Super Bowl Talk
Posted: January 30th, 2018 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 227 Comments »
Tom Brady is the most accomplished QB of all time, but for my money, Aaron Rodgers is the most talented QB in the game today. He can do freaky things and carry a team on his back. As talented and dynamic as Rodgers is, he only has a 10-7 postseason record and one trip to the Super Bowl. He did win it (back in 2010), but you would think a man with his talent would have been a few times.
The problem isn’t Rodgers. The problem is the team’s failure to properly build around him.
I mention that because the Eagles did not make that mistake. They had an amazing offseason and put the right pieces around (and behind) Carson Wentz to take this team from 7-9 to NFC champs, and hopefully beyond. I wrote about Howie Roseman’s great offseason for PE.com.
There are several guys to give credit to. Roseman is at the top because he pulled the trigger on the big moves. Also:
Joe Douglas – Vice President of Player Personnel
Andy Weidl – Assistant Director of Player Personnel
Dwayne Joseph – Director of Pro Scouting
Anthony Patch – Senior Director of College Scouting
This group found players all over the place. From Alshon Jeffery to Patrick Robinson to Corey Clement to Jake Elliott. I love how creative and aggressive they were. Big signings, little signings, trades…you name it. Anything that could help improve the roster. I also love the fact they never stopped. Bryan Braman didn’t get signed by the Eagles until December, but here he is as a core STer in the friggin Super Bowl.
The offseason never stops.
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Doug Pederson has been masterful this year at knowing what to do and say for this team. His coaching style should help the Eagles this week. It is easy to get uptight in a situation like this. Pederson seemed incredibly loose last night at the Super Bowl media night, or whatever the exact title was.
Doug…if you were a tree, what kind would you be? "A Douglas Fir." Coaching advantage, Eagles.
— Tommy Lawlor (@lawlornfl) January 30, 2018
The person who asked that was joking with him, but Pederson was genuinely proud of himself for coming up with that answer off the cuff. He seemed at ease with all the crazy questions coming at him. He had a big smile on his face and made a genuine effort to be friendly. He joked with people and they seemed to enjoy talking to him, about a variety of subjects.
Coaches set the tone for their team. Players see them and react accordingly.
Pederson has been a loose, fun guy all year. This team has played that way all year. It was good to see him at ease last night. That’s what this team needs.
If he could get me to relax like that, then we’d have a story…
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The Patriots offense isn’t an ideal matchup for the Eagles. This game is going to be a real challenge.
They are likely to go no-huddle and I expect them to throw a lot of screens and other quick passes. Their goal will be to wear down the Eagles DL by not letting them off the field and also making them chase the ball as much as possible.
You can bet they will study the Giants games to see what they can take from those. They have the personnel to execute that type of attack.
Jim Schwartz has had a couple of weeks to get ready. I’m curious to see what he’s going to do.
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I don’t have as good a feel for the Pats defense. I need to watch more of them to figure out what I think they’re strategy is going to be.
Here is a good article on Matt Patricia and his defense.
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Takin’ one for the team: First.
Re: the Patriots offense not being an ideal matchup for us – this is why it’s so important that our offense get out out to a good start and be able to control the ball, and that our defense tackle well. If we can methodically move the ball and turn those drives into points, we can keep our D rested and force the Patriots to make more high risk throws to catch up, and play into the strengths of our D. Meanwhile good tackling will make them work for every point they get if they’re going to dink and dunk.
Following up to your response to me in last thread, I was with someone (Pats fan obv) Sat who was like so how do you see the match up. I said our OL is better than your DL and our DL is better than your OL, but are they enough better to make up for Brady. then I started talking about our OL, and I think he had no preconceived notion of whether they were any good or not.
I will say I’ll start panicking if we are kicking FG’s. FG’s are typically not enough in the end to beat the Pats.
Im Ok if we are on the path to 4 FGs and 2 TDs ..that and 2 turnovers might just squeeeeeeeesk bye
Maybe the Eagles should play the same game other team’s played when they went up against Chip Kelly’s high tempo offense and that’s fake injuries .
Tommy’s almost 40 now. He’s going to need a break with that sooner or later himself. Most likely before Fletcher Cox. He’s only human you know. Hahahaha!
Sean E: 1
Xeynon: 1
RobNE : Back to 0 following the penalty.
Everybody Else: 0
I thought it was a team effort, everyone v. Sean. Move my win to team, and I am ok with -1 personally.
Rule book does not allow trades. Forfeits, however, are acceptable.
Sean E: 1
Xeynon: 1
Everybody Else: 0
RobNE : -1
I also am not trying to be on the leaderboard. This is totally a team effort. I don’t care about personal statistics as long as we win the competition.
you said it was everyone against Sean. Don’t make me go back and look.
Good tackling is the most critical thing by the secondary. When this defense lagged a bit in the 2nd half, they gave up some big plays but it was the YAC on short/immediate routes which really hurt especially vs Giants.
Eagles aren’t going to play press with their corners then they need to make sure the tackle is made.
I wonder if this is one of those games where we play nickel/dime close to 100%. Schwartz has shown the ability to control the run in nickel.
Not sure if Brady will go no-huddle all game, but seems likely.
The Pats start games like a Boxer. See what the other team’s game plan is, cautiously, absorb the damage, come back at half-time with adjustments. So it would be interesting if they came in with the pedal to the metal.
I found an image of TLaw
hiding in terrorchilling out in his sweet digs during Superbowl week. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb06b1778bb1a16d20e88f9bbd380e1251c730beb0733e7ee4668e7bd4e61fb6.jpgRumor has it that Kempski is not allowed inside with his strep throat.
Once again the great TBEisen from over at BGN has poured through the fan comments on Super Bowl Nation about the Eagles most recent game to bring you another edition of “What They’re Saying About the Eagles.”
Last week he produced comments from the AFC fans about the NFCCG. It was great. I know some of you viewed it, This edition is NFCCG Volume II containing comments from fans of the good old NFC that we know and love.
This will pump you up and chew up some of your spare time in the hours and days before the big game. “WTS” is always a treat and is highly recommended. Enjoy!
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/1/29/16921530/what-theyre-saying-nfccg-volume-ii-nfc
Do we expect/want Sidney Jones active and playing in this game if he’s healthy?
I wish but I was proven wrong about their approach with him. It also sounds like he got a hammy when he did play v Dallas. So they probably don’t want to risk it with his health.
no.
Ok…I was just curious. Thanks for the feedback.
Why would he be active? Has Doug found Brady’s kryptonite? Is it rookie DBs with 20 professional snaps under their belt?
Because the coaches feel he’s healthy and contribute? IDK, why is it so far fetched? It’s not like NE has only 1 good wr.
Appreciate the intelligent response. You are the man! 😉
Unless he’s at a place where coaches are super high on him, it will be tough to crack the lineup. The team loves the starters of Darby, Mills, and P-Rob (who’s basically untouchable in the slot). When we need another corner on the field they like moving Jenkins over and throwing another Safety of the field. Beyond that, the next man up at this point is most likely Rasul Douglas. At this point all the depth is for special teams as well. Now if his physical profile was more suitable to handle the Amendolas, he might have a chance of getting his shot if someone else was getting exposed, but Janes is not twitchy or explosive either. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/sidney-jones
So I don’t expect it, but if the coaches are high enough on him to insert him into the Superbowl, that would be impressive and exciting.
Good info Ark! Appreciate the insight sir! I’m just wanting all of our possible defensive weapons available if needed. Najee Good does NOTHING for me, but maybe he’s a decent ST’er.
“They are likely to go no-huddle and I expect them to throw a lot of screens and other quick passes. Their goal will be to wear down the Eagles DL by not letting them off the field and also making them chase the ball as much as possible.” — Cox is the best defensive player — running at him won’t be a good idea. NE isn’t strong enough at the LOS to attack Cox.
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Aaron Rodgers is the most talented QB in the game today. He can do freaky things and carry a team on his back.
— Rodgers is great — but I’m going to disagree with you. 11, IMHO, is the most talented. Maybe Rodgers has been better for a longer period of time — but 11 is pretty damn good…
11 is almost on Rodgers levle in his second year, that’s scary considering that Rodgers wasn’t Rodgers until his fifth year.
Rodgers 5th year in the league (his 2nd starting) are quite similar to Carson’s 2nd year numbers. Rodgers was 26, Wentz was 25.
Nitpick, but Wentz was 24 the entirety of the time he played in 2017. He didn’t turn 25 until Dec. 30th, well after his season ended with a knee injury.
True but it might not be that close if Wentz played a full season.
I was mainly looking at TD to INT ratio and QBR/QB Rating. Yardage was down but I think TDs were similar.
Still, your point is valid on their similarities.
That’s exactly my point. Both had great coaching. Rodgers had an amazing QB to study for a bit. Don’t get me wrong on this — I love Rodgers. There’s just something about this Wentz kid I haven’t seen in a long long time….
I think Rodgers is the most talented QB of all time.
Montana/Elway/Brady/Manning/Roger etc … I see your point though…
“talent” would presumably include arm strength, and Rogers’s arm is on a different level from Wentz’s. Wentz doesn’t make that throw against Detroit from a couple of years ago.
“talent” would also include game managing, line of scrimmage adjustments, seeing/adapting to defense…lots of phases being “most talented” — arm strength alone is not enough…
This is obvious stuff, but the key to stopping a no-huddle is to force some 3&outs. In addition, you need to be willing to burn a timeout if they get a very long completion that ends near the goal line and they’re running up to execute their next play..
Obviously, I’ll be forced to say some nasty things about our defense if it doesn’t cause some 3 & outs.
A little off topic. Now that the Titans hired an OC, that only leaves the Giants as a team in need. I keep reading both Duce and Defillipo as candidates. Shurmur has stated that he will call plays, so his OC would be similar to Reich’s position with the Eagles.
As much as I hate to lose him and for the Giants to gain him, I’d actually be happy for Duce to make the step up to OC.
Doubt losing either would be a big blow and Staley strikes me as a nice guy who will be in over his head as a cordinator even if he isn’t calling plays.
THEY SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT DUG!
Somebody (may have been Doug) called Duce “one of the smartest football minds he’d ever been around”, or something to that effect. Said that Duce had a comprehensive understanding of offensive concepts and what every player’s role on each play is. Sounds like a guy who’d make a good coordinator to me.
I’d be happier seeing Duce, and his stupid substitution patterns at RB, go to NY!
Re Pats going no-huddle and make DL cover field
This is where the many TV timeouts and long halftime will actually be a good thing for us.
And as noted, Eagles are a ball-control, TOP team, and on paper we should be able to bully this Pats defense just the same—which also will help counteract the Pats evil “wear out the DL” schemes.
Ah, I think the Eagles win big, the Pats are ripe for a fall and the Eagles might just be the team to knock them out.
How to beat the Eagles: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2018/qr-bonus-keys-beating-philadelphia
Also, look, the “experts” are split in their predictions. My, that Vikings game changed the narrative! We were unanimously picked against, when the opponent was the Falcons and we were at Home and the opposing QB wasn’t Brady and the opposing coach wasn’t Belichik!
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/features/writers/expert/picks/straight-up/22
Split in the predictions is about where it should be IMO. People were way underrating the Eagles against the Vikings.
I’m just saying, but what people call RPO today are the same thing we used to call ‘Zone Read’.
I could be wrong but I think the zone read is the option for the quarterback to hand it off or run with it, where as an RPO is hand it off or throw it.
RPOs have been around for a long time I think they’ve just gained some popularity this year. Copycat league and all.
I’d counter and say that having the option for the QB to keep it and run with it would be the Zone Read Option.
Which is not a Run Pass Option. Steve is correct.
Zone Read = QB reads the defense and keeps the ball (to throw it) or hands it off. The option addition just means the QB can run the ball himself (that’s the Option offense), or even choose between multiple RBs.
Confusingly, the ‘option’ in Zone Read Option refers to the Option offense – the QB has multiple options to run the ball, possibly himself or maybe 2 RBs. The ‘option’ in RPO is the standard English definition of option – you have a choice between running and passing. There’s no implication of “Option offense” in RPO.
I guess at the end of the day, why are we arguing about what it’s called nowadays? RPO, read option, I don’t give a shit what we call it as long as it keeps working for us.
Its only friggin’ Tuesday???!!!! Why has time just stopped? Doesn’t this violate laws of physics? Who can we arrest for this crime? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
Friggin’ Brady, manipulating the fabrics of the universe thus slowing down time to frustrate Eagles fans, is there any level he won’t stoop to? All I’m saying, is there any proof that he can’t manipulate time? Huh, I thought so. Now where’s the phone number to ESPN?
The NFL is in on this conspiracy as well, scheduling the Super Bowl in a central “time zone” locale — we could be talking upwards of 60 minutes time dilation here.
Yeah, what a load of crap. In Minnesota they even get to see the game an hour before we do.
How much role has Wentz played in providing tips and in game adjustments to Foles in the NFCCG? If I remember it correctly, the 2nd TD to Alshon, Wentz was quite happy and seems he had some role to play in it!
Would be interesting to see if this continues to the SB….
That was a play that Wentz used to run at ND. His ability to study film and contribute insight is on a coach-type level. See the article re the Carolina game.
I did like the question to Belicheck where he was asked about being perceived as a curmudgeon and the followup question if he was aware it was National Curmudegeon Day yesterday?
He just scwouled the entire time at the reporter and then gruffly said no to the followup.
I would have asked as if he was playing Monopoly what would be his preferred method of cheating would be with a followup that if he got caught how would he deny it?
https://youtu.be/0ETui6sKMNU
Doug was practically giddy during the whole thing, totally in charge the whole time too. Good for him.
Julie Ertz’ makes unbelievable tacos.
I can’t think of anything I talk about like these guys talk about “their faith”. Half of the PC is about going to Bible study.
I guess there’s porn. I’ll bring that up at every opportunity in casual conversation. Mostly because I think people should one out more often.
I literally come here everyday to talk about, or read about, or argue about the Eagles. It’s basically a cult at this point.
Can we work on getting tax exempt status?
It’s still better than Brady’s humorless, clueless PC. Good thing for them Belichick is the brains in that operation.
Yea, when they start talking about that stuff I immediately tune out.
I can tell you exactly what will be said after the game.
If the Eagles win…God is great.
If the Eagles lose…Everything happens for a reason.
I do respect how FOles doesn’t say anything like “God was on our side” but that “glory goes to …” That’s a nice piece of humility that I appreciate.
You don’t like it when athletes imply that God prefers them to win?
Oh, I like it….
Only so many times you can answer stupid questions without giving anything up. So god, god, and more god.
The other reason is the same one that has all the politicians saying it. Being religious is still seen as “good”, so they’re all “religious”.
Doug gave up the first play already.
https://youtu.be/KTIad21SLcw
https://youtu.be/qfhhDqgwaV8
The Patriots fans I’ve interacted with over the last several days have been exceptionally smug and overconfident.
I don’t usually gloat or rub it in after Eagles victories, but if they manage to win Sunday, I’m going to make an exception in this case.
I heard one Patriot fan complaining (!) that all there super bowl wins have been in close, nerve-wracking games. They deserved to win by a blowout and that this might be the year. Wow.
That’s fucking entitlement man. We always win, but it’s too close usually, we deserve a blowout.
God, Massachusetts could break off the continental United States and drift out to sea and we’d probably be better off for it.
Minnesota as well.
As least Minnesota wasn’t home to one of the most prolific and long lasting child sex abuse scandals in American history.
Well Minnesota seems like the new home of children.
Isn’t that they’re tourist slogan:
“It’s fucking cold, but at least we don’t have too many pedo priests!!!!! Minnesota!!!”
I have a coworker from St. Cloud, Minnesota. She joked that there’s so much inbreeding in her home county that the slogan is “if you can’t keep it in your pants, keep it in the family”.
Penn State? Oh, you must mean Catholic Church.
Patriots fans are going to be unendurable when Brady retires and Belichick leaves, and they realize that it’s actually really hard to win in the NFL.
That’s okay. There will be far fewer of them.
Give me some notice first?
There was a fairly funny “Patriots Fan” video shared on Facebook, but I couldn’t figure out how to get it here.
It’s a travesty that Green Bay has been gifted Aaron Rodgers (with the 24th overall pick no less) and have squandered so many of his prime years.
Subpar coaches, subpar personnel, the team needs a fucking training staff that knows what they’re doing, they’re perennially among the most injured teams in the league.
Their stubborn insistence on always promoting from within ensures that the cycle of incompetence continues in perpetuity.
Yep. If Belichick had had Rodgers to work with, he’d have won at least five Super Bowls so far. Mike McCarthy is an average coach who’s hung on because he has a great player to cover up his inadequacies.
Here’s one for you: Would Andy Reid have won Super Bowl’s if he had Rodgers?
Maybe. Rodgers is obviously better than McNabb was but I don’t think it was the quality of the quarterbacking that held Andy back. Donovan was a top 5 QB for the better part of a decade and was plenty good enough to win with.
I completely agree. Changing things around, if Donovan was Belichick’s qb, would they have won Super Bowls?
He won one with Mike McCarthy who is pretty much a worse coach than Andy.
I’m not sure if you have been following the news, but there was quite a shakeup in the Packers regime in the past month. Expect changes as Rogers is now 35, injury prone, and in a conference with quite a few good young teams. They know their clock is ticking.
Nothing like waiting until you are pretty sure it is too late…
Some fan bases just love to be married to mediocrity.
(Dallas)
I’m ready to witness a turning point in football history. The end of one dynasty and the beginning of a new one.
DILLY DILLY!! PHILLY PHILLY!!!
Great read on Doug’s days as a high school coach in Louisiana, during which he pulled off some “Friday Night Lights” shit by building a program from scratch at a small school that eventually knocked off a crosstown perennial powerhouse that regularly produced Div-I talent and competed for state championships, despite working with a much more limited talent base.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/30/super-bowl-52-doug-pederson-eagles-high-school-coach-calvary-baptist
Obviously high school is a world away from the NFL, but it really illustrates how smart, hard-working, even-keeled, and meticulous in his preparation Pederson is, and what a mind he has for football strategy. I was already fully a believer after this season, but this just confirms my feeling that we’ve hired a coach who’s going to lead us to sustained success.
Why was nothing like this ever written when Pederson was hired given the tons of reporters who cover the Eagles’ beat?
The charitable view is that reporting on this story required going down to Louisiana and tracking down many former players and associates, and that’s the kind of time-consuming, expensive, deeply reported journalism that sportswriters generally don’t have the time or resources to do, and which only becomes feasible after a guy becomes nationally prominent (such as by reaching a Super Bowl).
The cynical view is that it’s because reporters are lazy and it’s easier to just recycle the standard, available-to-everybody angles focusing on his time in KC, the hiring process, etc.
loathe to link and nfl.com video (that is probably shorter than the ad that precedes it), but I thought this was a cool sentiment of Kurt Warner that I echo strongly
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-bowl/0ap3000000912124/Warner-s-message-to-Wentz-Eagles-don-t-make-it-to-Super-Bowl-without-you
Wouldn’t it be funny if after winning the SB, Doug demanded personnel control like Chip did?
I’m still waiting to laugh…
The difference is Pederson has too much class to ever go in that direction.
And demanded to be GM like andy
These are all beneath him… he will demand for a stake in the ownership from Lurie! 😉
Seriously, how can Schwartz handle playing against a no huddle offense if his defense depends that much on substitutions?
It doesn’t depend on substitutions; the substitution depth of the Eagles is a luxury. Cox and Graham’s reps have gone way up in the postseason.
We will want them fresh for 4th quarter Brady though. TV timeouts and a long half time will help.
Ow! My leg! Injury timeout.
Ah, the anti Kelly approach.
Stupid question – but lets say one of the DEs or DTs who would normally come out get “hurt”, couldn’t we do that to prevent no huddle since we have the subs to rotate anyway? I’m honestly not sure how we would be penalized with time outs. Seems like it could be a legit strategy if need be?
D.L. Doesn’t get gassed on long drives. I’ve not seen it. Patriots usually do a lot of substitutions. Also Jenkins really can play LB or DB or safety, so they won’t have ‘wrong’ personnel on field.
Doesn’t the line rotate on long drives?
I always wonder about this when they talk about the no-huddle preventing substitutions. I understand it prevents the defense from adjusting personnel for the situation, but if a guy is gassed and waves to the sideline that he needs a breather, there should be plenty of time to get off the field after the next play while guys are getting untangled and the ball spotted.
Interesting question. Maybe, the problem is that it takes a lot out of you just to constantly run on and off the field.
He’s been doing a lot less substitution in the playoffs. Nothing to save them for now. Pedal to the Metal for two games. A week off. Winner take all in the Super Bowl.
He can leave his base 4-2-5 on the field – 2 LBs plus Jenkins, McLeod, Darby, Mills and P. Robinson.
Cox used to play half the snaps in the regular season. Now he’s playing 80-85% of the snaps. Jernigan too. Beau Allen gets a few snaps. Destiny Vaeao and those guys, hardly none.
All four DEs will see some time though – Graham, Curry, Long and Barnett.
LBs Bradham and Kendricks get most of the snaps too. Goode and those guys, hardly none.
CBs Darby Mills and Robinson get most of the snaps. R. Douglas hardly none.
The problem remains Brady. This guy is so methodical it’s sickening, especially in the 4th quarter. It’s then that we can’t relent on pressure. Yes, the players you mentioned have been known to play more downs, but more often than not the team had a comfortable lead and/or a QB that didn’t scare anyone.
The one game that was encouraging was the Rams game because even though the defense played lousy that day, the line came through late in the game.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/29/doug-pederson-philadelphia-eagles-super-bowl-52-brett-favre-peter-king&ved=2ahUKEwjusNrBw4LZAhUS2GMKHSlWB6MQFjADegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw1R3HEbdS0dlZTb1yxekIM5
I’m not real good at this, so I hope the above gets you to the article where I got Favre’s quote about Pederson. It was part of MMQB written by Peter King for Sports Illustrated.
Baldy. How eagles can win
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=njAaKD9LsF4
I don’t think we talked enough about how willingly Darby sacrificed his body to block on the pick 6, or how thoroughly he was wrecked.
不错！不错！感觉好极了！
Super Bowl is on 2004, full game 2nd half just started. NFL network.
Listen with 2 minutes left as Joe Buck says the single best comment hes ever made
Game is being interrupted, Alex smith traded to redskins.
Redskins trading for Alex Smith! lol.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22268637/kansas-city-chiefs-trade-quarterback-alex-smith-washington-redskins
LMAO
How can you do a trade even only in principle right now
Damn. Well, not sure how much better than Cousins he is, and a much more limited future. But he will keep the Redskins relevant.
Cousins will get paid, that’s for sure. He could probably pick between the Vikings, Broncos, and Jaguars, all of whom have good defenses. Though the Vikings could keep with Keenum possibly, or even Bridgewater. There are still QB dominos to fall this offseason, but this was a big one — takes Smith off the board, and probably not much more happens to until Cousins signs somewhere.
Man it feels good to not be part of that carousel.
That’s a lateral move, or at best a marginal upgrade. And the Skins sound like they’re committing to him long term. Color me very, very unafraid.
Banner really likes the move for Redskins but I’m not sure why.
I’m sure Banner is looking at it from the standpoint that they weren’t going to be able to resign or re-re-franchise Cousins. So if you accept their complete bungling of the whole resigning Cousins thing as a foregone conclusion then they needed to do something at QB lest they become the Cleveland Browns. In that case Alex Smith for a 3rd round pick and a player isn’t a terrible save given their predicament. It’s still a laughably shitty place for them to end up, but it could have been worse.
True makes sense.
I’m just gonna go out on limb here and assume that Gruden had no say in this trade and didn’t want Alex Smith.
Well, I GUESS I’d rather have Alex…?
Knowing the way Chainsaw Dan Snyder operates, that’s almost guaranteed.
It’s kind of fun living in Redskins country as an Eagles fan. They really are a mess.
Gruden is just happy to have his job
Anyone going to be in San Fran for the super bowl?
Rappaport is reporting a $94mil extension with $71mil in guarantees. Holy shit.
Wut lol.
Love ya Dan Snyder – Eagles fans
I think Cousins might do a great job up in Buffalo .. is Andrew Luck trying to get out of Indy ??
But im happy facing eli, dak & alex smith twice a year for a while
Luck is probably never throwing a ball again.
Pretty sure he’s going to the Jaguars. Fat contract, better weather, and blah blah.
They cant drop Bortles now… his 5th year option is ~$18mil, and is already fully guaranteed for injury, and becomes fully guaranteed in March. With his hand surgery there is way Bortles will pass a physical he can pass a physical by the fully guaranteed date, meaning they will need to pay Bortles in 2018.
I just don’t see how you pay Bortles $18mil and $30+mil for Cousins in 2018… I think Denver is the obvious spot for Cousins personally.
It depends on if Bortles can recover in time. I believe the 19 million is only guaranteed after the new season starts, which is about 5 weeks from now. The Jaguars are cutting it very close and that’s the over side not the under with the recovery time. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re stuck with Bortles if they can’t cut him in time due to the injury not healing in time.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/958549939398815744
Wow
This is a win for the Birds.
I don’t disagree. But I am surprised about the compensation, given Garoppolo. I understand age is different and it was a known leverage weakener that they had to deal him, but still.
What do you mean? Jimmy is better and way younger. Fuller is a very promising CB IMO though he may not be in it now.
Body of work prior to trade doesn’t necessarily reflect that (talking QBs)
That’s not the only factor how they decide value. Jimmy has more value. I’ll take a young Jimmy all day long over noodle arm aging Alex Smith . You wouldn’t take Garoppolo over Smith?
And Kendall Fuller is a nice piece also.
Well we’ll see. Of course there are other factors. But can you honestly say that you were just as all over jimmy gs jock prior to him going to San Fran?
Yes certainly over Alex Smith. He has a better arm. He was well liked across the league. I also liked Carson Wentz when he got preseason hype heading into his senior year the August after he won an FCS championship after I watched all 4 playoff games on youtube.
I don’t necessarily think Jimmy’s going to win a Super Bowl but 26 year old vs. 33 year old who looks like he is starting to fade?
Smiith isn’t worth a second and they got a good 22 year old CB and a third anyhow.
https://twitter.com/KeFu11er/status/958551017121091584?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Well, this is getting interesting.
Well that sucks. I was hoping he was in the deal.
This is the LOLskins… it’s perfectly plausible that they botched notifying the player. Maybe they even told the wrong guy he was traded.
He is he doesn’t know it yet
Not
For
Long
Washington media guy. Seems like a few national and Wash reporters are saying he’s in the deal. This is good for us if he’s in the deal.:
https://twitter.com/granthpaulsen/status/958561892087271425
https://twitter.com/KeFu11er/status/958567846459658245?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0
Don’t worry Kendall. KC is a great town. Especially if you enjoy eating Steaks. #BeefCountryDude
You know it’s a bad trade when
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/958534436714246144
Hmmm, Alex Smith to the Redskins. Now, I know the Chefs are high on the guy they drafted this year, but what about a veteran presence?
Nick Foles, anyone?
Yeah, what is that guy’s name? Kevin Kolb or something?
Let’s see what Nicky does on Sunday first. His ceiling might be a little higher than Kansas City placeholder.
Let’s hope.
How is this happening with the trade deadline passed?
It’s not technically happening until March. This is modern sports news. Deadlines are weaker than paper tigers.
Remember when Andy Reid decided to go with the young guy he drafted and traded the aging vet to Washington where Snyder immediately gave him a huge contract and things never worked out? Ah, good time, good times.
Imagine how much it would suck to have a front office that didn’t even make you believe that they would only make each mistake once.
It’s amazing how “accomplished” a QB can seem when they routinely cheat to win.
I refuse to talk about any Patriot accomplishments without asterisks.
Between the tuck rule and spygate, it’s the dynasty that never should have been.
Oh my god this Washington trade is amazing. Smith is on the downslope of his career and they just gave him a big extension, and he’s at best marginally better than Kirk Cousins, but who knows how he’ll adapt to a new team and offensive system, considering it took years with Andy before he was more than a game manager.
Just a glorious bit of news.
I don’t know that a 34 year old Alex Smith is ever marginally better than a 29 year old Cousins.
Rock on, Foreskins. Rock on.
Trust Washington to make a win now kind of trade when they don’t have a win now kind of roster. I love it.
Seeing the Eagles in the Super Bowl drove Snyder to this madness. I’ve already convinced myself of this.
Eagles in the Super Bowl? Hahaha. The NFC East can’t take it!
Maybe the Cowboys will sign Terrell Owens this off season.
That would actually be a better move than this one.
Absolutely he probably thinks they’ll get intel on Pederson. I’ll never forget Jay Gruden was so pissed we were able to trade up for Wentz. So they’re so butt hurt over us.
Cousins should have taken a reasonable deal, he put himself in this position.
He’s in a great position and will get paid a lot more than Smith on the open market. Probably Elway in Denver will go overboard.
lol. If Alex Smith is worth $71mil in guarantees, what do you think Cousins is in line for? Cousins played this exactly correct from a money standpoint, and now gets his pick of a couple ready-made teams.
The position of getting paid.
The position where multiple teams will offer him a goldmine and he can choose a better organization? After taking franchise money for two years?
Broncos (Elway) have seemed willing to pay boatloads of money, but no draft picks, in obtaining QBs — so they would probably be very attracted now.
Jaguars could well be interested too. Maybe Vikings, if they ditch all three QBs they have. Bills. Maybe a couple of others I’m forgetting. There are teams that are pretty well set up except at QB and Cousins will cost nothing but (lots of) money. And you aren’t getting a stud unless you hit the jackpot in the draft.
I know. Somehow the Skins managed to give up assets to get older and worse at the QB position. Comedy gold.
https://twitter.com/granthpaulsen/status/958561892087271425
LOLSkins
Report: Browns tried to trade for Alex Smith
Posted by Charean Williams on January 30, 2018, 10:29 PM EST
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/30/report-browns-tried-to-trade-for-alex-smith/
(Maybe they can pick up Kirk Cousins now…)
What’s with Nick’s nerd glasses haha?
Nick’s rockin it!
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I vote for Pedro to win the Super Bowl!
Time to get that first ring!
https://twitter.com/SamuelRGold/status/958568424782876672
I just can’t see our Eagles coming all this way just to fold to New England. I know the game is played on the field so they have to execute to have a shot. These guys have come together and fought through a LOT and the chance to get here again may or may not ever happen again. FINISH!!!
I agree, this won’t be the like some trash squad like the 2000 Giants rolling into the Super Bowl to get beat down by the Ravens type game.
The local “$1.99 cleaners” will clean all Eagles jerseys and garments free this week.
Yes indeed, folks. This whole region is excited!
Clean them? It’ll wash out the luck!
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The Washington Redhawks did what???
Love how that imbecile put it out there during our week and their fans are pissed they trade Fuller.
I’m giving this by Xeynon a needed bump:
“Re: the Patriots offense not being an ideal matchup for us – this is why it’s so important that our offense get out out to a good start and be able to control the ball, and that our defense tackle well.”
Amen on the tackling. Other than vs. Gronk, maybe, I’m not trying to see missed tackles on this team. There was way too much of that early vs. Minnesota and I don’t see Walter Payton or Jerry Rice lining up for the Pats this Sunday. Brady is certainly going to complete passes, but the Eagles need to bring down running backs at the line and receivers where they catch it. NO YARDS AFTER CONTACT/CATCH!!!!
I disagree that the Patriots offense is not an ideal matchup. Any offense that has Brady at QB is not ideal; otherwise, we match up pretty well with the rest of their offense.
They have a good slot receiver in Amendola, we have arguably one of the best slot cornerbacks in Robinson.
They have a speedy wide receiver in Cooks, we have a CB in Darby that is just as fast.
They have a big TE with great hands, we have a Pro Bowl safety in Jenkins (and presumably help from McLeod).
Love Jenkins – but he’s not enough for Gronk. Help will be needed. I think people are under estimating how good NE is….
“and presumably help from McLeod”
Nobody is underestimating the Pats, quite the opposite.
The mismatch on this side of the ball is going to be the NE RBs vs. our linebackers in coverage. Especially when we have three LBs on the field. Belichick is basing his offensive gameplan on this mismatch, he is probably having wet dreams where White and Lewis are running wheel routes against Goode and Ellerby.
But. Schwartz is not dummy and he trusts his DL to handle business from the nickle package. Expect us to match up a DB with a RB for most of the game.
Then what – NE goes two back sets to force a RB-LB matchup in the passing game and it is all going to be screens and splits for the halfbacks? My guess is that a Safety will pull up to cover that scenario and they will look to pass it against single coverage on the other side of the field (gronk or cooks).
This game is going to come down to wether our DBs can play man coverage and force some incompletes on an island. Also, I may be going crazy playing out this game in my mind.
The way to combat that is by using the big nickle (3 safety sets) when you would normally go 3 LBs.
Yea, I find this interesting. You think we are going to see a lot of Corey Graham in this game? Because I dont really know about him making tackles in the open field on guys like Dion Lewis and Gronk. I mean, that is probably a matchup Belichick will love to go after.
In the NFC Championship Game, Schwartz stayed in nickel or dime all game with the exception of the first series and Minnesota still couldn’t run the ball. I’d expect the same philosophy against the Pats.
I’d imagine we’ll see a lot of Corey Graham with his responsibility being the RB.
“Also, I may be going crazy playing out this game in my mind.” Me too!
I wonder if I will be any less insane by this time monday. Regardless of the outcome. I fear not.
I wish Lawrence Maroney was still their starting RB.
Schefter reported that 6 teams had called KC about Smith. Even in this flooded market, it seems calling the bidding a month early might have cost them some value.
as I posted in previous threads — this is not a QB flooded market. There are a couple ‘OK’ QB’s available. Flooded? Where?
He is likely anticipating the flood brought on by the RAinmAkEr.
Remember last off-season when we debated whether it would be dumber for Washington to let a quality QB with plenty of years ahead of him walk out the door or to pay an enormous sum of money to a QB that probably wasn’t good enough to get you to the top?
No one suggested that they do both! LolSkins outflanked us again.
End of 2016 — everything is going great for Cousins. Then coordinator leaves for another job. Cousins had little direction last year. Shame too, I liked him.
Well that and his entire OL getting injured. That will hurt any QB. His passing stats were really not much worse than 2016. All his figures were ballpark, except sacks went from 23 to 41. So when he was able to get the ball off, he was about as good.
I don’t get the feeling he wanted to stay in Washington, so he has played himself into a huge payday with a team he probably prefers. And got franchise money for two years. Took the risk on himself not getting injured, and now it will pay off.
The one thing about Cousins stats is that they schew wildly when you split them into games played against teams with a winning record and losing record. In 2016 he played a number of terrible teams and padded his stats, then lost games to the rest of them. This year it is more muddy, but he still has a fairly terrible track record against good opponents. This all gets lost in the scuffle, but to me that is an undersold storyline about him. My feeling is that he is going to be more of a game manager than anything else. And Alex Smith is a better QB.
Redskins wins this year include: Late (very bad) Cardinals, Broncos and Giants teams, pre-Garoppolo 49’ers and a the broken Raiders early. All teams with a very bad record. The two victories against winning teams were against the Rams in week 2 and the 9-7 Seahawks in week 9, where the offense managed to score 17 points.
So I guess Cousins had one impressive victory against the Rams in week two. In comparison he lost games to the eagles (twice), chiefs, cowboys (twice), vikings, saints and chargers.
In other words, I am not buying Cousins at all. He beats poor teams and consistently gets beat badly against playoff teams. for this reason I was really hoping that Snyder would pay him a kings ransom in the end. Now good luck to whatever teams overpays for him in FA.
I kind of like him too, which is why I don’t think it is a shame at all. He is going to get paid more, likely in a healthier organization, and undoubtedly one where I am more comfortable wishing him well.
Now, for Alex Smith? THAT is a shame.
“It’s something I’ll probably address later,” Douglas said. “I think everybody in this position is confident in their abilities. But I couldn’t be happier.” — Music to my ears. Douglas, and a few other coordinators are key to keeping some continuity for next year or so.
Let’s go EAGLES!!!
I just picked up my dog mask here as they’re sold out everywhere.
https://www.thetroveshop.com/collections/frontpage/products/costume-party-latex-dog-head-mask-german-shepherd
Does anyone have a link to the first press conference that Doug gave as Eagles coach? I feel like I remember it being a little cringey at times and I bet it would be cool to compare then Doug to Super Bowl Doug