now, here is your roster.
QB – 2 – Wentz, Daniel
RB – 4 – Mathews, Sproles, Barner, Smallwood
WR – 5 – Matthews, Agholor, Huff, DGB, Turner
TE – 3 – Celek, Ertz, Burton
OL – 11 – Peters, Barbre, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson, Seumalo, Tobin, Wiz, Andrews, Gordon, Vaitai
DE – 6 – Curry, Graham, Barwin, Smith, Means, Braman
DT – 5 – Cox, Logan, Allen, Hart, Vaeao
LB – 4 – Kendricks, Bradham, Hicks, Tulloch
S – 4 – Jenkins, McLeod, Watkins, Maragos
CB – 6 – McKelvin, Carroll, Brooks, Rowe, Smith, Mills
ST – 3 – Jones, Sturgis, Dorenbos
They kept a lot of O-linemen. They went light at LB. Paul Turner made it. Rowe is still part of the team. Those are you headlines.
Obviously the Eagles can’t go with just 4 LBs. They will add someone. One target could be…Najee Goode. Howie Roseman mentioned that things could change in the next couple of days when asked about Goode. My guess is that the Eagles told him they’d like to bring him back. They felt they could cut him and that a backup 4-3 OLB wouldn’t be coveted by other teams.
The Eagles are likely shopping some players at positions where they are heavy. Could be trying to trade Eric Rowe or a DE or maybe some other player. There are 31 other teams trying to build a roster. This is a very fluid time in the NFL world. Nothing is set in stone.
This will not be the Eagles final roster. They will add a LB and could make other moves. I’m still guessing something happens with Rowe. I don’t think Paul Turner should rent a place quite yet. There could be a better WR or two that hits the market.
I’ll be scanning the cuts list to see if there are any players I want. No one jumps out at me so far. The Ravens cut LB Arthur Brown, who I loved coming out of college, but when a LB fails in Baltimore, that’s not a good sign. Goode has actually been a better player than him to this point.
There are a couple of big names on the market. RB Justin Forsett got cut by the Ravens. He would be an interesting addition to the rotation, but that would only work if you could IR Wendell Smallwood, which isn’t likely to happen. The Eagles like Mathews and Sproles. They like Barner as a backup RB and STer. Why add a RB who is about to turn 31?
Sitton is a surprise cut. No one is sure what the Packers are thinking there. He would be an upgrade at LG. I don’t expect the Eagles to pursue him. They want Seumalo on the field in the future. You don’t go sign Sitton for one year with a roster built like this. The Eagles are a young team right now.
Talent and fit are important. The Eagles want the best players, but they have to fit what is going on now and into the future.
Stay tuned.
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Cutting Goode and attempting to trade Rowe or Hart makes some sense I guess. Risky, but Chip might try to talk Baalke into it and getting anything back for either guy would be a positive.
Hope they have something in the works and either resign Goode or another linebacker quick. Going with just Bradham and Kendricks on the outside even for a day or two makes me very nervous.
We’ll have 5 LBs by gameday. Either a waiver claim, a veteran FA, or Goode is re-signed.
I’d say Chip would probably be willing to gives us a couple of first rounders for Rowe + Hart. If we tell him that one of them has a balky knee and has lost his lateral mobility he might even throw in Carlos Hyde.
Throw in his boy Huff too. If he had full power, it would already be done. Do you think they’ve started on Howie’s statue yet? Dude deserves a ton of credit and clout for this off season. Pay dat man his respect
Gotta think Rowe ends up in Indy. Star QB in his prime. Big need at CB. Not sure what we could get back, but a conditional 4th would be nice.
Grigson is a fool, so probably more than you’d get from another team.
Slim pickings in the Colts LB corps and we already know their O-line sucks. So I’d want a pick, not a player.
Haeg plus something.
I forgot they drafted your boy. That would be a quality addition.
Im Assuming the Niners will try and pick up JaCorey Sheppard, unless Baalke doesmt at all care what chip wamts
a little surprised Josh Andrews didn’t get cut. Feels like the one to go if we add someone
Still surprised he beat Greene. Not a fan of that move.
Might be the guy to go when Johnson comes back off suspension.
I would just like to thank Howie Roseman and the Philadelphia Eagles for ruining my plans to do yard work all day.
Such a shame we cannot IR Smallwood. Would love to sign Ronnie Hillmann!
Noooooooooooooooo.
Smallwood is going to be a nice electric change of pace guy who needs to learn how to pass block.
He’s not saying cut him, he’s saying IR him.
Can’t practice on IR. Not a great way to learn to pass block.
This was kind of obvious
https://twitter.com/DarrenDegaetano/status/772187262922686464
Good thing Bradford has knees of steel, literally.
knees of steal amirite
Imagine if Bradford went down in the first game or something. I swear Minnesota is more snakebit than the Eagles.
For perfect cosmic pain it would have to involve a kicker missing an important FG late in a game and somehow Bradford getting hurt from it.
Bradford not wearing helmet, gets hit in head by kick?
oh god, lol 🙂
How do you come back mentally when your femur dislocates from your tibia/fibula by merely performing a football move and not from a hit from a defensive player. That’s like getting a concussion from merely sneezing.
Guys the Eagles could put waiver claims in on
TE- Beau Sandland
LB- John Timu
Sandland wound up on some of my first-pick drafts, so he must be good.
“Beau Sandland” is French for “Good Desert”
I’m gonna be a little sad if someone claims Goode and we don’t get him back here on the 53. I don’t see how we’re gonna find another LB. Complete gamble to dangle him out there in the wind while we hope we can make a trade of Rowe or whomever else we’re shopping in time.
Especially when you kept Josh Andrews
True, he really shouldn’t have made it over Greene
Honestly I don’t like keeping 11 o linemen either way. Would have kept Najee over both of them
And I know Lane is getting suspended, but figure that out then
The f-ing league dragging its feet is brutal.
He’s a vested vet. Not eligible for waivers.
I think he could be a starter for at least 2 teams that I’m familiar with (Cowboys/Giants) so it doesn’t really make a difference if they have to claim him or sign him. Hopefully it’s been explicitly made clear that we will re-sign him.
Same here, really disappointed to see him cut, hate the risk taken there.
I’d claim him if im the Giants or Cowboys,,. Their LBs suck
Will Goode become our next Vandervelde?
Was thinking that earlier.
Hey guys was in the road all day. Anything happen today?
Nope. Went exactly like everyone thought
Wentz! Exactly like every one thought.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Nah pretty uneventful…there was one thing though…
The troll was right — just saying….lmfao
Wouldn’t know, blocked him ages ago. Life has been sweet.
Did he predict a catastrophic injury to Bridgewater?
I don’t think anybody asked him to predict the reason….
That’s the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. He didn’t foresee shit. He just got totally lucky because Bridgewater went down and he was wrong last year. Eventually you’re going to hit on it if you keep saying a guy won’t be here. . lmao.
Don’t give him food… *smh
Does anyone know a site with a good list of league-wide cuts? Chasing down every teams twitter account and press releases is a hassle and I’ve only been able to find partial lists elsewhere.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691151/article/nfl-roster-cuts-tracker-teams-trimming-to-53-players
Nice!
Thanks!
Yeah, that’s been “fun” and all………….
I typically use Rotoworld
Jordan Tripp cut by Jacksonville.
Linebacker Jordan Tripp was cut, per a league source. This was a surprising move, considering Tripp’s value as a linebacker who learned all three spots during the offseason program and was projected to be a core special-teams player. The release of Davis and particularly Tripp likely means Hayes Pullard has secured a roster spot.
http://jacksonville.com/sports/columnists/gene-frenette/2016-09-02/story/ryan-davis-jordan-tripp-rashod-hill-among-jaguars
Nice work.
Josh Sitton is probably shot from a physical standpoint.
If the Giants sign him; he’s 100% shot from a physical standpoint.
No he was still balling last year and just turned 30 a month ago
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But we aren’t contending so he doesn’t make much sense for us,.. Im a big fan of that dude
Yo geagle Chubb looks legit
Let’s hope Vikings will miss out on the playoffs and we could use a mid first rounder on a stud RB!
What if we used one on a guard?
Wouldn’t make sense. Rather had OT.
Sure it does. Lane – rookie first round OG – Seumalo – Brooks – new RT.
Isn’t Seumalo a Guard?
or a center.
Yes he is.
To replace Lane or Peters?
You need to replace Seumalo at LG because he’s headed to center to replace that rotting corpse who is currently “snapping” the ball and “blocking.”
That down on Kelce?
Can Seumalo play center?
YES and yes.
Uh oh. Is this how it started with Barner?
Apples and oranges.
The Barner hate comes from Kelly keeping him here longer than Josey in 2014 in spite of Josey’s better play and longer than Mostert in 2015 in spite of Mostert’s better play. His existence on the practcie squad / roster violated the laws of the meritocracy.
Kelce is different. He’s a player placed on a pedestal by a large segment of the fan base and he’s making a strong salary, yet his play has declined since he signed his contract extension. He strikes me as a guy that DCs have figured out and the exploitation of his physical limitations has really slowed our ability to move the football / score over the last few years. Add in his love affair with the microphone and you have a guy who I’m just really done with.
But mostly I was making; “don’t get your hopes up” jokes with a top notch RB.
I hope they implode.
Or they trigger the eaculator that makes the 18 pick a 2
You might have 4 RBs in this draft better than Elliot.
SUCK IT DALLAS
Chubb, Fournette, Cook, Freeman, and McCaffrey.
I’ll have to get over the ugly uniform on Freeman.
That guy is no Marshall or Barner. Legitimate homerun threat and 3 down back.
Who’s your favorite RB coming out?
I’m a Fournette fan, but odds are I’ll assume the Eagles aren’t taking one that high so I’ll find a mid rounder who I’ll be convinced we need to take who will be better than all of them.
I’d be fine with Cook, Freeman or McCaffrey.
McAffrey. Thanks.
Chubb or bust! 🙂
And if Howie (and Douglas) want any of them, you know Howie will get him.
Such a stud!!!! Future eagle RB thanks to the vikings 🙂
I’ve just had my draft today. Note: I am in a 14-teams keeper league, so most of the blue chip players were already protected. So here’s how I ended up. My starters (for now):
And my reserves:
I think you’re gonna need more players. Just kidding…whatever you tried to upload isn’t coming through so, at least on my screen, there’s no players listed at all.
Mmmh, are you sure? Did you try to re-fresh Disqus? I can see the two pics..
I had to refresh and then click on the unresolved graphic
Definitely a 14 team league. Who were your keepers?
JMatt and Jimmy Graham. Which shows you my team sucked last season.
TBH i would of dropped Jimmy
Same here. You have no team or reserves.
For a 14 team keeper that seems pretty durn solid man.
I like JMatt last night…
Bennie Logan must be in a bad mood watching this LSU game; hopefully his soon to be inked extension will cheer him up.
http://overthecap.com/position/4-3-defensive-tackle/
Maybe get Bennie on the Linval Joseph deal + a few dollars?
5 year / $31.5 mil signed in 2014 could slide up to 5 year / $40 mil for Bennie?
8 per is probably the absolute floor.
Damion Harrisons 5 year 46mil probably more market value.
The league really doesn’t pay 1 techs so it’s hard to really get a good sense. I think 5 for 40-45ish would be reasonable but I don’t think it’s improbable that if he has a great year he could see 10-12 a year on the open market.
I’m Hoping somebody else beats him to the QB a few times.
So lets get that done before he hits the market.
Fournette hurt!
He’s fine…but their QB plain sux
Dude
I’ve never seen such a dirty hit…
I kind of want to give him the benefit of the doubt in thinking he was a live returner, but that was vicious.
He knew what he was doing. Wouldn’t surprised me if he get suspended next week.
That was funny. I’m just upset that the losers at ABC cut away from the fight.
He’ll be lucky if the punishment stops at ejection. Suspension looks highly likely and deserved.
Almost as dirty as when that deadskin hit Foles after the pick that wasn’t a pick
Chris Baker. He should die screaming of cancer.
Or by a Jason Peters beatdown.
That can’t happen again soon enough.
Baker is still on their roster. If he goes after Wentz like he did Foles,I would hope he wouldn’t get off the field alive.
I don’t think that is how cancer works…
[2074]
*Chris Baker dies of complications from leukemia*
MEDIA MIKE: that was for Foles you sonofabitch!
I’d be 97, so still have enough awareness to carry a grudge that long would be epic.
Most likely the case. We can pick another malady to suit medical accuracy’s sake.
What are you talking about? Like what game
You will probably see it on ESPN sportscenter. The LSU OL basically destroying a CB half his size after the play was dead.
Or, through the marvel of modern technology…
https://twitter.com/deadspin/status/772206460570828800
Guaranteed you’ll laugh your ass off:
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/when-the-271-pound-kicker-comes-at-you-go-in-a-differe-1786152367
He’s gonna be 300lbs before his senior season.
As a new father I haven’t been around here for a while but I’m having a hard time figuring out what’s going on with the team. I mean, DeMarco Murray didn’t take a single snap in the preseason, we sign Stephen Tulloch to play in a 3-4, and I can’t even find Bradford on the depth chart! What the hell is Chip doing???
Congrats on fatherhood!
We all pray that you haven’t named your son/daughter Sammy Sleeves though.
He cut Bradford too.
Chip had a weird moment at the xmas party last year. Found out he had black ancestors and cut himself.
Welcome back weirdo.
Congratulations on being ordained. Good thing your Sundays won’t be dominated by Eagles football anymore, Chip named Blaine Gabbert the starting QB. Pray for us.
Congrats!
Fatherhood hasn’t messed up your sense of humor.
Congrats
Does Sammy Sleeves have a wife?
Believe he got married in the last few months
He looks very metrosexual in that pic..
Or a weekend golfer, take your pick.
You Americanized quite quickly my friend. I love all of the peoples of the world, but what passes for “men’s” attire in a lot of European cities I’ve visited isn’t exactly Brett Favre’s Wrangler jeans.
Lol mark sanchez would disagree
Don’t tell German Eagle, but this doesn’t play around here…
http://www.thecostumeshop.ie/images/thumbnails/250/300/detailed/11/Fever_French_Sailor_Costume_Alternate.jpg
I believe he’s married to mediocrity.
Barnwell’s take on the trade:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/BarnwellNFLPreview160903/nfl-acquisition-sam-bradford-shows-smart-general-managers-make-odd-decisions-qb
This was really interesting, but Barnwell’s insistence on using that nonsensical made for ESPN version of QB rating clouds my ability to take his analysis of Bradford vs. Hill seriously. I think a lot of what he calls into question about the deal / player is valid, but I think it would be hard to quantify what the Vikings players fell about the situation. There were reports of a lot of thrown equipment, cursing, and upset when Teddy went down. The horrific nature of that injury had to be part of it, but I’m sure part of it was “we’re screwed” mentality because they don’t believe in Hill. Maybe Bradford, even if only for his “potential” and prior draft status, gets the team feeling better about being able to win games.
I’m pretty sure when Barnwell was part of Football Outsiders he was not a fan of ESPN QBR, butt now I guess he has to use it.
I just think people made that up as a way of excusing INTs to make Eli look better than he is.
QBR is actually pretty solid, Mike.
c’mon not many people think Hill is as good as Bradford. It’s kind of silly. The Vikings are in a new stadium and the players feel screwed by Bridgewater’s injury. Sad! The Eagles know that Bradford is not the future and maybe after this year (where maybe they win the NFC, and maybe not) they get I don’t know, a 2nd? maybe? a 3rd? The magnitude of the offer let Howie say ok this year we now need to scramble, but it’s too good to refuse.
I think the Vikings decision was weighed heavily by the new stadium.
Vikings simply made an offer we couldn’t refuse… Simple as that
I’ll repeat myself in the hopes that someone might have uncovered information I haven’t seen. I wonder what the Vikes initially offered, and how Howie might have bargained up to the final deal?
HOWIE said there wasn’t much back n fourth negotiation… I assume it went something like:
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Vikings offer a 2nd and a 5th…
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HOWIE responds that it’s not enough. If we are to give up our chamce at winning a wide open division, we would need a first and 3rd in return..
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And they eventually settled on a 4th with conditions attacked instead of a 3rd rounder we may have asked for in addition to the first rounder
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Regardless what the media says, both the Eagles and Vikings had a solid Chamce to win their division and make it to the playoffs, we were basically compensated to switch positions with the Vikings. Now they have a chance at making the playoffs again, while we were compensated nicely for being knocked out of playoff contention before the season even starts
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If you are asking the Eagles to piss away the season so that the Vikings can have a shot at the playoffs, a first round pick shouldn’t be too much to ask…
“If you are asking the Eagles to piss away the season so that the Vikings can have a shot at the playoffs, a first round pick shouldn’t be too much to ask…”
You must have been a fly on the wall of Howie’s mind.
I was just skimming through the cuts from every team and picked out some names.that weren’t mentioned before
Jay Lee WR
Justin Forsett RB
Nate Irving LB
Goerge Atkinson III RB
Travis Feeney LB
Arthur Brown LB
I’ve been requesting Feeney since we all really started digging into the draft. I’d like the guy as our SAM of the future.
D3 cautioned me about Feeney needing some weight room work first, so he’ll probably stay on the Steelers practice squad and get tips from James Harrison on how to take PEDs and evade accountability for it.
I think Tommy mentioned Brown (on Twitter perhaps) and some questions about why he couldn’t make it in Baltimore. I’d certainly find him interesting.
A lot of writers are saying Forsett was a wink wink cut and he’d go right back to the Ravens soon.
Id rather have Najee Goode back on the roster,than any of those players
In light of this latest Bradford trade, anybody care to take a stab at figuring out what picks Eagles gave up to go from Foles to Wentz?
They gave up the most picks by getting rid of Sanchez…
The Cowboys have them now…
Nice work
This dude did it in eagles247 .. wuite impressive so i had to cut&paste his excellent work … one commenter pointed out he didn’t include the pocks given away by dear Chip with Folesy … but here. .see whstcha think:
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PhillyTeams 3 hours ago
In Total –
Miami gets:
Alonzo
Maxwell
2016 1st Round Pick #13
Eagles get:
2016 1st Round Pick #8
Cleveland gets:
2016 1st Round Pick #8
2016 3rd Round Pick
2016 4th Round Pick
2017 1st Round Pick
2018 2nd Round Pick
Eagles get:
2016 1st Round Pick #2 (QB Wentz)
2017 4th Round Pick
Minnesota gets:
Bradford
Eagles get:
2017 1st Round Pick
2018 4th Round Pick (conditional 3rd or 2nd)
Picks in total –
Eagles gave:
2016 1st Round Pick #13
2016 1st Round Pick #8
2016 3rd Round Pick
2016 4th Round Pick
2017 1st Round Pick
2018 2nd Round Pick
Eagles got:
2016 1st Round Pick #8
2016 1st Round Pick #2 (QB Wentz)
2017 4th Round Pick
2017 1st Round Pick
2018 4th Round Pick (conditional)
Eagles Picks Conclusion (over 3 Drafts):
Gave 3 1st Rounders
Got 3 1st Rounders
Gave a 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Got a 4th, 4th (could be a 3rd or a 2nd)
Therefore:
Eagles got Wentz, a most-likely Franchise QB, for basically a 2nd Rounder and Alonzo, Maxwell, and Bradford.
Good deal?
“Eagles got Wentz, a most-likely Franchise QB, for basically a 2nd Rounder and Alonzo, Maxwell, and Bradford.”
Yes, that’s a good deal. Bradford was a dead end, Alonzo was a stiff, and Maxwell is a teammate / system dependent player. You could also include DeMarco in there if you wanted. All he cost us was a year of cap space and a realization that Chip Kelly really doesn’t know how to call plays.
“Eagles got Wentz, a most-likely Franchise QB…”
I’m not there. More like, “Eagles got Wentz, who we all hope and pray will be a franchise QB or we’re screwed for a good long while.”
He’s a longshot. Howie’s proved to be a good wheeler and dealer, but it means little until he brings in great players.
A bunch of careers are riding on Wentz being a success. I agree, unfortunately, that he’s a longshot. I just don’t see him having a body of work that gives me confidence he can be an elite NFL qb. He can become one, sure, I hope he does, but I don’t see a resume that makes me confident. Hope I’m really wrong and the guy becomes the next Brady, or at least, McNabb.
He rolled the dice… there’s some logic to it. I don’t really see that he’s been too successful at other positions, either, unfortunately.
Very cool. Yeah gotta include the crazy Foles trade that got us Bradford in the first place.
But man getting a 1st and a 4th back is a game changer. Wow. And you know Howie will manufacturer at least an additional one or two other picks some way. Now we just need Wentz to be a true franchise QB. Is that too much to ask!?
..and also have to include the 11Million paid to Bradford already
And we can look at it as the second rounder we gave up for Wentz, got us DGB (since Dennis Kelly is worthless and DGb was drafted in round 2)
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So we can look at it as paying Kiko, Maxwell, and Bradford for Wentz, and The second rounder we gave up got us DGB
Howie: “Come on dude.”
20:32
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Tweetcap-Roseman-Details-The-Trade/8d8af790-badf-41d9-86cb-7b75c69a7e6a
hahaha thanks for pointing this out, Roseman’s either more likable or less likable this year. Your mileage will vary
He seems really relaxed in that presser, of course fleecing yet another team probably makes you feel like a victory lap.
Cardinals waive Matt Barkley…its not too late!
For his sake, I hope he gets another full season of vested service. I think he’d pension out after a 4th full season.
Jeremy Butler
Possibility. I like some other WR cuts more.
The Bradford trade is going almost universally panned even in Minnesota. I did like the guy whose comment was “we already have a non-mobile, veteran QB who can complete check downs. We need to trade a 1st rounder for another?!’
I forgot pat shurmer is in minny as TEs couch
It’ll help translate Turner into Reid for Bradford.
So I assume we’re all rooting in the best possible first round pick from this trade next year as opposed to a 3rd or a 2nd in 2018?
I think the ultimate goal has to be for as many of us as possible to attend the draft. Boo the Niners pick of Watson at #1 overall, mock the Browns for trading down with #2 overall, screaming “BUST” when the Giants pick in the top 10, and ultimately arguing with each other over what the Eagles did wrong with the pick from the Vikings. I just hope we’re not waiting until the late 20s to do so.
I’m not quite delusional enough to seriously dream of the Eagles winning the Super Bowl and thus Cleveland having the #32 pick. I am delusional enough to dream of Bradford blowing out his ACL the first time he plays and Minnesota falling apart on the way to a top 5 pick. Hey, that’s not really delusional at all!
I’m looking at a 5 or 6 win season for us, so Cleveland can pick 11th with our pick or trade down with it.
I’m sure we’ll be going in the early 20s if the Vikings win a wild card and lose right away.
I just need to make clear that the Browns are going to ruin their attempt to tank somehow and the Niners will wind up with the #1 overall pick.
Vikes are not a bad team. The only issue for the next couple of weeks will be Bradfords learning of the offense. I’m still a Bradford fan but I understand he’s not elite. It’ll take time for him to get up to speed. Offense will have to be dumb downed a tick or 2. By then, who knows, he is prone to injury. Just a shame that we don’t get to see the ‘he practiced all pre-season, he’s worked with the 1’s a lot and we get to see the fruit of all that’….I would have like to see what he could do(knowing he was a lame duck)…
Yeah, I think there could have been something solid there.
In answer to a question during his PC about who would start at QB against Cleveland, Roseman answered that the coaches would make that decision and that they were all out of the office. I would think that the coaches have to participate with the scouts in the discussions about the final 53 and it stuck me as a peculiar day for the coaches to be unavailable. Did anyone else see it that way?
Pederson’s father passing away had a lot to do with that I’m sure. I don’t know if you saw that part of the presser. So I think it would be generally poor form for the underlings to be “available” while Pederson was dealing with a serious event of that nature.
Under other circumstances I would agree with you and call BS rather loudly. I generally hate how limited the availability of the assistant coaches is.
I seriously doubt that the team was still in the decision-making process today. I suspect the coaches were in Friday to discuss cuts and Saturday was more about the personnel staff trying to find trades for players that were likely to be cut any way. There were some players that were told they were being cut or had made the team(if Jalen Mills’ twitter account foretells anything) late Friday night so it seems like the decision-making process was already complete. Howie said the coaching staff was coming back that evening, likely to discuss potential waiver claims.
Pedersons father died
Can the Eagles go into the season with only Chase and Wentz? I know Eagles are thin at some spots — but man, that QB situation seems even more thin…
I think ideally they’d like a third QB on the roster, but probably 2/3rds of the league carries 3 QBs nowadays. Plus if Wentz and Daniels both go down in the same game in the next month or so Burton is probably just as good of an option to finish out a game as a QB who doesn’t have the playbook down.
Daily Norseman rationale for the trade from Vikes’ viewpoint.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/9/3/12785314/sam-bradford-the-qb-and-the-rationale
Interesting nugget I did not know. Pat Shurmur is their TE coach. There’s a career with the wrong trajectory.
I think Shurmur is a good coach, so he’ll pick up another OC job eventually.
We’ll see. Working with Zimmer in Minny will hopefully help. Pat needs to distance himself from Chip.
Long term Shurmur has a whole career as a Reid tree guy, so the 3 year with Chip shouldn’t be too much of a stain.
https://i.imgflip.com/1a0uaz.jpg
plus norv turner.
There’s a rumor out there(started by me) that Doug wanted Shurmur on his coaching staff but Howie specifically vetoed it so that Shurmur could be planted in another organization to help facilitate getting rid of Bradford.
I read that rumor (right here, right now) so it must be legit.
People are saying…
“The Vikings were a legitimate Super Bowl contender this year with Bridgewater running the offense and Mike Zimmer’s top-ranked defense looking to stay there this year, maybe even improve. Anytime you’re a Super Bowl contender, you have to be in win-now mode. ” — ok
Trade breakdown, accountant style: Eagles paid 11 mill for a 1st and 4th. Reasonable to expect that pick to be around 23 again. That means paying roughly 20 mill for 4 years of a player like Bud Dupree, Shane Ray, DJ Humphries, Johnny Manziel, Dee Ford or Darqueze Dennard (from the previous 2 years). Great deal if you focus on upside, pretty bad if you look at the downside. The real upside is if the Vikes tank.
Probably a win-win for both teams, but the Vikes made a really solid deal when you consider that they got Bradford for 7 mill with an option on next year. That offense and fan base should be much better for his career.
Good angle on all of this. But Eagles do have a lot of holes and a 1st and 4th give Howie/Douglas some much needed ammo to address them.
look at our history of first round picks, prettyspotty
Absolutely. But even an expensive, 50/50 shot is better than no shot at all.
To put it another way, roughly 1/15 of this year’s cap space was spent to secure next year’s 23rd pick.
but who cares about cap space in a year we are not winning the SB.
It carries over. Cap space always matters, and way more than most fans (and Jerry Jones) think.
That money would NOT have carried over. The $11M was a signing bonus, already budgeted over the next two years.
Seriously, we would be down WAY more money if we were paying Bradford his base salary. We actually GAIN $1.5M from this trade.
I think this was in reference to Jackson’s savings carrying over, not Bradford’s.
This was in response to you saying “roughly 1/15 of this year’s cap space was spent to secure next year’s 23rd pick” and “cap space matters because it carries over.” Jackson was not mentioned.
(Also vastly overstating the Vikings’ potential with Bradford imo)
Gotcha, the whole discussion revolves around combining Bradford’s signing with Bradford’s trade, both of which occurred this offseason. Thus, roughly 11mill was spent to secure those draft picks, as discussed.
As for SB odds, the favorites have a 12.5% chance, according to Vegas odds (which will always be high). Minn has a 5% chance, if Bradford impacts that by even 1/2 of 1%, it’s statistically significant. By no means am I saying they are now powerhouse favorites, though if I were a Vikes fan I would be quite pleased with this trade. But a lot of that is because I value draft picks for what they are, not what they might be. Too many people get caught up in potential, or think that the success of draft picks can somehow be predetermined, if a team “knows what they are doing”.
So how do you “value” 1st round picks? Is it just the respective cap hit? Does player quality even factor in? (Not being snarky, just curious what you mean by valuing draft picks “for what they are.”)
Another reason a lot of people like the trade is the fact the Eagles didn’t have a 1st rounder next year. Statistically 1st rounders tend to be better players than those taken in the lower rounds (regardless of “potential”). What is the value of going from not having a 1st rounder to having one?
I think a lot of people are feeling this as an extension of the trade-up for Wentz (paying an extra $11M for a shot at a franchise QB is, presumably, a little different than doing so for just some random 1st round guy).
My impression is that people frequently value draft picks for what they could be, rather than what they are. You can justify almost anything by saying it’s a shot at a franchise qb. But statistics can give you a more accurate evaluation of that shot, unless you assume you’re smarter than the other professionals. I think fans frequently expect mgmt to be smarter than average. Which is fine, we probably should expect that, both of ourselves, and as fans. But on average it’s going to be realistic, by the definition of average.
I think getting rid of the disappointment of Bradford, the taint of Kelly, and embracing the excitement of Wentz may have fans overvaluating the genius of this move. Does Wentz actually develop better by being thrown to the wolves? Do we totally discount the reduced chance of winning the division this year?
You still haven’t defined how you value draft picks, other than to repeatedly say you do it better than everyone else.
I do think we have less chance to win the division post-trade, but if Wentz isn’t ready they can put in Daniel. Either way, I would think Wentz has a better chance to develop as QB2 than QB3.
And, like I said, having one (1) 1st round pick next year is better than having zero (0). And now we also have an extra 1.5M to play with!
Hoping they make the playoffs. An extra 3rd could be useful.
Is the 3rd contingent on making the playoffs, or making the conference championship game?
I thought the playoffs, let me look it up.
nfc champs i think
It looks like NFCCG. That’s also a good possibility considering they were basically there last year and fell apart on a missed FG.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17454929/minnesota-vikings-trade-philadelphia-eagles-qb-sam-bradford
I’m hoping they go 2-14 and we get a top 3 pick
We don’t need a top 5 pick to draft Nick Chubb 🙂
Or yet another way, the highest paid player on this year’s team is a placeholder for next year’s pick.
I dunno man…. The vikings sure gave up a lot for a stop gap QB who won’t be winning them the Super Bowl this year… It will be a better trade for The Vikings if Teddy can’t play next year..
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I assume Playing in a new stadium factored into them feeling like they had to get a starting caliber QB and not waste a year of what is supposed to be a playoff team.. but im one of the few Bradford fans in philly, and I never imagined we could get a first round pick for him. Let alone a 1st and 4th….
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We paid a lot for SAM, but THATS a sunk cost already
Maybe, we’ll see. 7 mill for a starting qb who is a significant upgrade over anyone else available is worth a lower first, imo. The odds are against them winning the SB, just like it is for the other 31 teams out there. But the chances have improved with this trade, to something not insignificant.
Personally, I would only give up that type of value for a guy who may be a one year rental if it gives me a legit chance to win the Super Bowl..
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Then again, if im a vikings fan, I’d probably be fine with paying that to save us from completely wasting what should be a promising season, so I guess it’s relative
Is he really that much of an upgrade over Hill and I’m dead serious?
I don’t think so especially when you favor in the injury risk and his health history.
I think so, but we’ll see.
Who’s the emergency QB on game day if (God forbid) Wentz and Daniel both get hurt? Burton?
Doug him self
Or Frank Reicht…
Burton right now
MS2
Matthews and Ertz are wondering why the hell they wasted all that time in Oklahoma over the offseason.
LOL
…mirroring the sentiment of literally everyone in Oklahoma.
Too good.
future eagle RB Nick Chubb rushiñg for 220 with 2TD in his first game back from knee surgery. That kid is going to be such a stud in the NFL…
Still give me McCaffrey over any RB next year
Wonder how different he would be viewed if he were a black RB?
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Stylistically, im hoping Barner and Smallwood prove capable of providing us with a lot of what McCaffery brings to the table, but we”ll see..
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Fortunately there is more than just one or two serious RB prospects in this draft class…. There are a handful of guys that I like more than Derreck Henrey and MELVIN Gordon, the #2 RBs drafted in the last two years
All I know is that McCaffrey is the best all round RB coming out in a long time.
I honestly doubt Barner or Smallwood will do enough for me to not consider him and if they bring enough, it would be enough to not draft a RB early at all.
i DONT know about all that, but to each his own, very talented Kid for sure
WTF?!?! Why in the world did the Packers cut their all pro left guard Josh Sitton? He only just turned 30, been an all pro for The last 3 years… He might be the best Guard in the NFL… I’d be furious if im Aaron Rodgers..
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If we didn’t trade Bradford, I’d be screaming at the top of my lungs to sigń Sitton… Sitton/Brooks would give us what may be the nastiest Guard Tandem in the NFL… Few teams would have two guards better than Sitton and Brooks
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He just turned. 30 in June and hasn’t had many injuries, I think he has 3 good seasons left in the gas Tank
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That might be the most surprising cut
They have a number of OL due for extensions next year and extended young backup Lane Taylor earlier and think he’s ready to start. They had extension talks with Sitton that went nowhere so decided to cut ties now and use the cap room that was devoted to him to help extend the other players.
Crazy thing to do when you are a legit contender. I don’t know if money is ever worth losing your best offensive lineman ESPECIALLY when you have a chance to contend with one of The best Qbs in the game who is getting Jordy Nelson back.
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I would cut like 30 other Packers before Id cut an all pro LG…Sitton has so much more left in the tank than Mathis had when Vhip whacked him
Why did no one trade for him?
I can’t explain any of it… He would be one of the last packers id cut to free up cap space..
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On the opposite end of the guard spectrum, Local boy Jahri Evans was cut again.. Apparently he has nothing left in the tank.
6.5M reasons
Man, reading the comments on some Vikings boards is sobering. Some of those guys are just straight up delusional. One guy referred to Bradford as, “Heisman trophy winning, rookie of the year, number 1 overall draft pick, with a cannon for an arm, who’s shockingly accurate (especially on the deep ball), a guy who can stretch the field, protects the football and gives any team he’s on a chance to win!”
Wow that guy sounds awesome!!!!
They freaking love the trade. It’s funny after watching a full season of Bradford I thought he was decidedly mediocre, but after reading their descriptions of him I realized we just gave up a long sleeved version of Aaron Rodgers.
I predict the Vikes win anywhere from 7 to 9 games and the first we get back is not significantly different than the one we gave to the Browns to move up. People are discounting how hard it is to learn a new offense and create chemistry with a new team without any offseason to do so. Check out Carson Palmers stat line in Oakland as a reference.
Lots of people on this board were saying the same thing last year, despite the substantial evidence to the contrary (bad advanced stats, low yards per attempt, the fact that unheralded subs played just as well as him when he got injured).
It just goes to show how the colored glasses affect perception.
The sad part about all that is that it is true. He just doesn’t throw deep, gets hurt all the time and doesn’t find the open man.
Fuck! Randy Gregory won his appeal and they cut his suspension from 10 games to 4…. Hopefully the same thing will happen to Lane
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Anyone know on what grounds he appealed the suspension? I can’t find that info.
Yeah but I heard Romo got hurt
Yeah but they just drafted the second coming of Tom Brady
After last years Packers preseason game I’ll never draw conclusions from the preseason again.
Im being Fecetious… You really think I buy that BS Dak Hype?
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Watching young QBs succed while throwing to tbeir first option every play is fools gold
I knew you were but I had to say it anyway.
So did Howie grease this trade by putting so much of Bradford’s pay into a signing bonus and leaving his 2016 salary at only $7M? By doing this he really increased the chance something could happen this year.
The personnel decisions between Howie this year and Chip (I’m not the GM) last year are vast.
Chip the GM was a buffoon. He had no concept of how to maximize value. The Shady for Kiko Alonso trade strait up was a travesty.
Over the cap did an article about this – Howie likes to structure contracts so that they have the potential to be traded. By using a combination of guaranteed salary and signing bonus it allows the contracts to be moved if needed and be attractive to the trading party.
check out the new video of Embiid on Liberty Ballers.
Is it the crossover video?
yes it is. Yes it is.
Yeah pretty insane to see a raw 7’2 250lb Monster looking that fluid with his crossover moves..
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What a ridiculous talent…a true basketball savant/prodigy
I don’t know how good we will be, but it should be an entertaining season. bêtween our aggressive front 7 with Elite Safeties patrolling the No Fly Zone, and the energy Wentz seems to bring to the football field. I can’t wait to see Wentz unleash that big arm of his and throw deep to DGB
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Wonder how much the offense will change going from SAM to Wentz? Im thinking that with Wentz we should see a more similar offense to what Alex Smith ran with Wentz ability to run The ball, and easier throws to Runningbacks and TE’s since Alex was allergic to throwing to WRs before they stole Maclin from us
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We are probably going to use Zone Reads more than I would have hoped to see since getting rid of Chip… I love the playbook MIKE Shula created for Cam Newton. They run a lot of plays Id love to see Wentz use as Long as he is ready to protect himself… Im sure the RBs are going to be an even bigger part of The gamePlans with the rookie under center.. If we can establish a good run game, it should provide Wentz some nice opportunities to take shots down field off Of play action,
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Rookie QBs are turnover machines. The defense is going to have to carry us. hopefully Wentz can tame his gunslingers mentality and not put the defense in too many bad positions turning the ball over. It’s more important that Wentz not lose games for us this year than it is for him to try and win games for us…. Cut down the turnovers and schwartz defense should give us a chance to win some games
The negotiations began Friday night and intensified — but only because of new tight ends coach Pat Shurmur, who coached Bradford in St. Louis and in Philadelphia. It was Shurmur who convinced the organization that Bradford had the intelligence and the work ethic to learn Norv Turner’s offense quickly.
http://m.startribune.com/craig-vikings-didn-t-mortgage-future-in-getting-sam-bradford/392259091/
Shurmur giveth and he taketh away.
I will be shocked and disgusted if Lane will be suspended for 10 games. After all this waiting and hearing the news about that drug addict Gregory.
This is why Lane HAS to appeal the suspension, even if it would be much better if he were suspended in time to miss the first game for the season, which has NO SHOT of happening unless he takes the 10games on the chin and opts not to appeal the ruling
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If Lane appeals the ruling like he should, I expect him to be on the field for the first 2 or 3 Games of the season
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Think how much earlier Gregory was suspended before lane, and gregory ruling is just happening now.. Told you he would be on the field week 1
Maybe his appeal is already underway?!
Unfortuantely No… Still waiting on B sample and Lane says they don’t even know on what grounds to appeal it yet untul getting the B Sample result
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We are getting screwed by the slow wheels of NFL Justice… Hopefully he can get the suspension reduced making this crap somewhat wortwhile
Do you know when Gregory’s suspension was first reported?
Febuary 16 (around that date) word came down on his 4 game suspension… Then July 26th news of the 10 game suspension emerged…..
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I see a report on July 26th that said Gregory entered rehab while his lawyers were still working on his appeal… So let’s say at the latest the appeal was made the first week of August, and a ruling was just made now (around a month later)
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And we didn’t even File the Lane appeal yet,.. Gregorys appeal took about a month I guss…
Lane said he would do what’s best for the team… Meaning he will not appeal it and take the 10 games so his suspension can begin week 1 if that’s what the Eagles Think is best,,.. But I think we should at least try to get it reduced on appeal.
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But as of Today, lane can’t sit out week 1 even if he wanted,.. He hasn’t been suspended yet, all we know is allegedly he failed the first test that would lead to an eventual suspension… I think the league may make the suspensipn official before week 1, but even THATS not set in stone…. If he appeals it, I assume he would play at least 2 or 3 games before the NFL makes its ruling on the appeal, but it could be longer than that…. So annoying
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so I’m thinking I root for the Vikings to lose every game, but then if they make the playoffs then root for them to win every game.
I think that’s the way to go.
I think it’s tough in their first round game, but we have time to figure that out.
Source I trust is telling me Eagles are signing Blake Sims to be #3 QB. Major development, I’ll keep you guys posted as story unfolds.
From Dan Klauser…
Let’s hope we will cut OL Andrews and not a guy like Rowe or PT to make room for a 3rd QB.
is he any good?
The Blake Sims from the Bengals wasn’t too bad.
LMAO From 2015:
https://twitter.com/dklausner/status/640202512063156224
Groundhog days…
He’s a fake Nov 23 2015
https://twitter.com/dklausner/status/668945678970789888
I’m confused.com
He’s 2010 Most Cuddleable Man of the Year with sources!
https://twitter.com/dklausner
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Awesome job, thanks for this info!
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Waiver claims are at 1p ET today, not 12:00 pm ET. Was 12 pm ET in past years.
Bastards.
I think 1pm is when you can start adding guys to practice squads.
First 2 waiver claims have now been reported. None for Eagles yet.
Coming in fast and furious now.
Unconfirmed, but Mosher is hearing S Terrence Brooks and WR Bryce Treggs to PHI. Not official but apparently Patriots’ LB/S Kamu Grugier-Hill is telling teammates that Eagles claimed him.
Now official for Eagles.
Think this is all of them.
Nothing new here…but it does bear any fan’s attention: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/
I found a picture of Peter King at Sport’s Illustrated when somebody read him that article.
http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/la-la-2.png
On a unrelated NFL sucks topic -anyone finding it impossible to sign up for Sunday Ticket To Go (for PS4/mobile/etc)? I’m literally begging them to take my money and their UI is abysmal.
This makes me incredibly angry almost to the point of irrationally but the troubling thing is that it has become common place among large corporations.
In some cases now, local and state gov’t are subsidizing to keep jobs at a rate of more than $250k/employee annually for the period of the subsidies.
The overall tax burden shift from businesses to individuals the last 30 years has been staggering especially at the federal level but no one talks about it.
Apparently results that Gregory won his appeal were wrong. He was originially suspended 4 games and then that was increased to 10 games. He’s still appealing the increase to 10 games. While that is under appeal, the suspension for 4 games was listed by the NFL as far as his roster status. Some misinterpreted that to mean he had won his appeal.
Ty
https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/772476885901139969
Kamu Grugier-Hill looks like a safety, plays like a linebacker and has the athleticism of a slot cornerback. So, where will the sixth-round pick play for the New England Patriots? The NFL needs to decide on a name for the position made popular by Arizona Cardinals safety/linebacker hybrid Deone Bucannon, whether that be “moneybacker,” “rover” or something else. The hybrid role is becoming more and more popular in the NFL, and Grugier-Hill seems to fit the bill perfectly. For now, he’s listed as a linebacker on the Patriots’ roster. The Patriots selected Grugier-Hill 208th overall in the 2016 NFL Draft after he ran a 4.45-second 40-yard dash at Northwestern’s pro day in March with a 1.52-second 10-yard split, 6.89-second 3-cone, 4.20-second short shuttle, 38.5-inch vertical leap, 10-foot, 9-inch broad jump and 15 bench press reps of 225 pounds at 6-foot-2, 208 pounds.
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/05/kamu-grugier-hill-scouting-report-patriots-defender-brings-elite-athleticism/
208 pounds? damn that is light. Think he must be a special teams / 3rd down guy exclusively.
Was 215 at time of draft, probably up to around 220 now.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/772478136738996224
I know nothing about this WR. The 49ers weren’t exactly overflowing with WR depth.
His highlights are fairly impressive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhsaPXXco6I
Apparently he suffered an MCL injury in camp and some beats think he would have made roster if he had been healthy before now.
Sorry for ignorance…we claim to PS or active roster?
active roster – we need to cut 3 guys.
Hmmm…
Guess it’s official
https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/772478616718368769
For the Road to the NFL Title — follow #11 . . .
Then. Now. (One can hope.)
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Cuts gonna be sad and interesting.
I’m hoping they are:
Josh Andrews
Bryan Braman
Jaylen Watkins
Andrews, Turner, Maragos
No way Watkins….
I’ll guess Turner in favor of Treggs (sounds like Treggs is 5’11” and a 4.39 40 at his pro day).
Will guess that one CB (Smith?) will be released. Maybe Braman too.
I don’t want to lose Turner I guess. Really like his game.
Would rather drop Barner frankly.
They should have a catch-off
I’m wondering if Maragos will be the casualty. His salary is $1.5M. They picked up a S and a S/LB hybrid who is expected to be a STs stud. The Eagles might not want to pay a guy whose primary purpose is as a ST player that amount.
I was thinking that as well, Maragos just seems like such an institution now. I’d prefer to roll with Brooks / Watkins personally.
I mean, if I was Howie *both* Maragos and Braman would be gone.
Rebuilding teams don’t have luxury of two spots for ST-only guys.
We could cut HPV and sign him to the practice squad. Surely no one would want to give up a spot on their roster for him?
How soon do 3 cuts have to be made?
They have to be reported to league at time they inform you that you’re awarded other players. As far as them being announced, I don’t know.
https://twitter.com/DZangaroCSN/status/772485676151480321
Can’t say I know much about any of our claims but I still wonder what this means for Najee Goode. Lots of roster drama this year.
Raheem Mostert waived.
This is seriously the worst day, I hate being an NFL fan today.
Shouldn’t have posted this. Cue Media Mike – “Sign Mostert and get rid of that bum Kenjon Barner!!!!”
And somewhere Joe Webb still has a job…!
Gotta bring Mostert BACK!!!!
Even if Eagles hire a voodoo priestess to perform juju and Bradford does down in the first month of the season, it is really hard to see the Vikings finishing worse than 7-9 with a solid defense and an experienced backup in Hill.
If your optimistic, the Vikings pick is somewhere around ~15. More likely the Vikings are a ‘1 and done’ which puts them somewhere in the upper 20s.
Still fits the ‘longer term’ goal that Roseman has been espousing since the Wentz trade.
That’s how I see it, but still totally worth.
You have to hope that Rodgers doesn’t begin to become a bit more mortal this year and the Vikings are able to go 11-5/12-4 to win the division.
I hired a voodoo priestess once…
I think Treggs replaces Turner. Tregg is an outside deep threat type WR and that was a lot bigger need than a #3 slot WR(behind Matthews/Huff). I think they can safely get Turner on the PS.
Makes sense. Feel bad for PT though after his tweet last night.
Dave Zangaro
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WR Marcus Johnson is heading to the #Eagles practice squad, per source. Has upside but was hampered by injury this camp.
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So how many WRs are on PS already? Really hope PT will make it there?
Johnson is the only one that’s been reported.
I still haven’t heard anyone layout a conclusive case for starting Wentz Week 1 or who is really behind it.
The decision to start him though in Week 1 screams of Lurie meddling though in an important decision. More and more since the end of last season I get the sense Lurie is taking a more ‘hands on’ approach for several reasons which is a very bad direction for the franchise.
Hope I’m wrong and that he is letting his football people including ultimately letting Roseman make those kind of decisions with minimal/little input. Either have faith in the people you hired or find new people.
Jerry Jones envy
I thought Lurie was a big Bradford supporter?
Not as much a Bradford supporter as not wanting to trade him and possibly endure a rebuilding year where they win 4 or 5 games.
Lurie doesn’t strike me as a terribly savvy guy but he realizes that if they stick with the plan & start Daniel for half of the year it will be a long year. Even his comments and demeanor the last year, I don’t think he is willing to endure that kind of season again right now especially how last year.
It is a poor operational and strategical choice based largely upon emotion but it is where I think Lurie is coming from if he is pressing on starting Wentz in Week 1 if he is medically cleared.
Eagles think he’s ready and he’s already better than Chase Daniels?
Let him learn under fire. He seems to have the mental make-up for it.
His mechanical flaws can be worked on through the season.
He’s ready now after playing less than 2 quarters in the preseason and despite what they said since they drafted him?
I generally despise the ‘let him learn under fire’ mentality in almost any capacity. My experience is that it is utilized by people who have low emotional IQs and in the process waste an awful lot of potentially valuable resources.
You don’t think real world learning on the job is a valuable tool for professional growth?
There is a huge difference between letting people make mistakes and giving them some space to try to solve them on their own before stepping in and basically putting them in a spot where they are bound to fail because they were given almost no prerequisite learning/training/experience.
I guess you’re presuming that’s the case.
What is Wentz going to learn in practice that is a prerequisite to playing in a game?
It’s unfortunate that he couldn’t play in the Preseason, but that’s water under the bridge now. If he’s going to gain in-game experience, it will be during the regular season.
He hasn’t been able to practice though because of the injury. It was the Eagles’ rhetoric up and down the organization too until this trade was made too.
Same people praising the ‘let him learn under fire’ are generally the same folks who will heavily criticize and bury the front office if Wentz gets seriously hurt or plays really poorly.
You are assuming the Eagles’ rhetoric is their honest appraisal of the situation?
There were a ton of reasons to state publicly that Wentz was going to learn from the sideline from the moment he was drafted: managing expectations, no 1st-hand evaluation of him in Pederson’s system, the need to handle the Bradford situation with kid gloves, etc.
Using their public statements as evidence Wentz isn’t ready isn’t the most solid foundation for an argument. Besides, what makes you think Lurie is suddenly meddling NOW as opposed to when Wentz was first drafted through last week?
Not that he wasn’t going to play at all this year especially if Daniel played and looked terrible for a month. Thought it was much more likely he started a limited number of games late in the season (say last 3-4 games).
I have thought Lurie has berms bit more meddlesome for a while now starting with the coaching decision making process and their active offseason. Lurie does strike me as a guy who reacts to public criticism and was stung by the appraisal by many that he let Kelly take the reigns and his willingness to hold Kelly accountable for what he said/acted along with the team’s results.
Not for QBs unless your name is Peyton Manning. Wentz is no Peyton Manning.
Lurie + Howie 100%. I bet they would love to get out of Chase Daniel’s deal. The chronyism in the NFL is crazy. Shurmer has gotten 2 teams to give up serious consideration for Bradford.
man I can’t remember the last time I was this dialed in on roster churn at the end of the PS. Really feel on pins and needles trying to find out what’s going to end up happening.
To everyone still complaining about Jordan Hicks in Round 3:
Paul Dawson was waived by Cincinnati.
The Bengals cut LB Paul Dawson. Apparently he has attitude/work ethic issues.
Dallas bound
New thread.
I was shocked when I saw Goodes name. Makes send about bringing him back though. The fact that he is a very good ST guy has me worried that some other team will take interest in him.
With how our LBs are I just don’t think it is worth the risk. He is a good backup LB.
I like the additions though. They possibly won’t make the team, but they add skills that would be welcome. Great ST play and speed on the outside. It is important to continue to have a great ST unit. We have all seen how that can swing a few games a season.