SD 13, PHI 10 – 2nd Half

Posted: September 15th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 380 Comments »

Can we stop Philip Rivers?

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380 Comments on “SD 13, PHI 10 – 2nd Half”

  1. 1 ACViking said at 2:40 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    At 13-10, we have a great opportunity to see how good the
    coaches are at making adjustments on BOTH sides of the ball.

    The Defense cannot stop the Chargers (save the turnovers –
    can’t depend on those).

    The Offense looks good but not dominant – Vick missing 2 TDs
    to DJax.

    ________________

    I’d love to see Aaron Rodgers in this offense.

    He’s got the quickest release in the NFL . . . and very good
    wheels.

    ________________

    Ironic that in Games 1 and 2, Kelly’s come out throwing . .
    . just like Reid would have.

    Chuckle!!!

  2. 2 GEagle said at 2:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I’d want to see Kapernick in It…UGH !!!! Damn you Shefter!!!

  3. 3 ACViking said at 2:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    why Schefter?

  4. 4 GEagle said at 2:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    He reported today that we had a trade in place last year to trade our 2nd for KAp, but pulled out because we thought we were going to get Wilson

  5. 5 47_Ronin said at 2:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Shouldn’t that be damn you Roseman?

  6. 6 GEagle said at 2:49 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Lol yeah…but I wish I had never known

  7. 7 ACViking said at 2:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Eagles could have taken Kaepernick instead of Watkins . . . even with one of those trade-downs

  8. 8 Anders said at 2:40 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    We need more pressure

  9. 9 GEagle said at 2:40 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That’s how my Eagles HIT! Attaboy Meco!!M

  10. 10 scratcherk said at 2:40 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Good hit, but the result sucks. That looks bad.

  11. 11 GEagle said at 2:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Agreed

  12. 12 scratcherk said at 2:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Would it be a dick move to challenge that?

  13. 13 GEagle said at 2:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Don’t think you can challenge that it was a fumble

  14. 14 Anders said at 2:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yes you can, you can challenge if he had possesion before he lost it

  15. 15 scratcherk said at 2:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Also there is clear recovery by eagles.

  16. 16 GEagle said at 2:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Oh thanks…..damn I hope that as soon as this game is over, Malcolm Floyd is ok

  17. 17 Tyler Phillips said at 2:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Would be nice to be able to bring in Curry for some inside pressure.

  18. 18 Julescat said at 2:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    so is Kelly no longer an offensive genius?

  19. 19 ACViking said at 2:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Totally overrated.

    And the Eagles SB odds will be worse than before opening day after this game

  20. 20 xeynon said at 3:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I have to wonder what the hell the people who bet on them to go to the Super Bowl at inflated odds after last week were thinking. How many times does this have to happen before people remember that it is a LOOOONG season?

  21. 21 ACViking said at 2:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    T-Law:

    When the proverbial bell rings . . . DeMeco Ryans shows up.

    3-4 or 4-3. Doesn’t matter. A real professional — and good, too.

  22. 22 xeynon said at 2:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That is the kind of hit that the NFL will never be able to legislate out of the game – concussions/head injuries are always going to be a risk.

  23. 23 Anders said at 2:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I think Ryans will get a letter from the NFL

  24. 24 xeynon said at 2:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    How can you fault him for that? Floyd was running in a crouch leading with his head, and Ryans had his eye on the ball until a split second before the hit. Not a dirty hit, just an unfortunate situation.

  25. 25 Anders said at 2:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Its Roger Goddell we are talking about

  26. 26 ACViking said at 2:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Goddell’s a pimp . . .

  27. 27 ACViking said at 2:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yes . . . hard tackles on receivers just ruins the 45-38 games we get.

    Kidding of course.

  28. 28 Matt Williams said at 2:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Anyone have any insight into why Matthews and Graham were in for Barwin and Cole at the end of the First Half?

  29. 29 Crus57 said at 2:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Think they rotated the D, Square was in there too on the DL.

  30. 30 SteveH said at 2:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Wasn’t even a big hit, just awkward how Floyd had his head lowered as Ryans came in.

  31. 31 GEagle said at 2:46 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That needs to be our ball…hope Malcom is ok, but they don’t get to keep the ball because we hit him too hard…wtf

  32. 32 Anders said at 2:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    With the ways the refs have rules today, I wouldnt challenge that and lose a TO again

  33. 33 ACViking said at 2:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Bingo.

  34. 34 Neil said at 2:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I was thinking the same thing. He took at least two steps with control of the ball.

  35. 35 ACViking said at 2:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Exactly like the New England v. Jets game w/ Edelman’s 3rd Q fumble.

    As Rex Ryan said when asked if it was a fumble . . . “I guess my view was obstructed.”

  36. 36 xeynon said at 2:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    By the letter of the law I think that was an incomplete pass, honestly. Floyd had just secured the ball but didn’t have time to make a “football move” before Ryans arrived and knocked the ball loose.

    Put it this way – if that were an Eagles receiver, we’d be screaming “incomplete pass!!!”.

  37. 37 GEagle said at 2:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I thought he got hit because he was fighting for yardage,,,no?

  38. 38 GEagle said at 2:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Meco is our best player today, followed by Barwin,Cole and Boykin…

  39. 39 J. Brian said at 2:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Thoughts and prayers with Floyd. Hate to see hard clean hits result in injury.

  40. 40 Weapon Y said at 2:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I’m sure nobody feels worse about Floyd’s injury than DeMeco Ryans. It’s not his fault either. It’s just a sad part of the game.

  41. 41 Crus57 said at 2:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Does serve to highlight one reason the rule about RBs leading with their heads was introduced.

  42. 42 47_Ronin said at 2:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    One good sign after the hit was that Floyd was at least moving both legs while on the ground.

  43. 43 Crus57 said at 2:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Floyd doesn’t make a move imo. Incomplete pass, I’d say.

  44. 44 Anders said at 2:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    agree on that replay

  45. 45 SteveH said at 2:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    jesus christ, they’re flagging Williams for everything.

  46. 46 GEagle said at 2:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Come on CDub!

  47. 47 ACViking said at 2:51 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Has Wolff seen any plays?

  48. 48 GEagle said at 2:51 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Nate looked benched in the second half, but I think he is back in there to start the half

  49. 49 Weapon Y said at 2:51 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Cary Williams might set a record for number of pass interference calls in one game. Bradley Roby is looking like a good pick for next year’s draft.

  50. 50 deg0ey said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    As an OSU fan, I’d absolutely love that pick. Roby is a beast!

  51. 51 GEagle said at 3:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I would love Roby opposite Cary with Chung and Byrd backing them up

  52. 52 Weapon Y said at 3:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Roby in the first. Ekpre-Olomu in the second. Sign Jairus Byrd and hope there’s another good safety in the free agent market. That’s my armchair GM plan for the secondary. We need a draft like 2002 that completely revamped the secondary in one year.

  53. 53 deg0ey said at 3:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    It’s a nice thought, but Roby’s going top-10. If we want to draft him, we’re probably not picking in the second round.

    EDIT: Assuming we don’t suck for the rest of this season.

  54. 54 Weapon Y said at 3:15 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I don’t think we can rule that out entirely. But I’d say realistically we’re a middle of the pack team. I’d be willing to trade up just to get Roby. I’ve had enough of 5 years of bad secondary play. I’m impatient.

  55. 55 ACViking said at 2:51 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Who was the penalty machine at CB last year? Nnamdi or DRC?

    Elbert Foules used to be.

  56. 56 Crus57 said at 2:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Nnamdi or DRC? Yes.

  57. 57 ACViking said at 2:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    nice

  58. 58 GEagle said at 2:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    They were both too soft and didn’t have enough dignity to even commit penalties…they just ushered opposing WRs safely into the ENDZONE

  59. 59 DamonL86 said at 2:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    wow terrible

  60. 60 GEagle said at 2:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Thank Nate Allen

  61. 61 xeynon said at 2:54 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    We need Nnamdi to run onto the field and point his finger so we know whose fault that was.

  62. 62 Anders said at 2:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That was on Boykin.

  63. 63 GEagle said at 2:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Not if he thought he had imaginary safety help

  64. 64 Anders said at 2:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    He looked into the backfield and lost his man.

  65. 65 xeynon said at 2:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    If we needed a reminder that Cary Williams is a below average CB this game is it. The guy was no better than the 3rd best cover guy on a league average pass defense last season, so it’s not surprising. At least he competes though.

  66. 66 Andy124 said at 2:54 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    He is what we thought he was.

  67. 67 GEagle said at 2:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    A better then he is showing today, bend but don’t break CB

  68. 68 SteveH said at 2:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    would love to see a defensive stop that isn’t a turnover. Just to mix things up.

  69. 69 Anders said at 2:56 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    would love some more pressure on Rivers. We are getting zero pressure

  70. 70 xeynon said at 2:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I would settle for an incomplete pass.

  71. 71 ACViking said at 2:56 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Gates body language since the fumble is terrible

  72. 72 Andy124 said at 2:56 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Do they get bonus points for the jumping time out?

  73. 73 GEagle said at 2:56 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    He even calls timeout like a wimp

  74. 74 Andy124 said at 2:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    lol

  75. 75 DamonL86 said at 2:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Shades of last year

  76. 76 GEagle said at 2:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    No pressure…easy TD

  77. 77 47_Ronin said at 3:00 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    And the mystery is why VC is inactive again. And I hope the Eagles didn’t waste a 2nd round pick on a DE that they can’t fit into the new defensive scheme.

  78. 78 Anders said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That happens when you switch scheme. And the Eagles is getting zero pressure with the likes of Trent Cole and Fletcher Cox. Doubt Curry would help

  79. 79 47_Ronin said at 3:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I don’t know about that. I agree with what Tommy wrote a few days ago. I’d like to see the Eagles run some 4-2-5 nickel looks and have Cole, Graham and Curry rushing the passer. I don’t believe C. Mathews is a better player than Curry.

  80. 80 Iskar36 said at 2:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Wow… Last year flashbacks

  81. 81 RichF said at 2:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Nobody even remotely close

  82. 82 47_Ronin said at 2:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    San Diego had a very good game plan for the Eagles, if not for the TOs they should be up by 14-17 points

  83. 83 ACViking said at 2:58 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Halftime D-adjustments look unsuccessful so far — if any.

  84. 84 J. Brian said at 2:58 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    We can likely all agree that we knew this secondary wasn’t going to be a strong area for this team this year. Just didn’t think that the secondary would be experiencing what looks to be serious mental breakdowns (holding, WR running free)… uh wow….

  85. 85 GEagle said at 2:58 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Not really the secondary…CBs would be ok if Safety wasn’t so bad

  86. 86 Anders said at 2:59 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    our CBs isnt good either.

  87. 87 J. Brian said at 3:00 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I don’t think we know that – can’t look into the d-playbook to see assignments. Safeties do look much worse than CBs

  88. 88 xeynon said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Not too surprised. Of the five top guys in this secondary, only one (Boykin) could be called a good player. Chung, Allen, and Williams are all below average starters. Fletcher is solid, but probably a nickel corner in a good secondary. We’re going to see a lot more of this any time we go up against a good quarterback this year.

  89. 89 Antonio Reyna said at 2:58 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I thought Juan Castillo wasn’t the D Coordinator anymore ……= / …this defense ain’t working ….

  90. 90 Andy124 said at 2:58 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Somewhere in Seattle, Nnamdi is pointing at a picture of Kurt Coleman.

  91. 91 GEagle said at 3:00 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    After his game last week his head is still tucked in the sand hiding like an Ostridge

  92. 92 J. Brian said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    hahaha

  93. 93 SteveH said at 2:59 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Too depressing, can’t articulate disappointment.

  94. 94 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 2:59 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    LOL, with 8 men in coverage they can’t seem to get someone within 10 yards of a receiver.

  95. 95 Crus57 said at 3:00 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    And that’s without Floyd.

  96. 96 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I wonder which two receivers they were triple teaming? Maybe that’s what the coverage was supposed to do and hope Rivers didn’t see the wide open guy by the sideline…

  97. 97 GEagle said at 3:00 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    We need to get pressure. Simple as that

  98. 98 DamonL86 said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    unreal

  99. 99 GEagle said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Nate allen can’t see the field..

  100. 100 ACViking said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    This is NOT Kelly’s defense. This is a 3-4 w/ 4-3 personnel and a mediocre (?) back 4.

    Would it make a difference if Dion Jordan was out there?

    SD’s game-plan is great. And they’re executing.

  101. 101 SteveH said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    replay shows… nate allen blew coverage on royal.

  102. 102 Anders said at 3:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    No the announcers are terrible, Allen was in a deep middle coverage. That was not his man at all

  103. 103 SteveH said at 3:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    wow Vick misses jackson deep a 3rd time.

  104. 104 Iskar36 said at 3:02 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Slightly over thrown but Jackson has to come up with that one.

  105. 105 SteveH said at 3:02 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    the slightly over thrown part is key.

  106. 106 Iskar36 said at 3:07 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    It still hit his hands and should have been caught. Maybe off balance and in a way that he couldn’t continue to run for the td but definitely catchable.

  107. 107 TommyLawlor said at 3:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Nah, that was just one of those plays where you’re inches off but no one made a clear mistake.

  108. 108 Iskar36 said at 3:05 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Oh come on, it hit Jackson’s hands. It’s not a gimme play but it is still a play you should make as a pro bowl caliber wr

  109. 109 Neil said at 3:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    It hit the very tips of his fingers, not his hands.

  110. 110 Westport_Johnny said at 3:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Good replay & commentary on last TD by san diego. Looks like #29 blew it

  111. 111 J. Brian said at 3:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    yup! Good commentary by the broadcast team?! amazing!

  112. 112 Anders said at 3:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    No Allen had 1/3 deep coverage.

  113. 113 eagleyankfan said at 3:04 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I’m glad Allen had a “solid” pre-season. this guy sucked last year and he still sucks.

  114. 114 SteveH said at 3:05 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    this game is a kick in the balls over and over.

  115. 115 eagleyankfan said at 3:05 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    just wondering if we’re going to see the “Allen wasn’t as bad as some the fans think” article…

  116. 116 xeynon said at 3:05 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    San Diego’s secondary is almost as bad as ours.

  117. 117 GEagle said at 3:06 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    So I predicted Eagles winning 42-20…….LOOKING GOOD!!!!!! “so your saying there’s a chance?”

  118. 118 SteveH said at 3:06 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    welp, how many TD’s have we left on the field now? There was the one to casey, the 3 deep balls to DSJ, the TD to DSJ that got called back. Am I missing any?

  119. 119 xeynon said at 3:09 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The first 8 minutes of this second half have an eerily familiar feel to them. Horrendous pass defense leading to an easy TD for the opponent, followed by an offensive possession featuring unbalanced playcalling, a bad penalty that negates a TD, and a draw play on 3rd and short that gets blown up in the backfield.. anybody checked to see if Chip Kelly has started growing a walrus mustache?

  120. 120 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:10 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    nice tackle by WOLFF!

  121. 121 GEagle said at 3:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    yes it was. Followed by good coverage by Boykin…Punt that chicken!!

  122. 122 RichF said at 3:10 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    There’s that non-to stop we’ve been waiting for.

  123. 123 SteveH said at 3:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Boykin again, he’s our best defender.

  124. 124 GEagle said at 3:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Meco

  125. 125 xeynon said at 3:12 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Kendricks, Barwin, and Cox are decent too. But he’s definitely our best defensive back by a large margin.

  126. 126 Iskar36 said at 3:14 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I have to ask, what has Cox done? I haven’t seen him do mug today (or a whole lore outside of one quarter last week either).

  127. 127 xeynon said at 3:25 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    He made a nice play collapsing a run play in the first half, but it hasn’t been his best day. He is a good player though.

  128. 128 Iskar36 said at 3:33 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I love Cox’s potential, but you have to show up on tape first before you can be in the discussion or best player on D

  129. 129 xeynon said at 3:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    If I were Whisenhunt, I’d keep throwing until the Eagles D proves it can force more than one incompletion for every ten dropbacks.

  130. 130 GEagle said at 3:12 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Cox needs to show up

  131. 131 GEagle said at 3:12 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Thats how you do it!!!!

  132. 132 RichF said at 3:12 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Amazing what a difference 6″ makes

  133. 133 SteveH said at 3:12 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    finally connected, thats been there all day

  134. 134 GEagle said at 3:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I would try that 10 more times before this game ends….they haven’t stopped it once

  135. 135 SteveH said at 3:14 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I agree, its been there all day just keep hitting it.

  136. 136 ACViking said at 3:12 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Re: KC Game

    Not too look too far ahead . . . but I’d expect an airial bombardment

  137. 137 Iskar36 said at 3:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    It’s about time!!

  138. 138 Anders said at 3:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    It was bound to happen right?

  139. 139 xeynon said at 3:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    About time.. that throw has been there all game. This Wright fellow has no chance of covering him.

  140. 140 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:14 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    seriously, it’s like Nate Allen versus anyone else in the league. I’d go back to the well as often as possible.

  141. 141 T_S_O_P said at 3:14 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    what’s the Eagles stat line when Peanut catches a TD?

  142. 142 TommyLawlor said at 3:15 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Good question. I’ll have to look into that.

  143. 143 T_S_O_P said at 3:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    t’s good in our favor, was raised last week. I just have awful short term memory

  144. 144 ACViking said at 3:15 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    FEED D-Jackson !!!!!

  145. 145 TommyLawlor said at 3:16 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The Chargers have no answer for him. Either they start playing back or we need to keep going deep.

  146. 146 GEagle said at 3:16 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    If the defense can force a 3 and out…. (insert the theme song from Jaws)

  147. 147 xeynon said at 3:16 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    We are seriously screwed if DJax gets hurt. He’s the only guy on the roster with any speed or better than #4 WR talent.

  148. 148 GEagle said at 3:17 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Boykin battles

  149. 149 GEagle said at 3:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Cary Williams!!!! Cary Williams!!!,

  150. 150 GEagle said at 3:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    No way

  151. 151 Weapon Y said at 3:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Boykin already looks better than Cary Williams.

  152. 152 GEagle said at 3:19 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    If Chung didn’t hold you woulda stood up, and thumped your chest at Cary cracking dudes short of the first down mark tho

  153. 153 deg0ey said at 3:20 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Update on my Race to 2000 Yards challenge from earlier:

    TheSeans: 588
    Dallas Cowboys: 597

    It’s heating up!

  154. 154 xeynon said at 3:20 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Great hustle by Trent Cole. Most pass rushers would have taken the useless shot at the QB there, he pursued the play and helped make the tackle.

  155. 155 DamonL86 said at 3:21 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    No pass rush

  156. 156 onemorebop said at 3:21 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Whatever happened to Graham?? The only rush we’ve got is the odd flash of Trent Cole.

  157. 157 Andy124 said at 3:22 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Here’s the sconces we expected. Catch in front of him. Sure tackle after.

  158. 158 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:23 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    at least carry tackles

  159. 159 GEagle said at 3:23 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I’m sorry, I adore how Cary tackles and battles out there…maybe it’s been too long since I seen a good corner or a feisty defender, but I love having him….he just can’t be the best player in a secondary….He needs to be a #2 CB with two good safeties backing him up

  160. 160 xeynon said at 3:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I love that he’s fiery and is a willing and capable tackler. I just wish he wasn’t so bad at pass coverage.

  161. 161 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    absolutely, he’s ideal in that role

  162. 162 SteveH said at 3:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    that hold by chung was painful

  163. 163 GEagle said at 3:25 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Lol Cary keeps beating on wood head

  164. 164 GEagle said at 3:26 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Long live The Queen!!!!(Dunlap)

  165. 165 DamonL86 said at 3:27 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    First down and boykin down

  166. 166 GEagle said at 3:27 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Boykin rolled his ankle…I saw it

  167. 167 RichF said at 3:27 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That’s about as awful as it gets

  168. 168 SteveH said at 3:27 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    goddamnit… all because Chung held. Fucking shit.

  169. 169 ACViking said at 3:29 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    and the Charger fans are saying . . . damn turnovers!!!

  170. 170 Westport_Johnny said at 3:28 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Can’t get a stop. Painful.

  171. 171 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:28 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Poyer is about to get abused…

  172. 172 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:28 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    0 pass rush as most of us worried

  173. 173 GEagle said at 3:29 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Wolff saved Chung’s ass

  174. 174 GEagle said at 3:30 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    sack Fumble time!!!!

  175. 175 SteveH said at 3:30 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    If chung doesn’t hold, this drive was stopped 5 minutes ago.

  176. 176 Anders said at 3:31 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    yea 🙁

  177. 177 xeynon said at 3:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Would’ve been the first stop we’d gotten all day, aside from the fumbles. I don’t believe the San Diego punter has gotten on the field.

  178. 178 Andy124 said at 3:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    They’ve punted once.

  179. 179 Andy124 said at 3:31 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    AFC North looks really weak this year.

  180. 180 GEagle said at 3:31 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Wolff is already better then Nate

  181. 181 Andy124 said at 3:31 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Gates should have had that.

  182. 182 Andy124 said at 3:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Good play by Kendricks there.

  183. 183 TommyLawlor said at 3:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yep.

  184. 184 GEagle said at 3:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Kendricks tackling a WR was huge

  185. 185 Antonio Reyna said at 3:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    we know what we gonna draft in the first 5 rounds !!!! Who are the best CB’s in college this year..?

  186. 186 GEagle said at 3:33 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    see Oregon, Ohio state and Florida lol

  187. 187 xeynon said at 3:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Cornerbacks, safeties, pass rushers, and don’t forget a franchise quarterback.. this team has a lot of needs.

  188. 188 BobSmith77 said at 3:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Needs – Defense.

  189. 189 Antonio Reyna said at 3:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Not a QB…. We can develop Foles until Vick leaves, but not having good CB is killing us… I really don’t think we got the right D-Coordinator… He’s blitzing a lot like he was playing Madden..

  190. 190 GEagle said at 3:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Cox is getting Nasty..I like it

  191. 191 SteveH said at 3:33 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    thank god only a field goal.

  192. 192 TommyLawlor said at 3:33 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yep. If the offense can deliver a TD, pressure really goes to the Chargers offense.

  193. 193 Crus57 said at 3:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I’d rather our O have to drive for the win than the Chargers, right now.

  194. 194 GEagle said at 3:36 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    we need to score a TD fast NOW!!

  195. 195 Westport_Johnny said at 3:33 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Did Cox offer a hand to Rivers and pull it back, saying “psych!”?
    Classic

  196. 196 ACViking said at 3:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Re: Earl Wolff

    T-Law . . .

    Can you give me a quick breakdown on how Davis is using Wolff right now?

    Are the Birds going with 3 safeties on passing downs?

  197. 197 Anders said at 3:35 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    We have played some 3 safeties look. We are bound to with zero healthy CBs

  198. 198 ACViking said at 3:36 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    meant to say that.

  199. 199 xeynon said at 3:37 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Vick taking another jarring hit… ugh. Just slide man, it’s not worth the extra two yards.

  200. 200 GEagle said at 3:38 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Good play by Vick….wtf with the No flag….I’m tired of these zebras

  201. 201 Crus57 said at 3:39 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Looked like one of the Chargers coaches left his leg for Vick to trip over.

  202. 202 GEagle said at 3:39 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Eeeeeeeertzzzzzz!!!!

  203. 203 Andy124 said at 3:40 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Ertz doesn’t appear to be fighting the ball today.

  204. 204 xeynon said at 3:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    DJax actually blocking downfield… anybody check to see if the sky is falling?

  205. 205 GEagle said at 3:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Attaboy with shady blocking

  206. 206 xeynon said at 3:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Nice tackle by Weddle there… that guy is a good safety.

  207. 207 GEagle said at 3:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Come on Djax….just come on!!!

  208. 208 TommyLawlor said at 3:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Finally get the lead in the mid-4th Qtr. Defense needs to make one big play.

  209. 209 J. Brian said at 3:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    welp – there goes that. Here’s hoping they worked on their 3min and change offense.

  210. 210 SteveH said at 3:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    welp, I dont feel so bad because if our D gives up a TD we can win it with a TD

  211. 211 GEagle said at 3:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I’m bout to cry

  212. 212 Andy124 said at 3:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Gained a lot of yards on that fumble. Wow.

  213. 213 GEagle said at 3:46 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I shed a tear

  214. 214 Neil said at 3:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Only against the eagles.

  215. 215 DamonL86 said at 3:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    HOW HOW

  216. 216 ACViking said at 3:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Re: 1/2-time adjustments

    T-Law . . . maybe in the GDR, you could point to adjustments on both sides of the ball. If any.

  217. 217 Macsit said at 3:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Does a point per drive stat exist??? The Eagles offense should be pretty good on that. If only we had a D

  218. 218 Andy124 said at 3:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Sure tackle by, gasp, Nate Allen.

  219. 219 Crus57 said at 3:46 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    This is all a cunning plan to let them score fast so we get the ball back.

  220. 220 Andy124 said at 3:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Agreed. This obviously has the feel of, last team with the ball wins.

  221. 221 deg0ey said at 3:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    On the plus side, a short field means the Eagles O will get another chance. On current performance, this D was never gonna get a stop anyway so it’ll be good to have a little more time for the comeback.

  222. 222 Andy124 said at 3:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Is it just me or has Ryan Matthews been out of the game for a long time?

  223. 223 Andy124 said at 3:49 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    There he is.

  224. 224 GEagle said at 3:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    thanks 🙂
    ..
    “put him in the bathroom

  225. 225 Andy124 said at 3:51 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Feel like Erkle. Did I do that?

  226. 226 GEagle said at 3:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I LOLed so it makes it a little better…But as my main man Jesse Catsopolis would say….”Have Mercy!!!!!”

  227. 227 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    good think about this offense is that they are always in the 2:00 drill

  228. 228 DamonL86 said at 3:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    This is gonna be a long season

  229. 229 DamonL86 said at 3:51 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    12 for 13 on third
    down against our D not a good recipe

  230. 230 deg0ey said at 3:51 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Looks like we found something Dunlap is good at…

  231. 231 Anders said at 3:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That is normally a holding call, except against the Eagles

  232. 232 xeynon said at 3:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    “Pancaking Nate Allen” is found in the skillset of most NFL blockers.

  233. 233 deg0ey said at 3:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Didn’t say it was much of an achievement 😉

  234. 234 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    ok, I won’t put that one an Nate.

  235. 235 BobSmith77 said at 3:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Its certainly has been an exciting game.

  236. 236 GEagle said at 3:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Time to find out how far ahead we are on the learning curve and mental toughness spectrum!!!!
    …
    LETS GO BIRDS!!!!!
    …
    Please Vick make me eat all my words on this one drive!!!!! Give me this game and I will go back to running around the city telling everyone that you “Have the biggest **** in the world”(like it was 2010)

  237. 237 Crus57 said at 3:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Well, we scored 27 points so far, so we’re still beating last year in that respect.

  238. 238 Crus57 said at 3:54 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Put it this way, would you rather our O have to drive to win, or the D have to stop the Chargers?

  239. 239 xeynon said at 3:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Would rather have the offense trying to kill the clock and protect the lead?

  240. 240 Anders said at 3:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    After last year I still think the O is going to turn it over on every play. So I really dont know

  241. 241 Crus57 said at 3:56 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Well, I also think our D will have an epic fail in the secondary each play so…

  242. 242 Anders said at 3:56 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That is why I wasnt sure. But will most likely have the Eagles O with enough time

  243. 243 J. Brian said at 3:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    both 😉 – just kidding of course, good point though offense is the strong suit here’s hoping they prove the point.

  244. 244 Neil said at 3:55 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Well I think we just had that answered, didn’t we?

  245. 245 xeynon said at 3:54 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    We have to time this so that we score with no more than :10 left on the clock.. otherwise Rivers is going to bring them back to beat us.

  246. 246 ACViking said at 3:57 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Re: Route Concepts

    T-Law:

    How much of the Eagles’ receivers seeming to wide open is conceptual . . . versus the formations/match ups . . . versus the threat of the run?

    During the Reid era, as good as he was at his best at scheming, I don’t remember receivers CONSISTENTLY being so open downfield (beyond 8-10 yards).

    And if teams are gonna 1-safety high in a 3-deep scheme, D-Jax should have a truly monster season.

  247. 247 Andy124 said at 3:59 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Really impressive how consistently open receivers have been throughout the first two games.

  248. 248 GEagle said at 4:00 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Come on Foles….this is the stuff that Legends are made of lol
    …
    Update: Damn it Foles. that was your opportunity and you BLEW IT!!!! Trade him!!!!! Lol

  249. 249 xeynon said at 4:00 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Gotta run some clock here. There is almost no chance we win this game if we give the ball back to the Chargers with two minutes left.

  250. 250 Andy124 said at 4:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Bunch of crap. That sideline was totally in the wrong place on that pass.

  251. 251 SteveH said at 4:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Sideline needed to reroute more towards the corner.

  252. 252 Andy124 said at 4:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Need to put the sideline in a better position for us to succeed.

  253. 253 xeynon said at 4:02 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Foles is obviously following the gameplan by misfiring on a throw to Jackson along the sideline.

  254. 254 SteveH said at 4:02 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    so… is Vick coming back in?

  255. 255 Andy124 said at 4:02 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yes

  256. 256 ACViking said at 4:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    He’s a warrior. If he had a concussion he’d come back in.

  257. 257 deg0ey said at 4:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Did anyone else hold their breath when Vick threw that pass like ‘okay, here comes the INT to kill off the game on a ball that should never have been thrown’?

  258. 258 Neil said at 4:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yeah, sure is what it looked like when I saw how crowded the destination was.

  259. 259 RobNE said at 4:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Why aren’t we running to kill the clock?

  260. 260 ACViking said at 4:06 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Last week.

    At some point, the law of averages favors the Eagles’ defense.

  261. 261 RobNE said at 4:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I don’t expect that from chip. I think he just mismanaged the clock and now we lose.

  262. 262 DamonL86 said at 4:03 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Left way to much time

  263. 263 DamonL86 said at 4:04 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    i see a 33 30 loss in our future

  264. 264 SteveH said at 4:04 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    well, games on our D now. so game over.

  265. 265 xeynon said at 4:05 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    OK… so I say we intentionally let the Chargers return this kickoff for a TD so that we get the ball back with enough time to score again.

    I’m only half-kidding.

  266. 266 ACViking said at 4:06 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    hear that

  267. 267 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 4:06 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Can we get a pass rush for just one play?

  268. 268 RobNE said at 4:06 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Why no runs at all down there? This was an Andy ending to that drive

  269. 269 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 4:09 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I really hope Kelly takes a look at his playcalling on that one. They could’ve easily gotten SD to burn 2 TOs down there.

  270. 270 Anders said at 4:10 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I think the Vick injury fucked it up

  271. 271 onemorebop said at 4:07 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Is Boykin in?

  272. 272 ACViking said at 4:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Last time I ever use the word “limb” in a comment here.

  273. 273 DamonL86 said at 4:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Hello 1 and 1

  274. 274 GEagle said at 4:08 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Man…this hurts. This really hurts

  275. 275 DamonL86 said at 4:10 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    incoming yet another game winning field goal against us

  276. 276 DamonL86 said at 4:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    why are we calling timeouts

  277. 277 xeynon said at 4:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Because you want a chance to return a kickoff if the Chargers make this FG.

  278. 278 DamonL86 said at 4:12 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    well they didn’t accomplish that and gave them more yards

  279. 279 xeynon said at 4:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yes, they did. Like I said above, they don’t call those timeouts, and the Chargers run the clock down to a few seconds before kicking that FG, the game’s over, with no chance at a miracle runback, Hail Mary, or hook and ladder play at the end. A low percentage chance to win is better than no chance.

  280. 280 Andy124 said at 4:11 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    So we’re either giving them a chance to turn the ball over, or preserve time to try to run the kick back.

  281. 281 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 4:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    the odds of getting a turnover are far too low to be taking that sort of gamble right now. Not really sure what’s to be gained with using the TOs there

  282. 282 ACViking said at 4:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Tom Brady falls to the middle of the field. Gives the kicker a better angle than from the right hash.

  283. 283 J. Brian said at 4:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    why the hell is Chippah calling timeouts?

  284. 284 xeynon said at 4:13 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    How big of an idiot is Dan Dierdorf? “I don’t know what Philadelphia is gaining by calling timeouts here”.

    A chance to get the ball back, you %@#$ing moron.

  285. 285 J. Brian said at 4:14 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    with what time dude there is no time. It doesn’t make any sense.

  286. 286 xeynon said at 4:15 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yes, it does. As is, the Eagles at least get a chance to return a kickoff. If they don’t call those timeouts, the Chargers run it down to :02 before kicking the FG and the game is over as soon as that ball splits the uprights.

  287. 287 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 4:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    possibly, but normally at the end of the game like that they kick the FG on 3rd down with a little extra time just in case something goes wrong. I understand the reasoning, but when they are getting ready to attempt a 49 yarder I don’t think you give them the extra yards. If its a 30 or so, sure, but at 49 yards the odds are probably 50/50 he even makes it.

  288. 288 xeynon said at 4:21 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    If you know they’re going to run the ball and feel confident you can stuff it at the LOS, you’re not giving them extra yards. As it was they only gave them one or two extra – that’s very unlikely to be the difference between making that FG and missing it. I’m not sure what the difference in success rates is for 49 yard FG tries vs. 47 yards but I doubt it’s very big.

  289. 289 J. Brian said at 4:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    maybe – but to my logic if the eagles didn’t call the timeouts than the chargers would have which then imputes they have add’tl timeouts when they get the ball back.

  290. 290 xeynon said at 4:20 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The Chargers would not have called a timeout until there was a few seconds left. It was not in their interest to leave any time on the clock. If the Eagles don’t stop the clock there, the game is over without any chance at a miracle play at the end.

  291. 291 Andy124 said at 4:16 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    One thing about having Chip as a coach, he’ll probably explain his line of thinking pretty well in the post-game.

  292. 292 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 4:14 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    He basically gave them an additional 3.5 yards

  293. 293 JJ_Cake said at 4:14 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    This Eagles Defense is infuriating!!! No pass rush, can’t cover….

  294. 294 GEagle said at 4:16 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Heartbreak hotel…gave me a heart attack and made me waste way more tree then I would have liked…sigh

  295. 295 ACViking said at 4:16 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    San Diego, today, proved the importance of a good, experienced NFL QB — and the lack of a pass rush

  296. 296 Anders said at 4:16 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    more later, than the first

  297. 297 GEagle said at 4:17 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I know I’m going back and watching every single snap from Graham and Cole…let’s see them trade Vinny

  298. 298 Anders said at 4:20 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Dont, you will get depressed by watching Dunlap manhandle Cole for most of the game

  299. 299 ian_no_2 said at 4:18 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The team with King Dunlap won.
    The team with Nate Allen lost.

  300. 300 47_Ronin said at 4:19 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    RE: Eagles pass rush

    Can someone honestly claim that Curry or Graham would be a worst situation than the current pass rush baseline of using Barwin as a DE or using a 3-3-5?

  301. 301 RobNE said at 4:20 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I can see going downfield fast, but once DeSean was at the 15, it is inexcusable for us not to run the ball. I don’t understand this at all. Foles could have handed off too, so Vick being hurt is not the reason. We should have been trying to end our score (FG or TD) after they burnt their time outs. This is on Chippah.

  302. 302 deg0ey said at 4:22 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I was surprised they called that pass play right before the 2 minute warning. They had a first down and enough time on the play clock to take it down to two minutes, then Vick throws a silly pass to stop the clock (at least it wasn’t intercepted) and Foles had to come in and get to 3rd down with no real chance to run down the clock. Doesn’t make much sense to me either.

  303. 303 GEagle said at 4:21 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    In 4days we get an opportunity to forget about this

  304. 304 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 4:21 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    those hope for an average NFL defense are still hoping. They aren’t very good through 6 of the first 8 quarters of the season

  305. 305 Eagles1991 said at 4:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Very True…wait until Big Red and the Chiefs throw for 700 on this secondary. That is not hyperbole, it is doable

  306. 306 Iskar36 said at 4:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Definitely seems like our defense benefitted from a lousy Redskins offense in the first half. The miscues of RG3 and that offense gave us a few false positives.

  307. 307 xeynon said at 4:25 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    They’re giving up 400+ yards and 30 points a game, and allowing very high opposing passer ratings and conversion percentages on third downs. I’d say “they aren’t very good” is an understatement.

  308. 308 BobSmith77 said at 4:21 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    ‘Frustrating and entertaining – 2013 Eagles’

  309. 309 Allen3000 said at 4:22 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Hopefully this game can finally put to rest the complacent attitude of so many Eagles fans. I’m typically an Eagles optimist, but this team has done nothing to instill confidence in me. As if the last two years hasn’t served as enough evidence, yet there’s still far too many people who routinely think this team is better than they are. I just can’t understand why anyone thinks this team should beat anyone. We were 4-12 last year. Sorry, rant over.

  310. 310 Crus57 said at 4:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    On the up side, we have yet to score less than 30 points.

  311. 311 Weapon Y said at 4:23 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    This game made it clear that the Eagles aren’t going anywhere until they get a competent defense.

  312. 312 GEagle said at 4:25 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    AaI think people are over reacting. I don’t know what happened, but the chargers Oline picked up every single blitz. That won’t always be the case….It’s never as bad as it looks after a loss, never as good as it looks after a win….we are a work in progress..doesn’t mean we cant enjoy it and have hope to win a bad division

  313. 313 xeynon said at 4:35 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I don’t think they’re going to be as bad as last year. But people predicting a division championship after last week were overreacting. This was and is a 7-9, 8-8 type team.

  314. 314 Crus57 said at 4:36 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Looking at our division, that still might take it.

  315. 315 GEagle said at 4:39 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Exactly….it ain’t how you win the division, or how good it is,..sneak into the playoffs and it’s ANybodys game…
    ….
    This is a young nd well coached team…if they can claw into the playoffs they will be a much better team in January then they are today…Earl Eolff, Ertz could be completely different players by then

  316. 316 xeynon said at 4:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Let’s hope so. But we gotta realistic. Watch the Seahawks/49ers game this afternoon and you will see there is still a major gulf between where this team is right now and serious SB contender status.

  317. 317 Anders said at 4:39 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    8-8 might take the division.

  318. 318 ACViking said at 4:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Re: Late time outs v. Turnover v. a Longer Kick

    Chip calls the TOs. Chargers run two plays using a hand-off, one a QB surrender.

    Kelly surrended 3-4 yards — making the FG 46 yards instead of a short 50.

    He also forced SD to execute two handoffs.

    So what’s the better play — Two TOs and hope for a botched handoff, leading to a a 46 yard FG . . . versus no TOS and a short 50 yard FG attempt?

    (I doubt the TOs were used for a Stanford KO return or 1-in-a-million TD on the hook-and-multi-lateral play.)

    I say it’s worth a shot that the hand-offs muffed, since the FG percentage differential is probably just about as marginal as the likelihood of a fumble.

    MAYBE “EAGLES REWIND” WILL GIVE US THE STATISTICAL DATA ON THAT DECISION.

    Whatever it is, Kelly’s very attuned to this kind of minutiae.

  319. 319 RobNE said at 4:26 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Tell me about the fine tuning thought process behind not running the ball after DeSean was down at the 15. Why not take some clock off? I thought he might run it every play at that point. Either you score a TD or leave no time at all and kick the FG.

  320. 320 Andy124 said at 4:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Agressive coach going for TD to win the game. Passing game was clicking way better than run game for the most part.

  321. 321 xeynon said at 4:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That’s not a good answer. In that situation, aggression = stupidity. When your defense sucks, leaving time on the clock for the other team to come back is asking to lose the game.

  322. 322 Andy124 said at 4:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    That’s not a good answer.
    Depends on what question you think I’m answering. I’m providing my guess of Kelly’s reasoning. Whether you agree with the reasoning or not, I’d say it’s a pretty decent guess as to why it went down the way it did.

  323. 323 xeynon said at 4:49 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yeah I agree with you – I just think Kelly is dead wrong if that was his thinking.

  324. 324 BobSmith77 said at 4:26 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Probably argue pushing the kicker out to the 50-yard line but you would need a couple of situational probability to due the actual math to see what was the ‘smarter move’ at least on paper.

  325. 325 xeynon said at 4:33 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I would guess the smart play there is always to stop the clock to ensure you get the ball back. A few yards (which it’s no guarantee you even surrender – a D expecting the run could just as easily stuff the runner for a loss and knock the offense backwards) is unlikely to make the difference on the FG try.

    It certainly works that way in Madden (which is admittedly not necessarily a realistic simulation). I wouldn’t be surprised if Chip Kelly has crunched the numbers on this precise situation however.

    To me, the far more egregious clock management blunder was not running more time off the clock before kicking the tying FG. They should have mixed a few running plays in there, and gotten the clock down to :30 or so before taking a shot at the end zone and then kicking the FG. As bad as this defense is their chance of stopping Rivers with 1:50 to go and a full complement of time outs was minimal. The timeouts before the FG at the end were inconsequential in comparison.

  326. 326 BobSmith77 said at 4:24 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    4-7 in season openers at the Linc. West Coast teams playing on a 1 PM start won at a 28% clip the last 10 years. Curious to see what they numbers are on a shortened-week.

  327. 327 xlGmanlx said at 4:26 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    chip Kelly – mental mistakes/clock management, no commitment to the run game, especially in the last few minutes/red zone to rob as much time from SD for a field goal. Better served to take a TO on the front side of the 2MW to get vick/celek back on the field. Lots of penalties for this team,
    DJAX – cost the game with a bonehead penalty that setup the last charges TD.

    Defense – zero pash rush, safety play abysmal, gashed in run game.
    Boykin – could push for time outside?
    Casey – dropped a TD in first half on cachable ball.
    See ya next week.

  328. 328 BobSmith77 said at 4:27 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    DJax’s penalty was costly. Amazing athlete but he is still a punk.

  329. 329 ACViking said at 4:26 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The first two Washington games of this season put last Monday night into a better perspective — especially factoring in Washington’s 1st-half incompetence on offense last week.

  330. 330 Anders said at 4:27 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    and now comes the overreaction.

  331. 331 RobNE said at 4:27 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    1-15 here we come!!

  332. 332 xlGmanlx said at 4:28 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Did you not watch Nate Allen play today? He should be cut tomorrow, sadly whats behind him is no better.

  333. 333 Anders said at 4:29 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Did you watch the whole D? Based on that, the whole D should be cut.

  334. 334 Julescat said at 4:30 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    so is the myth of Kelly the genius now over?

  335. 335 ACViking said at 4:37 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The Eagles’ offense was sloppy at times and left at least 11 points on the field. (Casey minus a FG, D-Jax long pass).

    Kelly’s still a genius . . . on offense.

    Defense? Can’t make a 3-4 chiffon out of 4-3 broken eggs

  336. 336 BobSmith77 said at 4:30 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Give a lot of credit to Rivers and Whisenhunt. Well-drawn up offensive game plan of attack by Whisenhunt and great execution by Rivers.

  337. 337 GEagle said at 4:31 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    All credit to that Oline…picked up every blitz

  338. 338 BobSmith77 said at 4:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    You don’t think Whisenhunt as a former O-line coach had anything to do with their protection schemes?

    Rivers had a pocket to step up and throw all day and the interior protection was stellar. Chargers were willing to let the Eagles bring pressure from the edge as long as Rivers could get the ball out quickly or step up into the pocket.

    Rivers also called a ton of audibles and did a bunch of adjustments at the line especially in the 1st half.

  339. 339 GEagle said at 4:36 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Absolutely…but that Oline really held their own and exceeded their reputation

  340. 340 Anders said at 4:37 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The Eagles pass rush has been terrible outside of the Redskins games since start of last year. Did you remember how the terrible Cards OL held up against us?

  341. 341 BobSmith77 said at 4:46 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Completely different scheme with a bunch of different players. Eagles don’t have a talented OLB who can pass-rush either.

    Interesting to see if Curry gets activated for the Chiefs’ game on Thurs night as the Eagles are desperate to generate any kind of rush.

  342. 342 Anders said at 4:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Cox, Cole, Thornton, Graham, Curry is still here from last year.

    The two best last year was Graham and Cox and neither have done anything when on the field.

  343. 343 Julescat said at 4:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    King Dunlap laughs at the Eagles D

  344. 344 Anders said at 4:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I have a hard time giving credit when this D blows this hard. They got ZERO pressure on Rivers

  345. 345 xlGmanlx said at 4:32 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    What happened to screens, bubble/WR/, draws, TE’s?

  346. 346 ACViking said at 4:34 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    defense didn’t give it to us.

    Vick had his best game as a professional — did amazingly well from the pocket.

    But he left points on the field w/ a couple D-Jax passes and a sloppy (T-Law’s word) pass to Casey . . . which he still catches 8 out of 10 at least. (Harbor makes that play.)

  347. 347 xeynon said at 4:39 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Vick had his best game as a professional — did amazingly well from the pocket.

    Gonna disagree with you there. I know he put up a lot of yards but he made several questionable decisions and poor throws that cost us points. That Monday night game against the Redskins in 2010 is still his high water mark.

  348. 348 Anders said at 4:39 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    What questionable decision did he make today?

  349. 349 xeynon said at 4:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Threw the ball into some very tight windows resulting in incompletions when he didn’t have to. Nothing horrendous but he was far from his best.

  350. 350 Anders said at 4:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    You mean the type of throws we hate when Vick isnt making as well?

  351. 351 xeynon said at 4:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Not saying he had a horrible game. He was very good, just not as perfect as he needed to be to win given how bad our defense was.

    Vick was not the reason we lost this game and I wouldn’t pin it on him. I just think it’s erroneous to say it was the best game he ever played.

  352. 352 Andy124 said at 4:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yup

  353. 353 Anders said at 4:49 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    I think this game was better because he was smarter with his body.

  354. 354 xlGmanlx said at 4:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    should have been a TD, hit casey in the mitts, no excuse. We did nothing to adjust to the chargers getting pressure, which they were able to do.

  355. 355 Julescat said at 4:35 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Kelly went from Bill Walsh status down to Steve Spurrier status

  356. 356 BobSmith77 said at 4:36 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Its ridiculous how little home field advantage the Eagles get from the Linc. Little/zero intimidation factor coming to Philly and playing in front of this crowd.

  357. 357 ACViking said at 4:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    And Jeff Laurie couldn’t wait to knock down the Vet.

    He wouldn’t even give the Vet a going-away party.

    So? This is the Curse of the Vet!!!

  358. 358 BobSmith77 said at 4:38 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Allen does deserve the ridicule he will get after the game. Amazing how often he is out of position in coverage and his poor his tackling was today.

    Confidence does matter to some degree even to a professional and he looked as tentative as a guy playing secondary could today.

  359. 359 Anders said at 4:40 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    What about Ryans, Williams, Cole? All them had terrible games, but people dont talk about em, because they are not Nate Allen.

    Also point me to where Allen was out of position?

    The first TD, was great play design by the Chargers running a pick play on him. The other TD where nobody covered Royal, was NOT Allen’s man, Allen had the deep middle on that play (you can see it by the way he back peddles into his zone)

  360. 360 Crus57 said at 4:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Disagree Cole had a terrible game, he was possibly our best DL, at least for the first half.

  361. 361 ACViking said at 4:42 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    All relative.

  362. 362 Crus57 said at 4:43 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    True. But Cole had a few positive plays, so I can’t call that terrible. Bad, overall, possibly.

  363. 363 ACViking said at 4:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    No, Cole was the best.

    By relative I’m thinking a bit about Cole v. 2008 — with the rest of the line struggling for sure.

  364. 364 BobSmith77 said at 4:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Sure. Take you pick. I thought the worst play was by the D-line today. Sopanga got whupped today and nobody did everything up front against the pass or run. Getting blown off the ball constantly or not maintaining gaps in the 1st half on run defense.

  365. 365 Anders said at 4:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Thank you. I know it is easy to be after Allen, but people also needs to be after the rest of the guys then. Cant pick and choose 😛

  366. 366 eagleyankfan said at 4:50 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    dude — if you’re not seeing how awful AND OUT OF PLACE Allen was — you’re not watching….this game pretty much backed up what Nnamdi was saying all last year…

  367. 367 Anders said at 4:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Show me the plays. Does Allen need to learn to tackle better? yes, but he is still by far the best cover safety we got.

  368. 368 GEagle said at 4:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Can’t stomach losing at home. This Has to stop

  369. 369 BobSmith77 said at 4:41 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Harping on Vick misses the point. Yeah he missed some throws and cost the Eagles some point but he also made some nice throws too. Also didn’t turn the ball over again today even though that fumble he had was fortunate to go out of bounds in the 1st half.

    2nd week in a row where the guys on the team with the best supposed hands (Avant) coughed up another fumble. It’s painful to watch how slow he is out there. This team misses Maclin in a big way right now.

  370. 370 xeynon said at 4:46 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    The offense deserves maybe 25% of the blame for this loss, and of that portion Vick deserves maybe 25% – he was far down the list of reasons we lost this game. But he did miss a few critical throws – the bombs to Jackson and that badly thrown ball to a wide open Casey on the first possession in particular. If McNabb had thrown that pass we’d be hearing jokes about worm burners all week.

    Still, I agree, the defense deserves to be in the stocks after this game, not Vick.

  371. 371 Anders said at 4:47 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    It was not a McNabb worm burner 😛 it was more a knee capper 😛

  372. 372 xlGmanlx said at 4:48 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Vick put up 30 with no turn overs and didn’t take any hits he didn’t need to, hard to put any of this at vick’s fault. I would like at the D and DJAX on this one, plus Kelly’s terrible clock management.

  373. 373 GEagle said at 4:44 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Much better QBs and Olines won’t play as well as Rivers and The Chargers this year….We didn’t beat ourselves. We fought hard against a very well prepared team. it won’t be like this every week

  374. 374 Crus57 said at 4:45 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Let’s also not forget if it’s not for DJax’s penalty and Henery not recovering that KO fumble, this would be a different game.

  375. 375 Anders said at 4:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Or Henery not missing a FG, or Vick hitting Jackson on one of those long tds, etc.

  376. 376 eagleyankfan said at 4:52 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    ok, everybody move back over, all the “pro’s” will be off our bandwagon again…good game … lots of fun. Not sure what Chip was doing at then end — or those 3 offensive play calls … but this team wasn’t going 16-0, dust off the lose and get ready for KC

  377. 377 BobSmith77 said at 4:53 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Eagles’ fans will be pissed and rightly so but nothing compared to the anger if they lose to Reid on Thurs night in a blowout.

    Really hope Fletcher can start too. Missed him in a big way today picking on Boykins in selective matchups and forcing the Eagles into a bunch of mismatches when they were putting 3 and 4-WR sets on the field. Limited depth the Eagles do have is really exposed in those nickel situations.

  378. 378 Neil said at 4:54 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Boykin was the highlight of the game for the defense.

  379. 379 BobSmith77 said at 4:59 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Yeah he did a nice job defending the deep out in the 1st half and caused a huge turnover. He also got beat today a couple of times too.

    It crazy to think what the Chargers would have done if Floyd hadn’t come out of the game either in the 3rd. Physically he and Gates were doing whatever they wanted to today vs this secondary.

  380. 380 xeynon said at 5:01 PM on September 15th, 2013:

    Is there a bigger disparity in quality for 4 o’clock games than SF/SEA vs. JAX/OAK? Maybe the two best teams in the league in the first game and the two worst in the second.