A Giant Win

Posted: December 23rd, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 126 Comments »

How can something be ugly and beautiful at the same time? That’s the way I felt after watching the Eagles 24-19 win over the Giants. The Eagles were great early, going up 21-6. They had to hang on for dear life to win the game.

It was beautiful to see the guys finally break through and win a close game. The Eagles made just enough plays to keep the Giants at arm’s length. They let the G-men get close, closer and really friggin’ close, but never gave up the lead. They kept the pressure on the Giants all night long.

The game was ugly because the Eagles couldn’t make the plays to put the Giants away. The Giants were 10 for 22 on 3rd downs. They kept sustaining drives. But the Giants were also just 1 for 5 in the Red Zone. Those drives ended in a lot of FGs. Ultimately, that proved to be the major difference in the game.

Eli Manning threw 68 passes and wasn’t sacked once. That might look bad on the stat sheet, but anyone who watched the game saw Eagles rushers getting pressure on Eli over and over and over. Brandon Graham should have to pay them rent for the amount of time he spent in the backfield. I thought Beau Allen had a really nice game off the bench. He was disruptive.

The star of the game is Malcolm Jenkins. He picked off 2 passes and covered well all night long. He had 5 solo tackles, broke up another pass and was a regular pain in the butt for Eli and the Giants offense. Terrence Brooks sealed the win with a late INT. That’s 3 INTs for the Eagles Safeties, once of which Jenkins returned for a score.

The defense gave up yards, but stiffened when they had to. They were clutch. The starting CBs combined to break up 4 passes, including some key ones. This is the kind of performance Jim Schwartz has wanted for a while.

The Eagles offense was effective, but won’t win many style points. RT Lane Johnson played well in his return and helped the offense get off to a fast start. Carson Wentz hit…Nelson Agholor…for a 40-yard TD to get the lead to 21-6. I didn’t see that coming.

Wentz was up and down, but made just enough plays for his team to win. He got hit really hard in the 2nd half and had to leave the game for a bit to be checked for a concussion. Wentz returned to the game and actually threw a good block on an end around by Agholor. The play gained 5 yards, but you know teammates loved seeing their leader putting it all on the line.

Doug Pederson had another game where he made aggressive calls. He went for a TD on 4th and goal, but that play was stuffed. Late in the game, the Eagles were all set to run on 3rd/5 so the Giants would have to burn their final timeout. Pederson gave Wentz the option to switch to a pass play if he got the right look.

The Giants put single coverage on Jordan Matthews so Wentz tried to hit him down the left sideline. The Giants DB pinned Matthews inner arm so he could only get one hand on the ball and he wasn’t able to make the grab.

You can disagree with the call, but give Doug credit for sticking to his guns. He has been aggressive all year. The players don’t see his calls as panic or gambling. They know Pederson wants to be aggressive, as he has all year. That makes the plays feel less desperate and more daring. That may not sound like a big deal, but psyche is important when trying to make plays at crucial moments.

This win didn’t mean anything in the standings (for the Eagles, I mean), but it was great to see the Eagles break their losing streak. They can now go into Christmas with a smile on their face, feeling good after a game for the first time in a while.

Ugly but beautiful.


126 Comments on “A Giant Win”

  1. 1 A_T_G said at 6:40 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Oh good. We were a little worried about you last night with no game threads.

  2. 2 SteveH said at 3:18 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    The Dairy Queen doesn’t run itself, as Tommy has mentioned many times. With great power comes great responsibility.

  3. 3 dan quisenberry said at 6:52 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Nice to have LJ back.

  4. 4 Ark87 said at 8:56 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    might just be his super fresh legs and heaping dose of pissed off, but he was mauling people, great to see.

  5. 5 Dave said at 8:58 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    The first play of the game where he blocked 2 defenders was not something the backups are capable of doing.

  6. 6 dan quisenberry said at 10:02 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Yeah he’s been waiting 10 weeks to maul somebody

  7. 7 Fufina said at 8:12 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Was a fun game – if a little stressful in the 4th quarter. I love Doug being aggressive and if i am a huge fan of pretty much always going for it on 4th-1, but up 16-21 with backup QB in the game i think you take the points there to make it a 8 point game.

    Wentz was impressive with his legs and play making in the pocket under pressure which is really exciting even if he struggled a little throwing the ball (which i forgive against a good defence as a rookie with this set of WR’s).

  8. 8 bdbd20 said at 8:47 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    This is the year to be aggressive. Nothing to play for.

    When we’re in playoff contention, I think he actually takes the 3 on that 4th down.

  9. 9 Greg said at 1:10 AM on December 25th, 2016:

    I really appreciate his aggressiveness. This league is getting harder to watch each year with the predictable conservative play calling, terribly inconsistent officiating, and Roger Goodell. In a subtle way he is molding a tough aggressive team and Wentz is the perfect qb for it.

  10. 10 Chiptomylou said at 8:52 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Encouraging game. Even though we helped Dallas clinch HFA (Merry
    Christmas) they battled and held off the Giants. The team is going to
    be good. Most of their losses (and I am not trying to make excuses) were very close and a few self inflicted.
    They need to clean up mistakes and learn to be discipline but this young
    team is getting great experience. Wentz should take a big jump next
    year. Get us a CB that can cover and some much needed skill position
    help Howie and the sky is the limit.

  11. 11 P_P_K said at 9:56 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I had been thinking the team’s highest need was a CB. After watching Eli playing catch with his receivers while Carson had no one to throw to, I’m more interested in a stud WR.

  12. 12 Chiptomylou said at 11:05 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    It’s very close. Top priority in FA/Draft should be CB/WR

  13. 13 P_P_K said at 12:36 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I agree completely. Both are of the highest priority. I’m just hoping our young qb can get someone he can throw the ball to.

  14. 14 Mitchell said at 8:53 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Dug has 4 maybe 5 times the balls Chip did while here.

  15. 15 Dude said at 10:11 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Ol’ Dougie Ten Balls

  16. 16 Blackfoot said at 11:56 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    year 1 chip went on fourth more.
    we’ll see if doug keeps it up, but I like it so far for sure.

  17. 17 Jamie Parker said at 5:21 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Chip was 7/14 in ’13, 7/11 in ’14, and 8/16 in ’15.
    DP is 13/26 this year.
    Year 1 Chip did not go on 4th more.

  18. 18 ChoTime said at 1:07 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    We’ll see if he can keep it up when he gets heaps of irrational flack every time a fourth down play goes wrong.


  19. 19 Dave said at 8:57 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Stop me if you heard this before. Ags played 96% of the snaps had 2 catches on 5 targets. The 40 yard TD was dropped into his arms at the 3 yard line for an easy score. He also had 1 horrible drop that helped stall a drive.

    Trey Burton had 1 catch on 1 target and played 29% of the snaps.

    And then there’s this…


  20. 20 bdbd20 said at 9:09 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    This is why we need WR’s in free agency vs the draft. We need guys who know how to play. Our current group is capable, but they do need some leadership there. Getting Jeffrey or DJax would allow the young guys to watch and learn from a professional.

  21. 21 Fufina said at 9:32 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    yeah love how it was a poor throw by wentz on the 1st inteception… but really what needed to happen was the WR needed to come back to the ball and make a catch, could have easily positioned in a way to make the pick impossible and basically force either a reception or a PI if he goes up and high points us.

    Pretty sure we need a new vet WR coach with the team who has a record of developing young WR’s since we have so many basic failings like this every game.

  22. 22 Dave said at 9:37 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    That was Bryce Treggs one and only play of the game.

  23. 23 Bert's Bells said at 10:50 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Do these guys not run scramble drills in practice? Todd Pinkston would have been in better position.

    At least he worked the sideline. That’s an improvement over all Eagles running to the post when Wentz breaks the pocket.

  24. 24 ChoTime said at 1:06 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I think they just lack athleticism and agility. They do okay when everything is going well, but aren’t improvisors.

  25. 25 A_T_G said at 1:19 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    In response to the assertions in your comment:
    agree, disagree, agree.

  26. 26 ChoTime said at 3:44 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    heh 🙂 Looked okay when we were blowing out the Steelers and whatnot.

  27. 27 xeynon said at 9:50 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Watching OBJ carve us up was a reminder how much weapons matter – I think he’s at least twice as good as our best receiver. Shepard might be better than anyone we have also. WR has to be a priority this offseason.

  28. 28 Tom33 said at 9:57 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    “might be better” is an understatement. Shepard is 2x better than anybody on the Eagles roster and Odell is just ridiculous. To be fair – he’s one of the top 5 receivers in the league, so there aren’t too many that are in his class.

    Giants 3 WR’s had something like 26 catches on 44 targets for almost 300 yards. The Eagles 3 had 5 catches on 13 targets for 66 yards, including 1 for 40.

  29. 29 Blackfoot said at 11:55 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    man the eagles receives have one stat that beats the giants last night, scoreboard!

  30. 30 Dave said at 12:11 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    “Odell is just ridiculous.”

    His pregame warmups are over the top. I don’t know if there has ever been a receiver with better hands than his.

  31. 31 daveH said at 12:24 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    They had at least 3 drops .. Means Ags is close

  32. 32 D3FB said at 2:10 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Old ass Victor Cruz would be our best WR too

  33. 33 Cafone said at 1:44 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    At this point, I think Rueben Randle would be our best WR.

  34. 34 P_P_K said at 9:54 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Since the Eagles beat the team that beat the #1 NFC seed, don’t they get a prize, or something?

  35. 35 GermanEagle said at 10:43 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    How about beating the #1 seed by ourselves next week?!

  36. 36 P_P_K said at 12:35 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    We’ll mostly see their backups. I’m guessing the starters might play a quarter or two. Of course, this means we’ll get to play against Romo.

  37. 37 Cafone said at 1:42 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    If they play Romo it’s going to be hard not to root for him in the hope for a QB controversy meltdown.

  38. 38 P_P_K said at 1:58 PM on December 24th, 2016:

    Let’s knock Dak out so he can’t play post-season. Romo will choke in Jan, as usual, and all will be well.

  39. 39 ChoTime said at 1:04 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Yeah, a no-prize. Also known as the “yay, you didn’t get swept by the whole NFC East prize.”

  40. 40 P_P_K said at 1:33 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I guess the 1-4 boobie prize.

  41. 41 A_T_G said at 2:14 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    One to four? I would be happy with a nice pair.

  42. 42 P_P_K said at 2:28 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    1-4 is a great hand in high-low.

  43. 43 Cafone said at 1:41 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Yes, they get the last place schedule next year.

  44. 44 Ray888 said at 10:09 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    The 2 things from JJ’s defense – bend don’t break and don’t be predictable. Make the opponent march down the field slowly; there’s a good chance they’ll make a mistake at some point. Don’t be so predictable that the opposing OC can have his team prepare and practice against a defense all week knowing that that is what he’ll see from Eagles on game day. Schwartz did both against Giants. In the future, REPEAT!

  45. 45 Rob Jarratt said at 10:43 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Really great insight, Ray. I remember sometimes getting frustrated with JJ’s defense, but, as you point out, the slow progressing march downfield often yielded back-breaking mistakes by the offense. Whether it was holding or offsides penalties, or a critical turnover forced by an aggressive defense, the bend don’t break approach worked. One thing, however, is that the offense has to do its part for the whole to work. Yes, of course, CB has to be one priority, but offensive weaponry has to be a slightly higher priority, IMHO.

    Unless they see an absolute stud receiver coming open, as it were, in the middle of the first round, they need to go after one in free agency. Actually, they should use both methodologies, because the wide receiver core needs a total makeover.

  46. 46 Bert's Bells said at 10:54 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    It’s also a great way to play a QB like Eli or Favre (JJ era Eagles rival). Those guys are always looking for a big play and will make mistakes the more they have to dink and dunk.

  47. 47 ChoTime said at 1:03 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Yes, but don’t forget that you need to be able to take care of business in the RZ with that strategy.

  48. 48 D3FB said at 2:09 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    1 TD to 3 FG. Worked on the night.

  49. 49 ChoTime said at 3:43 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Sure. I just remember we had a nasty stretch of having the worst red zone D–I mean, for years.

  50. 50 Media Mike said at 7:53 AM on December 24th, 2016:




  51. 51 D3FB said at 3:44 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    The biggest common factor in us winning seems to be when we get opposing offenses to feed their star WR’s to the detriment of balance.

  52. 52 Julescat said at 11:04 AM on December 23rd, 2016:

    wins over NFCE rivals are always sweeter

  53. 53 Dave said at 12:08 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    You’d think he’d have some technical perks working for ESPN, like access to digital footage of the game. Tim McManus going old school using his phone to record the TV.

    As usual, he’s right on though. Lane and Seumalo could be pretty good on the left side of the line in the future.


  54. 54 Nick C said at 12:21 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Barbre has been pretty good. I’d like to address LG in Free Agency/draft and try Seumalo at Center. I’ve heard many think he can be a top 10 Center. Obviously we have so many needs, but it is what I would like to see.

  55. 55 Dave said at 12:28 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Barbre will be 33 and is injury prone.

    I think Seumalo leaves the team in a very interesting situation come draft time. If the team believes he can be the long-term answer at left guard, they have the ability to draft a center. If they think he can play center and a guard is available, they can go that route too.

  56. 56 D3FB said at 2:08 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Barbre costs nothing and wiill be back as a veteran “6th man” who can play all across the line and gives you a reasonable competition for the kids to beat out for a starting job in camp.

  57. 57 Dave said at 2:48 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    $2M for a spot starter/backup is good value for him.

  58. 58 Cafone said at 1:40 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Or go the Seumalo route and draft a guard/center.

  59. 59 Patrick said at 12:33 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Considering Ertz couldn’t block when he got here, he did a pretty good job of blocking Landon Collins on the play. Should have finished better, but did a good job for a TE labeled as unable to block.

  60. 60 Dave said at 12:09 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Ryan Mathews done for the season. Herniated disk in his neck.

  61. 61 ChoTime said at 1:02 PM on December 23rd, 2016:


  62. 62 daveH said at 2:45 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Done career.vwho needs an 8 game RB that will fumble 1 game away

  63. 63 morenthemiddle said at 4:52 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I had 3 of them in my neck, they fixed 2. i hope for his sake he retires.

  64. 64 daveH said at 12:21 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Id like to propose a double lateral thats designed to go to Ags and has Wentz as lead blocker … what do you all think ?
    Yeah great idea we love it

  65. 65 Crus57 said at 12:23 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    given the timing of that call, with Wentz just back from concussion checks, I think this one came under the Reid school of “it’s so stupid nobody will expect it”

  66. 66 daveH said at 12:30 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Im thinkng the eagles coaches:
    1 drew thew it up ?
    2 who proposed it in a meeting ??
    3 who agreed?? ?
    4 who practiced it ????
    …and then they actually said “yeah that’s the play now! Let’s run that one”

  67. 67 FairOaks said at 9:23 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    It’s possible it was drawn up without Wentz as a blocker… but maybe 1-2 defenders were not as fooled as the design hoped, Wentz saw it, and decided to make the block. One can hope anyways.

  68. 68 Jamie Parker said at 5:34 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Usually our trick plays end in disaster, but on this night the football gods let us get away with one.

  69. 69 scratcherk said at 1:00 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    So just in case there was any doubt before, we really need a rb this off-season now

  70. 70 ChoTime said at 1:02 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    And CB. And WR. And DT.

  71. 71 A_T_G said at 1:12 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    But not all the same person. That would be an awkward fit.

  72. 72 ChoTime said at 3:41 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    A DT/CB would be the coolest thing ever.

  73. 73 D3FB said at 3:42 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Schwartz has dropped both Cox and Allen in coverage this season…. Market inefficiency?

  74. 74 ChoTime said at 3:46 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    DT/CBs have to play bump and run, and the only way it works is if every bump is a pancake.

  75. 75 D3FB said at 3:48 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Is it holding if Cox just picks up Dez Bryant Dirty Dancing style and doesn’t let him down?

  76. 76 ChoTime said at 3:50 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Like this?

  77. 77 Mac said at 4:35 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    It wouldn’t be the first time a CB danced with Dez Bryant on the way to the end zone… (DRC)

  78. 78 Media Mike said at 7:51 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    It isn’t holding when all of these clowns are grabbing Cox on every pass rush, so why would it be holding if Cox “jammed” the WR with your dancing moves within 5 yards?

  79. 79 Fufina said at 1:46 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Not seeing the DT need unless they let Logan walk.

    CBx2, WRx2 (1 at least must be a vet), RB and draft a DE somewhere with upside.

    My off season is pretty simple – sign a vet WR, resign Bennie and a few other cheap depth guys, draft a 2x CB’s in the 1st 4 rounds with at least 1 in the top 2. get a WR/DE/RB at some point in the draft.

  80. 80 ChoTime said at 3:42 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Yeah, I said that assuming Bennie was gone.

  81. 81 Tumtum said at 6:31 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    You would be happy paying Bennie top 10 DT money?

  82. 82 Cafone said at 1:37 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    I don’t think I would be. As much as I’d love to keep him, I don’t think he’s good enough to make him one of the top paid players on the team. At least I don’t think there’s a $10 million difference between him and Beau Allen.

    If Howie can swing it, great. But if they decide to focus their assets in other areas I would understand.

  83. 83 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:23 PM on December 24th, 2016:

    We need everything dude with the exception of maybe Guard and TE.
    If we are going to pay Logan and Cox, we will need quality backups on rookie contracts For the next 4 or 5 years. ideally one of those young backups will grow into eventual starters during their second contract.
    You can never have enough edge rushers.
    We could use an rookie upgrade at LB allowing us to ditch Kendricks and his contract
    We need a #1 corner
    We could use a #3 safety THATS better than Watkins
    Need veteran Starting caliber stop gap WR
    Could use another Offensive tackle we can start to develope
    Need a runningback
    After next year we will probably have to start thinking about replacing Celek
    Need to decide if we see Seumalo as the Longterm starting Guard opposite of Brooks, or if he will eventually replace Kelce at Center? If we see him at Guard, we need to start looking for young center to develope. If we see him eventually replacing Kelce than we need another young Guard to develope
    This will take at least two more quality Offseasons and further developing our current young talent. Trade for or sigń a veteran WR and Draft a RB and use the rest of our picks to address more Important positions like OL, DL, CB, one more impact LB would be nice. Figure if our young Weapons continue to improve, we can upgrade two offensive weapons this offseason, then upgrade two more weapons the following offseason and it should be enough firepower for Wemtz to work with

  84. 84 Mac said at 1:35 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I’d be willing to allocate a 4th round pick.

  85. 85 Anders said at 4:31 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Dalvin Cook in the 1st round

  86. 86 unhinged said at 1:12 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    So Jeff Fisher says he wants to play the Rams. Think Jed York is up for giving him two shots every season?

  87. 87 A_T_G said at 1:13 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Well sure, anyone can beat the Rams. The coach ran that team into the ground.

  88. 88 Dave said at 1:31 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Don’t forget the GM that traded for Nick Foles and gave him a big contract.

  89. 89 Insomniac said at 3:15 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I hope Mathews retires after this season. He has had so many injuries. Going to put a link here since the injury list is pretty long.


  90. 90 Aaron said at 3:53 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    so mathew is hurt again?

  91. 91 Ryan Rambo said at 8:43 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Yessir. Herniated Disk.

  92. 92 Anders said at 4:30 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    For his own sake I hope as well. Must suck to have your body break down like that

  93. 93 unhinged said at 8:40 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    That is depressing.

  94. 94 Media Mike said at 7:50 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    How does Mathews retiring result in us getting a late round pick for him in a trade?

  95. 95 ChoTime said at 3:55 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    I’ll admit that the Eagles’ defense probably broke a lot of analytical models—like our friends at FootballOutsiders.com—with its hot start against some good teams because it’s not really a borderline top-10 unit at this point. And Doug Pederson also got off to a great coaching start with the way he set things up for rookie Carson Wentz, but both of them have tailed off. Still, Philly has a decent situation overall with a solid offensive line.
    QBR ranking: 27. MV-QB ranking: 31. The excuse-making out of Philadelphia doesn’t measure up: Wentz simply needs to play better.”


  96. 96 daveH said at 5:38 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Is Josey out there anywhere?

  97. 97 GermanEagle said at 7:15 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Imagine if Wentz had real WRs to throw to…

  98. 98 anon said at 8:49 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    You think his stat lines are the wrs fault? His accuracy isn’t a problem? We coaching and route combos not a problem?

  99. 99 Julescat said at 8:56 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    having a receiver who comes back for a pass and fights for possession while the QB is running for his life would be new

  100. 100 Media Mike said at 7:49 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Like Anquan Boldin, who many of us championed this offseason?

  101. 101 Tumtum said at 9:22 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Think we can all agree there is room for improvement in both areas.

  102. 102 Mitchell said at 10:32 PM on December 23rd, 2016:

    Yes, a lot of it is the WRs fault. They are not good. There is room for improvement on both areas. But the original comment was, “can you imagine if he had real WRs tp throw to?” i would imagine his stats would be much better.

  103. 103 Sean Stott said at 4:14 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    His WRs are – without exaggeration – historically terrible.

  104. 104 A_T_G said at 7:25 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    I would label this as a strawman argument, but even a strawman would make for a better WR than some of the guys out there.

  105. 105 Media Mike said at 7:49 AM on December 24th, 2016:


  106. 106 ChoTime said at 11:38 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Wentz is getting a lot of excuses made for him. Obviously he is not in a good situation, but his overall performance has been poor with flashes of awesome.

  107. 107 GermanEagle said at 1:14 PM on December 26th, 2016:

    He’s a rookie, while people still will make excuses for Sammy in 2053.

  108. 108 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:04 PM on December 24th, 2016:

    Im still not sure if our WRs are flat out BAD, or if they are just yoûng?
    Most seem to think that we already know Nelson Agholar is a bust, but I don’t know that at all. at this point all I know is that he was clearly drafted into a big role sooner than he was ready to handle it. But that doesn’t Neccessarily mean that the kid will be a bust, Not Every Great NFL WR was ready to beast the league in their first two seasons. So many WRs got off to a slow start the first few years and eventually grew into some really Nice Pro’s.
    This is EXACTLY WHY ITS SO DANGEROUS TO DO WHAT CHIP DID, getting rid of quality starting veterans in March, assuming he would be able to instantly replace them with draft picks who can handle a starting role day 1. it’s hard enough to draft a kid who will eventually grow into a big time starter, it’s kind of crazy to further complicate things by trying to draft a kid who can be your #1 WR from day 1.
    It’s not easy for me to defend Agholar like this when he infuriates me constantly but it’s a mistake to not look at the legit factors that he has to overcome in order to become successful:
    1) second year player going from a simple chips kelly college offense with a pamphlet sized playbook, to the complicated encyclopedia sized west coast offense playbook while also dealing with a new coaches and the changes that come with it
    2) second year player who is already on his second starting QB Who happens To be a rookie, I’ll be THRILLED just to finally know that we have yoûng WRs who will actually get to build some chemistry with the same QB going forward, hopefully under the same coaches that can bring stability and allow these kids to have years of continuity growing in the same schemes, I don’t care what people think about Doug Pederson. When you land a young Stud like Wentz the most important thing for his development is stability and the continuity that comes with it, Rams already Fucked up Goffs develoment with their instability head coach
    This is why every offseason I believe in “Free Agency is for Next Season, and the draft is for your future. the best possible way to go about building your roster is to have quality starters in place, draft yoûng Talent at that position and let them start their careers as backups and do NOT GET RID OF YOUR STARTERS until the kids you draft improve so much that you can no longer justify keeping them on the bench which was the opposiite of what Chip did, getting rid of Desean and drafting Jordan thrusting him into a big role immediately, and then chip did it again letting Maclin walk and Drafting Agholar thrusting him into a day 1 starting role…. I KNOW that was TOO Much, TOO SOON for Nelson coming out of school, but that doesn’t neccessarily mean that we already know Nelson is a bust who will never realize his full potential.. Even if he had stability and continuity in place, yeàr 2 is still early in his career and there were so many great WRs that needed more than two seasons before they were able to become the great players they were drafted to be
    Friggin Jordan Mathews is on his 3rd QB in 3 years, his second offense, his second coaching staff. This wasn’t an ideal situation to Develope our young talent, but considering how much more complicated The west coast offense is compated to chips, this coaching staff seemed to do a pretty solid job managing and developing this years rookies and getting the kids some real NFL game reps
    Take a kid like DGB, known for being an athletic freak with a really high ceiling but Who was still a raw talent that needed to be molded. Really hard to judge his second season when he was traded here at the start of the season, needing to learn a west coast offense on the fly while also trying to build some chemistry with the rookie QB. That’s not fair to DGB at all. Im very much interested in seeing how much more that kid can Develope as he continuities to build chemistry with Wentz. As he gets more and more comfortable in this west coast offense as well as sharpening his route running and learning the tricks of his trade that come with NFL Experience
    We have Talented young WRs who still have some untapped potential and a higher ceiling for then to grow into. That doesn’t GUARENTEE that they will realze their full potential, but I think we are guilty of judging these kids as if they are finished products when in reality we still haven’t seen the pro’s they will grow into yet.. Assuming they have the proper work ethic, I can Guarentee Jordan, Nelson and DGB will Improve…. Will they improve enough to form a legit, potent high level starting WR tandem? That is the million dollar question, but I think it’s a mistake to write off talented youngins like Jordan, Nelson, and Dorial especially if their work ethic is where we need it to be
    Clearly Nelson was drafted into a situation that asked too much of him too soon but that doesnt neccessarily mean that he will never live up to his potential. It’s up To Nelson, but if he keeps working hard on his craft, the physical and mental side of the game all the game Experience he was given early in his career can eventually pay off for us. Hopefully allowing Nelson to play thru his mistakes and get so much game experince early in his career will not have been in vain. but that’s up to Nelson to keep working, and eventually perserver tnru his struggles. we have seen some young players like Brandon Graham struggle early in his career. We put that kid thru hell, but he kept working, preserved thru it and came out stronger on the other side eventually becoming a fan favorite in philly.
    I define a successful draft pick as a kid who before his rookie contract expires proves that he deserves to be extended and remain an eagle Long Term., that is a much more realistic way of judging a teams draft pick, but unfortunately too many people forget this and can’t help themselves from judging draft picks based off of “How much instant gratification they provide us”… Nelson fails miserably in the silly instant gratification criteria, but he still has some time to prove that he can develope into a pro who we earns a starting role on this team Longterm past his rookie contract
    Because we have so much yoûng talent that is still developing at the WR position, I’d rather Not invest more draft picks in rookie WRs in this years draft. I think we are better off trading for a stop gap veteran like Brandon Marshall, or sigń a veteran free agent To a deal we can get out of after two seasons, A starting Calber Veteran WR would give the developing Wentz a target that can make his life easier, the veteran WR can set a real example For our yoûng WRs aiding in their development while also taking some pressure off the young WR’s on the field. veteran WR gives us an immediate upgrade at the position, and most importantly it would buy us another year or two to really find out exactly what we have in Jordan, Nelson and DGB. two years from now we will know if these young Wideouts deserve extensions and can be our Wentz Era WR’s in which case we can extend them and then start adding some youth at the WR position that can slowly develope behind our starters, or we will learn that they haven’t grown enough to deserve extensions in which case we will have to look to free agency to get Wents his WRs because he will be going into his 4th year
    Think it’s a mistake for people to think we already know that Agholar is a bust. All we really know is that he was thrust into a bigger role, sooner than he was ready to handle it…. But that doesn’t neccessarily make him a bust. This wilL be an important offseason in the development of DGB and Agholar. Hopefully they surprise us…

  109. 109 Media Mike said at 8:04 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Late to the party, but need to lay out a few things.

    1 – LOVE LOVE LOVE beating the Giants.

    2- STOP STOP STOP playing Jenkins in slot. He isn’t good at it and his 2nd INT showed why he needs to be at safety. And if you must play Jenkins in slot, NO MORE WATKINS! Eli’s slow and rainbow sideline passes really shouldn’t be completed against a safety with a clue.

    3 – Given the general level of flux on the o-line, I can’t see moving on from Kelce and Peters until March of 2018. Peters is still playing at a pro bowl level, and we don’t have enough depth I trust to move up and play next year with Kelce gone. Figure; Peters, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, and Lane as the starters. Barbre, Big V, and Dillon Gordon in the backup mix. Hopefully round out the group with a draft pick or two.

    4 – I can’t find any obvious cap casualties other than Barwin (should have moved him last past off-season), and Mathews. That’s going to make keeping Logan tough.

    5 – Operation “give the Browns a worse pick than we get” is in full effect. We beat Dallas. Vikings lose twice. We’re both 7-9 and the Vikings should be picking ahead of us due to our head to head win.

  110. 110 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 8:09 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Agree 100 with point 2. Been saying this all year.

    Im not sure Logan comes back. A lot of money to spend on DT.

    Im really over the Browns having our first rounder. We have our Qb and a 1st. We still won one that trade. Hopefully the Vikes land us a top 15 pick. And we should be picking close to the top in every other round.

  111. 111 Media Mike said at 8:09 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    But getting Wentz AND moving up a few spots would be additional abuse to heap upon Cleveland.

  112. 112 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 8:24 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Who cares what happens to them? They dont matter

  113. 113 Media Mike said at 8:26 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    I do by default; I wan’t the better pick. And their attempt to use a contract writer and some baseball ruining analytics guy as their front office heads is nauseating. So a double pox upon their house!

  114. 114 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:04 PM on December 24th, 2016:

    Does it really matter when odds are that we still end up with a better player than the Browns even if they pick 20 spots ahead of us.

    That franchise has been picking in the top 10 since I was born and they still have a roster struggling to win a single game. All those top 10 picks and they have like two pro bowl playërs to show for it
    I like our chances of getting a better player in round 3 than what the Browns will get out of their top 10 pick.
    A good draft pick from the eagles probably won’t be enough to save them from the Incompetant Embarressment of trading away Wentz. That trade will be hauntng them for a long time

  115. 115 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:56 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Im hoping Logan being more of a run stuffer than a pass rusher helps keep his price down a bit.
    What did we do with the money we freed up trading away Bradford? Can’t we just take Bradfords money and allocate it to helping extend Logan? We traded SAM right before the season and haven’t made any big signings since so don’t we still have most of Bradfords money we can use to try and keep Logan?
    Ryan Mathews
    Leodis McKelvin
    That’s 5 playërs money that could come off the books as well as possibly restructuring or releasing Barwin
    HOWIE is a Cap wizard, I don’t HOWIE allowing too many good players that we drafted to go play for someone else.. Can’t recall too many good players we drafted that we weren’t able to retain when their rookie contract expired since HOWIE has been in charge
    We have a like a 7 win roster with the QB on a rookie contract, sounds crazy to me to worry about losing a player of Logans caliber. I don’t see so much talent on this roster that we may have to sacarfice logan

  116. 116 D3FB said at 9:06 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Did you just say something nice about Kelce?

    What’s next Media Mike leads the campaign for Kenjon Barner to the Pro Bowl?

  117. 117 Media Mike said at 10:45 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Stay of roster execution by one year. And I’m using your analysis of his cap savings for a 2017 cut not being equal to or greater than the cost of his replacement.

    Now if we draft your boy from LSU to come in and start at center in round 2 or 3…………….

  118. 118 D3FB said at 5:54 PM on December 24th, 2016:

    If we come away from the draft with one guy, please let it be Isaac Asiata.

    Asiata-Seumalo-Brooks is one hell of a nasty and beefy interior three

  119. 119 xmbk said at 9:14 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Agree on Jenkins. Great versatility, but getting someone comparable to him in the slot should be easier. The drop off at safety has hurt all year.

  120. 120 A_T_G said at 9:40 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Good list. Number 5 is petty, silly and doesn’t really make a difference in the end, but I still completely support it.

    Ironically, I believe I made that same exact comment 10 years ago about a QB.

  121. 121 Dave said at 10:32 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    I agree that Mathews will be cut. Barwin may be asked to stay at a reduced salary.

    Howie has to find a way to trade Kendricks. It doesn’t make sense to pay $5M a year for a guy who plays 30% of the defensive snaps.

    Ron Brooks has average 6 missed games per year in his career. On top of that, he’s not very good. I’d cut him and save the $1.5M in cap space. I’d also cut McKelvin and save another $2M.

    Although I know it’s not going to happen, I’d cut Kelce and replace him with a draft pick or Seumalo.

    That would put us around $20 to $21M below the cap for next year.

    I also would not resign Bennie as I would rather invest it resigning Jordan Mathews to an extension.

  122. 122 unhinged said at 10:43 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    The thing about Logan is troubling. HR has shown negotiating finesse that I don’t think he learned from Joe Banner. If he lets Bennie know that he loves him, lets him dip his toes in FA waters, and makes a good faith effort to approach the best $$$ that will be promised, Logan might stick. Eagles will almost certainly be outbid, but Howie could contrive a fat bonus, front weighted, franchise friendly deal that might give Logan a big enough reason to stay home. Failing that, DT becomes another front-burner need.

  123. 123 D3FB said at 5:58 PM on December 24th, 2016:

    The toughest part about keeping Logan is basically the entire league could use him. He can play 0, 1, 3, or 4 tech.

  124. 124 unhinged said at 8:19 PM on December 24th, 2016:

    Yeah, and everybody knows that. Every offer probably won’t come from a strong defense with a pedigreed DC like JS, so here’s hoping that Bennie is happy here and needs an excuse not to leave. Jeff Lurie has really tried to follow up the Chip Kelly soap opera with player-friendly coaching staff, and this may be a grade on his efforts. I would bet that JS is voting emphatically to re-sign, and he can probably offer ways to accomplish that, like cutting Barwin, dangling Kendricks to see if there’s any interest there.

  125. 125 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:49 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    I didnt look at his contract status but I can’t Imagine Kendricks being on this team next year especially if Schwartz is back which I expect to be the case. Tulloch will be gone, Ryan Mathews career could be in Jeopordy with his injury. Wisnewski will be gone with Seumalo replacing his versatility
    Assuming Kelce and JP will be back starting for this team again next year. Vaitai and Seumalo showed some promise. Hit on another OL in the draft and we could have some nice depth on next years OL.
    The main reason 2012 (Andys last season) was a disaster is because of all the OL injuries that year. The following year 2013 we had our 5 starting Lineman Healthy all year and we were the top rushiñg team and chip enjoyed his most successfull season… This year the injury Bug ravaged our OL again, hopefully it will follow by a season Of great OL health next year. When you don’t have great weapons on Offense you really need your OL to have a big year, but when you OL is decimated by injuries and your weapons ARENT that good to begin with, you get a down year like this… Kind of amazing that we could end up winning 7 games with a rookie QB playing behind an OL that has been playing musical chairs all year with a first year HC especially when you look around and see teams like the Jets with only 4 wins.
    Best case scenario if we enjoyed good health this year we could sneak in the playoffs winning a bad division. That plan went out the window when the Giants and Cowboys (the teams I thought would be the worst two teams in the division lol) managed to get double digit wins.
    We have a lot of work to do on this roster. People talk about positions we need to address, but when I look at the big picture Of trying to build this new era eagle teams there aren’t many positions I look at the depth chart and think that we couldn’t use more talent at. We can contend for the division with a good pffseason followed by a season of decent health, but realistically we are more than one good offseasons away from having a roster that allows us to be a contender over a stretch of 3-5 years…

  126. 126 Gian GEAGLE said at 11:32 AM on December 24th, 2016:

    Thought Schwartz game plan was great. He basically killed Eli with Patience giving him a bunch of easy underneath stuff, knowing that eventually Eli’s aggressiveness would cause him to fall into our trap, and jenkins and Brooks made him pay for it.
    Interesting that at the end Jenkns said they had Mills Shadow ODB wherever he went with help on the backend.
    Losing Ron Brooks in the slot was a bigger loss than we thought.
    Nolan Carroll played a good game
    Leodis is pretty good at letting WRs make underneath catches and then tackling them short of The first down, but he has been bad everywhere else especially running down feild with WRs when they aren’t catching passes underneath, giving up way too much down field.. NNamdi, Byron Maxwell, Leodis McKelvin SMH this defense would be so much better if we had the JackRabbit, Nolan. Brooks, Mills. With Jenkins and McLeod at Safety… All the money we gave bad free agent corners, sucks that we didn’t go after Janoris