No Help

Posted: November 3rd, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 291 Comments »

Tuesday brought the wrong kind of WR news. Instead of making a deadline deal, the Eagles found out Josh Huff was in serious legal trouble for speeding, possessing a firearm, possessing hollow point bullets and having his friend Mary Jane riding in the car with him.


On Wednesday Doug Pederson said the Eagles would let things play out before handing out any punishment. Huff will play this weekend.

Should Pederson and/or the Eagles suspend him? I really don’t know. Part of me says he should do something to send a message to the other players that this kind of nonsense has to stop. On the other hand, this is a big game on Sunday and it would be nice to have a really good KOR back there for when the Giants do get to kickoff.

If I thought suspending Huff would send a powerful message to the team, I’d be all for it. I’m just not sure that would. Cutting him would send a strong message, but then you would be getting rid of a good role player and STer. Is that worth it? Maybe. I think you’d have to be in the locker room on a regular basis to know.

There is something to be said for the sloppiness on and off the field tying together. We always here how football is a game of details. If you can’t avoid getting pulled over while driving with a gun and pot in your car…if you can’t remember to take the gun out of your bag before you get to the airport…if you don’t know which supplements you are taking…if you get involved in an incident at a strip club…are you going to do all the little things it takes to win games in the NFL?

Pederson has done a good job this year of knowing what to say or do in just about every situation, but it might be time for him to change his message. There are times when a team (or kids) needs some tough love. I’m going to trust him for now, but he needs this team to get back to winning on the field and staying out of trouble off it.


While it would have been great to make a trade and see what happened, NFL midseason deals rarely turn out to be significant. Chemistry, timing and knowledge of the playbook are so crucial to success that adding a guy halfway through a season usually isn’t going to make a big difference.

If the Eagles are going to improve the passing game this year, it will be through improved play by the guys already on the roster. Several of these players have 9 games to show they deserve to keep a job. They need to play with some urgency. There will be changes in the offseason.


Coffee is for closers. So the Eagles will have to settle for the water fountain for another week. The team failed to close the game in Detroit and then Sunday night in Dallas as well. I wrote a piece for on the Eagles need to start closing out games.

I ended the piece on an upbeat note. I know that won’t sit well with some of you, but I’m just not a guy that sees his team lose and then stays angry for the foreseeable future. I was furious on Sunday night, but that went away slowly each day.

Now if they blow the game on Sunday because Pederson calls an insane screen pass with the team on the edge of FG range, I’m all for getting the pitchforks and storming the NovaCare.


I don’t know if this will happen in a year, a decade or 108 years, but it will happen. And it is going to be magical.


291 Comments on “No Help”

  1. 1 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:00 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Its November and the Eagles have a winning record, stud QB, and top 10 Defense. We should enjoy this even more with the perspective that this is a building year anyways.

  2. 2 Chiptomylou said at 8:20 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Amen, the future looks very bright.

  3. 3 Rambo said at 8:57 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I could agree to do that but I’m not happy that Dallas is doing well so it makes it really tough. Especially knowing we had them beat. Ahhh well. Your point is well taken. Just frustrated! GO BIRDS!!!

  4. 4 Sb2bowl said at 11:18 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Funny how expectations change when the team has success early. A rookie QB and Head Coach, a new coaching staff in general- new defense. It’s a lot of change in one year, and yet we are within striking distance.

    At this point, assuming we can beat Dallas in Philly (maybe this year the curse is reversed- we had beaten them 4 times in a row in Dallas, same for them and us in Philly) we need to make up at least one game on them going forward.

    Honestly, the Redskins seem to have our number lately. Even though we “should” beat them, they somehow manage to stay one step ahead of us. Should be interesting, but with a win over the Giants this week, we are 5-3 at the halfway point. That’s a lot better than I thought we would be at this point.

  5. 5 Nick C said at 11:31 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Very excited about Wentz and the defense with the thought of a corner or two. That being said, no confidence in Doug to out-coach anyone in the 4th quarter. Last week was something Tom Coughlin would have done.

  6. 6 Howie Littlefinger said at 4:24 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I would say theres a learning curve for Doug at least. He is a 1st year coach not out coaching people in the 4th qtr

  7. 7 Mr. Magee said at 4:01 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    It will be interesting to see how the team responds to the Dallas loss… I could see them being quite flat, honestly. It will be a test of the locker room leadership, IMO: They know the coaching let them down on Sunday night, but they also know they could have executed better – especially on offense (defense gets a minor pass due to being left out to dry by the O). We’ll see. I hope Doug (and to a lesser extent, Carson) rediscovers his manhood this Sunday, and plays a smart, aggressive game.

    Huff the idiot is bailed out by the fact that the eagles need him, and can’t afford to make an example out of him. Thankfully no one was hurt.

    And yes, you can’t help but think of the eagles winning a championship after seeing the Cubs win a World Series. Anything is possible now..

  8. 8 DarthBanner said at 7:50 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I wonder myself when the players are going to lose confidence in Doug Simpleton. It happened with Kelly.

  9. 9 RTP210 said at 10:29 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    We’re 4-3 with a team that was meant to be rebuilding. We’ve been in every single game and two of our losses involved late game fumbles (by players, not Doug). Some of you are absurd. Doug has been every bit as impressive as a rookie coach as Wentz has been as a rookie QB. Both have made mistakes but both are growing.

    People talk too much about how expectations change and so mentioning that we’re rebuilding doesn’t work after starting 3-0… we beat two bottom of the barrel teams and a good one. We should have expected 2-1 as a real possibility. One extra win means that we should ignore anything else that happens in the season?

    Stop trying to scapegoat people and try to understand that this team is growing together. I hope Doug is here for the next decade and you should too because offensive scheme carousel can hurt a young QB’s development. Basically, stop being so dramatic and try to be rational. There is a very real possibility that the pick we got for Sam could be higher than the one we gave for Wentz. That’s incredible.

  10. 10 DarthBanner said at 11:18 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Doug is not a good playcaller. Calls the game scared. Its a problem. It can also be argued that the two “good” teams we beat had their worst games of the season.

  11. 11 Buge Halls said at 11:19 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    You know zero about football. Please, list examples of his “bad play calling”, don’t just puke up what other talking idiots have said about him.

  12. 12 Sb2bowl said at 11:20 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Sometimes you just gotta let a troll, troll.

  13. 13 peteike said at 11:21 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    not kicking a FG within range, throwing a screen to lose yards in a crucial spot. Running on 3rd down with a 2 point lead. Conservative play calling has lost 2 games that were very winnable.

  14. 14 DarthBanner said at 12:08 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    As said below, going way too conservative, not kicking a field goal for a 2 score advantage while in range, having Huff throw his first career pass on 2nd down and then throwing a pass 6 yards behind the line of scrimage on 3rd down when the last thing you can do in that situation is lose yardage. Literally having Wentz take a knee twice would have been better play calls in that situation. If you can’t see that, then it looks like you are the one needing some football education.

  15. 15 Aaron said at 3:06 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    urine idiot

  16. 16 peteike said at 11:19 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    thats all well and nice but it doesnt mean Doug is free from criticism. His short passing game offense is a bit worrisome along with some major gaffes this early on. I also hope he is just saying what the media wants to hear instead of really believing he wouldnt change much in that latest display. Enough to not like when you think the other coaches are catching up to him also in terms of game plans. I agree that its too early to be calling doomsday on an above .500 team with plenty to like and players dropping the ball in more ways than one.

  17. 17 Buge Halls said at 11:18 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Moron – please, just stop commenting. You want to tear down the team after 7 games into a rookie coach’s season? Do yourself a favor and look back at Andy Reid’s 1st season or two and get a feeling how it is for a new coach coming into the league. Pederson runs a “standard” NFL offense while Chip Kelly was trying to reinvent the league – two wildly different systems. Pederson is developing a rapport with his players Kelly, from all reports, was pretty aloof from his players. Give him a couple seasons to work it out!

    On the other hand, maybe you should just stick to Madden since results in the NFL take longer than you care to wait.

  18. 18 DarthBanner said at 11:30 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Don’t play madden, didn’t say tear it down either. Probably should work on your reading comprehension before calling others morons. Just makes you look silly. Doug hasn’t called good games, and the eagles haven’t won a close one yet partially because of his play calling. Its an issue. Maybe he can fix it, maybe not. Kotite had a decent season too…

  19. 19 daveH said at 11:13 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    It is never “interesting to see” …
    It will be great if we win; suck if we lose.
    Heard that a few times in English class

  20. 20 Sb2bowl said at 11:19 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    After two tough losses to DET and WASH, we beat the undefeated Vikings. Another tough loss to Dallas puts us in the cross hairs of another divisional game.

    I think we win this week.

  21. 21 Mac said at 11:46 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    It’d be great to bounce back from the Dallas loss to sucker punch the Giants. Andy always seemed to have their number, so here’s to hoping he passed those notes to Doug.

  22. 22 Sb2bowl said at 12:08 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Agreed 100%. So far Doug hasn’t done 1 thing that Andy did well- that is, take care of Division games first.

    If we drop to 0-3 in the NFCEast, that’s a big hole to dig out of going forward. Especially with the schedule we have coming up

  23. 23 anon said at 1:18 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Don’t think chip ever lost to the gnats either.

  24. 24 PacificPurl said at 4:39 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So much for grown men in the NFL.

  25. 25 Dominik said at 7:47 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Dallas win will on Sunday, that’s for sure. I can’t imagine the Browns Defense being even close to stopping their Offense. So, if we lose, we’re at 4-4, which wouldn’t be a disaster in the big picture (before the season I thought our win range is 7-9, with 6 as worst case, 10 as best case). But we’d be 3 wins behind Dallas. Can’t come back from that, even though we have them @ home in Week 17.

    But with not having our own 1st rounder, I’d then look for the Wildcard round. And I think the chances that the 2nd best team from the NFC East gets a Wildcard spot are pretty high. This is a good Division this year, sadly (I know you like to have a strong Division, Tommy, I disgree with that, always have). Watching NFL Redzone last week, I already started to cheer that way. Packers loss was a good thing, because the Falcons will win their Division (imo). Saints win was also a good one, because the Seahawks will fight with the Cardinals for the Division title and possibly for the Wildcard round (again, imo, I don’t take the Rams very seriously).

    We’re 3-0 at home, having beat two of the best teams in the league (at that point, at least) in a dominant fashion. That’s a good thing. But you have to start winning some games outside of the horrible Bears on the road. Dallas was a good start in that regard, it was the best on the road performance after the Bears game (one could argue it was even better, because of the level of competition). We need that win on Sunday. You also can’t go 0-3 in the Division. Even though all 3 games were on the road.

    The Giants are somewhat similar to the Vikings on Offense. Rely heavy on the quick passing game. A statue pocket passer with no mobility. A very weak OL. The have an even worse running game than the Vikings. Thing is, the Vikings had Diggs, Rudolph and nothing else, the Giants have Beckham, Cruz and Shepard. Our CBs have to play good.

    On Defense, there are two very important pieces where they are pretty good at – their DL and their CBs. They don’t have a good LB corps and they only have Collins at Safety, even though he’s a little bit overrated after that London performance imo. We have to contol the middle of the field on Offense. Ertz and JMatt need to get back on track.

    They are coached very, very poorly on Defense. The talent there is imo way better than the results – that’s coaching. Doug has to dominante the coaching battle. I’m pretty sure Schwartz won’t lose his battle against McAdoo.

  26. 26 Ray888 said at 8:08 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Perhaps Huff could be required to push a blocking sled across the field before practice today. It seems to have gotten everyone’s attention in lts last iteration.

  27. 27 Aaron said at 8:27 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    cut the bum

  28. 28 Dave said at 8:48 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    …and now an update on our old friend Chip.

    “After Kelly won a power struggle for personnel control in Philadelphia and then lost his job because he did such an awful job wielding that control, we’re hearing multiple reports of Kelly’s representatives testing the waters around several plum college job openings because he may be coming to the realization that he is just a better fit in the college game than he is in the NFL.”

    “According to our sources, Kelly’s “people” have been quietly planting seeds at most of the schools mentioned above, making it clear that if they do in fact end up with a search for a new coach, they might be pleasantly surprised by Kelly’s willingness and desire to talk.”

  29. 29 ChoTime said at 9:30 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Logical. He never had much a chance in SF, anyway, and now that he has two fails on his resume, and his calling card, offense, has been figured out…

  30. 30 Stephen E. said at 11:08 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Hope he doesn’t Bobby Petrino those guys.

  31. 31 ChoTime said at 11:11 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I doubt anyone even cares.

  32. 32 Dominik said at 11:13 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    If you give Chip LSU, USC or Texas talent, they’ll be a contender in two or three seasons. His scheme works in College football. He only got beat in big games by schools with elite talent. Better talent than he had at Oregon (especially in the trenches)… While I was a huge fan at the beginning, I don’t think Chip is suited for the NFL anymore. DC’s figured out his scheme and his leadership style doesn’t work with grown up millionaires (the last one was the problem for Saban in the NFL, too). Maybe it could have worked if he was able to get an elite QB, but he didn’t (maybe it would have saved Saban, too).

    But in College, I’m very sure it will work. Oregons struggles since he wasn’t the one recruting the players show me that he made a lot of good decisions in College. He did overachieve.

    I would love Chip at LSU, personally. Kelly vs. Saban for the SEC title year in, year out could be a lot of fun. Throw in Meyer at Ohio State, Harbaugh at Michigan and the two, three other good teams you’ll find every year and you have great games, especially great Playoffs.

    Just give Chip a good college DC and while the LSU Defense will be weaker than it is now (because the hurry up does stress the Defense, it is what it is), the Offense will be much better.

  33. 33 bill said at 9:17 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “Part of me says he should do something to send a message to the other players that this kind of nonsense has to stop”

    One would hope that the fact that Huff faces jail time would send that message best. Unfortunately, it’s clear that some people just never get that message, no matter where it comes from.

  34. 34 unhinged said at 9:20 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    This whole incident is a prime example of the importance of credibility. A spouse can commit some egregious errors, some over-the-line offenses some actions that enrage…and all can be forgiven. Lying about your behavior is often a deal breaker, and so is shutting down when you’re behavior is exposed. When I read Huff’s explanation for his owning a gun and carrying it, I was relieved. Huff speaks like a man with with his priorities in order. He seems keenly aware that, in order to have any measure of success in his life he has to show up. He isn’t a poser. I hope, for his sake, he gets to continue to compete on the field.
    That being said, I don’t believe that Doug Pederson can afford to not address this in a demonstrative way. If some guys need reminding – possibly on a daily basis – that EVERY decision from when you eat and what you eat to who you spend your time with to where you go and what you get up to…ALL should be thoughtfully made in light of this: You are charged with being ready to perform at your best four hours per week. Nothing in your power that negatively impinges on that responsibility is looked on as smart or advisable. WE want people committed and smart. Excuses are for kids. The Eagles have resources. If Pederson delivers a sobering message, he can back it up with a sincere offer to help. Distractions can be tough for the distracted to clearly see and avoid. Pederson cannot be silent. He needs to make every player believe that he will be as committed as he is asking them to be. Credibility.

  35. 35 Bert's Bells said at 9:54 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I haven’t read what Huff said, but I’ll take your word since you don’t come off as completely unhinged.

    Moreover, and I’m saying this as a person who’s never toked and has seen some bad drug related nonsense, marijuana needs to be legalized ASAP. The NFL should be actively encouraging players to use it.

  36. 36 Dave said at 10:45 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “The NFL should be actively encouraging players to use it.”

    I think you mean the strains of the drug that are used for pain management, instead of taking opioids. Most recreational use is to get high, not for pain management.

    Moreover, part of Huff’s problem is that he was smoking while driving, which is no different that drinking and driving. Both cause impairment.

    BTW, I think all forms of the drug should be legalized.

  37. 37 Bert's Bells said at 10:50 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah, 100% with you.

    It goes without saying that smoking up and driving is criminal. I don’t know much about the stuff, but from what I’ve read it’s much safer for “chronic” pain management than oxy and most other prescriptions.

  38. 38 Dave said at 10:58 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    If things were reversed, meaning what if we as a society have always grown a plant in our house to use for pain management, it would seem outlandish to go to a doctor for an expensive prescription of an additive drug.

    I think back as a kid when my mom would break off a leaf of her aloe vera plant any time my sisters or I got a minor burn or rash from poison ivy.

  39. 39 Bert's Bells said at 11:20 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    And, of course, most pharmaceuticals are derived from plants. They’re just scienced-up to make them more efficacious.

  40. 40 Corry said at 9:34 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Huff is an idiot. Plain and simple.

    That said, Matt Lombardo had an article with a discussion with Andrew Brandt regarding team punishment of players. Brandt pointed out that in the current NFL, some teams are choosing to allow Goodell to handle these situations. Its an easier deal with the aftermath of the suspension if the commissioner comes off as the bad guy.

  41. 41 ChoTime said at 11:01 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe the Minnesota coach was on to something with the slit-throat stuffies in his locker room:
    “In two studies, the results of which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the Journal of Sport and Exercise Psychology, basketball-playing participants scored more points after being presented with death-related prompts, either direct questions about their own mortality or a more subtle, visual reminder of death.”

  42. 42 usmcnole said at 11:05 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I really wish they would give Paul Turner a chance. Atleast the man can catch a football

  43. 43 Sb2bowl said at 12:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Probably going to get your wish.

  44. 44 mtn_green said at 11:09 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I get it but don’t get it.
    Rookies need an orientation: license your guns, don’t drive with drugs in the car, don’t hit cabana boys, no guns on plane, don’t hit your wife, no sex in sex club ever.

    Actually they probably do have that orientation. These are athletes that were gods in high school, gods in college, gods now. Laws don’t apply, except when they do.

  45. 45 ChoTime said at 11:23 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    NFL Rookie Transition Program (I assume Puff, I mean Huff, attended):

    “Mandatory topics will include social responsibility, respect at work, mental health, character and values, and player engagement resources. Teams will cover other key topics either as part of the three-day program or prior to it, including player health and safety, a review of player policies and resources, working with the news media in the age of social media, financial education, and playing rule changes from college to the pros.

    “This new orientation program is a win-win because it allows us to give every rookie the benefit of resources from the league that will contribute to success both on and off the field,” said Miami Dolphins Director of Player Engagement Kaleb Thornhill. “It also brings onboarding home to our club’s heritage and culture, and the resources and relationships available in our community.”

  46. 46 mtn_green said at 4:27 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “Guns, hollow point bullets, weed and speeding”

  47. 47 ChoTime said at 11:21 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    OT: the Presidential race keeps going back and forth like the titanic struggle between two nags surging for a bucket of sugar cubes. Hilary ahead by 7%, now 4%,now tied… what I want to know is: Who are these idiots who don’t know who they’re voting for, like 6 months ago? What information, what revelation, has come out that has changed your worldview–glowing heavenly light of epiphany–so much that you’d switch horses? Who are these low-information people that don’t know the difference between a Republican and a Democrat? Do they even deserve the franchise?

  48. 48 peteike said at 11:22 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    you just cant buy these poll swings, its to keep viewers and readers locked in. I think the apathy non vote is probably more of a factor than anything

  49. 49 Dave said at 11:42 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    A bigger question is, who are these people that answer their phone to be polled in the first place?

  50. 50 peteike said at 11:54 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    right. Im also wondering if this election isnt actually bringing both sides together more. Crazy, I know but we only ever see the extremes of the sides it seems. I have had more casual conversations with people or overheard them where there is a general agreement that everything stinks. Or neither candidate is good etc etc. Its kind of strange and yes, my anecdotal evidence is rock solid

  51. 51 meteorologist said at 1:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


  52. 52 Mac said at 11:41 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    The polls did such a great job predicting brexit. As someone who spent four years studying sociology and demographics in college I can assure you that surveys can be designed to get whatever result you’d like.

  53. 53 Iskar36 said at 11:41 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So most of the recent (last week or so) movement has been Trump gaining voters in the polls RATHER than Hillary losing voters. In other words, Hillary has been around 47-48% of the vote based on polls for most of this recent swing. The changes have been Trump going from 40% up to 45%. Some of that movement is voters that prefer third party candidates recognizing that either Trump or Clinton will win, so rather than use a vote on a third party candidate, pick the lesser of two evils.

    The other major factor in that movement though is that lots of the movement in Trumps favor are likely voters who did not want to voice their support for Trump following the tape, coming back to Trump. In other words, these are voters who would have voted for Trump the entire time, but following the tape, did not want to respond to pollsters. So, the polls significantly declined for Trump because much fewer Trump voters were willing to express their support for Trump, but now that the tape is out of the major new cycle, those voters are willing to voice their opinion again and his numbers go back up.

  54. 54 anon said at 12:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Think the voters in your second para were motivated by Comey?

  55. 55 Iskar36 said at 2:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t know. The movement back to Trump started BEFORE Comey came out and talked about reopening the emails case. It certainly has continued to move in that direction since then, so it wouldn’t be surprising if a few Trump voters were re energized because of it, but considering Hillary’s numbers haven’t changed before or after Comey spoke, I would lean that this news didn’t really effect most of Hillary Clinton supporters and only really had an effect on Trump supporters.

  56. 56 Julescat said at 12:17 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    the polls don’t have to be honest until the last one before the election. That’s the one the polling company will be judged on.

  57. 57 RobNE said at 2:31 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I do not think the race is going back and forth. One candidate had a lead, got a bigger lead, and now has a smaller lead. It’s not tied now, if tied is meant to mean each has a 50% chance of winning.

    But I agree with your overall point. But if you ever see a show or read an interview where they ask questions to undecided voters, well it does not make me feel good about democracy.

  58. 58 disqus_jB7dl5fzvO said at 11:38 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Well they cut Huff, so…..

  59. 59 Mac said at 11:39 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Ask and ye shall receive (fingers crossed for a receiver who knows how to catch a football).

  60. 60 disqus_jB7dl5fzvO said at 11:42 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Might have to wait a while for that wish to come true.

    I really hate that I just expect our receivers to drop open passes. Definitely dulls the excitement of watching Wentz.

  61. 61 Crus57 said at 11:44 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Do you think we could get Schwartz to apply some pressure to Howie to get some WRs who can catch for his D to practice against?

  62. 62 disqus_jB7dl5fzvO said at 11:54 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    About the same chance as winning the Super Bowl.

  63. 63 Mac said at 11:38 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    It’s Turner Time!

  64. 64 bdbd20 said at 12:07 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yup. Message boards are going to crash if he does something relevant in the next few games.

  65. 65 Corry said at 11:46 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Welp, Pederson did say they wanted to get all the information before taking any action…guess they got all the information.

  66. 66 Dave said at 11:50 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah, Huff deflecting the gun charge by saying “What professional athlete doesn’t have a gun”.

  67. 67 bdbd20 said at 11:59 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I’m sure the team was looking for him to say something like this:
    “I messed up. I need to make better decisions going forward. I take full responsibility and I will accept any discipline from the NFL and from the team. Thank You.”

  68. 68 ChoTime said at 4:41 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    My guess is the team made a “business decision.” If Huff was good enough to keep, they woulda kept him.

  69. 69 Sb2bowl said at 12:10 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    To be fair- he’s right. But the context in which he said that, he probably could have deflected that conversation for another day.

  70. 70 anon said at 12:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    yup athletes get robbed all the time. CJ2k got literally shot in his car in front of his house.

  71. 71 Gary Barnes said at 3:29 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Locker room talk? lol

  72. 72 Dave said at 3:50 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Huff is a Bad Hombre!

  73. 73 Julescat said at 12:19 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Huff seems to have issues. Maybe some time away from football will help clear his head.

  74. 74 Insomniac said at 11:51 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Goodbye Huff, I ain’t even mad about this. Another mistake that Chip Kelly left behind getting cleaned up.

  75. 75 Crus57 said at 11:53 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    To be fair to Huff, he was just starting to look really good on STs, and was running hard when given a chance to get some speed up before contact. Shame it took this long, shame he blew it in a really dumb way.

  76. 76 Insomniac said at 11:58 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    He was a good ST player but our ST unit has been good since Chip Kelly/Dave Fipp got here. The thing with Huff is that there’s too many guys similar to he was on the team right now. Barner, Huff and Smallwood are pretty much interchangeable as returners. As for gunners, well I don’t know who’ll be replacing him but in Fipp I trust.

  77. 77 anon said at 12:52 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Huff is top 8 ALLTIME in avg return yardage. Can’t underestimate that in the field position game we play.

  78. 78 Insomniac said at 12:56 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Is he really? Doesn’t seem like it to me.

  79. 79 Corry said at 11:54 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I do feel bad for Huff. I still think he’s an idiot but it looked like he had found his niche on the team…then he was stupid and it cost him.

  80. 80 myartz04 said at 11:53 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Whats done is done. SHould I pick up Treggs on my fantasy team?

  81. 81 GermanEagle said at 11:57 AM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Howie R. is giving an interview at noon…

  82. 82 DarthBanner said at 12:02 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Huff released. Doug Simpleton knows not of what he speaks.

  83. 83 Sb2bowl said at 12:15 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So, who takes over gunner/punt duties? I’m thinking Smallwood will take over on kickoff returns, but losing Huff on coverage duties will hurt.

    Also, how does this change our offense? Doug has gotten away from the motion and jet sweeps as of late, but they were a positive wrinkle to buy that extra 1/2 second of hesitation to get our (non)skill players open.

  84. 84 Dave said at 12:28 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “So, who takes over gunner/punt duties?”

    Agholor! lol, I just had a great belly laugh typing that.

  85. 85 anon said at 12:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    You’d think ags would be good at that assuming he didn’t muff.

    Anyone think we should call Riley cooper back? Maybe he’s the key to the offense.

  86. 86 Insomniac said at 12:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    We’re not that desperate..are we?

  87. 87 anon said at 12:58 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    people are excited about paul turner.

  88. 88 BlindChow said at 7:19 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Paul Turner hasn’t dropped passes that hit him squarely in the hands…

  89. 89 ChoTime said at 11:47 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “gunner” in what sense?

  90. 90 Blackfoot said at 12:36 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    so if Huff was on the PA side of the bridge would he still have been released?

  91. 91 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:37 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    He was still drunk, so…

  92. 92 Dave said at 12:38 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yup, he was at the facility in the morning, left, lit up a blunt, and was driving home when he got busted.

  93. 93 Blackfoot said at 2:21 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


  94. 94 GermanEagle said at 12:41 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    That’s the wrong question!

    The right Q would sound like this:

    So if Huff was our starting WR would he still have been released?

  95. 95 Crus57 said at 1:49 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    what about if that pass he threw last game was completed for a TD?

  96. 96 GermanEagle said at 2:16 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Good question. Lol!

  97. 97 Julescat said at 12:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    weed, speeding, impaired driving are all against the law in PA

  98. 98 Blackfoot said at 2:21 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    sure but would he have been released?

  99. 99 RobNE said at 2:04 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I read that for legal purposes, the entire bridge is considered NJ. There is no half/half.

  100. 100 Corry said at 12:39 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    When asked if Huff brought the gun to the team facilities Howie responded: “Josh said he didn’t.”. Reading between the lines and analyzing the way Howie was kind of evasive, I have a feeling Huff did indeed bring the gun onto company property. That is a violation of NFL rules if that is the case and grounds for release.

  101. 101 ACViking said at 12:39 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Re: “Take Back My Franchise” . . . Riley Cooper v. Josh Huff

    The quoted words, according to reports, were spoken by Lurie shortly before firing Chip Kelly.

    In August 2013, Cooper infamously screamed a vile racial epithet.

    Kelly and the franchise — i.e., Lurie and then-GM Roseman — faced a critical moment . . . fire Cooper or put lipstick on the pig that he is.

    Lurie chose lipstick.

    Three years later, Josh Huff pulls off the Pick-5 of criminal stupidity:

    1. Driving well over the speed limit, in an SUV with
    2. Illegally tinted windows, carrying
    3. Weed, along with
    4. An unloaded firearm, and
    5. Hollow-point bullets.

    Then, back at NovaCare after his arrest, Huff made the kind of unfortunate remark — don’t all players carry handguns and, I guess, hollow points — you’d expect from a 25 year-old with a personal background to which I cannot remotely relate and would not wish on anyone.

    The Eagles have now cut Huff . . . which makes me wonder:

    Did the Eagles — thru Quintin Mickell in player relations or someone in security — warn all the players that New Jersey (alone among all 50 states) does not honor out-of-state conceal-and-carry permits?

    Did Jeff Lurie ever warn the players, directly or through staff, that getting busted for dope or fire-arms possession is a one-way ticket out of town?

    After all, just 3 years ago, Jeff Lurie authorized the return of a genuine piece of crap in Riley Cooper (a position I’ve maintained from Day 1). And I don’t care what Vick said or how desperate the Eagles were for a WR after season-ending injuries to Maclin and Aurelius Benn.

    Ultimately, Lurie had to say “yes.” And he did.

    Now, today, Lurie’s cut a kid who’s 1,000 percent more of a man than Cooper will ever hope to be.

    Lurie’s cut a kid who’s overcome more than Lurie, Roseman, Pederson, Schwartz — and likely just about every commenter on this board — ever had to confront and overcome to reach their present station.

    The kid did and said something dumb. But not in the same galaxy as Riley Cooper. Not remotely.

    Yes, Lurie’s taken back his franchise.

    Yes, Lurie’s probably supporting the recommendation of his key staff.

    And, yes, Lurie’s made the wrong choice again on player discipline.

  102. 102 Corry said at 12:49 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    One thing I think you might dismissing is that in the 48 hours since the arrest, the Eagles have had an opportunity to investigate this more. Depending on what information is available from the local police who handled the arrest, the Eagles could have found more information that made the release necessary. For example, if he had the gun with him at the NovaCare Complex (not just in the locker room), that is a violation of NFL rules and is grounds for release (I posted that just below, so I’m repeating myself). I think there’s more to this than Lurie wanting to make an example of someone. I’m guessing there was additional information that was made available to the team that prompted the decision.

  103. 103 ACViking said at 12:52 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


    All good points. I re-worked my original comment to include the gun-at-NovaCare angle.

    In the end, and I could have been more clear, I’m against firing Huff.

    A suspension would have been fine. And makes sense.

    But firing the kid, after the Cooper precedent, was too much for me.

  104. 104 Insomniac said at 12:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Gun paranoia is at an all time high this decade so there’s that too.

  105. 105 GermanEagle said at 12:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe this paranoia is warranted after all these shootings as of late?

  106. 106 Insomniac said at 12:57 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yea I agree with you, the hollow point thing didn’t help his case.

  107. 107 GermanEagle said at 12:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    No it was the only right decision to make an example.

  108. 108 Corry said at 1:00 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I agree that out right release is maybe a bit too draconian, but I think you have to look at the whole situation including the Bradham and Agholor situations. At some point, the team has to say enough is enough and make the tough decision.

    I think you also have to look at the potential punishment as the result of the pending investigation. Huff is looking at some serious penalties. I don’t think it’s one charge for having the bullets but a separate charge for each bullet.

    Without having all the information that the Eagles likely have, I’m not sure I can be entirely against this, other than to feel bad for Huff and want for him to have a second chance.

  109. 109 ACViking said at 1:02 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    C —

    Again, excellent work.

    Huff’s guilty of bad timing (and likely more). That’s for sure.

    A real shame. I’ve never been a big fan of him as a player — but I’m a huge fan of him as a person.

  110. 110 Dave said at 1:24 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “But firing the kid, after the Cooper precedent, was too much.”

    Maybe they regretted how they handled the Cooper situation. Why is the team not allowed to change the precedent? Precedent is fine for legal proceedings, but not necessarily for a football team. As a scientist, I could care less about precedent as I’m always trying to use past success and failures as a learning tool, not a rule book.

  111. 111 ACViking said at 1:32 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


    Agree all people, ‘specially NFL owners, are free to re-think previously stupid decisions.

    By precedent, I don’t mean to suggest a binding rule.

    It’s just an example of how the team handled a prior problem.

    And if the team thinks the handling of Cooper was, in hindsight, absolutely stupid (it was) . . .

    It’d be worth hearing the team say something along those lines.

    Ultimately, I agree 100% with both you’re premise and your surmise.

    Just think, on the facts, Huff earned a suspension. Not a firing. (While Cooper earned a firing and instead got a contract extension.)

  112. 112 Dave said at 1:52 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    If he left the team facility to drive home and got arrested with a gun, where did he have the gun while he was at the NovaCare Complex? He said he did not have it with him on team property. Howie made that clear that the NFL prohibits guns on team facilities and that the players are well aware of this rule.

    If they checked the time stamp on the onsite security camera when he left the facility against his arrest time, they could have determined he had the gun in his car and lied to them.

    I just think there’s more than meets the eye in this situation.

    I wish he were still with the team for one main reason, they could offer him a support system and counseling, something he might not get now.

  113. 113 Corry said at 7:08 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    The loss of support is probably the number one reason why I’m bummed by this.

  114. 114 RobNE said at 2:03 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    well it sucks for Huff if he gets cut because of what Ags did.

  115. 115 iceberg584 said at 12:50 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe (probably) Huff is a better human than Riley Cooper. But Cooper broke no laws and didn’t needlessly endanger other people’s lives. Huff can’t say the same thing.

  116. 116 Insomniac said at 12:52 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    he hurt a lot of people’s feelings though.

  117. 117 ACViking said at 12:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    IB584 –

    NFL teams are fiefdoms, with owners kings (limited only by the CBA).

    My only problem here (again, I should have been more clear) is Lurie firing Huff — not suspending him.

    Sanctions were in order. Just not, IMO, the ultimate sanction.

  118. 118 Insomniac said at 12:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yes Huff had a rough childhood, I feel sympathetic for him but that doesn’t excuse him from being an idiot. Accountability is something everyone has to take when they make a mistake. While I agree that the league can do way more in educating players on how to stay within the law, it doesn’t prevent the person from going through with their actions. He fucked up big time and will probably learn from it. On the bright side, he didn’t kill anyone.

  119. 119 RC5000 said at 1:05 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Curious if you know what does the league and NFLPA and agents need to do more specifically? I don’t know exactly what they do and don’t do? They have a rookie symposium. They have plenty of authority figures and veteran players they can go to . They can call to be picked up from clubs, etc. right ?

  120. 120 Insomniac said at 1:28 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I’m actually clueless about this side of football so I might just be spewing BS right now. I’m not sure what the NFLPA provides but from what I’ve seen it’s that they don’t do too much about prevention. Take the Lane Johnson situation for example. The NFLPA gave out an supplement testing app that was pretty much russian roulette for players using it. I don’t have a real solution but providing more resources for their players is never a bad thing.

    Maybe the league can create a 24/7 hotline for players that can help them with the legal and supplement stuff?

  121. 121 RC5000 said at 1:36 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    They definitely should do something along those lines. That would be easy to do.

  122. 122 BreakinAnklez said at 3:07 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Why does the NFL / NFLPA have to do more? What more do they need to do? I’ve moved several times to different states. No one was watching over me or telling me what the new gun laws were. I looked it up.

    At some point it’s on the players to not be stupid and take responsibility. They are not incompetent children and holding there hands isn’t helping anyway, especially them.

  123. 123 GermanEagle said at 12:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I am not here making excuses for Riley’s disgusting comments, however Huff’s situation is totally different. We are talking about a ‘mistake’ that could bring him a couple of years behind bars.

  124. 124 ACViking said at 1:00 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Respectfully . . .

    If Jason Peters had done this, the Eagles would be saying, “the matter is in the hands of law enforcement, so we have no comment.”

    In a vacuum, cutting Huff loose is fine.

    I just see Lurie’s decision — because he has final say — as a too severe.

  125. 125 GermanEagle said at 1:22 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Of course JP wouldn’t have been fired. But that’s not the argument here. You were comparing two different cases [Riley vs. Huff] between players with the same ‘status’ on the team.

  126. 126 Iskar36 said at 1:34 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I would actually argue, Cooper (from a football standpoint) had a higher status on the team than Huff.

    And I also would add, you can absolutely make the case that keeping Cooper was the WRONG decision and therefore shouldn’t be used as precedent for anything.

  127. 127 ACViking said at 1:39 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


    Everything the Eagles and Lurie did after Cooper opened his mouth at that concert was wrong.

    But swinging the pendulum 180 degrees the other way on Huff — to harsh for me.

    120 degrees, and a suspension, would have been enough.

  128. 128 Iskar36 said at 2:01 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    But this is exactly where you have to add in “football decisions” as part of the equation. Huff is a very replaceable player. As of the end of the Dallas game, he had 13 rec for 72 yards and 1 touchdown, and was playing well on STs. If you are going to suspend a player for a number of games that isn’t providing a ton for your team, AND add in the fact that there is a real possibility of significant jail time in Huff’s future, why suspend instead of just releasing him?

    From a business standpoint, which is what the Eagles organization is, it simply makes more sense to cut him and replace him than suspend him. It’s not worth the expenses or the headache. Is it necessarily fair? Probably not, but it is justified.

  129. 129 GermanEagle said at 1:52 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Agreed, I wasn’t advocating that keeping Cooper was the right decision. However when comparing those two cases (especially the legal grounds and ramifications of both offenses), firing Huff was simply more justified.

  130. 130 Iskar36 said at 1:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    That second part was more directed at ACViking than your comment. But yes, I agree.

  131. 131 Mr. Magee said at 5:36 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Oh boy… And 6 upvotes to boot

  132. 132 SteveH said at 12:58 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Welp. *Adds Bryce Treggs to fantasy team*

  133. 133 SteveH said at 1:00 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I have no hot takes on this news, but I do wonder what the legal fallout will be for Huff. He’ll land in Sanfran no doubt if he can avoid jail time.

  134. 134 RC5000 said at 1:07 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    By no means am I against his release but how do Eagles react if this was a top player?

  135. 135 laeagle said at 2:14 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    He was a pretty important player, to be honest. It’s not like cutting Agolhor. Huff was our top gunner, and top returner. Was he a top receiver? No. But he was a top player on the team.

    I think if Lane Johnson had done the same thing, they’d handle it pretty much the same way. We’re talking potential prison, not like Johnson or Bradham. As in, not just the possibility of prison, but a high chance of it.

  136. 136 Bert's Bells said at 5:12 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Sadly, he was a top player for the Eagles.

  137. 137 ACViking said at 1:14 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So what’ll happen to Huff in NJ state court?

    He’s charged with — among other things — possession of a handgun without a permit to carry.

    (It’s nearly impossible to get a conceal-and-carry permit in NJ, so Huff’s most definitely guilty of being stupid for living in NJ — assuming the Eagles, the NFLPA, or his agent told him his Texas C-n-C license was toilet paper in NJ . . . so DO NOT LIVE THERE.)

    Pursuant to NJ’s mandatory sentencing laws, Huff faces a minimum term of 5 years in state prison without eligibility for parole for 3 years.

    However, if the govt agrees in a plea deal to treat the weapons-ammo offenses as Huff’s “first offense,” he may qualify for New Jersey’s Pre-Trial Intervention program — under which, after a period of court-supervised probation [1-2 years] is completed, the charges will be dismissed.

    (I don’t know if Huff has a prior record in other jurisdictions.)

    Huff’s in a jam.

    Maybe he has a good 4th Amendment search-and-seizure argument. Don’t know.

    But if his lawyer’s filing suppression motions, then you’d think the prosecutor’s not willing to go for P-T intervention.

    All in all, a pretty tough break for the kid — ’cause the only state in which this could have happened is NJ.

  138. 138 RC5000 said at 1:15 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Athletes always get off on a technicality don’t they?

  139. 139 ACViking said at 1:18 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t think it’s about their profile in the public.

    Athletes — professional, that is — generally have a good bit of money to spend on lawyers.

    Excellent lawyering in criminal cases is worth every penny spent. It makes a huge difference.

    Not always. (Aaron Hernandez)

    But usually. (Ray Lewis, OJ Simpson, Wn Moon, Ray Rice etc.)

  140. 140 anon said at 1:20 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Assume that if he was PT-eligible he wouldn’t have been released? Think Giants waiting longer before they dropped John Brown than Eagles did before dropping Huff.

  141. 141 ACViking said at 1:25 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


    Josh Brown clobbered his wife, apparently, more than a few times.

    Huff committed a victimless drug offense while carrying an unloaded weapon — which, in PA or DEL, seems it wouldn’t have been a crime.

    Tough circumstances, for sure.

    Just think firing to severe a punishment.

  142. 142 Dave said at 1:28 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    He’s lucky his DUI was victimless.

  143. 143 GermanEagle said at 1:31 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Thank you.

  144. 144 ACViking said at 1:35 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    You’re right.

    Donte Stallworth wasn’t so fortunate. And ended up in prison.

  145. 145 SteveH said at 5:27 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Stallworth at least seemed to show genuine remorse, unlike that tool over in Dallas Josh Brent.

  146. 146 BlindChow said at 7:06 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Alcohol impairment =/= Marijuana impairment.

    At least from a scientific standpoint.

    (relinking to an article about NHTSA data affirming as much, since it just happens to still be on my clipboard..)

  147. 147 Dave said at 7:40 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I read the NHSTA study linked in the post article. It seems like a pretty crappy study. They compared drunk driving accidents to non drunk people on the same road at the same time over 20 months.

    Then they took into account accidents where people had weed in their system that got into accidents and compared that to people who had weed in their system and didn’t get into an accident.

    They concluded that drunk people had a higher accident rate than people who had any amount of weed in their system.

    They admit that they still don’t know how to measure via blood at what level the weed impairedred people.

    That’s one seriously flawed study.

    The study misses one very critical data point, were those people that had weed in their system high or was the weed just the remnants from the day(s) before.

    As a person who has been high many times (many years ago), my personal experience was that when I was high, I was absolutely impaired. Unless weed has changed over the past 20 years, if you smoke it while driving, you will be impaired.

    I’m all for legalizing weed, I just think too many have a nonchalant view that smoking dope while driving or driving while high is fine.

  148. 148 Bert's Bells said at 5:11 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Can’t discount the DUI and the probability that he had the weapon on team property which is a violation of the NFL code of conduct.

  149. 149 RC5000 said at 1:32 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So public profiles don’t matter to lawyers? I don’t believe that for a minute. I realize cash matters also.

  150. 150 ACViking said at 1:37 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


    That’s not what I wrote.

    I wrote that public profile is not the reason athletes seem to do better in the justice system — since that was your premise.

    Lawyers love big-name clients. Good for business.

    But just having a big name won’t help you in the system unless you have a good legal team.

  151. 151 RC5000 said at 1:47 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So an athletes public profile leads to getting good lawyers who get their client (the athlete) off on a technicality.

  152. 152 anon said at 1:48 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Doubt lawyers are representing them pro bono.

  153. 153 Bert's Bells said at 5:10 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    There’s really no such thing as getting off on a “technicality”. A technicality was TO’s agent missing a filing deadline.

    When people win at trial it’s because the state didn’t meet the burden of proof, which theoretically is in favor of the defendant. It’s kind of an important concept to America.

  154. 154 Bert's Bells said at 5:07 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Right on. Like when that paypal d-bag who shut down Gawker said Hulk Hogan was only a “millionaire” and didn’t stand a chance in the legal system, I think he’s right on the fact even though he meant it in the d-baggest way possible.

    If you can’t mount an expensive defense, the system is stacked against you. The state just has too many resources that even a very smart and capable attorney can’t counter without a big staff of committed specialists.

  155. 155 RobNE said at 2:00 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I haven’t read all the below yet, but I read this as “he might get probation” so….why was he cut?

  156. 156 Bert's Bells said at 5:04 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Doesn’t speeding/DUI throw search and seizure out the window?

    Asking for a friend.

  157. 157 RobNE said at 6:06 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Speeding doubt it but likely smelled the pot.

  158. 158 ACViking said at 8:40 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    A traffic violation alone won’t save an illegal search — unless there’s proof that the cop did not have a good-faith belief that probable cause existed to believe a traffic violation occurred.

    But assume the cop had PC for the traffic violation.

    Then conducts a full-blown search of the car’s occupants and the car itself.

    The key, for the prosecution in opposing a suppression motion, will be the cop’s testimony — based on the Supreme Court’s “good faith” exception to the 4th Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable and warrantless searches and seizures usually will — that the cop had evidence, or at least a good-faith belief that evidence existed, of another crime that justified a search of the car.

    Under the SCOTUS’s good-faith cases, even if wrong, a cop’s good-faith belief ordinarily will kill any motion to suppress.

    Even worse, SCOTUS has blessed the arrest and booking of drivers for *traffic violations.* (The case involved a mother with her child — no drugs or alcohol.)

    This is important because it provides cops with another work-around to search a car. The case law in the past 10 years on traffic stops has put the driver in a completely untenable position.

    – A cop tells the driver he smells alcohol or pot.

    – Cop asks driver to step out of the car for breath test or admit consumption.

    – Driver invokes his right to refuse a breath test.

    – Cop arrests driver for suspicion of DUI . . . car impounded / dope/ guns / bullets found during routine inventory search.

    Fourth Amendment a dead letter.

  159. 159 anon said at 8:45 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah remember reading about this when studying for CA bar – on the bar we actually got the question about the police allowing drug dogs to sniff at someone’s door to give PC.

    Criminal procedure generally is a joke.

  160. 160 ACViking said at 8:46 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    A —

    That dog-sniffing case is outrageous!

    Once states go with elected judges, the deck is totally stacked against criminal defendants.

  161. 161 Bert's Bells said at 9:41 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    My constitutional law professor in college taught us that in the 19th Century police were personally liable for seizures. Warrants were almost never issued but if a person was acquitted the cop would be in trouble.

    This was, of course, before municipal policing was the norm.

    Not sure how accurate that is, but he was a legit scholar with a load of impressive publications.

  162. 162 ChoTime said at 11:38 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So, basically the Eagles’ cutting Huff wasn’t to send a message, it wasn’t any kind of sacrifice on their part, it was because his NFL career is over and they want to move on.

  163. 163 Sean Stott said at 1:19 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Side note, I’m so happy I don’t live in Jersey anymore. The laws and property taxes there are just asinine. The only state that is too stupid to realize that hollow-tip bullets are safer. Virtually impossible to get a concealed carry permit. Athletes are well known and can easily be robbed, they should have the right to defend themselves.

  164. 164 anon said at 1:21 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Why do people live there? Cheaper gas?

  165. 165 ACViking said at 1:24 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Proximity to the Atlantic Ocean.

    Ah . . . you should’ve seen it back in the day.

  166. 166 Dave said at 1:25 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Proximity to AC, the other AC;)

  167. 167 laeagle said at 2:11 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    sit back while someone else pumps your gas. what a luxury.

  168. 168 Cafone said at 9:00 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    In my opinion, athletes probably live there because it’s right over the Walt Whitman from the sports complexes where they work. There are a lot of nicer suburbs on the PA side of the river, but they take some driving to get to.

    Why young men in the prime of their lives want to live in the suburbs rather than in one of the largest cities in the US with all the great restaurants and nightlife options is something I do not understand.

  169. 169 anon said at 9:34 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    me neither – but maybe they are less conspicuous in a gated neighborhood. Sports players (and rappers) in NYC do the same thing. NYC has an extra income tax, but i’d happily pay that.

  170. 170 ACViking said at 1:23 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “Athletes are well known and can easily be robbed”

    True conceptually.

    But I can’t recall any recent incidents where a pro athlete was robbed on any NJ street.

    Moreover, I wouldn’t want athletes to be free — while everyone else isn’t — to pull a weapon and start a gun fight in public.

    No in NJ. Not in Nevada. Not in LA or NY.

  171. 171 Sean Stott said at 4:21 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I think someone with a legitimate reason should be able to CC, just giving pro athletes of a prime example of such a legitimate reason

  172. 172 GermanEagle said at 1:37 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Let’s not talk about the possession of gun and bullets for a minute.

    What I am actually missing from the comments below is the apparent accountability for the DUI charges.

    Dave rightfully just said that Huff was lucky that his DUI was ‘victimless’.

    I used to live in the UK for many years and I know that most companies reserve their right to fire people who were charged with a DUI.

    In general I have the feeling that the people in the States rather see this ‘crime’ as a trivial offense and I know a bunch of ‘friends’ who constantly DRINK and DRIVE.

    No wonder the hit and run fatalities in my Queens neighborhood have been so high constantly… *smh

  173. 173 anon said at 1:47 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    What hood are you in? In some of those neighborhoods there’s a lot of bad driving generally by people who don’t drink at all.

    The DUI is bad, but it wasn’t a DWI and again no one got hurt. You don’t get charged for attempted murder just for firing a bullet in the air.

  174. 174 GermanEagle said at 1:50 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Astoria. By my count we’ve had at least three deaths from hit and runs last year. Also one who got caught was highly intoxicated, killing a 23-year old mum and who was sentenced to 7 years.

  175. 175 Bert's Bells said at 1:58 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I bike in the city every day. LIC/Astoria is really dangerous. Almost as bad as the Hasidic neighborhoods.

  176. 176 GermanEagle said at 1:59 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I didn’t know you lived in NYC. Fancy watching the Eagles at Shorty’s on Sunday?

  177. 177 Bert's Bells said at 2:11 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Going on 25 years (minus the past year where I was living in Dublin).

    I might be up for a Monday Night game. I love rolling out of bed, making a huge breakfast and crashing on the couch all day Sunday. Probably more than watching the games sometimes.

  178. 178 GermanEagle said at 2:14 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Cool. Should have come out for last Sunday night game. But then we lost so probably not the worst idea of staying home.

  179. 179 anon said at 2:04 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I got creamed on the UES – hit and run (taxi) – though i sort of liked the rush of biking in the city.

  180. 180 Bert's Bells said at 2:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah. In Manhattan it’s easier, I think. Because even though it’s crazy you get a feel for the rules.

    Besides Hasids in SUVs (and I know that’s super racist, but whatever) the only near serious incidents I’ve had have been with other cyclists and, ironically, the CitiBike vans.

  181. 181 anon said at 2:15 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    That’s funny. Gotta say I bike more defensively in flushing / elmhurst for similar reasons.

  182. 182 Bert's Bells said at 1:47 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I think it’s the opposite. Everyone accepts that DUI is an exceptionally bad offense, so there’s no point in bringing it up.

    EDIT: just read the above reply, guess I was wrong on that.

    DOUBLE EDIT: Queens is the fucking worst for moron drivers.

  183. 183 GermanEagle said at 1:49 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Maybe I was reading the comments here wrong, but it’s definitely not the case of all the careless people I personally know who Drink and Drive all the time. Amongst them also cops…

  184. 184 Bert's Bells said at 1:50 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah, cops pull shit like that all of the time. Thin blue line.

  185. 185 Dave said at 1:59 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    “I know a bunch of ‘friends’ who constantly DRINK and DRIVE.”

    That’s my Wednesday night golf league. I’m shocked how nonchalantly some guys can get drunk and drive home, only to pass it off as they only live 5 miles away from the 19th hole. Last year, one guy totaled his vehicle by hitting a telephone pole and the others passed it off that he was an alcoholic, that’s why. Evidently, their thinking was that if you only get drunk one night per week and drive, it’s OK because you’re not an alcoholic.

  186. 186 GermanEagle said at 2:15 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Sad but true.

  187. 187 Cafone said at 8:57 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah, that’s not cool.

    But, driving drunk on the weekend after 2am is a lesser offense. Sober people, and especially children, shouldn’t be on the road at that time.

  188. 188 MattE said at 3:49 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    was he legally drunk or are they popping him with a DUI due to weed?

  189. 189 GermanEagle said at 3:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I dunno for a fact but I would be expecting the latter. Which you shouldn’t be driving under this influence either way.

  190. 190 BlindChow said at 6:57 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Ehh, weed-driving is waaay different than alcohol-driving.

    And hey, I even found a study that backs up my anecdotal personal experience on the subject!

  191. 191 Corry said at 7:16 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    …I don’t want to share the road with stoned drivers or drunk drivers.

  192. 192 BlindChow said at 7:54 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    News Alert: You probably already are. And you’re much more in danger from the alkies than the potheads.

    I mean, I don’t want to diminish the seriousness of impaired driving; I only want to point out there isn’t a 1:1 equivalency between the two substances.

  193. 193 Corry said at 8:04 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I live in a college town, of course I’m sharing the road with impaired drivers on a regular basis….and stupid drivers and distracted drivers, etc etc etc

    I wasn’t implying that there is a 1:1 equivalency, but I would still prefer not to share the road with impaired drivers, drunk or stoned haha

  194. 194 Cafone said at 8:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Stoned drivers drive 20 miles under the limit so they are pretty safe.

  195. 195 Sean Stott said at 4:20 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I didn’t know he got a DUI. IMO a DUI should be a mandatory year in prison. Way too dangerous.

  196. 196 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:58 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Marijuana DUI might be the dumbest most useless law in America unless you think smoking pot is like you see in the movies

  197. 197 anon said at 6:23 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Honestly, for bad drivers i’d recommend they smoke + drive — way more cautious while not doing anywhere near the speed limit.

  198. 198 GermanEagle said at 6:30 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I dunno. Every time I had some I wouldn’t be able to be driving. Maybe you’re from a different cloths.

  199. 199 BlindChow said at 7:56 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Seriously though, it is possible that pot in Germany is way more potent than in America…

  200. 200 ChoTime said at 11:32 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    All people with a DUI in Arizona go to jail. Even Donnie.

  201. 201 RC5000 said at 1:37 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I guess Josh left in a puff.

  202. 202 Crus57 said at 1:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    He huffed and he puffed and he blew his job down.

  203. 203 A_T_G said at 2:02 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Quit joshin’ guys, this isn’t funny.

  204. 204 Ark87 said at 7:41 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Slow down. Quit making your hollow points of morality. Weed all be better off if you quit huffing glue. Du I need to take off my green tinted glasses?

  205. 205 Dave said at 2:04 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

  206. 206 anon said at 2:08 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Should i pick up Maclin for the game this sunday? Foles is starting. We can see the 2013 dream team.

  207. 207 Dave said at 2:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


  208. 208 Rambo said at 2:40 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Situation to monitor. I would grab Tyreek Hill unless you have better options.

    Jeremy Maclin (groin) will not practice Thursday.
    Maclin was not listed on the injury report Wednesday, so this looks like a new injury. Mid-week additions are never a good sign, but it is too early to tell how serious the injury is. Maclin’s participation Friday will be important to monitor.

  209. 209 anon said at 2:42 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah was looking at hill, my leagues are total yards leagues so hill also has that benefit.

  210. 210 Rambo said at 3:07 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    He’s only had one week where he scored less than 7 points for me. I’d definitely roll him out this week.

  211. 211 Tdoteaglefan said at 5:47 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yup I dropped Maclin and picked up Tyreek Hill last week and he immediately gave me 28pts against the league counts for total yards as well, so that was definitely a consideration for taking him. My other Receivers are Antonio Brown, Travis Benjamin, Stephon Diggs and John Brown.

  212. 212 FairOaks said at 1:41 AM on November 4th, 2016:

    Maclin didn’t play in 2013.

  213. 213 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 2:29 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    FIlm breakdown from the Dallas game. Graham is looking like the best player we have on defense.

  214. 214 anon said at 2:35 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    really turned a corner this year. Glad we didn’t drop him like i wanted to 2 years ago.

  215. 215 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 2:40 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    MS is actually turning into a football player. He may never live up to his draft status but i think he is earning his spot in the DE rotation.

    His Spin move is better than Barwins

  216. 216 Nick C said at 2:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    It pains me to say it because I love Barwin as a person, but I do not see him here next year. Cap numbers nowhere near the production.

  217. 217 GermanEagle said at 5:24 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    They could always restructure and bring down his cap hit.

  218. 218 FairOaks said at 1:39 AM on November 4th, 2016:

    Or perhaps a 3-4 team would be willing to pay him quite a bit more than we would.

  219. 219 BlindChow said at 6:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    And glad he didn’t sign with the Giants last year…

  220. 220 BobSmith77 said at 12:55 AM on November 4th, 2016:

    Been stunning how well he has played this year. Arguably even more than what Wentz has done.

  221. 221 Aaron said at 3:05 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    so……………….he gone

  222. 222 Blackfoot said at 3:22 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    like a steam locomotive rolling down the track, he’s gone.
    and nothing’s gonna bring him back

  223. 223 P_P_K said at 4:19 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Steal your face right off your head…

  224. 224 unhinged said at 5:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Ah…thank you for a sweet diversion.

  225. 225 P_P_K said at 9:48 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    A long, strange, and sweet trip.

  226. 226 GermanEagle said at 3:26 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So Malcolm Jenkins is now publicly saying that Huff’s release was more of a distraction than his actual arrest.

    Great way to prepare for a must win showdown with the Giants….

    Why does it always seem to be drama around the Eagles?!

  227. 227 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 3:32 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    They have a lot of media covering the team?

  228. 228 anon said at 4:12 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Agree with that – surprised they didn’t just wait until after the game. All these people have personal connections.

  229. 229 A_T_G said at 6:32 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Then people would say they put beating the Giants ahead of their morals and it would have dragged out another week.

  230. 230 Media Mike said at 6:48 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I can handle beatings of Giants for everybody. F them.

  231. 231 BlindChow said at 6:49 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    The Eagles probably saw the PR-storm that surrounded the Giants not immediately cutting their punter so figured they better be safe than sorry.

  232. 232 unhinged said at 6:03 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    There is an inherent tension between players’ lifestyles and a tight-ass corporation that has no clue about its public image. The drama you lament is league-wide, I think.

  233. 233 Cafone said at 8:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t have much sympathy there. Players get cut all the time. Suck it up Malcolm.

  234. 234 anon said at 4:18 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Treggs starting sunday — hopefully he’s DJax2

  235. 235 GermanEagle said at 4:30 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Are you sure he’s “starting”?

  236. 236 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:55 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I was hoping for Antonio Brown Jr.

  237. 237 Corry said at 6:54 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I would accept “competent.”

  238. 238 Cafone said at 8:49 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    More likely Chris Givens II, but the Eagles might as well keep bringing guys in and maybe they’ll get lucky.

  239. 239 anon said at 8:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    yeah surprised givens didn’t get a call – i wonder if he was only here b/c of chemistry with sam

  240. 240 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:44 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    So ridiculous to cut a player over a victim less crime because a few holier than thou media blowhards were crying about the Eagles doing nothing… Josh huff was going to deal with plenty of consequences from the Law and the League, no reason why coaches, players and fans should be punished from this.
    Yesterday I watched Rueban Franks and Derreck Gunn ripping the Eagles to shreds for not punishing him, now I’m blown away watching how much Rueban Franks ripping the Eagles to shreds for cutting him… Amazing
    Now the players are upset and HOWIE made Pederson look like he has no power cutting Huff a day after Pederson said he wouldn’t be cut
    And if that’s not bad enough, the fans lost one of our few run after catch playërs on a team that lacks weapons to begin with. Most importantly we lost a guy playing like a pro bowl gunner and returnman which has been a huge help to a struggling offense.. And for what? Josh Huff hurt no one but himself and his family and today we decide to pretend that NFL HASNT been tolerating people who make huge mistakes for Decades, this was probably one of the low points in the young mans life and we pile on like this and punish everyone? Hard to respect the eagles today for cowering to the pandering media because we couldn’t endure two days of negative press From media vultures,, there is no victim in the Huff case, I think Bradham assualtimg a civilian is more deserving of punishment,,, as long as an Eagle isn’t hurting other people, him getting in trouble is not my business..
    Łet An Eagle beat a woman, or animal, and I’ll help crucify him myself… But what Josh Huff did is not my business to be piling on after all the serious trouble he is already facing unless there are facts we are not aware of yet
    I would cut him over an alcohol DUI, but unless he started smoking pot two weeks ago, anyone who smokes knows how truley ridiculous marijuani DUIs are. It’s total BS that legislators do not understand because they think smoking is like what you see in movies which is not reality unless you just started smoking a week ago, in which case you wouldn’t even be able to drive let alone do 60 mph on a bridge… Unfortunateky I don’t ever expect the government to understand enough to do away with canabis DUI, that’s why I eat edibles all day so they can kiss my ass. Problem solved. Nothing worse than people who DONT understand something making the rules that regulate it…
    #FreeJoshHuff 🙂

  241. 241 Bert's Bells said at 5:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


  242. 242 Media Mike said at 6:46 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Please don’t take this as me agreeing with G, but have you had a relative or friend die from gun violence? You’re typically not an F bomb type guy and I was just curious.

  243. 243 Bert's Bells said at 6:53 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Hasn’t everyone? Seriously. I don’t think I know anyone from the Philly area who hasn’t.

    His completely uninformed and thoughtless rambling on this stuff is just too much. He shouldn’t be humored.

  244. 244 Media Mike said at 6:59 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Gotcha. I’ve never lost anybody close to me, but I know what you’re saying.

  245. 245 Aaron said at 7:58 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


  246. 246 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:54 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Unfortunately. We will never stop football players from having guns, so by 2016, you would think the Eagles would grow a brain and have an open gun policy with playërs to where the Eagles take care of all their paper work making sure they can legally carry guns wherever they plan to carry them, so that players don’t have to do anything and we can try to eliminate this problem From biting us again… Make it clear to the players that the Eagles will take care of everything and all players have to do is give their signature since gun culture isn’t going away anytime soon

  247. 247 RobNE said at 6:04 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Can’t their agent do that?

  248. 248 Bert's Bells said at 6:10 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Kind of takes the lead out of “responsible gun owner” if you can follow basic state procedures.

  249. 249 RobNE said at 6:11 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    People pay people to understand laws and help with paperwork all the time.

  250. 250 Bert's Bells said at 6:08 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    You realize that
    1) this is against NFL policy
    2) it’s insanely stupid for a company to open itself to that kind of liability

  251. 251 anon said at 6:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    it’d be like having an approved list for supplements and then having to explain why someone who took a supplement that’s on the approved list got suspended?

  252. 252 Bert's Bells said at 6:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    but with live ammo

  253. 253 Ark87 said at 7:25 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah Lane is probably shooting blanks with the amount of stuff he is on. Oh you are talking about guns.

  254. 254 ACViking said at 8:47 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    A87 . . .

    This is an all-time post. Fantastic!

  255. 255 D3FB said at 8:25 AM on November 4th, 2016:

    <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

  256. 256 A_T_G said at 7:01 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    The team should probably also hand out guns that legal and have a supply of approved ammo available in the locker room. Having players fitted for a shoulder holster would be smart to avoid Plaxicoing themselves, too.

    This would be best handled while the players are being trained by professional drivers so their speeding isn’t so dangerous or in conjunction with the job fair at which players are introduced the the required “friend” they must hire to follow them around and carry the illegal shit.

    OR…we could pretend like being good at a game doesn’t exempt one from taking responsibility for the choices they make.

    You talk about these college-educated men as if they are special needs children that must be coddled.

  257. 257 Ark87 said at 7:15 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    special needs children that must be coddled: a lot of them are exactly that, and that coddling in college land legions of suddenly-wealthy man-children.

    It’s not really just athletes to be honest, I’ve noticed

  258. 258 anon said at 6:57 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Philly D vs Giants or Denver D vs Oakland. Leaning toward philly d.

  259. 259 Corry said at 7:00 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Philly. Denver will get theirs, but so will Carr Cooper and Crabtree.

  260. 260 anon said at 7:04 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    rashad jennings or darren sproles?

  261. 261 Corry said at 7:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I sound like a homer, but Sproles. I’m just not super impressed with the Giants Oline again.

  262. 262 John Galt said at 7:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Play Jennings so you are happy either way

  263. 263 Corry said at 7:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    There’s wisdom in this.

  264. 264 Tumtum said at 7:08 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Talib still out?

  265. 265 anon said at 7:11 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    yeah heard no talib this weekend

  266. 266 Tumtum said at 8:05 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Hometown heros 🙂 feeling another goose egg

  267. 267 Tumtum said at 7:09 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    David Johnson, Spencer Ware, Lamar Miller, Jordan Howard, Jeremy Hill….all on the bench. Feels bad man.

  268. 268 anon said at 7:12 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    All those guys hurt?

  269. 269 Corry said at 7:39 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Combo of bye weeks and injury.

  270. 270 Tumtum said at 8:03 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Only ware is hurt. Everyone else on bye. Really cant afford to lose either..bummer . Peyton Barber Tim hightower…..wooohoo

  271. 271 John Galt said at 7:16 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Business Idea – I am thinking of opening up a “loaded gun and weed holding” business next to one (or more) of the NFL teams training facilities. Obviously, there is already one in Philly, because Huff had to swing by to pick up his gun and weed after he left NovaCare, because he ain’t no Gilbert Arenas and he would never break the NFL rules about having a gun on the premises. However, there are 31 other teams that may need this type of service. Anyone want to invest?

  272. 272 Corry said at 7:18 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Expand that to include a taxi service to prevent DUI/DWI and I think you’re on to something.

  273. 273 Bert's Bells said at 8:33 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    That’s a money loser there. NFL already has one.

  274. 274 Corry said at 9:03 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Yeah but does their service also hold your gun and weed for you too?

  275. 275 Allen3000 said at 8:24 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I have no choice but to believe Dougie P, Howie, and Lurie did their due diligence and made what they believe is the best decision for the team/organization moving forward. My gut feeling is that it was a bit harsh. I think a multiple game suspension would suffice and get the message through to him (especially considering the forthcoming legal trouble and fines he will encounter).

    I don’t think Huff should be treated with kid gloves. He’s an adult and *should* know better than to put himself in this position. However, this is his first major off field transgression (at least that I know of) and it could be used as a valuable learning moment. Riley f’ing Cooper threatened to beat the living tar out every African American (using the most vile and derogatory terms) and was basically told that living with that shame would be enough. This is the same organization that went out of it’ way to engage in a smear campaign against DJax when he didn’t want to play by their rules. Funny how we have heard nothing of DJax’s ‘gang ties’ since his departure from Philly. I dunno….I guess this decision would sit better with me if I knew this organization operated with any sense of consistency and fairness.

  276. 276 Cafone said at 9:13 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Good post. I agree with you on the Riley Cooper thing. Though I have no evidence, I believe keeping him was more of a Chip Kelly choice than a Lurie/Roseman decision.

    I think when it comes down to it, Huff had several factors working against him. There had been too many other incidents and the team felt it had to make an example of him, both to the players and for the fans. Secondly, the charges against him almost guarantee a lengthy jail term. It’s one thing playing Lane Johnson when you know he’s going to be suspended. It’s another thing playing a player when you know he’s going to jail. That’s really bad PR. And, most important of all, Huff is a borderline NFL talent who isn’t good enough to be worth the trouble.

  277. 277 RobNE said at 9:58 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    He might get probation. Read ACV earlier post

  278. 278 GermanEagle said at 8:26 PM on November 3rd, 2016:


    Maybe it’s just me coming from Germany, but I honestly believe that guns kill people, rather saving them.

    Go birds.

  279. 279 Allen3000 said at 8:36 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I don’t personally own a gun and have never felt the urge to own one. I do have some friends and family who would vehemently disagree with both you and I, but I tend agree wholeheartedly.

    You’re fighting an almost no-win battle though. It’s just so ingrained in our culture.

  280. 280 anon said at 8:38 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Seems like the second amendment is the only one that people seem to go out of their way to protect.

  281. 281 HawaiianEagle said at 8:43 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Its so easy to exploit for political reasons.

  282. 282 Cafone said at 8:45 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    The tobacco industry must be looking at the gun industry and thinking “we really F’d up”. We should have made smoking patriotic and paid politicians to make laws guaranteeing we could not be sued for the dangerous effects of our product.

  283. 283 daveH said at 9:39 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Its not the tobacco as much as the control of the nicotine

  284. 284 ChoTime said at 11:28 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Or the insurance company. You have to buy their product, but they don’t have to deliver it. If they fail to pay the claim, you have to sue them. If you win, you just get what you had already paid for, plus you have to pay a lawyer.

  285. 285 ACViking said at 8:51 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    A —

    Fits hand-in-glove with the “law and order” rhetoric on which the GOP’s been running since Nixon.

    2nd Amendment allows people to protect themselves from those bad people . . . who rely on the

    4th Amendment — which just gets in the way of putting those bad people in prison.

    So, SCOTUS expands 2nd A rights while narrowing 4th A rights.

  286. 286 Cafone said at 8:43 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    A majority of the people around Philadelphia and in the northeastern US would agree with you. But a very large percentage of NFL players come from parts of the country that wouldn’t.

  287. 287 Cafone said at 9:19 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Is anyone really at all worried about losing Huff as a kick returner? I realize his numbers make him look like the best in the NFL, but I think the return team deserves a lot of credit for his success.

    After all, Smallwood has three kickoff returns with 1 TD and an average of 46 yards. That’s obviously a small sample size, but I think we all agree that the special teams under Fipp are pretty damn good and Huff owes much of his success to the guys blocking for him.

  288. 288 GermanEagle said at 9:21 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    Missing him as a gunner on punt coverage probably will hurt more.

  289. 289 Corry said at 9:47 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I’m not as worried about Josh Huff the player as I am about Josh Huff the young man who did something incredibly stupid and may have lost his entire support system and how he makes his living.

  290. 290 Insomniac said at 10:10 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    I might be biased but I think Barner and Smallwood could also get those big kickoff returns with the way our ST unit has been blocking.

  291. 291 Cafone said at 9:41 PM on November 3rd, 2016:

    The end result of this will cost New Jersey a bunch on money for prosecution/imprisonment, as well the lost tax revenue on a 3rd round pick’s salary. Is it worth that amount of money to keep our children safe from Josh Huff? Or might there be a way to spend that money more effectively? I think there might be.

    It seems like the US has a punishment fetish that overrides rational analysis of the actual costs and benefits of our prison culture.