Frustrating Loss

Posted: September 17th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 260 Comments »

The Eagles lost a winnable game.

That’s the biggest takeaway for me.

KC is the better team. They were at home. This was going to be an uphill battle. But there the Eagles were, tied at 13-13 in the 4th quarter. They had knocked Alex Smith around and shut down the KC offense most of the day. Then Carson Wentz threw a weird pick, where the ball deflected off a helmet and was caught by a DL. The Chiefs scored a TD there and that was the beginning of the end.

The game was right there for the taking, but the Eagles made mistakes and the Chiefs made crucial plays.

It would have been so much easier to take a loss where the Chiefs were clearly better and they methodically took apart the Eagles. Instead the two teams felt basically the same until the middle of the 4th quarter. That’s when the Chiefs played like veterans, like proven winners. The Eagles played like a team that is still trying to find itself.

Winners aren’t built overnight. It takes time for the players to gel and figure things out. The Eagles have the talent to be a good team this year, but they found out on Sunday that you can’t count on the opponent to make mistakes. WAS fell apart at times in the opener. The Chiefs didn’t make those mistakes.

The Eagles now sit at 1-1 after the first two games of the season. That’s a solid start when you consider that both games were on the road and they came against teams that had winning records last year. No gimmes.

Quick Hits

Isaac Seumalo had a bad game. One penalty and I think he gave up 3 sacks. Very discouraging. The Eagles had high expectations for him coming into this season.

Jake Elliott missed a chip shot FG, but made all his other kicks.

The DL was dominant at times.

Jordan Hicks and Mychal Kendricks played well. Hicks can be a punishing blitzer.

Torrey Smith failed to catch some early passes. Gotta make those plays.

CB Rasul Douglas played a lot and looked good. Very encouraging beginning for him.

You won’t be mistaking Corey Graham for Brian Dawkins any time soon.

The run-pass balance was bad…basically non-existent. Sproles was good on some runs. Smallwood didn’t seem to have any room. Need to watch the tape to get a better feel for what happened. Pederson said after the game he knows they need better balance and that they will keep working on fixing the run game. Something has to happen.

*****

I’ll post some extended thoughts later tonight.

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  • Dave

    Sheil being the voice of reason some other beats are calling for Clements to play.

    https://twitter.com/SheilKapadia/status/909529079455428608

    • Insomniac

      I’m expecting fans to make a suck for Barkley movement sometime soon.

      Suck for Chubb seems more reasonable to me though.

    • Gary Barnes

      Agree this has validity – Blount does not seem to fit Pederson’s offensive scheme and thus may have been a “best of available options” move by Roseman/Douglas. Smallwood clearly is not a factor. Sproles is good, but limited. Clement dime a dozen.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      And Kelce isn’t that good in the run game either. McCoy’s game covered up a lot of Kelce’s deficiencies.

  • Dave

    I’d like to see Mack playing more, spelling both Torrey and Ags. I feel he, Alshon, and Ertz have the best hands.

    • laeagle

      I think Mack is going to be a player. Floor is now a really solid #2, ceiling still TBD.

      • BobSmith77

        It will be interesting to see how quickly he eats into the PT for Smith/Agholor.

        • Will Ft. The Roots

          Id keep Ags in the slot and move Hollins outside

    • Insomniac

      Ags is fine. Replacing Torrey with Hollins would be more ideal.

      • Dave

        The drop he had today says otherwise.

        • A_T_G

          The defender had his arm. You’d like to see him muscle through and catch the ball, but it wasn’t like last year.

        • Will Ft. The Roots

          AJ had pass hit him in the hands too.

          • Mr. Magee

            How many total drops today? I’m looking for fan opinion here, not official stats.

  • Gary Barnes

    Agree with your first line completely,. Tommy. That is why I am frustrated even though the Eagles overall played a pretty strong game.

    • RC5000

      It’s interesting Tommy also said winners aren’t built overnight in light of your comment in last thread. . Fans like you expect them to be as you say you do in the other thread. But realistically, I agree with Tommy that you don’t build a team overnight like you expect.

      • Gary Barnes

        I do not expect winners to be built overnight. I’ve never said that in any thread on here.

        What I expect is consistent progress and eventually having a truly elite team that can win a SB before I die.

        Roseman has been either heavily involved or in charge since 2010. There has been little stability or progress during that period. He has always been a political operator with sharp elbows. He was heavily involved in hiring Chip who flopped and Pederson who is a question mark. His drafting and FA acquisitions have been mixed at best. His roster construction with RB being the latest example has been just ok. It does not seem to be aligned with any larger strategic vision.

        His trades and cap management have been his best attributes, but is that enough to build an elite team? I’m doubtful right now, but that could change if his hiring of Douglas in personnel pans out well and he improves in other areas.

        How much longer should we have to wait before we can start to expect more from the Eagles? Should we give Roseman another 5 years? Why? What has he ever proven or done to earn such a tenure? We have made the playoffs 2x and won 0 games since 2010. Win something and then talk.

        Again, expecting the team who states they are competing seriously for a playoff spot to have at the very least an effective run game is hardly an outrageously high standard. Especially when the HC they hired supposedly wants to use the run game as a key component of an efficient and consistent offense and they are trying to develop a young QB.

        • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

          “Rome was not built in a day”…
          and Chip left us with very little to build with.
          It is amazing that we are even thinking playoffs at this point. Gotta give Howie tons of credit here.

  • BobSmith77

    First time in a long-time I can remember the Eagles’ special teams didn’t come out today out on top although they did recover the onside kick.

    Gave up 6 pts today (missed chip before the half and the Sproles fumble).

    • Gary Barnes

      Fantastic play by Burton on the on-sides kick however…clutch

  • “It would have been so much easier to take a loss where the Chiefs were clearly better and they methodically took apart the Eagles.”

    I disagree with this 100%

    I feel better that they showed they can compete at a high level, esp the defense.

    if the eagles got dominated that wouldnt give much hope of anything, playing well always brings hope and makes it easier to take this week 2 loss to a AFC team

    • xeynon

      I’m with you. Losing a winnable game is frustrating, but it’s much better than watching your team get pounded and just realizing they’re not good enough to compete with elite opponents.

    • goeagles55

      This is exactly how I feel. They lost the turnover battle. The O-line was not great. Some catchable balls were dropped. And still, this was a very close game in the middle of the 4th quarter against a very good team.

  • Buge Halls

    Two turnovers led to 13 points – deadly. And the missed FG. There were a lot of good things though. Hopefully it will cone together this season

  • nopain23

    Talent on the oline is there. At some point you have to look at the o line coach.
    i think its time for a change there

    • Dave

      That time will come, but not until the off-season.

    • Mr. Magee

      Overdue, actually

    • Billy Logue

      I think you have to look at the OL men! Overrated talent in the middle of the line.

  • pxa

    Hunt did nothing until that one big play. Surprisingly Andy stayed with running the ball but Doug bailed early. Smallwood had a big 8 yard run and then was taken out the very next play. RBs need time and repetition. This RB by committee is BS. Name a starter and stay with it. Use other RBs as change up. The whole “hot hand” idea is a failed strategy that suggests the coaches and the front office do not know what they are doing.

    • Buge Halls

      I’d say they don’t have the talent for a #1 which is why they have the committee. Nothing to do with coaching or the F.O.

      • Nailed It!

        How is talent not a FO problem?

        • Dave

          The FO had exactly 1 off-season to fix the RB position. They missed out in the draft on several apparent targets and Blount was clearly the best FA target.

          The only way they could have gotten a RB in the draft was by reaching. I’m happy with the Jones and Barnett picks.

          • Insomniac

            Well we still have next year with limited ammo…

      • pxa

        Why did the FO not get a RB in a RB-rich draft? They do not have a #1 RB because the FO screwed up.

        • Will Ft. The Roots

          Valid question. In a RB rich draft we came away with Pump.

        • Insomniac

          Short answer: they were gone before we picked.

          • pxa

            They could have traded up.

          • Insomniac

            For who?

            Fournette and McCaffery were both gone in the top 10. It wouldn’t have made any sense to even trade up that far for those guys in the first place.

            The Vikings jumped in front of us for Cook and I doubt we even wanted Cook because of the red flags. Same goes for Joe Mixon.

            So who are you trading up for now without hindsight that’s also not named Kareem Hunt?

          • Guy Media

            Perine

          • Insomniac

            Perine who’s pretty much a smaller version of Blount?

          • Guy Media

            And instead of Gibson or especially Gerry

            TJ Logan. Aaron Jones. Elijah McGuire. DeAngelo Henderson.

        • CrackSammich

          please stop with this. there are 32 teams. there were not 32 RBs worth trading up for. youre complaining just to complain.

      • xeynon

        The problem is that all their RBs are deficient in at least one area, which makes naming a #1 guy tough.

        Blount is a good short yardage runner but doesn’t have the speed to get outside and his TD last week notwithstanding is a non-factor as a receiver.

        Sproles is too small to carry a feature back load.

        And Smallwood can run and catch but is suspect when it comes to blitz pickup.

        Clement might do all of these things okay but isn’t any better than average at any of them.

        They just don’t have the talent at this position to do anything other than RBBC.

  • Nailed It!

    I was driving home during the game but listening on radio. Seems we dropped far too many passes and were right with the Chiefs the entire day. Curry has to wrap up Smith and we might be looking at different outcome. Also, Wentz seemed very reckless with the ball today two maybe fumbles and a bunch of batted passes? Still Eagles could have had the win. Brutal.

    • A_T_G

      My impression is that the “drops” weren’t as bad as you might be picturing. Mostly, they were good defense.

      • Nailed It!

        Copy, very tough to know while driving. Mike Quick kept going on about how receivers need to make the quarterback better and the Eagles wr’s weren’t helping today until the 2nd half.

        • Mr. Magee

          No, Mike Quick had it exactly right. 3 big drops in first half alone. In fact, the birds really lost the game in the first half – too many opportunities missed.

      • Joshua Myers

        Yes, and Wentz needs to clean up the fumbles. He looked decent but it didn’t look like the Eagles are ready to win big games yet. The pass rush and attacking the run on the way, besides the one big rd run by hunt today was fun to watch. Eagles can’t run the ball to save their life.

        • RC5000

          The one fumble was mostly the OL fault…I think it was Brooks.

          • Joshua Myers

            Seumalo was terrible. Not concerned with Brooks if he shows up to play

          • RC5000

            What does that have to do with Wentz fumble being caused by an OL probably Brooks being pushed into the football ?

          • Joshua Myers

            Because seumalo sucked and Brooks played well, Carson shouldn’t keep the ball that far away from his body… Brooks didn’t fumble the ball

      • Dave

        In his defense, Ags didn’t drop the ball, it just clanked off his hands. Since the defender was making a play on the ball, the broadcasters didn’t pick it up and assumed the defender got his hands on the ball.

        • A_T_G

          The defender had his forearm.

          • Dave

            I just watched it frame by frame in slow motion (at the 59 minute mark). The ball hit the bottom of his thumb pads and almost hit him in the wrists. The defender hit his forearm after the ball already clunked of his hands. His hand-eye coordination is horrible.

      • Dave

        Torrey dropped a TD. It was a backshoulder throw, but that’s what he is paid to do.

        • A_T_G

          Yeah, that was a tough catch that should have been caught.

        • xmbk

          Nah, barely touched his fingertips after he jumped backwards.

        • RC5000

          I don’t really agree . It was pretty far over his head.

      • RC5000

        Torrey’s one drop on the deep bomb wasn’t very catchable was it? It’s a popular cliche if it hits a receivers hands they must catch it. But it didn’t bother me much.

        • A_T_G

          The back shoulder in the end zone was tough, but the one I thought was most catchable of the “almosts” today.

          • RC5000

            I’m talking about one that sailed over his head and he just got his fingertips on. I didn’t expect him to make that catch.

          • Dave

            I rewatched that play. I’m not sure if he the ball was too high to catch or if Torrey didn’t time his jump correctly.

          • Mr. Magee

            Bingo

        • Dave

          The deep one he was interfered with by the DB who didn’t seem to get his head around. Could have been a PI.

  • BobSmith77

    With Kendricks continuing to play well, this is the best front 7 on DE for the Eagles in a long, long time.

    Maybe since 2001 when they had a front 7 of Douglas, C. Simon, H. Thomas, Whiting up front with a LBs core of Trotter (pre-ACL injury), Emmons, and Caldwell.

    I would take this DL over that group and even the LBs too although it is too because Emmons was such a steady & versatile veteran especially in coverage.

    • BobSmith77

      1995 defense had a really solid front 7 too:

      DL: Fuller, A. Harmon, Dixon, Mamula
      LBs: Romanowski, Gouveia, W. Thomas

      Fuller and W. Thomas made the Pro-Bowl that year; Harmon had double digit sacks, and Romanowski & Gouveia solid years.

      • Dave

        Ah, Andy Harmon. I waited and bought his Jersey because he looked like he was going to be a stud and have a long career…Very unfortunate.

    • Dave

      I would also take this defensive line. At one point during the game, I read on Twitter that the line combo of Cox, Long, Graham, and Barnett accounted for 7 sacks this season when playing together. That’s some good backups adding value.

      • BobSmith77

        That 2001 team though had very good backups at DE (Burgess, ND Kalu) too and Grasmanis was a steady backup DT.

  • ChoTime

    I only got to watch about a quarter, and they sucked, but externally, this is a fairly encouraging game. Especially if it turns out KC is a powerhouse. It really is no shame to lose a competitive game to a Superbowl contender. Of course, moral victories don’t count in the standings, but at least they showed something.

    My main reservation is–are they rushing Wentz here? I sure would prefer to place him in positions where he can succeed and not rely on low percentage, chaotic plays.

    • xeynon

      I don’t think the plan is to rely on Wentz to bail them out by making great individual plays. They’re trying to give him high percentage throws and keep him out of long yardage situations. The problem is, when they’ve tried to make things easy for him the execution hasn’t been there. It’s not just the running game, either – the screen game has also been really bad so far. When plays that are supposed to be reliable short-to-medium yardage gainers instead go for no gain or even lose you yards, it puts you in a bad situation.

  • scratcherk

    Dak looks like hot trash and just got destroyed.

  • Dave

    Dak is injured…

  • pxa

    KC – 28 pass/19 run
    PHI – 46 pass/18 run
    We had better 3rd down efficiency and more yardage.
    The poor run-pass ratio and the 2 TOs killed us.
    Next week is the key game. We win and we will become early favs to win the division.

    • ChoTime

      It’s not the ratio but the efficiency associated with the plays you ran. Smith had a QB rating of 113. His RBs gained 6 YPC.

      • RC5000

        The ratio is important too because the defense will just tee off on your QB. How do you know your efficiency if you don’t run it? Chiefs had 1 run for 53 yards and the others were 15 carries for 33 yards. I’m not including Smith’s runs.

      • anon

        That ypc stat is misleading, rbs weren’t doing shit until late in the gaame

  • xmbk

    I can’t really fault Torrey Smith. But Douglas definitely looked good. I was telling someone last week that Douglas and the injured corners could determine whether the team makes a playoff run. Obviously Wentz’s development is most important, but if 2 of those 3 cb’s are looking good in December it would bode well.

    • Dave

      Douglas has very good ball awareness.

    • anon

      Take Torrey put put Mack in

      • Mr. Magee

        It’s only 2 weeks, but there are more negatives than positives at this point

      • CTbirdsguy

        If someone is going to, the majority of the time, be a “take the top off” deep ball guy, what percentage of snaps does he need to take to do so? If Torrey is a sub and comes in to run 9’s, it could be like how college teams have their backups and walk-ons come on to run deep and tire CB’s out…and then we might have a solid opportunity or two per game to get a long TD. But would this concept not work in the NFL?

        Because while Torrey does not look worthless like some may have presumed after last year, he doesn’t look better than Mack when it comes to getting open and moving the sticks. But then, is it way too early to demote a veteran like this for a rookie.

    • CTbirdsguy

      Imagine if by the time Darby returns to be CB1, Douglas has proven to be a viable starter….what would be the move then? Douglas CB2 & Mills slot? Douglas as CB3 with peace of mind?

      • xmbk

        Way too early to worry about that. Let’s just hope that’s the problem they face.

  • scratcherk

    lucky ass cowboys,

  • Insomniac

    Is it too early to say that I don’t think we should be scared of the Seahawks?

    • Dave

      Our defensive line would like to play them weekly.

      • Insomniac

        I want to say the same for their DL vs our OL but here they are tied with the Niners…

  • RC5000

    Bryant finally got offensive PI!

  • BobSmith77

    People often complain about the announcers Burkhardt and Davis were particularly. I’d fine with hearing neither again this season.

    • SteveH

      I thought they were fine. Listening to Aikman call a Cowboys game is like having a drill boring into my ear canal.

  • RC5000

    Greg Olsen broke his foot and we got Panthers in 4 weeks so there’s ahem a break.

  • BobSmith77

    Pats had a nobody running the ball (Gillislee who went for 18-69) but it was all Brady (30-39, 447 yards, 3 TDs)

    Maybe the Saints’ defense stinks and he was playing in a dome but damn made some great throws today.

    • anon

      Had Brady putting up Sam Bradford stats. Must be the defense

  • BobSmith77

    Thing that mystifies me the most about the Pats is how Chung was a solid starter there before, stunk here, and goes back to NE as even better & more productive player.

    • xeynon

      System/coaching. Kelly and Davis brought Chung here and asked him to do things he’s not good at. Belichick knows his limitations and schemes to minimize his weaknesses and emphasize his strengths. He’s still not great, though.

  • BobSmith77

    Carr is the player that has impressed me the most so far in the early going.

    Yeah he is home and it is the Jets but he is just surgically picking about that Jets’ defense. Did the same thing against the Titans too last week.

    If he isn’t recognized as the best QB and possibly player in the NFL by the end of the year, I’d be surprised. Really impressive to watch him.

    • Gary Barnes

      Yea, we had a chance to grab Crabtree as a FA when his value was low; now he, Carr and that offense are humming.

      The Oakland – KC battle for the AFC West is going to be fun to watch

    • Dave

      I agree Carr is a stud. But hold on with the Ravens praise…they played the Browns who had a rookie QB in their home stadium. To boot, they lost their starting OT for the rest of the year.

      • BobSmith77

        They have lost a ton of OT including 2 starters and 2 backups.

        Defense is going to surprise a lot of people this year as long as they stay healthy. Underrated group that is gong to surprise a lot of teams.

        Obviously not the 2001 defense but it does strike me as a ton that will win a lot of games if they can even score 20 or 21 points which is pretty tough today in the NFL.

  • SteveH

    Why the hell did Vance Joseph gift the Cowboys a timeout there? Especially after a gain of 7 on first, they were probably going to get another first down, all you did was save clock for them.

    It’s 21-10 but it feels like it could be 28-0 if not for a few dumb mistakes.

  • Dave
  • izzylangfan

    Wentz had a very bad interception – a deflected pass immediately after a deflected pass on the prior play. He also had a bad interception on a deflected pass last week. He also had two fumbles though none lost. Too many mistakes.

    • xeynon

      Tough to fault the QB 100% for an interception on a deflection that happens because the pocket is getting pushed back in his face.

  • Gary Barnes

    Good to see that “vaunted” Dallas defense getting shredded by the Broncos, lol

    • xeynon

      Dallas’ defense is paper mache. Marinelli is a good coach and gets the most out of them, but they are pretty deficient in talent.

  • Gary Barnes

    Redskins in a dogfight with Rams, 20-20 with roughly 5 mins left

  • Guy Media

    Seumalo should be at Center. Kelce was almost as Brutal as Sem today. That combo isn’t working. Bad drops from Smith. Vinny Curry, the kind of the almost, needs to be deactivated in favor of Means for week 4 if Curry doesn’t register some sacks vs. the Giants.

    Oh, and Watkins got toasted at least twice before he got hurt.

    All grousing aside, I’m feeling good about a win next week.

    • Gary Barnes

      I think Kelce has been fine these first two weeks. C is more important than OG especially with a young developing QB. Seumalo has to earn a bigger role not have it handed to him. Play much better at OG, make the case well and the move to C will eventually happen. If he continues to struggle, he may be replaced at OG and have an even harder road to stick here.

      I’d give Curry more time, he is close and played very hard today.

      Smith, Watkins and a win next week I agree with…

      • Guy Media

        But Curry is always “playing hard” without anything tangible to show for it.

        And I’d challenge you on Kelce being fine. I’m not seeing him blocking the run too well and he’s been beaten badly on a few screen pass “blocks” as well as not seeing blitzers on several occasions who ran right through the space he vacated to double team the guard’s man.

        • TXEaglesFan

          There was one play in the second half, pass play, Kelce pulled and ran to the right side like it was a draw, and the blitzer came through the hole he vacated. Sproles barely got a piece of LB but it broke up the play. Not sure who messed that up, but my vote is kelce.

          • Guy Media

            Sproles, on two occasions, was too passive in going forward to meet the blitzer.

        • Mr. Magee

          Kelce is flat out dreadful. How the coaching staff did not decide to make a change prior to the start of this season, I’ll never be able to tell you.

        • Ray888

          Game changer in my view when Curry has QB all wrapped up for huge momentum changing sack, only he doesn’t. Gives KC a route to victory. Soooo close.

    • xeynon

      My guess is the long-term plan (as in, 2018 and beyond) is to move on from Kelce and slide Seumalo over to C, which is his natural position, then plug in a new player at LG. Doesn’t help this season though. If Seumalo doesn’t improve markedly it’ll be Wis time.

      • BobSmith77

        It wouldn’t surprise me if Seumalo doesn’t get benched in even in 3 weeks if he continues to perform this poorly.

    • scratcherk

      Why do we think Seumalo would be much better at C?

      • Guy Media

        Because it is his natural position. Seth Joyner did a great job breaking it down post game on Comcast. I’d encourage you to check it out.

    • CTbirdsguy

      Weighing your take on the *combination* not working versus the natural aversion to greater overhaul, which does everyone think would get the OLine to perform better: replace Seumalo at RG with Wiz, or slide Seumalo to C and plug Wiz in at RG?

  • Guy Media

    Oh; and the guy who should be our kicker except for some bungling by Chip (Parkey) went 4/4 for Miami today.

    • anon

      Parkey has been cut by a couple of teams.

      • Guy Media

        Mistakenly. He was Godly here when he made the pro bowl.

  • Matt

    I always thought this was going to be a tough game. With 10 days off from a drubbing of the Patriots at home, the Chiefs had the advantage. This is a learning game.

    Also, its nice to see the Cowboys get drubbed by the Broncos.

    • Dave

      I’m not sweating today. A veteran team, a veteran coach, and a veteran QB, with a solid recent history of success while playing at home.

      • BobSmith77

        Yeah it was basically a bye week for Reid and he is 16-2 coming a bye and 3-1 in the playoffs.

        FiveThirtyEight ELO Ratings have the Chiefs rated as the best team in the NFL after Week 1 for what it is worth too.

  • xeynon

    Dak Prescott is averaging 4.3 YPA today.

    Just some context for those fretting about Wentz’s second half swoon. Young QBs will hit rough patches.

    • Dave

      He’ll be averaging 3.4 without Elliot. 35-10 Denver

    • SteveH

      Dak is junk. No run game means he’s captain checkdown. LB’s aren’t cheating up every play anymore.

    • A_T_G

      I really, really enjoyed Dak getting intercepted on a ball that bounces off uncovered Dez’ hands and instead of perusing, Dak watches with his hands on his hips.

      That is as good as it gets.

      • SteveH

        That was Zeke not Dak with his hands on his hips. Even better IMO.

        • A_T_G

          Oops, yep. Typo due to giddiness.

      • xeynon

        Yup, Dallas getting their asses handed to them is salvaging something from this Sunday.

  • SteveH

    Love to see Zeke pouting. I want the Broncos DL to troll him and do his stupid soup eating celebration.

    • Guy Media

      Somebody in prison should murder him with a sharpened version of that spoon.

  • SteveH

    C’mon Aqib…. gotta catch that, get daks pick numbers up.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Anyone know a good site where I can watch the replay of today’s game? Missed almost whole game. Finally back to football. F the cowboys. I sort of get Tommys frustration above, but losing by 1 TD to the Chiefs in Arrowhrad is better than I expected. OR was it not that close?

    • SteveH

      It was tied with 6 minutes left in the 4th, then we made a few critical errors in a row and that was that.

    • Guy Media

      No, but you really want to reconsider watching.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Uh oh. Why?

        • Guy Media

          It was a really really really frustrating game to watch.

          • A_T_G

            Oh, I disagree. We went blow for blow with a team presumed to be far superior. In the end, it got away from us. Even then, we never gave up.

          • Guy Media

            Oh; it blew alright.

    • A_T_G

      I think it will be here tomorrow:
      https://www.nflfullhd.com

      • Mr. Magee

        Wow, didn’t know that existed… Looks like it’s free?

        • A_T_G

          I found it from someone on here last week. I watched the part of game 1 that I missed for free on Monday.

    • Tdoteaglefan

      I feel pretty confident that NFL network will replay it as one of the “games of the week”

  • SteveH

    Prescott reminds me so much of Sam Bradford, only more mobile.

    • scratcherk

      also much worse pure passer

      • A_T_G

        And younger, less experienced, lacking the pedigree, injury free, and never languish on an untalented team.

        Other than that, though…

    • Ankerstjernen

      Bradford throws one of the most perfect balls you have ever seen. His footwork, throwing motion, release is completely textbook, and he makes it look easy. He might be one of the most natural passers of the football there ever was.

      Dak is literally none of those things. There is no comparison.

  • A_T_G

    I want the Eagles to be good enough to do this to the Cowboys.

  • Guy Media

    So what’s everybody’s cutoff date for Doug and calling the plays? I’m really ready to see Reich get a chance.

    • Mr. Magee

      Cutoff date was end of last season… Howie and Jeffrie didn’t get the memo

  • SteveH

    Dink, dunk, dink dunk dink dunk. I always wanted to see what Dak looks like without his run game helping him and I’m loving what I’m seeing.

    • xeynon

      Yup. Even last year, I never looked at Dak and thought “that guy scares me”. I think he’s fine, and could be a solid NFL starter for years, but if he’s the Cowboys’ starting QB for the next 10 years I’ll be happy, because to me he looks like one of those guys who will be too good to get rid of but not good enough to win it all with unless everything else goes perfectly.

      • SteveH

        Yeah, I hope they sign him to a big money extension. I want that guy as the Cowboys QB for a long time.

  • SteveH

    Meanwhile, what the fuck was that Denver?

  • Ankerstjernen

    Not to change the subject, but I am watching the Dallas game right now, and its extremely satisfying. Finally we see the Dak that I always believed they had in him. When the team falls behind and he is asked to carry the offense and make above average throws with anticipation into tight windows, he completely falls apart. The difference between him and Wentz tonight is lightyears, just in terms of ability and obvious talent. And leadership, if you will. He does not look like a player leading the way for his team, like Wentz does. Like I said, extremely satisfying. Particularly the shots of Jerrah in the booth looking like someone botched his latest facelift. I firmly believe we are going to be quite happy with Dak in Dallas for the next ten years.

    • SteveH

      We should start a philadelphia Eagles social media campaign pushing for Dak to sign a big extension in Dallas. Troll the shit out of him and the organization.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Still think they shoulda drafted Manziel when they had the chance.

      • Ankerstjernen

        What a wonderful idea. I’m in.

    • Guy Media

      I’m down with the subject change and I agree with you.

      But I’m still handing out some well deserved recriminations from today’s loss.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        What percentage of those go to the OL?

        • Guy Media

          1.75. Seumalo for 1, Kelce for .75.

  • SteveH

    How the fuck is Witten beating you deep, the fuck Denver.

    • Guy Media

      Ha; he’s the one Cowboy for whom I have respect out of their skill guys.

      • SteveH

        Yeah but he’s old and slow, HOW are you letting him beat you deep??

        • Guy Media

          Old man tricks. And how is LJ Smith doing today?

          • SteveH

            Hopefully reliving his super bowl fumble over and over in some dive bar.

          • Guy Media

            Dropping his beer while in there.

  • SteveH

    You know what, I’m happy Dallas is getting dumpstered, but the Broncos have fucked up a whole lot today and honestly it shouldn’t even be this close. Between the fumble, the interceptions, a missed field goal, Vance Joseph inexplicably gifting Dallas that TO at the end of the half, this shit should be like 45-3 right now.

  • scratcherk

    Dak vs Wentz. No comparison. Dak can make throws he should make. Wentz makes wow throws. Dak is not carrying any team on his back. Wentz can.

    • A_T_G

      Dak can manage a dominant team and punish teams for overplaying the run. Wentz can carry a team without a running game and manufacture offense from nothing.

      • xeynon

        I think you can win a Super Bowl with Dak, but only if you have a dominant defense and running game. With a QB like Wentz there is more margin for error because he can do more to make up for deficiencies elsewhere on the roster.

        • Guy Media

          I think you’re a bad human being for saying “Super Bowl” and “Dak” in the same sentence without including “can’t win.”

  • SteveH

    Nice to see Talib upset over the TD. He gets it.

    • Guy Media

      His work in the Super Bowl two years ago was amazing.

  • SteveH

    Broncos no killer instinct here. Ruining my fun. Booooo.

  • SteveH

    Oh man Talib drops another pick. Wentz has every tipped pass picked off, Dak can’t even get picked off throwing it right to the opposing CBs.

    • Guy Media

      Dak had 12.4 million INTs dropped over the last 19 games.

      • A_T_G

        That’s not right. Dak hasn’t played 19 games.

        • Guy Media

          16+1 playoff + 2 this year.

          • A_T_G

            I forgot their one and done, understandably.

          • Guy Media

            Aaron Rodgers hasn’t!

        • SteveH

          I haven’t checked the stats yet but I don’t think he has 12.4 million pass attempts either.

          • Guy Media

            A lot of those handoffs should have been picked as well.

        • A Roy

          playoff vs GB. 🙂

      • SteveH

        It kills me how unjust this sport is sometimes. He’s throw it RIGHT TO Talib twice and he dropped both of them.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Did Jerruh go bankrupt? I thought cowboy penalty misses were all pre-paid.

    • Guy Media

      He’s busy C-blocking Goodell’s extension.

  • RC5000

    Poor Witten fantasy owners. missed TD catch now, where’d that come from?…

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Love Garrett the Cowboys coach. Stupid call. The play there was to take the 3 and onside kick. Thank you Jason.

    • BobSmith77

      As much grief as Pederson gets here in Philly, Garrett gets that and then some in Dallas.

  • Guy Media

    If Dak is still in the game at this point, Denver needs to injure him as punishment for Dallas not taking their beating quietly.

  • SteveH

    Dak has been racking up garbage time yards for a whole half. Can’t believe he’s going to escape this game with his stats intact.

    • Guy Media

      He needs to be cheap shotted as punishment.

    • xeynon

      If Dak displaces Matthew Stafford as the greatest garbage time QB of all time, I’ll take that.

      • Guy Media

        I’d rather he become the next Mark Sanchez.

        • CrackSammich

          Nah. Sanchez didn’t cost the Jets enough money. Stafford is still bleeding them.

      • SteveH

        I’d rather Talib held onto those 2 picks. Lazy thinkers will always use stats as evidence, and I’d rather they didn’t have that option to defend him.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Let him. Let the illusion be reality.

  • SteveH

    Haha Talib finally hangs onto it. Fuck you Dak you trashy POS.

  • BobSmith77

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/who-hates-the-patriots-the-most/

    Cowboys are easily the most-hated team in the US. I did like the nugget in the article that more than 50% of fans in Washington and Philadelphia had them in their Top 3 Least Favorite team.

    Interesting the Eagles weren’t in the Top 10 most hated/most liked teams. Probably due to part to them not having a very well known player/coach on the team and not having won much especially in the playoffs.

    • ChoTime

      Philly fans highly overestimate any kind of antipathy towards them, it seems. I think people really just don’t care.

      • xeynon

        Having lived in two other NFC East markets (New York and Washington), I can say that they’re definitely hated in those places. I think Bob is right though, they haven’t won enough or had enough highly controversial/divisive players to have a national hatedom.

        • BobSmith77

          Yeah the Eagles just don’t have a player single who is a scumbag and non-divisional rivals are going to hate on the Eagles because of Pederson or Lurie? No way.

  • xeynon

    We went on the road and lost a hard-fought game to one of the two or three best teams in the AFC.

    Dallas went on the road and got their butts kicked by a team that will likely contend for a wild card at best.

    I feel better about this Sunday’s results already.

    • Will Ft. The Roots

      I think the Broncos are better than you give them credit

      • xeynon

        I think they’re good, but 10-6 or 11-5 good, not 13-3 good. They’re not in the league of the Chiefs, Patriots, or Steelers IMO.

        • Will Ft. The Roots

          I think they are but its early in the season. Id throw the Raiders in there too

          • xeynon

            Their defense is excellent but Siemien is not even a top 20 QB, and the rest of their offensive talent is “meh”.

            I think they’re only the 3rd best team in that division and probably 5th or 6th in the conference. But as you say, it is early.

          • Dave

            Siemien was throwing passes against Nolan Carroll today, he should have thrown 10 TDs instead of 4.

    • Insomniac

      The Broncos look kinda legit. They still have the best secondary in the league by far.

      • xeynon

        I’m not impressed by their offense. Great defense can take you only so far.

    • Tumtum

      There is no clear stand out in the East right now, that much is for sure at this point.

  • TO BLACKS

    Eagles have a shitty line and a fat ugly SHITTY pavement ape RB in Blount.

  • TO BLACKS

    Blount looks like a FAT APE

    • bobeph

      your mom was from africa

    • wee2424

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      • bobeph

        trump is great, you’re an hillary lovin queeah

      • TO BLACKS

        If your shit ain’t right, then take a Pepto for it.

        • bobeph

          your mom is your dad

      • xeynon

        This thread appears as nothing but a series of “This user is blocked.” messages to me and let me tell you it is wonderful.

        Life is too short to bother doing many things, and engaging with internet trolls is one of them.

        • Tumtum

          It’s funny how the blocked guys on my feed are always in the same conversation… hmmm why could that possibly be? I’ll give you a hint. Same guy.

        • wee2424

          I agree, but the highly racist comment that was made bothered me too much to let it go. My fault for feeding in, but it was highly wrong.

  • Donald Kalinowski

    I think Rodgers is the most talented QB of all time.

    • Guy Media

      He’s certainly in the mix.

    • xeynon

      He belongs in the conversation, but as far as sheer physical talent I think there’s a strong case for taking Vick, Cunningham, or Steve Young over him.

      • Donald Kalinowski

        I can’t think of any QB that can throw accurate passes on the run as he can. It’s like he puts up the Mike Vick unstoppable games on a consistent basis.

      • Dave

        Steve Young was a horrible QB in Tampa Bay. Once he replaced Montana in San Fran with a stacked team, GOAT WR, and no salary cap, he was great. No team was ever built around him, he was merely a piece of the puzzle.

        • xeynon

          He was a tremendously accurate passer with a strong arm and athletic enough that he could’ve played RB in the NFL. He didn’t excel in Tampa Bay but that was a horrible team. I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

          • Dave

            Imagine if Dak had a top 3 defense to go along with that OL, WRs, and Zeke, last year and this year…that’s the situation that Young stepped into during the 1992 season, his first starting for the Niners (at 31 years old). The salary cap was not initiated until 1994. He won his first MVP playing on an all-star team.

          • xeynon

            I don’t have to imagine it. I’m old enough to have seen those 49ers teams firsthand. And while they were talented, they were nowhere near as talented as you are implying. Jerry Rice is better than anybody in this current Cowboys receiving corps (obviously), but I would take this Cowboys OL over that 49ers’ line, Jason Witten (a top 5 all-time TE) over Brent Jones (who was good but not close to that level), and Zeke over Ricky Watters.

            Steve Young was a great, great player. He didn’t have a long peak but he played the position as well as it’s possible to play it during it. And like I said, he was tremendously physically talented, and that’s all we’re really talking about here – the most physically gifted QBs.

          • Dave

            You’re giving the 2017 Cowboys way too much credit and short-changing how much easier it is for an offense when they also have a top defense.

  • Guy Media

    So the best team in the NFC is……………………….

    • xeynon

      …tbd. There is no clearly elite NFC team at this point. Every contender has obvious and serious flaws (Dallas defense, Seattle O-line, Green Bay running game and defense, etc.). I guess you could make a case for the Falcons but I continue to believe they’re going to suffer from a Super Bowl hangover this season.

  • TO BLACKS

    THE ONLY PLACE THAT FAT APE BLOUNT SHOULD BE IS A ZOO EATING A BANANA.

    • Flyin

      I’m in the process of reporting you to dhs.gov and fbi.tips.gov regarding hate and racism . If you post again, I will make certain you are investigated. Your online tracking is established and recorded.

      • TO BLACKS

        FUCK YOU AGAIN

    • Flyin

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      • TO BLACKS

        FUCK YOU.

  • SteveH

    The Niners can’t seriously be considering sticking with Brian Hoyer this year can they? Just bring back Kaep already.

    Looking forward, the Cards and the Panthers are not scary opponents this year. I think we should be favored in every game except maybe the Broncos game up until the bye.

    • Guy Media

      Broncos game is here, we’ll be favored. I don’t like us at Carolina. Arizona isn’t good at all.

    • Dave

      Kaep burned that bridge when he opted out of his contract with the Niners. He left by choice and I can’t see a situation where the owner would accept him back.

      • SteveH

        The situation is called Brian Hoyer. That calls for desperate measures.

  • BobSmith77

    Eagles still won TOP of possession today (30:49-29:11) although not by the margin they did last week or typically did last season.

    Last week it was 34:16-25:44 and it seemed to show up in the 4th qtr this week.

    Eagles were also just 2-5 in the red zone today; Chiefs were 2-3 including those 2 TDs in the 4th qtr.

  • Greg Tulino

    Did anyone hear any report or update on Mcleod and Watkins injuries? Do they appear severe?

    • Mr. Magee

      Sounds like hamstring injuries, which could last also season…

  • nopain23

    hunt is killing it but what is up with mcaffrey. he was supposed to be secret weapon 007, unstoppable force….no???

    • Guy Media

      He can’t catch passes that are consistently thrown in a poor manner.

    • anon

      Cam did practice at all so no chemistry, plus Cam likes running + McCaffrey doesn’t like NFL physicality. I have him in two leagues – dissapointed

  • BobSmith77

    Even Marcus Hayes is optimistic about this performance given all things considered and said this might be the best Eagles’ DL since the Gang Green days.

    Almost always is a ‘Debbie Downer.’

  • CrackSammich

    Surely this halftime lead is insurmountable. I see no way the Falcons could blow it!

    • SteveH

      How about now lol.

  • Sean Stott

    Honestly not a bad game at all today. It sucks they lost, but a few lucky things didn’t go that way and that snowballed during the 4th quarter.

  • SteveH

    I see the Green Bay Packers are already in midseason form with injuries, both starting tackles and jordy nelson out.

  • SteveH

    I love that only the packers draft so shittily that their lead running back is their 6th wide receiver, and it’s by choice not by injury.

  • truehaynes

    damn the raiders look good

  • BobSmith77

    One thing I would like to see more of:

    – More blitzing from Kendricks and using him at nickel in times even if he is a pass rushing decoy. He has been that impressive since the start of training camp.

  • SteveH

    The Packers are hilariously snakebitten with injuries. Both tackles, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Mike Daniels now out.