Good Vibes

Posted: December 7th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 136 Comments »

As frustrating as it was to re-watch the Seattle game (at boy was it ever), it did feel good to come away knowing that the loss was on the Eagles. The team blew chance after chance. They should have easily scored 20 more points. The problem is that they just kept making mistakes at the worst time. The result was a 24-10 loss.

When you study a game and see that your team had no chance…that the other team just overwhelmed you, that makes things easy in a sense. You just weren’t good enough. You can accept that. Figuring out how to get better is the tricky part. Does that mean the current players developing over time or waiting until the offseason to get better players?

Carson Wentz played poorly in Seattle. Clearly the Eagles don’t need a new QB. They just need Wentz to play better. They need him to play to the level he’s played almost the whole year. That’s a good problem to have.

It is easy to get caught up in the result from Sunday night. Some people want to wipe out the previous 11 games (10-1) and act as if that was the whole season. This isn’t college football. That was just a bump in the road.

The Eagles are still good. Damn good.

Football Outsiders has the Eagles tied for first in Total DVOA and all the way down at second in Weighted DVOA. The Rams are first in both categories, making this week something they call the DVOA Bowl. #1 vs #2. Statistical glory awaits the winning team.

I’m not dismissing the Seattle loss as meaningless. That was a big test and the Eagles failed. But that’s okay if they learn from it, as I wrote for Football in December and January is about playing tough teams and dealing with immense pressure. Things really matter. The Eagles got a taste of that on Sunday night. I hope they learned a lot from that loss.

Sunday is going to provide another tough test for the Eagles. The Rams are 9-3 and have a complete football team. They are good on offense, defense and STs. In some ways, they are going to be tougher than Seattle, but there is one huge difference.

Jared Goff isn’t Russell Wilson.

There were plays when the Eagles had two and three guys getting into the backfield, only to see Wilson spin away from pressure and and either complete a pass or just throw the ball away. The Eagles pass rush is one of the team’s big strengths and Wilson in some ways totally negated it. Beating the blocker and getting into the backfield was just the start of the play for the D-linemen. Finishing was nearly impossible.

Goff is a human being. You can hit him. You can sack him. The Eagles DL becomes much more of a factor, even though the Rams have a better OL than Seattle does. Pressure will directly affect the success of plays this week.

The Rams also love to run the ball. The Eagles stuff the run. That matters. Seattle doesn’t have a good running game so taking that away from them didn’t have the same impact as it would on a normal team.

The Rams are very good, but they are a much better matchup for the Eagles.


The Eagles have had an interesting week. They’re out in California. They’ve done a lot of charity work and they’ve been practicing as well. This team already had great chemistry, but the extended road trip might have been a good thing for them. If it can help the players bond even more, that could have some impact on the field.

I’m really interested to see how this team responds on Sunday. I can’t guarantee they’ll win, but I find it hard to believe they would play poorly in back-to-back games.


136 Comments on “Good Vibes”

  1. 1 unhinged said at 8:53 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Hear hear!

  2. 2 Masked Man said at 9:56 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Watching the game over again also helped me get a better perspective.

    Wentz has the experience edge over Goff, having started 28 NFL games. Goff is in his first year as a starter. I think Wentz has the talent edge too.

    I have a lot of respect for coach McVay. But we’re not going up against the Carroll-Wilson tandem this week.

    This should be a great game on Sunday. Eagles Nations should be in the stands. And the team should be motivated to play their best.

    Go Eagles!

  3. 3 P_P_K said at 10:12 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    When the brick wall of the Eagles D line puts a stop to Gurley, Goff will be asked to carry the Rams O. He’s a good qb but not up to that task, especially in the face of the rush he will face. Wentz should bounce back after his mediocre performance against Seattle, and the Eagles as a team will likely play with a fire they were lacking last week. I look for a statement win against a good opponent.

  4. 4 Masked Man said at 1:15 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Statement Game! I game it!

  5. 5 MattE said at 11:30 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Stop Gurley.
    Stop the Rams.
    Go Birds.

  6. 6 unhinged said at 9:56 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Anybody who witnessed the Pittsburgh v Cincinnati blood fest recently please weigh in. The NFL is under a microscope relating to CTE, and it really amazes me that there isn’t a loud, united proclamation from Goodell and NFLPA that George Iloka’s hit on Brown…

    …and Rob Gronkowski’s hit on White (in the Pats v Bills)…

    …will not be tolerated. The NHL has learned the hard way, that when cover is afforded to thugs and thug ball, it becomes an uphill battle to legislate the viciousness out of the game. How’s this for making the guilty rethink their sins?:
    Suspend Marvin Lewis for 2 games (because he never seems to learn), suspend and fine the players for 3 games without pay, and remove a draft pick from the franchise in the next draft. Gronkowski, who had to consciously decide to injure Tre’Davious White should become the poster boy for stupid decisions made by stupid players that end up hurting their own team…except it didn’t hurt NE, just Gronk. The NFL used to understand the value of proactive PR, but right now it looks like there are more “important” concerns that monopolize it’s attention.

  7. 7 Mac said at 10:01 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    The most fair (and extreme) thing to do is to suspend a player until the injured player returns to football. If it’s not an injury that takes the player out of the game, then use the current suspension schedule.

    i.e. if you hit a player in such a way as to end his career, your career is also over.

  8. 8 P_P_K said at 10:10 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    That’s a really interesting idea.

  9. 9 Bert's Bells said at 10:23 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Or you have to keep playing but half your contract goes to the invalid.

  10. 10 A_T_G said at 11:47 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    I could see that concept getting twisted into incentivizing putting Tre Sullivan (i.e. an unimportant, hard hitting pawn) out there with the task of taking out Odell

  11. 11 or____ said at 12:06 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Good point.

  12. 12 Dave said at 12:29 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    No coach, GM, owner, or player would ever do that. As a reminder why, here are the Bountygate penalties:

    Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was suspended indefinitely, though this would be overturned the following year.

    Head coach Sean Payton was suspended for the entire 2012 season—the first time in modern NFL history that a head coach has been suspended for any reason.

    General manager Mickey Loomis was suspended for the first eight games of the 2012 season.

    Assistant head coach Joe Vitt was suspended for the first six games of the 2012 season.

    The Saints organization was fined $500,000, and forced to forfeit their second-round draft selections in 2012 and 2013.

    On May 2, 2012, four current and former Saints players were suspended after being named as ringleaders in the scandal, with linebacker Jonathan Vilma also being suspended for the entire 2012 season—the longest suspension for an on-field incident in modern NFL history.

  13. 13 Mac said at 1:12 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Decidedly not a perfect idea.

  14. 14 sonofdman said at 1:33 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    What is to stop a team from doing that now?

  15. 15 A_T_G said at 1:38 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    The fact that the player will get fined and suspended regardless of their “success.”

    And to be clear, I do not think it would actually happen. I think it would give the perception that it happens.

  16. 16 sonofdman said at 1:50 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Sure, but now and player will get fined and suspended for 1 or 2 games. In the scenario Mac suggested, the player will be suspended for as long as the other player is injured. Even for an unimportant player, there is still a higher potential cost for trying to injure another in Mac’s scheme than in the current scheme.

  17. 17 unhinged said at 4:38 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I’d like to see the NFL follow the NHL’s lead and keep files on franchise, HC and player offenses. An intent to injure ought to get a clear consensus from league and players that 2 strikes gets player a year off. I don’t believe that every head to head is intended to injure, but when it is ruled as such, bring down the hammer.

  18. 18 unhinged said at 4:30 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I think Burfict would be selling cars if that were enforced.

  19. 19 P_P_K said at 10:13 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Seattle brought their “A” game and the Eagles didn’t. I hope we see them again in the playoffs and get revenge.

  20. 20 bsuperfi said at 10:41 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Interesting recent quote from Chip Kelly (per Matt Harkenreader on BGN) that the big difference between college football and pro is that pro football is much more about situational football. As we all know, the Eagles beat the Seahawks in major statistical categories like yards. But they clearly blew it in high leverage situations.

    This just goes to show you that the grading scales aren’t always what we think in the NFL. It makes me wonder how advanced metrics like DVOA account for this idea. And it makes me particularly wonder how the Rams have done in key situations this season. (FWIW the Eagles have obviously done well in key situations like third downs, red zone, etc., until we hit the Seahawks).

    Here’s the link for posterity:

  21. 21 MattE said at 11:28 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    Analytics is just so much harder to apply to football due to sheer sample size year-to-year. You essentially get 10x the amount of games in baseball and 5x the amount in the NBA, trends actually do get justified over 162 games vs. 16 lol. I defend analytics all the time, but I just try to be realistic about data in football.

  22. 22 P_P_K said at 12:12 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I want to upvote because I think the point is important, but I want to downvote anything having to do with Chip.

  23. 23 ChoTime said at 1:39 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    IMO the high leverage thing is an illusion. Yes, the big third down blitzes that result in TDs are huge plays. Yes, the clutch sack with 2 minutes to go is the turning point in the game.

    The reason they’re so important in the pro game is simply parity.

    However, that doesn’t mean that clutch play is replicable, or that stats are bad _because_ they don’t show it. They don’t show it because those plays don’t necessarily show anything about who made them, or who didn’t.

    We remember the guys who make the plays because they made the plays, not because they have some indefinable quality which always causes them to come through.

    But being people, we give too much emphasis to these rare, high-leverage situations. Yes, they had a big impact on that particular game, but it doesn’t follow it actually says anything about a particular player or team’s intrinsic quality.

    So we overrate people who happened to have a big catch in the end zone, the team that happened to win in a prime time game, to the teams who are scheduled on Thanksgiving.

  24. 24 teltschikfakeout88 said at 7:43 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    By Seattle you mean Russell Wilson and of course if shit talking could earn a tea point we would of gotten blown out…still steamed with the replay after Wentz fumbled the ball in the EZ and was walking away…Michael Bennett was talking mad trash…do nothing Bennett who got owned by Lane all game long was chirping….

  25. 25 Dave said at 11:40 AM on December 7th, 2017:

    It feels surreal reading a statement like this, even if it’s from Andy Benoit.

    “let’s understand one thing: This is not a debate about who is better between Goff or Wentz. Because there is no debate. It’s Wentz. He and Goff may have entered the league in the same class of QBs, but the class Wentz resides in now includes the likes of Brady, Rodgers, Ryan and Brees. Goff, on the other hand, is still roaming the halls, searching for a room, bumping into QBs like Derek Carr and Jameis Winston along the way.”

  26. 26 Gary Barnes said at 1:33 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Disagree, they have pretty similar production except for TD which will favor Wentz slightly because the Eagles throw the ball more than the Rams. Goff has a higher Com%, more yards, better yards per att avg and the same low number of INT.

    Jared Goff (2017 season):

    Com% – 62.2
    Att/Game – 32.6 avg
    Yards – 3184
    Yards/Att – 8.1 avg
    TD: 20
    INT: 6


    Carson Wentz (2017 season)

    Com% – 60.7
    Att/Game – 33.25 avg
    Yards – 3005
    Yards/Att – 7.5 avg
    TD: 29
    INT: 6

  27. 27 A_T_G said at 1:41 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Goff would need to throw TDs on each of his next 9 passes to catch Carson in TDs, which is exactly the number of pass attempts he trails Wentz.

  28. 28 Gary Barnes said at 1:56 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Agreed, I would rather have Wentz, but disagree the gap is so large between the two that there is no debate. That is over the top IMO.

  29. 29 A_T_G said at 1:58 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Over the top and extremely premature. But that is how they get us clicking…

  30. 30 Gary Barnes said at 2:01 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I fell for it…;)

  31. 31 BlindChow said at 3:39 PM on December 7th, 2017:


  32. 32 Always Hopeful said at 5:53 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Yes let that be unlikely! Good one.

  33. 33 Sean E said at 1:41 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    3rd down conversion %?

  34. 34 sonofdman said at 1:42 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    A difference of 0.65 attempts per game doesn’t adequately explain a difference of 9 TD passes in 12 games.

  35. 35 sonofdman said at 1:43 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I see ATG beat me to making the same point.

  36. 36 A_T_G said at 1:44 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Yeah, being generous with rounding it would be 9 attempts difference, possibly only 7.

  37. 37 Gary Barnes said at 1:54 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Not saying it does, just that Wentz has more chances than Goff and otherwise they are pretty close stat-wise. People can scoff at Goff (poet and I know it), but he is not a bad QB. He is having a pretty good year so far.

  38. 38 Dave said at 1:55 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Stats only tell part of the story.

    Wentz can call audibles based on how he reads the defense. This is what Brees, Brady, Rogers, and Ryan do. It’s what separates the best QBs from the rest of the pack ( I do agree that Ryan is not in the same class).

    Goff does not have the same responsibilities as McVay calls all the audibles from the sidelines. This is the same way it was for Goff in college as opposed to Wentz who could freely audible to another play in college.

    I think this is Benoit’s point. Both are great QBs at throwing the ball and running the offense. Wentz is much more of a complete QB though while Goff is clearly a work in progress.

    Edit: forgot the link.

  39. 39 Gary Barnes said at 2:01 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I agree and love Wentz’s ability to audible, but we should also give credit to Pederson, Reich et al. because they let him do that.

    That Goff doesn’t does not mean Goff cannot do that. McVay chooses to hold that responsibility for himself, that is not something we can hold against Goff.

    Both are works in progress IMO. Wentz is in his 2nd year and Goff his 1st year. As we saw last week with Wentz, there is still things he has to learn and improve on. No shame in that, no one is a complete QB in year 1 or 2.

  40. 40 Dave said at 2:44 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    “That Goff doesn’t does not mean Goff cannot do that. McVay chooses to hold that responsibility for himself, that is not something we can hold against Goff.”

    I believe that is incorrect. It is my understanding that Goff never called plays in the huddle at college and did the same thing he is currently is doing with McVay. He had very limited reads then and now.

    I’m not saying he won’t be a cerebral QB in the future, but every article I have seen on him makes it clear that McVay has simplified the position to suit Goff’s abilities both physical and mental.

    Pederson and Reich fell in love with Carson for his mental approach to the game even more than his physical makeup. They allow him to call audibles because he has shown the ability and willingness to do so.

  41. 41 ChoTime said at 1:42 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Typical overreaction BS, going with the tide. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t, but a talking head saying it doesn’t make it right.

    I think Colin Cowherd is right a lot more than wrong, but after plugging Dak _big time_, he’s already distancing himself from that and jumping off the ship like all the other rats.

    Another big problem with Benoit’s quote. One of these things doesn’t belong: “Brady, Rodgers, Ryan and Brees.”

  42. 42 sonofdman said at 1:47 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Ha ha. I was thinking the same thing. Is Carson in Brady, Rodgers and Brees’ class or is he in Ryan’s class? Because Ryan, while good, is not in Brady, Rodgers and Brees’ class.

  43. 43 ChoTime said at 10:47 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    You win! Yes, Ryan is a real good QB, but he can’t carry a team. Wentz has already shown he can do that (and the others in the list of course).

  44. 44 xeynon said at 10:06 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    I actually think Ryan is a good best case scenario for Goff.

  45. 45 Dave said at 1:56 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I can honestly say I have probably never heard more than 15 seconds of Cowherd’s voice in my lifetime.

  46. 46 Ryan Rambo said at 3:15 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    You are blessed.

  47. 47 Dave said at 3:23 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    My media habits have really changed in the past few years to avoid the drivel.

    News is from Twitter and links to website/newspaper articles

    Movies and tv shows from Kodi and television (but only watched at a later date with the DVR.

    Sports are typically live on television and Kodi if out-of-market.

    Gone are the days of watching live television. I remember when I was bored I would turn on CNN (back in the 90s when it was all about news), The Weather Channel (weather on the 8s), MTV/VH1, and ESPN. All of those channels now are more about the Personalities than their original core content.

    I’ve never watched Stephen A for more than a few seconds either. I hear that is a blessing too.

  48. 48 Masked Man said at 9:01 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I hear that ESPN uses all the hot air in Cowherd’s studio during the broadcast and pumps it throughout the building. Saves energy and heats the facility.

  49. 49 jshort said at 7:06 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    It’s Ryan! Only one not to win a SB.

  50. 50 Masked Man said at 8:58 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Never even heard any “Wentz is like Ryan” comments, to be honest with you.

    Matty Ice is nice. But he’s like a classic pocket passer type. Wentz is a passer, but he’s the more 21st century type – the mobility, the elusiveness, the field generalship.

    And nobody compares Wentz to short QBs like Brees either, SB ring or not. Haha.

  51. 51 xeynon said at 10:05 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    Having watched both Wentz and Goff, it seems clear to me that Wentz is better.

    That’s not to say that Wentz is yet at Rodgers/Brady level (he’s still a too inconsistent to be pegged there, though the top-line performance capability is there), or that Goff is bad (he looks like a very capable pocket passer of the kind more than capable of winning a SB under the right circumstances).

    But Wentz has made at least a dozen “wow” plays this season, where he blows you away with superior awareness, athleticism, or arm strength and does something few other players in the league are capable of. I’ve yet to see Goff make one of those sorts of plays.

  52. 52 ChoTime said at 5:51 PM on December 8th, 2017:

    Hm, are you saying in his first year starting Brady was laying wow plays on people? I don’t remember it that way. He was obviously talented, but I didn’t see him physically dominating people, and I don’t think that’s necessary for a top end QB. IMO it’s a perk.

  53. 53 xeynon said at 9:53 PM on December 8th, 2017:

    Brady is one of the smartest and hardest working, if not the smartest and hardest working, QBs of all time. Goff doesn’t even call his own audibles.

    Sure, it’s as possible to be an all-time great QB by mentally dominating the game as it is by physically dominating it, but I don’t see much evidence that Goff is capable of either to this point.

  54. 54 or____ said at 12:28 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I’m being hypocritical because I’m the (a**/person/schmuck) who “yells” at folks for reviewing drafts too early….


    The top names being thrown around for the Birds this year were (I’m guestimating/remembering possibly)

    – RBs (granted several rooks have looked great here but it’s hard to argue we have been poor at that position
    – WRs: Davis, Ross, Williams – all of whom had serious injury issues as rookies and now it looks like in addition to injuries, Ross was being a dope by hiding injury from team
    – DT allen – injury and so so
    – DE – we got the right one
    – CBS – injuries panned out to be more injuries
    – Safeties – yeah whatever, we’re good there
    – Ruben Foster – we had a major injury at LB and have still been good there

    Gotta say it looks like we did well for ourselves (maybe it’s all Joe Douglass credit? who knows)

    I am very pleased with Barnett and was since Jimmy K started profiling him.

  55. 55 A_T_G said at 1:56 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Eh, I kinda think you were right at the start – it is too soon.

    Had we gone another direction you could easily be observing now that Means and Curry give us plenty and we didn’t need a DE. The other guys could still easily develop.

    I am quite happy with Barnett developing into a weapon at a premier position. That is enough at this point in terms of evaluation.

  56. 56 or____ said at 1:56 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Can’t disagree

  57. 57 Gary Barnes said at 3:55 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Agree, but some small nitpicks:

    RB is ok because we signed a FA and traded for another vet. We had to use resources (cap space, player, pick) to get those guys. We had to make up for Chip throwing Shady away and drafting poorly.

    We are ok at S until one of Jenkins or McLeod get injured and then we are screwed. We definitely need better depth at that position and people who can push for playing time.

  58. 58 or____ said at 4:12 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Yeah but that’s about general roster stuff, I was only discussing what they were considering with the 1rst round pick this year.

  59. 59 meteorologist said at 12:34 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    “But this year’s DVOA Bowl is an extra special DVOA Bowl. We’ve seen No. 2 play No. 1 before. We’ve never seen No. 1 play No. 1.

    That’s essentially how the Los Angeles Rams and Philadelphia Eagles stand in DVOA right now. The Rams are at 32.449%, and the Eagles are at 32.392%. To show you how close that is, five extra yards on Carson Wentz’s final 20-yard completion on Sunday night would be enough to make up the difference and put the two teams in a dead heat.”

  60. 60 goeagles55 said at 8:18 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Ouch. The Eagles are 1-6 in “DVOA Bowls.”

  61. 61 GermanEagle said at 12:50 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Anybody ever been to Buffalo Billiards in Philly?!

    Thinking of watching the Eagles game there on Sunday.

    Also any suggestions where to watch the Eagles in Philly is much appreciated.

  62. 62 or____ said at 1:37 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Old City…yuck

  63. 63 GermanEagle said at 5:32 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    We will be staying at the Hilton at Penn’s Landing so ideally want to be not too far away.

    I have now seen the Buffalo Billiard come up twice as one of the better sports bars on the Internet.

  64. 64 or____ said at 6:04 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Consider checking out the new Yards project near there. Not certain about TV situation but its worth a gander.

  65. 65 Gary Barnes said at 1:37 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Dave & Busters – 325 N Columbus Blvd 19106

    Fox & Hound – 1501 Spruce Street 19102

  66. 66 Sean E said at 2:19 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Chickie and Pete’s is terrible these days

  67. 67 Gary Barnes said at 3:56 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Good beer and crab fries are ok with me 🙂

  68. 68 Stephen E. said at 4:31 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Make sure to hand the server your tip directly.

  69. 69 or____ said at 4:58 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    In my experience their beer taps are cleaned, well never.

  70. 70 Sean E said at 7:11 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    The fries are garbage. 10 years ago they were the best tasting fries in the world, and the cheese recipe was guarded like the coca-cola recipe. Now, the cheese tastes like melted kraft cheese-food slices. It’s gone downhill fast, the quality is gone. This is all ignoring the fact that the owners are douchebags with policies like no basketball jerseys and no backwards hats clearly intended to keep out a certain group of people.

  71. 71 Sb2bowl said at 3:07 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Why not Cheerleaders?

  72. 72 Gary Barnes said at 1:20 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I think this a RB game and when the acquisition of Ajayi pays off big time.

    Run the ball vs the Rams bad run defense – pound them and then use play action to kill them

    Stop the run game of their OL and Gurley, shut that down and stomp Goff into the turf

  73. 73 BlindChow said at 3:32 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Andy Reid trained me to expect that when an opponent has a bad run defense, the Eagles will come out passing.

  74. 74 Gary Barnes said at 3:57 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I would not be surprised to see that from Doug either unfortunately, lol

  75. 75 Stephen E. said at 4:32 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    They’ll never see it comin’!

  76. 76 daveH said at 8:19 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Please don’t second gues andy

  77. 77 daveH said at 1:53 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    So would Eagles D ever NOT RUSH Russell at all ?? Just pure contain to control the under passes and his scramble ??

  78. 78 Dave said at 1:58 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    That would be like a 7 on 7 practice with the lineman just standing there. The QB should win every time given unlimited time.

  79. 79 Sb2bowl said at 3:07 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I really think that we should have employed Kendricks or Jenkins in more of a spy role on Wilson. Let the front 4 rush and have a guy (MJ, MK) hang back and if he begins to run around- rush him with more speed.

    The tough part is that our big guys are good enough to defeat their big guys, but not quick enough to corral him (Wilson) typically on a one on one scenario.

  80. 80 Masked Man said at 8:30 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Problem is I don’t think either of those guys can catch Wilson. He’s fast. And elusive.

  81. 81 Mac said at 3:12 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Should have blitzed Darby on every play.

  82. 82 daveH said at 11:52 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    4 lineman literally just standing there would stop the nfl in its tracks. .. i think it would be so shocking that it might work Ha !

  83. 83 Stephen E. said at 4:33 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    The rare “4 dollar” defense with 11 DBs.

  84. 84 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:39 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I said that when they played. Russell used Eagles advantage on DL against us. Needed to mush rush him. Cox n Jernigan would be the benefactors if the DEs did that. Also playing man in the back end was a mistake. Wilson drifts back giving his receivers more time to lose their men. Him drifting back negates Eagles pass rush n he has the arm power to just flick it. Eagles play mush up front n zone in the back it would have been good D plan against him.

  85. 85 SteveH said at 2:35 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    fun comment thread roasting the shit out of Ben Mcadoo.

    My favorite one is:
    I think McAdoo sexually identifies as a mid 90’s Honda Civic hatchback.

  86. 86 Ryan Rambo said at 3:50 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    So Darby on Watkins? Robinson on Cooper Cupp?

  87. 87 Sean E said at 7:08 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    More scared of Austin than Watkins.

  88. 88 SteveH said at 6:03 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Ertz cleared concussion protocol.

  89. 89 GermanEagle said at 9:22 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    No he didn’t.

  90. 90 A_T_G said at 9:39 PM on December 7th, 2017:


  91. 91 GermanEagle said at 9:54 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    The Eagles clarified later he was only cleared to practice.

  92. 92 A_T_G said at 10:22 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Good call. They screwed that one up.

  93. 93 SteveH said at 7:47 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Unpopular opinion I’m sure: I think Wentz is having a pro bowl caliber season, but I wouldn’t give him the MVP this year. I think Alex Smith and Tom Brady are ahead of him in my mind. Seriously look up Smith’s stats, even with his recent dip they’re pretty remarkable, but I would put Wentz as a very close 3rd right now.

    Edit: I should add it’s subject to change. If Wentz finishes out the year on fire I think he’s the obvious choice for MVP.

  94. 94 A_T_G said at 8:07 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    If one truly evaluates MVP as the player whose value makes the biggest impact to the team’s success, it should be Wilson. The team has only scored one touchdown that wasn’t thrown or run by him.

  95. 95 SteveH said at 9:24 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    It’s a good argument as well and he certainly should be in the conversation.

  96. 96 daveH said at 8:17 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    The ole MVP on a last place team debate eh ? (Al Smith not The GOAT)

  97. 97 GermanEagle said at 9:21 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Yeah sure. Let’s give the MVP to the QB whose team is 1-6 in their last seven games. Smh

  98. 98 SteveH said at 9:25 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    That’s not all on Smith though, he’s had a couple shaky games but he’s also played really well during some of those losses.

  99. 99 GermanEagle said at 9:26 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    But at the end of the day a QB will be mainly judged by W’s and L’s…

  100. 100 SteveH said at 10:08 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Should they though? There are a lot of mediocre QBs who’ve won a lot of games on the backs of strong supporting casts.

  101. 101 GermanEagle said at 5:47 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    If it comes to the arguably most prestigious title someone can take Home, then yes the win-loss column should factor in.

  102. 102 xeynon said at 9:50 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    Brady you can certainly make a case for. Russell Wilson also. Smith, no.

  103. 103 SteveH said at 7:50 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Also, since there isn’t a least valuable player award, one should be made just this year for Deshone Kizer. His stats this year are mind bogglingly awful.

    He has 6 touchdowns to *15* interceptions, and a quarterback rating of 58 on *52%* completion percentage.

    I’m struggling to think of a recent full season starter who’s played worse. Someone help me out?

  104. 104 A_T_G said at 8:05 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Dak Prescott extrapolated out to a full Zekeless season?

  105. 105 SteveH said at 9:25 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I love that idea and I’m going to do the math.

  106. 106 SteveH said at 9:35 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    ok this is what you get if you extrapolate Dak out to a full season after 4 games without zeke.

    8 touchdowns
    20 interceptions
    2408 yards
    66.6 QBR
    62.2 comp %
    5.47 yards per attempt

    So basically he would be the second worst quarterback in the league. He would be worse than the following QBs:

    Tom Savage
    Trevor Siemian
    CJ Beathard

    He’d be about even with Brock Osweiler only he’d have more turnovers.

    Deshone Kizer is literally the only quarterback worse than Zekeless Dak.

    Spread the word. Spread it far and wide.

  107. 107 A_T_G said at 9:42 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    This makes me inappropriately happy.

  108. 108 SteveH said at 7:55 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Dark Prescott’s QB rating is officially lower than Tyrod Taylor’s.

    This has been your weekly reminder that Dak aint shit, and I’m going to keep saying it until it is commonly accepted wisdom.

  109. 109 P_P_K said at 10:21 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    And I’ll upvote every week because this truth is such a source of joy.

  110. 110 Seth S. Scott said at 8:01 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    “Seattle doesn’t have a good running game so taking that away from them didn’t have the same impact as it would on a normal team.”

    THIS IS LITERALLY THE KEY TO WHY SEATTLE BEAT US (besides Wilson). Everytime Seattle ran the ball it was <1 yard basically. Most teams rely on the run, but Seattle does not.

  111. 111 A_T_G said at 9:11 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    It’s like when blind Steven Segal cuts the power and fights in the dark. Nothing changes for him, but it cripples his opponents.

  112. 112 GENETiC-FREAK said at 8:09 PM on December 7th, 2017:
    Good vibe-rations

  113. 113 Masked Man said at 8:26 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    That’s funny. It was 26 years ago. Mark Wahlberg is not even that guy.

    Great actor though. Played a heckuva part in the video. Good Vibes. Go Eagles!

  114. 114 ChoTime said at 10:44 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I heard Markie Mark was a real ass back in the day, even basically committed some hate crimes.

  115. 115 健康网 said at 9:06 PM on December 7th, 2017:


  116. 116 Masked Man said at 9:07 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    The Eagles fans on the West Coast must not like playing Golf that much…

    I heard they are organizing a chant of some kind. Don’t quite understand it.

    Maybe they don’t like the attire for the links. Maybe seem to be planning to ridicule the sport of Golf during the Football Game on national TV.

    Anyway my sources tell me that the fans on Sunday at the game will be chanting:

    “Golf Socks! Golf Socks! Golf Socks! Golf Socks! Golf Socks! Golf Socks!”

    Kind of a strange chant for a football game, huh? Anyway… Go Eagles!

  117. 117 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:37 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    So the falcons have julio jones, mohammed sanu, austin hooper devonta freeman etc.
    But decide to run a play in the red zone where dontari poe was the first read and tackle ty sambrailo was the second read in the end zone.
    Sarkisian is clearly drunk right now…its ladies night

  118. 118 A_T_G said at 10:16 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    But no one expected it…

  119. 119 SteveH said at 9:41 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    So who do we want to win tonight anyhow. Each team has its pros and cons.

  120. 120 Tdoteaglefan said at 9:46 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I’m rootin for the falcons to win and knock the saints a little further down the standings and away from our record

  121. 121 GermanEagle said at 9:52 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Falcons. Dude are you drunk today?! 🙂

  122. 122 SteveH said at 10:07 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    No, but I feel like the Falcons being the odd man out in the playoffs might not be a bad thing. As long as we take care of business, the Saints can’t catch us for the playoffs.

  123. 123 A_T_G said at 10:14 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Nothing is promised yet. Whatever gives us the easiest path to HFA.

  124. 124 BlindChow said at 10:19 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    The Falcons have looked like garbage the last couple weeks. Three INT’s for Ryan tonight already. Last week their defense couldn’t tackle anyone. I’d rather see them than the Saints.

  125. 125 A_T_G said at 10:17 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Matt Ryan looking like…Dak out here tonight.

  126. 126 Tdoteaglefan said at 10:18 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    I dont even think daks looked this bad

  127. 127 SteveH said at 10:31 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Joel Embiid is putting on a clinic in the Lakers game. Dude is seriously unstoppable when he wants to be. Unreal ability.

  128. 128 SteveH said at 10:42 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Well Richaun Holmes isn’t the ideal candidate for the buzzer 3.

    Just too many turnovers down the stretch for the Sixers. Reddick in particular was really sloppy tonight.

    Wasted a dominant performance from Embiid.

    I loved Lonzo Ball trying the Steph Curry ranged 3 at the end and bricking it. Definitely looked to me like Embiid got fouled on the other end but whatever.

  129. 129 Donald Kalinowski said at 11:03 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    That brick by Lonzo was funny as hell. Too bad we couldn’t score on the other end.

  130. 130 A_T_G said at 11:26 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Sean Peyton with the temper flare to put the final nail in the coffin. Thanks, Sean.

  131. 131 Masked Man said at 11:38 PM on December 7th, 2017:

    Why did Brees stare his receiver down the whole way on that interception? That’s unlike him. Didn’t look the defenders off at all.

    Safety dropped back and picked it off. Easy Peasy!! Haha!

  132. 132 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:13 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    Who do the Eagles draft with their one and only pick in the first three rounds in 2018 (32nd overall)?

    Safety? ‘backer? TE? Tackle?

  133. 133 kajomo said at 12:31 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    I would think th eagles would look to trade down an Recoup some of those picks.

    I think OL, DE, and LB have to be the top priorities. We have a long way to go in the draft process, but I think a player at one of those positions could be argued as BPA

  134. 134 Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard said at 12:53 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    I’ll volunteer Safety as a darkhorse because they’re playing Corey Graham a lot and the starters aren’t spring chickens.

    Trading down seems almost guaranteed.

  135. 135 D3FB said at 7:53 PM on December 8th, 2017:

    $1.8 million is alot?

  136. 136 xeynon said at 9:47 AM on December 8th, 2017:

    Trade down and pick up extra picks in rounds 2-3, then draft BPA at every spot.