Another QB to Consider
Posted: April 14th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 385 Comments »The Eagles would love to get Marcus Mariota, but know that’s far from a sure thing so they are checking out a lot of different QB prospects. Here is a rumor someone shared in the comments section the other day.
#HotRumor alert… QB that Philly/Chip might be interested in is…. …Garrett Grayson???
— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) April 14, 2015
That Grayson/Eagles tidbit was from someone reliable, but hardly "BookIt" status…
— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) April 14, 2015
Interesting.
Grayson played at Colorado State and had an outstanding Senior season. He went to the Senior Bowl and was the best QB down there, although he wasn’t facing murderer’s row.
Grayson has NFL talent, but I’ve gone back and forth on whether I like him or not. I watch one game and don’t like him. Then I watch another and I feel differently.
He throws a good deep ball. He makes some good throws over the middle in traffic. He shows good accuracy and seems to be a smart decision-maker. He’s not reckless, but will take some chances. Grayson had a good workout at his Pro Day, but I didn’t see that athleticism on the field with any consistency.
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Watch this segment with Jon Gruden and Grayson comes across like a bright QB.
Watch his showing in the bowl game and you see a bit of everything. Utah’s defense played well that day so definitely factor that into the equation.
When first watching Grayson, I certainly didn’t think of him as a Chip Kelly QB. Then again, I didn’t think Chip would draft Matt Barkley or trade for Sam Bradford.
I think Grayson is probably a 3rd round prospect.
My Top 5 QBs
1 – Marcus Mariota
2 – Jameis Winston
3 – Bryce Petty
4 – Garrett Grayson
5 – Brett Hundley
I think there is a big drop from the top pair to Petty and then another big drop from him to the final pair. I know many of you like Hundley, but the fact he took so many sacks at UCLA concerns me. They’re not all his fault, but they can cause him to develop habits that will never go away.
The Eagles spent a lot of time with both Petty and Hundley. Kelly would love to find a young QB to develop. We don’t know for a fact who they like and how much they like ’em, but the rumors are keeping us entertained and doing a lot of guessing.
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I think a good show of his athleticism is during the San Diego st. game (at least I think it Was that game). Grayson threw to the rb in the backfield and then the rb threw it back acros the field to Grayson. It was a screen to Grayson and he was able to run into the end zone for a 30 yard td. It was an impressive play.
BTW, still haven’t had a chance to really look at what we were talking about. It’s one of my goals for tomorrow.
tomorrow is the future’s yesterday
Very true
Deep.
Yesterday is tomorrow’s monkey.
I understand why you have the ratings this way, but I am shocked you have Hundley at 5. I don’t necessarily agree or disagree. Just sort of shocked. I don’t know enough about the QBs outside of the big 2 to agree or disagree. Just shocked because it seemed like a month ago there was alot of talk, I’ll advised talk I think, but still talk of Birds going for Hundley as soon as our first or second pick.
Tommy’s never been a big Hundley fan. I was the one who wrote the article about the virtues of taking Hundley at 20. I still feel that way.
I have no problem with Tommy not seeing eye to eye on me about Hundley. His opinion which I deeply respect, is based on film study, as is mine.That’s fine.
I didn’t like Hundley the first time through the tape either, but when I went back through and watched them from earliest to latest you could see obvious tangible progress in the way he played. The narratives about him being a one read and run are lazy and unfounded.
Essentially where Tommy’s and my own take on Hundley diverge is in his ability to progress. I see a guy who checks every box of what you want in a QB for this offense. Good build, cannon arm, mobility, experience with package plays, high character leader. Didn’t have a big signature win but helped return the team to it’s first top 10 postseason ranking in 16 years, despite not having literally any talent around him on offense (Grayson had far more talent during his time). He does take too many sacks but I personally feel that many of them were beyond his control, and as we saw with Derek Carr last year (who had the worst pocket presence I’ve ever seen) this is an area that you can make improvements with coaching.
Tommy sees a guy who posses all the tools but never really found a comfort in the pocket, who has some bad habits from having to turn water into wine, that Tommy doesn’t think he will be able to shake. He sees a guy who never willed his team to win singlehandedly.
Like I said, educated well informed disagreement is what makes draft prospects fun.
He sure does seem like a very competitive, likeable guy. This interview alone changed my opinion of him for the better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCCjdrUPRVQ
Theres something of an x-factor surrounding Hundley, isn’t there? Something i haven’t quite been able to identify or qualify, but theres something there that makes me think he can become an incredible pick, from the absolute worst to the absolute best understanding of that phrase.
I’m a huge fan of Brett Hundley, and I have no idea why, because he seems like the prime example of the QB prospects I usually loathe with a burning passion, because he supposedly lacks the mental aspects of playing QB.
Still, he managed to sneak his way into being one of my favorite prospects, who I most definitely will follow where he goes, just to see what he can do.
That’s exactly how I felt when I watched him with Gruden in the video below. I love his passion and desire to succeed. I love his personality and I can see guys following him. If he passes the “brain” part in interviews, I wouldn’t hate picking him up at all.
Exactly, I really like his mental makeup as a person, because I absolutely agree with you. Its a guy I can trust to be the leader of my franchise, and its that precise mental makeup off the field that leaves Winston with a dumping grade, I cannot trust that guy and there is absolutely no way i’m handing him the keys to my franchise, because at some point he is gonna do something stupid and that might end up hurting the team.
We know Chip and the org have valued impressive interviews really, really high when it comes to the draft picks, if Hundley passed the mental aspects of playing QB, I could see Chip loving him. If not, Chip will most likely HATE him.
If I remember correctly, one of the reasons why Tommy do not like Hundley is that many QBs like him, who had those issues in college never got better and you are there left wondering what could be (Jay Cutler is prime example of having all the tools, but never correcting em).
But with Cutler, it’s a mental thing, isn’t it? He’s pretty smart, but he doesn’t have the passion. At least he hasn’t shown it in the NFL. And he’s not a leader type character.
Well, of course we don’t know if Hundley has the passion, but it seems to me, at least, that this is the least of his problems.
I don’t buy the “not a leader” “doesn’t have passion” type of stuff. To me, it goes along with “swagger” and “teams with 100 yard rushers win” ideas that should be retired. If the guy can hit open receivers and avoid turnovers and score lots of touchdowns, he’s doing good. If not… I really doubt the OL or WR or RB really cares if the dude is “fiery” or not, they want touches and wins.
I wrote “passion”. That included wanting to improve every year, having a good work ethic. And a QB has to be a leader. You don’t have to scream all the time. But you have to be a leader. That’s not oldschool, that’s the reality, imo.
I’m not on the ‘Mariota is no leader because he’s so calm’ train. I just say, imo, Cutler doesn’t have the passion to be great and he isn’t a good leader for your football team.
A lot of good prospects go to bad teams and are never placed in a position to succeed. The Eagles are a stable organization (well, usually) and have a good system for a running QB. I found D3FB’s evaluation of Hundley striking and it made me look forward to the possibility of picking him up!
100% true.
I personally would love Hundley to sit behind Bradford for a year or 2.
I understand. I wasn’t saying Tommy had him so high and was changing it, I was just saying how it’s interesting that alot of people have him rated real high and then others have him rated as the 5th. I am not nearly as skilled when it comes to scouting or film work like the 2 of you are. My personal belief is that 20 is to early. If he were to make it to our second pick then take him. I have big doubts that he will even come pretty close to our 2nd pick. I was just marveling as to what your last sentence said. It is interesting and fun to have an educated non emotional talk about prospects. I knew Tommy did not want him in the first, I was just surprised about the prospects he had in front of him.
I’m curious, what interest did they show in Petty? Completed missed that. I’m a huge supporter of drafting him and think he’s perfect for Chip Kelly’s offense, just needs a redshirt year. Can you do a write up on this? Really like to hear more
Glad to see in that youtube clip, he actually has a decent grasp of progressions because if you watch some of his film, he focuses on his first read more than I would like. Of course, why would you if your main receiver is Higgins, he is a very impressive WR.
Legitimately infuriating how much more talent Grayson had at CSU than Hundley had at UCLA.
Lol, how is it even possible that a school like UCLA has less weapons on offense than a school like CSU? On a partially related note, thoughts on Anthony Jefferson?
I mean it’s really lopsided too.
UCLA: Sua-Filo, Shaq Evans
CSU: Richburg, Sambraillo, Gilmore, Higgins, Hart
That’s a massacre.
Jefferson falls into the same camp as Ladarius Gunter for me. I like the tape, but the athleticism is just so bad. I don’t mind either as a UDFA safety project, but I just can’t justify investing a pick on someone who falls so far below the threshold for athleticism.
Nevermind about Jefferson, for some reason I thought he tested much, much better. I completely agree with the assessment.
Its also crazy how much better of an offensive coach Grayson had than Hundley.
I still stand by it, Jim Mora has zero clue on how to coach athletic QBs, as Hundley’s comment clearly shows Mora just expected him to be Vick in terms of runing treat after the first read was covered.
Petty can be a good QB in the pros. He has a quick release and takes care of the football, along with the strong arm and solid mobility. He might be the most natural thrower. Very underrated IMO.
I think I’ve come to the conclusion that I would be happy with Hundley, Petty, or Grayson. I believe they all fit in our system and it comes down to the interviews and what the coaches think about their work ethic, learning ability, etc. The only thing that I hope doesn’t happen is we give up a ton of picks to snag one.
I wouldnt mind all 3, but I have Hundley far above the other 2 (Im okay with Hundley at 20, but I first want Petty in the 2nd/3rd and Grayson in 5th)
“wouldnt mind all 3”???… doubt this draft will provide 3 Quality NFL QBs outside of MM/winston….. this would have to be a special class to produce 5 quality NFL QBs…
Grayson is better than the fifth round and will get taken way before it.
Its only where Im comfortable with taking them, not where they will go or some people think they should go.
Im opposite, anyone but Hundley for me. I agree though that whoever they like, we just have to trust that pick if they go that way.
At 1:44 on his tape above. That’s why I like him. blitz coming right down his grill. Throws a BEAUTY of a throw. Leads the receiver. Deep down the seam.
QB That I “consider” is Bradford………….. the thought of spending a pick in the first 4 rounds on a QB sickens me
Grayson comes in and develops for 2 years and then starts?
is this feasible?
beats me… i dont watch film anymore….
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But Id hope that Sam Bradford is still our healthy QB two years from now, thats my ideal situation…
Yeah, id hope Bradford is our health QB for the next 5-7 years at least.
But I hope Grayson is ready in two at least to start.
I can imagine we would need a strong backup to take over at some point in the next 5 years, even if its one game.
is Grayson really that good? every year we over rate some QB’s who we think can be had later in the draft… is taking a flier on him better then the flier we can take on a QB in every drafts later rounds?…… would have rather seen Chip work with Logan Thomas
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hopefully we don draft a QB until we take care of solidifying some postiions of need
I think we can address positions of need in the first 3-4 rounds and get Grayson. I happen to think he is that good. But I think he will be available.
I think he has better skills than Logan Thomas.
For me, this is my first year getting behind a QB in the draft.
I think getting a another guy with potential in the fold couldn’t hurt, especially if you address other positions first.
Im all about getting a OL, CB/S, LB, WR, before a QB in this draft.
hopefully we address all our needs and still end up with a late round QB that will prove to be a steal…. everyone wins…
Goin to any games this year?
This will be my first year going.
hell yeah!!! i renewed my season Tix(i will never give them up, unless chip trades away cox).. Hoping I can actually attend at least half of them…. you will def enjoy your first game day experience. good times…. with a little injury good luck, it could be a fun season… dallas games, bills gamesl, cardinals…should be a lot of fun
oh im excited! I wanted to go last year, but I ended up just being able to visit training camp one time.
The draft this year will be interesting! I am hoping for a Nasty Guard in the first round.
need a dominant OL for both Demarco and Sam….. hoping for both the Oregon kids, Fisher G/T and Grasu G/C
I don’t blame you for giving away your season tickets if Chips trades away Cox.
Games are just not as much fun without Cox.
Sorry – I couldn’t resist. I’ll put myself in timeout for that one.
Man, I’m jealous. I’d have thought you had to put up a fight with Nurse Ratched before every game just to get it on the TV.
That would be a great place to start. In fact, that is where Tommy started:
http://igglesblitz.com/2015/03/learned-worrying-bradford/
http://igglesblitz.com/2015/03/back-to-bradford/
http://igglesblitz.com/2015/04/more-bradford-talk/
Good thing he didn’t change it back, otherwise, your comment would have been misplaced again.
Just a glitch in the ole GEAGLE-BOT.
for me it takes a lot of the pressure off the Sam Bradford experiment if it fails. Would love to have a developing QB come in and play instead of Sanchez. Of course, like most fans we want SB to work out but I want them to hedge that bet so I wouldnt mind a QB at all. I would however prefer it to be 3rd or 4th round if they do it but then its all a matter of how the draft falls. It could be rough to waste a high pick like a 2nd on a QB so its a difficult position.
why is Bradford an experiment?
His entire career in the NFL at this point is an experiment simply because hes not lived up to his hype. Therefor its a constant test to see if he can be any good. Whether thats fair or not considering the injuries is another question, certainly fair judging his play when he wasnt hurt. That hasnt exactly been stellar, just glimpses and speculation.
Experiment implies “let’s see if it works and if not, we go to experiment 2”. CK is fully invested in Bradford. This is Bradfords team. CK (going by what’s reported) studied Bradford for quite some time before making the trade. CK wanted him and went after him.
Bradford is the QB for the next 1000 years or the next draft or the next time CK wants a different QB.
I think experiment is a good term, since we didn’t commit to him long-term, at least not yet. As of now, he is a one year experiment with an exit strategy. If he gets an extension, the experiment is over.
You thinking CK gave up a viable starting QB and 2 round(was it a second? I have a bad memory) draft pick on a 1 year experiment? That’s not an experiment, that’s a high stakes gamble. It’s plausible I guess. Some were saying Bradford wasn’t signed for a long term because he might be part of a trade. Just my guess, based on nothing, is CK is all in with Bradford or MM. MM won’t happen. I don’t think CK manages his roster by hedging his bets with experiments.
True, but last year he was all in with Foles, the QB for the next 1000 years.
I don’t think Chip believes he traded away a viable QB and a second rounder, just a failed experiment and a second rounder. Chip knows that when he fully commits to a QB, his job is likely tied to the QB’s success.
I agree that MM is his top choice, and that it is unlikely. Maybe that is all it will take to decide Bradford is his best bet, but I expect Chip will put off the extension for a few months.
True. The difference with Foles n Bradford… Chip went after Bradford. Foles was already here. Agreed that Bradford has to conform to what chip wants. Sooner or later chip has to invest invest long term. You can’t win changing qbs every year(like college). He can’t go into every draft saying he likes his own qb but might draft one for two years from now. Baring injury toBradford or high draft pick.. Its the Bradford show. Sure Bradford might stink.. But by passing on a qb this year and drafting one next year.. He’s still minimum 2 years away.. CK is not experimenting the next 3 years til his qb is ready… If so.. Us fans are in for a long haul…. Lol
Florida State QB Jameis Winston scored a 27 on the Wonderlic Test.
Oregon QB Marcus Mariota scored a 33. Although Winston threw 18 picks last season for the Seminoles, he is a highly cerebral individual, scoring just one point shy of Peyton Manning’s 28 Wonderlic mark. Mariota was even more impressive and is another highly intelligent player. The Wonderlic is evaluated by NFL teams, but obviously isn’t a strong indicator of success. (Blaine Gabbert scored a 42.) Just over two weeks before the draft, Winston remains the favorite to be selected No. 1 overall by the Buccaneers.-roto
Why don’t you like that? I find it pretty interesting. They are, of course, not the answer to everything (Peyton, probably the smartest QB ever, at 28 vs. Gabbert at 42 is a prime example), but they are still interesting imo.
I don’t think GEAGLE was sharing any personal view one way or the other, just sharing the nugget from Roto.
I wonder if there is a sweet spot that teams want to see. Obviously Vince Young and his negative 12 was too low, but I wonder if there is also too high that makes teams nervous. Too smart for his own good, overthinking it, these are phrases for a reason.
ITS FINE when kids score well on it, but i wouldnt like a poor score be made public. No kid should have everyone thinking he is stupid and having his poor score reported in the media
McNabb had a 14 score and did just fine. Terry Bradshow was 15. Jim Kelly was 15. Marino was 15.
And for other positions, teams don’t really care that much. I think even Kelly wouldn’t mind a 8 or 10 wonderlic RB, as long as he’s a good guy and works hard.
no where do i talk a bout negative scores correlating to poor QB play
I have zero idea what been good at math and logical problems has with playing QB.
Your comment made me go and Google if there’s any coorelation with Wonderlic scores and performance. Didn’t come away with anything concrete, but interesting stuff nonetheless (posted the link in a different comment).
I think this is sort of like the LSAT or GRE and generally those are decent predictors of success in school. Now there are things such as test biases or bad methodology, but for the purposes of this comment there may be some connection between these scores and success. It may be stronger for certain positions, but there really isn’t much research on this topic. Also, I know Marino is an outlier, but there will be statistical anomalies with tests such as these.
3rd and 7, you only gain 5 yards = 4th and 2 DUH!!! jk…
They don’t. In the same way that SAT tests don’t tell you how well you’ll do in college. But there’s value in a person putting in the time to do well on the test, and it’s always better to have a higher score than a lower one.
There is some people who can put in a ton of work and still never be good at math and logical problems.
You’re arguing with someone who isn’t, sir. But test scores are generally correlated with ability, which is why they still use it.
Perhaps the idea is to get at g, or general intelligence or ability at cognitive tasks. Football does require some cognitive ability!
True, but Fitzpatrick scored a 48 and he has zero ability to read a defense.
Wonderlic might show who can easier learn a play book and draw on the whiteboard, but it tells you nothing about his ability to play.
I never thought Winston wasn’t smart, he just doesn’t have common sense.
i think he has plenty of common sense, just doesnt apply to a sociopath… when he talks, i cant help but think he is playing us…dont trust that kid at all
Sociopath – truer words never spoken.
Anti-Social Personality Disorder (APD)THE SOCIOPATH – This person is the con-artist who often exhibits more criminal and violent traits.
• A pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others.
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/06/22/narcissist-or-sociopath-whats-difference
You don’t have to be an axe murderer to be a sociopath.
We agree.
I would say its more of that weird narcissistic personality disorder that Cam Newton has. Similar in the disregard of others but more over confidence and fake than harmful to others. Since were on the amateur diagnosis train, figured Id jump on
i like the way shane Ray is wired tho… kid comes from nothing, all he ever wanted was his deadbeat dad to acknowledge him, that never happened, it fueled the kid to become a beast,.. decided to go to the same school Missouri his deadbeat dad holds all the sacks record, put his dads newspaper clippings and accomplishments on his wall, and went to the same school has his dad with the sole intention of erasing his dad from all the schools record books, and he played like a beast and broke all his scumbag dads records……. I focks with the way he is wired to perserver .,. love to add him….. real cool story on the first episode to the new draft show on espn trhat features ray, winston, gurley, melvin gordon, and devin smiths path to the draft
i dont trust Gurley… i cant help shake the thought of an injury riddled career when i think of him..
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really hope Melvin Gordon doesnt end up in Dallas. reminds me of jamaal Charles
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i would love devin smiths deep ball threat
Was just about to say the same. The only way to describe a sociopath is to meet one–There’s just look about them where you can see the wheels turning behind their eyes on how to manipulate you. Narcissists are quite a bit more common.
wait, are you intentionally leaving it ambiguous as to whom you’re referring?
Could see almost all of these kids appealing to chip… with the exception of maybe the UCLA kid…. wet dream draft lol… if this is chips first GM draft he shouldnt even talk at the post draft press conference. just stand there in silence, as soon as a reporter asks a question, just drop the Mic and walk away lol
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Round 1 Pick 31 (N.O.): Jake Fisher, OT/OG, Oregon (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12 (N.O.): Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut (B)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 25 (CAR): Eric Rowe, CB/FS, Utah (B-)
Round 3 Pick 32 (N.E.): Jesse James, TE, Penn State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 2 (N.E.): Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.) (A+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon (A-)
Round 5 Pick 9: Adrian Amos, FS, Penn State (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Shaquille Riddick, DE/OLB, West Virginia (C)
Round 6 Pick 20: Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA (C)
Round 7 Pick 20: Derrick Malone Jr., OLB, Oregon (B-)
Round 1 Pick 20: Alvin Dupree, DE/OLB, Kentucky (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A-)
Round 5 Pick 9: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Mark Glowinski, OG, West Virginia (D+)
dont see Perriman or Petty dropping that far
Right. No one expects them to be available that late. That is why he was graded with an A for finding him there.
Every year, there are a couple of guys that fall farther than anyone expects.
of course there are outliers but sometimes you can tell who they might be based on character issues or enough question marks. Dont see that with Perriman (I dont think) and always assume QBs go higher than projected and expect it in this draft with so few viable options.
I understand what you are saying, and many have said the same thing about nearly every mock post here.
The thing that bothers me is that is exactly why people play the mock games. Every team makes a selection that, supposedly, makes sense for the team. The whole point of playing is to see who falls that particular time and see what pool of talent one can accumulate.
I am sure there are twenty iterations that do not get posted for every one that does. If nothing noteworthy happened, it wouldn’t get shared here.
doubt Perriman even lasts til #20 in round 1… Ill be surprised if he makes it past #14… if that kid falls to #20, i think he is a MUST draft.. 6’2 215 runs a 4.24? perfect weapon on the outside, leaving the pope to be our slot machine, huff can steal snaps from Coop
Lol. I don’t see the majority of these guys dropping that far…what’s your point? Doesn’t make it less fun.
Exactly. None of us have a clue what is Chips type player at any position. He is the mad genius. We are merely pretenders.
I thought they were all about Cody Fajardo? Grayson seems like just as much of a low ceiling / high floor type.
For those of you in statistics or psychology:
Found an interesting article on the Wonderlic Test (since it’s in the comments below) and here’s a study you guys can do about Wonderlic scores and athlete performance.
http://blog.criteriacorp.com/2008/04/24/17/
Don’t have the education to really follow that article, kind of made my head spin. I’m a bit suspicious. If only #5 had performed better on his Wonderlic…
If I did research in these fields, I’d jump at this. There was a professor at UPenn that did a study on bias in NBA referees. That came out the same time as Donoghy was found out for fixing games. If they can do that, I don’t see why this couldn’t be done too.
It should be relatively straightforward to determine some sort of relationship, but the way the article explained it made it suspicious. Unfortunately, my highest knowledge of stats came from a couple semesters 20 years ago and How to Lie with Statistics.
LOL – I had a intro to stats and an intro to research methods in my undergrad.
If someone could compile the scores of every player over the last 20 years and see if there’s a correlation with player success and coaching success. It just seems that the sample size that everyone uses is too small.
Pretty sure Dan Marino scored in single digits…he turned out alright
mid-double actually.
made no difference . . .
See receiver. See defense. See receiver open. Throw ball.
All in a flash.
… and he was in the zone for over a decade, as he said in an interview. Can you imagine feeling that way about a skill, any skill?
That’s why that article made me suspicious–weird, seemingly random constraints of the samples.
I don’t think it’s straightforward at all. So much success in the NFL is dependent upon the cast around you. No one can do it alone.
Herm Edwards on Mike & Mike this morning:
” I had guys that scored a 10 on the Wunderlic, then I told him to go cover a guy…” hahahah. CB’s apparently not to high on that scale lol.
Jealous of the Browns… why do they get cool new uniforms with 9 different uniform combo’s?… tired of buying these same eagle jerseys for almost 2 decades… canb we get a new Jersey please? i want a new eagle jersey kiko alonso jersey damn it
Jealous of the Browns? That might be the first time someone ever said that since the 1950s.
they got dope new jerseys… they even say Dogpound on them. no fair, I cant get stuck buying another of the same jerseys I have been buying since 2000..9 alternate uniform combos,
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i want new jerseys… current jerseys are a reminder of an era of LOSERS! close but not cigar. i want to finally smoke the cigar damn it…these damn jerseys are jinxed… change Uni’s, change our mojo, remove the loser shackles of these current jerseys.. Get new age Chip era jerseys…. the chip era should have its own jerseys… andy was here 14 years, retire those jerseys as the andy era/howie era uni’s
bring back the kelly green from 2010. With Nike now in charge of the unis I dont know how this could NOT be awesome.
“…kelly green from 2010…”
I feel old for wanting to correct this sentiment.
now i feel old too. thanks.
Phil . . .
You had me up ’til Nike.
If anyone can ruin something as simple as Kelly green uniforms, it’s NIKE.
But to each his own.
id do the new age jerseys with Midnight AND Kelly Green…Old school combined with new school midnight green = Chip Era Jerseys.. Maybe do a kelly green uniform similar to Seattle, but instead of that Neon colored stripe the seahawks jerseys have, do a kelly green stripe, with most of the uniform Midnight green/silver… and the alternates can be kelly green/silver/black with Midnight green as the small stripe/./
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Midnight Green + Kelly Green… everyone wins..
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i LOVED the old school white Jerseys with Kelly green and alot of silver stripes…
http://media.cleveland.com/browns_impact/photo/nadeau-brownsjpg-9707796ec50a0ad5.jpg
Those are truly hideous.
Far right . . .
A whole team of Hershey’s Halloween chocolate bars with “Snow-Caps” on their feet.
No thanks.
Joe Thomas on the all orange uni’s: “I don’t look very good as a traffic cone”
those arent the jerseys…. those are probably nicer then the jerseys… They had the right idea but they screwed them up by writing Cleveland on the front…… I like the “dog pound” in small writing….. but the Big “Cleveland” on the front kind of ruined them,,,, They should have made the front look like the back…
Browns do whatever they can to make $$
we need:
1) Kelly Green throwbacks
2) Keep the all black uniforms in play
3) I am a fan of the wings on the Oregon uniforms.
Kelly Green? No – -never again thank you.
You’re out of your mind if that’s your opinion on the Kelly Greens. Those are the nicest Eagles jersey ever.
The blind people love them .. and that’s about it…
I see what you did there….terrible attempt at a joke though.
it wasn’t a joke because blind people don’t them either.
I thought the throwbacks they did a couple of years ago were hideous. Because of the materials used now the colors are bright and shiny and I did not like the way the Kelly Green’s looked in that fabric. I did however like the color in the old, less shiny uniforms they used to have.
https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/81625756.jpg
I hear ya IC. I actually own that Randall jersey and also purchased a Vick version of the way they remade recently. You are spot on about the shiny look on the newer ones but honestly to me they don’t look bad. I do prefer to original throwback Kelly green but I am not too opposed to the more recent version as well. I guess I just like those jerseys so much I just want them back in general.
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I love when people try to say that the Midnight green are “cursed”, or “loser’s uniforms”…Because the Eagles did so well in Kelly green. For me, the Kelly greens conjure images of getting hammered by the Cowboys, or never winning playoff games, or having dysfunctional head coaches/ownership. I’ll take the Midnight green era, and you all can have the 1980s.
“cool new uniforms . . . ”
Say it ain’t so.
“cool” is probably a stretch…The Browns had the right idea but they butchered it writing Cleveland on the front of it…other then that, they have the right idea..
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but they had the right idea..im starved for new Uni’s…
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I also kind of think, we should respect the Andy era, and retire those uni’s and have them symbolize the 14yr era….
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time for something new. i dont even care what it is…
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I feel like you either stay with the classic jersey if you have had it for like 30 years… but this jersey represents such a small time frame of this franchie, so we should just change them when ever we have a real change in era….New good luck, fresh slate,…. and when we finally win a superbowl, stick with whatever jersey we wearing at that time for like the next 30 years…. while we are still chasing lombardi’s, change jerseys at the beginning of every new era…
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we deserve a clean start, and Andy kind of earned the right to retire those jerseys as the andy,westbrook,mcnabb,dawk era…
I’ve been saying all along that Mariota and Grayson are the successful starting QBs in this draft. Grayson may slip into the first just like a guy named Flacco did, who was graded 2nd or 3rd round until Harbaugh and Newsome traded up and decided otherwise (figuring someone else wan’t grading him 2/3). I can see that happening to Grayson.
Don’t like Petty in the NFL at all. Hundley might be a backup but I don’t like him as a starter. So many people have been saying Winston will be good that I’m feeling pressure, but I’ll stick to my guns that he’ll bust.
I said on the previous thread that I liked Bennett, which contradicted something I said earlier when I knocked him (less than 50% competions as a senior, for instance) after someone suggested him ahead of Fajardo. That was bad, rushed posting, because I had him confused with Brandon Bridge. Bridge is a developmental guy that would be a PS alternative to Fajardo, who’d be my first choice. I like the idea of hanging on to Barkley, too, until he becomes a FA or someone offers a draft pick but Chip has an informed view of Barkley whatever that may be.
So I really think that Chip was being honest when he said Bennett should be a safety, and I may actually agree with him, or at least I’ll mouth the ‘it’s so crazy it might work’ that rooting for Chip entails.
hernandez guilty of 1st degree murder!!!
Thank you jury for not “OJ-ing” the decision!
Also . . .
Thank the investigators for not screwing up the chain of custody for the evidence and not using racial slurs. And the judge for maintaining tight control over the process. And the prosecutors for not over-trying the case.
Good work all around.
Hernandez had plenty of money for a defense. And the jury gave him justice.
And his hands. Don’t forget to thank his hands.
That trial was one of the biggest goat ropes in the history of our criminal justice system. It felt like the judge was trying to outperform the defense counsel. The Prosecution seemed inexperienced and ill prepared to deal with the media. I honestly felt bad for Marcia clarke. Between the police, the media, the judge, and the defense, she never had a chance. The big winner in the case: Kato Kaelin. He got a cameo in BASEketball.
A lot of the fault for the OJ decision lies in the seeds the LAPD had been sowing for over a decade. That jury pool was all too willing to accept a story involving crooked cops and planted evidence – most had witnessed similar incidents first hand.
anyone ever read that one detectives case (think he may written a book) contending it was OJs son from another marriage. He was a chef (knives) and had a history etc. Ooh conspiracy theories. I never bothered to go down that rabbit hole for any of the OJ case but on the surface it sounded interesting.
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Well, that’s certainly a well argued position, but for your edification, you should research the Rampart anti-gang force of the LAPD and what it did for the decade around OJ. Calling Rampart a gang itself is the most accurate description of what was going on. Pretty clearly, a lot of residents of LA watched police officers plant or otherwise “mishandle” evidence during that time period.
T-I-R-E-D of all these mock drafts.
but they’re sooooo realistic
Is it socially acceptable to mock the mocks?
I want someone to figure out how to get: Clemmings/Fisher and Jones and Rowe. Is it possible to pick 3 times in the late first/early 2nd?
I think so. You would have to drop around 10 spots to maybe pick up a second, if not, at least an early 3rd. Then with your late 20 in the first select your first player. Then you still have a 2nd, 3rd and either a late 2nd or early 3rd. Using a combination of your 3rd and newly acquired 2nd or 3rd, you should be able to trade back into the 2nd round and select another player while have your original 2nd to select the 3rd player of your choosing.
Yeah… still I think I could live with getting any combination of 2 of the above mentioned players.
Round 1 Pick 29 (IND): Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut (C+)
Round 2 Pick 20: T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (A)
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Eric Rowe, CB/FS, Utah (D+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (B)
Round 4 Pick 29 (IND): Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (A-)
Round 5 Pick 9: Austin Shepherd, OT, Alabama (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Alani Fua, OLB, Brigham Young (C+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Junior Sylvestre, OLB/ILB, Toledo (C-)
There ya go. Just leave your check in the mail. *hue hue
Keep the dream alive!
Yeah, I tried to do this yesterday. Was the only one I’ve posted and I think I had like 10 picks before the 4th round.
Your score is: 6652 (GRADE: A-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 24 (ARI): Cameron Erving, OT/C, Florida State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Danielle Hunter, DE/OLB, LSU (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20: Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon (A-)
Round 5 Pick 9: Cameron Artis-Payne, RB, Auburn (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Darren Waller, WR/TE, Georgia Tech (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Blake Bell, TE, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Kyshoen Jarrett, SS, Virginia Tech (B-)
1- TJ Clemmings
2- Nelson Algohor
2- Quinton Rollins
5- PJ Williams
Going to go jump off a 3rd story building. Should wake from my coma right before the draft.
See you then!
I think passing on Hundley at #20 this year is going to end up looking as silly as passing on Bridgewater does now.
man people are all over the place with Hundley petty Grayson etc…
It’s a lot more fun to make assumptions on those guys than to argue about someone like Andrew Luck.
can’t wait for it to be over
Here’s the thing about Hundley – his completion percentage on throws 11 – 20 yds was 51.7%…on throws of 20+ yds it was 39%…and that measurement is counting drops as completions and eliminating throw aways and hail marys:
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/52722/349/2015s-quarterback-conundrum
Above everything else (takes too many sacks, inconsistent play, etc.) his completion percentage on throws over ten yards is a red flag.
THANK YOU. I’ve been looking for a breakdown forever. Just because he completes 70% of his throws doesn’t mean he is an accurate QB!!
Hundley does NOT equal quick decision-making or ball accuracy. Therefore, Hundley does NOT equal a Chip QB.
That’s kind of where I am with him. I don’t see repetitive accuracy there and I don’t think that’s something you can just hope to teach.
Neither does Bradford/Sanchez or Barkley..so no?
The only passes according to this http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2015/02/2015-nfl-draft-quarterback-passing-chart-project/
Where Hundley isnt at least average is the 16-25 yards area, which is not the end of the world (most NFL passes travel between 6-15 yards in the air, which is the area where Hundley is most accurate of all the QBs)
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2015/02/2015-nfl-draft-quarterback-passing-chart-project/
6-15 yards, he was the best, so it seems it must be his throws over 15 yards, not 10 yards that is the problems right now.
Is it me or is birdgerwater getting over hyped? I haven’t see him play so what do I know.
I think he looked better than the people picked above him.
I don’t get your attraction. Last year Bridgewater was lighting it up before the draft, and he got a lot of love, and then dropped in the rankings after a poor pro day. Bridgewater showed some good looks in Louisville. Hundley, so far as I know, never galvanized a core of credible believers despite the fact that he was kind of hyped the summer before his senior year. I’ve sen him on TV a couple times, and all I can say is he’s tall, athletic and mobile. I don’t see any way how Hundley could come in his rookie year and do what Bridgewater did.
I can only support this in the event that the team name is changed to the Gray Death Legion.
Ok so it’d be backwards but I can also get on board if he changes his first name to Carlyle. If he did that I’d be willing to start a fan page for the Gray Death Legion whether he becomes an Eagle or not.
When can we draft this Higgins kid?
Posted this below and in prior threads. Regarding Hundley’s viability in NFL and where he ranks in this class. Greg Peshek (Rotoworld) provided a breakdown of all passes thrown by Hundley, Winston, and Mariota this past season (he’s done this the past few draft classes – really insightful).
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/52722/349/2015s-quarterback-conundrum
Measuring the down and distance to release location, the biggest red-flag takeaway in my mind when it comes to Hundley is how poorly he fared in pass completions beyond 10 yards, it was really bad!
First off, 33% of his passes this past seasons were screens, and 73.8% of his passes were 10 yards or less (compared to 56.3% for Winston, and 56.9% for Mariota).
On throws of 11 to 20 yards, his completion rate was only 51.7% (Winston 60%, Mariota 70.1%). On throws over 20 yards, his completion rate was 39% (Winston 46.9%, Mariota 58.1%).
Take a moment to read the piece and draw your own conclusions, but for me Hundley seems a lot closer to Jake Locker than Russell Wilson.
great stuff
76M . . .
Interesting info.
Seems to me — and I’ll defer ultimately to T-Law and Belichick — that these kinds of analytic results should be a *starting point*, not an end point, in the evaluation of Hundley as reflected by:
1. The game film;
2. The talent around him;
3. The scheme in which he operated;
4. The philosophy of the coaching staff;
Etc., etc.
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There was a time in the ’60s that a QB named Gary Cuozzo of the Colts was considered a starter-quality backup based on how he performed in Baltimore. Then Cuozzo landed in Minnesota (off their ’69 SB appearance) as their new starter. He was lousy. He moved on to the Cards and was no better.
In the early ’70s, it was a QB named Jim Del Gaizo. On the undefeated SB champion ’72 Miami Dolphins he looked like an All Pro in his few appearances with a HOF-All Pro filled offense. Then off to Green Bay he went (for a 2nd Rd pick) . . . and he was out of the NFL in 2 years.
But on the flip side, a former #1 pick of the Lions named Earl Morrall was a journeyman — until reaching the ’68 Colts. Poof . . . MVP. Then onto Miami in ’71 and a year later, he’s CPY after replacing an injured Bob Griese.
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I know T-Law’s made the following point about Bradford.
And Belichick, just yesterday, was lamenting Hundley’s situation at UCLA.
Put a QB in a different scheme under a good coach surrounded by better talent and you may have a completely different ballplayer.
That said . . . T-Law and Belichick (per the coach) value Hundley very differently based on the tape.
Matt Flynn 2011 and afterwards.
Exactly.
I completely agree that scouting profile will go substantially deeper, and that this type of breakdown is more a starting point.
The thing is, EVERY player gets evaluated and projected based on the 4+ points you list above. I love the teaching environment Chip has fostered in his staff and organization structure. The practice format provides multiple reps for every player. Perhaps Chip and Pat and Ryan Day (new QB coach) see Hundley’s areas needing improvement as fixable and will take a shot? I’m a PAC 12 follower, and have seen enough of Hundley to think that Chip will be taking a pass – but I certainly could be wrong.
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Besides MM, whom do think Kelly’s written down as QB-#2 on the list of players he’d draft?
It’s a great question, and honestly I don’t have a clue. I believe him when he says quick decision making and repetitive accuracy are at the top of his key QB assessments. But, beyond MM, I’m seriously at a loss as to how highly Chip rates this QB class.
Is this class on a par with 2010, where the top 5 QBs selected were Bradford (1), Tebow (25), Clausen (48), McCoy (85), and Kafka (122)?
Or, is it more like 2011, where you had Newton (1), Locker (8), Gabbert (10), Ponder (12), Dalton (35), Kapernick (36), and Mallett (74) (not saying this year’s class would be taken so early, but could there be 3+ eventual starting caliber QBs)?
I just think beyond MM, the rest of this class is highly developmental and not worth early consideration. I would probably pass on a QB this year and look to one of the Ohio State QBs next year :).
The OSU QB’s?
Braxton isn’t a viable NFL QB.
Cardale Jones has thrown 90 NCAA passes.
Barrett shouldn’t consider coming out.
No. Jones should have come out this year, he would have been a first rounder for sure!
Yeah, didn’t mean to include Braxton…mostly feel that Urban’s system is very translatable for evaluating QBs potential in Chip’s system…
1. The game film; This is 100% eye of the beholder
2. The talent around him; I rank it Winston, Mariota, Hundley (Winston should in theory have the much better talent, but some of it flopped, but FSU should always have the better players)
3. The scheme in which he operated; Mariota, Winston, Hundley; Mariota played in the best scheme, which hurts in some eyes and Hundley played in a crappy scheme, which also hurts him.
4. The philosophy of the coaching staff; Can I just say that Jim Mora is a bad offensive coach?
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2015/02/2015-nfl-draft-quarterback-passing-chart-project/
Where you draw the breaking point in terms of splits matters.
Thanks for sharing link – hadn’t seen this before, seems well researched!
The Eagles draft analyst @ Drafttek took Randy Gregory in their latest mock.That is something that never crossed my mind before even with the failed drug test.
The thing people don’t understand about Gregory is that he is not necessarily a bad kid or someone who is not prioritising football – he is a self confessed addict. Now that is a positive and a negative thing. If he can kick the habit he can be a very productive player without many character concerns. If he cannot then he will be out of the league in 2 years due to suspensions.
We have no idea where he is at personally as a fan – will be all about how scouts can evaluate where he is in the recovery process and how much support/commitment he has to the process. If you are confident he is committed to beating his addiction i would draft him in a heartbeat at 20, if you don’t feel that way you let him slide till day 3.
I agree with your take. I liked the way Gregory came out immediately and owned it. He started partying in HS and it did’t stop at Nebraska. He reportedly has given it up, thought his blood would be free of it in time for combine physical, and I think he learned a lesson when it wasn’t. I am cautiously optimistic based on the words from his mouth, and the fact that he hasn’t been outed as a fraud. I think at this point if he was trying to convey an image of cleaning himself up, while at the same time still smoking the reefer, he would have been caught out. I don’t think he’ll drop to 20.
Gregory is my choice for the “Beckham” of this draft. He’s a raw but capable pass rusher, a solid run defender, and will be a superior OLB in the NFL imo. He doesn’t take plays off, and he is impressively strong, weighing 240lbs and regularly holding his own against tackles and guards way bigger than himself. He’s long and he uses his arms and hands to pass rush against big tackles. He goes until the whistle, and he will chase a ball carrier all over the field if necessary. I don’t know if Chip has him on his board only because of the failed drug test, but despite that, he won’t be around when the Eagles select. My big concern is that he goes to the Giants…he bears a slight resemblance to LT. He’ll be at least as good as Mack imo.
what is the “beckham” of this draft mean?… chip kellys definition aka best player in the entire draft?… I dont know how he measures up to the rest of the draft class, but Id take two players at his position before him…Folwer and Dupree…
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if we cant have one of those two(most likely), id rather address other positions and Take Shaq Riddick to be our #4 edger rusher in the later rounds… but gregory is a talented edge rusher prospect. I dont like him, but he has upside and talent that I wouldnt mind our coaches working with… he just isnt my favorite… and he is stupid. NFL coaches mostly dont even care if you smoke, but they REALLY CARE if you can pass drug tests or not…. to fail a drug test you know about months in advance, with millions of dollars on the line when you are a broke kid, is some serious stupidity that Im scared of…. what will he do when he has 10mil in the bank?
No. Just no.
“solid run defender”? you either haven’t watched his Wisconsin tape or use that word far too liberally.
He was 235lbs at the combine. He’s 6’5. He will be decapitated at that weight.
He’s a good pass rusher but isn’t on the same planet as Khalil Mack as an OLB. Mack was far more violent, strong against the run and had actual experience dropping into coverage.
He wasn’t massively underweight, a joke in the run game, with a propensity to smoke weed at inopportune times.
He needs more moves as well. He is a straight line kind of guy. I think Dupree has more upside and a first and second step that not many can rival. Both need to work on setting the edge. Speaking of rushers, do you have any Intel of alani fua from BYU? Looks like he as pretty good measurables. I havent had a chance to watch him and I’m not even sure he has tape.
If he has to give up weed, would most likely drop under 200 lbs.
Wow this guy says the exact opposite. The opinions couldn’t be more extreme.
https://youtu.be/S8AdCCOD4iw
any opinion you can find on a prospect, I can find 5 respected opinions that say the opposite..
I did not see the Wisconsin game, but I watched some tape of Nebraska Miami and highlights of Michigan St. He was reportedly under his playing weight at the combine. What I saw was a display of strength against bigger OL. Perhaps the Wisconsin game would change my expectations, but I thought I had seen enough to draw conclusions. I would not expect him to play at 240 in the pros, he definitely looks like a three-down LB to me.
He was sick prior to the combine and had said he had lost weight. FWIW
not uncommon for OLB/DE to come into the NFL not strong enough to set the edge needing to spend their first year getting strong enough to handle run defense duty… which is why so often we see rookie edge rushers play situational pass rusher roles as rookies…. if teams didnt draft edge rushers who werent strong enough to handle the run right away, half of the top edge rushers would have never been drafted…
NFL Films guru Greg Cosell said Wednesday that he’d pick Zach Mettenberger over Florida State QB Jameis Winston.
Cosell said last week that he also prefers Winston over Oregon QB Marcus Mariota, so it’s safe to say Mettenberger would be Cosell’s top QB if he were in this class. “Mettenberger and Winston are very, very similar in style of play,” Cosell said. “I’d argue Mettenberger is more advanced as an anticipatory thrower and has a little bit better arm.” Mettenberger (6’5/224) and Winston (6’4/231) are about the same size and both are pocket passers with limited movement skills. They also both ran pro-style offenses in college. The Titans will face the decision to have either Mettenberger and, let’s say, USC DL Leonard Williams or Mariota or Winston. Maybe the Titans actually do hold Mettenberger in high regard.-roto
Strong needs surgery? I’ll take that fall in draft stock all day. Pick him up Chipper!
be awesome if he fell to us in round 2, a long shot…. but there is so much talent at WR, i can see a few teams passing on him for healthy, talented alternatives.. for example, instead of being the 4th or 5th WR drafted, he could end up being the 10th…
We could get Coates and Strong and be set for a long long time.
I really want Perriman, but I doubt he lasts past #14…
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coates and strong will do just fine.. as far as im concerned
I think Coates is a very similar player for a cheaper price. I think Coates also has more physicality and RAC ability. I feel Perriman disappears a bit in games. I would take either but prefer Sammie because he doesn’t cost a first and produced in the SEC.
Perriman flys.. 4.2 what? 4.24? for a pretty big kid… NFL: pedigree, doesnt matter Perrriman wont last to 20 anyway… he could end up being the 3rd WR drafted. I can see him go as high as #10, doubt he would get passed Miami…
I think a 4.3 something but yeah he is fast. I think Coates ran a 4.44 but I think he is faster on tape. Surprised he didn’t run a 4.3 as well.
no… perriman ran 4.24 i believe at his pro day, and they showed the time on the screen while he ran so you know it wasnt a generous stop watch time.
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Jalen strong is denying the injury calling it “OLD NEWS” and that he played 5 games this past year with the injury…
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go to youtube, and check out the video of Perriman running at his proday… wish all pro days have the timer on the screen while the kids run
Coates disappears …shows up for big games though
He always has that big catch though. At least one coming from RAC or a deep toss.
He has been talking with Hinkie.
and that is why Cosell is not that QB guru that everybody makes him too be.
As said, Cosell (like most of the NFL) has some kind of fetish for big, strong armed statues that cant move.
Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. A guy who split playing time with Jefferson and couldn’t get his team to win over 8 games is a better player than Winston? Lol, he wasn’t even a better college QB, let alone prospect
Surprised that the “rumor Dejour” hasnt made it to this board yet….
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The Eagles trade Bradford, #20, a first rounder next year, and a 3rd rounder this year….. for the #2 pick in the draft so the eagles can take Dante Fowler 🙂
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Titans trade #2 and a 3rd rounder… and get Phillip Rivers
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Chargers get Bradford and like 3 first rounder and two 3rd rounders
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so the Eagles would have Dante Fowler (lol cough Mariota), our 2nd, 4th, two 5ths, 6th, 7th in this draft… and in next years draft we wont have our 1st or 2nd round pick…
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apparently chip is turning the NFL into the NBA according to Jason Cole and bleacher report….
Where did you see this? Not on Cole’s twitter timeline. That said, it would be absolutely hilarious if Chip traded that far up and all of Eagles’ fandom thinks we’re getting Mariota and then Chip takes Fowler or Beasley or even Leonard Williams. Screw Mariota, give Kinne a chance.
radio was talking about it… they even brought on a san diego sports radio host on as a guest to address the 3 team trade rumor and give his opinion of the trade from the san diego point of view… i figured it would be all over the internet by the time I got to my comp..
Based on the fact that this is no where else on twitter or the internet, I think those radio hosts were just throwing out a speculative scenario and not addressing any specific report.
no… comcast sportsnet just refrenced the same trade on TV 10 minutes ago… that hack elliot shor parker just said he wrote about it today
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/67941/could-chargers-help-eagles-land-marcus-mariota
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i assume this is it
That’s pure speculation, not anything based on sourced information.
as if every fuckin rumors peop;le spend all offseason talking about is based of a source and not PURE SPECULATION..LOL people still think kendricks is gone over a trade possibility a media member made up LOL
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“rumor dejour”… not “report dejour”
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i dont believe none of this bullshit, so you are preaching to the choir, i passed it along because so many gullible people are into this type of bogus speculation, dont shoot the messenger
No, some of them and the ones I give any time of day are based on reports where the writer says that he has a source giving him the information.
Geagle’s link and this is from ESP.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/04/report_eagles_rams_browns_chargers_interested_in_t.html
look how he throws shit against the wall
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http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/04/2015_nfl_draft_would_the_tennessee_titans_want_sam.html#incart_related_stories
LOL – well at least the draft will stop this senseless speculation. I’ve stopped listening to sports radio because I can’t handle this. Plus, none of my teams are playoff bound and the Phillies flat out stink.
At least Montreal/Ottawa is a good rivalry matchup.
I can’t wait for the Eagles to draft Mariota so I can stop scrolling past multiple 500 word rants from GE about how the Eagles aren’t interested in Mariota. It’s taxing…
I don’t think they have interest, but the whole ordeal is taxing. I need the draft to happen just to stop any speculation, especially ones that make no sense.
imagine how i feel, i cant even have a convo about the eagles without morons thinking we are moving up 18 spots in a draft/// you complain about me? everywhere I turn I cant get away from the stupidity… so trust me, i cant wait for this all to end as much as you… you are welcome to minimize my posts and not read them like i do to so many of you every single day without sounding like a bitch about it LOL.. good day sweetie nmuah
where’s the third 1st rounder?
from the titans… they would have to send draft picks to the chargers as well… I guess Rivers is worth more then #2..
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the part of the rumor that doesnt make much sense is the Chargers flew to workout Mariota the other day, why wouldnt they want to get him in return for rivers? then again, Id probably rather have Bradford and 4-5 extra picks in the next two years instead of MM
Could have just been due diligence but this deal would have to occur before draft begins -Leading up to day of.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/67941/could-chargers-help-eagles-land-marcus-mariota
do you really think we are going to see NBA style 3 team mega trades? is their even a Precedent in the NFL for a 3 team NBA style blockbuster trade?
Yes.
The Eric Dickerson trade from the Rams to the Colts also involved the Bills, who acquired hold-out rookie OLB Cornelius Bennett from the Colts while sending picks and RB Greg Bell to the Rams.
Whisenhunt could well be gone by the time MM is proving himself.
I read about this at pillymag.
thought it was just speculation.
why don’t we just get rivers instead?
Only reason the Titans would trade away no. 2 would be to get Rivers.
of course its pure speculation, but so is every other bullshit rumor that gets talked about every single day for months…. heck, the city thinks kendricks is gone off PURE SPECULATION, no report…
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does anyone actually think we will see NBA style 3 team mega trades? get real, just media nonsense
Dont forget that clause that the Eagles get back a pick from the Rams if Bradford doesnt start for the eagles.
From what I have seen, its a pure speculation trade so far.
Its a trade that would make sense if we really want Mariota and the Chargers are ready to trade Rivers.
lol so the rumors yous spend every day talking about arent based off pure speculation? show me the report, not pure speculation that allowed yous to spend months talking as if Kendricks is gone? lol
I have never spend time speculation on Kendricks and even called out the writers for speculating purely of the us not giving him an extension yet.
“Chargers are ready to trade Rivers” — or Rivers wants out of dodge. Rivers is the one that probably started the rumor. If I’m him, I’d want out too.
Darren Waller:
Obviously looks the part of a Chip WR standing at 6’6″ and weighing in at 238 lbs. Ran a 4.46 at the combine with a 37″ vert. Only completed 12 reps but it only showcases his ability to get even stronger. First thing you notice when you watch him is, he looks super awkward running. His strides are short and he catches the ball relatively close to his body. I wouldn’t call anything about him “natural.” However, “natural doesn’t really matter if you can catch tds.
Watched him gear down on a vertical route when it was an easy completion against his defender but he redeemed himself on another vertical route to the endzone. He was able to beat his defender initially then turn and locate the ball, the defend held him and Waller was still easily able to grab the ball for a td to go along with a PI call. I didn’t see him get pressed at the line but I can imagine he would smack those silly db’s away. Despite the cb’s giving him plenty of cushion, Waller blew right by them. The game I watched was against Mississippi St.
Raw route runner. I only saw him run 3 routes, verts, combacks and maybe an in. He does not drop his hips well coming out of breaks, which is to be expected from a person who is 6’6″, but it still needs works. Despite this, I think he is adept and the comeback and I saw him find the hole between 3 defenders in a zone defense and it was an easy 10 yard gain.
G-tech had a Freshman qb who was 5’11” and liked to run and the offense seemed run based. Good news for Waller who was an excellent blocker, he could easily find and engage his defender and drive him off the ball. Waller only put up 450 yards but with 6 tds. Like I said, he didn’t benefit from excellent qb play.
Overall looks like a very large WR with some explosion and speed to go with it. Looks like he could be and elite blocker at the position and be a serious threat in the RZ. A “Chip template” WR except for his opening game suspensions in 2013&14. I think he needs to build on his past season, get even stronger and become more proficient in route running. Overall, I think a 4th rounder.
Waller played very poorly in the Shrine Game. He can block but that’s it. He’s Momah that can block right now. His teammate Smelter is the better WR and player right now.
No, he actually uses his size which Momah never did and his speed shows up on tape. I haven’t watched Smelter so I can’t comment on him. I think he is a bit of a mystery because, from what I saw, he wasn’t asked to do much at G-tech. I think a team is going to like his size and speed.
The ACL tear does not seem to bother Kelly and Smelter fits every box in terms of big bodied WR who can block, use his size and is fast.
Smelter is like a better Riley Cooper
Should get him at a discount in mud later rounds.
Waller isn’t physically dominating despite his size. That’s why he gets the Momah comparison. Smelter will definitely be on NFL scouts radars so don’t expect him to drop very far unless his medicals are really that bad. There’s plenty of WR gems. Look up Tre McBride (another Chip guy), very smart kid (went to William & Mary instead of Harvard) and good WR from a small school.
He is a physically dominating blocker though.
agreed
Waller is the wrong G-Tech WR.
You want Smelter, the much better WR and comes with Kelly’s new favorit ACL tear
I like him… there is a lot of rawness to his game that needs to be developed, but we dont have to teach him to use his size, and that is a start that I dont mind us working with… no clue what round that kid will get drafted in tho… if we can get him after the 4th, i wouldnt mind…
Considering they stole Paul Johnson and his Triple Option offense from Navy, I would agree they like to run a lot 🙂
So I’m reading now that Damarious Randall may be a 1st rounder? lolwut
There is a pool of about 30-40 players after the first 15 taken that can be stacked however people want depending on taste/needs of the teams. He is the best Free Safety in the draft so there is a chance a team in the late 1st feels they want to pick to need because they will not get a chance again in this draft.
Him being the best FS in the draft just speaks volumes to how bad the safety position is this year.
how does it help the titans to trade really valuable asset(s) for a QB who will be 33 at start of the season. This makes more sense for the Eagles, who could be close to competing for a SB with the right QB. But this seems dumb for the Titans. So I don’t believe it.
I think Chip should deal with anyone below the titans, and not even take their call on draft day. I think all this “look how many teams want Mariota and will pay dearly” is the Titans PR machine at work.
Rivers had his best season in a long time with Wiz as his OC in SD. Have to assume he has 3-5 more good years left for it to be worth it.
exactly, its easy to understand really. Their front office prob thinks with a good draft, a few FAs and now a franchise QB they can do a lot. That includes marketing the team and selling tix, just generating more interest. If Peyton can sign a huge contract that late (I get it, its PM) its easy to assume they can get 5 solid years out of Rivers. I think it would be a brilliant move by Tenn.
i would take Rivers in a heartbeat if we could, he def has some years left in him… i think he played some of his best ball these past two years
Oh I agree. I think we easily become a SB contender with Rivers
would be fun to see how fast he can run this offense with his experience and football IQ…
apparently eagles just hosted Darryl Roberts. CB from Marshall 6′ 182 lbs.
“Roberts had a 4.36 and a 4.39 in the 40-yard dash a 39-inch vertical leap, an 11-1 broad jump, bench pressed 225 pounds 23 times with a 4.08 short shuttle and a 6.66 three-cone drill.”
he’s also ranked second in the SPARQ CB rankings (Byron jones is 1st surprise, surprise). but he’s not just an athlete, plays with good technique, physicality and plays with an edge.
interesting prospect, wonder if he could be a target in the mid rounds
Neville Hewitt is another player from Marshall that interests me from marshall as an ILB prospect. plays violent, but maybe not as athletic as Ed and Chip would like (ranked in the 27th percentile in SPARQ rankings, still much higher than perryman and dawson) maybe Tommy or Tyler could shed some light on him and if he’s a realistic prospect for us.
I would think so, it seems that they do have interest in those that they meet. He now has a higher chance of getting picked than someone who they haven’t seen.
any idea if they had Shaquille Riddick off the top of your head?…too lazy to check..
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I want him as our high upside edge rusher outside of the top 100…
Not according to Sheil’s list from 4/14.
thanks… i want this kid as our #4 edge rusher…
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Obviously I would rather have Folwer or Bud Dupree, but since we cant have them, Id rather take a flier on his upside later in the draft, then to settle on another pass rusher early, Tho Id be OK with the long african name edge rusher from UCLA, but instead of edge rusher, I would consider moving him inside like Curry…
I couldn’t find anything by Googling him either. He did say he visited a team on his Twitter, but couldn’t figure out which one.
he is a project who wont be strong enough to play the run as a rookie.. i wouldnt mind having him stub his Toe and IR him for a year or even better getting him on our practice squad
The Eagles were at the WVU pro day, so they may have met with him. I haven’t found anything tho that would suggest they talked to him (or didn’t).
Edit: Scratch that, I can’t read dates.
Another guy like that has similar size and testing numbers is Alani Fua from BYU. He’s a underweight but has that long speedy frame. He doesn’t have any tape posted though.
One thing to keep in mind is the coaching staff has strong ties to Marshall. Azz coached there, and Ryan Day was a GA at Florida when some of the current Marshall coaches were on the staff.
On Roberts I watched one tape and had mixed feelings. Here’s Dane’s thoughts, I’m inclined to agree given limited tape available to public
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/588496136102498304
I’ve been meaning to get to Hewitt, Kyle Crabs loves him, I just haven’t gotten around to it. Not sure how he’s scoring so poorly on sparq though.
https://twitter.com/nucfootball/status/575823003684069376
From what I’ve read(can’t claim to have watched any tape), Roberts’ selling point is STs ability more than anything.
Sweet, thanks for the insight
as for the 3team trade nonsense….. if this was actually true, do people think we would actually hear about something like this beforehand? so many moving parts involved in this hypothetical rumor that I assume it would be kept completely under wraps until it became official atleast til the QB agents start negotiating with the new teams
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i doubt Bradford will be traded, but if he is, I doubt Chip would allow so many true leaks about us looking to trade the kid
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and you know this is bullshit because for something Mega like this to ever become official, the QBs involved, Rivers/bradford would have to sign off on this and probably agree to an extension with the new team, and that would probably leak….Rivers agent isnt negotiating with the Titans, so its Bogus..
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and when this comes from Bleacher report and Elliot Parks, I wouldnt put too much stock into it, just passing along the crazy rumor of the day
When you complain about the nonsense being reported in the media and how angry it makes you, I wonder why you consume that media.
When you applaud Tommy and this community for rising above these silly rumors and click-baiting, I agree with you.
When you call this a haven to shelter from the storm of feces that the rumors often create, I am reminded to be grateful.
And then you introduce these rumors to the conversation, repeatedly, and belittle comments that call them untrue while simultaneously belittling comments that actually consider them.
If they so anger you, why do you defile the haven by tracking the feces back here?
LOL Clown stfu …..
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Is that one of many GEAGLE’s accounts or why did you feel offended?!
I feel like at the end of this movie it will be revealed that we are ALL geagle and have been talking to ourselves for years…
methinks was impersonationing
Stay classy…..
sarcasm/satire, ya’ll.
The crack make you see a clown? I’m lost.
I also heavily suspect there’s a dreamboat poster of ESP ripped out of “Tiger Beat” on GE’s wall. Someone doth protest too loudly.
Your animus for the sports writers who spin yarn that you find offensive is misplaced, I think. Market economics 101: Supply feeds demand. The writers who anger you are providing enough of a return on their employers’ investments to warrant their roles as writers. Those investments of those employers have nothing to do with truth or accuracy; they are solely projections on demand, in an effort to make a profit. You are one of the many consumers of their products, yet you attack them for what they do. Bias is one thing, but you seem convinced that there is an ultimate truth that you know that they are ignoring or distorting. Anywhere you search in any media, bias is the currency of the trade. All any “journalist ” has t do to propagate rumors is get someone – preferably with a title, but not necessarily – to say something that can be reasonably interpreted to confirm a fantastic story. People eat this stuff up like belgian waffles with butter and raw maple syrup, and they don’t deserve ANYBODY’s pity. If they are misinformed or played like fools, they are more to blame than the writers and publishers who feed them their fantasies. The real “truth” here is these writers are going nowhere because too many of us would have a huge void in our lives if they went away. And that includes you.
is that a good weight or bad?
i dont think you can say without seeing him move around with it… im sure he looks good, he probably isnt looking fat.,. but looking good doesnt neccessarily mean he can carry the new weight well…. chips a maniac, knowing him he is looking at Shaq as a RB while we all assume ILB/S lol
Good.
this guy seems like a bit of a project. Id prefer they stay away from those in the higher rounds. Gotta like the athleticism but I feel like this team has had its share of failed experiments. Just seems like too good of a draft
I don’t think he’s a project. He’s a very good LB, question was can he put on the weight. Other issue for me was he didn’t come across as explosive as he was made out to be. If he moves well at 230+, not a bad option as a ILB.
I think he’d be a project at Safety.
could see the Giants taking him as an Antrell Rolle replacement
I said project because of this write up which makes him seem like a bit of a risk:
“Riddick played one season of FBS football, in a scheme that did not fit his style. Again, athleticism is prioritized here and Riddick is a pick beyond the second round that could pay dividends when lined up wider in a pass rushing role.”
Riddick (6-6, 242) played for Gardner-Webb in Carolina before transferring to WVU this past season. He apparently played out of position forthe Mountaineers but still registered seven sacks and 11 tackles for a loss in ’14. Looks like he would have to add some weight and strength tocompete on this level”
This is about Riddick…original comment was related to Shaq Thompson from Washington. Two different players…
oh well that makes sense, Ill see myself out
I would LOVE to get Riddick for us to try and develop into our 4th OLB. but he is a real PROJECT, so i wouldnt spend anything close to a top 100 pick…
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I would preferably get a project like him undrafted or in the 7th round,. but I wouldnt take him any higher then our 2nd 5th round pick… He is a project who may have to spend a year on your practice squad, he certainly isnt strong enough to play the run as a rookie, and his skinny legs worry me, but i wouldnt mind him stubbing his toe and IR’ing him or getting stashed on our practice squad for a year, unless Travis Long gets hurt again and need him to fill a roster spot…
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if we need to take a flier on an OLB project, I hope its him…
He does seem like very good LB. He has 2 major questions. 1. Can he maintain his weight at this level and how much agility will he lose? 2. Can he learn to shed blocks at the next level? I think he can do both and would be a good player but I don’t think he is worth 20.
Completely agree on both points. His athleticism seemed overblown based on his combine results. Seems like people expecting him to blow it out of the water. If the added weight is muscle mass, good. Question than is can he get bigger/stronger and keep it on without losing it.
I don’t think he could really develop into the kind of safety we look for. Definitely a thumper of a SS, but not the kind the FO wants.
if he’s there at our 2nd round pick i’d grab him but he’s definitely not a first rounder.
240 is the functional weight of an ILB.
curious to see how long it takes for the local media to declare WAR on Ryan Mathews…. he is completely Anti Media, you cant get him on Camera after a game. He does this slick ish where he will give a beat reporter a few quotes as soon as the game ends so he cant be fined for not talking to media, and immediately dissapear running away from the media. he will even do this after he has Big games… immagine when he has a bad game and all our media looks for him, and they cant get to him? Kid has a bad habit of fumbling, and he can NEVER stay healthy, they joke in san diego about him because one year he had more collar bone breaks then TDs(his 1 TD year)…. hopefully our sports science and playing a backup role can keep this kid healthy, but he better work with our local media, or they will destroy him after a few bad games and it could get ugly between him and our media… wonder if he knows what he is getting himself into? lol
I also find it interesting that Chip said he will have Howie in his War room.. why? “because I value his opinion”-chip
Chip: Howie, where will player X go?
Howie: Well I think player X is very good at…..
Chip: I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT HIM!!!!!! Just tell me what round I can get him in!
i just read that picturing Chip Kelly sounding like The Rock laying the verbal smackdown on Howies “Candy ass”
That is excellent. Not only does Chip see the value in a skilled but contrary opinion, but he also is comfortable enough in his authority that he is not threatened by having his predecessor as part of the conversation.
but what opinion can he offer if he’s not part of any player evaluations? Maybe with trade offers?
Could be there to help with trade values and stuff like that.
I agree. He’s probably there for trade value and draft timing tactics.
Happy to see Chip doing this.
Nothing stops every loser on this board from offering their opinions -I doubt will have any problem doing the same.
Because yours is so valuable.
Exactly!
Now excuse me while I cut and paste my mock from first-pick.
Your opinion is so highly valued that you don’t need to excuse yourself from anyone sir. Please proceed so you can enlighten everyone.
It’s my opinion that anyone of us losers can express our opinions, so it shouldn’t be so difficult for, ya know, a professional football executive like Roseman to offer his opinion.
Pretty controversial.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/0379349f20485db1eed3d2b9376b8f1e/tumblr_mlobogUkHp1rnqjkpo1_500.gif
When you consider that the guy for whom “The GM” job was the be-all/end-all, HR’s probably been watching tape and reading bio’s and player profiles as much as any member of the personnel department.
Help me understand what you mean. Are you saying HR is doing all that stuff on his own? He’s not part of the personnel department – so he’s not doing that with the personnel group. HR is researching his own list of players to evaluate? Or are you thinking CK give him a mission to do that so they can compare notes at the draft on players?
Howie’s specialty is valuation, not evaluation.
Exactly. Which confuses me why people think he’s looking at tapes…
if he did, maybe he could learn something.
The two domains, I think, are not mutually exclusive.
Okay this is my speculation. This University of Florida Law School grad contacted the NFL for job interest before he received his degree. Apparently, he told his college roommate Jedd Fisch, that his dream job is General Manager in the NFL. I started there and considered the fact that Jeff Lurie loves this guy. The fact that HR was issued a pay raise for NOT doing his job, leads me to believe that HR does not want to be out of the conversation when A) Chip moves on; B) Lurie moves on or C) When Chip turns the Eagles into a dynasty, and other franchises are taking applications for the GM position.
Howie is very good at trades. Him being in the war room is an asset.
Oh I def agree. I think its a very good thing that chip isnt petty enough to waste such an “asset”. cut off his nose to spite his face sort of thing.. Howie has:
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1) had a good grasp of what other teams would do
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2) howie has relationships and experience with guys in other front offices that can help get trades done, and help us predict their actions
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3) makes sure we wont get screwed on trades
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but bigger then the specifics of letting howie in the room, its just good to know that he wont let his ego, or pettiness cause him to waste an asset. Good trait in a leader and GM
maybe since he doesnt talk to them he doesnt read them so he wont give two thoughts about it…
If he doesnt read or watch any media, thats probably the smartest thing an athlete in philly can do…
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the kid has ability, I just desperate NEED him to toughen up and stop fumbling the ball every time the game gets gritty, and STOP GETTING HURT!! If this kid doesnt fumble the ball this year and plays 16 games, he can be a heckuva complimentary bruising back to Demarco… a beast #2 we havent had since Buckhalter.. Hopefully he can be a little healthier then Buck too lol….. I have a feeling Ryan will be very hit or miss. We eiether HATE him because he is always hurt and fumbles in the dogfight games, or he holds on to the ball, stays healthy and can be a really nice addition and compliment to Mathews….
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but with Mathews and Polk both being injury concerns, I hope we do end up keeping all 4 backs… we really have to make it an effort to take it easy with Demarco next year because Dallas purposely tried to run him into the ground ;last year to protect Romo and justify not paying him… we need to take it easy with Demarco next year. get him out of the game on 3rd down for sproles.. and use Ryan Mathews or Polk for at the very least 10 carries a game… Hope Murray only runs like 17-23 times a game next year… keep him fresh for a playoff run, and keep all 4 RBs, you can justify it with Sproles and Polk being major ST contributors
He isn’t required to talk with the media, and I can’t believe that Kelly would press the issue. When we get to the Superbowl, maybe he’ll do a Marshawn.
no….as soon as the game ends he gives a few quotes to a beat reporter so he cant be fined for not meeting media requirement and then dissapears before the rest of the reorters and camera rmen can get to him….kelly would press the issue? what issue? he gives a quote or two right away to meet the media requirements so they cant fine him… chip wont care, but i wonder how long until this starts to infuriate the media when he ducks them after a bad game or two…
Every year I spend a countless number of hours reading about and looking at videos of the draft prospects. I enjoy it.
Anyway last year I didn’t know about Marcus Smith or Jaylrn Watkins. The year prior I didn’t know about Bennie Logan and in 2012 I didn’t know about Kendricks despite me wanting them to take LaVonte David.
Who don’t u know about this year?
he doesn’t know
Chris Wessling at NFL.com recently reported that the Eagles first approached Buffalo about trading Shady for draft picks, but Buffalo, without a #1 pick, invited Eagles to look over the Bills roster. Wessling sees the Eagles’ willingness to take a player instead of a pick as evidence that Kelly really wanted rid of McCoy – well, duh… His article has a link that takes the reader to a phone interview with Ladainian Tomlinson, who said he spoke to McCoy several days before he was traded. Similarly to Shady, Tomlinson believes that Kelly does not want “strong personalities” in his locker room. He includes the cutting of Cary Williams as evidence. Forgetting Cary’s trash-talking for a moment, he wasn’t a terrible corner for us, but he often displayed more toughness after the whistle, and he wasn’t coming cheaply. I wonder if Williams agrees with Tomlinson’s take.
ttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000485521/article/report-eagles-sought-draft-picks-in-lesean-mccoy-deal
Maybe Kelly doesn’t like players not worth their cap hit? Why the conspiracy?
exactly and Tomlinson seems to want to stick up for every RB that plays no matter what the situation is.
well LT was in the same position, almost exactly, though he was very successful for a couple more years with NYJ.
Chip & Ed Marynowitz privately worked out Adrian Amos today in Maryland.
This pleases me.
i like him… what round do you see him in?
I had read he was a likely 3rd. I’m thinking maybe 2nd though if they want him bad enough.
haven’t they been bringing in a lot of mid round picks?
Yeah, it seems most of the visits have not been of the 1st round variety. A number of mid-rounders as you said, plus a lot of likely UDFAs.
sounds a little ducky.. i mean fishy
La’El Collins is probably the highest regarded guy they brought in and probably the only unanimous first round pick. We have brought in some fringe guys though (corners and receivers)
I keep seeing Collins around the 10 spot, is there anyway he can fall to 20. Would love that pick
Which one, La’el or Landon? Because if it’s the latter you should probably rethink that.
Bre had Perriman will be a 1st round pick too
Can somebody explain to me why Perriman is a 1st round WR outside of his speed?
His size, and his leading college football in 20+ yards catches – I think that is right.
Mike Mayock can explain to you.
You mean the guy who dropped Teddy Bridgewater based on fucking pro day?
Yes the guy that probably knows more than you. And me.
I consider him as one of the fringe guys he could call to the second and I don’t think anyone would be shocked.
Strong as well I believe
i dont know if i like him THAT much to spend a top 100 pick on him. Its not that I dont like him, i just assume we can do better. I wouldnt draft him before Jesse James…if he falls to the 4th aka the “Boykin zone” (where we normally get our corner ) I would Love him…. I just assume we can do better in the first 3 rounds, but I wouldnt mind seeing him join the birdgang..
“Rumor Dejour”…
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The Cleveland Plain Dealer expects the Browns to make a “strong pitch” for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
The Browns haven’t worked out Mariota, but that means little this time of year. Teams routinely eschew such visits yet draft the player. The Browns have unique perspective into the draft’s No. 2 quarterback, as new QBs coach Kevin O’Connell spent six weeks mentoring Mariota before arriving in Cleveland. This isn’t the first report linking Cleveland to Mariota. Owner Jimmy Haslam is consumed by the idea of finding a “franchise quarterback.” With the Nos. 12 and 19 picks, the Browns have the ammunition to make a draft-day move.-via roto
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Potential trade partners for MM:
Browns have two first round picks
Saints have two first rounders
Eagles have 1st rround pick and former #1 pick QB
Chargers have Rivers and first round pick.
Rams have 1st rounder and Foles to offer
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Must be nice to be Wisenhunt, sitting back and looking over all types of lucrative offers… If all those teams are really serious about getting him, who knows how insane the winning trade offer will look like..
I don’t see the appeal in Mariota who was the last spread offense QB to actually become a good player in the NFL? Drew Brees?
hopefully… sam bradford is the last spread offense QB to actually become a good NFL Player lol.
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I like Sam and chip, I dont doubt that they can make sweet music together. I may be silly, but when world class specialist Dr James Andrews deems Sam as healthy, clearing him for Football activities, I will assume his knee is strong enough to take a 3 step drop, plant, and follow thru, maybe side step, or step up to avoid pressure, heck I assume his knee will be strong enough to handle an occassional roll out pass even….
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If Bradford is so valued that we can get mariota without having to give up much other compensation I would be ok with it… But I think Bradford and like 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder(that we would have to give up) are better then losing all that and having Mariota….. If I can want to keep Maclin who has to explode at full speed, stop and cut on his twice repaired ACLs or if I praise Kiko and his repaired knee, I think Sam will be ok to play QB, the position that puts less stress on his surgically repaired Knee.
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Sam is perfect for this offense.. He is everything I loved about Nick but more talent and skill… experienced running the spread at a high level with our new star RB…get Sam a quality OL and another pass catching weapon or two, and Im extremely excited about the sam Bradford era..
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I would be upset at this point if I never get to see what he looks like in chips offense… kid is a real talent… we have a serious young talent who allows us to use all our picks to build this team, no reason to give up the farm for another QB…
ACL isnt whats gonna affect your speed.. Its the Achilles.. ACL not as bad as use to be back in the days.. Sam as of now is good to go.. History of not being injured not on his side.. But lets hope if he stays an Eagle he stays healthy n get this team to the big dance
Sam’s speed doesnt matter anyway… we just need the knee to hold up to be a pocket passer, which has to be one of the less risky positions when it comes to how much pressure the athlete puts on the knee and risks knee injury…i think there are probably much higher odds of a QB’s knee getting jacked up due to a hit, then for a QB to blow out his knee rolling out for a non contact acl injury… so If the biggest risk to a pocket QB re-injuring his knee is a direct hit to it, How much can we really be worried about it when no healthy QB can with stand a direct shot to the knee?….if a pocket passer cant come back from an AC:L then kiko is doomed lol
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we got Barkley and Sanchez both as injury concerns. Our trainers gave us the green light to sign and draft them and injuries havent been an issue since becoming eagles…only eagle to suffer multiple significant injuries is travis long…
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Im very excited to see what chip can do with Sam… if Sam fails, it wont be because of a lack of talent
I may be silly….Andrews said RGIII was ready to go when he probably wasn’t, but sam will have had a full year to repair the new tear and build more strength in the knee that was torn.
Honestly, after watching all the tape out there on bradford he projects really well into our system. Not as mobile as mariota but hopefully that’s something he can get comfortable doing. But he’s used to playing from shotgun 100% of the time, he’s back with his old OC, his old running back, we could sign jermain gresham and just be the philly duck-eyes. As long as we make the playoffs.
Furhter, i wonder if watching Ohio State win the championship sort of changed Chip’s mind about what his system needed to look like. OS, has a power runner and a huge QB (I wonder if chip would take one of those guys in the 2016 draft) and a great D and they whalloped the ducks.
Didn’t Andrews fall out with the Shanahans over RGIII?
They said Andrews cleared him to go back in and Andrews was like, “nuh-uh, didn’t even get a chance to look at him”.
I’m paraphrasing, but that was the gist.
apples oranges… RG3 needs his knee for more then 3 step drops to play QB, he blows in the pocket, sam wants to sit in the pocket all day
We run a spread offense with WCO. Maybe you’re talking about other teams?
I know but why are all these others teams coocoo for cocoa puffs about a player that has a 95% chance to bust for them?
I think it is all BS.
Hard to say he’s sitting back — he’s got a really tough decision to make. If he doesn’t take a QB and ZM fails, he’s obviously gone, if he takes the picks and then takes hundley, or petty, etc. and they suck and MM is a stud he’s probably gone. You take rivers, he could be good but you had to give up a ton to get him and you have nothing to put around him.
Chargers are in a very interesting situation. Too bad we didn’t know about it before, i bet Chip would have preferred rivers to Bradford.
Rivers would cost a ton more than Bradford.
wish our decisions would be so “tough”
“du jour”
Bon jour?
voulez vous coucher avec moi
ummm… no, that’s not what I meant at all….
this got weird in a hurry
What happens in Paris…
Sacré bleu!!!!
Which part of this is news? I don’t see anything.
btw, Mariota worked out for Rams today
Demeco says his rehab is going really well, “much better then last time”.. he already is doing some running around on the field in cleats and is lifting with the guys
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Thinks Him, Kiko, and Mykal will rotate, but that Billy will also come up with some creative ways to get all 3 on the field at the same time..
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Claims Mykal Kendricks is his favorite team mate of all time.. loafty praise..
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see’s the defense as significantly improved, he had no problem openly saying we significantly upgraded at corner (sorry cary and Brad, he said it, not me), and Kiko is a big addittion…
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says he was thinking about all the injury guys we have the other day, and he thought about how they were all stand out players in this league at one time or another before getting injured but, injuries are such a big part of the game, some of the best are the ones tough enough to come back from injury and how overcoming injuries is a key aspect for how successful your career will be, and that he thinks we have character guys who will bounce back, and if we can get everyone on the field this could be a very improved team..
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Meco and Kendricks are two of the only ILBs in eagles history with 4 sacks in a season
going to see if i can post a new Mariota rumor every day from now til the draft….
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Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole reports it’s looking “stronger and stronger” that the Chargers will acquire Tennessee’s No. 2 overall pick, and draft Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
Per Cole’s sources, Philip Rivers and San Diego’s No. 17 overall pick would be “just a start” in trade talks. We’ve still yet to see the smoking gun that this is going to happen, but nothing has been done to squash the rumors. It’s not a fairy tale.-roto
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According to Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole, Philip Rivers believes the Chargers are “not going to pay him.”
In other words, Rivers forcing his way out of San Diego isn’t just about relocation fears. Per Cole, the Chargers are “extraordinarily concerned” about Rivers’ physical condition, as well, and will most likely package him in a deal for the Titans’ No. 2 overall pick. Cole reports that Rivers would “love” to play out his career for the Titans and ex-Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt. The smoke continues to build toward a Bolts/Titans blockbuster, but it doesn’t yet appear inevitable.-roto
If the deal goes down it will be interesting to see the costs involved – as i have seen people saying that the Chargers would have to give up more than just rivers (which would seem insane) and also that the Titans would have to give up significantly more. Will be crazy if this only goes down when they are on the clock.
Pls stop posting unfounded rumors. Or I am going to post rumors that Cox and Kendrick’s are being packaged for a 2nd round pick.
My only fear in this draft is that every team ahead of us trolls Chip saying, the teams behind you want to trade up and take your guy and Chip gives away more and more to get his guy.
Winston’s accuser drops lawsuit 2 weeks prior to draft. *sigh*. Gotta think that considering all the $$ involved if the allegations had any merit Winston would have just settled.
[…] dinner with him prior to his Pro Day so they have shown some interest. I wrote the other day about them possibly liking Garret Grayson, a mid-round target. The Eagles have shown interest in Cody Fajardo, who would be a late rounder. […]
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