Words Matter

Posted: February 19th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 121 Comments »

Did you hear?

That would be great if the Eagles could deal Barwin. It would help the cap situation and it would be nice to get something in return, even if just a late round pick.

There is only one problem. This tweet is based on a piece written by Mark Eckel. It is pure speculation. Eckel said those teams “could have interest”. There is nothing wrong with what he did, but someone made the jump from that to the idea that there are teams definitely interested.

That came from a piece by Mike Jones of the Washington Post. The problem is that Jones was just speculating and named the Eagles as a team “expected” to be interested in Garcon. The Eagles have the worst (or close to it) set of WRs in the league. NFL writers and analysts know the Eagles need help. Expecting them to have interest in a free agent receiver is obvious, not insight. Jones implies he knows something by using the word “expected”, but doesn’t go all the way and say the Eagles will have interest. To me, this means he is simply speculating.

Every offseason I have to write a piece on how confusing this time of the year can be. You have to know who to trust and you have to read things very carefully to understand whether they are reporting something or just speculating.

The biggest issue has to do with sources. Some people get a lot of info from agents. The problem there is that agents have agendas. If they offer legit news, the item will still have a positive slant for their client. Other times the agent is lying and trying to generate rumors about their client. Good writers can usually tell what is legit and what isn’t, but there are times when even a veteran writer will go with a errant report.

Jay Glazer is the one guy I trust implicitly. He doesn’t report that much, but when he’s got a nugget, it is real. He isn’t a middle man for agents. Glazer has ties to a lot of players and coaches. He knows what is actually going on.

Most of the national guys are solid. Adam Schefter gets more scoops than anyone, but he will be wrong at times. Ian Rapoport, Albert Breer, John Clayton and Jason La Canfora are all worth following on Twitter and keeping up with. They all have some good connections. La Canfora seems to be the guy with the closest ties to the Eagles of that group. That doesn’t mean you have to trust everything he writes, but at least pay attention to what he puts out there.

All of the local guys that I have met in person are stand up guys who work hard to develop sources and get information. Les Bowen, Jeff McLane, Tim McManus, Zach Berman and even Jimmy Bama do their best to provide you with breaking news.

We’ll have all kinds of news and rumors coming out soon. The Scouting Combine is about 10 days away and then free agency starts on March 9th. Teams and agents will do a ton of talking in that time frame. Read every nugget and every report that you can, but make sure to be careful so you can figure out what is a rumor and what’s actually got some substance to it.

Rumors can be fun, but also very misleading.

The crazy thing about this time of the year is that no one knows what is going to happen, even the teams. The Eagles might desperately want to sign Alshon Jeffery, but there are 31 other teams that could be involved. And you never know what the player wants. I remember years ago when the Eagles really wanted CB Fred Thomas. He came to visit and then decided he wanted to stay in New Orleans. Thomas snuck out of town and headed home. Back in 2010 the Eagles were desperate for Julius Peppers. Before they could make a run at him, Lovie Smith was already in town talking to him. Peppers headed to the Windy City and the Eagles were forced to change their plans.

Stay tuned. The next month should be very interesting.


121 Comments on “Words Matter”

  1. 1 Words Matter - said at 6:09 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Did you hear? Report: Packers, Colts and Ravens are interested in trading for Eagles DE Connor […]

  2. 2 Dave said at 6:13 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    This article describes Bleeding Green Nation perfectly. If the tweet starts with the word “report”, it’s probably someone’s speculation to generate page views.

  3. 3 GordonGekko said at 8:35 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Every website is clickbait, that’s why journalism has suffered.

  4. 4 Fufina said at 6:15 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    I doubt Barwin clears wavers if cut. His contract is reasonable (especially compared to where free agent market will be) and he is a great team guy, but most importantly it contains 0 guarantees at all. Barwin is great for any team with a need at OLB, because he is the perfect bridge to a younger draft pick.

    If you miss on draft night then just pay and play Barwin and get solid production, if you find someone with more upside just cut him in camp having paid him nothing.

    Because of this teams at the bottom of the waver list will be willing to trade a little for him because there is a good chance he does not make it to them (i would pick him up if i was the Browns). Will you get much more than a 6th? unlikely but it is always useful. Think we should be able to pick up 2-3 picks for Barwin/Kelce/Kendricks even if they are all late round ones.

  5. 5 Dave said at 6:38 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Barwin is a vested vet and not subject to waivers. He would be a free agent able to sign with any team.

  6. 6 Fufina said at 7:04 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    sigh forgot about that entirely. Although the points about how nice his contract is probably remain true.

  7. 7 Dave said at 7:39 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    I have a hard time believing somebody would be willing to give up anything for Barwin’s $17M contract. Although, I’m pretty sure I thought the same thing about DeMarco and Maxwell last year too. I also can’t see Barwin restructuring to facilitate a trade either.

    I do see Kelce fetching a late-round pick.

  8. 8 Nick C said at 7:41 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    A restructuring just allows him to receive guaranteed money, and his cap hit with his new team would be lower because of no prorated signing bonus. Thus his contract would be pretty friendly for a 3-4 OLB that probably still has a few years left.

  9. 9 Dave said at 8:06 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Not sure I follow. He is owed $7.75M in 2017 and $10.25M for 2018. How would you restructure that? The only 3-4 OLBs making that kind of money are Pro Bowlers.

  10. 10 CrackSammich said at 8:28 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    No dead money next year. Means that the 2018 contract terms were written to be voided, Banner style.

  11. 11 CrackSammich said at 7:59 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    “I have a hard time believing somebody would be willing to give up anything for Barwin’s $17M contract. ”

    His contract has no dead money next year. That’s a one year, $7.75mil in every possible way except one.

    (But if you want to count all of it, there’s a $1mil roster bonus next season for a total of $18mil.)


  12. 12 Dave said at 8:17 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    I just don’t see is a team trading an asset for an older decking player for a one-year deal. Then he either gets cut or has to sign a new contract.

  13. 13 Fufina said at 8:26 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    late round picks are not much of an asset at all. Their % chance of resulting in anything useful are not significantly better than top tier undrafted free agents. Giving up a few % chance of landing a useful player to ensure you have continuity and a functional roster is probably well worth it – especially in a league with $1.2bil in cap space and little quality in free agency.

  14. 14 Dave said at 8:57 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Late round picks help balance out the salary cap. They may not turn into starters, but still have value.

  15. 15 CrackSammich said at 8:27 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Eh, if I were a GM, I’d be cleaning up on those deals. Most teams wayyyyy over value 6th and 7th round picks compared to the expected return. Barwin might be a declining player, but there is way more than the 5 % or so chance that the similarly valued 7th round rookie has of succeeding.

  16. 16 ChoTime said at 9:28 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Yep, so right.

  17. 17 Fufina said at 8:09 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Barwin will be paid £1,700 a week to be in training camp, and the team will not need to pay him a single cent of his $7.75m deal until September, not one cent of which is guaranteed until then.

  18. 18 Dave said at 8:14 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    I don’t follow your logic. Barwin is a good player and a team leader. I don’t see a team trading for him and then cutting him before the season starts to save money. What would that accomplish?

  19. 19 Fufina said at 8:21 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Team needs an OLB – either due to scheme change or just a lack of quality at the position. Barwin is a solid high character player who can come in and fill that role. However if you draft an OLB who wows you in camp, or a young player breaks out then suddenly you can move on and save some cap if needed.

    Imagine Barwin was a CB, Eagles could trade a late pick for him, minimise their risk of needing to force things in the draft or if the young draft picks are lost in camp, but still giving you the option to get younger/cheaper if you are able to.

  20. 20 Media Mike said at 6:49 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    I think the folks who start rumors that wind up being less than what we get in return for our players need to be punished in some way.

  21. 21 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 8:53 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Its just part of the game

  22. 22 Media Mike said at 6:33 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    The only game I want to seen played in pro sports is “we win!”

  23. 23 Insomniac said at 7:38 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Supposedly Wentz was practicing with Latavius Murray today. I liked Murray as a late round option that could have been groomed years ago and I still do think he has the skills that Doug would like. He most likely won’t cost much but I would rather draft a RB instead.

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 8:26 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Supposedly they have the same agent and that’s the extent of it.

  25. 25 Patrick said at 9:02 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    He is a UFA though, and would probably be a good replacement for Ryan Mathews.

    Likely won’t be very expensive, kinda guy you can bring in to split carries with a rookie, but someone who can carry the majority of the load if the rook isn’t performing or isn’t ready. Doesn’t have Mathews injuries. Doesnt really fumble. A very good RB in the RZ. A good compliment to Sproles too, a guy who rushes with a lot of power, but can break the big one off.

  26. 26 Tumtum said at 11:17 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    Kind of a plodder.

  27. 27 Media Mike said at 6:39 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I’d agree with Tumtum here; not a guy I’d want to add.

  28. 28 meteorologist said at 8:01 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    He’s only 27, wow. Was expecting 30+ for some reason

  29. 29 anon said at 2:39 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    O thought Oakland wanted to keep him? Is he going to be more expensive than Ryan Mathews?

  30. 30 Ray888 said at 1:26 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    So, since HR can’t talk directly to his QB during this period (as per CBA) and can’t talk to any free agents yet, HR talks to the agent who represents both. At some point after these practices, the agent will give HR a thumbs up or down on compatibility, chemistry, & fit. And offers will or won’t be made accordingly. My only question is while this horrible CBA was being negotiated, what was the third “Stooge” doing.

  31. 31 Anders said at 5:20 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    I rather draft a guy in the middle rounds

  32. 32 Sokhar20 said at 9:31 PM on February 19th, 2017:

    “By the time you read this, LeCharles Bentley will be an Eagle….”

  33. 33 Rob Jarratt said at 7:36 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I can’t let your pithy comment go by without comment, Sokhar20. Truly funny and apropos to the discussion.

  34. 34 Sb2bowl said at 10:50 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Remember that? Went to the Browns, first play of practice tore up his knee and he was done in the NFL. Crazy turn of events.

  35. 35 Sokhar20 said at 12:29 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    I never figured out if I was relieved because he didn’t sign with us and have that happen, or bitterly disappointed because he could have signed with us and the probability of that Series of Unfortunate Events happening with us instead was probably nil.

  36. 36 Sb2bowl said at 1:25 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    I’d vote for the later, but life is funny like that——— we had our own turn with Weaver. Signed the highest fullback contract ever, first game of the year he knee bent a way in which a knee should not bend, and he was done.

    Fortunately, both seem to be doing extremely well in their retirement. Happy for both of them. Especially Weaver

  37. 37 laeagle said at 12:36 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Man, Weaver was a fun guy to root for. Such a great runner at fullback. A really great weapon in Andy’s offense. Didn’t he have some crazy game where he put up over 100 yds? I vaguely remember that.

  38. 38 Sb2bowl said at 10:46 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Ya, against the Falcons- earned him his big paycheck (along with many other moments) but he had something like a 50+ yard catch and run, ran away from everyone but got tackled before reaching the end zone.

    Its a shame how his career ended; first with the Dallas playoff game with a huge fumble, then the game against Green Bay which ended his career.

    And we didn’t even have the nerve to cut him face to face, (I believe it was Howie at the time) we had some minion schlub call him and let him know he was released.

  39. 39 Sokhar20 said at 12:38 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Man I miss having the Weaver-Fever!

  40. 40 SteveH said at 12:36 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I’m confused about this Demarcus Cousins trade that just went down. The Sixers have the rights to swap picks with the Kings this year, but the Kings traded the pick away to the Pelicans. Does this mean we now have the right to swap with the Pels or what the hell is going on here?

    Also, lol at the Kings, they got jack shit for one of the best players in the league. Which also bodes well for their 2018 first rounder we have, their team is going to be absolute garbage.

    Edit: I should add that the Lakers pick this year is either looking very good or very bad. They’re currently 3rd worst in the league (pick is top 3 protected) but if they could sneak by Orlando or one of the other crappy teams near the bottom and finish 4th or 5th, that would be optimal.

    Sam Hinkie is the gift that keeps on giving.

  41. 41 lonfident said at 12:57 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    The Kings got the Pelicans 1st rounder, not the other way around.

  42. 42 SteveH said at 2:34 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    That makes more sense then, thanks.

  43. 43 Fufina said at 1:37 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    We have their 2019 1st (the 2018 pick got moved to 2019 when the Bulls did not get their 1st pick in 2016 and it got rolled over).

    Regardless its still a crazy good situation for the Sixers. Without Gay and Cousins (their best 2 players) they are going to sink like a stone in the rankings and will end up being a bottom 4 pick probably, which means get a fantastic chance to swap into the top 3 picks.

  44. 44 Media Mike said at 6:38 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I’m confused as to why they never got Okafor for the 3rd overall across the finish line and why now they’re probably never going to get value for him.

  45. 45 bdbd20 said at 7:08 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    The problem with Cousins is he’s a FA in 2018. His value is probably highest right now. There might not be a better offer out there.

    He’s friends with Wall and Bledsoe, so he could easily go to either of those teams.

  46. 46 SteveH said at 12:46 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    It’s a shame Barwin didn’t work out in the 4-3. Really likable player. When he blew by Joe Thomas 1 on 1 in week one for a solo sack I was very impressed and thought that he’d have a solid year. What a false signal that ended up being.

    For that matter, what the hell happened to our defensive line in the middle of the season? We went from wrecking crew to deadly silence, then towards the end of the year picked it up again.

    Everyone rags on the receivers and corners and rightly so, but I’ll be damned if I wasn’t completely wrong about Vinny Curry. I thought him being back at end in an attacking 4-3 would be perfect for him. His jump off the ball is insane and I figured he’d wrack up double digit sacks this year.

    How do you get 9 sacks as a situational DT rusher in a 3-4 2 gap scheme and only 2.5 as an almost 50% of snaps guy? He was my pick for breakout player of the year and I was dead wrong. If he doesn’t pick it up his contract is going to end up looking very foolish for us.

  47. 47 CrackSammich said at 2:16 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I’ve been tired of this narrative for 4 months now. Cox didn’t disappear. Neither did Graham. Curry had a bad year, sure, but it was made worse for the same reason the rest of the DL had a rough back half of the season; Our CBs couldn’t cover. Opposing offenses moved to a quick strike game plan and we couldn’t stop it. DL couldn’t get home because the ball was out before they could get there. That’s not to say that they were not disruptive the entire season.

  48. 48 SteveH said at 2:33 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    My apologies then.

  49. 49 Media Mike said at 6:36 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Agreed that Curry absolutely sucked, Cox and Graham took took much abuse, and the CBs (or the DC) not responding to play more press when teams when to quick strike was to blame.

  50. 50 Dave said at 8:52 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I’m anxious to see what happens with Curry this season. He is a local guy with a lot of pride in the Eagles and his play. Not sure what happened, but the burst didn’t seem to be there this season.

  51. 51 Sb2bowl said at 10:48 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Our CB’s were horrible; 10% improvement in their play and our line gets 4-6 more sacks on the season- who knows what happens from there.

    Mills isn’t great, but Schwartz likes him. We need a #1 CB from free agency, and probably need to draft another 2 just to add to the talent base. Preferably earlier rather than later.

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 6:35 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I agree. Barwin is the prototype teammate and leader off of the field, but he was flat out stealing money last year. Same as Curry.

  53. 53 Ankerstjernen said at 4:15 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Love the thinly veiled dig at Jimmy here. When will you guys ever do another podcast?

  54. 54 Media Mike said at 7:32 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Round 1 Pick 15: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 15 (BALT): Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (A)
    Round 3 Pick 10: Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 14 (BALT): Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 33 (COMP): Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas (B)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Tedric Thompson, SS, Colorado (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Jeremy Cutrer, CB, Middle Tennessee (B)

    I had to resist trading down from 15 here, but I’m really going to try to stick to standing pat in round one and/or not going below pick 19. Jimmy had posted something about the 20th pick and later being the Rubicon the Eagles must not cross due to prior year talent issues at 20th and later.

    So hopefully I drafted the ROY in Davis, a guy who can play some at CB, 2018’s starting RT, our starting LG (Asiata is D3’s guy, so I’m holding him to that), a solid RB to put in rotation, a 3rd DT, 2018 replacement for Celek at blocking TE, non-Watkins safety depth, and back end of the roster 5th or p-squad CB.

  55. 55 Sb2bowl said at 10:45 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    That was a good article- something to the effect that the Eagles suck drafting after #20 in round 1 for the last 14 years, but before #20 we’ve hit on our picks.

    With the depth of talent of this draft, and the potential QB’s going in front of our pick- we may be able to snag a blue chip prospect a little lower than normal. Hopefully some of the QB’s kill their workouts at the Combine so that the propel up the draft boards.

    Corey Davis (IMO) will be as good or better than Mike Williams in the NFL. Personally, I like Davis better. Not sold on Tankersley depending on who is on the board, but he should be a scheme fit and he’s played against some really good competition.

    Other than Garcia (don’t know much about him) and Thompson (same) I’d be happy with this draft. Trading down for some more ammo in the first 4 rounds will be paramount, or if we’re able to trade some veterans for lower round compensation to package those picks and move up- either way we need to add depth and talent to this roster.

    Good draft. Hunt seems like a good rotational back, and how we use our RB rotation he should be a good fit.

  56. 56 eagleyankfan said at 7:54 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Guilty Guilty Guilty. That’s me raising my hand. Last year I was following two reports from multiple outlets and posted ‘definitive’ statements on what will and won’t happen. 1st up was the ongoing reports that the Colts GM and Coach were not getting along and the coach will be fired. Reports were of a bitter battle. So I stated that the coach will be fire(assumed GM had upper hand). He was never fired. Reports carried over to this year where the GM was fired.
    2nd up was the Chip Kelly constant reports saying execs weren’t happy with him. I ignored all that because of year 1 of his new ‘power’ victory within the org. Posted there’s no way he’d be fired. I stated if he was fired, we’d have at least another 3 year wait to be competitive. He was shortly fired.
    Sports media is no worse, no better than national news media. As T-Law warns, you have to take them with a grain of salt. Sometimes, as I have learned, where there’s smoke, there is fire….we are now in year 2 of that new(read my) 3 year plan to be competitive…Great read, thank you T-Law.

  57. 57 Ray888 said at 8:18 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Good advice to follow when reading anything in today’s world. In a day long gone, newspapers wouldn’t print anything as news without 3 sources confirming it; rumors & a speculation were labeled as such. Sadly, no longer.

  58. 58 Dave said at 8:50 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    In the world of politics, newspaper reporting has had a rebirth, especially investigative reporting on the national level. Sports are about entertainment and ratings to generate ad revenue, much like cable news.

  59. 59 Bert's Bells said at 9:39 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I don’t know of any print newspaper -even ones like the Delco Times -that doesn’t triple source everything. I have a few old friends who’ve been/are sportswriters. They take their jobs as seriously as someone on the national desk.

    Problem comes when readers can’t differentiate between news reporting and opinion.

    The web, of course, is a whole new thing.

  60. 60 Dave said at 9:59 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Scoops and breaking news requiring verification of sources seems very minimal in the sports world. Most of the scoops are more about teams/agents leaking information, or they are about “breaking news” 5 minutes before anyone else.

    Outside of the DeSean gang affiliation piece a few yeas ago by NJ.com, when was the last time any type of investigative reporting was done about the Eagles? I honestly can’t remember. Even Jimmy’s initial piece on DeSean being cut was a speculative piece with no reference to a “source”. It was a “throw shit against the wall and take credit for what sticks” journalistic endeavor.

  61. 61 Bert's Bells said at 10:08 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Yeah, that’s essentially blogging. Jimmy’s always been upfront when he’s speculating and tends to remind us that it’s guesswork on his part. What he does that I like is show the reason behind his guess -like with DeSean.

  62. 62 ChoTime said at 10:09 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Compared to our other national news, sports reporting seems quaint and innocuous.

  63. 63 D3FB said at 10:41 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    The initial piece was sourced OTR. GMs often communicate with each other through the media.

  64. 64 Ray888 said at 9:41 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Don’t see it any rebirth at all. Used to read 3 national papers daily, plus a couple of others once a week. Quality has diminished to the point where I read only one paper now (and even that one is not what it was in terms of in depth quality reporting.

  65. 65 Dave said at 9:44 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    The Washington Post is killing it right now.

  66. 66 laeagle said at 12:32 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    And the NYT. They don’t talk about it, but they still check sources with that same rigor. People who criticize don’t often realize that. Doesn’t mean they’re always right, but they’re at least trying to be.

    What a world we live in where Teen Vogue is now doing good journalism. You might not agree with these sources I list, or find them “bias” (sic), but they are doing great journalism.

  67. 67 Ankerstjernen said at 3:31 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Along with the ‘failing’ NYT.

  68. 68 anon said at 12:10 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Better to ask for forgiveness than permission is today’s motto

  69. 69 Rellihcs said at 2:21 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Who told you that?

  70. 70 Forthebirds said at 8:51 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Since words matter, what’s with the “even” Jimmy Bama? I know he is given to occasional bouts of whimsy, but does that mean he is less reliable? You and he are the first sites I read each morning.

  71. 71 ChoTime said at 10:07 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    They’re old friends and like to rib each other in their articles.

  72. 72 Sb2bowl said at 10:37 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Were you around for BloggingTheBeast?

    Uncle Jimmy’s story time was classic, I wish it’d come back occasionally

  73. 73 A_T_G said at 11:09 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Pretty sure he can’t get away with that now that he has gone all corporate.

  74. 74 Sb2bowl said at 11:10 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Perhaps he can post as Kimmy Jempski?

  75. 75 A_T_G said at 11:11 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Story time with Uncle Kimmy takes on a whole new flavor.

  76. 76 Mac said at 11:52 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I like Asian food.

  77. 77 Corry said at 9:44 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Isn’t that a section in the Pyongyang Post?

  78. 78 Ray888 said at 12:42 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Have a PBR & read sentence again. If you still don’t get it, repeat until you do.

  79. 79 fezurp said at 9:28 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Eckels piece on Barwin actually quoted NFC personel exec. Wasn’t baseless. Just saying… maybe read the article.

  80. 80 D3FB said at 9:31 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    You mean Tom Gamble

  81. 81 Sb2bowl said at 10:36 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    Is he still employed?

  82. 82 D3FB said at 10:38 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    SF hasn’t cut him loose yet

  83. 83 Sb2bowl said at 10:39 AM on February 20th, 2017:


    Probably why Chip got the ax; “its either you and him, or just him”.

    Bye Bye Chip

  84. 84 D3FB said at 10:43 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    … but howies the snake.

    I think Lynch probably keeps him for a while. He’d be smart to get as much experience (even if that means differing opinions) in the room for the next year or two while he figures life out.

  85. 85 PacificPurl said at 4:33 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    It was Baalke not Gamble. Facts please.

  86. 86 Sb2bowl said at 10:46 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Sure- post the link.

  87. 87 Sean Stott said at 1:07 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Would love to know why he was escorted from the building

  88. 88 FairOaks said at 2:29 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    The exec did not name teams. The sources just said that multiple suitors would line up if Barwin was cut. The quote from the exec was: “If they cut him, teams will be lining up for him. […] I would think they could trade him and get something back. He has value. His deal this year isn’t that bad.”

    So, the source basically said that multiple teams would be interested in him as a free agent — not really news, but OK. Logically then, a subset may still be interested in a trade, as the contract is tradable. That’s all the exec really said. Then, Eckel appears to speculate on three specific teams, but there is no quote or source directly associated with those three teams — they just happen to be teams with cap room which run a 3-4, which was Eckel’s criteria. That is a very sensible criteria if you are a GM looking for teams to call, but there was no source which indicated that any of those three are actually in talks, at least the way Eckel worded it.

  89. 89 fezurp said at 2:40 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    So I guess I read it slightly differently to you and fill in the blanks a bit.

    Eckel has a source (and Tom Gamble made me lol probably an accurate guesstimation) and has had a chat with him and written this article based on things that he was told by this NFC personnel guy.

    The fact that in the same article he lists the interested teams to me I just read that as the personnel guy has asked not to be quoted on it but has tipped Eckel off as to who they are… as that’s my understanding off how journalism works a lot of the time.

    Granted, fair to disagree with my reading of it. I suppose my main point is though, it is not a baseless article that eckel has fabricated and then BGN have haplessly regurgitated as was suggested. Eckel has at least done some degree of research with an NFC exec in formation of the article.

  90. 90 FairOaks said at 2:48 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Eckel put the source’s quotes early in the article, then segued into (from my reading) his speculation. Eckel’s quote: “Among the teams who could have interest in Barwin are the Green Bay Packers, the Baltimore Ravens and the Indianapolis Colts to name just three. All of those teams have room under the cap and not coincidentally all three teams use a 3-4 defensive scheme.” Not one reference to the source, other than the next sentence where the source agreed that Barwin was a much better fit in the 3-4. But nothing to indicate that the teams are actually in talks, and the “could have” phrasing basically states he is speculating.

    But yes, there is nothing wrong at all with Eckel’s article — he did research, got some quotes, and then did some educated guessing based on that information. It was others who then connected his mention of the three teams with an actual source, which Eckel did not do. Those others are the problem.

  91. 91 LionoJezzurp said at 2:56 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Eckel strikes me as a bit of an old school journo and quite well connected so I suppose that colours the way I read it to an extent too. I kind of inherently assume he would be a bit more cautious putting his name on stuff that was unfounded.

    But yeah not trying to play devils advocate too much, especially as when I first saw the headline I just assumed it was the Eagles putting it out to aid any negotiations.

  92. 92 Dave said at 9:38 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    From MMQB this morning: “There isn’t a day that I don’t think about it. There’s no doubt we have to identify a franchise quarterback.”

    —GM Steve Keim of the Cardinals, to Arizona Sports 98.7 FM.

    I hope that is not mentioned about the Eagles for at least another 15 years.

  93. 93 Will Ft. Daft Punk said at 9:40 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I hope it also means they take a QB with their first pick

  94. 94 Rellihcs said at 2:19 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    He should’ve said “I think about it every day”.

  95. 95 Dave said at 3:40 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    This is the picture I have in my mind…


  96. 96 Sb2bowl said at 10:38 AM on February 20th, 2017:

    I can’t wait for Frank Gore to sign with us; he’s going to be the piece that we need in order to get Chip’s offense over the top. Watch and see!

  97. 97 Mr. Magee said at 4:19 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Mark Eckel, lol… What he says, bet the exact opposite – you’ll soon be rich.

  98. 98 aron said at 4:37 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    did greg olson get in trouble today

  99. 99 Tdoteaglefan said at 5:37 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    no his younger brother the college QB (and a real pos thug) did. He got arrested again…this time for rape.

  100. 100 Sean Stott said at 6:10 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    obligatory ‘at least he didn’t smoke pot’ joke

  101. 101 aron said at 8:08 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    yeah, I caught the tail end of a news report

  102. 102 Ryan Rambo said at 6:30 PM on February 20th, 2017:


    The Cowboys restructured the contracts of LT Tyron Smith and C Travis Frederick, freeing up $17.3 million under the salary cap.
    They both dropped their base salaries to the veteran minimum, converting the difference into a “signing” bonus. The Cowboys do this every year, and it has allowed them to keep highly-paid veterans while supplementing the back end of their roster with cheaper talent. It’s also why hitting on Dak Prescott was such a huge development for the franchise. Once they part with Tony Romo, Dallas will go from having one of the NFL’s tightest cap situations to one of the best.

  103. 103 Dave said at 7:04 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    “Once they part with Tony Romo, Dallas will go from having one of the NFL’s tightest cap situations to one of the best.”


    Dallas will still be near the bottom in cap space and nowhere close to one of the best, unless they can free up another 60 to 70 million.

  104. 104 Ryan Rambo said at 7:32 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Glad to hear it Dave! Glad to hear it!! #fawkDallass

  105. 105 Dave said at 7:36 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    My dream season would be for Dak to regress Nick Foles-style while Tony Romo leads the Chiefs to the Superbowl, but eventually lose to the Eagles.

  106. 106 sonofdman said at 8:07 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Sounds good to me.

  107. 107 Ryan Rambo said at 8:10 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Me too!

  108. 108 Ankerstjernen said at 3:37 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Also, this could actually happen. its not that far out.

  109. 109 Fufina said at 1:27 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Tyron Smith next year will be counting nearly $18mil against the cap with a staggering $8mil in pro rated bonus. That basically is QB money,

    Cutting Romo and doing those restructures leaves the Cowboys with about $7mil of cap space, but they still have 6-7 free agents this year – 5 of which were starters last year. while they will have $56mil in cap space currently in 2018 (but with another 3-4 starters as free agents then), they will fill that in with back loaded contracts and further restructures to try and retain some of their depth and roll players.

    All of which will waste most of the window they have with cheap Dak as they will loose multiple starters and be stuck with mountains of prorated money weiging down their cap just as he is looking to get extended in 3 years time.

  110. 110 Anders said at 3:29 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    Dallas has been saved by the rapid increasing salary cap. Yes the eagles have been saved this year as well but only because Kelly had no clue about the salary cap

  111. 111 PacificPurl said at 4:29 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    The Eagles don’t have someone named Kelly doing contracts. And nearly all of the current players were signed by Howie, with Lurie’s approval.

  112. 112 Anders said at 2:29 PM on February 22nd, 2017:

    Kelly left a mess after his 2015 signing spree

  113. 113 Ankerstjernen said at 3:38 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    It just postpones their issues though. The money will still count against the cap, the signing bonus is prorated, right? So the cap hits are just higher in the future. Its very much a ‘win now’ kind of cap management, and I dont mind the cowboys operating this way at all. Its stupid.

  114. 114 soundbonz said at 7:23 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Most people can distinguish speculation from legitimate reports. It requires reading more than the headline or tweet.

  115. 115 Dave said at 7:57 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Unless you’re reading fake news.

  116. 116 Froogal Stoodent said at 9:19 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    It is probably a stretch to say “most people,” since most people don’t bother to read more than the headline or tweet!

    Of those that do, however, you’re probably right.

    And it’s worth noting that Tommy is still the best 🙂

  117. 117 laeagle said at 12:25 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    If you follow Paul Domowitch on Twitter, you’d realize how wrong that is. About 30% of his tweets are responding to people arguing about what he didn’t say in his article that they never read.

  118. 118 CrackSammich said at 12:26 AM on February 21st, 2017:

    You clearly don’t follow current events.

  119. 119 daveH said at 8:04 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Its been said that words cant hurt you ..

  120. 120 mtn_green said at 10:39 PM on February 20th, 2017:

    Pre trump logic. Sad.

  121. 121 GordonGekko said at 7:08 PM on February 22nd, 2017:

    None of the local Philly reporters know shit. CSN, Philly, BGN nor the other locals have any inside info on Eagles trades/moves or anything. I stay with Ian, Schefter, Glazer, La Canfora, they know what’s happening, the rest get after.