What’s on Sale?

Posted: March 29th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 146 Comments »

We all love a good bargain. Howie Roseman and Joe Douglas are no different, so they made a couple of moves today.

Is the roster complete? No. Are the Eagles headed to the Super Bowl? Probably not.

But these were a pair of good moves. Long joins Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry to give the Eagles a talented trio of pass rushers. Jim Schwartz likes to rotate his rushers so it is critical to have at least 3 players you feel strongly about. Long might start. Curry might start. That will work itself out in Training Camp. The key is that the team now has a trio of guys that can pressure the passer.

Long played in a similar scheme during his time with the Rams. He was good at lining up out wide and attacking off the edge. He understands the rush angles and how to keep contain on run plays. He is a good fit on and off the field. Long is a veteran player and high character guy. He will fill the shoes of Connor Barwin. Don’t expect him to be as good off the field, but let’s hope he’s better on it (as a 4-3 DE).

Robinson is more of a risk. He has 49 career starts, but is far from a sure thing. Jimmy Bama broke the story of the Eagles and Robinson and has a few details on him here.

The Eagles needed a veteran CB to add to the mix. Robinson is a veteran and he does have some talent. He hasn’t been a consistently good player in his career and that’s part of the reason he was still on the market. Robinson is the kind of guy you sign this time of the year and hope he plays well for you. Sometimes a veteran will finally get into the right situation and will play the best football of his career.

Lorenzo Alexander was a good role player until 2016. The man who had 9 sacks in 9 years came out of nowhere to have 12.5 sacks and play like Lawrence Taylor. He was in great physical shape and things finally clicked for him as a positional player. He’s the anomaly of course, but the point is that talented players can play well for you if things come together for them.

I need to watch tape of Robinson before offering much of an opinion. At the very least, he is competition for a CB job.


Do these signings affect the draft at all? Yes and no.

The Eagles still need to add a pair of CBs. Robinson’s presence doesn’t change that.

DE is a bit different. The Eagles don’t need someone at this point, but they will likely still want to add a young, talented rusher. They could do that in the 1st round or they could wait til the later rounds and take a chance on someone that could have time to develop. This is a talented group of pass rushers. There are some real interesting guys who could be available in rounds 5-7.

Hunter Dimick – Utah
Keionta Davis – UTC
Avery Moss – Youngstown State
Deatrich Wise – Arkansas

I’m just throwing some names out there. We don’t know who the Eagles like.

Your goal is to be able to go into the draft and focus on talent over need. Adding Long and Robinson helps, but it doesn’t take CB and DE off the table at all.


146 Comments on “What’s on Sale?”

  1. 1 Howie Littlefinger said at 5:09 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I agree this could open up BPA or indicate a surprise move like RB (if RB round 1 is a surprise for u)

    I like these moves more because of the flexibility than the actual players themselves

  2. 2 Rellihcs said at 6:07 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I think Long is a clear upgrade from Barwin for this year though.

  3. 3 Howie Littlefinger said at 7:36 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I agree 100%. I really hope this means that we get whoever they like the most at whatever position they happen to play at

  4. 4 Iskar36 said at 8:05 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I agree. As much as we like to say the Eagles will focus on BPA, with such clear glaring holes at CB in particular, it’s hard to imagine them willing to pass up a CB if that player is closely ranked with whoever the BPA is. It’s too big of a need at a fairly critical position that I would not be surprised in the least if we come out of the draft saying we reached for at least one corner. This move doesn’t eliminate that by any means, but at least now you have a backup plan (albeit not a great one) that can reduce some of the desperation at the position.

  5. 5 Buge Halls said at 8:19 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I keep hearing this draft has CBs who will go in the 5th round or later who would have gone in the 1st last year. I don’t think they need to reach for a CB when the draft is so stocked (allegedly). But then again they always seem to pick at least one head-scratcher every year, so you never know.

  6. 6 Sb2bowl said at 8:49 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Probably a slight exaggeration but there should be talent available throughout the draft. Even in the later rounds, which should line up well from our position.

  7. 7 D3FB said at 10:49 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    That’s hyperbole. There are CBs that will go in the mid to late 3rd that would have been more in the fringe top 50 range most years. There are guys that will go in the 5th that would have been top 100 guys most years. There isn’t some 6th round CB that would be a first rounder most years.

  8. 8 bsuperfi said at 10:05 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I think the approach reflects an attempt to get back to team-building fundamentals: Build through the draft and be judicious with free agency. In practice, this means that free agency should be used (1) to add high impact players who will probably be expensive (there are exceptions, of course, like Malcolm Jenkins), and (2) to provide enough stability across the roster that you can focus on drafting BPA.

    Long and Robinson look to me like great examples of (2) (though we obviously aren’t set at CB).

    The one year deals look like bridges to get us back to this approach. These players should add stability in the short term. One or two might pan out to be worth a nice investment when they become FAs–there’s heightened risk that they could cash in elsewhere, but we’d still have the franchise tag, their proven success with the team, and hopefully the idea that “we’re building something” to attract them back.

  9. 9 Corry said at 7:30 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I disagree that DE isn’t a need. Long being on the roster doesn’t change that. He’s 32 on a “two” year deal. The only guys behind him are Marcus Smith and Steven Means, and Curry is coming off a disappointing year.

  10. 10 Howie Littlefinger said at 7:35 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Its less of a need. Think about it our WRs are bad our CBs are worse. Remember what Greenbay did to us with our “cover guys” out there. I’m good with Rolling out Curry and Long if it means we get some people who can cover a WR for more than 2 seconds

  11. 11 Corry said at 7:45 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Tommy’s words were “we don’t need someone at this point.” You view it as less of a need, but it is still a need at this point.

  12. 12 A_T_G said at 9:59 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I read “at this point” to mean that we could make it through this year if the draft does not fall correctly, even if that would be less than ideal.

    He did say “…they will likely still want to add a young, talented rusher…” immediately after the line you quoted.

  13. 13 Rellihcs said at 7:39 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    McCalister – 7th round draft pick who we stashed on IR last year. Great size, instincts, and talent. Needs a lot of weight added and technique taught. Still a project, but you have to include him in that list…

  14. 14 bill said at 9:18 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I think Long makes DE less of a need than DT. They may draft another later round project at DE, but I think DT gets addressed earlier than DE in the draft.

  15. 15 eagleyankfan said at 9:06 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    rebuilding while hedging your bets(players)? Last year it was no secret that the Eagles wanted a franchise QB. Then they gave a stupid contract to Chase. Did they sign Chase as a back up plan in case they couldn’t get the QB they wanted in the draft? They were able to get Wentz and started dreading the signing of Chase(don’t start with Chase was here to help Wentz garbage). Sproles can be viewed as the same way. Sproles is about done but still better than most out there. IF Smallwood stepped up or if Marshall panned out, would Sproles still be here? Is Sproles a back up plan? Torrey Smith and AJ backup plans incase they can’t find the WR they want in this years draft? Long a back up plan(placeholder) if they don’t get their DE in the draft?
    It’s March. I’m just throwing a thought out there. I’m not saying its wrong or right. It’s just a guess. Maybe they are just prudent moves. Eagles have a plan. Draft should shed some light. Disclaimer for those who get their panties in a bunch – I don’t hate Sproles. This isn’t a ‘hate’ post. You don’t like the word ‘rebuild’ – pretend you didn’t read it.

  16. 16 Rellihcs said at 9:32 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I disagree with the narrative (and not saying you created it or own it) that “it’s all or nothing” in terms of rebuilding and trying to “win now”.

    I think that extreme thinking is dumb. I don’t think that having a balanced approach between those two things is bad at all. They didn’t overpay for CB. Or really any position this year in FA. They didn’t trade away (or none that they didn’t recoup) any draft picks this season. Yes they are building around Carson and trying to build the defense in Schwartz’s system at the same time. Yes the main focus is building with youth for the next few years, not specifically for this year. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t add cheap guys like Long and Robinson and help the team in the short term – like keeping Sproles – in the meantime.

    It think it’s actually the wisest approach.

  17. 17 bill said at 10:09 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Developing a team while tanking doesn’t have the best track record in the NFL. I think one of the worst things to do to a young talent (at any position, though some are worse than others) in the NFL is put him on a team where he feels he needs to do everything just to win. Much better to bring him in and slot him into the role let him learn to trust the rest of the team.

  18. 18 eagleyankfan said at 3:37 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I think you totally mis-read what I was trying to say (it certainly can’t be the way I explain things)….
    I never said anything about ‘all or nothing’ so you did you lose me there. I didn’t mention about over paying anybody this year so again, I’m not sure what you’re talking about. It’s like you read the word “rebuild” and went off on a different direction. Clearly – I suck at expressing what I’m trying to say, so let me try again – without using the word rebuild because people lose their mind over that word…..
    Why did the Eagles sign Chase to such a silly contract? Eagles knew their plan of trying to get a QB. They didn’t know if they could pull it off at the time of sighing Chase. (guessing) IF the Eagles already knew they were getting Wentz, they wouldn’t have signed Chase(or maybe Chase wouldn’t have wanted to sign). Can it be assumed the Eagles were thinking that Chase was the ‘back up plan’ in case they could not get their QB in the draft? (nobody knows, it’s just a thinking out loud question). If it was a back up plan — is that all AJ is? He is a talented WR. Why only 1 year(Cho above talked better about this above)? If the Eagles find a number 1 WR in the draft – do they let AJ walk? To maybe another extent – is Long that type of signing as well? Eagles not sure if they can get a DE they want – they have a band-aide for now(or hedging their bets).
    Again, nothing to do with rebuild, it’s just a thought about concept on staffing a roster. I happen to like everything they are doing so it’s not a knock on them, it’s just a thought that maybe Pedersons(or HR?) approach to this team now is “Look at that draft class, we want players A B and C”. In case we can’t get them, sign FA D E and F. That’s a different philosophy than CK.

  19. 19 Rellihcs said at 4:02 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I got you. Yeah, I think there is balance and it’s wise – and you and I just word it differently. Great minds think alike (but sometimes don’t word things alike!).

  20. 20 ChoTime said at 9:45 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I find this strategy of 1-year contracts odd, can anyone explain it to me? The way I see it, if they play bad, no problem; if they play good, now you bid for the services of a hot free agent with little advantage over the field. I don’t see how that is in any way to our benefit. It would be a good strategy for a team with unlimited funds in 2 years and little confidence in its evaluation and projection.

  21. 21 Bert's Bells said at 9:51 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    The worker probably has some say in the length of the contract too.

  22. 22 A_T_G said at 10:03 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Are they allowed to extend these guys midseason if they choose, or is there some rule about that? I know there was some weird limiting rule that was an issue in the past.

    If they can extend them, it is likely a way to manage our tight cap, get an opportunity for a better look at the guy, and negotiate without the players in the locker room feeling like you are going out and replacing them with a bunch of mercenaries.

  23. 23 Bert's Bells said at 10:12 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Just spent about five minutes trying to find this but couldn’t -so I might be wrong.

    There are definitely some 1 year deals that can’t be extended in season -vet minimum and tagged players, for instance. This might extend to all one year contracts, I’m trying to remember examples and coming up blank.

    Like guys on RFA tenders -I can’t find anything on those.

    Teams can negotiate a deal on franchise and vet minimums but they can’t sign until the new league year.

    Again, I could be 100% wrong. That’s just how I remember it.

  24. 24 Jernst said at 11:34 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I believe you are correct, sir! It only effects franchise tags and vets on one year minimum deals. IIRC the only time we’ve had to deal with this was during Dirk Johnson’s first year punting for us. Kempski had a piece up about after he did extensive research on why the Eagles hadn’t extended his favorite coffin kick expert.

  25. 25 ACViking said at 1:10 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    There’s one quirky exception . . .

    A 1-year vet-minimum contract *can* be extended but only: (i) after the season ends and before next league year starts [which is when the contract expires, unless other wise agreed], (ii) for 1 year at a time, and (iii) at the league-minimum salary.

    See CBA Art 27, Sec 9

  26. 26 GermanEagle said at 12:04 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    AJ can’t be extended during the season. Same with Warmack and all the other 1 year ‘rentals’ by the Eagles.

  27. 27 A_T_G said at 2:01 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Did you read this somewhere? I thought there were more conditions at play.

  28. 28 ACViking said at 4:05 PM on March 29th, 2017:


    You’re right . . .

    Jeffrey *can* be extended.

    Only vets on minimum contracts cannot.
    (CBA Art. 27 Sec 9)

  29. 29 GermanEagle said at 4:29 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Yes I did. Can’t find the link though.

    Pretty positive that there aren’t any further conditions at play in his case – nor in the others’.

  30. 30 A_T_G said at 6:02 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Sounds good. That is the most informed opinion I have heard so far.

  31. 31 Rellihcs said at 10:05 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Alshon seems like the only one who got a 1 year deal that’s not old and a short-term solution anyway. Am I wrong?

    And we have leverage with the tag for Alshon…

  32. 32 bill said at 10:06 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    Part of it is their lack of current cap. Part of it is these players think their current offers are too low, especially considering how the cap just keeps exploding upwards. Part of it (for Alshon, IMO) is that the Eagles want someone to help develop Wentz, even if it isn’t the long term solution. Part of it is that these players have legitimate question marks associated with them. And, yes, part of it is that they will have more cap next year than they do right now.

    Not optimal. But other teams seem to be doing similar things this year. Seems likes there’s a fair amount of uncertainty on both sides, and one year deals is how it’s being handled right now. I doubt it is a long-term strategy, but if it is, I’ll agree that it is not a good one.

  33. 33 Jernst said at 11:20 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    With the way the cap keeps exploding upwards year after year and everyone assuming that this party train will never end, does anyone else get the feeling that we’re watching the housing market bubble all over again? The NFLs profits are gonna have to dip eventually right? I’m betting in a couple years, teams like Dallas who back load ridiculous 10 year contracts and keep kicking the van down the road are gonna find themselves in a world of hurt the moment that cap unexpectedly retracts.

  34. 34 D3FB said at 2:55 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    See I initially thought that teams were freaking about a potential downward shock to the cap. It’s not that though because the CBA and TV Deals still have 4 and 6 years remaining.

  35. 35 D3FB said at 10:38 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    League wide or Eagles specific?

    League wide there is something weird going on.

    For the Eagles if guys like Long or Robinson rip it up they are still on the wrong side of 30 and won’t get big money. Alexander just had 12.5 sacks and got 2/6.

    For a guy like Warmack he doesn’t want to sign a long term deal. If he kills it he sees what top FA Guards are making league wide. If he doesn’t he know he can kick around the league making a million or two a year as a backup for a few more years. He’s already made $12 million dollars so he’s in a better position to bet on himself than guys who haven’t banked that kind of money and don’t have his predraft pedigree.

  36. 36 ChoTime said at 11:14 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    So it’s not just the Eagles, I really haven’t been keeping up? If it’s just the reflection of a league-wide trend, of course I wouldn’t blame the Eagles for rolling with it.

    But don’t we have like 5-6 guys on prove it deals? Crazy! What a difference from the Banner Doctrine of signing guys to long, underpaid deals on the hopes of getting a bargain that way.

  37. 37 Ark87 said at 11:47 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    The “prove it deal” is very trendy right now. Hard to say why. Players seem more willing than usual to take one. Not just the ones that under perform, but the ones looking to push their pay-day down the road as cap-space continues to balloon (they aren’t fighting the franchise tag tooth and nail either).

    I like that we are opting for that path right now. We are a little tight in the cap-space department right now. So you either do long-term deals now are back-loaded with guaranteed money and signing bonus, or you do the low-risk 1 year deal. The benefit of what we are doing is we should have resources for the signings that work out really well because we aren’t committed to any of the signings that don’t. I guess ultimately you either kick the cap-hell down the road by signing a bunch of back loaded deals, or kick your roster needs down the road by not having anyone on contract to play for you next year.

  38. 38 Sb2bowl said at 1:19 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Think they are learning from NBA players? Players are taking short term contracts so that they can max out when the cap goes up by 30% when the TV deals kick in. Those that are average talents are getting paid currently like top of the market players.

    Those that are absolute starts will reset the market. Prove it deals give you the flexibility to leave quickly and earn more money overall (think of Revis in his prime). Obviously there are major risks associated with these behaviors (injuries, suspensions) but with how NFL contracts are structure the majority of risk is already associated with the player instead of the team.

  39. 39 ChoTime said at 1:50 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Going point about the risk of NFL contracts. They are already weighted so much in the teams’ favor, as opposed to the NBA contracts which are guaranteed. Most of this has to do with the fact that there are so few people with NBA grade talent, but thousands who can play in the NFL (supply and demand).

  40. 40 laeagle said at 12:17 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    It’s definitely trending across the NFL right now. But for us, as Jernst put it, it’s all about cap. We can’t afford longer term deals right now, but we can starting next year.

  41. 41 Rellihcs said at 12:38 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Can you name one you’d rather have locked up longer?

  42. 42 ChoTime said at 1:48 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Well, Jeffery.

  43. 43 D3FB said at 2:52 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    There is something akin to collusion going on league wide. Certainly in the DT market.

  44. 44 Anders said at 5:11 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Maybe players are just expecting to reach suh or cox money or even just Harrison money despite not been on their level

  45. 45 BobSmith77 said at 5:53 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Kind of what I worried wonder too.

  46. 46 D3FB said at 2:58 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I will say that Warmack and Jeffery are the only two on true prove it deal (torrey smith kind of as it’s a pay as you go).

    Long and Robinson are more old guy band aid deals.

  47. 47 Jernst said at 11:11 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I think if we had ample cap space this year we’d be more open to signing guys long term. Since we’re right up against the cap this year we can’t compete monitarily with many of the other teams that can dish out large guarantees in year one. That being said, next years cap situation looks completely different. We should have $50M+ in space to work with by this time next year. So, having to bid on our own FAs (after their one year contract expires) is less of an issue. Also, players (if they’re not getting the long term money offers they desire) are often willing to take a discounted contract if it’s only for one year and they know they’ll be able to get another shot at FA next season. Therefore we can get a guy like Jeffery in here for only $9.5M, something that would never happen on a longer term deal. He fits under our tight cap this year and we get to test drive him for a season before making a long term financial commitment. He gets to put himself in a position where he feels he’ll excell and get the money he deserves. And if he does that the Eagles will have no problem paying him with ample cap space next season.

  48. 48 Tom33 said at 11:22 AM on March 29th, 2017:


    Favorite part was “When teams gather at the annual meetings, the league’s management council (a group of owners and team executives) often discusses contract structures. “They are careful not to recommend, ‘This team is doing this or that,’ but they’ll show you examples of language and what teams are doing, and you learn best practices,” Brandt says, adding that the presenters are careful not to even imply that teams should collude. ”

    Doesn’t explain why a guy like Poe or even Alshon takes a 1 year deal, when you think they would have some leverage.

  49. 49 Bert's Bells said at 12:35 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    So they’re colluding but saying it doesn’t look like collusion, even though it totally looks like collusion.

  50. 50 Rellihcs said at 1:12 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Hey now, i thought we were talking football and not trump campaign and russia…

  51. 51 ChoTime said at 1:47 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Yeah, kind of looks like collusion to me.

  52. 52 Anders said at 5:10 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Consider the amount of stupid deals out there and the fact that the nfl has a whole has to use 89%of the cap and teams will use every advantage to win. I really doubt they collude on contacts in a way that harms anybody

  53. 53 Bert's Bells said at 6:02 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Based on the limited information that describes the owners meeting -these talks are geared towards showing how to rig contracts in the owners’ favor. All of them get together and share ways to structure deals that will help themselves and hurt their workers.

    This is the definition of collusion.

    Also, they’re billionaires. No one is as cheap as a rich person, so if they can get away with spending 88.9% of the cap instead of 89% by sharing trade secrets -they’ll do it.

  54. 54 Anders said at 2:51 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    The CBA and the NFL is colluding by definition (putting a cap on spending). If there was no cap like in baseball or Soccer, it would only be internal budgets that would determine contracts (That means some teams like the Cowboys or Rams, would be able to spend 3-4 times as much as the Raiders)

    But they can not share 88.9%, they have to spend 89% (Of course the NFLPA is a joke, but lets ignore that).

    That means no matter how they structure contracts etc. they still have to spend 89% (and the NFLPA do not care if they spend 80% on QBs and the rest on other positions, they just care that they spend 89%).

    My first point still stands tho. We have teams giving stupid contracts to Brock Osweiler, paying Matt Kalil like he is an elite LT etc.

    Most GMs are stupid because the only way you stay in the job is by winning. You win by having good players and good players cost money, so teams that think they have a realistic chance of winning, they will spend money.

    But this is also why having a good agent matters.

  55. 55 Bert's Bells said at 10:44 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    I’m no lawyer, and maybe one can weigh in, but I don’t think union contracts fall under the legal definition of collusion.

  56. 56 eagleyankfan said at 3:44 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Thanks for this(and your continued discussion on it below) as I was trying to allude to the handling of some of roster spots as odd in a post way down the list. D3FB said it well — “League wide there is something weird going on.”

  57. 57 Jernst said at 10:55 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I really believe Howie, Lurie and Joe when they say they are hell bent on taking the best player regardless of position, especially in the first round. I have a feeling the Long signing (which is the definition of a band aid) is a sign that they don’t see the DEs projected to be available when we get to our pick as being the best player on their board. I’m sure if someone like Solomon falls, Long’s presence won’t discourage them from drafting him one bit. But, I’m a bit more relieved that it’s looking less likely that we’ll force someone like Bennett at the 14th overall pick over higher rated, higher ceiling prospects simply because he plays a position of need. It gives us optionality as Lurie repeated numerous times in his press conference yesterday. With Long on the roster we now have the option to take a luxury item should one present itself and not feel like we’re too thin at DE to pass on an average prospect.

  58. 58 Ark87 said at 11:29 AM on March 29th, 2017:

    I don’t think you can read much into these FA signings. These signings are part of the Howie process. Basically in order to do BPA, which he is absolutely committed to, he can’t go into the draft with a shopping list. You don’t want to be thinking “if I don’t take a corner here, I’ll have to get one of the FA’s after the draft when everyone is plugging holes and they have leverage”. So he says he always tries to fill out the roster before the draft.

    He should have a very easy time drafting for BPA this year. There is no position but perhaps safety and tackle where we have 2 good starters that a rookie would have trouble stealing time from. The “good problems” we would love to have. Every other position has playtime up for grabs. It’s wide open.

    Oh and QB is set. But they could totally take one as early as the 3rd. Get the feeling Doug can never get enough QB’s

  59. 59 Sb2bowl said at 1:17 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    With the QB market how it is, and how it appears to be for the upcoming 4 years- that’s a proper usage of assets. Draft a QB in the mid rounds, develop him, and flip him for double the value invested. Sounds like something we used to do previously!

  60. 60 Jernst said at 1:57 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Yea I totally agree with all that. Guess my statement came off more definitive than I intended. We’re basically on the same page seeing the same thing. Having at least a viable veteran with starting experience on the roster (even if the bargain bin variety) frees us up to focus more on BPA than a specific position.

    I was just super disappointed when I kept hearing Barnetts name being linked to us at 14th overall because I don’t see him as a difference maker caliber of player. So I like the Long signing because it gives us enough depth and cushion at that position that I feel Howie will be less compelled to force a DE like Barnett as the pick.

    If Howie doesn’t agree with my assessment of Barnett and thinks he’s the BPA I’m sure he’ll still take him despite signing Long. But, I have a feeling that if they were dead set on taking Barnett who almost certainly will still be on the board at 14, they might have not signed Long. I have a real hard time imagining that 4 DE go in the top 13 picks with all the talented players at the top of this draft. No way Barnett is off the board.

    So, while you’re absolutely right that we shouldn’t read too much into these signings I’m gonna go ahead and do so, just a little bit, and assume this, at least, means their not gaga over Barnett and dead set on taking him if he’s there.

  61. 61 Insomniac said at 12:13 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I think you meant Barnett?

  62. 62 BreakinAnklez said at 2:13 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    What don’t you like about Barnett? Double digit sacks every season…dominant player while at UT

  63. 63 Sb2bowl said at 1:23 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Side note-

    Did anyone see the news that Witten signed a 4 year contract extension to lower his $12m cap hit this year? Theoretically, he will be 39 when it expires, but this continues a trend from Dallas to kick the can down the road and hamstring the future with asset allocation in the present.

    It’s odd when the Eagles did this with Ertz (though it wasn’t an extension)- it’s normal for the Cowboys to do so. Glad we have the discipline to stick with our plan instead of scrambling to free up money to make moves in the present.


  64. 64 BreakinAnklez said at 2:19 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I feel like Romo is on the books for the next 5 years based on all the restructuring of his contract they’ve done

  65. 65 Bert's Bells said at 2:29 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Romo has a cap hit just under $25million through 2019.

    If he’s cut after June 1, Dallas gets some flexibility in applying the hit. $25 million this year, the remainder $46 or so in 2018.

    Teams can designate one player’s hit into the next season, so maybe they can move it 2019.

    Having Prescott on a third round rookie deal saves their skin. They’re basically paying their starter at backup rates and putting their starter money in the dead cap space.

    Plus their star RB is on a rookie deal, so that’s covered too.

    Jerruh got lucky, but that doesn’t mean it will all work out.

  66. 66 Sb2bowl said at 3:31 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I don’t see how they will sustain this bubble- going to have to start really paying the remainder of the OLine, and they are an extremely top heavy team.

    Prescott and Romo cancel themselves out. Zeke is already near the top for cost in running backs; their secondary looks worse than ours and they don’t have much in the way of defensive line.

  67. 67 Bert's Bells said at 3:46 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Yeah, we keep thinking that they’re going to implode in cap hell but they don’t.

    Some of that is banking on the cap going up substantially every year -which might not be happening in the future.

  68. 68 Sb2bowl said at 3:54 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    It’s like everything else- eventually it’ll catch up. They have a very top heavy roster and if a few of those guys get injured, they go 4-12 instead of 12-4. What we saw last year was a swinging of the pendulum from the year before; I think they settle into 9-10 wins this year.

    Their offense will carry them, and Marinelli is a helluva a D-Coordinator. They did well by keeping him around. But they need more help on D than we do, and if we can put some firepower into the offense, we should be able to score points on them.

  69. 69 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:25 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Has the Dallas defense actually managed to get worse than they were last year?
    They lost some OL Depth with Leary gone and Doug Free retiring which means they might be fine on paper, but they probably won’t be able to overcome OL injuries as well as they were able to do the last few years. I’d be alarmed if im a cowboy fan especially after the OL enjoyed a reasonably healthy season with the exception of the Lael Collins injury. Can they have another year of good luck on the OL injury front? If their OL can’t dominate it could have massive negative trickle down effects on that entire team from Prescott to controlling the tempo helping to keep the defense off the field.
    As an eagle fan, my big concern about Dallas right now is the return of stud LB Jaylen Smith. If that kid gets healthy and gets back to even close to his pre injury form, it will be a problem. That kid at full strength next to Sean Lee ISNT anything to scoff at.
    Eagles need to build an elite front 7 to really be equipped to deal with Zeke and the cowboy run game. we aren’t there yet but we have some really nice pieces in place to build around, tho losing logan really hurts

  70. 70 Sb2bowl said at 6:56 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Smith has drop foot at last report, and is considering wearing a brace which will keep his foot in a stable position; basically, it’s like wearing a base cast to keep the foot erect.

    In other words, it’s a long shot. Weaver tried to do the same thing and couldn’t. JR Reed did, but never started again (bounced around the league as a backup for a few years). I read a report which stated it takes away 25-30% of your explosiveness, but that’s based on opinions.

  71. 71 A_T_G said at 1:49 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Better start up the internal rationalization dialog…

  72. 72 GermanEagle said at 1:56 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I wouldn’t read too much into that. And what do reporters expect people to say?! That Lurie and Pederson announce publicly that they have taken Mixon off their draft board??!

    The Philly press can be hilarious sometimes..

  73. 73 Insomniac said at 2:02 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    The Dolphins and the Patriots did it.

  74. 74 GermanEagle said at 2:06 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Fair enough. While they should be applauded for doing so I still don’t see any value (from a draft strategy point of view).

  75. 75 BreakinAnklez said at 2:09 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Also have to keep in mind this is a period of misinformation. In the Pat’s case, I probably believe it. Other teams, who knows. Dolphins have Ajayi, so I’m not sure what they have to gain

  76. 76 GermanEagle said at 2:16 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Totally agree with that.

  77. 77 Bert's Bells said at 2:21 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Dolphins have been “character” enforcers after the Incognito issue.

  78. 78 BreakinAnklez said at 2:06 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Teams have done it before. I know Pat’s have said he’s off.

  79. 79 Rellihcs said at 2:23 PM on March 29th, 2017:


  80. 80 D3FB said at 2:41 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    The interest is legitimate.

  81. 81 eagleyankfan said at 3:39 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    you know a secret? 🙂

  82. 82 D3FB said at 9:27 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    If I had anything more than reading tea leaves I’d be all over twitter with it. They’re being very public about doing their due diligence that alot of teams probably immediately removed from the board.

  83. 83 GermanEagle said at 4:12 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    What’s your source, Tyler?!

  84. 84 D3FB said at 9:27 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Them tea leaves doe.They’re being very public about this all. Kind of like you would if you were trying to soften the ground for a controversial prospect.

  85. 85 GermanEagle said at 1:27 PM on March 30th, 2017:

    I think you’ve had too nun tea. 😉

  86. 86 Media Mike said at 6:06 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    And sad.

  87. 87 Sean Stott said at 2:57 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Rather someone retaliate at being attacked than gratuitously lift up a girl’s shirt in public. One is a response to an attack; the other is sexual assault.

  88. 88 A_T_G said at 6:05 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    That’s the spirit…

  89. 89 Media Mike said at 6:06 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    No thanks; I’ll just say I don’t want him.

  90. 90 A_T_G said at 6:17 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    You’ll be wishing for Barner back?

  91. 91 Media Mike said at 6:19 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Nope; Josey and Mostert. Maybe even Tucker if his hamstring was replaced.

  92. 92 bill said at 3:16 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Just want to take a second to recognize TL and the fantastic (I can’t think of a high enough superlative, honestly) group of commenters here. This is the last site that I still read and participate in comments, and it’s because of the consistently high information content, and more importantly, tone of the conversations. I bring this up because this:


    pretty much encapsulates my pessimistic view on internet discussions. While reading the article, I kept thinking how this place is the exception. Thanks to all of you who (I started to call people out specifically, but honestly, there’s too many of you that are solid contributors that it got ridiculous and I wasn’t even sure I could make an exhaustive list) make this place what it is.

  93. 93 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:37 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    These signings DONT move the needle at all, but it’s exactly what the Front Office needed to do, make sure we had at least a place holder at every position allowing us to go into the draft without having to force anything out of desperation. Still a lot of time for Roseman to work out some trades.
    I support Both signings but we shouldn’t expect too much more out of Long than what Barwin was providing, and while signing Robinson was Neccessary, I don’t view him as much more than a Bradley Fletcher type. If money was equal Id much rather have Nolan Carroll, but free agency was never going to solve our CB problem. Unless HOWIE can pull a Malcolm Butler trade out of his ass, we will never have elite Corners in Philly until we draft the right kids and develope them ourselves. Need Mills to show signifcant growth from year 1 to year 2.
    And for the love of God, please make sure we have enough slot corners so that we never again have to waste Malcom Jenkins playmaking safety ability because we need him to line up as a slot corner, I never want to see Jenkins play CB again

  94. 94 GermanEagle said at 4:11 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Prepare yourself for the worst, i.e. don’t be surprised when the contract details come out that Chase frigging Daniel has signed for less than $2m with the Saints…

  95. 95 Tom33 said at 4:14 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    But I’m sure he’s going in with a legit shot at winning the starting job there.

    $2 mil is still more than he’s worth based on his NFL career.

  96. 96 GermanEagle said at 4:22 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    That’s why the Eagles should have never paid him that much money in the first place. Worst signing (and contract) since Nnamdi I eat my lunch in the car Asamoghua.

  97. 97 Ryan Rambo said at 4:22 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Hindsight is 20/20. He’s been here and gone now. Good riddance.

  98. 98 Bert's Bells said at 4:37 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Eh, if he helped Wentz improve/understand the game as reported then he was worth it. He didn’t lose the team any games or block a better player.

    It’s not my money, so good for him to get what he could.

  99. 99 Gian GEAGLE said at 4:28 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    The money we paid chase Probably wasn’t the difference between failing and succeeding last season. And especially with Bradford gone im sure there was real value in having chase here to help Carson with his NFL transition. Was it worth as much as we paid him? Probably not, but I don’t see that contract holding us back last season, and we already fixed the mistake so im not ready to mention the chase signing in the same sentence as the NNamdi debacle

  100. 100 Tom33 said at 4:39 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    The $7 mil in dead cap isn’t really helping the situation this year though. But on the plus side, if you add that to the dead $ for Bradford, plus what they are paying Wentz, you get about $19 mil for the starting QB position this year. So it’s pretty close to what it will be like when they have to pay market rate to Carson.

  101. 101 Anders said at 5:05 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    We saved either 1 or 2 mill by realising him. The 7 mill was sunk cost no matter what we did with him

  102. 102 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:41 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    if instead of paying chase that 7mil last year, we signed a modest WR or CB for $7mil, at the absolute most we win an extra two games?
    I don’t think I seen a Single Eagle fan who was ever thrilled with the contract we gave chase, but im sure he brought value to the Eagles. Probably not 7mil worth of value but having chase here im sure would be most valuable during Carson’s rookie season. We all know we paid chase too much, but it was just temporary, that 7mil allocated elsewhere Wasnt making a world of a difference last year anyway.
    We got a 1st for Bradford, Not only did we get out of the chase contract a year later, but now we have a better Backup QB in FOles who is younger, cheaper, and who most eagle fans would trust to win a game more than they would ever trust chase. Big picture, No harm, no foul even if we can all agree that chase was overpaid

  103. 103 A_T_G said at 6:00 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I think you are missing that Tom is talking about the offset language for this year, not what we paid him last year. The more NO pays him, the less we owe him, and the less dead cap we are saddle with.

    If they were to pay him as much as we are paying FOles, that would be ideal because then the swap would be a wash. That seems unlikely, however.

  104. 104 BobSmith77 said at 5:51 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    It was a terrible contract and bad signing and those facts don’t change that fact.

    Ditto if the thoroughly mediocre Long beats out Curry for the starting gig at DE.

  105. 105 Nailed It! said at 4:26 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Ooooh I won't name Top 50-types but here goes:- WR Taywan Taylor- RB DeVeon Smith- LB Jayon Brown- DB Cam Sutton- S Xavier Woods5) https://t.co/MfgRyk60Rm— Fran Duffy (@fduffy3) March 29, 2017

  106. 106 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:07 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Curioust to find out who will be the team to try and benefit from Mixons elite talents being available in round 2? If Mixon fell to round 3, I think it would be a no BRAINER for the Eagles especially if they didn’t remove his name from the big board during the pre draft evaluatipn process. But the kid is just so talented that someone is going to take him in round 2, and it wouldn’t shock me if a contender like the Seahawks took him at the end of round 1
    Steelers, Patriots, Giants, Cowboys, Seahawks, 49ers.. None of these franchises with Multiple Superbowls turn down takented player with heinous behavior problems, yet the Eagles who never won anything need to function as the Beacon of NFL morality? No thanks.
    this young man with serious football talent is going to make millions playing in the NFL next year whether we take him or not. What he did was disgusting, but if im being honest I’d probably be more comfortable giving a kid who made a mistake a second chance, instead of Giving 25-32 year old millionairs who behave terribly a second chance. There are plenty of success stories of people who learned from their heinous mistakes and went on to become good people. I don’t think that any fan can really talk about whether the Eagles should take Mixon or not. More than ever, this is one of those Decisions where you have to do your homework, really get to know this kid and decide whether you are comfortable betting on Mixon as a young man. The player evaluation part is easy, kid oozes with Talent.
    If Joe Mixon goes on to have an 8yr career, missing minimal games to injury, while staying out of trouble and being a good teammate, then I hope to see him on the Eagles. He made a horrible mistake as a kid but he will have a chance to write his story as a man. If you think he learned from his mistake then im ok with the Eagles betting on his elite talents, if we aren’t confident in him not repeating the same mistakes, then he should be removed from our big board all together.
    We aren’t Naive, we all know how this really works. The more talent you bring, the more willing teams will be to put up with your baggage and the better your chances of being given a second chance. If we are ever going to give playërs a second chance, make it for this type of talent. Just look at Kaep. If Russell Wilson was in Kaps exact shoes, teams would be linning up to sigń him even tho he caused such a controversy last year, but if the league views you as a backup, or a fringe starter at best, teams are less likely to put up with any extra baggage you bring to their organization
    Apparently the Eagles are keeping Mixon on their big board, I’d like to see Mixon available when its our turn to pick in round two just to see how truly Commited the Eagles are to the morality Lurie always portrays

  107. 107 Media Mike said at 6:05 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I don’t want him on my team.

  108. 108 Ryan Rambo said at 8:08 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    LOL what team do you own??

  109. 109 Ankerstjernen said at 3:57 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Does it not bother you, that you – as a fan – still have no idea how Mixon himself feels about what he did? Wether he is ashamed of himself? What he has done to correct it?

    A lot of people keep talking about ‘second chances’ with regards to Mixon. We had a lengthy discussion in the character post about it, and there is no reason to rehash it here. But I would like to plant a flag in this part of the discussion; To me, a second chance is something that you earn through taking responsibility, showing remorse and correcting your wrongs. Publically, in case you are a public persona. Not by having enough talent. That is how you end up with the likes of Greg Hardy.

  110. 110 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:04 PM on March 31st, 2017:

    No because I don’t expect to ever be in the position to really get to know any of the draft prospects which is a huge aspect of deciding who to choose even when red flags aren’t involved.
    Im also comfortable that LurIe isn’t like Jerry Jones who never met a red flag or Charechter concern that he shied away from. the Eagles have been pretty selective with who they gave a second chance to and typically those players stayed out of trouble putting their problems behind them so it worked out for us, you can bet that it doesn’t happen without doing serious background work on each player and be very selective about who they gave a second chance to, So Im sure that the Eagles would never draft Mixon without really getting to know him and his background well, and after all that if they are comfortable giving him a second chance, how can I argue against that having a tiny,Fraction of all the info Eagles gathered and factored into the decsion to draft him
    I think it’s safe to assume that everyone is disgusted by his crime, but some people do deserve a second chance and they prove it by making the most out of it. If Mixon ends up being one of those people, then I wouldn’t rip the Eagles for taking him, but if they do, they better be right because HOWIE would need to be held accountable if he drafts Mixon who then goes on to repeat his heinous behavior

  111. 111 A_T_G said at 5:56 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    I saw this guy mentioned on Twitter and has to Google him. With the loss of Logan, how are we not looking to add a Dee Liner in our mock drafts?

  112. 112 Media Mike said at 6:05 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Interesting. Why’d he bomb out of Bama and wind up nowhere state?

  113. 113 A_T_G said at 6:13 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Who cares? He is a D-lineman named Dee Liner!

    If there was a quarterback named Queue Bean would you question it or run to the podium yelling take my draft pick now!

    If there was someone who could catch named Wyrie Seaver, you don’t waste time questioning what system he ran in college.

    (These may or may not be names I used for custom made players in Madden many, many years ago…)

  114. 114 daveH said at 8:00 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Brad Pitt’s brother Stu

  115. 115 A Roy said at 2:47 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Don’t forfeit Tighe Tend.

  116. 116 Bert's Bells said at 6:07 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Further proof we’re living in a simulacrum and the matrix is busted.

  117. 117 Bert's Bells said at 6:08 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    “And with the first pick of the 2017 draft the Cleveland Browns select Q. Back from Football College University”

  118. 118 Crus57 said at 6:30 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Even in the matrix, the Browns would pick his brother Running Q. Back from Baseball/Dual Sport College University instead.

  119. 119 daveH said at 7:57 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Love simulcrum !!
    THANK YOU for that new word por moi.
    We are all still chasing the DJAX SIMULCRUM
    And still fear the “wrong brother simulcrum”

  120. 120 daveH said at 11:25 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Ha i was re-enjoying this great word and i even had it mispelled !
    Sim ul A crum
    Love it even More

  121. 121 suthrneagle said at 10:14 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    muscle shoals has got the swampers

  122. 122 A_T_G said at 6:02 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    I always assumed that was a person’s nickname.

  123. 123 suthrneagle said at 10:52 PM on April 11th, 2017:

    “Sweet Home Alabama” is a song by Southern rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd that first appeared in …. “The Swampers” referred to in the lyrics are the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section.
    saw the documentary here in SaoPaulo

  124. 124 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:27 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Anyone have this guy on their radar


  125. 125 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:28 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    LB team mate BYU


  126. 126 GermanEagle said at 6:50 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    So I’ve just watched Lurie’s PC and I can’t see why people believe that the Eagles will draft Mixon. I actually think the exact opposite. If you read between the lines. Just my opinion though..

  127. 127 GENETiC-FREAK said at 7:07 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Mixon was said he has spoken with the Eagles and they told him he wont be taken off their board.

    If he will be drafted by them who knows.

  128. 128 GermanEagle said at 7:13 PM on March 29th, 2017:


    do you really believe that?!

    You won’t have your possible future employer telling you straight to your face that you’ve just failed the interview.

  129. 129 GENETiC-FREAK said at 7:26 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Ah well if hes on hes on hes off hes off lol

    Too much reading into it just makes more questions.

  130. 130 Ryan Rambo said at 8:06 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Nobody knows what they will do. You’re only reading between the lines they created.

  131. 131 Dave said at 10:09 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    Chase Daniel has been in the NFL for 7 years, thrown 78 passes with 1 touchdown. He has made $24M and has never been injured. This guy has the NFL figured out.

  132. 132 ChoTime said at 11:42 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    He’s the Sam Bradford of backup QBs.

  133. 133 scratcherk said at 10:28 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    So what do people think about tabor, would you grab him in the second or third?

  134. 134 Insomniac said at 10:57 PM on March 29th, 2017:

    try the 6th round.

  135. 135 Mitchell said at 12:19 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Problem is, he’s so damn slow that he’s kinda shoehorned him self a bit. He can’t really play outside on an island because he will get burned and he’s on the bigger side and a bit clunky in his transition so that hurts him when he has to turn and run as well. He will probably have to play in a zone scheme and OC’s will scheme to beat him deep, so he’s always gonna need that safety help. I’m not sure if he is very good at jamming but again HE IS SO DAMN SLOW. If he misses the jam it’s 6 points. He’s gonna have to be a slot corner or play in a zone scheme. I think 6th is a bit low but on the other hand I wouldn’t spend a 3rd either.

  136. 136 Insomniac said at 12:54 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    “NFL.com analyst Daniel Jeremiah said a 4.75 clocking was the fastest unofficial time he received from NFL scouts present at Tabor’s workout.”

  137. 137 Dave said at 2:06 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    From what I’ve read, it’s concerning that he got slower at his pro day vs the combine, inferring he stopped training at the most important time in his career. His work ethic is being questioned.

  138. 138 Insomniac said at 2:30 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    4.75s is really bad considering that was his fastest time of the day. Not saying that this is true but he could have been clocking in the low 4.8s. Keeping his dumb brazen attitude after bombing his pro day and combine seals the deal for me. Let some sucker team take him, he’s not worth a draft pick.

  139. 139 Anders said at 7:32 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    I still take him in the 3rd round.

  140. 140 Insomniac said at 9:19 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    You’re going to take a CB that runs near the 4.8s in the third? Luckily none of us are GMs.

  141. 141 Anders said at 2:32 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    There is nothing on tape that suggest he is that slow.

    He will most likely go 3rd round (you do not drop from mid 1st to 6th round based on 1 combine test)

  142. 142 Insomniac said at 9:18 AM on March 30th, 2017:


    Nuff said.

  143. 143 scratcherk said at 7:44 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Just wondering if this is a case of letting combine numbers affect too much. He was a first round pick before he ran the 40. The game tape didn’t change after the combine. Either he can play or he can’t

  144. 144 Insomniac said at 9:28 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Louchiez Purifoy and Marcus Roberson were hyped as “first rounders” too. That means nothing really.

  145. 145 A_T_G said at 7:28 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    I thought he might be the answer, but he turned out just to be a Teez.

  146. 146 scratcherk said at 8:19 AM on March 30th, 2017:

    Heres a good primer for CBs in the draft. Could cross them off one by one as they go off the board: