Shady Trade
Posted: March 3rd, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 1,122 Comments »Shady for Kiko Alonso. Wow.
I’m behind schedule due to a long day at work so this is going to be my instant analysis.
The move by itself may seem crazy. You deal a superstar RB for a very good young ILB, albeit one coming off a torn ACL. But the move in context might prove to be great.
The Eagles add cap space. That could be significant it the team wants to be very active in free agency. The secondary was a mess last year. The Eagles could try to fix that with some star additions. Being in active in free agency would give the team freedom in the draft…in case they want to trade up for someone…like a star QB that Chip Kelly recruited and developed.
The move also helps the defense. Kelly can work his magic on an offense, but the defense needs talent. Alonso is a poor man’s Luke Kuechly. He has range and instincts. He immediately makes the middle of the field less vulnerable, especially on pass plays.
I know some are going to hate (HATE) this deal. The funny thing is that my buddies that are Bills fans are not happy at all. They appreciate Shady’s talent, but prefer the stud LB to the RB with some wear and tear.
Nothing is official yet, but this is interesting. Word from CJ Spiller, who was making an appearance on the NFL Network.
“[McGinest] walked in and said, ‘Did ya’ll hear that Kiko’s getting traded to the Eagles for Shady?’ ” Spiller said. “And to me, I thought he was joking, like just trying to play a joke on me, because he’s a Patriot, and I was a former Bill.
“But then, he put it on TV, and I seen it, and then probably about five minutes later, management called me and told me that they (were) going in that direction, and pretty much giving me a ‘Thank you for your services.’ ”
More on this and the other Eagles news to come.
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Spiller is fast!!! 4.2 fast!! But doesnt he have a lot yards lost on runs?
sounds like a faster Shady then
Different playing style. Explained above.
Not a workhorse back and has been injured a lot more than shady…..if the price is right and we platoon guys it could work….also spiller ran. 4.37 at the combine…fast but not 4.2 fast…..
Shady has alot of yards lost on runs because he dances in backfield. Spiller has alot of yards lost on runs because he has a bad habit of bouncing to the outside when it’s not necessary. Also Spiller is not in anyway a player that is adept at breaking tackles. Shady does little dance moves to side step tackles, in which Spiller can do but not as well. Spillers best attribute is his straight line speed. However at times it can be his worst enemy because he just figured he can just bounce to outside which doesn’t work in the NFL. Then of course you have the durability concerns with him. Good weapon but use sparingly because he might break.
FWIW, my Buffalo buddy was also not super pleased. His thought was “if you’re going to trade Alonso at least do it for a QB.”
what do you mean “also”. Who else is not pleased, I think most of us love the deal.
I was echoing Tommy’s Buffalo friends who are not happy with it…
I’m okay with the trade. Chip has shown he can polish a turd and turn it into a high scoring offense. Our defense has been depressing. Once we address corner I’ll be a lot more comfortable.
Alonso is a young guy with a ton of potential, but I’m disappointed the Eagles went with a 1-for-1 trade. I think the Eagles could have gotten a lot more for Shady than the deal from the Bills. I wonder if they shopped him around enough.
RBs making $10mm per year just don’t get a good return these days.
Especially when he’s the RB with the most carries over the past two years
yea, i think his dollar value hurt the return we could get on the trade.
I think a good reason to go young (I believe 3 years left on rookie contract – sat out last year – not count?) is potentially IMMEDIATE impact to a position of need for cheap. We’ll see if trade yield is good in the long run.
He was injured last year. I’m pretty sure that counts as a year on his contract. Otherwise, I agree with everything you said!
It actually does not, because he was out the entire year. So he’s on a rookie contract for 3 years now.
Nope, he was placed on the non-football injury list instead of IR because the injury occurred when he was working out on his own. Therefore, he didn’t accrue a year toward FA last season and while his contract will expire after the 2016 season, he’ll only have accured 3 seasons and will be a RFA instead of an UFA.
Cool. I am happy to be wrong!
A few writers speculated that Shady’s value was a 3rd. That’s kinda what I thought. RB’s are just not that valuable anymore.
The Eagles got 10 mill in cap space, that is a ton
my new 25 jersey will say CAP SPACE
While the added cap space is nice, haven’t all the lessons from watching basically any NFL team over the last several years been big players in FA usually regret it? We have a lot of holes on the team, with the cap space and the needs, it would seem we would have to be active in FA. The problem is, I’m not sure that’s often proved to be a successful strategy.
i heard about this team that signed a big name CB for a crazy amount of money and they did pretty well…
You mean that team that signed Nnamdi…..
was more thinking of the guys sporting the fancy rings right about now.
Ohh you mean the team that has Tom Brady as their QB….Revis without Tom Brady equals no rings…but I still believe going after Maxwell and McCourty will give us a better team…not so sure of a real SB contender though…
pat chung
I am pretty sure he was referring to REVIS
The Patriots have a Hall-of-Fame caliber QB and a roster full of very good-to-elite players acquired through the draft. Revis was a supplementary piece acquired to fill a crack, not build the foundation.
When you look at teams that try to build through free agency, you’re looking at the Snyder Redskins, the mid-00s Cowboys, the 2011 Eagles. The track record is indeed pretty ugly, and should make you think twice about what Kelly is trying to do.
who Patrick Chung ?
..oh he’s a saftey
Plenty of successes and failures to point to. It’s really just about good scouting and effective resource allocation. Signing your own drafted players who turned in to all-pro’s is the ideal, but that doesn’t mean it’s always a bad decision to sign a big ticket FA.
take the moves one at a time. You think one of Cary, Cole, Shady deserved to play at their numbers? Letting over priced veterans play at their high numbers is also not a good idea.
So this means that the dress is black and blue, right?
As much as I love Shady (especially 2013 Shad), the move had to be made. RB’s hit their wall hard. Got to sell early. Getting a stud ILB in return is more than I would have expected.
Good RB draft too… But I am conflicted on what I think. Still trying to process it all.
“The secondary was a mess last year. The Eagles could try to fix that with some star additions.” Very bad memories of the last attempt. Hoping Chip has better results.
CJ also spilled the beans on NFL Network saying that ‘he’s sure that Chip Kelly got his agent’s number’. He’s got EAGLES written all over already.
Not sure.. I was under the impression we wanted him in sproles role as a comiment to shady… He was supposed to play sprolds role and pair with shady.. So we weren’t looking at him as our feature back and I’m not sure that stylistically we want to pair sproles and spiller….then again, wanting to pair spiller and shady last year could have been because he knew he wanted to get rid of shady after the year, so it is possible that we were looking at spilled as pairing with shady for a year, and the next year taking over for shady when we cut him….so I’m not really sure what to think. But I don’t want to lose Polk or shady, and if we keep those two, I would rather add youth and grab a rookie RB this year or next (Elliot)… Curious to see xuips complete RB visii
Polk may be given a chance to be the main guy along with Tucker. May bring in a veteran free agent along with a draft pick for competition.
I could believe this if Kelly gave Polk more carries last year, but with the lack of touches I’m not really sure.
Hey Tommy, would you prefer Graham or Worilds??
i wouldn’t mind seeing a post that covers just OLBs
Not surprised at all. Shady spent way too much time dancin to avoid contact. Not worth 12 mil.
So my son wore a 10 jersey all 2013, 25 all 2014. A friend offered to buy him 14 next…
Thats why you buy him a 20 jersey and you never have to worry about it.
they let 20 go for a few bucks … get your favorite number and put the name CAP SPACE on it
He still has to get into the HOF before I can be sure I won’t jinx him in any way. I was thinking of going with 60.
Count me among the skeptics. Alonso is fine, but I think people are overstating the degree to which running backs are interchangeable. Shady’s still one of the best backs in the league, so there almost certainly will be a dropoff in production at that position next year.
Moreover, the “Chip Kelly is going to go after all the Ducks” scenario concerns me. I don’t care if his Oregon program was a contender, it never won a national championship and it hasn’t produced a ton of star-caliber NFL players – this is not a “Jimmy Johnson in Dallas” situation. If Kelly trades the next three drafts for Mariota as some are speculating he will attempt to do, I think it is far, far more likely we’ll end up looking back on it as the moment his NFL coaching tenure jumped the shark rather than the moment the Eagles made the leap from good team to great one.
we are getting control over Kiko for 3 years and relieving Shady’s and likely Ryans’ cap number. That should more than compensate for the dropoff in RB production.
Kelly decided $10M for a RB is way too much. You can’t just look at production without the contract. And really, Shady did not have a good year. Lots of one cut RB’s would have had more yards.
Alonso’s a good player, but his health concerns me. He’s now shredded both his ACLs, and he’s only 24. If he stays healthy, I think he’s a decent return, but that’s a big “if”.
As for Shady, he was running behind a patchwork offensive line for half the season last year, and still put up 1,400 yards. I think he has a few more years left as an elite player. A one cut running back might have had more 5 yard gains last year, but I think you’re taking those electrifying 30 yard runs on which McCoy makes five people miss and gets into the secondary for granted, and this offense is going to miss them more than you think.
I am too lazy to look up the stats, but Shady’s per carry avg was awful among the league. He got 1,400 yards b/c he got a ton of carries. I’ve just been kind of tired of his dancing. I did not think he had a good year. His contract is way, way, way too high for all that. So I like the trade. But that’s just me.
4.2 last year. Pretty meh.
I think his ypc wasn’t too bad. Problem was the variance. Against the better defenses, he was atrocious (slightly over 2 ypc). Against cupcakes, he put up crooked numbers. Not a recipe for post-season success, really. And yes, the OL had something to do with it, but Shady also bore some responsibility for not taking the 4-5 yard gains that often presented themselves last year. Much like Foles, Shady left a lot of plays on the field last year. And was a 6 year vet with an increasing contract #.
Shady also has a propensity to turn a sure TD run into a ridiculous display of trying to cut back across the entire field 20 yards past the LOS and inevitably getting tackled from behind. He’s the only RB I’ve ever seen that dances too much in the hole and behind the LOS but also 20 yards into the secondary in the open field.
Shady is a great back, I’m really not trying to say he’s not, but you had to take a lot of the bad with the good and the good Shady, the one that breaks ankles didn’t seem to be able to do that much last year.
Yeah. What bothers me is that people are acting like Shady’s just some schmoe who can be replaced with an anonymous fourth round pick or street free agent, and discounting the value of the unique skills he does have. He’s a top 3 back in the NFL and brings things to the table that whoever replaces him won’t. That’s just a fact. The potential downsides of this move are real and have to be taken into account.
2013 Shady is almost impossible to replace. That’s for absolute sure. I’m not sure that 2015 and 2016 Shady are going to be nearly as hard to replace.
Shady can’t be replaced with a ‘schmoe’.
You know what, though? I bet the right 5th round RB could get 1000 yards in Chip’s system.
Want to see the replacement before I mind losing shady.
Replace him with Mark Ingram and im pissed..
A replace him with AP and Im thrilled.
Go with Polk and sproles and trade up for Zeke elliot next year, and I’m thrilled
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But I couldn’t be happier to see us trade for badass like Kiko
“The potential downsides of this move are real and have to be taken into account.” What does this mean? Taken into account by whom? I’m pretty sure the Eagles didn’t just pull an idea out of thin air and act on it today. They undoubtedly already did look at the potential downsides as well as the upsides.
By the people commenting on this blog. A lot of people are evaluating based on the premises that Alonso will stay healthy and play at a Pro Bowl level, Shady’s play will begin to decline precipitously in the near future, and the Eagles will be able to plug in a bargain basement runner in his place and get similar production because of the system. There’s a decent chance none of those scenarios play out, in which case this trade is a disaster.
We will see if the Eagles are adequately evaluating risks and benefits. I will admit that my judgment may be biased by the fact that I don’t trust Chip Kelly as a talent evaluator, but I think it’s possible they aren’t thinking things through as carefully as they should since it’s now basically a one-man show.
I think theres a lot more to it, then just one is moving up while another is moving down. Cap space is huge and it removes us from the situation not just this year but going forward on what to do with him. Also, seems every preseason, and granted its preseason, we have a bunch of young RBs that look, which leads to the idea this is a run friendly offense. Plus, our OL is dynamic on the run.
killed me watching him cut back into traffic.
Shady averaged ~2yds after initial contact, one of the worst in the league. YPC was 4.2. Shady was taken off goal line, and passing downs.
Running behind a crap offensive line for half the year, and with a backup QB for the other half.
The year before, when the players around him were healthy, he was arguably the best running back in football. You have to be a pretty lousy running back for 1,319 yards to count as a bad year.
If you think the deal was on balance worth making, fine. I’m not inclined to agree with you, but it’s a debate that can be had. But acting like Shady is chopped liver is ridiculous.
You inadvertently supported your dissenting opinion though, because it shows that it wasn’t the player doing phenomenal, it was the OL play.
It’s a combination. Good blocking got Shady 5 yards downfield without being touched. His elite ability as an open field runner is what made linebackers and safeties miss and turned 5 yards runs into 20, 30, and 40 yard runs. A straightforward one cut runner is unlikely to have that kind of big play ability.
Granted. The other half of that, though, is that the one cut and go runner is going to take the 5-6 yards the 49ers were giving Shady this year and laugh all the way down the field, instead of dancing in the hole and averaging 2 ypc. So there is a tradeoff involved.
All in all, not a bad move for either team. Buffalo had a great defense last year without Kiko, and we got good return for a RB with wear on the tires. They get a spark for their offense without a hit to their defense, and we get a much needed spark to our defense while selling high on a quality player. There is such a thing as a trade that benefits both sides, after all.
I think Shady’s fantasy projections should go down. Without the spacing created by Chip’s offense, Shady’s dancing will hurt him even more.
Don’t count out Rex’s offensive genius, though. He’ll basically turn the light on in the offense film room and leave, and try and make sure that the electricity runs for most of the time guys are in there. That should make up the the discrepancy.
Just wanted to remind everyone that I thought we might have an issue with Shady and his negative running style driving Chip crazy and killing our O. I wish him best of luck and hope that POLK gets more carries this year.
Polk needs to stay healthy
Move aside George Martin, your Game of Thrones series got nothing on Chip and his Eagles
Chip’s red wedding today
House Kelly
Always another Option
This is a big trade… with the restructure of the organization, was howie or chip doing the dealings? Collaboration? Anyone? Anyone?
no one thinks Howie is making these decisions.
How about the negotiations?
I’m sure that if money is involved so is Howie in some way, shape or form. However this is a swap in which the birds aren’t ponying up any money so I’d say his input was minimal if any.
Byron Maxwell signing with agent Alvin Keels, not Ben Dogra(previously reported by Jeff McLane).
that sucks… not familiar with what eagle clients ALVIN represented but Dogra did good business with us in the past, plus his name sounds like The Boss, Futbol’s Diedris Drogba~!!!
Then again the eagles are going into free agency having ditched its two starting corners, and clearing a gazillion dollars worth of Cap space,… which basically put every top CB on notice that there is wide open starting spots open at your position from a respected franchise that won 10 games the last two years and has a ton of cap space to spend…
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Maragos better get on the damn phone and torture Maxwell every day from now til free agency starts..
what is it with McCoy not being happy. I don’t buy at all that it’s because he is from PA. That is BS. Man up.
This has to have played a small part in Chip’s decision.
i dont have words to truley express how happy I am to have Kiko in Philly… this kid was born to play Defense in this city… quickily become A fan favorite..
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after 14years of andy devaluing one of my favorite position, im so thrilled with the LB corp chip will build for our 3-4
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I have a feeling Maclin and BG will be retained and then chip is going to build a defense that will electrify this city via free agency to where he wont even need to spend draft picks on defense, so he can either draft all types of offensive additions… and to be honest, if he gives me a top defense I dont care who he wants as his QB..Marriotta, he can trade Foles for the 3rd string backup Oregon QB for all I care if he gives me a defense this city can be proud of…
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one thing I like about Marriotrta… be nice to finally have a QB who actually knows how to friggin slide… the last 5 QBs would make you think sliding is harder then korean algebra….
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One thing Im really excited/curious to find out is this is an offensive Guru who LOVES to run the rock, he had one of the best in the NFL and traded him away, extremely curious to find out what a Chip kelly #1 RB looks like…
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truth is, if you want the #1 RB in the class, you can pretty much get him. Its not hard, they dont go in the top 12, so its not THat hard to trade up and secure the #1 RB in the draft…so maybe it would be a good idea to strengthen the rest of the Offense, go with Polk and sproles as the stop gap this year, have a quality roster in place so you can prioritizing trading up 5 to 10 spots so you can secure the #1 RB Zeke Eliiot…
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some good RB in this draft, but Id rather Have A year of Polk and sproles and snatch up Zeke next year, then to even be able to get abdullah, gurley or whats his name from wisonsin…
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i dont like being reliant on making sure i draft a specific player a year from now, but the only time you can actually pull that off is wit Guards and RB,. because Typically no matter how good the best one is, god chance they fall out of the top 10… so if zeke will fill to like 11 or 12, if we dont have a bunch of holes to fill next year, trading up to #12 or wherever to get the #1 RB isnt that bad… Its rare that the top guard and RB go in the top 10, so those are the only two positions and maybe center that I can count on being undervalued enough to where you can count on going into a draft and getting the #1 RB, the #1 G, or the #1 Center if you are willing to trade up a bit… very anxious to see what the dream RB looks like for the offensive genius who loves to run the ball and had the great shady McCoy for two years,.,.. he had so many diffrent style backs at Oregon that i dont really know what to think… physical football wins superbowls so i would rather go with a LaGarret Blount type instead of A kENJON Barner
aha you are starting to think Mariotta might be on the Eagles. It’s happening.
Yeah, Chip threw GE a bone, so now he can go get his QB.
give me a top ranked defense, and take care of the beast RB and top Ol…. pretty much the seahawk model, and chip can have any QB he wants… if i have a chance to consistently see my beloved defense hold teams under 17-20 points a game, he can have whatever QB he wants as far as im concerned..
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if your telling me Chip will get Marriotta and put him in a similar position that Wilson is in seattle.. Id be thrilled to get whatever QB chip wants… i wasnt happy that i didnt think we would ever truly spend in free agency… but if we cleared all this cap, and will be aggressive and actually show willingness to use our money for once…then its a different discussion and we can end up with a championship paying Marriotta cheap rookie money the next 5 years like seattle did and spend the QB money on a stacked roster… but if you wont spend the money I see no point, and would rather have foles
I am starting to think it might be worth the time to teach your iPad to spell his name.
this is all the exact opposite of like 99% of your posts for the last 6 months.
thought you had integrity. man, now i don’t believe in nothing no more.
GEAGLE sees the writing on the wall and doesn’t want to be on the wrong side of history.
NOT REALLY…
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but i can see value in it if we are actually going to start spending money….after this year Foles will be making what 12-15mil every year? Marriotta will be making what 5mil a year for the next 4 years atleast?… If we do go with a rookie for the next 4 years and are actually willing to spend the extra money, it gives us the chance at the seattle blueprint of taking a run at building a stacked superbow, teamns while your QB is making rookie money for the next 4 years and all the top teams we face are paying 12-15mil for a QB
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russell wilsons cheap rookie contratc played a big role in seattles success… of course its better when your rookie is a 3rd round contract instead of a top 10 salary…
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no brainer in my mind who id rather have as our QB…. but if we are going to use paying a rookie 4 years of rookie money to build a stacked roster like the seahawks did, It has more value for me then it did last week back when the eagles were known as a team that wouldnt be a major player in free agency
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if i can have a top defense, im really ok with whatever they decide to do on offense…. but there is NO debate for who my preferred QB is…. just try to see every angle of the situation is all
Harder than Korean algebra. I laughed at this.
Here’s Saints reporter saying they heard Ingram to Eagles as possibility before word of McCoy trade:
Lyons Yellin WWL-TV
@LyonsYellin
4h4 hours ago
I’ve heard rumblings about the Eagles being interested in Mark Ingram, with today’s trade those now make a whole lot more sense.
i hate him… that would really suck… i would rather give Polk 20 carries a game
it’s all about connections in the NFL.
Ingram – connection to Marynowitz
Alonso – Oregon player
Orlando Franklin – Jeff Stoutland coached him
Rahim Moore – Cory Undlin coached him
that means i get to have Dion…:)
I’d have no problem getting Jordan. I just wouldn’t give up a ton for him. His resume in the pros doesn’t warrant it.
a 5th seems fair……
Polk has the talent and attitude. Give Polk the bulk and hope he stays healthy. RB by committee is fine too , just leave Polk in on GL
damn right! im bout it bout it…
Ingram’s a good RB. Ran really hard for New Orleans last year, looked really good.
Hmmm… new shopping list. I loved Shady because he reminded me of Barry. Problem was Barry was Barry and Shady was just really good.
McCourty, Maxwell, Worilds.
I loved CJ Spiller coming out of Clemson but he is an East West guy last time I looked. Give me a One Cut and Down Hill late in the draft this year.
Tommy
i’m staring to think the iggles ALREADY have a deal in place with the titans for the 2nd pick. Tampa is definitely taking winston so titans hold the key to “MM”.
Foles and at least 3 first rd picks including should get it done.
But that means starting a rookie QB with no time to learn how to ne an NFL player. It could destroy him, like Geno and possibly EJ.
Between Kiko and Kendricks they are gonna have 25+ tackles a game
some teams might have as good of an ILB tandem… but no one a much better young ILB tandem then we do…. i cant believe we got him… he exceeds my wildest Erik Kendrick dreams,,.,so excited, after 14 years of LB hell, im going to be watching Barwin, Kendricks, Kiko, Marcus and another edge rusher or two….. so happy, excited, anxious!
those 2 are going to get speeding tickets
i like how feroicious and intense they both are as well
the crazy thing is we didn’t spend big money to get him, we got him at cost control for 3 years AND freed up about $20M of cap space. This is a Hinkie move.
Yup…truly an awesome trade. Everyone will miss shady, but I don’t fear having to replace a RB especially one making like 12mil. I’m shocked we got more theh a 4th for shady. So excited for Kiko/Kendricks
Maybe they make a move for Worilds? I don’t think Smith is ready just yet. They should bring in a vet and keeping feeding MS2 the playbook
SF comes to mind but your def right
So is Maclin gone? I think chip doesn’t want to pay high priced skill position players at all.
I’m ok with Maclin around $9-$10 mill
Would chip pay a product of his system that much when he can get a rookie to put up numbers?
we are already have (2) young WR’s, we need some veteran persence at some point
MAC isn’t happy with those numbers. I think if it was in that ballpark they might have come to agreement.
I still expect him to stay with us and will be surprised if chip lets him walk…always said I would so much rather lose shady then Mac and I’m hoping Chip feels the same… If Chip really is planning on Marriotta, might be a good idea to have a quality veteran like Maclin to be there for the kid…and it sends a terrible message to your young players to not keep Maclin because he played too well on the prove it deal we signied him to…
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My money is still on BG and Maclin staying and possibly even Sanchez wh c in thee
Djax and Shady didn’t play well for chip?
Doesn’t look like BG comes back.
why do you say that when we are scheduled to talk with him later this week? our point of view probably changed a bit since we last talk now that we couldnt agree to a restructure with Trent…. for us to be so ok with losing BG, i assumed Cole would have to be retained.
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i wont be the least bit surprised to see them give him 2-30mil in guarentees but write the contract so he gets most of it the next two years and we can easily get out of the deal after two years … but no reason why we have to be desperate with a plethora of edge rush talent scheduled to hit the open market
Hopefully they strike a deal with Mac some time soon, they’re really stalling. Instead of letting the market set, it’s best the Eagles just set the market themselves and securing their #1 receiver.
To recap this trade we got:
$13.6 million in cap space (Shady and Meco)
A young LB who if healthy can give us a pair that rivals Bowmann/Willis and KJ/Wagner.
The draft has 10-15 guys who can be lead backs in a rotation or better.
Another 15-20 solid rotational backs.
Do you think this makes moving up for Winston or Mariota a forgone conclusion?
gotta wait until FA, we have tons of holes to fill.
Bingo. But the Chip plan is pretty clear. We will see whether he can score in FA.
Hint: Don’t bet against Chip’s success in anything.
i’d be weary the way he trades / cuts the productive players on his team.
The conventional wisdom is dump your veterans a year too soon rather than a year too late though.
We aren’t going up for Winston.
I do think Mariotta could be a stronger possibility tonight than I did 24 hours ago.
Definitely. I agree.
If chip kelly coming into power means that we will start spending real money In fee agency and sign some real quality the QB conversation changes a bit. Before today I had no confidence that we would pay for high quality players of other teams so I wasn’t interested in the benefits of cap space…
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But say chip builds a top defense spending money In free agency this year to where we have the ingredients for a top 10 defense without even drafting any defenders, that Qb discussion Changes. Say we build our top defense in fee agency, trade for Marriotta and add some other offense in the draft, if we are actually going to spend money marriotta becomes way more attractive to me, because that’s the blueprint for Seattle Super Bowl, get a QB on a rookie contract and the 15million u saving not paying a veteran QB is 15mil extra you can build a stronger team with… So if we start going all in and are willing to start spending for quality, not paying Foles and getting 4-5yrs of marriotta on rookie salary is a big part of how Seattle won a Super Bowl…
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So if we will aggressively spend money now, the question is no longer Foles vs. Marriotta. The question becomes Foles vs. Marriotta and 15mil vs of extra talent upgrade in addition to Marriotta… And That becomes a real discussion. But as long as we dobt do anything major with our cap space, I’d raft her pay Foles then to go with a rookie
Eagles will look to be really aggressive in FA with all the cap space now. A lot of holes will be filled hopefully
As much as it hurts me to see Shady go as I love him as a player, I have been thinking who can replace him?
Ive come up with one name that keeps coming back to me. Adrian Peterson. I think we could add him for cheap. And no one can deny his physical style of running wouldnt be a breath of fresh air. And we would still have Sproles to catch balls out of the backfield and be a change of pace finess RB when we need one.
Steal AP from jerry jones and I’ll spontaneously combust from too much joy
he will not be cheap. Chip isn’t getting rid of one expensive RB to get another. He is going the Belicheck way.
AP is willing to restructure to facilitate a trade.
restructure does not mean play for cheap money.
Did you not see the pics of abuse he did to his son? No thanks!
I agree.
Melvin Gordon
Ameer Abdullah
Duke Johnson
Tevin Coleman
Jay Ajayi
David Johnson
Jeremy Langford
David Cobb
TJ Yeldon
Mike Davis
Buck Allen
Good draft for RB’s, muhahahahhaah!!!!!!!!!
that’s just the draft guys. lots of good FAs out there too.
Should’ve seen this coming…
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Shady has 2, maybe 3, years left of being an elite RB. Marshall Faulk’s a good comparison if you want to look at it stats-wise. Faulk dropped off huge after year 8. Shady is entering year 7. It’s better to trade him now while we could get something than later when we can’t. I would’ve liked a draft pick thrown in the trade, but I think the Eagles will have the better end of the deal in the long run. It just might not look that way immediately.
Hope this doesn’t mess anything up. Apparently McCoy is very hurt and angry. I understand that. This was a shock to everyone. He said he played HS, college, and Pros in PA and he doesn’t want that to change. He then went and said he is going to make this as difficult as possible so it doesn’t happen. I just hope he doesn’t become such a headachebthat the Bills just say never mind.
I read Bills are bracing for that. Screw him. This is childish. No one gets to stay in Pa. That is BS, I think he wanted more guaranteed money and a restructuring. This is about money.
And this is partly why he is gone. Immature.
not really, he’s a superstar and he did everything he was supposed to do, league leading rusher year 1, top 5 (think he was 3rd) year two.
I think if a similar thing happen in our lives we’d be equally pissed.
Especially to Buffalo, I can’t think of the amount of money they’d have to pay me to move to Buffalo because whatever it is I still don’t think it would be enough.
Yeah. I just said in a comment a few seconds ago that this seems as thought it was leaked by someone. I don’t think this is something the Eagles wanted out till days from now.
When you said they are bracing for it do you mean that Rex is ready to embrace him in a big bear hug? Maybe Rex will get a tattoo of Shadys face on his arm. Or maybe Rex promised he would tickle his feet due to his strange foot fetish. When I think what he has done and said over the years I start to realize he is a very strange man.
He’s gonna mess around and get himself blackballed.
My thinking also. He seems immature at times. If he goes about this the wrong way both franchises may be upset. If he did somehow stop this from happening I could see Chip cutting him. He wouldn’t keep him around if he messed this up. At that point he wouldn’t find the same contract somewhere else. Someone really messed this up and leaked it way to early. This wreaks like something that wasn’t supposed to be released till a later point for this reason exactly.
Chip shouldn’t cut him. Chip should call Goodell, find a way to get his money off the cap, and then keep Shady’s contract on the books, but don’t allow him to play. If he wants to stay in PA so badly, then cool. But you don’t cave and give him what he wants.
no player is happy about getting traded, i’m sure he’ll live. It just happened today, of course he’ll be upset.
Yeah like I said I understand he is upset. Anyone would be. He probably feels betrayed which is one of the worst feelings you can have. It’s just that ALOT of players get traded. Not many come straight out and say that they are going to make this as difficult as possible and try and screw it up.
he didn’t say that his friend said it. Regardless not a lot of stars get traded like that, how many #25 jerseys got sold – when you think of the eagles you think of those guys, i think it’s just a paradigm shift from the Andy Reid to the Billy Belicheat method.
Do you have a link for this?
Like this?
Not GPS enough. Static map?
Hey Shady, Buffalo is only ~70 miles from PA, not so bad. Look on the bright side it could have been San Diego…
If your asking if I made it up no I didn’t. It was an alert sent to my phone from either ESPN or Bleacher Report. Forget which one. However it would be VERY easy for you to find considering this is headline news. Simply go to Google. Type in something like McCoy upset over trade and I’m sure you can find it pretty easily. This is a comment section, not a college report. I don’t need to include my references. You have the ability to look it up.
Wow! You sure wasted a lot of time in your response with no actual useful information.
I think Josina Anderson reported it.
But I did. I gave you very simple information on how to find it. Don’t blame me for your laziness or inability to do so. I’m not your secretary. If someone says something and i want to look into it then I look it up and look into it. The info I gave you to look it up was actually very useful, if you did it you would have found it. Obviously your one of those people that need to have their hand grab and brought to where you want to go instead of just following directions.
If he blocks the deal it will cost him $9.75 mil and he then can be cut. So, if he wants to get payed he’ll move to Siberia, I mean Buffalo.
Now that the trade is in the works… i hope it goes through.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2384288-lesean-mccoy-reportedly-unhappy-about-being-traded-to-bills
basically someone called up one of LeSean’s friends and the friend said that Shady is bummed and then added, “but it sounds pretty final to me unless he’s gonna refuse to go to Buffalo or something”
Then when pressed to answer whether LeSean would accept the trade, the friend said, I’m sure he’s not gonna make it easy.
So talking to one of his random friends and asking him a ridiculous question like, “is LeSean going to accept this.” Because, as we know, LeSean has zero leverage whatsoever at this point and what’s he going to do, throw a temper tantrum and just show up to Eagles Training Camp and hope they just go, oh well, fine we’ll keep you…the friend gave an off the cuff remark and that becomes, LeSean McCoy planning on blocking trade and Buffalo is preparing for the worst.
Jernst… that was an awesome recap of the story!
Thank you! Much Respect!
Buffalo is what, 2 blocks from being in Pennsylvania?
5 hours from Harrisburg. He’s being childish.
“He’s being childish.” It’s obviously a business but he’s got a point. It’s not like CHIP called him a week ago and said you may get traded to the artic tundra.
That said — he wanted that $11m, he might get some of it now. CK gives 0 fucks about loyalty.
Shady will get his money… right?
unclear, it’s not guaranteed.
as of now, without it being official and terms, shady contract, as of now, will pay him the same as if he was an Eagle this season… correct?
Yes.
Thanks!
If he wants to play for the equivalent to the dead money. Fine. He can stay.
He can retire from football.
Otherwise, it’s part of the sport. He knew that when he signed his contract. But throwing a tantrum because you got traded, get over it.
he saw djax last year — at least we were smart enough to get him out of the division / conference.
Tell him that.
I think that Chip absolutely hated last season and it is burning a hole through him. All these moves are not for next year but the next 5 years. Making sacrifices right now to build the program exactly how he wants it.
The thing is I don’t really see any sacrifices. All the cuts so far were bound to happen. That’s just normal business in the NFL. As far as cuts he hasn’t done anything special or new. The one thing that obviously was huge and unexpected is the Shady deal. I don’t think it’s a sacrifice. I think it’s a brilliant move in which we are getting the best of it. We saved money with it to use on homegrown talent or spend on FA. We get a young stud LB for cheap which was a huge need. It allows us to cut Ryans which also saves money. It’s a deep RB draft. Shady doesn’t have that many good years left. I love Shady and his ability but it would be nice to have a 1 cut and go back. I don’t see any sacrifices here. I see common sense moves with one brilliant move added that can benefit the team in sooo many ways immediately.
I agree up to the last sentence. I think these moves are more of a half step back for next season, but will pay dividends in for years to come.
How so? Yes Shady is gone. I.feel confident we can find a RB that can be at minimum average to above average. That’s your biggest hit. The D just got upgraded at ILB. Williams wasn’t cut so we could find someone worse, and Fletcher and Allen didn’t walk so we could replace them with worse. Herremans hasn’t been exactly lights out in recent years. The money saved from cut players is more then likely going to resigning our guys and FAs. Overall the team is upgrading.
so much money.
Lol it cost us so much money to hold onto these under achieving players with large contracts. So we cut them and sign players that are younger and better and deserve the contracts. A few of these FA will initially cost less then what some of the guys we cut were going to get paid this year.
On the plus side, I am stoked about our linebackers. Barwin, Alonso, and Kendricks are all studs. If Graham stays, I would be pumped. Doubt it though, so we just need one more to round out a fearsome group. At least Chip values linebackers more than Andy ever did.
If Graham doesn’t stay I think it would be Worilds. I would rather have BG, but if not I’ll be happy with Worilds. Birds had interest in him last off season. Of course it would be nice if Smith ends up being a good player. To add, you better value LBs in the 3-4. That’s what makes the 3-4 work.
Smith would have made things so much more convenient if he played well last year.
Very true
These moves all happening on the same day, just before free agency starts, have to be a little bit about sending a message to agents, too: We are not messing around, we do not want to dance, we do not want to posture. We will ask you once, maybe, but that is all you get.
There’s also the signal that they are ready to make some moves, not just to find players to compete for a spot, but to find starters.
I bet they won’t sign the big free agents everyone is expecting. It will be more of the strategy they followed in year 1. Youngish players who are hungry to get better, not established players whose potential has peaked.
More Connor Barwin types than Bradley Fletcher types, please.
You don’t clear 50 million in cap space for no reason. They are clearly going to be committing to some huge contracts.
I agree that is logical and I could absolutely be wrong. However, signing a bunch of guys to huge contracts to fill all the holes we just punched in the roster, doesn’t feel like Chips style. Kiko is young, cost controlled, and will hopefully only get better. The eagles haven’t signed a guy to a huge contract since Chip came here. Obviously that could change but I think he wants to lay a long term foundation, which isn’t typically accomplished by signing dudes to huge contracts.
There is a cap floor. At some point they are going to have to spend the money.
They definitely will spend money. Maclin will be a nice chunk of change. They also need to resign Cox, Kendricks and Thorton. They can definitely afford a maxwell or McCourty and will likely sign one. I think what I am suggesting is more Barwin type players and contracts (not dirt cheap but not overly expensive) that have the potential to have a reward greater than the investment over a number of years.
Agreed.
Signing Maclin will eat $8mil into our cap space, re-upping Cox and Kendricks will take up another $10mil. Brandon Graham or some other 3-4 OLB will take another 7-8 mil at least. Add in guys like Thornton, some rotational guys at the bottom of the roster and you’ll use another 5. That leaves us with $20 mil to sign two starting CBs and a Safety. I expect at least 2 big signings in the secondary (Maxwell and McCourtey, maybe). That’s not some unreasonable or unfathomable free agency spree to redo almost your entire secondary.
Yeah I just said something similar below. I guess I’m back tracking a little. I should have said that I would not be surprised if they didn’t go after the big fish and went after a multitude of targets a tier below. Basically I am suggesting these moves are more about the future long term future than next season.
At the rate the cap increases i’d try to wait to give the young’uns a deal. Cox, who will be most expensive will be subject to that 5th year option, right? Thorton i’m not worried about. Kendricks will get paid, but shouldn’t be expensive.
Unclear what we do with BG. reports weren’t good this afternoon.
We have to commit to the 5th year option this summer. Cox would get paid $7.5 mil in 2016.
I’d also argue that you want to extend early with cap rate increasing. I want to extend a player now under a $143 million dollar cap, not in a couple years when it’s $160 million.
Kendricks is also going to be far more expensive than you think. He’s going to get at least $8 mil per year.
http://overthecap.com/position/inside-linebacker
True — depends on pricing i guess.
As much as I loved and appreciated the talent that shady brought to us fans, we need help on defense badly. This is only the beginning of the true overhaul, and I’m a little excited as to what Chip really wants to do with this team. No more Howie holding him back. We are either going to sink or swim with this Man running the show. And if you where going to replace a player like shady this draft class would be the one to do it in. I’d like Spiller but I hate how misses games with minor dings always, but sign him and draft a back in the 3rd or 4th rd and I’m good with a 3 back rotation
Spiller is a complimentary back. He bounces to the outside ALOT which would drive Chip nuts.
He drives me crazy wit his lack of availability.. I don’t think he’s ever played a full 16
2 years all games played, one year 15 games player, 1 year 4 games played, last year 8 games played. Not terrible. Nick Foles status some might say.
I don’t think he has either.
For those not familiar with Alonso’s game:
Top 100 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpHM0dp15es
College highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I-qW9QiEfg
If you posted…I missed it..your thoughts on this trade?
Traded an overpriced declining asset for a promising cost controlled asset.
13.7 in cap room generated by the trade as well.
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The top of your page really needs work, Tommy. Perhaps during Easter?
Been thinking that for so long now, lol.
Glad you stood up and said something!
Yeah, I guess I didn’t rise to occasion on that one.
Is there any reason for Miami not to entertain trade offers for Dion Jordan? If Chip can pull off trading Curry for Jordan, holy s*%#!!
Maybe we want him more then Chip does for whatever reason. Possibility.
They would eat 6.7 mil in dead money
Those costs are already sunk though. It’s just a matter of handling the cap.
Right, but it’s a one year rental.
That’s alot of cap space
Ahhh…That would be a good reason. D3FB coming through with the knowledge like always.
They should be able to take that on in trade nba style
But are they getting 6.7 mil in value with how they are using him? If they could get a player they can use effectively, wouldn’t that outweigh the dead money hit?
But is one year of a rotational pass rusher worth 6.7 mil if they still see value in Dion?
If they still think Dion is worth that kind of money, then of course not. The question really is how much they still value Dion. What they paid for him already is no longer the issue; they’re stuck with the cap hit from the bonus either way. If we’re talking specifically about Curry as the return, I don’t really know if that will get it done. There would however be the unusual situation where a sign and trade would make sense: the Eagles extend Curry, eat the bonus, then trade him to Miami. That would create dead money on this side of the trade and make it a more attractive asset for Miami.
You’re also talking about 10-15 million dollars for us to eat. That wouldn’t make sense. It would just make more sense for them to talk to Curry and his agent during trade negotiations.
However guys picked as high as Dion were almost always get camp in year 3 as their final chance to prove themselves.
Enough with the dion nonsense. He’s just a guy at this point and not very likely to be a trade piece. Look at the obvious options first, nothing’s impossible but he just seems like draft day name fodder still hanging around.
Curry for Jordan would be us being hosed over really badly. Curry has a lot more value. Curry is a good young player. Jordan sucks balls. Can you see the difference?
LB corp should be pretty solid if they manage to sign Jason Worilds and continue Marcus Smiths development. Gonna be a fun offseason, fellas.
I’m thinking Worilds is almost a foregone conclusion at this point.
My personal position is that this makes me uncomfortable with Chip Kelly as our coach/GM. There are the usual blowhards talking smack about someone on the way out, but McCoy isn’t really a trivial player, in the sense that he commands attention from the defense. Mind you, McCoy was always one of Vick’s side effect RBs, but he developed in those pleasant climes, and he’s still a very good RB. I do not view Kiki Alonso as an equitable trade. And no, I don’t care about the cash freed up. If there’s one thing I’ve learned about bad franchises, it’s that they are perpetually having lots of space under the cap, and otherwise do lots of cap freeing. They also trade draft picks for bigger amounts of draft picks. For all of that, they usually have trouble getting good FA and coaching the players they draft. So I don’t want the cap space. I want more than Alonso, or somebody better than Alonso. If a pick comes with that, say a second rounder, I think I can barely be okay with that.
Next one’s on me!
I don’t think you want an acl.
alcohol is ok with me.
good tea? Have lots of it!
I’m currently drinking the dyslexic batch.
More seriously though, even if he’s perfectly healthy, a player like Alonso has a pretty high chance of busting, performance-wise–which is why I’m nonplussed.
Oh, I don’t agree. When he’s been healthy he’s looked terrific. Health is the big thing with him though.
My understanding is that he was more like a free safety version of LB. In philly, he will most certainly have to be a more disciplined backer. Not sure how well that adjustment goes. I mean, for example Revis is a HoF CB, but he looked pretty out of it in Tampa with his recovery from ACL and poor scheme fit.
He’s a LB that can cover / play in space which is what we need, given that he played in oregon and we run the same scheme i think chip knows what he’s getting. Also can be the dime backer.
Chip knows him really well.
Azz knows him really well.
Michael Clay who was his running mate at LB in Eugene, probably knows him better than all but a few people on the planet, is a member of the coaching staff as well.
Yeah, but people who pick people who they know really well tend to not have a great mix of talent because they aren’t that clearsighted about the full range of human resources possibilities. All of this Oregon shtick makes me think that Kelly might be pretty intellectually lazy when it comes to finding players he is comfortable with/or dealing with players that aren’t particularly about Kelly…
It’s a trade. They found a willing trade partner. Kikio is a good inside LBer, was in the ROY / DPY convo in 2013 and he has experience in the scheme. I see what you’re saying but in the context of a trade i can’t get mad.
trade doesn’t have to happen, though…
You’d rather keep the salary and complain about him hitting the hole during the season. Watching him get vultured by Polk, watch him get sat on 3rd downs for Sproles? Writing was on the wall with that one.
Or it’s minimizing variables.
He was a second round pick which for an off ball linebacker is pretty high. Let’s not act like he’s some 7th round scrub that Kelly just traded for.
Sure, minimizing is okay, but we’re talking now, a ton of players, a missed draft pick or two, and now trades
It’s not minimizing one or two. It sounds like Kelly is prioritizing comfort over wide net or effective interpersonal skills with his players. If that image is what other players in the NFL is getting…eh, this could be rather problematic.
A ton of players? You mean from Oregon? Huff, Alonso, Hart. It’s a good school with good players, why not draft from there. On top of all of that, they all look like they can be very good players. Who care if they are from Oregon?
MSII is the player he missed on. How is a player from the AAC is “comfort”?
Huff was hurt but showed plenty of flashes.
Hart was a 5th round pick.
#Duckbias has yet to hurt the team.
A player he “missed” on.
He’s one of those guys who seems to have an uncanny knack for being around wherever the play is going to be.
It also makes me feel even worse about the MSIII pick…
They play totally different positions, but ok.
I mean, I get what you’re saying, but you realize MSIII was put in a number of LB (well, at least two) spots, and wasn’t good enough to be immediately out there. And any spot he could have taken up on the LB crew would have allowed for even better targeting of defensive talent.
Except for OLB and ILB in our defense are extremely different. He was simply moved inside because of numbers. I mean if he could have moved to TE and been an all-pro that would be awesome but it’s no more reasonable to expect that from him.
Yeah, really Brandon Graham coming in and playing much better than expected was a big part of what happened to MSII.
how do you figure? Year 1 was pretty good.
Agree on his worth as a player but his value as a trade is always less. You’re dreamin thinking teams would or should offer more
Well, alot of that is just bullshit. Good running backs are very valuable–purely by dint of being the guy that touches the ball the second most times on offense. We have a talk culture on how RBs are oh so replaceable, and how passing is so much better–but we have it because the NFL effectively decided that that Dusty Baker mentalities wrt RBs are a collective good. So force them to work cheap off their rookie deal, run them into the ground, dispose. And, well, that’s really not a healthy attitude to have about the running game.
They are so important that
Shady
Marshawn
Peterson
Last years rushing champ
are all going to be playing on different teams in August.
Well…
I think perhaps you should turn that around. Do you think that having so many switch teams like that is particularly functional behavior?
huh?
don’t bother…common sense waived bye bye long time ago….
Mott the Hoople and the game of Life, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah …
I agree but GMs don’t seem to or at least conventional thinking at this time per perceived value of RBs. I think that will swing back at some point. I’m a huge shady fan and think he still has a few years left in tank.. Im torn, I see the value of kiko in terms of teams overall offensive rankings so need to bolster D. I use the reverse argument for wanting to resign Maclin though. Without Maclin it’s too much on O to overcome, now minus shady ouch..
yeah there was the what if mac + shady + djax, offense would be so crazy. Then we lost djax, and offense was fine, even with cooper’s regression. But D was getting pummeled. Playoff teams have good defenses, i’m sure that’s not lost of Kelly.
Man, you’re fundamentally not understanding the NFL marketplace.
saying that the marketplace is a social construct and not necessarily perfectly correlated with value.
Value, by it’s very definition, has no meaning outside the social construct. It’s an entirely subjective concept.
Value in the marketplace is based on supply and demand, not the perceived “value” of someone neither supplying nor demanding. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how economies work.
Except that that’s the exact same attitude that the most successful teams in the league have, including the most recent SuperBowl teams.
is this like teachers should get paid more?
You mean the coach that has won 20 games his first 2 seasons in the NFL…the coach that led how many players to career seasons?
Whom would your rather have as coach right now???
Bruce Arians.
Because I love when my coach whines alot in the press, and sounds like the angry old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn.
Would love to see Arians grow a Kelce beard and rock the John Lennon specs for his pressers…
Bruce Arians is a hell of a coach though, i dind’t want to admit that but he does a lot w/ a little in a tough division.
It’s a risky move, sure, but getting rid of a high-salary RB just at the beginning of his decline is part of the basic roster management 101 class.
I’m shocked, shocked that you feel negatively about this trade.
Well that seals it. If Shah hates it then it must be a great trade.
According to BGN doesn’t sound like they tried to contact him about restructuring.
Well restructuring him and then trading him would be retarded so yeah that makes sense.
What anon is saying is this didn’t come about after failed negotiations about his contract. The trade was the original intention, not the fallback of failed negotiations.
Bills sources were saying this trade happened in the span of 20 minutes of talking. Wasn’t time to even text McCoy.
Yes, as in the Eagles decided to shop McCoy.
Not the eagles went to Shady with a restructure, he told them to stick it, and then they went to trade.
No as in the bills made a phone call and shady was never involved in his future.
Isn’t that always the case with player trades…
If my fat fingers were trying to text, yes.
Eagles informed OLB Trent Cole of his release.
The sides had been working on a revised deal, but couldn’t come to an agreement. The move frees up a whopping $8.425 million in cap space, but leaves the Eagles thin on edge rushers. A longtime defensive end, Cole transitioned to a 3-4 outside linebacker for coach Chip Kelly, and notched 14.5 sacks across 31 games. That includes 6.5 in 2014. Cole is going on 33, but his continued production and scheme versatility will earn him plenty of interest on the open market. Cole has spent his entire 10-year career with the Eagles.-roto
I understand why this happened, and slightly excited about the potential.
I am also concerned that we’ve gotten rid of our two biggest gamebreakers in the past year and Maclin is still unsigned.
It’s either pure genius or our franchise is in trouble for a while.
I too, really hope Maclin is getting resigned. I can understand why Desean was cut and I can even understand McCoy especially for the compensation. Idk if Maclin goes though.
Here, here.
Part of me hates this trade.
Because I spent 3 hours on Monday writing up Stephone Anthony.
Damnit.
LOL, I was just going to tell you, “hey, so glad I got to read that write up before we got Kiko!” Meh, should still help me learn about the game. I liked Anthony too.
As the realization of wasted work sat in…
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Maybe you can just do a Kiko write up, maybe a Mariota one since that’s going to be the only relevant player….
With each passing day it seems more and more likely
Part of me wonders why we’re not getting more than Kiko. I’d take Bryce Brown back with Kiko!!
interesting
There’s also the fact that there’s nothing to manufacture with Kiko gone, considering he was gone all last year and they still had a great defense.
Eagles play the Bills this year. In Philly. Better get your tickets.
What if Kiko just shuts down McCoy? Better get your popcorn and soft pretzels too!
crab fries, butterscotch krumpets, and some ritas water ice.
i heard the chicken fingers are great.
Mmmmmmm…http://bit.ly/1B61MBN
On a related note: When I was on my honeymoon in Mexico, I drank many a rita. So tasty. Actually, now that I think of it, nothing sounds better than going to Philly and watching the Eagles/Bills game with popcorn, soft pretzels and some authentic margaritas.
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Can I buy a vowel?
This is a a shitty move. Saves cash and gives you another former Duck. But Tommy in the good old times critique on a higher level was your thing. Now your blog feels more like Dave Spadaro’s blog. Would love to read more of the old Tommy.
I’d like to read why you think it is so shitty!
sad to see him go but the move makes sense. shady was owed a ton of money and RB is the most replaceable position in the league (not to say you can replace shady that easily).
good night sweet prince you will be missed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_2oA8kEdzE
(my favorite mccoy moment)
I hope they keep Coughling abour for another 100 years. I will never tire of that look on his face when we kick the shit out of his piss poor teams.
Looks like the Mariota deal is coming sooner than we thought. Brandon Lee Gowton and maybe Jimmy K. are connecting the dots.
BLG mentions tonight that the Redskins-Rams deal happened before free agency in 2012.
Just to be clear, I have no info on Chip’s time line. However, the drum beats are getting much louder.
Mariota shouldn’t go #1 he’s not the best player or qb in the draft. So a trade up to that spot makes no sense.
best player vs most valuable player
Only reason for the Titans not to take him IMO would be if they got an offer of multiple picks to trade down. That still leaves a risk of Tampa nabbing him.
Makes sense that both the Eagles and the Bucs know before FA what they are getting in the draft.
Also makes sense why Winston had already meet with the Bucs
Ok, I’ll ask — connecting what dots? So far, the Eagles released a ton of cap space and have more holes than when the season started. What does that have to do with a Mariota deal? If people are saying, we’re clearing up cap space to sign a bunch of FA, well, ok, that’s a given. There are no guarantees, at all, that the Eagles get the men they want at safety/cb/edge/guard/wr. Until those holes are filled prior to the draft, I don’t see how the move would be possible.
(anyone else making your statement, I’d call bologna — but it’s you and it’s scaring me…lol)
Updated plan from Jimmy K:
http://media.phillyvoice.com/media/images/Eagles_offseason_updated_2.focus-none.width-800.PNG
But what should we tell the children who own McCoy jerseys?
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?!?!?!
CHIP IS A MONSTER!
Haha, I feel for the parents having to explain to their little ‘uns about fiscal responsibility and good salary cap management. And that party buses should always offer return tickets.
I explained to my son tonight, that the player he so desires and wears the jersey of once a week, is no longer a member of our beloved franchise. He seemed pretty confused, he’s 6, but will continue to bleed green for whomever Chip replaces Shady with. The past two years when he’s been Special Person in class, he’s proclaimed his passion for the Eagles and how Cut-On-Dime was his favorite player, while everyone in Denver is about PFM. Not sure what jersey I feel safe buying for him, now that this has happened.
GOAT#81
Buy him a Mariota when we trade up for him
COX!!!!
We will just add it to the Nnamdi, McNabb, and Samual jerseys in the corner of the closet. Ominously, Maclin will be the only one left on a hanger.
I’ve joked in the past that I was the mush. Years ago, it started with R. Whites jersey. I bought Stewart Bradley’s jersey. I’ve since bought McNabb, DJ and Vicks. To be sure, I never got Shady’s number so it wasn’t me :).
do me a favor, go buy a Nate Allen Jersey tomorrow just to be sure!!!! heck ill pay for it…
do the right thing here.
buy a riley jersey.
This is a fucking great trade. I love Shady, but he is getting old and Kiko is one of my favorite LBs to watch in 2013
Kiko+Mychal will be super nice to watch next year behind our great DL
friggin HYPE!!!!!!!!!
I also think people overreacting to how players on the team will react. Remember this is business and even if players feel attached, they still understand its a business in the end.
This is also why players should never take a home town discount or any other crap fans want em to do. Just chase the money because NFL teams aint loyal at all.
Eagles informed OLB Trent Cole of his release.
The sides had been working on a revised deal, but couldn’t come to an agreement. The move frees up a whopping $8.425 million in cap space, but leaves the Eagles thin on edge rushers. A longtime defensive end, Cole transitioned to a 3-4 outside linebacker for coach Chip Kelly, and notched 14.5 sacks across 31 games. That includes 6.5 in 2014. Cole is going on 33, but his continued production and scheme versatility will earn him plenty of interest on the open market. Cole has spent his entire 10-year career with the Eagles.-roto
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cole had his chance to restructure after being overpaid for years… maybe he should have opened his eyes and looked around at all the beast OLBs in their prime on the market and been more willing to sign a fair contract reflecting his 33yr old ability…. i dont feel bad for Cole… he had his chance to restructure, obviously he was unreasonable or he would be here
Cole wasnt overpaid for years. This is the first ever his cap hit went over 10 million. We got elite DE play for Cole while he was making 5 mill per year.
i think we can do better….and if you had to replace a 33yr old at his position, this is the market to do it… there will never be a better edge rusher market then this one… a 33yr old who was making 11mil and blockingour young talent from reaching that level should have seen the writing on the wall… he has been paid more then fair by the eagles, he has his hunting shows,… i dont want to hear about disrespect from a 33yr old in the Not For Long League… he isnt some naive, 23yr old rookie
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I really hope we sign Jerry Hughes or keep Graham.
dude that would be soooo bad ass… allegedly we will talk to BG’s people again this week.
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cole deserves to be remembered as an excellent eagle and a class act… but a 33yr old who we were trying to work out ways to maybe let him retire as an eagle, shouldnt be talking about disrespect, obviously he didnt want to retire an eagle THAT bad…
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we have treated much better and with more respect then a similar player in his position dwight freeney has been treated the last few years… im dissapointed that cole is going to make this a bad divorce… he should be able to understand our point of view and the reality oft he situation
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you know why i dont want to lose BG? seems to have developed a real knack for forcing fumbles, and not just sack fumbles on an unprotected QBs, he is learning to get good at punching the ball out of RBs hands… he has improved the last few years with the snaps he was given, hate to lose him before really seeing what he can do in a bigger role.. i believe in his ability, heart and work ethic… be happy not to lose BG
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cole wasnt talking that no respect shit when his boy herremans was cut
Anders, reading your inputs I have to tell you that there is something creepy going on here. You share my name and my nationality. Im pretty sure we are the same age. We root for the same team. And we completely agree on almost everything eagles-related. Are you stalking me, or is it the other way around? I’m just very confused..
Haha, we have to be awesome to share such a great name and root for such a great team, so I guess its just that
Yep, he signed an early extension(in 2006) when that was still allowed. He was underpaid for years. I didn’t feel too badly because he and his agent freely signed the deal, but the extension in 2012 was more of a thank you for your past service than an indication of his past performance. That isn’t good from a salary cap perspective but I think that was instigated by Reid trying to make his older veterans happy to improve team chemistry. Banner was scuttled out and suddenly we were willing to reward vets. There’s a very fine line between good salary cap management and paying your players at a fair rate.
Well all the money in that deal first came this season and next, so he never got them
thats a very fair post… good stuff
https://twitter.com/MatthewFairburn/status/572914260411604993
He’s as old as Shady and has been injured more. Sure Spiller is faster but man he can’t stay healthy.
After watching a lot of buffalo games to scout Kiko I want nothing to do with Spiller. Jackson was a MUCH better back.
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I’m afraid and excited to see what Chip does. He’s destroying the foundation of this team and rebuilding it. He has limited options and might learn the hard way that it’s a lot harder to overhaul a team with a few prime options.
That said..I would have felt a better if we could have signed Houston as a FA. Houston/Kendricks + Alonso/Barwin. Nasty.
I wouldnt call Shady a foundation consider he is a RB.
Chip values QB and OL on offense, which is also what Andy Reid valued and it makes sense that WR/TE/RB is a lot less valueble if you have great QB and OL.
Regarding cuts, none of the player cut was a foundation for anything.
[…] Shady Trade – Iggles BlitzThe Eagles add cap space. That could be significant it the team wants to be very active in free agency. The secondary was a mess last year. The Eagles could try to fix that with some star additions. Being in active in free agency would give the team freedom in the draft…in case they want to trade up for someone…like a star QB that Chip Kelly recruited and developed. The move also helps the defense. Kelly can work his magic on an offense, but the defense needs talent. Alonso is a poor man’s Luke Kuechly. He has range and instincts. He immediately makes the middle of the field less vulnerable, especially on pass plays. I know some are going to hate (HATE) this deal. The funny thing is that my buddies that are Bills fans are not happy at all. They appreciate Shady’s talent, but prefer the stud LB to the RB with some wear and tear. […]
It would be a total FU to Dallas if we signed an incentive-laden contract for DeMarco Murray… but realistically, we’ll most likely draft a running back
why? they dont even want him allegedly… while Murray was carrying that cowboy trash the disrespectful owner was in his sky box taking phone calls from AP… rtaher get the RB they want to replace Murray with, then the RB the cowtrash ran halfway into the ground
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then again, I dont really expect Chip to go with a big name RB. too easy to dratf
No way I touch Murray, why sign an injury prone RB, coming of a 500 touch season that are looking for a big pay day?
So, you guys didn’t stop talking when I went to bed? That seems kinda rude.
shady was an amazing RB… one of the very best I ever had the pleasur eof rooting for as an Eagle fan..
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1 thing that has always bothered me about shady, his greatness has yet to translate n the playoffs… i see top RBs like Gore and Lynch step it up in the playoffs, shady hasnt been given many playoff opportunities, so in fairness its a limited sample size, but i have always been waiting for a monster playoff performance out of shady that would carry us to a playoff win, yet he always under performed in one way or another instead of elevating his game and having his greatest moments in the playoffs…
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ZEKE!!!! 2016!!!!!! 🙂 coming to a Linc near you?
The last 2 years, I’d take Shady over any other rb in the nfl. Nobody — nobody made defenders miss as much as him(slight bias) :). Loved me some Shady.
i dont know how anyone can not be blown away watching him run the last few years… just a highlight waiting to happen. special back for sure
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i guess losing him gives me hope that we will see a shift to a more Power style… Physical Football is still what has won the last 3 superbowls..ravens, seahawks, Pats….
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plus its easier to stomach when you get a bad ass like Kiko!!! the chuck norris of the NFL!
Giants fans are happy I’m sure…
i hear those fuckers might be contemplating taking a run at donkey kong suh… that would suck
That doesn’t seem like the Giants MO, when have they ever signed a big money FA. I can’t think of one.
agree w/ what you’re saying, we need a different kind of back.
I’m slowly shifting in favor of this trade. I don’t know anything about Alonso so the more I hear, the more I like. The injuries bother me though. And I hate to see Demeco go. Chip is definitely taking control of this team!
let me break down Kiko for you….
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if Chuck Norris and Keachlys father had sex, and had a love child thru Ronda Rousey as a surrogate… you would have KIko Alonso!!!
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Google the Legend of Kiko Alonso!!!
Can I just get Ronda Rousey lol
sure, but you will have to fight me to the death first
I love this deal. No sentimentality. I loved Shady and appreciate him but you gotta keep looking ahead. This draft is “loaded” at RB, Shady has a big contract and a lotta miles. 2014 might have been the beginning of his slip down Old Running Back Mountain and I bet Chip has some sports science data to back that up.
Frankly, I’m more sentimental about Cole being canned than Shady. I hope he finds a good team and does well.
Chip is owning this team right now. He obviously needed personnel control because what he’s about to do this offseason is going to shock the hell out of NFL stalwarts, talking heads and philly.com commenters. He’s either headed for greatness or going down in a blaze of glory!
shady didnt have the greatest year last year…chip knows the truth behind his bad year…maybe he saw a decline in ability from the year before and are trying to get ahead of the shady decline and get value for him while we can…… knowing shadys crazy contract and the fact that he will try to get an extension out of the team we traded him for, im shocked we could get more then a 4th rounder for shady let alone a young badass like Kiko!!!
There is also rumors that Shady and Kelly’s relationship soured as Shady wasnt fan of Kelly’s heavy workload on Saturdays
Kiko sure quickily made us forget about our Kendricks and Kendricks dream…. i cant believe im going to be watching Kiko and Kendricks, two intense, explosive badasses flying around the middle of our beloved historic Philly defense….so hype!!
haha yep.
If we do not trade for Mariota, my favorite at 20 is now Bud Dupree, but I doubt he gets out of the top 10
he certainly works for me… then again I would take any player with the right character who is a top 12 talent falling to 20… sherf, Dupree, fowler if we talking pipe dreams, Wayans, parker, Armstead, Shelton,
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at the end of the day, give me a kid with a legit round 1 grade and ill be happy, especially if we handle business in free agency
Its Dupree or Waynes for me in the 1st and neither is realistic at 20.
I really doubt we pick Shelton, but could see Armstead even with our DL in a great spot
shelton aint getting to 20 anyway, no point in really thnking about it… the 2nd best DT doesnt make it to 20 too often…. Duprees only hope is for like 4 edge rushers to go before him, which i have a hard time believeing since he is #2 on my list behind Fowler..
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wayans probably will be the #1 CB drafted, and the number 1 corners dont last til pick 20.. lucky if they last past #13
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Armstead def becomes in play if they are going to lose Curry after this season or trading him beforet he season… thornton cant give us the interior pass rusher, so we would need a DE with some pass rush ability behind thornton if we arent going to extend vinny.
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I like Sherff… i like Commings, but if I can have Fisher in round 2 I dont know that i love commings at 20
i thought he was mad b/c he was losing reps to polk / sproles?
wonder what the other Top Duck prospects who chip missed out on like Kyle Long or Dion are thinking these days? id give up our 1st round pick with a smile on my face to stick Kyle Long next to Lane…. no reason for the bears to trade him unfortunately…
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It’s a shame the Bills or Texans don’t have the first pick in this years draft because it’s seems like they’re always willing trade partners with us.
Texans do
Awesome trade it sucks emotionally and the media will piss on us but I got to get feelings out of the way if Kiko is healthy this is robbery now ho sign Spiller to like 2 years 7 mil and pick up an RB in the 2nd-4th round
lol im afraid to check any local media sites, check csn, and god help me if i hear philly sports radio.,.’
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i can picture now how pissed all the people must be that chip traded shady for a duck LB they barely ever heard of…. cant imagine what philly sports radio sounds like, i dont even have the balls to click on phillymag lol
I was watching Path to the draft and when it switched to Total Access they started S***ing on us and I turned it off
of course… i wouldnt expect anything less
Don’t get how people are equating the Jackson situation with McCoy at all. The Eagles essentially paid Cooper, cut Jackson, and received nothing in return. It was just a piss poor sets of thought processes and operational execution.
Eagles are gambling that Alonso can rebound (big question mark) but all of the numbers/evidence indicated that McCoy had maybe one big year left in him before he started to decline. Running backs in his situation too and his skill set often hit a wall pretty quickly tool
Eagles are obviously gambling here but I certainly like this move a lot more than what happened with Jackson. Still have no idea where Kelly is headed except that I don’t think he saw a contending team last year & instead of making incremental change is going to largely rip it up.
he got injured really early… by the time he plays more time will have passed (almost) then the sixers gave Nerlens noel to recover from ACL surgery…. all of Philly crapped on drafting/trading whatever for a 7foot special athlete having ACL surgery, we were prudent and we gave him more time to recover then most athlete gets and now Nerlens is more durable, playing more games than any Philly fan ever predicted…
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considering we can sign a perfectly healthy stud LB for 50mil who can end up blowing out his knee doing a discount double check sack celebration, really dont worry much about a football player getting like a year and a half to recover from an ACL in 2015…. if it were microfracture surgery, or the victor Cruz injury, id be much more concerned..
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someone in novacare knows a thing or two about rehabilitating ACLs after what i just watched Maclin do in his first year back from the injury
It is the 2nd traumatic injury he has had on the same knee in less than 5 years.
Recovery rates i have seen on ACL injuries for football players are 80-85% but I have to imagine that is notably lower for players who have another traumatic injury to the same knee.
I highly doubt the Eagles are getting the player Alonso was 2 years ago. The question is just how much of that player they will get.
This trade strikes me though was more about the Eagles moving on from McCoy and not having to deal with his contract situation. Alonso fills a clear need but they are gambling on what kind of player he will be next year.
*different knees
That blows that my post out of the water.
Basically the Eagles move on from McCoy, get a guy who has a small cap number since he is still on his rookie deal for another year, and figure out if he is part of their long-term plans.
3,2,1….devilsh grin should take over your face… lol
different knees…. maclin had two injuries in the same Knee, and didnt even have to wait for his second year back from the injury to shake the rust off and perform… just sayin…
The McCoy trade is the only really surprising move so far. Cole and C. Williams are obvious cap cuts. Herremans was a guy who had notably declined and was a ripe target for a cap cut move too.
I’m way more upset if we don’t resign Maclin over trading McCoy. However, I’m not really sure what their replacement plan is, because if its through the draft you would think it would be a higher drafted RB to replace McCoy which then conflicts with Mariota
agreed… always maintained i would way rather lose Shady then Maclin
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my impression of chip right now, is that he is done F’ing around and plans on trying to WIN NOW.
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we can all debate Foles vs MM til we are blue in the face, but we can all agree that those are prob our most likely options… and no matter which Kid is our QB, he is still a young developing QB, might be a good idea you give a developing young QB a top security blanket like Maclin..
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i wouldnt be comnfortable taking Mac away from the development of either QB
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we have more money then Trump right now… and NO MONEY allocated into the WR position as a whole once we cut Coop next year, i dont see any problem with paying Maclin whatever he can negotiate on the market… you are WORTH WHAT YOU CAN NEGOTIATE!!! screw the perceived value
Kiko’s 2nd arrest was not what it seems…
“Attempting to re-enter a house party, the inebriated defender had mistakenly broken into a neighbor’s residence and passed out on a couch, prompting a 911 call. The tequila-fueled episode led to a great deal of ridicule for Alonso, who was dubbed “Goldilocks” by one of his coaches. (“I deserved it,” he says now.)”
he was a knucklehead in college, but nothing crazy…. beat the crap out of a few kids, not very uncommon for a college LB dealing with alcohol and Frat boys….. its not like he is Colt Lyerla troubled…. actually the knucklheadness he displayed is kind of the nasty you look for in LB’s….
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by now we know chip wont bring scumbags or criminals who he has to worry about in the offseason into our locker room, and he knows everything he needs to know about Kiko… wouldnt worry about his character and head, its what makes him a badd ass psycho LB
this is awesome. him and Braman should get along nicely
reminds of “juice” from sons of anarchy… he would get drunk and they would dress him as a baby. with diapers, stapple a note to his nipples and leave him sleeping on the side of the road….
wow, I always thought I was the only one
after 14years oF ANDY REID not valuing LB’s which is the craziest thing I have ever heard,, i want to shed tears of joy at the kendricks and Kiko pairing..
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how the hell do you devalue the best athletes on a defense? WTF!!!! they are like Lightheavyweright fighters, bringing the power of heavyweights and the speed and athleticism of welterweights…. how do you devalue the best defensive athletes for over a decade….. So thankful for the switch to the 3-4 and a regime that understands the important of Linebackers.
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how did the Great Legion of Boom do early last year when Bobby Wagner was hurt? NIGHT AND DAY when you compare that defense with Wagner and the defense without him
Weren’t you the same poster who assured that Ryans would be back no matter what?
yup!!! that would be I
hope for the best. plan for the worst.
im still not 100% certain Meco wont be here this year…. but if you think im some infallible football Oracle, its flattering, but reality is I have been wrong before, and to let him in on a little secret, I’ll be wrong again…
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only idiots wont change their opinion no matter how much new Intel they collect…
No one thinks you’re a football oracle, but everyone thinks you’re a total douchebag for calling other fans “donkeys” for believing that Shady / Nick could be traded, Meco / Cary / Cole would be cut, only to then miraculously totally agree with those decisions when they happen. You’re already laying the groundwork to be “HYPE!!!”, or whatever, about the Nick trade.
You’re a fraud man. Just own it!
The McCoy trade in retrospect isn’t that surprising. They phased him out of parts of the passing scheme last year especially in the 2nd half, replaced him at the goal with Polk for the last few games, and were rumored more than once to want to renegotiate and revisit his contract.
Right if we want him to get less touches, maybe Sproles hits the hole faster, maybe Polk is better in the red zone, maybe Polk should get more touches generally….well, that’s not a $10M back if you are saying those things.
I don’t know why people are obsessing over Polk. He has yet to prove he can stay healthy in a very limited role, how is he going to stay healthy when he’s taking a pounding every couple plays!!
I am not obsessing. I am saying that at least I thought Shady should get less touches, and if one thinks that about a $10M RB there is something wrong. Like he isn’t worth $10M.
Turn this a little, I don’t think it’s I want Polk as much as I don’t want Shady to dance so much. You want to insert another RB who is more one cut, I’m good with that. The point was about how I like this trade b/c Shady is not all that and a bag of chips.
Obsessions wasn’t directed at you, just a lot of these posts in general. I wouldn’t mind see Frank Gore, one cut power back…but he may be gassed. Guess I need to start looking at late round draft picks after we send the farm for MM
One thing we know for sure: this is Chip’s team.
One thing we hope: Chip knows what he is doing.
More and more it seems like Kelly is going to go ‘King Lear’ & pay the king’s ransom for Mariotta
I bet that Ryan uses and abuses McCoy this year too for another 300+ carry season leading the league in carries while using McCoy regularly in the passing game too.
If he doesn’t get hurt, I see McCoy having a monster year from a production standpoint and never remotely being the same player after it.
I agree and was telling my cousin the same thing. I think one year then really downhill.
Kendricks and Kiko in the hands of Rick Minter?,…. HYPE!!!!
Who is your candidate to grow into Meco’s role as the field general? Maybe Malcolm Jenkins? I know Kendricks wants to step up into that role, but the coaches handed that role to Casey Matthews when he stepped in so I don’t know how much confidence the coaches have for him in that role.
not jenkins… he already has that responsibility in our secondary, which is allowed alot of freedom to change into all types of different responsibilities on the fly so jenkins is already too busy to replace Meco… always heard Kiko was dumb as a brick, ever hear him talk? he is like a space Cadet, but i wouldnt be surprised if he had some genius, dick butkus savant football brain lol… but Im just speculating, i really have no idea.
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if i had to bet onb someone, id say Kendricks, smart kid already been in this defense going on year 3..
is anyone still laughing that the last post got to 1,000? In about 10 minutes
“In 2013, he graded out as the No. 2 inside linebacker in coverage out of 55 qualifiers.”
That’s our boy now!
….and BTW Kendricks was 4th last year.
wasnt he like 3rd in tackles as a rook?
159 tackles (yeah 2nd or 3rd)
such an intense, instinctual Beast…. him and kendricks will be racing each other to hit the ball carrier next year… cant wait..
they might vaporize a RB, Kiko was no cupcake against the run apparently either
oh hell yeah, he def likes to hit…
Foles destroyed by Kiko+Hart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cULz2SdcxfE
That was the famous left-handed pass Chip always likes to reference.
Do we play Tennessee this year?
lol yikes…
makes sense. offense play fast, to make other team catch up and pass. well guess what we just locked down the middle of the field, no more eddie royal bulls*it
Hopefully he can recruit Bills Safety Searcy, a BIG part of their #1 ranked pass defense that gave up less passing TDs then the Legion of Boom..
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while Maragos recruits Byron Maxwell…
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Now we talking a defense worthy of playing in this city..
i feel a lot better about MSII now that we should have 3 out of 4 positions settled at LB.
him moving to ILB last year was grasping at straws, this fixes that.
if Dion Jordan actually happened i wouldnt be surprised either. I would hate to see Vinny go though.
i have to be clear, first and foremost, my #1 desire would be to lock up vinny curry to a 4yr deal TODAY and ill gladly never mention Dions name again…
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but, if because he isnt a stylistic perfect fit for our base defense, and we cant pay him to be a 3rd down specialist what 4-3 teams can pay him to play all 3 downs, then Id rather lose Curry a year early while we can get some value for him, whatever that value might be, 2nd round draft pick is fine by me…..
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but its just too perfect (besides the $) to not strongly consider it.. we have an AFC team in the same position as us, they have a player who isnt being a great fit in their scheme who they might find hard to pay in free agency eventually, and they have a chance at eliminate A MAJOR draft mistake taking dion in a 4-3 year, and fix the problem with a top 2nd round talent who is ready to explode if you put him in a 4-3… it will be easier to justify paying top dollar for the dolphins to extend Curry in their 4-3 scheme, then it will be to pay Dion to stay in a scheme that isnt an ideal fit.
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if we were talking about an NFC team, it would be a different story, but we have an AFC correspondent in a similar position as us, we can swap players, for similar young top talent that much better fits our scheme and becomes way easier to pay enough to extend pass their rookie deals..
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do the dolphins want to keep living the Dion mistake, or do they want to spend some money now, fixing a mistake and getting the best return they could ever imagine for their draft blunder in return?
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dolphins are said to be really serious about Suh… if they stick Suh in the middle of their 4 man line, with Curry and Cameron Wake as the DE’s flanking him…i would NOT want to be the bills, Patriots, or Jets… you mess around and get your QB or RB hurt playing against a defesive front like that twice a year..
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but if this i all a mistake and we are happy to pay Curry and we get to keep him for the next 4 years, that would be my #1 Dream scenario… but if we have to lose him next year, lets do it a year earl;y so we can get value while we can instead of settling for a compensatory pick two years from now..
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either way, its going to make me sick the day Curry is no longer an eagle… love that kid, and pray im completely wrong and curry spends his entire career here
Searcy would be so great here
yeah this city would love him, sure tackling, never lets WR behind him after all the years of our safeties getting toasted deep… being able to be an aggressive high level defender without getting flagged for a single penalty.
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just replacing the flags cary and Brad rack up with Searcys discplined play would be a major boost for us… he can play defense without committing a dumb penalty on 3rd down that gives opponents an automatic first down..and after last year we should all know how valuable that upgrade would be to what we saw last year
System Offense and Talent on Defense!
Live Picture of Chip Kelly….
anyone know what chip said yesterday? i know he spoke at some banquet or something in cherry hill yesterday, no idea what was said tho…
It was about coaching. He did not speak about the Eagles at all.
oh ok thanks…. bwahahaha figures… our media most be ripping their hair out
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whats going to be interesting is chip will have to speak and answer questions when we announce our new free agent signings in two weeks, so the vultures will be foaming at the mouth… you know the media dopes are dying to hammer him about the power struggle? trading the franchise back for a duck LB they are too simpleminded to know how good he is, cutting Cole and Herreamans…
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the vultures must be sharpening their knives getting ready for the introductory press conference with our new free agents.
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I hope chip trolls the media and makes it clear he wont respond to any question thats not related to one of the free agents we are introducing… just keep hitting reporters with “Im just here so i dont get fined”… actually he should wear a T-shirt with that Catch phrase to the press conference!!!
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cant wait to see our silly media launch its attack!
I’m anxious to see his plan. I think Meco and Maclin are both gone, creating a hole at WR and now RB, in addition to our aging line.
I absolutely don’t want Spiller, Polk can’t stay healthy, and I’m not sure Sproles can take the pounding at this stage of his career. Very interested to see how this all plays out this year and beyond.
Agree but look how the Pats have filled the RB position. I think Chip has identified it’s easier to fill that position that say ILB or safety. By making this trade he got his ILB and freed up enough cash for a safety.
Will the RB be Shady, no, but the sum of RB, ILB and FA (safety or whatever) will be far greater than just having Shady.
We’ll have to wait and see. We better make serious upgrades to this team with all this cap room now.
I think I saw on guy on twitter report that his comment to Eagles writers on his way out was… “How you doin’?”
McCoy ($12 mil.) for Alonso ($1 mil.), leaving enough money to sign a player like McCourty. Trading McCoy gives us more money for a FA.
So the trade is more like McCoy for Alonso and McCourty.
Shockingly, Jerome Bettis on espn didn’t like the trade for the Eagles
There hasn’t been one current or former RB that likes the trade…go figure
I bet all LB’s like it though. If I’m any player on that Bills team, I take the quickest bus out of town. I never was nor ever will be a fan of that guy who claims to be a HC in Bills land. I’d rather have Juan Castillo as a HC (yes, I went there)
Mic drop
rex is a great coach. once again he doesn’t have a qb but he gets a lot out of his players.
“great”???? What has he done to be “great”?
2 AFC championship games with Mark Sanchez at QB.
Running backs stick up for each other. Especially nowadays when they feel they are under attack and don’t have much value in the pass happy NFL.
I love the trade. This offense will thrive on a POWER run game. I’m so curious/excited to see who the RB will be. You win in the playoffs with power football…not finesse
McCoy was a finesse player. One angle I haven’t seen yet. With all this cap space I really hope they start locking up some current players…..never a good idea to pay a bunch of outsiders before you take care of your own..
i made the same post… power football is still winning Superbowls… LaGarrett Blount/Vereen is a power back and sproles type of tandem
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Beastmode, is a physical back
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all the years the niners went deep into playoffs was on the backs of a power run game/.
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def hoping for a switch to ramping up the physicality..we will always want athletic OL that can pull, get to the next level and play at our tempo, but hoping our #1 back is a big explosive Bruiser to pair with sproles
The better the D you face…the more you need a guy who can push the pile and get all the tough yards. Power football is so fun, I’m so over being a finesse team
preach it!!!
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we wear down defenses with our tempo as it is…imagine how dead they would be in the second half after getting pounded by a physical back like AP playing at our insane tempo…
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defenses would be dead by mid 3rd quarter… not to mention upgrading our goal line offense
I thought Polk gave us that power, and I thought he should have been used more last year. I guess he will now.
im perfectly fine riding with Polk and sproles for a year, and next year prioritizing moving up to snatch up Zeke Elliot in the draft… theoretically we can jackup Polks trade value giving him significant carries in this offense behind a top OL… and next year flip Polk for a 6th,. and draft Zeke.,.. the #1 rated RB and Guard usually dont often get drafted in the top 10..so if you want the top guy at that position, its not hard to go into a draft prioritizing trading up 7-10 spots to secure the #1 RB like Zeke next year… its not like we have to pay to trade up into the top 10
*if his shoulder holds up*
shoulder and hamstring
mostly offseason issues..no?
he missed like 3 games this year.
Chip releasing all these important starting vets, some who were trying to work out a deal, has to have all the players and agents realizing Chip really doesn’t mess around! I wonder what’s going through Maclins mind now. He’s probaby ready to get his deal finalized asap.
He doesn’t care, he’s going to get paid somewhere.
right I don’t see why this would scare Maclin at all.
Maclin has to be wondering, if he re-signs, how long would it be before he’s asked to take a pay cut.
why am I nervous with goosebumps? cant shake the feeling of another interesting day ahead of us….
is it true — since the trade was announced — you’re waivering on the move to get Mariota? 🙂 … don’t get caught up in the excitement…I’ll be the only one left on the Foles band wagon…lmao…
are you nuts,,,,you are high if you think I want to lose Foles for a QB with great punt return skills..id rather ride with an immobile stiff who will shred you from the pocket any day…
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but i always been a crazed fan of eagles defense, give me a top defense, and Ill be willing to concede whatever you want on the offensive side of the ball…just give me a top ranked OL and do whatever you want on offense if I get to see a defense hold teams under 20 points and struggle to cross mid field at the linc…
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think it is important to see all the angles, and a front office that is willing to go out and pay for top talent is a change in Philosophy, so its important to understand how the change in free agent approach, effects the QB debate..
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russel Wilson was an important part of two superbowl appearences, but more important was their defense, beastmode and the fact that they could pay their QB in circus peanuts and dump an extra 20mil into stacking the team around the QB for like 3 years,.. so while other teams were allocating 20mil in cap to their QBs, seattle had a good QB who was so cheap that allowed to spend an extra 15-20 then most other teams on the postions around the QB
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if we are going to continue being frugal and scared in free agency and not spending on adding top talent, then who really cares about the difference in paying Marriotta a rookie contract and paying foles 15mil the next few years, if we will just roll over 10-15mil every year instead of spending it on improving our team?… but if frugal free agent days are over, and we will aggressively pursue elite talent and spend whatever we can trying to improve the most we can, then its important to see how the QB debate discussion changes….
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believe me, you wont see me celebrating the Eagles trading for Marriotta at all!!!! but give me a top defense and ill literally deal with whatever they decide on offense…
lmfao — just checking — I’m with you on all of this…
if they trade Foles, I just ask that it be to my AFC mistress, the Buffalo Bills.
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top defense
Rex Ryan product of Buddys Balls..
Shady, Foles, Sammy
YES PLEASE!!!
I want Nick with the Texans or Bills.
yeah texans would be pretty bad ass too
Not a fan of HC Rex. Now I can finally cheer for the Jets now that he’s gone. Great DC but after listening to him at press conferences -just can’t stand him….
I think I’m going to embrace this concept of an AFC mistress. Have a way to still root for Shady. Wish nothing but the best for him. The dude should have been the Eagle’s all-time greatest running back, now he just has to shoot to be an all-time great in general.
lol every fan should be allowed an out of conference mistress… after all, “its not cheating if you cross state lines” lol
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heck i been busy watching the bills defense for the past few years anyway.. they will have a fun defense again, and now a RB i adore.. why stop watching them now…now i dont have to fast forward thru the bills offensive snaps
It’s pretty cool, the Steelers are mine because when I was a kid and the Cowboys would beat up on the Eagles, the Steelers were always there to beat their asses in the Super Bowl. The 70’s squad anyways, not so much luck with the idiot who threw 2 int’s right to Larry Brown to hand the Cowboys’ a gift Super Bowl. His name, Neil O’Donnell.
honestly, if you were to ask me what my favorite aspect about MM is… I swear to you I would say, that he would finally be a QB who has mastered the apparent equivalent of Chinese Rocket science aka SLIDING instead of getting hit… my upside for getting MM is finally a QB who doesnt look like a trainwreck trying to slide… thats how bad our past QBs have been
I wonder when they’ll release Demeco?
really not sure…. im not so convinced its a forgone conclusion as most people think… we really value him in so many ways that extend past the field… if unpopular decisions like losing Cole, Shady, Herremans are going to be made, probably should value a veteran respected like Meco in the locker room to help the transition…. we also are having him do his entire rehab at novacare, kind of doubt they would spit in his face cut him and tell him to go finish his rehab else where…
i think it’ll be about business whatever they do.
i assume they just give him like 3/4ths of his money up front, get it off the cap and leave him alone… certain people in a locker room yu just dont F with, especially at a time your locker room is getting ROCKED! we need ILB depth anyway, upgrading Kiko for Meco is great but doesnt build depth, and im not certain that GB scab we signed will make our . keep meco for a year and prolong having to draft ILB depth til next year, leaving our picks this year to redo the offense
What do you guys think about kicking the tires on Ray Rice on a 1or2 yr deal then draft a back in the 3rd or 4th round.. Three man rotation works for me, because it would take 3 guys to replace the eagle formerly known as shady
Fuck that dude.
Understandable but you’d get a guy for cheap that would be on his best behavior with something to prove.. I get the dislike for him, like I said just kicking the tires on this idea
Still a no.
To be clear on my stance I wouldn’t like this individual either on my team. I was asked this question by a coworker.. Thought I bring it to best sports discussion board online
He’s a local product to my hometown. Cheered for him quite a bit. Even cheap — I pass. Don’t need him.
Living just across the border from MD… nope. Rice’s career was heading on a steep decline anyway.
McCoy was unlikeable enough off the field but at least he didn’t go around socking a bitch.
I don’t know what you mean unlikeable off the field.. I liked he a lot on and off the field.. Yea he had some minor stuff that came out in the public but damn we act as if these public figures are perfect. We all have problems and we aren’t perfect.. People can let shit go and forgive and move forward..
How is beating your GF unconscious and dragging out of an elevator minor stuff?
If you read correctly I was referencing Shady and the stuff that came out during the off season a couple of seasons ago. Wasn’t talking about Ray Rice’s incident as Minor stuff. But minor or major it doesn’t matter. What matters is being able to forgive other, and for the people who make the mistake its important to grow and learn from these mistakes. The problem is when these individuals keep making the same mistakes. So read and comprehend before trying to play high and mighty while jumping on my back OK friend.
The tip
The dumping a woman off the interstate from his party limo
Having a party limo
Twitter wars with the mother of his child
I get that most NFL players are pampered jocks who have been jerks their whole lives, but McCoy never came off as anything more than a creep off the field.
I had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times and my experiences have all been positive. I can live with those issues if those are his only flaws that we know of. You just said it though he comes off that way, but we don’t actually know he is or isn’t a jerk so if we don’t know then why label him so. Now I could be wrong and he might have been cool with me and my friends those time I’ve meet him and he could actually be those things you say, and I got lucky and caught him on a good day lol. Idk but I can only go off my face to face encounter
I should also add -that doesn’t make McCoy an evil guy or anything.
He just wasn’t the kind of person who I thought had any sort of decency off the field.
Again, they’re pro athletes -not role models. He’s good at his job and that’s what counts as far as cheering for the laundry.
I hear you, and now know what you mean when you said unlikeable.
He. He looked bad two years ago. No explosion, nonpower.
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so appreciative of everything Cole gave us…. but this is why i get pissed when I hear the NO RESPECT, not to mention I didnt hear him crying about respect when they cut his longest tenured Brother Herremans…
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The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s Ed Bouchette reports the Steelers are “hoping” SS Troy Polamalu will retire so they won’t have to release him.
Polamalu’s play has been in a precipitous decline the past few years, and he isn’t worth the $8.25 million cap hit. With two years left on his contract, the Steelers want Polamalu to call it a career as a soon-to-be 34-year-old so that they don’t have to go through the awkwardness of cutting him. Either way, Polamalu will never play another snap for Pittsburgh. 2013 fourth-round S Shamarko Thomas may be the heir apparent to Polamalu next to FS Mike Mitchell.-roto
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If Cole cared as much about retiring as an eagle, he wouldnt have priced his ass out of here… its a business and a few franchises like the steelers and eagles try to operate with class and do things the right way…. but these vetrerans need to understand and make sacrafices if they want to retire with the team that drafted them,,, steelers shoulnt be stuck paying an old man that type of money because of the career he had… they should be trying to build the most competitive team they can… we gave Cole the respect to have an opportunity to restructure… it didnt work out, no need for the ugly divorce,,, we treated Cole way better then the Colts treated Dwight Freeny who brought them a superbowl…. we should be able to part way amicably getting to celebrate and appreciate Cole without it being an ugly divorce that forces us to choose sides… i want to thank and apreciate Cole, but he has been treated more then fair… not many franchises would have allowed him to block a young player who was playing at BG’s level…
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trent cole and Polomu havent given their franchises a decade of free service… they been compensated for past performances, no reason they shouldnt understand
Watching ESPN and it’s like a trainwreck, I can’t look away. Some fool is saying, “why is Kelly gutting the team.”……… LOL, who did he gut? Cole, Williams, Herremans all needed to be cut.
im just laughing at them trying to try and make sense of it in their simple brains…
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shhiiiiit for months we been worried about cutting Lesean for nothing. Now you tell me we lost shady but got a baby beast of an ILB in return solidifying a big need for the next 4 years and im supposed to be upset? lol ok…
I haven’t watched ESPN in years.
My off season wish list now is Maclin, Franklin, Maxwell, House, Moore, Hughes, Ingram if they plan to sell out for Mariota.
Ingram is an interesting call.. i like it..
Edit: especially w the Alabama ties…
Whoops… Ingram is interesting.. n/s runner, alabama ties.. wouldnt be the worst stop gap..
Me. Don’t. Want. Ingram.
I hope we will either get Spiller or Forsett instead.
AP!!! I have gone to the Dark side.. like when Hulk Hogan retired the classic red and yellow and went all black NWO BAD GUY! Geagle has gone to the Darkside… Im in Full Fanboy Mode…AP! AP! AP! AP!
Im like the Razor Ramon of this free agency period…chico!!!
great Hulk reference there…
Dude I have been there for a couple weeks, I just can’t believe it might actually happen… All Day 3K!
I think Mac is as good as gone. Franklin is ok, not great. No, no, no on Hughes. He has only produced with an amazing line in Buffalo.
Cox, Bennie, Vinny, Barwin, Hughes??? …not too shabby
Good draft for WR this year again…
so curious to really see what an offensive genius truly values in a RB stylistically speaking…. he inherited this top RB… curious to see what chips idea of a featured back looks like at this elite level….
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fingers crossed its not mark Ingram
Shane Vareen?
find it hard to believe with sproles on roster…. cant have two top RBs that you would rather throw to then hand it off to
He loves handing off to Sproles though
I bet he’d love it even more handing off to Abdullah! #foreshadowing
yes he does… but i assume SPROLES and VEREEEN both LOVE to catch…. you would think the number 1 back in a heavy run offense would be a work horse who is happy to run the rock 30 times a game… I dont know if sproles would be thrilled about 30 carries lol.. I assume him and Vereen would start asking for some screen and swing passes to take a break from the pounding…then again, im hoping for turning up the notch on the team Physicality so my opinion is prolly biased in this convo…
Yeh, the Eagles were still very much an Andy/Howie team but after this offseason I think we are really gonna see Chip’s monster come to life.
agreed… James Casey, Brad Fletcher, Cary, Nate Allen… seems chip is ripping all the “band aids” off, and jettisoning the andy holdovers…… which i assume means SERIOUS UPGRADES!!!
I’d have to at least find out what Forsett is asking
cant really give him more then a 2yr deal tho, but that could work if you are a fan who would like to see us add Zeke Elliot next year…..forsett would probably be more of a bad aid, and it kind of looks like chip is fed up and is ripping off all the band aids: cary, brad, Cole, Nate, James Casey…. then again, that doesnt mean we wont need to band aid a position or two if we want to prolong getting our longterm future in place at the position.
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i like how Forsett runs tho… i would rather see him then Ingram
Don’t need a long term solution at RB through FA. Plus, he’s not that high-mileage.
i agree….have to draft our feature back sooner or later… the only other real play is trading for like a 2nd or 3rd year back on a rookie contract….but you absolutely cant look to sign a FA back to a 4-5 year deal…
I like Ingram….had him on fantasy last year, stats aside, since I run 3 tvs on football Sundays I watched most of his games. I’d take him in a heartbeat…quick, powerful runner.
feel like he cant even really seperate himself from the 3 no name undrafted backs on their roster… and hasnt he missed games? feel like that team started a different rb EVERY week..
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full disclosure i havent watched them much these past two years. Rule of thumb, if the team doesnt have a really exciting Defense, good chance GEAGLE hasnt watched that team very closely the last couple of year… saints had the defensive stats but they never did it for me enough to really pay attention..and i hate that soft, pussy brand of Jimmy Graham offense. a TE so soft that the team is scared to death to let him try and block anyone hahahahah how soft can you be? big monster, i p[icture jimmy graham in a diaper with a pacifer in his mouth…smh TE who is afraid to block LOL… give me THE HULK, Virgil Green any day over a soft TE who is afraid to chip a nail
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so its certainly possible if i have misplaced hate for Ingram, i just havent watched close enough to be able to get into a discussion about him… if yuo have watcged him closely, Ill take your word for it..
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truth is, i find myself in uncharted waters,,i grew up and the RB position was like the one position I never had to worry about as an Eagle fan…I went from Garner, Watters, Duce, Buck, the wizard of westbrook, shady… the RB is like the one position i rarely even paid attention to, because as an Eagle fan I really never had to. we were alwats so set at RB, that i cant even remember when the last time i spent a moment watching film on college RBs… as an eagle fan there was never any reason to…
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but give me a top OL and i really dont care who the RB is… ill gladly go with Polk and a top OL
Ahhh…would love Staley in this offense! In my opinion, all of your thoughts on Ingram are true, with the exception of this past year. He was finally healthy, albeit in a contract year, and ran like the 1st rounder he was supposed to be. Opened my eyes on several occasions before he got some freak injury. Devils advocate says you don’t want a guy who performed in a contract year but if he is what I saw last year…sign me up.
nice…appreciate the info
Watters to this day is still one of my favs. I didn’t care about the “For who, for what” because he came to play on game days – and he was a workhorse back. For me, that was the first back moving into adulthood. Before that I didn’t like Byars all that much. He seemed more a TE than RB.
i was actually like a 14yr old kid at the for who for what game, i remember because when i got home my first girlfriend dumped me…lol as a recently single young pimp, i had bigger fish to fry then for who for what … Loved Ricky, and I miss what a batshit lunatic his wife was… she was friggin awesome LOL screaming at coaches, owners, media… loved that ride or die chick 🙂
Chip’s RB has to be excellent at three things: getting tough yards, blocking, and catching the football. If he is weak in either of these, he is not a starter.
Love the trade. Got Kiko Alonso for very cheap trading a running back on the decline, while still good, not a great fit for this offense without speed on the outside.
More money, more abilities to fill the holes on the team.
My friend is a Bills fan. Alot of them aren’t happy about this. It’s just the national media hyping this up as a steal for the Bills.
Yeah they usually follow the narrative easiest to explain.
Ive seen some media outlets speak up for Kiko, who lead the league in his rookie year in assisted tackles, was third in total tackles, had 4 interceptions, which is upper echelon for MLBs. He is a good player and can play ROLB and ILB.
Love McCoy, but as I have been thinking, we needed to address the LB position, and we have enough talent at running back that if we had to make a move with shady we could be competitive this season at the running back position.
Now, we go into the draft with OL and CB as our top priorities.
Either we get B. Max and Mccourty and draft a OL in the Draft or we get Mariota and pickup those positions in FA, and still address those positions in rounds 2 and beyond.
I like both of those directions.
The hard truth is that we could move on from McCoy, its better to not keep a player one year more than you need them and Mccoys play last season proved to me that we needed to move on.
My question was, could he still have a consistent game without speed on the outside, and the answer was no.
The bills have speed on the outside and coach that likes to run. Shady should have a great end to his career and will be always consider one of the greatest of all time.
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A few thoughts on things:
-To me it makes little sense to go after guys who have been feature backs on other teams. We just got rid of a guy who was paid big money and quickly approaching his decline. Signing a guy in similar situation, Murray or AP, seems dumb.
– How much magic do you Chip to be able to work with the offence? Honestly, I don’t fully buy that he doesn’t need talented skill position players, and can generate points with anyone. Talent is needed. This is not to say I don’t like trading Shady, I’m fine with that as long a we get a good replacement. It’s more so with an eye towards Maclin.
– Is it possible that Chip’s dissatisfaction with Howie had more to do with the players leaving the Eagles, or lack there of, than it had with who was brought in?
Depends on how expensive, obviously. Sometimes you find an older player who can help you out for a couple of years, tide you over while you develop someone.
We might see Spiller here.
Please no. We already have one injury prone RB. Don’t need to pay big $$ to another
Agree, he is only good if he were a complimentary back.
Heard a rumor somewhere that we are interested in Mark Ingram. Probably just a rumor though.
got up this morning, redid the calculations, and still coming up with “This is a bad idea…”
I’m going to wait until after the draft, but preliminarily, I think I’m going to concede the season next year for the Eagles. Too bad the Vikings are in such a tough division.
My problem is that at this point, there is very little special sauce on the offensive side of the ball. The Eagles pretty much have to franchise Maclin. Who else would come, who can command attention?
We can’t franchise Maclin. It’s not possible.
I’m unclear on the rules, then?
That came and went on Monday. Sign him by Mar 10 or he’s a FA
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We had till Monday at 4pm to use the tag.
I agree. They must pay maclin now. Matthews is decent, but I see “just a guy”. There is nothing special about him and I think he would struggle to get open on the outside. Huff has shown me nothing. He seems like he is good with the ball in his hands, it’s the catching/ carrying part that seems deficient. Cooper is hot garbage. Maybe ertz could become elite??
What did that “sauce” bring you the last couple of years? That’s what you want to continue? Hate it or like it, a shake up was needed…
Shady was not special last year.
I wonder if the next trade might be Brandon Boykin for a 3rd round pick. He also has expressed displeasure about the current regime and looks unlikely to re-sign with the Eagles so better to trade now rather than allow him to walk for nothing. Using picks from trading Boykin, along with a trade for Foles, and our 1st and 2nd round picks, should be enough to move into the 4-6 spot to draft Mariota
Don’t forget about compensatory picks.
Boykin is easily replaceable. He was the same liability that the rest of our backfield was last year.
The Philadelphia Inquirer reports the Eagles and free agent Jeremy Maclin have been “not as close recently” in contract talks.
Per beat writer Jeff McLane, a deal “was close for some time,” but the sides aren’t as near to compromising now and Maclin is “getting nibbles.” McLane says the Eagles must “up the ante” with Maclin after clearing a ton of cap room via the LeSean McCoy trade. If the Eagles lose Maclin, Jordan Matthews, Riley Cooper, and Josh Huff would be left as their top three receivers.
meh.. id be more worried if this didnt come from Mclane… but it certainlly could be true…
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Im afraid to find out what skip bayless, Stephen smith, Angelo Cataldi have to say about chip kelly today… im seriously afraid to find out how absurd it must be
Not looking good for Mac.
no cob has teams willing to give him $11-12m, i can see mac being in that range.
Cobb may be a better player than Maclin. He’s definitely more dynamic. If their $ is similar Cobb may make more sense.
The Packers reportedly informed free agent Randall Cobb’s camp that they are willing to sign him to a five-year deal worth $8-9 million annually.
Agent Jimmy Sexton “basically has told the team he’s confident more lucrative offers await.” Venerable Packers beat writer Bob McGinn confirms the Jaguars are “expected to be all over Cobb,” while the Raiders are “also ready to enter the Cobb sweepstakes.” Concludes McGinn, “barring the unexpected … it appears as if Cobb will be playing elsewhere next season.”-roto
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I’m getting less convinced that ‘Meco is cut outright as time moves on from the trade. They may value him as the backup/goal line sub/savvy vet who can help with little details. At this point, with 2 young ILB starters on the roster, you can afford to have a veteran backup. Don’t know how much that is worth to them, but the fact that he hasn’t been cut already probably means something.
How would his injury affect things? Could they even cut him outright, or would they have to do an injury settlement?
Good question. Hadn’t considered that impact. Still think it is a good situation to have a veteran backup, and he still should be good in short field (red zone) situations.
im dont think Meco is getting cut at all… dude been rehabbing with our trainers at novacare…no shot in hell chip kicks him out and tells him to go rehab elsewhere midway thru…. let the simple minded folks worry about the $… Mufasa Stays!!! there are certain people you just dont fuck with in a locker room…especially a ;locker room thats getting ROCKED with change!!
How could he not? I doubt he wants to ride the bench..and if $11M is too high for a star RB, $7M is way to high for a guy on the bench.
Money can be adjusted
Anyone tell me about Javorius Allen? CK needs to get another young back and I’m looking at 3rd round projections. He has the size (6’1, 215) that he likes and played in the Pac-10.
dude i havent scouted a rb in like 37 years… cant remember what its even like to need a top RB as an eagle fan..
I feel we get one this year in the draft, and I wouldn’t be surprised by a WR & RB in the 3rd round this year.
almost have to
i would rather prolong drafting a RB for a year, and spend two picks to secure Zeke Elliot next year… its not hard to get the #1 RB in a draft if you really want him. they usually dont go top 10…
Does this have the Buddy Ryan feel? Unloading guys from the previous regime and starting over with your guys. That worked out pretty well for our defense anyways.
Happens with every regime change in every walk of life. I lived through one at my first job, a new HR person cleaned house, 4 of the 5 people in my group were gone within a year.
Good point, but other than McNabb, which of course was a need in the draft, how much did Reid blow it up? Also, I can’t remember how Ray Rhodes did it, I know Vermeil tore his team up.
this website is going to break on Tuesday when our FA signings are announced and the trade for Mariotta too. I think there is going to be a very good player that Chip sends as part of the deal.
I really thought if they were going to get Mariotta that Shady would be in the deal, guess not. Doesn’t mean they won’t get him though, who knows what’s in Chip’s mind.
Shady had little trade value at that price. I don’t think him gone changes much. You are talking about 1’s, a young very good player etc. as part of the trade. Maybe Foles counts as something. Maybe Shady could have, but he isn’t a lynchpin to that deal.
if the deal gets done… it gets done with Foles…. playing Foles with chips goldboy behind him who chip traded the farm for is a disaster waiting to happen in Philly,.,.. want MM? gotta understand what that would mean,,aka Bye Bye Nick, gotta trade him for ammounition to get up to #6…. NO SHOT in Hell Lane, Cox or Kendricks are traded,,,, at worst, we would jettison Curry or Boykin….. but I assume trading Foles for picks and us packaging our picks is what gets the trade done, not trading franchise cornerstones like Cox… no one trades away JJ Watt,. or Justin Houston…23yr old cox is on his way to franchise stardome.
That’s if MM makes it to 6. The Eagles would need to get to 1 or 2 to get either MM or JW.
Plus, all this “talk” is what makes me think it’s not true. CK doesn’t show his cards. Draft day comes and they trade back twice to pick up some more 2nd and 3rd rounders making the national and philly media’s heads explode – just like when Manziel didn’t go early in the 1st last year.
agreed…. plus philosophically, this is the ultimate team, game to chip..with how easy players get injured I have a hard time believing he believes in trading like 5 players for one, after processing every thing i ever heard him say on the matter and the way he views the game… he spelled out word for word how often the history of those trades have failed…. and if he really wanted marriotta, he was smart enough to know the effects of winning that Giant game instead of Barkley..chips not dumb prerson. he is so thorough that he knows all the tendencies of each officating crew, cant possibly believe he didnt know pl;aying sanchez was risking drafting at 20 instead of 16..and chip knows how expensive it would have always been to trade up for Marriotta…letting sanchez win a meaningless game would mean having to pay an extra 1st round pick to trade up for marriotta.. figure trading up from 20 instead of trading up from 16 costs an extra 1st round pick, as if we didnt have to pay enough of them already to trade for Marriotta, NO WAY CHIP JUST let Sanchez win that meaningless game costing us an extra 1st round pick for marriotta… no friggin way… Chip is too smart to behave the way he has behaved if he really planned on desperately going after his golden boy knowing he was looking at a 9 or 10 win team
A thought…. CHippers didnt have full control when they won that last game.. if he did have the knowledge that he would gain full control at seasons end.. maybe he would have let Barkley give it a try..
he knew the draft rammifications of winning that meaningless game, and he had full powr to play Barkley… heck the city complained that he didnt play barkley in the meaningless game..yet he didnt play him anyway…yet im supposed to believe these are the actions of a man who knew how desperate he would be to have a chance at his golden boy in the upcoming draft?
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critical thinking 101…i dont fuckin buy it…. but we’ll see.
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anything is possible i guess…
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we are going to #1, not 6. And anyone could be available. Chip isn’t waiting to see if just maybe Mariotta falls to 6. He wants him. Period.
And a trade to 6 is on draft day. Not what I am saying. A trade to #1 is done as FA hits, so you know what holes you have to fill without the draft picks.
A man with real insight into Chip. The drum beats are getting louder and louder. Get your PBR and shots ready.
if chip gives up Cox… i lose every bit of respect.. you dont trade dominance
we will see. I hope it’s not Cox, but QB >>>>>> DE
I’d it’s before the draft it will be to #1 to ensure we get him. During the draft…could be between 2 and theoretically 10
Want me to buy a Foles Jersey?
the thought has crossed my mind that chip might not be crazy enough to sell his soul for a rookie QB, and that if he uses the picks to build this team it will be way better then spending 5 picks on MM… with the caveat that Marriotta probably ends up with some Crap franchise, and maybe Chip thinks it will be cheaper for him to try and go after the kid in a trade 2-3 years down the line when we have a stacked roster and let someone else deal with his growing pains.. maybe chip thinks it will take him a year or two to develop in the pro style systems that await him at the Jets or wherever the hell he gets drafted, and chip banks on him not providing instant gratification and needing time to grow in those systems, so like Dion, maybe he has a chance to trade for the kid in year 2 or 3… by then we should have built a stacked program that can better afford to pay a ton for one player…. especially since Nick Foles isnt exactly some Hobo..
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just trying to think outside the box, and not take the first obvious worm the media throws at me
Nah, he’ll get Mariota and soon.
yea yea i know…for someone who loves to talk about how chip views things, you seem to ignore and purposely leave out some core fundamental principles he believes about this game, and about months of quotes blatantly spelling out that he doesnt believe in such a thing… but I understand..
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I already know the drill… if its not a pro marriotta or pro hundley, or pro some QB with punt returner skills, its not welcome on this site… i get it… no reason to do this dance again
I just can’t imagine a trading partner being complicit in reuniting Chip and MM unless we imploded the roster getting him. Does anyone want to risk CK getting his guy?
Crazy Crazy Offseason. High stakes all in. I never quite thought big balls Chip ever lived up to the moniker in-game, but as a gm, most definitely, good god.
a team like the titas won’t care. the jets probably don’t care either especially if the trade comes with nick foles. we should just dump all of our players into the AFC East.
I’d just be like, do I really want to risk letting Bill Walsh get his Joe Montana, or do I just want to make my top 5 pick? hmmmm
Let Chip actually accomplish something before we start putting the halo on him.
it’s done isn’t it. Just tell me no one else is here.
You and I will know Monday.
ok but tell me Cox isn’t part of it.
It has to be Tampa, right? What if you trade up to TEN and then the Bucs get leery of Winston’s character issues and decide to go with Mariota. I want absolutely no part of Winston on the Eagles. I don’t care if he leads the Eagles to 5 Super Bowl wins. The guy is a POS.
Yes. Though you may need to get #2 first so you can trade that to Tampa (and they still get Winston). I cannot fathom Tampa trading out of getting a QB unless they have determined that they want neither, and would prefer Foles.
That’s when Mariota “goes Eli” and winds up getting traded for a functionally superior player at the same position, a ‘roided out LB and a kicker.
If they trade up it won’t happen until whatever team we trade up with is on the clock
Rams didn’t — just saying…
Rams didn’t have the # 1 pick. If Colts don’t take Luck, Rams prob would have.
no — the rams didn’t wait until draft day to make the trade…
Nah, the Rams-Redskins deal was done Monday before FA.
Watching Hundley do interviews gives me a sneaky feeling. This guy is so relaxed and natural. Comes across as smart too. The curveball here is to surprise everybody and pick up Hundley in the first. Let him sit behind Nick for a year and then be in position to make the real decision about the future at QB once the 2016 draft rolls around – Foles, Hundley or sell the farm for whoever in 2016..
Haloti Ngata going to hit the market. So much $$. Ngata, Mccourty, a couple of decent CBs, i’d be fine letting smith start in Cole’s place, can’t ball everywhere.
Where’d you see this? I thought they were still trying to restructure him
All of my posts come from roto or bgn. this came from roto.
Yeah, I saw that. Looking closer, that’s only the opinion of a Baltimore beat writer. Not based on sourced information.
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Per league sources the Eagles are expected to go after OLB Jason Worilds as soon as free agency starts #eagles #Steelers
Okay, then Graham is almost certainly gone.
I’ve been preaching that for weeks…
Yeah i guess they care about coverage more than pass rush?
I do think the scheme depends on LBs getting good enough drops to help the secondary with the intermediate throws, allowing the CBs to take care of the short throws, and the safeties to take care of the deep throws. I stand by my diagnosis that the loss of DeMeco last year turned an awful secondary into the Hindenburg during December – the ROLB and Matthews just couldn’t address the intermediate routes, and that led to Nate being too worried about them instead of just focusing on the deep stuff.
Worilds an experienced, long-time OLB whom the Eagles — and Kelly — wanted 12 months ago. He’s experienced in coverage and blitzing. Affordable, young enough, and a book-end to Barwin.
Worilds is not a converted DE with a knee that never fully recovered from micro-fracture surgery and tepid lateral movement, who’s not very good in space.
But Brandon Graham is. And he was never coming back here except on a below-market deal.
Remember . . . GRAHAM COULDN’T BEAT OUT COLE — FOR 2 YEARS. (not to mention, 1 sack in his last 7 games.) Couldn’t beat out a 32 year-old converted DE.
Kelly’s M.O. with players, it’s starting to appear, is to peg a dollar figure to that player — and if the guy doesn’t take it in a restructure/renegotiation/extension, the player’s GONE.
Graham said “no” months ago to the Eagles. GONE.
Plus . . . Graham’s a Reid/Roseman guy.
I wonder if when Graham hits FA he won’t find the market as strong as he expects.
If he does go I hope he gets into a 4-3 scheme and excels. It’s what he is meant to do, hand on the ground and rush the passer.
I bet he’s a 10-12 sack guy for a few years if he lands in the right spot.
graham will hit, doubt eagles match. players that were staying with former teams got paid or tagged already.
I have a bridge for sale. 50% off
Ponte Cestio?
Yeah I don’t get all the hate against Worilds… nearly an Eagle last year. No reason Chip wouldn’t get him this year #upgrade.
Because he is not really any good? I could care less if he was close to been an Eagle, that does not make him good.
Not our real target. We would never head a week early if he was. No worries
Kelly sees the world differently than most folks in the NFL (forget about mere mortals).
But you still hear the drumbeat of self-reinforcing conventional wisdom in these parts.
Cuz the Eagles tell people their targets ahead of time…..not
Easier for to believe this leak is to pressure the scheduled BG talks later this week
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Takes hubris to think Josina would find out our true target a week early when chip has all the power and doesn’t talk to anyone
You’d be surprised if they went for Worlids? Would have been here last year except for getting tagged (that was probably the only reason T. Cole was here last year).
If I expected the Eagles to sign Worilds I would expect ti hear rumors right now about the Eagles going after Sheard, McPhee or some other OLB. I’m not that much of an egomaniac that I would expect to hear about a true target a week early
i think they are reporting it bc it’s somersetting eagles tried to do last year, would be the same as us trying to do a deal with cj spiller b/c we tried last year. There are more LBs available now for sure.
Nick Foles is meeting with his RE broker right now.
Buying a big house in Philly because the Eagles are using their cap room to give him a mega-extension?
I hear Tampa is nice. Or I guess anywhere else for an extra pick to go to Tampa.
I tell you, announcing a big extension in Philly. That would make me fall out of my chair.
Is he actually meeting with his RE broker(source?), are you just being facetious?
I’m joking that he’s selling his house/condo b/c he is about to be traded.
While I can understand the intention behind that joke, I don’t necessarily find all these comments lately very funny.
I can’t remember who it was but someone posted that the Eagles have traded for Dion Jordan last night. At TATE that would get you a 2 weeks ban.
I said he was talking to his RE broker. If I said he was traded, then maybe that’s a bad joke. My comment can hardly be taken as me saying the trade has happened.
I don’t know what TATE is. I did not make the Dion comment.
Lighten up.
Bills are trading for QB Matt Cassel. Swap of undisclosed draft picks. Should have gone after Foles!
If the Eagles want MM, one option is to find a team wanting a QB but isn’t sold on MM, offer them up Foles for a 1 year try out and a ton of picks and they could always look for a QB next year if it doesn’t work out. I think Foles sticks around until Chip is assured he has MM, so I don’t see it until draft day. And the Bills can’t help us in the pursuit of MM
that’s Tuesday not draft day. We could flip Foles for a pick to include in the trade. Or trade him directly to Tampa.
Yes if we pry #1 from Tampa, yeah that’s in play tuesday.
Foles is taken already.
You’re killing me!!!! hahahahahaha….
If we cut Demeco we will have close to 50 Mio $$$ in cap space this year. It seems more and more that Chip wants to get as many new starters in Free Agency as possible so he will have all the “freedom” in the draft.
Cannot wait for Saturday to come..!
think that means sanchize will be the backup? can’t see another team wanting him. i actually though cassel would be good here if we lost sanchez to the bills.
Yes, Sanchez as a backup here again is a possibility.
Looks like my dream of seeing Stephone Anthony in green is gone…
Just had this pop up…wow
Round 1 Pick 20: Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (A)
Round 3 Pick 20: Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State (A)
Round 4 Pick 20: Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (A)
Round 6 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (A-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary (A)
if cooper was available at 20 and gordon at 52(?) and drummond at whatever (32*5)-12 is, it would shock me quite a bit based on all the mocks i’ve seen and assessments i’ve read (i know that’s not worth much). that said, i’d be the happiest fan ever if our draft shook out like this!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/03/04/chip-kellys-followup-to-the-lesean-mccoy-trade-is-not-what-you-would-have-expected/
Kelly didn’t say anything last night at the dinner.
‘Dream Team 2 – Free Agents Strike Back!’
Ok, here’s my updated crazy speculation:
We sign Ngata, Worlids, Mccourty and Maxwell to bolster the D, let Maclin walk and sign Randall Cobb.
Boom.
With the Kiko Alonso/Shady deal, thats a hell of an offseason.
Cobb is most effective in the slot where Mathews is. Maclin is a great sideline specialist. He needs to back.
Sucks for Matthews then.
I think the plan eventually is to work Mathews in outside as well, we just started him off in the slot because we didn’t have a guy who fit there really well (unless you want to start Huff there, yuck).
I’m basing the signing of Cobb more off of what I’m hearing regarding the contract negotiations between Maclin and the Eagles. I’d rather have Maclin than Cobb, but I’d definitely take Cobb as a consolation prize. He’s a good player.
I think Huff has the talent to be a very good player and his best spot would be the slot. However Mathews may transcend to outside but I think Chip views him as a Colston who primarily plays slot and is very good at it.
cobb is 5’10, won’t be on this team.
He drafted Josh Huff who is 5’11 and traded for Sproles who is 5’6
Sproles is 5’6″ veritcally
and about 3’7″ horizontally.
short. not small.
I think Cobb would fit fine for Kelly.
huff is a rocked up 5’11, sproles plays a different position. Especially in the slot he wants a big guy that can take advantages of mismatches.
That combined with the slot factor is why I’m saying he won’t be on the team. Thought he was a bit taller though.
yeah me too i thought he was 6’1 or so, but he’s 5’10 / 190
I am stoked about this trade. In my humble(HUMBLE), lol, opinion I think we needed a player like Kiko who has boatloads of potential, over a very good if not great RB that stopped listening to his coaches and just hit holes, like he was supposed to do. I get it that he has a chance to break off a huge run, but he admitted to us all on a couple of occasions, how he left many yards on the filed, due to his stutter step moves. When they don’t work, it looks really ugly. Shuffling Shady off to Buffalo is the only thing I have a problem with, as Shady will not have a stellar offensive line to block for him, thus diminishing his overall value. This move really puts Shady in a bad spot but all is fair in Football right? He may never lead the league in rushing ever again, if he remains stuck in Buffalo with Rexy.
On the other hand, we have a young stud of a LB in Alonso, who got 3 picks in his first three games as a rookie. That was just two years ago, and the only huge “if” is if his knee is 100% or not. I did a little research on Kiko and from all accounts, he is ready to lay some wood this coming season, I will not be the least bit surprised if he helps our D become very good, perhaps even dominant if Chip invests in a few more key positions on D, namely the CB and safety.
We just freed up a huge amount of cap space so expect our Eagles to be active in free agency and expect Chip to make some great decisions in the coming days. Go Eagles !!!
I actually think Shady would benefit from a less structured running attack. He’s kind of Barry Sanders esque in that he is very good at doing the unexpected and finding big plays where there are none. Of course you take the good with the bad, but he always seemed to be at his best when he was allowed to just go with the flow.
i think it’ll be good for him as well, Bills will run him into the ground as well.
If the reports are true the Eagles just completed the McCoy trade in 20 minutes you really have to wonder if they did their due diligence in terms of getting the best value including how much they had spoken with other teams.
Have faith for crying out loud. instead of thinking … phone rings: Chip hello – oh hi Chip, I meant to call the Giants, but since you answered, you interested in Kiko? Chip — sure — who you want? Shady. Um, let me think for 15 more minutes. Chip gets up off the couch to put on his pajama pants and slippers — walks over to a table and flips a coin. Gets back on the phone and says “ok”.
I think his reply was more like “whatevs” than “ok”.
We got a pro bowl linebacker in a position of need, familiar with the scheme who ck loves. Lesean McCoy, damn it’s crazy he’s not an eagle anymore but that’s what happen when a new regime comes in. The player received and the moeny earned make it a great deal.
Best value? He is a 12mil RB. Top RB last year Murray was paid 1.7m by the Cowboys. Beast mode has to threaten retirement to fight to try to get 5mil… Who the hell is shady to make 12? Is production dropped 33% last year and he has the most carries in the last two years. Thank god the dope bills have us anything to take that insane contract
this was the most video-game-like trade i’ve ever seen.
Gotta agree, Shady’s deal really doesn’t make sense compared to what he was returning on the field, especially since he was prone to making those negative plays which helped kill drives.
I want to get a bruiser in here as the starter, rather than a shifty guy. I think that fits what we’re trying to do a lot better. One cut and hit the hole hard.
Roto had some great research on UDFA backs that are as productive as 1st / 2nd rounders and you just rotate through those guys — see Jonas Gray, CJ Anderson, Lagerette Blount.
Frighin Marshawn fights for 5mil and he is a force of a Lombardi winner. Who the fuxk is shady to think he should get double what beast mode has to threaten retirement for.. If anything shady ahohld restructure down to like 6mil if he wanted to play for an eagle contender… Instead the jackass is gonna ask for more money soon… He can piss off at those numbers. I would t give that to AP
they offered him $11m to stay for this year.
Shady? I would have told him take 6 or get cut and find out you ain’t worth close to 10 as an RB on the market. He should kiss Buffaloes ass for honoring his insane money.. Instead of Eagles cutting him and he would never sniff 10mil a year Eever again..
no Beastmode. SEA offered Beastmode $11m this year.
Marshawn was paid $10 million in 2012 ($4 million salary + 6 bonus), $7 million in 2013, $6.5 million this past year, and is scheduled for $7 million again in 2015 if he comes back without a new contract (and it sounds like Seattle has already offered him $11 or so). LeSean was at $10 for this year, but then drops to $7.1 in 2016, and $7.8 in 2017. It’s a one-year bubble but otherwise he’s being paid about what Marshawn has been getting — and Marshawn will get more than $10 if he comes back. Granted, some teams do get very good production out of low-tier RBs (see Patriots) but you do need to get a bit lucky that way. It may seem like Chip is going to go that route though. It will hurt to lose McCoy but it’s quite possible that allocating that money elsewhere will have a larger impact.
It’s very possible — maybe they had shopped him around already, so had an idea of what they could get, and perhaps this one was so far above they jumped on it.
I just can’t get into the tweets etc about “Eagles are leaders in getting xxxx” or “eagles are talking to xxxx” … until FA starts — that stuff is all fluff, mostly started by agents to get the buzz going. The rest is just the media throwing darts. Until FA starts … I skip all that stuff…great example:
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Eagles sign Sproles. Media/Fans(not all) — that’s exactly the rb CK wants — someone with great hands and can run in space.
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Today — report Eagles want Ingram: Media/Fans(not all) — that’s exactly the rb CK wants with the straight ahead running style.
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Which is it? LMAO….You can go blind trying to follow this stuff….
https://twitter.com/jeff_mclane/status/573188611740454912
yea for beat writers making stupid speculations
does mclane know how many ILB’s are needed for a 3-4? cuz it ain’t one . . .
Hell we havnt heard anything about Cox extension, WONDER IF HE IS TRADE BAIT.
i heard chip was going to trade all our picks for the duck mascot
Agreed…but it was interesting
no WAY! Kendricks is crazy good!
HAHA he is already hedging his stupid speculation
Lol. He was getting hammered for that
haha yea, 100% that it wasnt his thought, but had to tweet it to take some heat off
I stopped reading his stuff when the Eagles traded McNabb.
Re: The Cost of 10 Wins
One argument against Kelly moving to trade up for Mariota is, in sum, “He’s Mr. Analytics and had to know that winning Game 16 last season would increase the cost of trading up by an additional No. 1 pick — so therefore Kelly must never have intended to move up for Mariota.”
In a word, that argument is wildly wrong.
Going into Game 16, the Eagles were 9-6.
Houston — which selects at pick 16 — was 8-7.
In between were San Diego at 9-6, and Buffalo and KC at 8-7.
Based on strength of schedule, if all five teams, including the Eagles, finished 9-7, Houston would *still* have secured the 16th pick.
Next would have been the Eagles at pick No. 17 — ahead of San Diego, KC, and Buffalo (traded to CLE).
But the Eagles won and, instead, now have the 20th pick.
QUESTION: What’s the difference in value of a 1st Rd pick at 17 and 20?
ANSWER: 100 points.
Pick 17 = 950 pts. Pick 20 = 850 points.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
(For context, the difference between 1st and 2nd overall is 400 points.)
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Now consider, the 1st overall choice is charted at 3,000 points. And the chart is a guide . . . not a set of Newtonian mathematical principles.
To get the 1st overall pick, the Eagles will have to *overwhelm* the Bucs. Absolutely knock them over.
In that light, I don’t see the extra 100 points being the difference between closing the deal or not.
So whatever Kelly would do to make a move from 20 to 1, 100 points on the chart would seem to be the least of his challenges.
But that’s just me.
For a coach like Kelly, you do not play to lose any games at all.
Yes, Anders, he didn’t in Week 17.
The set up was playing Barkley over Sanchez — not to loose the game, but to see Barkley in game action.
From a draft-trade perspective, though, the take away is it really didn’t matter at all if the Eagles won or lost that last game.
The win has zero material effect on a trade.
Maybe Kelly knew. Maybe he didn’t. Maybe he didn’t care.
The more interesting experiment would have involved 8 teams with the Eagles have a chance to get as high as the 13th overall pick.
That’s a 300 point difference — which is close to a 2nd rd pick.
Again, Kelly isnt going to play Barkley just to see him, if he hasnt proven in practices that he deserves it.
Anders:
The Barkley – Sanchez thing is only background.
The argument made was that if Kelly really intended to trade up for Mariota, he wouldn’t have tried to win Week 17 — however that was to be accomplished . . . and by winning, Kelly cost the Eagles an additional 1st Rd pick in any trade-up.
That’s not my argument. I’m just responding to it.
I think it’s just not in him to act that way. Plus, the week before Game 16 isn’t when Kelly has mapped out his pre-draft strategy for the following year. He is more like, there’s a game Sunday, we are going to try like hell to win.
Agree with all points.
Thanks for the analysis AC. Appreciate the insight.
You think he’ll go all the way to #1, seems like the pricing for 1st vs 2nd pick or even 6th is a lot different. I can understand you like a player but i mean, that’s crazy.
A:
You’re sure right about price.
What a difference just between 1st and 3rd overall. Kind of ridiculous.
But I suppose the answer is, “How do you think Kelly thinks about this?”
He seems like the kind of guy who, if committed to something, he’s committed 100% and will minimize as much as possible all externalities.
Who knows what he’s planning. But if he’s decided he want Mariota, he’ll pay the price, bear the burden, meet all hardships to make sure he’s picking #1 . . . and nothing can screw up his plan.
Kelly is a very different cat.
yeah it’s good to see him make moves, i think overall they’ve been good for the team, even if bad for the fans who love certain players.
He’ll be either known as the one who set us back another 10 years or win a Superbowl within 10 year.
As Bob Murphy, the late Mets announcer, used to say . . .
“It’s feast or famine for Mike Schmidt.”
Not sure Kelly trading a few drafts for Mariota would set us more back than Banner/Reid drafting terrible for 3 straight years
depends if Mariota is a hit or miss. If he’s a miss, we’re in for a decade of continuing the search for a coach and QB while struggling to stay afloat with FA talent.
Why? We had zero problems getting a coach last time we failed and if we bomb that terrible with Mariota, then we will most likely draft high for a few years
If we bomb, we don’t get those high picks, the Bucs will.
I really doubt we bomb the next 2-3 years because of Kelly alone, so no the Bucs wont of those
it just sets us back way back, you are left with no qb and the lifeblood of your team (quality draft picks) are gone. Chances are you are going to set back your team even further the next time you take a swing. We’ve taken that struggle for granted because it’s turned out well enough for us. But there are a few franchises who have been irrelevant for over a decade looking for a coach and a QB (Browns the most obvious case, Skins are another)
The Skins and Browns also have terrible FOs, so cant really use them as proof that we will turn into them.
True but it’s a game of probability. Andy hit and miss on some just like Chip is hitting and missing.
Yeah Anders, it is all about the probabilities of success with high draft picks. FA has a higher success rate for obvious reasons. Chip’s done the math. But he has his own calculus as to the value equation. It is up to us to try and figure it out.
I am hearing that Monday we will all know.
There is 100% less variance in FAs if the coach has done his homework. That means going after guys like Barwin instead of Paul Kruger etc.
Bring your Duck Calls to the Linc this year!! would be awesome if every time a Duck made a great play.. duck calls engulf the stadium…
haha that would be a sweet sight/sound..
Proves what I said last year, Jackson’s release was all about cap value.
Too bad they whiffed and won’t get any of the premier guys. We’ll lock up Cox/Kendricks though.
Proves nothing of the sorts — besides speculation…
True, I guess climate change and evolution aren’t proven, either. Pretty damn good educated guess, though.
oh how witty to compare your post to evolution!
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so by “educated” guess, you’re affiliated with the NFL Eagles and have knowledge to what happened? Or by “educated” you mean, you sit on your ass on sundays and pass judgment on Mondays? Either way — you still have zero proof — aside from confirmation from Chip Kelly — you have nothing other than something you want to believe to be true…
Thank you for recognizing my wit. That wit has also recognized that by your standards of “proof” it makes no sense for you to waste any time in the comments section, since there aren’t too many people who sit in on Eagles strategy sessions and comment here. My simple deduction then, is that you are a troll. Which is pretty low on that evolutionary chain.
The fact is, salary cap has made the NFL salary driven. If that hasn’t been included in your education, then you need to go back to school.
Boo-f’n-yah.
Chip Kelly gets my back: “The bottom line is almost every decision you have to make is governed
by money. We’d love to keep everybody if we could pay everybody but it’s
not baseball. We’re all limited by a cap number.”
The New York Daily News’ Manish Mehta expects the Bills “to put on a full-court press” in trying to lure free agent ILB David Harris.
The Bills and Jets will likely be the biggest bidders for Harris’ services, though the Falcons, Bears, and Dolphins have also been linked to the 31-year-old. Harris has been coach Rex Ryan’s “quarterback” of the defense the past six years and would probably be interested in following him to Buffalo. Harris will likely be angling for $6-8 million per year on a multi-year contract. -Roto
I had heard this before — trade makes tons of sense now.
I think Worlids is a smokescreen, too much noise about it. I think we’re going to see at least 1 more huge surprise move, maybe moving Nick Foles for a bigtime player or pick.
why would worlids be a smokescreen? We don’t a starting OLB on the roster.
Just a feeling. It seems like there’s too much buzz in the media about it.
yeah agree that’s a possibility, Media knows we might do something crazy so they’re just going to report on everything hoping they break a story.
Foles for Lavonte David!!!!!!!!!!
That would make the trade for Kiko look like a dumb move because David, as great as he is, is a 4-3 outside backer which in our system he would be a 3-4 inside backer. He is not a rush linebacker.
It was a joke.
Sorry then friend.
Who are the FA OLBs who can actually cover someone and also blitz?
Which teams need OLBs this off-season? (Eagles aside)
depends on how much cover you want (not like Worilds is that good), but McPhee, Sheard and Hughes have experience dropping back
Other teams in the mix?
Thanks, by the way.
I think Sheard can be had for low money, Hughes will demand a lot and some of the 4-3 under team will go heavy after McPhee
I’m not saying Worlids doesn’t make sense, I’m just feeling that there’s way too much buzz about us going after Worlids. Considering our needs, I would have expected Mccourty or Maxwell to be the ones we were in hot pursuit of.
It’s probably true that we want Worlids, it just seems like an odd amount of chatter about it already, for someone who really isn’t a star caliber player.
For what it’s worth, I’m pretty sure Sheard was one of top rated OLBs against the run and I’m coverage
Bills trade for Matt Cassel. Not sure I saw this reported anywhere lower in the comments. Looks like we have some Dream Team competition.
great move for them. Cassel has targets and a great defense. All he has to do is not throw the ball away.
If Cassel could just bottle whatever he was on in 2013 against the Eagles . . .
A-, you’re sure right that Cassel has some talent around him.
And the Bills O-line isn’t too bad.
(Is Cordy Glenn a FA?)
There is another Alabama RB that’s going to hit the market and can be had for nothing.
Ingram? Or someone else?
Richardson
OH GOD NO!!!!
Not that he is much worse than Spiller or Ingram, but thats like saying getting sucker punched is still better than getting kicked in the nuts, it still isn’t pleasant, hence you should avoid it.
hahaha oh man not that guy
He still really intrigues me. He’s obviously changed a ton since he was at Bama. But in this locker room, if Chip could keep his weight down and limit him in the weight room…I bet he could get back on track. He was a FORCE at Bama. And was pretty solid his rookie year as well.
Shaun Alexander?
ATTN Belichick
You commented a day or so back about how, even with the Eagles cap space, the team can’t fill all their spots with premium FAs (I think that’s right).
So — since the trade of McCoy for KA (plus the cuts) — what 4 moves do you see the Eagles making in the near term?
Strike that. *Trying to make* . . .
As we’ll never reliably know what deals failed to materialize (i.e., trades involving QBs, FA signings)
Where exactly is it being reported that Graham’s agent is meeting with the Eagles next week?
GMosher reported yesterday morning that Graham’s gone, along with Coles.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/sources-eagles-lose-both-trent-cole-and-brandon-graham
Coles was later cut.
Nobody knows anything right now.
A little analysis on what some past links could mean
TJ Yeldon/Mark Ingram
Nick Saban is obviously Chip Kelly’s RB producer. CJ Spiller is just a smokescreen for an Alabama RB. While Yeldon/Ingram is a smokescreen behind another smokescreen for…Trent Richardson who will be packaged with GJ Kinne to trade for Eddy Lacy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m not a big Missinelli fan, but i give him credit for his patience he might have some of the dumbest callers on his show.
So let’s talk Salary Cap. (I’m getting all these number off of Over the Cap, and tried to get them accurately as possible) Here’s where I think the most accurate numbers for how much we will spend will lie:
League cap is $143.28mil
League floor is $127.1592mil (this number is 89% of the cap)
For the Eagles to minimally hit the Salary Floor:
Eagles cap plus rollover for 2015: $159.31mil
Eagles 2015 liability including Demeco (pre FA): $110.990mil
Eagles 2015 liability without Demeco (pre FA): $104.525mil
***To just get to the Salary Floor, In FA we’ll need to spend $16.29mil, or $22.63mil, depending on Demeco’s status***
But there’s also the roll over to consider. Where I think most people get hung up on this concept, is that the roll over is any amount higher than the floor, not the cap. For the Eagles specifically
Eagles cap plus rollover for 2015: $159.31mil
Salary Floor: $127.159
Eagles current rollover into 2016 (pre FA): $32.151mil
If you spend less than half that rollover amount, that amount will stay constant. Forever. plug in some numbers and try it if you don’t believe me. If the Eagles don’t want to drain what is basically a $32 million dollar advantage over teams right up against the cap like the Cowboys, they can spend an extra $16.0755mil per year. More, and they’ll drain it. Less, and it will keep growing. Our true number of what we should spend this year in free agency should then be what it would take to get to the salary floor plus the amount to keep our rollover consistent.
***Based on those numbers, the Eagles should be looking to spend $32.365mil, or $38.71mil without Demeco in FA****
If you want analysis from that, I think every FA on the market is on the table, up to and including someone requesting Revis or Suh money. Dream Team is a definite possibility, and even that wouldn’t leave us as financially stretched as the Cowboys. Roseman deserves every bit of his raise.
TLDR: Don’t worry about the Salary cap or how much cap space we have. Worry about the Salary Floor. To maintain our cap rollover advantage, we should be spending no more than $32.365mil in free agency ($38.71mil if Demeco is cut).
32 mill is still a shit ton of money to use in FA
Said it up top–Roseman deserves every bit of his raise.
I 100% think its the only reason Howie was retained
Apparently missanelli is reporting 2015 2016 1st 2nd and 3rd and 2017 first and second for first pick and mike Evans. In comments over at 24/7. Take this with a grain of salt.
Holy crap…no way. Evans is on his way to being a star
Would make zero sense for the Bucs. I know its a lot of picks, but a star WR+franchise QB would worth it.
I do it anyday of the week and twice on draft day
that’s sooooooo many picks. That’s too many. I know chip really wanted mike evans though. but hot damn, I guess that’s one approach to draft uncertainty.
I’m trying not to be gullible but after yesterday… I don’t know.
I know its a ton, but Mike Evans is going to be great, like really great and I think Mariota will be super great as well
he will be and picking late we won’t have the chance to get those types of guys (DBG – maybe)?
You are nuts. The only QB I’d give up 3 1st round picks for is Andrew Luck.
It’s really only two first rounders cause we swap this years.
Plus 3 2nd rounders. As much as I can understand Chip’s love for his lost son, but I’ll pass. Thanks.
It would be sick if we got Mariota+Mike Evans for that
Heeeheeeheee…….
Sure. Toilet sick.
They can keep Evans. I;d rather have my picks.
Evans on a rookie deal when we’re losing maclin… You’re freaking high
I guess everyone is on the one year wonder bandwagon. I’d rather keep the 3 high picks for Evans and turn that into filling other holes.
Too many picks. If Mariota gets hurt, that basically means you’ve busted on 7 high round picks. Name a team that can withstand that–Washington didn’t.
Stop using logic here!!!!!!!
The problem is comparing our situation to Washington isnt logic consider its two wildly different situations.
I don’t want Evans. They can keep him and I’ll take the draft picks back in case Mariota gets his career ended in 2 years.
Why do you not like Mike Evans?
I don’t dislike Evans. I dislike what they want for him.
Mate thats what i said few weeks ago to stop using logic when thinking about what Chip will do or does.. Keeping an open mind with it
You missed the Mike Evans part?
Having 3.5 high round busts doesn’t make that scenario all that more palatable. That’s basically what led to the Eagles falling off the past few years.
That and not having a good QB and promoting the OL coach to DC
well the alternative is having the same guys making picks
Washingon was terrible before Griffin — without trading any picks.
If you think the Eagles are as dysfunctional as Washington, then I think you’re right, no trade should be made.
CS:
Injury’s a concern — but you mean a career-ending injury.
Save micro-fracture surgery with an ACL, I don’t think there’s another football injury that would materially alter Mariota’s skill set and athleticism after 9 months off.
As for career ending? Can’t think of any football injuries.
I was responding your other post, but this is more appropriate:
My point is more that an injury can wipe out all of the goal of the drafting. If RGIII remained healthy, I think we’d all be having a very different conversation, in the same sense that if Nate Allen and Brandon Graham never had knee injuries we’d be having a very different conversation. Brandon Graham might be a nice player, but I’m not okay with a shell of a QB and a WR that’s already missed time for injury for 7 top picks. That’s exactly how you lead to a team with no present AND no future.
*Edit: by the “shell of a player” comment, I’m assuming for the sake of argument that he gets injured at some point.
Understand what you mean much better.
Thanks for the excellent, and friendly, clarification.
Pull up a chair, Leonard Weaver has a story to tell.
This isn’t an exact comparison for many reasons but just to give this proposed trade some context, here’s how it would look using our draft picks from 2012 – 2014.
EAGLES GET: #1 pick in 2015 draft (Mariota), Mike Evans
BUCS GET: (1) Fletcher Cox, (2) Mychal Kendricks, (3) Nick Foles, (1) Lane Johnson, (2) Zach Ertz, (3) Bennie Logan, (1) Marcus Smith, (2) Jordan Matthews
How could we all forget this.
https://vine.co/v/OreTUQTgj3w
(Linky no worky…)
it should now
Thank you! Great moments in coaching!
Rams and Redskins dapping it up? Not smart enough to figure this one out.
Jeff Fisher named all the RG3 trade acquisitions game captains and sent them to the middle of the field in Washington to rub it in…
Ahhh yess
Baloophi:
That’s excellent work.
Damned, excellent lawyerly work.
Mrs. Baloophi would be very proud.
you could also put 2010-2012 as the time frame and it looks quite different
Oh sure. I just thought I would use the most recent for youth purposes. I also didn’t include trade backs and used our own picks… could’ve used another teams “better” or “worse” position in a round, etc. I’m not really passing any judgment on the proposed trade, just trying to attach some names and faces to picks…
True, I just think it makes zero sense, because we already know which of the picks have exceed expectations such as Cox, Ertz, Kendricks, Logan and which havnt. Where we have zero clue what kind of player future draft picks would yield
Sorry for wasting your time, then.
If you had wasted my time, I wouldnt have bothered replying.
Now I’m really wasting everyone’s time!
A person who drives home from a college football Nat’l Championship game in stunned silence with catatonic in-laws and and a shell-shocked spouse ever needs to worry about wasting anyone’s time.
Evuh!
To cover our bases, here’s what 2010-2012 would look like (please note I only included the Jason Kelce trade in 2011 and not the daisy-chain trade from 2010 that also netted Trevard Lindley, Ricky Sapp, Riley Cooper, and Clay Harbor).
EAGLES GET: #1 pick in 2015 draft (Mariota), Mike Evans
BUCS GET: (1) Brandon Graham, (2) Nate Allen, (3) Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, (1) Danny Watkins, (2) Jaiquawn Jarrett, (3) Curtis Marsh (and Jason Kelce via trade-back), (1) Fletcher Cox, (2) Mychal Kendricks
“(3) Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, (1) Danny Watkins, (2) Jaiquawn Jarrett, (3) Curtis Marsh”
I somehow managed not to puke
Something tells me she wouldn’t be…
A little bit of Igglesblitz during the day never hurt anyone.
That basically means we won’t get realistic help from the draft until 2018, and probably 2019 for them to start producing. You better have your team set until then if you make a trade like that. That would scare me way too much. Very odd that the rumor does not include Foles. I would probably hate that trade (unless of course Mariota turns out to be a superstar, and Evans is the real deal). We have to keep our good young players as well which will start to be expensive, and use up a good amount of the cap room we are creating. I really don’t like spending that much.
Is he reporting this as a done deal or just suggesting it as a trade? I’d think it’s the latter or my twitter follows would be lighting up right now. Also, it would make no sense for Tampa to trade Mike Evans.
proposed but there’s been a lot of discussion that CK wants the no. 1 pick, trades posted with the Jets and Titans seemed a lot more reasonable, i’d also want a couple more players in the trade.
Looking closer, no one here has confirmed that Missanelli ever actually said this. Someone at a message board claimed he did, and we all know that message boards attract crazy people.
They sure do.
Now that’s a deal that would get Tampa’s attention.
when has Missanelli broken a story?
If CK did this, I’m off the Chip train.
Agree 100%. I don’t pay more than the draft value chart says.
Lol. So that would be 3 1sts, 3 2nds and 1 3rd. Lol.
Sweet. Maybe Hinkie will throw in a half dozen second rounders as well
I can give shady 11mil for one year while beast mode is begging for 5mil…or I can have a beast of a young LB who can be here 7 years and will play at a high level the next 3 years for under a miil a year for the next 3 years? No brainer!!!!
Beast mode was offered $11m this year. Beastmode and Maclin in the same position.
Beast mode was not begging for $5 million. He’s made a lot more than that from 2012 on ($10 million in 2012, then $7, then $6.5, scheduled for $7 next year and he’s begging to upgrade that to more).
Also assuming he comes back fully healthy from the ACL, but I get your point.
Be fine. ACL injuries are a dime a dozen: Kiko had about as much time as the prudent time we gave Nerlens noel to heal. I’d be worried about victor Cruz injury or micro fracture but Kiko already proved to over an ACL.. We bet on Maclin because he had already recovered from one ACL and he killed it his first year back. IMO worrying about ACL IMO is kind of outdated
It can affect players differently. Maclin is the good example… Stewart Bradley is another. I’m not majorly concerned, but the worry is there.
Is there any concern about he surgery for the torn labrum in his hip? As far as I can tell, his 2nd ACL tear happened when he was working out after the hip surgery
I’d take Lynch for $5 mill in a heartbeat.
Barwin—kiko–Mychal–Worlids and oh yeah: MSII
sounds solid.
I still don’t understand the love for worilds… never seen anything special nor above avg. Work.
He’s one of the few complete pure 3-4 OLB Free Agents. . He can rush the passer and drop into coverage. He might not be excellent in those areas, but he’s good enough to be a solid 3 down LB.
To me he’s the second best option behind only Hughes in this year’s FA.
What if DeMeco isn’t the one leaving? What if Kendricks is going to be part of the trade package to move up for Mariota? After all, Chip doesn’t like undersized linebackers and the other team might be enticed by throwing in a young player as part of the deal.
It’s possible, but doubtful IMO.
kendricks is an athlete, the guy is awesome.
i’d be bummed if we lost him. really.
Please stop. I’m still hurting from the Shady trade.
Is interesting that Meco hasn’t been cut. Also interesting that Kiko and Kendricks are sort of the same players, but we do want mirror LBs.
Cole hasn’t been cut either, technically.
Kiko is 6’3″. Kendricks is 5’11”. Chip has always said “Big people beat up little people.” I would not be shocked if Kendricks becomes a bargaining chip.
Kendricks though shorter out-weighs him by at least a few pounds; does that not enter into the “bigness” question?
I thought Kendricks had shorter arms. I think that also factors in. Chip is big on arm length
I am hearing those rumblings as well. I would be pissed if we get rid of kendricks in favor of meco coming off his second Achilles at age 30.
Not the worst thing to have some depth especially when you have guys coming off injuries
I wouldn’t assume that DeMeco possibly staying means Kendricks would be traded. What if Alonso played OLB on 1st and 2nd down and then was at ILB in the nickel package when you brought in a 3rd down pass-rusher? Ryans could be a strictly 1st and 2nd down linebacker at an agreed to reduced rate.
According to Alonso himself (01/19/15), Ryan was moving him to OLB.
http://www.buffalobills.com/video/audio/Kiko-Alonso-Excited-for-Outside-Linebacker/5a158549-2a62-4a3f-b635-52315911a9dc
Apparently, he decided he wanted out because of the position change.
Rex likes thumpers in the middle.
I don’t like Alonso as an OLB. He’s only 240 lbs. Barwin, for example, is about 265 lbs. I think Alonso would take a beating having to take on offensive tackles all of the time. Remember, big people beat up little people.
agree
Can’t see the coaches relying on 2 players coming off major injuries to be the starters…
Just getting caught up with the world after a root canal yesterday. Not to mention I have been trying to avoid the football world for a bit.
Have to say this isn’t the worst trade in the world. Lesean could very well be on the decline already. Running backs are sort of a dime a dozen these days even if he isn’t. If Kiko returns to form I think just about any smart NFL team these days would value the MLB over the RB. Saves money. I can live with this.
That being said… I hate injury prone players.
I’ll bet you’re high as a kite on those pain pills right now. I remember I was after I got my wisdom teeth out.
how happy are the g-men right now that shady is gone?
he was a giant killer and will be missed for real.
love that guy!
Cowgirl fans are happy too.. Thats why i would crack up at them if Eagles signed Murray lol
these are not smart fan bases if this makes them happy
Joe Pannunzio was finally added to the Eagles’ website. His title is “Director of Personnel Operations”.
Oh boy can we call him Joe Pa!?
No?
shoot
Joe Pan.
He’s a terrible caddy.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/tailgate/2007/07/medium_caddyshack_1.jpg
Right when I say the Eagles haven’t officially cut Cole, the Eagles officially cut Cole.
yeah by his actions yesterday i figured that was clear yesterday.
Kelly’s statement sounds like he’d be open to bringing Cole back if he can’t get a better deal than Eagles’ last one on open market. Said they expressed the desire to Cole and his agent to have Cole back and they’ve been talking for a couple of weeks but at this time they think it’s best to let Cole explore other options.
that’s good to hear, given all that CK has said about COle it’d surprise me if he did a djax.
Jon Dorenbos (signed in Nov 2006) now becomes the longest-tenured Eagle, followed by Brent Celek (drafted 2007), Jason Peters (traded for in April 2009), and Jeremy Maclin (drafted in 2009).
Man would have to be a magician to stay on this roster for that long.
It’s magic.
Nola putting players up for grabs. Curtis Lofton is the first.
Between Houston, Buffalo and New Orleans we’ve developed one of the league’s best farm systems…
it’s not a bad way to go about things, drafting is crap shooting getting FA typically you know what you are getting, not much projection.
the draft could be really boring for us.
I agree. Could be a shifting inefficiency we’ve picked up on (think of the Sproles and Meco trades, and then going the other way, the Bryce Brown trade).
Pounce when teams fire coaches and change schemes, run into cap issues, etc., and avoid some (most?) of the projection issues.
They need to shed $28mil to get under the cap. There’s probably not a player on the team they can’t afford to at least hear trade offers for. Graham? Byrd? Time to pick apart the carcass.
Sounds like my wife spending money at an estate sale! I like approach to value buys.
Brees
Another RB option(although they might be doing this so they can re-sign Ingram/their cap is a mess):
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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More #Saints news: They’ve informed veteran RB Pierre Thomas that they are releasing him, source says.
i like him less than richardson.
I like Thomas but he has some age on him. If you want a Pierre Thomas type, but younger, I’d target Roy Helu.
i like Helu, he’ll be cheap, like Vareen too, he’ll be cheap.
I struggle to see Helu as anything other than a 3rd down back. And we already have Sproles.
odds makers move eagles’ SB odds from 15-1 to 20-1 after shady trade. Amazing people think he has that much value.
i believe the quote was “who’s gonna run the ball?” well, there’s a draft and free agency. how is this person in charge of oddsmaking?
I wouldn’t mind spiller or Reggie Bush as a back up. I feel like Murray would be good but i think last season will take a toll. I am intrigued by Ingram. But still wouldn’t have to much trust in him.
I think you’re correct that the total number of touches by Murray on top of his soft approach to staying on the field is enough to keep me away from his price tag.
I heard some brief conjecture on Sirius today that DeMeco hasn’t been cut because he could be a throw in as part of a deal with Tampa and/or the Jets to move up for Mariota.
I don’t see that as anything other than a very remote chance because of DeMeco’s uncertain injury status, but they can certainly use him as the guy the cut to have enough money left over for in-season moves.
makes no sense to me
I agree that seeing DeMeco as having any trade value is a major long shot, but it came out of Pat Kirwan’s mouth so I’m inclined to not dismiss it as totally out of hand.
I agree it doesn’t make sense to expect DeMeco to have any value and I’d prefer to cut him, but I wanted to pass along something that a respected person stated.
if we really are making a trade with Tampa than really all bets are off the table. I do have to say, if you think Mariota is your guy for the next 15 years 3yrs of pain isn’t terrible.
so what’s the prediction on what we give up in the trade?
Depends on where we go.
Here is the only thing I find important in judging it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
I’m at the point where I don’t much care for how high they go for Mariota (if a team doesn’t want him themselves), but I cannot stomach overpaying for the guy.
If we can look to get him at 6 by trading with the Jets;
The 6 is worth 1600. The 20 is worth 850. We need to make up 750 points.
Our 1 next year could be assumed to be about the same or slightly less. Call it 700-ish.
Figure we have to give up Foles as well, and call it a day.
2015-first, 2016-first, and Foles.
And this is all only if Tampa doesn’t take Mariota #1.
As a rule of thumb, future picks get downgraded by about a round so next year’s first would be worth around 350-ish.
I know that applies by themselves when one is going a straight pick for pick swap like when to week Carolina’s next year #1 for our current year #2 a few years ago, but I’d still say
850 – 2015 1
400 – 2016 1 (given a value estimated at mid-round value for second round)
For a total of 1250
Foles is worth at least 350 to equal out the 1600 for the 6th pick.
I don’t disagree but if I’m the Titans the only thing that stops me taking MM is a serious package of picks so you probably need to get higher than 6.
Plus everyone knows how much Chip is likely to want him so you probably have to overpay. I’m against anything that eats into the 2017 draft to any real extent. Giving up a couple of firsts and a second or two plus maybe Foles I could get on board with. Probably. I dunno. You need a QB to win, but history is against going all in on one guy.
Titans like Mettenburger and Wis isn’t a guy who has ever looked to play a Mariota type guy.
And I’m not overpaying above chart value. “Everybody” can know what they’d like to know, but we’d have to get outbid to get extorted.
we are trading for Tampa’s pick. Not number 6.
Can you get Tampa’s pick?
I’m not sure they want to not keep it for starters. Also, getting to 3000 points is a bit nutty if we’re only starting with 850 for our pick at 20.
I believe we are going to do so. I’m asking what do we all think Chip will give up to get there.
I know you think we should have gotten a 2nd with Kiko, so you are the wrong person to ask.
I think it’s going to include one of our star up and comers, and it’s going to be painful.
I’m actually more in favor of using an up and coming star as opposed to extra draft picks. What has me worried about Mariota in a trade is that we’d give up so many draft picks that we’d lack low cost stars in the next 3 years to play along side of Mariota.
If it wound up being #20, Foles, Kendricks, and Fletcher Cox that would be better than having no ability to add talent to the roster other than UDFAs because we’re capped out and have no draft picks for 3 years.
eh…I hear what you’re saying, but the draft is such a crap shoot, it makes little sense to me from a talent stand point that you’d take the biggest hits you’ve had from the last few drafts and send them packing just to preserve more lotto tickets that have a less than 50% chance of making it anyways.
But the more you play, the more you win. And you win a guy on chump money for 4 or 5 years, so that might be our best option for stocking a 53 man roster if we run it to the hilt in free agency this year and cannot afford to resign Kendricks, Alonzo, Cox, Lane Johnson, Bennie Logan, Zach Ertz, and Jordan Matthews in the next 3 years.
I think a player (other than or in addition to Foles) becomes part of the package, too. Especially if this is going to happen before the draft. Tampa has little incentive to pull the trigger on a 19 spot drop in the first round before draft day or free agency has played itself out unless Chip REALLY sweetens the pot. Given that, I’m actually surprised we haven’t seen more “Tampa Starting to Consider Mariota” stories to drive up the price… perhaps after Tuesday when they meet with Jameis. In terms of the ask, I think they assume Foles is thrown in, though I doubt Tampa really sees him as “the answer” at QB (just as we’re not certain about him). Foles wouldn’t carry a “franchise QB” level value for them but maybe closer to a second round pick: again, they hold all the leverage so Foles would be underpriced no matter what. I think their next biggest need is OT. I don’t see why they wouldn’t start by asking for Foles, Johnson and a bevy of picks. If the Eagles won’t deal Johnson then the pick number goes up and/or Tampa goes down the list: Ertz, Matthews, Cox, Alonso? (I know Tampa’s a 4-3 but Cox and Alonso are two good/versatile players).
I would also think Chip has been talking framework with every team from 1 – 15, and I’m sure he discussed Foles with Buffalo even if only to gauge their interest as well as his potential value to other teams. That sort of information puts you in better position to deal with Tampa as you can maybe get a sense of what players other teams are looking to deal so you’ll know what packages you’d have to beat to get Tampa’s pick. Once you assemble what you think would be the best alternative offer, you kick-in the pre-draft, 19-spot premium sweetener – whether that’s something like an extra 2017 1st rounder or – gulp – young, fringy Pro-Bowler(s).
I think it’s someone like Kendricks, Cox or Lane Johnson. Foles might be included but he is a throw in. It’s those other guys that get Tampa to do it.
Can’t do Lane. We need Peters protection.
I really think Cox and Johnson (haha) are out of consideration. Cox is way too valuable to the defense, and Johnson is an absolute stud at a position Kelly values second only to QB. We just let go of our starting RG, our left gaurd is going to be 34 years old next season and our left tackle (the guy Johnson is pegged to replace for the next decade) is 33 years old and starting to show signs of decline. No way Kelly sets himself up to have to replace 4/5ths of his oline by the end of next years offseason. Franchise left tackles are one of the most difficult centerpeices for any franchise to obtaine and one of the most important positions on the field…again probably second only to QB. You don’t just trade them away to move up in the draft. Chip’s smart enough to know that someone needs to be able to block for Mariota for him to be successful.
Something I haven’t considered…do you think Kelly would consider trading Jason Peters? Another sell high a year too early deal rather than a year too late
nah you listen to how he talks about certain players, celek, peters, kecle, meco, i’d be surprised if any of them are moved.
is this from the Mike miss nonsense. Id much prefer to go to 5 or 6 than 1. Too much risk in years ahead per picks to gamble on one guy. My opinion anyway, still a lot to get to 6 but unreasonable to 1.
I’d agree on targeting him at 4 or 6, but if it takes going to #1 to get him we need to be ready to evaluate if the Eagles got ripped off or not.
I don’t think Rob was using Miss as his guide here.
For those of you who would like Murray, here is an interesting article about backs coming 400+touches in a season:
http://www.footballguys.com/06yudkin_400touches.php
Figured this figured into Chip’s thinking on Shady’s work rate vs. expected future returns.
Makes Murray as an Eagle even more doubtful in my mind.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_SN0mOU8AAoHX1.jpg
Looks like a very promising prospect… just depends on paw size.
T-rex arms! Measurables
Always great to read your rare but excellent comments!
Elusive running style
Oddly described as a “dancing bear.”
i dont understand Mosher… i just dont. the guy is supposed to be an insider i dont get where he gets off saying that we should have gotten more than Kiko for shady, if this was the NBA business model, i would understand his thinking..but in the NFL, i have no clue how Mosher can think that..
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Im shocked we were able to get anyone to take shadys contract, and I never expected to get more then a 4th or 5th round pick in return for such an albatross contract. shady the player is worth way more then a 4th but I think that contract serious lowers his value as a trade chip… especially since if a team really wanted shady, they could just stand still and wait for the eagles to cut him if the eagles are offering him to you in a trade.
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when the cowboys paid 1.7 petty chump change dollars(by pro sports standard) for the leading rusher in the NFL next season, I dont understand how a RB with an 11million dollar price tag can possibly get you more then a kiko type of young player…
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i can understand not wanting to lose shady… i get that 100%, and im going to miss the best back in franchise history just like everyone else… but in the NFL, i dont get how anyone can have a problem with the compensation we got in return… its more then a fair trade as far as im concerned, actually i think the bills are crazy for giving us kiko for a RB we would just cut, who makes ridiculous money…
Mosher is a puppet.
I love the trade.
absolutely!! and shady was the best back i ever had the pleasure of rooting for
Peter King said the exact same thing right away about getting more than just Kiko for Shady.
The reasons why the Eagles weren’t able to get a draft pick in addition to Kiko are plausible, but I think its silly to dismiss the thought of getting picks in addition to Kiko is a bit absolutist.
are they confusing the league business models with the NBA?… i dont understand?
Peter King is a dinosaur. He has no thoughtful analysis.
This trade gave me a whole new level of confidence in Chip.
Peter King is an absolute buffoon. I think media who don’t understand the salary cap and how it affects player trade values deserve to be criticized.
I swear to you I know like 14year old kids that seriously might have a better understanding of how the cap effects certain situations from playing Madden, more then some paid media members understand
Think its just change and people are apprehensive. It’s difficult to admit that a 10 win team was in need of a rebuild, but that seems to be the way chip sees it. It’s not a full sixers rebuild obviously, but some fans probably think with the right moves we could have been strong contenders next year. PERSONALLY I’M NOT QUITE SURE. Obviously we are creating a lot of holes with the trade and releases, but we all just need to be patient until the end of the offseason to see what his transpired and how many holes are left. It kinda sucks to think we are still a year or two away–again– but who knows…
“but we all just need to be patient until the end of the offseason”
Key point! I can’t do a final judgement until I see what the 53, future salary cap numbers, and future draft picks left over look like.
the one thing that excites me… is chip is a fierce competitor… the fact that his eagle offense is setting franchise records on the backs of guys like Shady and Desean, yet THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR CHIP EXCITES ME!…. when you see what desean and lesean did under chip, it takes some real balls to move on from players like that, and it excites me that its not good enough for chip kelly… i respect that, and im so intruiged to see the rest of his plan….. with that said, when we see the second part of the plan, maybe we will hate it, maybe we will regret this when we see what chip does with the cap space…. but i dont think we got robbed or anything…i think we got more value in return then i expected especially when we also got someone else to eat that crazy salary
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chip isnt making these moves because one day he woke up and said lets see how i can make my football team worse today.. the man is trying to improve this team at all times, and im intruiged to see it unfold
some other layers of the trade to consider..
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1)if Kiko Alonso was in this years draft, he would be hands down a first round pick, because he would easily be the #1 LB drafted in this current draft class.
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2) Shady is one of the few 3 down backs in the NFL and he needs to be respected and praised for that as a RB…but no matter that shady is good on 3rd down or not, YOU KNOW we want and we will USE SPROLES on 3rd down. shady is a 3rd down back, but he CANT be a 3rd down back anymore when you are paying FOR SPROLES, no matter what we think, chip will want Sproles on the field on 3rd down…. so not only are we talking about paying an absurd 11 mil for a RB, which is 9mil more then the cowboys paid for Murray the leading yardage RB last year…. we would essential be paying 11mil for a RB who would be used as a 2 down RB this year…. how can that possibly make sense to anyone?
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we have our 3rd down back, we cant pay 11 mil for a guy to play on 1st and 2nd down… there just is no way you can justify that…
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thinking back, I also start to remember all the times chip raved about sproles work ethic and practice Habits, yet I dont really recall chip ever talking about Shady in that light,,,and how you practice, what you do in the offseason, how you go about your business monday thru saturday during the season matters so damn much to chip, and the only piece of the puzzle we have, is what we see sunday on game day…. there is so much more to the Equation then we get to see,…
All apt reasons for me to be generally in favor of the trade.
GE’s Top 5 Free Agent RB targets for the Eagles:
1. AP (if he becomes available)
2. Forsett
3. CJ Spiller
4. Ingram
5. Ridley
Forsett has had one good year and he’s like 40 right? I’m good
Huh?!
Forsett is 29 and has 582 career rushing attempts. For comparison purposes Shady at the age of 26 has 1,461 carries. Talking about “tread on tires”…
If I cant have AP, i would go with the cheapest RB, because I want Polk and Sproles to play much more than they did last year when shady was here…and after this next season, i want to cut the RB, and make sure i come out of the next draft with Zeke Elliot…. normally its retarded to go into a draft targetting a certain player THat you HAVE TO HAVE…. but at RB and G, those are the two positions you can pull that off because no matter how good the RB or Guard is, good chance they will fall out of the top 10… and if you can count on a RB or Guard not going in the top 10, it wont be costing some absurd kings ransom to trade up to secure the #1 RB or Guard in a draft class because they are so devalued…
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fill enough long terms holes NOW, so next year we can afford to spend a pick trading up from our first round pick NEXT year to secure ZEKE!!!
Duce, Westbrook,Shady…ZEKE is an appropriate high level RB talent that can play in a city with such a rich RB history
I don’t think anybody – apart from AP maybe – of the aforementioend RBs will be difficult to cut in two years time.
Speaking of Elliot: I’ll cream my pants if he becomes an Eagle!
RB is so damn devalued, that if you are committed to coming out with Zeke, i dont even think it would be that hard to secure him assuming he doesnt go in the top 10…and i can say that no matter where we end up picking in round 1…,… the ONLY way it would be too hard to get zeke so it wouldnt worth targeting him, is if he ends up going top 10, but i find it hard to believe that a RB will be picked in the top 10
apparently we won’t have a 12 or 3 for the next 5-10 years so he might not be available.
lol yeah right.. i know you know that Nicky Bigtime is our QB no matter what the insanity says
the same Forsett who just had a great year for the Ravens? they are letting him go? I thought he looked like a new player in their scheme, Im surprised.
The feeling here is of Chip putting all his…sorry, chips on the table. Abandoning convention and conservative play for one big hand. Crazy but exhilarating. I know he must plan to add some major talent, but as of now, he is gutting the team. We have lost DeSean, McCoy, Cole–perhaps Graham, Curry, Demeco, Maclin. Not to mention Sconces and Herremans. That is a lot of starter material to replace in one offseason. Has that ever been done?
With the exception of Shady (I’m not counting DeSean because we’re a year past that move) all of these guys were marked for an exit anyway. It don’t think we’re talking as drastic of a roster change as one might believe.
think im ready to bet that demeco is NOT getting cut…
I don’t think cutting older and/or under performing guys to free up $40M+ of cap room as abandoning conservatism. Only the Shady deal is aggressive.
Letting Cole go when he wouldn’t restructure his $11M cap number is the conservative play.
You shouldn’t have mentioned Sconces in the same sentence with all the others…
To be fair, he actually mentioned Sconces in a different sentence to the others (except Herremans).
1970 Rams.
After the season, LA fired HC George Allen — who immediately was hired by Washington’s managing owner, and lawyer extraordinaire, Edward Bennett Williams.
Allen team then promptly acquired from the Rams 6 of their defensive starters plus a starting OG for a package including 3 No. 1 picks plus various 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Rd picks.
Allen lived by the mantra, “The Future is Now.”
Washington went from 6-8 to 9-5 and, then, in ’72 to 11-3 and the SB.
All told, Allen traded 10 straight 1st Rd picks of Washington and 8 of 10 2nd Rd picks.
And during his 7-year tenure as Washington’s coach from ’71-’77, Washington — which had been a perennial doormat — made playoffs 5 times (when only 4 teams qualified), won 3 NFC East titles, and reached the SB once.
His 7-year record was 67-30-1. Worst season was 8-6 in ’75.
Williams fired Allen after the ’77 season, after he went 9-5, in part because despite having an unlimited budget, Allen found a way to exceed it.
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By the way . . . the ’71 Rams, after trading all those starters, went 8-5-1 . . . missing the playoffs by half a game.
The Over-the-Hill gang, fond memories. But more than a few here would score that a loss since they didn’t win the SB.
Yes they were!
So many great teams in the NFC (and AFC) during that period.
Cowboys, Rams, Vikings, Steelers, Dolphins, Raiders. Even St. Louis for a couple years under Coryell.
But at least Washington got to the SB. And remained highly competitive — even without so many picks.
Allen was a real master at eying talent.
Shame the IQ dropped off in a major way this his son.
that’s really funny. both of them, actually.
I happily sent money to run one of those Allen children out of office in 2006 and keep him out of it in 2012.
And how would Allen have fared with a salary cap? That is a distant era. He was also getting, it sounds like, seven or so good players for those picks (which is kinda what you would hope to draft in those years) without a salary cap being a limitation nor much of a fear of losing players to free agency — he could keep them for their quality playing years. We would be getting just one (or maybe two) players back for that haul instead, and pray he is a superstar QB. If we have any future holes on the team… we can’t fix it via the draft and will have probably used all our cap room on free agents this year plus locking up the young talent we have. If we have no draft picks, and no cap room, then there is no way to fix holes on the team that come up (short of cutting the expensive guys you have and creating new holes, or coming up with stars with 5th round picks).
great stuff.
Allen was a profligate spender. He’d have struggled terribly in this era as a coach-czar.
Probably not a consideration now after signing Jones and acquiring Alonso, but apparently 49ers’ LB Michael Wilhoite can be had for a 6th or 7th round pick. He’s an exclusive rights free agent(can still be traded). 3rd year player, I believe. Good STer.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-49ers-offering-lb-michael-wilhoite-in-trade/
Might be if Kendricks ends up on the block as well :/
we would have to cut Demeco for another LB to be added, and im not so sure that losing Meco is a lock THIS YEAR.. if i had to bet on whats happening with Meco, I would have to bet on chip keeping Meco… i dont know what his price tag will be, but i expect meco to work it out and stay here atleast 1 more year…. i know no one believes that, but we’ll see…
Chip Kelly’s has 12% of a plan
Indeed. Off-Season is 12% complete. .
I am now willing to bet money Mac and Demeco will be here next year… lets just leave it at that…
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THIS would be a NIGHTMARE for me, but in the back of my mind I am more worried about Kendricks NOT being here next year, then I am about Mufasa Ryans not being here… I havent heard anything concrete that should alarm anyone about losing Kendricks… but if im being honest its a tiny concern in the back of my mind..
What is his cap hit? Are you thinking money or size puts him in jeopardy?
the trade for Mariotta puts him in jeopardy
As a player who is on the cusp of being paid big money, he might not be able to be kept given anticipated free agent additions.
If Kendricks, along with Fletcher Cox, can protect our ability to draft the next Kendricks and Fletcher Cox and have them for chump change salaries; I’d be more inclined to see players go to Tampa.
the next Cox aint growing on trees
But would it be leaving no matter what because it wants to play in a 4-3 and we won’t pay it what it wants?
look at all our cap room!
For now. Talk to me after free agency ends.
LOL yeah OK.,..
hahahaha
sorry fallic joke
I would much rather trade picks than Cox or Kendricks… ESPECIALLY COX
Here’s the problem. We won’t be able to re-sign Cox or Kendricks if we do a ton at other positions in free agency this year.
Maybe trading those guys now allows you to draft the vital low-cost players on rookie deals any team needs to be successful.
We have 50 mil in space, a cap guru, and a potential release of Ryans (depending on more moves at ILB); Extending Cox and Kendricks should not kill us. People also forget Cox has a fifth year option, and we never use the Franchise Tag– but we could if we have to. You don’t let a Cox get away… (Yes I know)– He is probably the best player on our team
You could very well be right, but I’ll believe it when they’re signed.
you dont sign any free agents that cost us our young studs… thats such bad business its not even funny
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Im pretty certain that chip would rather grow his own players then arranged marriage with some other teams 26yr old… so i no we get crazy with our free agent wish list, but i find the notion that chip would lose his high level young talents who he has developed for two years and are just scratching the surface to sign some name brand free agent from another team who is already in his prom and chip barely even knows is just ABSURD! no shot in hell Do i belive chip wotrks that way…no matter how crazy we and the media are getting about the free agent wish list… the first thing the eagles doing with that 50mil, is setting aside our young studs money. we may not give them the money til like October, but you can bet Cox, Kendricks, Logan, Ertz, Lane at the very least will have their money set to the side right of the top… and if we cant pay for free agent so be it…
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Id bet anything chip knows you build through the draft and would rather have 23 and 24yr olds he has been grooming since they were NFL infants, then some name brand free agent he has never even seen practice… practice, MATTERS to chip.. walking on the friggin grass matters to chip.. we wont piss away our puppies no matter how insane the media is about chip and marriotta insanity
yes sir..
ding, ding, ding….. Im not saying Chip wants to lose Kendricks at all! i think Chip thinks extremely high of Kendricks..
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and its no secret I have serious doubts about chip going thru and paying what it costs to get Marriotta. people act like its a foregone conclusion and im not even close to getting there yet on that topic/…but I also cant 1000% sit here Knowing for a fact it wont happen. I assume Cox is untouchabe to chip regardless what other people seem to think, but if players need to be included for chip to get MM and he plans on going through with the trade. but cox is untouchable, kendricks would be one of the next most valuable trade chips… but thats just a small 5% concern in the back of my mind, large in part because i expect both Meco and Kiko to be here next year…
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id be pissed if we trade Mykal… Kiko/Kendricks is like a dream come true..
Tampa is devoid of LB talent outside of L-David.
Kendricks would be a PERFECT fit at MLB in Lovie Smith’s Tampa-2 defense.
Smith did great with London Fletcher, at 5’10”, centering his defense with the Rams (before becoming the Bears’ HC).
And it’s far easier to see Kelly putting Kendricks in a deal than either FCox or LJohnson.
Harder to find lineman like those guys than an ILB. And what difference would having Kendricks make if FCox was gone.
For Tampa, acquiring Kendricks plus the No. 20, plus a 2nd, this season would be very nice haul by itself. Throw in another 1st and 2nd, and you have an outstanding deal.
Kendricks, a known quantity, is like getting a Top 15 pick (or in that neighborhood).
[I’ll leave to GEagle and other informed draft-nicks to peg where v.2014 Kendricks would go in the 2015 draft.]
The downside is the cost of extending him — though the Bucs have plenty of money.
I’d contend that Cox not being signed long term yet could make him expendable in that trade.
I totally agree on Lane Johnson. That’s our next HOF left tackle.
Doug Whaley is geting Rex Ryan some horses. Matt Cassel and Shady. Look for Bills to go for OL support in FA and/or draft. Great D, Sammy W and Shady. Rex is already game-planning New England.
Cassel isn’t the long term answer at QB and EJ Manuel is a disgrace to the position.
Big hole in that roster.
they don’t have a first rd pick so no choice really.
I’d tell you that Matt Moore would be better than either.
Cassel is not a bad interim QB. If Rex gets consistent 8 in the box, which I think he will look to do, Cassel is good enough to make the D pay – most D’s. Their D is one of the best in the league, and OL is the biggest need, which I’m sure they’ll address. Cassel is a huge improvement for that offense.
What is all this Kendricks nonsense I’m hearing from you guys, if he or Cox goes then Kelly can kiss my ass til he starts showing me stuff
I agree with this. we cannot think we want a good defense and get rid of kendricks, that’s nonsense.
you might as well be throwing darts trying to guess players involved in draft day trades. Its impossible and isnt it pretty rare? Much more like to be straight picks in future drafts than any players involved. I guess moving up from 20 could definitely make players an option though.
Well, this is our electronic dartboard.
ha indeed.
I can’t believe we’re even talking about a trade with Tampa. Not only do we have big body nicky stixx but we could also probably overdraft hundley at 20 and let him sit behind nick, worst case. The fact that we’re talking about this is crazy to me, especially at the price to get to no. 1.
I’m a Foles guy, but if Chip is focused on Mariota I’d like to discuss what it would take to do that in a manner that would be best for the Eagles.
If we’re sticking with Foles, I want no parts of Hundley.
You want no part of any QB that isn’t a statue.
Did you mean to say any type who QBs in a way that is actually proven to be successful long term?
I think there are people talking about it because they desperately want it to happen, and people talking about it because it seems like a real possibility that Chip would do whatever it takes to land Mariota. I feel like I’m in the middle but find the question: “What would it take?” interesting: There is no real “set price” in that the RG3 trade was an anomaly; Mariota seems to be an acquired taste; we’re not certain about Tampa’s intention. Those factors – at the very least – make discussing the cost interesting… at least to me.
Remember . . . the Rams did an auction for that 1st pick.
Any interested team had 1 shot to make their best offer. No negotiations.
Very smart business move by Les Snead and may account for the overpayment.
Right. Also a different landscape with the pre-draft hype of Luck and RG3. This year is definitely more of a “best of a crappy class” feel, though that doesn’t change the ever-present demand for QB’s. Wish I had paid more attention in Econ… all I remember is something called a marginal cost curve and the professor’s incessant use of “tuna fish steak company” in lieu of “widget company” in every practical example.
Agreed.
Bits of game theory also. If everyone goes after the best option no one wins.
As I said I wasn’t paying much attention, but this “game theory” sounds like fun! Shades of D3FB’s Brett Hundley prisoner’s dilemma matrix.
I’m still trapped in there!!!
Does it look like this in there?
This is what Hundely looks like.
http://media.oregonlive.com/oregonian/photo/2014/10/11/-9b46fd727080cfdd.jpg
I have my iPhone . . .
but there’s the large, shadowy figure with horns that I keep seeing around corners
Do you have a ball of string or some bread crumbs?
exactly the post i was referring too lol
I saw that movie!
I’m looking at it through the “Chip might do this, so how much is fair vs. how much is too much if he does.”
I’m warming to Mariota because folks have convinced me that he won’t have to run around on every play like some Scam Newton or Kaepertrash type to be successful.
I think I’m right there with you in terms of “cautious curiosity.”
And I do trust Chip’s general focus on repetitive accuracy and ball security for his QBs. I think Mariota can provide those without having to run around and shorten his career RGMe style.
your telling me…. i turned on the radio and the first thing i heard Misanelli say with certainty is “we know Foles will NEVER be good enough, and we cant pass out the opportunity to get the perfect franchise QB for chip kelly and that we have to do whatever is required to get him”,…. and the sad part is how can i even bash missanelli when their are thousands and THousands of eagles fans who really think the same thing…
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a college kid who never threw a slant pass from under center, is our sure shot Franchise QB GOD that we need to do whatever it takes to get, jump thru whatever hoop the bucs tell us to, bend over as many times as they ask… GTFO here with this bullshit… Its an Insult to chip the things this fanbase just assumes he will do… smh
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but we are such a smart fanbase. we know our football. You cant fool Philly fans LOL
Also feel like Kelly was lying when he said he was happy with the roster last season…
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Falls under the heading of never believe anything Kelly says publicly.
Fools’ gold.
(Not criticizing him. That’s who he is.)
I didn’t believe anything he said after he cut Djax. You would have to be a fool to not know that nothing is set in stone with Chip.
I will be very sad if they trade Kendricks. Because Davis and Chip always talk about the Defense being a mirror. Well Alonso and Kendrick would make a nice mirror. You could move them around and flip formations and never change personnel.
Like is there a reason you guys think Kendricks may be gone
We’re trading Foles/Matthews for Kuechly duhhhhh
Just conjecture about combinations of things that Tampa would take for #1 IF Kelly chooses to go up there.
only if its the only thing that keeps us from having to trade Cox… i dont think its to a point where you have to worry about it… just a 5% concern in the ack of my mind because i know meco is staying
What if Meco is cut, Kendricks goes in a trade, and Brooks Reed is signed?
to be honest with you, you got me Kiko and Kendricks, how can i complain if they dont want to keep Meco? i wont say a word… but when talking about what Im expecting to Happen, I dont expect Meco to not be on this roster THIS YEAR… Next year is the Earliest I would expect us to cut him….i can be wrong, wont be one of the first times…but if you put a gun to my head and guessing right will depend if I live, Id like my odds with Meco staying lol guess we will find out soon if i would get my brains blown out…
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but if the eagles announce the release of him in an hour, I wont complain, I wont be mad, I would completely understand WHY they would do that… but no, i dont actually think it will happen
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Im not interested in losing Kendrick/Kiko tandem, as in i dont even care to discuss the thought lol… im so excited I waited the entire andy era for two LB like them… they can become better then Trott and Emmons which was the best duo andy had, followed by shawn Barber
Not at his salary. Which means we’d have to extend him. Is he worth it riding the bench? If we have Alonso and Kendricks, both are 3 down LB…
To me nothing Kelly’s done so far this season has antagonized me; it seems like he got good return for Shady considering the size of his contract. What I am really not on board with is the notion of this massive trade-up for Mariota.
I really dont understand how we can be 10 days away from free agency, and fans hear reports about who we will target, and automatically believe them, especially knowing our track record not leaking much….
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i dont understand how we can read a report that says the eagles are going to go after Worlids and just assume thats our reality? i dont get it… when I read a report like that, my brain automatically thinks the opposite… its one think if Jay Glazier says it…. but to hear some reporter say that the philadelphia Eagles are going to target Worlids, i would be really concerned if Worlids was one of the players I really wanted… For Example, Im Praying the Eagles Sign Da’Norris Searcy and it makes me THRILLED to know that Not one single reporter has said that the Eagles are targeting him… NFL reporters dont have very good accuracy rates when they talk about WHAT WILL HAPPEN in general, how the hell can i expect them to be accurate during one of the most competitive times of the year, where you have to compete with like 6 teams any time you want to sign a player. GMs treat free agency and the draft like some super secret cold war, by the nature of the job, it doesnt pay for GMs to tell the friggin truth this time of year…
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I want the Eagles to Sign Da’Norris Searcy so im THRILLED not to ever hear any reports linking him to us, because that makes me feel there are better odds of it actually happening if no one knows about… but in some cases, a broken clock is right twice a day.. for example, I want Searcy, but the world links us to McCourty, and in some cases like this, the fit can be so obvious that media is able to know who is #1 on our wish list… if you know anything about what the eagles look for in a safety for this scheme and you know Mccourty game, its easy to see that on some level you can bet the Eagles do have interest…sometimes its so obvious that the premise of this post doesnt apply… for example, eagles secondary has sucked for years, doesnt take some brilliant insider to know that the eagles might be interested in the #1 CB and #1 Safety on the market, Maxwell and McCourty, and when the eagles do want someone thats so obvious there isnt anything they can do to really create a smoke screen…
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but when I look at this STACKED OLB Market, I cant for the life of me understand why the hell anyone would think that the OLB being reported to us 10 days away from the market opening is the real #1 target of the eagles… why would we ever allow that to leak when you have a chance at masking your true intentions becasuse there are a bunch of other credible options available… sometimes the fit between player and team is too perfect to hide… but if the Eagles are REALLY REALLY Hell Bent on going after Worlids the moment the market opens, I would be expecting to hear rumors about Sheard being our true target, or reports about jon jerry or Orakpo, or McPhee being our true target, basically every decent OLB available EXCEPT WORLIDS…
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McCourty is obvious, what determins if he is our target or not is how much he costs compared to Rahim, or Searcy…and if he is THAT much better for us then one of those two that its worth the extra money he will cost more then searcy,…. if he is so much better than searcy and Rahim that its woirth paying the extra price he will cost, we will go after him hard…if not we will use his obvious connectiopn to us as our smoke screen for Rahim or Searcy
I’m not paying top dollar for 15.5 sacks in the past two seasons. Worilds isn’t good enough to break the bank over. I’d rather roll Sheard in there and see what Marcus Smith does with 16 months of being Eagles property.
You know Kelly wants a mirror defense at OLB.
Which of those OLBs can cover?
Granted none are as good as Barwin.
But McPhee? Even you’ve said he’s a pass-rush guy.
I’ve asked this question earlier . . . who are the OLBs on the market who have decent cover ability.
Certainly not Jerry Hughes.
You know it’s fabled that Archimedes once used a mirror defense at Syracuse (the Sicilian port… not the noted media-communications / lacrosse powerhouse).
really screwed the enemy, did he?
Hannibal is your man for a mirrored defense (used offensively). Talk about attacks from both edges . . . .
Chip is Hannibal Lecter! He eats the livers of poor performing players, with fava beans of course.
ok..prolly NOT that simple, but i dont feel like getting into the scheme fits again, talked about the OLB market Add Naseum.. agree to disagree… and im not at all saying we will sign McPhee and Not Worlids… but downplaying McPhees potential value to this defense is silly… he doesnt move backwards well, but he does do some other things that the other OLBs dont do that will come in handy once a few more of our players get cut,…but why bother, McPhee cant drop so the eagles will apparently not be interested allegedly in Iggles Blitz land… Iknow my favoirtes but i have to wait to see a few things before i can have an opinion on who the eagles will go after.. not as simple as who can drop back and who cant believe it or not
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I dont Know if we will target McPhee, because I need to see what happens with two VERY important players that will have major impact on our OLB decision.. the Obvious one is Brandon Graham.. but believe it or not, whether we plan on trading or keeping our 3-4 DE Vinny Curry, will play a role in which of the OLBs we covet most.. but ILl let you guys figure that part of the puzzle out for yourselves.. and why McPhee could be so atrtractive, even if he isnt the perfect mirror
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and this mirrored OLB crap sounds great, but it was alot more important back when we only had 1 or two LB who can cover on the friggin roster… you are about to be stockpiled with LB that can drop in coverage.. moving backwards wont influence which pass rusher we hand 25-30milo in guarantees… Not when you haver Barwin and Marcus who can both drop, and Kendricks, Kiko who can both drop..and if we lose BG and Cole, then we will have to sign one of the better OLB(and when you pay big money we will care about pass rush and setting the edge way more then moving backwards…, and we will have to add a cheap OLB or draft a 4th who could end up being one that can drop… and then you could also end up with back up iLB or two who can drop depending on who makes the roster Goode? Brad?
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LB who can drop into coverage will be the least of our concerns next year
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C’mon. We all know the Eagles have an all-but-signed deal with LeCharles Bentley.
The Cleveland curse.
sorry i forgot
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im just supposed to believe that every reporter is so good at their jobs that chip kelly, agents, front offices respect these reporters so much that they have no choice to always tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth… Let me Quote real estate Billinare who Got away with 3 different murders since 1982, Mr. Creeper himself, Robert Durst…”No one ever tells the WHOLE truth” lol
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elliot shorr parker is so damn good at his job, and chip respects him so much, that chip says “I cant possibly ever gt anything past the great Elliot Parks and his network of supersources, so I might as well just hand him our free agent board of how we rank every player on the market and circle the names of the guys we will really go after…since we can never hide it from the great Parker anyway…”maybe if we give the great elliot Parker our free agent board, he wont make us give him our draft plans too”
See here is my thinking. I say Tampa I’ll give you this number one pick in year x. You say well, that’s not going to be a high pick most likely, and so I discount it for being in the 2nd half of picks and then I discount it again b/c not all picks hit. I don’t know, give me your top 3 picks in the next 3 drafts.
So then I say, I’ll give you a pick that f’ing hit at a position you really need. The downside is he will need a new contract soon but the upside is it’s not a pick, it’s a really successful pick.
Now Tampa starts talking. And Chip thinks QB >>>>>>>>> every other position. So if he wants Mariotta and thinks why screw around and see if maybe he drops to 6. No, I think he wants to go to #1. Then you know you get him and can act accordingly in FA.
That’s why I think someone good and young is leaving. With picks of course, but less picks than you might think (I hope).
“The downside is he will need a new contract soon.”
This is why I like what you’re selling here. There is no guarantee that Kendricks or Cox is going to be paid by the Eagles what they’d earn on the open market. The fact that both could be extended, but have yet to be, is reason enough to consider selling them off.
If we decide to go whole hog into free agency, that is going to make having future CHEAP players of quality to put on the team doubly vital.
I’m still not sold on needing or wanting to go all the way to #1, but I don’t mind how you’re doing it with players rather than picks.
Cox makes sense as a player for TB to covet. It should be noted though that the Eagles control his rights for 2 more years so it’s to be expected that he isn’t a huge priority to extend right now. While Kendricks is a very good player, I doubt he is a target for TB. He’s actually a great scheme fit at WLB, but they already have David there.
Because Kendricks can run and get deep, he’d fit the MLB spot in Lovie’s system as well.
LBs are smalller in Lovie’s D, but they are still typically larger than Kendricks.
So are most humans. But I get your point.
Cox and Lane should be the Only two untradeable pieces on this roster… i cant respect any coach who will trade a 23yr old that is going to be the best this city has seen since Jerome Brown over a Prospect..one you reach the very elite level especially at a critical position in the trenches and you are talking about babies with 7-8 more years of dominance you dont fock with that..
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Texans dont have a QB, bet they would hang up on you immediately as soon as yuo even mention trading Watt… Jeff Fisher needs a QB, fat chance you will see him use Robert Griffin to acquire a QB prospect
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this is getting out of friggin hand now… if its not bad enough to be talking about trading three 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd, people are talking about trading 23yr olds who are on their way to being Elite for the next 7 years over a prospect?
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Marriotta is not the last QB on Earth that will be able to be the QB of the philadelphia eagles.
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Im convinced this is all Bogus,… I cant possibly believe a brilliant football mind would act like he is playing the silly drfat pick simulator game.. i see people that play that game more realistically then some of the crap people are starting to say about chip and Marriotta,,
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I dont give a Crap if we are talking about a sure thing who will go on to become the best QB this world has seen since Joe Montana, there has to be some type of friggin walk away point.. If Lurie has a coach that will literally trade whatever it takes to get a certain player, I pray the coach is fired before midnight..
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No player is invaluable. No player is the Only guy who will ever be great enough to play for us.. there will be better players than Marriotta who come out of college at some point in the future.
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there has to be a walk away point set for any plauer or you are just a joke, tampa bays bitch… if there is no walk away point, why should tampa ever stop asking for more and more and more?
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i dont actually think Chip is as stupid as people are suggesting, The trades and prices people are talking about paying are basically not having a walk away point.
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I swear some of the compensation people are suggesting, I wouldnt pay for any player in the History of the NFL:draft… its getting crazy out of hand
We’ll know for sure about 15 minutes into draft night!
im not down with MM at all….how can people talk about trading away Insanity for a PROSPECT who you cant find a single video of taking a snap under center and throwing a simple friggin Slant?
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I think its embarrassing if the only way you can run the ball is to involve your QB…shady was making like 9mil… you cant get a 9mil dollar RB to produce without running a zone read? for 9mil paid to a RB, i should NEVER have to put my QB at risk running the ball… we have OTHER players that CAN run the ball!!! we dont have OTHER players that can PASS THE BALL at a starting level.. you cant find a way to run the ball paying backs millions and millions of dollars without needing your QB in the run game? for me to believe that would be an insult to chips brilliance….
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is it POSSIBLE that when Chip Kelly got to the world of the NFL he tweaked some of his philosophies? is it friggin possible that when he got to this new world of not having 300 players on your roster, having to fit your team under a salary cap and now have QBs that are making million and million of dollars, and you cant just recruit the next top QB that he isnt going to do EVERYTHING exactly how he did in College? is It Possible that in his brain there are things that work in college THAT ARENT SUITED for the NFL? you would think that after about 5 QB decsiiosn that dont 100% fit the Oregon mold EVERYONE EXPECTED, maybe, just maybe chip doesnt view NFL football EXACTLY like he views Pac 12 football? refusing to trade Foles who cant run to save his life for lucrative offers? Trading a pick to move up AND a 4th round pick on Barkley, who not only is he NOT a running QB, he is flat out too afraid to do it and doesnt even seem interested in trying? Signing Mark Sanchez who didnt have much passing success, yet still refused to run much before he came here? AFTER 3 QB decision involving assets and millions of Dollars THAT DIDNT AT ALL FIT THE OREGON MOLD/NARRATIVE, and No examples that do fit the oregon QB mold Narritive (jettisoned vick after what 5 games, never put him back in, never re signed him), we still arent even willing to accept any possibility that chip doesnt view trhe NFL exactly like college? we are so convinced that he has to have this kid no matter what the cost?…..yet after two years and countless decisions to analyze, is it still NOT POSSIBLE that CHIP doesnt view the NFL EXACTLY like he VIEWS College game?
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Im sure Chip Likes Marriotta, i dont dispute that… i just find it really hard to believe, let alone assume that he likes so much that he would pay some of the insane rumors and opinions about the compensation people are starting to throw around….
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there has to be a limit to what you will pay… on some Level I agree chip will like MM, im just not as sure he likes him and is as desperate to pay some of the absurd compensation people are suggesting…..
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if we have a manic who will literally pay whatever it takes for a certain player (doesnt even have to be marriotta), that coach needs to be fired before he cripple our franchise. there has to be a walk away point for every player no mo matter how good he is.. i dont actually believe chip is as he is being assumed to be
,im not down with MM at all….how can people talk about trading away Insanity for a PROSPECT who you cant find a single video of taking a snap under center and throwing a simple friggin Slant? Id be willing to draft Marriotta at 20…at the most I would be ok seeing them give up a 2nd this year, a 1st and 3rd next year, and a conditional pick in 2017( 3rd,2nd or 1st )depending on how well he plays during that 3rd season….. even paying that spread out of 3 years bothers the hell out of me and thats only giving up one 1st rounder which is probably hard to pull off
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the one good part is I hear that the NFL has learned from the RG3 trade and that we will NEVER see a GM pay THAT steep of a price trading up for a player. I heard that the RG3 debacle has lowered the compensation teams will be able to get in trades like that so if the Eagles do get MM, i dont think they actually have to pay some of the crazy prices people are saying… if we have to include a young player to preserve a pick, then we should include Curry. Kid has value, he is about to blow up next year especially if you put him in a 3-4, you get his cheap service for a year so you can get to know him before deciding to pay him longterm….i prefer keeping Vinny longterm but i struggle seeing how we will be abler to do that, so i would rather include Curry inthe trade then a player who has a shot at staying longterm..
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20th pick, 2nd rd pick, , Vinny Curry, 2016 1st round pick….Cant pay more then that… I wouldnt have paid more then that for Clowney who IMO was a better prospect
I think – to lace-up Tampa’s swashbuckling boots and walk the plank for a minute – the “expiring contract” is too much risk to take on for them. They’re not “a player away” or anything so the risk of having Cox as a one year rental or cap-eating franchise tag-ee might be worse than the risk of taking your chances of a 4 year cost controlled first rounder… or 2… or 3. Also, they will be weighing Cox vs. #1 overall pick in their calculation, and they need a QB too.
100% they’d demand the guys we’re trading them would be agreed to extending with Tampa as a pre-condition of agreeing to a trade.
And I’d assume we’d give them Foles as part of the deal.
Assuming Foles as well, but I also think Tampa wouldn’t see him as their franchise QB or even that viable of one. Yes, he’d get a shot, but if he’s inconsistent again and leads them to a middle-round 7-9 next year, they’ll be in the same brigantine they are now re: QB. Of course they’d have multiple first and second rounders to deal up…
I see Foles (ok, one year left) as worth like a 3rd or so in this deal.
It’s not just Cox. There would be picks too. Stay on Cox, he has two years left. Would you want an extra first in 2017 or Cox? My point is really that a player is a “hit” and can be viewed as a very good return. All good players get paid. I don’t think it’s too scary to take Cox and his 2 years you have to negotiate an extension.
My second point is I think Chip values Mariotta waay higher than anyone else, so anyone else is available.
I don’t think I’m disagreeing so much as thinking of the extra picks we’d have to throw in. I believe the deal boils down to this: Tampa names its price in terms of picks, and it will be high. THEN, they ask for a player in addition to Foles on top. I don’t think Chip goes in and starts dangling players in lieu of picks – if that makes sense. Tampa has all the leverage here: we don’t really know what the Titans will do and there’s always the threat of, say, the Jets trading up.
Most likely candidates in my opinion are (in order): Foles, Curry, Boykin, Kendricks, Mathis, Peters, Ertz.
Is it possible to have a three-team trade where the Eagles end up #1, Tampa gets #2, Tennessee gets–something? Then Chip would be assured of getting MM, Tampa Winston, and Tennessee could get some extra picks or players.
By the way, if this thing goes down, I think Foles and–sinking feeling on my part–Cox are gone. Good, possibly really good QB and the best player on the team. Major upgrades for the other teams.
I just got a Bleacher Report notice that Eagles “100%” trading with Jets at 6 if MM falls to that spot. So yeah, Bleacher Report according to Metro.us, who?
I don’t mind that as a trade partner if we do move up.
Id prefer over Tampa for sure if it happens at all
hell no… thats way more expensive
I just changed my Iggles Blitz favicon on Firefox to a Funyun with a Midnight Green background . . . and now this. What a week.
Can we see the Funyun icon?
http://i61.tinypic.com/21mg12c.jpg
Hmm, that looks a little…Oregonish, which is increasingly appropriate.
Yes, exactly what I was thinking
True, true . . . though it wasn’t planned that way. Perhaps the Ducks could get Phil Knight to do a Funyun thing when they play UCLA or something.
They wore Tostitos patches at the Fiesta Bowl so why not Funyuns?
Damn, this one got to 1000+ quick.
It amuses me that Chip pulling off a move that absolutely no one predicted has convinced many that Chip is almost certain to pull off the move that everyone has expected.
Wouldn’t this move make it more likely that Chip trades up for Winston? Or trades our first and second rounders for three firsts next year?
I’m ALWAYS in favor of getting more picks for less picks!
I’m NEVER in favor of adding a rapist with Jay Cutler INT tendencies to the team.
Meanwhile at the Eagles front office:
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I believe Howie’s in charge of changing that light bulb…
dont be bursting bubble and shattering dreams… let them have their fun 🙂
One aspect of sports science that always gets overlooked is the little gps transponders that Kelly has the players wear under their shoulder pads. These little devices send real time data on exactly how fast the players run and accelerate. We can all sit here arguing and speculating about whether or not Shady was starting to decline physically last year and at what age RBs statistically can be expected to fall off the cliff physically. But, Chip Kelly literally has a table of hard data points sitting on his desk that shows precisely how much speed, acceleration and explosion Shady has lost. Sports science is a lot more than magically keeping players from getting injured and getting them to heal faster. This is EXTREMELY valuable information when it comes to deciding when to cut or trade a player and certainly gives us a huge advantage when trading players that might be just about to decline substantially to other teams that don’t posses this knowledge.
Hope they’re using game situations for those measurements. If you kept one of those devices on Iverson during “practice” the computer would have spit out Jabba the Hut as AI’s profile.
I don’t think they are allowed under the CBA to wear that stuff during the games.
No, it is on during games. The woman who owns the company for the in-game stuff was on Sirius during Super Bowl week. The hosts were asking her questions about things like who was the fastest player in a game, who ran the most total miles, etc.
It was actually really interesting.
yeah they tried playing with that stuff on the broadcast – look how fast this WR ran, look how far, etc. it flopped but they def wear that stuff during the game.
They had Nate Allen clocked at 0.0 mph while staring at crossing routes in front of him. I found that interesting.
However … he bites faster on playaction than anyone ever clocked.
And, my god, you should have seen the acceleration measurements on Nnamdi’s arms when he was beaten deep, they accelerated and pointed at the nearest safety at a speed typically only seen during an olympic chinese ping pong match
Do you remember her name or the company that does this? I’d love to read that.
haha
So trade up for Mariota, don’t trade up for Mariota aside; where does the roster sit today?
Still need players at; OLB, CB, CB, S, OG
Now need a player at; RB
Going to need a player at; WR
So the combination of current cap space for free agents, draft picks we currently own, guys on the roster we’re not aware of being ready to step in and start, and possible other trades are going to round this roster out.
Good list but keep in mind there’s also the less-obvious need: simple “depth.” While we certainly need either Maclin or an established WR (for example), it’d be nice to have some Huff insurance as well as someone to fill-in when it’s finally affordable to cut Cooper. And with Peters adding another tree ring we’re thin on the O-line even after we find a Herremans replacement.
True, but I always consider “depth” as something you need at every position. I’m talking starters here.
I think we are building decent depth with guys like Hart, Watkins and Huff.
I’d get a T as well. Peters may have a couple years left, but if you groom the replacement now or they play G until he leaves, that’s better for us. I think Lane will move over, but you never know.
Let’s get this off the table too…Lane Johnson will be going no where in a trade. We just lost our starting RG, our starting LG is 34 years old this year and our starting LT is 33 and starting to show the beginning signs of decline. Oh, and we have absolutely no depth. Chip Kelly values Oline second only to QB when building his team. He can scheme WRs open and generate holes in a defense with spread concepts to give his RBs room to run, but he can’t scheme away a lineman that consistently gets manhandled into the backfield. He requires talent and lots of it on the Oline. Not to mention that we require incredibly hard to find athleticism at the position to execute our combo blocks and downfield blocking. Lane Johnson is the PERFECT Olineman for what Kelly wants and he’s young and locked up on a cost controlled rookie contract for 3 more years.
No way in hell does Chip set himself up to have to replace 4/5ths of our Oline by the end of next offseason. He’s smart enough to know that someone needs to block for Mariota, even if he truly believes the kid is the second coming of Christ.
Furthermore, LT is the second most important position on any team next to QB and literally one of the hardest centerpeices for any team to acquire. You don’t just give up a stud, franchise LT to help you move up in a draft, no matter how much you want a certain Marcus Mariota. Peters probably doesn’t have more than another year or two left and Lane is slated to slide over and be our LT for the next decade. If you have that you don’t trade it. Just like the Colts wouldn’t trade Andrew Luck to move up and draft the next coming of Orlando Pace. It’s a completely absurd idea.
If a lineman gets traded look for it to be one of our older expensive guys like Peters. He’d perhaps be another year too early than year too late type of situation, but no way its Lane Johnson. Wouldn’t even entertain the idea for a split second.
I agree Lane is staying put. Future perennial all-pro.
Don’t get paranoid. Chip is making rational, value driven decisions. Lane is fine because he performs relative to his value proposition.
No paranoia over here regarding Lane at all. Just saw a lot of posters throwing his name out as a potential trade peice to move up and just wanted to squash that absurdity. I know Chip’s way too smart for that.
i swear the assumptions people are throwing around are insulting to chip…
Lane and Cox go NO WHERE… Doubt Kendricks does either… If Marriotta is coming, which i still cant possibly believe, Foles would have to be traded because keeping both in this city is a disaster, and we would trade Curry, he has value league wide and we probably cant keep him longterm…. people are starting to lose their fockin minds with the compensation they are frivelously throwing around AS IF WE ARE TRYINg to trade up for Jesus Christ coming back to earth to try and win a superbowl.. allegedly Jesus is a big Marshawn Lynch fan…
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Cant wait til the draft ends with Foles standing tall, and chip will say “when did I ever say Foles wasnt my QB? I told you guys in January the history behind trading multiple players for one is not good”..basically, Foles, Sanchez and Barkley will all be back and chip will act like the Media and fans went crazy believing something that he always maintained wasnt going to happen… and i will have a devilish Grin knowing Foles will get the Keys to a much improved team and we can be in win NOW mode instead of waiting 2-4 years for some other young kid to grow
love your post, GEAGS, but I’m sorry to tell ya that I think the writings on the wall…Chip’s going balls to the wall and he’s getting his QB at all costs. I’ll let you name my first born child Geagle Von Smegma Foles if it doesn’t happen
fair enough…. certainly enough has been made of it that i understand why people assume that… i need to see it to believe it… i think this man is better and smarter then he is being given credit for
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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Might re-do salary tho RT @AroundTheNFL: DeMeco Ryans is due $7M coming off Achilles surgery, but @RapSheet expects him to stay with Eagles
So, either:
a. Kendricks going to be traded
b. Alonso at OLB on early downs, likely ILB in nickel
c. Ryans stays as a reserve, for veteran leadership or
d. Rap Sheet has no clue what he’s talking about
No one has any idea what Chip is doing or planning – there are 0 leaks in the Eagles front office currently feeding titbits to the press.
Everything you hear about the Eagles plans is coming from agents and guess work.
be interesting to see what the number is. IF we give up Kendricks, that’s crazy. No wonder Chip and Howie got into, no way he would like Chip cut all of his guys if he really had power.
smart man…
Meco stays atleast for this year,,,, he is doing his rehab here with our staff, chip will not tell him to piss off and go finish his rehab elsewhere,..for that alone he would never get traded now.. Chip is too classy
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But not for nothing, getting Kiko and cutting Demeco doesnt build the depth we were supposed to be building at ILB… Meco had a slow first year back from his achilles so I assume we look at it as a chance to have such a respected veteran as a backup help our transition to the young kids while Meco will need to be eased back from the injury anyway so its not like you are spitting in his face for not starting him. Meco knows he wasnt right his first year back from the injury..He wont feel disrespected about coming off the bench, lose a few snaps to the starting Pups
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I want to almost say I know for a fact Mac and Meco stay… but ILl say that in the last few hours Im really really starting to feel good about it, for whatever thats worth to anyone..
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Meco and Mac are staying….as for the money, i have no idea, because i really dont care
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BTW, when you are ROCKING your LOCKER room with Big change, probably a good idea to keep the most respected Captain to help smooth things over during this big transition we are headed for. Meco, Barwin, Jenkins we need them to set the Example at a time like this and be there for chip
Great last point. Ryans is valued highly by both Kelly and Bill Davis. Davis had his hands tied over and over again because of Ryans absence, and his leadership, 100% healthy or not – is not something that can be easily replaced.
put it to you this way…chip respects the heck out of the man.. the day after we traded for Kiko which everyone would assume spelled the end for Meco and thats all anyone talked about…. you can bet your life savings that chip kelly made a personal phone call to demeco today one way or another, and he was either assured that he would be here and not to listen to what everyone says, or we would have had the class to tell him he can no longer be here and we would have either heard about Meco being released alkready, or we would hear it by tomorrow… If Meco is still here when you wake up on Friday, he isnt going anywhere
If we ditch Kendricks for Meco…it will be a disaster. We’ll pay for that one for years.
I pray it’s c
it is.. no worries
Anyone know anything about Michael Wilhoite? ILB for 49ers, started last year while people were hurt (6’0, 240) D3FB?
Started all 16 games, cheap salary, personally I’d rather have him than Brad Jones.
same
With the 6th pick of the 2015 NFL draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select Vic Beasley. Let the boos rain in.
get Fowler and Ill Cheer like a madman! 🙂
Some crazy comparisons for Beasley. Demarcus Ware and Von Miller. That’s some elite company.
trying to get back to the days of Violent football.. Beasly will fly of the edge and sack you… Fowler is Nasty, he will make sure his entire body weight comes crashing down on your ribs… Dude doesnt just tackle, sack or Hit… he tries to Bone Crush… get your QB hurt playing against a Man like him
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lol!
did you see his last tweet “if this other thing happens Smole says we’re going out drinking b/c the s will hit the fan”
Who’s Smole?
Smolenski
Thnx.
oh boy i wonder what “this other thing” is that he’s talking about. I didn’t realize Cole and Smolenski were drinking buddies
by “his” that was posted on Howie’s twitter Rowie_Hoseman
I’ve been had…actually thought that was real for a second
could be trolling us… thats what I would do if i were them,…
Just realized it was fake Howie lol
Rowie Hoseman lol Just read it properly
Didn’t Chung reply back one time as well? ? Lol
lol i dunno i remember Sanchez doing it
[…] I already covered the Shady trade with a quick post. Rather than obsessing on whether that was a good move, I’m more fascinated by what it means. […]
everyone assumes the Jets trade…. but if the jets are going to hire Todd Bowles, a promising coach, if MM is THAT good, dont you wanna give Bowles a chance to do this right? If MM is THAT good how Can a team with Geno smith and A GM and QB that didnt draft Geno pass on this great QB prospect?
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If The Jets pass on him, I assume that means that MM has a problem and teams wont be lining up to take a QB that hasnt even called plays since hiigh school, hasnt thrown a simple slant from under center since he arrived at oregon…if a team with no ties to geno friggin Smith and a promising new coach pass on a chance at a franchise QB, whos to say teams just dont feel like either projecting him to an NFL style since he hasnt played the game anything like the NFL way, or teams dont feel like ripping up pro offenses and putting a college offense around him…if the Jets with Geno friggin Smith would pass on him, who is to say he wont fall right down to #20?
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if teams are so willing to sit by and let the eagles figure out a way to get this kid because no one wants to spend a top 20 pick on a QB from an offense that is like a different game then the NFL, then why are we talking about trading the house for him… sit tight and watch him fall to #20… if people are going to act like everyonbe will sit back and cheer us on trying to work out a way to get Marriotta, then obviously they dont value him that much, why not call the top 19 teams bluffs and sit at 20, and tell teams you aint giving them anything, if they want to take him they can have fun teaching him to huddle, call plays, play under center, throw slants in NFL windowns.. if not they are welcome to instill a college spread offense for him… not willing to make that sacrafice and change your entire offense? then sit back and let MM fall to #20…
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if anything we offer Foles and 20 for Marriotta, and not a penny more… and the only reason I say that is because it does foles and MM no good for them both to be in this ridiculous season… they cant both be here at the same time… If a pro style QB like Foles a 3rd and next years 2nd isnt enough to let us have MM, then call these pro style teams franchises bluff and let them pick him and change their entire offense for him
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people make us out to be these desperate bitches, talking the most absurd of trade compensations, and for what? no one wants this kid? we talking the NFL.. they dont want to take a kid that they cant tell at all how he translates cuz he has been practicfally playing a different game at oregon… call their bluff, lets see the teams in the top 19 draft him… if not they can shut up get pro style foles, and a 3rd and maybe a 2nd next year..
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all these 1st round picks for a QB these franchises are too afraid to touch in the top 19 anyway… what a joke