Moffitt Officially Signed

Posted: June 30th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 177 Comments »

The Eagles added OG John Moffitt to the roster on Monday. He signed a minimum deal, but apparently there is an interesting angle to this.

So Moffitt wants to be in Philly. He must see the RG spot as wide open and possibly his best shot at becoming a starter in 2015.

I would also think his lifestyle changes would fit well with how the Eagles handle players. All the nutrition stuff will be good for him. Being in a locker room with high character guys puts him in a positive environment. And Moffitt is bound to be rusty so the best thing for him is lots of practice reps. No team gets as many practice reps as the Eagles.

Seems like a pretty smart move by Moffitt.

But let’s be careful before we turn him into something he’s not.

If this signing happened in early March, it wouldn’t have been much of a story. Because this is happening at a time when nothing is going on, it seems huge. Moffitt might be able to come in and win a starting job, but he also might struggle and get cut.

Moffitt is not the answer at RG. He’s part of the puzzle. Maybe he turns out to be the right piece. Just don’t think of him as the guy who will definitely win the job.

One thing I am curious about is his size. Moffitt was 6-4, 319 in the past. After being out of football and then going through Jay Glazer’s intense workouts, I would imagine he’s closer to 305 pounds, maybe less. If he’s around 300 pounds, that actually helps him in this offense. The Eagles aren’t a team that needs straight-ahead maulers. They run a zone scheme and Chip Kelly likes his OL to be able to move. Getting rid of some excess weight could help Moffitt to better fit this scheme.

I wrote a piece on his background last week.

This is a good move by the Eagles. They add a player with upside, but have no real investment in him. If Moffitt works out, great. If he fails, you just move on. I hope for the sake of Moffitt and the Eagles that he does work out.

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If you want to watch Moffitt from his days at Wisconsin, he is the LG (#74) in this video.

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To make room for Moffitt, the Eagles let go of Cole Manhart.

NO!!!!

I actually thought Manhart had the ability to challenge for a spot on the practice squad or even roster. Solid athlete with size and skill. Outstanding small school player who had a good showing in one pre-draft all-star game.

The Jared Wheeler era continues.

The John Moffitt era begins.

And alas, Cole Manhart is no more (as an Eagle…I’m assuming they didn’t kill him.).

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177 Comments on “Moffitt Officially Signed”

  1. 1 RichEagle said at 8:40 AM on June 30th, 2015:

    I hope Moffitt finds the structure and support needed to keep on the right track. Any addiction is terrible and hard to beat. Living with the nightmares of the past is hard. Sounds like Glazer has a lot of confidence in Moffitt to the continue on with his life. Hopefully he will find others in the locker room as examples of what he can have.

  2. 2 GEAGLE said at 10:05 AM on June 30th, 2015:

    Mofitt is just a guy, fortunately for him the players who he needs to beat to earn a job, MOLK and Vandervelde, are also “just a guy”

    I think it’s way way way too soon to talk about him competing for a starting spot, but when our Star center has durability issues, and his backup MOLK. ISNT a legit NFL player, If Moffitt gets close to his former levels of play, I can’t be too surprised to see Mofitt make this team. He not only has NFL size, strength that Molk lacks, but he also has Guard/Center versatility, where as MOLK would never be able to play Guard.
    ..
    Even better for Mofitt is that beating out Vandervelde is also a potential path to a roster spot.. Unlike MOLK, Vandervelde does bring the Guard/Center versatility, but Julian had been an injury mess the last two years but we don’t talk about it because he isn’t very good.Vandervelde was injured and had surgery last offseason, and so far this offseason, he is up there with Wolff, Bradford as guys who have sat out of the most practices with Injuries… So not only is he not very good, but we have durability,concerns about him too
    ..
    Its foolish to ust assume he makes our roster, but his competitipn hasn’t exactly set the bar very high… Think it would be a big boost to this OL if Mofitt can prove to get back to his old level of play replacing Vandervelde, while one of our,Undrafted OL beats out MOLK for his roster spot
    ..
    We are a long ways away from Moffitt even competing for a starting spot this year. but i am curious to see if he can improve our depth since back up Center literally worries me more then our starting Guard spots..KELCE and Molk are both smaller centers, be nice to add some serious girth, size, power, talent to our center position.. I would expect that Moffitt has to beat out Vandervelde and Molk, before he can even start competing against Tobin, Gardner, Graff and Dennis,for a starting spot…I’m hoping he can manage to improve our depth. if he can bring more to our Roster even better… But my main concern is Moffitt proving to be head and shoulders above Molk and Vandervelde. Anything else would be a bonus as far as I’m concerned.
    ..
    If you are going to put as much emphasis we have into building a culture, then im thrilled to see chip starting to trust that culture, and use that culture to be comfortable enough bringing in a talented player that may be able to help us, who has some character questions, and trust that our Locker room can handle it, set an example for what is expected out of Moffitt and hold him accountable while helping him understand what will always be expected out of him in this locker room
    ..
    Curious to see how high on the depth chart can Mofftt climb from now Til our first preseason game.. In the preseason our #2 OL was one of the very best last year. Think it would be a very encouraging sign if he can play his way into 2nd team OL snaps by the first or second preseason game..

  3. 3 Ben said at 1:57 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Moffit actually was a starter just two seasons ago for Seattle, but as mentioned numerous times, his addictions may have played a bigger role in his decision to leave the game, but only he knows the truth.

    Fast forward to today, and Moffit seems to have restructured his life and has removed the negative influences that has held him back from becoming a good player.
    According to Jay Glazer, we should expect to be getting player who has learned the hard way, but after lots of work and determination, he has kicked his bad habits and has replaced them with hard work and dedication to his craft.
    I am not saying that he has suddenly become a world beater but to write him off as depth might be a little harsh since none of us has actually seen him even go through a workout much less a practice session.
    If he has grown into a responsible man, and has trained hard getting back to where he was, I see no reason that he couldn’t work his way into beating out Tobin, Gardener or Kelly, as they are not what I would call top notch talent either.
    Chip has said, the best players will play, so let’s try to reserve our judgment until we see what team he is running with in training camp at the very least.
    I am rooting for him to win a spot on the 53, then it’s up to Chip where he goes from there.

  4. 4 Avery Greene said at 6:12 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    If he just went through Glazer’s class, I’d say that athletically he’s fine. I forget who our resident addictions expert / social worker is, but my thinking is that 2 years away from the game and now he’s back, I feel he’s been training for at least a year. Six months rehab/detox, Six months adjusting, Nine months training, and 3 months with Glazer. For him, IMO, it would come down to his technique and how sharp he is with it. The Eagles have him listed at 319, so that may be his weight now.

    Also found Glazer’s reply to Banner today, so the timing of this post is perfect.

    You don't know his journey back Joe. ZERO risk as he has completely taken his life back from his (cont) http://t.co/J3KQaRtxRX— Jay Glazer (@JayGlazer) June 30, 2015

  5. 5 Kelce's Beard said at 11:29 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    recovery is a lifelong journey. 2 years is great, sure (if he stayed sober), but more important is the environment he puts himself in. ESP’s tweet about choosing Philly over (possibly) more lucrative options says a lot, to me.

  6. 6 GEAGLE said at 8:42 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    Glazier is one of the few people in sports media who takes his credibility very serious… When Jay Glazier goes to bat for you, I NEVER question it…
    ..
    With Moffitt working out with Glazier this past year, I would assume Moffitt and Lane Johnson crossed paths at some point in glaziers gym… wonder how familiar Lane is with him

  7. 7 Avery Greene said at 8:54 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    Interesting point, and it doesn’t escape me. I’m sure they did cross paths and talk a bit, and that might come out later.

  8. 8 Javi Echie said at 1:13 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Off topic, but everyone really needs to read this excellent article on Fletcher Cox. Really hope he gets that long term extension in Philly, dude deserves every good accolade that comes his way.

    http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/06/30/showing-up-inside-fletcher-coxs-journey/

  9. 9 Insomniac said at 1:44 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Shout out to mama Cox and the people who helped Fletcher be the person who he is now. He could have easily been another Djax but he won’t.

  10. 10 Javi Echie said at 2:09 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Absolutely agree.

  11. 11 Ben said at 2:03 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    I have read several articles about Cox, but you only need to watch last years tape to know how good he has become.
    This mountain of a man commands double teams on every snap as opponents know who they must account for, if they are to expect any type of positive results.
    I think this is the season he rises up the rankings to be the best 3-4 lineman in the NFL, as many analysts already have him ranked highly.
    Not since the days of Reggie can I recall a D line player with more promise than Cox, and that is the biggest compliment he could receive.

  12. 12 Javi Echie said at 2:07 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    I would actually argue that Cox is already a top 3 3-4 d-lineman in the NFL. Clearly Watt is hands down the best but after him I would say its a clear toss up between Cox and Sheldon Richardson with Mo Wilkerson and Calais Campbell rounding out the top 5. For as young as Cox is his ceiling is still truly through the roof and he is the starting point for everything this defense does.

  13. 13 Insomniac said at 5:28 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    3-4 DEs don’t really get any love when it comes to awards unless you’re JJ Watt.

  14. 14 Sean Stott said at 5:34 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Not to mention Watt plays in a one-gap defense.

  15. 15 Ben said at 10:42 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    You got that right Jav, IMO, at this moment Cox is 2nd best right behind JJ Watt.
    JJ just happens to be what I call a once in a lifetime kind of player.
    Cox is capable of being just as good as Watt, and I think he’s going to be a perennial pro bowler for the next 5 years.
    I read somewhere but can’t remember what site, but I recall that Cox led all 3-4 D-lineman in the NFL last season with 61 tackles, or something like that.
    The second player was like 40 something, yet since he only got 4 sacks, he got snubbed form the Pro bowl.

    It’s all good though, he is such a great guy when you hear him talk and he’s got a great attitude.
    I think he’s going to put up some serious numbers as he’s still getting better.
    Cox has not reached his ceiling IMO, so this could be a very fun year to be an Eagles fan.

  16. 16 xeynon said at 6:36 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Cox is great but “best 3-4 lineman in the NFL”? C’mon man. J.J. Watt had one of the best seasons for a 3-4 lineman in NFL history last year.

  17. 17 GEAGLE said at 8:29 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    No worries,,.not going anywhere
    ..
    Tho CSN continues to run their mouth about Kendricks being traded in August which I would find appauling

  18. 18 botto said at 4:25 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    interesting on nfl.com they have a list of the 6 players that will disappoint this year.
    2 of them are Foles and Maclin. surprise.
    they had highlights of maclin and made me miss him in this offense, he is solid. I’m happy with who we have but he was good, great hands etc…
    he will be lost in KC I think.
    it was interest that our 2 big offensive guys are being projected to disappoint next year on their new teams.
    of course, Maxwell made the list too, but they do say he is still an upgrade anyway. obviously

  19. 19 Insomniac said at 5:26 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Maclin can live in QB purgatory for the rest of his career. He wanted to be here? My ass.

  20. 20 xeynon said at 6:37 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Pretty much all the available evidence suggests that Alex Smith is a better NFL quarterback than Sam Bradford.

  21. 21 botto said at 6:49 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    next year when we have more available evidence, it will be quite assuredly the opposite.

  22. 22 xeynon said at 9:42 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Let us hope so. I’ve got nothing but blind faith in Chip Kelly’s system and ability to evaluate talent to go on however, and I need more than that.

  23. 23 Insomniac said at 7:52 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    That’s very true.

  24. 24 Ben said at 1:41 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    The evidence you speak of is kind of skewed, in that Alex Smith had a better supporting cast around him at both SF and KC.
    I feel that if Bradford had played for either one of those teams, he would have easily beat out Smith and we would be talking about Smith as a good back up, rather than a competent game managing QB.

  25. 25 xeynon said at 11:23 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    You may be right that Bradford actually is the franchise talent he was believed to be when he was drafted and has been held back by his supporting cast, but the fact that pedestrian backups like Shaun Hill and Austin Davis were able to match or in some cases better his production with that same supporting cast leads me to doubt it. We’ll see this season, but I will remain skeptical until he proves it on the field.

    As for Alex Smith, I disagree with your contention that he’s always benefited from excellent supporting casts. This past season he had the first receiver corps in NFL history not to record a single receiving TD over the course of an entire season. His receivers in San Francisco were pretty nondescript outside of Vernon Davis. Yes, he’s always played with good running backs, but it’s not like he’s spent his career throwing to Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson.

  26. 26 FairOaks said at 7:38 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    He did I’m sure, but he was also offered a huge contract by his former coach, and to play in his home state. (And it just so happened to come on a weekend where we had traded McCoy, rumors that we would trade Foles, so he may not have known what team he was coming back to.) I can’t blame him, really. We will find out if the problem was more Alex Smith or the receivers, I guess.

  27. 27 Insomniac said at 7:55 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Oh no he didn’t. He would still be here if he did but he’s not. Maclin made a business decision that contradicts his phony attitude of wanting to be an Eagle. I hope he never breaks 1k yards just like he did with Andy.

  28. 28 FairOaks said at 8:02 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Wanting to be an Eagle doesn’t mean there aren’t other teams he’d also like to play for. It’s not like he took a lesser offer from someone else just to get out. He had two really attractive offers, and I’m sure really liked both, and chose one. I can’t blame a guy for choosing to play closer to family. It does suck for us, and pretty much forced us to pick Agholor, but it did allow us to sign Murray.

  29. 29 FairOaks said at 7:39 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Well, by that measure, Maclin is an upgrade anyways… their WRs had exactly zero TDs last year. I’d be stunned if he had zero TDs this year. While he may disappoint relative to his contract $$$, he’s still a large upgrade. Probably much like Maxwell for us.

  30. 30 botto said at 8:38 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    i agree

  31. 31 Mark F said at 8:14 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    That stat still amazes me…

  32. 32 GEAGLE said at 8:28 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    Fantasy experts are down on shady too… Poor bills OL, defenders will stack the box all day and force their crap QBs to throw..

  33. 33 eagleyankfan said at 9:36 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    Fantasy experts said not to draft Marshawn Lynch last season because he’s on the decline. They all LOVED C. Patterson too. I’m certainly not passing on Shady unless I have a top 5 pick. Later picks, I might take a chance on Shady n Spiller.
    ….
    Never take a wr under AR. Mac’s skills has nothing to do with AR play calling. He doesn’t believer in a number 1 wr anyway. Mac, at best, number 3 wr on a fantasy team.

  34. 34 Ben said at 11:02 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I think Mac get his numbers because he’s their best receiver from day 1. He’s got an adequate enough QB to get to1K easy IMO.
    Now DJax is the same where he will get you 1K easy as well.
    IMO neither one of them unfortunately will get into the playoffs anytime soon on their current teams.

    I think Shady is the one who may be in trouble.
    The Bills and their new HC doesn’t sound promising from an offensive standpoint and I highly doubt he will receive the level of blocking, he once enjoyed here in Philly.
    I think he has problems early and will find a way to blame Chip.

    Now Foles is a guy I just can’t see having success playing for a Rams team that allowed Bradford to be near crippled twice in back to back seasons….Eeeeesh.

    But in Fole’s defense, in his college days he played on an Arizona team with a terrible offensive line that had him scrambling on just about every other down and he had a lot of success, believe it or not.

    I know one thing, we will all be watching him because he was a player
    you just had to like, no matter how goofy he seemed at times.
    Just a great guy and a good QB as well.

  35. 35 xeynon said at 6:33 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    They can always use “Cole Manhart” as the name of the hero in the next Bruce Willis action movie.

    Good with signing Moffitt. Once upon a time he was highly regarded and this team is so lacking in interior OL depth that it can only help to have another guy with his natural talent. Maybe he can be the next Evan Mathis.

  36. 36 Ben said at 11:32 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    I concur my good sir.
    If everything we are hearing about this player is true.
    How he hit rock bottom and rehabilitated himself, then devoted himself to be a better person.
    After dealing with his addiction and having a clear mind, he probably realized that only a select few ever sniff a practice squad, let alone start games for an NFL Football team.
    Instead of living in regret, he got back to it, put in tons of hard work and rebuilt himself into the man who comes to our team today.
    Glazer clearly trusts the fact that Moffit has changed and if you know anything about MMA trainers they rarely come out and endorse anyone that has a checkered past, so Moffit had to really impress him beyond expectations.
    If my speculative analysis is correct, we may have a better Moffit coming to the Eagles than any of us know.

  37. 37 unhinged said at 6:58 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Moffitt like few have seen him:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6MWW13QWA&feature=youtu.be

  38. 38 Kelce's Beard said at 11:36 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    elevated consciousness, eh? no wonder he came here. #growthmindset

  39. 39 Media Mike said at 9:15 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Congrat the the US Women’s national team for their win over Germany. Hopefully we can see an England tomorrow over f-face Japan in order to get a quality final vs. England.

  40. 40 Avery Greene said at 8:55 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    No, lets get revenge on the Japanese for a few years ago when they beat us.

  41. 41 Mac said at 9:36 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    Revenge incoming!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVJTGLL2SnI

  42. 42 Insomniac said at 4:16 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Let me guess you were on reddit too yesterday?

  43. 43 Mac said at 2:28 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    Nope, I’m just a guy who likes giant robot warfare. MWO is entertainment for me, and the real thing looks even better.

  44. 44 Ark87 said at 9:17 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Gotta throw some praise at the USA women’s soccer team, raising the bar to beat #1 ranked Germany. It was a hell of an effort and pretty inspiring.

    Oh crap this is an Eagle’s board, so the tie in: Zach Ertz’s girlfriend is having a phenomenal tournament

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/julie-johnston-zach-ertz-womens-world-cup-2015/

  45. 45 Media Mike said at 9:17 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    She’s been great. Now we need to root in an England win tomorrow.

  46. 46 Ark87 said at 9:18 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    You don’t want to have a rematch vs Japan? It sucked losing the cup to them in PK’s 4 years ago

  47. 47 Media Mike said at 9:18 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    F Japan. Nobody wants to see that bunch of f-faces win any games at all.

  48. 48 Ark87 said at 9:26 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    I wish I knew more about women’s world cup outside of the US squad to really have an opinion. The only opinion I have outside of the USA (typical American) is that the Colombian team is dirty as crap.

    Also apologies if I offended anyone, I sometimes forget the number of fantastic Brittish, German, and Canadian posters we have here…and Dutch, Anders (god I hope I got that right?)

  49. 49 Media Mike said at 9:27 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    Ha ha. I’m just anti any team that isn’t US or European.

  50. 50 Ankerstjernen said at 4:06 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    Danish. 🙂

  51. 51 MattE said at 8:33 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    #1 Player is Marta (Brazil)…other than that I got the same problem

  52. 52 A_T_G said at 1:14 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    You gotta think it is extra painful losing to America, with the knowledge that the average American doesn’t realize that adults play soccer or that we have a team.

  53. 53 Ark87 said at 8:13 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    So it’s always interesting seeing the names of the players and seeing the mix of backgrounds on the American team vs the other national teams. Poor Germany, they had one ethnic player with a name that wasn’t 1000% German, Å aÅ¡ić. How exotic, how do you say that!? “Sausage”, you’ve got to be f-ing with me, Germany just can’t catch a break.

  54. 54 MattE said at 8:25 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    I heard an interesting analysis of women’s soccer however, what country has advanced women the most in the world? What country is willing to fund womens sports and have a pro league for them? Womens college soccer, on top of that what other sport can normal sized women play at a premier level?

    Your average American also reads at a 2nd grade level.

  55. 55 b3nz0z said at 8:37 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    my brother in law posted “america wins!” and i was like who did what now?

  56. 56 MattE said at 8:22 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    she got that yellow card though in the box, thankfully Sasic shanked the PK.

  57. 57 Ark87 said at 8:26 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    yeah and it probably should have been a red card. She had been playing very well right up to that point. Wasn’t Germany’s night though. Missed the PK, then the US got a PK that shouldn’t have been. But the US largely outplayed the Germans in this game, so no apologies.

  58. 58 MattE said at 8:32 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    100% true, Germany had no answer for our ball possession plus our defense just swarmed to the ball Germans couldn’t move through the middle without 3 defenders on them, Jru Holliday’s (former 76er) wife plays midfield too lol

  59. 59 Kelce's Beard said at 11:25 PM on June 30th, 2015:

    wow, he only got a “just a guy” from Spuds?!?! must be awful. Everyone else is potential hall-of-famer to him

  60. 60 Ark87 said at 12:01 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    I always wonder if it’s intended as a put down or a favor, get some of the pressure off. For a guy with a story and a lot of work to do to get back into the swing of football like Moffitt, it’d probably be favorable to fly under the radar. Sanchez did the same thing with Tebow.

  61. 61 Dominik said at 1:58 PM on July 2nd, 2015:

    My thoughts, too. The one player Spuds “hates” on, after telling us how great Nate Allen, Bradley Fletcher, or Roc Carmichael are, is someone I have at least a little hope in to bring solid depth, maybe being a starter.

  62. 62 Mike Marchlik said at 11:41 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    The Eagles are scum. They get rid of DJAX and then smear him. Then they bring in a druggie and re-up a blatant racist. Chip Kelly has dropped a huge turd on this organization. I won’t respect the Eagles until Chipper is kicked out. Hopefully it is at the end of this season because I really do love the Eagles. But Chip Kelly is not the answer. They are going to go 4-12

  63. 63 the DONALD said at 11:45 AM on July 1st, 2015:

    did you like them w Vick? I did, just curious how far your morals spread?

  64. 64 Mike Marchlik said at 12:02 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Vick went to prison and lost 100 million. He paid for his crimes. SO yes I liked Vick as an Eagle. THere was no punishment for Riley Cooper screaming “I will k|ll ALL of you F@kcing N|GG3RS!!!!” He actually got rewarded. That is wrong.

  65. 65 botto said at 12:12 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    come on he never said kill, don’t exaggerate..

  66. 66 the DONALD said at 12:22 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    i dont think, and i cant guarantee this, but i dont think he got REWARDED for saying those words.. he did get a contract but i dont think chip said “hey Riley nice use of those horrible words at the concert heres a few millis for ya”… i would imagine he got a new contract based on his blocking, possibly catching skills but i cant think that was the major reason, and he prob LOVES (all caps) playing football. which seems to be a prerequisite for being on the team.. When you say you LOVE the eagles you gotta love them fully not just when you want too… and chip might not be the answer but two 10 win years in a row coming off your favorite numbers of 4-12, to me, is doing a pretty good job.. and he didnt even have all the players he wanted… and like BOTTO said.. eagles didnt smear him NJ.com guys wrote that article pretty sure.. not Chip or the birds.. but hey 4-12 could happen, why not.. but i highly doubt it.. let go of the hate its not good for your health.

    but i dont disagree that he should have been punished more than going to FL to hang with his folks for a few days.

  67. 67 Mike Marchlik said at 12:30 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    IfIf theythey gogo 4-12chipper bebe firedfired? should chipper

  68. 68 TypicalDouche said at 12:34 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Is that English? If you plan on going on rants that for the most part have no validity and are based are nonsense self opinions, you should at least try to sound sensible about things. You sir are totally off based on mostly everything you’re saying. Oh and if you wont watch or respect the team until Chip is gone like you say then guess what friend no one on the team cares and I am sure not too many people here will give a rats ass about you.

  69. 69 Avery Greene said at 12:47 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Not that the Phillies organization cares, but I’ve stopped watching the team until Amaro, Gillick, and Montgomery are gone.

  70. 70 RobNE said at 2:33 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    hey me too. But this is all happening.

  71. 71 Avery Greene said at 2:45 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Hopefully. I think I’ll be glad when they are all gone. It wasn’t until last year that they decided sabermetrics was worth the time, after they repeatedly said it was over-rated. But smaller markets like the Cardinals, Athletics, and Rays all could compete using it.

    Even worse, Amaro admitted that the scouts didn’t know what they looking at past the middle of the 1st round. Utter failure on so many levels in that organization.

  72. 72 Ark87 said at 12:56 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    it looks like a New York dialect of Trollese. Just nod and smile.

  73. 73 Avery Greene said at 12:46 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Nono. ChipperChipper isis notnot goinggoing 4-124-12.

  74. 74 Avery Greene said at 12:45 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Really, he’s the highest paid WR in the league? $4 mill a year is not that much, and our best WRs are still on rookie deals. He’s here because he’s a team player. One mistake shouldn’t cost someone their career, or there would be a lot of out of work athletes.

  75. 75 MattE said at 12:58 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    so $100 million is your number for animal cruelty, racism is $200 million?

  76. 76 MattE said at 12:59 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    pretty sure racism has been around longer than you finding articles on the internets

  77. 77 EagleNebula said at 1:18 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    shouldn’t you blame Vick for convincing the rest of the team to accept Riley making it possible for him to return to the team?

  78. 78 botto said at 12:14 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    the eagles, and chip Kelly never smeared Djax, a newspaper wrote a story about him…
    4-12? because of not keeping djax 2 years ago?
    nah I doubt it

  79. 79 Mike Marchlik said at 2:02 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    “sources close to Jackson and within the Eagles’ organization say, it originally was Jackson’s off-field behavior that concerned the front office.”

    They didn’t plant that story? Get real. It was a smear. And the story comes out the day they cut him. Are you that naive?

  80. 80 botto said at 3:54 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    no they didn’t plant it, what are you a conspiracy theorists and a giants fan?
    geez that’s tough

  81. 81 Avery Greene said at 4:31 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    But it wasn’t his antics behind closed doors that got him cut?

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/04/04/sources-desean-jackson-was-a-problem-for-kelly-eagles-in-locker-room/

  82. 82 Avery Greene said at 12:31 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Ummm no.
    You can’t blame the Eagles for ESP’s article, he has tons of bad ones.
    No proof Cooper is racist from using the n-word drunk.
    CK took a 4-12 team and had two 10 win seasons.

    Go home Mike, you’re drunk.

  83. 83 botto said at 3:56 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I hate to disagree with you but using the N word at all is fairly good proof that you use it whenever you want which in turn means you have something in your mind that equates with racism.
    a drunk tongue speaks a sober mind right?

  84. 84 Avery Greene said at 4:05 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I don’t buy that necessarily. Some habits die hard, and I don’t know how he was brought up. Paula Deen used that word at one point in her life, but there’s nothing about her that would lead me to believe that she is. Granted she’s over 60 and she’s from the Deep South, and anyone in that group who says they’ve never used it I’d think they were lying.

    People make mistakes, and I don’t think that he is. If it happens again, yeah maybe. Or if I see him at a KKK rally or voting for Rand Paul – then yeah maybe. But using that word in a fit of rage while drunk happens to black people as well.

  85. 85 botto said at 4:22 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    right, but if he was raised to freely use the word, I would venture he was raised to be at the very least prejudiced, and at the worst racist.
    if you don’t respect people enough to not use the N word what does that really say about you anyway?
    especially when you use it in a violent context as he did.
    he is from the south as well.

  86. 86 Avery Greene said at 4:28 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I don’t disagree totally, but everyone carries with them prejudices. How that affects them as they go throughout life, or more specifically, how they deal with others is the key.

    I’m not saying what he did was right, but I’m willing to forgive him and let him have a 2nd chance.

    That said, if he messes up again I’d cut him without hesitation.

  87. 87 botto said at 6:11 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    of course we carry prejudices, but why is it so crazy to think no one should be using the N word?

  88. 88 Avery Greene said at 6:29 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    We agree. Either everyone gets to say it or no one. I don’t really buy into the “black people have a right to use it” when chastising other races for the same thing. It sends a mixed/wrong message.

    Where we differ I think is that I’m not willing to call him a racist after that incident. I’m not convinced he didn’t feel super crappy after the incident or that he doesn’t regret what he did. I’m willing to chalk it up as a drunk mistake, and hope he learned from it.

  89. 89 botto said at 6:31 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    ok I can go with that.
    my one question for you would be, do you believe it was just this one time drunk incident?
    first time for him?

  90. 90 Avery Greene said at 6:40 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Tough question. He played with black players his whole life, and after the incident a lot of black players on the team were surprised.

    I’d probably lean and say it might not have been his first time, and without talking to him personally I have no idea if my gut is right or wrong about his racism.

    Vick came to his defense quickly, and if anyone knows about whether someone doesn’t like them – it’s him. So, I’m kind of basing all of this on that and his playing time with black players. I also think if there were other instances or known associations with such people – it would have come out by now on the Internets. I’m sure people went digging into his past (and present) looking to find something to confirm their suspicions about being racist.

  91. 91 botto said at 6:53 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    yeah Vick was pretty impressive with his leadership that year.
    im sure you are right about people looking for more information on Coopers past uses of slurs and they would have been found I guess.
    can you imagine saying something like that into a video recorder though without a thought?
    pretty wild.
    he might not be racist, just really stupid.
    that’s also possible…
    could be he uses the word without a thought to what it implies because of how he was raised, and actually has no racist feelings at all.
    and now he knows

  92. 92 Avery Greene said at 7:11 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Generally I don’t look for someone’s proverbial head on a pike when they make a mistake, but I am human and there are times where my own issues sometimes make me disregard the “everyone deserves a 2nd chance.”

    For example, I did not care about Scalise’s (Republican Congressman) 2nd chance or his convenient memory lapse that an organization he spoke to had ties to white supremacists (and David Duke). I wanted him out of office, but thankfully I don’t live in the Deep South.

  93. 93 unhinged said at 4:52 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    If I drew precise inferences from your inferences, I could say you are a rigid thinking dogmatist who pigeon-holes every incident in your consciousness to suit your moral pre-conceptions. I don’t know what is in the man’s heart, and neither do you. It may be wise to be wary, but I think it is only foolish to claim certainty about anybody based solely on what they were heard to say. For the record, I am NOT calling you a rigid thinking dogmatist, because I find that too big a leap to make.

  94. 94 botto said at 6:06 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I would say you may be right. I probably am rigid thinking when it comes to racial slurs and what I can infer from them..
    doesn’t seem like much of a stretch to me

  95. 95 unhinged said at 8:34 PM on July 2nd, 2015:

    I won’t ever defend a racial slur, but words – all of them – are mere symbols that we all weigh with our own biases, and my biggest concern about making steep judgements from words is the ease with which anyone can mis-speak. “Coprolalia” is a term for involuntary obscene utterances that is associated with Tourette’s and obsessive-compulsive disorder. Who’s to say that Cooper didn’t have a neurological spasm?
    I don’t know anybody who has not wanted to retract a statement they made at some point, and I would assume that you have found yourself in that situation . I don’t want to beat this horse to death, but if you are going to react strongly to Cooper’s use of the N word, I don’t think it is fair to ignore his apology and expressed regret as meaningless, as if the former is indicative of his true self, and the latter was obligatory window dressing.

  96. 96 MagsBestPlaceonEarth said at 10:31 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I wasn’t raised to use the F-bomb, yet I have been known to let it drop out of my mouth on occasion.

  97. 97 MattE said at 12:57 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    …..meanwhile in the real world.

  98. 98 MattE said at 12:58 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    GEAGLE please just destroy this guy

  99. 99 GEAGLE said at 4:09 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Please…. This donkey is beneath me… Someone take care of my “light work”… 😉

  100. 100 botto said at 4:19 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    that made me laugh

  101. 101 MattE said at 1:02 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    change your name to JACCpot, cause then we will take you as seriously as DeSean rapping.

  102. 102 Ben said at 1:57 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    You sound like a cross between a jet/giants fan with a twinge of dalass mixed all together. Spewing your hatred and disgust on our beloved Iggles Blitz website.
    That is a violation of man code 107.35US Article 15.
    You sir are formally advised to hand in your man card and begin your 5 year suspension for conduct unbecoming of a real Eagles fan.
    Chip has been nothing but a breath of fresh air since he came here to Philly and to even contemplate him leaving, let alone insinuate that this years Eagles only win four games is both irresponsible and unwarranted.
    You say you “LOVE” the Eagles and call them scum in the same paragraph which tells us all your schizophrenic and severely mentally impaired as well.
    The Eagles don’t need fans like you who jump on and off the bandwagon anyway so why even come here with your nonsensical drivel?

  103. 103 Mike Marchlik said at 2:03 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I didnt even read your stupid comment because it was so fukcing long.

  104. 104 MattE said at 2:27 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    you liked the Andrew Bynum signing didn’t you lol?

  105. 105 Avery Greene said at 2:42 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    LOL – that’s awesome.

  106. 106 MattE said at 2:54 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    you and Floyd Mayweather have something in common…. not the biggest readers

  107. 107 MattE said at 2:30 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    ….and one more time

  108. 108 RobNE said at 2:31 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I think you misspelled philly.com in your browser.

  109. 109 Avery Greene said at 12:59 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Rich Gosselin thinks the Eagles are “vastly overrated.”

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20150630-gosselin-the-eagles-are-vastly-overrated.ece

  110. 110 Javi Echie said at 1:09 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I read that earlier. Gosselin is such a joke, he is Jerruh’s puppy dog so we should expect nothing less. Wait none of the eagles receivers are on Terrence Williams level? As soon as I read that I almost vomited on my computer screen.

  111. 111 EagleNebula said at 1:33 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    That response reads like a fanboy. First, I don’t buy the whole “need to stretch the field” bit to help the running back. We heard that narrative all last year, yet when the OL got healthy the run game improved despite not have a “Dez like” receiver. Second, discussing Bradford’s health while ignoring Romo’s bionic back is absurd. What is the likelihood Romo can last another 16?

  112. 112 RobNE said at 2:30 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    is that the guy from Kate plus 8?

  113. 113 Insomniac said at 4:14 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Who? Oh wait..Dallasnews. That’s almost as relevant as the Cowgirls fans in a bar in some obscure town in North Dakota.

  114. 114 MagsBestPlaceonEarth said at 10:27 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Hey. My grandmother lived in N. Dakota for a few years!

  115. 115 MattE said at 1:17 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    ….just for sh*ts and giggs: Mariota and TENN are still in contract talks due to offset language AND….. surfing lol?

  116. 116 Insomniac said at 4:13 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Beware of sharks?

  117. 117 Mike Marchlik said at 1:58 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Remember week 16 ? Eagles 24 Reskins 27 and the Eagles kicked out of the playoffs. I was the only one in the entire bar cheering. Go DJAX! Had they not cut DJAX they would have been in the playoffs. What a loser this Chipper Kelly is.

  118. 118 Avery Greene said at 2:05 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    http://bloggingme.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/internet-troll-meme.jpg

  119. 119 MattE said at 2:26 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    is this Bruce Arians lol?

  120. 120 MattE said at 2:30 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    …and again

  121. 121 Avery Greene said at 2:43 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    This guy is a troll. I went thru his previous comments and it’s all the same.

  122. 122 botto said at 3:47 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    you like a player over the team. that’s all that means guy.

  123. 123 Javi Echie said at 3:52 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Hahaha calling Chip a loser for releasing Jackson yet you claim to be an Eagles fan cheering on the LOLskins. Dude just stop talking you are an absolute joke, your post are beyond terrible, you make no valid arguments. Oh and you seem like a guy that actually enjoys Eliot Shor-Parks’ articles. Enough said ya jackass.

  124. 124 GEAGLE said at 4:07 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    #Boom! Way to drop the SMACKDOWN on a skins fans candy ass

  125. 125 Javi Echie said at 4:11 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Its hard getting a read on whether this guy is really just that stupid or he’s just trolling. Either way you cant say you’re an Eagles fan then openly admit to cheering on a division rival because you have some terrible obsession with a disgruntled former employee.

  126. 126 Mike Marchlik said at 2:06 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    NOTE: This story has been updated from the original version that was published shortly before the Eagles released DeSean Jackson.

    Your telling me this didn’t come from the Eagles? yeah right.

  127. 127 MattE said at 2:29 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Ha!

  128. 128 A_T_G said at 2:46 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Discus can be so weird. It took 15 months for this comment to show up so I could read it?!

  129. 129 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 3:04 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    You’re absolutely right.

    I remember reading the original version of that story that was there prior to DeSean’s release.

    It was a heart-warming tale of a young California boy made good who achieved his boyhood dream of playing in the NFL but never forgot his humble beginnings. Not content with single-handedly bringing the city of Philadelphia it’s first Super Bowl and bringing peace to the Middle East, he was committed to finding a cure for cancer of the puppy, donating untold millions as well as his “once in a generation scientific mind” to the cause.

    The story went on to recount a time when, on finding a Giants fan, battered and bruised, by the side of the road DeSean did not pass by as others had. He was moved with compassion, came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him in his own car, and brought him to a hotel , and took care of him. When he departed, he took out two thousand dollars, and gave it to the hotelier and said to him: “Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return, cause I’m paid and my money straight. West Coast first, but I been ablaze. Yeah, that young boy on the go, that money stupid, that’s the overflow.”

    Then the Eagles got their hands on the story and it all went to hell 🙁

  130. 130 A_T_G said at 3:11 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    When I see a Giants fan I usually want to see them bound and covered in oil.

  131. 131 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 3:13 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I’m certainly in favour, but this is why we are who we are and DeSean is who he is.

  132. 132 HawaiianEagle said at 3:44 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    The only Giant fan I’m cordial to is my wife – and that is only 363 days a year (unless we meet in the POs…)

  133. 133 GEAGLE said at 4:06 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    I have a lifelong fantasy of tar and feathering a Giants fan!

  134. 134 Avery Greene said at 3:11 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    You have won the Internets today sir!

  135. 135 Mike Marchlik said at 3:35 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    People actually read comments this long? That’s crazy.

  136. 136 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 3:50 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    inorite?

    Word-reading is hard. Will use drawing things + emojis 4 u in future k?

    ฅ ̳͒•ˑ̫• ̳͒ฅ♡

  137. 137 MattE said at 4:00 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Here, so you don’t have to read

  138. 138 MagsBestPlaceonEarth said at 10:40 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Farther down on this page, you stated that the Eagles released DiccSean, then smeared him. Now you say the Eagles smeared him, then released him. So, which is it?
    Here are 2 very good reasons why DiccSean was released.
    1. He was offered for trade. NOBODY wanted him.
    2. 2014 – 6 TDs
    2012 – 3 TDs
    2011 – 4 TDs
    2010 – 6 TDs
    2008 – 2 TDs
    These are not the statistics of an elite WR. J Matt had more TDs last year and HE was a rookie.

  139. 139 Mike Marchlik said at 9:44 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    He is a better receiver than anyone on the team this year and last year. Reason enough to not cut him. Andy Reid could deal with DJAX’s antics, why couldn’t Chip Kelly?

  140. 140 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:45 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    OT: The Spurs offloaded Tiago Splitter, apparently to make room for LaMarcus Aldridge. This isn’t good news. Advanced stats show that TS is a better player than LA. What’s more, LA is extremely expensive. He also specializes in long two’s, a shot smart teams have been eliminating for years. Nor does he rebound, defend, or shoot (see his TS%, it’s below NBA average) well.

    How does this relate to the Eagles? Only in the sense that here is a case where the general league consensus differs from advanced stats. Most people think LA is a star whose FA decisions can change the landscape of the league. Advanced stats show him to be a barely above-average player, an inefficient volume shooter like Iverson or Carmelo.

    Our version of this phenomenon is Bradford, who flashed in terms of league recognition when he showed up decently in conventional stats (for a year or two), but performed horribly in advanced stats. Bradford made his name the same way other volume guys do, by racking up numbers in an inefficient manner that does not improve the chance of winning. Whether anyone else in the league valued him as much as Foles or a 1st round pick, this disagrees wildly with advanced stats.

    I am disappointed, because usually the Spurs’ decisions are in lockstep with advanced stats. The main divergence from this was when they signed Richard Jefferson, who despite his big name, had poor numbers. It turned out to be a dumpster fire. It will be interesting to see if somehow Chip can get good performance out of such unpromising materials. But the test will be in efficiency-based stats, not volume stats.

  141. 141 MattE said at 3:01 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    …..then again the Spurs and Eagles are not exactly “Status Quo” thinkers in terms of team building in their respective leagues, Bradford has a lot to prove, but I think his ceiling is higher than Foles via just eye test (the exact opposite of advanced metrics lol). Also San Antonio vs. Portland in regards to the organizations could change how a player flourishes/fails.

  142. 142 Michael Winter Cho said at 4:59 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    It’s true that both the Spurs and the Kelly Eagles have been able to coax more than the usual performance out of their players. (even based on numbers) It will be a major coup if Chip can get Bradford to play at an above-average level, and I hope he can pull it off!

  143. 143 botto said at 4:17 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    2001 Allen Iverson is all we need to remember when speaking of him..
    the man was an absolute warrior for the sixers. carried that team on his back through the season and playoffs.
    inefficient shooter he may be. but his toughness quotient and effort were unparalleled…

  144. 144 Javi Echie said at 4:38 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Agreed friend. In no way does advanced analytics and statistics tell the entire story for any player. Also in no realm or universe would anyone take Splitter over Aldridge.

  145. 145 Michael Winter Cho said at 4:58 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    The Spurs don’t need Aldridge. The dude has a sweet J, but the league has moved on from long 2s for a very good reason. Shots at the rim or beyond the 3pt line are better, and he isn’t good at those. Championship teams do not depend on volume shooters throwing up low% shots. Splitter is better at defense and rebounding than LA and also has a higher TS%. Splitter has had injury problems and the Spurs might be selling high–and perhaps they aren’t going after LA. They usually make the right decisions, after all.

    Iverson was a wonderful athlete and a great story, but seriously overrated as a player. And for the same reasons LA is overrated. Too many shots, too few go in.

  146. 146 botto said at 5:04 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Iverson’s career shooting % is just below Mike’s.
    .425 v .497.
    and barely below kobe
    .425 v .451
    shooters shoot

  147. 147 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:27 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    No offense, but you just showed the spread between great shooting and stone cold mediocre shooting. What call “just below” is a yawning gulf, the difference between HOF and JAG. Iverson also turned it over at a high% and didn’t board and had an extremely high usage rate, taking shots away from people who were better at putting it in the hoop. One of the most overrated players of all time, as is Kobe, of course.

  148. 148 botto said at 4:59 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    lets not forget this:

  149. 149 Javi Echie said at 5:12 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Iverson dressing how ballers should be dress, not like a Russell Westbrook who looks like a borderline clown half the time with his off court attire.

  150. 150 botto said at 5:16 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    yeah, this was from the 2001 payoffs when the eagles sent him a jersey because he was playing out of his head

  151. 151 Javi Echie said at 5:29 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Love when teams/players send jerseys to a player that plays for or has something to do with said city. I remember Kobe doing the same thing sending Vick an autographed jersey saying “Be Epic” before the playoff loss to the Packers.

  152. 152 botto said at 6:04 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    too bad he read it, ” be a pick” and ended the game with one

  153. 153 Mitchell said at 8:04 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    The eye test begs to differ. I’ve seen Tiago play and at several times I wondered how he even made it to the NBA. At least Bradford shows he has an ability to play batting injury, which will always be his biggest concerns.

  154. 154 MagsBestPlaceonEarth said at 10:23 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    …other volume guys do, by racking up numbers….does not improve the chance of winning..(the last game of the year).. You mean like Peyton?

  155. 155 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:18 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    I don’t catch your meaning. “Volume guy” implies someone who has low efficiency but lots of reps, thus building a large total. For example, a running back who gets 3 YPC but runs it 33 times gets 100 yards. An NBA player who gets 25 ppg while shooting under 45%.

    Peyton Manning’s YPA is 7.7, 14th all time, thus efficient. Around the same level as Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Drew Brees. He does this while still maintaining a large workload. He’s one of the best of all time.

    Compare Sam Bradford’s 6.3 YPA, ranking him 168th, putting him in the company of David Carr, Derek Anderson, and Kordell Stewart.

    It’s good for a player to chuck it, because they get paid on volume-based stats. It’s not good for a team to have a volume player, because they are usually taking away possessions from people who are better than them.

  156. 156 Insomniac said at 12:23 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    Lets not forget that Peyton was the heart and soul of the Colts for more than a decade. So he had to throw a ton.

  157. 157 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:40 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    Peyton throwing a lot was a win for the Colts. Because he was good.

  158. 158 Insomniac said at 1:36 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    Yup. Without him they went 0-16 and got Luck(y). Peyton might be a volume passer but it had to be justified. He had to score and he was the best option to do it on that team for many many years.

  159. 159 SteveH said at 4:38 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    From a journalistic perspective, the story ESP wrote about Desean was pretty sketchy from a credible sources perspective. He was asserting some pretty incendiary things without a lot to back them up, and I can’t help but notice that no one knew who the hell ESP was before that article, but it seems to have helped his career tremendously as he is a regular on the Eagles beat writer circuit now.

    Maybe cynical of me, but just my take on it, as a J-school student.

  160. 160 ACViking said at 4:49 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    So who do you think sourced the article for him?

    In answering that question — from a J-school student’s perspective — do you consider any of the following:

    1. Motive to place the story;

    2. Means to accumulate the information reported;

    3. Access to information in the hands of 3rd parties?

  161. 161 b3nz0z said at 4:52 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    so you agree that the information was accumulated and not fabricated?

  162. 162 ACViking said at 4:54 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Haven’t seen Jackson threaten a libel suit.

    Even when hatchet jobs in papers like the National Inquirer are true, lots of the subjects at least threaten to sue to APPEAR not to have done what’s been written . . . before quietly going bout their business.

    So I’m assuming the information — given DJax is a public figure — was not published “recklessly” or with “malice.”

  163. 163 b3nz0z said at 4:58 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    so i mean really, all we know is that a reporter made a name for himself from a report nobody disputes the facts of. do the eagles have a motive? sure, but so did the now-well-known reporter. and really, if the things said in the paper were true (and nobody’s really disputed them compellingly), then all someone did was tell the truth. if it was the eagles (and not the reporter who made a career out of it), then all they did was stop covering for a former player.

  164. 164 ACViking said at 5:09 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    “then all someone did was tell the truth”

    Not necessarily. Just not demonstrably false.

    Also, not covering for a player anymore seems quite a bit different from going out of your way to cast him in a terrible light.

    But that’s just me.

  165. 165 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 5:25 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    From what I remember at the time, there were a few writers who implied there was nothing in the story that wasn’t relatively well known to a lot of people.

    It’s just that when you actually get down to it there’s really nothing to the article. DeSean hangs around with, or used to hang around with, or is vaguely associated with, some bad folks.

    It was sensationalist nonsense + conjecture. Why would it be written at the time it was? Because any other time it would have been news for 24 hours then we’d all have shrugged and gone about our business.

    Why would the police or anyone else want to leak the information? Because people like to feel like they’re in the know. That they’ve got the scoop. That they know something you don’t know. Knowledge is power, but if nobody knows you have that knowledge, you can’t show off how powerful you are.

  166. 166 SteveH said at 5:33 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    This makes sense. Really the only person who could possibly expect to benefit from this story (unless the Eagles org are really really stupid and thought smearing Desean about gang ties was actually a good idea) was ESP (which is why I view his motives so cynically). If it was common knowledge as has been suggested then it would be fairly easy for him to do a little connect the dots and get the story out while the iron was still hot so speak.

  167. 167 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 5:40 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    The thing that absolutely seals it not being a hatchet job by the Eagles for me is that the story explicitly states they knew about his “connection to a killer” the year before they signed him to a five year contract.

    If they were in the business of leaking stuff, why not do it then to drive down the value of a player they want to retain.

    I can totally buy the idea some players or other staff were happy to say they didn’t like DeSean when asked, but that’s a million miles away from the Eagles leaking the story.

  168. 168 SteveH said at 5:56 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Also, why leak something that would make themselves look bad? If the Eagles “absolutely knew his connection to a killer” before they signed him, that information might make Desean look bad, but it makes themselves look bad at the same time.

    That’s really the gut feeling I’ve had about this story the whole time, it just feels like all the pieces don’t add up to this being truly an Eagles hatchet job.

  169. 169 SteveH said at 5:01 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Here’s the thing, ESP wasn’t some established beat writer who’s been around forever like Les Bowen, so it seems very unlikely to me that there were many high quality sources within the Eagles organization who were willing to speak to him, and especially about something as potentially incendiary as that.

    That is related to his ability to access any information that a 3rd party might have; I don’t know who would trust him with that information.

    His motive would be fairly obvious: as a newcomer to the scene he needed to make a splash. His article on DSJ has obviously succeeded, I still see his NJ.com story linked to and referenced on national sports websites.

    What I think is possible may have happened is he may have gotten someone to admit that they had off the field concerns about Desean, and then ESP might have taken it upon himself to make the connection between “off the field concerns” and Desean’s alleged gang ties. Even Desean’s record label name, Jaccpot, unfortunately lends superficial credibility to the idea that gang ties might be involved.

    For ESP, just saying off the field concerns is a story, but toss in alleged gang connections and that suddenly becomes a salacious story that everyone is going to want to read about.

    So, having witnessed a fair bit of ethically dubious behavior on the part of students and faculty in college thus far, the cynic in me wonders if ESP decided to embellish what he was told in order to generate a juicier story in order to get himself on the map. A risky gambit, but if it is what he did then it has ended up paying off very well for him.

    On the other hand, if I was in the Eagles organization and I was trying to smear Desean (not sure why that would be necessary but you never know what people are thinking), then someone unknown and without much history with the team would make a lot of sense to use a vehicle for the smear job. Someone more established with the team would likely be more skeptical of the story, and have less reason to publish something that could backfire on them in a big way.

    So, in the absence of further evidence, there’s no real conclusions to come to as far as I’m concerned. But I think those are the two most likely scenarios.

  170. 170 ACViking said at 5:12 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Sorry . . . regarding the 3 categories —

    My question of “motive” concerns the SOURCE, not the writer.

    Same with the other two.

  171. 171 SteveH said at 5:28 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Sorry, operating off very little sleep, reading comprehension is affected.

    Assuming that the information was leaked from someone within the organization, motive to me appears to obviously be to try and soften public sentiment towards what was going to be an unpopular move. Provide some kind of justification for what was going on.

    It is possible that someone with a vendetta against Desean was the source, either within or outside the organization, but unless ESP is a pretty savvy operator as a newcomer to the scene I don’t know how he would have been able to make those connections. I think if Desean thought this was someone from outside of the organization trying to smear him, he would not continue to insist that this was an Eagles smear job.

    If this was indeed a smear job from within the Eagles org, then it was obviously one of the most misguided attempts to do so that I can recall and it’s hard for me to believe that the organization as a whole would sign off on it, unless they are waaaaay more clueless and out of touch with how people would react to this information than I imagine. Possible, but it’s hard for me to believe that Lurie, Roseman, etc. could possibly think this was a smart strategy.

    Possible, but I guess as an Eagles fan I don’t want to think they could be that stupid.

    As for accumulating the information, I think provided everything he reported wasn’t just completely fabricated, then he was either handed the information in its entirety by someone or he was doing some connecting of the dots on his own, with a little assistance perhaps from an outside source. If everything he reported is completely accurate it seems really unlikely to me that he put it together himself and slapped an “according to sources” sticker on it in an attempt at increased credibility.

    That’s just my take on it. Maybe there was someone lower in the organization with some loose lips (they sink ships after all) but I just don’t see how anyone would speak to ESP about anything sensitive, he had no credibility within the organization.

  172. 172 Avery Greene said at 6:35 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    He was around way before that article, he even has interviews with Leonard Weaver.

    http://phillystandup.blogspot.com/

    BGN introduced him back in 2012.

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/6/26/3119968/new-bgn-reporter-eliot-shorr-parks

    He’s been around awhile.

  173. 173 SteveH said at 8:24 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Well I’d never heard of him. And that story certainly seems to have made his star, but being around for a while would explain greater access to sources.

  174. 174 Avery Greene said at 9:36 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Yeah, just pointing that out – but pretty much you’re right that it was incendiary.

  175. 175 MagsBestPlaceonEarth said at 10:47 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    There 52,000 fans at the womens’ US game in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago. Probably pack in a few more for the final.

  176. 176 MagsBestPlaceonEarth said at 10:48 PM on July 1st, 2015:

    Here is a bit of local interest news.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/2087108/9-year-old-new-jersey-boy-catches-270-kg-sturgeon-during-b-c-fishing-trip/

  177. 177 SteveH said at 11:45 AM on July 2nd, 2015:

    Well shit, that’s only about 268 KG bigger than anything I’ve ever caught.