Trade Winds Blowing?
Posted: October 25th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 365 Comments »Not your normal midseason Monday.
Eagles, 49ers talking Torrey Smith trade https://t.co/anao3au0BG
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) October 25, 2016
Eagles exec Joe Douglas was with the Ravens when they drafted Smith. His speed has been wasted in San Fran. 49ers wanna dump salary
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) October 25, 2016
Okay, you’ve got my attention. Nothing imminent, though.
That's true. Could accelerate quickly https://t.co/vyQenhPzaO
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) October 25, 2016
Interesting. SF is having a terrible year. Smith isn’t producing for them and doesn’t have a great contract. It makes total sense for them to try and move him to add something in return and get out of that deal. Trying to figure out the compensation is tricky. Smith is too good to get for just a conditional 7th or something like that, but his contract isn’t friendly so they won’t get a lot in return.
Plenty of people have mentioned dealing Josh Huff or Nelson Agholor. Huff is a role player and good STer. He’s got another full season on his rookie deal so there is an argument for keeping him. I think the team still likes Agholor and wants to see if he can develop. Would trading Bryce Treggs back to SF be enough? There aren’t a lot of obvious candidates.
Maybe a 5th or 6th round pick would do the job. We’ll have to wait and see. The interesting part of this is the Eagles and Niners talking. Howie Roseman has no problem making a deal with anyone. I don’t think Chip is petty enough to be that way either, but we’ll have to wait and see. I know Chip isn’t the GM out there, but you can bet he’s got a big say in the moves they make.
Smith would be a good addition. Just look at his speed.
For his career prior to this half-season, Smith averages 49-851-7. He averages more than 17 yards per reception. If you play off, he can catch the ball and turn that into a big play. If you press, he can run by you. He’s got the kind of legit speed this offense could use. I’d like to see this happen if the price is right.
There is no question that the Eagles need better play from their WRs. Part of the problem is Wentz. No matter how talented a rookie, you’re still a rookie. Smith would provide you with speed and that’s something the Eagles just don’t have enough of right now.
Howie is an aggressive GM and with the Eagles off to a better start than anyone anticipated, it would make sense for him to see about making a deal that can strengthen the team. There is no need to go after an older guy, but Smith is 27 and still has a bright future. He makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways for this Eagles offense that is suddenly struggling to throw the ball.
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Wouldn't rule out the Eagles inquiring on Alshon Jeffery as well. Howie Roseman loves to make deals. Wentz needs weapons on the outside…
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) October 25, 2016
Not so sure on this one. Jeffrey is playing under the franchise tag (about $15M). He walks at the end of the year or gets a mega-deal.
Remember that La Canfora and Roseman are friendly. Could be Howie floating this rumor out there to help his negotiating power with the Niners in regard to Smith.
Then again, Howie has made some bold moves this year. Maybe he sees Jeffrey as a chance to add a potentially elite receiver for his young QB. It isn’t an absolute necessity to have one of those, but it can be a big help. Again, compensation would be tricky. Jeffrey’s pending free agency hurts his value, but the guy is having a good season (32-520) with less than ideal QB play. He can be a foundational receiver, the kind of guy you build a passing game around. Smith isn’t that type of guy.
Jeffrey feels like more of a longshot, but we’ll see.
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Eagles claim DL Taylor Hart off waivers, add CB Aaron Grymes to practice squad: https://t.co/TMZVP3wz6T
— Zach Berman (@ZBerm) October 24, 2016
When Ron Brooks went to IR, that opened up a spot. Bennie Logan isn’t fully healthy so the Eagles added a body at DT. Hart played very well this summer and is a player they really wanted to keep. He just got caught in a numbers crunch. I know that doesn’t mesh with ridding the roster of Chip’s guys, but that’s always been more of a ridiculous narrative than reality. Good players are good players. You don’t care where they came from.
Grymes needs to show that he can play so the practice squad makes a lot of sense for him.
The Eagles should be okay at CB with McKelvin, Carroll, Mills and Smith. They can also have Malcolm Jenkins play the slot if they want. Smith does need to show that he can play and contribute.
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id give a 3rd for alshon… 5th for smith
alshon and DGB on the outside sounds fun
Chicago will not get less than a 1st for Jeffrey. If the team was planning on spending that 1st on a receiver anyways, then no harm (as long as they could get a long-term deal done).
The elephant in the room is still the uncertainty of the OT position. WR is a need, but Wentz will not last if both Peters and Johnson are out.
I’m not so sure. It’s going to be more than a 3, but you’re only going to do it if you have an agreement in place on an extension.
That contract is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 70 million, with roughly 50% guaranteed.
I think a 2, 4, and maybe a 2018 4th is probably more in the ballpark.
I’m going with the supply-demand argument. There’s only so many guys available with his pedigree. I think if a team trades for him, it’s with the intention of giving him the monster contract.
With that said, I’d absolutely do a #1 if AJ confirmed that he would sign a long term deal. Securing that position for the next ten years is invaluable.
I’ll go with the if you wanted to lock him up long term you’d have done it already. He probably doesn’t want to suffer through Cutler or a rebuild so they’ll have to pay top dollar to keep him after the season.
Brandon Marshall went for 2 2nds and was in a similar contract situation.
I agree. Alshon being tagged for a 2nd year might be too pricey for them and he’d get them a 2018 end of the 3rd round compensatory pick if walks and they don’t sign anybody of merit.
I’d work off of end of the 3rd round as my starting point for a trade with them.
Jeffery won’t be in Chicago next year so they’ll take the highest bid they can get for him.
they wont get a 1st since he wont be under contract and will need a new huge contract after season
Wentz needs time to throw or WRs who can get open. I’m worried about the OL in both the short and long term, but trading for a WR makes a lot of sense.
OL gave Went enough time vs the Vikings
I can’t watch that highlight reel on Smith unless he is actually on the Eagles. I do not want to get my hopes up . Trades mid-season are so rare. Howie is aggressive so we can’t dismiss the possibility, but generally when Howie makes a deal nobody knows about it until its a done deal.
I can’t watch it either. It got taken down!
“I wish I had a dollar for every time someone told me one esteemed coach or another advised one of the Eagles’ top candidates not to take the job precisely because of Roseman’s presence there” – Jason La Canfora 2013
Since when did they become friendly?
I don’t really see the fit of Smith on this team, not that I would mind getting him. Agholor is just as fast, and I don’t see them wanting to take Matthews or DGB off the field too much. Can’t hurt, but hope they don’t deal any players for him.
Difference between Smith and Agholor is that one has actually NFL production
If Agholor was a good WR this wouldnt even be a thing.
You don’t have to tell me about Agholor, I’ve thought he’s garbage since last season.
Here’s proof of that – career averages:
Agholor: 2.1 catches per game for 24.9 ypg
Riley Cooper: 1.9 catches for 27.5 ypg
And at least Cooper could block.
Ags is in his 2nd year; i wouldn’t put him in Cooper territory
That’s not adjusting for Chip bloated stats…
You summed up the post I was going to make very concisely.
Speed don’t mean diddly if you can’t catch and hold onto the ball!
I just happened to be researching this.
Torrey Smith catch %: 41-53%
Zach Ertz catch %: 63-69%
Jordan Matthews catch %: 61-67%
Nelson Agholor: 52-56%
As I said…
Could be a very frustrating player. OTOH, these rates aren’t adjusted for depth of target. And Desean Jackson’s catch rate isn’t much better (FWIW).
I saw in another article how Smith only has five drops in 93 targets over the last two seasons – seems better than what we’ve got now.
That means the other unsuccessful attempts would be misses by the QB?
Torrey Smith has averaged 17.2 yards per catch in his career. Agholor 11.6 yards per catch. Wentz could use a veteran WR but I am on the fence with a trade.
I love to add Smith. Legit speed and size. Can drop the football with the best of them, but DGB, Matthews and Smith would actually be a competent wr trio
Looks like Chip/Baalke are having a fire sale – Joe Staley is available as well, although they somehow think they can get a 1st rounder for him (LOL).
Staley is just a rumor last I heard.
https://twitter.com/igglesnut/status/790736358272884736
I’m not paying $8 mil / year to Smith given he’s a salary dump from the Niners. They can convert those roster and workout bonuses to a 2016 signing bonus and then trade him to us if they’d like.
Yea, the Niners needs to change his contract slightly for us to take it
Not really, once we inherit it there is nothing guaranteed. We can just let him play out the season and reevaluate then.
If it’s not working at all, you can just dump him.
If he’s solid you can probably lower the AAV by adding years and giving performance escalators.
I still think 6.5 base salary is too high and the Eagles will pay him 8 mill next year unless they change it.
Like I said they’ll almost certainly restructure it after the season.
Something like 5 years 38 million (10guaranteed) would make sense.
6,6,7,9,10 annual hits.
He’ll never see the last two years, but you give him more guaranteed money, and throw in annual bonus of like 1.5 mil if he goes for say 1000 and 8TD.
I assume he already got the roster bonus and workout bonus, so it would really just be for 4.5 mill this year and reevaluate next year since nothign is guaranteed.
Trade for him and see how it works out. His 2017 contract only becomes guaranteed in April 2017 so if he struggles and is not worth the contract then you can redo the contract lowering the $$ for real guarantees or just cutting him.
Also not sure $8mil a year is a lot in the 2017 free agent market – we need a vet WR and anyone is going to be hugely expensive down the road. For the cost of what will probably be a 4th or 5th round pick or a fringe roster guy then it could make a lot of sense for the Eagles.
That’s a lot less than Maclin is making. If he was a free agent, would you think it was a good signing if the Eagles wrote that same contract?
so this makes me think no djax next year?
Sure, if you jump to conclusions, but that still makes sense $ wise. Djax next year will cost way more than Torrey Smith via trade, whether we rework his deal or not.
Ehhhhhhh.
Smith will cost $8mil a season for the next three seasons all unguaranteed.
DJAX will be 30 and is a primarily speed WR. He’ll get paid but it’s going to be around 8mil per. I think his contract looks something like 4years 35 mil.
Fair enough.
I live in the DC area and fans here are pretty much done with him. Nothing to do with his off the field stuff. He’s just not doing much. Whether it’s the offense, QB, or him, it’s not clear. He just might not have the elite burst he once had.
He’s always been a one trick pony…and the trick used to be dynamite, but rarely any longer is that true. We got his best years.
think it has more to do w/ kirk having no arm.
Torrey Smith and Joe Staley for Barwin, Ryan Matthews and a bottle of stickem?
Yess yessss yesssssss. This seems like it would be the perfect shake up.
If Howie trades for Smith, Agholor needs to go. He has no special teams value and would be the 3rd or 4th receiver on the team, depending on how the team views DGB.
“Remember that La Canfora and Roseman are friendly. Could be Howie floating this rumor out there to help his negotiating power with the Niners in regard to Smith.”
That was my thoughts exactly when i heard this
I thought La Canfora was the one that said no one wants to do business with Howie or some such way back when Howie was a new GM? Or was he the one the said no one wants to work with Howie when we were looking for a new coach (right before we landed Chip)? Might be wrong, or I suppose grown men don’t necessarily hold grudges for 5 years.
My understanding is we haven’t even talked to the Bears about Jeffry and that it was more of an assumption people think makes sense, than a substantial report
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Allegedly people just threw out Jeffries name as a deal that makes sense,after it was reported that we been talking to San Fran about Torrey
Would love to have both these guys. Jeffery is a legit #1 receiver and Smith a #2. Huff and Agholor and proven they are not top talents. I would rather trade for Joe Thomas. O-line is more important than receiver right now. Protect the franchise!
So which 30 something Left Tackle that has never played RT are you moving?
Done deal.
We are getting Alshon and Torrey cause if I learned anything this offseason it’s…..
“What Howie Wants, Howie Gets!”
The Derek Newton injury was awfully close to a non-contact injury. Playing tackle, he dropped back, set to meet the DE, and collapsed. If the DE touched his, he was already on the way down.
https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/790898513794203648
Von Miller just that good
Trades where there are rumors prior to it taking place never happen. I’m kind of mad that we didn’t go after Travis Benjamin. He makes less than Chase Daniel
Benjamin hasn’t looked very good on the Chargers, I’ve seen multiple games of them especially where he fumbled against the Saints to lose the game.
so many acl injuries on that team only one guy they’ve actually got to cover
Is it possible that this…
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/790878075114385408
…is related to this…
https://twitter.com/MarkEckel08/status/790878462789750784
Agholor is averaging 3 catches for 32 yards per game. I think this is the same situation as when DGB was acquired, just about any starting receiver on any other team in the NFL is an upgrade to Nelson. At this point, Marcus Smith is a better DE than Nelson is a WR.
none of our pass catchers have any stats to talk about. i don’t think it’s just on them. most passes are with 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. difference between winning and piling stats.
“most passes are with 5 yards of the line of scrimmage” because outside of Jordan Mathews and DGB, none of our other receivers can get open downfield or catch passes while actually running. Nelson and Josh seem to be able to catch jugs machine-type passes, whereby they need to be standing still facing the QB to actually catch the ball; hence all the screens and short passes.
Smith has been playing better and he’s been getting pressure. His pressure led to Jenkins Int against Washington. I haven’t gone over the defense for this game yet, but I understand he did well there too. Then again, the whole defense did.
Smith seems to keep improving and that’s all I care about. Unlike Agholor, he’s not a liability to the defense.
Smith is not good enough to start but seems to be a competent backup. He still has the ability to improve as a player to potentially be a starter.
Somehow, Ags is a starter while he should be a backup or at least the 3rd receiver. Plus, I believe Marcus Smith is on all or most of the special team units.
lol, why did they wait until now to investigate?
Jeez: Jeffrey, Matthews, and DGB would make for a huge and fast receiving corps. Jeffrey might be exactly the kind of receiver to bring along DGB–Jeffrey has managed to become a top producer with that kind of athletic size/speed combo (though, DGB is obviously bigger).
I manage to catch a bunch of Bears games because I live in Chicago and it’s always blasted across the TV. I know you all know this, but that team just can’t use AJ properly. The trade makes too much sense for both teams (assuming we could sign him to an extension). The Bears just need to collect assets and rebuild. The talk has gotten crazy around here–rumors of firing Fox are flying around. It makes no sense, because Trestman is apparently still on the books. But it just goes to show where the team is at right now.
does this mean treggs sucks?
He was an UDFA for a reason.
Disagree we are ok at CB. We were strained even before Brooks got hurt. Carroll gets burnt several times a game (we got really lucky Bradford under threw that early one Sunday), McKelvin has been injured most of the time and Mills is an inconsistent rookie. Smith? Ehh, I hope he gets more time to develop.
we just have to accept that we have very average CBs and ones a rookie. Have to hope scheme and Dline pressure helps them…a lot. Yeah, we are not okay, just maybe some youth builds up since I thought we had some decent prospects coming up, then they dumped Rowe
how long has Fran Duffy been posting this stuff for the team? his stuff is just stellar. He used to do this for another blog before he was hired for the team itself, right?
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagle-Eye-Dominant-Defense-Returns/cab35e36-73bb-415d-8f28-708e80a99b20
that play where both Watkins & Bradham blitz around Graham is a great play design. They knew the TE was going to chip Graham. Graham rushes in to occupy the TE & the OT, leaving Watkins to blitz around the side, and Bradham up the middle. one of them is going to get home.
play results in a hurried dump off pass that falls incomplete.
i mean d was so good even kendricks got stats
Next to this blog, I think Fran’s breakdowns are my favorite weekly read right now.
same here. i try to re-post some of the good stuff on here to save everyone else the time. glad to see that others are doing the same (ChoTime above)
I love Duffy’s breakdowns. I follow him on Twitter just get the early videos of the plays he’s breaking down.
No he’s been with the team since 2011. Before that he was a video coordinator for Temple.
He’s been doing it for at least 2 years.
Some stuff about Wentz.
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/10/25/doug-pederson-carson-wentz-philadelphia-eagles-struggles-mechanics/
Doug put the bad snaps on Wentz more than Kelce. i don’t remember the plays, but i think the consensus on here seemed to be the same.
He said he saw Agholor and Dorial Green-Beckham in the same area and “I should have just ate it, tried to make a play and scramble or something, but, yeah, I just tried to force it.”
i have to assume one of the two of them ran the wrong route. heard rumors that DGB is a poor route runner, so maybe it was him.
It wouldn’t be the first time Pederson had WRs running at the same level in the same area.
Yup, I thought the throw was to DGB if you watch the replays it looks like he just pulls up while his CB goes by him. It definitely looked to me like it was supposed to be to DGB but with him running the route short it went past and seemed like it was to Agholor.
It’s a post and a dig, looks like the depth of the routes are just fucked up. I’d guess DGB ran too far. Ags doesn’t help matters by running a trash route.
man, i’m glad you guys know whats going on. i wasn’t even sure what play this quote was referencing!
have you heard anything that says DGB is poor at route running? sounds like you certainly view Ags as being a poor route runner…
Poor route running was one of the reasons given for Tennessee giving up on him so early.
He’s a fucking moron. Best case you get him to be a be big run fast jump high WR.
“A league source said the 49ers are not shopping any players. It’s possible the players, through their agents, obtained permission to seek a trade before next week’s trade deadline.”
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article110280122.html#storylink=cpy
“shopping” generally means you are phoning around the league offering a player. So its probably technically true in this case, the 49ers have probably let it be known they are in a position to consider dealing some players and would be receptive to ‘fair’ offers.
The counter to that is that Baalke is going to be on one hell of a hot seat if they end up 2-14 or 3-13, and is trading 1-2 players for future assets going to help with that at all? It probably makes the situation worse and gets the team to further check out.
He’s on the hot seat now and may be unemployed as a GM next year. If he goes, Chip will go too. Then again, Baalke is signed through 2018 while Chip is signed through 2019. Either way, the 49ers are screwed as a franchise and the foreseeable future looks bleak.
Sheesh, look at this empty stadium.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/24/disgruntled-49ers-fan-vandalizes-trent-baalkes-wikipedia-page/
http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width620/img/nfl_impact/photo/19433652-mmmain.jpeg
Edit: Although that pic is from last year, Twitter shows more of the same for this season too.
not surprising when you lose the coach/players that help get that stadium built
Or when you build that stadium in a shit suburb like Santa Clara, closer to Silicon Valley money than to actual fans or the city that gives the team its name.
This. They might as well be the San Jose Niners now. Bay area fans have heart.
They gave the finger to their fanbase
I like how it says “5 time Super Bowl Champs” at multiple places in this picture – seemingly without any forethought of being able to change it to 6.
You think they should have one of those things you can just flip? Like the McDonald’s signs? “Hep, just won #6, better go and change the sign this morning.”
What is this, 1982? Obviously it should be a electronic alarm clock-style 5 with a button in the back of the trophy case to advance it.
Like this? Holy s…t, I think I actually owned this exact model back in the day.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1970-Panasonic-RC-7021-AM-FM-AFC-Flip-Snooze-Alarm-Clock-Radio-Rare-/182304162835?hash=item2a722cc413:g:umMAAOSw4shX9bVP
How cool we thought those were. What a step up from the jarring old bell alarm clocks. Buzzers were even worse.
There was this little space-age rotating thing inside it so you could visually see if it was on. A chrome knob on the top that changed it from “alarm,” “AM,” “FM.” Another knob, this one black, that you turned for the snooze. It was mechanical, and the length of your snooze depended on how far you turned it. The numbers were printed on little black cards that made a “snick” sound as they turned over.
I bet it wasn’t $89.99 back in the day.
I think Baalke’s gone at the end of the season, but Chip will get another year (probably with Gamble promoted to GM).
Bailing on another head coach after only a year (especially when he was saddled with a roster as awful as SF’s) will look bad to any in-demand coaches; I suspect York will want to avoid looking like the Browns 2.0.
Do teams ever admit to their willingness to trade? I feel like they think it puts them at negotiation disadvantage.
Since we’re talking WRs and we need a speed WR if Agholor/Huff/Treggs don’t work out, anyone seen this guy Ryan Switzer some. He’s obviously small but so is Desean. Is he faster and better than Huff or just too similar? He’s very confident in himself. Does he have good hands? Can he run NFL routes?
https://youtu.be/tnTrv-Jb1WM
http://www.campusrush.com/ryan-switzer-north-carolina-tar-heels-football-1724499851.html
he looks like he’ll replace amendola on the pats
There’s a secret lab in Utah where they clone these guys.
NSWF!
You know his nickname’s going to be “White Lightning.”
Switzher is not a Jackson clone.
His YPC is closer to a good RB than that of a field stretching WR
“How bad was this game for Bradford? He get the biggest boost from opponent adjustments this week, and he’s still last. Bradford became the 16th man to fumble four times in one game on Sunday (Michael Vick, Mark Sanchez, and Colt McCoy have done it twice each — in only 25 starts, in McCoy’s case), and he also threw an interception. He also did some serious stat-padding at the end of this game. With the Vikings down by 18 points and less than five minutes to go, Bradford completed each of his final nine passes for 90 yards and four of his 11 first downs, including his one touchdown.”
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2016/week-7-quick-reads
wow, how long til that love affair in Minny ends, yesterday? lol
No, Vikings fans mostly seem to be tossing this game out as an anomaly. “Every team has a bad day once in awhile” and so forth.
Plus there’s the usual Bradford Excuse Train noises (his OL sucks, so of course he had to check it down to the RB on every play in the 4th quarter!).
It’ll take a few games of playing from behind for them to really acknowledge what they’ve got at QB. (Though they play the Bears next, so I expect a bounce-back game.)
People line up to make excuses for Bradford and anything not terrible he does is praised like crazy. I don’t get it.
Im not sure SAM can be blamed when he took more hits than their RB did against us… Doubt many QBs would have been successful under that much pressure, especially when SAM gets the ball out fast for the most part, he was looking to throw short and we still gave him a beating
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I don’t blame him much for the vikings loss…. Their OL has to be better if they are to be legit
that’s funny that eagles happen to have had 3 of the 4 guys to do it, Vick , Sancho, And Sleeves.
Chip was coach of all three.
That’s going to end up being a drinking game question.
It already caused us to drink during the game.
Make the guys who said “Trust in Chip” be the designated drivers.
I’m not a fan of making trades almòst at the half way point of an NFL season, and now that we finally have our young franchise QB, we should be patient and build the right way instead of looking for some quick fix veteran WR.
I would NEVER pay what it will cost to extend Alshon Jeffries, dude has more soft tissue injuries than Mychal Kendricks, and I don’t think you need to be taking on Torey Smith contract just to get a guy who is fast and runs fly patterns all game
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I know people like to pretend we already know what we have in our young WRs, but I’d prefer to continue growing them, giving them Continuity with this coaching staff and FINALLY allowing them to play with the same QB two years in a row..
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Im more interested in a trade for another young WR on a rookie deal like the DGB trade, or investing another draft pick into the WR position… The WR position ISNT something I want filled with big name free agents. Im more interested in drafting and developing homegrown WR’s. I’m curious to see what type of WR the Howie/Pederson/Reicht/Greg Lewis regime targets in the draft
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I don’t expect To see the Eagles be major players in the next free agent market, but if they are willing to spend big money on a FA, it damn sure should not be a WR. Think it would be much smarter to invest in a top established cornerback, I feel like Corner is one of the toughest positions to draft and it’s much more important than a WR
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Obviously I wish our WRs were further along, but we are talking about second and third year playërs who are 5 games into playing for new coaches, in a new scheme THATS very different than the offense they played last year and they are still building chemistry with a new young, developing, rookie QB
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Im not suggesting we don’t invest in the WR position, but I’d much rather address it in the draft, and leave free agency for the most important positions. We may not have great WRs, but we have some nice young developing talent at the position..
There are so many very talented young WRs that are still working towards living up to their draft status, this isn’t an issue unique to the Eagles
Brashad Perriman
devante Adams
devante Parker
Kevin White
Even Allen Robinson ISNT making the year two leap most expected to see.
Sammy Watkins hasn’t set the league on fire either
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Conversly look at a kid like Marquis Lee who was an absolute mess in his first two seasons, but it’s finally starting to click for the kid in year 3, and Agholar was a similar young prospect when we drafted him.. College WRs for the most part are so underdeveloped when it comes to NFL Route trees and there is a world of a difference between battling college corners and NFL Corners..
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Draft a WR in April, keep developing our youngins and hopefully a couple grow into players we want to extend past their rookie contracts
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Im not interested in trading for big name WRs with foolish contracts… If we were to make a trade for a WR, id want to see us trade for a kid who is still developing like the emerging WR from the Jets Quincy Enunwa
completely agree, the majority of WR’s don’t really start putting it all together until year 3. I think we should keep Ags for at least another year before pulling the rip cord. then add a complementary guy next year.
Would much rather trade for an Olineman or Linebacker
Yes sir… I wouldn’t give up on any of them and wait TIL their rookie contracts expire before making a decision on extending them or letting them walk.. Especially since we could keep all 4 short term, and still have room to draft another With most teams carrying 5 or 6 WRs on the roster
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We know so little about DGB and that kid has the potential to be bigtime. It’s not GUARENTEED that he ever realizes his full potential, but it’s so early in his career that he is just scratching the surface on the weapon he can become for us..
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I wouldn’t mind seeing Greg Lewis organize a week or two in the offseason for our young WRs to work out with Terrell Owens since he stays in shape. I don’t want T.O teaching them how to act, but you can’t ask for a WR with a better work ethic to expose them to than T.O… He also seems more mellow and mature these days. But a guy like DGB or Jordan can learn a lot about how to use their big bodies from T.O…. With Jordan Mathews having such a crazy work ethic, it’s almost a shame not to expose him to one of the hardest working WRs in NFL history who had a similar body and skillset as Jordan/DGB
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As a rookie, in 16 games, TO only put up 35 catches for 520 yards and 4 TD even tho he was playing with veteran hall of fame QB, and Jerry Rice occupying so much of a defenses attention
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Terrell Owens never even reached 70 catches TIL his 5th Season, and starting that 5th season is when he started putting up 1000 plus yards in back to back seasons, he only reached 1000 yards once in his first 4 seasons (year 3)
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People need to relax and have some Patience when it comes to our young WRs.
Think Howie is better at taking flyers on FAs than drafting. So happy not to think we can draft for all positions. Seems like no matter who the “gm” is picks don’t pan out.
For a team that traded multiple picks moving up for a QB, we are already getting production from Wentz, smallwood, Destiny Vaiao, Mills, Possibly Vaitai so early in the season and im not ready to give up on Seumalo especially when he has two guards playing well ahead of him. Joe Walker would probably at least be playing ST for us right now had he not gotten hurt…. All things considered that’s not bad for a rookie class especially this soon in their development
I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. Keep developing your young guys while bringing in more skilled and experienced vets. This presumes, obviously, we wouldn’t be trading one of our young wrs.
The prices for name brand free agent WRs is getting more ridiculous each year. Unless we can get someone like AJ Green, Julio or like a deandre Hopkins, im not interested in paying what it would cost to get a guy like Alshon, and I’d be pretty surprised to see the Eagles invest big money in that kid.
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Obviously we can add free agents at multiple positions each year, but I don’t expect a huge financial investment in the WR position. Feel like there is a better chance of HOWIE taking Fliers on WRs coming off their rookie deals hoping that a change of scenary is what they needed like we did this year signing Givens and Randle. Obviously we swung and missed on both signings but I don’t begrudge Roseman for taking cheap fliers on them, and If we invest in FA WR, I would expect it to be a lot closer to the Randle/Givens type fliers, than investing what it takes to get an Alshon Jeffries type… Think we continue to invest draft picks in the position, while taking,fliers on cheaper WR free agents who could be cut in the summer if they don’t exceed expectations, while also keeping our ears open if a DGB type trade for a kid on his rookie deal becomes available
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Depending how much he costs, I’d rather take a flier on Terrel pryor if the price is right. I’ll gladly take pro bowl talent at whatever position they can get, but it would really surprise me to see them sigń a big money FA like Alshon….. If we were going to make a significant financial investment in the position, Marvin Jones was the opportunity to do it. Great value considering his contract is only 5yrs 40mil (20 GUARENTEED), average of 8mil salary per year, 8mil signing bonus,… THAT is the type of WR Id be interested in, a 26 yr old coming off his rookie contract who doesn’t cost 60-70million,.,
I don’t know. Agholor just doesn’t seem to have that killer instinct. He lacks “it” and it shows on the field. He plays small, and he also doesn’t run through his routes (big problem) all the time. Against Detroit, he slowed his route (maybe because he didn’t think Wentz would throw it?) and that gave Slay a better shot at the Int. This past week he stopped in the middle of the route and had Pinkston-arms (maybe worried about a hit from the Safety?).
Question is, can he be fixed?
Didn’t Agholor get facemasked (uncalled) when he was about to get separation and that’s what slowed him down?
Shout out to two of the most maligned young Eagles Marcus Smith and Josh Huff. philadelphia has been about as tôugh as it gets on those kids, they endured a lot since coming to Philly, and battled thru a ton of failure and adversity, kept fighting and are now starting to figure it out and are beginning to contribute more and more, and I don’t think they are done developing yet.
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Not only did they bring it against the Vikings, but I bet they were two of the highest graded Eagles in the washington debacle.. MS2 has quietly grown into a nice special team player for us, but the most exciting development has come in his much improved run defense which he wasn’t strong enough for before this year, and he is just scratching the surface on his pass rushing, but because he can now be trusted against the run, we should see his pass rushing opportunities grow as the season goes on..
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Props to Josh Huff who had a brutally difficult summer even getting frustrated with fans, and props to this coaching staff who has figured out how to use his ability as a weapon which Chip failed miserably at… This coaching staff is using Huff and SPROLES Drastically better than Chip ever did. It’s been mostly short passes for Huff but I think doesnt have a dropped pass yet this season, which is a nice first step in the right direction for him considering his past struggles… He gets a lot of credit for his big kick off return, but he was a special teams beast in that washington loss, whether it was blocking, or making some big tackles as a gunner. He always contributed on ST, but it likes like he has taken it to the next level this year… I love how this coachng staff is using him, and who knows, now that we got his confidence up, maybe we can grow him as an intermediate weapon, and ideally a deep threat eventually, but even if that doesn’t happen, I like the “Satelight WR” and Special Teams level of play we are getting out of him as a #4 WR
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Hopefully we continue to see growth while also avoiding costly mistakes like he has done so far this season.
look no further than the rabid reaction to HPVs first game. Problem also is that in most cases in Pro Sports the mmqb is usually right because the odds are just naturally against so many players making it and improving to a level of expectation.
And those odds get much, much worse when full seasons go by with nothing. In other words, the pessimism is warranted.
yes absolutely, after a few years its usually warranted. Those cases of late growth are even more of an anomaly.
It was huge and everything but the problem is the value of kick returns today is so diluted. He averages 5.3 yards per catch. I appreciate that gigantic play but you’re not going to get opportunities like that often. He’s going to have to do a lot more.
Couple catches for 35 yards per game, Special team beat (tackling, blocking and kick return big play potential) would be fine production from our #4 WR as far as I’m concerned… Not sure how much more production you think teams consistently get out of their #4 WR, but if he could reach that consistent level of production Id be ecstatic.
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Keep developing Huff, and eventually we could even see his role expand and eventually replace a lot of what SPROLES gives us in the passing game once he retires in a year or two… Huff is basically our version of Cordarrell Patterson right now…not good enough yet, but for the first time in his career he is starting to consistently make strides in the right direction.
You probably have that high feeling about Huff because you’re doing ecstacy lol.
Or I just understand that teams aren’t made of 53 probowlers, ST matters, and he looks like a young player that is still showing growth while I try to respect the player development process and the Patiemce that it can require… I don’t judge draft picks on the instant gratification that they provide, for me a good draft pick is someone who will Develope enough to earn an extension past his rookie contract, and Huff still has 18 games before we need to make that decision
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But you are welcome to your opinion
And a shout out for Kenricks, too, like you mentioned in your previous post. I’ll wait for T-Law’s game review but it sure looked Mychal was making plays.
He and Hicks were all over the place
Hicks is a ton of fun to watch. The guys has skills and looks like he’s having a blast out there.
Great when he’s blitzing a non-mobile qb.
LOL. I’ll take it as a step in the right direction.
i like when wentz hits him on the screens and puts the ball where he can just catch and run, huff looks good in those situations.
I still think he needs the ball more, he can break tackles.
Less attempts to Ags and mire to Huff
To be fair Vikings have a very good secondary and given the pressure that we were getting not a ton of time to toss balls downfield.
It’s sort of amazing chip has really changed NFL offenses. Look at how many teams are running screen / bubble screen heavy gameplans – trying to get blockers downfield and break plays. QB play in this league is so bad that not maybe QBs are playing that Brady/Peyton style off offense where they sit in the pocket and toss dimes, lots more movement, lots more misdirection.
hope huff is cut after this year, been long enough
Rodney McLeod is on pace to have a monster game. This dude is averaging like 7 tackles a game on a solid defense, while playing a ton of Single high safety…. Fantastic Range, and he was a beast blitzing Bradford. MIKE Zimmer even mentioned our safety beating their RT on one play for a sack, and then beating a RB who tried to pick up the blitz, so he is doing it against their biggest and Smallest blockers lol.. The tackling, the blitzing, the Interceptions, he is Quickily becoming one of the most exciting Eagles to watch
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Malcolm Jenkins is balling as usually. After the big INT return for a TD last week against Washington, a few days before we played the Vikings, he tweeted a video showing him Intercepting Bradford for a long TD return when SAM was on the Rams and Jenkins was with the saints, and under the video he said something like “Hopefully my good friend Bradford feels generous again this week”, come the Vikings game, I was in the stands losing my fucking mind when he took that fumble recovery to the house before the flag took it away, it wasn’t an INT, but I was in disbelief that he called his shot on scoring a TD in back to back games..
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That safety tandem is really gelling into a monster! Our safeties outplayed the Vikings safeties, although Sedejo left with an injury,,, we are in for some exciting plays from this safety tandem for years to come. Jaylen Watkins has also been solid when called upon..
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Very Interested in this weeks Jenkins vs Cole Beasly matchup. yes Beasley had a big game against Jenkins last year, but that was the game we later learned jenkins played two and a half quarters ts after being concussed. I’d like to think he can do much better than he did when he faced him playing thru a concussion
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I like what I see from Jalen Mills. He gets beat a few times each game like most rookies, but he NEVER unravels. He is able to keep his confidence up and typically he has played pretty well in the second half of games. Kid could become a nice player Longterm (fingers crossed)
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Is it just me or did Mychal Kendricks look solid this week? Think Schwartz is learning how to use him better, sending him on a few blitzes against Bradford. hicks and Bradham balled out in that game too
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Beau Allen filled in pretty damn well for Logan who is one of our best defenders. But hopefully we won’t have to play too many more games without him.. We could really use him against the Dallas OL, and Logan has been known to exhibit a very healthy Hatred of the Cowboys on Twitter the last couple of years, but it’s nice to know that Beau can handled an expanded role when need be…. the Polar Bear is perfect nickname for him.
Great write-up. Tommy should be proud.
Good stuff man!
actually anyone on defense who tackles is having a monster season……………..for the eagles
Kendricks did look better this on Sunday. I think playing against his little brother gave him some extra motivation to not have a $hitty game. Kendricks also played decent against the skins as well. Hopefully he is turning a corner, because it would be huge for this defense if started to play like he was at the end of 2014.
Love McLeod’s play so far! Knew when we signed him that our safety duo would probably be the best in the league and so far they are living up to that.
Big test this week! Hopefully our D can stop the run a lot better than they did against the skins. Otherwise its gonna be a long day. Excited for Sunday already! F**K Dallas!
Hopefully the Vikings game will be his spring board to getting his head out of his ass and playing some good ball the rest of the year..
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Could also be Schwartz learning how to best utilize him now that they are approaching the second half of the seasons… It would be a huge boost if he spends the rest of the season looking like the player we saw in the Vikings game..
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Facing his brother was Probably a motivating factor, but so is getting handed the game plan for the Vikings game and seeing all the aggressive designer blitzing they were going to whip out for the Vikings
Whatever it is, I hope he continues playing like this for the rest of the season as well! Been disappointed with his play for too long. He showed glimpses in the past. It was weird how much he had fallen off since 2nd half of 2014.
Kendricks is fine if you don’t ask him to play in space. He can’t cover and he can’t tackle RBs/WRs on swing passes/screens. If you ask him to blitz and play the run sideline to sideline, or spy a QB, he’s fantastic.
Can we carry a lot of the $8,776,813 cap space we have over? Alshon makes 14.5 million so he would eat nearly all that space up.
As much as I’d love to see it, a trade for Alshon is a pipe dream without a long-term contract. Otherwise, we’d be giving up a player or draft pick to rent a receiver that our QB has no familiarity with, for 10 games and eat a ton of cap space to boot.
kind of like the sammy dollaz trade 2 years ago? I’d also be talking to Deandre hopkins, he can’t be happy with what’s going on in texas right now.
I wouldn’t be. You’d lose a draft pick tampering.
We gt a freebie from having Maclin stolen from us. I have him on like 3 fantasy teams this year – he’s stealing money.
Yes for DeAndre Hopkins I would give up our entire draft next year.
The Sammy trade was done by Chip “I’m not the GM” Kelly. A real GM doesn’t make that trade. If Howie would have made that trade, he would have gotten the 2nd round pick instead of giving it up;)
9M cap space if done this week, minus whoever gets cut’s salary for the remainder of the year. Pretty much uses all of it.
But can we carry all of it over or 90% of that $8,776,813 cap space over to next year if we don’t make any trades?
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Pats getting Kyle Van Noy from Det.
I remember him, Marcus smith and Attachou were my favourite targets for us in the late 1st/2nd round of that draft
we all make mistakes. To be fair there was nothing good when we picked – would have been smarter to move back.
Oh no, I’m not saying we made a mistake..I’m probably one of the only people that was happy Marcus smith was our pick…i was just saying that kyle van noy and attachou were my secondary choices
What it cost them?
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Would have liked to trade for him if the price is right and have him competing with Kendricks for playing time
like a 5th.
I believe they gave a sixth and got back a 7th.
I would have loved to see us make that trade,,,
If we go from $9M a year cap hit being waaaaaayyy too high for DeSean, but $8M a year cap hit for Torey Smith making everyone really excited, I’m gonna be super disappointed.
Alshon on the other hand…I’d be ecstatic to add him to the team regardless of price.
IMO, we’re going to have to trade some expendable guy like Barwin/Kendricks and a pick for Alshon.
Barwin looked way better getting moved around in a rotational role
I agree. Graham played DT as well as DE. Curry can play both. Barwin can flip to either side and still drop back when Kendricks or Hicks blitz. I think we’re going to see some more creative stuff from Schwartz against Dallas this week to confuse Dak.
I don’t see us trading a starter for a guy who will be a free agent after the season.
I agree. You don’t take for Alshon unless you’ve already talked extension.
I don’t see Barwin as expendable, there’s not really any depth behind him IMO
MS2 has been playing well, and this organization has in the past let an aging veteran go because of what was behind him (Brandon Boykin’s rise reminds me of this).
I think they like Barwin, but I’m wondering if they would part w/Kendricks.
You’re falling into the fallacy that we have to match trade value to Alshon Jeffery the player. Alshon has 8 more games in Chicago. That’s it. He’s 100% gone next year. So we only have to match trade value for 8 games worth of Alshon. The price is considerably less than if there was any chance for Chicago to keep him beyond this year.
I mean that would be true if it was only a 2 team league..
Sorry, no disrespect intended, but you’re just plain wrong here. Players trade value are effected by their contract situation every single year in our current 32 team league. Doesn’t matter how many teams are in the league, it matters what his value is to the one team that he’s currently contractually obligated to play for. If they had him locked up for 3 more years…yea sure…they’d hold out for a first round pick or more to move him. However, when your team is 1-6, and the player in question is going to be a FA in two months and is absolutely leaving your team at that point, a 3rd round pick starts to look a lot more appetizing as opposed to getting 8 or 9 more games from a player in a wasted season before he leaves next offseason for nothing.
All other 31 teams know this as well. No one would give up a first round pick for someone like Alshon when he’s only got 2 months left on his contract. The trade would have to involve a pre-worked out extension to make any sense at all. And, if the player is willing to sign with you long term, why not just wait till the off season and sign him as FA and save the first round pick?
Every single year players trade values are effected by their current contracts and situations with their current clubs. This is no different. While Alshon Jeffery the player is certainly worth a first round pick and more, you’re not trading for Alshon Jeffery the player, you’re only trading for his contract/rights for the next two months. After that you’ll need to sign him as a free agent, just like any other club. So the value of the trade is based on what you’re willing to give up for his rights over the next 2 months and conceivably the first shot to sign him as a pending FA next year vs what the Bears are willing to accept to give him up over the next two months of the season instead of watching him walk for nothing this coming off season.
And, because any team that’s trading ding for his rights over the next two months, it doesn’t matter whether there’s 2 teams or a 100 teams, the question of value and compensation for that value is still going to be the value of what’s actually traded: not Alshon Jeffery, but rather the rights to his services for the next two months. That value will undoubtedly be way below a first round pick and would not involve a starting caliber DE with multiple years on his contract like Barwin.
DeSean is on the end of a 3 year / $24 million deal where he produced at a level lower than his prior deal.
I think we could get DeSean for 2 years / $12 mil
agree – djax is getting no stats this year. Think we could get a more hometown discount, plus he’ll want to go to a plcae with a QB that has an arm, and there’s not a ton of options if those are your requirements.
I don’t expect a hometown discount, but I don’t see anybody punching themselves in the face to sign him at this point.
Yea, not saying we should sign DeSean for $9M a year. Just saying people claimed $9M was too much for DeSean back when we cut him in his prime, but somehow $8M a year is a good price for Torey Smith. I just don’t see Torey Smith being worth $8M a year.
He’ll be 30 – not worth the cost
Not advocating we go sign DeSean for $9M a year next season. Just pointing out how ridiculous some fans are when they talk about trades/cap hits. When we cut DeSean half the fan base applauded the move because $9M a year was waaaaaaayyy too much to pay a WR like Jackson. Now those same fans are getting all excited about adding Torey Smith, who isn’t half as good for $8M a year. Just silly.
Usually it’s pretty dumb when fans start talking $.
The Cowboys won’t know what’s gonna hit them on Sunday night.
Dallas sucks.
I hope so, I don’t want to go a whole week again without watching the NFL Network or ESPN in fear they talk about the team that just beat us. Winning makes my internet surfing, I mean work week, a lot easier.
but then i start to believe the hype and we drop two to inferior teams.
Ugh, that was a long 2 weeks!
On the plus side we are back to making everyone doubt the validity of a previously-considered Superbowl contenders that we thrash. The big conclusion of last week was “uh oh the Vikings have huge problems”, mostly surrounding Bradford getting hit about 50 times. But everyone knew that was going to be a huge strength against a huge weakness. That should have been factored into expectations.
Anyway, even though the Eagles won’t get any recognition for crushing the Cowboys, at least the rest of the world can finally recognize Dallas as the turd they are because uh oh, the lowly Eagles beat them, how concerning!
I’m not confident about the Cowboys game. This DL can be very quiet at times, and they have star power at WR and RB. I think the O is going to need to carry their weight against Dallas.
oh def, but I’m in full German Eagle mode right now. It’s Dallas week, throwing the logic out the window, F-’em!
I like full GE mode.
We are a Ryan Mathews fumble away from being 5-1 having beaten two Bonafide playoff teams in Vikings and Steelers. Even better Carson and the Eagles are learning to win ugly when he DOESNT have a great game which is an important step in the development of young players…. I don’t see how anyone can claim at this point that we are not Legit
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It’s probably more beneficial that Wentz is learning to deal with adversity, instead of all smooth sailing for the most part for Dak Prescott
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To beat Dallas, the offense has to do its part, most importantly getting off to a fast start and try to put Dak in position to play from behind… You do NOT want the Dallas OL/Run game to play with a lead, it will make the game so much tougher.
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If Tyrone Smith doesn’t play this week, I will go All in on an Eagles win Sunday night. They don’t want to face our DL without Tyrone and Lael
Ha! Same here, mate.
Are you sure? They look ao good every time I watch them!
Stop watching them then! 😉
That’s a valid point. More importantly was GermanEagles’s conclusion: Dallas Sucks.
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/791052279134556160
He always seems to have a sourced rumor after La Canfora has something.
you can’t sign a player on FT tag during the season. Allbright thinks they would agree in principle, then just sign after. But that could result in NFL discipline.
However, on a side note if we get Jeffery for the 4th rounder from the Bradford deal– we would have traded Sam Bradford for a first and Alshon Jeffery. I would take back everything I have ever said about Howie…
Ahh, Benjamin Allbright, the guy who tweets a ton of crap rumors, then when one out of 100 actually happens he’ll say “See? I was right! Did you see where I said this would happen??”
That dude has so many Twitter fights, it’s ridiculous.
So pretty much not going to happen?
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/791062322383028224
You have to go to the tweet and read the comments lol.
How has Brooks played this year?
I’m in FL so I have to stream it and sometimes the quality is garbage. It can be difficult to impossible to really judge how a player has done when it’s occasionally hard to even see tjeir.number.
Ron or Brandon?
Ron, sorry. Just want an educated opinion on what we are going to be missing.
Nothing.
Watkins is a better player imo
DALLAS WEEK!!!!!
https://twitter.com/Jeff_Mclame/status/791111091447328768
https://twitter.com/Jeff_Mclame/status/791112547181232128
https://twitter.com/EilotShorrParks/status/791110973105078272
I’m not sure that I’m going to be able to sleep tonight. The last time we got a #1 receiver, we went to the superbowl.
Ugghh I can’t read, damn fake accounts. Sorry.
DVOA liked Sunday!
“Philadelphia’s big upset victory over Minnesota on Sunday has propelled the Eagles back into the top spot in the Football Outsiders DVOA ratings. The Eagles actually opened up a pretty big gap between themselves and the rest of the league with this win. Right now, the difference between the Eagles and No. 2 Seattle is larger than the difference between Seattle and No. 9 Buffalo.”
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2016/week-7-dvoa-ratings
“MLB Jordan Hicks, PHI: Led NFL defenders with 5 defeats in Week 7: run TFL, run stuff on third-and-1, sack, and two tackles to prevent third-and-long conversions. Also had 2 PDs.”
DAL ranked #1 offense, PHI ranked #1 defense.
We’re the #1 Defense by DVOA, and yet any time we get an offense in 3rd and 8 or more I basically have accepted that they will convert it.
Could just be PTSD (I know, because I assume the same thing). Other than the one draw play that went for a long conversion, they weren’t that bad against the Vikings.
Would be interesting to see the breakdown by downs, but I don’t have Premium on their site. They do chart every play individually, so they do probably have it.
It could just be PTSD.
I don’t have Premium either, but nfl.com stats suggests we are joint 16th in 3rd down % (but 5th in yards/game, 3rd in points/game).
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2016&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=DOWN_3RD_PERCENTAGE
The good news is the Cowboys are 29th in 3rd down %
We always do badly against teams that are ranked low like that. Dallas will magically be 7th in 3rd down % this week…
Howie is probably feigning interest in Smith and Jeffrey because he is working a deal on a different receiver.
Or he’s finally getting that deal done for Brian Urlacher that Anthony Gargano was talking about.
Anyone you have in mind?
No, I think it will be a surprise.
I think it will be Alshon if they can agree on a deal. I may be wrong about that player but i think we both agree that something is going to happen
Uncle Howie is always bringing us gifts!
Brandin Cooks incoming?
You think the Saints are willing to part with him?
Yup, for the right price they should.
Would love that but highly doubt that happens
Interesting article about 2 coaches the broncos hired solely to identify the tendencies of players. Im surprised a guy like chip kelly didnt focus more on this
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/10/26/denver-broncos-coaching-player-tendencies-nfl
Anyone else disappointed in not waking up to Alshon news? Lol
yes but I’m confused b/c I saw some people say he can’t be resigned now. So if that’s true (is it?), then I don’t see how we can trade for him.
Since he’s under the franchise tag, a new deal can NOT be discussed until after the season.
They could come to an agreement before the end of the year and sign after the year is over.
well we aren’t winning the SB this year (reverse jinx), so doesn’t that drastically reduce the value to us of this deal? I just don’t want to trade picks (well, a semi valuable mid range pick) and then watch him walk after the season.
I agree, but at the same time I don’t understand the talk of them getting a #1 for him for that same reason. I’d be willing to part with a #2.
And he drastically changes the outlook of our team and we become a contender if he’s on our receiving core. Since we are close, he may not walk as long as we don’t low-ball him.
I think that’s way high. 5.
Chicago should be looking for compensation, and they won’t get as much (most likely) in free agency if he does. They should be looking to dump his salary because they have so many other needs to address. Paying him $17 million a year and they aren’t even close to the playoffs isn’t smart management. Yes I know there are some dumb GMs out there, but as I’ve always said, desperate GMs will do desperate things.
at least I trust Howie here.
Me too. Before this offseason, I was a harsh critic. Now? I believe his time off has been good for him. He seems better and maybe he really self-reflected on where he could improve.
The Bears can give us permission to talk to his agent, so we can find out what type of deal Jeffrey is looking to sign. If we find out that he wants crazy money and don’t think we will sign him, the deal won’t get done. If Howie thinks he will be able to make him an offer, I think he will make the deal, as long as the Bears aren’t asking for crazy compensation.
ok so given all this including the chance he walks, what is the range of compensation we would be ok with? (not asking Media Mike as he will want a 2nd coming back).
Me personally? I wouldn’t give up anything higher than a 3rd with the chance that he could walk at the end of the year. You should be drafting starters realistically in the first 3 rounds. Obviously the higher someone is taken in the draft the more likely they are to turn into starters (which I know isn’t always guaranteed). So a 3rd is the highest I would go.
Hopefully if the trade is made Jeffrey will like playing with Wentz and they could sign him to a long term deal after the season.
He’s on the franchise tag. He can’t be resigned to anything other than a one year deal until the beginning of the 2017 season.
It is just not possible to get him under anything other than the his franchise tag deal.
Up up upvote!!!
I surprised people are getting worked up about the NFL trade deadline.
If you can’t get worked up about the trade deadline when Howie is your GM, you have no soul.
Howie has 148 hours to make a move, frankly 2 minutes is plenty of time…. so I don’t doubt anything.
Hopefully Howie could convince Alshon of a 2-3 year prove it deal with good guaranteed money, but friendly cap/yearly rate, which could position himself for 1 more big contract before his 30 year old season with whoever….. ya know the Darrelle Revis plan/school of negotiation.
You’re talking contract terms and they haven’t even traded for him yet!
I can see Alshon giving Agholor a nice pair of Isotoner gloves and stickum for #17 and a his parking spot.
and his job
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/791294569124167680
So it must be a tackle, right?
So we’re getting both Smith and Jeffrey?
Howie is talking to people all the time. He can’t trouble Pederson with every little thing. I’m sure he’ll let Doug know about it when they get closer to a deal.
Alshon trade isn’t happening. You guys are keeping your hopes up for nothing. Stuff like this happens every year.
Guys!!!
You do know you can’t extend a player currently under the franchise tag after the deadline of the 15 July has passed, don’t you?!
This basically should kill all your nice fantasies about trading for Jeffery.
Good day. GE
here’s the biggest issue no one is talking about in regard to the (won’t happen) Alshon trade.
We already have one player with a singular noun last name that everyone wants to pluralize incorrectly.
I will lose my mind if I have to hear Chase Daniels and Alshon Jefferies all the time.
Don’t forget Mychal Kendricks.
Malcom Jenkin
Jordan Hick
Fletcher Coxes
Darren Sprole
Josh Huffs
Halapoulivaati Vaitaus
There are a bunch of them.
This is how we Sprole!!!
Donnie Jone
carson went?
Old friend DeMeco Ryan.
That’s like the opposite of Demeco Ryans.
So you didnt like Asanthe Samuels while he was here?
Eagles coach Doug Pederson said there is no legitimacy to the rumors they are interested in acquiring a wide receiver.
In reference to receiver in the first round, I think it depends on how Vaitai progresses as the season goes on. Vaitai after 2 games isn’t good. Vaitai after 10 games could be good if he continues to improve. That means in the future Lane Johnson moves to the left side, and if they like Seumalo, he moves to LG and all of a sudden you’re fairly young across the line (not much depth but the starters are in at least). That allows us to use that first rounder on a receiver.
Though if Big V doesn’t improve over the next 8 games then I’m with you. Dump the resources into the line and worry about receiver later.
We’re still short a guard. Seumalo is going to center, Kelce to the scrap heap, and Barbre still stinks.
Especially given our recent track record on drafting in the first round, I wouldn’t be opposed to using the Seahawks’ method of trading your first for proven players in the league. IF Jeffery was under a doable contract, I’d be totally cool with using a first to get him.
Or we could save it and draft Danny Watkins, Marcus Smith, and Agholor.
Feel free to scroll two posts below…
I’m aware. Thus the “IF”. But my point remains. We’re going more places with a receiver that’s already panned out than the chance at getting a good one in the draft.
Or we can go the Seahawks route and give up first round picks for Jimmy Graham and Percy Harvin. Woof!
Maybe we can get Jimmy G for a 3rd. I’m sure we could use him right. The fact that he’s averaging like 8 points in fantasy is a shame.
Carson Wentz, Fletcher Cox, Lane Johnson.
So lesson is we’re good if we’re picking at the top half of the first round, but if we’re picking in the bottom half we should just give up the pick.
Meh. Think it just highlights that even the first round is a mega crap shoot. Known commodities should have loads more value, but NFL GMs think of draft picks as diamonds and players like coal.
Two “Cs” factor into this dynamic, I think: Contracts and Culture. Draft picks are generally on low value contracts, and are young, relatively impressionable guys that are usually easier to get to buy in to the coach’s system and don’t have any bad habits gained while being in a different system.
cheap contracts
The lesson is there isn’t a magic wand. Maybe we should trade down until the 5th round and just get as many picks as we can.
Everyone’s better picking in the first half of the round!
Cleveland can’t seem to get it right.
50% in the first round is pretty terrible odds.
Deep thougths:
Do OL and defensive players get annoyed when WRs, RBs, and QBs are referred to as “skill positions”? I buy that QBs are the most skilled players, but not so much the others. Seems to me they mostly have a different body type and are faster.
CBs and safeties are usually counted under the ‘skill positions’ group.
I think it includes anyone other than OL/DL/LBs on offense/defense. It’s kind of a cheesy name though.
My college coach refered to them as:
Big skill: OL, DL
Medium skill: LB, FB, TE
Little skill: DB, WR, QB, DB
our coach knew where his bread was buttered.
Basically ordered in frequency of use of art of blocking or getting off/through/past blocks?
I think the HB is truly worthy of their label as a skill player. While the running portion is largely instinctive, the demands of modern HB’s to run routes/receive, run the ball, and pass protect (and all the knowledge and skills that come with that), are an impressive set of skills to rival any player on the field).
Ordered by weight!
I am very skilled!
Ordered by size for conditioning purposes.
Conditioning is a skill? Or are we talking about hair hygiene, because that stuff can get complicated fast with some of these hair styles!
Hah, love it. I used to have a friend they called “Tall Skinny Mike.” So they started calling my 5’8″ ass “Medium Buff Mike.”
Howard Mudd was specifically quoted as HATING that term, because it did a disservice, in his mind, to the skill required to play OL at a high level.
Just spit balling here since we’re talking about trades and free agents…
How much of a difference does Carson Wentz make when courting free agents? For example, we were interested in Anquan Boldin this past off season. Obviously he chose the Lions over us, and effectively Stafford over Bradford. I mean having a franchise QB has to be a selling point for veteran free agents doesn’t it?
Having a QB playërs from other teams respect, certainly won’t hurt
Personally i think it’s a wash. Any WRs, RBs putting up numbers? So if people are chasing stats i think they go elsewhere. We aren’t a perennial playoff team so last chance guys might look elsewhere.
I think deep threat guys give us a hard look b/c Wentz has an arm. Possession guys not so much since we don’t really have a possession receiver.
Carson Wentz vs. Ben Franklin?
Big Ben.
I think people know what is going on and it’s well known that the Eagles have week receivers and a star young QB. I think it would be looked at as an incredible opportunity for most wide receivers who aren’t already on a playoff team.
I really doubt we will see the Eagles sign a premier big name WR in free agency now that the price tag has reached 60-70mil…. If they even sign a WR, I would think they look for a guy in the 30-45mil range coming off his rookie contract who they think will play his best ball during his next contract…. Someone like Terrell Pryor if we sign a free agent starting WR at all…. Think it’s way more likely that they pay for a corner instead of a WR
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If we were going to pay for a WR, I think the right opportunity would have been a guys like MARVIN JONES, 26yrs old who signed a very reasonable contract:
5yrs 40mil
20 mil (guaranteed)
8mil signing bonus
Avg salary of 8mil per year
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That would have been a great opportunity for us…. Cornerback is more important for us in free agency and we don’t have the young talent to even try and Develope at corner that we have at WR
I’ll take probowl talent at any position i can get it, but it would really surprise me to see the Eagles sigń a big name free agent WR… Think it’s more likely that we draft another WR while continuing to Develope Nelson, DGB, Jordan and Huff
I can’t see them going after high priced CB again. Will there even be any available?
I don’t know if they go after any big money FA this year, but if they do I think it’s way more likely that they target a few positions than WR… CB being one of them
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We have had plenty of success getting elite corners in FA, so I doubt whiffing on NNamdi is enough to make us gunshy if Free agency provides us an opportunity to get our cornerback position nailed down for the next 4 years…
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I think it’s more likely that we have a relatively quiet free agency this year, but im just guessing
possibly the top 3 CB are
Marcus cooper
TRUmaine Johnson
Stephon Gilmore
then theres a few more “tier” below
I highly doubt the Browns will let Pryor walk…
I highly doubt he wants to commit to their shit show after all his struggles and just now beginning to taste success and find his niche in this league… If he is a brown next year, I expect it to be because they tagged him…. Just using him as an example of a name who’s best ball should come in his next contract, but I don’t watch enough of the Cleveland shit stains to pound the table for any of their players
I was just referring to recent rumours saying the Browns were trying to extend him before he becomes a free agent. At similar terms Sanu has signed his contract (which would be a bargain for the Browns!).
Oh ok,,. This is the first Im hearing of the rumored extension. I guess its also possible that he is loyal to the opportunity they have given to him
I saw Joe Banner replying to such a rumour via Twitter.
Espn poll:
57% would rather have Prescott
43 % would rather have Wentz
I sure hope Dak will fall soon on his face, hard…
Cowboys fans are usually lazy bums living off the government who sit around reading Stormfront and Breitbart and clicking online polls all day.
Damn, LOL! Texas has like 30 million people in it.
Yeah, but the productive members of society root for the Texans.
What’s the verdict on my Spurs fans? I lived in SA for 4 years. I know they’re fat. Haven’t been back since 1986.
I don’t know, they are suspect. Cowboys have spurs.
If the Cowboys don’t have Lael AND Tyrone Smith on Sunday, bet our DL knocks him down a peg… They do not want to face us without their stud LT… I’d rather face DEZ than Tyrone Smith this week. Hopefully our offense gets off to a fast start and forces the dallas offense to play from behind
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Boy are the skins lucky trent Williams avoided structural damage to his knee
You know we always did pretty well against their Dline with the 2gap, so with the 1gap it shouldn’t even matter who plays.
That is what my logic tells me. My gut is telling me that I am going to have a shitty Sunday (mind you we can lose and not ruin my day…if we lose the way we lost to the Skins though…)
Lael isnt even good.
ESPN poll…. the housewife sports fans. Almost would prefer to be out of their favor.
57% of the people in that poll are dopes.
Idiots! Would you rather have someone named Dakota… or someone who’s really from Dakota?
Did we trade for Alshan Jeffries yet?!
Alshaun Jeffryies trade is coming soon. They need him so bad.
I’d love to see them trade Chase Daniel, the cap savings for next year would be around $6 million.
Who wants a backup that can’t play? Didn’t anyone learn from the Sanchez years?
Maybe Miami? They did take Byron Maxwell.
Maybe he can be sold to the Rams a guide for Goff? lol
To be fair a lot of teams had QB injuries this year- New England, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Carolina, Chicago, New York…
I don’t mind chase – you can see Wentz leans a lot on him. Looking to find Wentz on the sideline in between series – he’s probably with Chase looking at photos.
For that to happen, Wentz would have to get hurt for several games and Daniel would have to come in and look like a starter. I certainly don’t wish for a Wentz injury, but if that did happen then yeah, Miami would probably give us a third round pick for him.
Cleveland might need him this season
We’ll take Pryor for the rest of the season;)
May I simply reiterate a well known fact as we prepare for Sunday’s game:
Dallas Sucks.
Dallas is the most talented team in the NFC and they’re not even at full strength.
So…they suck.
and yet… Dallas Sucks.
And they’re going to lose on Sunday.
No, they’re not.
There’s a reason why the Cowboys have the #1 DVOA offense while the Eagles have the #1 DVOA defense with the latter being miles ahead of #2 ranked Seattle.
They suck
now you suck too
I read that somewhere.
It is carved on the rock at the steps which leads to the truth.
Hypothetical question, would you rather sign a known commodity in Bennie Logan to a long-term extension, or trade for a receiver and lose Bennie to free agency?
Depends heavily on how much Bennie will cost. We’ll have enough money for both though.
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Rather keep Logan
Have we signed/traded for Terrell Owens yet?
No but Plaxico Burgess is at the NovaCare complex getting his physical as I type.
Torrey Smith sucks and I don’t know why you’d trade anything for a “speed” player who’s 27 and overpaid. Call me crazy.
Is 27 supposed to be old for an NFL player?
27 IS old for an NFL player, particularly one who trades entirely on speed.
Why? Because our outside Wrs arent getting it done and holding the team back. Smith is better than what we have.
No Should we? Depends if Howie feels a WR can make us contenders.
I wonder what jersey number Alshon Jeffrey is going to pick or if he’ll have an agreement set in place with Algholor for #17.
Dak Prescott is amazing. Great pocket awareness, very mobile, soft touch to his passes, accurate, and great at reading defenses. He’s like Russell Wilson but 3 inches taller and not a virgin.
How many QBs have gone into Lambeau Field and out-performed Aaron Rodgers in the rookie year??
He has a tremendous OL. Wilson has not.
Rw has a baby on the way – he wasted no time.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Dak Prescott has allowed to live.
When Dak Prescott does a pushup, he isn’t pushing himself up. He’s pushing the world down.
Um. Out of the many things I disagree here…Wilson was married before.
Troll somewhere else Cowboys fan.
It’s funny because I rustled up some pre-draft reports on Dak, specifically about his ability to handle pressure (considered a weakness on the reports I read). One of the reports specifically countered the idea that he was like Wilson. They thought he was similar to Donovan McNabb, on account of build and arm. And presumably, touch.
Crap! Looks like that’s been going around.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dak%20prescott%20donovan%20mcnabb
Jerome Brown & Reggie White being featured on “A Football Life” if anyone is interested!