Eagles Land CB Sidney Jones
Posted: April 28th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 306 Comments »Washington star Sidney Jones was going to be a Top 20 pick. And then he tore his Achilles at UW’s Pro Day. That sent him sliding down to the 2nd round and the Eagles felt he was just too good to pass on.
Jones is 6-0, 186. He ran 4.47 at the Combine and posted solid overall workout numbers. He has great cover skills. Jones is smart and instinctive, as well as being physically gifted. He picked off 4 passes in 2015 and broke up 10 more. QBs quit throwing his way in 2016 so his numbers fell off. He still finished his career with 8 picks and 21 PDs.
The question with Jones isn’t about whether he can play or fits the Eagles, it is simply about health. Les Bowen has some interesting info on that.
Still basking…
But surgeon, Dr. Robert Anderson told @TomPelissero "I've never had a guy not come back (from Achilles') who wanted to."— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) April 29, 2017
Jones' tear was higher up on calf, higher is better. Had minimally invasive procedure, which won't shorten healing. will guard vs infection
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) April 29, 2017
That is very encouraging. You also factor in the Eagles Sports Science Department. The team doctors checked him out and felt this was a risk worth taking. You are getting top flight talent in the 2nd round. The Sports Science guys can help with the rehab and getting him ready for the upcoming season.
Jones may not play a lot as a rookie because he will miss all of spring and summer football. This pick is about the big picture. The Eagles feel like they are getting a stud CB who can play for them for years. Like Derek Barnett, Jones is just 20. He has a bright future if his Achilles heels as expected.
For now, Patrick Robinson and Jalen Mills can feel good about 2017.
Expect the Eagles to add another CB later in the draft.
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He’s a first round talent. Can’t really complain about getting him in the 2nd, though having him miss his rookie year will be kind of a bummer.
As long as he fully recovers.
Eagles fans are mad because they didn’t take a high upside injury risk in round 1 and are mad because they took a high upside injury risk in round 2.
I don’t there’s one constant with Eagles fans it’s that they’re always mad about something.
this comment makes me mad
F you for saying that.
Wait people were mad that we didn’t take Jonathan Allen?
Lol oh yea
And Foster, the high upside injury & off-field risk.
Guess the Skins aren’t worried about the Bama thing. They got what they needed these first two rounds.
“For now, Patrick Robinson and Jalen Mills can feel good about 2017.”
:'(
They aren’t winning the Super Bowl this year. Trust the process, you’ll be glad at this time next year that our shitty corners put us in a better draft position.
And when you ruin Wentz mentally because he has to score 80 every game to win?
I think the D should be better with Barnett and Long instead of Barwin, and I think the O should be better with Jeffrey and Smith, which should help the D. Not to mention they’ll have Johnson for 16 so the run game and pass protection should be better.
You win the super bowl by competing every year.
I don’t do the Sam Hinkie mental gymnastics thing.
I’m very pleased with the Eagles’ first two picks. Barnett has a very good chance to start at the line; if not, then he’ll undoubtedly see increased snaps as the season goes on.
The Sidney Jones pick signifies the Eagles’ long-term vision at CB. This also may mean the coaching staff expect to stay together and groom Jones in the long run. I’m lookin’ forward to the third pick!
I am very happy. Both of these picks, for now, seem very good.
The run on safeties continues . . . . really didn’t see this coming.
The higher on the calf the closer to muscle. The closer to muscle the closer to excellent blood flow. The closer to excellent blood flow the closer to quick and complete healing.
If he completely heals anytime in 2017 he’s an absolute steal. If it’s not til 2018? Still worth the pick. I’m a pessimist though . . . this pick scares me a bit.
Gonna make him weigh more than a 7th grader?
Weight thing REALLY bothers you. We’ve seen really good CB’s in the 180 range. He’s not Mark McMillan for crying out loud 😛
He got bullied by Juju Smith-Schuster. Dez is like ten times the WR so there is some concern about him playing bigger WRs.
Have we?
Guys that are 6′?
He’s 20 – weight is something that can be added
He added weight after the season.
And then ripped his Achilles.
I think he was around 170 play weight.
Cheesesteaks
And crutches.
butterscotch krimpets.
Nothing gets an athlete fatter than a leg injury. Win win!
You’re damn right it will.
“if his Achilles heels as expected.”
pun intended?
Well, we already have selected our first round draft pick for 2018. And we still get another one.
Don’t start with that shit.
so he’ll be good to go for our deep playoff run… good good.
Browns going QB?
Time to extend that Cleveland QB jersey again
Holy shit, Jim Brown got old. I had no idea.
He’s 81
yeah, guess I just never thought about how long it’s been since he played.
Never seen him with a beard either lol
pretty good for 81
Sidney Jones = Ball Skills
and . . . Cleveland drafts another bust at QB 😛
Talented . . .but oh so flawed.
I hope Trubisky and Kizer’s futures have the fans booing played every time their name is mentioned like Philly QBs
Kizer is terrible….and another to the oh so long Browns QB list.
What a fantastic long-term pick for a naturally gifted, high-floor, high-upside guy to shore up the DB spot for years. It’s so hilariously typical of some Eagles fans being upset that we didn’t get someone to contribute right away so we can win the Super Bowl this year before the NFL folds as a sport and no more games being played beyond the 2017 season.
Look beyond your nose, people! There is a season after next! And we got ourselves an elite player for the long-term. Fly, Eagles, Fly!
And a FUCK DALLAS in there too, I forgot that in my last post.
The Browns just took a kid who almost quit because he had a couple bad spring practices.
That’s the answer Cleveland.
add it to the jersey https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3bce38b568744b8e66706392857b9d38f0e87d527cf3690af2128e2d9f4a93ce.png
He could be Joe Montana’s clone, it won’t work in Cleveland.
Perfect. They give Browns fans one day of hope, just to crush them yet again.
But Kiser is pretty close to Kosar.
If they PUP him, can they save a year of rookie contract? If not, I don’t like the pick.
Don’t think it qualifies for NFI so no.
I’d rather have the guy who will help this year then. I was glad the Cowboys took Jaylon Smith, not glad the Eagles took Jones. I know it’s not the same injury, but it’s still a risk. It’s not like the other cb available sucked.
1000000000%
Would you have been ok with him in the third round?
Yes, at 99. The guys they passed over here were not worth the risk/loss on Jones. Not a terrible pick, just not good value. It’s easy for fans to get excited about potential. But full recovery is not guaranteed, and losing a season matters.
I feel exactly the way you do.
But your ok with Lattimore?!
Yup.
Who would you have preferred?
Achilles surgery has a reliable recovery
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-sidney-jones-eagles-nfl-draft-achilles-injury-20170428-story.html
I have great news guys. 46 more picks until we pick again!
Better live up to your handle then 🙂
FORTY SIX! FORTY SIX! FORTY SIX!
*looks at clock creeping towards 2am* eesh this is gonna suck.
Good news is twitter will know the pick at 10:30
Bad news it wont be broadcast til 3 am
2nd round for teez? wow
Teez is gone. Glad, cause that 40 scared the !@#$ outta me.
I bet Sidney Jones on one foot is still faster than Tabor.
He’s got good hops
Giants get booed
and Cowgirls . . and Deadskinz . . .
dude has a round ass face.
Thank Christ they didn’t draft Joe Mixon.
He’s a newly minted Bengal
Really? not a surprise
Las Vegas has the next pick
Surprised they aren’t trading their picks for future picks – build hype for the move and a final kick in the teeth to Oakland.
Oakland : the city so nice they dumped it twice
Oakland city officials have to take some of the blame here
I don’t know much about it. Is the Raiders organization in the red?
The game where billionaires cry poor so they don’t have to buy their own stadium is over.
In principal, you’re correct. In reality, cities pay for stadiums . . . period. It sucks, but very few owners have any interest in spending money they don’t need to.
Nah. They DID pay for them. Now cities have done the math and are telling them to fuck off.
And watching the team leave for greener pastures . . . much as I’d like to see it change, don’t see it anytime soon.
Good let them leave for a second/third rate city. People aren’t paying attention but the state of a bunch of municipal and county level governments is a really bad and it is just going to take one pronounced recession/bear market to break the system.
The retirement funding levels for pensions are that stressed and it doesn’t even go into retiree healthcare funding either. Unlike the feds, these governments doesn’t face easy choices to make cuts and have few options to address the gap since most maintain meager to no rainy day funds. Some haven’t recovered really from the last recession and the next severe one will put them down on the mat to stay.
DePasquale has been yelling like Cassandra about this problem in PA for several years now with no one listening.
If another city is dumb enough to take that on, good for them. I wish them luck when they’re trying to pay it back. I can’t afford an NFL game ticket anyway, so if and when Lurie gets around to fleecing the city again, see ya later, brother.
I can’t criticize a city for not wanting to be held up. Cities pay and pay $$$ for no upside while every owner is a billionaire.
That’s true but this has been going on for years and the Coliseum is disgusting
Both Barnett and Jones will be under 22 when the season starts. That’s crazy
If Sidney Jones is a top-20 player then I don’t see the issue with taking him at #43 and being patient.
Still young too.
I haven’t seen anyone upset with the pick
Keep scrolling.
I’ll take you word for it.
D3FB’s pretty salty bout it.
D3 is a conservative guy. He seems to like the safe pick over the upside/risk guys.
Based on the msgs we’ve traded, I don’t think D3 would’ve liked Sidney in Rd 1 even if he hadn’t been injured.
Absolutely the way to go. Unfulfilled potential is great for fantasies, but it’s no way to fill out a football roster.
What unfulfilled potential?
He got hurt. It will heal.
It was a comment about philosophy, not Jones specifically.
As for whether it will heal, that is not a slam dunk medically. But I do have faith in our med staff. This will test that faith.
I disagree. How do safe picks help you separate from the pack?
I point to Seattle a lot. They took Malik McDowell because of potential. They have done a great job of getting players to reach their potential. Frank Clarke is another guy they took a chance on that has paid off.
Coaches get paid to develop players. THat is why coaches are almost as valueable as QBs right now.
Taking calculated risks is a smart strategy. Taking a risk just because of upside is foolish. Based on howie’s comments they did significant research on this injury. I think it was a risk work taking.
The issue is that there are no guarantees he’ll come back full, and there were still very good players who would help the team this year. The idea of building a super team that has a high probability of winning it all doesn’t work in football. Compete year in and year out is the way to go.
Not a horrible pick, just not good value.
It’s one year. Maybe half a year. Take the talent.
Nothing’s guaranteed. The healthy guys may bust. This is a different risk is all.
Wish i was in philly right now..that scene when we picked sidney jones was sooo effffing awesome
A hefty ‘fuck you’ to the coming hack writers pumping out “It’s like we got two 1st round picks!” articles. Don’t be like Dallas fans.
Howie already said in his press conference that they got two top 14 picks.
Then fuck Howie.
Lol
ok then cigar and dark and stormy time. Seems like I have some time before I need to be mad at their next pick.
I’ll be back.
Dark and stormy? Nice call.
classy choice!
If Birds IR Sidney, he still owes the Eagles 4 more years under his rookie contract.
(Sorry if this was posted)
That moderates the annoyingness of the “it’s like another 1st round pick” talk
Always felt like addressing the CB situation was going to take multiple years, might have a terrible year of corner play ahead of us the makes a dramatic turn around in 2018. With any luck we’ll have some good development out of Wentz and who knows what could happen.
Lets pick up some sweet BPsA for the rest of the draft and hopefully lay the foundation for a special 2018
I felt that way, too, when they failed to trade for one or pick one up in free agency.
That was amazing lmao
These boos are awfully weak.
Booooo the Cowgirls took Awuzie.
DALLAS SUCKS
Gawd !@#$ it. That’s two CB’s the Cowbabies have claimed that I really liked/coveted. First Byron Jones and now Awuzie.
They could still turn him into a safety.
that old man is now public enemy #1
He was a great WR.
That’s 6 safeties in round 2. Who said safeties weren’t important again?
Gotta admit, it’s nice to not desperately need to fill a hole there for once.
For the Eagles 2nd round pick . . . “Bring out the gimp.”
A thousand upvote for Pulp Fiction rerefences.
So how many offensive linemen are left?
there goes moton, liked him
https://twitter.com/IgglesCoverage/status/858112837914439681
i like ogunjobi. great kid. double degree including computer science.
there goes kamara
Kamara and Witherspoon gone.
There’s gonna be a huge run on edge rushers soon
And it begins
There are no RBs left that are exciting. I like the Jones Pick, but loved the idea of having a difference maker at RB.
what about samaje perine, d’onta foreman?
just a guy IMO
He’s not dynamic and I worry about him staying healthy.
Strong disagree
Who is left that has elite potential like Cook or Mixon?
We don’t need elite and let’s not pretend Cook or Mixon weren’t deeply flawed prospects
I never said we needed an elite guy. I said I wanted one and there are none left. None of these guys are exciting.How do you disagree with that?
I loved both of them. Their flaws were correctable. They both have special talent
Because I didn’t want a RB in the second round anyway. You shouldn’t be giving second contracts to running backs but you should want your second round picks to be second contract guys.
Connor for me, Perine too. Hunt, Dayes… Williams…. there’s good stuff left. And we could still sign Jamal Charles… or Blount… but nah, draft 2.
F it, get Tarik Cohen
Those are a bunch of fringe starters to me. Would you bet your pay check that any of those guys will become pro bowl running backs? I would bet that Cook and Mixon will.
No, but at RB, probowl or bust is kinda dumb.
But I wanted Wentz to have his Shady or Westbrook. Now that we won’t get that guy it’s a bit of a let down. I said I like the Jones pick, but I was excited about the prospect of adding one of those guys.
When we drafted Westbrook, you thought you were getting a third down back and return guy
I didn’t follow the draft back then, but as I understand it he tested really well and was only drafted later due to playing at Villanova. i get your point, but the guys left are largely JAGs. At this point I say screw RB and just keep adding CBs. Get our RB next year
Doesn’t necessarily have to be this year. We just made huge investments on D. You can’t have studs everywhere. Look at how NE is winning SBs with plug and play RBs…
I agree. I don’t want us pressing for a RB that is JAG. I don’t care if we suck this year. As long as we are a legit playoff contender in 2018.
Kareem Hunt BB!!
I agree he is the best of what’s left. He is the only guy that has the potential to develop into a top back. He may be gone before we pick.
Gallman? Marlon Mack?
I don’t like Marlon Mack much. Gallman is a complimentary guy, not a starter.
Where is everybody seeing a list of players that are left? Could use a reference guide.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker/by-round#dt-by-round-input:3/dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:cb
thanks.
Baffled by Jones’ time table:
Chris Mortenson says the Eagles’ medical staff told him they think he can be ready by mid-Oct.
Multiple others are saying it is a foregone conclusion he is placed on injured reserve and McShay went on to say this pick is a sign that the Eagles’ front office only makes this pick if they think they have at least 2 (if not 3) more years to rebuild this team.
Just got back from class.
I love the Jones pick and Hate CAR for taking Samuel
Hm, so by the time we have our defense in order, we’ll have lost the best player on our team, Jason Peters, to age. So we should probably start looking into replacing him. And maybe pick up some more WRs in the hopes that one or two will stick to be ready for the beginning of Wentz’ prime in a couple of years. A RB or two, since we jettisoned our most talented one and Sproles is not going to last that long.
You mean replacing Lane Johnson at right tackle
we needed a lot of things and we’ve had two picks.
I have your RB solution. Draft Chris Wormley, and when Beau Allen gets healthy, convert his ass to RB.
There you go.
I’d love Chris Worley in round 3, but he won’t last until we pick
good call
Love that there is a run on offensive linemen and the Giants don’t have a lot of options
Goodbye Taywan Taylor :'(
Patrick who???? Love this pick.
BAL takes a DT to replace the DT the traded away.
Dont forget we already made a third round pick in Timmy Jernigan
We are now going to trade Jernigan to move up in the third round… Wildcard!!!
It always amazes me how much these players struggle with reading the card
what happened to atlantas second rd pick
Traded down with the Bills
Fabian Moreau in the third please Howie.
ok since we have like an in between round pick, is it tonight or tomorrow?
It’ll be tonight, late, after everyone has left, when the servers are busy putting the chairs upsidedown on top of the tables and wishing you’d just finish your drink and leave already…
haha, you guys aren’t trying to close are you hahahaha
Fuck those people.
I’ve got a lot of rum and ginger beer here and you can’t make me leave…..but I may need to turn on some show on TV to pass the time.
geez we still have 20 picks to go?!?
NFL Network just reported that Orlando Scandrick is on the block. Thoughts?
why would the cowboys try to trade scandrick?
He just misspelled jetes
Loving DEs going…
We are all going to wait until 99 and watch, they will trade out of it..
As long as we get good compensation, good with me
19 picks to go, which direction should we take?
There goes Moreau. Hope he fucking sucks now.
Well shit..
Hate to say it but Washington has had a great draft so far
The rest of the division is smart.
Now there goes Carlos Henderson
And now Goodwin. The Bucs can fuck round off then.
Good lord the bucs are stacked on offense
That’s nuts
Well at least rivers didn’t last till our third. Wouldn’t be surprised if in a few years he’s better than barnett
Guys I might jinx us but Cordrea Tankersley is still available.
Shut your whore mouth!
Fuck. Hunt went.
Tankersley, Conner, Mack, Gallman, Rasul Douglass….
I AM DEVASTATED!!!
Someone get Tommy a PBR, bag of funyons, AND pudding. He needs the trifecta right now…ugh…. RIP Hunt with birds…ugh
“Wentz to Hunt” was to be so apropos…
And Foreman now, too.
Shaq Griffin and John Johnson gone as well.
Can you please not post picks before TV?
You are way behind since NFL live is on the Cowgirls pick already..
You’re right, my bad. Apologies
Lewis gone.
lol. “Dallas sucks” chant in the background.
I guess taking two CBs would be why they’re okay with dealing Scandrick
Well ok Cameron Sutton was the guy I wanted if Tankersley got taken.
I’m not going to tip anything, but I will say I really like what they did. Good night guys.
dolphins just took tankersly
“hey look at me, I can get the name off twitter and spoil it for people just watching on TV!”
Yahoo sports app, actually. Didn’t realize it wasn’t announced.
Rasul Douglas
Sigh don’t spoil it for people who want to watch it be announced.
Having said that like the pick. Having a big CB who you can match up on TE’s or huge WR’s is such a valuable tool for a defensive arsenal.
Pretty sure he was either BPA or close to it, which is always positive even if it is addressing our core need
West Virginia?
Quite a run on dbacks in the late 3rd.
Should have traded up to get one of these last CBs. There is nobody on the board I like more than Tankersley or Lewis
Insomniac, you suck.
Haha
🙁
In my defense, they never met with Tankersley. Yea that’s right..ha ha.
9/10 picks before ours fall in the RB/db/WR area of need category.
They liked Rasul.
Yeah, just a run of bad luck after so much went our way earlier.
I’m just saying they may have taken him anyway and then people woulda been pissed they didn’t take their guy. He’s no sure thing but he has a chance to better than what we had lol.
Douglas will be the better CB anyway.
Ugh. Its like we’re trying to have the slowest defense in the league. Tankersley was worth a 4th to trade up.
I really don’t see a difference with joe Douglas in the building except that we seem afraid to make trades.
Yes. That’s their intent.
I know. It’s quite obvious
Yes….i saw that evil grin on Howie’s face and knew you were right.
Douglas isn’t the quickest… although his length should help mitigate that to an extent. But who else is slow on the starting defence in the back 7? Our Safeties are fast as is Hicks, and Sidney will not be a slow CB.
I don’t think so. Barnett 88 % ile in 3 Cone drill. Jones runs with WRs deep.
Douglas isn’t that bad even if he’s on the slower side.
Yeah he isn’t Tabor slow. Big corners have been successful with his Douglas’s athletic profile, you don’t need 4.4 speed with that extra length and size.
If only he would get off blocks better for a CB his size.
Yeah, not thrilled by that trait about out CBs. I get it, and it seems like a scheme thing. Also makes sense with Jenkins and McLeod, but basically not of our CBs can cover a WR down the sideline. Maybe you could argue Sidney Jones, but who knows what his speed is like after the injury, and its not like the guy was a speed demon before, as much as a quick and agile player.
On a more personal preference not, I like man coverage more than zone and had hoped our reliance on zone defense was because of shitty corners. I even doubt Mills’ and now Douglas’ ability to cover the deep zone in a Seattle like cover 3.
What is frustrating is JD got up there and talked about the importance of athleticism for CBs in today’s NFL then drafts Douglas.
Are you ignoring the potentially vicious pass rush?
My statement was hyperbole.
I think the vicious pass rush still has to materialize. It will likely be better than last year, but I have my doubts if it will reach vicious levels.
It does seem that JD is a tape only guy and I very much like a limited pool of good athletes with tape that shows glimpses of what the finished product can look like. Our philosophies are very different.
Rasul and Sidney both have excellent ball skills.
that is what jumps out. have to admit we’ve been lacking in this area since Asante left, and is mostly undervalued compared to 40 times.
Really cant be upset with these picks. They are meshing need with BPA beautifully.
You can be upset. They fell just outside a large drop off in talent. They should have traded up to get a higher quality player in round 3. I am not a huge fan of Douglas at all.
You are entitled to your opinion.
As painful as it may be.
Why because I don’t love every pick the eagles make. What in the eagles history has proven that they know how to build a championship team? JD has always had Ozzie making decisions so the jury is still out on him. To me this draft is very status quo with what we have done in the past.
I don’t get it. I look at the Ravens draft and they are targeting good to great athletes. We have drafted nothing but average to below average athletes.
Are you saying Joe Douglas is the problem?
He’s not part of the solution apparently
Ravens fans this morning were not exactly thrilled last night with Humphrey.
Humphrey has no ball awareness. Rasul and Sidney are just the opposite.
joe did say he lets the tape lead him to the player, kinda trying to highlight that he is a tape first, and maybe a tape last kinda guy. Which is fine. be interesting to see how it turns out.
I am not a Humphrey fan myself, just pointing out the difference in what JD and Ozzie have done this week. Ozzie seems to be putting a premium on athleticism while we are clearly not.
You don’t think Sid and Rosul have athleticism?
Is the goal to draft good players or good athletes?
Why is it an either or proposition? Charles Harris instead of Barnett. I like the Jones pick. Trade a 4th and go get Tankersley. How is that not drafting good players?
Tankersley wasn’t really a fit if we’re being honest. He is horrific at tackling which is very important in Schwartz’s scheme.
I have bad news for you, Douglas isn’t much better at tackling.
At least he tries….
Yup but it gets frustrating watching him dive at ankles instead of trying to wrap up.
Form is easier to correct than effort
One scouting report says “Solid tackler, missed just five of the 58 solo tackles he attempted in 2016”
https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-rasul-douglas-cb-west-virginia/
Whereas the NFL Network guys specifically called out Tankersley’s allergy to tackling as being on another level — said two 50 yard TD runs in one game were his area of run support and he had no interest in even being in the area.
I’m just going by what was available on draftbreakdown. What I saw was Douglas doesn’t get off blocks very well and doesn’t really love to tackle.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/rasul-douglas?id=2558168
WEAKNESSES Tall corner who plays upright in his pedal, which affects his balance and transition quickness. Very average in his pattern matching and has below average closing burst to the ball. Won’t be able to match quick-footed receivers from press coverage. Athletic and coverage limitations could limit his scheme fits. Doesn’t have the downfield juice to stick with burners on go routes. Makeup speed is below average. Inconsistent hitter who may lack necessary aggressiveness as tackler to project to safety. Defaults to arm tackles.
Yup. Same review in the “Strengths” area says “Not a physical tackler but gets guys down. Length allows him to catch stray running backs breaking contain.”
Funny you mention Takersly. See when Takersly got picked the panel were saying he has alot to work on. Douglas gets picked the total opposite.
I’m ok with a player than needs work. That’s what coaches are for. I have liked Tankersley since last year. Love his ball skills. Has faced some big time competition. Plays with some swagger.
If you love ball skills how can you hate Douglas who was the biggest ball hawk in the draft?
My biggest problem with Douglas is his speed and quickness. Teams are beginning to utilizes smaller quicker receivers more than in recent years. Antonio Brown, Cooks, Sanders, ODB, etc are now top WRs. I think Douglas will really struggle with these guys. He isn’t very physical considering his size. I’ll take the guy with better tools, more PBUs, and experience against top competition over Douglas.
Seriously. I wish these other teams would get on board with our drafting strategy.
Tankersley would be a disaster in this scheme – our CB’s have to be willing to tackle RB’s due to the wide 9 and attacking alignments up front. Tankersley pretty much runs away from that kind of contact. He was never a realistic option for the Eagles.
…Curtis Marsh..
Does anything make you happy? Do you have a source of joy in your life?
Are we still taking BPA or trying to fit needs?
Intricate mosacism of both disciplines.
Douglas is someone who I watched breakdowns on. Yes he isn’t the fastest but he does have some speed. I brought this clip up since it showcased his straight line speed. He doesn’t really play to his size but whatever he’s a good ballhawk with size.
He almost ran down Dede Westbrook who runs a 4.3s flat
https://youtu.be/Ow2cu1_PwE0?t=69
Im not even going to watch it. You know why? Cause I trust you. I threw in a upvote too.
I’m pretty sure you saw it before when we talked about him months ago.
damn, maybe Joe showed this to Howie and said “Tape dont lie”.. Sure seems like he was going stride for stride versus a timed 4.3 guy.
Honestly, people overestimate the 40 so much. Gamewise, hand use, balance, coordination, body control and anticipation can EASILY earn you a tenth of a second head start in a footrace with a wr. And we have seen plenty of fast CBs getting burned because they whiff, get turned around, bite on the fake or refuse to turn their head when the ball is coming. This idea that if the dude is not running sub 4.5 then he is never going to be good is just silly. So much more goes into it. Lets all relax.
dammit not conner
I’m late to the party, but I do like that we’ve picked up some corners. Obviously, it’s a huge hole in the defense (says Captain Obvious) That said, I don’t really like the Jones pick. I don’t like using a 2nd rounder on a player recovering from a major injury.
Jones is 20 and it’s an injury from which players usually make a full recovery. Was considered a top 20 talent before he got hurt. Seems like a worthwhile value pick to me.
It’s like another first round pick? (I’ll show myself out).
Obviously the medical redshirt knocks him down a peg. But if a 2nd rounder this year is equivalent to a first rounder next year, it’s fine value. He’s a guy who has the talent to be a very good starter for a decade.
Actually its an injury that some players never fully recover from. Scar tissue in the achilles tendon tend to sapp a bit of a persons “elasticity” meaning explosiveness. He can get fully healthy, sure. But he might not be quite as quick. The fast that he is very young does help though.
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well, 2 CBs in the first 3 picks is what many fans have been asking for, and seemed like the prudent thing to do in the abstract. I love Jones, before and after injury – just have faith that he can come all the way back. Douglas – who knows? At least he is ranked as a 3rd round talent by others, and trust Joe before we have reason not to trust him. So, glad, they are addressing CB with top 3 round talent.
Yeah, whether you like the picks or not, we’ve had a big talent increase at CB, which is basically what we needed. Hopefully one of Mills and the 2 picks, becomes a really good starter and the other 2 becomes solid NFL players. I wouldn’t even mind another corner if guys like Corn Elder or Kazee drops.
Tomorrow, I expect a RB and a WR with some speed in the 4th. Perine, Mack and Westbrook the obvious options right now. Wouldn’t mind a pick on either side of the trenches though.
Dont really love any of the LBs or Safeties, but I could maybe be persuaded.
Is Douglas as slow and unable to cover deep one-on-one as some scouting reports state?
No.
He’s just slightly slower than Richard Sherman if that makes you feel any better.
40 times range from 4.48 to 4.6 from what I’ve seen. Not fast but not untenably slow for an NFL corner either, especially for a guy who goes 6-2, 209. That’s faster than Richard Sherman ran for example.
Sounds like he’s not a burner, but tall CBs can sometimes still play fine without being blazingly fast. Is a ballhawk too, so he’s risky to through 50/50 balls to, from the sounds of it.
He will need to maximize his length in those situations. Guy like Richard a Sherman are not blazers, but are able to use their length both at the LOS and down the field.
Highlights make every draft pick better right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja-eAPgFioU
I’m totally not posting this since I like the pick.
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