The Goat Slayer
Posted: February 5th, 2018 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 436 Comments »
Nick Foles played the game of his life against the Vikings. I just didn’t see how he could play better than that.
But he did.
The numbers were great, 28-43-373 with 3 TDs and an INT. You really need context to appreciate how good those numbers are.
The NFC Championship was a blowout. Foles played at a high level, but there wasn’t a lot of pressure on him after the first few minutes. The Eagles fell behind 7-0, but Patrick Robinson tied the game at 7-7 with his pick-six. From then on, Foles played even or with the lead. Once the 2nd half rolled around, Foles had a big lead to work with.
Playing with a lead allows the QB to relax. Every play isn’t life and death.
The Super Bowl was anything but relaxing. The Eagles did get out to a 15-3 lead, but the Patriots kept punching. Eventually the Eagles trailed, 33-32. Foles looked the same late that he did early in the game. He was playing out of his mind. He looked like he was having a blast out there.
The Eagles defense, so good in the last month, struggled mightily, playing its worst game of the year. Foles and the offense had to match scores with Tom Brady, arguably the greatest QB of all time. Bill Belichick, arguably the greatest coach of all time, was on the other sideline. Rob Gronkowski, arguably the greatest TE of all time, came up big after halftime and looked unstoppable.
Think about that for a second. Foles was up against a great offense with some all-time great pieces. He didn’t flinch. Foles led the Eagles to 538 yards and 41 points. In the freaking Super Bowl.
Every time Brady and the Pats punched, Foles punched right back. Harder.
This is the equivalent of getting in a cheeseburger eating contest with Andy Reid or a stick-figure drawing contest with Jimmy Bama. You just aren’t going to win. But Foles did.
Watch the way he played. There was a terrific throw to Alshon Jeffery 34 yards downfield for a TD. There was a great throw to Nelson Agholor over the middle on a 4th quarter drive. Foles made an incredible throw when he hit Corey Clement for a 22-yard TD. These passes were into tight windows. They were accurate and they had good touch. The winning TD to Zach Ertz was right on the money, so Ertz could catch it on the run and get additional yards.
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Foles threw well on the move. He made plays to the left and right while out of the pocket. There was a throw in the 4th quarter where he dropped his arm level and went side-arm to get around a defender. The degree of difficulty on these plays was high. Foles wasn’t Checkdown Charlie, with some fluke big plays. He put on a QB clinic.
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That performance has led to a lot of discussion about his future and that is a tricky subject.
Carson Wentz is the best QB on the Eagles roster. He is the heart and soul of this franchise. Don’t fall into the trap of thinking Foles performance shows that this is all due to a great scheme and supporting players. Trust your eyes. Wentz did some amazing things this year. He is a special QB, the kind of guy you build a franchise around.
Foles was a backup QB this year, but that description is far too generic. He started in 2013 and posted amazing numbers. He finished that year with a rating of 119.2. For some perspective, let’s compare that to A.J. Feeley, another good Eagles backup QB. Feeley had one single game in his career with a rating above what Foles did for the 2013 season. Foles just isn’t a normal backup. Honestly, he’s one of the more confusing QBs I’ve ever watched.
Good Foles can play with anyone. Bad Foles can lose to anyone.
He just led the Eagles to a Super Bowl title, but think about what you saw. The Eagles O-line was dominant. Foles had plenty of time to find receivers. Alshon Jeffery and Corey Clement each made big-time catches. Nelson Agholor and Zach Ertz were clutch and kept the chains moving all game. The gameplan was brilliant and there were open receivers all game long. The Eagles ran 27 times for 164 yards. Foles had a lot of help.
Think back to 2013. The Eagles had arguably the best OL in the league, with all five starters playing all 16 games. Brent Celek and Ertz were good TEs. DeSean Jackson and Riley Cooper each had the best year of their careers. Jason Avant was a dependable slot receiver. Shady McCoy led the NFL in rushing. Foles was playing in a scheme and style the NFL wasn’t used to. Foles took advantage of those circumstances and played at a high level.
In 2014, things were different. Lane Johnson was suspended for four games and the OL had injuries to deal with. DeSean was gone. Cooper was erratic. Shady wasn’t as dynamic. Foles came down to Earth. He led the Eagles to a 6-2 record and was solid, but you could see his flaws.
Foles isn’t a player you build a franchise around. He’s the guy you want if you have the right circumstances. If you put Foles on the Browns this year, they win three or four games. He’s a good leader, will protect the ball and can make some plays. But if he’s surrounded by mediocre pieces, you aren’t getting Super Bowl Nick. You’re getting the guy from 2014-2015. We saw his struggles in the Oakland game this year. Weather was a factor, but he still didn’t play well.
I could see a team talking themselves into trading for Foles. The Super Bowl has a dangerous effect on coaches and GMs. If some team did offer a 2nd round pick for Foles, the Eagles would have to listen. Before the Super Bowl, I thought there was no chance of that. Now, I think it is possible. Buffalo, the Jets, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Denver, Minnesota and Arizona could all make some sense for him. Minnesota might be the best fit, as crazy as that would be.
I wonder if Foles would want to be traded. Remember that he contemplated walking away from the game a few years ago. He was miserable as a Ram. Foles won’t want to go through an experience like that again. There are no guarantees about Wentz’s health for 2018. There is some real logic in keeping him around.
The Eagles should be Super Bowl contenders again in 2018. I only deal Foles if some team makes a great offer and if Foles is completely on board with it. He just delivered a Super Bowl to this franchise. You don’t banish him to the highest bidder for the heck of it.
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One of the things that makes Foles valuable to the Eagles and potential suitors is his clutch play.
He has started four playoff games. He is 3-1 and has a rating of more than 100 in each game. He’s only thrown one pick and that wasn’t really his fault. Jeffery tipped the ball to the inside and it went right to a DB.
Foles came into the Rams game in December with the Eagles trailing. He led them on a FG drive to cut into the lead. They got the go-ahead points after a turnover and helped to bleed the clock with a crucial 3rd-down conversion late in the game.
The next week the Eagles fell behind 20-7. Foles rallied the team and led them to a 34-29 win.
He made clutch throws late in the Raiders game to help the Eagles get into scoring position. They won that game.
Foles could be really attractive to a contender. He can handle pressure situations. He’s got the right demeanor and it seems to bring out the best in his play. That’s what makes the Vikings such an interesting fit, along with their scheme and players. That team is built to win now.
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Trading Foles for a 2nd round pick this offseason is nuts.
This team is really set up from a roster and contract perspective to be strong contenders over the next 2 years. It also looks like there are going to be any sufficient departures from the coaching staff or front office either this offseason.
With the questions surrounding Wentz, keeping Foles almost becomes a necessity. Otherwise, the Eagles have to go out and sign a veteran backup this offseason because starting Sudfeld or a QB they would draft is a poor solution for a team that will have lofty goals next season.
Hopefully Wentz provides them a long-term competitive window over the next decade but I want the Eagles to be greedy & have every intention of defending their title next year.
What I do want to see is a bit more digression is not necessarily trading mid-rounds picks for veteran stop-gaps and a willingness to move on from veterans as necessary (e.g. Peters) even if those moves are unpopular in the short term.
It’s not nuts. Listen foles is the man. He has gotten his jersey up there with White, Brown, Dawkins and a few other players who’s jersey you will always be able to wear proudly.
The thing is. I think Foles deserves a chance to be the man. And the fact that we are up against the cap is an issue too. He’s not going to get a long term chance to start here and if he does play the first few games next year and tanks what does that do to his value ? The best move for Foles financially ( and I want that man to get PAID) is to strike while the iron is hot. His value will never be higher. I don’t think we should trade him for nothing. But if we can get something and get that beautiful human being a huge payday. Do it. I hope some team throws the moon at him. ( preferably in the afc because I’d hate to root against him).
Free Nick Foles!
Ultimately, isn’t this what we all should want for him. He has given this fanbase everything and done so in the most classy and impressive way possible. Whatever he wants for himself right now I want the FO to just give it to him. He has earned it. He wants to go start somewhere and sign a huge contract, let him go. He doesnt’ want to play for that team even if they do offer good picks? Don’t trade his rights. He wants to stay here one more year? Keep him and go into 2018 with the best QB-setup in the league and a team that is ready to defend the title. Whatever he likes better, just let him have it and say ‘thank you and we hope you return to the organisation in some way’ wether as a player, coach, mentor, announcer, scout, sideline reporter or just the guy who hands over the lombardi trophy we win in the far future. He is the ultimate character in Eagles lore now and will be forever, so.. Free Nick Foles.
This is exactly right. We don’t know what Foles wants. He could want to go be a starter in a good situation. He could like being in Philadelphia and accept being Wentz’s backup again next season. Whatever he wants, the Eagles should work with him to give it to him. He earned it.
Completely agree. Let him decide what he wants to do. The Eagles have 2 months to enjoy this and Foles can decide then. I personally hope he stays and signs a 3 year extension as a well paid (but not cap breaking) backup.
Nobody disputes that Carson is the franchise QB here, including Nick. I like how you said, “only if he wants to leave, you don’t just banish the Super Bowl MVP for the sake of a good business decision”. That’s what I believe Jeff Lurie is about, he will not get rid of nick just to get a 2nd or even 1st round pick. That’s why Dorenbos is getting a ring. That’s why I’ve loved the Eagles for many decades. We should be a team of brotherhood and character. That’s what I believe this team is. The Eagles of the past have made mistakes, letting Reggie White leave, not keeping Brian Dawkins, but outside of that, I think the Eagles have done their best to be loyal to the players who are loyal to the Eagles. Honestly, Nick Foles is deserving of a statue next to Rocky. Props to Sly, but Nick is a real Philadelphia hero. Amazing team effort, but we don’t get a supebowl without Nick. Listen to the man speak; same humble team oriented guy we drafted in 2012. Aside from the brief chip era, and Lurie learned his lesson, you don’t let great eagles Fly away. I bet Nick is fine being a QB on the Eagles helping Carson and the team anyway he can. Nick doesn’t have anything else to prove. He made it.
“One-Two-Three! FAMILY!”
How counter-intuitive of a professional athlete to be satisfied being a backup. You can’t last at the professional level without having a drive to be “The Man”.
But Nick has a unique journey and a unique perspective. It would be cool if it worked for him to stay beyond next season. Howie, Doug and Jeffery have some tough decisions to make.
It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. Nick IS a Philly legend now. I think the Eagles will tread lightly on how they deal with potential opportunities to move him.
Tell that to the head coach or the OC
There’s also a difference between “I’m happy to be the backup QB” and “I’m happy to be the backup QB in Philadelphia” – it’s a contextual thing, accepting the guy ahead of you is more talented is not the same as accepting that you’ll never be good enough.
Heh. Especially since Foles has already proved that he’s “good enough.” SB MVP! That’s elite company, and can never be taken away from him. Heck, even that doesn’t fully capture what he was able to do Sunday. If I was Nick, I’d feel comfortable with never having to prove anything else about my QB abilities. But that’s probably why I never got past high school athletics 🙂
I hear you but who doesn’t want to be the starter? Especially when you’ve been a Super Bowl MVP? If Nick wants to stay a backup in Philly, he is indeed a rare bird. Suitors will be calling Howie. Eagles have to handle this right.
I’m a nerd, so I look at it from a Star Trek, Picard Riker deal. Picard went down for awhile, Riker took over and beat back the Borg. He was also ok with second fiddle. Someone has to be that guy, or gal, in real life.
I don’t know Star Trek like that but I get the concept. In his short career Nick has seen what life in the NFL is like in less than optimal environments (Fisher’s Rams). He contemplated retirement after that experience!
So being in Philly, where he is a Legend for Life is not too bad. Also, the way Carson plays he may well have plenty of opportunities to play next season (if he’s not traded)
For me, what happens with Nick going into next season will be the most intriguing storyline.
As much as I love defense, and love that the defense made it possible for this Superbowl to happen… I’m thinking that if I do pick a 2017 Eagles memory item… It has to be a Nick Foles jersey.
The didn’t LET Reggie White leave…
Norm Brahman was not a good owner, he did not create the kind of atmosphere where we could’ve kept Reggie White. If I’m not mistaken, it boiled down to him not wanting to pay Reggie what he was worth. So, in my mind Reggie was a loyal player, but the owner/management was not loyal to their players. Thats why I say it was management’s fault.
Crazy how Foles is the easily the best Eagles’ QB performer in the playoffs albeit a small sample size (4 GS).
– Cunningham was terrible here in the playoffs especially as a starter (7 G, 5 GS)
– Jaworksi (7 GS) was mediocre overall
– McNabb (16 GS) had more ups than down and was better than Jaworski; some of his poor performances in big games are well noted.
I like Jaws, and the other guys, but with all due respect the difference is that Nick didn’t choke. Boom, there it is.
I remember the Super Bowl 15 Eagles. They had plenty of confidence ahead of the NFC Championship Game vs. Dallas. But Jaws went 9-29 for 91 yards and 2 INTs. Just looked it up. Wilbert won the game with big runs. Eagles won 20-7 and went to the Super Bowl.
But I remember when the Eagles were introduced for that Super Bowl, those guys were wide-eyed and scared-looking. It seemed like the stage was too big for them. They were over achievers anyway. But they looked like they were psyched out before the game even started.
You are right when you say Nick didn’t choke. They were Underdogs, but the stage never looked too big for them. The whole team. Doug was determined and prepared the team well. And Nicky is Mr. Cool in big games as long as the pocket is clean for him.
It was 3 degrees with a blustery wind for the 1980 NFC Championship Game. The Eagles were missing several of their wideouts with injuries (Carmichael was healthy) and started a guy in Rodney Parker who they had signed off the street a few weeks prior — he had been a Sheriff’s Deputy in New Orleans, if memory serves.
That was no day to be chucking the ball around the Vet. It was one of the most brutal weather days I have ever seen in Philadelphia. Plus, on the first play of the game Jaworski got absolutely hammered by Randy White, one of the meanest defensive linemen who has ever lived. Jaws and every other Eagle were incredibly awesome that day, still one of the greatest days I have ever experienced in Eagle history.
And on the flip side, Danny White went 12-31 for 127, 0 TDs, 1 INT in that game. Neither team was able to pass well in that cold and wind, so I wouldn’t lay it on Jaws just not showing up. The Super Bowl, well, Jaworski did have a bad day, but so did a lot of guys: the DL couldn’t get to Plunkett, Wilbert was shut down, etc.
Maybe coaching matters…
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Epic sh*t. And it works on many levels for our beloved Philadelphia Eagles. This Eagle had momentum and then just crushed his opponent (literally) and just threw him to the ground. And it surprised his opponent.
For the right price I’m open to trading Nick. He has 1 year left on his contract, and probably wants the chance to go try and start again for someone.
It has to be a good offer though. If someone offers you a mid first for Nick Foles do you really pass on that?
He played the 2 best games of his career right when we needed him to, but realistically that is not going to be the guy you would get week in and week out in the regular season. He has tremendous value as a backup and could be a good starter for someone. So what kind of offer does it take to move him?
Personally I’m not hanging onto him for sentimentality and the 1 year he has left on his deal – if the right offer comes.
I’d be surprised if they turned down a first for him. But I don’t know what they’d do if the offer was a pick outside the top 40ish.
They’ve got to consider the locker room too. We have a window so having a great backup is good. We wouldn’t have a SB Championship.
If CW got hurt can they find a backup who the team will believe in. They obviously believe in Foles. The state of backups in the NFL is really bad even if Keenum and Foles had success.
It’s not just sentimental but that’s important. Foles does deserve respect so I would try to find a good situation for him if I decided to move him if the offers were close. . We might want him back some day too if we moved him. .
He’s still valuable as a player. Relationships and team liking each other was a big factor in our success. We’re a contender and he’s proven under the biggest pressure.
I’m not so sure we fans are the best judge of this stuff. Doug clearly has seen things in him and he was right. It’s a difficult decision no doubt. There are strong merits to both sides.
So, trade Foles to the Vikings, sign Keenum as a backup to Wentz?
You’re right, have to think about the locker room. But if Foles wants to be the man somewhere, his teammates will be happy about him leaving. Of course, from a egoistic standpoint, it’s great to have a great back-up like him. But his teammates want the best for him, I’m pretty sure about that. And I’m not even talking money (Foles doesn’t need any, he won’t say no to more, though), I’m talking about being the Starter.
And don’t forget, Sudfeld is very popular around his teammates. At least I read that a few times now. He has one full season and will get one full Offseason with the team. I tend to trust our Coaching staff enough to develop a good back-up out of him. He has the arm. He seems to have the right attitude.
I’d trust the guys who just beat Brady/Belichick with a back-up QB and without much help from the Defense to make it work if Sudfeld has to play a few games.
Agreed. I was also talking about the locker room trusting in Nick to carry them to a Lombardi Trophy or the playoffs vs. other alternatives if Carson was injured. I’m pretty sure there wouldn’t be anyone as backup they’d believe in more to go to war with than Nick.
I am willing to give Pederson the leeway to make the decision and support it but I don’t know if they can make it work and get the same performance and results from Sudfeld. It’s just not that easy. I don’t think Daniel or Sudfeld would have made it work like Nick and led us to a Super Bowl Championship. Obviously it may never come to that again but their job is to prepare the best they can.
The coaches can only prepare them. They don’t make the throws. That said Nick also needed all the help he got from coaching and his teammates too.
We just don’t know enough about Sudfeld. But if they go in that direction I think DP & Co. have earned the trust until further notice.
This Super Bowl Win IS sentimental. Philly was a city starved and obsessed with getting a SB. There is no pick or player we could get in compensation for the Value Nick has been to the team. The Patriots evaluate their players as yearly commodities, that’s Patriot football; that’s not Eagle football. Eagle fans are some of the most passionate fans period. That passion and teamwork is how the Eagles won… with Nick Foles.
Nick has earned the right to do what he wants to do within the franchise. He will never get a better opportunity to go someplace to start again, but he also has a great opportunity to stay and compete for more championships in Philly.
His trade value is probably a 2nd max. Maybe throw in an additional mid round pick, but I don’t see a team giving up a 1st for him.
Do you realize howie got a 1 and a 4 for sam bradford who has done nothing ever . No pro bowl no all pro no playoffs no winning seasons . He got a 1st and 4th for that guy .Foles has a probowl he has a jersey in the hall of fame he has playoff victories he has a SB victory he has a SB mvp. If the guy isnt worth better than a 1 and a 4 i dont know who is .
It took a catastrophic injury to Bridgewater before the season started and there weren’t a lot of options for the Vikings having decided they wanted to have as good a season as they could..
The Vikings made a questionable and desperate decision. Those were extenuating circumstances. But I wouldn’t completely rule out anything when it comes to the Nfl GMs and QBs .
They pass on good and great ones and overpay for not so great ones.
Still the vikings way overpaid for a QB that never even showed he could be average that is the desperation there. This could be someone overpaying for a QB that has shown the ability to play his greatest football at the most crucial of times . If i was a GM and needed that final piece like denver or buffalo in particular with all their draft capital im absolutely giving up what it takes to get that guy . Look at buffalo lots of draft capital they have dealt many times with the eagles in the past former eagles DC there lots of people with Philadelphia ties they play NE twice a yr why wouldnt they over pay for someone like foles. They have a good OL their wrs r coming along and so is the defense . If they had a QB they could seriously compete.
We got a 1 and a 4 for Bradford? Then we should be able to get twenty seven 1’s for Nick Foles.
Bradford was drafted 1st overall. That goes a long way in NFL front offices. He seemed healthy, the Vikings were desperate for a QB, and a perfect storm took place.
I don’t think that any team would give up a 1st for Nick Foles. He’s only under contract for one more year, and outside of this championship run, and 2013, he’s been highly inconsistent as a QB in the NFL.
As I said, I don’t expect anything more than a 2 and a conditional pick to go along with it, if they trade him.
Having a top backup QB and now one who isn’t phased by playoff and Super Bowl pressure can’t be ignored.
I think we can trade down in this draft which looks good but the more picks the better. A top 40 pick is attractive but for great QB insurance for a Super Bowl contender, I don’t know.
His value will be at an all-time high but I’d be surprised if we got a first for him. Although I don’t consider the top QBs can’t miss QBs, there are a lot of QBs in this draft. Even two under the radar guys made noise at the Senior Bowl a kid from Chester County that NFL QB hotbed and Mike White.
I’d rather trade him to the AFC than Minnesota if we do.
As far as the Eagles trading Foles, a lot depends on Wentz’s progress and what the Eagles feel about Sudfeld.
Let’s not forget, the same group of coaches (Pederson, Reich, and DeFillipo) that interviewed Wentz before the 2016 draft, also interviewed Sudfeld. There had to be something they liked or they wouldn’t have made him the highest paid player on the practice squad and then put him on their 53 man roster rather than lose him to the Colts. Just last week, Pederson praised Sudfeld by claiming he was good enough to give the defense a good workout in practice.
If the Eagles feel they have something in Sudfeld, it will be easier to part ways with Foles.
Good point. Hey these particular coaches (not Chip Kelly lol) know way more than me but it still seems a big leap from Nate to Nick. The other side of that is Nick had experience and as Pederson said his experience was huge.
The ideal situation would be to keep Nick, but it might depend on what he wants. If he is okay with staying as Wentz’s backup it’s a no brainer to keep him, but if he wants to become a starter somewhere else then maybe they should trade him and get something in return.
If I were Howie… I would sit down with Doug, Nick and Mr. Lurie. I would ask Nick what he wants for himself and his family.
If Nick wants to stay next year (2018), I would let him. I would talk to him about his ability to stay or go based on the salary cap projections for 2019 and beyond.
At some point, Carson is going to get a huge contract. There may not be room for both guys’ contracts beyond 2019-2020.
But if Nick wants to be an NFL starter, then I would talk to him about potential teams that he would like or not like. Denver or Arizona might be nice places to play. But Nick might say “No, please, and thank you.” to Cleveland.
If I were Howie, I would accommodate Nicky as best I could. He will always be an Eagle.
Nick might want to stay for 2-4 years, and then retire. Or he might want to chase the dream of being a 16-game starter. But I would be excited to see him stay for a couple more years at lease.
The smart thing to do would be to stay here and sign a team friendly deal to preserve his body. The gut reaction would be to see what he’s worth on the market and then weigh the options again.
You know some of these guys live for the dream. I can’t read Nick about that. But he’s a football hero in Philly for the rest of his life if he wants to make a home here.
Damn straight. He loves this team, and Philadelphia.
The statue should be done soon or so I hope.
Doesn’t need a Payday he’s never going to pay for another thing in philly. He also has family money. He’s also around a bunch of career backups, pederson experience with farve would be a great analogy
Even if he doesn’t strictly need it. The man straight up deserves it. Masked man is right. Leave it up to foles. If he wants a chance to start. Let him go and let him get paid. If that’s his dream. He can’t possible play better. His value on the market can only tat the same or go down from here on out.
I’m not even thinking about what’s best for Philly. I just want nick to get his due.
Also if he eagles do work it out and get him paid in a good situation I think it sends a great message of respect to the locker room that you took care of your guy.
Can’t go wrong with an extra four or five million in the old liquid assets portfolio though.
Set for life. Your kids too. Your grand kids too.
He could have a path similar to Pederson; vet QB on a team as the backup to the franchise. Pull in an average of $4m per year.
There are worse ways to make a living.
He doesn’t but we don’t know what he would want to do. It’ll be best to respect his wishes.
If Nick wanted to, he could be a backup QB for the next 10 years of his life.
Robin to Carson’s Batman. Every leader needs a trusted side kick.
Only way to handle it. Can’t preach family and kick a guy to the curb who just stepped in and won the sb for you. Can’t just be $.
lmfao. Look how many people are giving HR advice! Good thing he listens to all of you, otherwise he wouldn’t have put together a SB winning team. Oops, have to run, Lurie on the line, I have give him me, If I was Lurie speech…
I want to talk about Doug Pederson. We all know when it comes to x’s and o’s He great. Philly Special was one for the ages and next year there will be a Cheesesteak play with two versions: wit and witout. But what else makes him great? Look at what we said about Corey Clement and Nick Foles before the season.
Corey Clement is JAG.
Nick Foles is a guy where if your QB goes down for five games he can win two or three and keep you on contention. But he won’t win you a Super Bowl with him.
This is what we might have said. Maybe we even said those exact words. But what happens when Doug Peterson believes in you. This man has balls enough to trust his players, to love the ones your with. And that is no mean feat. With Doug the phrase “ puts his players in a position to win” transcends the triteness with which it is so often used.
I have long believed that playing at 100% creates a situation where magic is possible. But we should also add to the list of magic creating acts – trusting those around you. Doug made magic happen.
It is interesting…on the radio they were talking about the make up of Beli-cheaters team(side note – amazing how a game turns out if you can’t video tape the other teams practice) consists of players he wanted in the draft, but other teams took. Beli liked those players even if they were having a tough time…kind of in line with Doug. DP always liked Foles and made sure they got him…
Think the general parameters of viewing Foles stay/go should be the following
– This is Wetnz’s team
– Foles is only signed for one more year
– We don’t know what type of extension Foles would take to remain the clear backup here
– We don’t know how much they like STUDfeld
– We don’t know the actual market for Foles via trade
And also
– How likely is Wentz to be hurt that badly at that point of the season again?
– How likely is Foles to repeat that performance again?
– How able is another backup able to repeat the performance of Foles?
1. Yes
2. Correct
3. He’s either playing 2018 on his current deal here or gettting a brand new contract after he’s traded
4. They like Sudz
5. Probably not as much as people think
6. That badly? Low. Miss a couple games, probable.
7. Zero
8. Zero. But again the point of the backup QB is to win a game or two and keep you in the playoff hunt til Wentz gets back.
Picking nits here – “arguably the greatest QB of all time”
Is there really a counter argument anymore? Not many people are making it. We got his ass, but give the GOAT his due. 505 yrd in the SB is insanity
Personally, I believe his nickname should be changed from GOAT to Tom “little bitch” brady. I mean, he runs off the field like a butthurt 10 year old girl instead of shaking hands like a man. Class and integrity? Brady’s got none.
Yes, the counter argument is that he played in a cheating franchise for the goat. I think there are at least 3 QBs better than Brady.
It’s still arguable. Montana was every bit as great as Brady at his peak. If you look at his rate statistics (QB rating, etc.) they stood out from those of his peers more than Brady’s do. The main reason he didn’t get to/win more Super Bowls is that he only played 14 seasons as opposed to Brady’s 19 and counting, he lost more time to injury, and he played in an era with other dynasty level teams (Parcells Giants, Gibbs Redskins, etc.).
I don’t go back far enough to talk about guys like Unitas, Graham, etc. but I’ve heard old-timers make a case for them as well.
I find it hard to rate Brady compared to other GOATs, like Jordan, Gretzky, etc. because their greatness was obvious. They possessed a beyond-outlier skill that popped out. I don’t know exactly what Brady does better than everyone else except execute (win) and not make mistakes. His results speak for themselves, but I’ve never had a singular “that was the greatest of all time” moment from him. I think he makes the conversation for simply being so good for so long.
The only guy in N. American pro sports who I think unequivocally deserves the title of G.O.A.T. is Gretzky. If you look at his career statistics, they just blow everybody else’s out of the water – if he’d never scored a goal in his NHL career, he’d still be the all-time points leader based solely on his assists. By the way, he also scored the most goals in NHL history by a significant margin – 894, a 93 point edge over Gordie Howe, who had an absurdly long career. He was so dominant his nickname was “the Great One” and nobody batted an eye at it, and the entire league retired his number the minute he retired and waived the HoF eligibility rule for him. The guy’s accomplishments are just mind blowing, and I don’t think we’ll ever see another player in any sport that utterly dominates against the best in the world like that.
Basketball and baseball are at least a little more arguable – personally I’d rank Jordan and Ruth #1 in those sports, but you can at least make a case for other guys (the gap between Jordan and Kareem, Magic Johnson, Bird, Wilt, etc. isn’t as large, nor is the gap between Ruth and Ted Williams, Willy Mays, etc.).
Football is the hardest of all. Because the roles in the sport are so specialized, you can’t compare guys at different positions (how do you even evaluate Brady or Montana against a guy like Anthony Munoz, Lawrence Taylor, or Reggie White?). And even at a single position, rules and style of play have changed so much it’s hard to compare across eras. Montana’s career QB rating was something like 92.6, which would be mediocre by today’s standards, but in that era was unprecedentedly good and standard deviations above the league average.
The amazing thing is that physically, Gretzky was unimpressive. Small (even for the era), not a great skater (again, even for the era). While his hands were above average, there were players of his era who had arguably a more dazzling set of moves with the puck on their stick. What made Gretzky so good was that he understood the game at a such a high level. He was able to keep where every other player was on the ice in his mind while keeping his eyes forward. He simply recognized the soft spots in the defense at a glance and could instantly take advantage without having to think about it. He made scoring all those points look easy, because he was always in the right spot, whether he had the puck or not.
Patriots were my 1a team until Spygate, and now they are, to me, a symbol of what’s wrong with our country (“hey, you won, so it doesn’t matter that you cheated!”). So I no longer count as a Brady fanboy. But I think there’s some validity to comparing Brady to Gretzky. Not nearly as dominant, but I think their style of greatness is similar.
Yep. As a Flyers fan I was never scared of an opposing player more than I was of Gretzky, and I didn’t even see him at his peak with the Oilers. There have been guys like Jagr or Bure who were more physically dominant (faster, stronger, etc.) but with Gretzky you literally felt like he was a threat any time he was on the ice, no matter where the puck was. He could have it behind the net, not even in shooting position, and I’d be gripping the edge of my seat. To me that’s the best testament you can give to a guy’s greatness.
I agree that Brady has a similar style of greatness. His throws on Sunday weren’t especially impressive physically – there was a lot of arc on some of those balls and he doesn’t have the velocity he used to. But he is so smart and so skilled he’s still able to make up for it. He’s definitely one of the best to ever play the QB position and it makes the Eagles’ first SB championship much sweeter to have won it against such a worthy adversary.
Great comment. Football can make it even more difficult based on scheme, coaching, responsibilities, etc.
And Montana played in a vicious era of football. Concussing a guy was the stated goal of every defender. Brady wouldn’t have lasted this long in that era of football.
Ill take Johnny Unitis and Dan Fouts and Kurt Warner. Fuck the deflator.
I say let Foles play out his contract. Let Roseman do his job and figure out another way to get the draft picks back. Given Wentz’s style of play he could easily get hurt again and at this point no one knows for sure that he’ll be ready to go Week 1.
“If you put Foles on the Browns this year, they win three or four games.” But for the Browns, that’s a MASSIVE improvement!
Vikings would be crazy to get fleeced by eagles again….wouldn’t they?
I don’t think Vikings – Cleveland, Detroit, maybe San Fran – a few others. I’d hate to see St. Nick go to Cleveland though.
I have in-laws that live in Boston, and others from Giants territory. I shared this with them on Friday:
Hi everyone. As you can imagine, I’m a little nervous. Tom Brady will likely be remembered as one of the Greatest Of All Time, and when your team plays against the GOAT, it is tough to feel confident.
Naturally, to calm my nerves I turned to research. The last time the Eagles faced Brady and the Pats the game turned out well, Jenkins had a pick 6, and the good guys won. I found this NFL Films-style video recap to help set expectations for tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/a8vXrUEs8wk
I think the Eagles HAVE to trade Foles. After his recent performance, how many losses or bad games by Wentz (perhaps caused by a slow recovery?) would it take for fans to SCREAM for Foles to start?
Are you one of those people who thinks that teams care what the fans think during the season, or that there is a risk of upsetting fans on a post Superbowl year?
I said before this game that I believe Foles would rather retire than play for another team. He saw how it worked out in another uniform (not good). I watched NFL Network last night and Carr said the same thing. I think Howie and company will give Nick enough respect to let them know, hey we got an offer for you, and take it from there. I want him to stay. We can find other creative ways to resign people or bring in talent. Howie makes things happen. I trust him. Maybe in my heart of hearts, I don’t want Nick to go to the Browns, the Jets, or any of those garbage teams. If they trade him to Jacksonville, at least I can drive an hour an see him play (Jacksonville can be my “b” team if that happens). I’ve always been a Foles fan so I’m being selfish in saying I want him to stay, even if it’s as our backup – something tells me we might need him.
So so cool to see this! Extremely happy for these guys! https://youtu.be/AnmpuJfALXg
That is fun. It took me a few minutes to figure out that was Clement.
lol, love their reaction when they were told Nick was traded
http://freegifmaker.me/img/res/1/5/1/7/9/2/1517924562148632.gif?1517924572
Right!! That was the funniest part!
You can see the thought process.
“No, no way”
“Well, maybe…”
“No, we would have heard.”
“Well, that Washington CB found out from Schefler’s twitter.”
“No, trade deadline has passed”
“Well, Alex Smith…”
If we trade Foles to MIN it will be second funniest outcome. First for me would be New Orleans, where he relegates Chase to holding the clipboard some more.
From what I read, Foles has a weird contract. He has one more year as an Eagle, but if he is traded there are an additional three years on the deal. I’ve never heard of that. If I am understanding it right, though, it sounds like a contract that was written to give both parties an incentive to find him a starting gig. Four years under contract is a nice selling point, versus free agent after this year if they keep him.
Maybe his views have changed now. If so, I think he signs an extension that makes him a stable part of the roster for a few years. If not, I think we see him go to a contender.
I don’t think either of these will happen (because we won’t trade him in the division), but trading Foles to the Giants where he puts Eli on the bench or trading Foles to Dallas where he replaces Dak would both be funny. That is, until he makes the Giants or Cowboys better.
Giant spider have shurmur.
Why are so many down on Shumer? He did well with Bradford, Keenum, and Foles and no one can be blamed for failing as the Browns head coach. It’s interesting that several of the Eagles players that played under him while he was here speak highly of him.
I personally hope Shurmur brings in Bradford. He loves him some Bradford for some reason. I want to play Sammy Sleeves a couple times a year.
Giant Spider? Thats terrifying.
What would be even weirder would be Foles leaving for the Vikings and Bradford becoming Wentz’s backup. As ridiculous as that sounds, the Eagles coaching staff was prepared to go with Bradford if they weren’t able to get Wentz.
I wouldn’t want Carson to get Sam’s knee cooties.
Yes, as it is I’m nervous about Wentz being Bradford Part 2 because he seems to get hurt often.
For my money, Chase stuck as the backup to the guy wearing the ring won as Chase’s replacement would have a certain poetic quality.
It would be history repeating itself because Kennum was once Foles backup on the Rams.
His current contract doesn’t mean shit if he’s traded. He will have zero guaranteed money left and will demand a new one.
It gives the interested team time and leverage, no?
He’s talked seriously about retiring. He’s made decent money in the NFL and comes from money. If you’re trading for him to make him your starting QB you’re doing it with the understanding you’re giving him an extension. And Mike Glennon got $14 mil a year to be a stop gap starter. It aint gonna be cheap.
Nick Foles came back to the Eagles knowing, full well, that he is Carson’s back up. He filled that position to perfection. Talk of trading him, and all the other crap, is just nuts right now. Enjoy the moment !
and Chase Daniel asked for his release
he could have been QB in the Super Bowl
We never would have made it with Chase.
Hah.. great minds think alike.
If we had Chase as the QB, we probably lose to Atlanta.
After a day and a half of just absorbing the moment, I am ready to get back to normal everyday life.
I think if a team comes calling for Nick, I have a feeling the team will probably let him choose if he wants to go or not.
Still on cloud 9. I wake up in the morning and still can’t believe that we won the super bowl with Nick Foles! He played the game of his life. I think Nick should have the opportunity to choose his own destiny here. Carson is the starter in Philly (when healthy) but if Nick wants to be his back up, absolutely. If he wants to get a pay day from a suitor, make the trade. It’s all up to Nick. He did what McNabb, Cunningham and Jaworski could not. Unbelievable performance across the board. More importantly. How about Doug Pederson? What a coach!
#bigdicknick
It still amazes me that Doug is everything Chip should have been. I just cant get over how “meh” people felt about dug and how excited they were for Chip. Crazy how things happen.
True, although Chip had already dominated the college game and was being consulted with by people like Bill Bellichik, while Dug was toiling away in obscurity. I still say there was no reason to expect Dug to be anything special. He just turned out to be.
When he made the hire, Lurie talked about some of the characteristics that have turned out to be hallmarks of Doug’s coaching style – innovation, leadership, emotional intelligence, etc.
Lurie has a pretty solid track record of hiring coaches. Doug has already established himself as one of the best coaches in the NFL after two seasons. Reid was the previous most accomplished coach in franchise history. Kelly ultimately failed, but was an innovator some of whose ideas have clearly already permanently changed the NFL game. Even Ray Rhodes had some success. We might not have had actual on-field evidence that Doug would turn out to be special, but I was willing to trust Lurie’s judgment given his track record.
Im a little excited to start watching draft players again. 2.5 monts is way more doable than 4
But no more draftbreakdown 🙁
Wait why? I thought you just had to pay a nominal fee.
They did that back in the fall and then went dark in Dec. I’d guess they got slapped for charging for charging for access to Fair Access stuff.
Just watched some on there. Its back up.
Are you sure? I mean they still have their database active but the last uploaded video is from DEC 12
Thats what it must be then. Where are you watch8ng now? Youtube?
Nick: Come ON Tommy, give me a break!! I just won you a Super Bowl and still in Disney World and here you are talking about trading me!! 🙂
At least wait till the Parade!!
So does this win decrease anger about the Pats cheating in SB 39 or increase the anger. I’ve largely moved on from, don’t want to carry it around… but it’s just one of those things among many others bouncing around in my head right now.
For me, past missed opportunities aren’t as bad. And the glory plays of the past shine brighter now.
Like Kyle Brandt said in his last Eagles rant, for me this game kills a lot of demons. https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/2/2/16965656/kyle-brandt-best-eagles-rant-yet-super-bowl-lii-nfl-network-philadelphia-host-patriots-video-watch
I can let go of letting a winnable XXXIX slip away, let go of finding out that the Patriots probably cheated in that superbowl that they won by only 3, and even better, let go of Ronde Barber, Greg Favors, and a host of lesser evils. I’m still sad about the great Eagle players from that era who didn’t get a ring.
Those wounds have festering a long time, and I think the experience of watching a franchise for whom the other shoe no longer ALWAYS drops will be very different. If nothing else, they get a pass from me for a few years. I waited 30 years for this (and I know many did longer), this feeling can last for a few years. But, with Carson, I don’t think it will have to.
I think Foles has earned the right to choose whether or not he wants to stay with the team. If he wants to remain the back up then so be it. If he wants to start somewhere, then I think the front office gets it done for him. I think that would also play out well with the locker room, too.
On the more business side of things, the Eagles have to weigh the value of draft picks to the value of having a quality insurance policy for another Wentz injury. The coaches and front office have all said the right thing: this is Carson’s team and there will be no controversy. So is it worth it the organization to lose your sure thing insurance for a draft pick(s)?
In a really cool world, not only if he wants to stay or go, but where. Dude almost quit football because this organization (helmed by an A-hole at the time), shipped him off to a QB wasteland, which when you think of it…almost cost us a Super Bowl in a crazy way.
Me personally, if I take all sentiment out of the equation…dump the salary, get the picks, and low key we don’t need the crowd calling for the Super Bowl mvp every time Wentz throws and incomplete pass…but I have sentiment and Nick Foles is a god and he deserves whatever the hell he wants.
I had a snap count question. It looks like the Eagles had 75 offensive plays. At guard Stefan Wisnewski played 71, Chance Warmack played 4 but Isaac Seumalo played 10. All other starting offensive linemen played 75. Was Seumalo brought in as an extra blocking TE?
I was curious because I noticed Seumalo blocking on one of the TDs
Yes, he played TE on a couple sets and one of Blount’s big runs I believe.
I’m disappointed Pederson didn’t run the tackle eligible pass to Seumalo at some point.
And rob Nick of his TD reception? Never.
We also have to save something for LIII.
I generally hate that play unless it’s a guy like JP who has demonstrated the ability to catch passes. But I also hate the idea of JP running a route and not mauling a defender.
I think that he had it in his pocket. I kept expecting to see it, but probably the Patriots kept looking for it, which probably helped Isaac as a blocker on those plays.
Pats played a huge amount of dime in the game, because they just couldn’t trust their LB’s in space at all. Doug brought in extra linemen a lot more than usual to force the Pats to play their base or even nickle defense. Going Jumbo to set up the quick passing game is not normally how you normally expect games to play out.
Pats were also playing five d-linemen a lot
Yes.
I wouldn’t give up on Seumalo or Warmack. I have a feeling that both of these players will be a lot better next year.
I’m hoping it ends with Jeff giving Nick a 10 year $50 million fully guaranteed contract. Assuming he wants to stay, keep the guy for the rest of his career.
From the stuff he’s said, I’m not sure he wants to go to a bad coaching situation.
By the way i think i have worked out the most likely trade partner for the Eagles for Foles… Jacksonville. They have a great OL and run game, they already like the quick read offence combined with big down field passes off play action that Nick excels at. They have a creative play caller who seems pretty flexible and willing to bend a system to suit his QB. Oh and he just destroyed the Patriots in the Superbowl – the team you know you need to beat in the AFC.
With them being stuck with paying Bortles $19mil next season due to picking up his option and with him having surgery being unable to cut him before the guarantee date, they have pretty limited cap space, and a limited window to keep together this kind of defensive talent before it becomes too expensive. Jags don’t have the $$ to fix the QB situation in free agency this year and be in the Cousins sweep stakes. They draft too late in the draft to have a good chance at a QB they love falling, making the low salary Foles a fantastic fit for 2018. 2018 3rd round pick and 2019 1st would be a fair price and matches up with a team trying to win a Superbowl in the next 2 season.
If someone trades for Foles he’s going to want a new contract.
Doug getting some love from the national media. This article does a nice job of breaking down how he outfoxed Belichick and Patricia on a couple of the game’s most critical plays:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/06/doug-pederson-coach-year-super-bowl-52-bill-belichick
Cool article, X.
There’s also an autoplay video with Peter King interviewing Trey Burton about the Philly Special. Check this out.
King somehow knew the deal. He prompted Burton to tell him what happened with the practice reps for that play.
Burton revealed that Foles, Clement and Burton secretly practiced the play in a hotel room at Mall of America somewhere.
They wanted to practice it someplace with as few eyes as possible able to see what the Eagles were up to with that… So they practiced it outside of the regular practices… Hmmmm.
What’s a catch? The NFL got it right in the super bowl! Washington post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/sports/wp/2018/02/05/whats-a-catch-the-nfl-finally-got-it-right-in-the-super-bowl-much-to-the-eagles-delight/
Tldr
Everyone who matters agrees they were both catches
Clement ball moved but not loss of control by any means
Ertz three steps and broke the plane
QED
Thoughts:
1. Foles is god. Statue on the art museum steps god. Someone should make a kickstarted for his statue. His 27-2 run was in part great OL and defenses had no tape on him. Vick, Dak, benefitted from defense not catching their tendencies and deficiencies for a while. Pats had little tape on foles in Doug’s offense. Not even preseason. I think Doug purposefully used wentz retread plays in Giants/raiders/cowboys.
2. Doug is most aggressive HC. Every season is going to be fun. He is happy to rep and run new plays for a particular opponent. That is a key to Pats success is trusting your players to be smart enough to expand the playbook to huge proportions and donspevific game plans for specific teams. Some coaches just do what has worked in prior games like Chip or broncos in SB versus Seahawks, legion of boom destroyed their team because they knew the plays.
3. Qb on rookie deal, like Seahawks with russel Wilson works with salary cap, have better team because more money to pay non QB players. So much more fun to see a team with highest paid player is an interior DL than qb.
4. We’ve seen tons of FA addition before 2017, in 2011 and 2013, difference is Joe and Andy, once eagles have a dynasty their statues are going next to foles and they’ll have ‘freemeeks’ shirts.
5. Greatest game ever!(period) but ill be ready by September for more.
6. Hope wentz won’t think the seats unclean on the Ferrari or that his accomplishments are lessened because a backup won SB. Wentz, just go out and rip it.
7. Collins’s worth was awful, awful. He’ll never do SB again. Maybe he is not anti eagles and just has a problem with catch rule, but rewatch last quarter and when eagles have lead he talks about how great pats are , when pats have lead he talks about how great pats are, when eagles have lead again he talks about how great pats are.
8. Nfccg v Vikings showed me how variable and unreliable putting your SB hopes on a great defense. I think if you look at teams that won SB with great D they are often one and done, whereas great qb, RB, or wr there can be a run.
9. Eagles defense had to play man and pats ran routes they didn’t normally. Wide open plays everywhere. Playcallers will follow that formula. Mills and Darby are great but press man is not their strong suit. Jones will be good.
10. Doug won SB with amazing clock management. Pats didn’t punt, how do you put score a team that doesn’t punt? Score last at half 7 min drive with 9 mins left in game.
11. Best fans ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great post! Ready to play another Super Bowl next Sunday!
I need a week off to recover.
#7 real issue yes. . Was wondering same thing
I think he had a pre-written storyline he wanted the game to take. The Eagles weren’t cooperating.
Collinsworth grunting when the Pats didn’t come up with the catch in the end zone on the last play said it all for me. Plus his non-stop arguing about the non-catch Ertz made for his TD even after the ref explained the ruling.
Also Doug had brilliant clock management is ironic coming from the Andy Reid coaching tree.
I’m enjoying this so much that I even listen to the morning show on WIP. Cataldi claimed that he asked Pederson if he was now willing to mentor Andy. That got a chuckle out of me.
That final play was like the old “rope a dope” kinda thing. Schwartz and the Eagles D already knew where the ball was going (to Gronk) and allowed Gronk a clean release up field, put pressure on Brady… who was throwing to Gronk all along, and then formed up a sea of green at the end zone. That play call had failed before the ball was even snapped.
#7 Collinsworth is an Eagle hater, just like Colin Cowheard (famous sports radio host). I’ve heard Collinsworth take shots at the Eagles all the way back to when DMac was QB. I don’t understand his hate, he was a WR for the bengals. Where as I’ve never heard anything bad from famous cowboys guys like Aikman, Irvin, Deion etc… at least I could understand some hate from those guys considering we gave Aikman and Irvin season ending injuries.
Cowheard is just a blabbermouth who drinks from Tom Brady’s cup. And you all know what cup I’m talking about. That dude just has a man crush on Tom and Belichick.
I don’t know if Collingsworth is an Eagle hater as much as a front-runner. He picks out teams he thinks will win, individual players he likes, and story lines of how he thinks the game will play out and runs with them non-stop even what he is saying is completely opposite to what is happening. There have been games where he was complimenting the Eagles non-stop as well. In particular, I remembering going on and on about Jason Peters one game a few years ago. In the Super Bowl, he was absolutely terrible. He was definitely all about the Patriots because he though they were the better team. It seemed like he became petulant when game wasn’t playing out like he wanted/expected. Or maybe he had money on the Pats?
How great must it be to be Nick Foles? Win Superbowl MVP after outdueling the greatest QB of all time while everyone can’t shut up about how well-endowed you are.
He’s a living legend. Boom. I’ve had multiple non-Eagles fans say we flat out outplayed and out coached the friggin pats. Flying so high today.
Really a shame the announcers didn’t recognize what was unfolding right in front of their eyes.
Collinsworth was just so bad that he’s cringe worthy.
And two months ago he expected to hold the clipboard, never getting on the field.
For 364 days the greates qb in the world is Foles!
Between this postseason and 27-2, he is already a franchise legend if he never plays another down for the Eagles. He’s a guy Eagles fans will still be talking about 50 years from now.
I think talk of trading Foles is overheated (cashier at Trader Joes asked me what I thought about it!). Foles has proven, multiple times now, that he can play the position with great effectiveness. That does not make him a franchise QB, or someone you build a team around. He is better than Bortles, but that doesn’t mean Foles would succeed in Jacksonville. Given Case Keenum beat him out in STL, and that Case Keenum put up _great_ numbers in MIN this year, I don’t see why they would want Nick, neither. As for Sammy, #eyetest, who knows about all that. The Arizona offense is predicated on long routes and an immobile, classic QB; Nick is not that. It seems to me he’s a rhythm passer, who excels if the coach can get him playing fast and instinctively. That’s why Doug got him the easy passes in the beginning, and why he does well on the RPOs and other short, touch passes. It’s like getting a basktball player a few layups to help him get calibrated.
STL was the template for how a team could mis-utilize Nick, but we also saw some of his weaknesses in his first few games here. Wind aside, I don’t like when he has a lot of time to sit around and look at things. And we’ve seen how his game falls apart when he’s unduly pressured. I think life outside of the friendly schemes Dug puts together for him will not be a great experience for St. Nick.
There are several competent QBs on the market and several coming up through the draft. I think it would be a mistake on the Eagles part to move Nick unless they get some kind of outrageous offer, but for the previously stated reasons, I doubt that happens.
Nick, emotional reasons aside, is very valuable to this team. Wentz is likely to miss time this coming season. He may not be ready to go at the start. He will probably miss a game here or there, given his past history and how dangerous football is. To have a starter-level backup (which we already Nick was) could well help us pick up a game or two during the season. This would make his salary well worth it!
Arizona will have a new offense under McCoy who designs his offense to his personnel but I don’t like McCoy who has bounced around. I thought about them and Nick went to Arizona.
Presumably a team that traded for Foles would do so with the idea of running an offense that utilizes lots of RPOs, play action, screens, and other stuff that he excels at. And presumably Foles would only want to play for a team where he had faith in the coaching staff.
” The Arizona offense is predicated on long routes and an immobile, classic QB”
That was Arians, is that also McCoy’s MO?
I said this a few weeks ago and still stand by it, Nick can throw a great deep ball. From DeSean and Riley Cooper, to Alshon and Torrey (and Clement), Nick has been fantastic with his deep touch.
I actually think Arizona would be a great choice for Nick. McCoy is a proven OC. I also think it helps that Nick and his wide went to college there. On top of that, Nick’s stats back up that he seems to be a warm-weather QB.
I don’t know much about Mike McCoy besides that he hasn’t been particularly successful… the Cards talent does not appear to be geared to Nick’s strengths to me. Fitz has to be gone soon, and then they have a bunch of fast guys that get injured all the time. Basically they really just aren’t that good. If I were Nick, I would pass.
You guys know I live here in Tempe (suburb of Phoenix). Nick went to Arizona, which is in Tucson and 2 hours away. They are the rival school to ASU, the local team. Nick is not particularly known locally. If you remember Jake “The Snake” Plummer, he went to ASU and was a local legend. His playing for the Cardinals was a true hometown hero type of thing.
I can get behind that logic.
As for local, I tend to think of anything within a 2 hour drive as local when it comes to the NFL.
BTW, as I know you are a fan, Football Outsiders had a really nice write-up on the Super Bowl.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/clutch-encounters/2018/clutch-encounters-super-bowl-lii
Will there be a version of the game with Merle and Mike audio layer over too? Someone needs to make it so!
So this!
Did anyone see Brandon Graham’s adorable baby daughter ask for “ice cream please” into the mic while he was being interviewed after the game on the NFL.com panel ??
If dad wins Super Bowl you get ice cream.
Please win daddy.
Ice cream? Did someone say ice cream? — doug P
A Foles trade to Minnesota should not happen. Trading him to a conference rival that we faced in the playoffs could end up being a terrible mistake. The risk of losing a playoff game or seeding is not worth a 2nd round pick.
People are saying that Foles made throws in a clean pocket but some of his throws were under pressure. His 4th down pass to Ertz was with two defenders in his face and an accurate pass thrown off his back foot.
There was another throw on 3rd where he evaded two pass rushers and threw a perfect pass on a slant route while on the move to Ertz. Ertz dropped it and there was a questionable non-call on that play.
Secondly a lot of throws were in tight windows against triple/double coverage while moving out of the pocket.
Not many QBs can do what he did and all of this was done as a backup with only 6 weeks of practice with this offensive unit.
IMO this has to be top 3 greateat QB performances of all time.
Agree that it was a great performance and agree that if we do trade him, it should be out of conference. I think he’s earned the right to have a say in where he plays next, so I’m not shipping him to Cleveland or someplace like that.
But if a good AFC team with a solid staff and decent roster that just needs a QB calls, and he’s happy to go there, we can make it happen. Jacksonville or Denver seem like good potential landing spots.
“Hey Howie..? It’s John Elway again on line 3 for you…”
“Eagles have plenty of options with Nick Foles”
Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2018, 9:17 AM EST
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/06/eagles-have-plenty-of-options-with-nick-foles/
Time traveler!
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/gambler-wins-400-times-wager-202329341.html
Just gonna throw it out there since nobody is thinking this way – you know you could win playoff games and a Superbowl with Nick why not trade Carson for a kings ransom? Furthermore, Nick Foles should be at least given the opportunity to compete for the starting job. He just did what no Eagle QB could do! I don’t care about how much more talent Carson has. Nick deserves at least the opportunity to compete.
no and no
I think we let him make the decision if he wants to be traded for another chance as a starter or stay as a backup. Hopefully we won’t trade him to another bad situation (bad OL) like we did before. I don’t *think* we’ll be offered a big return for him — though Howie has stunned me before — but I’d take a middling return if it was a situation he liked and wanted to go to. A lot may depend on Wentz’ prognosis for starting the season, and what they think of Sudfeld.
You’ve watched both of them play football right?
The competition is already over.
Random PFT Poster:
“Actually, as always, these “Philly fans are bad” stories get overhyped
and/or lied about through the media. Here’s fact, 150,000-200,000 people
went out onto Broad Street in Philly after the game, 2 injured, yes, 1
flipped car and 4 arrests….MEANWHILE, in Boston area, 2000 people took
to the streets after the game, causing extensive damage, Police in riot
gear spraying mace, 12 people arrested and 6 taken to the
hospital..HARDLY A WORD SPOKEN ABOUT IT!!! See the ridiculous bias
yet?!?!?!?!”
I like that Lurie knows what he has in this fan base. Fans of this team went out and turned freaking Minnesota into a home game for the Eagles. That is amazing.
Check out the date on this tweet:
https://twitter.com/CoreyClement_6/status/202787027236823040
Love this guy. Thanks for sharing this.
Cory took the direct snap on the Philly Special!
And he was in on the flea flicker in the Vikings game. He has to be flying so high right now.
Someone pointed out (I don’t remember where I saw it) that the Phiily Special was the 3rd string, UDFA RB tossing to the 3rd string UDFA TE who threw to the backup QB that runs an 8 minute 40.
It’s like the perfect cheese steak… so few ingredients so that each one has to be special. Gotta have the right bun, cheese, and meat or gtfoh.
I brought it up to contrast to Bill Belichick not trusting Malcolm Butler, but I definitely did not discover that fact, you might have seen it somewhere else.
Did anybody notice?
The Eagles won the Super Bowl on February 4, 2018. It would have been Jerome Brown’s 53rd birthday.
So the Eagles finally did “bring it home for Jerome.” Amazing, huh?
“Willie Jerome Brown III (February 4, 1965 – June 25, 1992) was an American football defensive tackle for the Philadelphia Eagles of the National Football League (NFL). He played his entire five-year NFL career with the Eagles from 1987 to 1991, before his death just before the 1992 season. He was selected to two Pro Bowls in 1990 and 1991. He played college football at the University of Miami.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Brown
The guy made the Eagles defensive line, led by Reggie White, even better. I still will put the Eagles defense of 1991 up with any other, including the 2000 Ravens and 2015 Broncos.
Vikings requested interview for Defillipo for their OC and source says he is interested. Do we let Frank Reich go in order to keep Filp?
No, thank you. I like Reich a lot. Dougie thanked him a lot!
I think Flip is the sizzle. I think Frank Reich is the steak.
I agree here. Reich’s been behind our game plans.
Also think Flip isn’t likely to stay long at OC. He may get a shot at HC somewhere in a year or two.
NFL coaches might be the worst coaches in all of sports (super hot take, if you try to start and argument on it, It’s not a hill I’m dying on). They’re not just unoriginal copy cats (which is fine), they’re lazy and rigid about it. Somewhere along the lines, Brady, Manning, and Brees ran an offense that only someone of their Hall of Fame level could run well. That became the bar for the position. Suddenly every QB come up through college was asked to do their best Tom Brady impression, and we have a decade of lost QB’s because coaches insisted on running a Peyton Manning offense when almost every QB in the draft became a prolific passer doing something entirely different.
Pederson’s most underrated trait is that he’s pretty humble and open to ideas. He doesn’t pretend he’s making up plays and designing some great offense. He does research on what works for his players and against the other team. If he see’s a new concept he likes, he adds it. His staff is always on the lookout for new things and they bring it to him, and they geek out over it. The adjustments made to make Nick Foles into the Superbowl MVP…He’s the best coach in the league because he didn’t just take out the parts of the playbook Foles wasn’t good at, he added a bunch that he was really good at.
Del Rio was asked last year what he learned last year, and smugly responded hope your QB doesn’t get hurt. That doesn’t fly anymore. The bar has been raised.
Yup. The idea that a great coach is one who builds a system around the roster he has and puts his players in a position to succeed is a cliche, but it’s a cliche because it’s 100% true. Pederson has already proven he’s a great coach and I think we’re going to see him have a lot more success in coming years (seriously, imagine how much he’ll be able to do when his team DOESN’T suffer multiple crippling injuries).
But that’s the other things. How many seasons have we seen coaches get a pass while they get their guys to run their system. Excuse me now? Nah, that’s the mark of a bad coach.
I agree! I was hoping Chip was going to break the mold of depending on these QBs who stand back there like gun turrets, dispensing thunderbolts down the field. I was hoping he’d use mobile guys, give them a bunch of quick reads and engineer an offense that can move the football without relying on a genius QB.
I wanted to jump through the screen and slap the shit out of John Harbaugh for talking trash about the run pass option and Pederson/Foles. Luckily, I didn’t have to because Foles did it on the field.
Some took offense to Pederson’s statement (not a quote on my part) about going back to training camp when Nick became the QB. In my view, this was NOT a slam on Foles… but rather a very real statement that this offense went “back to the drawing board” with their new QB and started training hard to perfect a new offense. And perfect it they did! And just in time for the NFC Championship and Superbowl!!!
You don’t get a true team effort from a HC who is “the smartest guy in the room.” You get it from a guy who has the very real leadership/wisdom quality of listening to wise counsel. You get it from the leader who has the “growth mindset.” You get it from the guy who has actually been there and actually done it… who understands how the play works because he’s been under center.
You get it from Doug Pederson.
I would somewhat disagree with your first paragraph. Both the local and national media have dissected ad nauseum the past 3 weeks Nick’s inability to run a complex offense effectively. Although he obviously knows the playbook, Pederson gave him much more simplistic reads and RPOs.
I didn’t take this as a slam on Foles but more of a testament of what separates Wentz from just being another strong-armed QB. Wentz appears to be a tactician along the lines of Peyton.
I think what Pederson did with Nick is what 90% of NFL coaches/OCs do not do with their own QBs, which is dumb it down and play to their strengths.
That’s what I’m talking about here… people were saying that Nick can’t handle it. I’m saying that he can handle the complexity of the playbook, but that his playbook is different from the one used with Wentz.
I agree 100% with the idea that Wentz has a ceiling of Peyton Manning + (because he’s a better athlete and may have as great of a football mind). But where I’m disagree with the general media consensus is on Foles. Maybe his playbooks is a bit smaller… but it’s still choked full of interesting options. I think it’s an oversimplification to say that they just “hacked out” a bunch of stuff and said… ok Foles here’s 1/4 of the playbook that we think you can handle.
In my mind, I’m envisioning Doug calling all the offensive coaches (and maybe even some defensive ones) into a room and designing a whole new playbook and installing a new offense i.e. a new training camp experience. An offense designed to work for their quarterback.
Calling audibles is an amazing skill. But I’m not going to say that Nick’s ability to run the option offense and process all the post snap data and deliver the ball to the right location isn’t also amazing. It’s different.
People can debate about which ability is the best, or how much better one is than the other… you can even suggest that Wentz has both! But I think Nick has shown that he is an extremely talented QB, and that the “general media consensus” that you dumb down the playbook for Foles is a false (easy mode) narrative.
Nick has provided dolts who don’t want to do their homework like Arians and Harbaugh with plenty of crow for them all to share.
The best example I can think of for Nick is comparing him to a high school physics teacher. Going to college and getting any kind of physics degree is quite hard. There are quite a few college graduates in other areas of study that would never be able to complete that type of academic program.
Now compare that physics teacher to an MIT physics professor. That’s Carson… he’s the rarity.
I think when Doug talked about simplifying the offense, it was in reference to Carson’s playbook vs Nick’s playbook. Heck, Dak was quoted this week as saying he wish the Dallas offense incorporate RPOs and quick reads for him to be more successful.
I think this is where his experience as a backup QB comes in handy. I think he knew that if Brett Favre ever got hurt, he knew he couldn’t imitate Favre. Thinking at the time would dictate thar the back up is of limited abilities, thus take all the plays that involved something that Favre did well but the backup did not and replace them with hand offs. That’s been the back up formula since forever. But Pederson wouldn’t write himself off as limited, just different.
Second point about his background: most coaches are assistants to a successful and established coach. They are poached to come to a new team and attempt to clone the established coach’s success. What does that mean? Well you have a system. And you have to rebuild from scratch while you find people who fit that. Lots, if not most players just don’t fit what you need. Most don’t work out because they are volunteering to be an expansion team with none of the perks. And if you ever do establish anything, your systems are outdated within a couple of years, the NFL has left you behind.
Former players on the other hand, have had to adapt to and master many different systems, and require a more open mind by default. Not saying all coaches should be former players or anything, but I think a lot of Doug’s strengths come from his background.
Savage!!! LOL!!
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now just photoshop Nick with sunglasses smoking a cigar on top.
I need somebody to stick an eagle logo or Foles’ face on a gif of luke skywalker blowing up the death star.
topics I heard on Boston sports radio yesterday (so delicious, it’s like one loss drove them insane):
1. BB benching Butler is ridiculous
2. BB trading Jimmy and only talking to Shanahan is outrageous
3. Patricia’s defense was awful and if he is as surly in Detroit as he is with Boston press that isn’t going to cut it when you are 7-9
4. Why hasn’t McDaniels been announced as Colts coach? Does that mean he is staying and Belicheck is leaving? (I see he was just announced).
5. Gronk says he has to think about whether he will play next year
6. Belicheck wouldn’t definitely say he will be back.
It was the best hour of my day and a great way to cap off my ride back up here. I think most of this is BS but love to hear people panic. But the Butler thing, that is interesting. The thinking is he chirped about money a lot, so in the doghouse then missed curfew (and maybe smelled like pot) so Belicheck doesn’t just keep him out a series but the whole game.
I’m so glad Pedersen is (seems like) a genuine guy and not one of these dictators like BB.
“…and the agony of defeat.”
(Haha. Go EAGLES!)
Love it. I also love how the NFL keeps biting on ex-Patriots coaches. What the hell……?
Belichick didn’t want to trade Jimmy. That was one of the main points of the ESPN article and sources of friction with Kraft/Brady.
My bold prediction is that Belichick wants out of NE and will do everything he can this offseason to get it. He did it when he signed with the Jets only to go to Pats instead.
Belichick is an ego maniac who wants to show he can win someplace else without Brady.
If Belichick decides to leave the Patriots he will be the hottest coaching candidate ever next offseason, age be damned. Hell, there are some teams that would probably fire their current coach to hire him.
Let Rome, er Boston, burn to the ground. The Empire is finished.
WOW. Still coming down from that game on Sunday. Its been a pleasure following you for the past couple years Tommy and its pretty unreal to see the stuff we all see (as eagles fans) come together in an ULTRA SPECIAL way this year. Truly an honor.
In terms of Foles. I DO NOT see how they trade him unless he comes forward and says he WANTS to be traded and is willing to get PAID because of his super bowl run. Dude just brought home the IRON to philly for the first time ever and like you say, who knows whats happening next year. Dont get me wrong, I hope Wentz comes back and is our starter for the next decade, but it would be CRAZY to trade Foles for a second round pick just because.
dinko dak back at it ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznFr8cNlzU
That is DAKtastic!!! His face when he realized what was going down was like “Oh sh*t” lol.
Breaking News:
Retired QB David Carr more accurate than Dak!
He handled it well, seems like a good kid, too bad he’s a scumbag Cowboy.
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#analysis
“The Super Bowl has a dangerous effect on coaches and GMs.”
And, you could argue, there is no right move to make as GM after you win the SB. It’s the peak of the sport! Worth its own post — which I’m sure is coming, we have a long offseason ahead.
How do you deal with expiring contracts (Bradham/Robinson/Burton/Blount), creaky veterans (Peters/Curry/Celek), and attractive trade bait (Foles)? Tough road ahead for Howie.
hopefully celek retires, otherwise i’d keep team together for one more year
I think that mindset is the danger: this worked so lets just try to keep things the way they are. Howie must – and will, I am sure – approach this off season like every other and look to upgrade everywhere he can.
He’ll be back as a 3rd TE/blocking TE given his low cap number and Burton departing.
He is largely done but I wouldn’t mind seeing him around another year for veteran leadership/clubhouse guy.
Imagine they just draft a TE this year to replace Burton. Maybe even look for an UDFA they really like & can groom.
burton so good, they should keep him, draft a blocking TE, much easier to get.
Where would we be without the team pastor
Celek you can easily cut now, if he doesn’t retire. He doesn’t need that “one last campaign” to be a part of the title team.
Curry is still a contributor. Not an issue.
JP has a place on the roster.
Bradham you have to re-sign if you can’t upgrade.
Robinson, Blount walk (easy call).
Burton, make an offer you think is fair. If he want to hit FA, let him see what’s out there. If he gets a big deal, good for him.
Foles is the only “difficult” call here.
Robinson is an easy walk?
Yes. CB on the wrong side of 30. Two promising rookies behind him.
Easy call. Good season, yes. No disrespect.
That said, I’ve got no issue with re-signing him either. Just thinking of the economics of roster management.
If he wants to sign the same contract, by all means bring him back. He’s earned lots more than that though.
That’s a blazing hot take, but I really don’t disagree with any of the logic here.
Whatever happens next year, if they don’t repeat as SB champs, someone will point to cutting a particular vet or letting someone walk as why the team didn’t reach the same heights. And they may be right!
For a GM of any sport, it must be like Ringo releasing a solo album post-Beatles. “It’s all downhill from here, is Thomas the Tank Engine hiring?”
On the other side of the coin, if they keep the band together and don’t repeat those same people would say they do anything to improve.
Can’t take idiots’ opinions into consideration. That’s how we get our elected officials -works out great, huh.
It’s lose-lose. I think the Phillies’ approach post-2008 is a good example of keeping the band together until they were geriatric.
Letting go of Robinson/Blount/Burton are fairly straight forward decisions.
Celek is at the end of his rope and if he wants a raise he gets DFA’ed. Curry is a nice player but he needs to renegotiate or he might be a candidate to get traded/released.
Seems pretty clear they are going to bring back Peters and use Vaitai as depth even if I think that is a mistake.
Only really tough decisions are resigning Bradham and dealing with Foles. I don’t think they are going to seriously considering moving Foles either. Ditto on trying to extend Graham if they want to do that this offseason.
The only thing I see prompting a Foles move is if he demands/wants a trade & opportunity to start next year.
Not arguing with your read, but Robinson was stellar in defending the slot this season. Who replaces him?
I think Mills has the shiftiness, is a willing defender and tackler, and attitude to make the transition. Not fully comfortable with him on those log crossers though.
Apologies if this was already posted.
How Cowboys fans watched the game:
https://www.facebook.com/ScooterMagruder/videos/10155036577587714/?fref=mentions
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I know we promised there would be no math. Haha. But fivethirtyeight.com is especially great at clear concise statistical analysis of big news and sports stories of the day.
It’s basically a math analysis of the talent base that Howie added over the last two seasons. It’s brief and interesting.
Here’s their take on the Philly Eagles and SB52:
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Feb. 5, 2018 at 3:51 PM
“How The Eagles Went From Catastrophe To Champion In Two Years”
By Neil Paine
Filed under Super Bowl LII
“Few champs have had as much draft talent as the Eagles. Average draft value on roster (weighted by approximate value) for Super Bowl champions since 1993 (see chart)…”
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-eagles-went-from-catastrophe-to-champion-in-two-years/?addata=espn:nfl:teams
I think Foles has earned the right to be an Eagle until he retires. PERIOD.
His career as an Eagle has been exceptional.
Tommy mentions how he cannot succeed unless he has good pieces around him.
I will take that line of thought to the next level.
Imagine if we kept Foles and never sent him to the Rams.
We could have built a team around him and perhaps be in the same position.
He won the biggest game that any QB could win. Threw seven TD’s in one freaking game as a rookie QB.
How the hell do you trade away a player with that much potential an perhaps draft a bust.
Yes, I said it. Bradford was overrated, although he played decent enough I still think Foles deserved better from the team that drafted him.
I contend that if we kept Foles and stuck with him until Lane returned, who knows where this offense could have gone.
This man helped win a Superbowl for our great city and that’s something that no other Eagles QB has ever done, let alone a back up QB.
Please don’t underestimate the importance of keeping him an Eagle.
As we all know QB’s go down every season and having Foles backing up Wentz is the best insurance policy we could ever ask for.
Now I am not saying that he is better than Wentz, but I feel he deserved another season as an Eagle.
We have learned a couple of things this season and the most important thing should be that one should not judge a player by his demeanor or reputation, but rather the player he has proven to be when put in the proper circumstances.
Let’s not be so quick to kick our best back up QB in Eagles history to the curb for a draft pick that could bust.
We all should now know what we have in Foles and I hope that the Eagles learned from this experience and not only keep him, but throw this man a raise and show him how much we value and appreciate him.
This is my opinion FWIW.
I challenge anyone to find a bigger Foles fan than me (my avatar has not changed since we drafted Nick). That being said, Lurie was so desperate to get Philly a SB to where he hired Chip Kelly and turned over player management to him, where Nick was traded for Bradford. Shady was traded away. All Chip Kelly moves, but from some of those moves, we got enough firepower to where Howie is able to get Wentz.
The struggles and journey Nick went through brought him back to Philly, helped him accept the role to play with Carson; Has there ever been a QB tandem where both stud QBs liked each other and played team ball?
Imagine how many more SB rings San Fran would have if Joe Montana and Steve Young could’ve figured out how to keep playing with each other?
Nick and Carson are the real deal. This Philly team and ownership are tighter than any team in history. Ok, maybe I’m being an Eagle homer, but seriously… what other team goes out and says this SB is for all Eagles and Eagle Teams. Jaws was choking up over the sentiment, but we all get it. We all bleed green.
2 rings in 3 days for Carson!!
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Kids get married so young these days.
Now he can finally get laid!
Knee flexibility looks good.
Lol you ain’t lyin!
Damn. She hit the lottery. From North Dakota to wife of multi-millionaire star QB of Philadelphia.
“Honey? Will you marry me..?”
“Ohh… Okaaayyyyyyyy….”
LOL
She’s not from ND. She’s from MO.
She’s not the girl he was dating in HS.
Great technique!
One knee down with the two-handed hand hold. He’s well coached!
😀
FOLEs taught him that.
Notice she went to the ground to hug him
“Will you marry me?”
“ YES!”
“I uhh, can you help me up or…”
Yeah yeah, she is probably jumping in his arms, not cool future Mrs. Wentz, we need those legs healthy.
Damn, the Eagles are religious. The BLM haters are going to have a hard time of things.
I have to say I don’t mind it much if you back it up with public works. And these guys totally do.
What does the Bureau of Land Management have to do with Eagle religiosity?
they want Carson’s land
I like that that at the end of the game it’ goes from emphatically singing Dreams and Nightmares ( a fine bit of music but you won’t be hearing it in church any time soon)
Then “alright everybody, lets pray”
*everyone does the lords prayer*
“ALRIGHT LETS GO SNORT SOME COKE OFF SOME TITTIES, WOOOOO!”
I can’t believe we won a SB. What felt so impossible at the beginning of the season seems normal now – why’d it take so long?
It’s really hard to believe. Think of how we all felt before the season. How far away it looked. But now it happened.
Is it really the offseason right now? I don’t wanna look at draft prospects for awhile.
Eagles end of year awards:
ROTY: Corey Clement
OMVP: Nick Foles
DMVP: Nigel Bradham
MIP: Nelson Agholor
COTY: Dougie
ROTY: Clement is a fine pick, though I think Derek Barnett has an equally strong case.
OMVP: regular season Wentz, postseason Foles (gotta break this one into two separate awards)
DMVP: Fletcher Cox (biggest difference maker on the defense. Jenkins is second, followed maybe by Brandon Graham and then Bradham. Linebackers just aren’t that important in today’s NFL. The one pick I disagree with here).
MIP: Again Agholor’s a fine pick. Vaitai also deserves mention though.
Non-Pederson COTY: I’m going DeFillippo. What he did with the quarterbacks this season was nothing sort of remarkable.
Agree with every word (like normal – get out of my head xenon). 🙂
Only thing I would add is that Mills also deserves a mention for MIP. I would probably put him after Algolor and Vaitai, but he is up there with them as most improved.
I was going to give Mills dpoy, name one player that’s wagged more fingers
Mills would be offended by MIP. He is 100% certain that he has always been great.
I’m going with Stoutland for NP COTY.
I was a big basher of the guy for the past two years, and he showed why he’s so highly regarded this year.
Completely turned it around this year. We finally got the guard position fixed
I thought about him as well. I crossed him off because he insisted on sticking with Seumalo and then with platooning Warmack for too long when it was clear Wisniewski was the second best G on the roster, but he definitely deserves a lot of credit for designing elite blocking schemes and for developing Big V from a liability to serviceable to an above average starter over the course of 10 games.
Another reason for DeFillippo is that Doug said recently that DeFillippo is in charge of putting together the red zone game plan each week and the Eagles were excellent in the red zone this year.
Yeah, it was weird to begin with and went on a week too long (maybe costing the KC game) but still…
I’d suggest Duce as COTY. The rbs were strong all year.
Nice under the radar pick. I like it.
Don’t read into this anymore than face value, but I don’t think we win the Super Bowl with Wentz.
I actually agree with this. Wentz is a better QB, but just feel like his injury caused something to happen internally to the team that likely wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
Interesting takes.
I disagree, but one could certainly make a case for that. Either way you are working in the realm fiction so, yeah face value.
I’ll one up you. I think the Eagles will win the Superbowl with Wentz.
Can’t agree there. Impossible to be sure, but I think the Eagles were doing well being the favorites with Wentz.
We’ll just have to win another with him.
To phrase this differently: I don’t think Wentz could have played any better than FOles.
I kind of agree. He has the jitters in important national games: see Seattle.
Carolina wasn’t an important national game?
Foles is a solid QB and certainly deserves to be a starter in this league. When he is at his best.. it is obvious what he can do. As Tommy said though, his worst isn’t great, and he seems heady. I wouldn’t want him starting for my team unless it was until I found my Wentz.
Should we trade him? NO
IMO I would have no intention of trading Foles. Some team would have to force my hand with an offer too good to pass up
I think we’re kind of in the catbird seat on this one. Foles is a low key, team-oriented guy and will not make a stink about going back to being a backup or try to force his way out. And he proved this season that there’s plenty of value in having a competent backup QB, so there’s no reason for Howie to sell his insurance policy unless he gets top dollar. I’m sure they’ll listen to offers but there will be no rush to ship Foles out, nor should there be.
That was my thoughts below. What is the insurance policy (Foles) worth to the team? If (in a super ridiculous scenario) the Browns said, we’ll give you #1 and #4 this year, I think we say good bye to Foles.
Foles need right coach willing to play right scheme, not every coach is doug pederson and can tailor scheme to player
Is he better than Jay Cutler? Ryan Fitzpatrick? Josh McCown? Tyrod Taylor? Maybe, maybe not, but I bet there are people in the NFL who think so. Means he should probably have an opportunity. I can name more guys I would take him over too.
Burton had a higher SB QBR than Foles… (118.8 to 106.1) QB controversy…?
But #AirYardz
PSA: the NFC championship game is currently being replayed on the NFL Network if you want to watch the 2nd best Foles performance of the 2018 season.
We didn’t have our own first round pick last year and we don’t have our 2nd rounder this year. It would be funny if we got both back by trading QBs
This is what Howie will seek. It is too congruous. Nice observation.
The legend of Nick continues
Did he call it Philly Philly when he asked for it? Bud better be buying the beer.
This is absolutely awesome. The look on Doug’s face when Nick called for the Philly Philly play is an instant classic. Kudos to Doug for listening to Nick.
I get a buzz of elation every time I see that replay! That live audio just tweaks the buzz. Thanks, friend.
Right now we have two QBs on the roster that are better than Dak Prescott!
What’s not to like?
I think Nick is better than Cousins too. If I need a QB, not sure giving Kirk $26+M per year with lots of guaranteed $ is a better option than trading a #2 for Nick.
What’s wrong with Nate Sudfeld?
edit: Right now we have three QBs on the roster that are better than Dak Prescott!
What’s wrong with Trey Burton?
How many TDs has Dak thrown in the SB?
edit: Right now we have four QBs on the roster that are better than Dak Prescott!
Let’s not forget that Lane Johnson was originally recruited as a QB in college.
How can Tom Brady be the GOAT without a receiving TD to his name? Advantage: Foles
To add insult to injury, I heard that Foles was also awarded Patriot of the week this week.
The 2012 draft had the two most hyped QBs I can remember (Luck and RGIII) taken first and second overall. Now, two QBs from that draft have won Super Bowls (Wilson and Foles), but not Luck or RGIII.
RG3 got used up by the coach.
Luck got beat up with no protection.
Sad for both.
And worth noting that there were 3 other qbs drafted before Foles and Wilson in Tannehill (1), Weedon (1), and Osweiler (2), and also all of those before Cousins.
Good point!
So in a nutshell, if Nick gets protection to make his reads, and has receivers who can catch, he’s your guy. I have a theory about his clutch performances: he loves playing and he does not possess an outsized ego. When teams are in post-season mode, they minimize mistakes and attend to fundamental execution, so OL protection and WR execution are likely to be present. Also, Nick doesn’t seem caught up in the pressure that many stars impose on themselves…they will draw attention to themselves through body language, gait, auto, salary, gf/spouse, casual conversation and then feel the need to always back it up. Nick has his faith, his family and an organization that he greatly appreciates for its loyalty. He said that he was blessed…and so is Philadelphia.
I think with the right coach, Nick could be very successful on another team. I have little doubt that if he replaced Goff in LA, he could perform at a high level as his replacement too as McVay seems like a coach who designs the offense around a QBs strengths.
Hey everybody, while we’re calling out Mike Lombardi for his moronic (and since retracted) Doug Pederson hot take, let’s not forget this steaming haht pile of gahbahge from Dan Shaughessy.. bet he wishes he’d decided not to file this one.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/01/30/why-can-eagles-beat-patriots-starts-with-coach/JbZkRoQJYlCEv1NYBUPdeM/story.html
Wow, virtually every sentence is word eating material. That guy won’t have to buy groceries until the Eagles win LVIII.
Bless you, I’m about to cause a problem on Twitter.
Yikes. Lombardi has since backed off slightly and tweeted that Pederson “won me over,’’ but the comment stands as a harsh appraisal of the man in charge of the Eagles this Sunday.
but the comment stands
On January 30
2018
I think Shaughnessy wrote a decent article after the game (he didn’t exactly mention this one though). That one… is cringe-worthy. Kempski called him out on that immediately, writing a critique article.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/boston-bozo-publishes-worst-article-so-far-2018/
Here was the post-game article, where he admitted the Patriots lost to a better team.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/02/04/hard-believe-patriots-lost-better-team/Mnn93MGHlIvl6ETJA03iEM/story.html
Minnesota seems less likely to pull the trigger due to having 3 QB, plus already given the Eagles a #1. It’s a career ending move for the braintrust if it fails.
Denver is too cheap. I think Arizona is the best move for all parties, most likely to happen. They have the personnel for running RPO’s all day. Plus, Foles has the history in Arizona.
All of the Vikings QBs are free agents.
Did not know that. Still dangerous for the GM, but definitely more likely.
https://www.twincities.com/2018/02/04/vikings-need-nick-foles-not-case-keenum-or-kirk-cousins/
That seems like a pretty bad sportswriter following the flavor of the month. But, some GMs can be that dumb. If the Vikings offer their #1 pick (again), I’d jump instantly. That would be a good situation for Foles, though maybe not as good without Shurmur. Hard to imagine they would spend a #1 to get Foles, when they could just re-sign Keenum. Who replaced Foles once before — would be odd to go the other way.
Unless Flip becomes their OC.
They will re-sign one.
If they don’t resign Teddy, I believe that would be a sign his knee is not stable.
I don’t see Bradford getting resigned for the same reason. Plus Sammy will probably ask for a huge contract.
I still think Foles is better than Keenum, and a year younger. I’m not sure how much guaranteed money you can give Keenum as he only has one good season under his belt, and it wasn’t that great either.
Sammy B is gonna be a Giant
Wherever Shurmur goes, Bradford eventually goes.
Nick towers over Keenum first of all. Keenum is average height. Nicky is 6’5″ and stands tall in the pocket. Big edge.
Brock Osweiler is 6’8”.
not the rookie
Sloter?
yes Kyle Sloter undrafted out of Northern Colorado
I don’t think he has played a down.
They may have a CBA out with Bridgewater — his contract may have tolled, meaning they may have the ability to bring him back at this past year’s salary. But that would almost certainly face a grievance, so that route is probably something the Vikings would rather avoid. I’m sure they will try to re-sign one of the three.
Do we want Nick Foles running an RPO heavy offense in our own conference?
I don’t. The NFC is already more competitive than the AFC. Let’s not help a team we’ll have to compete against for playoff seeding every year.
I don’t think they’ll check with us. 😉
Foles is in position to retire if he doesn’t like the trade. I don’t see that issue getting forced. Arizona and Minnesota are definitely top likely choices. Unless Miami feels like getting fleeced again.
I really think we owe it to him not to try to trade him against his will. The guy won us our first SB and, if not one of the greatest QBs in franchise history, is now among the most notable. He’s now a living franchise legend. We only deal him if it’s to a situation he’s happy with.
There are a lot of dumb coaches in the league, so there’s no guarantee that whatever team trades for him will be able to unlock his abilities, but he’s proven that if he’s in a system that suits his talents, with a good coach, he’s not a guy you want to have to play against in a big game. Like I said, trade him to the AFC or keep him. Jacksonville or Denver would be good destinations. Absolutely no to Minnesota, especially if they hire DeFilippo as the OC. Don’t think he’d want to go to Arizona, and I don’t want to trade him there either.
If he’s bringing our coaches, players, and Wentz with him I can’t be worried about where he goes.
No OL and nothing at WR.
Which is crazy because that WR corps has looked like the next big thing several times in the past few years. But they never actually turned out to be all that good.
Nick Foles is Neo. Matrix, not Dynamite He wasn’t the ONE until he took on a different life. In 2012 he had the look and the skills to be the one. He had to wait until his football life crashed and was dead for him to come back as a different person and a different player.
Side note: Had to stop by and grab some cat food from the vet office. Lady behind the counter looked up and saw my Eagles gear. She high fived me. She is a cousin to Grugier-Hill. Pretty cool.
I know its soon but since all everyone wants to talk about is the Foles/Wentz situation: I have been going back and forth for it. Foles is getting a statue or a street named after him (Already working on Brady St apparently). As far as insurance goes, no better policy for making sure Wentz is healthy.
If they do indeed feel Wentz is healthy by week one, I would pull the trigger. We do not have 2nd or 3rd round picks. We have immediate or down the road needs at WR2, TE2, RB2 (although I like Clement), MLB, LT, among others. However, the tipping point for me is the $5M+ cap space saved and 4-5 years of a rookie contract vs. a one year backup QB rental.
The absolute floor for me is a high second rounder+ maybe a late rounder. I think more can be had. But doing right by Nick and putting him in an advantegous position are something we owe him.
I agree with you, but would add I’m not trading him for a “pick” there’s got to be a player there that I’m targeting. So maybe a top 10 talent drops to the 20s and you can deal Foles for a second and package that second to move up and get him -something like that. That’s the only way I’d deal him.
But I don’t really know anything.
I found this entertaining: Jimmy compiled a bunch of comments from other NFC East message boards. Some nice schadenfreude and interesting perspectives.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/reliving-the-eagles-super-bowl-win-through-the-eyes-of-cowboys-giants-and-redskins-fans/
U should see “WTS” if u like that concept
What They’re Saying About The Eagles – By TB Eisen on bleedinggreennation.com is the far better version of this. He does them so well and spends so much time on it, its amazing.
Part 1 of the SB apparently is going to drop tomorrow and its going to be glorious.
Agreed. That thing is gold every single week. This week should be fing awesome.
JK’s inspiration perhaps
The one he compiled after the NFC championship game was actually way better… Some of the quotes had me falling out of my chair I was laughing so hard
Can’t go wrong with Schadenfreude based on NFC East fanbases
If I told you back in 2014 that Nick Foles would lead the Eagles to their first Super Bowl victory in 2018, you would probably believe me.
That’s how bizarre this whole run is.
https://pics.me.me/fb-thebestoftv-time-is-a-flat-circle-everything-weve-ever-done-7782452.png
Well, that sounds boring………………
Great show. 2nd one wasn’t as good.
If you haven’t quite OD’d on Brady schadenfreude yet:
https://slate.com/culture/2018/02/this-post-is-nothing-but-a-bunch-of-photos-of-tom-brady-looking-sad.html
With all the conjecture about Brado forcing the Jimmy Garafolo trade .. what would we have to get from the th Pats for Folesy ?? .. can you imagine trading them foles for a 1st and a 4th and then playing them next year in the Super Bowel ???
..
If the NFL is indeed fixed, they will write that story
Yes, the excuse continues to get louder
and louder. The ONLY reason the Eagles won the Super Bowl was because Malcom Butler didn’t play.
HOWEVER, what the conspiracy theorists refuse to acknowledge is Pederson’s ability to make adjustments on the fly. Almost everyone thought the Eagles would attack Rowe, only it was thought he would play in the slot where he plays terrible. It goes without question that Agholor, who played a good game, would have eaten Rowe up and had an even bigger game.
What’s also lost is that not only is outside corner a better fit for Rowe, but he actually played it well in the Super Bowl. The first TD, he had Jeffery covered as well as possible, but a perfect throw and great catch made it impossible to stop the play. There is no way Butler or anyone else stops that catch short of interference.
Give me a break. The Eagles torched every DB the Patriots ran out there at times, even Gilmore. If Butler had played Pederson would’ve made sure he had his turn in the barrel.
Butler gets better and better with each hour since the Super Bowl. If he were out there, he would have single handedly shut down the Eagles offense and the Patriots would have blown us out. Don’t forget, Butler made one big play in the Super Bowel three years ago. The entire reason the Eagles won was because of Belichik benching Butler. They would have had no chance if he had played.
Had never thought about it that way. Our superbowl is definitely tainted and we got pretty lucky I guess… Maybe butler could have blocked Graham better than Mason on the strip sack.
He probably would have snapped it better than their long snapper on their missed field goal too. 😉
Exactly.
You want to run Philly Philly ?
…. yeah let’s do it
.. ok “Philly Special”
..
Rest is history
Oh my!
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/961035448490610689
You think Bill is close to being out? Wonder what changed his mind!
I think Bill is done. Brady might have lost the game Sunday, but he won the battle today.
Hey Dave! You think BB is retiring now?
The eagles may have just blown up the second death star and killed palpatine.
Your post is even better once I read your username.
You don’t want to follow Belichick in that situation. It’s not like Bill Walsh or Jimmy Johnson -the next HC of NE has a tough road to hoe.
Concur. Cannot follow a HOF coach and expect to remain very long. Expectations are too high.
It worked out for Seifert in San Fran, Cowher in Pittsburgh, and Jimmy Johnson in Dallas.
Thing is, all those guys had stable ownership, a long-term franchise QB in place, and/or were succeeding a legend after he’d already started to slide downhill. None of those things is true of whoever takes over for Belichick.
Good examples of the exceptions. Concur there were reasons for their success beyond ability. There are a lot more Barry Switzers and Phil Bengstons around.
Plus overwhelming talent.
Probably the reality of what he is dealing with there from both a talent and an ownership / management perspective
Nuts!
Flip or Reich should garner an interview IMO.
Yeah if i was Indy i would come hard after either of Flip or Reich.
Just realized Flip may interview with Vikings as OC. Makes a Foles reunion in Minny more probable.
Wow. This is bad news…
https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/961040519097978880?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0
This must mean that Bill is retiring now, or in a year or two at the most.
This was my immediate thought. Maybe even before next season?
#Gore’d
Disagree with Tommy in that I think Foles was better against Vikes (tougher opponent, too), but we’re splitting hairs – he was great in both games.
As to Foles’ future, Eagles should find out what he wants career wise, and do what’s in HIS best interest.
I think the level of difficulty of passes thrown were higher in the Super Bowl. Where the receivers seemed more open in the conference championship game, the coverage seemed tighter in the Super Bowl.
In the Vikings game, only the flea flicker to Smith was well-covered requiring a perfect pass, while against the Patriots, Foles needed perfect pass to Jeffery on the first TD and had to throw a laser shot on Clement’s TD. Also Foles through a nice back shoulder to Agholor for a nice gain and had to throw sidearmed around Harrison for a crucial 3rd down conversion on the final TD drive.
No matter how you look at it, two superb games by Foles.
I totally forgot about that play. What a throw, and what a catch. Nelly’s hookers will be comped in Philadelphia from now on.
Chris Long wins on and off the field. This whole thread is worth reading.
https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/960749534170308610?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0
Long smashed that fool.
Meet your next Representative, Chris Long. 🙂
Seriously, with Brady and Belichick and Kraft being buddy-buddy with Trump, the Eagles were definitely the good guys in this one.
Awesome! Super happy for Merrill & Mike so excited. What’s wrong with my eyes? Chills!
https://youtu.be/FVheMnkHojI
I love Merrill Reese. I wish I could sync up their broadcast with TV broadcast. I’d rather listen to him than any of the goons the networks have for their games.
Especially, when you have blind color analysts.
The thing I love most about Merrill and Mike is that while they clearly love the Eagles and make no secret about who they’re rooting for during the game, they’re not homers. For most local crews every officiating decision that goes against the home team is a terrible call and every big play by the opposing team only happened because of an uncalled penalty, but M&M acknowledge it when the Eagles screw up and don’t have an excuse and are fair to the opposition.
So they’re Negadelphians.
Nah, but when e.g. an Eagles blocker clearly commits a holding penalty, they’ll say “so-and-so clearly got caught holding there” instead of going on about how the refs have it in for the team like many local announcing crews do.
Wow. This is what I was missing with dumb Al and cris. It suddenly sank in. This is amazing. Merrill getting choked up got me. Wow.
Anybody know if Merrill and Mike are team employees or just work for WIP? Because those two deserve rings.
I think they are team employees. They will probably get rings.
Thank you for this.
U got it bro!
I don’t think McDaniels is a good HC but what a low class move. The colts now need to scramble. What kind of a leader backs out like that. Sports radio was right. Hopefully more things to happen.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/960299085214318592?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0
Low percentage but what about a Belichick trade to the Colts? Resurrect Lucks career and stroke his ego further..
¯_(ツ)_/¯
My understanding from my Eagles fan friends stuck in Patriots territory is that the only other job Belicheat would be interested in is the Giants. So they could have promised Mcdaniels the Patriots after next season while Bill “retires” until the Giants job is available again.
Taking the pats HC job without belicheat or Brady is a rebuild.
That’s one of the reasons few teams wait to the Super Bowl to decide on a coach.
Colts inadvertently achieve addition by subtraction?
Wait. Whoa?! What???!!! Just getting on line and in touch with developments since this morning.
WHAT happened with Josh McDaniels?
I called this earlier today! No details yet.
Edit I didn’t call it just mentioned sports radio thought might happen.
WHAT did you call? I’m totally lost. Did the Death Star implode?
I relayed the Boston sports radio topics yesterday. One was mcdNiels hadn’t been announced no good reason was he going to back out.
Kraft threw more money at him and McDaniels decided to stay I guess.
I still love all of you
*BREAKING NEWS
GE will be at the Parade this Thursday.
Thank me later
GE
See ya there, bud.
I will be the crazy German standing in front of the Museum of Arts. You can’t miss me!
Got it. Look for the idiot in the black #71 J. Peters jersey.
You’re gonna have to be a lot more specific…
There’s actually not many wearing a JP jersey! I’d guess only 5,000 people on Thursday…
I’ll have my Bradham jersey on .. uh, under my jacket though
I’m hoping our beat down made belicheat retire
UNSUNG hero:
McLeod making the 3rd down stop on the jet sweep resulting in a missed FG by the Pats.
That play was huge!
Too bad he wasn’t able to slam him backwards, but hey, he made the stop. Too many defenders close their eyes and go low…. Just ask Saints fans.
I would say that Cooks got hit hard enough the next time he got the ball to make up for it.
And Jenkins just walked away .. that was chilling
Yeah, that is what Cooks was counting on.
Poor Cooks. Took a helmet to the satchel on that botched hurdle on one play, then got straight clocked on the next. Eagles were not nice to him.
who said they wanted another SB this weekend…
https://www.nflfullhd.com/super-bowl-lii-philadelphia-eagles-new-england-patriots-4-feb-2018-replay-full-game/
They should have Tony Romo commenting on the game with Merrill’s play by play.
Supposedly the Vikings are interested in interviewing DeFillipo for their OC job, but can’t talk to him until his contract with the Eagles ends on February 14. Does anyone know if the Eagles are forcing the Vikings to wait and why? It’s not as if they can force him to stay and the last thing they want is a reputation for making it difficult for coaches to get better jobs.
Maybe after the parade they will let him… No reason to distract from celebrating.
Maybe making them wait for being cocky and having a bunch of arrogant fans…
I say good bye to Schwartz and try bringing in Gus Bradley.
Just rewatched the fourth quarter from the first time.. seeing it again, our defensive line had Brady under duress way more often than I remembered from watching it live during the Patriots’ last two drives. He was still able to complete passes because he’s great, but they consistently moved him off his spot and forced him to throw short or somewhat off-target, reducing YAC and causing him to miss some opportunities down the field. And while Graham’s strip was the only sack, they got close on several other occasions.
As for the DBs, Darby and Robinson were noticeably worse than Mills. Mills got burned on one sluggo by Hogan but otherwise was our best corner by a mile. Some of the completions were bad coverages, others were just the Patriots having two great players in Brady and Gronkowski and a coaching staff that knows how to scheme up opportunities.
I’ll reiterate what I said earlier – winning a championship against a dynasty like the Patriots led by a great player like Brady is much better than winning one against a nondescript upstart like the Jaguars. There are several reasons this win means more to me than the Phillies’ 2008 WS title but the fact that the Eagles vanquished a legendary opponent while the Phillies beat an afterthought recent expansion team with no history is one huge one.
I’m pretty sure I read the Eagles got the most hits on Brady all season, and the Inside the NFL on showtime pointed out several times the Dline pressure forced Brady into throwing early and botching what should have been sure touchdowns.
Did you notice their receivers almost always being wide freaking open?
I don’t remember a whole lot of contested catches with their receivers making miraculous catches from absolute dimes thrown by Brady.
The Eagles’ highlight reel is full of those plays though. Amazing throws, amazing catches. The Patriots’ passes: not a defender within five yards.
This Eagles’ secondary is suspect. Praying Sidney Jones is a stud.
There weren’t a ton of contested catches, although there were some (such as Gronkowski’s go-ahead TD). What there were a lot of really difficult, off-balance anticipation throws made from collapsing pockets or bad angles. Brady often looked like he was chucking it up in desperation, but he was actually throwing to a spot, and on several of those throws where receivers were wide open when they caught the ball, they weren’t open when he released it – it was just exquisite route running by the receivers and exquisite timing by Brady that allowed them to create a bit of separation at the exact moment the ball arrived. This isn’t something that’s really noticeable unless you watch more than once and focus on the pass catchers before the ball arrives since your eye naturally tends to follow the ball while watching the broadcast.
Bottom line: some of it was bad defensive play by the Eagles defenders, particularly Darby and Robinson, as already noted. But more of it than I initially thought was the Patriots’ offense just being really good, and Brady being a great freaking quarterback. Seriously, go back and rewatch it and pay close attention to what’s happening with the receivers rather than the ball.
Josh McDaniels is and has always been a scumbag. What a piece of trash.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/sports/football/nick-foles-trick-play.html
Alshon is savage lol….
https://youtu.be/nDVGMEtYP-A
Who knew that Alshon Jeffery is such a no-nonsense guy? Hahaha.
Lol…”I’m just here so I don’t get fined!”
“Who will the Colts interview?”
Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2018, 10:02 PM EST
“For now, it’s not known who they are. Possibilities (in our view, with
no inside information for now) include Chiefs special-teams coordinator
Dave Toub, Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, Eagles offensive
coordinator Frank Reich, Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, Bills
defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, and former Falcons and Seahawks
coach Jim Mora.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/06/who-will-the-colts-interview/