Eagles to Sign John Moffitt

Posted: June 26th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 106 Comments »

The Eagles are set to sign free agent OG John Moffitt, the top interior OL on the market. Great. But why did the move take so long? He’s available and the Eagles need OG help.

Moffitt isn’t your normal free agent. Seattle drafted him in the 3rd round back in 2011. Moffitt started 9 games at RG as a rookie. He started 6 games in 2012. Then things got weird. He was traded to Denver in the summer of 2013. Moffitt played in a couple of games for Denver and then announced his retirement in November.

Moffitt said he wanted to stay healthy and was also focused on trying to be happy. That sounded good in the press, but might not have told the whole story. Moffitt had some off-field issues prior to retiring. Then a few months after retiring, Moffitt was arrested for assault and found to have multiple drugs in his possession. You have to wonder if there weren’t some issues that affected him while he was playing.

If we stop here, this sure doesn’t sound like a Chip Kelly kind of guy. Kelly is very big on culture and character. Kelly would not have been interested in the old Moffitt, but luckily he changed. You may wonder how I can say this. I’m trusting a good source.


Glazer is best known as an NFL insider. But he also runs an MMA gym in Los Angeles that helps football players and other athletes that are looking for a training edge. Lane Johnson spent time there in the offseason. Glazer works his guys brutally hard. He has developed a reputation for being good at what he does. He’s not going to vouch for someone casually. That would only make Glazer and his partners look bad.

Let’s not turn Moffitt into a saint, but if he has cleaned up his act and eliminated the problems, he could be a good addition for the Eagles.

In terms of football…Moffitt isn’t an ideal fit. He lacks the athletic ability that Kelly prefers. Moffitt is a tough, physical run blocker. He has played G and C. Here are some old college notes I have on him.

MOFFITT – Quick off the ball. Smart. Tough. Not athletic, but gets the job done. Phone booth guy. Defenders can get under his pads. Scrapper. Will do everything he can to sustain block. Very good pass blocker when he’s able to cleanly get his hands on the defender.

And here is my review of his Senior Bowl performance.

MOFFITT — Started at C. Got tossed aside by Jenkins on early pass play and that led to QB getting hit. Played some LG as well. Moved back to C in the 3rd Qtr. Made a terrific block of Neild on GL run. Got both hands on him cleanly and turned him inside, giving the RB a clear lane to the endzone. Smart block on WR screen. Started out wide. Sensed a defender just off his inside shoulder. Stopped and blocked that guy, a LB. Smart. Too many OL run out wide hoping for a target. Take one when you get the chance. That LB would have gotten to the WR if not for Moffitt’s block.

I have not had a chance to go back and review his NFL tape.

Allen Barbre is going to be the Eagles LG. Moffitt comes in to compete for the RG job. He’s got 15 career starts. Moffitt will turn 29 in October so he’s no spring chicken. It would be a great story if Moffitt were to win the job and get his career back on track.

The first order of business is for him to show he can beat out Matt Tobin, Andrew Gardner, Dennis Kelly and Kevin Graf. Those guys aren’t just going to lay down. If Moffitt ends up starting, he will have earned the job. For now, he’s probably just thrilled to be back in the league and getting a chance to show what he can do.


106 Comments on “Eagles to Sign John Moffitt”

  1. 1 Greg Tulino said at 12:51 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Well, we potentially have a bit more depth. I still think a veteran will be cut or that another team will have a surplus of Guards that we could trade for. ( Maybe a player for player trade). We shall see.

  2. 2 Henly125 said at 1:08 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    I’m a fan of this move because it adds an experienced player to a young group of guards who could use a competitive push when camp rolls around. Whether he earns a starting spot remains to be seen. I feel better about our depth on the O-line than I did yesterday that’s for sure.

  3. 3 SteveH said at 4:06 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Moffitt must have a growth mentality.

  4. 4 botto said at 12:26 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    growth mindset

  5. 5 Gary Barnes said at 5:04 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    As stated, strange pickup since he quit football and has had character issues which are both anti-Chip Kelly type player attributes based on what we know. The Glazer rec and reports of his dedication to his comeback are encouraging, but I’m not sure if this is more about additional depth or possible insight that Tobin et al. are not stepping up enough yet in Kelly’s mind. 29 yrs old? Yea, a curve ball by Kelly for sure.

  6. 6 MattE said at 8:58 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    ….meh competition at Guard is all, I’m not reading to much into it

  7. 7 Avery Greene said at 10:25 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    My feeling as well. You can NEVER have too much competition or talent at one spot IMO.

  8. 8 Tumtum said at 12:22 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    He is immediately our most experienced guard.

  9. 9 Jernst said at 11:26 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Right now, while practicing in shorts and no pads I doubt Chips seen enough of Tobin et al. to conclude they’re not stepping up. Everything is just mental right now since they can’t hit. Unless they’re all clueless and don’t know the plays (pretty difficult since we run a pretty straight forward zone blocking scheme) then this is just what it seems. The best available FA veteran G to provide depth to a team that is anticipating starting the guys that really should be depth players and filling out depth with UDFA rookies.

  10. 10 Tumtum said at 12:21 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Over coming drug addiction is one of the hardest things a person can do. Once completed the person has usually grown significantly as a person. For him to want to make a return to football, you can pretty safely assume he will have a burning desire for the game. Sounds exactly like a CK guy to me.

  11. 11 Ark87 said at 12:26 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    The Glazer-rave strangely reminded me of GEAGLE
    Wait Glazer-Eagle, talk of sources, ridiculous levels of energy


  12. 12 Greg Richards said at 6:36 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Don’t tell me the Jared Weaver era is going to be over when it just started!

  13. 13 MattE said at 8:57 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    The pitcher?

  14. 14 D3FB said at 6:55 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Like the signing.

    I was a big Moffitt fan when he came out. I was confused when he struggled to secure a starting job, but then the information about his drug issues came to light and it made a bit more sense.

    He’s not the most athletic but he’s a strong guy with a good frame. Should provide good depth. A year with the S&C coaches and he could improve the athleticism a bit.

    Tobin is still going to win the starting job, but I think Moffitt should be able to displace Gardener (thank god), and add some experience to the intriguing youth as a backup.

  15. 15 A_T_G said at 8:30 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    It sounds to me like you and Tommy both think Moffitt is here to compete at guard, rather than backup center. Am I reading that correctly?

  16. 16 D3FB said at 11:36 AM on June 26th, 2015:


  17. 17 Ben said at 1:47 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I was researching Moffit the moment we signed him, and man he sure sounds like a Chip Kelly player to me.
    His best attribute is his versatility in that he can play all three interior positions and he is a very smart and strong player.
    He has a nasty demeanor when he plays and plays to the whistle.
    If he has in fact cleaned up and has a clear mind and body, then we may have found a diamond in the rough.
    I see that he has been working with Glazer and got a full endorsement and there should be no reason to think that he can’t compete for a starting job.
    If he beats out Tobin in camp and preseason, that will boost our O line and give this young man a chance at redemption.
    Moffit was really good in College and was drafted in the third round, so I see him as more than possible good depth.
    Man how love the way Chip thinks and I will be rooting for him to be Herreman’s replacement this season.
    Go Eagles !!!

  18. 18 Ark87 said at 3:37 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I came away with the opposite impression when looking at a history. Never reached his potential and eventually dropped out of the league because his heart wasn’t in football is the most glaring. Then a few little things like his attributes aren’t exactly what you associate with out type of linemen.

    Now he may have had a change of heart, but that’s one of those things he still has to prove. I’m glad he’s getting a chance though.

  19. 19 Ark87 said at 8:57 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    I agree he’ll likely lose the competition. It’ll be tough to get back in to not only football shape, but Chip Kelly football shape, while learning the new system. He’s probably be in decent shape from training from Glazer but nothing is quite the same. Minicamp and OTA’s probably really could have helped this guy win a starting job.

  20. 20 D3FB said at 11:43 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    More than just the physical conditioning, I’m sure the bigger hurdle will be some of the muscle memory and technique.

  21. 21 Ark87 said at 12:22 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    what’s you feeling on how he fits in this system. Latter-day Herremans wasn’t overly athletic anymore, doesn’t seem like the guards have to be super athletic. Think Moffitt can get to the second level and catch a linebacker? Will he need to with us?

    Pff, all this talk of is he physically fit after a year off, does he fit, c’mon, you can’t spell “Moffitt” without “fit”, people!

  22. 22 George Leeds said at 5:49 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Seems like Chip may be cool with 3 of 5 OL being athletic. It helps that 2 of them are freaks, though Peters will need to be replaced in the next 1-3 years. I really think he wants 2 big, strong fellas next to Kelce who’s a bit light in the ass.

  23. 23 D3FB said at 8:05 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    I mean it’s hard to really get a good feel for exactly where his athleticism is because he’s never played in a system that truly emphasized it. (Wisconsin sure as shit doesn’t).

    I feel safe in saying that Moffit will be able to execute most blocks and that it would primarily be a handful of scoops, reaching second level against a LB who has an advantage due to alignment, or exterior pulling.

    Those are more something that a playcaller and the OL coach would have to be cognizant of if he was in the lineup. As depth, not a huge deal.

  24. 24 Tumtum said at 2:58 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    As far a the physical goes, I think training with Glazer probably did well for that. When Glazer raved about Lane Johnson earlier in the off-season he made it sound as though when Lane got him he was not on the same level as his regiment. Might not prove to be true, but I be the comes in at peak condition.

    In regard to his training with Glazer, I wouldn’t be surprised if Lane didn’t give Chip some insight on the guy before signing.

  25. 25 Ark87 said at 3:14 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    He’s likely in incredible shape, but they all say it doesn’t matter if you come out of special forces or what you do, nothing simulates football (the current roster of Eagles can’t do special forces stuff or compete in Marathons and what have you either). It’s all just different and the body need to adjust. And Chip Kelly football fit is a football fit he’s never been in.

  26. 26 MagsMama said at 8:02 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Special forces. ;~) ;~) ;~) . I see what you did there.

  27. 27 Tumtum said at 8:19 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I can buy that.

  28. 28 SteveH said at 9:52 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    I like everything you said, I’m just confused about the intriguing youth part. Isn’t he 29 already?

  29. 29 anon said at 10:34 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    don’t make me feel old 30 is the new 20

  30. 30 botto said at 12:24 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    40 is the new 19

  31. 31 D3FB said at 11:31 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    As in he has experience, which is nice to add to the intriguing youth at the position (Manhart, Graf, Boyko)

  32. 32 SteveH said at 1:10 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Ahhh gotcha, my English comprehension skills failed me.

  33. 33 Avery Greene said at 10:25 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    He has experience at C in college. Does this mean he’s in the running to backup Kelce as well?

  34. 34 D3FB said at 11:39 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    My guess is he’s primarily a guard. However he will likely get some looks at C because:

    1. You need a third OL capable of playing C on gameday (Mathis previously filled this role)
    2. In case of injury to Molk (he has a specific skillset, while people give him shit, you can do much worse at backup C)
    3. Cioccia probably isn’t ready and I don’t rate Josh Andrews or Vandervelde

  35. 35 Greg Richards said at 12:14 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I think he’s a lot more likely to replace Molk on the roster than Gardner. Gardner is at least serviceable. Molk is horrid.

  36. 36 D3FB said at 8:01 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Molk has a specific skillset. He’s a liability in pass pro but you don’t have to rip up your rungame to make it work with him.

  37. 37 ian_no_2 said at 12:23 PM on June 27th, 2015:

    2014 preseason: Gardner > Molk
    2014 regular season: Molk > Gardner, including his time at G

  38. 38 Dell24 said at 8:13 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Seems like he’s worth a shot. Perhaps the end is near for Vandervelde or Molk? Not a fan of either of them.

  39. 39 A_T_G said at 8:23 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    So what you are saying is this guy is trailblazing for Dion Jordan to follow?

  40. 40 Ark87 said at 8:36 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Maybe even Mariotta?

  41. 41 A_T_G said at 9:10 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    I can see the PFT headline already, “Mariota to consider drug use as a way back to Chip.”

  42. 42 Ark87 said at 9:43 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    I’d click that bait

  43. 43 A_T_G said at 1:07 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    PFT Headquarters
    Hyperbole, Confusion
    June 26, 2015

    It has come to light that the actions of Chip Kelly, college coach from Oregon experimenting with his unorthodox ideas in the city of Philadelphia, may be encouraging young players to ruin their careers, and quite possibly their lives, through drug use. While the syringe, pipe or rolled up $20 might not be in Chip’s hands, it may as well be.

    The dots were not difficult to connect. When the Dolphins moved ahead of Chip and his organization to draft Dion Jordan, this reporter immediately was concerned about how things would play out. It appears those concerns were well founded.

    While reports of outright collusion remain unconfirmed, the downward trajectory of Jordan’s Dolphins career bear all the marks of a player trying to force a release in a way that will allow him to then clear waivers.

    Combine this with the recent signing of a player who followed a similar path to gain his free agency, and who now is competing for a starting position that, conveniently, is vacant after the release of the possibly the best guard ever to play the game. Suddenly it appears that the choices made by Jordan were not those of a youth with too many temptations, but those of a desperate young man seeking a way back to his mentor, with or without guidance from that mentor.

    Turning this new illumination towards Mariota and his reluctance to sign a contract to play for another coach, and a disturbing trend is beginning to form. Direct confirmation will be slow in coming, particularly if these players truly hold a cult-like reverence for their former coach, but the dots are there. Chip’s influence could lead Mariota to choose drugs over his current options.

    Action is needed by Goodell in this matter. Young prospects destroying their careers and setting a troublesome example for America’s youth in their moth-like need to be close to Kelly’s flame looks bad for the league, and paying for substance abuse treatment is bad for the bottom line. And that might just spur Goodell to Chip away at this drug problem.

  44. 44 Ark87 said at 1:20 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Brilliant, that doesn’t even look like satire, that’s straight up authentic.

  45. 45 Avery Greene said at 1:33 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Which article?

  46. 46 Ben said at 1:51 PM on June 26th, 2015:


  47. 47 Avery Greene said at 1:58 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Geez, I think I need to go back to bed…

  48. 48 PerfectTrader777 said at 1:40 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    oh, interesting

  49. 49 MagsMama said at 8:07 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Are you sure you don’t work for philly.com or BGN? Nah, your writing style, use of subtlety and spelling are too good for those organizations!

  50. 50 EagleNebula said at 12:38 AM on June 27th, 2015:


  51. 51 Insomniac said at 1:06 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Sprinkle some cocaine into his gatorade every practice.

  52. 52 RobNE said at 8:31 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    how does the team rights work, can you just retire and then you are a free agent? that seems a little unfair. Just curious.

  53. 53 Dave said at 9:15 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Denver released him when he unretired and he passed through waivers unclaimed. He became a free agent free to sign with any team.

  54. 54 MattE said at 8:56 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Is it me or does Karl-Anthony Towns look like Brandon Graham?

  55. 55 A_T_G said at 9:17 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Well, given those two choices, KAT looks more like Graham than you do. Your head is more round, and more grey.

  56. 56 MagsMama said at 8:08 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    You’re right on top of it today. ;~)

  57. 57 A_T_G said at 9:19 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Even though he is 29, if Moffitt’s situation is similar to when we had my wife’s car re-tired, he should have a lot of tread left.

  58. 58 unhinged said at 9:28 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Russell Wilson seems to have a case of Mathisitis. It’s been reported that he has told Seahawks that he wants more $$ than Rodgers, and wants more $$$ than ANYBODY currently under contract. What a laugh. Bet Arians and Fisher are loving this as well as Rodgers.


  59. 59 SteveH said at 9:53 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    He’d probably have a much stronger case if the very last play of this season wasn’t him throwing a super bowl losing interception.

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 7:21 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Not to be contrarian, but the WR needed to have stuck his nose in there and gone and grabbed that ball. At the very least the play could have been an incomplete pass and I bet Jordan Matthews makes that catch.

  61. 61 Dominik said at 10:03 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    Take a look at the year Rodgers signed his contract. Look at the cap development since then. Then look at what the exclusive Franchise Tag would be (because you can bet more than a few teams would invest two 1st rounders to get their hands on Wilson – I wouldn’t rule out Chip, btw.).

    It is perfectly reasonable for Wilson to want more $$$ than anybody under contract. It is reasonable until Andrew Luck signs his new contract and that will take one more year because of the 5th year option.

    And I say all of this while I’m not even the biggest Wilson fan out there. He’s a Top 5-7 QB to me. Before I put him higher, I want to see him having his team on his back, like Brady, Luck, Rodgers and Rivers do and like Peyton did for years before falling off a cliff in December last year (we’ll see how much of that was his injury).

    OT: because we talked about Rodgers, I looked at his contract. Damn Ted Thompson is good. He has the best player in the game under contract until 2019. And there is no cap baloon in there, it’s steady 20m (I hope we don’t need to talk about Rodgers being worth that, he’s no Cam Newton or Matthew Stafford). No baloon, no restructure like Romo did it for years so the Cowboys can get under the cap. And on top of that, there is 0 dead money in 2018. He won’t cut Rodgers then, of course, but it’s good leverage for the Packers. I didn’t realize what a beauty Rodgers contract is. Guess you only get that if you extend early.


  62. 62 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:58 AM on June 26th, 2015:

    That is a great contract.

  63. 63 unhinged said at 1:11 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I agree with your point about Rodgers being worth every penny, andI also agree with your estimation of Thompson. It may be “perfectly reasonable” for Wilson to want more money than anybody else is getting, and it’s fine if he believes he’s worth it, and if you believe he’s worth it. I seriously doubt that John Schneider thinks he’s worth it, and I wouldn’t hazard a guess as to how many teams would cough up two firsts to snag a short, mobile QB who’s enjoyed great success on a team featuring the best RB and the best Defense. If Seattle breaks the bank to make RW happy, it only helps every team other than Seattle. There’s a ton of difference between the best QB and the 5th best QB, andI I’m not smart enough to know if Wilson is even in that class. I do feel pretty sure that he’s not worth to Seattle what he’s asking for.

  64. 64 Dominik said at 3:14 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Two things:

    (1) Look at Seattle pre Wilson. Carroll knows you need a QB to win.

    (2) There are teams waiting for a franchise QB for years. Teams are desperate. I’m sure RW would get pretty much anything he demands on the FA market. And altough it is a steep price, I’m also sure there would be more than one team investing 2 1sts. You know RW is a very good young QB in the NFL – there’s a huge knowlegde advantage compared to the draft.

  65. 65 unhinged said at 5:45 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    “Before I put him higher, I want to see him having his team on his back, like Brady, Luck, Rodgers and Rivers do and like Peyton did for years before falling off a cliff in December…”

    I do think Wilson is very good, and I think many teams would love to have him, but your cited stipulation would represent the perspective of quite a few GM’s I would think. He’s going to get paid, no doubt, but his egoistic approach – though it may be simply a bargaining ploy, could lead some to question his priorities. I’m not so sure that CK would overlook that.

  66. 66 Dominik said at 7:51 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Why is Wilson acting egoistic? Has he missed OTAs or minicamp?

    And don’t forget, other than a former Eagles Guard or his teammate Bennett, he hasn’t made any real money yet – at a position where players like Tannehill or Newton make 18-20m per year. He wants top money, like every SB winner does, but he’s not harming his team. Imo, that’s far from an egoistic approach.

  67. 67 unhinged said at 8:57 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    When any player publicly suggests that he is asking to be paid more than any player under contract, the implication is that he thinks he’s better than every other player. It doesn’t hurt his team or anybody else, but it reflects back on him negatively. In America it may be de rigueur to tout yourself and negotiate fiercely, and he won’t be asked to justify how he negotiated. but it calls into question his sense of himself. I admire his leadership on the field, and We all know that Seattle has exploited a rule to get a very good QB dirt cheap, and they are going to have to pay him, but does RW appreciate how fortunate he was to land in Seattle?

  68. 68 Dominik said at 11:48 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    When any player publicly suggests that he is asking to be paid more
    than any player under contract, the implication is that he thinks he’s
    better than every other player.

    Only if you look at it very simplistic. Cam Newton earns a better avg than Aaron Rodgers. Does he think he’s a better player? I hope not. The cap is rising and rising, agents, players and teams know that. And I do think RW would be the best player to sign a contract in the last two offseasons if he would sign one today. By a pretty big margin, actually.

    and We all know that Seattle has exploited a rule to get a very good QB dirt cheap

    Exploiding a rule? I wouldn’t call it that, at all. That sounds like cheating while all they did was good drafting.

    but does RW appreciate how fortunate he was to land in Seattle?

    Of course he’s benefitting from Carrolls drafting, his Defense and Beastmode. But: they had Carroll and Beastmode before they had RW and they went 7-9. I do think they will find common ground, because they both know what they have in each other. But if Seattle would really think they can sign Wilson for Andy Dalton money, they would be out of their mind (which is why I think they don’t think that way, it’s just a negotiation tactic).

  69. 69 unhinged said at 7:18 PM on June 27th, 2015:

    Dominik, you’ve made some excellent points in this back and forth, and when I took a moment to review everything from you and me, the thing that stands out as most wrong was my cavalier comparison of Wilson to Mathis. The former has definitely been underpaid, and btw, by “exploited” i was not suggesting any malfeasance. Seattle was merely taking advantage of the rules, but there was nothing preventing them from paying him more than his rookie contract once they won the SB. Anyway, bro, nice job.

  70. 70 Dominik said at 7:41 PM on June 27th, 2015:

    Wow. Very classy to react that way. Thank you for your kind words.

  71. 71 MagsMama said at 8:15 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Russell Wilson is worth his weight in gold on the West Coast. He is the face of the franchise here, no matter how much the national press focuses on Sherman or Lynch. He is articulate, smart, gives credit to his teammates (or lets them know when they screw up) and is a 100% team leader. Those teammates, by the way, consider him to be the next great QB. Nobody on the team works harder. Don’t forget, he came in as a rookie and immediately started becoming a pro.

  72. 72 Dave said at 1:22 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    He has averaged 207 yds/game passing and 39 yds/game rushing over the past three years. He has passed for over 300 yards in a game 5 times in three years, including playoffs.

    For comparison, Sanchez had 4 300-yard games while only playing 9 games last year. Foles also had 4 300-yards games while only playing in 8 games last year. If you count the Houston game that Nick got injured, he and Sanchez combined for over 300 yards in that game too.

    So Russell had 5 300-yard games in 57 total games and Nick/Sanchez had a combined 9 300-yard games in 16 games last year alone. I think Wilson is a great game manager but I couldn’t even imagine what kind of offense Seattle would have with Rodgers at the helm and how underwhelming Green Bay would be with Wilson. JMHO, but he isn’t worth it.

  73. 73 Dominik said at 3:21 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Mate, you point out the reasons why I’m not putting him in the top 3 or top 4. He doesn’t have to carry his team on his back due to the Defense and Lynch and normally I would like to see that before I pay big $$$ for a QB.

    But at the same time: he won the SB and went to another one, which they lost not because of him but because of a bad play call. He is very efficient. He’s probably the best QB in the league after the snap. He’s a real talent that other teams would die for to have on their roster.

    Oh, and don’t forget: he’s a GREAT leader. Especially if you look at his young age. You want that from your QB and I’m pretty sure RWs personality is as close to a dream QB personality for Chip as they come.

  74. 74 Ken Jomo said at 8:33 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    RW is so overrated it makes me sick

  75. 75 wee2424 said at 2:07 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Thank you. RW is not the type of QB Chip wants at QB. He has the extra with his legs, but again that is EXTRA. He doesn’t have the throwing skills Chip wants at QB. It’s mind boggling that people still think Chip Wil want a QB because he has good running skills. He has stated, and it is obvious that the throwing skills come first.

    That team has been carried by the D and the running game. RW has done enough to help a very good TEAM win a SB and come very close to another. Put him on a team with an average D and good running game and he would not have a SB. He is not an elite QB nor does he have the skills to be an elite QB. Bradford if healthy is a better QB then him.

  76. 76 Dominik said at 8:01 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    What makes you think that Wilson “[doesn’t has] the skills to be an elite QB”? He is very efficient. He does what he has to do very good. Seattle doesn’t need anything more from him.

    I’m not saying he will be as good as Rodgers, Luck or Brady, but there is no way you can be sure he can’t be. As it stands right now, he did everything the Seahawks wanted him to do. Time will tell if he can do more if they need more from him. I wouldn’t bet against that kid.

  77. 77 wee2424 said at 9:31 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Because I don’t think he can carry a team like the elite QBs.

    Efficient and doing what you have to do is not really that elite.

  78. 78 Dominik said at 11:51 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Efficient and doing what you have to do is not really that elite

    It’s not as easy as it sounds. Otherwise the Bills would be like a real football team with their Defense.

    Plus, again: Wilson is great, he’s elite at what he’s doing. He doesn’t has to do too much, but I don’t know why he shouldn’t be able to do more if that’s what they need from him. Smart QBs get better with experience and Wilson can make all the throws.

  79. 79 Media Mike said at 8:06 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    I don’t agree with you on Wilson’s throwing skills, I think they’re excellent. His running is extremely secondary to his intellect and skill as a passer. Wilson, unlike Johnny Street Ball, RGKnee, Kaepertrash, and Scam Newton doesn’t have to resort to low IQ runs and/or stupid forced passes to be successful.

    In my mind Wilson = Steve Young.

  80. 80 Dave said at 12:53 PM on June 27th, 2015:

    Rewatch the Green Bay playoff game. He was terrible. The Seahawks won despite him being terrible. Against Philly, he was again highly erratic and basically acted like Donovan running around looking for the wide open receiver throwing with little anticipation. I think he is a very good qb but he can’t hold a candle to Young and his HOF career. I think that its only a matter of time until he is injured.

  81. 81 MagsMama said at 8:09 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    It has been reported that Chip will still find a way to get Mariota, too.

  82. 82 Media Mike said at 7:18 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    A few points in Wilson’s favor.

    – He’s been to the Superbowl twice, won once, and likely to go to a 3rd this year.
    – He’s going to sign a deal two (or 3) years after Rodgers with the cap $20 or $30 million higher than when Rodgers signed.
    – When a sucky bum loser like Scam Newton gets $20 mil / year, that pushes guys yet to sign like Wilson and Luck a bit further up the board.
    – If Wilson were to hit the market as an unrestricted free agent, he’d get a deal in the $23 mil / year range without any problem whatsoever. I’d unload Bradford and Celek right now to get $18 million of that for 2015 and figure out the rest (Riley Cooper’s appx $5 million) moving forward. I think I’d rather have Wilson at an average of $23 million a year rather than Bradford / Celek / Cooper.

  83. 83 unhinged said at 7:53 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Like your first 3 points, but your last one is where I draw the line. You may be right, but I think it becomes untenable for any franchise to scrape the bottom of the barrel for one very good player, and hold together the core of a team that is accomplished at a bunch of positions. I think Seattle’s success has been more of a story about savvy team-building than about RW’s ability to pull the Hawks through the rough patches. I like RW, and I’m sure he’s going to find somebody to pay him what he wants, but let’s review the wisdom of such a rationale a year from now.

  84. 84 Media Mike said at 8:04 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    That is the $64,000 question when it comes to any team with a “franchise” level QB; can you pay him that top dollar and still have a good enough team to win a title? To date, I think Tom Brady last year is the only guy to be pulling in near top dollar at QB and win a title. Maybe Petyon Manning with the Colts before that. If you look at the list, it is interesting

    2014 Brady – Top dollar
    2013 Wilson – chump change deal
    2012 Flacco – tagged or last year of rookie deal
    2011 Eli – not a franchise QB, sucks at life, lucky pass completion on sucky blind loser Patrick Chung at safety
    2010 – Rodgers – pre big money
    2009 – Brees – pre big money
    2008 – Big Ben – Rookie contract money
    2007 Eli – see above comment about how this piece of shit loser completes lucky passes to win games. F Eli.
    2006- Peyton Manning – top dollar at that point.
    2005 – Big Ben – rookie contract money
    2004 – Brady – certainly not top of the market yet
    2003- Brady – certainly not top of the market yet
    2002 – Brad Johnson – self explanatory
    2001 – Brady – 100% still on garbage money
    2000 – Trent Dilfer – VERY self explanatory

    So other than 2 times in 15 years, teams have not won a title with a franchise QB being paid top dollar.

  85. 85 unhinged said at 8:39 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    By way of thanking you for compiling that list, I’d like to put “the $64,000 question” reference in an auto-index mode that ties it to inflation. Can a question of paying north of $110M across 5 years really be labeled a “$64,000 question”?
    On a serious note, the inverse of your list is probably just as daunting. How many teams invested heavily in an arm that took them nowhere? Rookie contracts help to mitigate such mistakes, but Bradford came before the rate structure, Cutler, Stafford, Romo, Dalton, not saying these guys are all overpaid, but the market doesn’t care about your team. I do think Seattle will hold onto Wilson, but it’s going to get interesting very soon.

  86. 86 Dominik said at 12:51 PM on June 26th, 2015:


    Now, this won’t happen, imo, but one can dream, right? One good year from Sam, Franchise Tag, trade and then – boom – a great young QB who could be close to Rodgers or Luck in Chips system.

    But again, won’t happen imo. And even if he would ever become available there would be teams who would want him so badly, they would pay more than Chip.

  87. 87 TypicalDouche said at 1:21 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I think Wilson leaving the Hawks is a definite possibility based on his contract demands. As for your hypothetical trade that is definitely very unrealistic. Highly doubtful Sam signs an extension this year and if he lights it up he will demand a hefty contract as well that I doubt the Hawks would give out.

  88. 88 A_T_G said at 2:01 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I agree that it is unrealistic, but I did not read Dominik’s suggestion as trading Bradford to Seattle. I read it as trading him for picks, to offset giving up 2 first-rounders to pay the franchise tag cost.

  89. 89 Dominik said at 3:15 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I didn’t meant a direct trade. Normally you would say “there is no way you trade a QB away and trade for another QB”, but could you really rule something like that out with Chip?

  90. 90 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:31 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    I think it is possible he could be off the Hawks. They may believe they can win without him, or, perhaps simply can’t afford him no matter how they evaluate him? I think given his abilities and Chip’s system, we should try to do anything we can to get him. He’d be worth the $ here.

  91. 91 Dominik said at 3:30 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Chip won 20 games with a combination of Vick/Foles/Barkley/Sanchez. That’s why he traded for Sam, because he thinks he can be a real QB.

    If Bradford plays as good as Chip hopes he will, he will demand a contract in the ballpark of RW (I assume at least 18, maybe 20+m). It wouldn’t be THAT much of a difference to Wilson and I think Wilson could be close to perfect for Chip.

    A very smart QB who’s good at deep throws, who can terrorize you with his scrambling and is great out of play action? And, btw., a great leader? Giving a QB like that to Chip would be cheating. Not quite as absurd as giving him Rodgers or Luck, but cheating.

    But all that being said: I’m very sure this is not going to happen. The two sides will meet each other. Wilson will take less avg., Seattle will guar. most if not the whole contract. Seattle knows they need Wilson and Wilsons knows there aren’t many places where he can win like he can in Seattle (if winning is important, we could be in a good second place for him, though – which teams without a true Franchise QB has a better roster and a better coach?).

  92. 92 wee2424 said at 1:57 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    I don’t think Wilson has the throwing attributes Chip wants in a QB.

  93. 93 ACViking said at 4:00 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Assume Bradford approximates Foles v.2013 numbers over a 16-game schedule (which also assumes his good health).


    – How do other teams project Bradford in their own system?

    – How do other teams value Bradford?

  94. 94 Dominik said at 7:42 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    And do other teams (or the Eagles, for that matter) think that one healthy season with good numbers is enough to hand out the big big money, even though one more major injury could end his career?

    Important questions.

  95. 95 Ark87 said at 3:11 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    You know nothing John Mo

  96. 96 botto said at 3:13 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    does he mo’fit then mathis mo’fitted?

  97. 97 MagsMama said at 8:19 PM on June 26th, 2015:

    Don’t know but he has Franco’s nose.


  98. 98 Media Mike said at 6:59 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    “The first order of business is for him to show he can beat out Matt Tobin, Andrew Gardner, Dennis Kelly and Kevin Graf. Those guys aren’t just going to lay down.”

    No, but I’m afraid those 4 guys on our roster who are “competing” to be our starting guard are going to be put down on their rear ends by DTs way too often.

  99. 99 Media Mike said at 7:33 AM on June 27th, 2015:


    I didn’t realize being a mindless drone who roots for the Giants, Cowboys, or Steelers was the business of the FAA?

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    I love the comment section:

    “Pats are flying drones in 31 other cities.”

  101. 101 Mark F said at 7:52 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    Camp body.

  102. 102 Media Mike said at 8:07 AM on June 27th, 2015:

    I hope not. I REALLY hate our “starting” options at guard right now.

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