Mystery Beside Mychal
Posted: January 29th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 283 Comments »Mychal Kendricks is a terrific ILB. He showed signs of greatness in 2014 and is the kind of player you want in the middle of your defense. For 2 1/2 years his partner in crime was DeMeco Ryans. Unfortunately Ryans tore his Achilles late in the 2014 season, leaving his future in doubt.
So what are the Eagles going to do at ILB in 2015?
This is a big mystery, in a few ways. The first question is whether Ryans returns. Chip Kelly and the coaches gushed about Ryans after the injury and made it sound like he was certain to return. But that was in-season talk. The offseason brings harsh reality to the front. Ryans will turn 31 in July. He has a high cap figure. And coming back from a serious injury isn’t a sure thing. Tim McManus has an update on the rehab.
Ryans was off the crutches and the scooter by the time the season wrapped. He says that the rehab process is following a similar trajectory as the first time around, and expects to make a full recovery once again.
“Oh yeah. I’ll be fine.”
Ryans tore his left Achilles tendon in mid-October, 2010 while with the Texans. He was cleared to return to action in mid-July, 2011, or nine months later.
Ryans participated in training camp and appeared in all 16 games in 2011. You can argue that he didn’t return to full form until the following season with the Eagles, however.
This injury happened in November. If you use the same time frame, Ryans might be on the field next spring/summer, but might not be at his best until the end of the season.
Everyone loves Ryans the person and the leader, but do the coaches really want him back? He’s aging, descending, expensive and coming off injury. Other than that…
If the coaches do want him, the first order of business would be getting him to take a pay cut. If his price comes down enough, bringing Ryans back might make a lot of sense. You could make him compete for his job. If he doesn’t win it, he would still have value as a leader and role player. That would be fine at the right price.
If the Eagles decide to move on from Ryans, they have the question of whether to go for a free agent or focus on the draft.
I haven’t studied the free agents super closely, but there are a few the team could consider. Brandon Spikes is probably the biggest name, but he’s painfully slow and at his best as a 2-down LB. I’m not sure Kelly would have interest in that. David Harris just turned 31 so age is a concern with him, but he’s played in the 3-4 and is a durable, productive player. The Bucs are reportedly set to let Mason Foster go. He’s young and talented, but isn’t an ideal fit for Lovie Smith’s defense. Foster might be a good fit in the 3-4. Kelly certainly knows him from their time in the Pac-12 (Foster played at Washington).
Rolando McClain might be the most interesting name. Some people laughed when Jerry Jones traded for him last spring, but McClain turned out to be a key player for the Dallas defense. Talent has never been a question with him. McClain is big, fast and skilled. He was just a major knucklehead in the past and wasn’t properly committed to football (or rational behavior). McClain did himself a lot of good this year. Are teams willing to give him a decent contract? There is another concern…concussions. Teams need to decide if McClain has any health risk or if he’s good to go. There is one interesting connection here. Ed Marynowitz knows McClain from their time at Bama together. McClain was already in school when Marynowitz got there so Ed didn’t recruit him, but they do know each other. It would seem Marynowitz saw McClain at his best, but you never know what went on behind the scenes.
Jimmy Bama has another possible ILB target.
Nate Irving, ILB, Broncos (6’1, 245)
After being a third round pick in 2011 (he’s 26), Irving got his first chance to start last year for Denver, but tore his MCL in the Broncos’ eighth game. He is a good run stuffer, but not an ideal three-down player. If DeMeco Ryans is not recovered well enough from his Achilles tear to produce on the Eagles’ D, Irving makes some sense as a temporary replacement. The Eagles would of course have to check him out medically, and be comfortable with his mental ability to make checks at the line of scrimmage.
Two other names to consider would be Sean Weatherspoon and Bruce Carter. Weatherspoon missed the whole year due to injury and missed half the previous season. Major talent, but major risk. Carter is more of a 4-3 WLB, but he is a dynamic athlete.
If the Eagles decided to go for a free agent, they will have options.
The draft also has some options. Should Kelly think that’s the way to go, there are some more questions. Just how much does Kelly value ILB? What is he looking for?
There were reports the Eagles really wanted CJ Mosley last year. He ended up going 17th and was a star for the Ravens. Ryan Shazier went to the Steelers at 15. It was rumored that the Eagles had interest in him, but that was less certain than the interest in Mosley. It does sound like the Eagles would have been willing to spend a 1st round pick on an ILB.
The Eagles have some interesting players to choose from this year. Erick Kendricks is a terrific all-around ILB who could go in the Top 20. Paul Dawson is smaller, but is a terrific athlete and has excellent cover skills. Denzel Perryman is the heaviest and least athletic of the trio, but he’s also the hardest hitter. Does Chip prefer someone who can run sideline to sideline or who is a thumper?
I prefer Kendricks or Dawson in that trio. I see the value in having speed in the middle of the field. These are not the only 3 guys in the draft, but they are my top ILB targets and they divide up nicely as you talk about size and skill sets.
In a fantasy world you would have Ryans take a big pay cut and then you would draft an ILB early. If the rookie wins the job, so be it. If not, Ryans can get you through the 2015 season.
The Eagles will have Najee Goode coming off injury. I don’t know that he’ll challenge for a starting spot, but he’s good depth. Casey Matthews is a free agent. He did play okay late in the season, but didn’t show me enough that I’m all that interested in bringing him back. Emmanuel Acho has shown flashes, but looks like a backup and STer.
I have gotten a few questions about moving players. Could Trent Cole shift to ILB? Connor Barwin? I think both players are made to stay on the edge. Cole has the toughness to play inside, but isn’t good enough in space. Barwin is a better athlete, but is still better coming off the edge. The OLB with the best ILB potential is Marcus Smith. He is a terrific athlete and could handle playing inside from a talent/skill standpoint.
Finally, there is Travis Long. He played OLB and ILB last summer. I don’t think the Eagles will count on him for anything since he’s coming off a major injury (and the 2nd in 3 years), but Long could end up as good depth and a swing LB for ILB and OLB.
If the Eagles don’t keep Ryans, ILB becomes a priority position. Even if they do keep him, it is important to add a young, talented player with starting potential.
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Jimmy Bama has his own take on the ILB position.
yeah i dont agree with this entire article…
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Meco and Casey will be back, no free agent will be added, and since Kendricks is almost entering his second contract and its a spectacular ILB draft, the eagles will look to the draft for their ILB upgrade, and Casey and Meco will be mentors and place holders til the kid we draft is ready to start…we will want a draft pick to take this position in the near future, so they wont invest in a free agent as a stop gap, just to be a slight temporary upgrade to stop gaps Meco and Casey…. people need to get it thru their heads that certain positions we want to get “YOUNGER”.. and upgrade these positions with draft picks.. now when this happens, the eagles dont Fuck without a condom, so they will have capable stop gap place holders that can temporarily start if the rookie takes some time to grow into the starting role… when we want to go young, and have a veteran as our “Parachute”(stop gap), the eagles wont piss away current capable veterans who can be a temporarily stop gap, so they can give a signing bonus to a free agent so he can be a slight temporary upgrade.. the free agent might be a little better, but the current player will know the defense, it averages out and makes upgrading your stop gap players foolish and unrealistic…. meco and Casey will be back, but as stop gaps.we will draft an ILB and root for him to take their starting spot…. we aint paying so thatr a free agent can play 4 games until the rookie is ready to take over
reality of the offseason? lol give me a break…. im more interested in the reality that our coach is obsessed with building a strong culture, Mufasa is by far the most respected in our locker room, chip isnt going to take a piss all over the culture he obsessively built…and chip wont want to lose Casey Mathews, great ST player, can QB the defense if need be, can also back up OLB if desperate..
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we also have this promising young man named Najee Goode, may have heard of him. getting injured doesnt automatically mean we throw him in the trash
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ILB position will be filled with a bunch of familiar faces, and 1 new rookie ILB… no way they invest in a free agent, not with this ILB draft class. casey and Meco are capable stop gaps til the rookie is ready to take over.. we wont throw money at a temporary upgrade
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bad teams with cap problems cut the team leader who still as two years in him in a smaller role/mentor
I agree about Najee Goode I’m very high on him. He’s a hitter and ferocious at the LOS too if asked to rush, has exceptional athleticism and is smart enough to man the defense, was a clear leader in college at Virginia. Sucks he went down early cause I wanted to see what he could do long term if the situation needed it at any point and it did. I’m sure the coaches wanted to see him too. We had so many injuries to our backers in the beginning, Travis Long too who Kelly seems to love. I think we have some capable players.
i was very excited about Travis when we first got him, but the injuries are starting to pile up, at what point will he no longer be the same athlete?
I was thinking the same, it’s not boding well for him here. And I really like him as a player too. And Kelly likes him as a person and his versatility as a player but if he keeps getting injured especially if it’s below the waist, you wonder how well he can perform athletically. Maclin seemed to lose a step after his latest injury if you look at his earlier tape compared to his newer tape, was still effective obviously but he used to look like a bullet out there.
draft erik kendricks, bring back Mykal, Meco, Casey, Goode…problem solved, and it wont cost some silly free agent investment
S/t boost too!
From roster building stand point, its important to factor in two things if you want to even have a slight chance to accurately predict what the eagles will do… two things that must be factored into the offseason equation:
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1) How much money total is being spent on a position.. sure howie has broken down the roster to show roughly how much money we can invest in each position(starters and back ups combined).. cant pay for 4 free agents at a certain position, you will want a balance of expensive free agent and cheaper rookie contracts
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2) at each position we will want a nice balance between veterans and young players being groomed by the veterans.. for example, eagles dont have a single young outside CB on the roster, so you can bet they would rather add a rookie at CB, then to add a 3rd or 4th veteran CB… on the other hand the eagles have Jaylen watkins, ed reynolds, the kid from the Lions, Earl Wolff so we have some youth at safety, so there is rook to replace Nate with a veteran if we choose… but we also have Maragos and Jenkins, so safety is a position we have the freedom of adding a rookie or a veteran…
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when building the roster we will always try to look for a certain balance of Youth and Veteran leadership at each position, as well as rough estimates on how much money we should be spending on each position. if you pump more money into a certain position, you will have to take that money away from another position…. cant just look at mock offseason by just adding the best players we see available at each position… there is a certain roster balance each roster architect is striving for…
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That all makes sense, the problem is we don’t know much about Chip and his unnamed GM as roster builders. Chip has a way of bucking convention, for better or for worse. I’m sort of just sitting back, going to be prepared to scratch my head, then give him the benefit of a few years to see how it all turns out.
this isnt chips first rodeo… a college coach is more euipped than an NFL coach IMO to build a roster… college coaches function as Coach, head scout and GM…not to mention chip has been a pro for two years now, and you can bet we have a blueprint that he has seen for how much we can spend on each position if we want to remain in a good cap position…
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building a college team isnt much different, im sure college coaches care about getting a proper mix of youth and veteran at each position, veterans teach the young players to eventually take their job…. chip is also smart enough to know what he doesant know, so you can bet he will have been studying the intricacies of NFL roster building…. chip can be unconvential, but not if he wants to continue to enjoy cap flexability and a healthy cap.. im sure he noticed the importance of the good that howie does in mapping out the cap blue print
All I know is Howie did things in a conventional way that made a ton of sense to me and used his knowledge of league convention to keep us from using a 3rd round pick on a guy we ended up getting in the 5th, and Howie was getting in the way and is now out of the way. So I’m buckled up.
Man that example is just getting KILLED around here… what about him wanting to take the POPE in the first round… i think everyone would have been happy about that and who knows what round twos selection would have been? Howie told him no he will be there in the 2nd which he was but who did we miss out on? (not hating on MS, just hate this example time after time) get some new material..
wait wait wait, are we lamenting that we had J Matt and a 1st round pick instead of Jmatt and a second round pick? All I’m trying to say is Chip is Staff Sergeant Dignam, and I am not calling him a C*** (refresh)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLnDjoQISAM
not a fan of the example.. i guess its valid.. its just boring and old news to me..
fair concerns for sure…
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but chip has witnessed first hand how if not for howie he would have drafted a kid two rounds earlier than where we got him… because THAT happened already, i assume chip is smart enough to know what he doesnt know, and make sure he has someone to lean on that specializes in the aspect of the front office that chip isnt an expert in…
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if chip hadnt experienced howie saving him from the mistake of drafting a kid two rounds early, i would be more worried. i assume that experience taught chip that he needs someone that will know the draft board and know how long we can wait to still get the player we want
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also, we are assuming HOWIE was the one who set the entire draft board, im sure the people under howie had a hand in helping howie set our draft board and gether intel to know who each team is interested in.. howies underlings are still in our front office.. im sure they helped howie alot, so chip still has access to people who have helped howie and who have learned from howie..
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of course this is all assuming that howie wont help our front office… no one knows for sure if howie will be helping chip or not come draft time
No money issues also no trades no fas. Good at talent evaluation I’m assuming.
Watkins is a corner according to Eagles’ roster. I know he can play safety, but they call him a CB.
they have to call him something… he practiced at CB, Safety and slot corner in practice…. thats a VERY SMART rookie to be practicing at 3 different positions his rookie year.
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if i had to bet on which position he will predominantly play, it would be replacing Nolan as our dime corner… Nolan starts on the outside, Jaylen slides inside…. however, he will compete at safety because thats his best chance for a starting position…doubt we ever start him outside corner unless injuries pile up
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but we’ll see
Ed Marynowitz named VP of player personnel per multiple reports.
told you two weeks ago i heard this was all a intel gathering sham and in the end it would be Marynowitz… believe me yet? tom didnt believe me lol
Who knows, maybe Chip wanted someone else and couldn’t get him.
I don’t care as long as the organization knows what they are doing,
i was told explicitly… “in the end, it would be Marynowitz”
uh huh
who told you explicitly? you always have these lines.. tell us the SOURCE… haha well played sir.
does it matter as long as its accurate? blame it on the voices in my head for all i care lol
Don’t forget our bet about the Eagles snagging IFO, it will happen lol
yeah when you find out he is really 5’8 at the combine lets see how confident you feel 🙂
Still taller than Sproles ! lol
Maybe chip thought he would grow taller when he recruited him Talent can trump size
we recently made BG a new contract offer, assume he is mulling it over now, and sometime between friday and next wednesday we will hear something about BG situation..either he accepts the 2nd offer, or it doesnt look good that we will keep him… either way something should be reported by the middle of next week 🙂 just watch,….
nice little info nugget.. thx
What is BG? Strictly a sub package pass rushing DE? Or could be replace Cole? I think that is a big question.
Interesting those talks were silent during senior bowl. Wonder if his offer is related to the talent Kelly saw last week
so Chip gets his guy.
by all accounts a smart, intelligent and thoughtful guy.
but no question who’s in charge.
PFF reporting Marynowitz is our personnel guy.
‘BREAKING: Ed Marynowitz to be Named Chip Kelly’s Personnel Chief’ via FanSided Android
http://section215.com/2015/01/29/breaking-ed-marynowitz-named-chip-kellys-gm/
tom said yesterday “he heard the eagles didnt want marynowitz”… i heard different lol
Thought it said personnel chef lol
John Middlekauff @JohnMiddlekauff 21m21 minutes ago
No brainer hire from day 1 @ProFootballTalk: Eagles are expected to promote Ed Marynowitz as Chip Kelly’s personnel executive
Geoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN 13m13 minutes ago
Marynowitz seemed like logical choice for Chip. Great relationship w/him. Respected in league circles. Experience still hurdle though.
Adam Caplan @caplannfl 13m13 minutes ago
#Eagles named Ed Marynowitz VP of player personnel. Excellent decision by CK.
Les Bowen @LesBowen 13m13 minutes ago
Marynowitz, former LaSalle QB, is the guy most of us thought would get the job initially, before the team started interviewing hither & yon.
Geoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN 12m12 minutes ago
Chip: ” I spoke with a lot of people outside of our organization over the past few weeks and in the end, Ed was the most impressive.”
Jimmy Kempski @JimmyKempski 7m7 minutes ago
I’ve only spoken with Marynowitz a couple times, but my impression has always been that he is a sharp dude.
Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL 2m2 minutes ago
New Eagles Personnel Exec Ed Marynowitz is a stud. Dealt with him for @gobigrecruiting when he was at Bama. Immediately impressed.
good thing Jimmy thinks he’s a sharp guy….lmao…
I was feeling good about Marynowitz until I saw Ross Tucker liked him. As long as Heath Sherman doesn’t start singing his praises, I’ll give Marynowitz the benefit of the doubt.
What do you have against Heath Sherman (former Eagles rb)? Do you mean Heath Evans (idiot on th nfl network)?
Yeah, that former Patriots FB who obviously banged his head one too many times.
Just tell it like it is, no one else decent was available. But I’m glad to see a guy get promoted. Though it’s a bit back handed because they exhausted the market.
Why would guys like Ross Tucker and and Middlekauf speak so highly of him if he wasnt a great hire?
I think he probably is very good. And clearly the position is mainly college scouting. But if they really loved him, like really, they wouldn’t have just promoted him instead of going on a month long search interviewing 10 guys.
lol fire alarm in Patriots hotel went off at 2am… cant help but imagine richard sherman going on a covert, black ops mission, sneaking out of his hotel at 2am, to go screw with the defaltRIOTS
Where was it the the Eagles got the same treatment? Was it Arizona?
SF
san fran.. even worse cuz we were adjusting to different time zone
bleck, bringing back bad memories of all these games we should have won
LOL WHO KNOWS, if we werent woken up and were able to get a normal nights sleep maybe we gain that extra yard and win the game? bwahahhahahahah thats some serious excuse making right there…
Could be wrong, but I remember something like that happening to Falcons in Philadelphia before the 2004 NFCCG.
while the media was spinning this as no one wanting to work for the eagles, i do believe maryhnowitz was always their guy..
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often when front office people need to be hired, some profession franchise use that as an opportunity for Data collection, interviewing people from other franchises across the league. use it as an excuse to familiarize themselves with young up and comers league wide, maybe get ideas of how their current franchises operate… if we know we wanted Marynowitz all along, and that he would be available? why hire him immediately when you can use this as an opportunity to talk to and get aquainted with all the upcoming personel guys league wide?
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so while those simpletons in the media were equating not announcing a hiring with “no one wanting to work for the eagles LOL laughable), chip was just using this down period for a data collection excursion.. never know when another opening in our front office will be available, good idea to get to know some of the future GMs around the league, but i dont expect the media to have a clue… its easier to assume no one wants to work here
Props to you! You have said it all along.
Well, Jimmy K had the DJax situation, McManus had the Howie-CK-Gamble problems. Long before it was made public by the Eagles or other beat writers.
I’m not saying those guys are perfect, but sometimes, they are right. Sometimes. 🙂
yay lets give them around of applause for their 20% accuracy rate…. you know what i think of when i think of McManus? dude who after a tough playoff loss asked Desean if he wanted a new contract. Sheil has been carrying him for years…
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McManus analysis last year going into arizona game: “I got the eagles losing this week, law of averages say they cant possibly win”… awesome analysis, thanks for that… lol
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please dont speak to me about kempski, i go out of my way to not hear or see anything he says…
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elliot shor parks how ever is such a clown, that i want to know EVERYTHING that court jester says lol
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there is a woman amongst the beat reporters at novacare, i dont know her name or who she works for, this was the first year i noticed her, but she did a spectacular job this year of covering the eagles, great informative questions, no BS, no trashy tabloid crap, thats who im interested in praising..
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or a guy like Matt Lombardo, who isnt as well known as the other media members, but one of the few that has understood the eagles since Chip was hired… out of all the media monkeys he was like the only one who wasnt convincing his fans that foles would be traded because he couldnt run fast enough to play for chip kelly…. thats whos opinion i would be interested in hearing..
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sheil Kapadia is about as responsible as it gets, dude never played a day of footbvall but he cares enough to continuosly educate himself on this game.. his acumen growing was evident each year… thats who im interested in hearing…
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I cant appreciate someone getting something right, when they are typically polluting fanbases brains with false info…
I care about the percentage of time a beat reporter makes thousands and thousands of eagles fans convinced about something that is the furthest thing from the truth, irresponsible reporting…. i prefer a guy like Sheil who wont pretend he knows everything. if he tells you something, good chance its accurate and its not going to steer you in the wrong direction…as opposed to Parks who the majority of the time is making his readers dumber and dumber, running ariound convinced of some bullshit fairytale narrative that Elliot put in their heads because his “source” doesnt respect him, and used the clown as he is to leak counter intel lol
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elliot shor parks, the king of sources who never turn out to be right…court jester
So, we should just give you credit for everything instead? I don’t know why it’s so hard for you to give people credit when you seem to need it so much yourself.
didnt i just give credit to sheil, matt lombardo, the lady at novacare.
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if i genuinly view someone as a hack, why do you want me to lie to you? i rarely get anything out of them….why the fuck are you so concerned with me,i can assure you i wont be reading or responding to your posts, hopefully you do the same… this is the 3rd time you are on my nuts, concerned with my business… i was polite above, now you can fuck off
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plenty other donkey trash on this site, go play with someone on your same wave length
Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane 3m3 minutes ago
Now the real question: Can Roseman and Marynowitz work together? There is a divide there as well and he will often have to be go-between.
I’m not sure that makes any sense at all. Is that hinting the Roseman will sabotage the Eagles via contracts? Otherwise — the two are in two completely different sections of the business…
Roseman used to be Marynowitz’ boss.
Now they are, at best, peers.
So lets say Chip/Marynowitz really want to bring back Maclin at something like $10 MM per year.
And Howie says: “No way, that’s crazy, it will kill our cap, we’d be better off letting him go if thats his value on the open market.”
How does that situation play out?
As long as Howie has cap/contract responsibility, all 3 of those guys will have to learn to work together.
so you are saying Howie will sabotage. If Howie has sour grapes, he’ll leave. He’d be hired in seconds. Chip/Mary get the players. If there’s signing/cap issues that’s with the players n players reps.
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Personally, I don’t see Howie staying long term. Nobody likes to be demoted. Once the “here’s more money” wears off he’ll start looking…
not saying he’ll “sabotage” anything. just that there could be conflict.
I agree with Ronin. It’s not what you think goes on…
I don’t think there will be that type of melodramatic conflict. I think Marynowitz, being under Chip, will probably not be involved in player contract and salary cap decisions. My impression from what was reported years ago when Banner was here is that the Eagles top brass (Kelly, Roseman, Lurie and Smolenski) meet to go over the cap and all come to agreement on how to allocate cap space to position groupings and certain players within the groupings. So for example if 25% of the cap is allocated to WRs they will have a predetermined range in which to re-sign Maclin, and they’ll be in agreement.
this bugs me a little “There were reports the Eagles really wanted CJ Mosley last year.” — if you really really want a guy — make it happen. If that sentence is true of course. He wasn’t out of the realm of moving up. I know, easier said then done … but if you’re really that high on somebody — get him…
How high do you move up? Did anyone know for sure prior to the draft that the Ravens would pick Mosely at 17? What if someone took him before that? What is there was one player the Ravens liked better that dropped to them at 17 and Mosely would have dropped to 20?
It’s easy to say “If you want a guy, make it happen,” but it doesn’t always work out that way.
By all accounts the Eagles has six guys they really liked last year and they thought one of them would still be available at pick 20. As it turns out, they were wrong.
They also didn’t have much ammo to move around.
That’s as ludicrous as Bill Barber’s old coaching style. The solution to everything was “work harder”. Bold words that don’t really mean anything in reality.
WR coach decides to stay and not be an OC? That’s hilarious. Just say he didn’t get the job and be done with it.
hahaha
Nick is gonna be traded for sure:
Howard Eskin @howardeskin 7m7 minutes ago
Had Typo . Fixed. Hangin w Nick Foles ,I told him he’s NOT getting traded. End of story. @FOX29philly @Eagles #eagles
Wow didn’t know Eskin was the VP of Player Personnel. I hope Marynowitz isn’t mad. /s
Just as an aside, not a fan of Eskin.
seahawks have started extension talks with Byron Maxwell… yall better hope devin McCourty hits the market…..bye bye maxwell
Why not paying money for a FA CB this year??? It’s not like the Eagles will have much money next off season when re-signing Foleszss to a 8 year, $130m contract… 😉
the eagles dont just look at a need and throw money at the best option.. we dont care how big the need is, if its not a perfect fit in every way possible, like jenkins and Barwin, we wont sign anyone.
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im telling you we havent seen Nolans best yet, he will be an upgrade on the outside next year, and this free agent corner market sucks.. i think the corners that the Eagles would deem a “fit”, wont be significant upgrades to the corners we have now, so the eagles wont piss on continuity, cut two players that know our defense, for a marginal upgrade… no matter what happens in free agency, hte eagles will want to draft outside corners, because we have NO YOUTH at the position… so if we have to spend picks on a corner anyway, and the upgrades available are marginal at best, the eagles wont spend money on change for the sake of change….. for example, do you really give a shit if the eagles sign Davon House to replace Cary Williams? probably not, so whats the point?
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maxwell wont hit the market, we wont have any interest in Cromartie and his 17 baby mamas, and kareem Jackson will get more money then we will think he is worth…. so most likely we draft corners, pencil in Cary and Nolan on the outside in september, and pray the the rookies we draft are ready to replace them ASAP…
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but we have youth at safety, so we can add a veteran to replace Nate at safety. Heck, if we replaced Nate with a good safety this year, whats that 8 X plays less? thats a big difference…. i assume we will think the corner upgrades that fit us will be marginal, and that with much improved safety, we can get away with these corners until our rookie corners are ready…
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the only positive, is Nolan Carroll is a much better outside corner than we think right now… this is carys last year in philly, hopefully we draft the rare corner that can instantly transition to the NFL and Immediately take Carys spot…… basically we want to upgrade the outside corners with young players, the only reason we will have Cary and Nolan is cause we arent dumb enough to assume that the corners we draft will be ready to start in september, so there is no point cutting our stop gaps Cary and Nolan, pay signing bonus for two new outside corners just to baby sit the position til the rookie is ready to take over…. the coaches will be rooting for the corners we draft to take the veterans spot…we arent going to go throw money at veterans who our coaches want to lose the CB battle anyway…
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pay for safety help, draft your outside corners
IF we CANT land a significant safety upgrade in Free agency, Im not sure what plan B or C will be…
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if we cant get a safety, maybe we view the corner position different.. but chip wont make moves for the sake of moves, so if we cant get a safety maybe a mid tier corner like Davon house is added, try to get a Rahim Moore type safety(but he has given up some big X plays in bad moments),… Its a TERRIBLE free agent market to have the secondary needs we have…
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hopefully dashon Goldson and some other DBs we arent expecting get cut and become available..
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Sexy Maxy is a perfect fit…IF he hits the open market.
Do. Not. Want. Goldson.
i barely seen Goldson play since he left the niners… no clue where his game is at these days… last i emember he hired a tackling coach like a year ago…only time i see Tampa is when Nick Foles is carving them up
I haven’t seen much of him either. I only remember him getting flagged for hitting defenseless receivers.
lol well becoming more discaplined in the secondary has to be a major priority, as well as ball skills, starting to play the ball, not give up X plays
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as flawed as our secondary was this year, just imagine if we could rewind the season, subtract Nate and stick McCourty next to Jenkins…how many X plays did Nate give him? if McCourty allows 5-7 less X plays then Nate, it would have made a huge difference….and im sure he would provide more of an upgrade then that,…
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two good safeties would help the corners a ton… also, i would love to add Danny Shelton or whatever front 7 upgrade because an improved front 7 can help the corners… and improved front 7 against the run, means we can leave our safeties in coverage and consistently shut down the run with our front 7 and leave both safeties in coverage.. if the pass rush improves obviously WRs have less time to get free from our corners…
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so even if Cary and Nolan arent probowlers, if we can make a significant safety upgrade, and improve the front 7 to where the safeties can focus on helping the corners and not worry about stopping the run, our defense can make some big improvement, and hopefully the corners we draft grow into much better players than Cary and Nolan, and hopefully they transition quickly to the NFL game.
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if Maxwell doesnt hit the open Market, I will be heartbroken if the Patriots extend McCourty
curious to see if AP is going to shift the balance of power this offseason, for example, AP with the Cardinals defense would be scary. AP on the Lions would be scary. AP on the colts, AP on the Falcons….
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be awesome if he signs with an AFC team
AP on the Cowboys. …
that would make me sick to my stomach, especially if they are smart enough to get greedy and draft another quality OL..luckily the prob forced to spend a first round pick on DL
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AP going to tampa could be a problem too…. hope he ends up in the AFC and take Demarco with him…go sign with miami or something
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if Bellichek gets AP im boycotting the season lol
would love AP on the Bills. AP and that D could start giving the Pats some trouble.
That sounds like the best possible outcome. Make it happen.
yeah that would be pretty cool… I like it. Rex doesnt care about offense, he will just let AP carry the ball like 40 times a game and run him into the floor worst than Wanstead did to Ricky Williams lol
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speaking of Dave Wanstead, he is often McNabbs partner on fox sports one… i dont know if i can think of an analyst pairing that i would hate more than those two…. Fox sports one can be great, but its cheesy at the moment, they need a new executive to clean it all up…. and make it less cheesy with cheese balls like Mcnabb
apparently AP at home is scary too if your a 4 year old
For some reason this european sports channel I have is showing the 49’er-ravens superbowl. And for some reason I just saw Cary Williams drop into zone coverage, read the routes, pass on his man, come across to the sideline and make a very athletic pass breakup in the endzone over the head of Ted Ginn Jr. He is essentially pretty solid in this game. I know 49’er WRs weren’t world beaters or anything, but this makes me wonder if Cary would do better playing more zone/off for us? Have we ever really discussed this?
Cary wil be back next year, he is better than this city gives credit for…we hate his mouth and his dumb penalties, but if Cary goes to play at Seattle he would be pretty solid with great safety help and refs allowing him to be physical like they allow Sherman and Maxwell. Cary has made some big plays for us… think about the lockdown coverage of Dez Bryant on that two point conversion last year to win the game that got us in the playoffs…
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also most of the time Cary is on Nate Allens side…. Stick a safety like McCourty behind Cary and i bet he would hold up just fine/…
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forget tha superbowl go watch the playoff games leading up to that superbowl… Brady and Manning both tried to pick on Cary and he sent both QBs home while advancing to the superbowl
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im thinking we try to extend cary, give him a new two year deal that lowers his cap number, but we are going to draft a corner in the top 100 to replace him, so even if Cary gets a new two year deal, i still would assume this is his last year in philly… no way getting around us drafting two corners.
Cary will only be back if he takes a pay cut, which is not a certainty.
not a pay cut….an “extension” cough cough, new two year deal that just so happens to lower his cap figure and allow us to void the 2nd season lol….thats what i assume our front office is fighting for, whether Cary accepts it or not is a different story.
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he is a family man, im sure he wont be thrilled about moving his kids again if he doesnt have to..he is also tight with our defenders, i laughed when old man/family man Cary went to mississippi for the week with Curry, BG and Cox for Fletchers football camp
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but you are right that you never really know what Cary is thinking so who knows… now that Marynowitz is officially hope we start banging out extensions and restructuring
My re-structuring priorities:
1. Trent Cole (becomes obsolete in case we keep BG instead)
2. Demeco
3. Cary W.
4. The Toddfather
5. James Casey
total agreement….. Cary is the only one that might be a problem since his mouth is unpredictable.. demeco, Cole, Casey, Todd will know the reality of the situation and play ball contractually, and work something out
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i would extend Maclin and Casey Mathews…. we are going to draft a quality ILB. Casey is as good as it gets for depth, come in and QB the defense, wont make an issue out of not starting, quality special team player
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keep Meco, Mathews, maybe Goode
and the two Kendrick Brothers, or Mykal and another talented ILB we draft…wonder If Casey eventually takes Celeks role, maybe not this year, but the year after… Celeks body isnt going to be able to withstand too many more season as physical as he plays
Ya I was never of the opinion that they had to get rid of him. You just can’t roll in 3 veteran free agent DB’s who are all above average, without complicating the cap, and you cant expect to draft them all in one draft either. Out of Allen, Williams and Fletcher I think Williams has been the most solid on the field and they will need to keep him for continuity while signing a FA and drafting another DB high. An extension with a lower cap would be the best solution to all of this.
What I was thinking though was the use of his natural abilities. Watching how he did with the ravens it just seems to me that he has not played up to his full potential here with us. Some of that could be due to coaching, some to scheme. And some, obviously, to effort on his part. Now that ous DB coaches has been replaced that could tell us how Chip is thinking about all of this. But I still wonder about scheme. Cary is a big corner without great speed. Isn’t he better suited to play zone than man?
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Darren DeGaetano @DarrenDegaetano 2h2 hours ago
I am told the #Eagles are targeting Titans QB Jake Locker to compete with Nick Foles for the starting QB position.
Matt Moore would also be interesting.
Wouldn’t mind Locker as a veteran backup at all!
and who is going to back up locker?
Barkley, so great chance we see him start at least 1 game next season
Be nice if he played better so we can get a late rounder for him, but i don’t even think we’re going to get a hundley type.
maybe barkley isn’t so bad
I think if we get another vet QB we might as well move on
Probably, but if you’re down to third string QB, you’re going to lose most of the games anyway. Why not have Barkley lose them on rookie contract?
That wasnt my point, my point is that both Locker and Foles cant stay healthy
I don’t buy into the idea that some players are more injury prone that others. In an NFL environment, every single player is constantly injured. If we’re talking something chronic like what’s left of the tendons in Polk’s shoulder, sure–He’s “injury prone”. If we’re talking about concussions and a collar bone break? Those are just going to happen regardless of the player’s injury history.
Then why do you have a guys like Favre and Mannings that can play forever and not miss a game and then you have Jake Locker who keeps breaking things?
Fact is people have different bone density, recovery speed, some have more elastic tendons etc.
Barkleyzzzzz
wow marshawn Lynch live putting the media in his place. lol this is awesome. Love that dude..
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i wish les bowan, zack berman, elliot the joke Parks, McLane, Mosher had to try and interview Lynch LOL
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instant classic as far as press conferences go
His pressers are a timeless classics.
Lynch’s ongoing game with the media is ridiculous. If he really didn’t want to deal with them, he wouldn’t create such a circus. And frankly, when you sign a contract that essentially says, “here are your job duties, and dealing with the media is among them”, then suck it up and deal with them. If he doesn’t like the terms of his agreement, he’s welcome to find work in another field. While I think the media can be ridiculous at times, he’s really the fool in all this.
I can’t think of another profession where someone can so willfully not perform their job duties and still keep their job. I have zero sympathy for Lynch’s plight. Even the notion that “talking to the media” is a such a freaking burden angers me.
“I can’t think of another profession where someone can so willfully not perform their job duties and still keep their job.” Every single profession when you are valuable to the organization.
I’ts not just a game, he’s put his money where his mouth is — i think the league is a little crazy, especially given it’s uneven application of the rules.
If he were really protesting the media, he would just not show up. And still get fined. It’s the little show he puts on that is annoying. Not because of the show itself, but because of the hypocrisy of it. Protesting against the media and overexposure by overexposing yourself through the media is not, in my eyes, the heroic act he’s making it out to be.
If he wasn’t Marshawn, and SEA wasn’t seattle it wouldn’t matter. No one cared prior to last year. But the league has the media lock-up b/c it’s $$ to them. And i think we’re seeing people testing the limits of the rule. Those fines are no joke (b/c the money to the league is no joke)
i loved most of what he said today… when a media member asked him to talk about his charity work that he does at inner cities, he wouldnt answer him there, but he told him to show up and join him at one of his inner cities event and will give him the story when the reporter goes out of his way to report something meaningful…the reporter appreciated it and told him he would hold him to it….. i can respect that……
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I despise our media, could you imagine if Les Bowan and Elliot shor Parker were trying to ask me questions every day when i have no respect whatsower for them and the hack work they do, i would probably give them less then these idiots get from Marshawn
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Beastmode wlil do interviews, he just wont be part of the circus.. you want to be responsible journalist and not talk to him to make a circus he wlil respect you and work with you…. i can respect that…. if he shows up and doesnt want to answer questions, what are you gonna do? no man should be forced to say anything he didnt want to say….
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where Beastmode makes a mistake is all the money he is allowing the league to take from him, go see a doctor, give him a thousand dollars get him to diagnose you with severe anti social disorder, and smack goodell with the Doctor note, and stop letting that scumbag goodell take your money
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if todays media is going to be irresponsible and twist things and make things about the majority of the time, i can understand why someone wouldnt give a hack like lliot shor parker anything for him to twist around and sensationalize
seems like chip likes Les.
as long as that weasle goodell is allowed to hide from ther media and a nation that has been demanding answers for his slimyness all year I hope every player in the NFL openly defies him.
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the great proector of the sheild has been cricifying players for years yet NO PLAYER has damaged the sheild as much as this piece of shit weasle has, and he is allowed to lie or hide for an entire season? good for Marshawn Lynch. hope every player defies goodell until he is held accountable
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the League forced these players to talk because they say that fans deserve to hear them since we pay their salaries and buy their jerseys, yet an entire nation demands answers to goodell and he hides and does nothing but lie for a year…dont fans deserve to get answers from him just like we deserve them for Lynch? Goodell made 30 million last year, what did Lynch make? 5 mil?> yet Goodell can shit on the sheild and he doesant owe anyone any explanation?> GTFO here
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why should i care that Lynch’s fans dont get to hear from him? what about eagles fans and our rights? front office has a major power struggle and our coach doesnt have to say a word of us til when March? last offseason eagles pissed away a fan favorite pro bowl player in his prime and no one owed us any explanation… we didnt hear anything from chip, roseman, lurie…we were left with no answers for months,….. yet Beastmode is forced to talk?
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when Roger Goodell is held accountable let me know… he made more money than every player in the NFL last year and he is allowed to shit on the sheild and crucify players for doing less harm then he ever has…
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Goodell drops the hammer on who he wants, yet him and the Patriots and certain people he likes like Craft get away with everything… fuck that. Go Marshawn!!
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and screw the hack Media who asks him 29 questions knowing he will give the same answer… if the man doesnt want to say something, you are just prodding him like an animal in a cage continuing to ask 27 more questions for no reason…as long as goodell can open;ly lie and insult our intelligence or hide and avoid answering to serious issues, i hope every player defies him
They should fine him for not talking to the media.
RIGHT! when Goodell fines himself, ill hold Lynch accountable…
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Goodell made 30 million dollars, but he doesnt owe the fans any answers?
Where to start. First, you should know that it’s not true that the more emotional and upset you get about a topic, the stronger your argument. So there’s that.
Goodell is a separate issue. I don’t like how he’s doing his job, but that’s an entirely separate issue. It is possible to have 2 different issues occurring at once, that can be addressed separately. This has nothing to do with Goodell whatsoever; the rules of media interview availability have been in place for a long while.
Eagles fans have no rights. No fan has any rights. If you think you do, please show me the document that specifies them. The media rules aren’t about so fans get to see people; they’re about exposure so that the league AND THE PLAYERS make money. That’s it. More to the point, there is nothing written anywhere that says Chip or the Eagles have to say anything to the fans about their personnel moves. No contract, no CBA. The league and players have a CBA that specifies certain rules, including media exposure, because it’s beneficial to the league and the players.
The media exposure rules are very simple, and part of why the players on Super Bowl teams are treated like kings in the weeks up to the game. So forgive me if I don’t treat Lynch as some sort of champion of the people for protesting the act of answering stupid questions in exchange for millions of dollars and a week of parties, fancy hotels, free meals, etc.
i might read that….
Wait, what? You’re making a comment about an overly long comment that might take too long to read, and that takes up too much space? You? Of all people? Seriously?
This website just imploded in a swiftly compressing ball of irony.
i make long comments because i know people will read them…if no on read them i wouldnt bother… A) Im not familiar with you,you have never stuck out for anything positive that I can recall…
B) if you are going to make a personal attack with your opening statement probably shouldnt be surprised when i stop reading… at no point did i curse at you, or attack you.. cursing in general is not a personal attack, nor where we even having a discussion i was passionate neough to argue over….yet you dont know me and you assume you can interpret my tone from a computer screen, then you better interpret it correctly,…. good day.. if you want to talk shit for no reason, wait til the last paragraph… free advice
I don’t know that I made a personal attack, just pointed out something you might not be aware of, given the overly emotional nature of your posts and responses to other people.
A “personal attack” might be more along the lines of the reply you made to me on Jan 2nd that was uncharacteristically succinct, when you said only, “Blow me”.
And you might want to reconsider that “because people read them” statement. There are a number of people who look at your constant splattering of posts on this site as more of an infection than anything else. Sorry to be harsh, but it’s tough trying to come here to engage in conversation with the community when one person is constantly shouting louder and more frequently than anyone else. You kind of drown everything else out. You have good insight at times, particularly around the draft, but man, please, please, please! Filter! Maybe write things down somewhere else and only choose the good parts. It’s not fun or fair when 90% of the discussion in a community is coming from one person, and they’re not even aware of it.
That’s it, I’m done with my yearly “try to engage rationally with GEAGLE to see if he’ll stop treating this site like his own personal blog” attempt.
“That’s it, I’m done with my yearly “try to engage rationally with GEAGLE to see if he’ll stop treating this site like his own personal blog” attempt.”
It’s hopeless. I’m beginning to question whether he’s even a real person, like maybe he’s a computer program or an algorithm or something. But then I realize that a computer program wouldn’t behave this childishly.
Totally ruins the site. Too bad.
How can I be emotional over something I don’t give a shit about? Look at all my post… I can write a post about the sky being fuckin blue and it would still b the same tone…so excuse you….
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We can agree to disagree, I get it. You Think he should be forced to give the media whatever they want, I think the media is an irresponsible joke that deserves nothing for the most part, and until the slimey commissioner is held accountable I hope every player defies him as much as .lynch
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Enjoy your day good sir
Compressgate.
Minor quibble in that I think you unduly minimize the importance of fans. To borrow from economic theory of aggregate demand, the NFL and players make money from consumption of their product by fans. Without fans there would be no incredible money making machine that is the NFL. Player interviews and media access help supply interest in the product (another marketing channel). So there is a purpose to media rules that provides second (or third) order benefits to fans.
I suppose my issue with the notion of “rights” is that there are no rights in the relationship between fans and sport except that fans are the primary driver for the sports growth. Fans can choose to spend their time and money following sports, and sports organizations can choose to cater to fans in order to drive up interest to sell tickets, merchandise, and ad dollars. But that is the limit of the agreement, and it’s only an implicit agreement. If you buy a ticket, you have a right to go to that game. That’s your only real “right” as a fan. If teams start doing things the fans don’t want, they can’t claim any recourse based on supposed phantom rights. They can, however, choose to stop following teams and giving them attention and money. That’s the limit of their options.
Fans who say that teams owe them something don’t understand this. If teams aren’t doing what they want, they can stop following the team. Outside of that, well, there is no “outside of that”.
There is nothing so important about Marshawn Lynch’s job -run with a football as far as he can without getting tackled -that demands the need to talk to a room full of reporters once a week.
That’s what is ridiculous.
disagree. the press has been nothing less than abusive of him over the years, he doesn’t speak well to the press, he’s not comfortable doing it, and i’ve never read an article about him where someone in the comment section doesn’t say something hateful or diminishing about him. they can make him show up and sit there, but nobody has the right to make him smile and answer stupid stuff, especially when the people asking have been so disrespectful in the past. why isn’t it good enough that he’s the best back in the league, a good family man, an excellent teammate, and a philanthropist? he has to also either be media-savvy or contribute to his own continuing humiliation?
Only because it’s part of his contract. If it wasn’t, I have no issue. If he has problems talking to the media, he can watch Bull Durham for tips.
More importantly, if he really didn’t want to do it, just don’t show up. He’d get the same fine either way. He’s playing the “I don’t like this exposure” card by cynically using this thing as a way to get more exposure. So I have zero sympathy for him.
i don’t know if you’re reading the situation the same way i am. he’s not cynically getting exposure under the pretext of not getting exposure. he hates, hates, hates doing this, but he is obligated to be “available to the press.” he takes that very literally, and as long as he shows up he shouldn’t be getting a fine – he’s there, the press is getting audio clips, we are talking about him, so where’s the issue? rudeness?
some people argue that he’s following the letter, and not the spirit, of the law. ok. but that’s all anyone is required to do. the “spirit of the law” doesn’t exist – only what the law actually says. so if he’s getting by on a technicality, he’s only doing exactly what every corporation and businessman in history has done.
With Marynowitz in, hopefully he can have an influence on Chip to sign Kareem Jackson.
Tommy, how do you know Barwin is better coming off the edge?
because he’s amazing coming off the edge
He had a ton of sacks this year, and that might be very difficult to replace if you move him inside. Usually if you have a good OLB you leave him there (with a nod towards Green Bay this year and the other Matthews brother maybe being a counterpoint).
Yo GEAGLE you n your ‘sources’ were spot on with the Marynowitz hire.. Can rant on sometimes but i do remember you calling this one.. Good stuff bro! Now who are your sources bud?? lol
thanks… voices in my head..lol my dog told me 🙂
Your dog is a better source than what ever crap the Eagles beat writer use as sources
Sad ISNT it? A FANBASE so passionate with the most moronic local media imaginable.. SMH…
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Im gonna keep my eye out for a Dion Jordan trade next lol
i actually have never heard anything about Dion other than the reports our media made last year about us being interested……… thats just me trying to connect the dots…
If the reports were true and we were still calling miami about him last year, then i like our chances this year.
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that jackass mike wallace complicates things tho… dude keeps quitting on his team, acting like a Cancer, if they cut him, it be very very expenbsive and they prob wont also want to eat Dion Jordons dead money..
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but because, miamis coach, and GM will be fired if they dont show real improvement this year and all they have is Jarvis Landry and Wallace at the WR position, and a young QB like Tannhill isnt brady who can make do with any average WR, there is a chance they keep Wallace for this year…they will be fired anyway if they dont have a really good year, who cares if wallace blows up in their face….
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it also makes sense because we have this awesome 4-3DE that we cant keep past this season..their edge rusher fits us, our edge rusaher fits them, they arent in our conference, hopefully we do business and get it done… we would be getting a young player under rookie contract, but who has already put on the strength that OLBs spend their rookie season adding….
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plus if we have Barwin, Dion, Marcus, Kendricks, maybe another kendricks we can do so many crazy things in coverage… teams cant have any idea who we are sending after the QB and who we are dropping into coverage…. Barwin played Jimmy Graham better than anyone i ever seen, and Dion played Gronk probably better than anyone I ever seen
What about Sean Weatherspoon? Few injuries last couple seasons.. But him n Kendricks as ILB can see them making all kinds of plays
Weatherspoon is the most talented and we could most likely sign him to a cheap 2 year deal
I liked ‘Spoon since he was at Mizzou. Big Red talked to him at the Senior Bowl and he said he would love to play for the Eagles. However, I don’t think he can be had on a cheap 2 year deal he has great measurables and is only 27 years old, so he should have plenty of room to recover and grow post injury.
Falcons won’t let him go.
Few injuries? That is putting lightly that’s for sure. 2 years ago he had a lisfranc foot injury that ended his season, and last year he ruptured his Achilles. With those injuries I rather have Demeco back on a restructured deal.
Demeco 31 Weatherspoon 26-27.. Cheap 2 year id be sweet with that.. Fills the leadership n athletic ability boxes too
I understand the age difference but I would also factor in familiarity with the team and scheme. I just don’t trust Weatherspoon being healthy in any way, the guys body is more broken down then a 31 year old Ryans.
C’mon a 27 year old more broken down than a 31 year old who is tops in snaps played?!?! Linsfranc surgery is not a career altering injury, players recover from that all the time, 2 Achilles tendon tears is definitely more serious.
Except for the fact that lisfranc injuries can linger for years, oh and yea he ruptured an Achilles as well. The kid has soo many injuries that he’s only played one full season in his career. So yea I’ll take Ryans who has actually played full seasons over him.
ratther pay Casey Mathews to be a backup, and draft a ILB in the first two rounds…
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Giving kendricks a new deal will be like if we went in free agency and signed Bobby Wagner, its a BIG DEAL and wont come cheap..just because he is already on our team we cant over look it as a serious investment…
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from a roster building view, I would assume Mykal Kendricks is our big ILB investment, and us adding a rookie contract to start next to him ASAP, so we can pay to keep Casey as insurance and restructure Meco for two more years.,…
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if the eagles sign witherspoon they wont draft an ILB high, and there are too many quality ILB prospects that i would be thrilled to have in this draft, to not draft an ILB….
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if the Eagles dont see a serious talent that they Love at #20, they could possibly trade back to 26 (getting an Extra 3rd rounder) and then trade back again to like the 3rd pick in round 2 and get another 3rd rounder… so we wouldnt have a first round pick but we would end up with
two 2nd rounders
Three 3rd rounders
two 4ths(bryce trade)
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IMO we have to be able to land a serious gamne changere at #20, to turn down the trade back scenario which gives us like 6 picks in the 31-120 range…. that allows us to adress a bunch of needs with quality young players. Heck say we are fortunate and we pay for a quality safety in free agency, with a trade back scenario like that we can draft a quality ILB like kendricks pick with the 33rd pick(our first pick), and adress WR, CB, OG, OT, and even another CB if we want…. and we would still have a 5th, 6th and 7th..
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on top of that trade scenario, if you have a big offseason, and expect to have a late pick in next years draft, you can try and trade next years 1st for an extra 2nd rounder, ending up with three 2nd round picks,…we could also unload the vinny curry trade chip, I assume it gets you a late 2nd-3rd pick, maybe a 3rd that can become a conditional 2nd depending on incentives next year
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ton of possibilities….. if we could add a rare talent that you cant get every year like a Danny Shelton, alvin dupree, brandon Sherf…id seriosly consider trading back once or twice and making an ILB our 1st pick
You think MS2 goes back to the outside? Im growing on the idea of getting someone like Nate Orchard to the outside n keeping MS2 on the inside.. All 4 will be athletic.. N both Kendricks n MS2 be able to rush n cover from the inside
I believe marcus can be a great outside pass rusher… I have never seen his display the type of sideline to sideline ability that I want to see in our ILBs like Kedricks
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If you want the ILB version of Macus, like an athletic version of Timmons, look to Benadrick McKinney…… I believe that he only was moved to ILB because we had 3 OLBs that were playing at a quasi Probowl level. There were barely enough snaps for BG who was awesome… Injuries happened at ILB and IMO THATS the only reason he temporarily made the move…. I know he has the talent to grow into a quality edge rusher and I already know he can cover….I don’t KNOW that he can be a quality ILB, he might have it in him, but I don’t see the potential that I see playing on the edge…then again, when I watched film of him, I was looking for OLB ability, I wasn’t looking for ILB so maybe he is capable of it… But OLB is more important, if he can be a really good OLb, not worth moving him to ILB, but we’ll see
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I adore Alvin Dupree, but I doubt he last to 20… I would love to get Danny Shelton and Erik Kendricks , move marcus back outside, .. But I’f Shelton is the athlete I think he is, he won’t last til 20… I just worry that what will be available at 20, we can find something similar at 31, 32,33.. And if that’s the case and someone special isn’t available, I would rather trade back once or twice and add 3rd rounders…and draft Lorenzo Mauldin, Who played with MS2 in round 3…
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If we pick at 20, we better end up with something significantly better than what we can get at #33… .. Ideally that type of gamebreaker will be available at 20, but I would feel much better if we had like the #15th pick…
Marcus Smith is a better cover LB than McKinney.
I wouldnt mind drafting Mauldin in the 3rd.
Regarding pick 20th, often that is just right outside what many always call the sweet spot for true 1st round talent, that means we most likely wont get a gamebreaker at 20th, but need to trade up.
Right now, my perfect 1st round is trade back and add a 2nd rounder, then draft Quinten Rollins or Maxx Williams. (I think guys like Dupree, Kendricks, Shelton, White, Clemmings will all be gone by 20th)
I never really got the MSII to inside backer. It didn’t make sense. He had never played there before. He hadn’t played a ton of defense. So now you’re asking him to play the single most mentally taxing spot?
adam shefty with the GROUNDBREAKING NEWS!!! you guys ready? you better sit down for this one…
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the eagles would like to keep both Maclin and Shady….. lol but we have to see if they can pull it off LOL…..
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i waited 5 minutes for this report….
Real groundbreaking stuff right there lol. Only thing they have to pull off to make it happen is sign Mac.
You are kidding, right?!
Remember though, you can’t trust anything this time of year.
Wonder if he realizes that’s only the Cowboy’s big storyline this offseason, and because they are cap strapped.Next he’ll starts tweeting about Beckham and Rashaad Jennings and if the Giants can keep both.
The Shady watch could turn out to be an interesting one this off-season (with the hopes that it won’t become a DeSean II scenario).
McCoy:
“I know how hard it is to keep a team together and I want to be a part of this team. But I’m not going to take less money. But I want to find a way to make it happen.
No way we cut McCoy this year no matter what. The Eagles has zero leverage right now.
Sproles cant be your every down RB and Polk simply cant be trusted, so unless the coaching staff is really high on Tucker, McCoy has all the leverage.
The most likely scenario would be that the Eagles do not touch his contract this year, draft a RB in the top 4 rounds and then cut McCoy next year if he wont redo his contract
I am not so sure to be honest. A 11 Mio Cap hit for a RB is a lot of dough, even for the best RB in the NFL.
After cutting DeSean (with Maclin coming back from an ACL and Coop as the only other starting WR) nothing will surprise me anymore.
I hope Shady is willing to re-structure by not necessarily taking a pay cut. If not, here are some FA RBs:
1. DeMarco Murray
2. C.J. Spiller
3. Ryan Mathews
4. Mark Ingram
5. Justin Forsett
6. Frank Gore
7. Shane Vereen
8. Stevan Ridley
9. Roy Helu
10. Ahmad Bradshaw
11. Darren McFadden
12. Knowshon Moreno
The comeback player of the year might become of interest then…
Yeah i reckon restructure be the go.. Pay cut when hes done everything asked on the field kinda slaps you in the face
A pay cut could be to his benefit. He’d be cutting this year’s salary and probably future salaries too but he’d be getting more guaranteed money. They aren’t terribly tight against the cap so they potentially could wait until after teams spend the majority of their free agent money and then use the hammer of a potential release to increase their leverage. He might have to take a pay cut but he’d still be increasing his guaranteed money and be making more than he’d likely make on the open market.
That’s all Djax wanted and look what happened to him.
Does Chip hate McCoy as much as he apparently hated DeSean?
it was hard to know chip hated desean until the rumors came. It’s clear McCoy isn’t the best back for the scheme if we don’t have a mobile QB. since i don’t see the QB part changing and there’s tons of RBs out there / in the draft AND McCoys contract is even more outsized than Djax, i’d say anything is possible.
McCoy had just as good stats with Foles in 2013 as with Vick.
ehhh look at the ypc and the “long” it looks a bit better — aside from the number it also looked a lot easier. But you could be right.
My point being ability to run through holes vs ability to run through contact. W/ RO there’s a lot better running lanes and shady is a space player, but looking at the way the things are now (caveat for better line play) you need someone that can consistently run through contact.
yeah VICK!
no way. McCoy is cool.
yeah but he is annoying
Lots of guys (most with injury history which shady doesn’t have) plus the draft. It can’t be comforting to him that it’s clear that CK has been going after CJ Spiller in past years-and coming off of another injury filled season, he might be open to a reasonable deal, especially to be on a winning team.
Otherwise lots of good vets + Mark Ingram (heisman)
The one guy that intrigues me the most of this list is Justin Forsett, who’s also very good at catching the ball out of the backfield.
yeah he had a great season. Guess who the OL coach is for the ravens?
The greatest DC of all time?!
do any of these guys hit the hole?
I love shady but he could do better just running through the hole like polk etc…
plus we know it makes chipper mad.
Gore, Ingram, Bradshaw is free basically and a violent runner — wouldn’t be surprised if we go there necessary, he was set to break the receiving TD record for a RB this season (before getting injured again), Shane Vareen would be perfect for the system and you have to be dedicated to play for Billy B.
Its funny the RB FA class is probably he best of any position group this offseason and i’m sure none of those guys is going to cost you over $5m, except for murray.
bradshaw is a killer.
If he can stay injury-free. I haven’t seen many killers limping around lately.
Its funny the RB FA class is probably he best of any position group this offseason and i’m sure none of those guys is going to cost you over $5m, except for murray
This.
Thats because half of them sucks and the other half cant stay healthy
Of that list I really only want Forsett, but he will get a very good deal from somebody.
The rest of the guys even fumble too much or cant stay healthy.
Cut it out with the shady is the best back in the nfl talk
One thing’s for sure though:
Should the Eagles cut Shady without getting anything in return (ala DeSean) then I will personally drive down to Philly and punch Chip, Howie and Ed all in their face!
In theory Jackson had more trade value than a 27 year old RB who just had the 2 biggest workload seasons of his carrier with a 11 mill cap hit
Man, it’d almost be worth it for that.
SF hired Gamble, as expected.
Took a while…
exactly the same amount of time as the Eagles needed to find his replacement.
coincidence?
or irony?
or Tom Gamble wasnt as good as some of the media members made him out to be?
Kelly’s reputed to have held Gamble in high enough regard, no?
What’s that say, if anything?
Also reportedly didn’t think highly enough of him to fight to keep him. He obviously had enough juice to get Roseman removed from personnel evaluation. Could have kept Gamble if he wanted to.
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That’s interesting, but he couldn’t have been waiting for his old job; could he?
As far as LB’s go, what are the thoughts on Lorenzo Mauldin, the team of Marcus Smith? Played DE and OLB in 4-3 and 3-4. Apparently he is a high character guy as well. 6’4″ 250 lbs, looks pretty athletic to me and had 3 batted passes this last year. Looks quick but obviously doesn’t have a great sense of what to do when he rushes the passer.
My question is, what do ILB’s need most in terms of traits? Mauldin seems decent in getting of blocks, regardless it never hurts to have more OLBs in a 3-4.
Traits for ILB (as I played this position also myself):
– shedding blocks
– sideline-to-sidline speed
– fluid enough hips to stay with TE’s/RBs up the seem.
Mauldin is not an ILB, if Mauldin and Smith, Smith is far more suited to ILB, but if we want an ILB I much rather draft Kendricks, Dawson or McKinney (in that order)
That’s why I was asking. Why can’t he be an ILB? What if all those picks are gone when we pick? In the end I also said it never hurts to have more OLB’s for the 3-4 and we will probably need some OLB talent for the future. What up and comers do we have now? Cole is old, Graham may not come back, Smith may move to ILB. Mauldin might be worth a look regardless of where we put him, especially if he can be gotten in the third.
Mauldin is right now a day 2 pick.
If you want an ILB at 20th, one of McKinney or Kendricks will 100% be there (I prefer Kendricks, but Kelly might go for the bigger guy with more upside)
Yes I know but what if you don’t want and ILB at 20? Regardless I think we both Mauldin may be a good pick in the 3rd.
If you do not want an ILB at 20th, then this is a bad draft for ILB
like Marcus he is much better suited for OLB.. havent seen anything that makes me think that would be a great ILB
Yes, but no one has told me why. Because I am relatively new to “scouting” players I want to know what makes someone good at a position and why the “can’t” play at another. I’d take the guy in whatever position if we can get him in the 3rd.
marcus is way better down hill, he can bend his body to get around the edge which is crucial for an edge rusher, long arms…a developing arsenal of pass rush moves and counters, all attributes that can be molded into a quality edge rusher… but when i think of Marcus sideline to sideline ability, it not anywhere near kendricks level from what i seen… now meco doesnt have that sideline to sideline speed anymore but he compensates with tricks of the trade from a crafty veteran
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if you have a bisexual Linebacker(goes both ways outside and inside lol) IMO you should make him an OLB every time., its the more important position, it requires more money in free agency and there is always a run on them early in the draft so they require high draft picks…If he can grow into a quality starting OLB, i dont know why we would want to devalue him, QB, LT and OLB/DE are the 3 positions slightenly valued above the rest…. what do you see in the top 10 of EVERY DRAFT? QBs, OLB/DE’s and LT’s…. with a rare safety or CB, a WR, and maybe a ILB sprinkled in between… but you will ALWAYS see atleast 2 LT’s and 2 Edge rushers drafted in the top 10 and thats not a coincidence
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im not saying he cant be a good ILB, but i KNOW he can be a good ILB…. but in fairness, when i was watching tape of him at OLB, i never thought to bother trying to look at him as an ILB, so its possible i missed some amazing sideline to sideline ability or something….but i really really believe in him as an edge rusher.. for me it was Clowney, Mack, Barr and then Marcus….curious after their 3rd year, what order they will be in?
I was talking about Mauldin but your points are noted and I agree.
especially the “bisexual linebacker” i was laughing.
oh ok… Mauldin is probably more OLB NFL ready than Marcus was when we drafted him… Marcus you knew would need to get stronger his rookie year to handle battling NFL LT’s, but Mauldin is a MAN, that dude is Jacked 250lbs of GROWN MAN…. i think Marcus has a higher ceiling but Mauldin will be a better rookie OLB than Marcus was…i never tried to look at Mauldin sideline to sideline ability, Marcus im sure is the better athlete and more suited of the two…mauldin strictly OLB IMO
Mauldin can add more weight to his frame too which is the scary part. I don’t look at him and say, “yep he’s maxed out.” Whelp, that does it, he’s on my list.
yeah he def can easily get to 265 and maintain his explosion…its a good OLB draft so hopefully he stays in round 3 range and doesnt have some crazy combine that shoots him up the chart…..
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do something crazy like trade back twice and get two extra 3rds…and end up with two 2’s, three 3’s and two 4’s bryce brown trade and get a crazy haul like what i pulled off in the draft game LOL
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Kendricks ILB Rd2
Grasu G/Cand RD2
Devin Smith WR Rd3
Jake Fisher RT/G Rd3
Lorenzo Mauldin OLB Rd3
Phillip Dorsett WR Rd4
Tony Washington OLB
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lol
and since we desperate for a serious young CB talent, trade next years 1st for an early second round pick and take Rollins or Jaylen Collins or who ever the best corner available is… lol and if thats not enough and you really wanna be a draft crackhead you can trade vinny for a late 2nd or early 3rd lol
the billy bellicheck model. It’ll be interesting to see what his life is like w/out Tom brady.
i modify the draft game to be more realistic… for example say im about to pick at #20 and i want to trade back but the offer is so unrealistic that it would never happen for example.. trade #20 and move down to #28 and also recieve a late 2nd round pick and a mid 3rd round pick,,,, in real life i know thats way too much for trading to 28 from 20, and in real life we would probably only get the extra 3rd round pick…so to compensate for the unrealistic 2nd round pick im also getting in addition to the 3rd round pick, i will pretend that i got the extra late 2nd rounder for trading away Vinny Curry… so i can play the accept the unrealistic trade back compensation and make it realistic by pretending im doing a draft scenario that includes trading away Vinny for a late 2nd round pick….and thats how i can make such an unrealistic game, realistic and worth playing
34 OLB. Edge player. Predominantly pass rusher Plays on the line of scrimmage. Minimal reading of a play required. Some short zone drops.
34 ILB. Classic off the ball linebacker. Must be able to set defense properly. Must be able to make multiple reads at once. Must be able to make deeper drops than OLB, as well as cover backs on checkdown routes. Blitzer, not pass rusher.
It’s Terrell Suggs v. Ray Lewis.
The two positions are extremely different. Projecting a player from one to the other, doesn’t really make sense,.
Especially at this level I bet. On any note, he seems like a solid pass rushing option.
As is usually the case, there are no top tier ILBs in either the draft or free agency.
The OLB FA class doesn’t seem too great either, considering Houston is probably unattainable and Worilds is actually the best available.
One bright side is there look to be a ton of quality corners in FA.
Brooks Reed from the Texans(again, I know) might be a possibility. He can play both OLB and ILB.
question: from a roster building stand point how do you find a balance between filling depth roles with quality backups that can fill in if a guy goes down with an injury, and speding depth spots on young players that can be developed into capable backups, but still have a chance to grow into more than just a backup?
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for example, what do you do with Casey Mathews? he is a quality special team contributor, he was able to will in admirably and QB our defense when Mufasa went down…BUT HE IS WHAT HE IS, a career backup, who wont grow into more?
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Last year we signed Barbre, veteran insurance who had no chance of ever being a started and the rest of our OL backup spots were on promising kids that can become good backups, but like Tobin, still have a chance at possibly growing into a quality starter?
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how do you find the balance of adding veteran insurance, since injuries are such a big part of the equation, but also have young talent on your bench still has a chance to grow into more than just a career backup?
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i dont know that Naje Goode can come in and QB the defense and hold the fort down the way Casey did…when Naje played it was next to demeco, which is very different than replacing Meco the way casey was surprisingly able to do.. Casey is what he is, reliable backup..but Naje best ball is still ahead of him, but not so talented that we can assume he can start one day…so whats the balance between spending depth roles on veteran backup injury insurance, and spending roles on young players like Tobin who you cant count on right now like you can count on Barbre, but unlike Barbre still has plenty more potential to realize before he maxes out as a veteran???
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can you bring guys like Casey back who will never be more than a backup, or do you give his spot to someone you hope can grow into more, but who you wont be able to count on like you can count on Casey if a starting ILB gets hurt in week 1?
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of course we know that every player that earns a backup spot under chip most likely is going to be a good ST play… ST play is a prerequisite for sitting on chip kellys bench
what you are describing is called a “Bisexual Linebacker”
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can you really see the Eagles giving Kendricks a lucrative contract AND paying for Brooks Reed who isnt Cheap? at that point sign Patrik Willis or Navarro Bowman once the niners waive them…. just dont know how happy they are about giving both our ILB nice contracts with fat signing bonus’s…. to pay Kendricks good money, makes sense that his running mate at ILB is being paid on a rookie contract for the next 4 years while Mykal is earning good veteran money….
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but i like Brooks Reed, wouldnt mind being wrong about this…
I think you’re right about the reality of the situation. It’d be nice to have ballers at both spots but is it economical — most people don’t have that unless they drafted it.
Just need a more athletic Casey Matthews type.
oh Casey is a low bar, i think if we get someone good there we’ll see how limited we were at that spot, given what our line can do we should be getting to the QB more often up the middle, Casey is a run stopper / play caller, he’s not a play maker
That’s what I meant, someone with Casey’s run stopping ability and play calling but with more athletic ability to make some darn plays.
All this talk of “bisexual” it makes me think of Prince.
Do these LBs play in blouses?
http://a3.img.mobypicture.com/2f97af343c7839b7486d3a3749ddb2cd_view.jpg
I don’t understand how you can sing so high and speak so low
Because Prince is in a class all by himself. His music is awesome, his movies eh, and his swagger off the charts.
WTF… am i reading this right? i think its a terrible CB market and a Great OLB market that BG has some serious competion at his position… who are these great CBs available? maxwell is talking extension with seattle already…
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im surprised you feel that way, am i missing something? who are these great corners avaiklable that would interest chip?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000465351/article/seahawks-byron-maxwell-excited-to-test-free-agency
you do realize that link means he wont be an eagle? that wasnt good news, and it also contradicts report today that they started contract talks… if he does reach free agency some team will end up giving him 10mil more than he is worth…look at the signing of barwin, jenkins….can you really see us winning a bidding war for one of the most sought after free agents…. the eagles will spend big if they get their moneys worth, but you probably have to grossly overpay to get Maxwell especially if he is going to the highest bidder..
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you can raise my taxes 2% to help pay for Maxwell, thats how hype i would be to see us add him…. i just dont see it as very likely. love to be wrong tho
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we all know maxwell is available, i was asking who this plethora of quality corners is thats available? i dont see many significant upgrades that are realistic for us available
Just pointing out that hes pretty much planning on hitting free agency agree that he’ll be out of our comfortable price range tho
lol so we managed to find two different ways the player we all want wont become an eagle….lol great… JK
Corners:
Brandon Flowers, Antonio Cromartie, Byron Maxwell, Walter Thurmond, Kareem Jackson, Tramon Williams, even Culliver from the 49ers would be a big upgrade.
OLB (3-4):
Justin Houstin, Jason Worilds, ….. that’s it. Weatherspoon maybe? He’s always injured. Malcolm Smith hasn’t been that good at all, plus I think he’s more of a 4-3 OLB. James Harrison is legitimately one of the top OLBs available, so that’s saying quite a bit given his age.
Justin Houston, Jason Worilds, Jabaal Sheard, BG, Derrick Morgan, Brooks Reed. Then there’s a bunch of next tier level OLBs, there are a good amount that will be available. As for your ILB comment there are plenty to be had in the draft from 1st round to even 4th round there are going to be quality ILBs.
Houston, Worilds, and Sheard are probably the only ones that you want playing the predator role a.k.a Coles spot. I think Reed would fit more as an ILB here.
I said corners that have a remote shot at being considered by the Eagles..
Cromartie won’t be considered
tramon won’t be considered
walter Thurmond won’t be considered.
Culliver is a jackass that chip won’t even consider
Byron Maxwell will make 10mil more than he is worth so we will drop out of the bidding
if you know anything about what we are looking for on defense you wouldn’t waste your time typing the name Brandon Flowers…
Kareem will also be overpriced due to inflated INT total
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You want a realistic eagle CB target?… Davon House
They offered him a contract, but they were Worilds apart.
Predict the end of this dinner/story:
Chip Kelly is in Phoenix for Super Bowl week and is slated to have dinner with LeSean McCoy tonight.
It’s like when he called Djax and told him not to listen to the outside shit, just do what you do.
Chip: ‘LeSean, you can call me Chip’
Lesean: ‘Thanks, Chip. You can call me Shady’
Chip: ‘Listen Shady, I really like you…’
Does he take him out on the boat to go fishing?
For compliments?!
They have smoothies for dessert?
“geez shady stop playing around with your food and eat already.”
“Don’t order the fish. It’s left over from the weekend.”
They make a rap video?
LeSean and his agent? Some possible O Line replacements that McCoy likes? Or just a little chat about treating women like human beings? Don’t turn into a Ray Rice clone?
We all saw how bad Chung was for us last year. What is your take on why he has been a good starter for a Super Bowl bound franchise?
According to him he’s injury-free. I think it has more to do with BB vo odoo.
He also had a shoulder issue pretty much all year in 2013.
Look at the rest of that secondary…
This is what scares me about going after a player who is already on a great secondary, though.
how are you going to get a good secondary w/out good players? They aren’t “stars” but we aren’t paying for stars. Want to pay average $ get an average secondary.
You take below-average to average players, coach them up, and then never sign bigger names because that’s risky.
My thought is you have to go about getting them the way the Eagles got Jenkins last year. Find a guy who fits the skill set you need and has a good attitude, regardless of his apparent quality of play so far in his current situation.
You can’t. But how you find those players is the question and the challenge. I wish I had the answer, but there’s probably no good shortcut.
it’d be nice if we got some help from the draft, but we haven’t been good there ina long time.
He was hurt last year….. Difference this year to last year. He is playing with confidence this year, and he has to do less with the DB talent around him….
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Chung is nothing special, but he is a better player than we saw last year warrioring thru that shoulder injury all year… All year I said he looked like someone who was favoring that shoulder, at the end of the year chung confirmed it for me
A possible replacement if Graham leaves.
Max Valles from Virginia. 6’5 and give or take about 240 pounds. Instead of trading for Dion Jordan, just take a shot on this kid who has the same upside and issues with his game right now.
nice find
You don’t have to wait for Dion to add strength his first two years… Philly is calling Marcus smith a bust because the instant gratification whores weren’t satisfied, can’t wait to hear Philly wait for this kid to get strong enough to set the edge
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dion is ready to produce in a 3-4 in 2015, this kid is a very different situation… But there are a few Virginia prospects I really like so I’lol check him out when I review Virginia defenses film… I like the safety for us
Valles can be groomed to play either OLB spots. He’s a better prospect for this team right now since he’s a lot younger and won’t nearly cost as much. He needs the right support system to make sure he can reach his skyhigh ceiling though.
So if this is true, is it better to trade out of the 1st round? I would think so.
Yes!! Trade back twice, pick up two extra 3rds and make your first pick in the top 5 of round two…
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Only way I would keep 20 if someone I don’t expect to be available falls like Danny Shelton or Bud dupree
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml
take it with a grain of a salt. Galko isn’t the best.
Galko is a great scout though. Mock drafting is different beast.
We’re in great shape at 20!
Don’t get it, you drink one in 6 months and you’re suspended for the year?
Gordon? He shouldn’t have breached his contract.
Some of those rules are pretty stupid, but I have to think if you know that it’s going to cost you millions to not follow them, and know you have two strikes against yourself already, a guy’s got to be either really stupid or have a really bad problem.
This exactly.
Sure i get that but it’s stupid he gets suspended for having one drink on a flight
I agree, which makes me think there were some other things going on and this is just the excuse. It’s like when a manager wants to fire someone for one reason, but find another which can’t be contested.
i mean if you fail a pee test you fail it. it doesn’t mean you were necessarily acting irresponsibly. I mean his last fail was right at the limit as well, i think it’s bad circumstances once you get that deep in the program.
Yeah, I think that’s the issue. Once you’re marked, you’re marked for life.
according to him he didn’t know they meant after the season. No booze after the season seems a little crazy. That said he gets tested for pot year around he should have known that booze ban was a year around thing.
If he didn’t know that, he should ask his agent for a full refund. I seriously doubt the agent didn’t go over the conditions in detail with him.
Was it his first offense? Did he sign and understand some kind of agreement that prohibited ALL forms of drugs and alcohol? Is he being accountable for his actions? Unfortunately it seems that he is a real addict, not just stupid.