Senior Bowl

Posted: January 23rd, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 98 Comments »

I am in Mobile, AL for the 2017 Senior Bowl. Last year we found this dude named Carson Wentz down here. He turned out okay. There aren’t any great looking QBs here this year, but that’s okay since the Eagles found their guy last year.

I am excited about this year’s group. The Eagles should have plenty of guys that interest them. There are some terrific CBs and good WRs down here. I’ll mention a few players I’m excited to see.

  • RB Kareem Hunt
  • OL Dan Feeney
  • DE Dawuane Smoot
  • CB Tre’Davious White
  • RB Jamaal Williams
  • CB Damontae Kazee
  • CB Cameron Sutton
  • DE Jordan Willis
  • OL Forrest Lamp
  • WR Josh Reynolds
  • DE Daeshon Hall
  • DE Tanoh Kpassagnon

Obviously I’ll be watching everyone, but these are the players that I’m most intrigued by for the Eagles.

Why not more WRs on the list? That is a position where underclassmen dominate the top of the group. There are good WRs in Mobile, but not many guys who will be Top 40 picks.

CB Tre’Davious White is the only guy on that list who is a real possibility for the Eagles 1st round pick, assuming they stay where they are. He is a gifted cover corner, with size and athleticism.

My favorite player is actually the kid from Villanova, Tanoh Kpassagnon. He reminds me of Ziggy Ansah, who I loved back in 2013. Both are tall, athletic guys that have incredible athleticism for their size.

Look at that clip. Kpassagnon is lined up in the Wide-9 technique and looks so natural doing it. He might be 6-7, but gets down low in that track stance and just explodes. I could see Jim Schwartz drooling as he watches that.

Connor Barwin is going to be cut and the Eagles will need some DE help. Kpassagnon could be an ideal talent to add to the mix. The only real question with him is value. I have him slated in the 3rd round right now, but after watching him this week that will likely change.

There are quite a few DEs I like for the Eagles in this draft class.


The snarky thing to say is “Great, now the WR position is all fixed…right?” Clearly a change of positional coaches isn’t going to fix the WR problem. But it can help. Jordan Matthews is the only player who has come close to living up to his potential, and even he can get better.

If everyone is underachieving, then coaching is part of the issue. A good coach isn’t going to turn Nelson Agholor into Jerry Rice, but he can get Agholor to improve. Same for DGB. And Bryce Treggs. And everyone else in the group.

There is no question that the Eagles need a talent infusion at WR, but they also need the current group to get better. Groh can make a difference in that way.


Hamilton is 6-2, 315. He had 14 sacks in college, so he’s good at getting up the field and making plays. We’ll see if he can challenge for a roster spot this summer.  He’s been out of college for a couple of years and has yet to play a snap so it isn’t likely he’ll suddenly explode this time around.


98 Comments on “Senior Bowl”

  1. 1 Senior Bowl - said at 5:30 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    […] Tommy Lawlor I am in Mobile, AL for the 2017 Senior Bowl. Last year we found this dude named Carson Wentz down […]

  2. 2 BobSmith77 said at 5:33 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Steelers’ fans have to feel snake bit. They have had top 5 RB (Bell), arguably the top WR (Brown), and a top 5-6 QB (Roethlisberger) the past 3 years.

    Yet the last 3 years they haven’t had all 3 healthy in the playoffs with Bell missing the ’14 playoffs, both Brown and Bell missing the ’15 playoff game vs Denver, and Bell getting hurt early yesterday.

    If Bell had stayed healthy, that would have been a competitive game yesterday. Without him, the Steelers just became one dimensional.

    I also really wonder about Big Ben and his future prognosis. Don’t see him aging well and being able play at a high level (top 10) the next 3-4 years. This year he supposedly had nagging injuries almost the entire year along with a slip in performance.

    My sense is that it is going to be the norm for him moving ahead forward with only really 1-2 good years left. Without him, the Steelers ability to have a deep playoff run disappears too. Likely their ability to consistently win in double digits too.

  3. 3 Sean Stott said at 5:59 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    That game was never going to be competitive. They got outplayed all game long, honestly.

  4. 4 BobSmith77 said at 6:12 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Disagree. It would have allowed the Steelers to likely sustain more drives, win the TOP and potentially in a big way like they did vs KC, and keep their defense fresher in the 2nd half.

    Steelers’ defense was getting some pressure in the 1st qtr but they weren’t able to generate much in the 2nd half as Brady shredded them.

  5. 5 Buge Halls said at 7:31 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    the reason they won in KC was they didn’t have to play Brady. He torched them the entire game

  6. 6 anon said at 11:46 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Yeah Pitt would have had to click on all cylinders just to keep up.

  7. 7 Ark87 said at 8:54 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Out coached. No idea what they were thinking on defense.

  8. 8 Media Mike said at 6:28 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Bell actually hurt or resting up for free agency medical exams?

  9. 9 Ark87 said at 8:52 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Big Ben hasn’t lived up to his standard this year. You arguably have the best RB and WR in the league, the O-line is fine. If Ben lived up to expectations they would be the new “greatest show”. I think the Steelers need to find a new franchise QB or a top defense in a hurry or the window of having Bell and Brown will close with nothing to show for it.

  10. 10 ChoTime said at 2:02 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    2015 rating: 94.5
    2016 rating: 95.4
    2015: 7.8 adj y/a
    2016: 7.5
    2015: 21/16 td/int
    2016: 29/13
    He threw 50 more passes this year and his comp% is exactly the same as his career average.
    TD% higher. INT% lower.
    Going by the stats, it’s very similar and he was better this year.

    Just throwing it out there.

  11. 11 Ark87 said at 8:47 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    QBR dropped just over 10 points though. And his numbers are fine in a pool of other QB’S in the league, and average for his career, but my overall point is the offense he had this year was way better than he ever had before (the Steelers were a defense first team for the vast majority of Ben’s career). I’m not saying he was bad this year, just that he should have had a historic year.

  12. 12 ChoTime said at 11:46 AM on January 25th, 2017:

    Good point, he did have some major skill position help. Eye test: he played like shit against us and missed open guys. The fact that QBR dropped but the other important stats might just say more about QBR than Ben, just saying.

  13. 13 Insomniac said at 5:34 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    A lot of guys of interest in the Senior Bowl this year, the last few Senior Bowls have been dominated by the defenses. I don’t think that the trend is changing this year.

  14. 14 Sean Stott said at 5:58 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I could be 100% wrong, but I’d guess that it’s easy to get a group of random defensive players to play well as a team vs. coordinating an offense.

  15. 15 Insomniac said at 7:11 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    True, but the offensive side has been hurting due to lack of good QBs attending the Senior Bowl.

  16. 16 anon said at 11:45 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Good players rarely make it to the seiior bowl, especially not if you play a skill position.

  17. 17 ChoTime said at 1:57 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    Vanilla = advantage D

  18. 18 Bert's Bells said at 5:35 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    If it’s pronounced “Can’t passin’ on” he should be lock for top 5 pick.

    Also, isn’t it great to feel good about Wentz and the QB position instead of trudging through another .500 season with Bradford?

  19. 19 Corry said at 6:11 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    It’s great, and I hope Wentz continues to progress. I’m hoping he works with Tom House this summer. Seems like all the greats do it and keep working with him to tweak their mechanics.

    I’m thinking the Eagles can get back to the playoffs without a great off season as long as Wentz continues to improve, but we won’t be able to make a deep playoff run until the team improves all around.

  20. 20 Stephen E. said at 10:56 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    I have to admit that Kpassagnon is going to look completely METAL on the back of a jersey. It will barely fit on there, and whenever your name starts with two consonants you’ve already punched people in the mouth just trying to pronounce it.

  21. 21 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:06 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Tanoh the next Freak!

  22. 22 BobSmith77 said at 6:19 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    It is a bit ironic that Goodell’s suspension of Brady was likely a huge benefit for him and the Pats.

    Really reduced the wear & tear on Brady and has likely allowed him to stay fresh. Getting the bye in the 1st round was just an added benefit.

    I did notice this story which didn’t get much coverage nationally or even mentioned during the broadcast.

  23. 23 Media Mike said at 6:29 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Nice find!

  24. 24 Julescat said at 7:39 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Goodell is such a bad commissioner

    the NFL needs to dump him

  25. 25 bdbd20 said at 8:46 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Actually, if his job is to work for the owners and increase franchise values, then they probably love him.

  26. 26 ChoTime said at 1:56 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    When people are bitching about Goodell,
    1. they’re still talking NFL
    2. they’re not bitching about the owners he fronts for

  27. 27 ProbablyDrunk said at 10:00 AM on January 26th, 2017:

    Ratings are going down though.

  28. 28 bdbd20 said at 10:07 AM on January 26th, 2017:

    True. I do wonder how digital consumption will be measured going forward. If overall consumption is down, there is a problem. If people are getting the product on mobile devices, it’s another story.

  29. 29 Ark87 said at 9:32 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    shit! now I want the patriots to win and Brady to be superbowl mvp…never occurred to me how much I hate Goodell

  30. 30 Stephen E. said at 11:01 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Calm down… remember, Matt Ryan is a local guy, doesn’t have a ring, and it’s only the second SB appearance for the Falcons. Destiny!

  31. 31 Media Mike said at 6:32 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Major shout out to our very own ATG for destroying Reuben Frank on Twitter today.

  32. 32 GermanEagle said at 6:51 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    What happened?!

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 6:53 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Reuben was launching another anti-Howie pogrom using Rowe and ATG called him out on some intellectual dishonestly.

  34. 34 Insomniac said at 7:12 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    What Reuben does.

    Brings up stats.
    Disregards every dynamic in football to try to justify his point.
    Argue with everyone who disagrees with him and repeat.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 7:15 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Yup. Over and over. I’d call it rinse and repeat, but in his case it’s douche and duplicate.

  36. 36 Mac said at 10:33 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Frankly, I can’t stand the guy, and unfollowed his twitter years ago.

  37. 37 D3FB said at 10:28 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Eric Rowe left the field with a lead.

  38. 38 RobNE said at 1:32 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    Eric Rowe plays to the score.

  39. 39 Insomniac said at 2:26 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    From what I heard, that might have been the best choice for the Patriots.

  40. 40 ChoTime said at 1:54 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    Not to be the contrarian asshole here, but what’s wrong with using numerical evidence to help make your case, and what’s wrong with arguing with those who disagree? Unless you mean argue=be an ass to and not: give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one’s view.

  41. 41 Insomniac said at 2:13 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    I’ll use his Rowe statistic as an example. On paper the stats looked good but when you put on the tape and then look at the whole picture, it just doesn’t really look that good. Roob completely ignores the fact that the Patriots have a talented defense and secondary. If Belichick is quite possibly the only guy that can make you somewhat viable then that speaks volumes about how good Rowe really is.

  42. 42 ChoTime said at 11:51 AM on January 25th, 2017:

    I agree that stats can at times be incredibly misleading, and that anyone playing under Belichick must be looked at with suspicion. But I don’t think we have enough data about Rowe for “volumes” of anything. We know he looked bad here, was given up on in an unusually short period of time (compare Kendricks) and looks pretty good there. This thing smacks of people “winning” drafts… too soon.

  43. 43 Insomniac said at 7:07 PM on January 25th, 2017:

    He looked bad with the Patriots too.

  44. 44 Stephen E. said at 11:07 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Um, letting Rowe go was a mistake. Having a dominating performance in a playoff game pretty much clinches it. If he’d at least managed to get a second round pick back, it would have been acceptable in retrospect.

  45. 45 Anders said at 12:54 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    Rowe wasnt dominant.

  46. 46 GermanEagle said at 2:11 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    Thanks mate. A shame I missed that.

  47. 47 A_T_G said at 8:01 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    To be fair, Roob might have been using alternate facts.

    It just bothered me that we are going to pretend the Rowe that is on NE now (who isn’t even that good) is exactly the guy who would have developed here and completely ignore that he was regressing here.

    I didn’t like seeing him go. I suspect Howie’s lame BS reasoning was a way of saying there is more going on that I am not going to share. But using Sunday as proof of what we could have is nonsense.

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 8:02 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Well done.

  49. 49 Rob Jarratt said at 9:05 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Reuben Frank is the football equivalent of Bill Collin, who also had vitriol in his system. Angry men, both. Both on constant vendettas.

  50. 50 D3FB said at 10:28 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I loved his argument that because he had a few bad plays he’s not bad.

    Apparently the inverse doesn’t hold true for him…

    Logic is hard.

  51. 51 Mac said at 10:13 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Reuben Franks are made with real bull shit. I hope you washed your hands after handling them. What method did you use for roasting your Franks, conventional oven, charcoal, propane, good old fashioned campfire, or maybe a cardboard box with aluminum foil?

  52. 52 Sean Stott said at 2:11 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    They shouldn’t call that a hot dog cooker. It’s really a hot dog warmer, and is only safe because hot dogs come pre-cooked

  53. 53 ChoTime said at 1:51 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    “Alternate facts?” Like this?

  54. 54 Media Mike said at 6:40 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Oh my God Cleveland is dumb.

    Just did 4 years / $50 on a LB who doesn’t follow the coaching staff’s calls on D and they’re about to tag Pryor.

  55. 55 GermanEagle said at 6:51 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Is that all, $12.5m/year?! Last time I checked Collins was looking for a $100m deal…

  56. 56 Media Mike said at 6:56 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Ha, that would be a waste. The guy is constantly out of position.

  57. 57 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:12 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Arent they being forced to spend money this year? But yes CLE is still dumb. That will always be true

  58. 58 Media Mike said at 7:14 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Giving every single player on the current roster a roster bonus would be a better use of their mandated spending than a penny for Pryor.

  59. 59 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:36 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I dont think paying Pryor is a huge mistake, esp when they have cap to burn

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 7:44 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I think Pryor is not at all a good player, has pumped up his stats via garbage time yards in blowout losses, and is of low character.

    I’d find other guys to pay.

  61. 61 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 7:54 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Do FAs go to CLE?

  62. 62 Media Mike said at 7:57 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    You might be able to find some mid-range guys to give a higher AAV to without the scary long term guaranteed money.

  63. 63 Stephen E. said at 11:09 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    At least Pryor can catch the ball in garbage time. Our WRs drop it in all four quarters.

  64. 64 Stephen E. said at 11:20 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    I checked out his catches on pro-football-reference, and he looks a bit weak in the third quarter but made a lot of plays in 1 and 2. He made about as many catches in the 4th and OT as in the second quarter. With a crappy team, you’re going to see more catches in the 4th because they’re playing from behind. Also, 55 of his 77 catches were for first downs or TDs. Doug Baldwin, who most people consider clutch, had 60 1Ds or TDs out of 94 catches. Pryor is better by 7% than that, although I admit playing from behind against prevent defenses is going to pump that up. But the difference is so big, even accounting for that I figure he’s in the ballpark as far as reliability.

  65. 65 anon said at 11:42 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I agree they shouldn’t pay Pryor, let the eagles do it.

  66. 66 P_P_K said at 9:29 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    You forgot the quotes. “Oh my,” said God, “Cleveland is dumb.”

  67. 67 FairOaks said at 11:14 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    They probably need to overpay to get players to come (or stay) there. That, plus they need to spend an insane amount of money to get to the salary floor, I think. I think they are currently 50+ million under the projected cap, and they have $50 million in rollover space.

  68. 68 Insomniac said at 7:08 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    14: R1P14
    43: R2P11
    74: R3P10
    117: R4P12
    138: R4P33
    156: R5P11

    mock draft simulators are silly.

  69. 69 Media Mike said at 7:11 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    What board did you use?

  70. 70 Insomniac said at 7:13 PM on January 23rd, 2017:


  71. 71 Media Mike said at 7:13 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    What an odd simulation. That’s really weird.

  72. 72 A_T_G said at 8:01 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    So, cross that name off the shopping list…

  73. 73 Fufina said at 8:08 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Well he is going to get paid even more than them – i would be shocked if he is not the most well paid WR in the NFL after free agency.

    There is $1.2billion in cap space to be spent this year… before teams have made cuts/restructures. Thats 50% more money than last year available. The contracts are going to be CRAZY.

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 8:09 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Good year to not be getting a lot of FAs then. Let the market reset without us in it.

  75. 75 Fufina said at 8:24 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Not sure it will for a couple of years, Cap is going up and teams have been front loading /rolling over huge chunks of cap, and with the amount of cap available and the limited number of free agents i doubt that will change any time soon.

    Player contracts have just not caught up to the increased salary cap – and are about 20%-25% lower as a total percentage of the cap compared to 10 years ago, so there is a lot of inflationary pressure on player contracts, both in 2017 but probably well into 2019.

    So what you don’t pay in 2017 you will have to pay 15-20% more in 2018.

  76. 76 Media Mike said at 8:32 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    What I mean is that I don’t want to pay 2nd tier guys that level of money given the “quality” of guys in the FA market. I’m not dropping top dollar in a year when there aren’t top guys.

    I expect that top dollar to be dropped when there are some top dollar guys. If somebody else wants to reset the market with Alshon; that’s on them.

  77. 77 anon said at 11:41 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Can’t forget that it’s all relative $

  78. 78 ChoTime said at 1:48 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    If you don’t pay 2nd tier guys what the market will bear, then what do you end up with? 3rd tier guys.

  79. 79 Patrick said at 9:41 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    He might look for it and he might get it, but he really shouldn’t even with his young age.

    He hasn’t put up the numbers and consistency of Julio and Dez, although put up good numbers with mediocre QB play.
    He has struggled with injuries and now a PED suspension.
    IRRC, there has been some off-field/character issues.

    It only takes one team and contracts go up with the cap, but Alshon doesn’t deserve Julio money. I still want him though.

  80. 80 ChoTime said at 1:48 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    I wonder what % of people who get the top contracts actually “deserve it” in the sense of making up that value to their team. My guess is far less than half of them.

  81. 81 Insomniac said at 8:30 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    No thanks.

  82. 82 Bert's Bells said at 10:08 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I, too, am looking for that type deal.

  83. 83 scratcherk said at 8:24 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    I know not everyone can be the patriots, but what they do with these skill players that are mid-tier is amazing. makes you wonder if its better to have players that are multiple instead of a dominant receiver.

  84. 84 bill said at 8:30 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    If he wants to go to CLE or JAX, he might be able to get it. I don’t think any of the better run teams want to pay that (even discounted against the rising cap) for a guy like him. But not every team is rational at this of the year…

  85. 85 eagleyankfan said at 8:34 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    “was” or “is”? Also — what’s/who’s the source? This time of the year teams and agents throw things against the wall to see if it’ll stick….

  86. 86 Mitchell said at 9:38 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    My biggest hesitation with TKO is who he is playing against. When I watched the second clip, I was less impressed with his athleticism and and more concerned for the LT because he looked so damn awkward coming out of the stance. Don’t get me wrong TKO looks athletic as hell and he does have some moves to back it up. The Bowl will be HUGE for him. Gives hims a chance to go up against some stiffer comp.

  87. 87 D3FB said at 10:26 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I don’t know that he can bend the edge.

  88. 88 Mitchell said at 10:36 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    He’s 6’7″ it’s not gonna be perfect. The question is, can he do it, good enough? You do see him beat a lot of people with speed alone, so he may be in for a rude awakening when tackles actually start sliding into the correct position.

  89. 89 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:45 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Can’t say I am thrilled with M. Groh…while this was a long time ago…he was a QB coach at UVA…never developed a single guy in that role…then his daddy made him the OC which finished ranked in the 100’s of CFB when his daddy were fired….he went to Alabama and did some good things there but nothing that I have heard is really an reinvention of his past…I hope he proves me wrong but am skeptical that this hire will change anything for Agholor or DGB…praying I am wrong though….

  90. 90 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:46 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    Anyone like or see any prospects in the NFLPA bowl played this past weekend?

  91. 91 D3FB said at 10:25 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    I’m a big Anthony Wales fan (although he’s a bit redunant with Barner/Smallwood).

    Andreas Knappe is a late round T I like, Interesting backstory. Potential developmental RT.

    Michael Rector is a guy who had some flashes early in his career at Stanford but really tailed off. Probably more of a mini-camp invite guy.

  92. 92 teltschikfakeout88 said at 11:21 PM on January 23rd, 2017:

    What do you think of Taquan “smoke” mizzell as a 3rd down back

  93. 93 Ankerstjernen said at 7:45 AM on January 25th, 2017:

    Andreas Knappe is a Dane. Like me. He is also the biggest human being I have ever seen. Supposedly he is a freak athlete. I hope the Eagles draft him so that I can root for him every week! (Danes have had it rough since Morten Andersen retired.)

  94. 94 Ryan Rambo said at 10:07 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Good morning BIRDGANG!! Be great!!! (FYI….link is blocked but it will take you to YouTube to view)

  95. 95 Ryan Rambo said at 11:36 AM on January 24th, 2017:

    Chiefs hired former Eagles WRs coach Greg Lewis for the same position in Kansas City.
    Lewis is replacing David Culley, who is joining the Bills as a QBs coach. Lewis took the fall for Philly’s disastrous receiver group in 2016, but it is hard to blame him considering the level of talent he was working with. Lewis played under Andy Reid for six seasons with the Eagles in the mid-2000s.

  96. 96 ChoTime said at 1:45 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    Interesting that someone perceived to have been as part of the problem here got a job just like that (I’m on record that the firing has every indication of being a scapegoat move).

  97. 97 Dave said at 12:02 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    Brett Favre V2.0?

  98. 98 myartz04 said at 12:28 PM on January 24th, 2017:

    He’s a major drama queen so this isn’t surprising at all.