More Postgame Thoughts

Posted: August 22nd, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 139 Comments »

Let’s talk some more about the game and what we learned.

* The pass rush was better. The Eagles only got 2 sacks, but they affected Big Ben. Sometimes that meant moving him off his spot. There was a play when Mychal Kendricks pressured Ben and he lobbed a pass downfield that Nolan Carroll picked off. Sacks are fun because you see the QB go down, but pressure has a value as well. That INT is worth a handful of sacks.

The Eagles still need to get better, but at least this was a step in the right direction.

* Rookie WR Jordan Matthews caught a pass out of the backfield. The cool thing about that is that the play was designed to specifically get him the ball. It is obvious the coaches don’t see him as a typical rookie. It is important to mix him into the offense and to help him grow this year. God forbid anything happens to Mac or Coop, the Eagles need Matthews to be able to contribute. Get his feet wet when you can so that if things do go wrong and he’s needed, Matthews has a better chance of handling the situation successfully.

* It was good to see Coop out there. He has an excellent size-speed combination and is a good fit for this offense. It also helps that Foles trusts him. You could see that on the deep ball that went to Coop in the end zone. He was covered, but Foles put the ball in there to give Coop a chance to make a play.

The drops need to stop, obviously. Let’s hope that was some rust from all the time he’s missed this summer.

* OLB Marcus Smith is a good run defender. He can set the edge. He can shed blocks. He can make tackles. Smith still needs a lot of work as a pass rusher, but there is something to build on. His most impressive play came when he covered WR Antonio Brown down the sideline on a route. Smith had pretty good coverage. You don’t want that matchup, but there are times when the offense is going to come up with something that works perfectly. You hope that whatever defender is put in a tough position can do a reasonable job. Smith did more than that. Heck, he looked better than Curtis Marsh in coverage. Smith is a talented OLB.

* RB is a complicated position. I think the preseason finale vs the Jets could be a huge factor in making decisions. The backups will play a lot. They will be judged as runners, receivers, blockers and STers.

There is a compelling case for Chris Polk, Matt Tucker, Kenjon Barner and Josey Henry. The most simple factor here is health. If Polk can’t play, he’s in big trouble. The other 3 need to stay healthy.

One possibility would be going light at WR and keeping 4 RBs.

I need to study the game and see how these guys looked from an overall standpoint. STs play will be a huge part of that.

* My guess is that the Eagles would like to trade Brandon Graham. He certainly doesn’t appear to be part of the future here. He can rush the passer, but not is that enough to keep him? You already have one pass rush specialist in Vinny Curry. Beyond the starters at OLB, you have Marcus Smith, Bryan Braman and Travis Long. Smith isn’t going anywhere. Braman is supposed to be a key STer. Long is a player the team is interested in keeping, as you could see by having him play ILB and OLB vs the Steelers.

Graham can be a good role player and he’s a nice insurance policy for Trent Cole, but is he worth spending a roster spot on for that vs dealing him and getting a pick in return? There is no easy answer to this. Of course, the trade scenario only makes sense if some 4-3 team shows you they want Graham. I think some team would.

* DeMeco Ryans got flagged for an illegal hit. Then the Steelers had several questionable plays, but no flags. There were 2 hits on Brent Celek where his helmet popped off. There was also a hit on Shady’s TD that was awkward at best. Maclin was blocking near the goal line. Troy Polamalu came over and knocked the crap out of him, even though Mac was already engaged with someone and it didn’t affect the play. That to me was penalty material. Isn’t that the definition of unnecessary roughness?

Celek’s helmet popping off made those hits look worse than they were. I’m pretty sure at least one was completely clean, even though it looked bad. I need to check out the tape to be more sure.

* The running game was beautiful last night. Every RB had a run go for at least 14 yards. Those guys averaged more than 5 yards per carry as a group. I’m looking forward to seeing the OL in action. It looked like Kelce and Mathis had some really good blocks.

Even crazier was the way the backups handled the Steelers starting defense. I was shocked as Andrew Gardner and Matt Tobin opened big holes for backups to run on Lawrence Timmons. Polamalu and company. That’s insane.

But it did happen. And it was beautiful.

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  • Big Al

    Was Ed Hochuli doing his best Bill Leavy impersonation last night? it would explain a lot about the Steelers non calls…

  • A_T_G

    “Heck, he looked better than Curtis Marsh in coverage.”

    Glad to see your not setting the bar too high.

    • Baloophi

      Sadly, the same could not be said for J.R. Reed.

      • ICDogg

        I’m still on the fence about that joke.

        • Baloophi

          Well, don’t jump to any conclusions about it.

          • SteveH

            Baloophi’s been on a tear with his jokes.

          • Andy124

            When are he and A_T_G not on a tear?

  • Midnight_Greenville

    Worst part about the game was for those of us out of Philly having to watch on NFL network. Figured after watching the horrible NE broadcast team last week on NFLN, we’d at least get to hear the Philly broadcast, but hearing the NFLN guys doing it from the studio was truly awful.

    • TommyLawlor

      That was dreadful. Hope NFLN abandons that idea next year. Very distracting.

      • SteveH

        Still better than Collinsworth.

        • McNabbulousness

          This is true. and it didn’t help the NFLN guys that they weren’t even in the stadium. more than likely playing grab ass in the NFLN studios

        • Media Mike

          But Baldy is also horrible. I’d rather Ike Reece do the games.

          • GEAGLE

            True… But ATleast he circled cox and showed all the fools who been hating on cox how effective he Is… He basically forced the viewing fans and media to understand what cox does out there and how effective he Is…. Thanks to BALDI’S broadcast I haven’t seen any articles ripping cox these past two days

      • ICDogg

        What I’d like to see them do is use the SAP channels so viewers can choose their favorite local broadcast feed.

    • McNabbulousness

      well the difference to me was the network guys sounded like jackasses, the NESN guys are jackasses. that being said both broadcasts were bad, with the NFLN one being slightly less annoying.

    • deg0ey

      Yeah, well, those of us out of the country having to watch on NFL Gamepass got the Steelers feed.

      First play of the game: “Oddly enough, the Philadelphia Eagles offense comes out with two tight ends. That’s a rarity because they rarely even have a tight end in some of their sets”

      Second play of the game (on Coop): “He’s gonna have to be the guy who takes over that number one receiving position with DeSean Jackson down in Washington”

      I just watched the whole thing on mute after that.

      • Media Mike

        You realize people in Pittsburgh are so stupid that all 3 teams out there need to be the same color so nobody forgets.

        • Poppi

          So glad to know how smart you must be, tell me, what does the color green have to do with an Eagle?

          • Media Mike

            Well I remember Green/White, Orange/Black, Red/White, etc. without any difficulty. That is a start.

      • Midnight_Greenville

        I know. When my 8 and 12 year old look at me after the commentators say something, like they can’t believe what an idiotic statement it was, then you know it’s bad.

        • Media Mike

          Your kids will understand more once they take some more classes in geography and sociology and understand the true lack of intellect in the greater Pittsburgh area.

  • anon

    “One possibility would be going light at WR and keeping 4 RBs.” That’s a really good idea — the rbs can all catch and i don’t think anyone is really excited about the back of the wr group, whether it’s momah, benn or maehl.

  • anon

    tommy are we playing fantasy again this year?

  • SteveH

    IMO, but I feel strongly about this, we can’t deal graham. We’re so lacking pass rush as it is, it makes little sense to deal your best edge rusher (and at this point I think Graham is a better rusher than Cole is, even if Cole is better at other things) even if he’s only going to be a situational rusher. I’d be all for trading graham to a 4-3 squad where he’d likely flourish in his natural scheme if we had better rushers on the team, but we just don’t. Billy Davis can only scheme so much pressure, we’re just starved for guys who can get after the quarterback naturally.

    • Anders

      If graham is only going to play 30%, his impact won’t be that high anyway

      • Media Mike

        I was hoping that if he plays 30% of the snaps on D, our opponent calls a pass play on half of those snaps, and we’re talking like 10 pressures – 5 QB hits – 2 sacks a game for a record breaking sack total of 32 sacks this year for Graham.

      • GEAGLE

        I’m really not going to judge curry and BG on what percentage of snaps they get…..for me, it’s all about what percentage of the 3rd down passing situations snaps they get…

        They may be bad fits on first and second down, but they are PERFECT fits on 3rd down when we go to our 4 man lines…3rd down happens to be the crucial down…

        I don’t really care if we don’t play them in base.. That really just means we won’t have them rushing the passer when teams pass on 1st and 2nd down….3rd down is crucial, even as a 3rd down specialist I don’t think fans respect what a crucial role that is… Getting off the field on 3rd down is a major part of the success puzzle..

        • Media Mike

          The issue is going to be against good QBs that can run no-huddle, we’re not going to be able to sub Curry and Graham on the field. Luckily we only have 3 games vs. good QBs; Indy, Green Bay, Seattle.

          • Andy124

            You forgot about two against Eli Manning.
            **sits back with a bag of popcorn waiting for the show to start**

          • Media Mike

            ha ha ha ha ha ha. Will Eli even be alive by then? That o-line is going to get some people killed up there this year.

          • Media Mike
          • GEAGLE

            Yes, that will be a problem… One decent thing in our favor to counter that is when they don’t let us sub Curry/BG in the game, at.east our NTs aren’t complete liabilities against the pass… Both Bennie and Beau have more pass rush ability than the typical NT run stuffer who are complete liabilities on 3rd down…..

          • Media Mike

            Yeah, I don’t like Bennie for run-stuffing when I want to see both the Center and Guard terminated at the same time, but I love his activity level on pass downs. And to be honest, Fletcher Cox should be winning matchups on pass downs with ease.

          • GEAGLE

            39 QB hurries, two times he forced QBs to rush throws that Boykin picked off, says he won his share of individual matchups in his first year in the scheme.

            Not sure how you guys view it, but I expect a monster year from Fletcher Cox

          • Media Mike

            I’m down with that type of year from Fletch.

    • anon

      yeah i’d let him play out the deal and see what happens in FA / draft next year. they won’t find a better rusher this season and unless they can trade bg for a starting kicker i don’t think it’s worth it.

  • barneygoogle

    You mean Josey Henery, don’t you?
    Henry Josey looks really good, and he can square-up and go north/south really well–the antidote to sideways Bryce Brown. Supposedly, Kelly told him he didn’t have his full burst back yet from the knee injury. Can this kid get quicker? He’s got to at least make the practice squad. Shame he isn’t a wee bit bigger.

    • Anders

      He will get picked up IMO, keep him and cut Polk (who I really like but can’t stay healthy)

  • LiamGarrett

    Any chance in Hell the Dolphins would let Jordan go for Graham and a first round pick (which is the rumor I read earlier in the year)? Would that be a good idea for us?

    • ICDogg

      Hardly any chance in Hell or anywhere else.

    • Anders

      I wouldn’t do that as the eagles, 2nd rounder max

    • GEAGLE

      Not now….but they will trade us Dion next offseason. After almost half his contract is of their books…

      Dolphins cut Egnew yesterday, meaning they gave up on a top 80 draft pick of the past GM…another year of Dion struggling as a 4-3 DE and they will be ready to give up Dion for Vinny Curry, since Vinny is everything they are trying to force Dion to become…I expect us to trade for Dion sometime between Febuary and June…

      • LiamGarrett

        That would be sweet. -Especially if he really absorbs a lot of the pass-rushing stuff the Dolphins are trying to force on him as a DE this year. We’ll still need help getting to the QB, next year.

  • Pennguino

    was hoping Josey was going to do something special when he picked up that kick return that the other guy fumbled. I would like to see him return a couple next game.

    • Crus57

      Josey made it out to the 20 on a return that was fumbled at the goal line by somebody else, that’s pretty special in itself, especially since our STs had a few problems getting to the 20 even on a clean return.

  • bubqr

    No, no, no trading Brandon Graham, especially considering he would net us what, a 5th round pick? Pass-rush is the most important thing on defense, and we can’t afford to let go of one of the few guys that can get to the passer.

  • shah8

    We really should have picked Kelvin Benjamin at 22.

    Seattle crushed a competent bears team like they were nothing…and I felt a chill come on about that game in the regular season.

    The sooner Jordan Matthews pushes the incompetent Cooper aside, the better.

    I have not seen enough of the straight pro-throws that I’d like to see. Most everything is open from the system. Think that’s because of how the Eagles wanted to do preseason…

    The same issues I had with Eagles defense last year(not enough true star talent) are still issues today.

    • anon

      Oh you thought N. Foles was A. Luck, T. Brady, or P. Manning? Glad you realize, even if he was it’d be impossible to tell from this system which emphasizes pre-snap reads and getting players in space.

      That’s why N. Foles looks great, though M. Sanchez looks like he goes through progressions a lot faster than N. Foles.

      Our offense is great but it’s only 2/3 as good as seattle’s defense who seems unscathed by new rules which many think are actually targeted at seattle.

      • Andy124

        Our offense is great but it’s only 2/3 as good as seattle’s defense

        Well, that would make it just about the best in the league then lol.

    • Media Mike

      LOL @ Benjamin. FSU garbage.

      • GEAGLE

        What FSU guys translating well to to the NFL?
        ..
        Haven’t heard much about Christian Jones and Telvin smith

        Think it’s important to pay attention to how these FSU players translate to the NFL because this next draft, half of the top 2 rounds might end up being FSU players… Their roster is stacked…. Considering. Jones and smith failing drug tests, and FSU just letting Jameis Winston act like a piece of shit… Will FSU have Any prospect who’s character is suitable to the eagles?

        • Media Mike

          EJ Manuel, LOL.

          • GEAGLE

            And…yikes!!!

            Remember when Eagles fans wanted EJ and Geno Smith? LOL remember when EJ did a pre draft journal for philly media? LOL

        • Media Mike

          Casey Weldon was such a great pick as well.

          • GEAGLE

            Yikes!

        • Andy124

          Do Cory Simon and Tra Thomas count? lol

          • GEAGLE

            Yikes

          • Andy124

            I was just playing, I really don’t know how FSU prospects have faired in the NFL lately.

          • Media Mike

            Corey Simon was a flat out quitter and lazy. He never played to his level of talent. Far more often the case with FSU guys than Tra Thomas.

            Although Thomas could have taken his fitness a bit more seriously over his career to alleviate the back troubles that impaired his run blocking.

  • anon

    Haushka hit a 59 yarder today. no big deal -we can’t hit 31 yards. and sadly the comp we brought in is worse that our starter.

    • GEAGLE

      Gostkowski hit a 60yarder last night…. 60 yards… That’s almost double the length of the FG Alex missed vs steelers

  • anon

    Chicago’s 3rd down efficiency against seattle was 3-11 vs against phllly at 10-17 or twice as many 3rd down conversions allowe by us.

    • GEAGLE

      Sky is falling.,, let’s just chalk this year up as a loss and get ready for 2015

      • Andy124

        preseason is always, ALWAYS and accurate indicator of how the season will play out.

        • GEAGLE

          Obviously…. Lol

    • Anders

      Wasnt on the best defense in decade and the other 27th in yards?

  • GermanEagle

    Heck, he looked better than Curtis Marsh in coverage.

    To be fair, that’s not hard. Even my 11 months old daughters look better in covering their nappies..

    • GEAGLE

      Let’s not remind each other about Marsh… I can’t wait to forget all about him…. It’s one thing to make mistakes,,, but to watch a CB play an entire game and never turn around in coverage to see a pass is just sooooo bad.., it’s a shame because he is usually in decent position.. It’s not like he is just getting roasted out there… He is usually sticking with his man, just messes up at the end refusing to see the ball..

      I assume this is because he isn’t a natural CB… He is a converted RB…the successful corners can stay calm when the ball is in the air, not panick, make a play on the ball.,… Marsh does ok work the first 5 yards of a route, he then gets his hands off the WR and stays with them down field, but when the ball is in the air, he crumbles with fear of making a mistake… The good corners, the natural corners keep their cool when the ball is in their air, and they try to make a play on the ball…. When the ball is in the air, no matter how good marsh is covering the WR, he shows that he isn’t a natural CB….

      • Andy124

        What makes it weird though is how much positive press he was getting from practices.

        • GEAGLE

          It’s not even really weird,.. … Bad CBs FREEZE when the ball is in the air under the bright lights of games,..

          Marsh shows plenty of ability as a CB until the last moment when he has to defend the pass..I’m sure he turns Around and makes plenty of plays on the ball in practice..but when the bright lights come on, they freeze being on an island…. I’d bet he doesn’t have that problem at all In practice… Wouldn’t be surprised if he was one of those guys who are great practice players that can’t translate to live game action…
          ….
          Lol kind of funny tho…nas fans we were all lead to believe he was looking awesome and he finally got it together…we debated marsh all week! then the game comes and we watched a STONECOLD bum!!! Lol

          • Andy124

            Adding to that, playing against guys you know well, against plays you’ve seen a hundred times, and in a practice environment, there’s a comfort and confidence that doesn’t often carry over to the game. Without that confidence, you end up getting Marshed all game long.

          • GEAGLE

            Very true….. I don’t really pay attention to marsh when I catch live practices, but I’d bet he is one of those guys who is a practice all star, and just can’t carry it over to live action… Like you said, a lot of it is comfort… Nice and comfy in your practice environment he can play up to his abilities, bright lights come on and they freeze up

          • Media Mike

            CB version of Kelvin Benjamin

          • Andy124

            Yup

  • NinjaP

    Tommy what do you think about Marcus Smith becoming the heir apparent to Demeco instead of Cole?

    • GEAGLE

      There are positions for a reason.., Marcus is an outside linebacker, Demeco is an inside linebacker..
      ..
      What do you think about Jordan Mathews becoming the heir apparent to Shady McCoy?

      • NinjaP

        Right because a 3-4 OLB playing inside linebacker is a crazy concept. Not like Travis Long didn’t do that exactly this week.

        With the skillset Marcus has shown so far I think he could potentially be a good ILB with the size chip would covet at that position. I don’t think that’s a crazy thing to bring up.

        • Media Mike

          And I remember when Lawrence Timmons was too stupid to learn how to play OLB in the 3-4 so the Steelers moved him into the ILB spot that doesn’t make the calls on D so he could run to a spot that the other ILB told him to.

        • GEAGLE

          Marcus isn’t Travis Long…Travis long is a fringe player seeing if he can be an emergency ILB to add value to try and be worth making this roster. Lol eagles aren’t trying to make Long an ILB, just seeing if he can also wear that hat, in an emergency situation

          Btw, if you do have a talent who can become a great OLB AND a great ILB, you play him at OLB…why? It’s significantly more valued than ILB…

          OLB is one of the 3 most valued positions..,.just look how you always have to over draft OLBs because they come off the board quickly…. Just look how much money it costs to sign edge rushers,,, we seen Everson Griffin, an edge rusher who never has been a real NFL starter for extended periods of time, get 20millipj in GUARENTEED money in free agency…

          Marcus can grow into a quality OLB, so why would you want to move him to ILB?… It’s like if Nick FOles were capable of being a great TIght end,,, if you have a kid that can be a quality QB, why would you want to make him into a good tight end?

          ILB is demotion from OLB in terms of importance…

      • MCD

        This type of assault on his comment is what is so freaking frustrating about this board now. Just be civil. His opinion has merit, not all of yours do either btw. Yet, people don’t jump down your throat all day with some snarky comment.

  • GEAGLE

    jets are next…are we going to see Sanchez vs, Vick.. Or is Kinney and Barkley each getting to play a half?
    ..

    • Media Mike

      As always, I’d like to thank the Jets for having quite possibly the greatest fans alive. We need more of this here!

      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/sports/football/20fans.html?_r=0

    • Andy124

      I would guess Sanchez gets most of the first half. Barkley gets the 3rd and Kinney the 4th.

      • GEAGLE

        Be awesome to get a half of Vick vs, Sanchez…. That’s a lot of star power for a 4th PS game

        • Media Mike

          The only acceptable results of this game are a cut of Casey Matthews and Henery getting outkicked and cut as well.

          • Andy124

            No injuries. All that matters.

          • Media Mike

            Nobody important had better be playing to get injured. I’d dress Howie and Spadaro at a few DB positions if I needed to.

          • Andy124

            Second string guys are important and they will be playing.

          • Andy124

            Rookies too.

          • Media Mike

            I’m hoping they get even those guys out of there as fast as possible any really only give extended snaps to guys they plan on cutting. I want to see roster players 54 through 75 getting most of the snaps.

          • GEAGLE

            Same,.,. I mean, if they want to play second string OL, I’m fine with that..those guys don’t get called on unless a starter gets injured…

            But the second strong players at positions that we use in real games, like our second string DL of curry, Beau Allen who will be used in games, and guys like Jordan Mathews, Nolan Carroll… Get those guys out of the game ASAP… I would even prefer them not playing at all

          • Media Mike

            Yup. I’d love to see those guys you mentioned clowning with the starters after about one series. Let Square, Marsh, Casey Matthews, Carmichael, Keelan Thug Johnson, etc. all risk injury.

          • GEAGLE

            Lol and hide the players we want to stick on the practice squad… Give MOmah, Kruger and Villanueva like 5 snaps a piece

          • Andy124

            This isn’t our first time playing a 4th preseason game. How much did 2′s play last year? I honestly don’t remember.

          • GEAGLE

            This is probably the first time I have ever been excited or interested about a 4th preseason game… We had NO depth last year, doubt many of us paid attention to last years 4th game,, I don’t even remember it…

          • Baloophi

            Might get better results than Marsh and Carmichael…

            Also, you just know Smolenski wants to get in there and 2 gap…

          • Media Mike

            Sold

  • nopain23

    everyone is bagging on smith but mack considered by many the top pass rusher in the draft hasn’t exactly been lighting the world on fire.

    • Media Mike

      My only beef with Smith thus far was when he was taken a round / round .5 early. I love the potential and his work vs. the run has been correctly highlighted by Tommy. He’ll keep improving, but he won’t be an impact guy round one.

      As a side note, it wouldn’t shock me if Zimmer is intentionally hiding how he’s going to use Mack just so folks don’t get film on it. That dude knows how to get guys loose on D.

      • GEAGLE

        If we could have gotten smith in round 2, we would have waited til round two to draft him…. Dude the cardinals were going to take him with the next pick… The skins and cowboys would have raced to pick him ahead of us in round Two..

        If we could have gotten Jordan without trading for him, we would have
        ..
        If we could have gotten huff in round 4, we wouldn’t have taken him in round 3…

        Chip Kelly wanted to draft Hart with the top pick in round 4… Howie assured ship he didn’t need to be taken in the 4th and that he would still be on the board for us in the 5th…
        ..
        Need to understand that there will be times where their is a major discrepancy between how the mock community views a player, and how NFL personel people view a player…
        The smart draft media all heard rumblings that Marcus could go in round 1…. Personally, in my gut, I was worried the cowboys would draft him with the 15th pick…

        The eagles wanted Marcus! they believe they can turn him into a great OLB… If we wanted him, we had to take him when we did…

        Drives me crazy when people say we didn’t have to take him when we did, when in REALITY, we turned down more draft picks opting NOT to trade back with the Vikings because we didn’t think Marcus would still be available 6 draft spots later…

        How can people continue saying we didn’t have to draft Marcus at 26, when we had to turn down another trade back because we woud have lost him?

        Stop trusting Mel Kiper over NFL front offices..

        • Media Mike

          I was trusting more than Mel Kiper and not the league that does things like take Jaquann Jarrett in the 2nd round and Jon Harris in the first.

          • GEAGLE

            If we didn’t draft Marcus when we did, we probably get stuck desperately trying to trade to secure Demarcus Lawrence or Trent Murphy, who I’m happy landed in our division

          • Media Mike

            I guess we’ll never know, but I’ll always stick with my results on first-pick being the most accurate!

          • GEAGLE

            Figure Clowney, Mack, Barr, Dee ford all gone,,,

            You don’t take Marcus at 26, getting a serious OLB talent to grow becomes very difficult… Don’t see any better realistic options, I
            ..
            .. Eagles knew they were a year away for possibly losing Graham and Cole….would have been irresponsible to not draft a talented OLB to groom, so he can be ready to contribute on 2015 if we lose both predators… Sucks we couldn’t get Clowney… Could you imagine? All our problems would be solved … I have to avoid watching the texans due to jealousy…

          • Media Mike

            I like Marcus, I just liked him better with me trading down a few times, getting more picks, and still getting him later. I was the greatest mock-draft GM of all time.

          • GEAGLE

            Isn’t that what we did? Didn’t we get a 3rd rounder to move back and get Marcus?…don’t remember if we got a 3rd or a 4th but we got value We were offered chance to trade down again from the Vikings and get more value, but the Eagles knew Marcus wouldn’t be on the board if we traded back again….. That’s why it drives me insane when people say he was a first round reach… People can’t say that if in reality he wouldn’t have lasted til round 2 even if we weren’t interested in him….
            ….

          • 76mustang

            Finally, the real explanation – those mock-draft simulators are way off in their player rankings and not reflective of team draft boards. Geags is right, if the Eagles wanted Marcus, they had to take him where they did.

          • Media Mike

            But my point is that team draft boards are just as foolish. Mike Mitchell in the 2nd by the Raiders? The Bills taking EJ Manuel that early last year. The simulators / mocks are no better / worse in the long run than who some teams actually take.

          • 76mustang

            The point being is that you’re making the Eagles out to be one of those teams by saying they could have traded down again and gotten Smith. I think I’m going to trust the Eagles evaluation process over some programmer/blogger that builds a simulator by compiling other draftniks rankings and trade value charts to provide a make believe drafting experience. I think the simulations are fun as well, but never believe they reflect actuality other than by educated accident. Seriously, do you honestly believe Howie would have pulled the trigger on Marcus when he did if he thought he could get him later AND add another draft pick to boot? Remember, he and his staff have spoken with all the other GMs and scouting/personnel people behind the scenes, they’ve grouped players into tiers and ran simulations on how the board could fall and what decision they would make, they’ve lined up possible trade partners and modeled different team’s drafting strategy/history to put themselves in the best position possible come their turn. If you were given a scouting staff and millions of dollars to evaluate talent and set a draft board, I think you would have a stronger sense of what to expect than just using a mock draft simulator.

          • Media Mike

            The point is we’ll never know, but the expectations for what Smith has to produce are now set at first round draft pick level. Mike Mamula, rightly or wrongly, had to produce both at #7 level + that of Warren Sapp, for his entire career based on his draft position.

            I really like Smith as a potential good player, but the bar is now set at first round. I hope his play lives up to it.

          • 76mustang

            Expectations by whom, the coaching staff? Does Chip care what Les Bowen or Sal Palantonio or Brian Billick have to write or say when it comes to the development of a player? It’s like Chip said, the hype around the Draft is unbelievable – I think Chip and his staff do a great job insulating the players from undue outside influences that have nothing to do with helping a player grow and develop.

          • anon

            He destroyed the falcons — they didn’t eve play Watt. Is LJ back when we play the texans? If not it’s going to be a looooooong day.

          • Media Mike

            Clowney vs. Will Beaty when the Texans play the Giants. Bye bye Eli! Eli dies on Sept 21st!

    • GEAGLE

      Half the top rookies suck right now… Anything you get from a rookie is just a bonus…. Fans and media might say dumb shit about Marcus! but our coaches aren’t worried about it and they aren’t down on Marcus because he is struggling..

      Sammy Watkins been quiet
      Eric Ebron isn’t even close to being NFL ready
      Marquis Lee caught 3 passes for a total of 10 yard last night
      People bitch that Jordan isn’t TO reincarnated already but second round WR Devante Adams didn’t catch a single pass for the packers last night..
      ….
      People who rip rookies at this point in their development just show their stupidity/ignorance…

      It’s fair game to analyze how a kid is playing, but to make any negative judgments about a draft pick in August just shows stupidity

      • anon

        right or wrong theres a lot of pressure on rooks to perform, comes along with that $2m check. A guy like Marcus is different bc he’s not performing against backups. But its early hopefully he can put to together.

        • Andy124

          Do you not think he played well against Pitt?

          • anon

            Better but Pitt looked TERRIBLE so hard to judge you know? But i guess you can only play who is across from you. He’s baby barwin I shouldn’t expect otherwise.

  • GEAGLE

    What kind of sucks, is we are pretty in the dark about our deep reserves in the secondary.. As in, does anyone have any clue which of our defensive backs are showing practice squad potential? Anyone have any clue who has been better, Davon Morgan or Keelen Johnson for example?

    It’s easy to predict that we will want to get guys like Momah, Krugs, Villanueva on our practice squad, but really have no clue how our deep reserves in the secondary rank…. After Jalen Watkins, Roc and Marsh, I don’t even think I can name another corner back

    • Media Mike

      Keelan Johnson is a criminal thug who needs to be shown the door ASAP

      • GEAGLE

        I won’t miss him

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        do you kn ow what a thug is? seems like people like to throw that word around a lot.

        • Media Mike

          Use whatever word you like, causing problems with the security professionals working at a bar/club is horrific behavior and shouldn’t be tolerated. Continuing to do so with law enforcement is even worse. He’s criminal trash.

          • Bert’s Bells
          • Media Mike

            True!

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            security professionals? lmfao.. horrific? lmfao… you havent seen the real word yet ahve you

          • Media Mike

            You have no idea my friend. Zero clue. I worked in that business for 10+ years. I have every idea how the real world works.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            yeah, there def some loons out there.. but maybe.. you are part of problem most of the time? a lot of yall are very over zealous, and just want to push people around, yet u get mad when pushed back. Isnt that weird?

          • Media Mike

            No, we’re paid to keep order in an environment that needs it. Law enforcement, when responding to calls outside of bars / clubs, needs to do the same thing. The correct move of patrons, such as Johnson, is to shut up, follow instructions, and move it along to somewhere else.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Nah, yall need to do your job better. You guys need to learn tact, otherwise you act like an ahole, thats how you get treated. Just like police, they need to be better at dealing with people, all people. even aholes. There arent many jobs more important then a police officer, that means offcier need to held to a higher standar and accountability. you need to act better then the aholes. if not you have the wrong job. sorry bro.

          • Media Mike

            Well you certainly aren’t the arbitrator of that and neither is Johnson. There are compliance requirements that you need to observe when instructed to do something. Obey those, and you’d not be touched. That is how things are done. Get told to stop doing something, stop doing it. Get told you need to walk out and leave, then walk out and leave.

            Anything aggressive that might happen beyond that is a failure of compliance to reasonable instructions. If you feel you’ve been treated unreasonably, get a lawyer.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            I’m a lawyer!!

          • Media Mike

            Then I think you’d understand the law when it comes to what a business may or may not do in terms of refusal of service to a patron. The % of altercations in bars that result in charges vs. patrons as opposed to the % of altercations in bars that result in charges vs. staff completely undercuts your anti-security professional commentary.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            thats because police always side with the wannabe police..cmon now. Im a lawyer!!

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            and yes you are paid to keep order.. not create disorder. remember that. ;)

          • Bert’s Bells
          • Media Mike

            Sage level advice right there.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    Ima be pissed if they cut henry josey!! he outperformed his competition. of course idk about his STs ability. Just think it would be a mistake to cut him.

    • Media Mike

      Tough group at RB. There are five guys I like there. Josey included. All of Josey, Tucker, and Polk should be on this team.