Moves

Posted: October 14th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 349 Comments »

The Eagles are 5-1. Things seem pretty good. There is a lot to like about the team right now.

Then you hear former Penn State star and Pro Bowl LB NaVorro Bowman was cut by the Niners. Should the Eagles go get him?

MLB Jordan Hicks got hurt against Carolina and missed half the game. He already missed another game this season. Young Joe Walker and veteran Najee Goode can replace him in the base defense, but neither is ideal right now. Goode is a limited player. Walker is just inexperienced.

Mychal Kendricks secretly has to love Hicks going down. Kendricks replaces him in the Nickel and that means a lot of extra snaps for him. Kendricks led the Eagles with 15 tackles on Thursday night.

If the Eagles signed Bowman, they could cut Walker and likely get him to the practice squad. Bowman isn’t a star anymore, but would be an upgrade over Walker. The problem is that Walker plays on STs, as does Goode. Would Bowman want to do that, and be a backup? No.

The other problem with adding someone like Bowman is that the Eagles have good chemistry right now. The whole is better than the sum of the parts, as the saying goes. The LBs have played terrific football this year, no matter who is on the field. They aren’t filling up the stat sheet with huge plays, but they are making a lot of tackles, many of them at important times (3rd and 4th down).

Doug Pederson said on Friday that Hicks would be practicing this week. If he’s going to play, you’re good at LB and there is no need to make any changes. If Hicks was out a month or something like that, I would say making a play for someone like Bowman could make some sense.

There is risk by sticking with the current group. Hicks could re-injure his ankle and be out for a few weeks. Bowman will likely be with another team by then. The Eagles would probably have to make do with their own guys. Still, I think standing pat is the smart move.

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Former Eagles scout John Middlekauff is now part of the media out in the Bay area and says the Niners are shopping multiple veterans. He mentioned that RB Carlos Hyde is available at a reasonable price.

RB is a spot where I would consider a move. Wendell Smallwood has missed two games in a row and isn’t sounding all that likely for this week. Corey Clement is effective in a limited role, but is only 25-71 for the season.

Hyde and LeGarrette Blount would give you a heck of a 1-2 punch with big guys. You could have Smallwood and Kenjon Barner as the 3rd down backs, depending on who is healthy. Hyde is 73-332-2 for the year. I doubt he’d be thrilled about joining a RB rotation, but would probably love being on a winning team for the first time in a while.

I would only make a move like this if the price was right. The current RBs are getting the job done and Smallwood will be back soon.

The Eagles can worry about long term solutions for RB in the offseason.

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The trade deadline is Oct. 31st. We’ll see if any injury situations force the Eagles to make a move.

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There is an old adage in sports that sometimes the best trades are the ones you didn’t make.

Remember that all offseason we talked about Mychal Kendricks getting dealt for a late round pick. Jason Kelce too, or possibly even cut. Kendricks is having his best season since 2014, when he was a starter and played well. Kelce is having his best season in a couple of years. The Eagles would be hurting without these two. Good thing that Howie Roseman and the coaching staff showed patience and decided to keep them around.

What about some draft targets?

I wanted the Eagles to get Corey Davis. TEN took him way early and he’s 7-73 so far this season. Marcus Mariota has missed time with injuries so the Titan offense has had problems.

There were rumors that the Eagles had interest in RB Christian McCaffrey. He has been disappointing, averaging only 2.7 yards per carry. He does have 37 catches this year, but only averages 7.9 yards per reception. He hasn’t been much of a playmaker so far.

WR Mike Williams was a huge injury concern and that turned out to be accurate. He is getting ready to make his NFL debut this weekend. I certainly hope he stays healthy and plays well, but for now I’m glad he’s not an Eagle.

WR John Ross was another player we heard talk about. Injuries were an issue with him and he’s been hurt so far in his short NFL career.

I really wanted CB Marshon Lattimore, but didn’t see any way he would fall to the Eagles. He didn’t and he’s playing well for the Saints.

The Eagles had serious interest in Gareon Conley, the other CB from Ohio State. That all changed when there were rape allegations just before the draft. Conley has had to deal with his off-field situation and injuries. His rookie season isn’t going well, but it’s way too early to know if he can play.

Dalvin Cook looked like the real deal, but then tore his ACL.

A lot of fans wanted the Eagles to take LB Reuben Foster. He looked great this summer, but then got hurt in the season opener and hasn’t played since. Injuries were a concern with him.

One big lesson from all of this is that injuries are a huge X-factor.

Derek Barnett is still very much a work in progress, but he’s been a solid part of the DE rotation so far. He might have played his best game on Thursday night. I think he’s going to be a good starter in the future.

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  • Insomniac

    “I really wanted CB Marshon Lattimore, but didn’t see any way he would fall to the Eagles. He didn’t and he’s playing well for the Saints.”

    Marshon Lattimore and Darby? That’s a very promising CB duo.

    • Ankerstjernen

      Some people thought Sidney Jones was even better than Lattimore. Greg Cossell was one (and not just on eagles media, he said so on other platforms as well). So..

      • Mitchell

        I was another, for what its worth.

      • Insomniac

        I had Lattimore as the clear cut #1 CB in the draft and never saw what Cossell saw (then again I rarely do). Jones was behind him but had way more concerns along with injury.

  • Howie Littlefinger

    I saw the title and thought this might be in reference to the sweet dance moves that the team did after the big win.

    I like where this team is headed. No need to make a move unless we get great value.

  • Fufina

    Salary cap is going to be very tight next year, especially with Kelce, Curry and Kendricks having bounce back years, and Peters still playing at an all-pro level right now which may persuade him to not retire next year.

    Only ‘easy’ cut next year is Celek – because a blocking TE cannot justify $5mil in salary however good a teammate and leader he is. Kendricks will probably need to go next year even with his improved play, as the Eagles cannot afford to pay him $6mil to play 30-40% of the snaps.

    Because of that i imagine Howie will be hording the ~$7mil he can roll over from 2017, so any trade needs to be on players either on their rookie deals, or on vet minimums…. and the cost to acquire cheap impact players in the NFL is not low.

    • ColorSgt

      If I were celek I would be willing to restructure my contract at the minimum to continue playing on this team. This team is special and I’d want to be a part of that at the end of my career. Not sure if the Eagles would still want to keep him or move on.

  • philllyfanatic

    I’ve been wondering a lot lately what it would take to get Carlos Hyde from the 49ers. I still don’t trust our group of running backs and I think we need an upgrade. Hyde would really complete this team.

    On the other hand, Hyde and Lev Bell are unrestricted free agents at the end of the year. We could sign one of them in free agency and be set next year.

    I suppose if the 49ers were willing to give up Hyde for our 4rth round pick or the Patriots 4rth round pick I’d have to consider the deal. I don’t want to have to use my first round pick on a running back next year and I doubt we’ll be able to figure out a way to get from the 32nd overall pick all the way up to Saquon Barkley.

    • Fufina

      We will have almost no money to spend on free agents next year. We will need to extend some of Graham, Hicks, Darby and maybe Agholor (we have 5th year option in 2019), resign some of Jeffery, Jernigan, Bradham, Robinson, Blount, Allen, Burton and a couple of other roll players may be desirable to retain

      Reasonably we will have $20mil (after cutting Kendricks and Celek) in cap space to do that (the extensions will have limited 2018 cap impacts generally to be fair).

      Fortunately the Eagles team looks decently deep longer term, with few holes on the roster, so i imagine they will try to improve at RB in the draft as well as adding line depth.

      • Tumtum

        Don’t know the others for sure but Darby and Hicks are under contract next year, no?

        • Dragon_Eagle

          The money has to go to the D-line. Graham and Jernigan. They will cost some dinero. After that, they can make choices, but so long as they keep that line going, we’re good.

        • FairOaks

          Yes, Graham as well. Teams often like to extend them a year before the contract is up, so they have some leverage — if the player gets injured during that season he may not end up with the huge payday, so they may be willing to sign for a bit less AAV to get the extension a year early.

          I suspect that if we sign Graham and Jernigan, we will need to let Curry go. That would be a $5 million cap savings, or $9 million if we make him a post-June-1 cut and roll $4 million dead money into 2019.

      • Insomniac

        Celek is gone. Burton will be gone as well. Allen might get replaced by Hamilton. Robinson is having an anomaly year and will get buried by Jones/Mills/Douglas next year so he’s gone.

        I doubt we’re going to let go of Kendricks at this point. Partially because of Hicks and the defense finally coming together. Hicks hasn’t prove that he can stay healthy enough and he hasn’t been playing at the same level this year.

        Bradham will be a very tough decision, I think we make an offer and hope he just likes it here more than the extra millions he’ll get from a desperate team.

        Blount hasn’t made much money in his career so I think he does chase the money. I’ll miss the him if he goes since he’s easily the most fun player (after Wentz) to watch on the team.

        I don’t know how we’re going to extend Graham. He’s been on such a team friendly deal so I don’t know how he’ll handle his next one.

        Darby has to earn his fat contract but good CBs get paid regardless. I think we’ll try the sign him early before contracts get too crazy method like we did for other young studs.

        • Ankerstjernen

          Didn’t they restructure Grahams contract this offseason in order to add earnable bonuses? They realised he was simply underpaid and corrected it to some extend. I thought that was a pretty great move by Howie, considering team chemistry and Grahams contributions these last few years. I think they love him and they are not going to let him leave.

          • FairOaks

            Yeah, they gave him a bunch more incentive bonuses. Those could actually eat a bit into next year’s cap if they were NLTBE and he reaches them. He’s under contract for 2018 so there is no absolute need to sign him this offseason, but if you want any leverage at all, it may be a good idea.

          • Insomniac

            They did but we don’t know how an older Graham would handle it. Is he satisfied with the money he has earned so far? That’s the real question.

          • Ankerstjernen

            I get the feeling that he feels very well respected by the organisation. Remember, they stuck with him and gave him a new contract after a somewhat disappointing beginning to his career with injuries and position changes etc. And now the bonusses that they didnt strictly have to give him. They wouldn’t just hand him that money if they planned to let him walk. It looks like one of those ‘in good faith’ hand outs – probably part of some talks they are already having with his agents.

        • unhinged

          I’m hoping that Burton tests the market and ends up staying for slightly less than he’s currently getting, with a nice bonus and lots of incentives. If Maragos is done, Burton’s value rises, and he’s got good hands, knows how to run a route in zone coverage, and apparently has taken to Philadelphia culture.

      • D3FB

        They’ve got enough room.

        If the cap rises conservatively to $175 (and it will probably be more along the lines of 180) that’s about 4 mil space given current contracts. Add 7 of rollover.

        That’s 11 mil.

        Celek, Torrey, and Maragos are 10.5

        That’s 21.5

        You only have to really worry about big $ for Alshon and Timmy. Bradham will be 29 in 2018 and a non premium position.

        And they’ll have lower year 1 AAV. So they can do pretty much anything we really want to without replacing much.

        If they want to do a ton of work outside the org they’ll have to slide some things around, but they can bring back the core of this team without too much trouble.

        • Fufina

          Oh i don’t disagree they should be able to keep most if not all their important core pieces.

          The numbers for 2018 aren’t quite that big however – the Eagles have only 44 players signed through the year so you need to add at least 9 contracts to fill the bottom of the roster (some of who will be draft picks) probably taking another ~$6mil of space.

          However i really doubt they will be doing much free agent business unless Peters retires (which would make a starting OT a priority – but would open up significant cap room to sign someone).

          There is need to roll over at least some cap because 2019 has a Wentz extension and the rest of the free agent crop of Graham, Hicks, Darby and maybe Agholor to get signed.

          • D3FB

            2019 won’t be too bad. Half of the big contracts will be off the books.

            Graham won’t get another big money extension. He’s 30 in April. Wentz probably won’t get extended until 2020.

            Next year is really the tight year.

      • kajomo

        What are people’s thoughts on Curry next offseason? He seemed like an easy cut before the season, but that DL has really been a strength and he’s played well. Same question for Kelce

        • Insomniac

          I think we still have to let him go. Barnett might not be at the same level yet but it’s most likely the better position to see a drop off at. Keep Chris Long and I think we’ll be fine at DE.

    • Insomniac

      Hyde would complete this team in what way? You don’t want to have two power runners that need to get fed on the team. Yet alone giving him up assets and even sacrificing other talent to keep him is absurd.

    • wee2424

      4th? Hell no, they even just said they are doing it for a 6th. I don’t want him for that. It is not like we are a poor rushing team by any means. Save the draft picks. We are somewhat low.

  • Tumtum

    Yes yes yes on Hyde. Also let the record show I formally accept all apologies for those who were very unhappy with my distaste for trading Kelce and Kendricks!

  • KevinShinn

    Hey Tommy? You’re sharp.

  • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

    The view from SF:
    Hyde doesn’t always give 100% effort.
    Bowman still thinks he’s an every down LB and became disgruntled when they tried to limit his snaps.

    Pass on both.

    • wee2424

      Not trying to pass the notion that the Birds should get Hyde, but I’m sure part of the reason he is not playing 100℅ is due to the garbage team he plays for.

      • A_T_G

        Maybe, but that attitude would be a big concern for me. Sounds like DRC.

        • wee2424

          Agree it is a concern, again not pulling to get him.

        • BobSmith77

          Blount had as big of a question mark if not more coming here this season about his effort and long-run presence.

          Seems like it took him getting embarrassed about not getting a carry in the Chiefs’ game to get him to change his approach.

          • A_T_G

            True. Maybe Hyde would rise to the situation as well. Still, I think that is a risk that is more paletable with a full offseason on a 0-0 team than a 5-1 playoff contender.

            After all, things getting tough and Hyde turning into Dr. Jekyll would be bad.

  • wee2424

    We are somewhat low on picks this draft. Keep them and build through the draft. Minus the first 2 weeks of the season our run game has been fine, and that has been with our most explosive non IR RB missing some time.

    I get Smallwood being hurt is part of the reason people want Hyde, but again we are running the ball effectively. You don’t fix things that aren’t broken, especially when it costs you valuable resources.

  • wee2424

    Random, but could you guys imagine how legendary it would have been if Wentz trucked that S and went in for the score?

    If he used leverage and went lower he may have pulled it off. Shit, did I just feed the Wentz critics with ammunition?

    • ChoTime

      I don’t think there are any Wentz critics left.

      The pendulum has swung (probably too far, but might as well ride the wave!).

      • wee2424

        There are always haters. Some may not even fully believe it, but they will come up with content for click bait.

    • Howie Littlefinger

      The guy in back of the DB Wentz tried to truck made the play. If it was 1 v 1 Wentz would have been in. Cool to see the desire to win above all else but I don’t want to see him do that again unless its the play offs

  • nopain23

    Lattimore had major injury concerns with his hamstrings and he’s been healthy and as advertised. Just goes to show you never know.

  • soundbonz

    I wouldn’t hate a trade for Hyde. Not sold on Smallwood anyway. Even interested in a looksee at Ryan Mathews – much maligned but underrated back in limited use.

    Let’s address workhorse back next season.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Your week 6 rooting guide. You’re welcome.

    With the Eagles having taken care of business on Thursday night, here’s your guide for how to get emotionally charged up for a weekend without the Birds no matter what game the convoluted network rules deliver. The 2017 Rooting Rule Book has been pasted below for your reference.

    Miami (2-2) v Atlanta (3-1). Miami. Atlanta stands between us and glory. Is it a lost cause with Cutler vs. M. Ryan? Yep. But ya gotta have dreams.

    Chicago (1-4) v Baltimore (3-2). Baltimore. OK, so Chicago is dead and Baltimore still deserves to be abused for abandoning Cleveland. But Baltimore is the only divisional threat to the arrogant Steelers fans and the last thing we need is Harbaugh losing his job and resurfacing in NY.

    Cleveland (0-5) v Houston (2-3). Houston. Both cities have suffered and while Houston is in Texas which is reason enough to root against them, Cleveland’s job is to get the #1 pick then fleece the NYG for draft picks, while the Giants select the next Matt Leinert.

    Green Bay (4-1) v. Minnesota (3-2). Minnesota. Wouldn’t wish a visit to Lambeau in January on anyone.

    Detroit (3-2) v. New Orleans (2-2). New Orleans. Tough call, but Detroit looks like a complete if imperfect team and a dark horse in the conference. Also, don’t want the bottom to fall out and see Sean Payton get a new job in our division with a young QB. Maybe he’s lost it, but I’d rather not take that chance.

    New England (3-2) v. NY Jets (3-2). NY Jets. If the Jets win they will be in sole possession of first place at the end of week 6. I can’t think of anything crazier so far this season.

    San Francisco (0-5) v Washington (2-2). San Francisco, obviously. While highly unlikely, it would be wonderfully disheartening for Washington to lose to a FCS quality opponent at home.

    Tampa Bay (2-2) v Arizona (2-3). Arizona. Should we need it, we’ve got the tiebreaker vs. Arizona.

    LA Rams (3-2) v Jacksonville (3-2). Jacksonville. Arguably the game of the week. Weird. The Rams are contenders? I’m still not sold, but they are playing well. AFC team all the way.

    LA Chargers (1-4) v Oakland (2-3). LA Chargers. If only for contributing to the Giants’ current misery, let them have another win.

    Pittsburgh (3-2) v Kansas City (5-0). Kansas City. See rule #5 below. Go Big Red.

    NY Giants (0-5 🙂 v Denver (3-1). Denver. Yes, we don’t want the NYG to get a great draft pick, but the season is still early-ish and frankly I don’t think their fans have paid enough penance yet for their offseason predictions. Let the dumpster fire rage a few more weeks.

    Indianapolis (2-3) v Tennessee (2-3). Tennessee. Indy is prime for a coaching and GM change. Let it happen and let them take the best available (not named Jim Schwartz) by outbidding the NYG who get stuck with someone even worse than creepy uncle guy.

    Dallas (2-3) v Bye week (3-2). Bye week. Happy to report that the bye week appears to be winning handily. To requote PFT’s recap: “The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals’ 2-1 decision to vacate the preliminary injunction on Elliott’s suspension ends a bad week for the Cowboys, who have a bye. To review, they lost a heart-breaker to Aaron Rodgers and the Packers on Sunday; Jerry Jones publicly ordered his players to stand for the national anthem, prompting team meetings; defensive lineman Stephen Paea retired; the Cowboys cut Nolan Carroll; and the appeals court has now ruled against their star running.” 🙂

    The 2017 Rule Book. If you can’t remember all that, the general guidelines are as follows in order of importance.

    1) GO EAGLES!
    1a) Dallas sucks.
    2) Division rivals must not win, except in rare instances. E.g. facing each other with one of them threatening to make the playoffs.
    3) Down with the rest of the NFC.
    4) The Patriots cheat; AND
    5) Steelers fans do not deserve anything good to happen to them ever again.

    • FairOaks

      Cleveland in consecutive drafts have traded out of taking Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson (with the original Eagles pick), in favor of taking Cody Kessler and DeShone Kizer later in drafts. Not sure I want them trading down with the Giants, unless it really strips the Giants bare. But they do need to finish worse than the Giants, so them losing would be good.

      I can’t root against the Giants really at this point. Almost want them to go on a mini-run to 1) worsen their draft pick, and 2) maybe give them a reason to keep McAdoo another year. Granted, against Denver, that is virtually hopeless.

      But go Bye Week.

      • daveH

        Keep mcAdoo another year !!

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Yes, I considered that angle, but let’s face it. We’ve seen the Giants rise from the dead in the past. Not until the stake driven through, nails are all hammered in, the coffin lowered, the 6 feet of dirt piled on, and the holy water soaked into the topsoil, shall I call for possibly rooting on the Giants.

        Edit: Unless they’re playing the Cowboys.

    • A_T_G

      The San Fran game has the win-won scenario of embarrassing a rival or competing to out-tank the Giants.

    • A_T_G

      Nice call on CLE. This is the time of year I start rooting for them out of sympathy for my college roommate. If there is a reason it hurts the Eagles, though, tough luck Chris.

    • unhinged

      Please explain for a novice. What did Steeler fans do that every other teams’ fans don’t do?

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Not sure it can be explained. Needs to be experienced.

  • BobSmith77

    A lot of what happens to an NFL is still predicated on luck with injuries (especially non-soft issue injuries), timing, and unexpected contributions.

    So far (knock on wood while crossing my fingers and rubbing on my rabbit’s foot), the Eagles have avoided a serious injury. Even Darby is expected back this season even if it might be the later half. They’ll need that to continue.

    Also have gotten a lot of surprising contributions too from players who were supposedly on the trading block (Kelce, Kendricks), who seriously under-performed last year (Agholor, Curry), or out of nowhere (Elliott). Eagles will need this to continue as well.

    • FairOaks

      Sproles counts as a serious injury. We will see about special teams with Maragos gone (if he is).

      • BobSmith77

        Completely forgot about Sproles and Maragos I wouldn’t put in the category even if he is valuable on special teams coverage.

        Fipps seems to be a magician at getting contributions out of rookies/new guys on special teams coverage.

        • FairOaks

          Maybe, but the team has invested significant resources in special-teams-only players since Fipp has been here, which many teams don’t do. Maragos is terrible as a safety but is a stud on special teams — you lose your best players on the unit, and even Fipp may start having trouble. But yes, it is a bit more possible for someone to step up.

    • ChoTime

      It’s interesting how sometimes a team can play seemingly better than they should, given the sum of their parts. Usually, it’s teams we’re playing whose backup LT schools our pass rushers, or their crap QB drives 80 yards for a winning TD, or their scrub kicker hits a 50 yarder on us. It’s nice to have a team that feels on the rise.

  • BobSmith77

    I would absolutely trade for Hyde if he is available. Blount is like an old muscle car that can still perform but you don’t want to drive it on a long distance road trip at this point.

    Clement is nothing more than a marginal NFL back. Same with Barner. I have serious doubts about Smallwood holding up too if he is used regularly.

    The 49ers are supposedly only asking for a 7th round pick for Hyde which has only very minimal value.

    Eagles are getting to the point where they have to consider the possibility of this being a special season and looking to fill in depth at a minimal cost with an upgrade.

    • Dave

      Hyde is an injury waiting to happen.

      http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/carlos-hyde/6976

      • BobSmith77

        Ok with that risk given the upgrade over Clement/Barner.

        Just not concerned about surrendering a mid or late 7th round pick if this team thinks they might be able to put together a decent playoff run now.

        Getting into UFDA territory with that kind of pick and there has to be some emphasis on this season now how things have unfolded.

        • Insomniac

          Is it really an upgrade or just an lateral upgrade because Hyde is a bigger name?

          Hyde is the same kind of RB as Blount. He needs to be fed the ball and he’s not optimal on 3rd down. Hyde will pretty much ruin the rhythm of our RB rotation. This wouldn’t be an issue if we weren’t given our lead RB like 15 touches a game. You give less runs to Blount making him less effective. You’re still using Smallwood/Barner on 3rd downs. Clement gets replaced but he gets like 8 touches a game. Not to mention he has to learn the playbook and all of those things that come with joining a new team (and yes I know RBs need less time to adjust).

          • BobSmith77

            Upgrade over Clement and your right he is fairly similar to Blount. Not nearly as concerned about disrupting the RB rotation because Smallwood will be active in the mix if he is healthy.

            Biggest issue with acquiring Hyde is what happens with Barner as a return guy/active roster spot. Other issue is would be Hyde satisfied with a backup role who is used sparingly at times?

    • FairOaks

      Hyde is a free agent after this season. He would be just as much a short-term fix as is Blount. If we have to put another RB on IR, then maybe.

  • BobSmith77

    Thing that has impressed me most about this team hasn’t been the play of Cox and Graham. Both guys were very good/excellent last year especially earlier in the season.

    It is the quality of the rest of the DL. Jernigan has been a clear upgrade from Logan.

    Curry looks like a completely different player especially the last 2 games. Long has been a decent backup DE and veteran leader. Hell even Allen and Hamilton have had their moments this year.

    Helped to overcome what is still a pretty substandard group of CBs who are giving up a lot of completions and yardage albeit as a part of the scheme to prevent 20+ receiving plays this year.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      This, plus the unexpected contributions and improvement from others: Kelce, Kendricks, Robinson, Rasul Douglas, Mills, ….

      To me, that kind of team play with contributions from everywhere comes down to good coaching, teaching, and preparation.

      Credit to Doug and his staff.

    • ChoTime

      I don’t know, I think the DL has been consistently excellent for the last several years. I think the criticism has been unfounded, and the accolades are based on the fact that we’re winning.

      Also notice that the defense DVOA has statistically performed worse this year. Ranked 4th this year, ranked 17th this year. Every defensive play is graded according to down and distance in that system.

      http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2016

      • Tumtum

        Sure didn’t feel like we generated any push in the last couple months of 16. “feel” meaning what I saw when I watched.

    • Tumtum

      Dude Hamilton looks like a monster. Why did I not know about him until I saw him last week? Maybe I noticed him the week before and was like who the…

      • Insomniac

        He showed the same flashes in preseason.

  • Masked Man

    Tommy was writing about “Moves” today.

    For some reason, I think the Eagles should keep a pat hand as they say. Stay with this crew. Basically ride the season out unless there is an emergency need for a veteran signing.

    But I have to admit that RB Carlos Hyde is kind of tempting. LB NaVorro Bowman? Not so much at this point in his career.

    Go Eagles!

    • Tumtum

      I don’t mind that plan. I do prefer seeing if you can get Hyde for a song.

      • Masked Man

        Based on what I know about Hyde, he is very tempting. Blount and Hyde could equalize any other running attack in the league.

        • Tumtum

          absolutely

        • Howie Littlefinger

          Day 3 pick and I would consider this. I think we are fine once smallwood is back

          • Masked Man

            Howie knows best!

  • Insomniac

    Having a second consecutive week where none of our division rivals win isn’t too much to ask for right?

    • A_T_G

      Absolutely not. Dallas already lost to the bye and the Giants might actually show up a mile high to survive the game. Go 9ers.

      • Insomniac

        Niners looks like they’ll need a miracle to win today so far.

        • Howie Littlefinger

          They are doing so many questionable things it looks like they are gonna tank this one

  • Tumtum

    Gonna have to use Sunday Ticket to watch other teams today… lame.

    • A Roy

      We can root for the Jets…and against our suicide pool rivals in addition to NYG & WAS.

      • Tumtum

        Been rooting for jets and asj on my fantasy team. Refs are the worst.

    • Insomniac

      reddit.com/nflstreams

  • daveH

    Bradham!

    Philly Philly.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    J-E-T-S!!!

    • A Roy

      Jets jets jets

  • SteveH

    lol, WHAT is going on with the Jets, they were supposed to be tanking!! It will just slay me if they manage to beat New England today.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      If they win this game, Todd Bowles has to enter the coach of the year running.

      • SteveH

        Coach of the century, this team is so devoid of talent I can’t believe they are playing so well. I mean they’re totally sabotaging their chances at high picks, I bet the FO is PISSED they’re winning this.

        • Howie Littlefinger

          They can’t do anything right.

          SF is tanking the washington game. Putting a DT or Reed, A slow LB on Crowder… it’s so obvious

      • Insomniac

        Dougie’s butt is firmly seated on the throne of coach of the year right now.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Wait? What? Aaron Rodgers is out??

    • SteveH

      Yeah, shoulder, no word yet on how serious but it didn’t look like it was too bad based on his reaction. He looked more annoyed than anything.

      • A_T_G

        He also kept it tight to his body when he climbed onto the cart and high five with his left. When I separated my shoulder, I walked around like that for three days before admitting I needed to go to a doctor.

        • SteveH

          Nice, upholding your duty as a man by not going to the doctor for days.

          • A_T_G

            To be fair, the first 24 hours I was too concussed to make decisions about what channel to watch.

      • Howie Littlefinger

        Well he was carted off. Looked likeit was his throwing shoulder too

  • Insomniac

    Rodgers injured? The NFC is pretty much us vs the Falcons at this point if Rodgers is done for a few weeks.

  • SteveH

    Bryce Treggs sighting for Cleveland… I liked Treggs, wish we could have kept him.

  • SteveH

    Preseason prognostication is so amazing. Patriots perfect season, Giants super bowl contenders… The NFL offseason sucks because all anyone can do is sit around and make crap predictions.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    This is that happy period of the football season when Joe Buck gets called away to baseball.

  • SteveH

    Deshaun Watson looks for real. Texans might finally escape quarterback futility. Finally.

    • Guy Media

      Careful, flashes in pan are less bright than they appear and tend to fizzle out quickly. See RG3.

  • A Roy

    Refs just gifted NE a TD.

    • SteveH

      Yeah, Gronk with the veteran OPI.

  • A_T_G

    My fantasy is playing against Cousins. I noticed he just threw an int.

  • Howie Littlefinger

    I wanted us to get Kammara (SP) so badly. He is a complete RB.

    • Masked Man

      No more need for Adrian Peterson at all.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    The Vikes have a golden opportunity to win against Green Bay. They are up 14-7, but they are making tons of stupid mistakes trying to give this game back to GB as an apology for injury to Rodgers.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      And there’s another.

  • SteveH

    The Browns are so Browns. Switch starting QB’s, Hogan throws 3 ints in the first half. What do you bet they go back to Kizer in the 2nd half (who has a 50 QB rating on the season.)

    • SteveH

      Good thing they felt Wentz wasn’t a starter!! We should send them a giant gift basket.

      • Dave

        They didn’t think he could ever be a top 20 QB. I think what they meant to say was that they didn’t think any team that drafted him would ever get a top 20 draft pick during his career.

    • A_T_G

      I really think that should just admit they can’t do it and give up on finding a QB. Instead, start trying to develop a system without one.

      • Julescat

        they already did that

  • SteveH

    Lions getting blown out, that helps us.

  • Masked Man

    Hearing a broken collar bone for Aaron Rodgers. Ouch.

    I think that’s about an 8 week recovery. Anybody know?

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Watching the game. Haven’t heard an update. Replays looked more like a shoulder injury of some kind, separated shoulder maybe, than a broken collar bone. can’t really tell though.

      • Masked Man

        heard it from bloggers like us with no source identified

        • Dave

          Jay Glazer was the source.

          • A_T_G

            Benjamin Albright is reporting it is a radial fracture of the funny bone. Probably.

          • Masked Man

            yuk yuk

          • Masked Man

            “Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that the Packers fear Rodgers broke his collarbone when he was taken down by Vikings linebacker Anthony Barr after throwing an incomplete pass. Rodgers was on the move at the time, which Mike Pereira of FOX Sports said was the reason why no flag was thrown on the play.”

            http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/15/packers-fear-broken-collarbone-for-aaron-rodgers/

          • SteveH

            That’s such a ridiculous rule really, that it’s ok to drive a quarterback when he’s outside of the pocket but not in it. Barr obviously took an extra step and landed on Rodgers, they can talk all day about how it was a clean hit but really the only reason to do that is to try and hurt the QB.

            Rule probably applied correctly but it’s a silly rule.

          • Guy Media

            easy solution, stay in the pocket

          • Dragon_Eagle

            Glazer just said that, but said it is not confirmed.

    • Julescat

      my advice to him is to sit out the rest of the season

    • Howie Littlefinger

      This has huge ramifications for the conference.

      • Masked Man

        Eagles and Falcons lead the pack, so to speak.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Trubisky looks like he should be captaining the junior high school Glee club.

  • Dave
    • Masked Man

      That’s a seven week recovery at least. Week 13 return at best.

      • Dave

        I doubt he comes back week 13 just because they play the Browns. If they still have a shot at the playoffs by week 14, they have the @Panthers, Viking, and @Lions. Not an easy schedule.

        • Masked Man

          If Rodgers is out until then, they most likely need to win every one of those games down the stretch to stay in it.

          • Howie Littlefinger

            I’m just glad they handled the cowboys first

  • Dave

    Confirmed broken collarbone, Packers indicate he may miss rest of season…on Fox during Jets game.

    • Masked Man

      That changes the outlook a lot. Some felt that GB was the #1 team in the NFC.

      Eagles from the East, Falcons from the South, are clearly out front. Carolina licking their wounds this week.

      In the North: Detroit getting bombed today in NO. Minny trying to stay relevant by beating the Pack without Rodgers today.

      In the West: Rams and Hawks each trying to get solid lead in that division.

      • P_P_K

        With the Falcons losing to Miami, Eagles should be considered the #1 team in the NFC.

        I wish playoffs started now.

    • ChoTime

      That’s a shame. Whelp, I guess it does improve our chances, though. No one wants to deal with AR on fire in the playoffs.

  • A_T_G

    Mike McCarthy lacking the courage to go for 4th and 1 at midfield.

    • Howie Littlefinger

      He is not employed without having Rodgers as his QB. He is one of the worst long term coaches in the NFL

      Marvin Lewis is easily the worst

      • Dave

        McCarthy is what Jeff Fisher would have looked like with a franchise QB.

        • unhinged

          Fisher had a franchise QB in Tennessee and they were in the post-season more than once.

          • Howie Littlefinger

            I took it to mean his Rams tenure

        • ChoTime

          Jeff Fisher usually put together a good defense.

          • Dave

            Yup, Jim Schwartz was responsible for quite a few of those.

        • Howie Littlefinger

          YES! This^^^^

          However Fisher was decent at one time, if nothing else he had good defenses.

    • SteveH

      I’m so glad we have a coach who doesn’t coach scared.

    • phillychuck

      This is so true. I was watching that and thinking the analytics there would be about 80:20 to go for it.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Um. Dolphins 17 Falcons 17. How the hell did that happen?

  • A_T_G

    That was an awful call that robbed the Jets of a TD.

    • phillychuck

      The call was correct according to the rules. He lost possession before he broke the plane, and didn’t regain possession of the ball until his hip was on the ground out of bounds. You can see it from the camera behind the end zone pretty clearly.

  • Tumtum

    Watcging jets pats. Really starting to buy into RC’s notion that the refs are trying to decide games.

    • SteveH

      They’ve been hosing the Jets all day, it’s ridiculous. I don’t believe in conspiracy, just incompetence.

  • Howie Littlefinger

    Jets just got jobbed by the refs

  • SteveH

    lol, the Falcons blew it? To the Dolphins? That’s a travesty.

    • Dave

      Matty Ice!

      • Julescat

        worst nickname in football

        • iceberg584

          I just don’t really see how it applies to him, specifically…Is he *that* known for composure?

          • Julescat

            if he was composed, wouldn’t Ice Man be better?

          • Howie Littlefinger

            Carson should steal his nickname. That dude is clutch AF

            Wentzy Ice has no ring to it tho ;(

          • Dave

            I believe he was given that nickname in college or high school.

  • SteveH

    Wow, the Redskins struggling with the Niners lol.

    • Dave

      Huh, they’re up by 9

      • SteveH

        They were up 3 with about 4 minutes left. That’s struggling against one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in the league.

        • Julescat

          Niners back in it. Redskins can’t put these guys away at home?

    • ChoTime

      Niners have lost like three or four games by a total of 11 points or something.

      • SteveH

        Yeah but they’ve also played some other pretty bad teams.

        • ChoTime

          So have we.

          • Howie Littlefinger

            Can only play who is on the schedule. At no point this year have we been outclassed. We have had control of just about every game. I think if we were at home we beat the chiefs

          • ChoTime

            My point is, to disparage the 49ers by saying they’ve played bad teams close opens us to being questioned by playing bad teams close. My meaning being, the 49ers are not quite as bad as their record indicates.

          • Howie Littlefinger

            That was us last year. Also a first year HC there… takes time to build a core and instill an Identity. I was only stating that u can only play the teams on your schedule. Anyone who was saying we didn’t beat anyone good lacked context. Its hard to win games without a bunch of ur best players every week.

            I am watching Rams vs Jags… Im not impressed.

            Whoever compared Wentz to Bortles should be jailed. They’re both big goofy white dudes. One can play and the other looks truly lost lol. Not even close to the same player

      • Guy Media

        And when they play us they can lose each quarter by 11 points! 44-0 Eagles!!!!

  • Julescat

    how bad is Baltimore?

    • Howie Littlefinger

      Bad enough to lose at home to the bears starting a rookie corner in his second game

  • Mychal Kendricks secretly has to love Hicks going down.

    shame on you Tommy

  • SteveH

    Well, Falcons lose, Packers lose and lose Rodgers for a while, Detroit loses, the Redskins might lose…

    It’s like the NFC just wants to hand us that first round bye.

    • Howie Littlefinger

      Redskins clearly suck and got hit with the injury bug

      I think we should sweep them

      • SteveH

        I can’t wait until next week. 10 days is a long time between games.

  • SteveH

    Knee was down that’s a catch. The Niners are doing it lol.

    Also, who the hell is C.J. Beathard lol.

  • Tumtum

    Cards lookin like we knocked all the crap out of em.

  • SteveH

    How, how in this world are the Lions coming back on the Saints. This week is a travesty.

  • SteveH

    WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD UP, GARCON WAS THE INTENDED RECEIVER!!!

  • SteveH

    Why are the announcers defending that call? Pierre Garcon got called for offensive pass interference for a pick on a pass intended for Pierre Garcon.

    • Howie Littlefinger

      Yeah crazy how they called that, it practically decided the game. Home cooking just gonna be a thing the rest of the season? We better get it in our house next Monday too

  • Donald Kalinowski

    Pumph for Carlos Hyde. Let’s do this.

  • kajomo

    These last 3 week’s could not have gone better for the eagles.

    The last 2 week’s we saw our division fall apart and give us a big lead for the division title. Now the other conference leaders are doing their part. If we get home field in the playoffs the sky is the limit for this team, which is insane to even think about

  • Tumtum

    Arizona thinks its 2007

    • Howie Littlefinger

      Well if it was they would definitely be Super Bowl favorites

  • A_T_G

    Strahan talking says he thought Eagles were second best behind Falcons, but now that the Falcons lost to Miami, there is really no one that looks to be in the lead.

    “No one has really stepped forward and showed they can win…(takes about three breaths, camera pans away, tides change, rocks erode)…well, except the Eagles.”

    Such disrespect.

    • Insomniac

      Demarcus Ware (much better DE than Strahan) had us as the best in the NFC so eat shit Strahan.

      • Tumtum

        Before getting on here I was thinking about former NFL guys paid to talk about the NFL, and trying to convince myself I wasn’t bias against NFC East rivals. D. Ware was an example I used to myself as someone I like that used to be in the NFC East. 5 min ago when I had this internal debate, I had no idea Ware was in the media… so I left the argument assuming I am biased.

    • Tumtum

      Yeah he is a jerk.

  • Insomniac

    I’ll never understand how Fournette is that fast. The guy outruns everyone once he gets that full head of steam going.

  • Ankerstjernen

    So, Larry Fitzgerald appear to have decided to do to the Bucs what he used to do to the Eagles. He is simply destroying that team right now. And after every play he reaches out and helps up his opponent. Then proceeds to beat him again on the next play.

    I don’t think there is a more likeable easy-to-root for player in the league than Fitz. Guy is the best.

  • SteveH

    Carson Palmer is destroying the Bucs right now lol.

    • ChoTime

      I had a friend played classical guitar for the Bucs last night. Maybe he lulled them to sleep. I was actually offered that gig, but I was busy.

      • Howie Littlefinger

        Thats pretty sweet! I just started guitar lessons and am really getting into it.

        • ChoTime

          Cool. One thing sports and music have in common is that you develop something you own, in your own hands–whether that’s a jump shot or the ability to play your favorite song.

      • anon

        Didn’t know Tampa was a classical guitar type of crowd

        • ChoTime

          I was kind of joking, it was probably for the VIP types or admin, not the players. I once played for the Eagles (even got paid with an Eagles check), but it was the accountants or something. They laughed when I asked if DMac was coming.

  • SteveH
  • unhinged

    Steelers are playing like their season is on the line, and KC is playing like they’re undefeated.

    • SteveH

      The Chiefs have no first downs yet and it’s almost halftime. Everybody’s gotta lay an egg someday.

    • Guy Media

      True. And KC is playing like the always play vs. Pittsburgh.

      • Howie Littlefinger

        Thats how I feel like we play the Vikings every time

        • Guy Media

          Not last year

          • Howie Littlefinger

            Well I mean everything is different now. This doesn’t feel like a let down team. I have been on wentz wagon since day 1

            So glad we didn’t get Goff. Nothing really against him (Other than my 12yr old having bigger arms lol)

    • ChoTime

      Teams are rarely as good or as bad as they look. Tempering one’s predictions makes for greater accuracy, if less hysterical fun!

    • daveH

      How badass is Levon Bell’s ruining style! !

      • Guy Media

        I’d value it at about $12 mil AAV, but certainly not $15 mil AAV.

        • daveH

          ARod injury today horrible .. how do you value the risk of injury for every player ??

          • Guy Media

            That’s why you sign the extension offered to you.

          • daveH

            Cousins taking on huge risk .. Beckham won’t get his huge payday i don’t think

  • SteveH

    Oh my god Tony Romo is a savage

    JN: “Have you ever seen a team fail to pick up a first own during the whole first half?”

    TR: “Uhhhh I think Jacksonville during the last 5 years.”

    Shots fired lol.

    • Dave

      Although I find his voice a little whiny, I appreciate how he seems generally excited about each game he calls. Basically, he is the antithesis of Joe Buck.

      • Ankerstjernen

        Romo has done extremely well for a guy that has never had that sort of a job ever before. He calls out plays, assignments, alignments and critical details almost like he was looking at a feed with ten seconds delay to the rest of us. He is good with words (I know, right, but so many of these announcers are not!) And, he seems to be genuinely enthusiastic about the game.

  • Guy Media

    Must win Monday coming up in 8 days. Put a fork in Washington’s ability to win our division OR get called out for being a disorganized bunch of gutless cowards high on your own press clippings.

    CHOOSE WISELY Eagles!

  • Masked Man

    Seems like the Falcons have problems on defense. If they can’t totally blow you away with scoring, they might not be able to stop you from getting a come back win against them.

    I didn’t see the game. But Miami won 20-17 on the road at Atlanta. Check out the box score.

    The Falcons scored all of their 17 points in the first half. And guess what? Miami scored all of their 20 points in the second half.

    • Guy Media

      Look at how much coaching they lost in the off-season. That’s a lot of new stuff to get used to in a hurry coming off of an extra 3 games last year.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    C’mon AR. Let’s see some of those famous half-time adjustments. Oh wait.

  • anon

    Damn, didn’t know AP got traded until yesterday. I guess he’s still good?

    • Guy Media

      Or Tampa just sucks.

      • Someguy77

        I wouldn’t say TB sucks. Just haven’t made that leap some people thought they might including myself. I thought they were poised for a 10-win breakout season this year.

        • Guy Media

          I still will, but I get your point.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Glew sighting on the sideline after that KC passing TD.

    Not missing his coaching one bit. See Agholor, Nelson (2017).

    • Guy Media

      I think he got a bum rap. He was certainly an upgrade from that punk ass Bob Bicknell who DeSean should have slapped.

      • A_T_G

        I think he wasn’t very good. Every WR underperformed last year compared to this year, including Mathews playing in Buffalo and DGB stocking shelves.

  • SteveH

    The Chiefs inability to stop the run today is amazing. They’re just getting owned up front over and over.

  • SteveH

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol the Chiefs. What was that.

    • daveH

      Pure insanity and unlucky and out-athleticised all at once

      • daveH

        And cool TD dance thing

        • SteveH

          Through the hands, off the helmet, right to Brown.

          • daveH

            Brown 1 handed .. like Ertz, still paying attention

    • Ankerstjernen

      THAT was me, losing in fantasy with that one play. Goddamn. (And my QB was Winston too.)

  • daveH

    Antonio Brown just topped Ertz

    • Howie Littlefinger

      Well so much for Ertz breakout year….

      😉

      • daveH

        Nah, just on the highlight reel

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Chiefs. Down 19-13 with 2:17 left in the game. You’ve got all 3 timeouts. Onside or straight up kickoff?

    • Guy Media

      They did that right.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Something’s wrong. 2:17 to go in the 4th and AR had all 3 timeouts left. Is he learning?

  • daveH

    3 concussions on that play. . Anyone getting checked ??

  • SteveH

    Alex Smith missed multiple wide open receivers towards the end of that game. If it were Wentz 3 weeks ago there would be a referendum on his deep accuracy, his overthrows, his mechanics, his field vision, his clutch factor.

    • A_T_G

      And if it was Dak there would be a national conversation about why his OL and Zeke forced him to put the team on his back.

      • SteveH

        lol, and how you can’t expect him to just carry the team, his guys have to help him out.

    • ChoTime

      Well, Alex Smith is already known to have no deep ball, so no extra referendum is needed. There is even a stat, called Adjusted Yards less than EXpected, named after Alex Smith (btw, Sam Bradford and last year’s Wentz was also awful at that stat, though I assume Wentz is looking better this year).

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Was quietly thinking to myself and smiling when I watched that, “Wentz would have made those throws.” 🙂

      • A_T_G

        I thought the same thing during the 49ers final failed drive.

  • GermanEagle

    So skins won by a mere 2 points against the Niners. Didn’t see the game but someone’s got injured from them?

    • A_T_G

      Miners benched their QB in favor of a rookie. Don’t know about an injury.

    • Howie Littlefinger

      Breeland was out. I think we got this one if neither starting CB plays we better win.

      • GermanEagle

        Yes the only thing I caught was #26 limping off the field hence why I was asking.

      • GermanEagle

        Same like the Broncos got this last night?!

        • Howie Littlefinger

          I am so happy the Giants win.. when they are counted out they eem to rise to the challenge.

          Then again when they are heavily favored……. they collapse 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • Guy Media

      That’ll be Monday night. Hopefully Trent Williams suffers double complete tears of every muscle in his shoulders as punishment for all of his full arm extended holding that never gets called.

    • FairOaks

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins-injury-riddled-secondary-gets-banged-up-but-doesnt-break-against-49ers/2017/10/15/54277054-b1ca-11e7-be94-fabb0f1e9ffb_story.html

      “Injured starters Josh Norman and Deshazor Everett were in street clothes, ruled inactive before the game. Bashaud Breeland, the other starting cornerback, was on the sidelines with a knee injury he suffered in the third quarter, and cornerback Fabian Moreau had just tweaked his hamstring.

      Kendall Fuller usually lines up in the slot but he was forced to the outside, a position he never practices, and rookie Joshua Holsey was called into the game for one of the final plays — the first defensive snap of his career coming when Sunday’s stakes could not have been higher.”

      Sounds like Breeland will get an MRI.

  • Guy Media

    Broncos win by 20, 30, 40, or more tonight?

    • Insomniac

      17

      • Guy Media

        Can it be 17-0 with a humiliation of Eli?

        • Insomniac

          No, Goodell doesn’t want to be on Mara’s bad side.

          • Guy Media

            Ok, so we just need him injured so he loses that streak.

          • Insomniac

            Ehh I don’t wish him harm but whatever happens.

          • Guy Media

            I do. Who the fuck does he think he is passing Jaws on the games played list? It is a complete disgrace he’s higher than our guy. He needs punishment.

    • truehaynes

      Damn

  • Insomniac

    I have picks thrown by Eli at over 3.

    • Guy Media

      I like it!

  • P_P_K

    I’m not scrolling through all the comments so excuse me if this has been raised — If you’re Howie, do you offer Nick Foles to the Packers?

    • Guy Media

      Yes. Absolutely. Brett Hundley is a joke.

    • P_P_K

      This is my 14 year-old son’s idea.

    • Bert’s Bells

      I came here just now looking for that very answer.

    • Dave

      If Rodgers is out for the season, no reason to trade for anyone.

    • iceberg584

      We have a team that can do some real damage this year. It’s not like we have another viable backup, and Carson seems to have a predilection towards taking linebackers head on. Foles is essential to this roster.

      • P_P_K

        That’s probably the wise course. For the sake of argument, though, if the Packers feel they have a shot this year with Foles, and Howie can get a Bradford type deal, do you go for it?

        • Guy Media

          YES

        • Someguy77

          Howie isn’t getting any where close to a Bradford-type deal for Foles.

          I’d be stunned if Foles got the Eagles any more than a 5th round pick (maybe a 4th round conditional pick) and that is probably a stretch.

    • Ark87

      rough quote that probably isn’t true: Someone once asked why Payton Manning’s back-up doesn’t get any practice reps. The reply: “If Payton Manning goes down, we’re fucked, and we don’t practice fucked”

      Or in this case, pay for it. You get the idea.

      You make the most of Hundley, gameplan around him and with some upside you might just have some picks coming back your way. Lots of QB hungry teams on the market, and getting hungrier.

      • Insomniac

        Pretty much this. Also they get to see if they have their heir to Rodgers in place if needed.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      If Packers way overpay, which I would put at a 2nd rounder or better, absolutely go for it. But that FO isn’t as stupid as others. Foles just doesn’t seem the guy you bet on to take you on a deep playoff run. I doubt they’ll offer much for Foles beyond a 6th or 7th if they even bother.

    • A_T_G

      Agreeing with the consensus, yes but they won’t.

    • daveH

      The Pack gonna sign the Kaep ? … or Minnesota

      • Guy Media

        nope

      • P_P_K

        Imagine the interview.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        That would be interesting.

        • daveH

          Ha, not now, Kaep filed a collusion grievance ..
          Wonder how they define collusion in order to prove it
          If everyone just wants to stay clear of him based on their own nfl experience it isn’t collusion.
          If there are phone calls discussing him. It’s not collusion.
          If there are agreements in phone calls to not hire him .. thats what they need. .

          Htf can they get that. ..

          Certainly will be more interesting to watch Kaep in court than on the field.

          • Guy Media

            Unless you’re the idiot baseball owners in the 80s, proving collusion is damn near impossible.

          • ChoTime

            We’ll see, if they are able to subpoena records, it could get pretty interesting. I sure wouldn’t put any kind of malfeasance past these a-hole owners.

  • Guy Media

    Denver needs to man up

  • Guy Media

    Barbre doll still doing no blocking.

  • Sean E

    Go Giants!

  • Guy Media

    Really McManus, you turd.

  • A_T_G

    The seeds of discontent were sown last week. Allowing them to germinate and take root quietly while the team enjoys false hope, now, before the inevitable crushing weight of reality causes them to block out the light from that hope will be all the sweeter.

  • Guy Media

    There is a significant amount of money is my suicide pool at play……… CAN DENVER MAKE A FUCKING TACKLE!

    • Guy Media

      FUCK YOU DENVER! FUCKING DIE!

  • Donald Kalinowski

    Who are these idiots that are receptive to these Chevy “real people” commercials

    • Guy Media

      That would make for an interesting research item.

    • Insomniac

      Skynet.

    • P_P_K

      I’m laughing because I completely agree. It’s hard to imagine anyone I know thinking, “Oh yea, those ‘real people’ have convinced me to buy a Chevy.”

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Same ones that are receptive to Coors beer commercials.

      • daveH

        Same ones who vote

      • Guy Media

        Does that include the twins? I’m very receptive to them.

    • A_T_G

      I wonder that about a great many commercials. They must work on someone.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      One of the things I would hypothesize is that commercials like that work on current Chevy owners. They confirm that you made the right choice. Helps build brand loyalty which generates repeat customers. Very important in the auto industry.

      • ChoTime

        One theory of advertising, put forth by The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding, for example, is that advertising is to defend market share, not create it. So I think your hypothesis fits in with that idea. If you have a strong brand (Chevy, doesn’t of course–what exactly, the hell is a Chevy and what does it do well, what sets it apart? but it is still a giant company) you just need to keep hammering on it.

    • Someguy77

      Marketing demographics of most owners who buy most Chevy models – older, slightly less affluent, and heavy skewed to importance of ‘buying American’ when purchasing a new car

      There is actually some subtle unpleasant undertones to the ‘Real people’ demographic that Chevy is advertising to vs ‘others’

      • Guy Media

        ew

  • Dragon_Eagle

    He was down, Zebras, he was down.

    • A_T_G

      That is not even close to a fumble. His arm hits down, but he is already sitting on the ground anyway.

  • A_T_G

    I think announcers severely overestimate the time it takes to run into the end zone when they observe “he’d still be running.”

  • Guy Media
    • Tumtum

      Can’t stand AB being the golden child I guess. He is lucky he has a job as much of an issue as he has made himself.

      • Guy Media

        100% correct.

        • A_T_G

          So we shouldn’t offer Torrey Smith straight up?

          • Guy Media

            No. I want no parts of that drug addict.

  • Someguy77

    McNabb (first 6 games in 2000):

    6 G, 5 GS, 117-202, 57.9% Comp Pct, 1181 Yds, 8 TDs, 6 INTs, 5.85 Y/A, 5.30 AY/A; 31 runs, 217 Yds, 7.0, 2 TDs

    Wentz (first 6 games in 2017):

    6 G, 6 GS, 126-207, 60.9% Comp Pct, 1584 Yds, 13 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.65 Y/A, 8.26 AY/A; 32 runs, 133 Yds, 4.2, 0 TDs

    Wentz isn’t the running threat McNabb was including in the red zone and the amount of designed runs for Wentz seems down this year.

    Passing numbers are just so much more impressive across the board but Wentz also has a lot better receiving talent too.

    • Someguy77

      2000 vs 2017

      TE: C. Lewis < Ertz
      Deep WR threat: Small and later Pinkston < Smith
      Primary WR: C. Johnson < Jeffrey
      Slot WR: Brown/Pinkston/Small < Agholor

      In both cases, the TE was the guy the QB leaned on and was his go-to option. Biggest differences is that the WR corps is notably better across the board.

      The RBs are much more similar especially with the Eagles losing Staley in the 6th game during 2000 and using a mixture of Autry, Pritchett, and others the rest of the way. Eagles lost Sproles in the 3rd game and are using a mixture of Blount, Smallwood, and others.

      Both teams have book end T (Peters/Johnson) around an interior line that is solid enough.

      History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes and the similarities between 2000 and 2017 are really interesting already.

      • Guy Media

        Brian Mitchell > Sproles / >>>> Barner

      • Tumtum

        Do the stats after 5 show Pinkston < Smith? I am kinda smith supporter, but not sure they would.

        • Guy Media

          Smith draws way more significant coverage than Pinky ever did.

        • Someguy77

          PInkston was a rookie (through first 6 G):

          6 G – 7 rec, 64 yds (19 targets)

          Smith

          6 G – 14 rec, 210 yds, 1 TD (25 targets)

          If I recall correctly, the Eagles used a lot of 2 WR sets still in 2000 and almost never went 4 WRs.

          • Someguy77

            I played plenty of drunk Madden with that 2000 Eagles team and there was minimal deep passing plays in that game because both Small/Johnson were slow and didn’t accelerate & McNabb’s accuracy sucked.

            McNabb had great throwing power so I would always go out and trade for a really fast young WR & build up his stats along with Pinkston, move Small to a slot WR, and use Johnson for as a key bench warmer.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      DP >>> AR

    • Tumtum

      Nice info

    • ChoTime

      Some context:

      The first number is the average QB for 2005, the second the average QB for 2015.

      Average attempts 431, 496
      Completion% 61%, 64%
      Yards/Attempt: 6.8, 7.2
      Interception rate: 2.6, 2.0
      Passer rating: 85, 92

      You can see there has been a lot of change (and 2004 actually had a spike in QB rating.

  • P_P_K

    It please me to think DRC would have intercepted that pass.

  • TO BLACKS

    I TOOK A NASTY & SMELLY SHIT

  • Someguy77

    Most interesting thing today is the progress that S. Jones is making and it being very realistic that both he and Darby might be active and available after the bye.

    Still dubious Jones will be able to meaningfully contribute this year but that would be a huge lift to the CB position. Potentially goes to even an above average/good unit if Mills moves to a reserve role and Robinson continues to play well including in the slot.

    • Guy Media

      Jones needs to be frozen out to protect our cap hit on him for the extra year.

    • daveH

      If Jones can exercise this season only means more strength next season

    • kajomo

      Jones will not be taking the starting spot from Mills. He’ll be lucky to see any meaningful snaps this year barring injury. Darby will provide the boost and the experience will benefit Jones for next season

  • Guy Media

    FUCK YOU DENVER

  • A_T_G
    • Guy Media

      Denver losing = money out of my pocket. There will be things said!

  • A_T_G

    So were they saying earlier that wackAdoo gave up play calling after saying he never would a week ago?

  • Someguy77

    Amazing how winning the Panthers’ game has started to change the discussion on the Eagles.

    Easily the most upbeat I can remember since probably coming off the Thanksgiving thrashing of the Cowboys in 2014 to move to 9-3 (best record in the NFC at the time).

    • Guy Media

      Agreed, so lets keep this rolling.

      • Someguy77

        Losing on MNF to the Skins will take the wind out of the sails a bit but going into the bye at 6-2 will be just fine.

        • Guy Media

          No, it won’t be fine at all. Losing a let down game to Denver or San Fran would be ok, but losing the chance to completely and totally bury a division opponent via a season sweep of them would represent a failure of the most contemptible type.

        • Howie Littlefinger

          Did u see them play the 9ers

          Eagles are legit. Yeah they have some worts but no more than any other team.

  • truehaynes

    Damn i made a last minute lineup in fanduel duel and put 14 bucks in a few 50/50 leagues and one small tournament and it’s hit 155 already with engram still playing. I’m chasing 250 on the one tournament but if i had just put in a little more money this week or hadn’t done the stupid 50/50s i could have made thousands

    • SteveH

      Been there, done that. Always enter at least a few tournaments every time now.

  • SteveH

    So how much does missing on Paxton Lynch hurt the Broncos? Even a middle of the road QB could take that team to the super bowl with those weapons and that defense.

    • FairOaks

      He wasn’t ready to be a starter, but Lynch got injured (throwing shoulder) in preseason and hasn’t played since (and reports out there he may need surgery and miss the rest of the season). While the odds aren’t great, not sure I’d label him a bust based on the injury.

  • Someguy77

    The #Eagles have 8 games remaining against NFC opponents, who own a combined record of 14-24. pic.twitter.com/zjZ51yXE3i— Matt Lombardo (@MattLombardoPHL) October 15, 2017

  • A_T_G

    If the Giants win the rest of their games, except against us obviously, they will still finish three games behind us.

  • Someguy77

    Some schmuck on ESPN radio saying the Packers can weather the storm as they did in 2013. They went 2-4-1 without Rodgers.

    I bet they win 2 more games and finish 6-10. McCarthy will get finally exposed in the process.

  • TO BLACKS

    JENKINS IS GOING TO BLOW OUT HIS NI GGER ACL