Game Review – PHI 31, CHI 3

Posted: December 2nd, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 255 Comments »

Sometimes a 31-3 blowout over a bad team can mean a boring, uneventful game. That wasn’t the case on Sunday. The Eagles dominated the Bears and it was clear from very early on that Chicago had no chance. There were some odd moments that kept the game some combination of interesting and entertaining.

LeGarrette Blount had his best hurdle of the year, flying over a DB.

Nelson Agholor had his best flip as an Eagle and it gave him a cool TD.

Jay Ajayi had another long run for a TD. Kind of. He fumbled and Agholor recovered it for the score.

The Eagles had 3 interceptions. Kind of. One was overturned by replay. Malcolm Jenkins had a legit one, but fumbled the ball back to the Bears.

It wasn’t a game that will be talked about for years to come, but that’s kind of a cool thing. This team can go win a game by 28 points and it’s no big deal. Just some dominant defense and methodical offense. 31-3 win. Yawn.

The real story in this game was the defense. Jim Schwartz’s crew held Chicago to 140 yards and 3 points. The Bears had 14 run plays for…6 yards. They needed an 11-yard scramble late in the game to get to positive yards. The Eagles front seven was stifling. The long run of the day by a RB was Jordan Howard getting 4 yards. Tarik Cohen, the explosive rookie, had a long run of one yard. That’s pretty crazy.

The coaches have a lot to clean up from this game. 11 penalties. 4 fumbles. Sloppy kickoff coverage.

The Eagles were the better team and it showed. They also played harder, with more emotion and more energy.

COACHING

Doug Pederson didn’t have a lot of strategic decisions to make. The kicker stayed healthy and the Eagles played with the lead all game long. He did go for it on three 4th downs, but they were all no-brainers. Deciding when to pull Wentz and put in Nick Foles might have been the toughest decision.

The offensive gameplan featured Zach Ertz and that worked well. There were also a lot of bootlegs. Those did not work well. Chicago covered well and their defenders stayed with Wentz when he moved out wide. The Eagles went for it on 4th/6. I thought Pederson made the right call to do that, but he called a rollout play and no one was open. Terrible call. I hate shrinking the field when you need 6 yards. Also took away Wentz’s ability to run because the sideline becomes a 12th defender.

Jim Schwartz didn’t have to be very creative. He kept things simple and let his guys get the best of the rookie QB and the Bears marginal weapons. The Eagles played great defense. 

PLAYERS

Carson Wentz had a good game, but wasn’t great. 23-36-227. He threw 3 TDs and wasn’t picked off.

The highlight play came on a 3rd/9 situation. Blitzing DB came free off the edge. Wentz was supposed to throw screen to his left, but didn’t have time due to the blitzer. Wentz spun away from the DB and ran for a gain of 16. Thought he might go all the way for a minute. Plays like that show you how smart he is, but also how physically gifted.

Wentz hit Ertz for easy TD. Eagles had a good play called against that coverage and Ertz was wide open over the middle. Wentz looked to the other side initially to keep the S from getting over. Looked like he made good read on RPO on play where Agholor got his TD. Slot DB blitzed and left Agholor wide open. RAC yards then got the TD. Wentz hit Jeffery with a good touch throw for a short TD. Also put the ball up high where his big WR could go get it. Used a pump fake to freeze the DB and that helped Jeffrey get so open.

My favorite throw came when he hit Jeffery along the left sideline for a gain of 16. The DB had his back to Wentz so he put the ball up and let AJ go over the DB for the grab.

There were some bad moments as well. Wentz hit Jeffery along the sideline for 14 yards on 3rd/8 on TD drive. Got lucky that the DB fell down or that could have been broken up, possibly picked up. You like the result, but that’s not a smart throw. There was a 3rd down play where Ertz was wide open over the middle and Wentz threw it over his head. Wentz had another throw to the sideline that was easily broken up. Wasn’t a smart throw. There was an odd throw to Barner late in the half. I hope Wentz was just trying to get rid of the ball. Had Barner caught it, he would have been tackled and the clock would have run out.

Wentz was sacked once. I normally don’t like it when QBs take sacks, but that was a smart decision. The Eagles were in FG range and he had multiple defenders around him. That wasn’t the time to try to get rid of the ball. Give up a couple of yards and don’t take the chance.

He converted on a couple of QB sneaks. One of them was tough. Wentz was 5-29 on the ground.

Nick Foles played well when he was in the game. He was 3-3-21. There was a fumble as he tried handing the ball to Blount late in the game. Not completely sure who was at fault.

RB

LeGarrette Blount was the workhorse, going 15-97. He had runs of 35 and 22 yards. The 35-yard run was impressive, as Blount fought tacklers who tried to bring him down. Unfortunately, one of them managed to strip the ball away. His highlight play came when he leaped over a DB on the 22-yard run. 250-pound runners aren’t supposed to do that. Good blitz pickup on RZ pass play.

Jay Ajayi was somewhat quiet. He was 5-26, with a long run of 30 yards. There are times when I question his vision on lateral runs. Goes where the play is supposed to, but will pass up chances to cut up the field early. Highlight was his 30 yard run that got the ball near the goal line, but he was stripped of the ball. Luckily Agholor recovered for the score. Ajayi now has a run of at least 30 yards in all three games as an Eagle. Big time talent. Caught one pass for 7 yards.

Corey Clement was 4-27 on the ground. Caught one pass for 12 yards. No TDs.

Kenjon Barner didn’t play much at RB. No touches. Had one pass come his way.

WR

Alshon Jeffery played well against his former team. He was 5-52-1. Made a great catch down the left sideline. DB had his back to the QB and Wentz put the ball up where AJ could go get it. Caught it for gain of 16. Had an easy TD. Got behind LB and was open. Had to go up for ball, but wasn’t as hard with no defender right on him. AJ has now had three good games in a row.

Torrey Smith was 4-30. He drew holding call late in the half on 3rd down pass play. That helped to set up a TD.

Nelson Agholor had a good game. Made a couple of big time plays. Caught short pass in the 2nd Qtr and then ran 15 yards for a TD. Made the first DB miss and then did a flip over the next one and landed in the end zone. Great effort. Didn’t seem to locate a deep ball. Pass wasn’t that far away, but didn’t make much of an effort to catch it. Caught pass over the middle on the next play. Made the hustle play of the year when he saw Ajayi fumble and ran over to recover for the TD. Not all WRs hustle downfield on run plays.

Mack Hollins was 2-12. Open for TD in the 2nd Qtr on post route, but Wentz was off target. Hollins drew flag since DB held him a bit on the play.

TE

Zach Ertz delivered the Eagles first 100-yard receiving game of the year, going 10-103-1. Wentz fed him the ball all over. The TD was easy. Ertz ran a good route and was wide open. Caught pop pass for 13 yards. Long play went for 22 yards. My friend Jimmy Bama thought Ertz went down too easy at the end of that play and I think that’s fair criticism. Ertz had some good blocks in the run game.

Brent Celek had a terrific game as a blocker. The Eagles used him multiple times on wham/trap plays and he was very effective. Celek was called for holding on 2nd Qtr run. Questionable call. Dropped pass over the middle.

OL

Lane Johnson had another strong game. Didn’t start out great. Had a bad sequence on opening drive. Beaten by Hicks for TFL and then had false start to create 3rd/18. Settled in after that and was good in the run and pass game.

Halapoulivaati Vaitai was up and down. Got called for holding a couple of times and both were legit. Failed to pick up a DL looping wide and that guy hit Wentz. 93 got under his pads and used power to move Big V back a few times in pass pro. Blocked a couple of guys on Blount run in the late 1st. Beaten by swim move late in the half and holding call wiped out long run by Wentz. Vaitai continues to improve in the run game.

Jason Kelce had a good game. He had a really good block on the second QB sneak. Good block on screen pass. Did a really good job against the NT throughout the game.

Stefen Wisniewski was outstanding on the 2nd level. Tried to trap Akiem Hicks early and got stuffed. Got moved back at times in pass pro. Made a terrific reach block on DL on 4th/1. Was able to seal him and give the RB room to run.

Brandon Brooks had another outstanding game. Had a really good pass block in the 2nd Qtr. Rushed looped inside and Brooks peeled off his DL and got a shot on the LB to keep Wentz clean. Good awareness, agility. Great block of Hicks on run by Clement. Actually had multiple impressive blocks of Hicks, who is a terrific DL. Brooks was able to control him one-on-one and even get movement on several plays.

Isaac Seumalo played as the #3 TE in some sets. He took over at RT late in the game. Looked okay. Good effort.

Chance Warmack played some LG in the 4th quarter. Just doesn’t use his hands well.

*****

DL

Vinny Curry had a good game. Drew a holding call by exploding into the backfield and forcing the LT to grab him. Blew up a 3rd Qtr run by driving the LT backward. Blew up end around for loss of 12 yards. Killed a promising drive. Did have an offside penalty.

Fletcher Cox had another strong showing. Stat sheet shows one sack and that’s it, but the game tape shows a lot more. Cox got pressure on 2 of the first 3 plays. Both ended in bad throws. Chicago tried to trick him as the Eagles did David Irving last week. Cox got into the backfield and tackled the RB. Wham/trap blocks only work if you actually block the guy. Cox regularly pushed his blockers back toward Trubisky. Was absolutely dominant at times in the 2nd half. Regularly destroyed the pocket.

Brandon Graham had 5 solot tackles, a sack and a FF. Used hard inside move to get by TE on 3rd/short and hit RB in the backfield. Had an interesting couple of plays in the 3rd Qtr. Dropped back on zone blitz on 3rd/long. Chicago converted. Beat the RT for a strip sack on 1st down on very next play. CHI recovered the fumble.

Tim Jernigan was a force against the run. He was in on 3 tackles and helped to control the middle. Jernigan beat the LG with a wicked swim move and held RB to minimal gain. Shed LG on 3rd/short and helped to stuff RB for a loss.

Derek Barnett played well. He didn’t make the stat sheet, but got pressure on multiple plays. Just missed a strip sack in the 3rd Qtr. Trubisky got rid of the ball half a second before Barnett could get it. Drew a holding call on the LT on a run play.

Chris Long also played well. Bears ran TE delay/screen to Long’s side. Long read it and got TFL on the play. Got hit on QB on 3rd/long and forced quick throw. Good pressure on pass plays.

Destiny Vaeao had a good pass rush on play where offense was backed up to end zone. Trubisky got rid of the ball before Vaeao could get to him. No tackles. Had an offside penalty.

Elijah Qualls was the #4 DT. Quiet game. Got into backfield on run play. Showed quickness. Offside penalty.

LB

Mychal Kendricks had 3 solo tackles. No real highlight plays because the Bears offense struggled to get the ball past the DL.

Nigel Bradham also had a quiet game. Just one tackle.

Joe Walker played MLB. No tackles for him. Suffered a stinger injury and left the game.

Najee Goode came in when Walker got hurt. Was in on a couple of run stops right away.

Kamu Grugier-Hill played LB late. He was in on 2 tackles and played fast.

S

Malcolm Jenkins picked off a pass, giving him a pick in consecutive games. Unfortunately he got stripped while trying for a return. That was one of the Bears biggest gains of the game. TFL on 2nd Qtr run. Was unblocked and RB came to him. Easy play for Malc.

Rodney McLeod had a quiet game. Bears didn’t so much over the middle.

Corey Graham was in on 2 tackles and picked off a pass late in the game.

CB

Ronald Darby had a ton of plays come his way. Trubisky seemed to have his mind made up that he was going to his left. Darby helped to break up a pass that Jenkins picked off in the 1st Qtr. Made good  tackle of Cohen after quick throw to keep him short of the sticks. Bears then got stuffed on 3rd/short. Too passive on 3rd/14. Let Bears complete pass in front of him for 1st down. Finished with 5 tackles. Up and down in coverage.

Patrick Robinson had one tackle.

Jalen Mills didn’t get much action. His highlight came when he broke up a deep ball. Could have been INT, but that was a tough catch as he had to extend for the ball over his head. Had one tackle.

Rasul Douglas broke up 2 passes and had 2 tackles. Thought he had a pick late in the game, but replay showed the ball hit the ground.

*****

ST

KOR – no KORs.

PR – Kenjon Barner had one PR for 17 yards.

Donnie Jones – Only punted twice. Both were downed inside the 20. Averaged 43.5 yards per punt.

Punt at 9.

Jake Elliott – Great game. No concussions and didn’t miss any extra points.

MISC –

Joe Walker downed a punt at the 9.

Steven Means was active and made his presence known on STs. Got pressure off the edge on the first punt of the game. Looked like he lost contain on opening KO of 2nd half, when Chicago had long return. Got pressure on another punt.

Clement did a good job on KO in 1st half. Blew up blocker and knocked him back into returner.

Derek Barnett had a chance to block the FG! He got into the backfield and just missed the ball. So close to a shutout!!!

***

GAMEBOOK

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  • Masked Man

    I have been liking those O line breakdowns from Fran Duffy and also Brian Baldinger. That O line coaching has been awesome.

    Whams, Traps, Tackle Overs… make our blocking schemes successful every week. Looking for more of that Sunday night!

    • Guy Media

      Seattle’s front 7 is going to be a strong test for our blocking for sure.

      • Masked Man

        Gonna be a battle in the trenches tomorrow.

        • daveH

          Yes it shud be and will feel like a close game but think we squeeze it out 28-14

  • RC5000

    Memphis WR Anthony Miller is balling vs. UCF. 11 Catches, 154 yards, 2TDs.

    TIED AT 48 off nice catch by Miller over CB. 4:07 left

    Here’s a great catch vs. UCONN in October. Unfortunately, he won’t be there in 4th and I’m thinking OL probably OT in 1st.

    https://youtu.be/HC259Ax-QB4?t=37s

    Holds the Memphis single-season record for receiving yards, passing the mark set by Isaac Bruce. Miller and Bruce are the only 2 Memphis 1,000 yard, single season receivers in school history

    • Guy Media

      Don’t worry about not being there in the 4th; Howie has a trade down from the first and some existing players he can move to get us some extra picks.

      • RC5000

        Definitely trade down is a good possibility I agree. You’re gonna hate this OSU comp but Terry Glenn used to do that shit…short receiver who’d catch the ball with guys draped all over him.

        • Insomniac

          Kinda reminds me of Reggie Wayne

        • Guy Media

          Glenn is pre-hatred of OSU for me, so it’s cool.

    • unhinged

      I say he goes first round. Man is a player.

    • RC5000
  • Masked Man

    Here’s Mike Florio at Profootballtalk today:

    “Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the deal will result in
    more than $26 million being fully guaranteed to Jeffery if he’s still
    on the roster on the third day of the 2018 league year. If he’s not,
    he’ll walk away with $14 million in new money for, essentially, the
    final five games of the regular season and however many playoff games
    the Eagles play.

    Here’s the full breakdown of the new deal:

    1. Signing bonus of $6.25 million.

    2. $1 million prorated base salary for the balance of the 2017
    season, fully guaranteed. (His existing 2017 salary was unchanged.)

    3. $6.5 million option bonus for 2018, fully guaranteed at signing.

    4. $1.25 million base salary for 2018, fully guaranteed at signing.

    5. $250,000 workout bonus for 2018, fully guaranteed.

    6. $11.75 million base salary for 2019, guaranteed for injury at
    signing. It becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2018 league
    year.

    7. $250,000 workout bonus for 2019, fully guaranteed.

    8. $12.75 million base salary for 2020, $1 million of which is
    guaranteed for injury at signing. The $1 million becomes fully
    guaranteed on the third day of the 2019 league year.

    9. $250,000 workout bonus for 2020.

    10. $12.75 million base salary for 2021.

    11. $250,000 workout bonus for 2021.

    12. $1 million in incentives, and $3 million in escalators. (Of the
    $4.5 million in incentives under his current deal, Jeffery had reached
    $250,000.)”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/02/alshon-jeffery-will-have-26-million-fully-guaranteed-by-march/

    • Guy Media

      This deal is below market by a ton! Nice work Howie.

      • Masked Man

        Howie is pure genius with these contracts.

    • Tumtum

      I actually don’t hate this at all. Really a 2 year commitment. Perfect. Incentive to not take 3-6 games off a year is there.

    • D3FB

      So in after 2019 he’s going to have $3.5 mil in dead money left?

      Best I can tell from this his cap hits are:
      2017: $11mil
      2018: $9.25 mil
      2019: $13.25 mil
      2020: $14.25 mil vs $3.5 mil dead money
      2021: $14.25 mil vs. $1.25 mil dead money

      I really don’t want to hear any griping about this being a bad deal.

      • Insomniac

        *mumble mumble* Bradham better be resigned *mumble mumble*

        • Masked Man

          Haha. Gotta have something to complain about…

        • Fufina

          Not sure Bradham will be back, and if he is i would expect Kendricks to be cut or traded to make space for him.

          Eagles have invested massively in the DL and especially the interior with huge money for Cox and Jernigan, you cannot justify spending that kind of $$ at LB on Bradham, Kendricks and a possible extension for Hicks for 2019.

          Personally it wouldn’t shock me if they let Bradham walk and trade Kendricks and then look to LB in the draft.

          • Insomniac

            It makes zero sense to get rid of any of our starting LBs and drafting one close to their caliber is so unlikely with our record. Hicks is injury prone and hasn’t been consistent. Bradham might be the oldest but he has shown no signs of slowing down. Kendricks fits the scheme with his speed and down field ability. If they were so easy to replace they would have done so already.

          • RC5000

            Snap count leaders on D:

            Mills 678
            Jenkins 676
            Bradham 657 (94.26%)

            Letting Kendricks (392 snaps) go is a no-brainer if we need to in order to sign Bradham. Same with Celek who only played 314 snaps (or a renegotiate). It’s far easier to find a blocking TE who can catch a little.

        • daveH

          i just got myself an xmas present for the final push..a design your own t-shirt off the eagle website.. 50bucks and i took Bradham!!

          • Insomniac

            Hope you can keep your investment.

        • D3FB

          mumble mumble Linebackers are relatively fungible and he’s been an average starter before a contract year fuck paying 8 mil a year for a 29 year old 43 lb mumble mumble

          • Fufina

            Agreed – you just cannot spend huge money at LB when you have spent so much on your DL and especially @DT.

            Hicks is the best LB by far when healthy, and the on field captain of the defense – he is the one we need to keep and resign imho.

          • Insomniac

            He wasn’t this year. Bradham is by far our best LB this year.

          • Insomniac

            grumble grumble well maybe he finally turned the corner and we can’t really replace him yet grumble grumble

          • D3FB

            You can’t pay all 22.

            You can let Bradham walk and still improve the LB corps for minimal cap space.
            -Trade for Kwiatkowski (Douglas drafted)
            -Take one in the 4th or 5th
            – Throw some cash around looking for a UDFA gem

            For the low low price of 2 day three picks and 75K udfa bonus you’ve slightly worse for the few hundred plays a year of 3 LBs but drastically improved your depth

          • meteorologist

            Can’t upvote. Lack of “mumble mumble”

        • CrackSammich

          I think the priority should be paying Hicks next year. If we pay Bradham big boy money, you put yourself in the position of having to get rid of Kendricks *and* overallocating yourself at LB when Hicks gets his real contract. Bradham is killing it, but so is Kendricks. If one has to walk, I’d say it should be the guy with the looming suspension and no contract in hand.

          • wee2424

            What suspension?

          • CrackSammich

            Cabana incident.

          • wee2424

            Would have happened by now. I’m pretty sure he is in the clear by now regarding that.

      • Masked Man

        Looks like Alshon and the Eagles can separate due to injury after this season for only $14m. Can separate after 2019 for $27m, the guararanteed money.

      • Guy Media

        Who on earth would call this a bad deal?

        • D3FB

          You apparently didn’t read the last post. Half a dozen people whining or saying Bradham is more important.

          • Guy Media

            Really? Wow. Howie got Alshon below market AAV and with a year less than most other guys get; you do that deal 10 out of 10 times.

  • RC5000

    This could be good news for us as Green Bay plays Minnesota Dec. 23 at home. Even if Packers are out of it maybe they’ll want to play spoiler. We might have home field advantage throughout sewn up by then:

    Aaron Rodgers’ birthday was cause for celebration on Saturday — not because the Green Bay Packers quarterback turned 34, but because he practiced for the first time since breaking his collarbone on Oct. 15.

    Rodgers still can’t play for at least two more weeks because of the injured reserve rules, but the Packers activated him off injured reserve Saturday. It opens the door for him to play on Dec. 17 at Carolina.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21643023/green-bay-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-practices-first-oct-15

    • Guy Media

      And slam the door on Carolina via a big Green Bay win!

    • Insomniac

      I highly doubt they’ll rush Rodgers back if there’s nothing to play for. If they won that Steelers game then they had a chance but they choked at the end.

      • RC5000

        Well maybe there will be something to play for. They’re at home vs. Bucs and at Cleveland. Seattle and Atlanta have tough schedules. Carolina has at Saints. Vikings . and G Bay so they could both be 8-6. We’re going to beat Seattle.

        So if they’re within a game they won’t give up.

        • Insomniac

          Bucs
          Browns
          Panthers
          Vikings
          Lions

          Even if they win all of their games, they need huge favors from the rest of the NFC. They at best can be 10-6, which is very unlikely since they are also playing 3 teams chasing a playoff spot. If you want a wildcard spot right now you gotta be 11-5.

          • RC5000

            I don’t agree it’s very unlikely with Aaron Rodgers.That’s not an impossible schedule with Rodgers. Obviously it’s a long shot but you’re talking about Aaron Rodgers. He could go 3-0, that’s not that crazy.

            I think teams could go 3-2 and 2-3 to go 10-6 with the fairly hard schedule but we’re concerned about them not being eliminated.with 2 weeks left.

            It’s still a possibility and that’s all I care about to qualify for good news.

          • RC5000

            Minnesota could eat Atlanta though Atl is favored.
            N Orleans is favored over Carolina.
            Eagles are favored over Seattle.
            Baltmore is favored over Detroit.
            G Bay is favored over T Bay.

            So if that happened,

            Carolina would be 8-4 vs. Minn next
            Atlanta 7-5 vs. N. Orleans next
            Seattle 7-5 at Jacksonville next
            Dallas 6-6
            Green Bay 6-6 with Cleveland next
            Detroit 6-6

            So there could be 1 8-5 team and 5 7-6 teams very realistically . Even if it doesn’t all happen, they could be within a game of the last spot.

          • Masked Man

            Falcons are hot though. Julio was smoking hot last week. What? 12 catches for 200 yards or something?

    • CrackSammich

      I had no idea Rodgers is that old.

      • RC5000

        Maybe cause he sat behind Favre for 3 years or something like that?

  • Insomniac
    • Masked Man

      Hahaha. “Destined for Greatness!”

    • D3FB

      You’d think he was the Fed Chairman the way he fiats money.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Seahawks have their backs up against a wall. Disrespected by being 6 point underdogs at home. They’ll come to play. Seattle 41 Eagles 10

    • P_P_K

      Eagles 31-17. Talk to you Monday.

  • CrackSammich

    Re: Alshon’s deal

    Without Alshon, we don’t have a #1 on the roster. To get another guy would cost us in the same ballpark of money. Money should not be an argument against him. The only question is whether or not he is a #1. I say yes. Fight me.

    And as always, it isn’t my money, so *shrug*

    • Guy Media

      But they didn’t even pay market rate for a #1 WR; that’s the best part.

      • CrackSammich

        They did and they didn’t. Howie writes contracts with a heavy upfront signing bonus and final years with heavy cap hits no dead money. Meaning that they probably pay *more* than the going rate over the practical length of the contract than the player might get elsewhere. If they’re worth the money, Howie will just do that again in year 3 of the 6 year contract and the salary cap works again.

        EDIT: If you look at this chart, they show that we spend the most on players. Their assumption is that makes us dumb with money, and maybe we are, but it makes Howie really smart for being able to make it possible:

        https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-nflpa-salary-cap-chart-shows-patriots-are-money-smart-eagles-arent/

        • Guy Media

          AAV is $13 mil, Alson would have exceed that on the open market.

          • CrackSammich

            Right, but that’s what I mean. His cap hit is $13mil/yr, but it reality, he’s getting all the actual money except for a few million in the first few years of that contract, and then everyone knows it will be torn up before the heavy cap hits in year 3-4. So it’s $13mil/yr for 4 years, but in reality is $23mil/yr for 2 years. Which is way more than he’s worth on open market.

          • Duracell

            Where the hell are you getting $23m/year over the first 2 years? It sounded like $26m of the contract was base salary only over the last 2 years…

    • RC5000

      He is a #1 to me despite the stats and they can spread the ball around without him crying so far so it’s not a totally bad thing he’s not putting up huge numbers in receptions & receiving yards. I really think defenses worry about him too.

      He’s a red zone WR and I like him on slants which is a bread and butter throw for CW. He’s not gonna run away from defenders and separation is a weakness.

      My concern was his injury history but you have to roll the dice while we develop young guys. And he and Agholor complement each other pretty well.

      I don’t like the idea of Carson not having him which is a roundabout way of saying things but I can’t picture us not missing a beat without AJ yet anyway.

      • P_P_K

        I am hopeful he and Carson are just getting in synch and the future is going to be very bright.

        • RC5000

          Yeah I agree. I think Wentz was a bit dependent on Ertz. We have a run/pass balance too.

          It’s not like we’re a heavy pass offense like some Luck & Indy and Packers & Rodgers led offenses. I just want consistency as much as possible.

      • A_T_G

        A guy that commands attention from the defense, but doesn’t get upset when that attention leads to the ball going to teammates. That might be Alshon’s most rare and valuable trait.

        • ColorSgt

          Yeah the fact that he didn’t complain when things were slow at the beginning is a good sign. This is a “show me” year where he needs the numbers to get paid.

  • RC5000

    Wild turf thing in BIG 10 Championship . The seam on the end zone line came unzipped and turf popped way up a foot or two like someone pulling up a carpet. It’s delayed while they fix it. Never saw that before.

    • ColorSgt

      Yeah that was strange. Too bad it didn’t lead to OSU losing.

  • Masked Man

    “Winning championships, that’s most important to me. A
    lot of players make a lot of money, but some of them never make the
    playoffs, never get to experience a lot of things. Like being here in
    Philly, the atmosphere where we all want that for each other. We all
    want to go to the playoffs. We all want to win a championship. We’re all
    together.” ~ Alshon Jeffery

    • Someguy77

      “Win today and we walk together forever” was wrote by Fred Shero on a blackboard during the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals and it seems very much to apply to this team.

      Even crusty Schwartz has been much more animated and interacting with his players in a positive manner with the defense now getting into the scripted celebrations.

      • Masked Man

        One of the great Philly sports quotes!

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  • Guy Media

    I’m sure Tommy will have a game day post up soon, but I’m really mixed about today’s game.

    Straight up X and O / player for player; we should win.
    Russell Wilson / bad prior results vs. Seattle; scares me.

  • Guy Media

    I need some gambling advice. I’m in a suicide pool with a collective or coworkers. We have two entries left out of the 8 that are left in total in the pool. It was a re-entry pool due to the first one being won earlier than normal.

    Who should we take as our two entries this week?
    Our one card has already used Titans, Vikings, Jags, Lions, Saints, Eagles.
    the other has already used Eagles, Chiefs, Saints, Titans, Jags, Patriots.

    I’m thinking Chargers over Browns in LA and Raiders of Giants in Oakland.

    Your guy’s thoughts?

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Those look good. Raiders would have me nervous though. What about Steelers over Bengals?

      • Guy Media

        I’m hoarding the Steelers for week 17 vs. when they’re hosting the Browns. Card 1 is mine.

        My general plan is week 14 will be Houston over Niners, Bengals over Bears, or Bills over Colts. All 3 of my possibles are home teams.

        Week 15 plan is Lions over Bears in Detriot.
        16 – Patriots over Buffalo in NE
        17 – Steelers at home vs. Browns as I said.

      • A_T_G

        Yeah, the Raiders are a risk. They are without Crabtree and Cooper is limping into the game.

    • Masked Man

      Chargers is a sure bet. Can’t tell if the Giants will dig deep or if the Raiders feel like playing today. Injuries too.

  • Masked Man

    In Philly, Fox has Vikings at Falcons 1pm and Panthers at Saints 4pm. Wow! NFC showdowns!

    • Guy Media

      Falcons win, Saints win.

      And I was going to RAGE on Fox 29 locally if they tried to put on Giants/Raiders instead of Saints/Panthers.

      • Masked Man

        It’s 12 hours before the game, Guy. I’m already wide awake and hyped for the Eagles! I usually try to pace myself on game days.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      I know right? Today’s slate is awesome. Bought a pick-your-own six pack of IPAs to thoroughly enjoy a day of pigskin indulgence.

      • Guy Media

        What did you get?

        • Dragon_Eagle

          Selection. Starting my day with a Founders’ All Day IPA.

          • Guy Media

            Good deal.

    • meteorologist

      Best set of games all year maybe including our game

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Your week 13 rooting guide. You’re welcome. (Will repost to Tommy’s next thread – since he always posts 5 minutes after I put time into a post here.)

    Minnesota (9-2) v Atlanta (7-4). Falcons. Clearly the 2nd most important game of the weekend for us. The Falcons, should they win, will leap up to being our biggest threat in the playoffs.

    Houston (4-7) v. Tennessee (7-4). Titans. Let all the crappy AFC teams continue to free fall and take a bunch of the good picks before they get to our NFC rivals.

    Kansas City (6-5) v. NY Jets (4-7). (Sigh) Chiefs. Good lord, Andy. WTF are you doing? I want to root for you in the hopes you get your act together and knock off somebody actually good in the AFC, but you’re making it hard when you crap the bed every week. The laundering bills for the sheets are getting to be too much.

    Denver (3-8) v. Miami (4-7). Dolphins. This game is ugly, ugly, ugly. Denver needs a QB and they are not in the NFC. Let them tank properly.

    Indianapolis (3-7) v. Jacksonville (7-4). Jags. Despite the loss to the Cardinals, the Jags could pull off a surprise in the playoffs. Also, looks like Indy will need a new QB, so let them get a better pick than the NY Giants.

    Tampa Bay (4-8) v. Green Bay (5-6). Bucs. I think Tampa could give us all an early Holiday gift by ensuring that Aaron Rodgers and his dog get lots of time to thoroughly enjoy that pick up truck through a long offseason. They can take Clay Matthews with them.

    Detroit (6-5) v. Baltimore (6-5). Ravens. Tough call. Should Detroit manage to sneak into the playoffs, they won’t scare anyone. Nor would they be any help in taking down a competent team (Minnesota, New Orleans, Atlanta, LAR, Carolina). Their only value would be in displacing one of the aforementioned teams from a playoff spot. I’d rather the competent teams beat each other up in the wild card round. Baltimore, while cover your eyes bad on offense, has a history of beating the 2 really good teams in the AFC. So, they can contribute to the cause on that side.

    New England* (9-2) v. Buffalo (6-5). Buffalo. Tom Brady* is a vampire. Vampires are evil. And they cheat.

    Carolina (8-3) v. New Orleans (8-3). Panthers. Huge game. We hold the tiebreaker over the Panthers. We beat them in their house. A trip to New Orleans for us would suck on many levels. Make the Saints win on the road from the start. Panthers need this game to even up the tiebreakers with the Saints.

    Cleveland (0-11) v. LA Chargers (5-6). Chargers. The Chargers look like they could knock off a really good team, should they get into the playoffs. Cleveland, as an organization, does not deserve a win. That kind of incompetence should not be rewarded.

    San Francisco (1-10) v. Chicago (3-8). Bears. San Fran needs to maintain draft position. In the event that Cleveland actually decides to select a QB (who will be a bust even if he’s got more talent than Joe Montana, purely by playing for the Browns), we want SF to fleece the Giants for a king’s ransom in draft picks so they can select another Geno Smith with a top 3 pick.

    NY Giants (2-9) v. Oakland (5-6). Giants. That was physically difficult to type, but now that the Giants have clearly stated they are ready to move on from Eli, let it be as costly as possible for them to get the QB they want. On a sad note, Manning face 😮 will be missed.

    LA Rams (8-3) v. Arizona (5-6). Cardinals. Expose the frauds.

    Pittsburgh (9-2) v. Cincinnati (5-6). Bengals. Good luck with that.

    Bonus material:

    Washington (5-6) v Dallas (5-6). Dallas (ok, so we know the outcome). Let the Eagles get the division by winning at Seattle and not having Washington give it to them. Earn it. It will taste that much sweeter.

    The 2017 Rule Book. If you can’t remember all that above, the general guidelines are as follows in order of importance.

    1) GO EAGLES!

    1a) Dallas sucks.

    2) Division rivals must not win, except in rare instances. E.g. facing each other with one of them threatening to make the playoffs.

    3) Down with the rest of the NFC.

    4) The Patriots cheat; AND

    5) Steelers fans do not deserve anything good to happen to them ever again. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4918adb488c94fe84ce9eae40253ba7ab63a37b6729dd3be66bf276e6a3ff7c2.jpg

    • ColorSgt

      I still can’t believe Manning isn’t playing. I really expected the Giants to back their way into starting him because of how poorly it was all handled.

    • Guy Media

      Can’t abide by a Carolina win. I also see Saints losing elsewhere. Won’t matter hopefully if we stay at one loss.

      • kajomo

        Go CAM NEWTON!!!!!!!!

        Jk

        • Guy Media

          ha ha ha ha!

      • Sean E

        I finally got around to showing my wife that video of Cam shitting on that female reporter. He really sounded like a scumbag, can’t believe that wasn’t a bigger thing.

        • Guy Media

          He’s complete trash.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        I know. You have a thing for Cam. I respect that.

        • Guy Media

          Yeah, my most hated player in the NFL.

    • Julescat

      why do people think Green Bay has a path to the playoffs if Aaron Rogers returns? the best Green Bay can end up is 10-6. That won’t get them in unless 4 other playoff bound NFC teams lose every remaining game

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Stranger things have happened. Its the NFL.

  • Masked Man

    Andy’s giving up play calling to his OC today.
    Do you think he misses Dougie?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/03/andy-reid-gives-up-play-calling/

    • Sean E

      I might be rewriting history, but when Andy gave up play calling in PHI that was the beginning of his end..

      • Masked Man

        Think he misses Doug? Doug’s pretty good at that stuff. They were always secretive about who was calling plays when back when Doug was there. Remember?

        • CrackSammich

          Just good strategy. Make it harder for people to pick up tendencies, or at least not make it easier.

  • Masked Man

    McAdoo’s card might get punched after today’s game, despite previous reports, per PFT. Oh man… Everybody’s mad because it looks like he disrespected Eli.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/03/report-ben-mcadoo-could-be-fired-after-sundays-game/

    • Guy Media

      Hope they quit on him today.

      • Sean E

        Nah, let them show just enough effort to convince management a turnaround is possible (it isn’t). Let them suffer with him even longer!

    • FairOaks

      Geez, that would be pretty low to scapegoat McAdoo for the Eli situation. Unless it really was his decision without the GM agreeing, etc.

  • xmbk

    Wentz overthrew Hollins because of the hold. Would have been another perfect td bomb to Hollins otherwise. That duo has long term potential.

    • Guy Media

      How about short term for tonight over Maxwell?

      • SteveH

        I feel like at least once tonight we’re going to see one over the top of Maxwell and he’ll yell at Earl Thomas or something.

  • SteveH

    I know it’s Eagles day but the game’s a long way off so…

    Lonzo Ball is off to such a laughable start to his career. He’s averaging 9 points a game on *32* percent from the floor.

    Simmons had a terrible game last night, but he’s still 18 a game on 50 percent from the floor.

    Such a travesty that NBA gms thought Ball was a lock for ROY and Simmons as an afterthought.

    • Guy Media

      Ball sucks.

    • Masked Man

      Watched Sixers@Lakers a few weeks ago.

      Ball played no defense whatsoever.

      Simmons was vastly superior to Ball in height, weight, athleticism, all around game.

      • Guy Media

        And Simmons’s sister torched Ball on Twitter.

      • Sean E

        Who should they have taken over Ball though?

        • Masked Man

          Well we haven’t seen Fultz much yet so…

          • Sean E

            In all honesty Ball has looked worse than Fultz, which is saying something. He just gets physically dominated and looks like he has no confidence.

          • Masked Man

            I thought so too.
            Just haven’t seen much of Fultz to be sure.

        • SteveH

          Donovan Mitchell is looking like the best in the class so far, but it’s so early who knows.

          If they weren’t already so deep at PF, Jayson Tatum has been playing great.

    • ChoTime

      Meh. Guard in his first year. I don’t hold him accountable for the sins of the father.

      • Julescat

        the dad isn’t helping matters

        • Guy Media

          Embiid needs to jump that guy. Or maybe Charles Barkley does.

      • Guy Media

        I do. And so do Embiid and Simmons.

  • Someguy77

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21651814/andy-reid-kansas-city-chiefs-gives-playcalling-duty

    I was always mixed on Reid having to do so much in Philly here including calling the plays but the offense never really lagged in the later years of his tenure here except 2007.

    Seemed to effect his time clock management though especially how poorly this team ran the 2-minute/hurry up offense though even when Vick was the QB.

    • Masked Man

      Reid always seemed to fall into ruts. Predictable stuff.

      • Someguy77

        Yeah that true and he did hand over the play calling to Childress and Mornhinweg at times during his tenure here for the entire season or large portions of it.

        It was funny to be out in Kansas City 3 weeks ago and people complaining about all of the screens the Chiefs have called this year including one guy ranting about stupid bubble screens. It gave me a chuckle.

        • ChoTime

          Maybe if he’d had better OCs than those guys, he’d still be here.

      • Insomniac

        I had a theory that Reid has his ruts because

        1. the city he visits doesn’t have a decent food scene
        2. he dreams of said missing food while at said away game

        • SteveH

          If Reid were in a greek play his tragic flaw would be his inflexibility. When things don’t go the way he thinks they should go, he’s like a deer in headlights. He plans exceptionally well, but has 0 adaptability.

          • Insomniac

            Give him more bye weeks, that’ll solve everything. Well except the time management problem, that’ll never go away..

          • Someguy77

            Love to see the actual data but the initial 10-15 scripted plays seemed to go well especially on the first drive then he would stall out too much at times before the half.

        • Masked Man

          Great steaks in KC. Beef country. Anything beef is great!

          Like cheeseburgers. Andy loves cheeseburgers!

  • Insomniac

    We are 4 hours and 20 minutes away from witnessing Josh Gordon murdering the Chargers (or so I hope I need him to do well this week).

    • SteveH

      Keep in mind, Deshone Kizer is the one throwing him the ball. He of the 57 rating and 5td/14int statline.

      I hope he does well for you, but…………. We’ll see lol.

      • Insomniac

        I’ve seen this man do well with Hoyer and uhh whoever the other QB was. I believe as much as much as any Browns fans do.

        • SteveH

          Well I’ll be rooting for you.

    • Masked Man

      Josh Gordon… He’s a little rusty isn’t he..?

      • Insomniac

        Yup. Only 85 yards? Damn he should have retired.

  • Someguy77

    While I wouldn’t remotely bet this game at -6.5 or -7 for the Eagles (current line), I actually see the Eagles having a much tougher time next week vs Rams.

    See the current Rams’ offense being a more difficult matchup for this defense and the Eagles having a bit of an emotional letdown/slow start after a very physical & high-profile game.

    • Someguy77

      This Seahawks’ offense is getting too much hype too. It is basically depends way too much on Wilson at this point kind of like the Packers have been the last few years with Rodgers.

      Don’t see the Seahawks being able to score enough points to keep with the Eagles this week.

      Another reason why the Rams will be a tougher matchup next week. Gurley is the kind of RB I could see running effectively against the defense especially after contact/breaking some tackles, they have big play capability, and have consistently up yards/points almost all year.

    • Guy Media

      I’d challenge you on QB, skill players, and crowd noise all being a tougher matchup in Seattle than in LA. Rams block way better, Gurley is a better RB, but that might be it from what scares me.

    • Sean E

      I think PHI matches up great against LAR. Eagles should be able to stymie the run game without committing extra defenders (it’s what the defense does), and will make Goff one dimensional. The elusive running QB is more of an issue for our defense than the statue pocket passer with a good run game.

    • kajomo

      The only teams that i think could really give the eagles trouble right now are the Vikings and Steelers if we make it to the super bowl. Every other team has more holes than the eagles, but those 2 teams have dominant units. I think that’s what it will take to beat this team. You need a unit that can take over the game. The Rams and Seahawks do not have that right now. They are good teams without an elite unit.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Why not the Pats? They’re blowing people out like we are.

        • Guy Media

          Ha’ we’re just talking NFC.

        • kajomo

          Two reasons

          1) it has been proven that you beat the Pats with a dominant pass rush.

          2) people give the eagles crap for not beating anyone great, but the patriots really play a garbage schedule. The skins and cowboys are better than anyone else in the AFCE. I honestly feel they are overrated this year due to their resume.

          I’d rather have the Pats over the Steelers in the Super Bowl

          • Guy Media

            I’d actually prefer the Steelers as I’d want to shut fans of the “Stillers” up. I don’t know that many NE fans, but Pittsburgh fans across multiple sports are fucking assholes who are fit for eating the toilet paper I use for wiping my ass post-shit.

          • kajomo

            I’m not disputing that, but I think Antonio, Bell, and coming will give us more problems that Cooks and Gronk. The Steelers can stay balance while NE can’t

          • Guy Media

            That’s true, but I’d rather not have Belichick scheming against us for two weeks.

          • kajomo

            True, but that’s the lesser of 2 evils I think. They had 2 weeks to prepare for ATL last year and should have lost thy game.

          • Dragon_Eagle

            Almost as if they knew what the defense was calling in the 2nd half. Odd.

  • laeagle

    Is it just me, or do most of the statistics I see pointing out how awesome the Seahawks are sound like “It has never rained on December 3 after 4PM in 37 years”?

    I’m not saying the Seahawks are a bad. This is going to be a tough (good!) game. But these stats people keep throwing up are nearly useless in predictive capacity. They’re all numbers that show no real trends, just raw, useless data.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Why should they start thinking analytically now?

    • Guy Media

      Yup; total Reuben Frank type nonsense that is devoid of context.

    • P_P_K

      Especially the 42-8 at home stat. It’s meaningless for their team this season.

    • meteorologist

      Feel like the Russel Wilson has “never lost by more than one score” one is interesting

      • kajomo

        He’s one. Russel Wilson has never won a playoff game without an elite defense. This is playoff atmosphere and he doesn’t have an elite defense.

        They are one dimensional and we are a complete team. They will keep it close for a while before the flood gates open and we run away with a double digit victory.

        • meteorologist

          No doubt

    • ChoTime

      To be the champ, you have to beat the champ.

      They’ve accomplished so much over the years, that they still retain an aura, even as mediocre as they’ve been lately. I don’t think the stats make a good case for them, but sometimes teams with lots of experience and talented veteran players can surprise you.

      I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if they put up a good fight.

  • Guy Media

    Does anybody know how I go about unblocking somebody?

    • Guy Media

      Figured it out.

      • ChoTime

        So we’re friends again?

        • Guy Media

          Nah, I had somebody else blocked because they put up a RW talking point, but it turned out it was done sarcastically.

          I 100% don’t agree with your POV on things at times, but you’re a solid content contributor.

  • Guy Media

    No OSU in the playoffs; justice has been done. Hopefully Bama shuts up rude ass Clemson while the OU/UGA game should be a lot of fun, as they’ve never played before.

    • kajomo

      How do you dislike Clemson more than Bama? Bama is so easy to hate. They are the cowboys of CFB. They even have their own evil, ego driven control freak in Saban like the Cowboys do.

      • Guy Media

        Watson. Their uppity coach as well.

        • kajomo

          Give me Dabo over Saban any day.

          I also like Watson. I get the Cam hate, but Watson seems like a good dude.

          • Guy Media

            I don’t like anybody (Johnny Streetball, Tim Teblow, etc.) who plays that run around style. I’d like it gone from football yesterday.

            And I agree on disliking Saban as well, but I also massively hate upstart programs. I don’t like established orders of things upended in sports, so Clemson being good isn’t tolerable, they need to be middling.

          • kajomo

            So do you hate RW?

          • Guy Media

            No; RW = Steve Young. Wilson’s eyes are always downfield and he’s a last resort runner. I’m actually a huge RW fan.

          • RC5000

            Hmmmm. All the Philly teams are upstarts.

            The Eagles are the ultimate upstart. We haven’t won a championship since before I was born and I’m ancient.

            I can’t stand the same old thing but Clemson’s getting old too. Been there done that. Let some other fans have some enjoyment.

          • Guy Media

            NO! We run stuff.

          • RC5000

            HA! Are you living in a Philly parallel universe Mike?

          • Guy Media

            Well, we do in fan fights at least. I just don’t see us as upstarts, we’re deserving. Other currently not good teams need to be static / constant values of poor value; only we’re allowed to improve and/or be dynamic.

          • RC5000

            That’s fair ok!

          • ChoTime

            Yeah, it will be enjoyable watching the Rams sink back into mediocrity.

            Although they do appear to be a nicely constructed team, unfortunately.

          • RC5000

            I definitely root against Bama. And Saban abuses his players and they often don’t hold up.

          • Guy Media

            There will be ample chance to root against Bama in the next round.

          • RC5000

            I guess I’ll root for Oklahoma. Lane’s alma mater. But also that cretin D Murray. I used to like Mayfield but then I feel like he got full of himself and he might be a future Giant. I heard they really liked him but JLC said today their entire regime is getting booted. I guess that’s no secret.

          • RC5000

            It’s weird I kinda always liked Georgia but they’re always the ultimate frauds so they’re hard to get behind. Too close to Atlanta too, Ewwww.

          • Dragon_Eagle

            Can’t abide Saban. Anyone but Bama. I hate the established order in NCAAF. May all the powerhouses lose.

  • Masked Man

    Hawks will often line up with no RB and five receivers on the line of scrimmage.

    Will be interesting to see how Schwartz lines up against it – maybe a 5-5-1 set with an LB on the line, five DB’s in man coverage and McLeod at center field.

    • kajomo

      We may be one of the teams most prepare to handle that.

      Darby, Mills, Jenkins, PRob, and Douglas give us great depth.

      I could see a lot of zone so we can keep our eyes on RW to prevent him scrambling.

      • Masked Man

        Yeah Rasul Douglas should get lots of snaps today.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        And Kendricks spies Wilson – all game.

        • Guy Media

          Advantage Seattle

  • SteveH

    That’s hilarious, the field crew painted the hash marks too close together. That’s professionalism!

  • meteorologist

    And the best slate o’ games of the year begins…

  • Tumtum
  • kajomo

    Keenum hasn’t completed an NFL throw this game. I think we can really expose him in the playoffs, especially in Philly

    • kajomo

      Almost jinxed it

    • Guy Media

      They’re a very home field dependent team as well, but their big win at Carolina next week will help their road profile.

      • kajomo

        As long as they lose today i don’t care if they beat the former NFL MVP and NFL great CAM NEWTONZZZZZ!

        • Guy Media

          BOOOOOO

    • Dragon_Eagle

      I don’t know. Looks like he’s taking what the defense is giving him. With that defense, his first priority is to not commit a turnover.

      • kajomo

        Game managers get exposed in the playoffs is my point. He’s not very different than Alex Smith

        • meteorologist

          Trent Dilfer didn’t

          • Insomniac

            Umm uhh Brady did against the Giants.

          • kajomo

            So we have acknowledged Case Keenum is like trent Dilfer. I am officially afraid of the Vikings…rolling eyes

        • Dragon_Eagle

          He’s better than Dilfer and whats-his-forgettable-face for the 2002 Bucs. Vikes defense is comparable. We can expose him if we get a lead. But if we fall behind, it’ll be interesting and Keenum gives them all they need.

          • kajomo

            The Vikings defense isn’t anywhere near that Ravens defense. That was a top 5 all time defense. Vikings aren’t even the best in the NFL this year. Huge difference

          • Dragon_Eagle

            Fair enough. They are not that good, but they are an outstanding defense for the NFL in 2017 they way the game is played. They can win games against great teams with a game manager.

          • meteorologist

            Not that huge. But any difference is made up by the talent difference on offense. 2 pro bowl caliber WRs, quality O Line, TE and 2 solid RBs

          • kajomo

            Did the defensive difference is huge. I think time has made your forget how good they were.

            No doubt he has good weapons around him. It’s why i say he’s like Alex Smith. Alex Smith has a great regular season record, but never makes a deep playoff run.

    • meteorologist

      Doesn’t matter when the rest of the team is superb

      • kajomo

        DO you really think with the QB out of the equation that the Vikings are significantly better than the eagles? If not Carson puts us way above them. I’m not arguing that they are a good team. They are a good team with a top level QB. We are a good team with a top level QB. Who is more likely to get exposed?

        • meteorologist

          Significantly better? No way. The Eagles are better right now. I’m just saying the Vikings are better than the rest of the NFC IMO

          • kajomo

            Agreed. They make me nervous enough that I feel we NEED them to lose one of their next 2 games.

            They are 1 of only two teams that I think can compete with us. That said I think Keenum would be exposed by our defense on the road in the playoffs.

  • Insomniac

    The Falcons regression on offense is soooo confusing. Also how are the Vikings the biggest threat to us again? Keenum is Keenum.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Only explanation that makes sense is they really do miss Shanahan. I don’t buy the Super Bowl hangover as the full explanation.

      • Guy Media

        Bingo

    • meteorologist

      Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl didn’t he?

      • kajomo

        Don’t use outliers to prove a point.

        Also Vikings defense is no where near as good as that ravens defense

        • meteorologist

          Vikings aren’t quite as good on defense but have immesurably more talent around the QB on offense

      • Insomniac

        There are things that can’t be explained in the world. Flat earthers and Dilfer winning a Super Bowl.

    • RC5000

      Sarkisian always has kind of blowed in college. He tends to feast on bad teams and do little against top teams.

  • kajomo

    Holy crap just defend the flats. Is Bradford wearing Cases’s uniform today?

  • RC5000

    Ryan throws a duck but great catch by some guy I never heard of.

  • meteorologist

    4th week in a row I’m putting it out there. Till it becomes common knowledge. Vikings are our biggest threat in the NFC.

    The Eagles are still better. I’m not “worried”.

    And I’m definitely not worried about *whatever-the-latest-sexy-offense-is* unless they are stout up front offensively AND defensively with good talent at all positions and good coaches

    • kajomo

      I said it lower in the comments, but I think a team needs a dominant unit that can take over a game in order to beat the eagles. Vikings D and Pittsburg offensive weapons are the only 2 units I could see doing that. Pittsburg scared me more because of QB talent

      • meteorologist

        I think the team that beats us needs a good performance from all 3 units IMO

        • kajomo

          Yes, but I mean the way the Broncos and Giants pass rush took them to a super bowl or the old Rams won with a dominant offense. If a team doiesnt have a dominant unit I don’t know that they can beat us.

    • Ark87

      Zimmer’s conservative philosophy will kill them in the post season.

    • Tumtum

      See I agree with you, however with one major difference. I’m always worried.

      • meteorologist

        The Eagles would have to stop playing so well (a la Chiefs) for me to start to be worried. They are their own biggest threat

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Put it down in writing. If the Eagles don’t make it to the Super Bowl (yes, blasphemy), which NFC team does represent?

    • kajomo

      Vikings, but really the eagles

      • meteorologist

        Seconded. Also, Rams have a SHOT maybe if Wade Phillips whips that D into shape in time

        • kajomo

          The Rams don’t do a great job against the run. I think that comes back to bite them. When games are close and teams can run against them all game long. I also don’t see them as a team that can win cold weather road games

          • meteorologist

            Yeah as it stands now I agree

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Falcons.

      I’m going with them. They may need to win 3 road games to get there, but this team is good on both sides of the ball.

      • meteorologist

        I like the influx of hard nosed players Keanu Neal specifically. But I don’t think that’s a good defense right now. And their ST isn’t anything to write home about

      • kajomo

        If they win the division I like their odds better. The falcons always struggle in Philly so I’d be happy to host them for a playoff game.

        Most teams don’t scare me because I think we can ride this DL all the way to the super bowl. They are that good and will wreck havoc on any offense

        • Dragon_Eagle

          Who’s your pick if its not us though?

          • kajomo

            Vikings

    • D3FB

      Saints

  • kajomo

    Points here before half and then they get the ball back. Let’s go Falcons

    • RC5000

      I’m kind of torn because I’d like to see Atlanta get knocked out.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Same here, but get us Home field advantage throughout first and we’ll worry about the visiting locker room second.

      • kajomo

        I firmly believe if we get HFA we are going to the super bowl. I don’t care who we play in Philly

  • RC5000

    Ben McAdoo’s nearly two-year run as head coach of the New York Giants is coming to an end, and he could be fired in the 24 hours after Sunday’s game against the Oakland Raiders, league sources told ESPN.

    General manager Jerry Reese’s standing also is highly tenuous, according to sources, though any timing on his potential departure is more uncertain than McAdoo’s.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21650405/new-york-giants-fire-coach-ben-mcadoo-24-hours-game-vs-oakland-raiders

  • kajomo

    Stupid 2nd down play call ruined a great opportunity.

  • RC5000

    Thielen & Julio each with just 1 catch.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Fail.

  • SteveH

    I wish Atlanta and Minnesota could both lose.

    • kajomo

      I’m not greedy. I’ll settle for the Vikings loss today. Atlanta still has a tough remaining schedule.

  • daveH

    After 2 weeks away would it be cool if the Linc busted out a version of good ol Great Kate Smith and God Bless America when they return ??

    • Dragon_Eagle

      3 weeks. After the West Coast, they head up 95 to play the Giants. Wonder who the HC and QB will be.

      • daveH

        So they return for the Boyeees … even better timing to bring out Kate Smith !#

        • Dragon_Eagle

          Raiders on Xmas Day, then the Cowpies. Both at home.

          • daveH

            Kate Smith on Xmas Day! !!

  • SteveH

    Nice, I started Brett Hundley today against one of the worst pass defenses in the league. He has 48 yards and an interception so far.

    I think fantasy football is designed to drive people insane.

    • meteorologist

      What in the world would drive you to the depths of Hundley

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Good question. Are you insane?

    • DJH

      Don’t feel bad. I benched Alex Smith today after weeks of awful play. He’s currently got 34 pts in my league. I started Tyrod Taylor in his place. He’s got 3 pts.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Matt Ryan is no Carson Wentz.

  • meteorologist

    #Vikings. Perhaps starting to win a few converts?

    • meteorologist

      Also that was a heckuva fast game. Over at 3:46?

  • Masked Man

    They say fans are trolling the Detroit Lions after they tried to blow up the old Silverdome.

    The Silverdome won. It failed to implode. So the Lions can’t even blow up an old stadium. Haha.

    Final score: Dome 1, Lions 0. There’s video too.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/watch-in-most-lions-move-ever-planned-silverdome-implosion-somehow-fails-to-work/

    • ChoTime

      Scary those guys couldn’t get it right.