Front Office Update
Posted: January 1st, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 502 Comments »I wrote yesterday about Jeff Lurie’s new model for the front office, with Howie Roseman, Tom Donahoe and the new coach all sharing power. Now it turns out there could be a change to that.
Following up on what @mortreport said re: Eagles, league source says the team will be looking to hire a head of personnel at some point.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) December 31, 2015
#Eagles have Tom Donahoe running personnel dept. for now. Source says they'll hire a personnel chief to run day-to-day operations soon.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 31, 2015
This news isn’t just coming from outsiders.
A league source has told Comcast SportsNet’s Derrick Gunn that Donahoe is basically in an interim role and Lurie will be hiring someone to run the day-to-day operations of the personnel department for the long-term.
As much as I like Donahoe because he’s an old school scout, he is a bit long in the tooth for a key personnel job. There is a real grind with that, especially from January to May. A guy in his upper 60’s isn’t ideal for that job.
The Eagles are not going to hire a GM.
They apparently are going to hire someone to be the head of the personnel department. Donahoe is in that role for now. The scouts who are out in the field need someone to report to. They can’t wait for a new hire. Donahoe has been part of the Eagles organization since 2012 so he knows the scouts and has a relationship with Roseman. That makes him a good temp hire.
We don’t have any names linked to the opening so far. Scott Fitterer from Seattle is the guy I wanted last year, but he ended up getting a promotion there and staying put. I doubt he would leave, but I’d love to see the Eagles at least call him and feel out the situation.
I’ll put together a list of names that might interest the Eagles.
It is possible the Eagles will hire the coach first and then add the personnel executive. Based on on the schemes and style of play the coach wants, there may be a personnel executive who is an ideal fit. Or the Eagles could already have a set of people targeted that they think would fit in well with the new power structure.
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One possible target is Kevin Kelly, currently the Chargers Director of College Scouting. He doesn’t have an ties to the Eagles, but has an extensive football background and he’s worked for multiple teams. That organization is in even more of a state of flux than the Eagles so he might be willing to move on.
If you need some good reading for today, check out this great story of Kelly’s friendship with Walter Payton. Sounds like Payton was a terrific guy. Really cool story.
I don’t know much about Kelly so I can’t endorse him now, but stumbled across that story and thought it was too good not to share.
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I’ve started doing my research on coaching candidates.
Those of you who like Hue Jackson will probably enjoy this video.
That has a very Philly feel to it.
I’m fascinated by Adam Gase. His background is very interesting, but the big selling point is the fact that Tim Tebow, Peyton Manning and Jay Cutler all had their best seasons playing for him.
Chip Kelly loved his scheme and his ideas. Gase can make things work with just about any player or scheme you want. That is key in today’s NFL.
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Are you following the situation in Indy? Things are really bad there, with all kinds of drama between coach Chuck Pagano and GM Ryan Grigson. Normally I wouldn’t care all that because the Colts aren’t an NFC team or a franchise I follow closely.
I do wonder if the Eagles could have interest in Pagano as a coaching candidate or Grigson for the personnel gig.
The Eagles may have interest in hiring someone with NFL coaching experience. Pagano is 29-18 in the last 3 years (2012 is when he had cancer and missed 12 games). He has had postseason success. Just as importantly, Pagano is seen as a players coach. He has strong relationships with his guys.
Pagano worked under John Harbaugh in Baltimore, coaching the DBs from 2008-2010 and then running the defense in 2011 (3rd in yards and points in NFL). His background with DBs could be of special interest to the Eagles, who have had a leaky secondary for a while now.
Grigson worked for the Eagles before becoming the GM in Indy. Grigson has had mixed results in Indy. It would be easy to look at his moves there and say “No thank you” to him. Keep in mind that just because a guy didn’t do well running the show doesn’t mean he can’t be a valuable part of a personnel department. Evaluating talent and making moves are two different things.
The other factor to keep in mind for both guys is owner Jim Irsay. He can put a lot of pressure on his guys to make very aggressive moves. We don’t know if he was the one pushing for the Trent Richardson trade or for the signing of veterans this offseason and things like that.
Based on the rumors coming out of Indy, Grigson is meddlesome and a micromanager. Pagano and his people could easily be the ones leaking those rumors so we can’t take them as fact. That is one crazy situation no matter how you slice it.
The Eagles might be interested in one of the guys, but they sure won’t be interested in both. It’s also possible the Eagles won’t want anything to do with either guy, as there is enough drama in Philly already.
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Hiring someone who is a legit Dir. of Player Personnel is at least a step in the right direction. Absurd that Donahue at his age and track record the last 20 years was going to get that job. Agreed
Question is will the new guy have to agree to be junior partner to Roseman. Can’t imagine Roseman would approve of another hire who has a proven track record and might challenge and openly even dissent on player personnel decisions.
Can’t see Roseman hiring his boss or an equal. Personnel guys is just going to run the scouting department and report to Roseman
Thank you.
Couldn’t agree more with your point about Roseman not wanting to be questioned by a proven guy and will take it a step further. I doubt a guy w/a proven track record would want to work w/Roseman. Kind of feel the same can be said about a coach. Bottoms line IMO, situation looks pretty dire right now.
So like how the only guy Chip could only get to do the job was Marynowitz, who was already under contract?
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So, like, um, what is your point? Full disclosure, I have zero issue moving on from Kelly but I don’t think Roseman is going to be the guy that finds he Eagles some “glory hole”. However, if you want to compare Kelly to Roseman, I saw one of the most respected coaches in the history of football spoke out in his defense. Can the same be said for Howie?
Spoke out in his defense…by comparing him to Josh McDaniels.
The Broncos sure screwed the pooch on that one!
I see nothing where he compared him to McDaniels, don’t think we are reading the same stuff Jack. Anyway, I have no time to argue, enjoy your day.
Then you didn’t read the full quote.
McDaniels was next on Bill’s list of coaches whose teams fired them too early.
Nah it was different articles, but you are right, I have since seen the one you are talking about on nfl.com. The one I read was on espn.com and it mentioned schiano and shannahan, but omitted McDaniels. Anyway, in reality, obviously Bill thinks McDaniels is a good football coach and he respects him; furthermore, he will be a sought after HC candidate this off season. I think you would be hard pressed to find a guy with Bills reputation saying anything positive about Howie.
Yeah…but who gives a shit? The Bill Belichicks of the world don’t need guys like Howie, although it’s worth noting that he only just won his first SB without Scott Pioli.
Bill is a bona fide genius HC. Guys like Chip and McDaniels aren’t, but they’re convinced that they are.
We’ve seen what happens when someone like that takes over a team. Twice.
This discussion got off the rails brother. My initial point was I have no faith in Howie being able to get top candidates, nor does he want them; he wants control. Also, I am fairly certain Howie believes he is a genius too. Anyway, you are Howie guy and I am not, to each their own. Have a nice night and a prosperous new year.
Roseman only has – one person, speaking for him. Jeff Lurie. Lurie is more concerned with his ” close ” relationship with Roseman, than hiring a ” REAL ” GM, and trying to win a Super Bowl !!
Exactly, nobody wanted any part of – the revenge of Roseman !
Exactly, why couldn’t Kelly get anybody of real quality to interview for the ( non GM ) player personnel position last year ? Because : It was a job that could never – lead to the GM position. They would have Roseman staring over their shoulder and wispering in Luries ear. Because they were all smart enough to see that they would ( because Roseman was still lurking ) get the same fate as Marynowitz. Fired ! Nobody of ” ambition and quality ” will ever come work ( under Roseman ) ….. it’s a ” dead end ” job.
Howie is the GM, we are just looking for the replacement of Marynowitz who essentially replaced Tom Gamble.
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Howie is the GM, the guy we hire will be #2 in command
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From a front oftice stand point Howie is even more powerful than Chip was. Howie now has the final say in every roster move that Chip wrestled Away from him, but unlike Chip he also engages in contract talks, negotiations, salary Cap management and various important aspects that chip delegated..
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Howie had final say with Gamble as his #2 and chip the coach, then Chip wrestled final say away, stuck Howie in the Janitors closet and replaced Gamble with Marynowitz…. Now Howie took back his power and more, and is looking to hire,his replacement for Marynowitz…
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This is the NON Bullshit version of our front office structure..
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But, we lack traditional football guys, and that’s the type that will fill this position, so while Howie is still in charge, im glad to see them add as many “football guys” as possible…
Kelly was a amature – college coach, who should have never been hired …… but, Lurie F#%ked his chances of success. How ? Lurie ( actually Roseman ) fired Kellys hand picked – player personnel guy – Gamble. Next, Lurie kept Roseman , therefore assuring that no – top notch / big time player personnel people, would ever even ” interview ” for the job replacing Gamble. So Kelly had to promote Marynowitz – a 30 year old ( basically amature ) player personnel guy, only several years removed from ” college ” recruiting. Not a great formula for success.
Yeah I think it’s gotta be Hue Jackson, but then I’m a guy was thoroughly charmed when the first words out of Buddy Ryan at his introductory press conference were, “We’re going to play Eagles’ Football.” Which up until then wasn’t a thing.
Your probably right. There going to ( because of Roseman ) have to hire a guy who is desperate for a head coach job.
Indy is also interesting because of the potential to see Kelly with Luck.
You’re right…thats scary
I don’t mind the idea of retread coaches – i think you learn a lot in failure, and if you can improve on your weaknesses then i think you can have a lot of success. In the end this is all about finding a QB.. that does not have to be draft as Palmer is showing in Arizona but you need to be agressive and keep trying until you get your top 10 guy.
Having said all that i am an Adam Gase fan… outside of Payton (who if fired is going to get the Colts job imho) i think he is the guy i like the sound of the most.
“don’t take what the defense gives you — take what you want” — Hue Jackson.
One of my biggest problems with Chip!!! You can’t always counter punch, sometime you have to Bomb First.. too often chip allows defenses to dictate what we did. You have to find a balance between exposing the weakness of your opponent, and imposing your will on the opponent. like Most things, chip kelly lacked Balance, and was always on one extreme end of the pendulum..
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We ONLY play fast, We NEVER Huddle, we NEVER line up under center… I don’t care what the fuck you believe in, NEVER and ONLY are limitatiòns that I don’t want to see in a coach Ever again,.. BALANCE is what Im interested in. Chip Kely was an EXTREME, and im fundamentally opposed To extremes, it’s a limitation. So many great formatipns and principles that you can use to exploit specific weakness of each play, and for 3 years we decided to limit ourselves to a few options… By year 2 and year 3, Id be fascinated to hear opposing Offensive Coordinators true feelings on what it was like to prepare to face Chips offense. they would all mention the tempo, but besides that, I assume preparing to Face Chips pamphlet sized play book by year 3 became much easier than preparing for normal teams that are capable of throwing any formation you can image at you on amy given week….
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Chip was extreme, lacked Variety, Limited himself… I want a well rounded, experienced coach that doesn’t care about revolutionizing anything, ISNT married to anything, and only cares about using his wealth of knowledge to put the Talemt he has in best position to attack the defense we face, without the confines of chips self imposed limitatiòns
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For starters. Switch back to the regular pro weekly schedule, instead of screwing around with the days, since it couldn’t help us avoid a 6 win season, and we are like 2-7 in shorty week Primetime games or something horrible like that… I hear some players like Jenkins really valued a lot of the sports sciemce, so we should keep it if we can, but go back to the normal NFL schedule
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Wasn’t that A. Reid’s justification for throwing, throwing, throwing and punting?
Now that Chip is gone, can we get Brandon Boykin back?
Based on his play this year, he probably won’t be in too much demand
looks like we have our nickel back
Great, maybe we can re-sign him. The guy did nothing but make plays in Philly. Great STer too.
Going 8-8 with the Raiders = 13-3 elsewhere
Birds 24/7 breaking down the offense and defense. What are biggest areas of need? Will depend on what type of offense and defense incoming coach wants to implement, but generally, I think:
OL
WR
DB
RB
QB
I personally would be ok with bringing Bradford back for another year. And even if the new coach wants a new QB, I hate putting rookie QBs behind horrible OLs, so I say upgrade the line first.
I like how Matthews fought back this year. Drops are a concern, but he’s proven he can be a good NFL receiver. Agholor needs another year, although he’s gonna have to start from scratch with new coach (same for Matthews and Huff.) I like Huff, but I think he is a WR 4. I think we’re still looking for a #1 WR.
We still need a stud DB and depth.
Not sure what’s gonna happen with Murray. I think his issues are deeper than scheme fit. Not sure Mathews can be a true #1 RB. Need a young buck here.
I like Bradford to return with a 1-year deal. Grab a developmental QB in later rounds. But I’d rather rebuild elsewhere this draft and get a QB next draft.
I really like the team as constructed. I think we need OL and a pass rusher. Everyone will be a year removed from injury, just need a guy that can get this group to play better. Plus needed a year to gel anyway.
I think Graham and Curry could provide a pass rush in a 4-3 defensive perhaps?
i don’t like graham, but you may be right in a 43, doe he have to put on weight again. Odd linebacker out is kiko?
Kendricks, kiko, and hicks sound like an outstanding trio for a 4-3 behind cox logan curry and BG
no barwin?
Hes getting up there in age. And he still has trade value. Go young at LB and get a decent draft pick
Edit: and yes it would suck cuz i love the guy but it would make goid business sense
He has less trade value with the extra money they gave him last year.
Also, there’s no way in hell that we go into next season expecting Kiko to start. He’s been terrible since coming back.
Id rather keep barwin than kiko. I think barwin could be a good Sam with hicks at mlb and Kendricks at will
Barwin was drafted as a 4-3 SAM. It’s certainly been a while, but I believe in him.
I have a feeling that Kiko will be much better next year – a year plus after his injury
me too i really like this roster if they can figure out how to play together.
Yup. Please give me a 4-3.
Most people in here are talking about offense focus, defensive knowledge, or being a QB whisperer. Those things are great, but… my sense is that Lurie really want a program builder. See the quote about short, medium, and long-term plan. AR built an excellent program that did everything but win the SB. Lurie thought he was getting that and more with Chip (Culture beats scheme). The results, unfortunately, didn’t live up the expectations and the future looked bleak under Chip.
Gase, Jackson, McDermott, or whoever – if they want this job they will need to intelligently discuss the big picture and how to build towards that vision.
kelce gave an interview:
“It’s tough to say. Obviously, there were a lot of things that led to the downfall of this season. And I don’t know that I should be airing these out, really, to tell you the truth.
The biggest thing to me is I’ve been through two seasons where you’ve seen a collapse, or a downfall with some teams. In both offseasons, there was tremendous change. And by change I mean through free agency.
And the reason I hesitate saying that is because we’re probably going to have some new free agents this year. We’re probably going to sign some new guys this year. You can make great acquisitions in free agency. I’m not saying that you can’t. But I think on offense, especially, when you have so much change, so many new guys … I think I’ve realized through these two instances that trust and chemistry are more important that I really ever understood. It’s hard to develop that within one offseason. I think when you have guys who are retained and guys who stay with teams for years and years and years, and you bring in one or two guys through free agency ever year, I think that tends to keep everyone together and welcome those new people even better.
And if I’m being quite honest, I don’t think I welcomed the new pieces as well as one of the guys being retained. I think that never really took place from the players aspect of it. I think I’ve seen this twice now and I think it’s really hard to build championship caliber teams and winning teams through free agency.”
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This game, at the end of the day, it’s a game about trust. I’ve never played another sport or another competition where you have to rely on somebody else so much. At the end of the day, it’s not just about being a teammate. It’s about having interpersonal connections with the other people who are on the field with you.
And it goes deeper than being out at OTAs with somebody. It goes deeper than taking a practice rep with somebody. It’s something that when you’re with somebody for years, or a locker room’s been together and you have a core group of guys who have been through only the Philadelphia Eagles, all they know is this city, all they’ve played for is this city, I think that that tends to build a locker room and build a culture — which is what one of Chip’s favorite words were — that lends itself to chemistry and lends itself to people giving of each other and only knowing the Philadelphia Eagles. That is really to hard to build within one offseason and you can’t just do that at practice.
I think if we retain the players that we have now … there’s going to be offseason changes this year, but I think that can be done. I think I’m going to my best job this offseason of trying to get guys together, trying to make this team a team again.
Because right now this is the Dream Team 2. A collection of guys. All of a sudden, you sign the NFL’s leading rusher [DeMarco Murray]. Sam Bradford, one of the best quarterbacks around that you could get through a trade. We got two new starting guards [Allen Barbre and Andrew Gardner/Matt Tobin]. Another new running back [Ryan Mathews]. A brand new receiver through the draft [Nelson Agholor].
There was so much change. I think that me, as one of the offensive guys being retained, I didn’t do a good enough job of getting us together and creating those bonds and making everybody feel like a team.
nice find! damn he said alot, was all this from one question?
he had an interview — bgn has the audio i think.
Thanks for sharing that.
I would believe that more if he didn’t get knocked on his ass so many times this year. Sounds like he is using that as a scapegoat on why his game was so down this year. Don’y get me wrong, I like Kelce but he was definitely a major part of the oline’s problem this year.
Too much change . . .
Unless you’re the 2001 New England Patriots.
The Pats had 8 new starters out of 22, all signed as free agents from other teams, and won the SB.
Winning with new faces can be done.
But not if the new players are treated like interlopers by supposed “team leaders.”
The short version–players need time to build chemistry. You càn’ t bring in too many new guys at the same time and build chemistry. This is as close to a criticism of Kelly that you will ever hear from Kelce.
So does anyone think there’s a chance to get Sean Payton?
Sorry if it’s been brought up.
unclear if he leaves – but if he does he’s going to be the hottest commodity.
Just like CK was. And we got him.
team had a new car smell after andy, think we look more or less impressive to a coach now?
Just as good tbh. You could look at is as taking an underperforming 6-9 roster vs. 4-12 roster. Also, we have a solid RB trio in place and, arguably, a, good QB in place. Closer to a contender than not.
Problem is, last time we were competing with the Jags, Jets, Browns who were all Horrible… This time we are competing with Teams that have Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers, eli manning, possibly Drew Brees, Mariota..
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We better pray that there is a great head coach out there dying to coach SAM Bradford
Rivers is very close to retirement; Giants roster is one of the worst in the league; Ditto Saints; Ditto Titans; Ditty Colts
” We better pray that there is a great head coach out there dying to coach SAM Bradford.”
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Bradford is not under contract. He may not want to stay in Phildelphia. And he may not like the new HC.
What coaching candidate would decide to come to the Eagles based on the *possibility* of Sam Bradford being here?
Franchise tag? Not only does it overpay Bradford, using it means Bradford doesn’t want to be here.
Using the Tag potentially also gives Fletcher Cox unlimited leverage in negotiating his next contract . . . because if the Eagles have to force Bradford to be here in 2016, they may well have to do it in 2016 — leaving the Eagles without any way to keep Cox from the highest bidder. Or making the Eagles pay more than they should to keep Cox.
you gotta think jeff / lurie are ok losng bradford, or maybe want next coach to have option before heading into draft in case he wants to get a qb.
stability is huge for ateam.
What are you talking about with Cox? He’s stuck playing for the 5th year option in 2016 if we want him to. And he can be tagged in 2017.
Mike:
Here’s what I’m talking about . . .
AFTER NEXT SEASON. AFTER 2016!!!!
If Bradford is tagged in 2016, he may force the Eagles to tag him again in 2017.
That eliminates the chance to use the tag on Cox.
Thought that was clear. Hope it is now.
(Doesn’t mean it’ll happen. Just thinking ahead that it could.)
Oh!
But if I tagged Bradford in 2016 and drafted Wentz after trading down in round 1; I can kiss Bradford goodbye at the end of the year. Cox tag problem solved.
Are you nuts? Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, will get the Top Two hottest names unfortunately… We have to Find the RIGHT name this time, like Arians, and Bowles..not the Hottest commodity like Chip… Lol this is some bulshit I tell my self to deal with not being able to compete with Eli and Luck in terms of getting any coach candidate we want
giant have little talent, you saw them without obj. i think philly has the most talent that you can walk into just whether you can build the team situation.
Doubt it… Even if he leaves the Saints, a guy like him will have his pick of Coaching Andrew Luck, Eli, Bradford.. We better hope that the Giamts DONT fire COUGHLIN, so we only have to worry about the Colts Job being much more desirable than ours. If the Giants fire COUGHLIN, we will have to settle for whoever the colts and Giants DONT hire, assuming teams like Tennessee aNd Miami are also more desirable..
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Basically we have to hope that there is a Great coach out there Excited about coaching Bradford or Paxton Lynch, and since we don’t have a 2nd round pick to use to trade up, if Cleveland and the Niners draft a QB, we won’t have a shot at lynch or Goeff… We already DONT have a 2nd round pick, if we also spend our 1st rd pick on a QB, and we know free agency ISNT the way, how the hell are we going to fix our team? SAM Bradford gives us the best chance to win Next year, and he is just approaching his QB Prime, STACK THE OL and keep him healthy the next 3 years, and like Carson Palmer, we could end up Benefitting from this top Talent finally putting it all together, just like the Saints did with Brees, and Cardinals are doing with Palmer… KEEP SAM IN PHILLY!!! It’s a MUST!
Some think that Saban is ready to leave Bama and either the Colts or Giants could hire him.
If Cleveland takes Goff, I really wonder if 49ers take Lynch who comes out of quick read, heavy screens, and run pass options offense somewhat similar to Kaepernick’s college offense.
Lynch really isn’t that good. I’ll laugh at whatever team takes him early.
And I wouldn’t rule out Cleveland not taking a QB because they add RG3 as their new QB.
Since we aren’t looking for a GM (lol this fuckin team and its bullshit semantics), I interpret the situation as Howie having FINAL SAY that chip kelly Ultimately had last year, basically LURIE is piggybacking off Chips bullshit that he wasn’t the GM, now Howie ismt the GM lol… Well any way these spin doctors wanna play it, someone always has to make the decisions that are entrusted to Gm’s, and to me that’s Clearly going to be Howie, where as the new guy we hire will be the new Marynowitz, the guy who runs the personnel department, but ultimately conceded GM’s decisions to Chip.. The new guy will do what Marynowitz did, and Howie makes the final decisions that Chip wrestled away from him last year….. So because the guy we are hiring is going to have less power than traditional GMs, and conceede Final say responsibility to Howie, we aren’t going to be able to attract the best names at this position, because those guys will have a shot at getting Jobs as Real GMs, instead of basically managing the scouting department and doing Howie’s leg work
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So I would think a good candidate for this, will be someone with experience who has just failed as a GM like Grigson, simce tbis would be a demotion but not so far down the ladder that he can’t work his way up to a GM or it will be elevating some young Scout Marynowitz type who has Never been a GM, this role would be sold to Him as the last step on his climb to an eventual GM,job..
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Unfortunately we can’t expect to get one of the hot names that are on short lists for real GM jobs league wide..
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ultimately Howie will be even more powerful than Chip was, because not only will Howie control the 90 man roster that chip wrestled away from him, which means final say in free agency, draft, cutting players, but unlike Chip Howie will even engage in negotiations with Agents, cap management, the contracts, so from a Front office poïnt of view, Howie should be even more powerful than chip was. He has all the final say Chip had, while also handling some important other areas that chip delegated.. Now Howie just needs to Hire his own Marynowitz..
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Btw, I was only using Grigsons situatipn as a recentky fired GM as an example for one of the two types of candidates, I would really HATE if we hired Grigson. Dude had andrew Luck and made a mess, why would you want the guy that kept signing our discarded players? Lol,.. We could have just kept Marynowitz in place, but you know vengeful Howie will have the heads of those who sided with Chip..
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basically we are looking to Hire the replacement for Marynowitz, who replaced Tom Gangle, guys who worked right beneath the GM… Only LURIE is piggybacking on Chips lie that Chip ismt the GM, so Howie ismt the GM now… But in reality Chip and now Howie had the final say which defines the traditional GM job… So while I don’t expect an exciting name, this will be a legit Football guy, and that is a welcome addition that I can’t scoff at seeing us add… This will be the true Footbal Guy who will work directly under Howie..
The issue with hiring a new personnel director is that because the job doesn’t include final say other teams aren’t required to grant permission for the Eagles to interview their front office guys. If you’re another team, do you let the Eagles potentially take your director of college scouting in the middle of the draft process or your director of pro scouting right before free agency? Maybe you let a guy who’s a senior executive that works both sides but is below the director of player personnel go. I wouldn’t be surprised if Donahoe stays in his current role until after the draft and then a new guy is hired.
In the previous thread, I listed potential HC candidates who were Bob Lamonte clients. LaMonte represents Roseman. Below are potential personnel director hires that are represented by LaMonte. Some of these guys already have titles equivalent to director of player personnel and all of them would require permission from their current team to interview.
Chris Ballard, Director of Football Operations, Kansas City
Morocco Brown, VP of Player Personnel, Cleveland
Tom Heckert, Director of Pro Personnel, Denver
Kevin Kelly, Director of College Scouting, San Diego(mentioned by Tommy)
Will Lewis, Director of Pro Personnel, Kansas City
Randy Mueller, Senior Executive, San Diego
Chris Polian, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville
how big a role does “same agent” play do you think?
I think it matters less at the personnel level, but as far as coaching goes it is typically pretty significant. Say a coach that is represented by LaMonte and trusts his opinion has reservations about working for Howie. LaMonte could help dispel that. Also, when new HCs are hiring coordinators if someone that they have worked with in past is not available, very often other coordinators that their agent talks up are considered.
Morocco Brown; was that the paint color my wife picked out at Benajmin Moore?
I’ve been pointedly trashing Lurie for the last 36-48 hours, and I don’t want to have certain remarks read out of context. Jeff Lurie has been the best sports owner in Philadelphia’s history in my opinion. He took a fledgling, a moribund organization and infused it with brand recognition, and a financial value that has enabled venturous risk-taking. He’s been meticulous in conducting searches for HC candidates that he targets as superior, and he has been able to land two very capable HC’s.
My criticisms regarding what I take to be a substantially under-staffed, under-populated Front Office are not meant to berate the man. I think the material investments and the demands on time that are necessary to construct a first-class FO are not too great for a man who has taken the franchise farther than any of his predecessors could. I just get the impression that it is NOT a priority that he recognizes. I have nothing to say about Howie Roseman. Lurie has said more than once that he trusts Howie, and that is fine with me. Does he trust Howie to bring in people who know more than him or the owner about the architectural look of a first-rate FO? Has he entrusted ANYONE to set upon the task of acquiring some high-priced, big-egos, who are used to being barked at and barking back…Big Dogs? The owner appears to believe that the structure in the organization which needs to have deep files on a few thousand persons of interest, needs to have a variety of perspectives that can all be heard, and most importantly needs to be scrutinized for its productivity, and harnessed and arbitrated from time to time…can just fade into the woodwork if the right HC is hired. As much as Jeff Lurie has accomplished with his franchise, I would love to see him take on a business partner whose got nothing on his/her plate, and make it a company mission to build, brick-by-brick, a Front Office that rivals Green Bay’s. It is an endeavor that would remain “in-progress” just as building a winner on the field is. it is a necessary pre-cursor to having the best players available playing for The Eagles. It is long overdue.
I think Lurie WANTS people who are willing to be barked back to.
Chip certainly wasn’t, and that’s part of why he’s gone.
I have a difficult time believing that Kelly would have attempted a power grab if he encountered a FO that had its act together. The fact that it did not/does not is a reflection of the owner’s priorities and decisions. I’m not defending Kelly, just as I never defended Any Reid’s accumulation of many hats. But it’s really a trend that is troubling, and the owner can address it if he chooses.
Considering what everyone has said about Kelly now that he’s gone, including several people on the record, I have no trouble believing that Chip would have attempted a power grab if Ozzie Newsome was in charge.
The fact that Marynowitz was shitcanned as well shows that the pair were indistinct in Lurie’s eyes which, again, doesn’t speak well to Chip’s ability to handle differing opinions.
how do you keep marynowitz in any situation. Firing chip b/c of personnel moves gotta fire the guy making the personnel moves.
I just don’t think the personnel moves were all that critical to Lurie’s decision. He was getting nausea just watching on Sundays. A strong FO would have made the hiring of Marynowitz a DOA idea, and Chip would have had no temptation to play GM. I am in the minority, I suspect, but it’s human nature to take what is there for the taking, and the FO of the Philadelphia Eagles should never be cast in that light. Shame on Jeff Lurie.
yeah, gave him too much power to start.
…Chip made the personnel moves. Marynowitz was his #2, and Lurie didn’t even give him a chance to keep his job.
Lurie traditionally hasn’t viewed the GM and coach as a package deal. They kept Howie when they fired Reid, and they kept Modrak when they fired Rhodes.
Marynowitz’s being fired shows that he doesn’t offer any perspective Kelly didn’t.
Chip micromanages how his players take a piss. Why do you find it difficult to believe he’d want control over the roster of the team he’s coaching?
I am probably starting from a different place than you. I believe that Kelly’s laundry list of intrusive monitoring practices was accumulated over time as a college OC and HC. I question the wisdom of introducing ALL of those to the NFL, but his decision to do so was done as a good faith attempt to gain an edge, just as the up-tempo was, in my opinion. I believe that Kelly is doggedly competitive, and the notion that he had to have control over personnel goes against what he said upon his hire. I am not naive, I know people lie all of the time. I just believe he did not anticipate a front office that was Howie Roseman. Kelly had no prior experience upon which to gauge his competency as a GM. A lot of people think his inability as a personnel manager are what got him fired. I don’t agree, but, if you want to go with that, he was 10-6 twice as just a HC. Then he bites off way more than ANY new HC should ever do, and his team is embarrassingly bad most of the time. I do not believe that the play, the ugly play we all witnessed this year was down to his terrible trades and acquisition of bad players. He was over his head, and his attention to the HC duties suffered. I still believe that he wants to win, and that he knows the game. I expect to see him raising a Lombardi sooner rather than later.
Not sure how you come to the conclusion that the Eagles are understaffed… they have one of the biggest front offices in the league – look at the 10’s of different types of ‘directors’ and advisors they have before you even get into the scouts in scouting set up.
I would argue it is almost the opposite issue – too many people for too little work which leads to infighting and conflict as people work to try and make and control their ‘space’ or role.
Go to Green Bay’s and Giant’s homesites. They have BIG Front Offices and there are a lot of departments and department heads. They are literally bureaucracies. That is a pejorative term, but there is accountability at every level, and it serves them pretty well in player acquisition, and on-the-field results. I like Don Smolenski, but the “Football Operations” side of the organization…the one where Roseman is the honcho and has the longest tenure. There is a void of quality players in that part of the organization. That is what I mean by FO.
You went their homesites and determined they have accountability at every level? Maybe Lurie should just hire somebody to redo the Eagles official homesite.
Touche. The accountability part can only be assessed over time. Who gets promoted, who is a short-timer. It isn’t just my opinion. Both franchises carry good reputations, and their relative success at replacing HC’s without missing a beat is impressive to me. I know that all teams go through rough patches, but with organizations that are reputed to have strong FO’s those rough patches are fewer. They get better players more of the time, and that is what it’s all for.
Huh, the Giants went from Ray Handley to Jim Fassel to Tom Coughlin…not exactly stellar coaches. Coughlin’s teams that won the Superbowl were more about luck and timing than dominant football teams.
Green bay went from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers as franchise QBs. It’s pretty much a given that if you have a franchise QB, the team will probably be a contender. Shoot, their head coach is the main reason they were not in the Super Bowl last year.
Strong front offices start with strong ownership and having a franchise QB. With those 2 things, teams tend to win and there is harmony. Name all the great front offices without a franchise, or stable upper tier qb situations (think Flacco and the Ravens or Dalton and the Bengals).
Two franchise QB’s in succession is a great feather in any FO’s cap, wouldn’t you agree? I get your point about players being more critical to success than coaches, but organizations that hand coaches administrative power do so because their FO is not up to the task. The very fact that the discussion is entertained is a signal that it’s willing to overtax the HC to achieve success. It’s more of a long shot, in my opinion.
I went and compared Eagles website to the Giants…. Eagles have 4 more scouts and nearly twice the number of FO staff (taking out guys are listed under FO but do equipment/video which the giants list elsewhere)
Cincy has the smallest FO and arguably the best 53
No argument. Bengals have a tradition of daring, if not head-scratching decisions. I cited Green Bay and NY Giants and Steelers as examples of FO’s that don’t invite their coaching hires to seek to expand their roles while on the job. I think Cincy is also in that group, though maybe for different reasons. When I wrote Eagles FO is Howie, I was giving short shrift to the people who answer to him, but I was thinking that Eagles need some bodies with gravitas to troubleshoot his football decisions. I think HR’s lawyerly background serves him well in meeting Lurie’s top priority to keep franchise solvent and growing financially. But as it stands now, I think it is rather a rudderless FO, and that may be to Lurie’s liking. There are costs and demands of maintaining a proactive, ahead-of-the -curve FO, and if it is expected to be all coming from the guy who is negotiating player contracts, and attending the lines of communication throughout the league, I think that is unrealistic. Basically, Lurie needs to empower Howie to hire a few folks that know more than he does, and that is difficult. I’m not in favor of size over substance, so sorry if I implied that. Check this out:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1489296-mike-brown-and-the-bengals-when-nepotism-in-sports-goes-wrong
Literally nothing Howie will do will impact the financial solvency of the Eagles. Ticket sales are subject to revenue sharing. And even the worst teams sell damn near to capacity, so you’re talking about a few hundred thousand dollars of impact even if the team is garbage. The revenue sharing alone more than covers the operating cost. The non revenue sharing things like local TV, sponsorships, etc are all under Smolinski not Howie.
Hiring good scouts will be key for Howie but it doesn’t neccessarily need to be in the form of upper level personnel VPs.
I think I gave you the wrong idea. My issue is not with Howie’s cap skills and knowledge of the market value of a lot of players. Hiring good scouts is imperative, but will he get critical advice from an underling if it clearly contradicts his known position? I don’t have a problem at with HR being Lurie’s top dog, but in a talented pool of scouts and assistants, and proven talent evaluators I would expect some intensely held opinions, and some disagreement. Will Howie invite that or will he succumb to the temptation to have consensus where disagreement is pretty much muted. I respect Howie’s smarts, but the owner seems a bit averse to allocating status to people he does not trust as much as he trusts Roseman. If that is the case, then Roseman is going out on a limb if he heeds the opinions of the people he hires, when he isn’t sure. I do think it would be encouraging to see an effort at consolidating some contrarian seats in the personnel department. It would suggest to me that Jeff Lurie is putting all of his cards on the table.
soooo who are we supposed to blame or praise for draft picks this year???
Good question. Luckily we have a while until the draft happens.
That’ll be announced in 3 years.
I think it’s more that he’s bringing back the old structure of the Banner-Reid-Heckert triumvirate that brought all of the Eagles’ 21st century success, with Howie in Banner’s seat, and the other two to be filled shortly.
Reid was a unique personality that could deal with Banner. Will be tough to duplicate the same dynamic.
No doubt, but I think that’s what Lurie wants.
Howie has GM responsibility without the title, and the guy we hire will replace Marynowitz who was #2’in command to Chip, Marynowitz had replaced Gamble who was #2 to Howie…..
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This is just a replacement for Marynowitz. Howie has the final say that defines the traditional GM position.. piggybacking off chips semantics BS
I wouldn’t fixate so much on the “GM” title. Some teams use the title and the GM hires the HC and is in charge of everything. In some cases, the GM just handles personnel or the coach has final say. In most instances, the title Executive VP of Football Operations is a higher title than GM. Some times, it’s an add-on to another title. Someone’s title might be GM/Executive VP of Football Operations or Head Coach/Executive VP of Football Operations. I realize that with the Eagles last year it was a unique situation as Roseman had the title but not some of the typical responsibilities. If we expect this to be a more traditional set-up, then the Exec VP of Football Ops will have a final say. That doesn’t mean that it can’t be a collaborative process but someone has to have final say. If the right personalities are involved, then there won’t be many instances where it matters.
My reading of the situation will be this – Howie does the staff evaluations for the senior personal executives, and will run the draft and free agency agreeing contracts with players.
Coaching staff and personnel head agree player profiles for different positions depending on the coaching staffs desires and scheme.
Head of personnel is in charge of making both free agent and draft big boards in their raw form with input from the coaching staff.
Coaches and Howie then weight the board due to team needs and any other issues (lets say Lurie is uncomfortable with Kaepernick representing the franchise as QB).
There is no reason why this cannot work, and in fact work well if everyone is on the same page work together.
Need the right mix of personalities. If you’re keeping Howie, need to find the type of guys who can work with him. While he’s battled with a lot of the other personnel guys, he did have his own allies and guys who meshed well with him.
Totally agreed, now maybe things will settle down (especially if they have a couple of good drafts and team goes to playoffs) since Howie has pretty much won all the battles now. If things go sideways then people will start coming for the crown again.
triumvirate, Historically we know how these end…
The GM is already Lepidus.
Lepidus was portrayed as weak yet always found a way to stay in power. Very astute observation. Lets hope this has a better ending lol
zeke elliot 4 tds, but its really that ou o-line just smashing people.
read-option with Barrett helps too…..Cardale wasn’t doing well with it earlier in season. I think Zeke’s stock was a little inflated after the playoffs last year and he has come back down to earth a bit, he’s still a solid RB
your right about the o-line too….they dominated when i got to check in on that game
i’ve learned it’s rarely about the back.
Recently the only backs that really make the difference
AP
Gurley
That is all
He reminds me of DeMarco Murray in 2014;-)
anybody ever wonder if Kelly’s acquisition of Demarco was a response to WAS acquisition of djax. sort of similar situations.
You know what’s funny? Djax and Demarco would make each other so much more effective if the OL wasn’t shit.
When Djax was here I bitched about his drops…
Now Im shamed every Sunday watching what I consider the “Most unfocused team” drop routine catches high schoolers would make
that guy Will Fuller WR for ND has a little D-Jax in him, not as scatty or jumpy as Desean, but definitely has the breakaway deep speed
Kevin Kelly is a name sort of out of left field. Almost makes me think Tommy has the inside scoop.
Here’s an article on Kelly. More about his relationship with Walter Payton than about his pro scouting career:
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/31/walter-payton-kevin-kelly-san-diego-chargers-scout
Hue Jackson came off as a poor-man’s Rex Ryan when he was on Hard Knocks. Struck me as a decent position coach but not as a head coach.
was that the season where Marvin Lewis tried explaining to Chad Johnson how banks work?
I didn’t think it was that long ago. I think it was 2013 season. IIRC he was RB coach.
oh yea, forgot they did the Bungals twice
is that a true story?
yea, it was the first season that hard knocks was with the bengals. After practice Chad Johnson was having a talk with Marvin Lewis in a meeting room and idk how the conversation came around to money and what banks do with your money, but Coach Lewis tried giving Chad a general statement on what Banks are for…..but Ochocinco was just not getting it
T-Law:
If the Eagles traded for Bill Belichick to be the coach (and he agreed to it), would it even matter very much without a very good QB here?
Chuck Pagano had success, before 2015, running Andrew Luck out there. He may not be at the front of the class with Brady, Rodgers, or Wilson . . . but Luck’s name will be called quickly when roll is taken of the best QBs.
Just saying — and we see it every season all around the NFL — that without a very good QB, NFL Coaches will not have long-term success . . .
And that assumes an O-line, 1 good WR, and at least a mediocre defense get assembled.
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You wrote:
Chip Kelly loved his scheme and his ideas. Gase can make things work with just about any player or scheme you want. That is key in today’s NFL.
T-Law . . . Which of those two coaches has a “Growth Mindset”?
Gase…..Chip didn’t necessarily practice what he preached
Feel better about this move.
Interesting to hear from a more thoughtful Belicheck now. Basically noting that Chip got canned early with only a short period of time to get his people on board. Plus he noted the players sucked after they left, which might mean the team just needed to be rebuilt.
I advocated for fire sales to rebuild for a while. It just never happened and the team has kind of meandered around in mediocrity. its more like a college team approach, but, even Andy wasn’t able to successfully transition the QB change and OL falling apart.
Think it is a QB issue more than anything. Think this is a better roster than they played and with a quality QB to sustain drives and build confidence this team goes to the playoffs with a 10+ win record.
Chip pace requires a dominant offence or it all breaks down, and without an elite QB you cannot sustain what happened in 2013.
At least a consistent qb. Still thought the DJ
The thing that gets me is that what Belichick is saying isn’t even really true. Maclin has played well in KC. DJax and McCoy have been a mixed bag. Foles and Mathis have been disappointments with their new teams. It’s not like everyone has been bad.
More to the point, the guys Chip brought in to replace them have ranged from mediocre to terrible. I don’t think people are criticizing Chip for making changes to the roster. They’re criticizing him for making the wrong changes.
84/1034/7 for Maclin isn’t really $11 mil / year worth of production from Maclin.
But with the caveat that Maclin gave them 7 times as many touchdowns at his position vs last year. I think the Chiefs are reasonably happy with that
i don’t disagree with you, but trust me A LOT of people are criticizing him for getting rid of the guys you listed above
I’ll remain critical of cutting Jackson for nothing. Very unique player who forces the D to adjust their entire mentality because he’s on the field.
And he wouldn’t have missed the beginning part of the season here this year because we don’t leave heavy equipment near our practice fields.
Not only did we get nothing in return we actually helped a rival get stronger.
When Greenbay moved on from Favre he went packing to the Jets for a reason.
I thought a lot of key people need a couple years to develop, and a lot of guys on the downside. Made a wild swing for a qb. I was never that big a fan, not like you can make magic from bad players.
Lurie’s M.O. is to hire articulate, detail-oriented, highly organized coaches. Conversely, I can tell you as someone who follows Joe Banner on Twitter (highly recommended – he’s quite insightful on there…but has gone mysteriously quiet since CK was fired….) – Lurie and Banner thought Rex Ryan was as bright as a bag of hammers. And they are right about that. So don’t expect the ‘rah rah’ type coaches to get hired. Lurie might be looking for a ‘players coach’ but not once he asks about scheme, etc. and all he gets back is something like, “I don’t know about all that but, I promise you this, Mr. Lurie. We’ll play with passion and smash mouths if I’m coach!!!”
One downside to CK’s firing – it was pretty much a certainty that the league would have forced the Eagles to do Hard Knocks this year. Now that’s not going to happen with a first-year coach.
I’d count that as an upside.
The dichotomy of Hard Knocks: I’d love to get that in depth look inside the organization that I follow so much, but I’d hate for anyone else, or at least none Eagles fans, to get the same look behind the curtains.
yeah think that would expose what things were really like here, but maybe that would be a good thing.
The real reason for Lurie canning Chipper
A lot of people seem to think we will take a significant step back next year from reading a lot of different people.
In camp people said this was the most talented Eagles roster in a while – that it looked talented and deep with lots of NFL bodies. There is no reason why that has changed and there are no significant free agent losses (Curry + Thurmond) as the biggest pair.
Eagles Offensively have been bad by any per drive metric (and eye test), and the defense got worn down in games and as the season went by but i think in either a 3-4 or 4-3 just bringing back the same guys you can get a top 10-15 unit with more conventional pace and good coaching + game calling. Special teams is not a concern.
Offensively we have a decent young tackle in Johnson, TE in Ertz, pair of experienced RB’s with productive histories, young group of WR’s with upside.
So shopping list wise we need:
QB
Vet WR (replacing Cooper with something a lot better)
3-4 Starting Offensive line. (Babre/Tolbin/Gardner are good backups)
Safety (depending on scheme and retaining Thurmond)
Specialist pass rusher (depending on scheme)
Then just general depth and talent on defense.
That is definately doable in 1 off season.
2 good guards in free agency, and retaining Curry/Thurmond leaves a pretty solid roster needing a RT(of future or now if Peters is cut), QB and then pretty much BPA from there.
Or you sign a vet QB you like (Bradford RGKnee Kaepernick), sign 1 OG and a Safety, then hit the draft for Oline and a pass rusher.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/1/10699136/jason-kelce-eagles-dream-team-2-chip-kelly
Kelce was interviewed.
What a crock of shit. Denver is not a dysfunctional team and they’ve brought in plenty of FAs. Patriots bring in starters through FA, they’re still not a broken team. Seattle brought in big name FAs and they’re still not dysfunctional. Then again maybe they have coaches that can deal with idiots, assholes, and etc.
Richie Incognito is starting for the Bills. You don’t hear a damn thing about him in Buffalo.
didn’t do much team building here. no leadership. peyton at least sets the tone, guys are there to work hard and win games.
I don’t know how you can be yourself in that environment. You were either pro Chip or hated him. How do you even approach your teammates without feeling awkward? Let alone trust each other.
To be honest i want Kelce to shut up and play for his job, his play has been too poor for him to throw an shade at anyone in the organisation at the moment.
Agreed. If Alex Mack opts out of his deal in Cleveland I’d be very much in favor of trading Kelce immediately and signing Mack.
The Kelce question is super complicated, we only save $1.6mil trading or cutting him this year, and new money wise is a cheap $4mil in 2016, making cutting him or trading for little value not very useful.
He is so scheme specific and play has been so poor in 2014-2015 i cannot see a strong trade market.
Think he survives as an Eagle in 2016 with a mid round C understudy to develop, but depending on the new coaching staffs blocking scheme he might be a gone regardless of cap situation.
is cox the only stud on this team? even guys roseman gets credit for are mediocre at best.
has to be damning to see guys like foles, boykin, etc. go elsewhere and not be productive.
well 32 teams = 1-2 pro bowlers per roster… Johnson is a fine young Tackle who will go to the probowl in the future.
guys we call busts like Coleman have moved on and having good careers, and Boykin is playing now for the Steelers.
KANSAS CITY HERE I COME!
Why??? The last good free agent I remember getting was Asante Samuel.
It rarely seems to work out for us with players that were great for other teams coming here
Barwin?
He wasn’t great or probowl for Texans
But I get your point and agree he has been a blessing for us on and off the football field
i can’t put a link here, but Brandon Boykin just slammed Kelly too
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-news/2016/1/1/10698808/steelers-cb-brandon-boykin-sounds-off-about-former-eagles-coach-chip
From a source run by one of the most idiotic fan bases in all of sports, so we’ll have to read closely for errors.
Boykin’s criticism is pretty damning. Tomlin’s kept him strapped to the bench for most of the season and he speaks highly of him, so the explanation that his criticism of Kelly when he left town was just sour grapes over not getting playing time seems pretty unlikely at this point.
How on earth does Kelly ever get control of an NFL locker room again and/or answer those types of questions in an interview?
Don’t know. Luckily it’s not our problem at this point.
Re: What’s Been In the Cupboard . . .
When Lurie made his first head-coach hiring, here’re the best players already on the roster whom Ray Rhodes inherited:
– WR Fred Barnett
– WR Calvin Williams
– OT Antone Davis
– DE Wm Fuller
– DT Andy Harmon
– LB Bill Romonowski
– CB Mark McMillian
Pretty slim pickings.
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In 1999, when Lurie hired Andy Reid, here’re the best players left behind by Rhodes:
– RB Duce Staley
– OT Tra Thomas
– OG Jermane Mayberry
– DE Brandon Whiting
– DT Hollis Thomas
– LB Jeremiah Trotter
– CB Troy VIncent
– CB Bobby Taylor
– FS Brian Dawkins
Good group, especially on defense. (Also on the roster were ST aces Ike Reece and Mike Caldwell, who later became a solid starter).
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Lurie’s next HC was Kelly. Here’s the best — all proven quantities — of what Kelly inherited from the Reid regime (which includes Roseman at some level):
– RB LeSean McCoy
– WR Desean Jackson
– WR Jeremy Maclin
– TE Brent Celek
– OT Jason Peters
– OG Evan Mathis
– OC Jason Kelce
– DE Fletcher Cox
– DE Ced Thornton
– LB Trent Cole
– LB DeMeco Ryans
– LB Mychal Kendricks
Some fine ingredients left behind, ‘specially on offense.
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Now Lurie’s gonna hire his fourth HC. Here’s the best of the current roster under contract for 2016 (assuming a 4-3 defense, too):
– WR Jordan Matthews
– OT Jason Peters
– OT Lane Johnson
– OC Jason Kelce
– DE Brandon Graham
– DT Fletcher Cox
– NT Bennie Logan
– LB Connor Barwin
– LB Mychal Kendricks
– SS Malcolm Jenkins
– RT Darren Sproles
Not as good as the group Kelly inherited from Reid — and, presumably in Lurie’s view, Roseman too — certainly on offense.
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Talent-wise, it looks like the Eagles have taken a step back on offense.
Regardless, without a QB, can the next coach take the Eagles to a SB?
Not in year one, but we’ll see what the staff looks like.
Certainly other good things on defense hicks, kiko, etc. but i think as an offensive coach kelly was trying to get spend all $$ on defense and scheme productivity on offense.
murray and matthews are both good.
Except he forgot to scheme on O
I think Kelly just expected to get points from the O, I kinda thought it was automatic too 🙁
Jordan Hicks > Kendricks
Hard to say after one year but I like Hicks style a little more myself.
After all look at Kikos first year and I would say he’s closer to Casey Matthews than he is to Hicks or Kendricks (Hope he returns to form)
What Hicks does nicely is not make mistakes and arrive at the ball carrier with bad intentions.
What Hicks does not do well is play a full season’s worth of games.
Kendricks and Kiko have the same problem staying healthy tho.
Hicks seems like a real Leader like he has the best overall blend of Kiko,Demeco, and Kendricks
Put them all together and you might have one reliable full season player!
Franken linebacker! I like it. Maybe, just MAYBE less snaps on defense will help our guys stay healthy and fresh???
Or in a 4-3 you can better withstand the inevitable missed games.
MKSP . . .
Aloha!
Thought about Hicks and Rowe. Still not “proven” enough.
And by including Kendricks, I’m not saying he’s better than Hicks. Just more experienced.
Nice write up. Im also High on Gase and wanted him as our OC last year. I feel like the best coaches and chefs can cook a great meal without shopping themselves for the groceries.
Think you can add DeMarco and Mathews to that list as a pair of RB’s… both are proven producers if you make holes on the O line.
Maxwell can produce in the right scheme and situation, and we have a couple of nice young CB’s who could be tasty in the future in Rowe and Shepard.
Ertz is a good TE and Agholor has upside to be a quality WR.
Ertz . . . yes.
Left Rowe off as not “proven” — which was my test.
It’s an eye-of-the-beholder deal.
Rowe,
Ive never been so impressed with a rookie cb that gave up 3 Tds in a game lol. When breaking the film down I realized he was just about perfect on each play, just went up against an all pro freak athlete WR. I have extremely high hopes for him a S or CB
Thanks. Just take a few guys of that list including Kelce and Kendricks who given their performance and contracts going ahead forward easily could be liabilities especially Kelce in a new line blocking scheme.
Isn’t it fair to say that Thomas, Dawkins and trotter wasn’t proven evenAt Reid got here?
Notre Dame HC Brian Kelly, who is a luke-warm NFL coaching candidate let it known recently that he wants control if hired by NFL team. This may scare away teams with the recent drama here in Philly.
At least he’s coming out and saying it i guess
I want to avoid ALL Kellys , coaching and scouting
Brian and Chip look like they could be brothers too
Hard pass
Shouldn’t even be in the running at this point. Back in 2013 I wanted:
1.Todd Bowles (He got screwed here) as DC or HC
2.Chip Kelly
3. Bruce Arians
3. Never Ever the Gusbus
That’s okay by me because I have zero interest in Brian Kelly.
Give me a coach who’s happy coaching and doesn’t demand personnel control. Chip proved that the two require totally different skill sets and make too many demands to be handled by only one person.
Its one thing when you have been here for years and had multiple trips to the play off or won a championship.
To start off, I wouldn’t give ANY coach full autonomy
I feel a lot better about Donehue being temporary. Our scouting dept has had no stability the last few years. No wonder we reached on Marcus Smith.
I hate the fucking Marcus Smith shit, Just because he was not high on ESPN’s draft board. NFL’s Daniel Jeremiah felt he was going late 1st early 2nd (and he was an actual NFL scout).
Smith had elite athletic traits and was super clean off the field with a football focus and work ethic. He had ‘good’ college coverage skills for an OLB/DE, and actual sack production in is final year. Due to conversion he had significant upside since he had limited experience at the position.
What he lacked was quality pass rush moves (scheme and athleticism meant he didn’t need them in college), and questions about his ‘nastiness’/aggression.
In the NFL he has struggled with the physicality of the league and has struggled to develop legitimate pass moves and get a instinctive feel for the game (hard to do with very limited playing time).
At this point he is reasonably considered a bust and probably will not reach his physical potential. But considering Chip Kelly’s specific requirements for players – and the coaching staffs belief in their ability to develop players from their college backgrounds handling raw products (did not prove that capable), the pick made sense at the time.
And i remember a few time where he lost contain bad. A LB who struggles with physicality is something I want nothing to do with personally.
Hope he takes advantage of the fresh start
Look he has been bad in the NFL – and is and probably will remain a bust.
But the ‘reach’ stuff drives me nuts, the pick made sense as a high risk high upside type move, we rolled the dice and lost.
picks in the 20’s have a 50% bust rate. That’s the reality. Missing on a 1st round pick (that is not a QB under the old salary cap) does not set the franchise back for years – it is expected, and common.
Fans (Eagles and elsewhere) have a horrible understanding of the risks and random nature of the draft process.
well said, i agree
Not a bust because he isn’t working out. He has literally done nothing. I will never play int NFL and I have still made ALMOST as many plays as him. I understand your point and somewhat agree.
But back to my point: How can our front office succeed with the constant upheavel?
Well think most teams have a pretty consistent churn in their front office – if you are good then people hire guys away, and if you are bad then people get fired.
Need to have solid leadership at the top that works well together… but that happens when you have success… which happens when you have stability and good relationships… is a chicken and egg thing.
If you look at most teams – they constantly churn GM/Coachs/players until you get a franchise QB, when suddenly everything settles down because you can have consistent success.
Eagles were a pretty solid FO while they had McNabb in his prime… soon as that was over not so much.
I understand turnover in the front office. Its just every year the last few years these things are a distraction.
Initially I was shocked to keep Donohue. I understand it more. We are still having the turn over but we have SOME stability. Im hoping that helps the scouting department.
He barely played so he has a small sample size. What if Jordan Hicks came in for a few plays and lost contain? Since there was an injury, he was thrust into a starters role and succeed.
Marcus was never given a chance in the same way Brandon Graham was never given much of a chance at LB under Chip, or Boykin at CB under Chip. Maybe Marcus is a bust, but without actual playing time and experience, we’ll never know until he is on another team.
It seems once you are in Chip’s doghouse, you never get out, with the exception of Brandon Graham.
Chip/Davis did prefer Vets to rookies unless injuries forced their hands and were happy to leave more talented players on the bench to have more consistent/reliable guys take playing time. (See Curry/Hart/Agholor/Huff/Rowe)
I will not miss that. Watching Bradley Fletcher struggle last year while Nolan Caroll and Boykin rode the bench was nuts. Chip drafted growth Mindset players just to sit them on the bench because they had no experience and were no better than the vets.
Kind of like trying to find a job after graduating college and every firm is looking for at least 1 year experience.
Thats the thing Hicks got an opportunity and made the most of it. MS didn’t last year when people were banged up. A small part of me hopes he can play but Billy avis misused him. I just think he can’t play but maybe he’s “a Shark int he water”
Barwin and Brandon Graham missed no time last year. ILBs were banged up, not the starting OLBs.
Did Barwin and Graham play every snap?
They were taken off the field. My point is only that when an opportunity arise its up to the player to take advantage. If he could play he would be on the field, at least in rotation for a defense that was exhausted. Im hoping its a coaching issue. I suspect otherwise though.
In Chip’s first year, Graham got about as much time spelling Trent Cole as Marcus did this year. Last year, Graham got more time, but still less than Cole. When Cole was allowed to leave this past offseason, nobody was fully sure Graham could step up to a full-time role. Granted, he looked better than Marcus does now, but Chip still didn’t give him all that great of an opportunity last year.
To be fair, even casual fans know by now that you shouldn’t reach for players just because you have a need at that position, which is exactly what we did. BPA, its a fairly simple concept.
What makes you say he was not BPA on their board? were you in the draft room? I explained how and why a team might have a very high grade on him. There is a chance he was the highest rated guy regardless of need.
And even then every team stacks for availability and need. It is why we could get Matthews in the 2nd, BPA makes sense when you have someone ‘fall’ to you. but that did not happen in 2014, so they traded back and then decided to take the best player on their board, now they were proven wrong in their evaluation – but it was not a ‘reach’.
Him being at the top of our boards is worse. Reaching is panic, unwise but temporary. Being such shitty evaluators that you’d mark MS as a first rounder is permanent and inexcusable.
Jeremiah is saying the same thing, because of a bad OLB class, people would reach. Doesn’t make it smart, just because you can rationalize it. It was without a doubt a reach, a player was pick earlier than his talent warranted for a variety of reason, in this case a need with us with few players to fill the gap. Its the definition of a reach.
Lets say you have 10 players who are graded 84-82 (random bullshit grading system), and one is OLB who you know is in big demand and is a premium position, you pick him over a WR who has the same grade who you think you can get later (or at a similar level because group is deeper).
That is not a reach – that is how the draft works.
As someone who follows the draft avidly (and was high on Smith at the time), there were a range of draftniks who put him in the 20-40 range, and a range of reporters who said front offices were high on him as a prospect.
Now those people have been proven wrong because he has not been able to develop, while people who were concerned by his rawness and lack of pass rush skills have been proven right. But he is not some kind of ‘scandal’ pick our media and fans make him out to be.
He was definitely not a scandal pick, but even without the benefit of hindsigt he was not a good pick and he most certainly was a player picked by virtue of position compared to a player of similar talent but playing a different position.
Although I won’t mind if we reach for offensive lineman in round 1, 3, 4 and 5 this year…
Reaching can basically always be fixed by hitting on the pick. The Cowboys reached on Travis Fredericks, i’d imagine they’re pretty satisfied.
Although an argument could be made that lineman in general are usually the safest picks in any round.
unless they are old part time firemen who dont care about football at all
I think we go hard at free agency for at least 1 or 2 starting quality guards (or if the FO thinks Peters can move to OG maybe do that). Tolbin/Babre/Gardner are quality NFL backups and should be moved into that role.
Think a RT in rounds (1-3…want that 2nd back badly), and then try and find a C in (4-5) and that will be enough. If you stack your board right someone should be available – and if players at other positions falls that are much better than the OL prospects we can survive not picking any O Line again.
You could also sign Mitchell Schwartz to start at RT and draft a guy to come in a compete for the starting guard spot not occupied by Peters.
Yeah although i am in the cut Peters and save $6.5mil camp. depends how hot free agency is going to be. Banner is predicting it is going to explode this year, since teams under spent last year and cap is still rising…
Schwartz-Babre(rookie pushing)-Kelce-Peters-Johnson
seems like it could work as bridging unit, with hopefully more C/G’s to develop from late rounds 2016 or 2017 draft.
I think you need to flip Johnson to LT and Schwartz to RT and you’re in business.
Thats what i meant… i just think of O lines from the defenses perspective not from the QB’s.
RT -Schwartz (or another signing)
RG- Barbre (rookie behind pushing)
C- Kelce (depending on scheme)
LG- Peters (or another Vet OG)
LT – Johnson
Anyway however you try and stack it (Peters could do a year at RT probably) we need at least 1 Vet Oline in free agency (2 if you cut Peters), leaving draft to provide a projectable long term starter (rounds 1-3), and ideally a later round Centre for depth/development behind Kelce.
are there any o-linemen that tickle your fancy in this draft?
Ha god knows – I leave O line and DT’s to experts like Tommie – i can get a feel for guys who play in space but without coaches film and spending time focusing on 1 guy all the time i don’t know who is good, who is just in a good scheme, and who is just facing substandard opposition.
Looking at http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2016/all
Ronnie Stanley and Taylor Decker are guys who could be 1st round picks for us at OT. OG looks thin but most underclassmen have not declared (or been added yet). depending on who declares will have a big impact on depth/talent available.
Could you make these guys work?
Round 1 Pick 15 (IND): Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
Round 2 Pick 15 (IND): Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana (A)
Round 3 Pick 12: Max Tuerk, C/OG, Southern California (A+)
Round 3 Pick 13: Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina (A+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (A-)
Round 5 Pick 12: Ricky Seals-Jones, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21: Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Taveze Calhoun, CB, Mississippi State (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: D.J. Reader, DT, Clemson (A-)
Round 7 Pick 31: Glenn Gronkowski, FB, Kansas State (B+)
i like Tuerk and Correa
What I like about Turek is that he could win the job at center outright and help us get rid of Kelce or be really good 3 position depth as a rookie.
i think he has the potential to play anywhere on the o-line if he gets a little bigger…..problem is he had a knee injury in october so idk if he would be ready to start right away in camp…..but your drafting for your long-term future not to fill roster holes right away
That could slow him up some, but in any case – I was lucky enough to get Goff, a 2nd rounder, and 3 O-lineman of quality. I can’t complain.
Gotcha; that is a unique way of looking at things.
You realize there are 13 offensive linemen in camp right now? Chip did try to address the issue but there just weren’t many quality offensive linemen out there. eg. Seattle had a terrible O line during the first half of the season because they were training 2 defensive guys and a tight end to be guards/tackles. Btw, they had Mathis in camp and didn’t keep him, for those who insist that Kelly dumped a star.
http://www.denverpost.com/knowthis/ci_29326184/evan-mathis-benching-among-observations-broncos-snap-count
Its not even that I don’t know about anything with Draftboards and all that what it comes down to is:
we drafted an OLB in the first round who hasn’t been able to get on the field and hasn’t been productive when he has.
For instance Im more comfortable with Bryan fucking Brahman rushing the passer because when he does he can actually get there
I will never root against anybody on this team (Except Greg Hardy Types)
Im hoping a new staff can help him become a better player
What happens to Shaun Huls + the Sports Science staff?
They’re busy selling extra smoothie indigents on eBay for bonus money as their golden parachute prior to being fired.
I reckon a lot of their friends got blenders for christmas this year.
I assume he is married to CK staff. Pretty sure it was a red wedding 😉
Great question though. Now that the initial shock is gone I’m starting to be excited about Eagles football.
CK and Reid burned me out with losing due to the same reasons week in and week out. Reid Not running the ball, stupid time management. CK Sweep after Sweep , Dropped Passes, Amazingly efficient 3&outs.
Worse case scenario we lose in entirely new ways next season!!!
All coaches are still under contract until they are fired. They cannot leave and go to another team unless Lurie let’s them go.
is he considered a coach tho?
Maybe not, but I imagine at a minimum they have contracts for multiple years with a no compete clauses.
Considering you can’t win without a QB in this league, it seems the best approach is to hire someone who can enhance your QB’s potential. We have a talented QB who can make throws that half the QBs in the league cannot. Get Gase in here and have him work his magic with Bradford and we have a foundation to build a team upon. For all his mistakes, Chip did get us a franchise QB.
Sammy haters fire away.
Hue would also have magic to work with Bradford. I think he’s an evil twerp, but McDaniels would as well.
I’m also of the opinion that Shurmur, as OC or HC, would be good for Bradford.
I like Gase or Jackson better. Success at multiple places with different kinds of players.
Mcdaniels scares me because he failed in Denver and has only has success in new england with BB and Tom Brady.
Dialing up Brady to Gronk on 3rd down or redzone makes calling plays and being OC much , Much Easier.
Making Dalton look like an MVP candidate in comparison is practically shooting the moon imo
Shurmer seems a little passive to be HC. After all, he submerged any talent or experience for 3 years just to keep his job. We don’t want another Garrett puppet with the owner/GM pulling all of his strings. The Eagles still need a HC with backbone. At least as long as Roseman is allowed to “evaluate” talent.
Not a Bradford hater but I am wary of committing big money/years to him. However I am intrigued to see what a guy like Gase could do with him.
I think you can use the franchise tag and overall lack of league wide faith in Bradford’s ability to be healthy to get him to sign a 3 year/ $54 million deal.
Sam’s agent is a shark. I guarantee he will have Sam set the market. There will be no shortage of suitors willing to pay him top dollar as hard as that may seem. Injuries aside, Sam could be a stud under the right OC.
I want an OC who will utilize Ertz and our receivers. Ertz may have some drops, but his talent level is on par with Whiten, yet Chip felt it was more important that he block well. I like Gase as well.
BTW, Lurie has made it clear the past few years that a team needs a franchise QB. If Lurie thinks Sam is one, I have no doubt they will break the bank for him and hope he doesn’t get injured. He rolled some serious dice giving Chip the GM job, giving Sam a long-term contract seems to be less of a risk. After seeing his pocket presence and accuracy in the last half of the year, I am a Sam believer.
Gotta franchise him I think
“The thing is, Butch, right now, you’ve got ability. But painful as it may be, ability don’t last. And your days are just about over. Now, that’s a hard motherfucking fact of life. But it’s a fact of life your ass is gonna have to get realistic about. See, this business is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don’t. Besides, Butch, how many fights you think you got left in you anyway? Two? Boxers don’t have an “old timer’s league”. You came close, but you never made it, and ***if you were gonna make it, you would have made it before now.***”
Funny thing about the man who made that quote is that Butch had to bail him out from getting raped.
Our owner took a risk and gave the winning HC everything he asked for. it fell apart misserably and he decided a fresh start was better.
If Howie really did have the best scouting record or whatever Im glad we kept him. Now he should have more responsibility and visibility so if it fails I think Lurie will scrap him too.
What I don’t like is its almost as if everyone has forgotten that CK was Rosemans guy. Shouldn’t he be held accountable for that at the minimum?
CK was everyone’s guy. Lurie is most to blame because if Chip wasn’t given personnel control, DeSean, Maclin, and LeSean would all probably still be here, not to mention Chip himself.
Roseman was still the GM when Desean was let go. And IIRC, there were reports that Roseman was shopping him back channels the year before.
If Chip wanted DeSean, he would still be here.
Maybe, but if neither wanted him here, why would he be? Seems CK is a convenient excuse.
If Howie wanted him and Chip didn’t, I dont believe he would be here.
Howie resigned him to a big contract only 2 years before, same with Shady… think he had no issue with him. I am sure Howie shopped him when Chip wanted him gone but that does not mean Howie was the driving force behind cutting him.
Remember that the rumors were he was on the block even tho he was franchised. Plus he got a new agent after he signed it and they weren’t sure about how he’d be. Especially after 2011.
And, he’s on the verge of being cut in DC. Let’s not make it seem like its just the eagles.
I’d enjoy him being signed back here by the new staff if the price was right. I can bust out my #10 jersey again!
My 3 favorites are hue Jackson, David gase and Darrell bevell who is the Seahawks oc. I want an offensive minded hc who has mostly been exposed to 43 or 34 under fronts
Beast Mode’s mom doesn’t care for Bevell all that much
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/marshawn-lynchs-mom-calls-for-seahawks-to-fire-offensive-coordinator-darrell-bevell/
i’m not sure if some of the Seahawk players don’t care for Bevell either. I always hear a lot of them credit Tom Cable for the run designs and being “under-appreciated” nationally. I hear some people say that the running game that Cable is responsible for is what gives their passing game the success it has obtained and that Russel Wilson’s scrambling ability to buy time makes it look better than it actually is.
The seahawks lost Lynch earlier this season, but their run game didn’t miss a beat with Thomas Rawls getting carries. Also the Seahawks o-line was getting beat badly earlier in the year, but a lot of players credit Cable with turning it around
The ol is the worst unit of the whole Seahawks team yet cable is talked about like he is guru
Mike Tice gets called OL guru but everywhere he goes they are fucking trash.
Forgot about Bevell. Your right he should get consideration whoever he refused to use Jimmy Graham and Percy Harvin. I can see him thinking his system is bigger than the players.
The 1 thing I know for sure in the NFL is : its a players league. How do u not know how to get production from Graham is beyond me
Their offense has taken off since Graham was injured.
So we trade Ertz if we hire Bevell?
Trade Ertz tomorrow. He dropped passes all year, at critical times. When he bothered to hang on, he rarely shed tacklers and only had 2 touchdowns. In his 3rd year. Everybody dropped passes but it seemed that his were at the worst times and he never runs over anybody, like big tight ends are supposed to.
Of course, DJacc had only 2 touchdowns twice in his career, another year with only 4 and one year with only 6, yet some folks still think he is a No. 1 wide receiver. Oh, well.
Did u watch on Sunday? I did. Still think he deserves consideration but I want someone who can adjust the gameplay to what he has on the field.
Didn’t watch but Seattle had clinched a playoff spot the week before and maybe Seattle relaxed.
No they wanted that game.
My point being when u have an all pro player u need to be able to get production out of him. They were trying to use him as an inline blocker and not a pass catcher. That’s fine and all but if that’s the case why trade for the guy?
Bevell would be on my list but that might be one of my first questions. How come Jimmy Graham disappeared in your offense? Is that how u would use Ertz? etc etc
“That’s fine and all but if that’s the case why trade for the guy?”
Exactly! There were better trades to be had given the lack of use of Graham.
To further expand this they gave up a first and a really good center! Russel Wilson, after this year i’m completely sold on him. He pretty much put that team on his back. That Seahawks team was kinda weak on OL (not as bad as us) and they still found a way to win.
I can deal with losing , it happens. What I cant deal with is an owner or coach or players who are ok with losing. Luries message is very clear. He wants to win it all. Nothing else matters, not even back to back 10 win seasons for a rookie head coach.
jimmy g and percy harvin, gave up big $ for both those guys
I guess u can afford that when u hit on draft picks with the new rookie wage scale.
Can u tell Jimmy Graham was on my fantasy football team lol
The funny thing is that ol is terrible yet the combo of lockettin and Wilson has been breaking records.
yea he really is a special player. Hurts more if u believe that the Eagles wanted him in the 3rd round too.
He always strikes me as composed and thats one trait I value in leaders and QBs.
Bradford actually impressed me this year with his composure in the 2nd half of the season. He can also make all the throws. I would prefer to keep him but if we don’t I understand why.
Yea would love to keep Bradford but at a reasonable price
Id be ok with anyone one of those guys
Just saw McLane’s take.
It’s hard for me to read that in the context of what I do know what happened, and not think that the major factor in Kelly being fired was a very dissatisfied locker room.
And yeah, whatever rumors about where Kelly goes next, I suspect prospective employers are approaching him in a far more cautious and…deliberate manner. He can’t be as popular a head coach possibility as his agents plant out in the media. Very likely one of Lurie’s issues was about retaining and attracting player talent, and proposed new GM was for players to interact with in preference as needed.
Not sure if kelly is hireable at the NFL HC level. IF you want to run tempo that’s a whole organization and people see what happened to the defense, makes it even worse if you tried to do it at the OC level, no defensive HC will want to deal w/ that.
Growth mindset. Also, learn from mistakes. ;~).
CK Says that but I never saw him grow. I wish him success in whatever college he chooses to go to
I wonder what the various coaching staff members really think. We know there are Chip Kelly guys, like Azz, but others who’ve been around for a long time, e.g. Duece, guys who spent time with other teams before landing with the Eagles. I wonder to what extent they talked to Lurie or Lurie approached them.
I’d like to approach Duce about his substitution patterns.
I think Jackson as the HC and Pagano as the DC could be a compelling combination.
Sounds like Grigson is another Roseman. Or Jones. Or whoever keeps insisting that Cleveland keep trying to play Manziel.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25434290/report-colts-gm-insisted-chuck-pagano-play-trent-richardson
Been bored waiting for the Sixers game (must loose Hinkie bring out the full tank brigade) so have been starting to read around the draft.
On QB’s:
Have watched some Goff and Lynch already this season and think both are high upside lot of projection guys… but i like both. Cook i am hugely unsure on – like some things, hate some throws he makes, worried about off the field stuff.
Person i know nothing about is Carson Wentz, who some people have as a 1st/2nd guy… anyone got any opinions?
Fecking hell Wentz has hit the HGH hard… 5ft8 and 125 pounds in high school now 6ft5 and 230!
Not sure how i feel about a FCS QB.. has a hell of an arm looking at the North Dakota State vs Montana game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wynwchyYAfs
A bit odd, but my brother was a couple of inches shorter than me at 14 and a full foot taller than me by 18. He was no athlete either. He gained the last 6 inches of height so quickly that it took him a couple of years to stop tripping over the kitchen tiles!
He’s really interesting.
Yeah i agree… fucking scary to take someone who has never even faced bad FBS defenses… but could be a trade down get back our 2nd rounder (and more maybe) and be able to take in either the 1st or 2nd round.
I said that as well earlier!
I am so ready to get overly geeky about the draft – forget the stink of this season and just throw myself in at debating 2nd round OG’s i honestly know fuck all about.
this was my plan as well…..trade back a couple or 8 spots in the draft and take a QB like Wentz if he is there, hopefully you can obtain a 2nd or another 3rd and 4th and just get younger at more positions
You meant to say 2nd AND another 3rd or 4th. Trading down from 8 to where you can still get Wentz should reap a healthy return.
what happened to taking a tackle?
I’m willing to bet that Tunsil and Stanley are gone by then. I don’t like any other tackle that high. I think you can still get some decent O linemen in the 2nd and 3rd.
yea depends on how far you are trading down….i think there are some teams in this draft who have a QB entering his twilight years who could be looking for a replacement or and heir to the throne in the coming years….so i don’t want to go too far down.
i think he impresses at Senior Bowl
I think the Niners go QB and the Saints trade Brees and go QB with a new HC. That should knock Goff and Lynch out of the mix. Somebody reaching for Connor Cook should hopefully leave us the ability to get Wentz (if we want him) at a later in the first round spot.
He beat Iowa State in his first career start
I like Goff, but we he wont be there in the 9-16 range we will be picking. I’ve been looking at guys in the 1st we have a shot at like Ramesy. I think he tops QBs and OTs will be gone before we pick
Well Browns will probably draft a QB.. excluding that, Titans/Chargers/Cowgirls/Dolphins/Jags/Ravens/Bucs/Giants/ Saints all have QB’s… and the 49ers might stick with Kaepernick….
Could have opportunity to jump up or have one of Goff/Lynch fall enough.
The Browns are just as likely to add RG3 and draft another position. Haslem retains a 3 year old hard-on for RG3 and was irked the Browns missed on him.
Yeah lots of ways draft can work out – neither Goff or Lynch are in that slam dunk QB that means people will trade the farm to go up and get…
Manziel and RG3 on the same roster? Browns never change please.
I’m seeing Manziel on the Cowboys.
I don’t see the Niners passing on Goff or the Browns passing Lynch.
Browns are due for a 1st round QB. Unless they get rid off the HC and the new guy doesn’t hate Manziel like Pettine does.
And the Niners don’t want Kaep. That was Harbaugh’s boy. They even went to an offensive system that Kaep cant function in. Right now they have Blaine Gabbert at QB… I’m sure the FO and Coach want to draft their QB
I wouldn’t be shocked if Dallas grabs a QB either. They know Romo is on life support at this point
will be the test for Jerrah if they do think QB… think he is thinking load up with talent for one final ride with Tony… get a RB in the 2nd, get Bosa/Ramsey/Jack with the 1st round pick.
Isn’t his son making the decisions now? I thought that was why they have been making smarter decisions the last few years. I could see them making a final push with Romo
Yeah, the sheer money Romo is still owed into the future would make it unlikely Dallas goes QB in round 1. They could could totally take a guy in round 3 and beyond however. They’re still Romo’s team for 2 more years I think.
RG3 to the Browns. Haslem loves the guy and is still salty they didn’t get him in the 2012. They’ll use their first rounder on something else.
If you were RG3 would you go to the Browns?
What if they trade for him?
RG3 will go wherever someone will offer you the starting gig and like it… and that might just be the browns.
And if they offer him the most money and the starting job without any need to compete for it; yes, I would.
Isnt he already guaranteed 16.5M next year? If Washington trades then aren’t the Brown on hook for that contract?
Yes, but they could also smooth that out by extending him, turning a lot of that into a bonus and working on a 5 year deal for him. There is no limit to any conjecture I can make with that owner.
A lot would have to depend on RG3 then. You think Pettine is still the head coach next year?
No, he’s gone. That’s been reported as well.
First interview question for the new Browns head coach; would you like to have RG3 on a 5, 6, or 7 year contract?
Only if he is on their books on the 5th day of the league year… but year he is getting cut not traded.
Don’t rule out the Browns trading for him.
16.5mil that is fully guaranteed on 6 days into the year + draft pick is a scary big commitment for RG3… if anyone could do it would be the Browns.
That’s why I’m saying don’t rule it out. Haslem explicitly fired front office folks because they failed to pull off a trade for RG3 in 2012.
I’m very big on Carson Wentz, especially if Chip was still here, but i still like him the same. Was a baseball player in high school and got hurt his junior year and he says that led to him not really being recruited by big programs. NDSU is regarded as the “Alabama of the FCS”. He has a real solid arm and is a pretty good athlete for his size. Comes from a pro style offense and does a nice job going through progressions. One of the things i like best about him is how well he moves in the pocket.
His weaknesses are the obvious lack of competition first off, but i think his abilities speak for themselves regardless of who he is playing. He sometimes tries to do too much when breaking the pocket and gets loose carrying the football, let alone he rarely goes down and tries to put his shoulder down to pick up more yards, something tells me he would have learned not to do this if he played in the Big Ten or SEC. And sometimes he gets lazy in setting his feet before he throws which can cause him to be a bit erratic.
I’ve heard several comparisons including Ryan Tannehill, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Ben Roethlisberger…..but i heard one that i like the best and that is pre-injury Carson Palmer. His team plays in the FCS Championship on Jan 9, and there has been rumors of him returning from injury to play, but i doubt it. He injured his wrist about 4 games into this season which is also a slight concern
He’s a guy who I’d love to have sit and learn NFL football for a year or two on the pine behind Bradford.
yes he has to sit a year, def a project, but one i think has a lot of upside…..maybe the most out of any QB in the draft
And we could trade down from 8 and get a ton back and still get Wentz. We’d definitely pick up a 2nd rounder in the process as well.
need a good qb coach.
Shurmur
that reminds me….i wonder if ryan day will be let go?
dennis hickey out in miami — is her terrible?
Have you see the Suh contract?
he’d run personnel dept, not GM. They got jarvis landry so i like their drafting. Tannehill’s contract is terrible.
Part of his responsibilities was the CFL? Is he the one who brought Cameron Wake on board? Maybe he would work for the Personnel Department better than at his (yesterday’s) position as GM.
Wake was signed by Miami years ago, well before Hickey was there.
Didn’t have great rep in TB and got job with Miami mainly because most others declined to interview. The thing is most Miami fans seem to think he was fine as a nuts-and-bolts scout guy and the bigger problem is Tannenbaum who was hired after Hickey’s 1st year as Executive VP of Football Ops and was clearly the lead decision maker despite Hickey having the GM title.
The problem there is meddlesome Ross, but you’re correct that Tannenbaum sucks at life as well.
Would if f-ing kill Okie State to line Ogbah up over Tunsil?
Alex Marvez just tweeted out the Mike McCoy is getting fired on Monday; I’d take him as either head coach or OC here.
Wow 9-7 and a playoff win, another 9-7 year. But i guess if team is moving it’s not bad.
They’re horrible injured at several positions. Really not a lot of talent there, so I don’t see how McCoy get that pinned on him.
From what SDG reporters have said(can’t rely on them too much), it’d be much better to get him as OC paired with a defensive HC than to hire him as HC himself.
I’d buy that for a dollar, but I’d like to see McCoy be able to coach a team where his gets a chance to work with a better roster.
Treadwell is a stud
So to generally update:
Philly
Cleveland
San Diego
Miami
Tennessee
Indy
are the open or soon to be open jobs.
Maybe Giants and Saints as well, but that should be it.
I have to like our chances in that mix.
caughlin is safe?
That’s a “maybe” either way. Who the F knows what’ll happen up there.
Is the Charger job going to be in LA?
Which team do you think has the best roster?
Every one of those rosters has some major holes in it, but I’d most want to work with Andrew Luck, but not for Jim Irsay.
Moving the team to LA might cause Rivers to flip out and demand a trade elsewhere, but the rest of that roster sucks as is.
The Titans have a wacky ownership situation. Haslem and Ross are insane, so would cause one to pause before working in Cleveland and Miami.
The Saints are a hot mess as well.
I think the only job that could out-clout us, but who would want to work for/with Jerry Reece, are the Giants.
I really don’t understand Rivers flipping out over moving to LA. Its like 2-2.5 hours away from SD. He wouldn’t have to move his family if he really didn’t want to. And any other team he goes to is going to be a lot further than 2-3 hours away.
I have to wonder how this new unholy trifecta that is to be our front office is going to look to Coaching candidates.
And Roseman’s legend of being difficult to work with only seems to grow.
I think Roseman being “difficult to work with” is a creation of some local media members who are boys with Joe Banner and a segment of our fan base who doesn’t like him. I have faith that Lurie will sort out what he’d like to see happen to the satisfaction of any head coach he’d like to hire.
And the Rivers thing is weird to say the least.
There is a chance the Roseman thing has been exaggerated… but his name has come up a lot in every a FO issue we have had.
Its hard to know where the fact and fiction begin and end. Even know with this new setup…. I think Lurie needs to give Howie full GM and hold him accountable like Chip or cut bait.
I think it’ll be fine as long as Lurie insists that everybody stays in their lane. And the stuff Mort put out seems to lead to Howie being a true GM and the new front office guy working 100% on personnel end of things. I really think it’ll be just fine.
Thing is we are a big market with a stable owner who is willing to open the checkbook. Colts are a better job due to Luck, but otherwise we can stand side by side most other jobs – everyone who has fired their coach/gm has disfunctional situations places… otherwise people would not have been fired.
And the Colts owner is a crackhead, that can’t be helpful for a calm work environment.
yeah but you get the best young QB in the league, and if you cannot convert that into deep playoff runs then you shouldnt be a top NFL coaching candidate. Hell they could even take a run at Chip.
You might want to reexamine that line of thinking.
http://www.colts.com/team/roster.html
Nobody can block and nobody can defend. Grigson has assembled a putrid roster; that team isn’t going on a deep playoff run until the fix a lot.
yea that team stinks outside of the QB and WR…….it’s why i think Luck is actually kind of underrated, even though Hasselback did well this year
Luck, being a kid, was trying to win every game on one big play rather than just take what was there. He’ll learn.
I mean the O line needs a lot of work… and they need pass rushers in the biggest way (think they should get someone this draft high). I think they have decent cornerbacks, but they were in shit soon as they signed half a dozen guys looking to have one final crack at a SB and then loose Luck for the year – situation will turn toxic fast.
They better hope Luck doesn’t full Carson Palmer and refuse to play for them.
Well Luck has not resigned yet so he could walk in 2020 after 3 tags! That is an interesting situation tho… he could have some serious power if he refuses to extend this year.
lockerroom handling it better than ours
Chuck has more respect than Chip.
I think it’s somewhere in the middle. There’s been some guys he’s clashed with where both parties are to blame and those guys trash him to the media who laps it up. There are other guys who Howie has seemed to get along with.
I sill think it’ll ultimately be whatever Lurie commands it to be. Howie, if nothing else, seems to be able to follow whatever instructions Lurie gives him. So again, I have faith that part of the equation will be structured properly.
just speculating but Rivers seems like a “small-town guy” and may just not like the big volume city that LA is, im not sure exactly how much smaller San Diego is but I imagine he probably more comfortable there, i know he has like 7 kids too so maybe he wants to keep his family where they are.
I’ve never been to LA, let alone California, but i know people who tried moving out there and were back within a year and said they didn’t like it or the people. IDK if anyone else who has been feels the same or what, but in Rivers case…..he doesn’t seem like an “LA guy”
And Tomlinson was quite vocal about that in the summer as well.
Its about an 1 and 56 minutes between the two cities. La is a lot close to SD than any other team he could play for. No reason for him to move his family
Tommy Lawlor, how long have you been – following and reporting on the Eagles ? You know as well as I do, that the Eagles are : NOT going to hire a ( real ) GM. The person who is going to : ” run ” the player personnel department, is only going to be a ( figurehead ) who will ” report to ” Roseman. Everything is going to revert to – pre Kelly. Roseman will run the department and there will be ( college and pro ) mid level executives, reporting to ” only ” Roseman…… Period. Roseman will not now, nor ever will, relinquish ( any ) power or control of personnel department. If he had any sense and real desire to help Lurie win a Super Bowl for the fans – he would recruit, either – Terry McDonough / Arizona Cardinals – Vice President player personnel or Brandon Beane / Carolina Panthers – Assistant General Manager. BUT Roseman would never do that because : these men have GM aspersions, and deserve the opportunity to elevate to that position. They would be a THREAT to his ( desire for power and control. ) If Roseman really cared about – bringing a Championship to Philadelphia, for the fans and Lurie: he would keep his current position – hire one of the previously mentioned GM candidates. The city’s fans would change their perception of him, and embrace him for trying to bring us a Super Bowl.
Fuck; should we all just kill ourselves now or just wait for Lurie to figure this out?
Do what you have to do.
This is just the troll w/another name.
It is laughable. Howie is Lurie’s guy. What power Howie accrues is precisely what Lurie wants him to have. In lieu of an autonomous, effective FO, Eagles have “collaboration” where the hired HC will get as much of his foot in the administrative door as he is able to convince Lurie that his “FO” is not getting it done. Lurie is the de facto FO boss, and he wants a full-service HC to get him off the hook.
Why would Howie hire some other guy to be GM when he’s the best around? That would be like Bill Belichick hiring Rich Kotite to run the Patriots.
Tommy’s attack dog / PR guy, strikes again. Worst part ….. dumb statement ….. if it was even a SERIOUS one ?
I respect the heck out of Lurie as an owner. However, I gotta say he has me a bit perplexed in light of recent events. It’s obvious he wants to restructure the hierarchy and alignment of power in the Eagles front office. Okay, I get that. It does appear highly reactionary based on player comments (Jason Kelce made it fairly obvious that he believed adding a ton of new players through free agency can create a fragmented environment). Obviously that was the case with Andy Reid’s ‘Dream Team’ and poorly thought out coaching plans (hired Washburn then promoted Juan Castillo to DC). So why then did Lurie and Roseman sit idly while Chip dismantled the roster? Doesn’t Lurie have the power to step in and question Chip’s moves. I mean, he is the one who writes the checks, right?
I dunno, it just bothers me. You saw this same thing happen before and saw it happen again in front of your eyes and did nothing about it. So what’s going to change now? And what if it’s you and your front office that’s the problem? What their timeline looking like?
Thing is i don’t buy the whole dismantled the roster thing people are running with. They seem to be implying that this was a well coached team lacking the talent to succeed. It wasn’t.
Offensively we were 27th in DVOA, but 16th on defense yet continued to run our super high pace. That is bad coaching. The stupid offensive penalties is not poor players.. its bad coaching. the lack of ability to get young play makers but leaving Cooper/Austin being single covered is poor coaching. The inability to make offensive adjustments to get our run game going is bad coaching.
Chip failed because he made high profile high risk personnel moves and that left him vulnerable. He is fired because of his poor offensive coaching, weak game management and lack of ability to adjust for to the situation.
This defense can be good if allowed to blossom, and this offense can be better in the right hands.
I agree with you that the team’s struggles can’t be solely or even mostly blamed on the FAs. While I agree that trying to win now via FA is ultimately a bad idea, again, I don’t think that was the main issue this year. It definitely took the OL a while to gel, but even when they did, they were ineffevtive in the run game and commuted lots of penalties.
However, I disagree with you that Kelly was fired due to the 6-9 year. While there were definitely coaching and personnel problems aplenty, I think Lurie typically would have been willing to give Chip another year.
I think the main reason Lurie released Chip was because he lost the locker room. Even Jenkins and Graham who have been supportive of Chip basically say that Chip micromanaged and credited a poor culture. Chip could not get the best from this team. To the point where Lurie himself felt the need to interact with the guys and make them neato t-shirts. That’s not cool.
Chip alienated the players, the FO, and the owner. That’s ultimately why he is gone imho.
He didn’t dismantle the roster per se, but his actions and inaction directly led to our failures this year.
Getting Bradford was the right move, but it takes time to get acclimated to a new system. There’s no doubt in my mind that we would have won against ATL, Wash (1st time around), and Dallas had Bradford been playing the way he is now.
Trading our franchise’s best RB and one of the more beloved figures in Philly for an underachieving LB and salary space undoubtedly sent the wrong message to the players. Then following up by spending an exorbitant amount of $$$ on a flashy RB who didn’t fit our system was just reckless at best.
Allowing your top WR two years in a row to walk set a horrible precedent. Having no plan whatsoever to address your aging and depleted OL was a recipe for disaster. Why does Kendricks, an erratic player, get a fat contract but we had no extra $$ for Shday, JMac, or Djax?
Ironically, I do think Chip made the defensive talent better (huge ? at LB though) and upgraded the QB position. None of it mattered bc he couldn’t foster an environment that was conducive to the team.
Back to my main point though. Lurie set Chip up to fail. He did. Chip had an amazing first year and a solid 2nd year. However, we could see down the stretch in 2014 that there were some major concerns with the team. Why in the world did Lurie give Chip so much power based off 2 good seasons? Zero playoff wins yet he’s given the keys to the franchise. Lurie should have held firm and said no or at least said okay on the condition that you win a playoff game first. Chip got drunk off his new found power and it led to his own (and the team’s) demise.
Now Lurie wants to create a more collaborative approach to managing the team. Who’s to say he won’t get enamored with Roseman – much like he did with Chip – and entrust him with too much power? Say what you want about Roseman (I’m lukewarm) but he has no experience in building a true winner.
At the end of the day I don’t care who gets the credit. I just want to see us build a winner. If this the approach it will take to win, so be it. I just want see a SB Championship in my lifetime – preferably before I reach 50 (I’m 33 now).
Lurie’s going for the set up a lot of baseball teams do now. Head of operations——>day to day GM—->coach. Phillies have this setup currently. It works just fine as long as all 3 have the same general vision for how to build and run a team. That was the main failure with Chip. Howie and him vehemently disagreed on how to construct a team through draft/FA which led to the giant clusterfuck between Howie/Chip/Gamble. Lurie (for better or worse) still believes in Howie. One of the problems with Chip is he just saw Howie as a numbers nerd (remember his backhanded complement last year about Howie being good with cap stuff) so I think Lurie still wants Howie in charge but wants to bring in a ‘football guy’ that gets along with Howie (unlike Tom Gamble) and has the respect of the new coach to get him the players he will want. I’d much rather Lurie dump Howie and start from scratch but for whatever reason he thinks Howie is the next Bill Polian so hopefully he learned from his mistakes and doesn’t make them again.
Recent article on John Dorenbos
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/02/sports/football/eagles-snapper-used-magic-to-fix-shattered-childhood.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone
Nice story that has been well documented in the past, but can he use some of that magic to fix some of his snapping problems from this year?
Do you think the changes on the OL might’ve affected him, in that the OG either side of him is different this year? Or do we not run our regular line for STs? I’m usually too busy watching the other team to notice.
I’m not sure about the blocking unit as a whole on kicks, but I do know that his snaps weren’t where we’d want them this year.
Yep and the older a LS gets the less effective they are on the coverage teams. He’s also one of the highest paid LSs so once he shows signs of falling off you need to be start scouting for his replacement.
He’s 35. Sad to say, but the writing is on the wall.
Second rate hack journalism: not one picture of his wife.
[…] Front Office Update – Iggles BlitzThe Eagles are not going to hire a GM. They apparently are going to hire someone to be the head of the personnel department. Donahoe is in that role for now. The scouts who are out in the field need someone to report to. They can’t wait for a new hire. Donahoe has been part of the Eagles organization since 2012 so he knows the scouts and has a relationship with Roseman. That makes him a good temp hire. We don’t have any names linked to the opening so far. Scott Fitterer from Seattle is the guy I wanted last year, but he ended up getting a promotion there and staying put. I doubt he would leave, but I’d love to see the Eagles at least call him and feel out the situation. […]
So we need to see bit wins tomorrow out of some combination of:
Baltimore, Miami, Jacksonville, Chicago (although I’m not sure what that does to our extra 3rd rounder vs. the spot in the first round, so maybe Detroit), New Orleans, and Tampa in the quest to get the Eagles the best possible draft pick. Failure to assist in this effort will result aggressive admonishments!
Think regardless of results we will be behind Ravens, Phins and Jags due to strength of schedule difference. Teamsvwe want wins from are Lions, Bucs and Saints…. But most importantly a won for the Giants. (Bears have higher SOS due to NFC north)
In all cases, tomorrow had better end with everything breaking the Eagles way for draft pick! We need the help.
Everything will except the Eagles will blow it and beat the Giants.
That is unacceptable and overly fatalistic.
I will be furious if we win, Howie needs to be ordering a full rookie approach with 40+ Murray runs to protect Bradford and get him some form… Wink wink
You do that and all of a sudden Murray chooses this game to all of a sudden play well and gashes the Giants. It’s the Eagles’ fate.
I would blame chip for how poorly he used murray the other 15 games, more than I blame Murray for playing well when put into a better position.
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Which is why I would prefer benching the starting QB,OL, and play Barner the entire game …
Unfortunately i don’t see us losing this game… I don’t like to Gamble, but I might have to put down some cash on an Eagles win. i would be SHOCKED if we actually Lose when it helps us to lose…
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I expect to be extremely frustrated tomorrow, after a Terrible season of putrid play to have to watch these idiots win a game that does more harm than good
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I never wanted To be more wrong in my life
Or they can lose and blow the pick.
Jeff Stoudtland stay or go?
Stay if the coach wants him, but he can’t make gold from lead.
I want the Wr coach GONE!!!
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I like Minter the ILB coach, but I have a hard time justifying keeping his job in a meritocracy… Kendricks had a Terribke year under minter.. But he did do great with Hicks, and I can’t blame him for Kiko’s injured body or Mufasa getting hit by father time..
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The OLB coach Mike McGovern has done a good job transitioning BG to OLB, but we may be able to use a new voice to try and improve their pass rush
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Id keep Azzinaro, but doubt he stays without chip
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Stoutland is interesting, we had him run an athletic zone scheme, but he came from Bama Power scheme… With our Power RB, WOULDNT mind switching to a more powers based OL with some road Grading Guards to protect a smaller Kelce
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Undlin I think did a great job for a new secondary coaching 4 starters who had never played together. He tirned Thrumond into a great safety wth no experience, made sure ROWE got better as the yeàr unfolded, and got Jenkins to play the best ball of his career..
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What about DUCE Staley? Will be remain a coach of the Eagles?
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What about our Long time TE coach?
I know I want a offensive minded hc but what do people think of jim Schwartz? Guy can coach the hell out of a defense, he just needs a good oc
Apparently has a strong-willed personality and clashed with his front offices, so probably not the best fit.
I’ve mention Schwartz a couple of times. When I thought we we’re going to fire Billy Davis, he was my no.1 choice for our DC, but im not particularly fond of him as a Head Coach. Ironic, since i just wrote a post about how most SB winning coaches failed their first HC job. Schwartz was just so bad in Detroit. But he sure as shit can coach a defense and i’d love Cox to do what Hayensworth and Suh did for Schwartz.
Ironically, I’m personally a fan of defensive minded HCs, but I think theres better offensive coaches available. My favorite setup right now, although not my personal preference, would be either David Shaw or Adam Gase as HC, Mike McCoy as OC and Jim Schwartz as DC. Maybe i’d throw Mike Pettine as a potential DC too, but I haven’t kept up with him in Cleveland.
Game, McCoy and Schwartz would be perfect
I like petine, but I prefer the 43 so he is down my list
Afc current list of playoffs qbs…besides Brady and Smith (3) the rest Osweiler Mccarron r. Fitz and Hoyer all with 0 NFL playoff snaps….wow. I’m on the fence with Bradford but we might need to see him in another system. (Another season lost?). Of those listed above I take Bradford over Os. And Hoyer.
What if you get another year of Braford with Shurmur here and a similar passing system, but better run play execution / play calling?
Do you see Shurmur as a possible HC here. I’m sure he has gleaned through the good and bad with Chip, along with his time with the Browns. And how about Chip landing an NFL HC job for 2016, think he lands on his feet somewhere? Haven’t felt this bad about a firing since Buddy.
I do, but I’m a Shurmur fan. I think I’d be in the minority however.
I’m with you… I like Shurmurs chill, but no nonsense personality and he has unique experiemce seeing SAM in Chips system and in a pro system as a rookie… I wouldn’t at all complain about Shurmur being our next coach, but I don’t really expect that to happen… I think it’s more likely that he is a part of the next coaching staff than it is of him becoming our coach… But I wpipdmt hate it
hard to see him being here in new regime. Getting a decent HC that has howie as gm and can’t pick oc? This is why i think firing chip was a bad idea vs trying to course correct him.
Sam could be great but you just don’t know enough but in order to see him progress you’d want to keep him in the same system, that’s hard to do now.
I’d laugh if we turn into a playoff team next year w/ guys that chip acquired. Think it’s very possible.
It’s absolutely possible because Chip wasn’t very flexible with the guys he brought to Philly who didn’t work out…. The most he did to try and salvage the Murray signing was to let him run from under center like 5’times this year…l odds are that the next coach cares more about running plays that can get the most out of Murray, instead of giving up on him because he doesn’t fit the unique system you are trying to prove works at this level.
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When chip made a personnel mistake, he wasnt willing enough to make scheme changes to try and get more out of the player. His answer was to continue running his shotgun offense and sit Murray on the bench..
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Hopefully new coach cares more about running whatever gets the most from his players, instead of quitting on a player when he doesn’t fit a specific unique scheme…. So I wouldn’t at all be surprised if we see instant improvement
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Heck just going back to properly respecting the importance of time of possession should have massive improvements on this team across the board starting with the defense,,
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Putting an end to going as fast as you can at all time, and an end to silly judging games by how many plays we got to run, Chip valued QUANTITY, going back to focusing on Quality could have big instant improvements. Chip practiced so fast that he didmt stop to correct mistakes on the field, but you can’t correct mistakes and add it to your muscle memory data base by ONLY correcting mistakes in a class room… Going so fast so you can focus on Quantity instead of Quality is my biggest problem, and it showed on the field with all the stupid fundamental flaws that were never corrected… We moved too fast to put in enough attention to detail, and it was reflected on the field that all season exhibited poor fundamentals, and consistent mistakes that define a poorly coached team… How many dumb mistakes killed us all year and were Never corrected?
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peiple rip Chip the GM, who has made a lot of bad mistakes, but I’m starting to think Chip the coach, made chip the GM look even worse, not the other way around, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bradford has a better year next year, if Murray has a better year, if Kiko has a better year… I wouldn’t be surprised if the next coach unifying this team, slowing it down so we can really correct fundamental flaws and have a better attention to detail, shows us that Chip the GM, wasn’t as Terrible as it seems today, and that Chip the coach was more to blame than we think…
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Right now the consensus is chip is a good coach, and his GM decisions killed him…. I will NEVER say chip was a good GM, because he didn’t respect value and assets. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the next coach gets more out of the players that to look like a GM failure today, which would be a terrible indictment of chip the coach..
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Chip the coach seems to be getting a pass, and Chip the GM is taking the Heat…. I Could see the next coach, showing that Chip the coach was a bigger problem that we think today…
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I think Chip has the capability of becoming a fantastic pro coach, but that can only happen if he evolves and starts to care more about winning, then caring about winning by proving your alternative methods work, and so far his Ego hasnt allowed him to evolve the way I had hoped.
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I’m conflicted, part of me wanted to see if this Embarressing season would have forced chip to evolve, but part of me is relieved that I won’t have to hold my breath all offseason worrying if chip will finally check his ego enough to evolve..
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I think Chip can become a Great Pro Coach, but I don’t believe that will EVER happen until he realizes that time of possession is more important at this level than he is willing to admit, and it’s not just about guys standing around wasting time in a huddle. It’s so much more important than that, and until he gives it the respect it deserves, he will never have sustained success at the elite pro level. The competition is too good at this level, he needs to make a fundamental chamge and stop caring about Quantity (# of plays you run), and start focusing on QUALITY of plays we run
I’d be on the Shurmur bandwagon. He knows the players. and wouldn’t be scraping the whole system. Judging by his pressers he’s a good communicator, but how does he get along with the front office, mainly Roserat.
Probably quite well if you consider Howie to be an Eagles lifer and Andy Reid’s guy! Shurmur is also Andy Reid’s boy.
If eagles won last week…and this week…would CK have lasted til next season? The firing was so quick..I’m thinking no.
Tough to say. Jimmy Johnson was fired abruptly due to his tumultuous relationship with Jerry Jones. I think the losing record and embarrassing fashion in which the Eagles were losing gave Lurie all the ammo he needed to fire Chip without reservations.
This team would have been a 1 and done playoff team anways – unless they got matched up with Minny and I could possibly see us beating them.
Again, it’s really tough to say. How much of this had to do with Chip’s leadership style vs. results? That’s the key question we don’t really have an answer for.
[…] Front Office Update – Iggles BlitzThe Eagles are not going to hire a GM. They apparently are going to hire someone to be the head of the personnel department. Donahoe is in that role for now. The scouts who are out in the field need someone to report to. They can’t wait for a new hire. Donahoe has been part of the Eagles organization since 2012 so he knows the scouts and has a relationship with Roseman. That makes him a good temp hire. We don’t have any names linked to the opening so far. Scott Fitterer from Seattle is the guy I wanted last year, but he ended up getting a promotion there and staying put. I doubt he would leave, but I’d love to see the Eagles at least call him and feel out the situation. […]
I’ll be curious to see once a new coaching regime comes in if they get rid of some of the more expensive special teamers who don’t really play offense or defense (Braman, Maragos, and Seyi). One thing I think everyone can agree on is that Chip took special teams very serious.
I’m kind of tired of thinking about what could/should have been and what happened… I’m looking ahead… but it seems that Chip has blown all his credibility. There are always two sides to every story yet after reading all the articles about the climate of the team, it seemed downright toxic… and the results on the field clearly were a reflection of that toxic climate. Who would hire him as an NFL HC now?
Reuben Frank – KILL YOURSELF!
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/carolina-panthers-defensive-coordinator-sean-mcdermott-perfect-fit-eagles-head-coach
This piece of trash article is a combination of historical fan fiction and something an agent would write about a client.
It totally glosses over the following:
– McDermott’s terrible attitude – He cried and whined about being 12th in yards allowed when pressed about other horrible and more important aspects of his coaching.
– players didn’t like what he did – http://articles.philly.com/2011-01-17/sports/27033114_1_eagles-safety-quintin-mikell-new-coordinator-defensive-backs-coach
– out of town writers knew he sucked – http://www.startribune.com/red-zone-d-sends-up-red-flag/111729929/
– red zone red zone red zone red zone – http://bleacherreport.com/articles/574023-report-philadelphia-eagles-fire-defensive-coordinator-sean-mcdermott
Putting forth a despicible failure like McDermott for the head coach of this team is reckless and presents a hazard to our attempt to build a winner again.
Just because I guy goes to a ready-made situation, running the head coach’s system, and with multiple pro bowl / all pro players drafted for him, it doesn’t make him a good DC…….let alone a viable head coaching candidate.
Look this is all agent driven… McDermott will be a HC candidate, and by making his last team appear ‘interested’ regardless of previous failure will help when other teams come look. Frank is writing the fluff piece off the work of the agents pr, with the understanding he will have ‘news’ passed on to him in the future.
If McDermott had a bad relationship with the players while he was here the Eagles will not be hiring him… may still interview as an assist to the agent again but will not be a real target.
Think the criticism of him is a little harsh however… yes the Panthers have some good players… but they do not have an elite pass rusher (Allen is declining), or dominant DL, have fucking Kurt Coleman and Roman Harper as Safeties, and Tillman as the 2nd CB, the panthers defensive coaching staff is doing a great job.
Kawan Short and Star are very high quality DTs who push the pocket. Greg Hardy was dominant there and Charles Johnson isn’t chopped liver. Keuchley is amazing and Davis is just as good.
And nothing he’s done with Rivera over his shoulder un-does anything he did so poorly here.
Not saying they don’t have good players.. Josh Norman, Keuchley and Davis are all stars, and they have a deep DL with some good peices… but not a dominant unit. They are doing a great job imho, and he has a part of that.
Think coming in and taking over from a HOF quality DC, with an aging/declining unit and learning is not an easy situation to look good or succeed in. Not saying he was good, but the situation made it look worse.
However there was enough talent left over to be 12th in yard, but when asked to actually coach it in tough situation he failed miserably. The 3 decade futility mark in red zone D is something that cannot be explained away by personnel; it is chess matching coaching at its very core.
And the following JJ and new to the job business was totally valid for 2009, but McDermott’s schemes grew dumber in 2010.
I simply will not consider him to be anything other than a complete and total dolt given what we saw here.
That defense is all Rivera
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Ask Vikings fans about hiring a guy with a very short resume who was essentially the valet parker for a head coach who ran things on that side of the ball.
Brad Childress.
McDermott, as a head coach, would be the exact same scenario.
Even if THATS not the case, give me like 8 straught years of spending first round pick on Defenders, and you can coach them for all I care..
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More impressed with Mike Shula, who designed an offense that maximizes the talents of his players and got more out of those average weapons than anyone ever expected going into the season when the narrative was that they had no weapons
The only thing I like about McDermott is the possibility of Keeping Shurmur on as the OC
Not worth it.
Shurmur also has so much experience in this league, that McDermott probably isn’t the Only guy you can find who would be willing to make Shurmur the OC… Even if the next coach doesn’t know Shurmur well, if the next coach plans to retain Bradford, he could value Shurmurs experience in different schemes with SAM, and Shurmur can also help the next coach and the players bridge the gap from chips system to the new offense, and help players transition to a new scheme easier, as well as keeping some of Chips principles that actually worked well, since it wasn’t all terrible under chip…. Even if the next coach doesn’t know Shurmur, he still may see the values n keeping him on the staff
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But yeah, not a fan of McDermott, rather have Shurmur has the HC
That’s fine. Just no McDermott.
I’m really warming up to the idea of retaining Shurmer on staff as the Offensive Coordinator, for the exact same reasons that you stated. Continuity..incorporating the best of Chips principles, conditioning, concepts etc. and discarding the ones that didn’t work. marrying those principles with more traditional NFL concepts ( AUDIBLES, variance of tempo etc.)
When Lurie mentioned the need to understand philly as a requirement ..the coaches that came to mind were McDermott, Greg Roman (Jersey guy, grew up as an eagles fan) Teryl Austin (born and played in pennsylvania) John Harbaugh, David Culley and Gruden (former philly coaches).
Then again it could’ve been just a line to get the fanbase excited or something not meant too literally.
Please no. That is like picking a Presidential candidate out of the field of losers we have to chose from. We all lose because someone who would do a really good job was never asked.
I don’t like McDermott at all.. So I don’t disagree with you.. But I worry about LURIE talking about the importance of a HC who undestands this unique city. Not sure how you can understand playing in this city, if you never worked in this city…. Unfortunately Arians and Bowles were our chances at a coach I like who has Philly experiemce..
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When LURIE talks about the next coach needing to understand Philly, if he isn’t talking about McDermott, what other candidate fits that requirment? john Gruden? Doubt he would work in a division and be in direct competitipn with his brother… John Harbaugh? Probably not getting Fired. Sean Peyton? He would take the Colts or Giamts job before he takes the Eagles job….
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I see your point, but I think that too many people are reading into that fact. Most seem to think that Lurie telegraphed his choice of HC with that one comment. I think not. Chip came here and put up a wall around him and ignored the history and philly fan viewpoint on this team. His comments about Dallas and NY Midgets being just another game is what I think Lurie is talking about. A coach could easily come in with no experience with the Eagles and learn about the history and traditions of this team and the fans. You simply need someone who is more open minded and less obtuse about what is happening around you.
You are probably right…. at least I hope
So, there’s no way that we lose Bradford for nothing right? No front office let’s a commodity at QB walk in FA. So at worst we’ll franchise tag him and then trade him to the highest bidder. Apparently the Browns were offering a first rounder last year. I’d have to assume that we’d be able to use some sort of tag and trade him to a QB needy team and at least recoup that lost 2nd round pick…right? Or am I missing something? Don’t let me down, Howie. Either resign this kid or get a premium pick back for losing him. If he simply walks in FA I might just start watching another team.
You literally can’t just hand a coach who seemingly has no big picture or long term building concerns full control, allow him to make a bunch of win now moves that hurt you’re team long term and then fire the guy less than a year in. Either someone with veto power exists in your organization to help plan for the future or you truly go all in with a coach and give him the job security necessary to make long term plans.
Trading a guy off of a tag can be tricky. I think we did it with Corey Simon, but you’d need Bradford’s agent to have a lot of stuff worked out with the new team first. At best, I’d expect a 5th rounder for Bradford in that scenario. Better than nothing, but maybe it could be done post-draft for a sliding 2017 pick or picks.
If all you’d get is a 5th, you’re better off not franchising him, letting him go and getting the comp pick back.
That’s dangerous calculus unless you can 100% guarantee me that we’ll get a 3rd round comp pick for Bradford. I’d rather he be here on the one year tag at $20 mil than not.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2007/7/2/95420/12814
I stand corrected, we couldn’t get anything for Simon and cut him.
Its quite possible because the options aren’t pretty. We can’t resign him until a new coach arrives and gives his input on what he wants at QB. A franchise tag would be big money for 1-year $20-$25 million. That’s a large chunk o’ change that could be used elsewhere and lots of elsewhere needs help. Once tagged, a trade would be really difficult because the partner team would want to renegotiate the contract and that can only happen if Bradford & agent agree.
Not impossible, but nothing can get answered until we have a HC in place.
The tag won’t be more than $20. That $25 million figure that dirty liars like Elliot Parks keep putting out there is only for the exclusive rights tag; we’re not that worried about losing Bradford.
Will be in that price range… and If I am Bradford i play out the year on that deal and come around again… sees his fit with the new coach and the market is only going north from here…
And that depends on Bradford’s risk tolerance.
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One commenter — whose name is unspeakable — has repeatedly said Bradford must be kept from reaching the FA market.
The only way to do that is with the Exclusive FA Tag at $25 million.
Maybe this commenter is also ESP. Similar level of accuracy on past Eagles’ moves.
Ha ha ha ha. I dare you to find me a team that would surrender two of their #1 picks to sign Bradford away from us on the regular tag.
And I’d be happy to have Cleveland’s next two #1 picks if that’s the case.
I get why the transition tag at $18 mil would be a risk, but the regular tag (and the heavy draft pick penalty for using it) is enough of a deterrent in my eyes.
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I’m with you. Good call.
The go to guy on all tag / cap / contract ramifications is usually Joel Corry if you’re financial type reading. He’s damn bright.
Thx. Will make a note on Corry.
Ouch, damn
We can always use the transition tag and we can always rescind the tag if we can’t work out a reasonable trade with a team that Bradford would be open to signing a long term deal with.
I’m just saying there’s no way he just leaves in FA with nothing else happening.
There’s only so many teams that have a need at QB and would want Bradford and would be willing to pay him what he wants for a long term deal. And they’re probably going to be the same teams that would be willing to trade a draft pick for him. So I don’t see the deal being dependent on needing him to want to sign a long term contract with that team to be all that prohibitive.
And transition tag will only cost us $18 mil.
The franchise tag is $20M plus. That’s quite a lot of cap room to devote for one season to a guy that you don’t know if you can build around as a long-term answer because he’s on a 1-year contract. You can’t plan on franchise-tagging a guy and trading him because he can simply sign the contract and you’re tied to him. I think they’ll have to extend him or let him go. Letting him go will result in what will likely be a 3rd round comp pick in the 2017 draft.
No, $20 million tops.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25378860/agents-take-von-miller-headlines-2016-franchise-tag-candidates
Even if we tag him, it’s probably just a strategic way of keeping him from getting bid on the open market, and buy more time to keep exclusive negotiating rights until we work out an extension.
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Even if we Tag SAM, I would assume he gets extended before he ever plays a single game on the Franchise Tag…. But who really knows what this regime has in mind
I thought he had no trade value last year at 12 mil. He has substantially increased his value with no monetary amount attached. Not sure how he looks at 20 mil.
Still think you tag him and over pay for a year and see where you are next winter.
Losing Braford would be the biggest mistake we could possibly make… Kid can play
I understand your point and agree that he has value and you do not want to just lose that value, especially since it is tied to a 2nd round pick that we lost to get him. That said, I think it all hinges on the coaching pick. I believe that is part of why Lurie decided to move on this so early vs most teams.
I hope that there is more to the timing of the firing, than just wanting to be first in line to Interiew one of the Panther Coordinators during their bye week
When we thought Chip was here I felt Sam needed ti be back. Giving him another year in this offense and a healthy offseason and expected good improvement. Yet with the coaching change I now prefer a young QB for the coach to groom.
I’d Franchise Bradford so we own his rights. I doubt Cleveland is still intersted, especially with a new head cosch likely, so lets say they draft a QB. I’d really try to put a package together for the #3 pick from the Chargers. You end up with Goff or Lynch. You then have the ability to trade Sam Bradford. The 49ers, Jets, Texans, and possibly the Saints (depending on if they want to move in from Breese due to age/contract) will all be in the market for a QB.
If all the attempts to get either Lynch/Goff fail we still have Bradford and can evaluate him for another year
couglin to resign monday
Resign as in “to step down,” or resign as in “to sign again?”
And why are they spelled the same?
step down – but wonder if they just elevate macadoo and no other changes. will GM be gone too?
I hope they elevate MacAdoo and keep the GM. Easier for us to stay ahead of the Giants.
That’s good. Giants should come out tomorrow fired up for Tom and kick our ass giving us a better draft spot.
Coughlin, for all his faults, has been an excellent coach for them. Think he’s very likely to get into Canton and deservedly so.
All the best to Tom. Will miss his red face on Sundays.
I think that ODB vs our CB’s will take care of that.
Didn’t keep them from getting crushed 27-7 last time.
Trade us ODB while he’s at it.
hopefully they promote spags to head coach
Why would anyone want Hackenbergbas their developmental QB?
Arm talent. Freshman year tap with O’Brien.
Cannot play him as a rookie however. He needs to relearn good habits in the NFL.
4th or 5th round player at best.
I agree. More upside than Barkley who we wasted a 4th round pick on.
Duce Staley was just interviewed by the Eagles for the HC job.
You’re trolling.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/683352025233494016
No, they’re trolling us.
At least we would know that he has the RB rotation down pat.
Yeah; rotate out whoever I have on my fantasy team for somebody who I don’t. Thanks Duce.
Schefter quoting who? Some unknown ESPN troll?
Rooney rule…. Check!
Hue Jackson is fine for that rule………and should be the coach.
I think they have someone in mind
If that person is McDermott I hope everybody involved has their “mind” sprayed all over the wall from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
We’re getting McDermott and Kaep. Smile 🙂
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
just a show of respect and courtesy given to an in house candidate before we start interviewing outsiders for the job
It addresses Rooney Rule, and it, more importantly, says “thanks” to a great “team” guy.
2nd half valid. Rooney rule won’t be needed due to hiring Hue Jackson.
Well, they got the silly Rooney Rule requirment out of the way first and foremost…
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I forget, what was Duce’s pre Chip coaching experience?
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Certainly would understand this unique city… Wonder how current players would feel about DUCE as the HC? Not that I think it will actually happen
Lurie and Howie are trolls
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14485316/duce-staley-interviews-philadelphia-eagles-vacant-coaching-job
But good for Duce.
Like 2013, I think we will see a good Eagles team next year. This year was so Toxic (like 2012), that Change will initially be positive and lead to a solid 2016 Eagles team…. The question is what happens after next year when the newness of the Coachng change is gone? We saw Chips teams in a steady downward trajectory since the 2013 success, so I think changing the Toxic situation will have big impact on the team initially, not to mention guys re-focused worrying about their place under the next coach, and in a division that lacks talent, I think the initial effects of the coaching chamge will lead to a quality 2016 Eagles team.
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But when we see success next year, we have to learn from how we got carried away with Chips initial success, And wait to see what happens in year two before we are really ready to commit to the next coach… After next years success, will the new coach get us to improve in year 2? Or will the initial boost from the coaching change wear off and start to see a decline like we saw under chip after the 2013 season?
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Just look at the initial Jolt the Falcons got from the coaching change this year. They started off as world beaters, but that Quickily changed and it was a nose dive from there…. The inital jolt of energy from the Miami and Detroit coaching firings. Those wore off too.
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So this time, we need to learn and do better and not get carried away with the initial success from the coaching change, and wait to see what the coach can do after the newness of the change wears off,,, a hard lesson learned from the mad scientists blowing up Novacare
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Just changing to value time of possession and a commitment to Quality over Chips Quantity should have Huge positive impacts initally… But we learned that it’s not the initial success that matters, it’s can you build on that initial success, andy could, and we grew into a contender in 3 years, chip couldnt and itwas all down hill after the 2013 success…
I may be in the minority, but I am super excited that Duce interviewed always was an extremely sharp guy who not only Andy Reid fawned over but Chip did also, I don’t think this was just for the Rooney rule. If he gets the job I think it would be a strong hire.
I find Duce to be a guy who we shouldn’t have started over Ricky Watters and steals money from people by making far too frequent substitutions of our starting RB.
Frustrated me to death as a player !!! Was never a fan. Thot he wasnt very good
Solid team guy. Grinder. Good 3 down player.
Soooooooooo inferior to Ricky Watters and B West.
Just a guess but I am not sure he was making all the calls with the running backs. Just a thought based on how he used shady in previous years.
Are you sure about that? I had Shady on several fantasy teams where he got “Duced” out of sufficient carries; especially on goal line.
MM:
Accepting as true Kelly’s statement that Duce decided which RB would be in for which plays, his choices were frustrating.
Do you think Duce was deciding *all* the time? Most? Some?
Or following Kelly’s orders, except when a RB tapped out?
I actually believe Kelly here because I had maximum hatred of Duce’s rotation of Shady out of the game prior to Chip being here.
Does duce stay or go? Does shurmer even get a courtesy interview?
TBD and I’d assume yes.
Does anybody care to postulate how long it will take Tommy to get the next post up after this debacle of a loss by Penn State?
Don’t really think its possible for Fans or media to have any idea who the best candidate is for this job. We all form opinions on favorites and guys we hate, but it’s important to remember that these opinions we form are based off of a minuscule Fraction of all the Info that plays into this… So I don’t even bother presuming To have any clue who is the best choice for this job, im more interested in Guys who I want the Eagles to interview. There is no way we can accurately judge the hire without even sitting in on the interviews. there is also the problem that even if we correctly identify the best man for the Job, it’s not even close to a lock that we can land the guy we want when we are competing with teams That offer candidates a chance to coach Luck, Eli, Mariota. We have to Hope that the best man for this job is excited to coach SAM Bradford, which isn’t completely out of the question. pop in any of the last 8 games and you will see a QB playing the posituon at a level we would be very fortunate to have lead us the next few years, the Only negative is the health questions, but he showed a lot this year in that regard as well.
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I have No idea who I want the Eagle to Hire, but I do feel strongly about guys I want us to Interview: In No particular order..
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Mike Shula, Panthers OC, designed an offense that does a great job of maximizing his players talemts, and got a lot out of an offense that was said to have one of the worst arsenals of weapons in the league, much more impressed with Shula than MCDermott.
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Gase.,I could see value in a Gase/Shurmur/Bradford partnership
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Hugh Jackson… All the pro offensive experience we could ask for
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I want to interview Greg Roman. Very Intruiging run game coordinator. Designed a nice offense for the Bills, and you know he had zero Imput from Rex Ryan… Brings a ton of Variety to his rushiñg attacks, and VARIETY is one off the biggest aspects that we lacked under Chip.
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Vic fangio but only if we didn’t interview him in 2013(can’t remembe)
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rumors I find alarming:
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1) Jeff Lurie’s alleged Admiration for Jeff Fisher and Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly
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2) the fact that we wasted an interview on Brian Billick in 2013, what a Nightmare that would be,,
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DONT WASTE OUR TIME list:
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1) Sean Peyton. If he leaves Drew Brees it will be to coach Luck or Eli
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2) Gruden… No way he puts himself in direct divisional competition with his brother
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3) Bill Cohwer..,seems very comfortable in his media gig, does he really have the hunger and drive to put in all the insane amount of work it takes to be a successful coach in this super competitive league?
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Hopefully:
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1) LURIE, Howie, and Smolenski learned a lot of valuable lessons from the last coaching search (Howies only experiemce)
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2) Howie is able to land whoever we deem to be the #1 option. Chip was the wrong Hire, but Howe was able to deliver him, which is important. The problem is last time, Howie was competing with Jags, Browns, Jets, Cardinals(pre Carson), Bears… This year we will have to compete with teams that have enticing QBs like Mariota, Phillip Rivers, andrew Luck the golden boy, ironman Eli.. Hopefully our top choice is dying to coach Bradford..
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3) our new Front Office structure works for our top Candidate. Howie has WON the WAR. He has more Power today than chip ever had. No need to backstab or go to war with any more peiple inside of Novacare. hopefully Howie has grown, and learned important lessons from the past, and whoever he ends up Hiring, he is able to go on to have a great relationship with, two guys, United towards the same common Goal, who can respectfully work together and put an END to the CONSTANT FRONT OFFICE TURMOIL that we have had since Howie joined the novacare staff years ago. I’m not going to blame ALL of the past drama on Howe, but facts are that he is the common denominator in all our front office Drama for whatever that means… But he won the battle, this is Howie’s franchise now, new people are coming into the building, which is a new beginning, and an opportunity to do better this time.. Whoever was to blame for all the drama, has hopefully learned and will hire the right people that can all work together towards a common goal and put an end to the drama.. People won’t always agree, but they do need to figure out a way to put an end to the dysfunctional environment, respect each other, and remain united at all time..
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let’s please do this the Right way, and make sure almòst a decade goes by before we have to find ourselves in this position of uncertainty with no HC again… Nothing to do but support and Hope that LURIE, Howie, and Don get it right…
What is the Reality of our QB options?
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SAM, Sanchez (if any candidate suggests this option in the interview he needs to ke kicked out immediately), try to get Paxton Lynch (no idea if he is any good or not), but I’m not sure the Niners have the balls to pass on another top QB prospect in their back yard after passing on Aaron Rodgers, so I have to assume Goff doesn’t get passed the Niners.
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Then there is the Pesky problem that we are already down a 2nd round pick for next year, which means that if you want to trade up in the draft to secure Paxton, you are going to end up crippling your ability to build this team, especially since by now we should understand that Free agency is NOT the SOLUTION.. Lol so what are you going to do? Use your first round pick, your two 3rd round picks, a first round pick next year so that you can move up and secure Paxton?.. You have an OL that needs to be built, you can’t do that with a 4th, two 5th, 6th, and 7th, and be down a 1st round pick for 2017. What good is Lynch if we get him killed because we canta fix this flawed team?
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Gotta work it out with Bradford. Two years from now, all the QBs will be signed to absurd contracts and you won’t be able to avoid paying a ton for a QB. Unfortunately bad teams are giving elite money, to second tier QBs, and it’s only going to get worse and worse… You won’t be able to escape paying a ton for QB play in the very near future, so you gotta make it work with Sam.. A positive of Howie is he became known for bulding good relationships with agents and being able to get deals done.. Hopefully he can get SAM under comtract. We Can Tag, but really only if we think we are going to be able to work out an extension before the season, you really don’t want SAM to ever play a game on that Franchise Tag…. Lol hopefully some players are a little more willimg to work out an extension after JPP blew his fingers off while Tagged smh…. By tagging SAM, it also hopefully leads to teams that were a threat to stealing him on the market, make significant investments in some other QB in FA, trade or draft, and the market of his suitors dries up a bit.
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But you can’t use the Tag to try and screw bradford and strong arm him. You don’t want to get into a game of chicken with a good QB sitting on close to 100mil in his bank account.. Howie needs to pick up where he left off, having a somewhat new reputation of doing good business with agents, get a Fair deal done for SAM, which is going to cost a ton.. The only way to avoid getting a QB in FA who doesn’t cost a ton, is to go with the Sanchez types.. Ryan Fitzpatrik is goung To get PAID. kirk Cousins is going to get PAID.. We are entering a new world, where Staring QBs league wide are all going to start being paid deals that better reflect the most important position in all of sports, which it Truley is..
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No way to avoid it, Pay The Mayne his Monies… Hopefully we can do it in traditional HOWIE style where the guy gets his money, but the deal is structured in the cap friendliest way possible, and structured to where we have some semblance of protection with an escape clause after 2 or 3 years… But for me, the Kids knee held up under the most strenuos season he could possibly have,, He played behind a shaky line, with a coach who’s goal is to run 90 plays a game, which essentially exposes him to injury 90 times each week… Hopefully the next coach respects time of possession, we cut Bradford down to like 60 plays a game, so the next 3 years, equal like 2 seasons under chip (adding play count)…. Play traditional tempo, but in your. Back pocket you know these players have plenty of tempo experiemce when you need it, and stack your OL with talent and Depth,.. I don’t care if we have to bring back the same exact underachieving team, as long as we have a new stacked OL, I will be happy.
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we wont get our hands on a QB that gives us a better chance to win than Bradford. have you heard Jordan Mathews strong comments on tbis matter? Sounded genuine… Sam gives us the most promising QB play we have seen since McNabb… VICK had a Monster 2010 but it proved to be an ANOMOLY. I thought SAM played the position well down the stretch, but I don’t at all think we were even close to seeing his best yet… Where Chip thought The FOles Eagles at reached its ceiling, I can’t see Anyone thinking that we have seen the ceiling of the Bradford Eagles yet…I think it’s insane after what we invested, to give up on the most promising QB play since McNabb, while the guys is still improving each week.
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After what we invested, if we lose Sam, it will set this franchise so far back, and we will have to kill our ability to fix this roster because of the assets we will have to dump into getting a QB in the draft… And not for nothing, but if the Browns decide they will draft a QB, then Neither Goff nor Paxton will be left on the board after the Niners are done picking… Lol and you don’t have a 2nd round pick…. I find it hard to believe, LURIE, Howie and the coach won’t see how much better off we are investing in SAM.. keep SAM, invest big in your OL, and everything changes
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I’m hoping that LURIE and Howie don’t need to see what happens on the open market to understand it’s going to take a significant investment to work things out with bradford, and after the risk we took on him, and the price we paid for that risk, we would be crazy to not do what it takes to maintain exclusive negotiation rights, but you can’t Tag him as Power play or to gain leverage. You tag him if you will commit to doing what it takes to work out an extension. the Kid can play, the kid can lead (surprisingly), we didn’t protect him, he took a massive beating, played weeks for us on a jacked up shoûlder, even took off and ran from the pocket at times,, if he didn’t prove his Knee injury is behind him, I don’t know who has,.. Hopefully it won’t come down to any of this and we can work out a satisfactory big money offer with a littke more protection than a friggin Jerry Jones/Chip kelly contract lol, and get SAM to commit to a big money extension before free agency ever starts.. Worst Case scenario, you Tag Him but you had better know you can get the deal done in time for most of the offseason program… if not, We have Huge Problems.
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Wish we could see what THAD Lewis looks like tomorrow. if we Pay SAM, can not continue to pay Sanchez. Can THAD Lewis be a #2? Fuck if I know.. Sanchez regressed so Much that Im no longer even sure he can be talked about as one of the clear cut top backups.. I really don’t even know what to think about that consistent dissapointment.. But I don’t see how we can pay him, and give Bradford the big money it takes to keep him in place.. And there really isn’t a QB in the draft that would make me think it’s smart to part ways with Sam rather then pay the man. So hard to find legit QB play….Id honestly prefer seeing Mark Samchez as our QB instead of Rh3 and Kapernick. Can you imagine their lack of Charechter, lack of leadership, lack of confidence handle the really tough times you have to endure in This city? These fans and Media will eat KAPERNICK and Rg3 alive. You can’t bring them into this city..
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A fear in the back if my Mind, is Chip getting a job, and wanting to go after SAM in Free Agency, life Immitating Art like al Pacino screwing over the “Miami Sharks” sigńing with an expansion team and announcing the signing of Wille Beamen stealing him from Miami,… If Chip tries to steal SAM with his greasy paws, im gonna start a Gofundme account to raise money to pay a hit on Chip Kelly,..