OTAs – Week 2
Posted: May 30th, 2017 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 107 Comments »The Eagles were back in action on Tuesday and it was open to the media so we have some news and nuggets to take in.
Rather than go writer by writer, let’s talk about players/positions. We’ll start with CBs.
While Douglas got beaten on that red zone play, he had a fantastic day otherwise. In a different red zone drill, he broke sharply on a slant route intended for Nelson Agholor and was able to make the play. Later in the practice, Douglas got his hands on three consecutive passes. He is always aware of where the ball is, which is why he was able to lead the nation in interceptions last year, with eight.
That is very encouraging to hear. Looking good for a day doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, but it is great to hear the rookie CB is performing well. That is the weakest position on the team and it is one spot where a rookie has a legit shot to win a starting job. Douglas isn’t there yet, but he’s trending in the right direction. He’s showing that the pro game isn’t too big for him, at least not right now.
Les Bowen had a good quote from Douglas in regard to breaking up passes, despite being so new.
“It makes me feel good, boosts confidence. I’m still waiting for my first interception, but it’s good to get a feel of the ball, the route concepts,” said Douglas, a third-round pick from West Virginia who intercepted nine passes in his two seasons there.
This kid is really growing on me. He doesn’t want to just cover, he wants the ball. I love DBs who think like that and have the skills to back it up. He will get burned at times, but will also make some big plays.
Jeff McLane had some notes on other corners.
I don’t want to make too much of a May practice in shorts and shells, but the much-maligned Eagles cornerbacks had a nice day, particularly some of the guys lower on the depth chart. Mitchell White, a former CFLer, batted a Wentz pass to Smith to the ground. Aaron Grymes, another product of the Great White North, undercut a Nick Foles pass and intercepted it. Undrafted rookie Randall Goforth (young man) broke up a Foles toss to Burton. And Douglas, despite that jump ball loss to Jeffery, had some fine moments. He had tight coverage vs. Agholor on an errant pass in the back of the end zone and jumped another toss to Agholor.
Grymes is a player I think could once again challenge for a roster spot. Goforth was a S/Nickel at UCLA so it is interesting to see the Eagles playing him mostly at CB. He has good ball skills and the ability to play inside or out so you can see where the Eagles coaches would have interest.
Aaron Grymes is making the Edmonton Eskimos proud today. Two consecutive good plays in RZ, including INT off Foles.
— Zach Berman (@ZBerm) May 30, 2017
The Eagles need multiple players to help the CB situation. This isn’t a one-guy fix.
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Carson Wentz and the offense struggled, partially due to the rain, partially due to the defense and partially due to themselves. We’ll start with Brandon Lee Gowton’s thoughts on Wentz.
Same deal as last week for Carson Wentz: another up and down showing.
He once again struggled with sailing passes during red zone drills. Too often were the passes sailing out of the back of the end zone, completely failing to give his receivers a chance to catch the ball. Missing high wasn’t the only issue. He also threw a worm burner over the middle to the feet of Trey Burton. Wentz got picked off by Jalen Mills on a short throw intended for Brent Celek. It looked like there may have been some miscommunication on the play. Wentz almost threw a second interception on a short pass to Celek but Najee Goode dropped the pick.
It wasn’t all bad for Wentz. The 24-year-old passer threw a few nice touch passes on fade routes to both Celek and Burton in the end zone. He gave Jeffery a chance on the jump ball touchdown and he also connected with Nelson Agholor (who burned Mills) on a deep bomb for a score.
It can take the offense a few weeks to get going, especially with a young QB and new WRs. Timing and chemistry are critical to offensive success. These players need some time to work out the kinks and get in a good rhythm. If Wentz is playing like this on Aug 15th, then we have an issue.
Wentz is making some impressive throws.
Wentz with a really nice throw to Burton in the back corner of the end zone for a TD. Nice anticipation pass. #Eagles
— Brandon Lee Gowton (@BrandonGowton) May 30, 2017
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Everyone took note of Alshon Jeffery on one play. Here is BLG’s take.
PLAY OF THE DAY: Alshon Jeffery made a beastly catch in the end zone by winning out on a jump ball thrown by Carson Wentz. Rookie cornerback Rasul Douglas had tight coverage but it doesn’t matter with Jeffery. The veteran wide receiver is going to go up and get that ball. After Jeffery made the catch, he got up, stared Douglas down, and spiked the ball directly in front of the Eagles’ third round draft pick. In my head I’m imagining Alshon said something like “F*** you rookie! You can’t stop me!”
I’m really looking forward to see him Jeffery in action. It sounds like he is fired up and wants to play at a high level. He just got a big paycheck, but it doesn’t sound like he is sitting around counting his money.
Nearly got taken out on the play before to secure this angle. Hope you enjoy the Mack Hollins tip and grab. pic.twitter.com/sShGfvcgjT
— Tim McManus (@Tim_McManus) May 30, 2017
Looks like Hollins could turn out to be a good receiver. Still way early, but lots of encouraging signs. Dave Zangaro also chimed in on Hollins.
Rookie receiver Mack Hollins has been more impressive thus far than fellow rookie Shelton Gibson, which is less of a knock on Gibson than it is praise to Hollins. Hollins’ combo of size and speed is standing out consistently, and he certainly looks like more than a special teamer. So we’ve established that Hollins is a pretty good football player in shorts, but let’s not crown him yet. The pads go on in August.
And here is a note from Jimmy Bama on Nelson Agholor.
One thing Nelson Agholor seems to be putting an emphasis on is contested catches. After he catches passes away from his body with his hands, he yanks the ball away from the (invisible) defender. It’s catch, and yank. Agholor has not been good on contested catches, so his (or perhaps Mike Groh’s) idea to do that is a good one. Agholor had an OK day. He made the catches he should have made, but was unable to come up some more difficult ones. His highlight of the day came on a double move against Jalen Mills in which Agholor beat Mills deep for a TD. That drew a “GOT EEEEEM!” from Torrey Smith.
It is good that Agholor is focused on something. That’s a sign of good coaching. Anyone could tell him to not drop as many passes, but finding a way to have him address something specifically is smart. That should help give him the best chance to succeed. Agholor is off to a solid start, but still has a long way to go.
Smith and Jeffery drilling Eagles pic.twitter.com/M0e82MFIxs
— Ed Kracz (@kracze) May 30, 2017
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Jimmy Bama noticed something interesting in regard to the jumbo sets.
Last year, the Eagles would often add an extra blocker in jumbo sets. That was Matt Tobin. This year that role has gone to Dillon Gordon, which are essentially first-team reps. Gordon had that role in the first round of OTAs as well. He’s looking like an early strong bet to make the roster.
It sounds like the Eagles want to get Gordon on the field. Not as a starter, but as a role player. They want to see him in action to find out what he can do. He also brings a lot of versatility because of his background. Tobin was a 6th OL. Gordon could be that or a 3rd TE or the FB.
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The guys from PE.com on Donnel Pumphrey.
The Eagles are exploring ways to utilize rookie Donnel Pumphrey in both the offense and special teams. On offense, Pumphrey moves around the formation from the backfield to the slot. During special teams drills, Pumphrey took a lot of reps fielding punts.
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Who was there and who wasn’t? Tim McManus has the info.
Defensive tackle Fletcher Cox returned after missing the first week of OTAs, but there were a number of absences Tuesday. Tackle Jason Peters and punter Donnie Jones were not in attendance for the second straight week. Running backs LeGarrette Blount and Darren Sproles had family obligations. Defensive linemen Tim Jernigan and Alex McCalister and corner Ron Brooks also were out for personal reasons. Vinny Curry was sidelined with an illness.
Amazingly, Marcus Smith skipped for the second week in a row. Les Bowen went all Woodward & Bernstein to get to the bottom of this.
One-word email answer from Kennard McGuire, Marcus Smith's agent, on Marcus not being at #Eagles OTAs: "Voluntary."
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) May 30, 2017
Yikes. That’s not…good. OTAs are voluntary. What they don’t tell you is that they are voluntary for good players. For everyone else (and that certainly includes Marcus Smith), you better have your butt there or you may pay with your job. If Smith is great from here on out, fine. That isn’t likely. And this is the time of year for marginal players to work to improve their game so they can win a roster spot.
Or not.
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I think Mack Hollis will be a stud!! Could cause big match up issues for defenses.
So much mass for one cb to handle
they gon’ need some of dat fight milk to compete!!
Hollins on side and AJ on the other. Thats a lot of height
with jordan and ertz in the slot
or add some speed with torrey
could be fun!!
or Pumphrey. Boy does that kid need a nickname – DPump? Dpu?
i think his name from college was simply Pump!
but shouldnt it be Pumph? lol
And with the nickname pump, all I can think about is the Nikey Turkey commercial from SNL.
“Just pump it.”
Here is his theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKO80WcO0eU
Dont forget the Resurrection of Nelson
yeah… i forgot it on purpose lol
Forest Whitaker voice: “Keep the dream Alive!”
His nick name is D.J
Solid candidate for the Na Brown award, no doubt,
Lol that email.
RZ wishlist for the last 9 years
[x] Big RB that can actually punch it in
[x] WRs that can box out people for jumpballs
[x] Gadget players to get those cute trick plays
[x] OL that can get some push
[ ] Magic football that scores by itself
Does telling Doug to go F himself on his red zone play calling count as “scoring” on himself?
Take your meds, and that advice you offered up too.
Huh?
I was responding to your Doug trashing attitude. It’s May. He was a rookie head coach last year, with a rookie QB, RB injuries, TE injuries, bad WRs, and OL woes. And here you are in May, after they made hugely significant additions to interior OL, WR including proven RZ weapons, big RB who lead the league in TDs last year – especially short yardage… And you’re sitting here bringing “tude” about the coach’s RZ play calling last year?
Come on man.
You’re not going to cure him. That change can only come from within. Or, without, if “without” means pinning his eyes open a la “Clockwork Orange” and forcing him to watch a spy cam chronicling the mundanities of Kenjon Barner’s life.
This is truth.
I was just playing on the use of the verb “to score” in Insomniac’s checklist. I guess you didn’t care for it.
Fair enough. Wasn’t trying to be an ass.
And to your point; I’d also expect upgrades at RB, LG, C, and WR.x 2 to give Doug a better level of comfort in calling better plays in the RZ this year.
Cheers to that.
很荣幸来到这里参观!
I’m looking forward to Alshon scoring a TD on a jump ball over overrated bums Janoris Jenkins / Eli Apple / DRC!
Nolan Carroll, oh wait he might be suspended
Indeed, not like there’s great corners for the most part in the NFCE – Alshon already proved he can own the talented big mouth in WAS… and that was with a crappy QB…
I just want him to catch a jump ball over Josh Norman.
I’m looking forward to an Eagles receiver catching a jump ball in the red zone.
I’m looking forward to an Eagles receiver catching the ball
I’m looking foward to an Eagles receiver lining up in the correct position.
All these issues will be solved by the firing of Greg Lewis, scapeG.O.A.T.
Janoris Jenkins isn’t overrated.
All encouraging stuff, but why did McLane feel necessary to include in parantheses that UDFA Randall Goforth is a young man?
Yeah that puzzled me. McLane is weird to say the least. But I was wondering if it was a reference and indeed it is. Famous poem starts “Go forth young man”….
It is. I realized it later.
Most embarrassingly, I made a similar joke when he was signed.
Forget that rep, it’s just OTAs. Time to knock that rust off – now if you make that mistake repeatedly late in training camp….
My guess: gentlemen’s bet with Kempski where the stakes were writing something odd parenthetically. Maybe the over/under on Jason Kelce’s bathroom breaks?
so you’re the kind of funny guy who doesn’t like other guys being funny? 🙂
The coffee hadn’t kick in yet.
The overall covfefe of the team looks promising.
well played
It’s positively cromulent.
Despite the constant negative press
I get it, it’s May and it’s ‘oh, it’s ok, he(Wentz) has til August’…word of caution…Wentz(and I’m a fan of Wentz) issue at the end of last season was over throwing. Wentz hooked up with a guru over the winter to work on those mechanics. Wentz has worked current coaches. Wentz is still over throwing, enough to where reports after two OTA’s are the same – up and down. Nobody is sounding the alarm but you do have to raise an eyebrow that his issue is still noticeable enough to write about it.
I thoroughly disagree. We don’t know the purpose of the drills, and otas is not where you evaluate performance.
oh, so MS is correct. Nobody needs to show up because nothing is being accomplished in OTA’s. I think you’re extremely underestimating OTA’s. They aren’t just show up and run around in circles. T-Law is pretty clear about what OTA’s mean, which is 180 from your view…Trends are set (good or bad or correctable til next team get-togethers) but OTA’s are pretty important…
Not at all what i was saying. I didn’t suggest Carson should be absent, or not try. At all . It’s not all so extreme.
“raise an eyebrow” is extreme? I get people interpret what they are reading to their own opinion but how does raise an eyebrow = extreme? I also don’t mean to imply Wentz should be fixed(by guru) because what he’s doing/experiencing is a process that isn’t fixed by 1 visit. Simply saying — Aggie worked on something and it’s noticeable(to date) .. Wentz worked on something and it’s not noticeable (to date)…nothing more, nothing less…
“raise an eyebrow” – no that’s not extreme. That wasn’t what I was referring to.
“oh, so MS is correct. Nobody needs to show up because nothing is being accomplished in OTA’s. I think you’re extremely underestimating OTA’s. They aren’t just show up and run around in circles. T-Law is pretty clear about what OTA’s mean, which is 180 from your view…” – that’s an extreme reaction to my point.
gotcha…
Foles!! Foles!! Foles!!
Saw a girl wearing a Foles shirt the other day (in Arizona). That’s my boy!
Well… he did play college ball at Arizona, and has a jersey in the pro football HOF.
The purpose of the drill was to score in the redzone. Wentz did have an issue with over throwing guys last year. Its worth mentioning at least if he’s still doing it.
is it going to be an issue in September? Who knows?
exactly. nobody is yelling panic. Just taking notes.
Careful… you’re either with us or against us, man!
I’m on the fence 🙂
It’s probably always going to be a flaw and that’s ok.
Rodgers has a propensity to go chicken with his head cut off when he’s not comfortable.
Big Ben will hold onto the football until 8 defenders bring him down.
Eli loves to throw the ball to the other team
McNabb killed all the worms
Matt Ryan can’t improvise
Cam’s relies too much on arm talent instead of technique and can get wild
Luck is a gunslinger
Carson is always going to have some gunslinger and some issues with accuracy in his game. And he can still be a top 10 QB with these deficiencies.
The mechanical stuff could take years to iron out the roughest edges.
But he’s big, can move, improvise, and most importantly he can process the field.
If I had any photoshop skills (at all), your first sentence would move me to make a stuart smalley picture with Wentz’s head, doing a daily affirmation.
Since I don’t, I’m forced to making you use your imagination.
And we’re splitting hairs in May(about Wentz). McNabb killing worms is by far, the funniest post of the year. Luck IMHO is still growing. If I’m expecting Luck to continue to grow, I expect a year 2 QB to also to continue to grow.
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With that said…Eagles were aggressive and moved up to get Wentz. I don’t know(don’t really care) if other teams moved up to get those QB’s. Because of such a move, there are certain expectations of that QB. Those expectations are further into then this year. let’s hope for improvement and not regression…
So he’s not going to be Rodgers but Favre instead? What a bust.
Could get a Favre in the second round. Bust and a reach.
Brady has failed to win a Super Bowl in some seasons. Plus he cheats. Regularly.
During this off-season, I convinced myself that Wentz will make great strides this year, that he’s a future high-caliber qb, and he’s the franchise qb of the next decade. Except, what if he’s not?
The results of the work you put into the offseason, and the progression from rookie year to the proverbial “second year jump” – is not to be measured in May.
This is “get the rust off” time, start building a bit of chemistry with the new WRs time, introduce the rooks and lower roster guys time. Not starting QB consistent high performance time.
Preach brother. I am ready to move on from this failed FCS QB experiment. Consider my eyebrows raised.
It has been an issue since college. A year or two isn’t going to magically fix it.
I guess that’s even more to the point. Can it be fixed? And me being a million miles away – does it have to be fixed? 25 for 40 with 5 overthrows and 3 TD’s? I guess I don’t care. Down 3 with 1 minute left to play and an over throw on 3rd, I’ll care :).
Today’s attendance was a little better…
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/869956834190163968
Cutting someone because they didn’t go to voluntary practice would be a violation of the CBA. I understand that that would be hard to show, but I don’t like the idea of shades of gray with the word voluntary.
It’s like the rest of the world. They can’t fire you because you got pregnant, but they can document every silly mistake you ever made and use that one time you were 2 min late coming back from lunch to justify firing you instead. If Smith if on the edge of the roster and not doing anything to save himself, there’s plenty of reasons to cut him if they need one.
Is there any advantage to playing that game, though? Why not just want until mandatory practices, fine him until h shows, then cut him when he performs poorly?
In addition to being legit, it seems like it would send a better message to the rest of the players.
I doubt they cut him prematurely unless there’s somebody on the market that’s better. Otherwise, they’ll just let one of the other guys “win” the roster spot to boost their confidence.
He’s due a bonus before cap. That’s legit reason enough to cut him.
https://youtu.be/XYVZffSgy_Y
Waited months for this!
I like Jim Schwartz. He seems like a new man compared to his hot-head days in Detroit.
I agree he seems like a cool guy, but I wish his defensive scheme wasn’t so predictable. Mix in different looks and blitz more. Why do we have to live and die by the DL getting pressure?
Because – if you can generate pressure with 4, the defense is extremely better.
He was the same before he became an HC.
Osweiler completing the worst offseason ever with a possible knee injury today.
Marcus Smith must not like money.
I’m missing something .. couldnt watch the video. .. haven’t seen any updates. .. did they cut him ?? That’s my immediate thought
You missed nothing. It’s Marcus Smith missing something.
Or, knowing he’s going to be cut, isn’t stupid enough to participate in voluntary OTAs. Getting hurt practicing with a team that is going to cut him won’t help him get a chance elsewhere. Frankly, I think he may be making the right decision.
He’s 100% trying to compel a cut. I don’t blame him. I also won’t blame the front office for telling Smith to F off, report to the mandatory stuff, or start getting fined.
He’s the team’s property and totally at their mercy until such time as they decide he’s not.
But I don’t blame him for trying to engineer an exit prior to teams finalizing camp plans.
I wonder what kind of contract he would get. Certainly no more than a 1 year deal at the minimum.
But his agent would get a cut of the signing bonus on that new deal, so…………….
You know, if the Eagles are in need of DE depth I’m willing to sign for the veteran minimum and I can guarantee as much production as MSII. Just sayin.
Smith is in a really bad spot. He’s 100% a practice body destined for a cut because he’s the DE5.
That’s what I’m saying, if the Eagles need an ineffective DE5 to eat up reps, I will gladly ineffectively rush the passer for 700,000 dollars.
Wouldn’t he be uncuttable if he got hurt, or require an injury settlement?
Well, this is encouraging coming from Fletch…
“I like everything this organization is doing and I think this
organization is moving forward. I love everybody (they acquired),
especially Derek Barnett. I just go out and watch the kid. I have been
here the whole offseason, and this kid has a lot of energy and he’s
going to be a big help for us.”
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-hopes-weight-loss-helps-him-become-more-productive
That’s much better than Steeler WRs trying to tell each other they’re getting cut over drafting JuJu Smith Fraudster.
Smith is good as gone. What a waste
Agreed. He’s the poster child for why you don’t reach in drafts.
I don’t know if that is really the moral here. Had we traded back for an extra 4th rounder who likely also would no longer be on the team, I don’t think we would feel much different about MSII.
Of course, had we traded back and Dallas snatched him from under our noses as was rumored, he would be one of our favorite picks from that draft, so maybe you are right.
Yeah. It really comes down to being prepared for anything in the draft. I blame chip for it, and I don’t think he and Howie were on the same page at all. Didn’t we find out later that they only had a handful of guys ready to take in the first round? And magically they were all taken before the Eagles pick.
Is the poster big enough to fit Danny Watkins too?
It’s funny – it doesn’t how bad a pick is and I’ll never think it was worse than taking Kolb. I think it was the arrogance of Andy Reid, smirking like he just made a move for a superstar that nobody else knew about…
I think partly that, and partly that it came after we traded back, out of the 1st round. We waited and waited and then.. Kevin Kolb. It was like a surprise birthday present that turned out to be a treadmill.
Considering what Kolb was traded for, that was a terrific pick.
Chase, Steven, who’s next? Jack?
https://twitter.com/LesBowen/status/870276031239917568