Target Talk

Posted: January 8th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 288 Comments »

Everyone has a wish list. You might hear…the Eagles must go get a stud RB like Dalvin Cook. No, they need to go get an explosive receiver like DeSean Jackson. I’m old school…let’s get more good players for the line of scrimmage, whether OL or DL.

People love to ask me who I want or what I think the Eagles should do. I’m working on that. There are so many players to target and so many variables that it is hard to offer up a good scenario and one that is also realistic. There’s no fun in just throwing out a bunch of big names. I prefer to come up with an interesting combination of names.

Since I’m still doing a lot of research and thinking, I’m just going to offer some quick thoughts on a variety of players that interest me or that people have asked about.

Leonard Fournette is a dominant college RB, but I don’t see him as a good fit for the Eagles. Fournette would be great for an offense built around the power run game, but I don’t think he would be good value for the Eagles. Doug Pederson wants to use multiple RBs and wants guys that have complete skill sets.

Dalvin Cook is the one RB that I would even consider spending a 1st round pick on (for the Eagles). Cook is a big play machine, consistently delivering runs of 20 or more yards. His style should adapt well to the NFL He also is a good receiver. I generally don’t like RBs in the 1st round, but there are some players who are worth it. I felt that way about Ezekiel Elliot. He was special. Cook isn’t as good as him, but is more than just a good RB. I lean against the Eagles going for a RB in the 1st, but Cook is so good that I would have to strongly consider it.

I would love the Eagles to get a RB with some size. Jamal Williams from BYU is a player that interests me. So is Kareem Hunt from Toledo.

There is no WR that I think the Eagles “must get”. After hearing Howie Roseman, I lean against veterans like DeSean Jackson, Pierre Garcon, Brandon Marshall, etc. They are good players, but they would be good for 2017, not the next 3 to 5 years.

Tim McManus wrote a piece on WR Kenny Stills being a good target for the Eagles.

Stills (6-foot, 195 pounds) seems to fit the bill.

The 24-year-old out of Oklahoma had 42 catches for 726 yards and nine touchdowns for the Dolphins this season. A fifth-round pick by the New Orleans Saints in 2013, Stills was traded to Miami for linebacker Dannell Ellerbe and a third-round pick prior to the ’15 season and has proven to be an asset for the Miami offense, particularly this season. The Eagles are in desperate need of a receiver that can stretch the field, and that happens to be Stills’ specialty. Possessing sub-4.40 second, 40-yard speed, Stills averaged 17.3 yards per catch in 2016 — good for third in the NFL behind DeSean Jackson (17.9) and Chris Hogan of the New England Patriots (17.9).

Stills is one of the possible targets on my list. He has a good combination of size and speed. He is good downfield, something the Eagles lack now. He doesn’t have great hands, but is a reliable receiver. Stills is young and a player on the rise. Miami has Jarvis Landry and just spent a 1st round pick on Devante Parker so they aren’t likely to spend money to keep Stills. His price won’t be cheap, but should be reasonable compared to Alshon Jeffrey and the other top guys.

The free agent WR who fascinates me the most is Terrelle Pryor. He could cost in the $10M per year range and only has one season of being a full time WR. That’s a big risk. He needs work on route-running and other technical issues. That said, put on the tape and you see a player with special potential. He is huge at 6-4, 223 and is a great athlete. He is an offensive weapon. I doubt the Eagles pursue him, but he’d certainly be worth checking out and having a long discussion over.

Clemson star Mike Williams is very intriguing. He goes about 6-4, 220 and is athletic. He is a skilled WR that plays to his size. He missed most of 2015 due to a neck injury and that has to be factored in. He will get a ton of attention from doctors at the Combine. If he does check out, Williams is worth serious consideration.

Western Michigan’s Corey Davis is terrific. He has great RAC skills and is the kind of highly competitive player I can see Joe Douglas and the scouts loving.

There is no O-lineman that I’m in love with yet. I don’t think the Eagles will add any vets. This feels like purely a draft area.

The Eagles will be cutting Connor Barwin, unless they can trade him. That means there will be an opening for a DE. They’ve already got a lot of money in Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry so they are likely to bargain shop or use a draft pick here. There are a slew of good draft targets, including non-1st rounders.

I don’t know what is going on at DT. Will Bennie Logan be back or not? The Eagles like him a lot, but can’t afford to hand him a huge deal. Will some other team offer him a huge deal?

I’m still doing research on free agent CBs. Stephon Gilmore from Buffalo is one of the big names and did play for Jim Schwartz, but Gilmore wants huge money and isn’t coming off a great year. I haven’t seen a CB yet that I would break the bank for.

That is Texans CB AJ Bouye, who is on my list of corners to study. Just have to make sure he’s not a product of the system and would be worth a good investment. Learn from the Byron Maxwell move, right?

CB is another spot where there are some very good draft targets. Corn Elder from Miami doesn’t have good hands, but he can really hit and tackle and he’s aggressive. Desmond King from Iowa has excellent ball skills. Rasul Douglas of West Virginia led the nation in INTs and is a defensive playmaker. The Eagles can go a number of different ways, depending on which CBs they fall in love with.


288 Comments on “Target Talk”

  1. 1 Insomniac said at 11:33 PM on January 8th, 2017:

    Corn Elder. What a name. I always look forward to hearing your opinions and analysis Tommy. Will you be going down to Mobile this year too?

  2. 2 BobSmith77 said at 12:34 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Wasn’t Corn Elder the bad guy in the ‘Children of the Corn 6: Still Poppin’?

  3. 3 John Galt said at 12:42 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    I think the thought process is that Doug is a west coast guy who likes his backs smaller and to be able to catch the ball. He really isn’t a power run guy. So while you are right, the personnel could be matched to Fournette and a power run game, that isn’t really Dougs philosophy as a coach and is therefore an unlikely thing for the Eagles to try.

    Personally I think Fournette will be good but not franchise changing. Runs very tall and can’t catch. He is gonna take some punishment. Feels like a dominant (if he has at least a decent OL) but short career type to me.

  4. 4 A Roy said at 5:35 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Belongs in Pittsburgh.

  5. 5 Insomniac said at 12:07 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I don’t think Doug has a size preference or at least I hope he doesn’t. Seems like Doug was just using what he was given.

    Fournette can catch but just don’t expect Sproles from him. We could use a guy that wears offenses down and won’t turn the ball over.

  6. 6 Mac said at 11:28 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Had a new guy one here the other day advocating for the whole 4 yards and a cloud of dust type offense. I think we’re a lot closer to a 65/35 pass/run ratio.

    Additionally, it just isn’t prudent to build a team around a RB when the committee thing works, and their careers tend to be short.

  7. 7 Insomniac said at 12:01 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I think it’ll align with our plans. We have to get decent OL for Wentz in the near future anyway.

  8. 8 Mac said at 1:19 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I agree that I think we may have a pretty nice oline for 2017 assuming Peters has another season in the tank.

  9. 9 Greg Tulino said at 12:27 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    It is absolutely unacceptable for this team to come to training camp minus upgrades at both WR and CB. We really need 2 CB’s and 2 WR’s, but at a minimum we need at least 1 upgrade at each spot. No reason we can’t get at least one from free agency and the draft. Give us Kenny Stills and Corey Davis and we can go from there.

  10. 10 Fufina said at 6:15 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Not sure we need 2x WR’s… just a genuine no.1

    Mathews is a fine no.2 type receiver, and we have a good pass catching TE in Ertz and RB in Sproles. Get someone who can get open consistently 1v1 and then you have a legitimate passing attack.

    We do need 2 CB’s however.

  11. 11 BlindChow said at 12:51 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Corn Elder

  12. 12 Media Mike said at 5:14 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    We can also add Forrest Lamp; he’ll guide the way for our young players to new and exciting play

  13. 13 BlindChow said at 12:53 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Chris Hogan was the Paul Turner of the Dolphins’ Hard Knocks season. Performed really well in training camp, caught everything thrown his way, yet got cut at the end of preseason. Now he’s leading the lead in yards per catch…

  14. 14 Patrick said at 3:02 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Yeah, but for every Chris Hogan theres what, hundreds, of Na Browns, Lorenzo Bookers, Henry Joseys and Hank Basketts.

    I like Hogan, but his increase in stats is pretty much purely playing for NE catching Tom Bradys passes. I’m fine with keeping Turner around and let him continuously play himself on the roster, but the love for Turner around the Eagles fan base is ridiculous. He isn’t that good. Hard working, smart, nice and all the words usually used describing small, white WRs, but not very good.

    He might be better than what we have, and we didnt invest anything into getting him, sure keep him around. But Paul Turner really shouldn’t be a guy we expect having any sort of role on the roster. If he surprises and becomes awesome, thats perfect, but right now he is and looks like he will always be, a 5th/6th NFL WR at best.

  15. 15 BlindChow said at 10:19 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    “He might be better than what we have…”

    This is the only thing that’s important.

  16. 16 Patrick said at 12:51 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    The most important thing is finding someone better than Paul Turner and Nelson Agholor for next year.

    The old, you can be the smartest person in the challenged class, but you’re still dumb. Being the best of the Eagles WRs, which JMatt is by a landslide, not PT, is like being that normal but dumb kid in a class full of retards. Not a road to succes.

  17. 17 Media Mike said at 5:24 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    So the moral of the story needs to be; keep guys on your team who earn jobs no matter how you acquired that guy.

  18. 18 A_T_G said at 10:47 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Like Barner?

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 7:33 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    No, the guys who outplayed Barner; Josey and Mostert.

  20. 20 Bert's Bells said at 10:28 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    You had me at Paul Turner.

  21. 21 Mac said at 5:20 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Agreed. I’m tired of having guys making decisions who are so smart that they can ignore simple facts that are staring them in the face.

  22. 22 SallyForth said at 1:39 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Yup, his teammates called him “7-11” … because he was always open. Can’t believe the Dolphins let him go.

  23. 23 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 1:20 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    I still want DeSean. He’s still much better than Stills has ever been, and I trust Howie to make the deal work for both parties.

    If we want to build a culture of “fuck you, I’m the best” in our WRs, there’s no one better.

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 5:26 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    If you got DeSean signed to a 2 year deal, the “3 to 5 years” concern of Tommy is mitigated.

  25. 25 Fufina said at 6:11 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Well frankly anyone we sign outside of maybe Jeffery will be on a 2 year deal with some team options added afterwards.

    Problem i have with Stills is i think he is ‘just a guy’. Yes he is quick but i have never seen him as a difference maker. He will take what the defence gives him not create offence. If there is a mistake in coverage he can get open deep, and if he is mismatched onto a CB who lacks the speed to cover him he will get open but he is not going to threaten a good secondary.

    DeSean is a better route runner, more agile and can beat good coverage if given time, but there are question marks about his age and declining speed which makes him only a short term solution.

    Pryor fascinates me.. not sure if the Browns let him test FA, nor what it means if they do. But what i do think is he can be more than just a guy.

  26. 26 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 11:16 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    I expect it to be a deal that’s “officially” 3 to 5 years, but is essentially either $15m over 2 years (if he’s cut rather than restructured) or $20m over 3.

  27. 27 bill said at 9:51 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Desean certainly has the “F you” attitude, but “tough” is not the adjective I’d use for him. He’s quit on his teams before. He doesn’t outwork even the ball boy off the field. He doesn’t hate to lose – he loves the spotlight.

    But even given all that, he’d certainly be the best WR on the team the second he was signed. Just don’t see the Eagles putting too much effort into it. If he’s a bargain, then sure. But then you’re going to get pouty Desean, and that might nullify any value in the bargain.

  28. 28 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 12:28 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    DeSean is a guy who will take a bullet for you if he feels you have his back…and will quit completely if he feels at all disrespected.

  29. 29 bill said at 12:34 PM on January 9th, 2017:

  30. 30 Geoff said at 5:59 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    What are your thoughts on McCaffery? His stock seems to have fallen quite a bit with his relatively poor season; maybe available on rounds 2-4?

  31. 31 Sb2bowl said at 11:42 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    I don’t see him as a first round talent, but he’d be of value in rounds 2-3. Some team will fall in love with his bloodlines, but his combine stats/measurable’s will be key for him.

  32. 32 Nailed It! said at 11:51 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    *Cough* Bill Bilicheck

  33. 33 Patrick said at 12:54 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    IDK, a guy like that whos good at catching the ball out of the backfield, I can see our own Douggy P liking him a lot.

  34. 34 midnitemud said at 6:17 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    I hope they go after AJ Bouye if the Texans let him test the market. I don’t think they will, but they do have a lot invested already at CB (Jonathan Joseph + Kareem Jackson + Kevin Johnson). If Kevin Johnson didn’t get hurt this year, Bouye may not have had the chance to shine. But he got a shot, and made the most of it.

    Young but experienced CB in FA, WR(Davis)/RB(Cook) in 1st round, then fill in the rest (OL/DL/WR/RB/etc.) throughout the rest of the draft. My early January dream scenario… (subject to change)

  35. 35 Fufina said at 6:35 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Looking at their cap and expected free agents there is no way they should let him walk, and even if they decide they have too much $$ invested on defence i would think they cut Joseph or someone else before letting him leave. Good CB’s combined with Watt/Clowney/Mercilus should be a disgusting defense next year.

  36. 36 Fufina said at 6:37 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    In fact Texans might be a sneaky place to see Romo be traded to… if they can get even just get compotent QB play its a SB roster, and they have the cap to do it.

  37. 37 scratcherk said at 8:25 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    You wonder, with only one year of good play and the sick D-line play, if its too risky of a signing, especially with the money he’ll earn. Dude can definitely ball, but again just one year so far…

  38. 38 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 8:26 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Id rather go Corey Davis/CB in round 1 and take Foreman somewhere after the first round

  39. 39 Sb2bowl said at 11:36 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Not sure how much time Joseph has left with the Texans. They may cut him to keep the younger guy, though Joseph has had a bounce back year after struggling a bit.

  40. 40 Dave said at 7:40 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    When it comes to WRs and CBs in the draft, I have 2 words, “ball skills”.

  41. 41 Jernst said at 2:09 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    It’s unbelievable how underrated the ability to track and catch a football is when discussing WR prospects. I don’t want anymore WRs drafted that have issues with catching the ball.

  42. 42 Dave said at 4:01 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I hear you.

  43. 43 Sb2bowl said at 4:15 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    God that hurts to watch

  44. 44 A_T_G said at 10:54 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    So, the guy from the Texans, is his name pronounced like the Flavor Flav exclamation? And if not, can the change be a stipulation in his contract? I want to hear a stadium full of fans yell, “Yeah, Bouyeeeeeeeee!” when he breaks up a pass to OBJ.

  45. 45 Sb2bowl said at 11:35 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’m hoping for at least 2 CB’s from this draft- 1 within the first 2 rounds, and another in rounds 5-7. We need to find at least 1 WR, and at least 1 RB.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we go DL in round 1 if he’s worth it, even though that wouldn’t be a popular pick. Kid from Michigan State (McDowell) has some serious potential and theoretically may be there for our pick.

    I do hope we get pick 14, with the ability to trade back to the 17-19 range to pick up at least a 3rd. That’s the fun part about the draft- you never know.

  46. 46 ChoTime said at 11:37 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Competent CB and WR play could make a huge difference for this team. Whether in FA or draft, they need some help.

  47. 47 John Galt said at 11:37 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Saw a tweet that the Eagles are firing Greg Lewis. Anybody confirmed? I sure hope so, if true, lookout league, we are going to unleash the real Agholor next year…

  48. 48 Dave said at 11:38 AM on January 9th, 2017:

  49. 49 aron said at 1:20 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    i blame obama

  50. 50 ChoTime said at 11:40 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Ok… because we all know firing the coach makes players remember how to catch and line up and be talented.

  51. 51 laeagle said at 11:53 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    Not sure why you’ve got a negative spin on this. The WRs sucked, and part of that is on the position coach. Maybe it’s not fair, but it’s pretty standard. You mention lining up; that _is_ entirely on the position coach to emphasize. He can’t be there on the field to guide the ball into their hands, but he certainly can drill in the importance of basic things like lining up properly and knowing when it’s OK to block.

    Also, if firing a coach means you can bring in one who CAN teach them how to line up and improve overall, then yes, firing the coach can make players remember how to catch and line up.

    I feel like you’ve gone full Cataldi on us.

  52. 52 John Galt said at 11:56 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    He may have missed my sarcasm (I should have given the /s) and was replying to me that Agholor sucks regardless (who doesn’t know that). Otherwise cant figure out why anyone would be upset about this.

  53. 53 ChoTime said at 10:53 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    It’s scapegoating. Firing a position coach is just throwing a bone to fans who want to grasp at anything. Nor do teams that fire head coaches usually get any kind improvement either. What was our record last year, with the worst coach of all time, the dumbest scheme of all time?

    Coaching isn’t the reason Jordan Matthews and Nelson Agholor suck and Jeremy Maclin and Desean Jackson are good. They were better coming out of college, they were better starting out, and they will always be better. Firing Greg Lewis or hiring Jerry Rice to be their coach isn’t going to change that. Bringing in Steve Smith isn’t going to give them hands. If a player doesn’t know how to line up, which is taught in high school, then maybe he needs a babysitter, not a coach.

  54. 54 Sb2bowl said at 11:44 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    It’s true

  55. 55 Dave said at 11:52 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    The word “true” and “bleedinggreennation” in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

  56. 56 Sb2bowl said at 12:00 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    They aren’t what they used to be, but overall they are credible.

  57. 57 Insomniac said at 11:52 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    come back Jason Avant!!

  58. 58 eagleyankfan said at 11:59 AM on January 9th, 2017:

    They are good players, but they would be good for 2017, not the next 3 to 5 years. — You mean — like Sproles? (not hating on Sproles. Love the guy. He’s just not in the future plans)

  59. 59 Fufina said at 12:32 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    The NFL is not the same as the NBA or MLB with their guaranteed contracts and ageing vets on monster deals.

    Sproles will cost 2.3% of the total cap in 2017, which is pretty much nothing in the longer term in the context salary cap. If there was a young exciting guy who deserved playing time over him and could develop into a quality starter on the roster alread – then obviously cut him. But we don’t have anyone who is an obvious replacement nor anyone we could pick up cheaper or better in FA.

    Best case for the team (and young player) is to not need to force rookies onto the field if they are not ready. Keep Sproles/Celek this year, look to find a young 3rd down RB and blocking TE to develop this year in the midrounds and if you hit then move on next year. No need to make the team poorer and more challenging on a young QB to save cents on the dollar (in NFL salary cap terms).

  60. 60 Call Me Carlos the Dwarf said at 12:35 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    He also, you know, led the team in yards from scrimmage this year.

  61. 61 Jernst said at 2:05 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Yea. You risk stunting Wentz’s development if you take away his only playmaker on offense before you have an adequate replacement. Even if we’re not ready to compete for a title next year, I think it’s still important to have success and improve instead of taking a step back to save a few bucks.

  62. 62 eagleyankfan said at 11:12 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    But what’s the gain? I’d rather use the roster spot on developing a young kid even if it’s only for special teams then use someone who aging and won’t be part of the team after 2017. I’m not sure how that’s making the team more poorer. If anything, 2015 and 2016 are proving that young kids do not have to be handled with white gloves. Keeping Sproles = 1 less player to develop on the roster.
    If the Eagles had a starting rb set, I’d be all for keeping Sproles as a back up. I don’t see a gain in the logic of ‘making the team poorer. Worst case scenario with Sproles not on the team — Eagles get a better draft pick in 2018. Wentz is going to survive with or without Sproles. Wentz would have survived if Sproles wasn’t on the team in 2016. Not having WR is more challenging to Wentz than a missing aging RB….Don’t get me wrong, I like Sproles and love watching him play. I just don’t think he’s “helping” the team. If Eagles were SB contenders and needed that aging back as insurance — absolutely keep him.

  63. 63 Gary Barnes said at 12:17 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    IMO, the Eagles need to select players who fit how they want to play as a team best. That means they need to identify what those models are and evaluate how well the various available players fit. That evaluation will help guide their priorities for FA, trades and the draft board.

    I’m fine with Douglas’ reported focus on tough, physical, mentally strong players and hope that derives from a specific philosophy of play that has a proven track record of success at this level.

    I would advocate being a ball control, run-first offense built around a dominant OL and Wentz’s disciplined play. I’d complement that with a physical, man to man attacking defense based on a strong DL and superior CB. Then finish off the 3rd facet with tough ST units focused on controlling field position and causing turnovers.

  64. 64 Fufina said at 12:26 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Not that i would have a problem with going with trying to build a KC style team, but i think Wentz can be more than just a game manager – I think he can be a top tier play making QB who can carry a team. Only way you let that happen however is if you let him develop that way and give him the tools the succeed.

    Giving him (for example) Pryor and investing a high pick in a RB gives him the tools to actually succeed in that kind of situation. Green Bay is not a great team – but they have gone to 8 post seasons in a row on his back, and any time they get an above average supporting cast around him he is a super bowl contender.

    We can fix the defence in 1 or 2 or even 3 years time if needed if Wentz turns out to be an elite QB down the road.

  65. 65 Gary Barnes said at 1:10 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I can see that, but this approach imo will let Wentz develop effectively and it can always be tweaked once he shows he can do more. I’m fine with WR and RB improvements, he definitely needs better weapons, but in my approach the OL gets first priority. That will keep Wentz upright and confident in his development plus it will help the run and pass games as well. For me, the OL is the engine, the QB the driver and the rest can be built around those two facets. It will not work to have very good WR and RB with a crappy OL and Wentz running for his life.

  66. 66 BobSmith77 said at 1:26 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Wentz ever develops Rodgers’ accuracy especially while scrambling, I’ll be stunned. Just doesn’t seem to be his forte.

    Certainly improve on it especially on short routes but Rodgers makes better throws off his back foot/scrambling than a number of QBs do while they set and throw.

  67. 67 bill said at 12:27 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’m with you on all those points, but I think that Schwartz’s scheme is going to be more zone than man to man. That’s why he wants to get pressure with 4 and dislikes the blitz – so that he can employ exotic zone schemes with 7 players.

  68. 68 Gary Barnes said at 1:20 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I agree that is Schwartz’s preference, but I think the Eagles need to think longer term. The pressure with 4 failed this year and our coverage guys got roasted routinely. If they are going to stick with that model, then they need to select players specifically to fit it with an obvious focus on pass rush (DE) and coverage (CB, LB). The personnel decisions have to be aligned with the aspects of the scheme. If Schwartz leaves in a year, they need to have a good idea for what type of defense they NEED rather than just hire the next DC and let him decide in a vacuum.

  69. 69 bill said at 2:01 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    That seems to go along with Tommy’s point. They need to play the long game, like the Steelers, etc. do. Seems that’s where Reid got into trouble here, as well – he lost JJ and started subscribing to the flavor of the month club, and lost track of his apocryphal “plan.”

  70. 70 Gary Barnes said at 3:30 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Agreed. That is why the GM and other management need to be strategic thinkers as well as good with the cap, trades etc. We need to make an effective plan and stick to it regardless of one year fluctuations or what appears to be “trendy”. It also should be independent of GM, HC etc. If Roseman and/or Pederson leaves, that should not necessarily mean we change our strategic plan. We need to find a new GM and/or HC that fits the plan and has the skills/experience to carry it out effectively.

  71. 71 anon said at 2:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I think 4-3 rushers are not that hard to find. You can get an old guy, you can get a mid round guy, to develop, you can get a guy that has production but isn’t a scheme fit. That’s what i like most about 4-3, the guys you need for the scheme are actually obtainable.

  72. 72 Patrick said at 12:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’m having a hard time believing that former QB and Andy Reid trained Doug Peterson will install a run first offense. I’d expect the very reasonable change, that we won’t have Wentz throwing 600 passes again for at least a couple of years, which obviously means running the ball, but a WCO relies on short passes, we’ll throw the ball. Which, with current state of the NFL rules in mind, isn’t a bad thing.

    I do believe we’ll invest resources in the OL. Andy Reid always did and Howie isn’t stupid, he will protect the franchise player, which is probably why Peters aren’t going anywhere. To be fair, Doug did bring in Brooks as one of his major signings, and spent a 3rd and a 5th on the OL. Whether we’ll build that dominant OL relies on finding good players, but you can’t, as of yet at least, accuse the new regime of ignoring OL.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens on defense. Personally, I tend to like more man coverage, but theres really no right way to go. I’d just like to see some focus on agressive play and forcing impact plays, whether thats sacks/TFLs or turnovers. I think those are the defense that see succes in the postseason.

    I think Doug, and maybe more specifically Howie and guys like Douglas has a pretty good vision about the rosters future composition, but to be fair we are literally a year away from Chip Kellys very specific and unique system. When you look at the identity of say Baltimore and Pittsburgh, they have literally ran their teams in their style for decades. It takes time. I think we had something similar under Reid, albeit a shorter period, and Andy went a little fast and loose with his own ideas in the en trying his hardest to figure it out and make it work. Then the whole Kelly thing happened, for better or for worse, he did try and bring his own philosophy in, and arguably succeeded with most of it. It just didn’t work.

    What we need is time and continuous improvement. Hopefully Doug is here for a long time and with a lot of succes, and when he goes, we’ll find someone similar and with the same ideas and philosophy, to evolve the organisation, a la what happened with Pittsburgh and Cowher/Tomlin. We’re not gonna see that total and complete picture before 2 or 3 years down the road.

  73. 73 Fufina said at 1:03 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    They run a lot in KC…. and if you add in some of the short pseudo run throws that the WCO makes then KC is an absolute grind it out slow down by down team.

  74. 74 Patrick said at 1:10 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    By my calculations, using stats, we ran the ball on 40 % of our offensive snaps, while KC ran the ball on 41 % of their offensive snaps.

  75. 75 anon said at 1:12 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Yeah who are the WRs on that team even?

  76. 76 Gary Barnes said at 1:26 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’m fine with mixing in a passing attack, absolutely needed in today’s NFL, but imo the OL and run attack should be the focus. We DO need a dominant OL and no stones should be unturned to get that done. We cannot just say, “Oh well, that’s too hard to do. We’ll just do the best with what we have”. We’ll never win if that is the attitude and approach. They need to get it done or be replaced.

  77. 77 SteveH said at 12:20 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I never saw Greg Lewis as a coach honestly. Not sure why, but that’s how I felt when they hired him.

    Ultimately I’m not sure it matters much, hard to squeeze blood from that group of stones.

  78. 78 Fufina said at 12:40 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    My arguement for why he should be seriously looked at and fired unless Doug loved him, is that he has no track record of developing NFL WR’s, and while he probably is not the problem, he could be, and i am not risking serious draft capital and free agent $$ in his hands with that being the case.

    At least Undlin had success in Denver and had good rookie development of Rowe and Mills. Only other position coach who i think might be on the hot seat is our DL coach Chris Wilson who had a poorly performing (compared to expectations) but heavily invested unit who again has no real NFL pedigree.

  79. 79 RobNE said at 3:18 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I agree. It’s too tough a task right now to have someone inexperienced as their position coach.

  80. 80 scratcherk said at 12:45 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Would you all be OK going into next season with Smallwood, Sproles and Marshall and spending resources elswehere?

  81. 81 A_T_G said at 12:48 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I would like something more. He doesn’t need to be a top pick, but Smallwood, Sproles, Marshall sounds like a plate of side dishes with no main course. I think that was the reason we struggled without Mathews.

  82. 82 Fufina said at 12:54 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Its tough because i don’t want to spend $$ in FA on a band aid RB who is not a solution but will just eat a roster spot if you draft a young RB high… but at the same time going into the draft and knowing you really need to force a RB pick in the 1st 3 rounds is pretty rough… especially in a draft class this good defensively.

    I might be willing to keep Mathews possibly for 1 more year and then be willing to cut him in camp if I have a young stud rookie RB who is impressing me.

  83. 83 scratcherk said at 1:11 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    with injury and money, i think theres no chance mathews is back

  84. 84 scratcherk said at 1:18 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Could get Latavius Murray or Tim Hightower for not a lot of money.

  85. 85 Jernst said at 1:57 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    If you’re going the 1 year bandaid route, you can get tough grind out 4 yards at a time RBs for a lot less than $5M per year.

  86. 86 Insomniac said at 1:03 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    The 3 protein bars a.k.a Sproles, Smallwood, and Marshall not enough for you?

  87. 87 Corry said at 1:11 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I agree. Those 3 are all change of pace/gadget players. Smallwood *could* become a starter, but I think that’s unlikely. We need to find a starter.

  88. 88 Jernst said at 1:56 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Smallwood reminds me of Correl Buckhalter. I could see him having a similar type role of being a darn good RB1B.

  89. 89 BobSmith77 said at 1:24 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  90. 90 Sb2bowl said at 1:39 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Don’t forget Barner

  91. 91 Ryan Rambo said at 2:34 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’ll take….Things Media Mike would never say for $500 Chuck!!

  92. 92 Sb2bowl said at 4:17 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Then my comment should have been………

    “Who is, don’t forget Barner”

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 6:28 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I never forget that Barner was added to the team when Josey, Mostert, and Tucker all outplayed him.

  94. 94 Sb2bowl said at 6:36 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    But he’s playing better than those guys now

    ; — )

  95. 95 Jernst said at 1:55 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Ideally, I’d like to have at least one more talented player added to that group before the season. Not a 1st rounder necessarily, but a mid round guy that isn’t just undrafted free agent camp fodder. I think this year is deep at RB so it would make sense to get some value in the 3rd through 5th rounds. But, I wouldn’t freak out if we didn’t. I think RB should be the last piece to the puzzle that you add to a team. Once you have a stable oline, bring in your QB, give him a pass catcher or two to build some chemistry with and then blow your load on the first round RB that puts you over the top.

  96. 96 anon said at 2:51 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    see Baltimore. Think RB has become an undervalued position. Everyone preaches ground and pound but no one wants to pay for a RB.

  97. 97 P_P_K said at 4:57 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    No one in the Cowboys organization is saying they shouldn’t have used a 1st for Zeke. The same is likely to happen with Dalvin Cook.

  98. 98 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 5:01 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Dallas is was in a completely different position last year than we are this year. They had a bad year because their QB got hurt but they won 13 games the year before.

    I think we are more than 1 player(s) away. This draft is full of running backs too. CB, WR and DE should come first.

  99. 99 P_P_K said at 6:30 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Rationally, it’s hard for me to argue with you. But Zeke and, I think, Cook, too, are such rare talents that I feel it’s worth giving a ton to get a guy like that in your backfield. It can transform a whole O. Of course, its won’t solve any CB problems.

  100. 100 Jernst said at 8:43 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Literally just took the words out of my mouth. They also had the best Oline in football, a stud WR that demands a defenses attention, a decent 2nd and 3rd WR and a HOF TE. While you could have easily argued for a defensive player at that spot, offensively, that is the prime time to add a stud RB. Zeke would be great anywhere, he’s that good. But, his year would look a lot differently if he was running behind our offensive line with Bradford throwing to DGB and Bryce Treggs.

    Defenses would have stacked the box against us all year and held him much more in check, while daring us to beat them over the top which we wouldn’t have been able to do. And, over the next few years while we tried to find WRs, Olinemen and a QB, he’d spend that time getting 25 carries a game running into a stacked box on a losing team.

    Once everything else is in place offensively, a stud RB is a huge difference maker. On a team with multiple offensive holes, a stud RB doesn’t have nearly as much impact. See: Vikings during Peterson’s prime.

  101. 101 ChoTime said at 10:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Is Cowboys the reason people around here are talking about getting a RB? I’m dumbfounded. Almost any other position is more important to shore up.

  102. 102 Jernst said at 8:37 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I actually completely agree with you. While I recognize the RBs have one of the shortest primes of any position, and that quality players can often be found later in the draft at RB than some other positions, I think people have swung way too far with undervaluing the position. Just look at the impact that a guy like Zeke is having in Dallas. Or how much of a difference the Eagle’s offense functioned when Westbrook was causing matchup problems during his prime.
    Anyone that touches the ball 20-30 times a game (second only to the QB), should be a high value position. That being said, I still think that it’s best to try and fill the position with quality mid round talent unless one of two scenarios play out: either you’re looking at a true bonafide stud difference maker like Zeke or if you feel that you otherwise have a team ready to compete for a title. In the latter scenario, a difference maker at RB can add a ton of value.
    However, if your team still has needs at Oline and WR (in addition to needs at DE, DT, and CB), I tend to think it’s best practice to not spend a premium pick (like #14 overall) on a RB. The reason being that without a quality passing attack teams are often able to scheme away much of the benefit of having a stud ball carrier by stacking the LOS and daring teams to pass against you. If your Oline situation isn’t settled either, then you’re essentially wasting the first few years of good healthy production from such an asset running into a stacked box with poor blocking.
    Regardless of how good a RB is, that’s more often than not a losing proposition that puts enormous wear and tear on any back. Then, by the time you get a good WR corps, give them time to create some passing game chemistry with your QB and fill in all the longterm holes along your offensive line, the RB that you spent such a premium resource on is halfway through his prime years and has accumulated a ton of wear and tear being the focus of the offense, while running the ball 25-30 times a game into an 8 man box behind a subpar Oline.
    That’s why I lean towards getting a WR before a RB (if offensive skill position is what we’re going for). WRs take time to develop into pro WRs, they take time to develop good chemistry with their QBs and are harder to find in later rounds than RBs. In the meantime, see if you can find an adequate RB in rounds 2-5 to hold us over. And, once Wentz is entering his prime, has a good report going with his receiving corps and the Oline is at a championship level, then you go ahead and spend a significant resource getting that playmaker at RB that puts you over the top offensively.
    That’s just my thoughts on it. Ultimately, I’ll be happy with any position as long as it’s a true difference maker. BPA should be our mantra for all our picks. We could use playmakers at every single position, except for QB (and even then, it’s always smart to keep the stable full of developing talent there).
    In this draft, I just don’t see that Zeke type talent. I see a lot of really good but not great backs and I don’t see much drop off from the first to 2nd or even 3rd rounds. Whereas, I truly believe Corey Davis will be a far better WR than either of the two RBs in discussion for our first round pick.

  103. 103 anon said at 9:23 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Yeah agree- gotta build o-line first, for every Zeke there’s a todd gurley

  104. 104 Gary Barnes said at 3:34 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  105. 105 Tumtum said at 3:45 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  106. 106 scratcherk said at 12:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    One reason to hold out some hope for Ags is that we should have seen this poor season coming. As soon as he had all his offseason troubles, my first thought was that he’s going to have a down year due to all the distractions. If he can get his mind right this offseason, he has the talent to contribute. And obviously he’s cheap right now.

  107. 107 Fufina said at 12:56 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Its all sunk cost so he is basically free at this point. He needs to go to some retreat for a month, then pick up his phone in February and hire a WR coach and jump on a plane with him to wherever Wentz is… and them not to split up until camp.

  108. 108 scratcherk said at 12:55 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    DE is an underrated need this offseason. We really need that front four to dominate for Schwartz’s defense to work. We have a lot of money on the line already so ideally we spend one of our top picks on the Dline.

  109. 109 Fufina said at 1:01 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    If the right guy is there i would definitely make a move. Solomon Thomas is a guy who might be there at 14 who i really like and would be a nasty addition to the Dline. Tim Williams might be a guy if they just want a 3rd down speed specialist as a change of pace. Not sure i pull the trigger unless either of those guys or Myles Garret (who would need to smoke a bong with a gas mask on draft day to be there) were there however.

  110. 110 anon said at 1:10 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    lots of coaching changes this offseason – some guys should shake free.

  111. 111 Insomniac said at 1:04 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    We have stopgaps at DE but we don’t need to address it now.

  112. 112 FairOaks said at 5:50 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    We are almost certainly going to lose Barwin, and maybe even Smith II, so unless you are convinced that Curry is the answer, we may need one (and probably still need depth even if he’s good). I would have no issue with a DE in the first round, if he is a different-making talent. But we could also try to find depth later on, as well.

  113. 113 Insomniac said at 9:49 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I think we’ll keep Smith. We don’t need another Pro Bowl DE, what we need are CBs that can cover for more than 2 seconds so the pass rush can get home.

  114. 114 Tumtum said at 1:32 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    3rd down specialist maybe?

  115. 115 Bert's Bells said at 1:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’d wager they target a DE who can move inside on passing downs.

  116. 116 anon said at 1:10 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    “Impending free agent Kenny Stills said he’s hopeful he’ll be able to re-sign with the Dolphins. Stills said the team is building something “special” and wants to be apart of it.”

    Maybe adam gase is a better coach than i thought?

  117. 117 BobSmith77 said at 1:24 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Still rather have him than Pederson.

  118. 118 Insomniac said at 1:26 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    No one can really be special with Ryan Tannehill as QB.

  119. 119 Bert's Bells said at 1:48 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Pro athlete talk.

    You know what’s more special? Lot’s of zeros at the end of a check.

  120. 120 anon said at 2:50 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  121. 121 Tumtum said at 3:40 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    And not all after the decimal like mine!

  122. 122 Media Mike said at 5:35 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Like when Reggie White wa$ called to $ign with Green Bay.

  123. 123 BobSmith77 said at 5:48 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Braman supposedly didn’t even offer him anything in the ball park. I remember the 49ers were supposedly the front runners only to see Reggie end up on the Packers because of that huge $20M contract offer.

    I was bummed when Keith Jackson left but I could understand some rationale behind that. Letting Reggie go and my final memory of him in Eagles’ kelly green was sitting on the bench in the Dallas playoff game late just zoning out.

  124. 124 RobNE said at 5:53 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    no it was because God told him to go there.

  125. 125 FairOaks said at 5:53 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’m not sure that Braman offered him anything at all — knew he wasn’t going to be in the ballpark and didn’t even try to compete. Reggie got paid, as deserved, and ended up making a good choice — he got his Super Bowl.

  126. 126 FairOaks said at 6:24 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    The Keith Jackson thing was criminal — took away Cunningham’s favorite (and most productive) receiver when we really could use him. The expectation was he would be signed, and it was a surprise when he signed with Miami. Braman was just not cut out for a free agency NFL world.

  127. 127 Media Mike said at 6:30 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Braman low-balled the hell and/or didn’t offer White at all. It was vile.

  128. 128 anon said at 1:14 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    TO as WR coach? What about Randy Moss – that’s who taught Terrell Pryor how to be a WR.

  129. 129 Insomniac said at 1:30 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’ll take Ochocinco at this point. Does Steve Smith want to coach?

  130. 130 Nailed It! said at 1:35 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Steve Smith would be awesome. As a player coach of course.

  131. 131 Fufina said at 1:38 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Steve Smith would rip out Agholors heart after he dropped his first pass of the season and then play every snap for the rest of the year. Really fun to watch not sure it would improve our team longer term.

  132. 132 Bert's Bells said at 1:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  133. 133 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:04 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Hank Baskett!!! or Todd Pinkston!!! or Greg Lewis…. oh, wait.

  134. 134 anon said at 1:18 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    After 1 year “off” Mike Smith considered for top spot in Jacksonville.

  135. 135 Tumtum said at 3:39 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Good coach. Did he have health issues?

  136. 136 Dave said at 3:57 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I don’t think so. He was 0-4 in the playoffs and 10-22 in his last 2 seasons.

  137. 137 Seth S. Scott said at 1:49 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    If there are no WRs to get, I would love it if the eagles found a reliable 3-down RB. It would help make openings for our WRs and TEs if we had a reliable and strong run game and not just a wishy-washy screen-back game that we have now. It would improve both the RB sitch and WR sitch. Then we could also use Sproles sparingly next year and make sure he plays all year and helps us make the playoffs! 🙂

  138. 138 Tumtum said at 3:39 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Just the biggest impact guy possible, and I’m happy. Sure WR is probably a little preferred. RB? Bring it on!

  139. 139 Fufina said at 1:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Ooh I haven’t listened yet – but Joe Banner is on the Business of sports podcast with Andrew Brandt today. Regardless of if you like him or not i always think he is a really insightful and interesting speaker when he has done these in the past – and he still has a strong legacy with the Eagles with how he has influenced Howie and Lurie.

  140. 140 RobNE said at 3:16 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I really like him and just figured out what I’m listening to on my drive home – thanks.

  141. 141 Bert's Bells said at 3:18 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Listening now. Banner is smart and frank. Talking about hiring and firing coaches. Banner’s not ashamed of getting canned from the Browns either.

  142. 142 Gary Barnes said at 3:39 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Always respected Banner’s intelligence, the value he brought as our cap guru and his willingness to be the bad guy who provided cover for Lurie, Reid et al.

  143. 143 Mac said at 5:16 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Nickels have value.

  144. 144 RC5000 said at 6:51 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Banner said completely idiotic bullshit about Sam Hinkie on twitter last year. So I will never listen to that dick again on purpose. I blocked that shit.

  145. 145 ChoTime said at 10:44 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Sounds like a reason to follow him to me.

  146. 146 SallyForth said at 2:05 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Would love for the Eagles to snare Corey Davis. But really doubt that he will fall to them.

    Would also like to see them add Still and Pryor … and get rid of DGB and Agholor. I just don’t see “the light go on” for either of these guys anytime soon … or, actually, ever …

  147. 147 FairOaks said at 2:50 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    DGB and Agholor are both cheap… and Agholor’s salary is guaranteed even if you cut him. You only cut them if you have 5 or 6 WRs you prefer to them, which given this group, won’t be happening. They both have potential… may never reach it, but you don’t keep Turner types over them.

    I think they need a good veteran though, and will probably have to be via free agency. They need somebody consistent, and preferably one the other guys can learn from — something is lacking there.

  148. 148 Media Mike said at 4:43 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Only so many guys can go 1 to 13 before we pick. Hopefully 3 QBs are taken prior to our pick.

  149. 149 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 4:44 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    And hopefully two OTs as well

  150. 150 Mac said at 5:14 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    And maybe even 2 RBs.

  151. 151 Ryan Rambo said at 6:19 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Let’s toss in a surprise long-snapper and a kicker!! #winning

  152. 152 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:21 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Safeties Adams and Hooker since we are set at safety

  153. 153 Anders said at 3:50 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    There is not 2 OTs worth taking in the 1st round in this draft

  154. 154 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:20 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    3 QBs
    2 safeties (hooker and Adams)
    Leonard Fournette (I don’t like him)

    Hoping those 6 players get taken ahead of meaning like almost half of the 14 picks before us were guys we had no interest in drafting, which is like us having the #9 pick in the draft getting one of the top 10 players on Our draft board. Sucks we can’t get high enough to trade up for Jonathon Allen
    Most important, we are likely to get a kid with. Legit round 1 grade

  155. 155 GermanEagle said at 5:05 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Good luck with adding Stills AND Pryor. lol…

  156. 156 Tumtum said at 3:37 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Tommy is never so matter of fact when talking about what the team is going to do as he is when he says Barwin is gone. I know we were all hoping/assuming. I consider it as good as done now.

  157. 157 Sb2bowl said at 4:10 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    He should snare at least a 5th on the trade market- I’d hope for a conditional 4 dependent on playing time.

  158. 158 scratcherk said at 4:35 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    expensive over-the-hill 3-4 backer? that would be a true work of howie magic

  159. 159 Mac said at 5:13 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    This is the very definition of howie do it.

  160. 160 FairOaks said at 5:29 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I doubt he is over the hill. He would probably still be worth every penny if we were still in a 3-4 — it would have been an absolute disaster if we didn’t have him those years. And, we were probably not playing him at his best position (or at least side of the field) this year, which did him no favors. Just a scheme fit issue. If we weren’t up against the cap, we could have been more honorable employers, but… we have too much money tied up in not-really-productive DEs as it is (Curry).

  161. 161 Sb2bowl said at 5:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    See: DeMarco Murray

  162. 162 Sb2bowl said at 6:37 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    29 isn’t over-the-hill for an outside 3-4 backer, especially one that excels in coverage

  163. 163 Media Mike said at 4:42 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Can we swap him to the Jets for Brandon Marshall.

    Short term WR situation solved for equivalent dollars to the OLB we’re giving them.

  164. 164 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 4:44 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    He has worse hands than Jordan Matthews

  165. 165 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:02 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’d give them Kendricks or Barwin for B-Marshall or Enunwa

  166. 166 Jernst said at 9:08 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I’d love Enunwa, but he’s super young (23), super cheap ($600k cap hit next year) and he’s only a RFA in 2018. I highly doubt they’d get rid of a guy who looks like he’s got all the skills to be a starting WR that will have cheap cap hits for the next two seasons, especially for an underperforming, expensive veteran LB like Kendricks or an even more expensive and even older stop gap like Barwin.

  167. 167 Sb2bowl said at 5:51 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    They will probably want a WR that costs less; I like Marshall but he doesn’t seem like an option.

    Plus the Jets are flush with OLB’s

  168. 168 P_P_K said at 4:54 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Connor is a guy who should have a successful life after football. If he gets into coaching, I’d be thrilled to see him back with the Eagles.

  169. 169 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:01 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    When you have young building blocks like Wentz and Cox it makes sense to go young and build thru the draft. but we have more needs than we can fill in one offseason so im sure we will still have to use a “Band aid” or two at positions we will have to wait Til next years draft to develope
    for Example we Probably need two WRs, but we can only draft one this year so it could make sense to Also add a veteran band aid like DEsean or Marshall to a contract we can get out of after a year (two at the max). That would give us a veteran presence, while buying us another year to evaluate the growth of our young WR’s and the rookie we draft, and if we are still unsatisfied with our young Wrs next year, we can draft another WR in the 2018 draft.
    I strongly agree with Tom in that I never been much of a leonard Fournette fan. Im hoping one of the teams ahead of us drafts Fournette.
    I’m hoping to see Roseman pull off a few trades that get us draft picks or young players. Ideally getting value for Kendricks and Barwin. Im so tired of Kendricks I don’t care what we trade him for. Lol trade our young LB to the jets for their WR Band aid Brandon Marshall, unless we could get them to part with Enunwa if we package a pick and Kendricks
    If Roseman was able to get value for kiko, Maxwell and Demarco after terrible seasons, so hopefully he can get some trade value for guys we want to get rid of

  170. 170 Ryan Rambo said at 6:11 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    The fact that those guys (DeMarco/Kiko) played well for their new teams will hopefully help out any trade potential.

  171. 171 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:14 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Good point, Roseman can’t really be accused of fleecing anyone except for the Browns of course

  172. 172 A Roy said at 6:31 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    And Minnesota…

  173. 173 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:03 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    When did we fire Greg Lewis? Hopefully we find someone who can develope young WRs

  174. 174 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:05 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Did we?

  175. 175 GermanEagle said at 5:05 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Yes we did.

  176. 176 Dragon_Eagle said at 5:06 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Ah, yes we did.

  177. 177 FairOaks said at 5:26 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Hard to argue with the move. It is sometimes the talent (I remember us being quite happy that Steve Spagnuolo was leaving for the Giants after our LBs sucked for a few years), but there were basic, teachable WR skills that our guys just didn’t seem to be doing (coming back to the QB, defending possible INTs, toe-tapping on the sidelines, etc., etc.). I don’t think a single WR improved this year, and with arguably a better QB.

  178. 178 Tumtum said at 5:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I remember being really upset we lost the heir apparent to JJ… I think?

  179. 179 FairOaks said at 6:09 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    He probably was the obvious heir, though we didn’t think that JJ would be leaving us so soon. Spags was the LBs coach though, and left after a multiple years (and multiple players) of lackluster LB play. (He was fine as DB coach before that of course, with Dawkins, Vincent, etc.) But yes, after him I think McDermott was the only quality defensive assistant left — and he was too inexperienced for DC at that time, to our regret, though we had no other in-house option.

  180. 180 anon said at 6:23 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Stealth layoff today.

  181. 181 RobNE said at 5:39 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Jags hired Doug Marrone for HC

  182. 182 FairOaks said at 5:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Wasn’t sure he was going to get another chance, after pulling out of Buffalo.

  183. 183 GermanEagle said at 5:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Good hire. Think he will do great there.

  184. 184 Tumtum said at 5:50 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Odd… I guess they feel they aren’t that far off.

  185. 185 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:57 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Did Buffalo even request to interview our OC yet?

  186. 186 Media Mike said at 6:27 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    That’s laughably bad. And they hired Coughlin as the head of the whole football side of things. New York blowhards x 2. Enjoy sucking for 3 to 5 more years Jacksonville!

  187. 187 Bert's Bells said at 6:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I like to make fun of Coughlin as much as the next guy, but he’s a solid coach and “football guy”. Made the Jags respectable his first time around and got some mediocre teams to win championships.

  188. 188 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:40 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    We can use elite playmaking talent at almost every position with the exception of QB, safety, punter, kicker, possibly Center and TE. I’ll take a big time talent at any other position if it’s clearly the best talent available.
    So im hoping to see as many positipns we have no interest in getting picked ahead of:
    We would be lucky if 3 teams ahead of us reach for a QB (Trubisky, Kizer, Watson)
    I don’t like leonard Fournette so hopefully he ge

  189. 189 Jernst said at 8:55 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Exactly. Just look at the year we drafted Hicks while we were presumably overloaded with talent at the LB position. Most people laughed at that pick as being a poor use of resources. Just a year later he’s the linchpin to our entire defense and one of the few true playmaking studs we have at the position. Never pass up exceptional talent because of needs. If a player ends up being really good, you’ll find a way to get value out of him regardless of position or perceived need. And, things change so fast in the NFL. We had DeMeco Ryans, Kendricks, Kiko Alonso, Brad Jones and Najee Goode at ILB. Within two years, all of those players will be gone while Hicks remains a key cog in our defense for years to come.

  190. 190 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:22 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Yes sir. Take the kid with the best chance at being a game,changer at whatever position this draft provides

  191. 191 Anders said at 3:49 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Agree, thats what Baltimore always have done. Pick the talent over need.

  192. 192 GermanEagle said at 5:49 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Give me Calvin Cook in the draft and Terrell Pryor in FA and the Eagles should be matching up very well with the Cowboys at QB, RB and WR for the long term.

  193. 193 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Id take Davis in the 1st with DJax in FA. Gallman is playing today for Clemson hes the RB i would have if cant get Cook.

  194. 194 FairOaks said at 6:01 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Only issue there is that we would still just have young WRs who are learning the position — I would *really* like a vet receiver, who knows the tricks, and can lead by example. Maybe a better (proven, veteran) WR coach would help fix that issue, but… would like at least one known commodity at WR, instead of just potential.

  195. 195 Media Mike said at 6:31 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I can’t join you on Pryor. He’s an unfocused head case and isn’t worth that type of payday off of one year playing WR.

  196. 196 myartz04 said at 7:13 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Every where he’s been he’s had teammates public talk about what an asshole he is. No thanks.

  197. 197 BobSmith77 said at 5:51 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I actually kind of agree with this a bit:

    Freddie Mitchell

    3 hours ago

    Greg Lewis was a coach 1 year. Wtf. He doesn’t play. How’s that his fault? THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT AGHOLOR. This shit is real.

  198. 198 BobSmith77 said at 5:55 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Even Roseman was likely more at fault given the guys he acquired last offseason including trading for DGB and signing two guys who didn’t even make it out of camp (Givens and Randle).

  199. 199 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:11 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Or it’s all on the front office for taking young WR’s to play bigger roles before they were ready to handle it. Chip got rid of starters assuming he could draft a kid who can start day 1… Not every great NFL WR was ready to start in his first two seasons. Smart GMs, draft a player and wait Til he grows enough to prove he is ready before getting rid of the veteran starter.
    Doug Prderson sure sounded like he has high hopes for DGB, singling him out as a young talent Doug wants to personally work with this offseason to help reach his astronomical potential
    Clearly our WRs weren’t ready to fill the major roles thrust upon them early in their career when They were still trying to transition to the pro game but it’s still so young in their careers that I won’t rip the Eagles if they think it’s too soon to give up on them and want to try and help them realize more of their potential as long as they add at least 1 WR thru the draft, FA, or a trade.

  200. 200 FairOaks said at 6:20 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    It was probably not the best situation using a rookie WR coach with a bunch of WRs who all needed good coaching — I’m sure it’s best for a coach to start off his career with some veteran players, or learn behind a more veteran coach. I guess Bicknell qualified, though was only a WR coach for one year before coming to the Eagles (longtime offensive assistant, but only OL/TE at NFL level before).

    Not sure you can blame Lewis for Agholor, but I’m not sure that any WR improved at all. But sometimes good coaches can help you out at a position where you don’t have the best talent — and trying to make productive players out of other teams’ castoffs (see Hogan in NE). None of that happened here, though that was what they were banking on.

  201. 201 Gian GEAGLE said at 6:23 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Pederson said he wants to personally work with DGB this summer

  202. 202 Sb2bowl said at 6:38 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    How can Freddie tweet from prison? Damn, he’s got good hands

  203. 203 BobSmith77 said at 9:35 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I think he is out.

  204. 204 Sb2bowl said at 10:27 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Hopefully; I’d hate to see where (and how) he stashed that cell phone

  205. 205 Bert's Bells said at 6:50 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    He has a point. It’s not Lewis’ fault the WRs suck.

    But, someone else mentioned the other day that if you’re weak at a position like the Eagles an inexperienced coach might not be the best way to get the most out them.

    Lewis can still be a good coach, but the situation requires a guy who has a stronger track record.

    Basically, the WR stink. It’s not the coach’s fault, he’s just in over his head. Best to add a coach with more experience and see what he can do.

  206. 206 sonofdman said at 6:55 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Well, if anyone would know about being a shitty underachieving bust of a first round wide receiver, it would be Freddie Mitchell.

  207. 207 sonofdman said at 7:00 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I don’t agree. We as fans have no way of knowing how much was a position coaches fault and how much was just the players. But if the organization, and Pederson in particular, thinks that Lewis didn’t do a good enough job developing the wide receivers then get him out of there and bring someone in who can do better. Pederson should know what to expect from a position coach, and if he doesn’t think Lewis can do it well enough, he has to make that move.

  208. 208 aron said at 7:43 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    well they actually never showed any thing good in games, actually they regressed, so thats on coaching as much as its on the players, now that i have spoken, I shall rest my finger pads

  209. 209 Gary Barnes said at 10:25 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Freddie and his hands are dead to me

  210. 210 anon said at 6:24 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Mike Pettine coaching jags. Tom Coughline head of player personnel.

  211. 211 FairOaks said at 6:25 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Pettine or Marrone?

  212. 212 GermanEagle said at 6:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  213. 213 anon said at 6:57 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Marrone? Can’t decide if that’s better or worse.

  214. 214 Nailed It! said at 7:10 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Pettine interviewed for the Washington DC position today. It was Marrone who was hired by the Jags.

  215. 215 anon said at 6:59 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    So after Dallas loses this weekend what do we have to look forward to, FA? What hot WR coaches will be available?

    Anyone worth paying attention to tonight? I’ve watched a lot less CFB since everyone from Ohio State graduated.

    Over under on Chip’s next job?

  216. 216 Bert's Bells said at 7:02 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I go with quality control coach under Belichick for Chip.

  217. 217 Dave said at 7:02 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    #7 Clemson WR Mike Williams. Possible 1st round target.

  218. 218 scratcherk said at 7:21 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Dallas losing is the gift that keeps giving and will provide us warmth through the cold winter months.

  219. 219 Media Mike said at 7:34 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  220. 220 P_P_K said at 9:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    We can still look forward to NE losing.

  221. 221 scratcherk said at 7:20 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    So 3 QBs (Trubisky, Kizer, Watson), 2 safeties (Hooker, Adams), 1-2 RBs (Fournette, Cook) will go before we pick. Add in two DEs to go top 5 (Garrett and Allen). That’s 9 players — most of which we dont need/can’t get. Should be a decent player available at 14.

  222. 222 Fufina said at 7:34 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Not sure all 3 QB’s go before us, nor that Adams does at Safety. Think there is a good chance both Fournette and Cook might be there. We are really early in the process.

  223. 223 Media Mike said at 7:34 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    That’s loser talk.

  224. 224 Ryan Rambo said at 7:41 PM on January 9th, 2017:

  225. 225 BobSmith77 said at 7:41 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Billy McCullen for next Eagles’ WR coach!

  226. 226 myartz04 said at 7:45 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile!

  227. 227 myartz04 said at 7:53 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Wait nevermind. I read that as Billy McMullen lol

  228. 228 Ryan Rambo said at 8:07 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Me too damnit! Who is BIlly McCullen??

  229. 229 BobSmith77 said at 8:18 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    It was a typo on my part.

  230. 230 Ryan Rambo said at 8:45 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Well in that case, how bout Hank Baskett?

  231. 231 Corry said at 9:54 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Kevin Curtis or bust.

  232. 232 Mitchell said at 8:15 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    You know what Corey Davis does well? Catch! Especially contested balls. Both of which yhe offense sorely needs.

  233. 233 Jernst said at 8:45 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    He’s also a polished route runner that moves exceptionally well with the ball in his hands once he does make the catch. I’m all aboard the Corey Davis train!

  234. 234 Mitchell said at 9:19 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    His hitch route, for a guy his size, is to die for. The more I talk about him the more I get excited!

  235. 235 Media Mike said at 9:30 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I saw him called TO by a few.

  236. 236 Ryan Rambo said at 8:47 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Which position impacts our offense bigger from this draft? RB or WR?
    Would you rather have Corey Davis or Dalvin Cook in the 1st?

  237. 237 daveH said at 8:48 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  238. 238 GENETiC-FREAK said at 8:48 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Corey Davis. Eagles as a team have done well with who we had back there at RB. WR we have had no production at all.

  239. 239 PacificPurl said at 4:28 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Wouldn’t it be great to find a Richardson or Baldwin middraft. Nobodies coming from college. But great hands and route running in the pros.

  240. 240 Mitchell said at 9:14 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    That’s tough brother. Common themes tell you that RBs are devalued and we can get “similar” production from an rb in the third. However, an RB touches the ball much more than a WR. Cook is special but special at a devalued position making him a bit less…. special. On the other hand Davis is special for a WR who are harder to find, making him especially special at a special position. I go Davis.

  241. 241 A_T_G said at 9:59 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    That was my thinking, too, combined with warning myself not to get sucked in to the RB idea by the success Dallas found.

    The thought of a guy that is a legit great RB AND can be a weapon in the passing game is interesting, though. I would gladly spend a first round pick on someone with the versatility and ability to put pressure on defensive alignments that Westbrook used to provide.

  242. 242 PacificPurl said at 4:25 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Westbrook. I still wear the jersey on game day. Or even a younger Sproles.

  243. 243 Insomniac said at 9:46 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    RB. Dalvin Cook would add a steady presence for us. Davis has his fair share of issues that will make him have growing pains for awhile. I’m not as high on Davis as other guys are though so there’s that too.

  244. 244 GermanEagle said at 9:00 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Carson Wentz will be so much better than Desaun Watson.

  245. 245 Sean Stott said at 9:02 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    ehh Watson is a 3rd round talent not even close to Wentz.

  246. 246 Media Mike said at 9:03 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    shhhhhhhhhhhhh; we need Watson to go before 14.

  247. 247 Sean Stott said at 9:09 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I wish, that would mean 4 picks spent on QBs before us.

  248. 248 Media Mike said at 9:14 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  249. 249 Mitchell said at 9:15 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Browns pick him.

  250. 250 Media Mike said at 9:17 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Hopefully the analytics guys have them take QBs with both picks.

  251. 251 Mitchell said at 9:23 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Pulling some Kevin Kostner in Draft Day.

  252. 252 BobSmith77 said at 9:34 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    That movie was even worse than I thought it would even by lowly in-flight entertainment options.

  253. 253 Sean Stott said at 10:07 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Over Kizer? Only if they’re dumb

  254. 254 A_T_G said at 10:12 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Did you just say “Only if they’re dumb” as a reason the Browns won’t do something?

  255. 255 Sean Stott said at 10:23 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Yea I had to add that because it’s definitely possible

  256. 256 Mitchell said at 10:52 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    We are talking about the Browns!

  257. 257 GermanEagle said at 9:05 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I apologise. Thought some draft nicks had him going in the 1st…

  258. 258 Media Mike said at 9:06 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    They do. But I think Sean is articulating where the dude should really go.

  259. 259 GermanEagle said at 9:14 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    I know… 😉

  260. 260 holeplug said at 9:06 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    ya. like 14 of his 17 INTs this year came from the pocket with zero pressure on him. Just not very accurate where you need to be. Great college player tho.

  261. 261 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 9:45 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    We need a team to draft him before 14….

  262. 262 mtn_green said at 9:19 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Fun to think what kind of wr would be best for Wentz?

    So sad to watch wentz air it out after dodging dlinemen for 7 secs, to see wr not finishing route.

  263. 263 Mitchell said at 9:23 PM on January 9th, 2017:


  264. 264 daveH said at 1:19 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Thus Corey Davis. Huge hands, big kid, runs fluid like Vick, seems yo be very good kud.

  265. 265 scratcherk said at 9:38 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Can we have the freak without the freak personality?

    Burner is the lowest priority I think if compared with other traits

  266. 266 Insomniac said at 9:39 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Julio or Megatron (all of the above)

  267. 267 PacificPurl said at 4:21 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Brown. Elite wide out, YAC, downfield or across the middle, yet blocks for others, returns punts, plays ST on onside kicks and has a sense of humor!

  268. 268 Media Mike said at 9:33 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Anybody else here in the “Andy wouldn’t take a RB in round 1, so I don’t expect Doug to” group?

  269. 269 Tumtum said at 9:39 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    But Doug reaped the benefits of Shady and Charles, elite backs….though not first rounders…so… I dunno

  270. 270 Insomniac said at 9:40 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Doug has proven that he’s not anything like Andy so far.

  271. 271 Mac said at 9:27 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Yes. I think Doug knows what he wants, and knows he can get it outside of Rd 1.

  272. 272 BobSmith77 said at 9:47 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    My favorite debate so far this week in Boston is about how the Pats shouldn’t even start Brady this week & risk losing him to injury.

    Certainly would be an NFL precedent.

  273. 273 RobNE said at 10:36 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Where do you live? I am out past foxboro.

  274. 274 BobSmith77 said at 11:09 PM on January 9th, 2017:

    Travel to Boston a lot for work and it has been a topic on WEEI this week.

  275. 275 anon said at 12:05 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Clemson making it a a game. 2 ballsy plays from Mike Willians on this drive.

  276. 276 anon said at 12:12 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    I can see the benefits of a running Qb. Clemson looking demoralized.

  277. 277 laeagle said at 12:32 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    I can see the benefits of receivers who catch. I was pretty amazed by what I saw out of Mike Williams. He’s gone by 15.

  278. 278 anon said at 12:39 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    yeah he made himself a bunch of money today.

  279. 279 laeagle said at 12:55 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Random note: I don’t watch a lot of college ball, but I was really impressed with Herbstreit as a color commentator. Am I crazy? I also know from a friend who’s a sportscaster out there that he (Herbstreit) is truly nice guy.

    Why can’t we have NFL announcers who provide insightful commentary without seeming like caricatures of themselves? Guys who know the game, can speak intelligently about it, and who don’t feel they need to prove how much they know on every play. Why? Instead, we get Phil Simms.

  280. 280 Insomniac said at 1:06 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Saban is probably pissed that his QB sucks so much. Mike Williams is the #1 WR for me unless Corey Davis has a Chris Conley workout and Williams’s medical freaks us out, Marlon Humphrey is going to be at least a top 50 CB. Watson’s stock rose but he’s going to get picked apart. Luckily Dak had a good season so guys like Kizer/Watson might get more than one or two looks from QB needy teams.

  281. 281 Howie Littlefinger said at 2:39 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Anyone else wish we had Clemson WR corp instead of our WR Corpse?

  282. 282 Rob Jarratt said at 8:13 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Good play on words, bro, but it would be better if you spelled it “corps.” Or maybe you meant corporation.

  283. 283 PacificPurl said at 4:33 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    FYI. Ryan Day going to work for Urban Meyer at Theee Ohio State. Two years out of New Hampshire. In his retirement speech some day, he’ll be thanking you-know-who.

  284. 284 GermanEagle said at 8:17 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    “F u Allen Iverson!!!”

  285. 285 Anders said at 9:46 AM on January 10th, 2017:

    Hasnt he always been a fan of the Cowboys?

  286. 286 Ryan Rambo said at 11:11 AM on January 10th, 2017:

  287. 287 A_T_G said at 1:51 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    Is this video your own work?

  288. 288 Ryan Rambo said at 4:20 PM on January 10th, 2017:

    No sir. I just try and find the most useful, quality items and share.