Pure Talent
Posted: September 6th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 421 Comments »I’m going to write a long piece on why Carson Wentz is now starting, but one key factor is simply talent. I’m going to post a couple of videos below. Watch Wentz against the Bucs and then watch Sam Bradford against the Colts. Bradford went 17-20 and the offense moved the ball at will. But notice something. He had a clean pocket for the entire game and his receivers made plays. Bradford didn’t show anything special in that game. He made good reads and threw accurate passes.
The Wentz video is much more erratic. He’s playing behind a LT that is now out of the league and a LG that was playing his first NFL game. There was constant pressure on Wentz. His skills players caught some passes, but no one really made any big plays for him. You can still see just how gifted Wentz is. He has a great arm. He’s got outstanding mobility, in the pocket and out on the run.
Bradford has experience. Wentz has talent. The Eagles are taking a chance by going with the rookie at this point, but there is no denying just how physically special he is. QB is the most cerebral position in football, but talent still matters.
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Eagles fans should send a thank you note to the Colts. Remember that they were without their top 4 CBs and top pass rusher when the teams played. Bradford had open guys. He had time to throw. The Eagles dominated the line of scrimmage. The Colts made Bradford look really good. Without a game like that, I don’t think the Eagles get their 1st round pick.
Thanks Colts.
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it’s interesting. some people love statuesque QBs that are super accurate, manning, brady, etc. isn’t that sam bradford’s style? brady is significantly worse w/out a clean pocket, but i don’t think anyone would say those QBs aren’t as talented as mobile Qbs, they were also lucky to be in basically the same system for their whole careers.
isn’t the lack of CBs more about how terrible our WRs are getting open and catching the ball?
sadly i feel like when bradford has another mediocre year the pundits will say he’s average – not that his play is the result of being traded a week before the season starts. and that last year he was in a new system and had no offseason and had terrible wrs and a terrible ol and a terrible coach.
but we’ve had these arguments before i guess i’m ready for Wentz-era.
I’m totally on board with trading Bradford although I think your argument is pretty slanted against him to make this point. Bradford has played on crappy teams his whole career including last year when our roster was melting down and he performed as well as could be expected. I’d suspect the Vikes looked more at those games than 1 preseason game vs the Colts.
The reality is we know very little about how Wentz will do or if he is ready. I disagree with starting him Game 1, but understand why they did it. I think it makes the signing of Daniel look even worse, but at least we have someone to take over if Wentz gets injured.
The larger point is now they need to commit to Wentz and not waver. They need to work through the lumps that will happen and support Wentz in every way possible to help him succeed. And that is the key – now that they’ve rolled the dice here, they better be right.
The quotes from their GM mentioned the last 6 games of last year. I do think (hoped) Bradford would be more better this year, but once they took Wentz then it was just a matter of when. Getting a first is great and next year we would lose leverage b/c we would have to trade him. So all aboard let’s do this.
I agree, which is why Bradford knew the gig was up once they drafted Wentz and why he wanted to be traded. Everyone thought he was afraid to compete which was total BS. Bradford wanted out so he COULD compete with a fair chance to actually win a job. With Wentz, the competition was rigged since the Eagles would never not give him the job as soon as he was deemed ready regardless of what Bradford did.
Again, just to be crystal clear, I am fully on board with the Bradford trade. What I disagree with is starting Wentz Game 1 as based on his limited college experience and very limited reps in the preseason I suspect he is not ready. We’ll see, I hope he is.
yep it is a little odd they don’t wait until the early bye week. But I try to look on the bright side and think that just means they really think he is the man.
i think that is right, they believe in him strongly and have from the beginning. Let’s go forward.
I originally thought it would be smart for the Eagles to start Wentz after their bye week. But the easy part of our schedule is in the beginning of the season. It only gets tougher as the season goes on. So after thinking about it, it makes sense to ease the rookie in with the easier part of the schedule. Plus, going against the Browns in week 1 is like having another preseason game for the rookie to get some experience.
Exactly…how much is Carson really going to learn in the next 3 weeks holding a clip board and getting minimal reps in practice. Are those 3-4 weeks of extra practice reps as the #2 going to make that huge of a difference over him just starting now? Or is sitting these next three games against cake opponents and starting after the bye, when the competition level ramps up and Lane’s suspension presumably starts going to make or break his career trajectory? If the answer is no, then why not just get him started now and let him learn as much as he can on the job. He seems to have the mental makeup to handle the pressure as well as the ups and downs.
Looking at chase daniel and looking at how the team looked last year especially with Sanchez you can’t put that product on the field, especially not with Wentz behind them, already ruthless fan base would want Wentz at the first incompletion.
Doug probably did Chase a favor by not letting him get booed at Novacare.
I disagree on the timing. If they’ve decided to play Wentz this year, then start him right away. A big factor in the decision is the early season schedule. Playing the Browns and then the Bears is as easy as it’ll get all season. If the first couple games were against better teams they may have thought it was best to wait till after the bye.
Starting against those first couple teams really allows Wentz to get live game experience against a couple teams that don’t have a great defense coming after him, or a great offense to force him to keep pace with.
Bradford was going to be gone sooner or later so I’m glad Howie jumped on the chance to get value for him when he could.
I’m really excited to see the rook though I expect the growing pains. All I want to see is progress between the beginning of the year and the end of the year. If he’s a better player then than at the start, that’s good enough for me (unless we’re talking going from piss poor to slightly less piss poor, that’s not good).
I’m just hoping Wentz doesn’t get ruined by experiencing the transition from 1AA to NFL while playing behind a patchwork OL (especially if Peters doesn’t defy the odds and misses significant time), a weak backfield (again, Mathews is a long-shot to be consistently in the lineup), and with an, at best, average receiving corps.
I don’t want to see his confidence destroyed. I don’t want to see his body destroyed. I don’t want to see him develop happy feet due to repeated poundings from blitzes that he and his OL didn’t see coming.
If they can avoid those three things happening before 2017 rolls around, I’ll be happy. Wentz’s 2016 stats are pretty much irrelevant. I expect more INTs than TDs. Heck, I expect 15 or less TDs, and more than 25 INTs. That’s what rookie QBs do in the NFL, and Wentz is starting with less actual preparation (college attempts plus preseason experience) than almost any rookie QB I can remember. I just hope the fanbase doesn’t turn on him due to easily predictable struggles.
The good thing is that people have already seen Chase Daniel play so he’s not going to have any pressure from the backup
LOL. Can’t dispute that.
My big worry is him thinking he’s still bigger, stronger, and faster than the guys he’s on the field with. Hopefully he learns to throw the ball away and slide before he gets injured again.
I was having a hard time getting excited for the season. Now I can’t wait for Sunday.
“Kaepernick jersey sales are skyrocketing since he took his stance. The NFL Shop best sellers list shows the Kaepernick white jersey as the No. 2 best seller and the Kaepernick red jersey as the No. 6 best seller. The only player in the NFL selling more jerseys than Kaepernick right now is Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott.”
If all it took was a stance, Trump would be outselling everyone.
With a different “stance” every time his pie hole slipped open.
go send killery some cough drops
she can’t even get the lies out anymore
Trump does not have that problem, getting him to say anything truthful is his issue
it’s not like the Clintons can brag about their truth telling abilities
You’re right, our choices are not great. However, I’d take Hillary over Donald every day. Donald only cares for himself, everything he does is to enrich himself and he does not care who he stiffs or hurts. I have friends who did business with him and he did his usual refusal to pay routine. They had to go to court to force him to pay. It almost ruined their company. The Clintons at least have done some positive service for their country and for others.
Especailly those in Benghazi. Voting for either Trump or Hillary is just sad. I, like Kap, will take a knee this time around.
President isn’t the only person getting elected this november. Down ballot is as important as the headliner.
Has anyone read Julescat’s other posts? Enlightening. Despicable, but enlightening.
Whatever. Trump’s the absolute worst.
buy ’em to burn ’em?
Doubt people would spend $100 bucks on a jersey just to burn it. I’m sure they would get the knock-offs if that was the reason they were buying them.
To me, Kap’s actions point out that symbols are meaningless because they can represent completely different and often opposing ideas. Which make it hilarious that people support his stance by purchasing his jersey as a symbol.
Think biggest difference between bradford and wentz is the mentality, bradford is just a guy, wentz has the bravado that i think you might need, or at least that is appealing, in a qb. wentz is also homegrown and has never lost a game in the nfl — think the lack of track record really helps.
This is why I dislike the word “talent.” It’s so amorphous as to be useless.
Who’s more talented, Peyton Manning or Mike Vick? Well, what for? Squirming out of DE’s hands and running for 60 yards in about 3 seconds? Or winning NFL games?
Sam Bradford was the #1 draft pick coming out of college. He’s been riding on “talent” his entire NFL career.
Wentz is more agile, stronger, and better at improvising. He hasn’t proved anything yet!
He’s proved he’s just as capable at winning games as Bradford and he hasn’t even played yet.
I guess I’m the type who’d rather guess low and be pleasantly surprised rather than the one who wants to assume we’ve already gotten there and be disappointed.
But man, after Vick and Foles and SB, I am a little done with these one-hit wonders.
I personally really liked watching SB play, very accurate, rarely threw into double coverage most of the time made good decisions with the ball. A little conservative, but it’s not like he was playing with world beaters on this tearm.
I too liked Bradford more than most. But, I also think it’s clear that his absolute ceiling is more in line with a better version of Alex Smith or someone just outside the top 10 QBs in the league. That certainly has value, but he’s never going to win games for you. Just doesn’t throw enough TDs. So you’re always going to want to upgrade him. Might as well do so a year early if the return is potentially significantly higher because another team is desperate.
To me it’s hard to judge a guy that’s never spent two years in the same system.
Thought this was fun.
The Raiders’ actual scouting notes on Bradford:
https://imgur.com/RU3LsJS
SBNation Draft report (Scott Kadar):
“Field vision: Bradford made his name by being able to read defenses and check down to his second and third target.”
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/2/1230898/sam-bradford-nfl-draft-scouting
The word “talent” is used on this site like an Italian using the ‘F’ word…
Exactly! How tired did you get hearing about how talented our teams were in 2011 and 2012 despite always coming up short.
sorry if this has already been discussed to death…
what is the side effect of the Bradford trade on the cap for this year and next?
I think we take on the 11 mill this year and he is off the books in 2017.
Bradford was to count $12.5 mil against our cap this year($5.5 mil in signing bonus then $7 mil salary for the season). Since we traded him, his whole signing bonus counts against this year’s cap ($11 mil) and the Vikings take on his $7 mil salary. We save $1.5 mil against the cap this year and he is off the books after this season. Hope that clears things up.
awesome. thanks a lot!
No problem. Glad I could help!
Not quite. The $11 million signing bonus is still split over this year and next, since it was after June 1. We will have 5.5 million of dead money on next year’s cap, but we still clear off $17 million. We already had contracts exceeding next year’s cap, but now we are just under.
According to OvertheCap, you appear to be right. I thought I read somewhere that since he was traded and not cut that his whole signing bonus would accelerate to this year’s cap. Also read that trading Bradford only saved us $1.5 mil against this year’s cap, which would explain the whole bonus accelerating to this year. But OTC has Bradford as $5.5 mil dead against next year’s cap.
I might be totally off, but my impression of the June 1st rule is that 1) it applies to cuts not trades and 2) even if he were cut, it’s a designation, meaning that it is just an option and not automatic. Meaning, we have the option to split his signing bonus over 2 years if we want to but are not required to if cut after June 1st.
No, don’t think so. There is a “post June 1” designation, which you can use on up to two players before June 1, but I don’t think you can designate a player “pre june 1” afterwards.
http://overthecap.com/june-1-date-means-nfl/
http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/
But, that should mean that the Eagles do get back 7 million on this year’s cap, and not just the 1.5. And indeed, overthecap has 5.5 million dead money for Bradford this year, and that’s it — his previous cap number was 12.5. Of course if we don’t spend that money this year, it rolls over next year so the effect would be almost the same as if it was accelerated, just with more flexibility this year, so there’s little reason to have a “pre june 1” designation anyways.
ah…thanks for the info!
ultimately though, with the way the automatic roll over works with unused cap, it really doesn’t matter which year the cap hit comes in anymore. If we gain the $7M this year, it can be rolled forward to next year so long as we don’t use it. Either way, we just resigned Bennie Logan with that trade and picked up another FA as well.
Yep, I mentioned with the rollover a “pre-June 1” designation makes no sense — you just get more flexibility this year by pushing it to next. As for Logan… possibly. We were over the cap, now a bit under, and it’s just a one-year help. If you sign Logan long-term you need to get him under every year. It may require losing another higher-priced player (Barwin?) to accommodate that. Even without Bradford, we are kinda close to next year’s cap with signed contracts (with Bradford we were well over).
I think you’re a little too dire when assessing our cap situation. Currently the Eagles are $11.75M under the cap in 2016. Conservatively, even if we hold onto as much as almost $5M to make in season signings due to injuries, that still leaves us with $7M to roll forward into 2017.
In 2017 we’re currently projected to be right up against the cap with only approximately $500k in cap space. However, the cap is projected to rise about $10M. And, with the roll over we’re looking at anywhere from $7-10 being pushed forward. Then you have the following players who will likely be cut or at least restructured for significant cap reductions:
35 year old Peters: cap savings of $9.2M
Barwin: cap savings of $7.75M if cut, likely candidate for a restructure due to cap hit of $8.35M
Ryan Matthews: $4M savings if cut/traded
Sproles: $4M if cut/traded
Kendricks: Cap savings of $1.8M if cut or $2M if traded
Kelce: $2M savings if cut
Barbre: $1.8M if cut
MS2: $1.5M if cut
I’m not proposing that all these players get cut, just listing them to show where reasonable cuts could occur to save money. However, when you take into account the projected rise in salary cap, the $7M roll over from this year and assume just that we move on from Mathews and Peters, you’re looking at $30M in cap space next year. So more than enough to sign Bennie if we decide we’d like to keep him around.
All numbers taken from http://www.spotrac.com
Our defense and running game will keep the games close as long as Wentz doesnt throw too many interceptions. Historically rookie QBs throw alot of interceptions, if he can cut down on those I think we got a chance.
Electric?
Watch those Bradford highlights. People are sitting on their hands, because it’s preseason and who cares. The guy who the team (at the time) sold the farm for, in a city that continuously has the most popular backup quarterback and never likes their starter–especially the one who tried to get himself traded off the team–gets his first playing time, and people go nuts. Before he had done anything. Maybe the booze had kicked in by the 3rd and that’s why, but I think he would have been cheered like that no matter what. We’ll see if he keeps that going realll soon.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/773184536477732865
Eagles are trading CB Eric Rowe to Patriots for OL Josh Kline and a draft pick, league sources tell
So think Josh Andrews gets waived, CJ Smith gets called up
I don’t think CJ Smith gets called up; I think they re-sign Goode instead. Agree on Andrews. I think they went heavy on CB and let Goode go temporarily since they knew they could get a return on Rowe.
Pederson said they’re looking to add QB to PS or roster so they could add Hogan or Murray or ? to roster.
From Wikipedia:
In the 2015 regular season, Kline played in 14 games, starting 13.[42] He missed two games due to a shoulder injury. Kline played in 816 snaps, or 77.6 percent of the team’s offensive plays as the Patriots won their division and the #2 seed in the AFC Playoffs.
2016
Kline underwent shoulder surgery after the completion of the 2015 season.
Sounds like a guy who can fill in at either guard position, but not necessarily a starter. He was a UDFA.
Geez! Is it just me, or is the NFL getting crazy with all the trades and transactions? Not complaining, it’s fun and all…
Howie loves trades. I’d wonder if he’s the most active GM in player for player, non-draft day trades.
Have to be good at trades, we’re bad at drafting
Howie beasting – glad we are stacking up OL, Howie making sure that if the teams sucks it’s not on the gm.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/773185557493055488
Anyone know anything about OL Josh Kline? Warm body or someone who could push for a backup or starting spot some day?
I tried to do a little digging and found this from SBN Pats Pulpit:
2015 review: After seeing only limited playing time his first two years in the league, Josh Kline became a starter in 2015 and played more snaps than any other of the Patriots’ offensive linemen. The former undrafted free agent appeared in 16 of New England’s 18 games and played 1,000 of the team’s 1,253 offensive snaps (79.8%). When he was on the field – he saw time at left and right guard –, he gave up four sacks, 17 hits and 16 hurries.
While the numbers look adequate, they do not properly reflect how well Kline really started the season. He was the Patriots’ best offensive lineman prior to hurting his shoulder in week 13 and played well as both a pass protector and a run blocker. However, when he returned from the injury, which forced him to miss two games, Kline was no longer the same player and struggled to use his strength and technique to sustain blocks.
Despite being unable to end the season on a high note, Kline’s 2015 campaign can be considered an individual success. Not only did he earn a starting role and play well early in the season, he also signed a two-year $4.9 million extension in November.
Thanks
hopefully that offseason shoulder surgery gets him back into form
Push for a starting spot some day – maybe push for a starting spot Sunday. He was really good last year till he got hurt. Not sure if the shoulder is still a problem, since the Pats were willing to trade him, but if it is okay he is certainly better than Barbre doll.
Rowe traded to patriots for josh kline and 4th rder
Well now. That probably spells the end of Andrews, and opens up the spot to add Goode.
Any other underachieving Chip Kelly picks that we can trade for a 4th?
I thought the Peter King article made it pretty clear that the Vikings GM looked at all the tape from last year, and especially liked the last three games. So we can thank the Giants more than the Colts 😉
More seriously, it was that 3rd-to-last game that I liked most — that was against the Cardinals, a very good team, and Bradford had a rating of 120+ most of the game until near the end, when there were two picks (the last a simple desperation throw because we were well behind; the first may have been more on the receiver).
I thought Bradford could be a very good QB — his downfield throwing was getting better by the end last season, but it was still a weakness. Playing with the Rams all those years seems to have beat that attribute out of him, and it may take time to get back. The guy has played with poor offensive weapons most of his career (last year was no exception), and a different offensive system every year. It’s really hard to develop in that situation — you’ll never have top-notch stats. All the really good QBs have multiple years in one system.
That said, unless we won a SB or something, Bradford was going to be dealt after this year. I thought we could still get a 2nd rounder for him, so it wouldn’t have made any sense to trade him for that now. I thought we could win the division with him, honestly, though the Lane Johnson thing is a major downer and could affect that. And that would have bought some time for Wentz to learn on the sidelines, which does seem to help some QBs, and given us a much longer time to evaluate both QBs and see where things stood at the end of the year.
But the return was too good to ignore, given that the plan was to trade Bradford eventually. You get back more than you probably were hoping for (unless he had a breakout year here), and now set the long-term plan in motion a year ahead of original schedule. There is some risk that this isn’t the best way to develop Wentz, or that Wentz isn’t the guy, and it probably means we don’t make the playoffs this year, but the trade basically solved next offseason’s major dilemma.
Bradford could indeed do well there — they can be more run-heavy, and have better receivers (almost by default). And I don’t think they ask the QB to throw the ball down the field. I was actually looking forward to a second season with him here, and wish him the best in Minnesota, but I am now also looking forward / hoping that Wentz’ talent shines through.
Aye, maybe winning that game in NY (and losing draft position) wasn’t so bad after all.
I think Rowe could do very well in NE. Wonder what the condition is for the third. Pro bowl?
playing time is what I saw, but no specifics.
I still crazy to me how much this team has invested in a guy that played for North Dakota State. I hope he ends up being something more than Ryan Tannenhill.
Out of curiosity, what made you choose Tannehill for your comparison? They are completely different players with different backgrounds coming into the NFL. I assume you choose Tannehill because he was a starter in college for less than 2 years.
Not in terms of playing style, just in terms of quality play. Tannenhill is not one of the best QBs in the NFL but also not bad enough for you to consider moving on from.
Like Eli
From what I’ve read in the past, Tannehill is an asshole of a person. He doesn’t seem to have the mental makeup to be successful.
http://totalfratmove.com/miami-dolphins-qb-quarterback-ryan-tannehill-gets-owned-by-scout-team-calls-them-all-poor-in-response/
Curious how many pro athletes you’ve met RL. The public face is not always accurate.
One thing I’ve noticed is the NFL players are more pleasant than NBAers. Small sample size, of course.
Taking Tannenhill out out the equation, I totally agree. Our guy played 1.5 seasons of football in the Missouri Valley Conference, and is now the future of the franchise. I am on board the Wentz train only because there is no alternative. In a couple years, I hope I can look back at my own stupidity and celebrate the enormous success that is Carson Wentz. I won’t be the slightest bit surprised, though, if the storyline is more like: What the hell was the FO doing thinking that a kid with limited experience in a rinky-dink Conference could carry an NFL team?
Hey, I went to college in the MVC!
No surprise. The MVC is known for producing hall-of-fame caliber football blog posters. Not so well known for NFL caliber qbs.
someone tell me where they believe Kline slides into the depth chart please.
The top OG backup from what I’ve heard
ahead of the rookie? ahead of the rookie and Wiz too?
Yes
then why trade him?
No clue, maybe it’s higher compensation?
The Eagles just traded their no. 5 CB for our potential new starting LG and a 4th round pick in 2018 that could turn into a 3rd.
Howie you son of a mofo genius!!!
hey buddy scroll down.
Where? 🙂
to where other people already are talking about the trade. I’m just teasing anyway.
Yes. I know. Just wanted to point Howie’s magic out. 😉
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/773194211252318208
lol, Howie.
Lol. Unreal!
This is rare to do in the NFL. This is the type of thing that happens in the NBA/MLB.
https://twitter.com/RoobCSN/status/773195500971438081
If he’s a good OL… I don’t see how that *doesn’t* fit into our plans. It’s not like we have a surplus of them.
Looks like Howie spent some time talking to Hinkie.
I think this is how they were setting up the Bradford/Mariota trade that never worked out .
If we end getting a 3rd in 2017 and a cond. 4th in 2018 for our No. 5 CB I hope they will build a statue for Howie at those steps in Philly!!
The trade was Rowe for Kline and a 2018 4th that can become a 2018 3rd. I seriously doubt that Kline gets you a 3rd round pick in 2017.
Well it’s Howie so we never know. 🙂
Jesus christ
Marriotta?
And Urlacher!
Finally.
Our wishes for Boldyn might finally come true now.
Eric Rowe was decent last year. Im surprised as to how bad he looked in pre-season against a bunch of scrubs.
Boy Chip really nailed the draft last year. Glad he had personnel control.
Everyone loved Rowe last year. Teams that switch coaches schemes, dump good players all the time – see titans and dgb.
I don’t think Rowe was a bad pick. He showed promise last year in Davis’s scheme. The team changed schemes. Where I blame Chip is for his crybaby forcing out of Howie last year and sucking so bad in general. When you constantly change schemes and/or who’s in charge you’re going to have casualties like this.
ok ok to both of you but Chip set us back by his personnel decisions even if Rowe isn’t a good example.
Very well said.
Rowe wasn’t a bad pick, but he doesn’t have the hips to be a CB. He should be a safety.
I was kind of annoyed that they didn’t go after Jake Fisher or Ali Marpet considering how old our OLine was.
Rowe absolutely cannot handle receivers breaking off their routes at the stem, his hips are terrible. He was never going to be a viable corner because of that, teams would attack him all game.
As a safety, I guess we’ll never find out what that might have been.
https://twitter.com/LesBowen/status/773195935467835393
quick, predictions for what they get for Kline?
Probably a pick or a backup OLB?
5th Round/4th conditional
but if he would be slide in as 2nd team OG, why trade him for that?
need wrs?
Just guessing what they’d get. No opinion or idea on whether it’s smart.
If Kline does stay here and ends up a backup, basically we swapped Rowe and Dennis Kelly for DGB, Kline, and a conditional 4th.
I need DB3FG whatshis name to give us some thoughts on Kline.
Wiz level of OL.
Re: Rowe’s (Sad) Place in Eagles’ Draft History
Well . . . that didn’t take long.
Eric Rowe now moves into a 5-way tie for the title of “Second Worst 2nd Rd Pick Since the 1970 Merger” . . . at least measured by time on the team.
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Here’re the top finishers:
* DT Bruce Walker — 0 seasons (drafted by Kotite on 4/28/94, cut 8/28/94)
* OT Dan Yochum — 0 seasons (went to the CFL after ’72 draft, HOFer there)
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The next “Big 5”:
* CB Eric Rowe — 1 season (Belichick made WR Troy Brown into a decent DB)
* RB Siran Stacy — 1 season (drafted by Kotite in ’92, cut on 8/31/93)
* S Jesse Campbell — 1 season on IR (drafted by Kotite in ’91, cut on 9/5/92)
* WR Mike Bellamy — 1 season (drafted by Buddy in ’90, cut on 8/27/91)
* CB Ray Jones — 1 season (picked in ’70 ahead of college ‘mate Mel Blount)
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And close behind:
* S Jaquawn Jarrett — 1 season, 1 game (cut on 9/11/12)
* LB Alonzo Johnson — 1 season, 3 games (suspended by Buddy in 10/87)
* LB Quinton Caver — 1 season, 6 games (cut on 10/22/02)
hey where you’ve been welcome back. Entertaining week to come back.
Trevor Laws has to be there somewhere.
spent 4 seasons with the Eagles . . . too long to be on this list
Laws really didn’t amount to anything during the time he was here.
Turned out ok and got a gig elsewhere. Not that JJ isn’t still somehow starting for the Jets. At least last time I checked.
Ugh I actually predicted we’d take Laws and was happy when we did. I wish I could erase the memory of him getting driven 10 yards off the line of scrimmage every run play.
Whenever I feel depressed about where the Eagles are right now, I think of the Kotite years and say “at least it’s not THAT bad!”
Can you believe how bad that guy was . . . at everything!!!
If I hadn’t lived through it, I don’t think I could really understand it. His decisions were constantly baffling, and he always looked so overmatched (which he obviously was).
I felt sorry for Jets fans when their senile owner hired him in what may be the ultimate example of the good-ole boys’ network.
Bill . . .
In a perfectly described nutshell, you nailed it.
those were dark, dark times.
Firing Pete Carroll to do it.
Victor Abiamiri didn’t do anything and was only on the team for so long because he was a 2nd round pick on IR. Didn’t they also have a LB that was terrible? Matt McCoy?
I was thinking Bryan Smith but he was 3rd Round disaster.
McCoy was same draft as Reggie Brown.
VA is a sad one. Matt McCoy was a 3rd I think? Also scumbag. Started though and was cut for being an ass, right?
Fun exercise but let’s be real. No one will ever be worse than JJ.
Also how is a guy who finished the season very strong in a starting role as a rookie CB (very rare any rookie is awesome), traded for healthy compensation, a big bust? JJ was cut, by the same staff that drafted him (right?). If Chip was here Rowe is starting this year.
Kid had a tough summer, that’s for sure.
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Agreed. Talent-wise, very disappointed to see what’s happened with Rowe. Jeez. (Feel pretty sure the Pats will find a way to make him look like a 2nd Rd pick should.)
That’s why I framed the contest by service-time only.
And no one . . . absolutely no one . . . was worse than Bruce Walker. (Kotite-itis.)
Not even Jaiquawn Jarrett.
Except Rowe got on the field and played well as a starter. Jarrett sure didn’t, so I don’t see how you can realistically rank Rowe at being worse than him (or Caver, etc.)
Those players were straight cut. A trade with a decent return is a very different way to part company, and means he’s waaaaay better than those other players. It’s not really an indictment of the pick, to me. We got a decent pick and an almost-starter back. Tennessee traded their 2nd round pick last year and got Dennis Kelly back. So he may have been a better pick than DGB 😉
I’m a little disappointed that it didn’t work out, but with a regime change, there can be players or attributes that coaches just don’t like — and it was a numbers game. Sounds like the coaches wanted him cut since they liked enough other players more, and Howie is playing roster games in order to get a return on it.
right now we have 3 4th round picks in 2018 (one from the Vikings that can be higher, and the new one from the Pats that can be higher).
I hear 2018 is gonna be a deep draft;-)
and we’re going to pick up the final pieces to start our three peat.
Eagles in talks to trade new o linemen recently acquired from pats
Love this…
https://twitter.com/DZangaroCSN/status/773199417923006464
Say what you will about Howie – he isn’t boring.
That are you not entertained meme just keeps seeming appropriate for this team.
During the 3-year Kelly era . . . the Eagles had a total of 21 draft picks.
Remaining from 2013’s eight choices:
– LJohnson
– ZErtz
– Bennie Logan
Remaining from 2014’s seven choices:
– MSmith II
– JMatthews
– JHuff
– JWatkins* (here, gone, returned)
– Beau Allen
Left from 2015’s 6 choices:
– NAgholor
– JHicks
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The 2013 bunch — when Roseman put the board together and made the picks — far and away the best. (Helped being at the top of each round.)
15 is real bad if Ags doesnt step up or Hicks stay healthy for that matter
Peteike:
Thinking exactly the same thing.
If the Eagles were a tad better at WR, I could see Agholor going the way of Rowe this week.
If the new Olineman is traded for a WR, then that could still happen.
It could really happen, there’ some teams stacked with WR talent but need OL. Teams like the Jaguars, Packers, and Broncos could use some help.
The kid is a big talent. Let’s see what he does this year before we totally bag him.
Agholor was never going to get cut due to money.
I know it’s fun to bash Chip all the time here, but let’s not forget that team was picking 4th in each round because they went 4-12 the year before.
3 teams picked ahead of us, none of those picks turned out to be anything special and Dion Jordan, who we probably largely can accept was the player Chip was drooling about, has been a massive bust. Lane Johnson might have been the obvious choice, but he still turned out to be a good player, potentially great, especially if he can stop getting suspended.
Zach Ertz and Logan were damn good picks. Most people were surprised we took Ertz that high with Celek in place and Logan probably turned out better than people expected.
Comparing that to 2015 when Chip had control and basically the only good pick when looking at it currently, was Hicks, who mind you was very, very good, but showed exactly the weakness that dropped him. Injuries. Its a no contest.
We’ve yet to see what kind of team Howie can build, and whether or not he can build the next Seahawks, Broncos etc. But there is no question that he at least makes decent draft picks and isn’t the horrible drafter that other people in charge were, which Chip showed greatly. Add to that the great value Howie always gets in trades, contracts etc. We’re undoubtedly in better shape with Howie as the big kahuna.
On the cap and trade fronts, I agree Roseman has proven himself to be very capable. On the draft and FA fronts, the results so far are more mixed. If he can shore those up, he would be a very good and well rounded GM.
Howie is great at FA, its the draft that lacks.
Disagree, he was very involved in the signings of the dream team that flopped and also signed guys like Fletcher, Chung, Casey, KPhillips et al. in 2013.
You do know that the dream team was Banner right?
Name me any GM who hasnt signed guys like that? In 2013 he also signed Connor Barwin
I do not buy that Roseman was not very involved in the planning and execution of the Dream Team – again you can give him a total pass if you want, but he was very far from a puppet. Banner and Reid trusted him completely.
As I said, his results with FA are mixed, some good and some bad. Compared to his track record in trades and managing the cap, he is not as good at drafting and FA. That is hardly a radical statement.
In 2011 Banner and Reid did all the contracts/GM thing, it was only GM in name.
In terms of skills it goes cap/trade, FA and then draft. If he can just bring his draft up to his FA level, we would be much better.
The result vary, maybe a little too much, in terms of FAs, but as mention above, I look forward to seeing Howie build his team, not being told to get this or that player by Reid or Chip, and basically being limited to saying that he didn’t think this was a good idea and argue his point, but ultimately having to do what he was told.
The 2012 13 and 14 he had final say right? I would say those all went well. 2+ starters a draft is supposed to be really good right?
Of course, but nobody can deny that Chip showed us that Howie might not be the talent magician, but the sure as shit weren’t completely awful at that part.
Futhermore, it seems like this is Howies team. With the power Andy Reid had, Howie was never in charge. When Chip was hired, he started our having to cater to a completely new way of acquiring specific players, and ended up being sideline.
He might fail, but I look forward to seeing what team Howie can build, and despite this whole being “not being a football guy” thing, it surely seems that Howie is busy surrounding himself with a lot of proven talent evaluators.
Roseman was in charge in 2013 – the signings of Casey, Fletcher, Chung, KPhillips, Scounces were his decisions and they were not good. Even if we give him a total pass for the dream team, which is ridiculous IMO, he was definitely the man in 2013.
We’ll see about his FA choices this off-season too – so far Daniel certainly has not been very good, BBrooks inconsistent and RBrooks and Carroll meh.
Wait why is it Howie’s fault that Chip couldn’t find a competent DC to replace Davis?
Huh? Where was that referenced?
If you can add two core players a year you are doing well right? The average is there with a chance of better.
clearly we need to draft more players whose first or last name starts with ‘J’
But Hicks could be our best draft pick since Fletcher Cox.
Welcome to Philadelphia, and the world of dickering where everything comes with a price tag.
I’m sure someone already said it (but even if that’s the case it’s worth mentioning again). One of my first thoughts after the Bradford trade went down, “Screw you Elway.”
ha! Just like I love how well Hamels is doing now, and what we got back, and I think screw you RS fans who wanted to trade us like one double AA pitcher b/c their prospects are so awesome.
Of course I wish Hamels loads of success. Bradford, who care?
I will be rooting hard against him for a higher draft pick…
I have to root against Sam because the thought of him becoming a stud qb after we trade him is just too terrible.
yes of course, in fact we can root against him.
Definitely who cares. He complained towards the end of his tenure about the Rams. Certainly didn’t have any fans at the St Louis Dispatch when he got traded.
Clearly didn’t like it here but I have a feeling he isn’t going to like it everywhere when the fans sour on him. Vikings’ fans are kind of like Eagles’ fans in that they are quick to jump on someone if they don’t do well initially.
He might not get booed liked in Philly but he’ll take a lot of flak and criticism if he gets out to a slow start.
Boston fans in general are pretty annoying. Celtics fans think Covington for a 2nd round pick or Jahlil Okafor for Marcus Smart is a fair trade.
I would make that Okafor trade all day.
:ducks:
How do we know that Elway didn’t ask for a 1st round pick and a top young player for Sanchez? I’m just saying that maybe Elway was one of the catalysts that that led the Vikings to offering a 1st and 4th round pick.
Thought the same thing. They were too cheap to give fair compensation, and now they are going into the season with… actually, I don’t even know. Never heard of him before.
I’m somewhat terrified of our long term CB situation. We really need to hope Mills develops into a starter and invest a premium pick there soon.
Its not like its new. Its basically the same problem we’ve had for a couple of season. We tried to solve it with Carroll, Fletcher and Cary, when that didn’t work we signed a big FA in Maxwell and drafted Rowe high. That didnt work either. Now we’re stil, holding on to Carroll and tried to sign veterans like Fletcher and Cary Williams, and its just hoping that McKelvin and Brooks turn out better.
In the end, the solution is simple. We develop what we have, we sign more FAs or draft more corners, until we find two good ones. We just need to do better than previous attempts.
CB has been a problem since Assnte left and a gaping hole since Sheldon left. Hurts trading away a young talent like Rowe.
Sheldon and Asante held it down pretty well, not a top tandem in the league like we had gotten used to at that time, but we’d love to have anything close to that right now. Granted, Asante was one of those guys who was pretty avaerage or below average at everything except having an elite nose for the ball so he sort of got us stuck doing certain coverages. We invested so much in him, at times it seemed like we designed the defense around him.
Yeah Sheldon and Asante were solid and Sheldon and Lito before them were rock solid, of course they also had Dawk playing behind them too, that can’t hurt.
Ever since they left though it’s been a goddamn mess at the corners.
It’s largely been subpar to crap since the heyday of Sheppard and Brown a decade ago.
I think they’ll be ‘ok’ but if Carroll goes down they have huge problems. Brooks largely stunk in the preseason and it becomes a ‘grasping at straws’ approach.
I kind of disagree. It’s super hard to find top shelf corners, and even projecting them within the first round is a crap shoot.
Even if you get lucky, most corners don’t last that long in the NFL because the position demands more athleticism than any other.
Conversely, it shouldn’t be too difficult to find replacement level corners.
Kline for Josh Gordon straight up!
Please make it happen, Howie.
Took you long enough.
I’ll offer to add the tip of my left pinky finger for that one. If it helps.
They probably are terrified to help us and Wentz out. They want our pick to be low, they’d be stupid to deal with us now unless it was a great offer.
Paul DePodesta basically asserted the Browns’ Front Office didn’t think Wentz or Goff were potential top 20 QBs.
I thought they liked Goeff but didn’t THNK Wentz was good enough
I know they’ve had lots of turnover, but given Cleveland’s recent consistently-bad choices of 1st-round QBs that much of the rest of the league wanted nothing to do with… it’s almost a good thing that Cleveland didn’t want him.
I really don’t know myself… I can’t completely get excited for Wentz not having seen him play much, but I hope that changes fast once I do.
Kline plus the out-year conditional picks for Josh Gordon.
“Kline and a 6th for Joe Haden straight up! I swear it’s a fair deal, trust me” -swindling HOWIE Roseman
Lol from Tim McManus now on ESPN
“For us to do that, it would change the NFC North, it would change the NFC East, it would change the NFC as a whole. It puts our coaches in a really tough position. That’s going to be a situation that’s gotta be a no-brainer for our team. And I said, so what does that mean? I said, well, the Carson Palmer trade was like that and it was a one and a two,” Roseman recalled. “And [Spielman] was just taken aback. And he said, ‘Well, that doesn’t make any sense.’ And I said, ‘No, it does.'”
http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/18277/howie-roseman-used-carson-palmer-trade-to-set-price-for-sam-bradford
I just listened to it. Good stuff.
http://975thefanatic.com/2016/09/06/howie-roseman-talks-carson-wentz-w-morning-show/
Almost like he has Jedi mind powers
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/773225058164695040
The fuck is going on here, did the UPS guy lose the package?
repeating what i brought up a number of posts ago:
previous timeline that someone noted that Lane said was that he expected results within 2-3 weeks. That 3 week time would run up to last saturday. so…. this is getting ridiculous. we could have gotten our tax rebate back by now.
Keep trying to tell people that he won’t be suspended Til closer to October. I don’t know why the media has fans thinking there is anything weird with this timeline. It’s pretty standard and I have been trying to make this clear for weeks now
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No idea why the media ever put the idea in fans heads that he would be suspended in time for week 1… That was never a realistic expectation, Especially if Lane appeals the ruling, which he would almòst have to be crazy to not appeal since it’s not that rare to get a suspension reduced.
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There is nothing wrong, this is the standard process, Still waiting for a B sample regardless of what anyone thinks, from there if Lane appeals it like he should, it will be 2 to 4 weeks before the NFL rules on the appeal, and then his suspension starts
Garafolo’s description of the process under NFL PED policy is incorrect.
Here’re the steps under the NFL-NFLPA PED policy:
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Player%20Development/2015%20Policy%20on%20Performance-Enhancing%20Substances.pdf
1. Testing is under the direction of an Independent Administrator — not the Commissioner’s office. See NFL PED Policy Sec. 2.1.
(I mention this as an aside.)
2. The testing of samples, including “B” samples, is done either by the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in Los Angeles or the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory in Salt Lake City. See NFL PED Policy Sec. 3.4.
3. Once a positive result is confirmed, including a “B” sample test, the Independent Administrator must: (a) match the control identification number for the sample with the player; (b) notify the player in writing, as well as the NFL Management Council (“NFLMC”), of the positive result, and (c) request that the player call him to discuss the result. See NFL PED Policy Sec. 4.1.
4. If, after the NFLMC receives written notice of a player’s failed test, a suspension is authorized under the PED policy, the NFLMC will notify the player in writing — with a copy to the NFLPA — of the suspension and the right to appeal. See NFL PED Policy Sec. 4.2.
5. The player has five (5) business days — usually, 1 week (excepting federal holidays like Labor Day) to appeal after receiving written notice from the NFL that he is subject to suspension.
Note: The PED policy does not establish the standards for delivering “written notice.”
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According to the testing lab used by the NCAA, sample testing takes only 10-15 days.
Perhaps the UCLA and Utah labs are backed up because of the recent Olympics.
Or maybe — as NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport report in early August suggested — Lane Johnson is in the appeal process. Rapoport’s never withdrawn or amended his original report that Johnson’s received notice of a suspension from the NFL.
I had a feeling it was the place in Salt Lake. I am in sales, and they are a good account of mine. I will be in there next week, and I will see if I can accidentally misplace Lane’s B sample. But seriously… they are always backed up, pretty much one of the few go-to labs in the country for this.
Eagles make a move. Oh, we’re rebuilding. Eagles make another move. Win now! Eagles make another move. Oh yeah we’re rebuilding. Eagles make another move. Win now! Eagles make another move…
How do the beats find anything to write about covering this team?
Not sure what’s they’re doing — since CK left town, it’s always been about rebuilding. Rebuilding and possible competing(due to bad NFC East) are separate things…
I was just thinking that if Wentz turns into what we hope he does, potentially 2 franchises who were in need of a future franchise QB will be haunted by not taking him when they had the chance, the Rams and the Browns. You could even add a third for Dallas not trading up for him if preseason MVP, Dak, turns into Nick Foles.
Maybe, but even QBs with true potential can get buried in terrible franchises–chicken and egg.
I disagree with the chicken and egg concept when it comes to QBs. A quarterback with minimal potential has little chance to become great just because they were drafted by a quality franchise. But a QB with true potential can lift up a terrible franchise.
Also, we know the egg came first. Science, bitches.
TF, when did this happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a8pI65emDE
I learned it in the 80s, possibly early 90s, in National Geographic or Smithsonian Magazine. Eggs predate chickens, in general. But the first “chicken” would have been a mutation on its ancestor so she would have been hatched from an egg that wasn’t laid by a chicken.
I say this shit still doesn’t answer the true question, of whether it was the egg-laying thing or the egg that came first!
But that’s not the question. The question is the chicken.
I’ll do some research and get back to you on the egg-laying thing.
Now I’m hungry.
If there is one thing Royal Farms has taught me this summer is that the egg goes on first and then the fried chicken to make the perfect breakfast sandwich.
DGB – Gordon – JMatt
There are some crazy rumors about this floating around on Twitter.
Dallas secondary would all quit…
Can Jeff McLane stop using his ‘riverboat Howie’ nickname for Roseman? Just an awful nickname that doesn’t fit.
How about Hurricane Howie.
Sorry Hawaii Eagle, be careful out there.
Holdin on to my coconuts, aloha
Hurricane Howie sounds like a weatherman’s name.
oh, right. thats why.
http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/images/670*367/Glenn+Hurrican+Schwartz.jpg
It at least alliteration going for it.
“How we gonna get our picks back?” Roseman
Howietzer?
This one I actually like. It’s a little corny but at least it has some rhythm to it.
Thats Howie Roll…
This is Howie do it?
It’s awful and also a ripoff of Riverboat Ron over in Carolina. So its terrible and unoriginal. Nice McLane.
Howie ’bout now, dog?
Nicknames are stupid and awful -except this one.
Howie bout them Eagles!
I enjoy “Howard” the most.
Better than DP
You could just stop reading McLane’s crap.
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Does anyone actually like the Rowe trade? Pretty Dissapointing to give up on a kid so early, especially when he was raw and new to the CB position when we drafted him to begin with.. I feel like if you are going to spend high draft picks on Raw playërs, or guys who are new to the position you are drafting them to play, like MS2 and Rowe, you should be prepared to invest at least a couple seasons on patience, evaluating their growth rate before you go dump them for some lowball offer..
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Are we really going to get enough from Kline to make this a great return for giving up on a kid so fast? It’s not like we are so deep with CB talent that holding on to Rowe would take a roster spot from a great player. I would have also assumed that they would have tried him at safety before giving up on him. What makes this somewhat easier to swallow is having a defensive coordinator we really trust and respect and regardless of what Rosemans role was in this decision to trade Rowe, he would still be an eagle if Schwartz wanted him here. However on the other hand we have the greatest coach in football Bellicheat willing to bet against Schwartz opinion.
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If a team was going to trade for Rowe, its not surprising that Patriots have some interest. They went into the Eagles game trying to pick on the rookie, and Rowe stepped up and Held the Fort down…it doesn’t help that Chung looks good with the Pats after being horrible for us
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Go Figure, Jason LaConfora was all over this. Like 10 days ago, he reported that HOWIE was burning up the phone lines like crazy trying to make trades, and he even predicted Roseman would make at least two trades… And This was even before Teddy got Hurt…. ESP also amazingly called this but He has a long way to go before I respect him as more than Broken clock is right twice a day Snydrom
Howie has a bigger plan. Clearly he’s in full control.
Yeah but he ain’t trading away Defenders Schwartz wants here… I really doubt that
I think Schwartz is going to do great things with this defense, but clearly something didn’t click between him and Rowe. Rowe turned immediately bad from day 1 of the regime change and didn’t really make any progress since.
I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if he ends up being a very good player for New England at all, but at some point you just have to accept that probably wouldn’t have happened here. Kind of like Patrick Chung was fine in New England, Terrible here, was never going to be anything but terrible here, went back to New England and he is fine again.
We would have all said similar things about Jaylen Watkins last year….. A year later it seems to have finally “clicked” for the kid
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Hopefully Mills can develope into the starting Caliber stud we hoped Rowe would be..
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Wonder if the Niners made an offer for Rowe?
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Was the Aaron Grymes injury season ending?
I think this is just a sign the the coaches threw in the towel on this one. Like the coaching staff just didn’t feel like they were going to get Rowe to where he needed to be. Watkins left and came back as a fringe roster guy. Only the regime change saved him imo, this coaching staff has had quite the opposite effect on him.
Watkins needed to be sent packing to motivate him.
Despite his confidence and LSU pedigree, I fear that Mills’ ceiling is slot corner or safety based on his long speed deficiency.
I wonder if Rowe camp into this season with bad habits picked up from Davis.
This is all about regime change. Even if Chip drafted Rowe with the intention of developing him for a couple years, that grace period went out with Chip.
Your post does raise a broader point on the problem with Chip. You should be using your late picks on guys to be patient and develop for a few years like McCalister. Your first couple picks should be fairly ready to play. Why Chip sucked at drafting in a nutshell.
I dunno. Im conflicted,
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On one hand, I believe that free agency is for next season, and the draft is for your future.
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But on the other hand, coaches no longer get to implement 5 year plans. Those days are over. Coaches no longer even have the job security to be waiting on a kid for years..
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If you are going to invest high picks in projects, MS2 was a smart way to do it in the sense that he played a position that we were set at already with BG, Barwin, Curry all being capable starting caliber edge rushers so we didn’t really NEED marcus to perform right away, I always viewed him in the sense that we just needed him to eventually grow into a quality starter for when it’s time to seamlessly transition from BG/Barwin to MS3 in years 3, 4, or 5 (whenever we were going to move on for those players)… It was a strategic draft pick, at a position we could afford to be patient with..
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Where as, you really can’t draft playërs like Rowe anymore in the sense that he was a Raw corner who recently transitioned from safety to corner, who was drafted in the second round by a team that had a Major starting Need at the CB position,. It’s not as easy to be patient with a high draft pick when he plays a position that you are really weak at.
I believe Lurie would have given Chip a 5 year window if not for the personal conflicts. I’d wager Doug has a similar leash.
Rowe’s value was also probably about to fall off a cliff as he was supposedly 5th CB.
There were rumors several days ago we were looking to move Rowe. So, that clearly indicated he wasn’t going to make the team. I’m disappointed it didn’t work out — he did flash some talent last year and it might have been nice to try him at safety — but this sometimes does happen with regime change. And we’re getting back much more than just Dennis Kelly. The 4th rounder is pretty good, plus having a better backup OL I was definitely happy about, though we’ll have to see what we do there trade-wise. I can’t fathom keeping Josh Andrews over him unless he gets a good return.
Rowe is not a busted pick at all — just a different direction now.
Man, I’m guessing people’s roster predictions are pretty much destroyed like an NCAA bracket by now. Now we just need Howie to trade Jason Peters or something insane like that.
he definitely should trade peters, the guy is going to be dragged off the field this year
So will our rookie franchise QB if we trade him.
Wentz will be scraped Off the field if you trade Peters… Not sure getting the rookie murdered is worth an extra 6th round pick
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon y…”
Jesus Howie you crazy fuck! ok it can turn into a 3rd! Just don’t hurt us!
– My internal dramatization of Howie Roseman negotiations.
look at the big brain on Howie
“Say Kolb again. Say Kolb again! Say Kolb one more goddamn time.”
Rowe’s decline can only be attributed to one thing: smoothies, lack of.
Maybe he just needs more music during practice?
This Narrative is emerging from some in the media that Roseman DOESNT know what he is doing this offseason, changing course at the drop of the dime instead of having a well thoughts out plan for this season..
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Yet when the media was critical of Roseman spending too much on the QB position Rosemans explanation was always “you can never have enough QB talent” and that he was simply adding the most QB talent available to us… HOWIE can’t see the future, and he can’t just come out and tell the media that he will use the QBs he just signed as trade chips,.. But you can’t say that he has no plan and is going in a million directions because the ONLY reason we had this opportunity to get a 1st and 4th is because Rosemans planning put us in this position to really capitalize on this big opportunity, while the media was,criticizing him investing too much in the QB position… HOWIE could never forsee Teddy getting hurt, but if we would have listened to the media criticism, we would never have been able to capitalize on the Vikings desperation…
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I don’t know if I can imagine a GM do a better job of purging a team of so many of its mistakes and flaws in one offseason than what Roseman has been able to accomplish, the media can’t disrespect that and act like he just lucked into all these moves
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Guard was probably the biggest weakness of the 2015 Eagles… Looks like HOWIE may have solved that problem this offseason, with Brooks and hopefully Suemalo projecting as starting Guards for years to come bringing stability to the interior of our OL
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Safety has friggin haunted us since losing DAWKINS. HOWIE was GM when we signed Malcom Jenkins at a time when there were a few Sqfeties who were rated much higher than Jenkins.. And Roseman finished the job signing McLeod this summer, Truley securing what should be one of the baddest safety tandems in the league for years to come
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Not every GM is capable of getting rid of two high paid mistakes such as Maxwell and Demaro just one year after making a big financial commitment to them, and that’s a testament to how Roseman constructs his contracts, thankfully Chip Couldnt fuck up the way we design contracts during his one year in charge.
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Weak WR’s? Lacking a deep threat? No problem, HOWIE manages to get a yoûng WR with a ridiculously high ceiling to hopefully develope and help realize his full potential. A super athlete who averaged 17yards per catch as a raw rookie to play with our young, big armed Gunslimger who loves to take shots down field… Wentz and DGB might not be great football players today, but not many teams have a young QB/WR tandem with more potential than DGB and Wentz. If those kids even come close to realizing their full potential, we are in store for some fun times
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The Most impressive of all, is we had the 13th pick in the draft, we managed to move up to #2 while getting teams to take playërs we wished we could get rid of, and what really blows my mind is how quickily Roseman has been abke to recoup almòst all the picks we traded for Wentz.
What are you even talking about? What narrative? Provide links.
sounds like original thoughts?
Some hacks did that for click bait… That is all. Geagle tends to over analyze some…make that everything.
I’ve seen a few articles and more than a few fan posts claiming just that. Although the overall narrative has been positive, it’s definitely not a figment of Geagles imagination that such a narrative exists. And, before the Bradford trade there were tons of articles claiming what the Eagles did at QB was stupid. Even after the trade there were a few that praised the compensation but made it clear that Howie shouldn’t get credit since it basically fell in our lap and bailed us out of all the stupid QB decisions he made leading up to the trade.
Fair enough. But what is the point? That there are a few people in the media questioning the decision making of an NFL “GM” like figure? Doesn’t that happen all the time for 32 teams? Especially when one of them is doing things actively?
I just don’t see it as anything even slightly related to potentially significant.
They’re judging him for not having a plan and sticking to it. Well by their criteria, any flexibility, ability to react, and taking advantage of opportunity/ies is a weakness? That’s plain stupid. Whereas, if all they did was stick to a plan – some media would say “they are being stubborn, inflexible, and arrogant”.
Well yea…then we agree. The point is that people pushing that narrative, in my humble opinion, are pretty ignorant and short sighted. And, ultimately, I disagree with their assessment and actually think what Howie has done is pretty impressive, regardless of how it eventually works out.
I think that was GEAGLE’s point as well. He’s just commenting that he’s shocked to see some people pushing that narrative, that he disagrees with it, and then points out why he thinks Howie has done such a masterful job this offseason. Which is a good post in my opinion. It’s relevant to things that are actually happening in regards to the Eagles, posted on an Eagles blog’s message board and is discussing his views on the current discussion of our GMs recent moves. Isn’t that the point of a discussion board on a Philadelphia Eagles blog site message board?
Not sure what the point of your response is. It’s an internet comment board, Geagle commented on some of the current commentary on Howie’s recent moves. Your point then is that the current commentary that he’s commenting on isn’t “anything even slightly related to potentially significant”? OK.
“And, before the Bradford trade there were tons of articles claiming what the Eagles did at QB was stupid.”
Raises his hand. Sorry, I still think it was stupid. It fell Howie’s way, to our benefit. If this once-in-a-generation event didn’t happen (playoff team’s QB gets hurt and they desperately trade for a starter), we would still be saddled with two expensive stiffs and an extremely expensive rookie hope.
To Howie’s credit, it worked out well and he is indeed doing a great job of getting rid of a lot of mistakes (some of which he was a part of) and recouping draft picks.
Now let’s see him get some players.
No, the Bradford contract was set up to be a one-year deal, then either cut or renegotiate. Once the Wentz stuff happened, it became a trade-or-release after this season, and so he would be bait to recoup some of the draft picks lost in the Wentz trade.
From other teams’ perspective, if traded this year they get two years of Bradford at $12 million per, which is very attractive, so Roseman knew he could move that if he had to. Next year would be a little less attractive $17 million salary for one year, but teams can still fit that into their cap space and it’s not outrageous, and if Bradford had a very good season then he was still tradable for a decent return. I guessed we could at least get a 2nd rounder next offseason for him. If Bradford basically tanked, we could release him with basically no penalty (the guaranteed $$$ for next year would have been recouped via offsets when he signed elsewhere).
So… by signing Bradford, he guaranteed we’d at least have a viable QB going forward if he was not able to swing something for Wentz/Goff. And once he had both, the contract (though seemingly huge) was structured to be able to move it either this season or next, or cut him without pain after one year. Plus, we’d have a full season looking at Bradford not coming off injury, and a season of Wentz in practice, and could make a more informed decision after that. I’m sure we could have traded Wentz for 1 or 2 1st round picks had Bradford turned into a revelation, though the most likely scenario was we trade Bradford after getting one more good year out of him then start with Wentz.
Things were set up to take advantage of an emergency like Minnesota had if it came up, though obviously you can’t expect that to happen — and he had a pretty transparent plan if it didn’t, too.
The Chase Daniels contract we really can’t get out of that easily though. That’s not franchise-killing though.
I understand the Bradford contract was advantageous (since no one else wanted him, but think what that means…). For this rebuilding year, we still had too much money tied up in non-productive players IMO. THEN they had Wentz fall in their lap. I think the trades to move up in the draft (Maxwell, etc) were lucky, and then they decided to go all out for Wentz. Again, based on Wentz’ college career, that’s not a decision I would make.
disagree that those trades were luck. That has been Howie’s main strength as a GM
Oh, I don’t know if I would have made the Wentz deal either. I hate trading future 1sts and I don’t like those big tradeups, and Wentz just sounded like a very large risk to begin with. But the Bradford contract (and even Daniels) didn’t put all *that* much money on this year’s cap. It was next year were something had to give (and that something was pretty obviously Bradford, via either trade, release, or renegotiation). I did like that it gave us a year to better figure out Bradford and Wentz, but when that Vikings deal was put out there, to recoup a ton of the risk we paid out for Wentz in the first place, I guess you have to take it and see what you have in the rookie. No more hedging bets. If we are absolutely terrible in 2017, which we probably will be if Wentz busts, then we have a high pick again.
Well I’m just gonna go ahead and disagree with just about everything you said.
It’s a “once in a generation event” for a QB to sustain a season ending injury? I beg to differ. Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Sam Bradford (twice), Dante Culpepper, McNabb, McNair, Manning, Delhomme, Vick, Bledsoe and that’s just off the top of my head from the past 10-15 years. You can add Randall Cunningham, Dan Marino, Steve Young, if you wanna go back another decade. The point is that QBs going down with injuries are a very common occurrence. How can stocking up on the most important position in the game and banking on the fact that some team over a two year period will eventually be desperate for one be a “stupid” idea?
Furthermore, we didn’t need a “once-in-a-generation” confluence of events to take place for Bradford to have substantial trade value. All we needed was for him to stay relatively healthy and play relatively well enough for a league strapped with a lack of QB talent to come calling. He was worth a 2nd and Nick Foles (a starting QB at the time) in 2015. The Browns had even reportedly offered a first round pick that off season. And, he was coming off of two straight ACL tears. Even if no one get’s injured, we’re trading him for at minimum a 2nd round pick next offseason and if he’s healthy and coming off a decent season, probably more.
Again, how is that stupid? It in no way crippled our cap, it gave us the best chance of winning in 2016, and almost guaranteed us that we’d get a substantial trade asset in return, and if over the course of two years some QB from a playoff team happens to go down with a season ending injury (something that seems to happen every other year) then we might even be able to get a boat load more back in a trade.
Seems like a win-win-win scenario and not the stupid, poorly thought out idea that just happened by the grace of god to be bailed out by extreme circumstances and luck. Howie, of course, can’t see the future and didn’t “know” Bridgewater would get hurt. But, he was smart enough to recognize the inherent value in starting caliber QBs (even mediocre ones), he recognized the lack of such QBs in the league and the high likelihood that eventually a team would be desperate enough for a starting QB that they’d give up substantial trade value to get one and he made sure he had invested in plenty of the most valuable football asset there was, so when that inevitably happened he was able to capitalize.
Then that did happen, and he did capitalize on it, and you people still call it stupid for some unknown reason.
Clearly they’ve had plans. Roseman is executing anyway. I don’t think he’s in a vacuum completely by himself. He’s responsible but I’m sure he isn’t not talking to Douglas, Pederson, Schwartz (who said when he came here he liked being very involved in personnel side), etc.
Teddy got hurt. It changed everything for us this year. Rowe is at the end of the bench. So they decided to get something for him before his value went down sitting on the bench.
It’s so nice to see that at least some people actually get it. Nice post, Geagle!
How many of those articles were by people quick to bury Howie as ‘not a football guy?’ Let’s face it, Howie has been a polarizing figure in the media, both locally and nationally. Lots of people were quick to sprinkle dirt on his grave when Chip muscled him out. They can’t turn around and call Howie a genius without looking like morons themselves.
The fact we’re moving on from Death Rowe really bums me out. Shame it didn’t work with the changeover in D.
Hopefully we flip Kline for something decent.
Shame we couldn’t make the Niners give up something for Hart
Treggs? 😉
hah. had that trade actually happened, i don’t think i would have been upset at all. i’m just going to assume thats how it played out
Maybe Howie can trade a new team name to the Redskins for DeSean Jackson and two Philly Cheese steaks to big Red for Jeremy Maclin.
Amazes me what Roseman accomplished
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We traded up 11 spots to #2 to get our franchise QB(hopefully) and we literally won’t have to go a single draft without having a first round pick, THATS just amazing… Our Rivals traded up a couple spots to draft RG3 at #2 and they had to endure years of not drafting in the first round. Mind blowing that Roseman managed to almost recoup all the picks we traded away for Wentz before the end of the summer. That’s just amazing, that we are in position to get our young QB and still have most of our picks to build the team in the next couple drafts
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Honestly, I’d much rather watch SAM Bradford QB the Eagles this yeàr because there is no question he gives us a better chance to win. When I first heard we traded Bradford I was not happy, but that quickily changed as soon as the real compensation we got in return leaked. Im a bigger fan of SAM than most, and I never imagined we would get a first round pick for him, not now, and not next offseason. No way we could turn down the opportunity to Sacrafice Sam to practically recoup all our lost ability to build a team around Wentz thru the draft
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Hopefully losing SAM won’t make the on the field product unbearable this year. Wentz is most likely going to endure plenty of struggles this year, and that’s easier to endure when you know they are building something, going thru growing pains that would hopefully pay off in a big way down the road.. But this is still about entertainment first and foremost, and it’s a long regular season that we wait months for during the offseason, so hopefully Wentz and the offense can have enough success to not make the yeàr completely unbearable like most people in the national media are predicting, even more so now that we traded SAM…. But I certainly can’t take it for granted that we won’t be subjected to Chase Daniel. Nothing would be more demoralizing than that..
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Hopefully the Wentz led offense won’t be a complete disaster…
Excerpt… Mayock’s been pumping Wentz up for a long time though. The angle to go ahead and get the kinks out is an angle no one’s talked about much…:
“Everybody feels this kid is ready to go,” Eagles coach Doug Pederson said Monday.
“Since they drafted him, he’s exceeded all of their expectations,” said NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, who was the television analyst on the Eagles’ preseason games on CSN this summer.
“Despite the injury, I think they came away feeling he was ready to play a lot earlier than they thought he would be.”
Mayock never has been big on the watch-and-learn method of developing first-round quarterbacks. He feels the best way they can learn, the fastest way they can learn, is by playing.
“Both Wentz and the Eagles are going to be a lot better off (with him playing) than if they had waited a year,” he said. “Every rep he gets this year should make him a better player next year.
“I’m a play-now guy with one caveat – that you can protect the kid. I’ve seen a lot of top 10 quarterbacks get the crap kicked out of them early in their career and not turn into what we all thought they were going to be.
“That’s why I always talk about Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco. They came out the same year. Both of them started 16 games as rookies and played pretty well. Why? Because their teams had good run games and good defenses. That took a lot of pressure off what they were asked to do. It enabled them to get a lot of reps and be that much more effective in Year 2.”
Mayock is bullish on Wentz. Had him rated higher than Goff. Thinks he’s going to be an outstanding NFL quarterback. The one thing that does give him slight pause are those 612 college pass attempts.
“Even Flacco, who only had three more starts than him at a Division 1-AA school (Delaware), threw it 946 times,” he said. “And Goff had a thousand more live reps in college than Carson.
“So if there’s one thing I’m worried about with him, it’s the pocket awareness, the ability to slide and move and get the football out quickly. I really believe that’s going to be his biggest challenge this year. Just getting more comfortable in the pocket and knowing that everything’s got to speed up a little more quickly. The ball’s got to get out more quickly.”
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20160906_Domo__Mayock_endorses_move_to_Wentz.html
Careful.
The generous quoting from the article could infringe on Philly.com’s copyright.
Which could get T-Law into trouble, since he’s the blogmaster here.
Great story . . . just need to quote less of it.
Their loss. No free marketing for them.
Hooray self-policing! A sign of a healthy commentariat (I’m not even being sarcastic).
I’m a little late to the party here, forgive me if this was already discussed in the 250+ comments before mine.
It seems, much like Brandon Boykin, there is something else going on with Rowe. Maybe a personality conflict, maybe he list his competitive drive thinking he “made it,” maybe a hidden injury. I wonder if we will ever find out.
Must be injury since we know he has a “growth mindset”.
Can we trade Kline already? Football trades are so rare that when you are told one is in the works, it’s captivating.
Wow, the Rams have listed Goff as inactive. Case keenum will be starting and sean mannion will be the backup
Ah, remember the old days when every scout said Goff was more ready because he played better talent and had more experience than Wentz.
With Sam gone, does that change the conversation on trading any of the other vets? Sproles? Peters? Celek?
Personally, I doubt we get anything worth the adjustment for Celek. We are handcuffed to Peters by the Johnson screwup. Sproles, though, I would at least listen. He is aging and there are players waiting in the wings.
If you want to tank the season then sure go ahead and trade Sproles.
How many games does Sproles change from a L to a W over Smallwood/Marshall? Is it two? I can’t fathom it is more and likely is less.
That’s the difference between 0-16 and 2-14.
I was thinking the difference between resting the starters for one week instead of three heading into playoffs.
the season is in the tank already.
the sharks are circling
Frankly, if we are going to play Wentz, I’d like to have him learn with as good as offensive weapons as possible. To trade any of those guys, you’d have to have replacements you thought could be as good, but are simply not playing out of respect for the veteran. I don’t think we have those.
None of those guys are going anywhere. The Bradford trade wasn’t an MLB-style “fire sale”, it was an unusual opportunity based on the Vikings specific situation that made it appealing to both sides.
If some team decides to call up for Peters and offer a first and a fourth, hell yeah. Later, Jason, hope to see you in Canton! But is that really going to happen?
Didn’t we say the exact same thing about Bradford?
Realistically, your right, but never say never.
I don’t think anyone said “even if a the Eagles were offered a first round pick for Bradford he’s staying.” The chances of that were pretty slim considering the player’s history and lack of previous trade partners.
Bridgewater’s injury was the perfect storm for this trade.
Yeah, something completely bizarre could happen. It’s hard to imagine the conditions another team would be in to make a worthwhile offer for any of the remaining Eagles vets.
I think you hang onto Sproles and wait until the trade deadline to see where the team is and what he wants to do.
Should be better than a 2018 4th round pick now.
https://twitter.com/LesBowen/status/773283649651347456
My guess is the conditions that caused pick to be upgraded slightly improved in Eagles’ favor.
GR:
Any word on the compensation now?
Les Bowen
@LesBowen
3m3 minutes ago
Whatever this unannounced #Eagles trade involving Eric Rowe is, my understanding is that Josh Kline no longer is involved in any way…
My guess is that once it leaked what Eagles were getting for Rowe pick-wise, the other team figured Kline wasn’t main part of package and they’d take chances Eagles cut him vs. giving up a pick for him.
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Must have been Belichick who leaked — to screw Roseman because the Eagles fired Bill’s Buddy, Chip.
Kline had shoulder surgery in offseason and may have tweaked it in the 3rd preseason game, possible he failed it with Eagles or 3rd team involved in trade.
So Belichick screwed Roseman and leaked on him? Damn, thats brutal. Figuratively speaking, we could say Belichik let the air out of Howie’s balls, huh?
Ugh. So Howie knew another team wanted Kline, and the leak probably messed things up. Wonder if this is a re-leak to try and fix it 😉
Somewhat odd situation though.
I’m thinking of going to the game on Sunday should I wear my Josh Kline or LeCharles Bentley jersey?
Double up with Frank Gore
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
59s60 seconds ago
OL Josh Kline no longer will be included in trade sending CB Eric Rowe to Patriots. Kline remains Patriots property and could be released.
Hopefully Eagles get a little something something to compensate.
A donut. Or free tickets to the Patriots super bowl appearance maybe!
Gift certificate to Davio’s at Patriot Place
Gronk?
I get off the train soon pls release trade details now.
Hope you aren’t talking about the WentzExpress!
Maybe the cond. 4th round pick turns now into 3 future 1st rounders if Rowe catches 27 Ints in one game..?!
I am pretty sure things broke down because Howie’s replacement in the laundry room found that we are completely out out OL jerseys.
Funny how the media tore him down and made fun of him when he was demoted by Chip and now sing his praises.
Recency bias is extremely strong in sports.
You might think so now because of what just happened…
Mike Reiss
@MikeReiss
3m3 minutes ago
G Josh Kline, who didn’t practice Tuesday, has remained in New England today. Thus, his removal from trade isn’t tied to any physical in PHL
Maybe the Pats wanted to include Kline in the trade, Eagles said no thanks, Pats said well maybe you can get something from him from another team, Eagles said well we’ll try but if not the trade is X(which we’ll find out later).
Seems odd. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t a 4th round pick in 2018 equivalent to a 5th round pick in 2017? That seems like a pretty crappy return for a 2nd round pick with 3 years left on his rookie contract.
Banner says that 1 year = 1 round isn’t really accurate for teams any more, but yeah, that isn’t good return for a second rounder.
On the other hand, the second rounder is a sunk cost. Is a 4th decent return for a player that you no longer want? Perhaps.
Banner used to be a really good follow on Twitter, now he is more about politics with a little football thrown in here and there.
Yep, probably until November. I like him more that I would have guessed.
I stopped following a few months ago.
Not for a guy on the bubble who was rumoured to be cut for nothing not a long time ago.
Teams differ on how they view current picks compared to future ones. Some treat them as having the same value. Others treat them as having a round less value for each future year.
Maybe if he played like one then he wouldn’t be traded for peanuts.
This reminds me of Billy D and Vinny Curry. To say that Rowe couldn’t play outside corner is plausible, but ruling him out of being a backup asafety or slot corner seems premature, especially how well he plays on special teams. Hell, we keep Brayman and Maragos on the team just to play special teams. Rowe’s salary is lower than both of theirs.
Even Billy D found a use for Curry. Couldn’t deny his talent even though he wasn’t a scheme fit.
I’m with you on Braman and Maragos. Both guys have pretty much one skill and zero upside if forced to play anywhere else. I love how good the Eagles have been on Special Teams of late, but I think they’ve overpaid.
That’s what I don’t understand with Rowe. Everyone talks about how Jalen Watkins turned it around. It took him 3 training camps but here we are saying a 2nd year player cannot be converted to slot CB or the third safety. Something more is at play.
When Nolan starts getting torched again in games, they can tell us that he was a great plactice player though.
Not really, players don’t really retain their draft value.
Sam Bradford would disagree.
Was he worth the first overall pick?
He was worth a 1st, 2nd, two 4th rounders and Nick Foles. Whether or not you think he retained his draft value or not, that was substantial nonetheless.
Would you consider Dennis Kelly a good return? 😉
If it can become a 3rd if he pans out, that is a solid return for a guy who obviously was going to be on the bottom end of your roster. You keep him for a year and don’t play him his value will drop further.
He’s not a great fit for our new system but teams know he could play in certain others, so there is some value there — I’m OK with it. I sorta liked getting another solid OL back as well though.
My ff draft is tomorrow night and after many years with standard scoring, we are switching to PPR. Anyone have a good site I can get a good draft cheatsheet? I dont like the defaults on Yahoo and I have no desire to use a pay service.
I splurged $5 for the Rotowire app. First time I spent money. I won’t hesitate to do it again. You plug in your own scoring, very customizable and easy to use.
I believe FF Toolbox used to do something similar for free that you could print out, not sure if they still do.
Time to get ready for our IgglesBlitz FF draft!
Is it ppr?
No. But I just logged in and Howie has the 1st pick. Pretty sure I’m going down.
So now it sounds like its just Rowe for the 4th. Not a fan of this deal.
source?
Tom Curran tweet
I saw it now too. Let’s see what the conditions will be.
To steal from Ollie Reynolds on Twitter, the trade was de-Klined.
There hasn’t been any type of real clarification. It was a conditional pick. Conditions could have been changed.
I wanted at least a 3rd. Hopefully the conditions are very favorable.
Even then it’s not until 2018. I mean it’s not the end of the world but bleh
Yes, I realize you never want to be in the same company as Cleveland and Tennessee, but:
Tennessee traded the 40th overall pick last year(DGB) for Dennis freaking Kelly. They outright cut the 66th overall pick.
Cleveland traded the 8th overall pick from 2014 for a 2018 6th.
Both teams had regime change, just like the Eagles. When that happens, recent high picks are going to be a casualty. The Eagles at least were able to get a much better return. The team needs to keep the same GM and HC for a significant amount of time to minimize these wastes of picks.
It’s kinda hard to judge. Why did the team seem so willing to outright release him? Getting anything might be a good deal for us, but we don’t know what the hell was going on with Rowe.
Better than cutting him for nothing. Certainly not pleased with the return on a 2nd round pick, especially one who showed promise, but have to be objective. He didn’t earn a spot on the 53 on merit this year. Was only there as a ‘can we get anything for him’ fall back. I have no idea what went wrong with Rowe but it was clear watching him in the Jets game that he had no business starting or even making the team.
He’ll be great w Pats we all know it
The next Patrick Chung
Yes but bigger, stronger & better athlete. . There will be Rowe jersies in the stands
I bet they even make DeathRowe catch on.
Death Rowe Records if he is s league leader
Goff not even suiting up sunday
If and when Wentz plays well, it’s going to put a lot of pressure on the Rams/Goff.
Jeff Fisher feels no pressure. The only way he loses his job is to take over when Goodall retires as Commish.
If there was a Mt. Rushmore of White privilege in the NFL, Jeff Fisher would certainly be on it. How many passes can one man get as a head coach in the NFL??? How can one man manage to be so mediocre but routinely given immunity for his ineptness as a GM/coach???
21 years is hard to fathom with only 3 division titles. Year 22 doesn’t look promising.
21 years and just 5 playoff wins. If you take away his ’99 run which was aided significantly by Eddie and McNair (rip), he’s won 2 playoff games over a 20 year span. That is atrocious.
He must have some serious emotional intelligence.
I still prefer him to Rich Kotite.
5 times. wait no 6 times.
Andy Reid?
He is the Sam Bradford of NFL coaches…there’s no doubt about that.
Too funny, but true
Suspected that since week one of the preseason. No shocked at all. At this point, I’ll be surprised if Goff ever pans out for the Rams.
Hate to be Josh Kline today, going from starter to not even good enough to be a kicker in a trade.
This is better
https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/773310394337202176
these conditional picks are about as real as unguaranteed $
I believe he is inferring the conditional part would be removed and it would just become a third.
I think he is just repeating the deal as it was with exception being removed. Conditional 4th where conditions are that it could be upgraded to a 3rd if certain parameters are reached.
Then again, it’s Eskin, so who knows what he meant.
It meant that there were 20 other tweets by other writers for a few hours before Eskin posted this
I read it that Eskin may have had new inside information that the conditional part was being removed. Eskin usually doesn’t put out the same info as others hours later.
Can somebody please tell me what the Eagles got for Rowe, of if Rowe was even traded. PFT and 24/7 at a quick glance just befuddled me.
No. Nobody can right niw. Its all conjecture. The media wants to say things before they happen and are confirmed.
But if it’s on the internet it must be true…..
A 4th that could become a 3rd.
do yous guys really think Wentz will be the guy to break the mold?
is he that good?
played what 16 games at QB in college? at NDSU no less, and now starting in the NFL?
injury history from college right up to his very first NFL action gets a broken rib and he is the guy?
I think he looked good and it will be exciting but the chances of wentz being the guy seem pretty freakin slim to me. odds are
The odds of any drafted QB being the guy is pretty slim, let alone Wentz.
I knew it! damn
Awesome, leaks ruin the Kline deal. I wonder if a head will roll because of this.
Likely to be Rowe’s agent. Those guys are generally the source of transaction leaks.
EDIT: or Kline’s agent, more likely.
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
2m2 minutes ago
Eagles were shopping OL Josh Kline after landing him (before he reverted to Pats). Also shopping OL Josh Andrews and more….
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
1m1 minute ago
Eagles also indicated willingness to other teams to potentially move C/G Stefan Wisniewski as well. Clearly looking to move OL
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Dear God
I hope we will keep Wiz and move that bum Andrews instead.
I can’t say I know enough about OL play or pay enough to it in the preseason games to say. I do remember being quite impressed with Andrews in the 4th preseason game last year against Jets and adding him to my projected 53-man roster. He then ended up making the team. With Tobin, Kelly, and Gardner looking like hot garbage at RG last year I wanted Andrews to get a shot but he never did. This year we signed/drafted guys that appeared to be ahead of him on the depth chart and I assumed he wouldn’t make the team so I didn’t pay any attention to him in the preseason. I didn’t notice anything egregiously good or egregiously bad.
What does “reverted to pats” mean?
Think he used wrong language. “Reverted to” is what would happen if he failed a physical but that didn’t happen here.
Wonder what they are trying to get? Picks from guys they don’t like after camp?
Put Barbre on the block. One old, somewhat athletic, but injury prone T/G who’s overpaid. Think Howie can get a 2nd rounder for him?
2nd round? Consider ourselves fortunate if we can get a 6th for Barbie doll
Is Goode a vested vet? Maybe they cut him temporarily since he wouldn’t need to pass through waivers? I am still confused over our LB situation.
Yes, he’s a vested vet. Howie can do all his machinations and then sign Goode when he has a roster spot available. Which is now although they could bump C.J. Smith back up. If they are going to re-sign Goode, one’d think it would be before practice begins tomorrow.
He will be signed after game 1 in order to avoid guaranteeing his salary.
That’s possible, but I don’t know I’d be comfortable going into a game with just Tulloch and Grugier-Hill as my backups.
Yeah, I get the feeling the roster games were more about keeping a spot to trade Rowe rather than trying to get Goode’s salary non-guaranteed.
New thread.