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Posted: April 11th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 138 Comments »

The Eagles made an interesting move on Monday.

I like this move. McGloin is a good #3 QB. I would love for the Eagles to have targeted someone in the draft to add and develop as a backup, but this is not a good QB class. There just aren’t any guys I really want. Apparently the team feels the same way.

Nick Foles is here on a 2-year deal. McGloin is just here for one year. I’m sure the Eagles would love Foles to stay for a while, but he would certainly like a chance to compete for a starting job at some point in the future. He can spend the next couple of years trying to repair his reputation.

The question with McGloin is whether he is good enough to be your primary backup. McGloin has gone 1-6 in his career as a starter. His career QB rating is 75.3. He doesn’t complete 60 percent of his passes. Those aren’t compelling numbers. The backup QB has to be good enough to be an effective starter if called upon. I like to think of A.J. Feeley as the kind of guy you want. Someone who is competent and confident, but also comfortable with the role. He wasn’t meant to be a starter, but gave you a chance to win when he was on the field.

McGloin reminds me a bit of Koy Detmer. Lots of attitude and emotion, but limited skills. Fun to watch in meaningless games, but not someone you want out there when things really matter.

It is possible that McGloin could develop over time. He spent 2 years in Oakland playing for John DeFilippo so that should help McGloin to fit in with the Eagles. This also gives him a chance to play for an offensive-minded head coach. Derek Carr has developed nicely for the Raiders, but players with marginal talent sometimes need the right circumstances to bring out the best in them.

The Eagles now have a good starting QB in Carson Wentz, a good backup in Nick Foles and an experienced #3 in McGloin. That’s a pretty good situation.

*****

I do have to give McGloin a lot of credit. I saw him early on at Penn State and he was erratic. I thought he could have been a good starter at a lower level of football, but it seemed like the Big Ten was above his head.

McGloin kept working and grinding and then got the break of a lifetime when Bill O’Brien took over the program. O’Brien brought out the best in McGloin and helped develop him into a player that could find a spot in the NFL.

The kid I saw early on at Penn State seemed more likely to play in the NHL than the NFL. He’s earned everything in his career and that’s something he can be proud of, no matter how things turn out in the future.

*****

I loved this.

The Bill O’Brien Bowl.

Could make the preseason finale a lot more fun for PSU fans.

*****

I went back and watched more tape of him. Didn’t realize how creatively they used him. LSU ran 3 and 4-man DLs. Godchaux played DE in both fronts and DT as well. Better athlete than I initially gave him credit for. Good closing speed. Godchaux had 6.5 sacks last year, a good total for a guy who is 310 pounds.

Also of interest…played for the same defensive coordinator who coached Beau Allen in his Senior season.

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  • slackerjoe

    I do see a little Koy Detmer in McGloin!

    http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1505199/pennstatebelt.gif

    • Sb2bowl

      That was such a horrible jump (but to his credit, it looks like he is close to fumbling which kept him “grounded”)– I love the celebration. If he can grow a neck beard, I’m all for it.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39b2f9580d16ce1ea79a852e191acd9c6b0038e919925aa0456f3c9f2bc70ecf.jpg

      • John Dunkerley

        Just a toothbrush and a playbook.

    • A_T_G

      Unnecessary AND ineffective – that was a heck of a dive.

      • Tdoteaglefan

        so much greatness in that clip…
        The fact he made the Unnecessary leap
        The attempt at extending the ball over the goal line but only managing to extend it 5 inches from his body
        The 7 inch vertical leap
        and the cocky “Discount double check” celebration at the end as if that tremendous display of awkwardness and lack of athleticism didn’t just take place.

      • BobSmith77

        He is indicating that he wants to bring back the ‘The People’s Champ’ celebration that hasn’t been an Eagles’ staple since Freddie Mitchell?

        Definitely looking forward to see it in the 2nd half of the final preseason game.

  • CrackSammich

    It’s been so long since we’ve had good CBs that I’m just starting to believe they don’t exist.

    On the flip side, it’s rather amazing the run of luck we’ve had at DT.

    • wee2424

      Minus Bunkley.

      • Ryan Rambo

        Trevor Laws

        • wee2424

          Wow, completely forgot about him. Correct me if I am wrong, but his problem had alot to do with injuries correct?

          • Ryan Rambo

            I would say yes.

      • BobSmith77

        Bunkley didn’t live up the hype but he wasn’t a total bust either. I’d give his tenure here a C/C-.

        • John Luck Pickerd

          I think you’re giving Bunkley a little too much credit. He was extremely marginal, and I would’ve taken any of the other FSU 1st rounders that year over him. He never had any great moments here. I think the most surprising thing is he played for 8 seasons somehow.

  • Mitchell

    I think I’m just ready for the draft to be here.

  • Flyineagle45

    I’m ready for the draft hopefully they don’t get mcaffrey that will be the worst luck since Danny Watkins

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      I dont think it will be that bad.

      • Flyineagle45

        It would be abysmal. We should just get a DB get Adrian Peterson on the cheap. I just dont foresee Mcaffrey performing well in the NFL. The days of John Riggins and guys like that ended with Mike alstott.

        • Steve Smegal

          I don’t want McCaffery either (at least not at 14) but comparing him to Riggins and Alstott makes me think you’ve never seen him – like at all

          • Flyineagle45

            I know his game is not a power game. I just couldn’t think of any elusive white backs off the top of my head

          • Steve Smegal

            Oh so the comparison is based on nothing but racial stereotypes. Cool.

          • A Roy

            Man, you shoulda just stopped digging once you were in the hole.

          • Ryan Rambo

            Danny Woodhead is elusive but smaller.

        • Jernst

          I don’t think Christian Mcaffrey is who you think he is. Besides being white is literally the polar opposite of backs like Riggins and Alstott in every way imaginable. He’s a 202 pound back with excellent quickness, who’s able to stop on a dime and be at full speed in one step, who excels as a pass catcher out of the backfield.

        • MattE

          Riggins and Alstott hahahaha? That may be the worst comparison of any college draft prospect I have ever heard lol.

          • Flyineagle45

            Again I could NOT think of any white running backs off the top of my head to compare him to.

          • A_T_G

            I wonder if there might be other, more relevant charactistics on which to focus…

          • Flyineagle45

            Yes, well I figured I would get the one that would inevitably come up first. This is America that’s where we go first.

          • Buge Halls

            That’s right where you went – comparing him to “white running backs”.

          • Flyineagle45

            He reminds me of Reggie Bush how about that? Lol

          • Mac

            Yes, shifty college back who is drafted as “elite” but needs to be part of a committee at the next level.

            And we’ve already got 2 of those guys on the roster…

          • A_T_G

            Two thoughts:
            (1) I have seen literally no one mention this in their evaluation before you.

            (2) The “people are going to do (bad thing) eventually anyway, so I might as well” is never a good reason to do anything…ever.

          • Sean Stott

            Thought experiment: all else equal, would he be drafted higher if he was black?

          • A_T_G

            You are asking me to presume the level of racial bias among the decision makers in the war rooms? I would hope anyone that truly factors race into their player evaluations was weeded out as a scout and is now making predictions on a fan website somewhere.

          • Buge Halls

            He’s a white guy – he can only be OL, TE, QB or P/K. No way a WHITE guy could be a decent running back in the NFL. /sarcasm off/

          • Bert’s Bells

            Or an Urlakkers

          • Flyineagle45

            Lmao just like when they said no blacks could play QB or be a HC. Society is so sad huh?

          • Buge Halls

            Trying to deflect what you said – nice try. You’re the one that compared him to only white RBs, not society.

          • Flyineagle45

            It was very small of me

          • Buge Halls

            IT must be something to be so blatantly racist yet oblivious to it.

          • Flyineagle45

            LMAO yup I’m so racist. This is hilarious! Here’s the deal I only did the comparison to see what kind of reactions I would get. Pretty funny seeing the reaction when the shoes on the other foot.

          • Flyineagle45

            Lmao I hate my fiance’s pale skin……………

          • Buge Halls

            Yeah sure – you just did it to get a reaction, okay. You must be a politician the way you can change your story so easily. As I said, you’re simply oblivious to how you are. It’s really kind of sad.

          • Flyineagle45

            Lmao this is so great. I really wish I could show you my family photo so you could see how “racist” I am.

          • MattE

            i wasn’t asking you to compare to a white RB i was asking for a comparison irregardless of skin color lol

          • Mac

            If you MUST compare him to a white guy, then the player you’re looking for is Tim Tebow.

            My concern with Mcaffery is not that his “skill set” won’t translate into the NFL, but rather that his “skill level” is such that he puts up amazing stats in college, but can’t produce at the next level. I have no actual/factual stats to back up this notion… it’s just speculation (which I believe is relevant because every draft pick is a lottery ticket).

            I agree he might be the worst possible option at 14. But I’m willing to have a go with the 2nd round pick if he’s still available at that point.

            Where Mcaffery’s value exceeds the Tebow is in the fact that he plays a position where he can be part of the solution and doesn’t have to carry a team himself.

          • Bert’s Bells
          • xmbk

            WTF? I really do think there is an element of that to the hate, but it’s stupid.

          • Flyineagle45

            You know what I’ve noticed. There’s all sorts of slurs thrown around in here and nobody panics because it’s all according to plan. I mention one little white running back and everybody loses their minds!

          • Tdoteaglefan

            I think the slurs are all made by the same person and nobody can read his comments because we’ve all put him on ignore because we don’t tolerate that shit here..however he DOES need to be banned.

            I agree with you by not wanting Mccaffery at that spot but not for the same reason..if that’s the type of player we want, I think it would be better value to take Curtis Samuel in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

            I recently saw a graphic that listed all the RBs under 210lbs that were drafted in the first rd since 2006. they were: CJ Spiller, Chris Johnson, Jahvid Best, Reggie Bush, David Wilson and Felix Jones.
            Chris Johnson was the only success story out of that group and up until this year owned the record in 40 yard dash speed, so he’s a different level of athlete than McCaffery.

            like the kid as a player –loved seeing his receiving and movement skills at the combine…his skillset is very similar to Brian westbrook and would be ok with taking him in the 3rd if he lasts that long and we’ve addressed corner

          • xmbk

            And I didn’t even know I was in on the conspiracy against you. That’s how good it was.

          • Flyineagle45

            No conspiracy or mention of one

          • Ryan Rambo

            Thats like comparing Shady to Natrone Means

          • Ark87

            Protip: Just compare him to Reggie Bush in the future when you want to crap on him, it will go waaaay better for you.

          • Gian GEAGLE

            few prospects have reminded me more of Westbrook than McCaffrey

        • Bert’s Bells

          I was all on the McCaffrey train until I learned he was a cracker.

          No way ofay can play.

          • MattE

            True Story (We were blizted):

            Roommate: “You know how I can tell if a player is black or white?”
            Me: “How?”
            Roommate: “….by the guys arms”
            Me: “………ya can’t argue with you there, but how do you tell Samoans apart?”
            Roommate: “Those guys are tweeners”
            Me/Roommate: *uncontrollable laughter, then we packed the bong again*

        • xmbk

          Those guys were pounders. McCaffrey is much more juke than power. No comparison.

        • Rellihcs

          With all due respect, Adrian Peterson on the cheap is a joke. He doesn’t want to sign on the cheap, at all. And we don’t need an aging vet, child abuser, who has had injuries a bunch recently when the draft is loaded with deep quality RB talent.

        • MattE
      • ChoTime

        I want there to be a decent white HB in the modern era, just for variety’s sake.

        #GreatWhiteHope

        • Ark87

          It’s semantics, but there have been decent ones. Peyton Hillis had an impressive year or 2 but that was short lived (impressive enough for a bizarre phenomenon to put him on the Madden 2011 cover, what the heck…). Danny Woodhead did some things. Was a decent running back when used juuuust right in San Diego.

          Definitely been a long time since there has been a great white running back though. For some reason the white dudes with wheels all end up playing WR for the Patriots.

    • Sean Stott

      If he is still there they’re taking him

      • Rellihcs

        Your assuredness is obnoxious. I will likely be blocking you in the near future.

        • A Roy

          Well, the fact he’s there will mean others we had higher on the list aren’t. So I gotta agree with stott. Would rather reach a little for a DE or CB, though.

          • Rellihcs

            Ok. I don’t follow that logic at all. Whenever assumes they know details about a teams draft boards, I call bee ess. I hate assumptions.

          • A Roy

            Assumptions are what the draft is all about. We assume talent can make the jump. We assume skills translate to the pros. Even those who get paid to assess talent are incorrect in their assumptions half the time.

            Looking at the “talent board”, we’ll get to choose between McCaffrey, Humphrey, Reddick and, maybe, Ross…unless some number of QBs are drafted before 14 or we trade up. Given those choices, I can easily see McCaffrey being selected.

          • Rellihcs

            Fair enough, to each his own. But to me you are making assumptions about predicting how the top of the draft will go. History has shown definitively that human beings are TERRIBLE at that. Your assumptions just from that last post include that the following players will all be selected before 14, or that the Eagles have zero interest in them:

            Davis, Barnett, Howard, Williams, Cook, Conley, Lattimore, Allen, Foster, King, etc… and others…etc…

            We DO NOT know.

          • A Roy

            Agree, it is unknowable right now, but the smart money bets the chalk.

          • Rellihcs

            Is that so? Chalk has proven to be DUMB money every single year.

            Hello!? Hello!? Is there anybody home? THINK McFly! THINK

          • A Roy

            Conversation over once you went as shat mode.

        • Dan

          Block me as well, I agree with Stott

        • Sean Stott

          I don’t really care, but just watch on draft night. If McCaffrey is available at 14, they will select him. Take it to the bank.

          • Rellihcs

            Fair enough. We shall see.

            Powerball numbers for April 27th?

    • MattE

      pretty sure Marcus Smith has been the worst since Watkins, so no dice

      • kajomo

        Nope Agholor

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Kind of warming up to the idea of drafting McCaffrey. He does so much, odds are he will be able to do something at an Elite level in the NFL.
      ..
      If we had to go back in time, knowing what we know now, if the Only way we get Brian Westbrook is to spend a first round pick on him, i don’t think too many of us would be against it.
      ..
      Westbrook went in the 3rd round over a decade ago, TODAYS NFL has evolved to the Point where the westbrook type is more valuable league wide than that type of player was valued during the time when westbrook lasted TIL round 3. Not only is the NFL more suited to that type of player today, but we have a coach from the andy Reid tree so we saw,first hand how dangerous a weapon like McCaffrey (Brian westbrook) can be in the andy Reid west coast offense.
      ..
      If McCaffrey fails to live up to expectations of a first round running back, odds are we will still be able to recoup a lot of that value by using him in the passing games and special teams.
      ..
      And if we are ever going to invest in a westbrook/McCaffrey type, it doesn’t suck to do it now while there is still time to spend a year learning from Darren Sproles

      • kajomo

        Yeah he’s not Brian Westbrook. Brian was bigger and more physical. CM’s ability between the tackles as a #1 RB is his biggest question mark. Yes they are both good receivers and can be used in a variety of ways, but they are not the same player. McCaffery is more Reggie Bush than Westbrook.

        • RC5000

          I don’t get the Bush comparison. McCaffrey’s vision is elite. Bush’s vision was horrible. They’re like the exact opposite in that critical category.

          Stylistically, McCaffrey is similar to Westbrook outside the tackles. It’s impossible not to see the similarity unless you’re blind. No one is exactly the same as anybody.

          • Gian GEAGLE

            people need to understand that there are really good pass catching RBs like Reggie Bush, and then there are pass catching RBs with an ability to take it a step further and function like WRs which is what made westbrook special. Looks like McCaffrey has that ability to run RB and WR routes in the passing game.
            .
            McCaffrey Seems like a player Bellichek and Andy Reid would fight over

          • RC5000

            McCaffrey is a gifted runner like Westbrook as well. He has great vision and he’s intelligent and has a hard work ethic. Bush was limited by his vision. That’s one reason why he became a bit more of a receiving back.

            He just wasn’t a very good runner compared to other backs. Durability also limited him.

          • kajomo

            I said he was more bush than Westbrook. I never said the same.

            I meant this more in the fact that Bush and CM are both offensive weapons, but lack the physicality to be an every down NFL RB.

            Westbrook in his prime was a RB first who also excelled in the passing game.

          • RC5000

            I just don’t agree with you.

            I saw almost every one of Westy’s home games also. Westy had to learn to be more effective running inside and he did that just enough to keep defenses honest.

            The system and how the coach chooses to use McCaffrey will also be a factor. But he’s a better RB than Bush ever was.

            Westbrook didn’t carry the ball a lot either until he was in his prime – age 27, 28.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Looks a lot closer to westbrook in the passing game than Bush. Bush mostly ran RB routes out the backfield in the passing game, like Wesbrook, you can actually use McCaffrey as a WR, not just as a RB in the passing game, it’s not really the same thing.
          .
          And Most of the experts I heard seem to believe he will be much more capable running between the tackles than the stereotypical too small white RB stigma attached to him.Then again, I also think SPROLES is more capable running between the tackles than he was given credit for during his career, his time in Philly makes me feel like he could have been used between the tackles a lot more than what we saw throughout his career.
          .
          I don’t know if i will be happy with him at #14, I suspect there will be a top 10 Talent on the board at #14. but im starting to warm up to the idea of taking him if he trade back and get another pick
          ..
          Interesting that the top two backs are on extreme opposite ends of the RB spectrum. We have the super talented physical monster RB Fournette whos flaw is he might only be two down back in TODAYS NFL compared to A dynamic well rounded Jack of all trades type RB who can do everything well, but who also happens to be tiny white Guy which is almost unheard in the modern NFL.
          ..
          Dalvin Cook was on philly sports radio today with Ike Reese.

    • kajomo

      If we go RB I hope we go Cook. They have invested some significant time into him during the pre-draft process. He is just a superior player compared to McCaffery. Adding Cook would complete this offense. I have my doubts that McCaffery could ever be a star in the NFL

  • nopain23

    If we’re going offense at 14 hope it’s Howard.
    We need 2 qbs to go top 13 for a blue chip defensive player to fall to us. Cardinals and Browns with their second 1st RD pick seem to be the teams that might go qb.
    I would nt hate the McCaffrey pick. I’d take him over Conley and Humphreys any day. Funny thing if you combined those 2 you’d have a helluva DB.

    • Tdoteaglefan

      I’m with you. The only Offensive players I’d love in the first round are OJ Howard and Davis. Much rather a front 7 player at that spot, Foster, Reddick Or a Dlineman..
      My favorite Corners are guys that are projected to go in the late 1st – 4th rd. King, Morneau, Wilson, Awuzie, White

      • Dan

        Not sure you are really with him, because he said if Howard isn’t available he rather not reach for a CB or defensive player and take McCaffrey.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Im with you. Looking to add a future pro bowler to our front 7.foster, Reddick. DE or DL At #14.
        ..
        If there isn’t a front 7 player worth taking at 14, then I’d turn my sights on offensive weapons.

        I’d like to get two corners between rounds 3 and 5

    • Gian GEAGLE

      I hope we can get a pro bowl caliber front 7 Player (LB, DE, DT). If not, I’d probably look towards an offensive skill player before I look to draft a corner at 14
      ..
      I thought Lattimore and Sydney Jones were the Only top 15 CB prospects, now that Jones is injured, seems like people want to invent a #2 CB worthy of a top 14 pick
      ..
      If before Sydney Jones got hurt we didnt think 3 corners would be drafted in the top 14, we can’t pretend that the #3 CB is worthy of the selection just because the #2 rated CB who was Worthy of that pick got hurt
      ..
      I don’t think we would he talking about any of these corners as a top 14 pick if Lattimore and Jones were both healthy. Let someone else push a corner up the board because of an injury to a corner Who was worth the selection

      • meteorologist

        Exactly right. I think WR is where we will wind up going. Unless a “cornerstone” type stud drops at another position, which is possible with 2+ QBs starting to be expected in the top 13

        QB- no
        RB- no, per Jimmy Kempski, and plain logic
        TE- maybe (darkhorse)
        OL- no, unless we trade one of our starters
        CB- no, doesn’t seem there is consensus on who exactly is worth 14
        S- no, the top 2 wont drop

        That leaves WR, DL, LB
        DL or LB- only if a stud (Foster) drops or if they value someone way more than we think (Taco Charlton, Hasaan Reddick, etc)

        WR- Most likely. 3 potential cornerstone pieces available (actually 2 if Bills take one of them). Also I think John Ross is most likely, with the Bills likely going either Corey Davis or Mike Williams. Ross avoids the “redundant skillset” problem and opens up the underneath game for Ertz, Pope, Alshon, etc

        • sonofdman

          I think if Ross is there, they will take him. Unless someone unexpected like Lattimore drops.

  • GermanEagle

    The Flyers should be drafting Godchaux. Just for the sake of his name.

  • Dominik

    I do have to give McGloin a lot of credit. I saw him early on at Penn
    State and he was erratic. I thought he could have been a good starter at
    a lower level of football, but it seemed like the Big Ten was above his
    head.

    That’s one of the nicest “this player isn’t good at Football” comments I read in a while.

    • ChoTime

      Tommy’s capacity for optimism is humbling.

      Normal commenter: Why are they wasting $ on this loser who’s failed every time he’s stepped on the football field, when plenty of QBs with upside are trying to catch on?

      Tommy: McGloin is a great 3rd quarterback, since he has experience in games.

      • Rellihcs

        Heckofa guy.

        • bushisamoron

          except his inexplicable refusal to change the logo to his website. How many years ago was Vick here?

          • Rellihcs

            If there were a great restaurant where I consistently enjoyed the food – unique level of quality and offerings you wouldn’t get somewhere else – but the place had a worn out old sign, I’d keep going, and I wouldn’t give two ishes about the sign….

            If you want a flashy, modern, well managed website with crappy content, hit me up, I could give you plenty.

    • MattE

      growth mindset kind of guy

  • Gian GEAGLE

    If we are ever going to make an investment in a westbrook/McCaffrey type, it WOULDNT suck if we could get that player in here im time to spend a year learning from Darren Sproles before he retires

    • bushisamoron

      not sure Sproles can teach someone to do what he does. That is talent that you have or you do not.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Nonsense….There is a difference between talent and veteran “Tricks of the trade”
        ..
        No one teaches “Talent”. You think Malcolm Jenkins teaches our young DB’s “Talent” when he mentors them?
        ..
        Also get to see how a similar player who managed to last this long in the league works and manages his body over the course of an NFL offseason, and an NFL season. Tips on how to navigate The philly media, and business side of the sport, there is a reason Veteran leadership is valued in EVERY TEAM SPORT
        ..
        If it was only a question of talent, then there would be no reason for Veterans to ever Mentor young players

        • Bert’s Bells

          Just like you can teach a person grammar, punctuation and spelling but you can’t teach them how to formulate a cogent thought.

          • ChoTime

            Dayum.

          • Bert’s Bells

            It was a hanging curveball, I had to take a rip.

      • Ryan Rambo
  • Dave

    I’m curious about the infatuation of OJ Howard and David Njoku in the first round, especially Howard who is preseumed to go in the top 15. Tight end seems to be a position in the NFL that very dependent upon scheme and QB.

    Pederson and/or Wentz didn’t take advantage of Ertz until later in the year (albeit injury may have been a factor). Trey Burton was passed over in the offense for Ags and DGB when they both were non-factors from day one of the season.

    Outside of Gronk and maybe Kelce, it doesn’t appear teams need to game plan against a particular TE in the league.

    • Insomniac

      Have you watched him play?

      • Dave

        Some. From what I’ve read, he was underutilized, which is my exact point. If he is truly a game-changing tight end, why wasn’t he used? Is it him, or the TE position in general? Is it worth taking someone so high when other players at 14 may have a much higher impact on the game.

        • Insomniac

          For starters, Howard played with a lot of QBs that weren’t really good. Jake Coker, Blake Sims, and Jalen Hurts aren’t QBs that can stray from the game manager that Saban has had for nearly a decade. So they mainly ran the ball and Howard was used to inline block.

          He is a game changing TE. He’s too fast for LBs and too big for most safeties. He’s going to bully and break tackles from DBs who don’t respect his power. His hands are above-average and his RAC skills are probably right on par with Travis Kelce. He’s pretty much the complete opposite of Ertz minus the hands.

          It could have been a lot of things but to me it keeps coming back to the coaches. When plays were dialed up for Howard, he made the most of it. When he was asked to disappear and block again, he made the most of it. He would make an offense better just because he’s just simply good at everything. Not to mention, he has the potential to get even better.

          Bama could barely utilize Julio Jones and Amari Cooper (until his last year) when they were with the team. Trust the tape since Howard’s tape is great and it’s not really just hype.

          • Mac

            Yeah, seems as though Dave’s skepticism of Howard might be more indicative of skepticism of Pederson’s ability to use Howard… which I think is a valid concern.

            It’s funny though, because Howard might be the only offensive player I’d be cool with drafting at 14.

          • Insomniac

            I’d trust Doug more than Chip Kelly with someone like Howard. Some of Doug’s pick ups scream that he wants dynamic players. Our TEs aren’t really dynamic (Celek used to be) and Ertz is as dynamic as a square. Howard is just that kind of guy.

          • Dave

            I think Ertz can be dynamic. Maybe not run after the catch, but he is an excellent route runner and can make spectacular catches.

            Whiten was never dynamic for Romo when compared to Graham or Gronk. But he surely was someone that Romo relied upon to get open and make the catch when needed.

            Mac is spot on with my skepticism. It’s more about TEs being underutilized than lack of ability. Doug’s most frustrating thing as a play caller was his reliance on Ags, DGB, and Treggs instead of building the passing game around Ertz, Burton, Celek, and JMatt.

            Teams talk about mismatches all the time with athletic TEs but outside of New England, not many make the TE the focal point.

          • Insomniac

            Witten has always been dynamic for Romo. Dude broke more tackles in one play than Ertz did in his entire career. He has moved the sticks for that team for a long time with grit and toughness . He just lost it with old age just like Celek did.

            Ertz is just Ertz, everyone knows what he’ll do and he’s easy to plan for. Burton made a few plays here and there when he was on the field. I wouldn’t take any coaches first year all that seriously. Coaches will tinker and throw out concepts when they get new players.

            It’s true that most of them aren’t focal points but you’re not drafting them to be the focal point. You’re taking them to make the offense better overall. Great tight ends command almost as much respect as great WRs from other teams. Gronk gets double teamed within the first 5 yards of scrimmage and can keep teams guessing. It’s arguable if that’s more valuable than just having your #1 WR covered by their best CB and a safety. Now I’m not saying Howard is Gronk but tight ends don’t need to be the focal points to have a great impact.

            The Seahawks traded for Jimmy Graham even though he didn’t fit their system. The Packers signed Jared Cook (who is now with the Raiders) in hopes of trying to get a new weapon so they could make another run. The Patriots signed Martellus Bennet (now a Packer) with the same idea. So some successful teams know how valuable they are.

          • Dave

            OK, thx. I am just weary of drafting a player that is not utilized. Outside of Romo/Whiten and Brady/Gronk (I left out Smith/Kelce because Smith is such a game manager), I just don’t see QBs utilizing the TE position like they do with WRs (Jones, Dez, AJ, Antonio, etc.).

            To me, taking a tight end high in the draft is akin to taking a center in the same draft slot. It’s much easier to find a good TE/center later while elite pass rushers, CBs, tackles, etc. are much harder to find.

          • Insomniac

            There was Brees/Graham that dominated too. If you’re going to take him that high then you’re going to try to utilize him. It’s easier to find an elite WR now compared to finding an elite TE.

            You can argue that an elite WR might have more impact but both positions have to be accounted for if they’re that good. I’d say it’s probably harder to cover Gronk compared to OBJ since there’s not many players that can cover him alone.

            Maybe I’m being biased here but I don’t see anyone there among the premier positions at 14 unless someone like Solomon Thomas or Marshon Lattimore falls into our laps.

  • BobSmith77

    McCloin is a classic ‘Meh’ acquisition. 3rd-string QB on a team with a young, franchise-caliber QB and a highly-paid, well-experienced young backup.

    If the Eagles are forced to play McCloin for a more than a game, their season is already down the drain.

    • GermanEagle

      When was the last time the signing of a 3rd string QB was a ‘wow’ acquisition for you?!

      • Mac

        How bout the epic third string QB battle between Barkley and Tebow?

      • Bert’s Bells

        Dream Team

        • GermanEagle

          You mean when the Eagles signed Vince frigging Young to be their 3rd string QB. Got it..

          • Bert’s Bells

            SPLASH!

      • BobSmith77

        Not expecting it to be a ‘wow’ acquisition. It is a basic roster filer move. Nothing more, nothing less.

        Eagles already made their biggest investment here when they acquired Foles. I wasn’t crazy about the price but certainly understand why that made that move.

        McGloin has experience and is likely better than a 7th round pickz/UFDA but why does every move with you a positive one?

      • Dave

        Tebow!

    • Bert’s Bells

      Not necessarily. 2002, Koy goes down after whipping the 49ers. AJ holds the fort under McNabb’s back.

    • Ryan Rambo

      What if we’re already locked up the NFC East and Foles is at his 4th cousins’ Bar mitzvah?

  • Insomniac

    RIP Charlie Murphy.

  • Sean Stott

    McGloin is nothing more than a camp arm, and won’t even make the final roster

    • GermanEagle

      Is that what your guys at Nova tell you?!

      • Sean Stott

        lmao

  • kajomo

    I feel like the eagles are visiting/working out a lot of guys that are late 1st round targets. I wonder if they have been discussing some trade down scenarios with teams and want to be prepared for such a move.

  • meteorologist

    I think WR is where we will wind up going. Unless a “cornerstone” type stud drops at another position, which is possible with 2+ QBs starting to be expected in the top 13

    QB- no
    RB- no, per Jimmy Kempski, and plain logic
    TE- maybe (darkhorse)
    OL- no, unless we trade one of our starters
    CB- no, doesn’t seem there is consensus on who exactly is worth 14
    S- no, the top 2 wont drop

    That leaves WR, DL, LB
    DL or LB- only if a stud (Foster) drops or if they value someone way more than we think (Taco Charlton, Hasaan Reddick, etc)

    WR- Most likely. 3 potential cornerstone pieces available (actually 2 if Bills take one of them). Also I think John Ross is most likely, with the Bills likely going either Corey Davis or Mike Williams. Ross avoids the “redundant skillset” problem and opens up the underneath game for Ertz, Pope, Alshon, etc. Additionally, consider the attention they have shown Ross (they were his only visit before he had surgery or something like that)

    Also:
    http://www.phillyvoice.com/doug-pederson-gives-high-praise-washington-wr-john-ross/

    • Insomniac

      Joe: Howie we sure as hell can’t use sports science to rehab two bum knees that might blow up anytime something touches it
      Howie: Hey Doug go make up some shit about Ross. The media will buy it and turn it into a smokescreen for us
      Doug: Sure what should I say?
      Howie: Something about smoothies making guys able to stay healthy, it’s bulletproof.

    • xmbk

      I really don’t think the lack of consensus in mock drafts will stop the Eagles from drafting a CB if they like one. The whole “half a round early” thing is overblown. Assessments aren’t that accurate.

  • Steve Smegal

    Yes, please:

    Round 1 Pick 24 (OAK): Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
    Round 2 Pick 11: TreDavious White, CB, LSU
    Round 2 Pick 24 (OAK): Kevin King, CB, Washington
    Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida
    Round 4 Pick 12: David Sharpe, OT, Florida
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Josh Carraway, DE, TCU
    Round 5 Pick 11: Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame
    Round 6 Pick 10: Josh Harvey-Clemons, SS/OLB, Louisville
    Round 7 Pick 12: Ben Boulware, ILB, Clemson

    • Will Ft. Daft Punk

      I dont think King and White last that long

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  • scratcherk

    what are thoughts on adoree jackson? super athletic dude. did well against john ross. weapon on STs. he’s just so slight tho. looks like desean playing CB