More on the Roster

Posted: September 3rd, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 112 Comments »

Howard Eskin asked Howie Roseman if the roster is the 53 best players. Eskin was trying to trap Roseman into a direct answer that I’m sure would have led to some follow-up questions. Anyone who watched the preseason knows Bryce Treggs outplayed Shelton Gibson. Byron Marshall outplayed Donnel Pumphrey. Roseman gave a good “safe” answer.

“I think it’s the 53 best players for the Philadelphia Eagles organization.”

Roseman didn’t try to sell the idea that Gibson and Pumphrey earned spots with their play this summer. He made the point that the Eagles felt strongly about those players after scouting them and were excited to draft them. Rather than giving up on the players after some struggles as rookies, the Eagles are going to keep the players and try to develop them.

I have no problem with the team doing this. You can’t keep too many players like this, but you can keep a couple of them.

As to Eskin’s point about keeping the best 53 players, that is a bogus argument to try and make. Think back a year ago. Matt Tobin was clearly a better player than Halapoulivaati Vaitai heading into the 2016 season. Vaitai practiced and studied in the classroom sessions. He eventually got on the field and struggled at first. The more he played, the better he got. By the end of the year Vaitai was clearly better than Tobin.

The point isn’t to assemble the best 53 players for the season opener. You’re trying to build a roster for that game, the whole 2017 season and the near future. You have to balance all of that as you see where players are now and where they can be in two months or in a year.

Some people see the Eagles keeping Pumphrey and Gibson as the team simply being too embarrassed to admit they made draft mistakes. Personnel guys are human beings and there is no doubt they don’t like to admit when they’re wrong. I just don’t think that’s a big factor. There are only 53 players on a roster. NFL roster spots are a precious commodity. You aren’t going to hurt the quality of your team simply to protect your ego.

You have to go back to Roseman’s point about all the time and effort the Eagles spent to research and grade these players for the draft. They didn’t randomly choose those guys. The team really believed in them and wanted them to be part of the Eagles future. You don’t throw that hope away based on some rookie struggles as long as the players are doing their part off the field.

You want the players to be working hard in the weight room and the classroom. You want them to have good rapport with their position coaches. You want them to be doing whatever extra work before/after practice they can. If the player acknowledges his issues and shows you he’s doing everything he can to get better, why wouldn’t you want to be patient?

There are times when a player doesn’t play well and makes that worse by also not doing the right things off the field. Those are the guys you move on from. The whole point in keeping players is that you believe they can improve and contribute to your team in the future.

The Eagles still believe in Gibson and Pumphrey. Time will tell if that is smart or not.


The team went light at OL. Howie Roseman explained that this was unusual for the team based on what they’d done in the past, but they feel strongly about the eight players they did keep. He also said the team will balance out the numbers by keeping several O-linemen on the practice squad.

The Eagles had seven OL active on gamedays last year. There were the five starters, and Wiz and an OT (usually Tobin or Big V). That’s it. OL don’t do much on STs so you aren’t going to have many active.

Apparently more and more teams are going with eight OL on the roster. If this is a new trend, we’ll just have to adjust for that when making future roster predictions.


Let’s talk about the practice squad. Here would be my guess.

OT Dillon Gordon
OC Aaron Neary
OG Darrell Greene
WR Bryce Treggs
WR Greg Ward
LB Nate Gerry
CB C. J. Smith
RB Byron Marshall

QB – ?
TE – ?

The Eagles must add a QB, if just to help in practice. They’ll be scouring the waiver wire.

As for Billy Brown, I don’t know what happened there. He showed more than enough on the field to make the roster. This could have been a numbers crunch or it is possible there is another factor. Was he doing everything he needed off the field? Were there missed assignments and mental errors in the games? If he ran the wrong route, it would be hard for most people to know that.

If the Eagles don’t bring him back (and he’s not claimed), that will tell you there was some issue we just don’t know about.

I could also see the Eagles adding a Safety. They might want to add a young player at that spot.

I don’t feel strongly about Marshall. I love the way he goes all out in the summer, but you do wonder about him in the regular season. What is his ceiling? Ideally I’d love the Eagles to find another RB for the roster, cut Clement and put him on the PS. Marshall is the kind of guy you want to cheer for, but the goal is to find the best players, not the hardest working guys and overachievers.


112 Comments on “More on the Roster”

  1. 1 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:40 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    It’s possible Brown’s just not that good.

    Though I’ve given Roseman a hard time about this draft, he did some amazing work turning around the CB corps.

    Quick question for the gallery: who’s our first waiver claim?

  2. 2 Insomniac said at 5:22 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I’d like to think it’ll be Matt Jones. If we’re going to follow the recent trends of what Howie has been doing then Jones meets almost all qualifications.

    Jones is 24 (still young), could be had for cheap (if he gets to us), and he’s talented to some degree. Jones will be an upgrade to Clements and could be a viable backup to Blount if he’s not performing as a big RB.

  3. 3 Guy Media said at 7:26 AM on September 3rd, 2017:


  4. 4 Guy Media said at 7:26 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    That’s a great question. I hope it’s a RB4 type.

  5. 5 D3FB said at 10:07 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Guys I would put a claim on:

    Dorian Johnson G
    Michael Schofield T/G
    John Timu LB
    Sam Rogers FB
    Jeremy McNichols RB
    Kyle Kalis G

  6. 6 Sb2bowl said at 10:44 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Johnson, Schofield and McNichols are on my list. Sam Lynch and Tommy were discussing Clemmings as well on Twitter.

    Still confused about Clement, but if we are keeping Pump inactive on game days, we may need to dress 4 Rb’s for the game.

  7. 7 D3FB said at 10:47 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I love Clemmings. I think he’s just really broken from a physchologival standpoint

  8. 8 Sb2bowl said at 12:19 PM on September 3rd, 2017:


  9. 9 D3FB said at 5:35 PM on September 3rd, 2017:


  10. 10 RC5000 said at 1:41 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    QB possibility? They’re adding Osweiler to Siemian & Lynch so he’d have a better opportunity on our practice squad.

    Here’s what Broncos president of football operations/general manager John Elway said a little bit ago about releasing quarterback Kyle Sloter: “I will say this Kyle Sloter did a hell of job in the preseason, had a hell of a camp, as I told him today when I talked to him, I said ‘you don’t know this, but I’m telling you, coming from experience, going from the preseason to the regular season is a big jump.’ We didn’t want to put him in that situation. Having been through that before and not having much success doing it myself my rookie year, we told Kyle we were going to release him.” Elway added they could bring Sloter back on practice squad.

    He has a bit of a weird release and he’s probably a JAG but we need someone on the PS if not the roster.

  11. 11 Guy Media said at 7:25 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I’d take Sloter on the practice squad in a second.

  12. 12 A_T_G said at 8:45 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Wait, Elway said they are cutting him because the jump from preseason to regular season is a lot and they don’t want to be mean to the kid? That’s a new one.

  13. 13 mheil said at 5:51 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    if they don’t add Brown, or even if they do, Zaruba is a possibility, as is Salako, if Gordon is claimed and McAlister once he recovers from his injury.

  14. 14 Guy Media said at 7:24 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    “Some people see the Eagles keeping Pumphrey and Gibson as the team simply being too embarrassed to admit they made draft mistakes.”

    The cut bait from draft mistake Nate Gerry, so I’d disagree with “some people” on that.

  15. 15 Fufina said at 7:49 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Think they are just gambling that with an injury they can sneak him onto the practice squad safely. If a team tries to sign him when he is healthy in 3-4 weeks time, that is when the Eagles will have to make a decision to let him walk or to sign him to their active roster.

    Pump looked impressive in OTA’s to all accounts so i wonder if he is carrying a slight injury that has nagged him most of training camp, and i wonder if the Eagles take that into account.

    Gibson was always a project, he route running and hands were not NFL quality so he was drafted with the knowledge he wasn’t going to be a useful 2017 player, and that they were going to have to invest time in him.

    My only problem with the roster is keeping Clement – he is just a guy, and i think there were better OL who could of been more usefully kept because of that.

  16. 16 Guy Media said at 7:53 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I’d buy all of that for a dollar.

  17. 17 sonofdman said at 1:00 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I agree with everything you wrote!

  18. 18 Guy Media said at 8:05 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    “Howard Eskin asked Howie Roseman if the roster is the 53 best players. Eskin was trying to trap Roseman into a direct answer”

    Excellent question by Eskin and Roseman answered it like a pro. As opposed to when Eskin called out Matt Tampax for struggling with making the right trades / callups with the Phillies roster and having the GM mutter under his breath that “that’s ridiculous.”

  19. 19 tag1555 said at 9:03 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Eh, it seems like the pretty standard Kabuki dance where the reporter asks a loaded question and the GM dodges. Not really informative for us either way.

  20. 20 D3FB said at 9:47 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Let’s all just be glad it was Howie answering and not Doug or we would’ve had 4 days of “Doug says they don’t keep the best players”

  21. 21 BobSmith77 said at 11:16 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Pederson wasn’t even in the press conference room and said very little the day before about the final 53-man roster.

    Doubt Pederson has any say in the 53-man roster.

  22. 22 Guy Media said at 11:41 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Doug’s press conference answers crack me up. A lot. He gives out WAY too much info, but I have to watch when he talks.

  23. 23 Mr. Magee said at 5:33 PM on September 4th, 2017:

    Plus it’s Eskin being Eskin… I’m sure most front office guys are internally rolling their eyes every time he opens his mouth

  24. 24 xmbk said at 8:29 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Remember when fans were upset that Hicks was drafted when someone like TJ Clemmings was still available? It’s easy to criticize, but teams have a lot more info. Now, about Pumphrey… 😉

  25. 25 Guy Media said at 8:42 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    guilty. I still insist we could have gotten Hicks later, but that’s immaterial to him being a far better player than Clemmings at this point.

  26. 26 Fufina said at 10:17 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Cincinnati beat writers said that they would have taken Hicks with the pick after the Eagles so it seems pretty unlikely that he would have been available later.

  27. 27 Guy Media said at 11:40 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I’ll contend that was misinformation to throw people off of the fact they wanted Dawson to fall to their comp pick. He did.

  28. 28 John Luck Pickerd said at 12:05 PM on September 4th, 2017:

    Hicks is easily my personal favorite Eagles defender.

  29. 29 xmbk said at 7:40 PM on September 4th, 2017:

    Jenkins is fun to root for, too. Thinking Barnett may quickly turn out that way as well. High motor + production = best player profile.

  30. 30 or____ said at 8:50 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I wonder if people think the cheatriots are crazy for keeping only 8 ol, 6wrs, and 5 rbs? Doubt it.

    Chiefs have 8 ol too. Well then again both teams missed the playoffs last year so… Oh wait

  31. 31 Guy Media said at 8:52 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I think anybody who only keeps 8 lineman is crazy. But I wouldn’t single the Eagles out for abuse as that’s what seems to be taking place in many places.

  32. 32 or____ said at 9:09 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Perhaps, but most teams typically only keep 7 active on gamedays…. So what is the point of keeping 3 interior ol when you can have some on ps? Whats the point of having a Gordon or Salako on the 53 if we are basically screwed if they had to play meaningful time anyway?

    Not saying i thought of this in advance at all, but there is some roster economic logic to it if you think about it.

  33. 33 Fufina said at 10:16 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    You dress 7 on game day, so having 8 on the roster to start the season is fine, as long as you feel confident you can get a couple of OL you like stashed on your practice squad. The chances of you needing to play a 9th OL during the season is pretty damn low.

    Also going lighter on OL on your active roster means its easier to persuade guys to sign on the practice squad as you are 1 injury away from being signed to the active roster.

  34. 34 daveH said at 9:39 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Put Agholar on the list, year 3

  35. 35 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 9:53 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Waiver claims due at noon EST. Stay tuned. I bet we see some changes at RB and S.

  36. 36 Fufina said at 10:11 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Not sure i can see any changes at Safety. Maragos and Watkins are core special teamers, and Watkins offers some gameday versatility being able to play all the different DB positions if a couple of guys get injured at the same position.

    Jenkins are McLeod one of the best sets of starting safeties in the league and Graham is solid vet backup with scheme knowledge who can do a job if there is an injury to one of the starters. Medium term we need to draft a replacement to Jenkins, but i doubt we will find that guy in roster cuts, a mid round pick next year is a lot more likely to find a solution.

  37. 37 Ray888 said at 10:43 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Agree on 53. Maybe Sullivan finds a place on PS.

  38. 38 DigDoug said at 3:20 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I’m thinking that Mills and possibly Douglas are slated for safety at some point. Something will change before next April. There’s no way in Hell they take a 18+ million cap hit for a pair of safeties.

  39. 39 unhinged said at 10:54 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    DP likes power runners and Pats cut Brandon Bolden. I’d prefer him to Matt Jones.

  40. 40 Gary Barnes said at 11:21 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Eskin is a jackass and Roseman a weasel; their question and answer represent unfortunately the current reality of media vs organization state of affairs.

    Eskin tries to act tough, but he is a fraud and everything that is wrong with the modern media. He thinks HE is the story and tries to create drama constantly.

    Roseman is a slippery snake who knows how to handle the media and say absolutely nothing while his lips keeps moving. He evades, deflects and distracts better than most politicians.

    We’ll have to see if Roseman & Co. are right or wrong on their roster choices just like we will on their draft picks, their coaching hires and all the rest. Hopefully, when the evidence is in, Lurie will put the organization’s interests first and not play favorites or make further excuses for a lack of accountability and progress toward finally winning the SB we all want before we die.

  41. 41 Guy Media said at 11:47 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Just out of curiosity, what was your preferred post Chip front office / head coach combo?

    I’m good with Howie, but preferred Hue Jackson to Pederson. Granted I’m seeing we got a way better assistant coaching group with Pederson that we would have with Jackson.

  42. 42 Gary Barnes said at 12:24 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I have reconciled with Roseman due to his mostly good performance the last two seasons, but I still believe Lurie played favorites and made excuses for Roseman’s past failures rather than undergoing a full and open process for identifying the best structure, strategies and process for building his football operations.

    Roseman was integral in poor drafts/personnel moves in the late Reid era and hiring Chip along with the mixed drafts in 2013-14 before Chip took over.

    Roseman is also a sharp elbowed operator who has played roles in getting Banner, Reid and Chip ejected so he could get promoted. The press conference to make Roseman GM after Reid left was embarrassing as Lurie bent over backward to blame shift everything to Reid while giving Roseman credit for the 2012 draft and other bright spots.

    It was equally embarrassing when Chip was given full authority for the 2015 season yet Roseman was retained and then again pathetic when Roseman was given back the reins after actively undermining Chip and with no outside search for management talent.

    I want Lurie to fully invest in understanding how winning organizations operate and how to build an effective chain of command and front office team.

    My structure of choice would be a proven President of Football Operations who has won before, knows the NFL and has connections throughout the league – a person of strong reputation and integrity. That person would be given full authority over football operations and Lurie and the business folks (Smolenski etc.) would stay completely out. That person would hire a proven GM and together they would hire the coaches, scouts, analysts etc. needed to complete the team.

    The accountability chain and roles would be crystal clear if things do not go right. Lurie would have a clear reporting structure which should make it easier to manage and evaluate. It would also be clear to the fans who really is in charge and making the decisions instead of the bullshit “teamwork” crap Lurie has used with Roseman & Co. There has to be a person with final say who has access to all the relevant information and can make informed decisions.

  43. 43 Mr. Magee said at 5:54 PM on September 4th, 2017:

    I love the managment angle because though I have been a football fan for too many decades, I know a lot more about management than I do football Xs & Os. The Roseman story is fascinating because there are many unpredictable twists and turns, and just as many ups and downs. You probably would not agree, but I would argue that at this point it looks like HR is one of Lurie’s better hires, and his “patience” with him has paid off in many ways.

    The thing that most people don’t appreciate is that Lurie, like many (but certainly not all) NFL owners, acts as not just Chairman/Owner but also CEO. HE is the one with final say, he is the one responsible for the management structure, and his decision making – for better or worse – is imprinted all over the organization and its results. That’s his perogative, of course, but it bugs me that the media and fan base do not hold him accountable in this regard; instead, he is allowed to hide behind the “collaboration” facade that you reference. Truly amazing how long this has persisted.

  44. 44 BobSmith77 said at 11:59 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    It was a legit ‘gotcha’ question and one I expect the media to ask.

    It has gotten popular to dump on Eskin and he has been surpassed a bit given his age & shifting dynamics of sports reporting.

    Eskin broke a lot of major stories over the years including the Eagles possibly relocating to Phoenix.

    He is still an old-school reporter who looks to have a legit source before reporting on something too even if he has drifted more towards the standard of Tweeting whatever second-hand innuendo/BS that is now unfortunately more of the standard.

  45. 45 Gary Barnes said at 12:33 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Sorry, disagree. Eskin has been a narcissistic fraud for decades. He and the blowhard Cataldi have poisoned minds and manipulated the sports public for their own enrichment almost my entire lifetime. Good old school reporters like Bill Lyon, Ray Didinger, Bill Campbell, Frank Dolson etc. were or are the real deal compared to charlatans like Eskin.

  46. 46 Ray888 said at 4:41 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Actually, not just decades but in reality centuries (as in 2).

  47. 47 RC5000 said at 1:11 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    What matters to me most is Roseman and Douglas get it right.
    Most GMs in all sports usually don’t say anything but have to talk. .

    Sam Hinkie was as tight lipped as it gets and I’ll take him in a heartbeat.

  48. 48 ChoTime said at 1:15 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Really? You want the Eagles to be the worst team in football for several years running and end up with nothing?

  49. 49 Gary Barnes said at 1:25 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Nearly the entire bright future of the 76ers is due to Hinkie’s vision and the execution of that vision.

    The reality is the NBA pressured the 76ers ownership to rein in or dump Hinkie since he had exposed the dirty and fraudulent nature of the league and endangered their money making focus.

    Unfortunately, Josh Harris & Co. caved into that pressure to protect their own interests and showed clearly that marketing and PR are more important concerns than developing a championship basketball team under the corrupt NBA system.

  50. 50 ChoTime said at 6:51 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Let’s have this discussion once the bright future comes.

  51. 51 Gary Barnes said at 8:57 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    It started last season and should take another step this coming season. Unfortunately, now the Colangelos are in charge and their track record is mixed

  52. 52 ChoTime said at 8:20 PM on September 4th, 2017:

    Hinkie fans always have a built-in excuse, did you notice that? It’s “the most logical way,” it’s “next year… or two… or three,” and now it’s the Colangelos are going to screw it up.”

  53. 53 Gary Barnes said at 1:18 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Agreed. I’m fine with a GM or HC that says nothing. I was fine with Reid and love Belicek and Hinkie’s press conferences etc.

    The part I dislike is when they try to blow sunshine up our collective asses, blame shift to cover themselves or refuse to adapt/adjust their approaches.

  54. 54 BobSmith77 said at 11:33 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Don’t see it as a direct ego issue on why they won’t cut players they just drafted but it does a role in their player evaluation.

    Roseman even admitted as much indirectly when he talked about Pumphrey acknowledging the Eagles’ evaluation of his college game tape was what mattered.

    I just think he is full of standard GM BS when they drafted Pumphrey initially and had him as a mid-round pick on their draft board.

    I bet they thought one of the more talented RBs would drop to them. They seemed to really like McCaffrey but his draft stock rose and he got picked #8. It would have required a lot to move up from #14 to #8.

    In the 2nd round, Cook dropped but the Vikings swooped in and traded their No. 48 pick and a fouth-round selection (No. 128) to the Cincinnati Bengals for the right to take Cook at No. 41.

    This is the guy I bet the Eagles wanted and they weren’t able to get him. Ironically enough they traded up to get Pumphrey in the 4th round instead. Cook has looked great this spring and already looks like he is going to take the starting job from Murray very soon.

    This is the move I have a feeling that is going to haunt the Eagles all year and for the next few years. This offense with Cook this year, Blount as a short yardage specialist/change of pace back, Smallwood as the 3rd RB, and Sproles would be a very nice group of RB.

  55. 55 RC5000 said at 1:06 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    That a solid analysis but most of this was expected long ago right? The thing is we already knew all this back at draft time. We knew McCaffrey and Cook were expected to look great and that we didn’t get a top back.

    We knew Pumphrey wasn’t the answer as a top starting back. Pumphrey has been disappointing not because he was expected to be great but that he hasn’t come close to being a good to great change of pace or role playing back. He’s looked like a solid receiving back.

    We knew Clement would probably be solid but not special.

    Smallwood was actually surprisingly bette rin camp than most expected, right? His health is a question.

    What wasn’t expected was Pump never got going at all running the ball really.

    And the jury is way out on whether I’d rather have Barnett, Sidney Jones than McCaffrey or Cook.

    I personally wouldn’t trade Barnett for McCaffrey or Jones for Cook today to be honest but it’s still unknown.

  56. 56 Someguy77 said at 1:30 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    It is a bit but Pumphrey sucked in camp and Smallwood didn’t grab the job either forcing them to keep Clement as well.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Roseman has been working hard to trade for a RB bit just won’t give up much at this point either.

    Mathews for all his issues was solid here when he was healthy. They don’t have that right now.

  57. 57 Someguy77 said at 1:34 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Surprised how bullish some of the projections are on Cook. I have seen projections as much as 1600 combined rushing/passing yards this year as Captain Checkdown throws to him a lot.

  58. 58 Guy Media said at 11:44 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    So as of right now, the 7 inactive guys should* be

    – Clement
    – Pump
    – Watkins
    – Curry
    – Destiny
    – Warmack
    – Douglas

    *F Vinny Curry, Means deserves the snaps

  59. 59 unhinged said at 11:48 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Douglas? You may have not have liked the pick from the start, but writing him off seems a tad impatient.

  60. 60 Guy Media said at 11:50 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    No, I like Douglas a lot. I just think we only keep 4 CBs active and Douglas being a rookie I don’t want to stress him week 1. I’d rather let the vets fails before I go to the rook.

  61. 61 or____ said at 11:55 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I doubt they keep 6 wr active. So i say, your emotions aside, Gibson inactive and swap Curry and Means. Probably Watkins active.

  62. 62 Dave said at 12:26 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    It’s my understanding that Means is now and integral part of special teams.

  63. 63 or____ said at 12:38 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Interesting. I didn’t hear that. But i believe the same can be said of Watkins

  64. 64 A_T_G said at 12:12 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I can feel Dave Fipp glaring at you right now.

  65. 65 xmbk said at 12:56 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I’ll go Clement, Pump, Johnson (unless he’s useful on ST), Gibson, Warmack, Destiny or Qualls, Douglas or McDougle. Means, Watkins and the LB are all active to keep Fipp from giving Pederson “The Stare”.

  66. 66 BobSmith77 said at 11:47 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    As for Wentz, I drafted him in my fantasy league in with a very late round pick.

    Given the shaky situation at RB, Pederson’s preference to pass, and last season I expect this offense is going to be a 60/40 pass run ratio again. I see Wentz’s accuracy taking a leap this year as well as his TDs with upgrades at WR.

  67. 67 Guy Media said at 11:47 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    That makes a lot of sense.

  68. 68 BobSmith77 said at 11:55 AM on September 3rd, 2017:

    One thing I am a bit concerned about with Wentz this year is that he still forces too many plays including ill-advised deep balls into double coverage & ends up throwing ~15 INTs again.

    Eagles were +6 last year but that is because they forced their share of turnovers (26; 10th in the NFL). They were 14th in turnovers allowed (20).

  69. 69 A_T_G said at 12:10 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I am choosing to believe that was a product of him needing to throw *somewhere* and being forced into a lot of least bad decisions.

  70. 70 A_T_G said at 12:09 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I used the same reasoning and the same draft range.

  71. 71 ian_no_2 said at 4:41 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    The consensus of coaches and analysts is that passing efficiency goes down without an established running game.

  72. 72 Dave said at 1:14 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I am surprised that the Eagles made no waiver claims and all of their cuts cleared waivers.

    Edit, my bad, didn’t see Neary was claimed.

  73. 73 Duracell said at 1:17 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    At looks like except for Austin Neary (!).

  74. 74 Dave said at 1:18 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I was evidently editing my post while you replied.

  75. 75 Duracell said at 1:19 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Guess at the PS: Brown, Gordon, Gerry, Treggs, Hamilton, Orlosky, Sullivan, Smith, Greene, QB

  76. 76 RC5000 said at 1:26 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Sullivan going to IR right?

  77. 77 RC5000 said at 1:30 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Agree with most except maybe Greene. I personally like Ward & possibly Marshall even wiith all our backs but he could want to leave with all our backs. Also what about Dallas Thomas who can play guard and tackle? Hart is another consideration.

  78. 78 Duracell said at 1:34 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Sounds like Andrews is one. So that likely nixes Greene. I’d prefer Marshall to Treggs probably, but hard to see that when they already kept 5 RBs. Ward over Treggs is probable though.

  79. 79 RC5000 said at 1:37 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Marshall might seek a better situation IF he can find one but I think Treggs > him or Ward for me.

  80. 80 BlindChow said at 1:24 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    They may have put in a claim or two, but could have been beaten by someone above them.

  81. 81 A_T_G said at 1:25 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Waivers pass, not with a bang and barely a whimper.

  82. 82 RC5000 said at 1:23 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Would love to get in the mix for QB Kyle Sloter on the practice squad but it could be a longshot and it will probably cost a little bit of $.

  83. 83 RC5000 said at 1:58 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Bummer but not the end of the world obviously …

  84. 84 Dave said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Mike Lombardi really hates Doug Pederson

  85. 85 Guy Media said at 2:30 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    He’s an imbecile. Go look up what Browns people have to say about Lombardi’s draft record.

  86. 86 BobSmith77 said at 2:45 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Yeah and he seems to take a lot more credit for things (e.g., Patriots) that he has any legit claim.

    Pederson lasting way less than 51 games isn’t that profound a prediction.

    Been a lot of rumbling this offseason that if Pederson has a losing record again that he is gone. It wouldn’t shock me especially if Wentz is healthy for all 16 G.

    Everyone touts Lurie’s long-standing emphasis on stability and patience with head coaches.

    Given the recent turbulence in the front office and Lurie’s expressed desire to win, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pederson get fired if the above happens this year.

    I don’t think he was even a Top 3 choice when he got hired here but more of a default option after a few other choices turned them down.

    They clearly neutered Pederson’s speaking role this offseason and I don’t expect him to be nearly as candid or forthcoming this season including in post-game conferences. I’m expecting a lot more Andy Reid non-answers and generic responses.

  87. 87 BobSmith77 said at 2:49 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    If you listen to the WFAN and the NY sports media, they pretty much laughed at the Pederson hire and generally assert Pederson is in way over his head.

    Francesa had fun with some of Pederson’s comments last year including the Wentz as a lead blocker comment. He said it was one the dumber things he had heard an NFL coach say and wondered what would happen if a Giants’ coach would do that with Eli and defend it the following day to the NY sports media.

    They clearly regard the Cowboys as their primary competition in the NFC East this season with the Eagles/Skins a tier down from them.

  88. 88 Ray888 said at 4:30 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Francesca’s judgement on a coach can be clouded by who ” plays ball w/ him”, I.e a source of info and available guest. He frequently had AR on his Sunday morning football show years ago and treated him better than the Giant or Jet coaches. I doubt he has such a close relation w/ DP.

  89. 89 Dave said at 3:15 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    “Been a lot of rumbling this offseason that if Pederson has a losing record again that he is gone.”

    Rumblings by whom?

  90. 90 Patrick said at 2:35 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    I had my doubts when hiring Douggy P and I still have them. I think theres some questionable decisions and overall im not that confident that he’ll be the long term answer.

    That being said, I dont think theres very much evidence to support the fact that he is detrimental and should be fired, rather than giving him the chance. I would probably still have preferred Gase og Hue Jackson, but claiming that Pederson already shown that he is a mistake is just plain wrong, not really any discussion to be had.

  91. 91 ChoTime said at 4:33 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    P-Doug had a pretty good campaign–most rookie coaches have an awful time of it. Usually, they are fired because of previous dumpster-fireing, so it’s not a good comparison (For anyone who thinks Chip was a dumpster fire, remember he won like 27 games in 3 years). Most coaches don’t pan out. The odds are what they are.

    I am with you, though, there isn’t much evidence either way. But the online world requires Content, Content, Content.

  92. 92 Anders said at 3:59 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    The funny thing is two of best nfl coaches in the NFL had zero coordinator experience in Reid and haurbaugh

  93. 93 Gary Barnes said at 9:04 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Vermeil too I believe was never a NFL coordinator b4 he became HC here in PHL

  94. 94 or____ said at 1:55 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Hard not to be conveniently happy with what’s going on with Sua Cravens and the Washington defense – sorry, I’m not empathetic to them… I like that it hurts our week 1 opponent, a division rival…etc…

    Seriously makes it easier for us to attack them with really all our WRs, Ertz, and even in our run game.

    Anything of interest potentially on Wash we can swindle away for trading them Watkins? (I know, unlikely and he’s not exactly a SS type…just fun to muse about.

  95. 95 or____ said at 2:03 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Go get that Williams kid from Buffalo

  96. 96 RC5000 said at 2:25 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Is he really that much better than Clement? He ran for 94 yards last year.

    He also had a DUI last summer and missed his senior year at Arknsas with injury.

  97. 97 or____ said at 2:48 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    All good points. I think he might be better than Clement but i didn’t realize the extent of injuries.

  98. 98 RC5000 said at 2:06 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Just passing this along

    After initial cuts yesterday, 19 teams stuck with just two quarterbacks, though that’s going to change in the next few days.

    This list will continue to evolve over the next few days, but at the moment, here’s a division-by-division look at the quarterback depth charts:

    Bills: Tyrod Taylor, Nathan Peterman, T.J. Yates.
    Dolphins: Jay Cutler, Matt Moore.
    Patriots: Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo
    Jets: Josh McCown, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg.

    Ravens: Joe Flacco, Ryan Mallett.
    Bengals: Andy Dalton, A.J. McCarron, *Jeff Driskel.
    Browns: DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan.
    Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger, Landry Jones, Josh Dobbs.

    Texans: Tom Savage, Deshaun Watson.
    Colts: Andrew Luck, Scott Tolzien, Jacoby Brissett, Stephen Morris.
    Jaguars: Blake Bortles, Chad Henne, Brandon Allen.
    Titans: Marcus Mariota, Matt Cassel.

    Broncos: Trevor Siemian, Paxton Lynch.
    Chiefs: Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes, Tyler Bray.
    Chargers: Philip Rivers, Cardale Jones.
    Raiders: Derek Carr, Connor Cook, EJ Manuel.

    Cowboys: Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush.
    Giants: Eli Manning, Geno Smith, Davis Webb.
    Eagles: Carson Wentz, Nick Foles.
    Washington: Kirk Cousins, Colt McCoy.

    Bears: Mike Glennon, Mitchell Trubisky, Mark Sanchez.
    Lions: Matthew Stafford, Jake Rudock.
    Packers: Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley.
    Vikings: Sam Bradford, Case Keenum.

    Falcons: Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub.
    Panthers: Cam Newton, Derek Anderson.
    Saints: Drew Brees, Chase Daniel.
    Buccaneers: Jameis Winston, Ryan Fitzpatrick, *-Ryan Griffin.

    Cardinals: Carson Palmer, Drew Stanton, Blaine Gabbert.
    Rams: Jared Goff, Sean Mannion.
    49ers: Brian Hoyer, C.J. Beathard.
    Seahawks: Russell Wilson, Austin Davis.

  99. 99 RC5000 said at 2:10 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Great…Hamilton could get poached eventually…

    Justin Hamilton will be joining the Eagles’ practice squad, per NFL Draft Diamonds. I’m surprised Hamilton didn’t get claimed because he had a good summer.

    Alex McCalister (waived/injured) wasn’t claimed so now he’s on the Eagles’ injured reserve list.

  100. 100 A_T_G said at 4:43 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Is Sullivan with McCalister?

  101. 101 RC5000 said at 8:06 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Yes. Sorry so late but he is listed on IR on Eagles website roster.


    Goforth, Randall CB 5-10 190 23 R UCLA
    57 McCalister, Alex DE 6-6 239 23 2 Florida
    Shittu, Aziz DT 6-2 288 23 1 Stanford
    49 Sullivan, Tre S 6-0 200 23 R Shepherd
    Williams, Dom WR 6-2 200 24 1 Washington State

  102. 102 RC5000 said at 2:11 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    So far

    DT Justin Hamilton

    OL Josh Andrews

    CB C.J. Smith

  103. 103 RC5000 said at 2:54 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Dane Evans won’t be brought back on the practice squad, per ESP.

  104. 104 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 4:07 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Marginal talent, showed how little appeal Iggles had to UDFA QBs that they were stuck with the guy who went to tryout camp.

  105. 105 RC5000 said at 2:56 PM on September 3rd, 2017:


    #Cowboys released former #Eagles traitor DT Cedric Thornton.

  106. 106 RC5000 said at 3:09 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

  107. 107 RC5000 said at 3:18 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

  108. 108 RC5000 said at 4:09 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Nice practice squad as far as those things go. We’ll get some potentially valuable nuggets on Redskins from Sudfeld obviously.:

    QB Nate Sudfeld

    C/G Josh Andrews

    TE Billy Brown

    LB Nathan Gerry

    OT Dillon Gordon

    DT Justin Hamilton

    RB Byron Marshall

    CB C.J. Smith

    WR Bryce Treggs

    WR Greg Ward

  109. 109 ian_no_2 said at 4:40 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    They’re going heavy in the areas that are weak and light in the areas that they’re strong. If you go light on RBs, you can still cut another position to pick someone up on waivers.

    This is a front office that thinks about the talking point on the next news cycle. At risk is the mantra about Joe Douglas being RB magic. I remember Roseman thinking he was Superman when he won the Jim Washburn bidding, then he had to get a DC that would work with him which never happened. Washburn was the toy the kids were fighting over on the playground.

  110. 110 D3FB said at 5:29 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    6 RB is insane. 6 DT is too to a lesser extent but at least that group has more talent

  111. 111 FairOaks said at 6:07 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Didn’t they have 6 RB last year? Mathews, Sproles, Smallwood, and Barner on the 53, plus Marshall and Bonnet on the practice squad? Bonnet was let go partway through the year, but they started with 6.

  112. 112 D3FB said at 9:28 PM on September 3rd, 2017:

    Bonnet was at least a FB/H-Back