Shrewd Move
Posted: April 4th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 168 Comments »Howie Roseman and Joe Douglas pulled off an interesting move on Tuesday.
Roster Move: #Eagles acquire DT Timmy Jernigan and a third-round pick (99 overall) from BAL in exchange for a third-round pick (74 overall). pic.twitter.com/4OTcRwMjGV
— Philadelphia Eagles (@Eagles) April 4, 2017
The Eagles add a potential starting DT and don’t have to give up a draft pick. That’s pretty impressive. The Eagles do move down 25 slots in the 3rd round and that is a big move in such a deep, quality draft.
Why would the Ravens make such a move?
The Ravens have stockpiled DL in recent drafts. They just signed Brandon Williams to a huge deal. They also have Willie Henry, Brent Urban, Bronson Kaufusi and Carl Davis. All of those guys were taken in the 3rd or 4th round since 2013. Jernigan is about to enter the final year of his deal. He has played well enough to earn a solid contract and the Ravens weren’t going to commit to him financially. By dealing him now, they get something in return.
Jernigan is an excellent addition for the Eagles. He is 6-2, 295. He is strong enough to 2-gap and eat blocks, but he is athletic enough to shoot gaps and make plays. Jernigan won’t turn 25 until September so he is just hitting the prime of his career. The risk for the Eagles is that he becomes a free agent at the end of the year. The Eagles are hoping they like what they see and can sign him to an extension.
In some ways, Jernigan is an upgrade over Bennie Logan. Jernigan has played in 43 games and has 13 sacks. Logan has played in 59 games and has 5.5 sacks. I was actually shocked when I saw that. I figured Logan would have better numbers.
Logan has started 51 games in 4 years so he is a reliable performer. Jernigan started 15 games last year, but was primarily a backup the previous 2 seasons. He started 11 games in 2013 and 2014 combined.
The #Ravens defense as a whole hasn't been good but give me Jernigan and Williams on the inside over most DT duos pic.twitter.com/a5pXoxgRPs
— Brandon Thorn (@VeteranScout) November 17, 2015
Impressive.
Jernigan is strong enough to hold his ground vs the run. He uses his hands well and is able to shed blocks. He has enough quickness and athleticism to penetrate and make plays. I love his motor. Jernigan might get blocked, but he won’t stay blocked. That’s the kind of tenacious DL who is going to thrive in the Jim Schwartz scheme.
There is some risk with this deal. Jernigan is coming to a new system and might leave when the season is over. The Eagles moved from a Top 75 pick down to the bottom of the 3rd round. That’s a big difference.
Still, I think this is a really good move. You add someone that can start at DT. The Eagles will let him and Beau Allen battle it out for the job. This isn’t a great DT class so there were limited options for replacing Logan. Jernigan could prove to be a terrific fit and this could be a huge steal.
In the past you might have blamed the Eagles for coveting other teams players. This is different. Joe Douglas was in Baltimore when Jernigan was drafted and you have to believe he had a strong hand in the Eagles making this move. Howie is the trader, but Douglas had to be the one pushing the idea and selling the Eagles that Jernigan can be a really strong fit in this scheme.
If you look at this simply…the Eagles got better today.
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There’s is going to be quite a bit of cap room next year so lets hope that Alshon and Jernigan pay off. I don’t think you can be too mad with the deal though. They add a starter and keep a draft pick. Sure it’s on a 1 year basis but with “Cap Master” Howard, who cares? If he plays well, he’s gonna stay. Could Douglass and Roseman be a power house for years to come? Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z.
Howie loves to make player trades. I am setting the line at 2.5 player trades by the end of the upcoming draft. I am taking the over. He just made one and it is very realistic there are 2 more coming. Kendricks, Kelce, Jordan Matthews and even Jason Peters could be moved for the right price ( although unlikely). I recognize anyone not named Carson Wentz could be traded for the right compensation, but the players I mentioned are certainly the only true viable trade options. We could trade player for player or just grab someone from another roster for fairly inexpensive trade compensation like the move we made today for Jernigan. I read today that Howie has made 37 player trades since he was in the capacity to do so. That is by far more than anyone else. Are you taking the over or under??
Under. And I agree with everything you said about Howie. The problem is that he needs someone to trade with, and the rest of the league is much more concervative. I no longer see Kendricks having much value, and teams are just waiting for us to release him at this point. I don’t believe anyone will want to give up valuable assets for Peters at his age, and we wont give him up for nothing because we have no tackle depth. That leaves Kelce and Matthews, and it just seems unlikely that teams would give up anything worthwhile for a slot wr before the draft – there are going to be options to fill that role with a cheap, young player in later rounds, or at least that is how teams will look at it. If Matthews is traded – and he might – I think its after the draft. So that leaves Kelce. I can certainly see that.
I like this move. CB is the big question left on D. If they can at least get similar play to last year out of whatever corners they end up with, this D should be decent. The offense has already been upgraded, so they should be more competitive than last year. Draft will be interesting, with the potential to fill in some important pieces since it has depth at CB and RB.
Damn, I sure hope we get better than “similar” play from our CB’s this year. We will likely draft 2 CB’s and I am expecting better play at that position. Carroll and McSuckykelvin were absolutely brutal last year.
Hard to be much worse, but right now, it’s worse.
Rookies are still rookies.
You could give us Lattimore and Humphrey/Conley and they would still have games this year where they get their doors blown off.
As much as I liked Benny Logan, I like Jernigan just a bit more. He seems to play faster than Logan and is stronger at the point of attack IMO.
Like the one year deal too. If he does not excel in our scheme we can cut ties and if he plays well then we can invest long term.
What’s to be mad about? He should start over Beau and that was a concern going into the drat.
Now we can focus more on BPA, instead of filling a need.
I am really liking what the Eagles are doing in the off season this year.
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Love this move. Much rather have Jernigan on the last rookie year this year than Hankins or Logan on an expensive, guaranteed contract. The trade down is almost insignificant if you consider that we landed a cheap, starting caliber DT with proven ability.
But. There is always a but.
I think this trade shows us pretty much just how little we can expect to get for Kendricks. If we can even trade him at all. Jernigan is probably a better player, at a position with more of a premium on it right now. And he is cheaper too. If this was the best the Ravens could do, I think Howie might be hard pressed to get anything for Kendricks.
We basically traded a low 3rd round pick for Jernigan (pick we got back worth about half the one we gave up). May still be hard to trade Kendricks, but it wasn’t chump change going back to the Ravens.
Indeed.
Here’s hoping we will still get at least a 5th rounder for Kendricks and/or Kelce..
I would be happy if we can move up one spot in any round for Kendricks, but it is a shame how far he has fallen in terms of value.
Is it possible that we keep him and he serves as a viable back up?
He would have to take a pay cut, but something tells me he might consider it.
Apple to oranges. Kendrick has three years left on a manageable deal. He’s playing in the wrong system, only one season removed from being a statistically productive player.
I’m not suggesting he has a lot of value,but his situation and Jernigan’s aren’t quite the same. He should bring a fifth rounder on draft day (probably a 2018 pick), as long as more than one team is in the mix for him.
Oh I think you can compare them though. Jernigan supposedly is also playing in the wrong system in Baltimore. He also is part of a rotation with good players. But unlike Kendricks he is not a year removed from being productive, in fact he just had his best season yet. Unlike Kendricks he is still one a rookie deal in stead of a veteran deal. He is younger too and doesnt have the injury concerns that Kendricks have. All in all he is an ascending player that you can get cheap. Kendricks is sort of the opposite at this point. More importantly, Noone really expected Jernigan to be released, the Ravens could just as well have kept him on the team. Everyone in the league knows that the eagles want to get rid of Kendricks at this point and are likely to just outright release him if they cant make a deal.
I dont see any way that Jernigan is not significantly more valuable in a trade than Kendricks.
He’s definitely more valuable. His value amounted to an early 4th in the upcoming draft. Kendricks is worth, at best, a 5th. More likely a 6th or a 2018 5th. But that’s about what we thought he’d be worth before the Jernigan deal. I don’t see anything as having changed because of it.
BTW, I think the player that most compares to Jernigan from a trade standpoint is Jordan Matthews. Based on this deal, I’d say he’s worth somewhere in the neighborhood of the third round pick we gave up.
%&$%(&$#R pass rushers will not fall to be glaring BPA / steals at any of our picks. RBs didn’t last to our spots either.
Round 1 Pick 14: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (B+)
Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Alex Anzalone, OLB, Florida (B+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah (A)
Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
Round 5 Pick 11: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (B+)
Round 6 Pick 10: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Jeremy Cutrer, CB, Middle Tennessee (B-)
And here is who we missed out on from 74 through 98. Kevin King would have been my pick.
Round 3 Pick 10 (74) Ravens: Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech
Round 3 Pick 11 (75) (BUF) Jets: Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech
Round 3 Pick 12 (76) (N.O.) Chiefs: Derek Rivers, DE/OLB, Youngstown State
Round 3 Pick 13 (77) (ARI) Chiefs: Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
Round 3 Pick 14 (78) (BALT) Giants: Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State
Round 3 Pick 15 (79) Vikings: Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois
Round 3 Pick 16 (80) (IND) Broncos: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State
Round 3 Pick 17 (81) (WASH) Lions: Kevin King, CB, Washington
Round 3 Pick 18 (82) (DEN) Colts: Ryan Anderson, OLB/DE, Alabama
Round 3 Pick 19 (83) (TENN) Texans: Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech
Round 3 Pick 20 (84) (T.B.) Colts: Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee
Round 3 Pick 21 (85) (DET) Redskins: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida
Round 3 Pick 22 (86) (MINN) Cardinals: Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
Round 3 Pick 23 (87) (NYG) Ravens: David Sharpe, OT, Florida
Round 3 Pick 24 (88) Raiders: Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan
Round 3 Pick 25 (89) (HOU) Titans: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
Round 3 Pick 26 (90) Seahawks: Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington
Round 3 Pick 27 (91) Chiefs: Adam Bisnowaty, OT/OG, Pittsburgh
Round 3 Pick 28 (92) Cowboys: Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic
Round 3 Pick 29 (93) Packers: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson
Round 3 Pick 30 (94) Steelers: Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
Round 3 Pick 31 (95) Falcons: Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington
Round 3 Pick 32 (96) Patriots: Dawuane Smoot, DE/OLB, Illinois
Round 3 Pick 33 (97) (COMP) Dolphins: Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova
Round 3 Pick 34 (98) (COMP) Panthers: Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU
There are some enticing names on that list- but you can’t discount the fact that we now have a potential starting DL for those 25 spots, and we still get to pick.
I know it sucks to move down those spots, but it’s worth it. If he performs well, we can resign him, tag him, or let him go to earn a bigger contract in free agency. The market for DL next year looks strong, so that could help keep him in an affordable price range. I just don’t see Howie pulling the trigger on this for a 1 year rental in Jernigan. We will have more cap flexibility next year and if he plays well, he will be more of a benefit than Logan was in this scheme.
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Focusing on the offense for a second, if Chip didn’t blow up what Andy built, we could be watching (hypothetically) Wentz, Ertz, Desean, Maclin, Matthews, and Shady. That would be one of the best offenses in football.
All that said, I think Wentz, Alshon, Ertz, Torrey and Matthews have a chance to be a very dynamic group. Add a RB in there and the offense is golden. Why? Because the offensive line is ridiculously deep, especially G/C/G. The only o-lineman you could justify taking in the early rounds this year would be a JP replacement, but that can wait another year at least.
Defensively, our corners are the only weakness with the addition of Jernigan and Long. Safety is good for a few more years, linebackers are solid, and the line is the best it’s been in a while.
The only real “need” beyond a corner or two is a running back. That’s in play at 14. We saw what Zeke did behind that Dallas o-line, and I think our line is at least deep enough to compete.
Dont forget how quickly injuries can change all of that though. We are currently one injury at OT, S, LB or WR away from being in serious trouble. And we all know, someone is going to tear that ol’ ACL in camp.
That last sentence should get you slapped upside the head. Just sayin…
Fair enough.
if everyone(not me) is screaming “best OL depth ever” — how can we be 1 injury away? Can’t be possible..
I think it depends almost entirely on said person’s view of Vaitai… I agree that interior depth isn’t really up for debate.
LT actually looks OK, but RT is in question because we haven’t seen enough of Vaitai. Tobin actually held up fine at LT. SO we’re 3 deep at LT (Peters, Johnson, Tobin) but at RT we really only have Vaitai and some guys who aren’t very good there (Tobin, Barbre, Hart?). Because our best backup at LT is our starting RT, I’ll agree that TWO injuries at T would be a disaster– not one.
If Peters goes down in training camp, you are looking at Vaitai playing RT for 16 games with Johnson moving over. Or you are looking at Tobin playing LT for 16 games. That could ruin our season. And Peters is, well, an old man with back problems. Tackle is an underrated need and I wouldnt mind at all if they found value in the early rounds there.
We are not in trouble at LB as long as we have Kendricks.
We wont though. Also, Kendricks is not dependable, at least in this scheme.
Peters’ replacement is already on the team – on the left side of the line (Johnson).
I wonder. If Kelly hadn’t decimated the offense, would we have been a position to go get Wentz? If Howie had built the team, would he have been willing to shed players for draft ammo?
Hm, so you’re already sold that Wentz is a top 10 QB in this league?
If Chip hadn’t decimated the offense, wouldn’t we still have Chip? (and in theory not have Wentz)
Added a probable starter on a cheap one year “prove it” deal. Takes pressure off the draft. CB early and often. Add a stud RB to the mix and the team is ready to compete.
Right now, Jernigan is starter together with Graham and Cox. Long and Curry will battle for last DE spot (I guess Long wins it).
Last year, the biggest weakness of the team was CB, the biggest strength was DL. After all the moves, the biggest weakness of the team is still CB, the biggest strength is still DL. And we’re going to rely on rookie CBs to make up the difference.
True, but what choice did they really have?
I don’t know that they could have played it any better, but it is what it is.
Our DL is going to be scary, now all we need is an end.
“I love his motor.” Oh god – I hope he doesn’t have one of those dreaded “High motors”! 🙂
I agree, good pickup, and not losing a pick is outstanding. I can’t say for sure what the drop off in moving down 25 places is – it may not be much.
The biggest motor of all used to belong to Mr. Trevor Laws..And look what happened to him..!
Oh please – they said the same thing of BG and COX.
Cliche? Yes. Do you have a better word for it? Probably not.
And is it only used for wrongly attributed busts? Nope.
Be reasonable fellas.
You need to clean your irony/sarcasm goggles, mate.
or a Dodge motor…
After the Timmy signing, my top 3 options for the Eagles 1st round in this year’s draft are as follows:
1. [Trade up] Draft Solomon Thomas
2. [Trade up] Draft Marshon Lattimore
3. Stay put and Draft either Corey Davis or Marlon Humphrey
Options 1. and 2. only allowed if not giving up more than a 4th round pick to move up.
Trade up for Jamaal Adams is also an option in my opinion. Not that its realistic, but he would be fun as a hybrid slot CB, 3rd safety, dime LB (he would take over Jenkins job from last year and bench Kendricks permantly).
Yeah sure. However the costs will probably be too high. And I definitely do not want to part ways with our 2nd or 3rd rounder…
Unless Lattimore or Thomas falls to 10, you are not getting them for less than our 3rd round pick
Agreed- logical spot is Buffalo at 10 and based off of the previous two years worth of drafts (I did a post on this a while back) it’ll cost at least our 3rd (and that was when it was at 74, not 99). So in theory (with a million other variations) it would be our 99 this year and possibly a 4 next year. I could see a package for a 4 this year and next, but it’ll depend on who’s on the board and what previous trades (if any) look like this year.
Each year is fluid on compensation. One screwed up deal (looking at you, Buffalo and your Sammy Watkins infatuation) and the remainder of the board could be out of balance.
That’s what I was projecting in my scenario mentioned above.
Derek Barnett @ 14 pls
HR and JD — either great together or we can be sitting here next spring looking for a WRDLDE. I understand the ‘why’ of the 1 year deals. It’s a killer from a fan prospective.
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I don’t know the numbers(too lazy to look them up) for cap next season. Too many moving parts to pin down a number anyway. However, if the 1 year prove it deals turns out to — ‘they really proved it’ — its going to cost a ton to keep AJ and it’ll probably cost more to keep TJ than it would have cost to keep BL. Worries for another day I guess…today – this shit is exciting….
Jernigan isnt getting more than the rumored offer for Logan.
If Jeffrey proves him self, his cap hit will most likely be affordable the first couple of years
you can’t say that about Jernigan. You have no idea how he’ll perform this year. If you can project players performance, I hope the Eagles hire you soon to be on their staff…
Its what every GM and scout do, they project.
The Eagles are rumored to have offered Logan 9+ mill per year. I really doubt Jernigan tops that.
they project. you guess. Unless you are a GM or scout. There is no way, in any universe, you can project a players value coming into a new scheme. Anything can happen. He may suck. Eagles might draft a DL to replace him and let him go next year. He might be great. One thing you can’t say is his value without seeing him play…
Actually, GMs and scouts guess a lot, too. That’s part of the reason free agents have such a poor success rate.
Throwing darts at the wall sometimes seems quite attractive.
Offer wasn’t that high.
TJ is a better fit than BL was, so probably willing to spend more for him. He’s also younger. I’ve seen several post alluding to the fact that there should be a fair bit more cap room next year, and then it really opens up from there (of course, that becomes more conditional, given the need to sign contracts going forward, but I’m willing to support the theory that Chip really screwed the cap, while Howie is one of the better cap managers out there.)
If they lose AJ, they’ll have the opportunity to set sights slightly lower after Carson gets a year of development with a good receiver.
Still have to see what they draft before getting too worried about next year.
makes a ton of sense. I hope he plays well enough for the Eagles to really want him.
Keep in mind, things played out to show that BL probably made the wrong decision in passing on the offer. So, maybe TJ doesn’t cost more. And if he does, it means the delayed paying for a year and ended up with a better player.
The market for trading Eagle “expedables” for draft choices may not be promising in itself, but there are other options that still could be beneficial. One example would be using an “expedable” to move up in a given round; perhaps Kelce & a 4th to move into the third. Another example would be trading an “expendable” for another team’s “expendable” – say, Kendricks for Fuller. These moves wouldn’t violate the tendency of teams to treat their own draft choices as GOLD and at the same time are less quantifiable and more subjective. Less of what does the “chart” say & more of does it work for both of us.
If the Eagles end up with LB Reuban Foster at 14, they should definitely look to trade Kendricks before the end of the draft taking the best deal we can get, even if it’s a deal similar to Jernigan where we trade Kendricks just to move up a few spots
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Im torn on getting rid of Kelce now vs waiting til next offseason
They slide down in round three, but this gives them much more flexibility in rounds one and two. DL was a position of need, having lost a major contributor like Logan. Now they can stick to BPA instead of reaching for a DL to fill a hole. Not only that, they replaced Logan with a better player. Just a great move.
Can’t complain about that…
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That’s inexpensive enough………. geez. Guess it does pay to shop smartly.
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As I see it, WR and RB can wait until our two 4th round picks. What concerns me is that I think we really need two CBs and a DE in the first three rounds and I’m not sure whoever we get at 99 is going to be good enough to count on to take care of one of those holes.
Assuming Lattimore is gone and the Eagles don’t see a crazy difference between Conley/Humphrey/White/etc., I’m firmly in the camp of wanting to trade down in the first to pick up another second or third. I don’t think we have the luxury of taking someone like Foster even if he’s there.
I don’t think we “need” a DE in the first 2 rounds. I see a few I really like that will be gone by round 3, but between Long (who’s an upgrade over Barwin) + Curry + Smith + potential development between Means and McAlister, I think we are OK there.
I agree about WR/RB need can wait – but I think there’s a chance that Corey Davis/John Ross are BPA/can’t miss picks at 14…
Williams is better than Ross in every aspect other than speed.
I’m not a huge fan of Williams. To me he’s much better in terms of jump balls and acrobatic catches for sure, but that’s about it. We have Alshon.
I think Ross is a better route runner, better after the catch, Better with short area quickness (different than speed).
I’ve been low on Williams the whole time.
Probably personal preference.
I think the team will have at least one player they like at 14, and most likely a CB they don’t want to trade down and miss out on.
RB can certainly wait a couple rounds. The Bears got Jordan Howard last year in the 5th round three picks before we took smallwood. If the Eagles had Howard and smallwood we would be set at RB for the next 5 years and all it would have cost us was two 5th round picks.
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Im not against taking a RB in round 1 but it needs to be someone really special, and Im not sure there are any RBs in this draft that I’d spend a top 15 pick on. I dont expect it to be the case, but if the Eagles really planned on drafting a RB in round 1, I would hope that they at least trade back and acquire another pick first
And for every Jordan Howard there are dozens or more Wendell Smallwoods and worse.
So, yesterday we were looking for the slider and instead got thrown a curveball.
With this trade is Allen still in play at 14? Or if he’s available at 14 do we now have the flexibility to trade down and recoup extra picks?
I say hell no. No need to take an injury/short career risk now.
He was already off my radar. Now, you can’t even find him with a telescope.
IMO the only way he wouldnt be in play if he fell to #14 would be if we flagged him medically.
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What the Eagles are doing is trying to fill enough holes so they can go into the draft and focus on taking the best talent instead of worrying about having to target/reach for certain positions.
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Signing Long won’t stop the Eagles from taking a DE if he is the BPA at 14, trading for Jernigan won’t stop them from drafting a DT if he is the BPA at 14, and I don’t think they plan on passing on a LB like Foster if he happens to be the BPA. Im loving this rebuilt Eagle DL, WOULDNT mind having 3 BIGTIME Linebackers behind them to clean up the run game while the DL focuses on exploding into the backfield
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Long/Curry, Cox/Destiny, Jernigan/Beau, BG/MS2
…………..Bradham……….Hicks………..Foster
???……….Jenkins………………McLeod……….????
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Get the CB situation straightened up, and add to defensive Depth via BPA. A good draft this year, followed by another good draft next year should be enough to get us back into the NFC playoff hunt
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I will shed tears of Joy once we get back to having an Elite Defense over a 4-5 year window
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interesting. Eagles seem to be looking at speedy wr’s and rb’s with great catching skills(Sproles replacement)? Not sure they get any of them but I do like the focus.
There are a number of guys that can fill that role throughout the draft. Switzer from NC is a name in the later rounds. Samuel should be available in our spot in Round 2, but probably not much later.
Maybe they are trying to decide of McCaffrey is worth the cost?
What I’ve read is that Curtis has bad hands and is more of a WR than RB while McCaffrey is a RB who has excellent hands.
I can think of a few possibilities of why they’re looking at Samuel
1. They really don’t like Dalvin Cook
2. Since we traded down in the 3rd, we’re probably out of the Mixon sweepstakes if we don’t take him in the 2nd round.
3. They’re working out a Jordan Matthews trade since Samuel can play slot WR and Sproles’s role
4. Howie and Joe actually have a speed fetish (Djax, Torrey Smith, Breshad Perriman)
5. Due diligence
4. Do they make players wear a Flash costume before running them through speed and agility drills?
I heard Howie is more of a speed racer guy, not sure about Joe though.
Mixon is going in the 2nd. Possibly before we pick in the 2nd..
This guy should be on the roster by the end of the day…
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/849622037547167748
sign him!
Give me Humphrey in 1, White/King/Tankersley in 2, and Perine in 3 and I’ll actually bother to look up where the 2018 Super Bowl is being held.
Hoping for
Rd 1 Foster LB
RD 2 CB
RD 3 DE
RD 4 CB
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Use the second half of the draft to address RB, DT, TE, WR
What difference does it make if he’s the 4th DB? Foster would be fun, and could help the attitude on D. But I’m a little concerned about his football IQ.
No difference neccessarily, but I think it’s a lot more “likely” that at 14 there will be a player available with a better grade than the 4th DB taken. How often will a draft play out where it produced 4 Dbs among the best 14 prospects? Not to mention we are talking about an Alabama corner here
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If Foster and Humphries are both available, I don’t think there will be anything to discuss, I assume Foster will be rated at least 1 tier above Humphries
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I think it would be fantastic if the BPA at 14 happened to be a cornerbacks. It’s obviously our greatest need. You must think the Eagles have a rabbit foot up there ass if we get so lucky that it works out perfectly according to our needs, for that to happen, a few things would need to happen
1) 4 DB drafted in top 14 (which DOESNT happen every year)
2) the BPA just happens to conveniently fill our biggest need (which would be very lucky of us
If 4 DBs go top 14, at least 2 defensive ends if not 3, at least 1 QB, that would essentially mean that the 4th rated DB is better than the most talented prospect at a couple positions, And that DB would have to also be rated higher than the 2nd rated prospects at a bunch of positions…
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Boy, sounds like you plan on getting super lucky, for all that to happen so we can get a CB at #14 without reaching Costing us superior talent at another position. WE DESPERATELY NEED Corners so im rooting for your super lucky scenario playing out perfectly, but color me skeptical
Let’s be clear though, he could be the second CB. Combining S into it is artificial.
Not buying your super lucky label. No one has a crystal ball. If they have five guys graded roughly the same, CB makes sense. And with the depth at corner this year, there’s a good chance one will be in the discussion for most picks. It’s not reaching to take a chance on the CB.
Because he isn’t good?
What does that have to do with being the second CB off the board? Only the first one is good?
Playing around by just taking “BPA”… It was an experiment and the results are laughable…
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5: R4P32 WR ISAIAH FORD VIRGINIA TECH
6: R5P11 WR JALEN ROBINETTE AIR FORCE
7: R6P10 WR KD CANNON BAYLOR
8: R7P12 EDGE JOE MATHIS WASHINGTON
WOW! Allegedly Jamal Adams ran a 4.33 at LSU pro day..
bye bye uptrade. lol
Good, we could NEVER pass up a chance to add a kid with his type of talent at any position if he was available when we pick, but spending our 1st on a safety would just be greedy when you already have one of the top safety tandems in place. I don’t like Jenkins in the slot, I want him to remain at safety all year.
I have seen other scouts disagreeing with that time – anywhere from 4.38 to 4.41. Still a big improvement over the combine 4.56.
Even 4.4 would be appealing for a safety. Curious to see the order in which Lattimore, Adams and Hooker come off the board. 3 DBs will probably come off the board by pick #12.
Unless he had some undisclosed injury at the combine, I would take it with a grain of salt. Pro day times are always faster (unless you’re Teez Tabor) and you should add time to it (0.05 -0.1 seconds).
if we were just generally grading playërs I assume Long n Barwin, and Jernigan/Logan would have similar grades. They are probably lateral moves in terms of talent, but the Upgrade is in how they are better fits for what schwartz will ask of his DL. Not only do we play a 4-3, but it’s often an extreme version where schwartz needs explosive DL to really explode out of their stance, ATTACK with wreaking havoc in the backfield as the goal and not slow down to worry about a QB handlng the ball off. jernigans tools fit that better than a guy who was really good for us in Logan. Jernigan provides an upgrade in pass rush, without losing how stout Logan was against the Run. PFF claims Jernigan had the best run-stop percentage among 3-4 DE’s in 2016 (for whatever THATS worth)
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Typically, defensive tackles with explosive pass rush ability enjoy playing in an attacking 4 man line more than two gapping on a 3 man Front, so im anxious to see how much nastier Jernigan can be rushiñg the passer now that schwartz scheme will take the 3-4 shackles off and unleash this kid full time to live in opposing backfields with Cox.
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Interior OL’s are going to have their hands full trying to block the interior tandem of Cox/Jernigan on passing downs, which should offer a lot of clean up sack opportunities for guys like BG, Long, Curry, MS2 with Cox n Jernigan collapsing the pocket and chasing QBs into the waiting arms of our DE’s
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Really loving what Roseman and Douglas have done so far. Free agency has burned us so much in the past that i see a lot of upside in the idea of 1 yeàr audition contracts before we make significant commitments to other teams Free Agents. Before we give any of these kids a long term deal we get to evaluate first hand how they perform in the new scheme, how they gel with new teammates and coaches, daily work ethic, are they selfish or willing to sacrafice for the good Of the team, what type of Charechter will they show during losing streaks and down times? With the bust rate that comes with signing other teams free agents, it doesn’t suck that we get to add some really talented young players and try them on for size before having to decide to commit Longterm. It’s not every day that you can even get a talent like Alshon on a 1yr prove it deal. So im viewing this opportunity more as glass half full, instead of worrying that we might lose one after a big year. We are set to have plenty of Cap space for our cap wizard Howie to work with. There is a Chance it works against us like when we lost Maclin after he performed on a prove it deal, but things may have been different if Howie was in charge instead of chip.
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Loving their commitment to the trenches, need to start slapping people around and manhandling opponents at the line of scrimmage
What do you guys think the chances are of Jmatt getting traded in the same way Jernigan was traded to us? Say to move up some spots in rounds 2 – 4.
2 through 4
Get that choker outta here
I think the Eagles would probably prefer the draft pick outright rather than a move up.
For Matthews, yes. I think the scenario is more appealing for Kendricks and/or Kelce.
It is certainly something to consider.
Agreed but I think it would depend on whats on the board.
If you’re freaking out in the 5th round about a guy you really want going in the next 8 picks and somebody will take one of them to move up sure.
Otherwise getting a 7 to lock up a lottery ticket like:
Chad Williams WR Grambling
Speedy Noil WR TAMU
Kyle Kalis G MICH
Ifaedi Odenighbo DE Nortwestern
Trent Taylor WR LA TECH
Chase Rouiller C Wyoming
Al-Quadin Muhammad DE Miami
Andreas Knappe T UCONN
Deveon Smith RB MICH
Anthony Wales RB WKU
Would be preferable
That was my gut feeling as well, but i thought i would throw the idea out there.
Only if a WR is drafted in the first. I think the plan is to give Wentz 3 solid wideouts, plus Ertz and Sproles.
Or McCaffrey
I think it could happen, but they won’t give him away, Howie would have to get good value. I think the team wants Alshon to succeed this year, and will pay him if he does in the offseason. That may mean there wont be enough money left for JMatt. I also wouldnt be surprised to see the team draft John Ross at #14. This team clearly wants speed at the receiver position, and Ross could be DeSean 2.0. He could be really special in this offense. If that happens JMatt could walk in the offseason.
Why does everyone want to get rid of Matthews so badly? He drops some balls, but is a solid receiver who should do great with some big play threats on the outside.
2016 draft has a chance to be a good one for both HOWIE(Eagles), Joe Douglas and the Chicago Bears, some really nice talent when you combine the 2016 draft haul of the Eagles and Bears:
#2 Carson Wentz, potential franchise QB
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#9 Leonard Floyd Edge rusher had 7 sacks as a rookie
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#54 Cody Whitehair looking like he has a chance to grow into a Quality starter on the interior OL
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#72 Jonathon Bullard, i really liked this pick for the Bears. Quiet rookie season but a really bright future
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#79 Isaac Seumalo looks on track to become a LongTerm starter in philly.
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#113 LB Nick Kwiatkoski
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#124 Safety Deon Bush
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#127 Deiondre Hall
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#150 Jordan Howard RB
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#153 Wendell Smallwood
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#164 Big V
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#233 Jalen Mills
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#240 McCalister
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#251 joe Walker looked like he was going to make the roster before he got hurt
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We don’t know how much influence Douglas had in the Bears draft, but seems like both men were part of a staff that did what looks like a really promising job in last years draft,
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I sure wouldn’t mind seeing the Eagles go into the 2017 with our RB Depth chart of
RB1: Jordan Howard
RB2 Smallwood
RB3 Sproles
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Would have been great to have Seumalo and Whitehair
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Hopefully the Douglas/Roseman tandem can get off to a good start with a great 2017 draft
Question for the community- would you rather have traded a player for Jernigan or traded down in the third round as Howie did? Do you think we offered Kendricks for Jernigan as an example?
I am sure Howie floated any players he wants to offload first. I cannot see any reason why he would not start there.
we’d basically be getting a third round pick for kendricks then, and if that is the case, we need howie to take over as POTUS immediately
Actually, I’d be down for that already.
Mixed on this trade. It clearly fills a need and is an upgrade over Allen/Valeo.
Also was a real opportunity cost though in terms of moving so far down in the 3rd and possibly missing on hitting on a key starter especially in a draft that is deep at CBs.
I still don’t have a good sense of if the Eagles are really focused on making this season or building more for the future with that as more of an opportunistic goal for next season (see this as an ~8 win team but if they get decent production out of their draft this year & a little luck can win 10 games next year).
This move and the Jeffrey signing indicate ‘yes’ to me although I need to see what they do in the draft.
For me, I don’t think that the question your are seeking a yes or no answer to is a yes or no question.
Yes they are building for the future, but they also want to give themselves a decent chance of winning in the short term. I think it’s a balance and it’s imperative to do both at the same time.
Agreed it isn’t a definitive ‘yes’ or ‘no’ but more of a weighing the present (next season) vs say 3 years out.
Even though Lurie downplayed expectations and stressed patience (ditto Roseman), I get the sense that Lurie is pushing pretty hard to make the playoffs next year and have a more dynamic offense in the process. Complete conjecture but I think they go offense in the 1st round and that they draft a RB by the 4th round too.
After that initial 3-0 spurt, this team really sputtered and in general was boring to watch at times. Got a general sense of malaise from the fan base including a ton of no-shows in the last game with the Cowboys.
I hear you. But I think there’s a coexisting of patience, with also wanting to build around Carson as much as possible as soon as possible. For Carson’s development, the more quality weapons and the sooner, the better for his development. I think a strong argument can be made that he’ll develop quicker with success as opposed to struggling with inadequate protection and weapons.
I think if they spent big on CB in FA (the teams undisputed biggest need and for good reason) then it would be about being impatient and focusing on the short term.
But with Carson and the offense, building sooner is ALSO building for the long term.
Lol you could find a thousand dollars falling from the heavens directly into your hands, and you wouldn’t be happy
Sure I would be but I would want to know where it came from and if anyone was looking for it.
Your hyperbole is entertaining but often really off-base.
He’s pretty on-base with this one.
So thinking they are an 8-win team who can win 10 games if some things fall into place makes me a pessimist?
Nah. Just a Negadelphian. .
It kind of does. You’re basically suggesting that predicting NFL teams’ success, and in April for that matter, is fairly doable. There are 32 0-0 teams right now. Of course you’d be reasonable to suggest that NE and ATL are more likely to have successful records than SF and CLE, but getting into specifics and labeling teams as a specific record now is only based off of pessimism or optimism.
No, Bob, predicting 8 wins is not pessimistic, it’s actually just the average amount of wins for an average team. I see nothing wrong with your prediction and it’s as good as any other. Green-tinged glasses add 2-4 wins.
I don’t even think you need ‘green-tinged glasses’ either. Need to grab 2 starters in the draft this year (including one at CB and RB) who can step in and play well/pretty well this year.
Some luck on the injury front (especially on defense) and Wentz to play a bit better. Winning 12 games is a real stretch though.
This team underperformed last year by point differentials. They should have been 9-7 or 10-6 if I recall correctly just by looking at how many points they scored vs how many they gave up. They didn’t lose any important pieces and added major talent. They SHOULD win 10+ games this year. Anything less is a disappointment.
Teams who underperform based on their points cored and points allowed usually rebound the following season Think eaglesrewind.com has more on this…
Yes, they did, but most of that was in the early part of season when they were blowing people out. Then they fell back towards to earth. It’s very non-stats, but it seemed Carson and the D got “figured out.” Until those problems are solved, I personally think they’re closer to 8 than 10.
No, I think always looking at the glass as half empty makes you a pessimist. Sorry, but you have a pattern, and it’s a pessimistic one. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, we each have to live how we live, but someone called you on it, and he’s correct.
“falling FROM the heavens”… Who you think lost it? Allah?
Keep religion out of this but yeah I would certainly wonder because that is entirely irrational.
$1000 starts to get into the realm of being a meaningful amount of money for most people.
I’d be concerned about if someone lost and needed it or if they would resort to aggressive behavior/violence to get it back.
exactly like No Country for Old Mean you might get a psycho on your tail.
Last I heard, they buried Allah and he stayed there, so it’s got to be Someone else 🙂
I don’t know how you can’t like this trade, unless you just don’t like the player. You said that it fills a need. We got a starter on the DL and only had to drop 25 spots in the draft. The Eagles supposedly offered Logan $8mil/year to stay. We are paying Jernigan $1mil this year and get to see how he does in this scheme. If he balls out, we will definitely be able to resign him. If he sucks, let him walk. Eagles filled a need and didn’t lose any draft picks. Eagles still have Kendricks and Kelce as trade bait. They could package one of them with a pick to move up.
This team underperformed last year by point differentials. They should have been 9-7 or 10-6 if I recall correctly just by looking at how many points they scored vs how many they gave up. They didn’t lose any important pieces and added major talent. They SHOULD win 10+ games this year. Anything less is a disappointment.
Teams who underperform based on their points cored and points allowed usually rebound the following season. Think eaglesrewind.com has more
Mel Kiper has andy Reid taking QB Kizer in round 1. That’s such an andy Reid draft pick
Lol… let’s hope
This is a great move. I don’t share Tommy’s sentiment that 25 spots in the draft is that big of a difference; we drafted BG over JPP after all. Of course I realize he really likes this move too. He just thinks it was not with out cost. I disagree.
All you draft nuts are too close to it. From where I sit in 5 years we won’t see much difference in 25 draft spots in the 3rd round (usually).
I had a similar thought. It would be interesting (nearly impossible, but interesting) to do a study: randomly select a draft spot and use hindsight to determine how often the best option at that spot is the same as the best option ten or 15 picks in either direction.
https://twitter.com/MarkDulgerianOS/status/849664461711462400
I gotta say his hands look pretty solid.
Funny how solid hands is good, stone hands is bad, but soft hands is good.
But to your point, he looks fluid and smooth.
He might still be the best RB in this draft after all. And maybe even better than Zeke..
I am missing something, he caught three passes. Ags looks good too…Until he doesn’t.
I agree. He doesn’t look overly smooth in the routes and he doesnt have anyone covering him.
Don’t disagree but you don’t need to be smooth or a good route runner to be a great RB.
You’re looking for technique and comfort. Fournette was used sparingly as a receiver. People came up with this narrative where he has bad hands.
I have no idea how his hands are as I am no scout and don’t pretend to be one. I’m just saying catching 3 passes in shorts does not a pass catcher make.
It’s a clip for one. I have no clue how many routes or balls he caught at his pro day.
I don’t get people who say Derek Barnett isn’t worth 14. He will be gone by 14…
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/5/15073514/derek-barnett-scouting-report-2017-nfl-draft
I’m not saying DB is going to fall out of the first or is some bad player, but a DE with short arms and average athleticism isn’t a top 15 lock. NFL guys love potential and there are a bunch of great athletes that teams could feel will be better pros than Barnett. I could easily see DB falling to the mid 20s. If he ends up being a dominant pro pass rusher he would be the exception, not the rule with his physical limitations.
Well I have to say I love the Joe Douglas influence on player personnel moves of late. This is a great addition to the DL, I always thought Fletcher Cox needed a more dominate player to be paired with and Jernigan fits the bill. looking forward to what Torrie Smith has left in the tank as well, thinking he may have the most yds and TD’s next season for the birds. We still have a huge hole to fill at CB’s for next year but 8 draft picks should net us a couple of rookie starters will see. Not real crazy about Long as the new DE but hoping Vinny Curry can put it all together this year. The offense seems fine, would like a bigger Center other than Kelce and a more powerful RB, heard AP was available and wonder if the Eagle’s might have interest? So far so Good, this team is set to push into the play offs if we work hard and remain healthy.
are you kidding me with this post, if you want to call it that
Kidding about what? having one of the best RB in the league on a one year deal and to help this team win games not to mention help train and teach our backs? No not a joke at all…
All I care about is that they’d better not waste all their drafts picks on rookies again.
I would love to see Derek Barnett or Chidobe Awuzie, Kevin King, James Connor as Eagles.