OT Early?
Posted: April 25th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 258 Comments »
There was some talk on Twitter about whether the Eagles would consider taking an OT with pick 14. The top 3 OT prospects are Garrett Bolles, Ryan Ramczyk and Cam Robinson (listed alphabetically). There is no clear-cut leader among the trio. I like Ramczyk the best, but others prefer Robinson and some feels Bolles will be first off the board.
I do not think the Eagles will take an OT at 14. I don’t think they should. Simply put, none of those players is worth pick 14.
There is logic to the idea of adding an OT. The guy would sit for a year and develop. He could then take over at LT or RT next year, depending on what the team does with Lane Johnson. If Jason Peters has another good year and decides to play in 2018, the OT would sit for another season or challenge for another starting spot on the OL.
I hope the Eagles pass on OTs and go elsewhere.
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One interesting mid-round player for me is Will Holden, the LT from Vanderbilt. He could play LT, RT or OG. If you want a versatile, talented body to add to the mix, he would make some sense.
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Eliot Shorr-Parks has an interesting nugget. The Eagles recently met with Reuben Foster. They brought him to Philly several weeks ago, but for some reason decided to talk to him again. What do we make of this?
My best guess is that the team is trying to decide if they like him as a 2nd round target, and if so…how much. Would you move up from 43 to take him? Foster was thought to be a Top 10 type of talent, but has had an awful postseason. I think he will go in the 2nd round. He could be great value there, but only if teams are comfortable with the issues that knocked him out of the 1st.
We never fully know what is going on behind the scenes. You can bet Foster’s people are working hard to try to keep him in the 1st round. And maybe some teams will set aside his issues and take him. There are just so many questions with him that I think he will slide.
Some of you still want the Eagles to take him in the 1st. Mr. Bama and I agree on that…
Eagles aren't going to take Cook or Foster at 14. Apologies in advance if these are players you want them to take. Gonna go hide now. Bye.
— Jimmy Kempski (@JimmyKempski) April 24, 2017
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I am warming up to the idea of RB Alvin Kamara in the 2nd round. There is no question he’s an outstanding prospect and deserves to go early. I was hoping the Eagles would get a more physical runner. I still worry about that side of things, but the offense needs playmakers and Kamara has that kind of ability.
If the Eagles want a RB in the 2nd…they could be choosing from Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara and Dalvin Cook. We don’t know if Mixon or Cook are still on the draft board. My guess is they are, but that’s purely speculation.
Kareem Hunt is still my favorite RB from this class. And he feels like a Joe Douglas kind of player. He would be a 3rd round target.
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In case you missed it, I posted a mock draft at ScoutsNotebook yesterday. I had the Eagles getting WR Corey Davis.
Corey Davis is a nightmare matchup problem in the slot pic.twitter.com/0ZvF2xAign
— Eliot Crist (@EliotCrist) April 17, 2017
Corey Davis, Red Zone Nightmare #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/nI9aIyztIu
— Dominic Gugliotta (@domgoogs24) April 3, 2017
Do you prefer this guy or a top shelf CB?
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Would be perfectly happy with Davis. My favorite of the three top WRs.
Taking the players out of this draft class – and just considering positional value, I personally would prefer an elite CB rather than an elite WR. You can make an offence work at an elite level without having a great WR, while i think you need a CB you trust to handle 1v1 assignments to be a great defence.
However with this class i am not so sure where the value is at 14 honestly. So much is going to impact how the draft works out depending on how picks fall ahead of us. I could see 3-4 QB’s going or 0 honestly. Solomon Thomas could go top 3 or slide into the teens. Same with Jonathan Allen. Eagles should stack their board true and just let the draft come to them, and best case could be looking for a nice trade down into the late 1st for another 2nd.
I agree and I think they’ll still hope Agholor and the others step up. The Eagles are currently going into a season without 1 dependable corner.
No problem with Davis at 14 but would prefer Howard. Im intrigued with the possibility of a lethal 2 TE set combo with him and Ertz.
I see the Howard intrigue but think he will be gone, and i think Davis will be more of a offensive weapon throughout their careers.
Read that davis “may” have a minor issue with drops….WR and the word drop scares me to death ….albeit a supremely talented one. Howard seems like a clean prospect with top 10 -12 talent which would be great value at 10. Can block, catch, run, break tackles. Everything we want ertz to be and seems to be a good kid. Philly fans would love this kid and maybe he pushes ertz.
I keep waiting for Ertz to become that “lethal” weapon. Each year they tell us “this is his year”, yet it still hasn’t happened.
Don’t worry, THIS is the year.
Or possibly next year, but…no, no definitely this year.
He’s been lethal for years.
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In December.
Need to start talking to him about Santa watching what he does on the field in September this year.
He’s always better in November/December.
NWSL season ends in late September/October.
Lurie needs to start a Philly franchise and bring Julie out here full time.
Maybe you’re the person who can explain the Howard love to me. He’s physically impressive, and has all the tools, from what I’ve heard, but there’s no real evidence outside of maybe one game where he proved himself to be such an amazing offensive weapon. Again, I could be wrong.
What I see from the coverage of Howard is that he has limited evidence of playing like a star offensive weapon, but everyone says, “it’s just that they didn’t use him that way in their offense.” Take that defense and use it for any other player, and it sounds weak. If they didn’t use him that way, then where’s the proof that he’s this can’t-miss prospect, the next coming of Antonio Gates? Everyone says he’s a great blocker, too, but it’s weird because why say “too”, when that’s what most of the tape shows, that he’s a great blocker? That’s like saying Fournette is a great runner, too.
Again, maybe I’m missing something, but with everyone saying “that’s just how they used him in that offense”, I don’t get where all the on-field proof of Howard’s supposed dominance is.
Short version
Bum QBs, his last 2 QBs were more RBs than QBs. Bama is the college program that would rather run the ball and not feed a WR like Julio Jones. Lane Kiffin is pretty much a moron, he valued Howard’s blocking more than his RAC and receiving skills. Lets use the Clemson games since you brought it up. Howard scorches them in limited opportunities instead of feeding the hot hand they use him to block and dump offs. Howard killed the Senior Bowl and combine.
That’s fine, but again, he is still a huge projection rather than a guaranteed thing. I asked why people are so convinced he’s a sure thing when there’s little game tape to show it, and people responded by saying that he was underused because of QBs. I’m not looking for more reasons why he was underused; I already know that there’s limited evidence on him. I’m asking why, with that limited evidence, everyone is still SO high on him.
And don’t get me wrong, I understand people _liking_ him. it’s just that people seem to LOVE him. As in, “Eagles have to pick him at 14” love him. I can’t understand why he gets a pass on “it wasn’t his fault we have no real, extended evidence of his dominant potential, it was the QB/OC/offense/whatever”, while other players don’t get close to that kind of pass. Consider Corey Davis, or any other small school player. A lot of the people talking up Howard would take him over Davis. We have so much more footage of Davis dominating, but the excuse to not take him is that he played against weaker competition. But at least we have years of tape on him.
I just don’t see how the lack of consistent offensive output with Howard is so easily dismissed.
What insomniac said plus Saban admitted that he was severely under used because of limited QB play. And almost every nfl evaluator ( moyock, todd, brooks et al) opined that kiffen dropped the ball with this kid in Bamas offense. However when his number was called he excelled. In the senior bowl…he caught EverythinG from sub par QBs. He was also uncoverable. Pair this kid with wentz and the sky’s the limit. Ok . Im not a fan of the underwear olympics but he shined there as well. Plus no offfield baggage, no injury history. Great kid.
I would really like to draft Corey Davis. I think he is my top choice.
“Simply put, none of those players is worth pick 14.” Agree completely! Let’s fix the defense this year – next year we can look to the OL (or later this year for some depth).
You do know the defense was better than the offense last year – and it really wasn’t close.
That’s sadly what the Eagles have said too many times — look to the OL next year.
Nightmare out of the slot. What would that mean for JM?
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Speaking of wr’s … with this 1 yr contract trend that seems to be happening in the NFL — I would think teams lose out on money for certain players. For example – if AJ signed a multi year deal, I’d be inclined to buy his jersey. Since it’s only a 1 year deal – I won’t buy his jersey. Maybe the impact is so small that it’s a non-issue. If football is a business though, that’s money lost…
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I don’t know why — but I think of Douglas as a guy to find the right defensive people. When someone compares an offensive weapon to what Douglas wants – I don’t see the connection….I’d hope that offensive weapons are the specialty of Pederson or OC or RB coach or all 3.
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Almost forgot — if Eagles go OT in round 1 – I expect Douglas to be fired before round 2 starts.
Were you planning on buy one million jerseys?
I’ll answer that question with another question — am I the only Eagle fan that buys jerseys?
Yes.
I buy them but more as a collection, typically I only wear my lucky Brent Celek since I don’t care if Celeks jersey gets dirty or ruined. The players I really like, typically I only wear their jersey a couple times and then retire it to my walls in The man cave
Just this past Christmas I got an Eagles jersey from my lovely wife. But because she’s not just lovely, but also brilliant… I have a brand new Randall Cunningham jersey.
They guy who single handedly ruined a perfect season and Superbowl Championship by getting hurt? good choice. (joking of course. I have one of his jerseys as well)
For a second there, I thought Media Mike had hacked your account.
I think the team values salary cap dollars over real-world dollars (likely realizing that a winning program is more profitable and salary cap is a big part of building a winning program, but no reason to be cynical) and the one-year deal prioritizes salary cap flexibility.
Nightmare in the slot. I think that would mean that we’re switching over to an unconventional offense where the WRs do nothing. Oh wait, that’s the type of offense we’re trying to transition away from… so, this player doesn’t make sense.
I’m actually more confused than ever at people wanting Davis based on this. I’m tired of elite slot wide receivers.
It’s like saying, “but it’s the best Chevy you can get.” When what I really want is reliable transportation.
Are you saying Davis is a slot reciever? I don’t think that’s the case. He’s a elite WR prospect who among other things, can also dominate in the slot. Like most top WRs. Name a top WR in current or recent times (heck, past too), and they can all play in the slot.
Thanks for clearing that up. I really haven’t focused in much on any of the top 3 WRs because I’ve been convinced they’ll be addressing something else because of the way free agency was handled. I guess I’m kind of assuming it’ll be a mid round WR from this class.
I hear you. I’ve been hot on Davis’s case since the get-go (yeah, I said that…). Bottom line, he’s a stud. To me TO, Antonio Brown, Demarius Thomas, Jordy Nelson pedigree. BPA type. And he makes the WR corp much stronger with Alson and Smith this year – makes JMat tradable or that much more effective. Better to be 4 deep with very good talent than 3. And it gives more security for the position the following year.
But he’s not even close to be considered a limited outside guy and just a slot guy.
Do yourself a favor and youtube him – and watch the top 2 or three videos, not just the top hit.
I completely agree! Love Corey Davis
Exactly. Most of the top guys play outside and in the slot, depending on the play. That kind of versatility causes nightmares for defensive coordinators.
we’re only commenting about something that was said in a tweet…..
I tried to get a jernigan jersey in time for the draft but I haven’t found one yet
The NFL pools all money from merchandise sales and distributes it evenly among the 32 teams. The net effect of the loss of revenue from people who would have bought a Jeffery jersey deciding to not buy any jersey st all is most likely so insignificant it’s not even worth even considering.
I would be happy if the Eagles go after a OT and continue to make bolstering our OL into a dominant unit a high priority.
Again, the OL is the engine of an offense – the QB, run game and pass game cannot reach their full potential without a very good OL that consistently protects the QB, opens lanes for the run game and negates the opponent’s pass rush.
A dominant OL helps a young QB develop into a confident, competent and healthy performer.
It also helps a HC and OC fully open the playbook to take advantage of defensive weaknesses.
OT is one of the top 3 most important positions in football IMO. If there is a chance to get a difference maker or upgrade at the OT position either for now or the future, I would hope the Roseman is aware of it and looking into those options.
This goes back again to what the Eagles team identity and roster construction strategy is….I’ve never heard a clearly defined plans based on what wins in the NFL yet from the Eagles. If the strategy center around a dominant offense, then heck yeah you better have an excellent and deep OL to have even a chance to make that a reality.
I agree with the ideology. My concern is that these particular OTs aren’t being identified as dominant, and I think we can get a difference maker at another position at 14.
I’d take Cam at 14 and sleep soundly at night.
If he’s going to sit a year behind Peters and Johnson? (He really needs a testicle related name to make this fertile territory for the likes of ATG).
No Cam can and is best suited to play guard early on(the sheer volume of our depth at the position is the only reason why it’s not a home run pick). He’s a 21 year old La’el Collins or Kelechi Osemele not Laremy Tunsil or Joe Thomas.
I agree, I was talking more of general principles than the #14 pick this year.
I’m on that bus, too. But not if you’re drafting an OT at 14 to sit his rookie year. There’s better value to be had at 14 (and I’m not a huge fan of the options that are allegedly going to be there at 14). I only do this if you move Peters and finally get Lane over to the left side.
So I definitely want OT for sure. Davenport from Bucknell is a good prospect, of course the one Tommy mentioned too and some others. But if it’s not a good top quality draft for them, forcing one at 14 is dumb.
Good point.
With Peters here another year, we have a pretty unique chance in this draft to get a future starter outside of the first round. Usually, when teams need OT, they have to draft one high because ‘learning on the job’ is just not what you want from your tackles (See, Vaitai). But this year they can specifically target a player with high upside/potential, but one who has a ways to go and needs to sit at least a season, for whatever reason (injury, bulk, technique). Unless they are very high on the guy they already drafted with this purpose (Gordon), I am willing to bet they will pick up a dude like that outside of rd 1-2.
Just watched Joe Mixon highlights. This guy is a complete beast. Big, fast, shifty and great hands. Perfect rb for this offense. Think he is better than front because of the hands. I am full on board with drafting him in the second round if he is there.
Oh no question he’s perfect on the football field at the RB position. Like, literally.
Definitely has fast hands.
you think he is a Southpaw lol?
I like the idea of taking a WR with #1 characteristics that can sit and learn the NFL game for a year; especially in the Philly market, the pressure to perform immediately is overwhelming.
Of course, if we went that route the public would be outraged that our #1 pick was being brought along slowly.
For me- value is important, but finding guys that can help the team win and build up a new “core” is more important. I’d prefer a small trade back from 14 to no lower than 22, with the compensation being a third round and an additional 5th or 6th.
My draft wishlist:
WR — (1) Get one of these guys —
Corey Davis, 6’3″ 209 Western Michigan
John Ross, 5’11” 188 Washington
Zay Jones, 6’2″ 201 East Carolina
Taywan Taylor, 5’11” 203 Western Kentucky
Shelton Gibson, 5’11” 191 West Virginia
Carlos Henderson, 5’11” 199 Louisiana Tech
Chris Godwin, 6’1″ 209 Penn State
RB — (1) Get one of these guys —
Christian McCaffrey, 5’11” 202 Stanford
Dalvin Cook, 5’10” 210 Florida State
Joe Mixon, 6’1″ 226 Oklahoma
Alvin Kamara, 5’10” 214 Tennessee
D’Onta Foreman, 6’0″ 233 Texas
Samaje Perine, 5’11” 233 Oklahoma
Marlon Mack, 5’11” 213 South Florida
Brian Hill, 6’1″ 219 Wyoming
James Conner, 6’1″ 233 Pittsburgh
EDGE — (1) Get one of these guys —
Taco Charlton, 6’6″ 277 Michigan
Takk McKinley, 6’2″ 250 UCLA
Charles Harris, 6’3″ 253 Missouri
T.J. Watt, 6’4″ 252 Wisconsin
Tyus Bowser, 6’3″ 247 Houston
Jordan Willis, 6’4″ 255 Kansas
Tarrell Basham, 6’4″ 269 Ohio
Daeshon Hall, 6’5″ 266 Texas A&M
Derek Rivers, 6’4″ 248 Youngstown State
CB — (2-3) Get two or three of these guys —
Gareon Conley, 6’0″ 195 Ohio State
Chidobe Awuzie, 6’0″ 202 Colorado
Kevin King, 6’3″ 200 Washington
Tre’Davious White, 5’11” 192 LSU
Adoree Jackson, 5’10” 186 USC
Quincy Wilson, 6’1″ 211 Florida
Cordrea Tankersley, 6’1″ 199 Clemson
Ahkello Witherspoon,6’3″ 198 Colorado
Shaquill Griffin, 6’0″ 194 Central Florida
Cameron Sutton, 5’11” 188 Tennessee
Corn Elder, 5’10” 183 Miami
Damontae Kazee, 5’10” 184 San Diego State
Jourdan Lewis, 5’10” 188 Michigan
DT — (1) Get one of these guys —
Dalvin Tomlinson, 6’3″ 310 Alabama
Eddie Vanderdoes, 6’3″ 305 UCLA
Jaleel Johnson, 6’3″ 316 Iowa
D.J. Jones, 6’1″ 319 Mississippi
Carlos Watkins, 6’3″ 309 Clemson
Ryan Glasgow, 6’3″ 302 Michigan
OL, TE, LB, S — (1) Get one —
Antonio Garcia, OT 6’6″ 302 Troy
Will Holden, OT 6’7″ 311 Vanderbilt
Rod Johnson, OT 6’7″ 298 Florida State
Evan Engram, TE 6’3″ 234 Mississippi
Gerald Everett, TE 6’3″ 239 South Alabama
George Kittle, TE 6’4″ 247 Iowa
Zach Cunningham,LB 6’3″ 234 Vanderbilt
Alex Anzalone, LB 6’3″ 241 Florida
Marcus Williams, FS 6’1″ 202 Utah
Marcus Maye, FS 6’0″ 210 Florida
John Johnson, FS 6’0″ 208 Boston College
Go get em Howie.
I would take a CB over Davis. Weak WR class and WR isn’t such a premium position as it used to be. You can find someone who could put up almost similar production in day 2 without paying a premium price this year.
tell that to last years WR’s
It wasn’t a strong WR class last year too. The most productive WR from that class so far is Michael Thomas who was a day 2 pick.
i meant our WR’s lol
It’s a weak WR class in that the dropoff from the top few is pretty steep, as opposed to a strong CB class, where there are so many solid prospects that you can get a top guy in later rounds. So based on the strengths and weaknesses of this class, it makes far more sense to go WR first, CB second, if one of the top WRs is still on the board.
There’s no way in hell that the top 3 WRs in this class are significantly worse than the top WRs in other classes. It’s just not solid later on, like, for example, 2014 was. 2014 was for WRs what this year is for CBs.
I don’t think so. The drop off from Gareon Conley to someone like Marlon Humphrey or Tre’Davious White is bigger than compared to Corey Davis to Zay Jones. People keep saying that this is a deep CB draft but they don’t account for schemes which would limit choices. You can just plug in a WR and be fine.
That’s really just your opinion. The 2014 draft was mostly top heavy and had 2 WRs later on in John Brown/Martavis Bryant that were productive. There’s probably around 6-9 guys that could be a WR #2 in round 3-5.
Taywan Taylor
Chris Godwin
Juju Smith-Schuster
ArDarius Stewert
Chad Hansen
Dede Westbrook
Cooper Kupp
Amara Darboh
Isaiah Ford
Josh Reynolds
2014 was top heavy with something like 5-6 guys at the top. That’s called deep.
And I’m sorry, but I disagree on the comparison of the dropoffs at positions. I think that so many CBs have been projected to go in the first round that it’s crazy. Maybe the dropoff from the top 1 or 2 to the next tier is there, but it’s not by much. That’s true of any draft. You can have one or two top players who are head and shoulders above everyone else and still be deep at a position. This year at DE/EDGE is another example.
Fact is, 5-6 CBs could go in the first round in this draft. 2-3 WRs. There’s a significant dropoff from the top tier to the next one at CB, and the top tier is MUCH bigger as well.
Again you have to account for scheme for CBs. While 5-6 CBs could go in the first round, that doesn’t mean teams have them rated similarly. Grading CBs is much different compared to grading WRs.
Could there be 5-6 CBs in the first? Who knows. Teams need CBs more than WRs. No one called last years CB group deep before 5 CBs went in the first round and 5 more in the second round. Heck most people were calling some CB picks reaches. No one knows what these teams are rating the CBs except for their selves.
Tommy ‘s opinion was no way Conley would be there at 14.
That remains to be seen.
Everything remains to be seen. What receivers will be available later. When the corners will go.
If the drop from Davis to Jones isn’t big, he may not be available at 43.
Jones could be gone by our 2nd pick or he could go in between our 3rd round pick. I don’t see Davis being as dynamic as he was in college at the next level.
So reading further below you’re saying you prefer Lattimore or Conley over Davis if they’re available because there is a larger gap between Conley or Lattimore and say Tankersley than Davis and Godwin or Jones.
It’s not just a corner as in any corner that is next on the board at 14…if Lattimore and Conley are gone.
https://twitter.com/joethomas73/status/856579772339683329
Agree with one exception, you can test dilute-positive. Which means you were lit like a Christmas tree recently.
Maybe this the year we trade our first for a second and first next year. This and every year after this one, netting us someone else’s (hopefully better) 1st and a pair of seconds each year.
I don’t think they could do it with the draft in Philly.
It shouldn’t matter but it would be a PR nightmare.
Probably true… unless… we bring things full circle by having the trade announced by Donovan McNabb?
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“But Number Five Will Always Love You!”
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Well, that is frustrating…
https://twitter.com/pfrumors/status/856887532889440256
Why is it frustrating?
That is one of the guys I was hoping for.
I’m still hoping for Davis in the first. Kareem hunt is the rb as well, which means of course that he won’t be an eagle.
Yeah he’s a serious target of mine too – and I upvoted you. But I’d give a simultaneous downvote for the negativity if I could too.
Haha. Every year there’s a guy I really want here that I watch a team take two picks after the Eagles.
Me too. But that wasn’t the case when they took Shady (for me). Or BG. Or Lane Johnson. Or Fletcher. I could go on….
I hate negativity.
How is it that an NFL franchise would be, will be crucified for picking Mixon. .but no one bashing Oklahoma for him ?????
It’s a systemic problem in our country, including but also beyond the NCCA, NFL, specific teams, etc… There is a ton of blame to go around – and of course to the perpetrators too.
Draft him and start blaming the system !!!! Brilliant
Ha, unrelated. Blame the system anyway. Are you blaming Mixon for Ray Rice’s incident? Brantley’s? I’ll stop there because they are the only two incidents like this by athletes or men in general…
I just don’t understand how Oklahoma legacy thrives with this guy leasing them
Leading them
Uh, its the south, college football first, misogyny second, Jesus third… Where does racism fit in? Whatever…what don’t you understand?
Because it’s college football in the south
District Attorney Jerry Jones confirms that the charges against Alabama athletes Cam Robinson and Laurence ‘Hootie’ Jones have been dropped.
Jerry Jones cited insufficient evidence in proving who
was in possession of the gun and the drugs, thus, he is dropping the
charges.
Jones says, “I want to emphasize once again that
the main reason I’m doing this is that I refuse to ruin the lives of two
young men who have spent their adolescence and teenage years, working and sweating, while we were all in the air conditioning.”
Well put. And call me a soft liberal, but there’s plenty of “making misogyny cool” lyrics in 99% if not 100 of the music to their highlight reels on youtube…and in our culture in general.
That’s a whole other issue for another day.
But the fact that an Alabama DA felt comfortable admitting that the reason they didn’t get charged let alone get railroaded with 5 year bids is that they play football is really fucking creepy at best.
But the fact that Bob Stoops doesn’t get more shit for having three high profile players (DGB, Mixon, Dede) with serious violence against women issues on his team concurrently says alot too.
Abso-fn’-lutely. 100 times over. And then some. This sucks about the world and it’s true in many places (difference convo for different day…)
Somebody gittin paid. Louisiana is corrupt as fuck. To clarify it was a Louisiana DA. It happened in Louisiana.
Louisiana has emerged as America’s most corrupt state with the highest rate of convictions for people in public office, official figures revealed this week.
The Southern state came top for public corruption convictions with nine per 100,000 population. Overall Louisiana convicted 403 public officials in the past ten years.
The data was compiled by the Justice Department, covering the period from 2002 until 2011.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2412634/Louisiana-tops-list-countrys-corrupt.html
insufficient evidence in proving who
was in possession of the gun and the drugs, thus, he is dropping the
charges
!!!
So scary its humorous
Like the mom who said,
It’s not fair that the kids have to fear for their lives every time thry go out robbing and stealing
Colleges are corrupt.
Agree and you make me think immediately that Joe Pa knew !! Yeah Joe Pa creeps me out. . I was majorly joe must go .. then a bud who was recruited by Penn State said ther were standing orders to keep players away from Sandoosky .. joe knew
I wonder if this is how Joe approaches the draft?
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/caserio-patriots-have-only-50-75-players-their-draft-board
So that trade down to pick up a third to take Jones is looking more and more appealing to me…
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/856903366802276352
Probably have to take him in the second no?
I think the guess is second or third round for him. So doubtful he’d be there at 99, but if we pick up a pick earlier in the 3rd, it’s more of a possibility.
I’d be shocked if he goes in the second. If he tore his ACL then sure the 2nd round sounds like a good spot for him. Because, athletes come back full strength all the time from ACLs these days. But, while the ACL is just a structural component that provides stability for the joint, the Achilles’ tendon is literally one of the most important functional structures that gives athletes their explosion. Tearing your Achilles is often a death sentence for an explosive athlete. Most players never fully regain their speed and explosion and most are forced to retire. I can’t even think of one single skill position player that has returned from a ruptured Achilles in recent memory. The only players that ever seem to continue playing are ones like DeMeco Ryan’s and Jason Peters who played positions that weren’t reliant on explosive cuts and running fast. And, anyone that I’ve ever seen return from that injury is noticeably slower. So I wouldn’t touch him before the 5th round. He’ll be able to run in 6 months. That’s what the surgeon predicts. The chance he’s able to run fast enough to be an NFL CB is probably closer to 25%.
The letter doesn’t say anything all that positive. All it says is the surgery didn’t involve any complications and he’s on schedule with his healing and rehab. There’s still a ton of former NFL and college players that had uncomplicated Achilles repairs and were able to slowly flex their foot a month later who never regained their form.
Other OT tackles in prior discussions were from Indiana & Bucknell (Finley ? & ??). Not at 14, but later & much later.
Feeney is a G and Davenport isn’t as good as Vaitai.
Thought Feeley (thank you btw) was OL swing & Davenport (thanks again) was former basketball player w/ good mobility that could be a developmental project for down the road.
Feeney played some RT this year due to injuries but he’s a G in the NFL (he could maybe spot start at T but nothing more than a game or two).
Davenport is a guy that should be a UDFA but is being pushed up by this class. He’s not better than Vaitai and if the team is going to add a guy like that then it should be as a UDFA, and Davenport is going to go before that point.
http://deadspin.com/first-round-nfl-draft-prospect-accused-of-sexual-assaul-1794627303
I wonder who it is?
Apparently Conley. Oh man, between this and the Jones injury, this has not been a good pre-draft process for us.
Why do you say apparently Conley?
http://www.tmz.com/2017/04/25/nfl-prospect-gareon-conley-accused-of-rape-denies-allegations/
Beat me to it.
Actually, we might need a couple of third round picks for corners…
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/856919370173472772
https://twitter.com/TMZ_Sports/status/856915344316706816
https://twitter.com/BSO/status/856918522282352642
Howie leaked it to make sure after everyone found out they ‘love’ him.
My totally uninformed first reaction is that the timing of this one reeks of a smear campaign by someone looking to get even or get paid.
We will see.
Yeah. Apparently happened on April 9 but the police haven’t filed a report yet. Either they are trying to keep it quiet until after the draft, or there isn’t enough evidence to figure out what happened, or something like that.
Or they’re small town pigs protecting their big school benefactors.
Right, that would be the “keep it quiet until after the draft” option. Or bury it completely if possible I guess.
Or she hasn’t filed a report yet.
I know its naivete but please ladies do not meet a stranger in the elevator at 3 A.M. and go to his room or whatever especially by yourself.
But if you think of all the times you met someone in an elevator at 3AM and went to a hotel room for totally innocent reasons…
Not that there are any actions that forfeit one’s right to withhold consent, but holy hell, prospects aren’t the only ones making poor decisions.
I will never complain about having too much OL/DL talent or depth, but I thought Vaitai showed enough promise last yeà r that I’d rather the Eagles spend another year evaluating his growth rate before investing a premier pick on a tackle. With Barbe, Peters, Lane and Vaitai all having NFL OT experience, it should buy us at least 1 more yeà r before going OT with a top 100 pick in the draft..
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And that doesn’t even include “the Great” Taylor Hart at OT
How do these guy’s agents not wrap them in bubble wrap until the draft?
Who wants to organize a Prospect Development Camp with me? We confiscate all cell phones at the gates, social media is banned, we shoot down any drones, allow only fully vetted guests and team visits and bring in guest speakers to talk to the players about doing dumb shit. We charge a percentage fee based on the contract that the player signs.
Sure does seem that leaving college, and lots of free time before the draft to have fun before starting the NFL career thing, does not work well for a number of prospects.
Even if this one turns out to be someone trying to cash in, these guys are not as used to being potential targets and can put themselves into more position to be targeted.
Of course, the first ACL injury suffered at your Camp…
That’s the beauty, though. We control all information coming into or going out of the camp. By the time that the story gets straightened out that the player didn’t tear his ACL trying to scale the walls to reach the drug-carrying siren luring him out, the draft has taken place and the rest of our clients prove our worth.
I am thinking Tony’s Dungyon.
I think you overestimate the average intelligence of these guys
Most of the agents are the ones lending them the money to do the partying
Not to make light of a rape accusation, but seems like Conley just won the 2017 Laremy Tunsil award
Its still early…draft night is two nights away
The woman accusing him is rumored to be related to Howie Roseman
Maybe it was Howie Roseman?!
Maybe, his voice can certainly pass for a 19yr old girl
Now we know why Joe Douglas was brought to Philadelphia. I’m sure Howie was terrified
The Rape accusation probably makes him more desirable to the dirty cowboy scum
So at a minimum, the Conley situation involves a sex party in Cleveland and elevator propositions? My life is so boring. Even in LA. It would only be more boring in Cleveland.
Oh, and heads up. Whatever you do, do NOT dive into the comments section on the TMZ site. You will be irrevocably sullied. I need to go take 20 showers.
Round 1 Pick 25 (HOU): Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25 (HOU): Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State (A)
Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Marquel Lee, OLB, Wake Forest (B+)
Round 5 Pick 11: Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State (B-)
Round 6 Pick 10: Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: Elijah Lee, OLB, Kansas State (B-)
Probably need an extra 5 or 6 to go with that 2nd from Houston
I don’t know enough names to be doing a mock draft, and while it would be really foolish to plan your draft around certain positions, an ideal scenario for me would be the draft falling in a way where the BPA fits these positions
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Rd 1… Front 7 help to deal with all the scary weapons like Zeke, Dez, ODB. i think I like Foster and Reddick more than the DEs so I’ll say LB
Rd 2 RB
Rd 3 Corner
Rd 4 Corner
Rd 4 Edge Rusher
Rd 5 DT
Rd 6 OG or OT
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Rd 7 WR/RB hybrid weapon
Waiting until the third and fourth round to address the secondary would be a disaster in my opinion
Really? I drafted two positions before I took the first corner, and 1 of those 2 picks (Bolstering the front 7) directly makes life easier for whoever our corners are. I would call a top 100 pick a significant investment. I also still think/hope that Howie announces a trade for a starting corner before The end of this draft. my philosophy is that until you get right in the trenches(both sides) the rest doesnt really matter any way
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What percentage of corners drafted in the first two rounds end up being busts? And half of the ones who won’t be busts will probably not be ready to play as rookies anyway, It’s likely that not all the best corners from this draft class will come out of the first two rounds and I just don’t look at spending a 3rd rounder as making light of our CB need. I expect a legit NFL starter out of the 3rd round pick just like I expect starters from round 1 and 2.
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i can’t speak on this draft class, but typically we over rate the difference between the Talent you can get in round 2 and the talent you can get in round 3. IMO I hold all top 100 picks accountable to produce an NFL starter.personally I like to break down the draft in 4 tiers:
Tier 1: the 15 or 20 prospects with a legit round 1 grade
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Tier 2: late round 1 prospects thru round 3
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Tier 3:’the mid round prospects (rd 4 and 5)
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Tier 4 late round (6th-7 rounds)
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Brent over at Eagles rewind had a really nice break down a few years ago about the likelihood of draft picks being a bust. #1 bust position isn’t corner… it’s OLB
And… history being what it is, that data helped to point out the bust probability of Dion Jordan (whom you loved) and the relative upside of Lane Johnson (whom I loved) a few years back.
Now, I’m not suggesting that I’m any kind of draft guru, but I’m not sure why you’re so hopped up on the idea that CB in round 1 is so devastatingly horrible.
Is this something that’s verifiable with data, just a couple of player names, or just your personal preference?
No offense meant honestly… I’d like to read about it if you’ve got sources.
I had dion over Lane, but at least lane over Joekel and Fisher, dion probably more of an off the field bust if we are being honest. Not really sure what he is capable on the field after all the years, hopefully he keeps his head on straight and rebounds in seattle to find out..
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It’s not that im against the Eagles going corner in round 1 at all, corner is one of the most valuable positions after OT, DE and DT so it’s great value if the team can get it right. It’s just for me in the lead up to the draft I really suck at even trying to evaluate corners. Heck the last 4 Drafts there have been some good round 1 corners, yet the only two I pounded the table For was Trufant in 2013 over Dee Milner and Marcus Peters who chip Wasnt going to touch for charachter reasons. I also have NOTHING to go off of to be confident that Howie and his scouts are going to hit on Corner in round 1, they have messed up evaluating corners for years, and then when I look at Ravens and bears round 1 corner draft history, it wasn’t a strong point of Ozzie Newsome’s either. So if I suck at evaluating corner prospects to the point that I don’t even like to try to and I have little confidence in front office who bombed at drafting/evaluating corners, you probably aren’t going to hear me talk about wanting corners in round 1 very often, unless it’s the rare prospect that stevie wonder could see was a baller like Marcus peters. But I’d be thrilled if the Eagles could pluck a corner out of round 1 that truly goes on to validate his top draft pick, I just have a lot more confidence in our front office evaluating a few other positions.
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Then Comes my Hatred for rookie corners, who I typically would rather not even see on the field next year Til around week 12. Then comes by belief in HOWIE trading for a starting corner this weekend, im not really sure if I believe it or Im trying to speak it into existence but I’ll be mortified if we don’t trade for a corner and go into the season with Mills, P-Rob and two rookies battling to start outside week 1
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Finally comes my personal philosophy, Genuinly believing the cliche that games are won and lost in the trenches, and that until you are kicking everyones ass at the line of scrimmage, the other positions Dont matter much. I’d rather keep dumping first rounders into the battle at the line of scrimmage until we can boast one of the most physically dominant teams on both side of the line of scrimmage
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Also, i have said countless this yeà r that at this stage of our team building, I care that they get a ProBowler out of the first round, Give me that and I won’t give two shits what position he plays. hit on the picks, have two good drafts in a row and the positipns will Balance themselves out. BTW, investing a 3rd and 4th round pick ISNT exactly devaluing the position, I hold front office to high expectations for 3rd round picks.. I’d say we would be just fine getying a jordan hicks or bennie Logan caliber in round 3…
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I’d be curious to see how many of the top 30 NFL corners were drafted in the first round.
Yeah cuz I’m sure all the best corners from this draft will all neatly come out of round 1. Worry about the Eagles hitting on their picks, more than what position they play. You think it would be a “Disaster” to get a brian westbrook caliber corner? How about a jordan Hicks caliber corner? Or bennie logan caliber corner? How many of them were drafted in the first round? So ignorant and dysfunctional this thinking that only way to get a quality starter is in round 1 and that 3rd round picks are chopped liver, If the Eagles don’t get serious starting talent at of round 2 and 3 the picks have to be considered failures. Have a little more respect for top 100 picks
I am done speculating on picks, at this point the only thing I am hoping for is that (3) QB’s go in the first 13 picks lol
There were comments on Tommy’s mock draft about there being better CB’s than were selected. I think this view may miss the point as I think Tommy was identifying choices the Eagles would make not some synopsis of experts rankings. In fact, I view the CB choices as providing a reading on how JD sets the board. If Tommy’s on the mark here, that should confirm that JD drafts for what the coaches want at positions. On the other hand, if Eagles draft cover corners, who can’t contest a ball in the air, and can’t tackle, then there’s still confusion about the new approach.
Pretty much what we have left after the top 15 picks stock massacre before the draft.
JD may set the board but you mustn’t forget who makes the actual choices. Smarmy Howie certainly won’t forget.
McShay just had jonathon Allen falling to #14 but that was in a Scenario where 3 QBs went in the top 13 (Watson to jags, Mitch to Cleveland, Mahones to Cardinals)
He still mocking Foster at #10
I don’t think that’s unrealistic. All 3 are supposedly “first round” talents and teams usually overselect QBs.
That would be fantastic and we probably can’t rule that out when there were also other top 13 teams like the Bears, Jets. Bills and 49ers who could be competing with the Jags, Browns and Cardinals for a first round QB, not to mention the possibility that teams like KC and Houston could try to trade up in front of the Cardinals to steal a QB.
that would make our pick really interesting
Given the red flags for injuries, past and present, and the red flags for urinalysis, and the red flags for appearances on the police blotter, and red flags for not fitting our scheme (and some fall into more than 1 of the above categories), if there aren’t 2-3 QBs selected before 14, we have to trade up to get a serious talent or trade down to add picks.
That’s also a good point.
It would appear that Conley will be available at 14 now.
If we tell him that we don’t want him, will that make him play more aggressively for us?
In what round could we get him if he’s not available for 3-5? In his favor, I doubt if there’s video like Mixon.
Lets trade our 7th this year for a 1st in 2021?
And if there is a video, the public will never see it. Totally different.
I think it’s something like 75% of rape cases are never reported, and of those that are, 90% are never prosecuted. Odds are, he didn’t do it- and as others have suggested, this could be a story on the basis of hush money and a smear campaign.
Something like that. Y’know, we look at film and watch college games and have an idea of talent, Then we’re surprised who they take or don’t take. But the teams have detectives’ reports and Wonderlich results and interviews and drug test results. They have a better idea of who’s too stoopid to make it. Of course, even they don’t know who fails the ‘heart’ test. What a crap shoot.
Why it’s almost always better to have more lottery tickets than one really expensive one. Almost always… sometimes a player the teams “knows” will be good is there for the picking and you just have to get Fletcher Cox.
Ouch.
Too soon, too soon.
He will be available at 155 IMO if we don’t get a lot more info in 2 days
You forgot the 0 at the end.
So close to the draft, I’m leaning toward Solomon Thomas as the only player I’d trade up to get.
Wondering if I could trade back and still get Marlon Humphrey or Kevin King…
If I stay put at 14, I want Marlon Humphrey or Kevin King (or Adams/Hooker if either one drops like a rock). I’m not feeling the OJ Howard vibe, not because he isn’t a good player, but more because I think we can get a good TE later in the draft.
Here’s to the hope that Captain Wheel’n Dealin’ Roseman can make some movement and still get the Eagles a good player.
I love Thomas as a player, but just feel he is a poor fit here. He lacks a true position and don’t think he would reach his potential in this scheme.
Agreed. He’s like a poor man’s JJ Watt, rich man’s Vinny Curry. It’s useful to have a guy that can rush the interior of the line, but we already have that covered.
For the same reason you couldn’t draft La’el Collins, you can’t draft Conley.. at least until well into day 3. You can’t use a premium pick on a player, who in addition to all the usual uncertainties of scouting, has a 25% chance of BEING IN JAIL. That chance has to be factored in and the effect will be massive for his stock. (the %-age is obviously there for illustrative purposes only)
This assumes that we can’t find out the truth within 2 days, which is a pretty good assumption
The Eagles can probably go something like that as follows:
1. OT
2. QB
3. K
4. P
5: LS
6. Water Boy
And still end up with Sidney Jones and Conley if they choose to…
Sidney is a 2nd or 3rd rounder
*SarcasmModeFail
Now that natural selection has killed our choices of CBs at 14, I had to recompile the list of athletic CBs that Joe Douglas mentioned.
1. Marshon Lattimore – 1st
2. Chidobe Awuzie – 1st
3. Fabian Moreau – 1st-2nd
4. Kevin King – 1st-2nd
5. Tre’Davious White – 1st-2nd
6. Adoree Jackon – 2nd
7. Marlon Humphrey – 2nd
8. Ahkello Witherspoon – 2nd
9. Cordrea Tankersly – 2nd
10. Quincy Wilson – 3rd
11. Shaquill Griffin – 3rd
12. Cameron Sutton – 3rd
13. Sidney Jones (post- injury) – 3rd
14. Damontae Kazee – 4th
15. Jalen Myrick – 4th
16. Gareon Conley (post dumbass-ery) – 4th-5th
Move Quincy Wilson and Sidney Jones up a round each. Quincy should be 1st-2nd
Conley and Witherspoon each go down at least a round. We hear this a lot but Witherspoon is absolutely atrocious against the run. He’s someone opponents will have to gameplan for.. how they will run TOWARD him that game! And he can’t play special teams while he develops because of the same reason
No way Moreau goes in the 1st with his injury
Witherspoon is arguably the best at man cover in this draft.
Yup. And arguably the worst liability in the run game
What is a corner supposed to do tackle or cover? I get what you mean I just think he stays in the second.
I agree with you in general. Which is why I don’t hold anything against Conley or others for their “tackling issues”. But at a certain point your defense collapses and you lose games if you are bad enough at contain/tackling (2:36 and whole game really)
https://youtu.be/R0H_t_tMFhM?t=156
All the corners have tackling issues save maybe Humphrey but again I get what you mean.
They are on a spectrum with Witherspoon being at the end
Did you see that clip? He barely got touched and went FLYING backwards, disrupting his own teammates
I know. Ive watched all the games available at draft breakdown and he is on another level of awful tackling
He had more pass breakups than tackles, which is absurd
https://youtu.be/yX5sECWxD8M?t=187
https://youtu.be/R0H_t_tMFhM?t=202
https://youtu.be/yX5sECWxD8M?t=95
I like him and think he would be a nice defensive weapon to pick up but not in the 2nd round. We will see how the league values him in a few days…
There was not one solid tackling attempt in that entire cutup…by anyone on Colorado. Maybe that is a glimmer of hope that coaching is the correctable problem?
Noticed that too, ha! Hope so if we wind up with Witherspoon
I love ole Asante as much as the next guy… but without Jim Johnson (RIP) he was almost as much of a liability as he was a benefit.
It’s probably easier to teach someone how to tackle instead of teaching them how to cover.
Idk… there’s a lot of really talented athletes who are not football players because they’re allergic to the less savory bits of the game.
Well DRC is still playing in the league..
True, and that’s your best case scenario for sure
It’s true, and a testament to how few good corners there are. He and his color books seem to have worked out alright up in NYC. Maybe it’s the fact that there’s a bigger market for adult coloring books these days that’s upped his game.
Idk. Some people just don’t have a desire to stick their nose in there. I don’t think theres a corner in the world who “just doesn’t wanna cover”.
As long as it’s a teaching issue, and not an attitude issue. For most of these guys it’s mostly the former, but for Witherspoon I’m concerned it’s mostly the latter. These guys can get away with a lot on the way up, due to athleticism.
I think everyone gets hung up on what players can’t do and completely ignore what they excel at. Corners #1 responsibility is in coverage. 80% or more of their grade should be on coverage abilities. I’ll take a shut down corner that struggles in the run game all day long.
Same thing with Charles Harris. The guy is a really good pass rusher, but people want a less talented pass rusher in Barnett because he’s a better run defender. They are called pass rushers for a reason.
Half the time I feel like Mugatu from Zoolander. “I feel like Im on crazy pills!”
Moreau will be ready for training camp. I wouldn’t take Jones in the second. that’s just crazy. Wilson can’t tackle either, looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.
Ok didn’t know that about Moreau. Jones could be ready in September and he’s a better player than Moreau
Wilson is a much better tackler than Witherspoon. Which says a lot about Witherspoon
Yea you have Wilson rated too low. Better chance he is a 1st than a 3rd round pick. He could be a target at 43 if he lasts that long.
Nah, he belongs in the 3rd round. Sloppy coverage and can’t tackle? You better hope you go in the 3rd.
He is very good is coverage and has excellent short area quickness. He may lack a little long speed, but he can makes up for some of that with his length. He plays with the confidence of a top CB and has good ball skills. His tackling isn’t great, but he isn’t a liability. It’s also not a deal breaker for a CB as their primary responsibility is in coverage. He will not get out of round 2.
I have to completely disagree with your assessment aside from having ball skills.
Moreau was 4 to 6 months recover time in mid March. I stopped reading at 4 and take that as a sacred oath; so yes, Moreau will be ready for training camp.
Big difference between Wilson’s tackling and Witherspoon.
“I wouldn’t take Jones in the second. that’s just crazy. ”
Indeed 😉
It is
Absolutely poetic.
“Move… Sidney Jones up a round. ”
Nailed it!
Re: Gareon Conley’s Fast-Expiring Solution
Since April 9th — more than 2 weeks ago — Conley and his agent, not to mention the Cleveland PD, have been playing the “mum game” about an alleged rape.
By playing mum, it seems clear the NFL’s fans and draft literati — like, oh, Mike Florio at PFT.com and ESPN’s talking heads — had zero idea this was happening.
Question . . . Did NFL teams already know?
(Just a couple weeks ago, Joe Douglas had so much public love for Conley it made it seem impossible the Eagles liked the kid — unless Douglas was using the old double smokescreen.)
So, if you’re Conley and his agent, how do you play this . . .
1. Do you, with the CPD’s apparent cooperation, conceal the information and — by doing so — potentially mislead a team in the top half of Rd 1 to waste a very expensive draft pick?
2. Do you quietly notify each team of your client’s situation — which not only keeps you, as an agent, from being branded untrustworthy by NFL management (and ending your career), but shows your client’s taking the best-road available path in the clubs’ eyes?
[obviously, the best path was being in Cleveland on 4/9, but too late there.]
3. Do you get your client some good criminal-defense advice ASAP, including putting him on the box (lie detector) so that, if he passes, you can waive it around . . . and if he fails, no one knows, and you go with #1 or #2 (or #4).
4. Other (suggestions invited).
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Me, I go with # 3 and work from there.
Conley’s biggest problem right now is he had 18 days to put fix this problem —
and I mean “fix” in the Arnold Rothstein-sense — and put it to bed so he could still be in play in Rd 1 . . .
But time’s running out.
How to fix? He settles the yet-to-be-filed civil lawsuit with the accuser — for, say, $100,000 (or whatever) — to be paid within 7 days of him receiving his signing bonus.
Assuming of course the alleged victim is amenable.
If the victim’s agreeable, five essential terms must be in the settlement agreement:
(1) she withdraws, or requests the withdrawal, of any prior charge of non-consensual sex filed with the police, and
(2) she warrants and represents that no non-consensual sex occurred with Conley, a conclusion reached after having had time to reflect on the events of April 9th, and
(3) she will not voluntarily make herself available to the CPD or any other law-enforcement authority regarding this matter, and
(4) in the event she’s subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury or trial jury, she will promptly notify Conley’s attorneys, and
(5) a mutual confidentiality clause requiring zipped lips.
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Obstruction of Justice?
– No. She’s free to testify under subpoena.
Extortion?
– No.
– Conley’s agent hasn’t said the allegations are “FALSE”.
– He called them ludicrous and ridiculous — neither of which precludes “true.”
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Anyway . . .
If you’re Conley, you’re about to fall out of Rd 1 — and lose millions of dollars.
Doesn’t help to say, “But I’m innocent”?
NFL GMs don’t care.
Seems, in the short and long run, Conley’s best play is to pay the woman . . . and get the matter closed. A-S-A-P.
And if the young lady’s willing to resolve things.
That way, he could bleat to the camera:
“Mistakes were made . . . and that’s all I have to say about that.”
Otherwise, Conley’s looking at a Lae’l Collins-like experience.
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It’s possible Conley’s lawyers are working fast to close a deal with the alleged victim.
It’s also possible the victim told Conley’s lawyer’s to take a hike.
Who knows.
All I’m saying is, if I’m Conley’s lawyer, I’m telling him to consider the expediency that a 1st-Rd contract can buy . . . .
[If I’m the alleged victim’s lawyer, the conversation’s pretty clear: (i) demand justice, or (ii) take the money.]
It’s almost like you build arguments/defense for a living!
#realtalk
Damn, AC.
But how much $ do you need to keep quiet about such a thing? Knowing that if you do so, this guy gets off scot-free and gets a bigger platform to do it to even more girls?
$100K? I think that would be letting the dude off too easy. He stands to sign for $10M maybe. That could all go away if the alleged victim goes through with a rape accusation.
Totally agree . . . alleged victim has some leverage.
They know the truth.
But that’s not necessarily the “legal truth.”
Whatever the cost, it’s a deal Conley should have tried to make (and maybe did).
Does that let Conley off?
Sure . . . that’s one of the great things about being rich in America.
Yeah, you wonder if that played into the delayed processing by the police — if both sides said they were trying to settle, they may have held off — with a settlement, it may have been dropped completely since there would be no accusation anymore. On the other hand, you wonder if such settlement was contingent on this not becoming public — because if it did, then he’d lose a lot of money anyways.
Another couple of options. First, is the gender of the alleged victim known? Second, victim becomes pregnant, a DNA test proves Conley is the sperm donor, another fatherless child is born, and this stupid dork pays in dollars for the next 20 years.
You missed an option AC…
https://i.imgflip.com/q2kge.jpg
I can’t tell if it’s because I didn’t have my coffee this morning but the information given so far kind of doesn’t make much sense. Joe Douglas giving Conley some high praise might have been some lip service if they already knew about this incident.
This is awesome stuff.
The thought that this is such a viable way to extort money from young men that are about to become very wealthy is scary. Even more scary, every time one of these cases makes the public question if that is what is happening, it makes it a little harder for a young lady who was truly victimized to come forward.
And I think we can all agree, being in Cleveland is never the best path.
Fascinating article about Dalvin Cook. The part about Duce is interesting as an Eagles fan. As a sports fan in general, and a human, the part about Easterling is even more fascinating.
I’d still rather wait until the second on this guy now, but I would certainly feel a lot better than before about him. The notion that he’s worse than Mixon is starting to look ridiculous.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/25/nfl-draft-dalvin-cook-red-flags-character-concerns-scouts-florida-state-miami-dade?xid=socialflow_twitter_si
I would stay away from drafting any player who comes from Miami with a high pick. I would also put a clause int their contract that they cannot visit Miami unless it is to play the Dolphins or in the Superbowl. The list below doesn’t even include Aaron Hernandez and Sean Taylor.
2017-02-25 BAL Matt Elam S Arrested Drugs Pulled over in Miami Beach, accused of possessing marijuana, Oxycodone. Resolution undetermined.
2016-10-02 PHI Nigel Bradham LB Arrested Gun Accused of carrying loaded gun through airport security in Miami. Resolution undetermined
2016-09-26 CLE Alvin Bailey OG Arrested DUI Accused of operating a vehicle under the influence of alcohol and having drug paraphernalia in his car after returning from game in Miami. Pleaded no contest, found guilty, three-day intervention program. NFL suspended him two games.
2016-07-25 PHI Nigel Bradham LB Arrested Assault Suspected of punching somebody in the nose at a Miami Beach hotel after verbal altercation. Resolution undetermined.
2015-07-04 GB Andrew Quarless TE Arrested Gun Accused of firing a gun in public in Miami Beach, a misdemeanor offense. Pleaded no contest, $1,000 fine, one year probation, gun safety and anger management classes.
2015-03-29 NO Brian Dixon CB Arrested Resisting officer Pulled over in Miami, accused of resisting officer who ticketed him for driving in the middle of the road on his scooter. Resolution undetermined.
2014-11-16 JAC Dwayne Gratz CB Arrested Trespassing Accused of disorderly intoxication and trespassing after trying to buy items at a store in Miami with bubble gum instead of money. Resolution undetermined.
2014-07-20 STL Jo-Lonn Dunbar LB Arrested Battery Accused of getting into a fight with NBA free agent Donte Greene outside club in Miami Beach. Charges dropped in August.
2014-03-21 TEN Adewale Ojomo DE Arrested Solicitation Accused of soliciting a prostitute in Miami for $100, busted by undercover cop. Diversion program. Team cut him the next month.
2013-03-21 CHI Evan Rodriguez FB Arrested Resisting arrest Accused of disorderly intoxication and resisting arrest after traffic stop in Miami. Charges dropped.
2013-02-24 OAK Desmond Bryant DT Arrested Criminal mischief Accused of misdemeanor mischief in Miami. Related lawsuit says he tried to break down door of house. Diversion program, six months of probation.
2012-11-26 MIA Jonathan Amaya S Arrested Battery Accused of choking cab driver outside club in Miami Beach at 4:30 a.m. Resolution undetermined.
2012-07-14 DEN Elvis Dumervil DE Arrested Assault, gun Accused of aggravated assault with a firearm in Miami after allegedly lifting his shirt to show a gun to a motorist. Charge dropped.
2012-01-27 SF Aldon Smith LB Arrested DUI Accused of drunken driving in Miami Beach. Diversion program. Charge reduced to reckless driving.
2011-05-22 CHI Garrett Wolfe RB Arrested Theft Accused of refusing to pay bill at Miami nightclub, resisting arrest and assaulting police. Charges dropped.
2010-02-20 MIA Will Allen CB Arrested DUI Charged in Miami Beach after tried to get through police roadblock. Blood alcohol measured at .152 and .167. Resolution undetermined.
2009-05-24 MIA Randy Starks DE Arrested Assault Arrested after allegedly swerving his vehicle to strike a police officer on foot and pin him up against another car. Charged with aggravated battery in Miami, Fl. Convicted of misdemeanor traffic violation, eight-hour traffic course, $219 fine.
2009-04-01 CLE Donte Stallworth WR Arrested DUI, manslaughter Accused of striking and killing a pedestrian with his car in Miami March 14. Blood-alcohol content measured .126. Charged with DUI manslaughter. Pleaded guilty, 24 days in jail, two years of house arrest, 1,000 hours of community service. NFL suspended for 2009.
2009-01-16 NO Jonathan Vilma LB Arrested Reckless driving Miami police said he resisted arrest after being spotting swerving his car and running red light. Charges dropped. Vilma agreed to give $1,000 to hospital trauma center.
2008-08-30 JAC Fred Taylor RB Arrested Disorderly conduct Forced out of car at gunpoint, accused of being uncooperative during search near nightclub in Miami Beach. Charges dropped.
2008-02-24 MIN Bryant McKinnie OT Arrested Battery Police report said he spit on nightclub security guard in Miami after being kicked out, accused of disorderly conduct, resisting arrest. Resolution undetermined. NFL suspended him four games.
2008-02-17 BUF Roscoe Parrish WR Arrested DUI Pulled over around 4:30 a.m. in Miami, suspected of drunk driving. Resolution undetermined.
2007-06-23 MIA Fred Evans DT Arrested Battery, resisting arrrest Police subdued him with a taser, accused him of battery on a police officer after dispute with taxi driver in Miami Beach. Pleaded no contest to resisting arrest, battery. Fined $1,310. Team released him within week.
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Fine work. Point well made.
Yikes. Nice research. Miami is truly an armpit.
Yep, good article. As someone here has brought up, he’s had no public issues since 2014 — and I think Brandt in his writeup said he seems like a good kid when you talk to him. But he has also had three shoulder surgeries, and a few more fumbles last year (granted, lots and lots of runs too). I don’t think I’d take either him or Mixon in the first round, but the second round… more amenable.
Random: my wife just kicked Jon Dorenbos’ butt in a hot yoga class. She’s the teacher. 3 wrist surgeries and he is doing great. Awesome dude as you would have expected. ‪ https://twitter.com/Gavinbray1/status/856976564789035008/video/1‬
Not to be creepy, but is that your wife in your Twitter header?
OK, that’s creepy.
Yes it is. My wife, not the creepy part.
No problems here. If your wife looks like that, go on ahead.
Good job, dude! 🙂
Also, add LS to the list in 7th round. 3 wrist surgeries…
How do you kick someone else’s butt in Yoga?
She’s the teacher. Make him do tougher poses, hold it longer, turn up the heat, card tricks…
And that’s “winning?”
Yes. She won. He crawled out like Reggie Bush after Sheldon Brown hit…She said kicked his butt in a good way. Good work out. Obviously he was doing great afterwards and was cool enough to send that video. Sorry for inserting Yoga into the message board.
Downward dog
Random fact: yoga isn’t an “ancient” practice at all. It was developed by the Indian revolutionary army to do strength and conditioning in close quarters without equipment.
Actually explains a lot
This was my favorite Random fact ..read it today. .. Reno is farther west than LA
Nice! I just looked at the globe, and dang it, you’re right.
Yeah i had to czech it also …
Please explain how Devin Nunez is doing a great job and is a straight shooter.
Nunez shed light on the fact that Obama administration was surveilling the Trump campaign. He’s a patriot.
Nunez shed light on the fact that Obama administration was surveilling the Trump campaign. He’s a
patriotparrot for the White House.Except that none of that’s true. Not even remotely. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. I don’t know where this country went wrong and people started believing whatever crazy shit they wanted to because it fit their carefully crafted dreamworld.
Please go back to reading Dilbert and chasing cars outside the Novacare Center.
That’s wrong in so many ways that it looks like satire.
I just take it as that to avoid getting annoyed.
Another interesting post. Look at #5 on this list. What a bum!
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/thr/mock.scores.shtml
I will never understand the Mayock hate.
Haters gotta hate.
I think that was brought up initially, but… sometimes facts don’t matter.
Will Joe Mixon wear pink for brady cancer ?
As long as he’s never in midnight or Kelly green………………
This Conley business is unreal. So we’ll have to flush him out of the mix. So on that note;
Round 1 Pick 19 (T.B.): Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama (B)
Round 2 Pick 11: Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20 (T.B.): Carlos Henderson, WR, Louisiana Tech (A-)
Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech (A-)
Round 5 Pick 11: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
Round 6 Pick 10: Lorenzo Jerome, SS, Saint Francis (PA) (B-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Samson Ebukam, OLB, Eastern Washington (B)
Im so giddy, we gonna build that wall around mexico, everyone’s gonna help build it, Davis to the eagles book it
ESPN local writers mock draft had Eagles picking WR Ross .. Corey D went 30th
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/857050089101111300
interesting…
I’m already prepared for disappointment!
Ugh.
Cook at 14 would be horrible value.
Not excited for the draft. Just for it to be over.
Re: “I hope the Eagles pass on OTs and go elsewhere.”
I disagree. To build a great offense with Wentz starts with the OL building blocks. The Eagles for years have failed to address the OL high in a draft, including a stud TE.
You need to have OT’s worth picking, and this is the worst OT group in a decade from top to bottom. We have 2 excellent starting OT’s and a young developmental guy who showed good progress last year.
Wait a year and see how Vaitai develops and then address the OT position in a better draft class for them.
No one should ever be upset with adding more Talent and depth to OL or DL. The more we dominate the line of scrimmage the easier the game is on overvone else
Re: OT
Interesting article: http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/25/15358566/nfl-draft-offensive-line-prospects-evaluation-geoff-schwartz