Everybody Wants Some
Posted: February 4th, 2016 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 633 Comments »Having good players is a good thing. Being able to keep good players around is a great thing. Brandon Graham and Connor Barwin got new deals last year. Vinny Curry just got a new deal a couple of days ago. Fletcher Cox is in negotiations with the Eagles and might land the richest contract in franchise history. Because of the amount of money involved, there is no definitive timetable for that deal.
Those deals mean two things. First, the Eagles are a happy organization because they were able to keep their best players around. Second, but just as important, a lot of happy Eagles players. Apparently football players like money.
Those deals actually mean something else. Other guys want to get paid. Everybody wants some.
The DT position is now very tricky.
Cedric Thornton is a free agent. Bennie Logan is in the final year of his deal. Cox is also in the final year of his deal, but if anything goes wrong in negotiations they would just use the franchise tag on him. He will be an Eagle in 2016 and 2017 at the very least.
I think Jim Schwartz would like to have 4 DTs to regularly rotate. He’ll have Cox and Logan starting this year. There are no clear backups. Beau Allen is more of a 3-4 NT. The Eagles have to figure out if he can be effective in the new system. Taylor Hart has the kind of frame that Schwartz loves, but he might not be DT material. Hart may need to go to a 3-4 team where he is a natural DE.
Travis Raciti was on the practice squad in 2015, but he could be an excellent fit in the new scheme. Here is something I wrote on him last spring when he was signed as a UDFA.
DE Travis Raciti – San Jose State – 6-5, 285
Athletic DL who has played DT and DE. Played in both 3-4 and 4-3. At his best in 2012, when he was an attacking 1-gap DT. Some think he could lose weight and play OLB. I watched the Shrine Game, where Raciti played LDE. Did not look good playing in space. More effective playing in traffic. Has 2-gap experience, but still needs work. Has the potential to challenge for backup role.
Raciti is completely unproven and may not pan out at all, but he is a good fit for the new scheme in terms of size and skill. He might challenge for a roster spot this year.
The key to all of this is Logan.
I think of him as a natural 1-gap player who was talented enough and worked hard enough to be a good 2-gap player. Logan could be really good in the new scheme. The problem is that I think he will be good and will price himself out of the Eagles range. I’m sure they’d love to keep him, but they can’t afford to pay everyone big bucks. Logan isn’t a great player and isn’t worth great money, but all it takes is one suitor to overpay him.
The Eagles may talk to Logan about an extension now, but if I were him, I wouldn’t do a deal. I’d want to show what I could do in the new system and then go test the market. Maybe I’m wrong and he’ll do a deal, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
Thornton is the man who gets lost in the shuffle. He was a starting DE the last 3 years, but right now would project to being a backup DT in Philly. He’s not coming off his best year so I’m not sure he’ll have much market value. I’m sure he will test the market. If he can’t find any takers at a reasonable price, maybe he signs a one-year deal with the Eagles and then hits the market again next March. That doesn’t seem likely, but Thornton’s agent could see the big picture and expect Logan to be gone in a year. Thornton would then have a starting role open in Philly.
All of this might be a significant issue if not for Fletcher Cox. When you have him at one DT spot, you can build around him. It is much easier to build around a star than to build from the ground up.
People expected the Eagles to load up on O-linemen in the draft, but they also might be adding multiple D-linemen. A lot will depend on Schwartz and what he thinks of Allen, Hart and Raciti as backups. If the team can get Thornton to re-sign, then the DL could be fairly set. Chances are they’ll be spending at least one pick on a DL this April.
Free agency is also an option. You can find veteran backups for a reasonable price. Still, with the rest of the DL costing so much, the Eagles may prefer to go with the draft. That would lock them into a cheap deal for several years.
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Just writing about the 4-3 gets me excited. Can’t wait for August to get here.
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Hopefully the post title made some of you think of John Cusack’s great comedy Better Off Dead and this classic scene.
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The Van Halen song is what I thought of first, but yes the Better Off Dead scene includes that so all is good. 🙂
The key is the Eagles have shown their priorities but also who is willing to do a deal. Celek may not be a priority signing, but he was willing to restructure and wanted to stay here so they got it done. Ertz, Johnson and Curry were priority signings who also were ready to sign.
Cox is a priority signing, but is not chomping at the bit to sign nor are the Eagles simply going to hand over the Fort Knox reserves right away. It is a more complex and delicate dance than the others and thus will take more time.
Depth is an issue all over the roster, but hopefully Roseman remembers the OL and DL are the most important foundations for a winner.
I still prefer ‘One Crazy Summer’ if we are choosing a slapstick 80s comedy featuring John Cusack although I like both films.
It’s pretty close for me, but Bobcat puts OCS over the top. Especially the Godzilla scene.
“Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” gets my vote.
John Cusack wasn’t in that.
You’re right, I was thinking of Matthew Broderick.
“Gee Ricky, I’m sorry your mom blew up.”
It would be nice to sign Ced. He is a solid player and has been a model Eagle. He is a bottom of the pecking order starter type, but he is actually really good. If he were morphed into a WR with my personal madden rating of him just transposed to WR stats, he would of been our best WR (follow that? Me either).
Fortunately I think the team can live with out him. Its pretty insane but the top 4 guys we have can probably show up at any of the 4 spots on any given play. Depth is a little iffy, but TBH I think Hart and Allen are actually good players. Even if they may not fit the scheme they can be kept this year and used to their strengths (been hearing about coaches who do that for years… lets see it for once Jimmy!).
Would love to see him back on a 1 year deal and let him make some good money elsewhere. Sort of doubt that would happen. He had a down year statistically, but as we all know stats don’t usually mean everything (Right Coop?). Stats that fit into the box score probably have the least bearing on the value of a 2 gap DL, of all the positions. Ced is a quality starter, with a value on stopping the run, no matter what the system is. I think he will easily find work.
You can find players similar to Thornton on the street and in the draft for far cheaper.He is too one dimensional to say you have to keep him. What have you seen out of Hart to actually think he is a good player? Tripping over your own feet isn’t a quality worth having. I like your optimism but these guys are easily replaceable in my eyes.
I agree Thorton isn’t a world beater. I think he is a solid starting caliber player. Everyone doesn’t have to be a super star. I simply want him to hang around for one more year so we don’t have to invest resources at that spot. I also think he will probably improve his value. Since I like him I would like to see that happen so he can get a nice contract elsewhere.
Heart has great size and looks like a pretty darn good athlete. That is really my extent of liking him. Essentially my point is that I don’t want to invest resources in the front this year. Maybe later in the draft, but with the number of picks, I don’t even like that.
What about captain pass batter Bair?
humm good question. Really not sure how he would work. He certainly excelled in the other system. Would be nice if he could work. Getting sort of old though.
Of all the backup DL, I think he’s the one with the best chance to succeed
One thing that will also factor into the DT depth is that Curry and Graham can both move inside to rush the passer in clear passing situations.
In this defense.. I feel like all of the starters can play all of the spots. By starters I mean the top 5 too.
Good news is both interior DL and OL are insanely deep in the draft this year.
If we’re keeping old man Peters who can we target at OT that might make it to round 3?
Edit: who would be your favorite pick to be successor at LT or RT?
Pretty sure that with his new contract, Johnson is our future LT
That’s why my hope is for Schwartz as RT in free agency. But some people think we’re keeping the old man around… in which case we draft an OT in round 3 or 4? Or do we go ahead an take one at 13 or trade back and get one in late 1st round or 2nd?
I really like Jason Peters but I just don’t think it makes sense keeping him here without someone who can jump in right away if needed.
Peters will most likely be here next year then be gone.
Probably La’Raven Clark or Kyle Murphy would be the guys I would look at in the round 3 range.
Hmm, if that’s the case, do you see Roseman trading down for more picks? I know he likes to do that and I could really see him trying to cash in on Rds 2 & 3 this year.
If we aren’t trying to get a QB and a premium player doesn’t fall, very much I would like to trade back.
I’ve always felt the best draft strategy is to get as many picks as possible in the 25-75 range. Because they are dirt cheap and almost all of them turn out to be at least solid starters.
If we don’t go QB I think leveraging 13 and some of our day 3 picks to get 5 picks on day 2 would be the way to go. The thought of being able to walk away with something like: Kendall Fuller, Darian Thompson, Landon Turner, Sheldon Day and La’Raven Clark would put the roster in such a better position moving forward.
I’m not ready to assume that Logan is a goner… Typically the Eagles keep quality players we draft, and I think Logan is going to have a big year in the defense..
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You can have expensive players, if you draft well, and balance the expensive contracts with some,cheap starters and Backups on Rookie Contracts… I think Logan is more valued to the Eagles future than many seem to think…
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The Eagles have been able to hand out some nice deals already, and they haven’t even begun shedding salary and freeing Cap space… Not sure how many key veterans will get cut THIS OFFSEASON, but in the next two offseasons I expect to clear a ton of Cap, clearing house of plenty of expensive older players..
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I think the Eagles would let a guy Like Barwin walk, before they let Bennie Logan slip away ..
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Possibly ryan Mathews next year
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A lot of salary to shed befire we have to lose Logan…. Personally I see plenty of teams that are paying 4 quality Veteran DLineman…. And when it’s clear that we have to replace Backups like Hart, Bair, thornton and possibly Beau, and replace them with cheap rookie Backups that are a better fit, there is no reason why we can’t pay for two starting DT’s.. As long as the other Dlineman are on rookie contracts.. I also wouldn’t be completly surprised if they get Logan to sign an Extension in the summer before the season starts, depending what our Cap looks like at that time…. If we aren’t keeping Sam, I would be pretty annoyed to also lose Logan.. I don’t love the thought of losing two of our better starters… I see a ton of playërs that need to get Axed before we axe Bennie…. If they can’t get Logan to sign an extension before the season, odds of retaining him decrease, but, typically when you have a good young player that you drafted, with high football Charechter who wants to be an Eagle, and the team also values him, more times than not I expect them to reach an agreement… Losing Logan would be terrible….. Somehow, I doubt the Carolina Panthers will be talking about letting Star Latululei or Kawaan Short get away…
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I think hitting on a draft pick like Logan, who exceeds all our expectations and is a class act, and letting him get away because he is TOO Good, is the worst thing a team can do.
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Im not sure what could be more important to spend Cap space on, then keeping a stud we draft like Logan in Philly…a lot of expensive playërs I would gladly kick to the curb before letting Logan get away
we need to get young at RB, Bennie is worth more to the Eagles than all 3 RB’s combined imo. So easy to find a RB that can operate if the rest of your offense is in good shape (if it isn’t you work on that, not try to get a better RB). Only one RB has really ascended above that general rule, AP.
Absolutely! I always maintained that in the next two Offseasons, we should have transitioned away from all 3 pricy veteran RBs.,, which is why I don’t care which they decide to axe this year, because all 3 should be gone before the 2017 season, and replaced with Cheaper, younger RBs..
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Heck, if we don’t have many holes this time next year, Id love to try to add the Beast from LSU as the Next great Eagle RB…on paper, what chup did with the RB positipn looks great, but when you factor in value, and opportunity cost, it may be one of the bigger “novice’ mistakes chip made, investing so much in 3 older RBs, traditionally one of the easier positipns to fill in a draft.. All 3 need to be purged from the roster by next offseason, and according to Sproles, we need to get rid of one of the 3 Immediately…
Matthews is relatively cheap and I think sproles could stay productive for a while. I’d give Matthews the role as the Bell cow this year to see if he can stay healthy and have a productive season. I would trade demarco and a 7th for a pizza crust. I honestly believe we would have made the playoffs this year without demarco. I think he hurt us that badly.
Lol so you should be happy to read all these recent articles popping up all over today, claiming that Murray wants out of Philly 😉
great he can go find a trade partner
The only good thing demarco did was get chip fired. I’m so hype for a real defense again. I liked chip, but his defensive philosophy killed me.
Yes, Demarco killed the team by Chip not letting him on the field. Whe he ran like he did his entire career (downfield between the tackles), he excelled. But Chip insisted he run to the sideline.
He won’t make it out of October being a bell cow. Dude is made of glass because of how he plays
Mathews is constantly laying down on the job.
I would add Gurley too. He is that good. The Rams have NOTHING else on Offense.
Kid is going to be run into the ground, be interesting to see if he actually makes any money in the long run.
I think our defensive roster is probably the best it’s been since we lost the Great Jim Johnson. I expect plenty of these guys to really flourish under the new Defensive Coordinator, it’s not even so much that I thing SChwartz is the greatest thing since sliced bread, im really excited about no longer having an Offensive college coach dictating to our Defensive coordinator how the defense should be run…. Just by Pederson giving SChwartz the freedom to run whatever schemes he thinks gets the most out of his talent, instead of Chip telling Billy what he wants defensively regardless of what fit our roster the best… Just the fact that Pederson is smart enough to not screw with SChwartz defense, for me is a very exciting Change, and I expect Schwartz to show that this defensive roster was better than what it has looked like the last few years.
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A good portion of our Defensive roster is in place, but truth is, we still have NEEDS at every area of the defensive roster that need to be addressed in the Next two drafts, and a few immediate needs that need to be addressed right away in this draft. We NEED either starting or depth addition at every level of the defense..
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the ONE area on defense, where we DONT have to add Talent right away in this years draft is at DE… Because BARWIN is a way way more DE than he is a Sam, we have two waves of pass rushers to throw at Teams VINNY Coombats, BG, BARWIN and MS2. This is the one area we dont HAVE to address this year, but I would never scoff at adding more talent to the trenches and the edge Rush. But Adding a DE is the least of our immediate defensive concerns…
DT is an Immediate NEED, even Tho I don’t at All belíeve that we will let Bennie get away, I expect Logan and Cox to start together for years to come. in order to pull that off, we need Backups on rookie Contracts. problem is out of Hart, Beau and Bair, I see no way that we should keep more than 1 of those 3 names. if I had to pick today, I would say:
1) Logan and Cox start together for years to come
2) Beau Allen gets a year to see if he can adequately backüp Logan in this new scheme
3) Hart gets traded to the Niners or steelers for a 7th rd pick, more likely a player for player swap
4) Bair walks in Free agency
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this leaves us with Cox’s backüp at 3tech as an Immediate Need in the draft. Fortunately Cox is a durable monster so we don’t have to spend a first round pick on his back up, but it should be addressed somewhere in the first 5 rounds, Beau and Logan are stout against the Run, the DT we draft, NEEDS to bring an Interior pass rush to our bench of he is to team up with Beau Allen… I think a 3 Technique will have to be drafted this year… I view Letting a very solid starter in Thornton walk in free agency, is mostly being done because we plan on Keeping Logan here long term…
Linebacker is a SERIOUS NEED for us.. It has to be addressed in this years draft, and we need to add a kid with legit starting ILB potential, preferably a guy with Sam and MIKE versatility since Kiko and Hicks haven’t been the most durable playërs… Im not ready to rule out Kiko and just assume that he won’t get his ability back when he is two years removed from the Injury. I would still go into training camp giving Kiko first crack at the SAM linebacker starting Job (BARWIN is a De, NOT A SAM). It’s not that uncommon for a guy to not get right TIL his second year removed from the injury, which is exactly what happened with Mufasa who tore his Achilles with the Texans, his first year back he looked terrible, yet Roseman was smart enough to trade for him anyway, banking on him getting his ability back with two years removed from the Injury, and Roseman turned out to be right, and Meco was significantky better his first year as an Eagle, then he was the year before with the Texans. Hopefully Kiko ends up being another of the countless athletes who had to wait Til year two removed from the injury to get his ability back. If So, Kiko’s Height, and athleticism should make him a heckuva SAM for us covering TE down field
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Hicks is clearly the starting MIKE QB of the defense
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Kendricks is the WIL
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Good and Acho are solid backups, but with our 3 starting LBs all lacking durability, I think we have to draft another LB with starting Caliber upside, ideally with MIKE and SAM versatility. This player NEEDS to be drafted This year, it absolutely can’t wait…. especially since I think it’s time to pull the plug on Mufasa, as much as it pains me to say…at his age, he can only play the MIKE in a 4-3, and we can’t have Mufasa blocking Hicks. MEco lacks versatility as a back up, he can’t play Special Teams, and we can probably add a cheaper backüp with starting Caliber upside..
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Eventually I will also want to draft another WIL to push Kendricks to hopefully stay healthy. But i think Goode is better than Acho, so I’d be more comfortable asking Goode to fill in for KEndricks next year, then I would be to ask Acho to fill in for Kiko or Hicks…
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So I think the best course of action is to move on from Mufasa, and draft a LB THIS YEAR with SAM and MIKE versatility, and NEXT year, instead of drafting a WIL, maybe we look to draft a guy like Deonne Buchannon who can backüp Kendricks at WIL. While also being a quasi Safety, Quasi Linebacker type of Backüp? Hit on a LB in this draft, and a LB next year and we should have a strong LB room in place..
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So for the Front 7, a 3 technique DT and a Sam/MIKE type of Linebacker are both Immediate Needs that have to be addressed in THIS DRAFT, and can’t be pushed back to next year
what? we have 3 pro bowl calibur LBs, plus goode if we want him, plus acho if we want him, both of hose guys are 43 guys that have been here fore a while and will play for the min. I’m sure barwin can play at least 1 LB spot if needed.
STRONGLY DISAGREE! On paper, I would agree… But in reality I strongly disagree..
And then… to bring you right back full circle, you realize that LB isn’t as important in this scheme. So It’s no big deal.
Stop it…
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Devaluing positions is never a bright idea
In a 3-4 scheme your most important defenders in the front 7 are OLB. The ILB have to be very good to because the team relies on them to make plays and call the defense. The 3-4 devalues your dline.
Now in a 4-3 our Dline becomes more important than the LBers because they are called upon to make plays. The LBers are going to clean up the trash.
Resource management teaches that you simply can’t consider every aspect the same. You actually have to devalue some positions on the team because you can’t be awesome everywhere.
As long as Simba is ok, I’m not worried about LBers this year.
Ok.. Brilliant thinking…
I won’t be upset if we draft a LB who is clearly BPA, but I certainly wouldn’t reach for one as a “need.”
I can see how on paper we can convince ourselves that we are set at LB, but assuming any of our 3 projected starters are going to play 16 games, let alone all 3 of them, is a Jerry Jones level of Assumption that i do not want to end up paying the price for..
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I like Acho and Goode too, decent ST Players, servicable backups that could keep us a float for a few weeks, but neither are good enough to where they can save our season if we lose one of our starting backers for the season in August…. If by some modern day Miracke, Kiko gets back to full strength, and Kiko, Hicks and Mychal all end up playing 16 games this year, odds are that won’t happen two years in a row.
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I think adding a LB with starting upside and hopefully SAm/MIKE versatility is probably our biggest immediate front 7 need, even tho it doesn’t look that way on paper.. It’s time to pull the plug on Demeco Ryans Eagle career. We can’t allow him to block hicks, he can only play MIKE in a 4-3 at his age, and he can’t add to our ST as a backup, so it doesn’t make much sense to continue to pay Demeco,,, if he wants to transition to assistant LB coach, Id love to see him hired today… But on the roster he needs to be replaced with a young backüp, on a rookie contract who projects to be a level above Najee and Acho…. it’s a big enough need to where I would rip the Eagles if they think Mykes Jack, Ragland or some other LB is the clear BPA when it’s time to draft in the first few rounds, and they pull the trigger on a LB,,
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I don’t think it’s such an immediate NEED that we need to go into the first 3’rounds desperate to target a LB, but by the end of round 5, we should have drafted one… HOWEVER now that I think about it, instead of looking for a guy with Sam/MIKE versatility in THIS DRAFT, maybe we could use BARWIN or MS2 as a short term band aid in case of injuries to kiko, or if Hicks gets hurt, Kiko moves to the middle, and use a platoon of Ms2,BARWIN,Acho to pick up the slack at Sam….. This would allow us to push drafting a Sam/MIKE type Til 2017, and allow us to look for that ShaqThompson type of Safety/WIL Linebacker Hybrid, a Subpackage matchup weapon who could give us some help at Safety short term, since I assume we want to add a Hitter at safety, while also being able to fill in for KEndricks on 3rd down in case he gets hurt, while Goode fills in for Mychal on 1st and second down…
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So Maybe it’s better to try and find our Shaq Thompson Lb/S hybrid this year, and look for the versatile SAM/MIKE next year… Either way, LB corp is about 2 additions away from having the starting talent and depth in place at LB needed to build an elite Defense..
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LB, DT is a depth need. QB, OT, OG, S are immediate needs.
Yeah I disagree… LB is a serious NEED,
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I think It would be foolish to not address LB when the 3 starters projected to start, all couldnt make it thru a season healthy.. KEndricks misses 3-5 games every year, Hicks has been healthy only one of his last 4 seasons. And we don’t even know if Kiko is going to get his pre injury ability now that he will be two years removed from the injury.. Goode and Acho are solid if we need them to step up for a week or two, but we can’t view those guys as playërs who can be counted to start all year if Kiko doesn’t get his ability back, or if one of the 3 get hurt early in the season..
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I think the best way to go about building this LB corp up is to draft a kid with SAM and Mike Versatility in the first 4 rounds of THIS DRAFT… And in the 2017 Draft, look for a kid who is a Linebacker/Safety Hybrid like the Panthers Shaq Thompson, to backüp Kendricks as the WIL which also giving us a nice Subpackage chess piece.
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Hit on a LB in this draft, and hit on a LB in next years draft, and our LB corp should be set for Years..
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2016 draft needs, in no particular order we have to hit on as many of these needs as possible in this draft
1) A DT (3 technique interior pass rusher).. Depth NEED (later rounds)
2) A LB with SAM and Mike versatility.. Lack of durability makes this a starting caliber NEED for me (first 4 rounds)
3) A Safety with starting Caliber upside to pair with Jenkins, Starting caliber
4) An Outside corner to groom as Maxwells replacement after this season, starting caliber.
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So I think we need to spend at least 4 draft picks on Defenders this year. hit on as many of those pics as possible,,, and hopefully put the finishing touches on the defensive roster in next years draft..
2017 draft:
.1) DE.. Gotta start thinking about replacing BARWIN
2) a LB/Safety Hybrid like Shaq Thompson/Deonne Buchanon type
3) Good Chance we have to add a CB and Safety again next yeàr
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Basically I think this Defense needs to hit on 6 or 7 defensive draft picks away from having the type of defense in place that can really win us some game.. best case scenario it takes two drafts to hit on 6 or 7 defensive picks, but it can easily end up taking 3 or 4 years depending on drafting Busts, and injuries creating more unforseen Needs… The 7 new defenders don’t all have to be starting caliber upgrades, but at least 3 or 4 need to be starting caliber prospects…
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We have enough draft picks this year, that it shouldn’t be a problem Drafting 4 defenders and still have enough picks to address our immediate offensive needs…… unfortunately we won’t hit on 100% of our picks,,. But with 9 total draft picks, be fantastic if 6 can prove to be starting or depth upgrades
I cannot expect a team to hit on that many picks per year. Especially the fact that we haven’t hit on our first round picks the last two years. (I know the jury is still out on that one.) But an immediate need is somewhere there is a gaping hole. Does LB and DT need depth and quality backups? Yes. I think we have way too many areas we can address or upgrade without pigeonholing ourselves into drafting specific positions and reaching.
Currently we have holes at QB, 2 OG, potentially OT or needing to draft one to replace Lane on right side, and starting safety spot. Our depth needs are CB (to replace Max if he doesn’t drastically improve), WR upgrade if possible, DT to rotate, SAM LB potentially late (see what Kiko has, and Barwin can probably rotate in there and be serviceable if we need him). I agree these needs , but you cannot call depth, backups, and future needs immediate. If they are BPA out of all our areas that need upgrading, I have no problem.
I don’t expect anything,,, which is why I talk about not knowing if this goal will take two or four drafts to complete… But we should set somewhat attainable numbers to strive for, even if we understand there is a good chance we come up a little short… Defense is 7 solid draft picks (some starting, some depth) away from really being at that level where we can compete with anyone,, how long it takes to get that in place, is an unknown, best case scenario it can be done in two drafts… 3 might be the most realistic assumption, with it taking 4 drafts if we botch more picks than we hit on
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I think general blue print for this draft is 5 picks on offense, 4 on defense.. I certainly don’t expect some crazy 9 for 9 100% success super draft… Out of 9 picks, I wouuld say hitting on 6 is an attainable best case scenario rate to strive for, understanding that it could just as easily be that we only come away with 3 solid additions out of 9 players we drafted…
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I think we can compete and have a solid defense way before we hit on 7 defensive draft picks.. But we will need to upgrade 6 or 7 defensive roster spots to get this defense to an elite level that can compete with anyone
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I damn sure don’t go into a draft and automatically assume that Roseman is going to land a CB that looks so great that he makes it easy to cut Maxwell after this season, whether we can accomplish getying that playet or not, the NEED remains the same,… And we are about 7 defensive roster spot upgrades (some starters, some depth upgrades) away to get to that top level of upper echelon defenses. how long it takes depends on how well we draft, and how well our coaches Develope those players
LOL. Obviously, no GM goes in with the mentality to hit on 3 out of 9 picks? But that is usually the reality. Most of our extra picks are late (two 5s, two 7s); those picks are very difficult to find starting quality players or even key contributors. Which is why they are referred to as “lottery picks.” We NEED to actually start hitting on that those early picks. It just sucks, because the 2nd round is usually the best value for getting an impact player. The good news is at 13, we should be able to get a quality player. It would suck to have to reach for a QB in the top half of the first round, but if we don’t have one they may go that route. I don’t know. But I’m fairly certain if we dont see the tag on Sam, he will not be back. And if he is not, we may not have all of those 9 picks, because we package them to get to where we want to select a QB.
we have 2 3rds and a bunch of late round picks. We can get into the 2nd round if needed. Draft wise we aren’t in a bad position.
We haven’t been able to add a kid with a legit round 1 grade since Lane Johnson… Picking in the 20s, we usually got stuck settling for a round two grade with our 1st round pick… id like to think that there are 13 players with legit round 1 grades in this draft, if that’s the case, I want one…. We NEED to find a future difference maker in round 1 this.
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If there isn’t a legit first round talent available at #13,Trade back and add a pick…. But if we have to settle for a kid with a second round grade in round 1 for the 3rd draft in a row, we better have traded back and added another pick In the process
“Picking in the 20s, we usually got stuck settling for a round two grade with our 1st round pick”
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Ironic. There seemed to be no bigger fan of the Eagles’ selections of Agholor in 2015 and MSII in 2014 than you.
You may be right, though, in hindsight.
Neither one should have been a 1st Rd pick based on their production to this point.
Hindsight doesn’t kick in until 2-3 years!
That’s part of the irony . . .
Nothing tops one of these thoughtful, eloquent comments from GEagle.
GEAGLE geagle, please look at me… Please. Please answer me… Please stop ignoring me… Please GEAGLE,, PLEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEE!! Don’t do this to me GEAGLE…please,show me some attemtion!!!
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Caio Bello..Grazie pe la barzeletta
the Secondary picture is the murkiest… We do HAVE some nice DB talent in place already. It’s probably the most developed Secondary we had post Jim Johnson, but it still needs a good amount of work to get it where we need it to be, and it most likely won’t be a quick, one offseason Fix…
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What do we KNOW? We know that Jenkins and ROWE can be quality starting DBs for the next 3 years (which would require Jenkins to be extended at some point)… I expect Maxwell to have a nice season under SChwartz this year, but even if he has a big year, I don’t think he will be back for the following season, unless he has a good season, and is also willing to restructure that contract. I don’t see a scenario where he is allowed to keep that Contract past this next season. so since there is a real possibility that Maxwell will just be a one year rental for next year, it becomes very important that we hit on a quality starting CB in THIS draft, so we can groom him for a year before asking him to replace Max opposite of Death ROWE..,
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If we are Lucky, ROWE, Maxwell and JaCorey in the slot all have a good season, and end up looking like a quality starting 3 CB’s… But we damn sure can’t just assume this will be the case. If we Lose both Thurmond and Nolan, we may have to draft 2 DBs this year, but we certainly have to draft one this year..
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We have ROWE and Maxwell who can start for a year just fine, but we really have no idea what the new regime thinks of Jaylen Watkins, Randall Evans, Denzel Rice, JaCorey Sheppard… The ONLY way we could get away with not draftong a CB this year is if we retain Nolan Carroll, and im not sure how likely that is..
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Looks like Thurmond is a goner, and if we did end up keeping him, I assume in the new defense he would be viewed as an Outside and slot Corner, not a safety.
It absolutely Sucks and I hate to say it, but we are right back to having a desperate need at Safety, and Defensive Backs has been an area Roseman has struggled to properly scout… hopefully SChwartz and Undlin can find Roseman some starting Safety prospects that can solve this long exsisting problem..
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We also have no idea how this new Regime will view Ed Reynolds, Couplin, Maragos. I assume Fipp will pound the table to keep Maragos, but I doubt Couplin and Reynolds are enough to keep us from having to draft a safety
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So unfortunately, I don’t think we can get around having to draft a CB and a Safety this year. And even then, our Secondary will still probably need to be addressed again next offseason,,,, so while we have some nice DB pieces to build with, it’s still the area that needs the most work on our defensive roster, but hopefully we get lucky and find a few Gems out of the pile of Unknowns, Watkins, Couplin, Reynolds, Rice, Randall Evans, JaCorey,, be great if one or two of these kids are legit
Rams have had internal discussions about bringing Peyton Manning to LA should he want to play another season: – schefter
will Foles then be available?
im sure he’s available now
Maybe we can trade a 2nd rounder for Foles?! Oh wait….
sorry I was on my phone the other day and couldn’t easily re-type my message, but I had suggested you go after your landlord for your deposit. I think you have good facts.
Thanks, mate. Feel free to drop me an email re the deposit stuff:
Tobi.rebele@gmx.de
done.
Much appreciated.
Would he be available? I’m not sure how that would work with the contract they gave him. It seems like they would be responsible for paying off a lot of that dead money.
they can cut him prior to march without having to pay him. He’s not starting, i doubt they pay him $7m to sit the bench, but maybe.
The thing that worries me about Schwartz is his face. He looks like a real dickhead. That and his association with noted dickhead Jim Washburn. Can he play nice with the other coaches?
right but he’s our d#ckhead now
And importantly… not our head coach.
Love having a Dickhead for a Defensive coordinator… I really hope that he is a fiery psycho who will probably roam the sideline with his troops, instead of coaching from the Box..
We need some grit and swagger on defense. Schwartz will bring it in spades.
Yeah, I like SChwartz temperament to lead our defense. But we need to add a little nasty to the defensive roster. Maybe a strong safety that hits with ATTITUDE looking to knock some blocks off..
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All I ask For is one reincarnation of Dawkins, a guy who will be a leader, a class act, but come Sunday he turns into a raging Maniac looking to put “Crazy on Film”… We need a madman on Defense, someone that adds some bite, Ideally Undlin can identify a prospect or two that can bring some of that Denver DB swag that Wade Phillips secondary plays with.. Daniel Stewart really delivers the Boom, and TJ Ward Isnt exactly a sweetheart either… Defense needs attitude and an increase in Nasty!
He has had success without Washburn, so yes he can get along with other coaches.
Face is important.
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/522e7d8cecad047573ba226f/this-chip-kelly-speech-about-the-virtue-of-keeping-things-simple-is-fantastic.jpg
Hey, we’re all okay with your face, so I think we’ll be fine with him.
So where does talking about the 4-3 rank on the list of things that get Tommy excited? I’m thinking below Megan Fox & PBR but just above Funyuns & Lone Wolf McQuade.
Just to get the formality out of the way, yes, I do think that Fletcher Cox is a stud, beast, man dog, etc. He’s amazing.
That being said, is he worth paying 18mm a year? That sounds extremely high and could cause issues down the road. You don’t see other top tier DLinemen like JJ Watt or Ndamukong Suh winning games for their team. Yes, they make the defense undoubtedly better, but is it really enough to warrant the outlandish contract?
Just thinking out loud. I’d be heartbroken without Cox on this team.
I think JJ Watt does win games for his team, but I think Suh’s contract will cripple the Dolphins. I think ok with the cap increase next few years.
I don’t believe that the super talented scumbags like ALbert Haynsworth, or Suh are worth the Money. I would NEVER want to see us give 100mil to elite talent like them that comes with a scumbag Charechter… But when you have a Dominate DT, who is a high Charechter, team first player like JJ Watt and Fletcher Cox, Geno Atkins, GERALD Wallace, ITS RARE that you so those type of elite, high Charechter, team oriented DTs change Teams.
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Fletcher Cox will be worth every penny he gets, Mostly because he is a selfless, team first, stud who cares more about winning than stats..
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Nothing would shock me more, than Cox or Logan not being here the next 3 years.. I just don’t see how people could think thats possibke? Lol Where do people get off thinking we have this juggernaut roster that can give away our best draft picks because they are Too Good? This line of thinking Blows me away… We are now punishing draft picks for becoming too good? Yeah I don’t think our front office works that way, Thank God…
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See no reason why Logan and Cox can’t and shouldn’t be here starting together longterm. Im under the impression that letting such a quality starter like Thornton walk in free agency is happening because we understand the importance of Cox and Logan LongTerm…
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teams can afford to pay Big Money to Jerry Hughes, Marcel Dareus, Mario Williams and Kyle Williams, while we can’t afford Cox, Logan, and we have to let the best QB we can possibly have in Bradford, also walk because we can’t pay him? Have people lost their minds?
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We NEED to draft MORE players who becone as great as Cox, and Logan… And if we draft a QB, hopefully he will command 18mil a year one day…
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Panthers have a 100mil QB, two ELITE LBs, and I highly doubt you will ever hear any rumblings about the Panthers not being able to keep Star and Kawaan Short… The Rams have elite DL for days,.. Yet when it comes to our fans, we can’t have Cox and Bennie, if we go with cheap backups… We can’t have a QB.. We can’t pay Cox now… bennie Logan is just too damn good, we can’t possibly have him either… This blows my mind,,
Can Miami beat Philly without Suh? (I don’t think so)
JJ Watt had mvp considerations for his contributions in Houston and elevates the play of everyone around him.
Fletcher is the best player on this team, and with Schwartz as DC he is going to be unleashed in a way that will bring tears of joy to a Sack starved city. So yes, Lurie just has to decide which small nation he is going to gift wrap for Mr. Cox.
can philly lose to Miami without Sanchez? maybe not
also true
Can Miami beat Philly without Kelce?
Zing!
If you can get Schwartz to get Cox playing like “I’m trying to get paid” Haynesworth in Tennessee; yes.
Yes, it’s worth it for a dominant, game changing player. Better than spending it on 3 or 4 average players. The difference between stars and average players in more than the difference between average players and nobodies.
This so much. If the offense wasn’t so crappy there, JJ Watt could have won them some games.
Bunch of Murray wants out of Philly articles popping up all over the place today..
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Maybe Sproles was talking about Murray, instead of himself when he said there will be a problem if we keep all 3 RBs this year…,, another mistake by chip, maybe you can get three 5th round rookies to share carries,… But asking 3 proud, pro bowl caliber, high paid, veteran RBs to split carries between the 3 of them, was Clearly a Terrible idea..
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All because we wouldn’t pay an extra mil Or whatever it was to retain Maclin… today we would have Maclin instead of Murray, and instead of drafting Agholar who I like, we could have had Byron Jones, Shaq Thompson, or Malcom Brown..
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I can’t wait til Roseman cleans up this RB mess Chip created..
Those reports are so fucking stupid I can’t even handle it. The Eagles have only two options with Murray. They either trade him, which is unlikely without a contract restructure (which Murray shouldn’t agree to), or they keep him. Cutting him is simply not an option.
Side note, I, for one, want to see how he looks in 2016 before giving up on him. It’s not his fault that CK clearly didn’t know what he was doing.
Yeah Rappaport is starting shit. It’s so irresponsible. Seattle Times guy writes article if Eagles cut Murray, Seattle might be interested. He can’t be cut with dead money more than cap hit . There’s no way Howie does that am I right?
No chance he gets cut. That goes against Howie’s entire philosophy of taking such a huge cap hit.
that’s like if the vikings cut AP, maybe the Seahawks are interested. I don’t even read articles anymore on cnnsi or espn. Everything I need to know in life, I learn here.
Basically…. I have no idea what they have planned for the immediate future of the RB mess chip created, but I hope that all 3 RB’s are gone by the end of the next offseasn… RB is young mans game.. Id be ok keeping Ryan or Sproles for another year or two past this season depending on how they perform and what they have left in the Tank, but I see reason whatsoever, why more than 1 of these RBs should still be here past this season…. Need to start transitioning away from this expensive veteran RB mess, look to draft the next great Eagle RB in the next couple Of drafts… Be great if we could draft the special LSU RB next year, but that would probably require a top 12 pick that comes witha crappy season, which I would like to avoid
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It would he great if we could get rid of one of the 3 RBs right now, but because of the contracts, im Not sure how they plan on addressing this RB mess
Chip really did a doozy on us from a GM perspective.
you’re in no worse position that you would have been in with shady being here. Maybe shady is slighty more productive, but probably was as much play calling and OL as it was RB.
are you kidding? Shady could be cut this year with no cap hit. Murray cannot. And that’s not even getting to trading a 2nd for Bradford with no 2nd year on his contract, letting Mathis go etc.
“Shady could be cut this year with no cap hit. Murray cannot” no one not named Chip Kelly is cutting Shady. He said he’d restructure but not take a pay cut. Even with a paycut he’s probably making what murray makes.
Mathis wouldn’t have made this team a playoff team and he’s another $6m on the cap that we’re already complaining about.
Sammy B we can tag – he wanted to play prove it on his deal, understandable, but we’ll see where he ends up as a result.
I don’t understand your response. You think Murray was a good signing or equal to keeping Shady. But Murray has guaranteed money past last year. If you are assuming that we had resigned Shady and that contract would be guaranteed into year 2, ok I guess. But not sure that makes it ok.
I think money wise it was a wash. I wouldn’t have done it, but he’s not terrible – very good in short yardage.
we 100% would have resigned shady, did you see that Lurie hug when we played Buffalo?
I don’t think the signing was good, i just think we aren’t in a worse place – cap wise than we would be if shady was still here.
And truth be told Karlos Williams is the best RB on the bills, they don’t even run shady in the RZ if williams is healthy, so you might see shady back in a year or two.
Shady and Murray both have a cap hit of $13 million if cut.
well I wasn’t assuming that Howie gives Shady the deal the Bills did.
You sure nailed it. I stfd’d my nephew from Portland with much the same line… he was all gung ho. Chip the great Duck … when i called him Chip The Fupped Duck and backed t up he didnt know wtf to do or say ha!
That was nice
Thanks for too much ammo chip. Hope u are loving the 18 mil you got from the eagles buddy.
Scary to think what other quality Eagles were the next ones that chip would have gotten rid of…. Good chance that Fring Chip saved Currys Eagle career, wonder who else chip would have kicked to the curb..
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lol if Chip crashes and Burns in San Fran, I assume it will cost Tom Gamble his job
Eh – clearly no one else was interested.
Run him until his legs break or he gets 2000 yards.
Well said. Fix up the OG position and let Peters get healthy so we can actually have a consistent run game.
More “unnamed sources” B.S.
I don’t know what true, but some have suggested that a lot of this murray crap that they are basing this crap report Off of came from before Chip was fired,.. If that’s triue, shame on these crappy Twitter reporters for using pre chip firing crap to report about this drama now..
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WTF could Murray possibly be mad about since chip got Fired? We hired a pro coach who gave a no name backüp RB a HUGE workload leading one of the more successful rushiñg options, Amd Murray has a high paid contract that he doesn’t even deserve After last season, so what could !urray possibly be upset about Now? He isn’t even in Philly, what could be be mad about now?
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Sounds like crappy reporting to me, but who knows, and who the fuck cares if murray is upset… I hope he is upset, maybe he is upset enough to restructure his deal and make him more TRADEable
He’s welcome to go back to Dallas for their 2nd rounder.
2nd + Byron Jones/La’el Collins or no dice.
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I was willing to settle for a 7th and new shoe strings for all the players on the Eagles, but your deal sounds better.
If only we can get that offer for Riley Cooper.
Ok, three team trade idea.
Eagles send Murray and Cooper to Dallas
Dallas sends Dez to LA Rams
Dallas and Rams each send 2nd round picks to Philly
You can’t get a 6th round pick For Murrays contract coming off last season.
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A 2nd round pick? we wish
You’ve done market research and factored in Jerrah logic? Or talking confidently outta your butt?
LOL if you don’t understand that MIKE is joking, and you think there is any chance you can get a 2nd for Murray lol, brother me and you have no business interacting… Vai con Dios
I wasn’t talking bout Mike’s post at all. You are claiming to know his potential value and not factoring the fact that jerry Jones knows value in football terms worse than Andy Reid knows clock management. I hate assumptions, especially confident ones and you seem to know it all so…
That was really my “hope” with a trade to Dallas……but I’ll admit asking for a 2nd is cheeky.
Think Trent Richardson, shit did Sproles for a 5 make “sense”?
Maclin was never worth the money KC threw at him!
His stats this year don’t equate to $11 mil / per.
Probably would have won an extra game or three last year if he were on the roster. That is worth $11 mil/per.
I’m really not a Maclin fan, so ………..
His stats in another situation mean nothing to us,… he was overpaid for a few weeks until Dez, Demaryipus, and Julio signed their deals,which then made Maclins deal fair value, representative of a top 2nd tier WR which is what Maclin is….fair value as far as I’m concerned,.. But I know you prefer Desean..
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I would have rather retained Maclin…
No, he’s still overpaid at $11 mil / year and his stats mean plenty.
worth 11 here, clearly not worth 11 in KC where that offense runs through the RB and the TE (on occasion), MAC was djax invisible half the year and that’s in an andy reid office with no WR and where JC went down early.
I would gladly have paid a WR 11 mill if it meant reliable hands on every down.
A question nobody has really answered is how much drops means in terms of points aka wins on how much a win is worth in terms of money.
Rooney rule for women in executive positions in the NFL? Does that really make sense? Am i being hypocritical b/c i believe in a rule for minorities but not women?
Think its a forced rule too be honest.. Are there that many woman in the league or coaching in that matter? Gonna have teams interviewing the same peeps if not that many i guess
is this a thing or you are saying what if there was one.
Goodell announced today – see Roto
You are hypocritical, man. I mean, with all these women players out there and they never even get a shot to be in charge, it’s the man, the male man of course, just keeping them down.
Yes, let’s have a rule for interviewing women executives in a sport that women don’t play, but let’s also still employ known abusers like Tom Cable, Dez Bryant, and Greg Hardy. Absolutely perfect logic.
You realize that a large percentage of current NFL executives never played football professionally, or even at all. They, for the most part, seem to be doing okay.
Don’t get me wrong. First off, I’m not at all against the Rooney Rule. I’m actually a fan of it. I think it does legitimate good without forcing a quota. Check my post history about this.
Second, I’m a huge supporter of women’s rights, and find the salary discrepancy between men and women in the workplace ludicrous.
I tend to have a bit of an issue with this particular “Rooney”-style rule. I don’t think that the lack of female executives in the NFL is due to a lack of opportunity, the way it was with minority hires. I think that it’s just not an industry with a lot of women in it, period. I think people will have a hard time finding women executives to interview. With the Rooney rule, there were a lot of minority candidates all throughout the lower levels of the NFL power structure who never got a chance at the higher positions. But they were in the industry, and had direct industry experience. Are there women out there who could do Howie Roseman’s job? Absolutely. Do any of them have direct experience with the league, or professional football at any level? Not to my knowledge. You’re going to have to look for hires outside the industry. It’s not the case of people in the industry never getting a chance. It’s the case of a male dominated industry at ALL levels, and I think you’d need to tackle it at lower levels before you could start enforcing anything at the executive level.
HOWEVER!!! That is not my problem with this rule, or the source of my comment. My problem is that this is a shameless attempt at PR by a league that otherwise couldn’t give two shits about women, except as a potential new audience. The fact that Tom Cable is still employed in this league, along with Hardy and who knows how many other known abusers (many convicted!), is a disgrace, and no amount of bullshit window dressing or transparent PR moves is going to change the NFL’s abhorrent record of supporting women’s rights.
“My problem is that this is a shameless attempt at PR by a league that otherwise couldn’t give two shits about women, except as a potential new audience. The fact that Tom Cable is still employed in this league, along with Hardy and who knows how many other known abusers (many convicted!), is a disgrace, and no amount of bullshit window dressing or transparent PR moves is going to change the NFL’s abhorrent record of supporting women’s rights.”
Absolutely disgraceful. And your list should include Winston, Peyton Manning, and Johnny Manziel.
The pay discrepancy has largely been debunked. Too lazy to post a source. Google it I guess lol
The debunking of the pay discrepancy has been largely debunked. Google it!
Or go ask Gillian Anderson. Maybe she’s making it up when she says execs from Fox asked her to get paid less than her co-star for the new season of the X-Files.
If the debunking occurred on Fox News, then you might want to rethink your sources.
Too lazy/not interested enough to google it. Fox News lol
“Guys, that thing you said isn’t true. I heard it on the internet. Go Google it.”
“Yes it is true, and you can Google that.”
“I’m too lazy to Google. But no, seriously, you should.”
makes outlandish claim, fails to cite sources, lol
While David Duchovny is no longer an A-lister, he used to be. Anderson never was. She is talented, but never a top star.
I was talking about your point about “interviewing women executives in a sport that women don’t play”. I was simply pointing out that plenty of male executives (and coaches) have never played professional ball (looking at you Any Reid) and have excelled at their jobs. So just because “women don’t play” doesn’t mean they should not have the opportunity to interview. Now if they hire a woman just because she’s a woman and not because she’s qualified, then we have a problem.
But you’re actually pointing out why this rule is so useless. The Rooney Rule was directly addressing something specific to the NFL. Not that there weren’t enough minorities in head coaching positions, but that there was such a disparity between the proportion of minorities in coaching, period, and those who held top level positions. The coaching ranks are filled with people who have been in the sport all their lives, mostly who played at some point or another. The lack of minorities at the top of the pyramid was wildly out of sync with makeup of the industry. Whatever the reason, giving those guys a shot at an interview was a good way to start adjusting things so that the proportions matched the reality at both the top and bottom.
With women, there is no pool of female executives scattered throughout football who aren’t getting a chance at the top positions. The proportion of female employees at the bottom is pretty much the same as that of female employees at the top. It’s not the same kind of problem that the Rooney Rule was designed to address. Goodell is trying to use a hammer to fix a screw, and only because it gives the impresssion of caring.
I’m all for addressing things like pay equality based on gender, but this is just an artificial manipulation that doesn’t solve any actual problems. If you’re worried about the lack of women executives in football, you have to start at the bottom and address the lack of female employees, period. It’s the same as the lack of females in tech positions. You can try to level the playing field, but at some point you have to address why women don’t go into science and math training as much as men, which starts when kids are in school.
In short, you’re right, you don’t have to play football to work in football. But rules about who gets interviewed in top positions don’t work if there is no pool of candidates at the lower positions.
I understand it for marketing and accounting positions. There just aren’t enough women in personnel positions right now to make the Rooney Rule realistic there. I’m sure Amy Trask and Dawn Aponte will be interviewed everywhere. You’re better off in applying the Rooney Rule for women for lowest level of personnel positions now and gradually implement at higher levels of power.
Executive or coaching? I think there’s plenty of women with skills to be in the executive positions, but not enough for coaching.
Considering all the fans that are women, this is long overdue IMO. There are plenty of qualified women to be CFO/CIO/CISO/VP/etc.
That’s my read on “executive” positions. If they mean coaching and the like, I’d tend to agree with you.
Yes, it’s not for coaching positions, but “executive” (read Front Office) positions.
Thanks. Then I do believe there’s needs to be better representation.
As I said, executives in business areas of the operation, yes. This seems to apply to executives in all areas and there really aren’t enough qualified candidates at the lower level to promote into personnel executive roles.
Absolutely agree. There aren’t enough women in low level positions to worry about then not getting a fair shake for the high level positions. If anything, you need to address it at the low level first.
But of course addressing women’s issues isn’t nearly as important as the PERCEPTION of addressing women’s issues, to the NFL. Any more than player safety is more important than the PERCEPTION of addressing player safety.
Goodell’s leadership of the league has been filled with atrocities like this.
What a joke… WHERE does this crap stop?
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I don’t see any gay , Lesbian, transsexuals getting a fair shot in the NFL. What about their rights? From now on every HC search needs to include a transsexual client..
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What about equality for those poor native Americans suffering because Snyder named a team after them? I don’t see enough native Americans getting NFL jobs, we,need to make sure each franchise also interviews a native american candidate..
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And those poor Asian Americans, years and years of not getting a fair shake at NFL jobs.. What About equality for Asian Americans in the NFL?
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When does this crap stop? If a franchise wants to have any success, they will hire whoever the best qualified person for the job is…. If Franchises are stupid enough to let race or gender, or sexual orientation keep them from hiring the most qualified people for the job, they are only punishing themselves… Equality for EVERYONE… Open up the Rooney rule to forcing teams to interview woman, and where does it start? I can name plenty of other groups Of people that rarely get interviewed in this league… Now this crap is going overboard..
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It’s 2015, if you are dumb enough to screw with your business and take a less qualified candidate because you don’t want to hire a more qualified black man, or woman, or Native American, THATS your problem. Your Franchise, your business is going to pay the price for your actions… You either open up the Rooney rule to all minority groups or you put an end to this crap, if you only stick up for certain groups then you are discriminating against other groups. Where does this end.
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Business isn’t a hobby… If you are willing to risk your lively hood by not hiring the best qualified people, odds are your business will suffer for being pig headed
Next expansion of Rooney rule: the Wasteam has to interview a Native American candidate for every job opening every year.
Yes it make sense.
Dez Bryant tweeting to Demarco: “Come On Home” smh….Should have known better than to sign a cowboy
2nd rounder please.
We give one or get one?
get! Chip ain’t here.
We wish… Untradable unless he restructures his deal.
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And if we can trade him, we would be lucky To get a conditional 6th
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RB’s are devalued, who the hell would think that they need to trade for his contract, and give up trade compensation to solve their RB problems?
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Id take a 6th and run if it was offered, but I’m not even sure that’s realistic
I only demand that level of comp from Dallas.
I’m willing to be flexible with the other 30 teams.
“I like your style. I like your moves…”
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I feel like I’m repeating all of D3’s comments tonight, but he mentioned months ago that you’d only “reward” Murray by letting him go back to Dallas if they paid through the nose for him.
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/695363958216077312
I think these “rumblings” are kind of silly and pointless. Chip isn’t here anymore, folks. You grumble about wanting out, we’re not going to just cut you.
I know. The only way he’s gone is if they trade him. But tbh, I worry about keep just Mathews if that’s the case because he’s more injury prone than Mr. Glass.
trade murray, even sproles, keep matthews and a rookie, i’ll live.
No but from a cap standpoint he’s fairly tradeable. You’re not going to get a whole lot back but a late day 3 pick in 2017 that conditions up to a fourth or fifth if he hits certain numbers would be doable. The $4 million in cap room is the real prize.
If they really want out, it’s not rocket science. They would need to renegotiate his contract to make it more appealing to a trade partner…. Murray has no leverage after this past season, if he wants out, he will have to play ball at the renegotiating Table because I doubt many teams are linning up to give up anything for Him at his current contract..
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And if im not mistaken, cutting Him would cost some absurd 12mil cap hit or something prohibitive like that..,
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I guess if they really wanted a divorce, we could grant his agent permission to look for a trade, but trade partners will insist on altering his current deal…. So if he wants to keep his big contract, he has to shut up and start producing, because I doubt anyone would give up anything to take on his deal as is constructed now.
Lets sign OBJ cousin RB Terron!
Kelce played through knee injuries this season. Hey Kelce, GET OFF THE FIELD NEXT TIME.
Get him a cranberry juice.
Knew this revelation was coming.
Typical Flyers type “revelation” that is used to excuse poor play that the team refused to acknowledge in-season. Such a brutal cop out.
In other news, Chip was coaching with a clinically large deposits of adipose tissue in the cephalic region, which caused many of the bad decisions.
LOL
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/4/10918594/eagles-position-review-jason-kelce-center-offensive-line-injury-knee-2015-season-david-molk
Here is the link to this embarrassment.
He better be ready this year.
No shot. We better draft a center so we can cut Kelce going into 2017
Well if this team is really going back to the Andy Reid model then expect Kelce to be the center for the foreseeable future i.e. Jamal Jackson. Not advocating that but I can see Big Red having too big of an influence on Pederson and giving him recommendations for keep Kelce.
Or maybe we go back to big fat lineman and Kelce goes bye-bye. Didn’t they get him because he fit the mold Mudd wanted?
That would make drafting OL a hell of a lot easier.
Don’t really think Lane fits the mold of the mauler type o-lineman and if he is the LT of the future then highly doubtful they go back to primarily power blocking scheme. If I remember correctly you are correct that Kelce was a Mudd pick. Would be great if the Eagles were to somehow trade Kelce in for Alex Mack.
IMO Lane is good enough to break any specifications that Pederson may want. He can be both physical and finesse, but if they really want a mauler at LT – they could just keep LJ at LT and have bookends for a very long time.
Honestly I don’t see any physicality in LJ. He’s finesse.
I I think Lane could actually fit that type, it’s just not the style that was required by Kelly. It’s possible it could bring out the best in him.
KC’s center in 2013 and 2014 was Rodney Hudson who is stylistically very similar to Kelce. Hudson got big bucks from Oakland this year so they replaced him with Mitch Morse, who I liked alot as a G candidate for us. He’s a bit taller than most C but he also moves well.
Kelces also pretty much league average size wise for C.
Morse was a guy I would have loved to drafted last year together with Trai Turner in 14
I was higher than just about everybody on Morse and I was shocked he went where he did. Mizzou’s DL gets all the hype but they’ve been very quietly producing some very good OL products the last few years as well.
We should draft a center who can also long snap. Two roster spots for the price of one!
Nice!
For who? Id rather have a one legged Kelce than Molk (who was injured) or any of the other slop on this roster.. Get off the field, When the next man up is Josh Andrews? Scary proposition..
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Hopefully one of our starting Guard upgrades also has Center experience, upgrading our guard position while also becoming KELCE primary back up, in whch case we can bring Gardner off the bench to fill in at the Guard spot he would vacate moving to center if KELCE ever gets hurt
Was just gonna type Id rather have a one legged Kelce than a healthy Molk.
What’s funny, is MOST wpuld probably agree. What’s the story behind!olk writing an anti NFL book or something?
here’s the link if you care. I think its really dumb. He should have waited until he retired. The only reason its remotely interesting is because it involves my team. Even then, I’m not bothering with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ51Scu8oY
“Id rather have a one legged Kelce than Molk”
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Talk about a strawman argument . . .
No one’s advocating that Molk replace Kelce.
The question on the table is whether Kelce — who once again, for the 4th straight season, had performance-degrading injuries — is the right guy for the job.
Problem solved
Round 1 Pick 13: Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama (B-)
Round 3 Pick 14: Evan Boehm, C, Missouri (C-)
Round 3 Pick 16: Nick Kelly, C, Arizona State (F)
Round 4 Pick 15: Sean McEwen, C, Calgary (F)
Round 5 Pick 14: Robert Kugler, C, Purdue (F)
Round 5 Pick 23: Matt Skura, C, Duke (D-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Andrew Ness, C, Northern Illinois (F)
Round 7 Pick 12: Joey Hunt, C, TCU (F)
Round 7 Pick 30: Ty Darlington, C, Oklahoma (D-)
Using the Ron Wolf standard — hit on 33% of your picks and be happy — the Eagles will loaded at Center!
Corner the market by holding all the centers hostage and force other teams to trade us picks. Genius or Madness?!
Are not all geniuses tinged with a bit of madness?
I’m not sure about madness, but “angry” is my default setting.
A third alternative.
hey that’s a quote from someone who went to Oregon so doesn’t count
You want everybody fired
Nope, just Kelce.
KO
Nice!
I felt the need to spite draft.
Boehm is a real piss and vinegar type. You’ll like him.
That’s good! Think he gets pushed up the board like Morse did last year?
(And Justin Britt the year before)
He’s probably more of a C that you can probably play at G but isn’t ideal (he’s 6’2). Britt and Morse both had the ability to play some T. OL twitter is with me on Boehm though. I think he’s probably a 4th or 5th round guy. But I would be shocked to see him go early 3rd, or conversely fall to the 6th or 7th (C’s are super undervalued)
http://i.imgur.com/Du4Tf.gif
Draft a center/OG type in the middle rounds to go with our early drafted OT/OG.
How come no one mentioning Barret Jones as cover for Kelce?
Great point!
Because he’s not good.
So was Kelly fibbing with the weekly injury list — never once reporting Kelce was even probable with a knee? In violation of NFL rules?
Oh, right, I just remembered . . . Kelly doesn’t know anything about his player’s injuries. Only the trainers do.
Kelly just focused on game planning around the 3×5 card distributed in Spring Camp to the player as their playbook.
from footballoutsiders re the collection of injury data:
“This data was gathered primarily from injury reports… but we rely on teams to truthfully and correctly report injuries. We know there’s a lot of variation in how teams report — both whether they even put a guy on the list, and the level of detail they’re willing to give out (a true MCL sprain could be a “Knee,” “Knee Sprain,” “Knee — MCL,” or “Knee — MCL sprain” in our database) — so all these analyses are contingent on that data being valid. Garbage in, garbage out.
Additionally, there are some player injuries not included in these statistics…Thus, our total number of injuries is probably an underestimate of the true number of injuries…
Finally, the week that an injury “occurred” is the first week the player is listed on the injury report. So if a player appears with a groin injury in Week 4 in our dataset, we do not know exactly when he suffered that injury: it could have been in the Week 3 game or in practices leading up to Week 4.”
What irks me are the people who condemn players for pulling themselves off the field when they’re injured. This is what happens when you play hurt. Is this what you wanted??
Considering how bad he played all year? Yes that is exactly what I wanted even if we had to plug in the awful OL that we have behind him.
We have FRANCH fries, FRANCH dressing, and Peru!
Guys, this is 100% pure snow! Do you know what the street value of this stuff is!??
Gold Standard needs some polishing. http://www.phillyvoice.com/pretty-sure-howie-roseman-took-little-shot-chip-kelly/
WARNING: CLICK BAIT
Another fail by Kempski. I don’t get that from what he said even a little bit.
Warning: Sarcasm… /sigh
Drivel
Here is a stand pat draft where I unlucky at QB, but didn’t trade down because Stanley was there for me at 13.
Round 1 Pick 13: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A-)
Round 4 Pick 15: Javon Hargrave, DT, South Carolina State (B)
Round 5 Pick 14: Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois (A)
Round 5 Pick 23: Kevin Byard, SS, Middle Tennessee (B+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Brandon Doughty, QB, Western Kentucky (B-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Cre’von LeBlanc, CB, Florida Atlantic (A-)
Round 7 Pick 30: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (B-)
McShay has us going Conklin at 13, Paxton went 15… Whatever that means
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Conklin is not worth pick 13.
McShay is a turd for mocking us that type of pic.
D3 already dissed Conklin as a turd not worth that pick.
F McShay.
D3 said means Nothing to me, sorry…. But I have no idea if Conklin is worth a damn, let alone the #13 pick.. The Nkemdiche kid went 14, Paxton went 15… I love how Mcshays mock gets so much respect that they put it on the espn ticker all day as if it’s so e valuable news.. But I def feel you on the Fuck McShay..
D3 puts a lot of time into scouting players, so I tend to take his opinions on players (with or without agreement) seriously.
But Conklin got his ass up on far too many occasions if you read up on him.
Walterfootball lists him as the #3 OT in the draft. Which conclusively proves D3’s assessment as not worthy of pick #13 as correct.
I like a lot of what Walter has on there, but Conklin is poop.
I’m not sure how I feel about having a guy name Jihad on the team.
If he brings that holy war and cuts off Eli’s head in the process; I’m feeling VERY good about Jihad.
YES! YES! Soooooo YES!!!
things might get a little out of control if he was actually good?
If it involves being anti-Giants, there isn’t a damn thing wrong with being out of control about it.
I’d be cool with it if he was the gunner on ST.
just don’t throw him a bomb
If he were on the Eagles he’d be dropping bombs all over.
heyooooooooooo
I think it’s the equivalent of having someone named Crusade on the team. Would be kinda cool, actually.
Followed up by Quest?
“Jihad in Islam: The literal meaning of Jihad in Arabic language is “to strive” or “to endeavor.”
We love guys who try hard.
Not so cute:
“The Encyclopaedia of Islam’s entry for “jihad” by Emile Tyan states that the “spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general … Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam … Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated.””
http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam
at least we aren’t going to draft Osama Jackson.
Not sure if this was discussed in the last couple of days.
https://twitter.com/ZBerm/status/694946819890020352
People/writers have way too much fear about the FO, because they aint getting any leaks anymore that will resort to fear mongering instead and baseless speculate.
Bennie Logan can play. He is gonna kill it this year in 4-3. I think he will be almost as good as Cox in a 1 gap.
And that might wind up being the last you see of him in town.
As sad as it is to say, you might be right MM.
Can’t keep ’em all.
Can’t keep them all? Logan and Cox are the only ones worth a damn.. Who else you wanna keep? Beau Cheap may not be great fit. Bair,cheap and gone, Taylor Hart cheap and needs to get traded,,,, isn’t the point of letting such a quality starter like Thornton Walk, because they know we have to keep Logan and Cox, and that we can’t keep them all?
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I wish I saw this roster THATS so damn stacked, that we can’t retain our best draft picks like Logan, but I don’t see it… I also don’t think I can name a single player on defense besides Cox that we should pay instead of Logan…
Gotta get JP, Murray, Maxwell out. Logam probably has to wait another year for a deal, then there will be plenty of money for him. Who needs to get paid out of the 2014 guys, Jmatt? That 2014 draft is looking like complete trash right now.
What’s problematic about having to make Bennie wait the year is that he’s going to have to get tagged if you don’t want him getting a mega-offer from somebody else.
I hope we can keep him, but that can really be a tough go.
If Bennie rocks it this year like we all think he can playing next to Fletcher Cox, you’re going to wind up having to franchise tag him if you don’t want him getting a mega offer from another team. I don’t want the guy leaving, but there isn’t an unlimited amount of money available under the cap.
Unless we can get a deal done in summer……. Logan, Cox, Curry, and Sproles are my favorite players.
Even if Logan leaves and doesn’t go to nfceast I will root for him
Not sure Logan leaves.
Peoples fear of the cap right now is way overblown. The rise in cap this year alone pays for Curry. Next years rise will most likely pay for Logan no problems and we have some major cap hits going off soon.
Next year Maxwell, Murray and JP will most likely not be on
That is certainly true, but I thin my lack of knowing if we’re paying a QB $18 – $20 mil AAV on the cap is why I have questions.
They can afford him. The question will be about resource allocation. Even if you let Barwin go after the season, you’d be looking at spending 40-45 mil on your DL alone.
It’s workable because Kendricks is the only LB that actually costs anything and Maxwell likely comes off the books, but it’s still 25% of your cap room to the DL alone.
http://overthecap.com/player/mychal-kendricks/770/
2017 can’t get here soon enough.
That fool needs to stop making so many mistakes in 2016 or I’m going to be done with him. I have no idea what Davis asked of his LBs in terms of reading plays etc,. but Kendricks needs to flourish as a “run and hit” WIL or he needs to be gone.
Ehhhh I’m not too worried about Kendricks.
I’m tired of the blown coverages and whiffed tackles from him.
If Schwartz cleans that up, I’ll be quite happy.
Truth!!
Agreed. I like that avatar to, GOT all day.
A rabbi, a Hispanic, and a wet nurse walk into a lobby.
“You must be here for the Rooney Rule interviews.”
It took every ounce of self control I have to not post a picture of the wet nurse from The Last Emperor.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all {white} men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…” U.S. Declaration of Independence.
Of course all the signers were white men and slave holders.
240 years later – not much has really changed.
No one in the U.S. Owns slaves. You should rent that Lincoln movie if it’s available in Canada. I don’t understand how your comment is at all true.
Nestle just admitted to using slave labor in cocoa production. I don’t know if any of those evil pricks live in the states though.
Good point, Dude. So much of the Western standard of living is due to slave or slavery-like exploitation in the rest of the world, which makes it easier to wash our hands of it.
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer?
What the hell are you talking about? So a reference to women being required to be interviewed is related to the DOI and white men and slave owners?
Actually, a lot has changed…
A lot has changed. Which, however, highlights by contrast just how much has stayed the same.
It’s a remarkable aspect of American culture that the following two types of people exist:
1) People who act like there has been zero progress in social and civil rights issues, despite all the gains on both that have actually been made.
2) People who act like everything in America is just fine on the social and civil rights fronts, and like there are no issues of race or discrimination, because, well, I don’t know, maybe they just don’t like to think about nasty things.
These two polar extremes make up way too much of the population and make any rational discussion of equality and civil rights very difficult.
Sums it up pretty well
Humans are complex, and the media that controls discourse is a disease-riddled cesspool that disproportionately and simplistically gives voice to the two themes you propose. It favors the forces of ALLCAPS, one might say. Moderation, nuance, and balance lose in this environment and only can exist in individuals with a bit of a rebellious streak.
Moderates (of any stripe, and I tend to define them as people who reside inside the Overton window) tend to be people invested in the status quo, almost by definition. Moderation, of course, is something different from being a moderate.
Good point, though I wasn’t really talking about moderates as in the political class. More the tendency of the media to favor sensationalistic ideas and the “special interest groups” with the means to effectively propagate their views. I had never heard of the Overton window, but that is a nice concept. We have a very narrow Overton window here in the US. It seems to be expanding slightly, both in the fascistic and socialistic poles. However, given even our poor have a higher standard of living than 99% of people who have ever lived on this planet, I think some aspects of the status quo have value.
I tend to think the window is actually splitting, as I’m not sure there’s much overlap between the windows of Berniebots and Tea Partiers. But at this point I have to admit I’m punching above my weight class on this subject.
And how many “white men” died 60 years later in the Civil War to change that? Moron!
It’s debateable how many *died* for that reason. Obviously, none of the southern soldiers did, they were fighting against that. From the North, there were many reasons for the war, including abolition, economic protectionism, and nationalism. But for the vast majority of northerners that actually did the dying, the reason was that they were drafted, and would have been shot if they refused to fight.
Jim Crow laws were enacted as soon as Reconstruction was over, and women were in many states still treated as the property of their husbands or fathers until the 1950s. And obviously, overt racism didn’t *start* ending in many parts of the country until a decade after that.
The current level of overt racism and sexism is extremely low, historically speaking, but the economic consequences of generations of such still exert a heavy hand on current circumstances.
It seems to be the case that both Northerners and even in same respects Southerners became much more racist after the war. See “Sundown towns”, for example. These were places where Blacks were not allowed to spend the night as a result, usually from intentional policy. There were Black mayors during reconstruction in the South, and anti-miscegenation laws really only mattered after the Civil War.
Many northerners were just as racist as the southerners before the war – they just advocated (like Lincoln) “shipping them back,” rather than enslaving them. Tack on the inevitable backlash from all the trauma that survivors were dealing with (displaced feelings of anger, etc.) and it’s probably not too surprising.
It was a very interesting dynamic for the south after the war. There was an interesting coalition of working poor whites and freed slaves that rose during reconstruction. But there was a concerted effort by the moneyed class to drive a racial wedge between them in order to protect the status quo. Echoes of that political campaign can be seen in the Southern Strategy.
I like it, but the rabbi is a white man so….
If the rabbi is a Hispanic wet nurse, she’ll definitely land the job.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000629975/article/fourround-mock-draft-cowboys-grab-qb-wentz-at-no-4
I don’t even have words for this..well I do but those are words that sailors won’t even use.
Round 1 – A’Shawn Robinson – DT, Alabama
Wait what? Unless we decide not to resign Bennie Logan then this makes some sense. Not that Robinson is a bad player but are we going to invest in a run stuffer?
Insomniac’s pick – I would rather just trade down for an attacking DT like Sheldon Rankins or Vernon Butler who went later at pick 26/37 if we have to have a DT. Not to mention some good DTs would be available in later rounds too. Alternatively, if the Eagles organization thinks that they can handle Noah Spence then that could be a good pick too.
Round 3 – Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State
Hackenberg sucks. End of discussion.
Insomiac’s pick – Germain Ifedi. Ifedi, an OT/OG that has a high ceiling who went 7 picks later to the Redskins. He needs to sit for a year so our OL coach can refine his techniques and bad habits. I can see him playing either OG spots or RT in the future.
Philadelphia Eagles: Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
Square peg meets circle. Once again mock drafters just plug in guys just to fill in needs. Turner isn’t a bad player but he is definitely not going to do well in a zone blocking scheme.
Insominac’s choice – I would rather take Christian Westerman instead of Turner but Westerman went a round later but you know what? I don’t give a shit give me my guy. Westerman can play in the ZBS but needs to get stronger.
Philadelphia Eagles: Jayron Kearse, SS, Clemson
I’m not a fan of Kearse. Another physical tools guy that seems like he only plays it for the potential cash he could get. The sad thing is he could make a ton more if he would put in the work.
Insomiac’s choice – Harlan Miller. Need CBs that have the potential to start. Harlan could be a year 2 starter if he gets some NFL coaching and a diet that can add about 15 pound to his frame. I’m also holding out hope that we can sign Iloka in FA for a SS.
That entire draft is trash, but thank you for posting it. I think the trade down from 13 guy who’d like like in the next set of picks that dude did was Darron Lee at 19. Maybe we’d talk Buffalo into moving up to 13 to get Lynch.
Turner fits.
Zone blocking doesn’t necessarily mean Alex Gibbs or Chip style OL. Alabama and the Seahawks both run heavy ZBS.
and Stoutland should be an better at coaching the Bama type than the Gibbs type
Give me the traditional ZBS type guys then since the Seahawks OL stink.
There issues have more to do with being obssesed with SPARQ, CABLE being a bad coach, and a bunch of other things rather than the philosophy.
D3FB, Just watched some Landon Turner for the second time, specifically his game against Clemson. I did indeed come away impressed more so than the first time I watched. His positives out way the negatives and include a great base, good use of hands, doesn’t get pushed back, can pull when called upon and can get to the second level. However I do question his speed/agility on the pulls and getting to the second level. I do think he does a great job on run plays of engaging the defender and turning him out of the running lane. I wish he had a bit more of a mean streak that I could see on the field although I did see him blindside a guy who wasn’t looking. *hue hue* I only saw one false start in the game I watched with no other penalties which is of subtle importance because we know how much personal fouls and holding hurt drives. Overall, I see a powerful guard who anchors well and is an asset in both the running and passing game and held his own quite comfortably against the #1 team in Clemson. I think he lacks agility which is understandable for a man his size. Disciplined player at the guard who would be good value in the late 2nd/3rd due to position played. Thoughts?
“a great base, good use of hands, doesn’t get pushed back, can pull when called upon and can get to the second level. However I do question his speed/agility on the pulls and getting to the second level.”
Baby steps. We have human turnstiles playing guard right now.
Agreed. I think the three guys he reminds me of are Laken Tomlinson, Larry Warford, and Gabe Jackson.
He may not be the slickest athlete but he’s just a damn good football player.
He tracks and works angles well so I think he fits in either a gap or zone scheme. He’s not a guy you’re going to want in space a bunch but he can be effective in small doses.
The one concern I have is he seemed to be playing a bit heavy this year. I think you probably want to take 10-15lbs off of him. Not a huge issue but they’ll have to do their due diligence he isn’t a guy who is going to eat himself out of the league.
Also it’s phonebooth.
Didn’t we keep some of Chip Kelly’s “scientists” (thank you Bart Scott) for that purpose?
I don’t think you neccessarily even need sports science. A good S&C program and a dietitian are all he needs.
It’s not uncommon for alot of college interior linemen to carry a bit too much weight. You get a little too carried away during the cultivating mass stage and then tell yourself you’re there to move people not look pretty.
I’d also imagine with much greater access to these guys, you can keep them doing better things in your facility rather than the campus dining hall.
Yep. Unless a guys weight is way out of control he isn’t being babysat by the strength coach or nutritionist in college.
So what the F was going on at Georgia with Max Jean Gilles?
God guns grits and gravy?
I’m a Triple G fan when he boxes, quadruple G is a bit much for me.
Adding guns to GGG’s already potent arsenal might be a bit much.
Lol! The autocorrect! Havent you ever heard of a guy being described as a “phonebook” guy?!?!?! Corrected.
No one is gettting away from him in a 12″ by 12″ space!
https://www.facebook.com/1413396295546037/videos/1726632530889077/
As long as the draft pick winds up being one of the very bust guys in this draft, there isn’t a single position group I’d consider “out of play” for our pick at 13 except for RB.
I can talk myself into two O-line, a WR or two, two QBs, several Dline, two DBs, and a LB or two at 13.
My fear is that all of the actually good players will be gone by our pick at 13.
“one of the very bust guys in this draft” a very unfortunate typo, we’ve had enough of those.
I’d agree with that…. a NEED isnt just a position where you lack a starter. Maybe we can look at other sports that way, but with the high probability of injuries, a position that looks to be “Set” today, is one injury away from being a serious Need..
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For example, it looks lke we are set at starting CB this year with Max and ROWE starting.. But if you know that you are counting down the days to when we can axe Maxwells contract, you have to view it as a NEED. It’s much better to draft a guy a year before he is a NEED, instead of axing starters and then having to scramble for his replacement, creating a new immediate need.
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It’s easier and healthier to move on from a starter, if your already have a replacement that you trust being groomed to step in… in an Ideal world, we would always be able to draft a replacement a year before we need him, unfortunateky it doesmt always work out that way, but that’s what our front office should strive for, seeing Future NEEDS a year or two ahead, and working to fill that Need before we actually move on from the starter…
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I am clueless about this draft class. But it’s pretty depressing to be picking #13, and hear that there may not be 13 elite prospects in this draft class.. I hope to be picking in the 20’s next year, pretty crappy if we pick at #13 and can’t get a legit top level prospect..
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I agree, although I’d probably not include a WR at 13. Too many resources already invested there recently, and I don’t think a great #1 is a big influence in being a SB team.
Yup. Another season where a completely meaningless win during the last game costs the Eagles a few precious spots in the draft.
Nature vs nurture.
I found this quote from John DeFilippo, the new QB coach, interesting:
“There are really very few quarterbacks who don’t make it in this league because they bring it on themselves,” said DeFilippo. “The majority of guys who don’t make it in this league are really a product of the system they are in. Are there a bunch of coaching changes? How many offenses do they have to learn within the first five or six years in the league?
“How good are they up front? Do they have anybody who can get open?”
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20160205_Birds__new_QB_coach_knows_Philly__and_QBs.html#LKfG5pm8R5AYleEC.99
I don’t bring this up because obviously this relates to Bradford, but more so on the belief in the coaching community that with the right coaches, teammates, scheme, etc., could anyone of the three top QBs this year become potential franchise players? Think back to McNabb, would he have been a bust in Cleveland if he were drafted #1 overall and Andy was not his coach? Would Couch have succeeded in Philly? How about David Carr? In Houston had a terrible offensive line during his tenure and a defensive head coach (Dom Capers). Heck, I wonder if Sanchez wasn’t drafted by the Jets and coached by Rex Ryan if he would have been successful (as a player that wasn’t carried by his defense) and not currently a backup.
This thinking by DeFilippo seems to jive why Lurie was only going after offensive-minded head coaches and the model in which Pederson built his offensive staff (Reich and DeFilippo). Being the eternal optimist, I can’t help but think that whether we resign Sam, or draft a QB early, they will have a fighting chance of being successful (barring injury).
Seems to me like you can ruin a good QB, but you can’t really make one. YMMV.
That’s the way I see it. Some guys, the generational guys, can rise above crappy coaching and a crappy team (especially a crappy line – I actually think WRs are less of an issue in this context, so long as you have a good coach). But outside of that, you need to have a good coach and good OL to develop a good prospect properly in the NFL. A true developmental league would be great, but it’s pretty obvious that’s not happening any time soon.
I dunno if I agree with that. What’s your definition of good?
I would say Donny was an average quarterback, at best, with phenomenal scrambling ability. He was fully a product of the system and coaching, not the other way around. Heck, I doubt he would even be drafted in the 1st three rounds today. People love to point out his shitty receivers, but let’s face it, Donny was not an anticipation thrower. His career was based on the deep ball and the curl/comeback. If he didn’t see the white’s of a receiver’s eyes, his typically scrambled or threw it elsewhere.
Definition of good… I guess maybe top 15-20?
Your analysis of 5 is way off, friend. He had some howling weaknesses, but enough strengths to be very effective. Just not as good as we wanted. In his early years, his athleticism made him a special player; in his later years, he scored with his world-class bombs and the occasional accurate streak. Fringe top 10 for a good long time. Would easily be a top 5 pick in any draft. 3rd round draft picks are like Barkley or Kolb, maybe Bradford if people knew what they were getting.
Just look at the stats.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm
I guess I should have worded my description of McNabb a little differently. He was an average passer, at best. He is probably top 5 all-time as a runner/scrambler.
For example of how he compares to QBs coming out today, Brett Hundley had a 67% completion rate in college compared to Donny’s 58%. Undley had 1,700 yards rushing in 3 years at UCLA while Donny had 1500 in four years at Syracuse. Yet Hundley was a 5th round pick and Donny was #2 overall. The NFL now puts a premium on being a passer and I’m not so sure McNabb would even be given a chance now.
So you are talking about his college performance, then? I don’t pay much attention to that stuff, but I assume the difference in their stats has more to do with the changes in the league than a differential in their talent or production. Hundley has a long way to go before being mentioned in the same breath as Donnie. In any case, in the NFL, 5 had several world-class abilities, his deep ball, his judgment, his legs, that allowed him to be effective for a long time. It’s a shame that handicapped himself by neglecting the run when it was wide open.
No. You said you can’t make a good quarterback. I’m saying Andy made Donovan a good quarterback. He had poor passing traits and good running skills. He developed his deep ball after several years (and with the help of TO).
As for college, I am just comparing Hundley coming out of college vs Donny coming out of college. 1998 Donny would not be considered a good prospect in the 2016 draft.
Okay, it took a long while, but now I get your point. He did improve his first few years as a passer, but found his ceiling rather quickly. I would argue that his biggest strengths, however, were inherent. No one taught him to be fast and strong and elusive or gave him a bazooka for an arm. And he never turned it over.
By the way, I looked up Donnie’s college career and you might be underrating him–just a bit.
“He ranked sixth in the nation with a 158.9 passing efficiency rating and 22nd in total offense, with 233.8 yards per game. He tied a school record with 4 touchdown passes against Cincinnati, and scored 5 touchdowns against Miami (3 rushing and 2 passing). McNabb was also teammates with future NFL star Marvin Harrison for one season at Syracuse.
McNabb was named the Big East’s offensive player of the decade for the 1990s,[14] and Big East Offensive Player of the Year three times from 1996–98,[12] as well as the first-team all-conference vote earner in each of his four seasons. Later, he was named to the Syracuse All-Century Football team.[15]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donovan_McNabb#Football
McNabb probably deserves more respect than that…. Back when McNabb actually ran the ball, he was a pretty dangerous young weapon. He had a pretty nice career as a deep ball thrower. Used his TE’s well…I think alot of his short comings came from personality and cHarechter flaws… As Tôugh as McNabb was on the field, he seemed to lack that mental toughness, and he damn sure lacked “thick skin” and he apparently Wasnt the true leader you need at that QB position, where leadership comes with the job description..Donovan may have not had that best WR’s, but playing with a weapon like Westbrook is going to inflate your stats. throwing a short pass to a RB is an easier, higher probability throw than hitting a WR in stride 12 yards down field….
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So While McNabb may have not had WR’s, few QBs got to play wifh a weapon like Westbrook… Wonder what percentage of McNabbs passing yards come from throwing short to a RB, and westbrook doing all the work in yards after catch? If we are going to acknowledge that he may have lacked Ideal WR talemt, we also have to keep it real and acknowledge that he benefitted from such a special weapon in westbrook that not many QBs were Lucky enough to have
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If McNabb had Bradfords intermediate accuracy, and threw with the anticipation bradford possesses, McNabb could have really been a special QB…. What’s frustrating is the accuracy and anticipation we see in Bradford, is much better suited to QB a west coast offense that wants to throw 60% of the time. While Reid put McNabb in a healthy environment To succeed, im not sure that Andys. West coast offense was the best scheme to Maximize McNabbs talents… I think a QB wifh Sams skillset would have been much better suited for the style of Offense andy puf Mcnabb in..
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Andy provided Donovan with quality coaching, he sorrounded Donovan with a quality OL. And a BIGTIME defense, but I can’t help wonder how much better McNabbs career could have been had Reid designed an offense better suited for McNabbs skillset, instead of forcing McNabb into a west coast offense which isn’t the ideal fit for McNabbs skill set.
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Doesnt seem like a great idea to me, to take a QB who doesmg throw guys open, and lacks short, intermediate accuracy/ball placement, and put that QB in an offense where short, timing based passes took the place of traditional run game…. To some extent its square peg in a round hole-ish..
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I can’t help wonder how much more effective he could have been, had we ran an offense that actually stressed pounding the ball with RB’s 30 times a game, and really weaponize that play action deep ball that McNabb threw so well…. Lol we actually had success off of play action, even tho no one believed we would actually run the ball. Can’t help Imagine how muchmore potent Mcnabbs deep ball ability could have been had we actually pounded the ball with our RB causing defenses to actually bite on the play action fakes
A popular opinion seems to be that you need a top 10 QB if you want to contend for a SB… While that surely helps, im not sure I buy that. I think you can contend wifh QBs ranked 10-20 if sorrounded with enough talent and coaching.
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I think the better the QB, the more flaws he can cover up for your team… Take BRady for Example. He played behind a mess of an OL all year, yet he is so damn special, that he was actually able to cover up a lot of those OL weaknesses all year,which may be one of the greatest compliments you can give a QB.. A Lessor QB,and that Patriots OL would have been exposed months ago
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you sorround a good but not Great QB like Alex Smifh with a stacked roster and quality coaches, and you should be in position to contend. For example, you can win a SB with Alex Smith as the QB for that 2000 Ravens team. Alex smith could have handed the ball off all game, played the field position game making sure not to turn the ball over, and hit Shannon Sharpe for a big play or two each game, which is basically How trent Dilfer got his ring…
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Rex Grossman led a Bears team to a SB.
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I doubt a guy like Alex smith could have contended behind the Patriots OL the way BRady was able to do, yet replace Cam Newton with Alex Smith, and a carolina still contends this year IMO
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I think that not having a top 10 QB is a cop out for franchises. If you build a good enough team, around the 15th ranked QB, give him at least 3 years Continuity under quality Coaching, you can contend with a QB ranked putside the top 10, he will just need more help than a top 3 QB…
There’s a bit to chew on there, but my immediate reaction to your comment is 1) Ozzie Newsome should get a residual payment every time someone references his 2000 SB team as proof that you don’t need a franchise QB to win a SB. It is more the exception that proves the rule imo. 2) If more NFL FO’s could “stack” a roster, they would. The jonesing for a franchise QB probably correlates directly with the frustration through the league at being mediocre, despite (or because of) the NFL policies of rewarding the worst the most, and the best the least. 3) “Franchise QB” is a somewhat subjective label. Is Andy Dalton one? Is Matt Stafford? Cutler? 4) I don’t think Carolina makes it to the SB with Smith replacing Newton.
I do agree with you that the whining by the HC’s and GM’s and owners is over the top. The Eagles had a franchise QB and failed big in surrounding him with adequate support. I would love to get a FO that actually stockpiled talent and kept the commentary to a minimum. The better they do at every other position, the less they need to worry and complain about the absence of a franchise QB.
Right, the Baltimore defense that year is I think top 10 ALL TIME. I think I saw this on football outsiders or somewhere (Eagles 1991 was first). You can’t assume your defense can ever get that good.
Franchise QB is tough. I feel bad for Dalton this year, freak injury at the wrong time. Can some QB’s be almost close but not elite, but then occasionally play well enough if the defense hits its stride at the same time?
Fair enough, I agree with most Of that, but Not to nitpick, but id rather open the criteria up to QBs who have took a team to as SB, instead of making It about Super Bowl winning QBs…and if we open it to QBs who have made it to the SB, what Ravens accomplished wirh Dilfer isn’t as rare… Grossman and the Bears defense was a similar blueprint, even Kapernick and the Niners
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Russel Wilson had some big Super Bowl performances, but on the way to the SUPERBOWL,, a lot of those wins came from stout defense, offense carried by monster RBs, with a QB throwing 25 times for 200 yards And making a big play down field once or twice a game, (not that different from how that Ravens team got to the Super Bowl..
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Great Defense, Runningback carrying a ball control offense isn’t the rare blueprint to success it’s made out to Be… It’s pretty common for what teams strive for when they aren’t fortunate enough to have an elite Top QB
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It’s no secret that there will never be enough hall of fame caliber QBs to go around. If you are lucky enough to have a special QB grea, but a lot of teams haven’t had that Luxury.. Those teams can go two different ways, 1) They can waive the White Flag, accept not being able to win games because they dont have a QB,like the Gutless Cowboys did this year.. While other teams decide that they won’t use that an excuse and manage to build contenders with average at best QBs, using the strong defense, run game,and ball control offense blueprint… Thhe Ravens defense was truly special, but that blueprint was pretty common, and has been successful before the 200 Ravens,and after that Ravens team..
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Maybe Alex Smith doesnt take this Panthers team to the playoffs, but I don’t thnk this Panthers team loses its first playoff game with Alex either.. But you are absolutely right that Franchise QB is a silly term, but I do think a good GM and a good coach can build a contender with a guy who has had a ton of Failure like Stafford… I Think too many teams who don’t have a top 5 QB use it as a cop out to accept their Failures… When Bruce Arians went and got Palmer, no one thought he had just acquired a top 5 QB, yet he managed to have some success with him.
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In the NBA, it makes to me for the Sixers to remain bad as long as it takes to get franchise cornerstones you can really build something Special around… But I don’t agree with that strategy for the NFL. I don’t agree with excusing teams from building contenders because they don’t have Aaron Rogers… I don’t view Dalton as a special QB that I would want to see the Eagles trade a ton to acquire, but the Bengas drafted well enough around him, they have Him stability giving Marvin Lewis one of the longest leashes I ever seen, and thru the important ingredient of Continuity, they managed to grow into a contender with a QB that isn’t remarkable in any way
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I think timing is very important, and if you don’t have a top 5 QB, i think a franchise needs to go on a 3 year hot streak where you have a few solid drafts in a row, you have a window of time with coaching and scheme stability and continuity allowing the team grow yeàr by year into a contender… You need a window of a few years of stability, and making more right decisions than wrong decisions and you can contend without a top 5 QB,with guys like Bradord. Alex, Stafford…
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but QBs like them become worthless without stability and that window of continuity… You can’t win with a guy like Stafford if this year they have a good draft and hire a new coach, then next year they have a bad draft, the following year they have a good draft, but a coaching change, the next year they have another good draft but the Fire the offensive coordinator, the next year they have a bad draft and the QB gets hurt, he does the length rehab and comes back to another coaching change….. Those middle of the pack QBs become completely useless in unstable environments…. however, IF you can put those middle class QBs in a quality environment, for a period of CONTINUTY and stability from everything from an effective GM who goes on a few year run of making more right decisipns than wrong ones(draft and FA), with a coaching staff that brings scheme stability and gets there team to improve year by year, with a middle of the pack QB who gets 3-5 year to grow in the same scheme, under the same coaches, you can end up contending with a middle class QB like Dalton… You just have less room for error than you get with an elite QB…
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I would hate for us to become like the Cowboys who waive the white flag and accept being Losers when they don’t have Romo. Id hate to spend another 5 years changing QB every year. Giving up on a talented QB we trade for or drafted after one year. I don’t think it’s even possible to see who that QB can be his first year in on a team… I hope we have the best GM we could have gotten, with the best coaching staff available to us, and hopefully we get the QB that gives us the best chance to win these next 3 years.. Personally I think if we get a QB in the draft, it will take at least two seasons just to get an idea if we maybe got the right QB, and it realistically will take 3-5 years of the right yoûng QB, with scheme and coaching stability to be able to have a team that contend with a QB we draft… So im being greedy and hoping we can pull Off getting the best of both worlds, keeping SAM to see if we can get on a 3yr franchise hot streak, while we Identify the QB, and groom the QB for a year or two… And if Durability bites us in the ass with Bradford, we have a young kid that we are grooming to step in.. Love to have Sam back for the next 3 years, while also hoping to find a QB we want in this draft. Next years, or 2018 draft (hope it doesn’t take THAT long)
Two things I hope for in the immediate future: Sign Sam for no more than 4 years, and give Jim Schwartz every DL target he asks for. If you can’t have a game-changer at QB, get a top-3 DL. THAT would help Bradford almost as much as a good OL.
It is a great question. I always thought Carr was ruined due to environment. Love McNabb, but looking back on him now and his success later in his career (or lack there of), think he was probably a product of his environment.
Always an interesting question. I guess Johnny Football isn’t to blame for his problems.
In my opinion (now a few years removed from the final challenging years), that it’s pretty hard to tell who helped whom the most re: McNabb and Reid. Feels easier to say that they helped each other and just had a good thing going.
Untangling the causes of an event (or events) is a very complicated task. Scientists spend careers untangling one tiny aspect of an easily repeatable event. Which is why I’m so leery of people who put numbers on subjective analyses after fact, perform a few basic statistical calculations, and then proclaim that they have scientifically established a causal relationship between their numbers and the event. It’s just so rife with easily identifiable errors that it would never pass the first day of peer review.
Like you say, what we know is that McNabb and Reid were very good together and that team. Going further than that is, IMO, an exercise that consists mostly of bias confirmation.
It’s about getting a young guy, with a big ceiling, finding a way to have him success early, and not breaking him mentally or physically until he can make the big jump 5 years into his career.
Lol Manziels agent dropped him..
I was reading up on Spence and watching Elliott highlights (just for the hell of it) this week and I was reminded how Urban Meyer is going to be the story of this draft, it’s insane. I’ve been looking closer at Elliott and Spence one of whom could also go to Giants. When you pick 13th you’re really hoping for top 10 talent not just our needs.
DE Joey Bosa
RB Ezekiel Elliott
DE/OLB Noah Spence former Buckeye
CB Eli Apple
DT Adolphus Washington
OLB Darron Lee
OT Taylor Decker
WR Braxton Miller
WR Michael Thomas
OLB Joshua Perry
TE Nick Vannett
QB Cardale Jones
S Tyvis Powell
S Vonn Bell
WR Jalin Marshall
Ohio State set a record in the 2004 NFL draft, in which it had 14 total players selected, the most picks ever from one school in a single selection meeting.
The University of Miami, whose team the Buckeyes had beaten 15 months earlier in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl/BCS National Championship Game, also set a record in the 2004 NFL draft: The Hurricanes became the first team to have six first-round picks in a single draft.
Twelve years later, in the 2016 NFL draft, Ohio State will have a shot to challenge both of those records.
Is it just me or does this SB not mean to have as much cliche as the past few years besides the endless ‘hot takes’ on Newton?
Noah Spence went to Bishop McDevitt in Harrisburg same high school for Watters and Shady. This is background stuff if you care. His parents are both junior probation officers which is ironic in light of his serious use of Ecstacy in the past. Seems like his coaches and teammates think he’s a great person but much would depend on his interviews and due diligence. He regularly asks for drug tests which is good but they can be faked.
So he is about same size as Mack and I saw one comp to Von Miller , he had a tremendous week at Sr. Bowl but Eagles have always shied away from guys like this so is it a waste of time thinking we’d take him.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ohio-state-buckeyes-noah-spence-dl-eastern-kentucky-colonels-ecstasy-addiction-comeback-102015
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/121583/former-buckeye-noah-spence-starting-over-at-eastern-kentucky
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000631729/article/brooks-noah-spence-reminds-me-of-von-miller-could-go-top-15
I read somewhere that real ecstasy is pretty hard to get and it comes in small doses now. Ecstasy a.k.a molly doesn’t have a true addiction for it but it can really mess you up.
I doubt there have been pro NFL players that habitually take Ecstacy. It’s not a drug like Pot or Coke to where you can do some, and still function in your daily life… Ecstacy doesnt work that way. You can’t pop an E pill and go lift weights.. You can’t do E and go practice… And if you are taking it every night which I also doubt, it would keep you up all night and screw up your sleep, to where it’s probably going to effect your performance as an athlete..
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I don’t know of pro athletes who have a problem with Ecstacy addiction…. It’s almost like saying, a pro athlete takes acid every day, probably unlikely that an athlete would ever be able to keep his job if he is Hallucinating every single day… Ecstacy womt make you Hallucinate, but like Acid, it’s not something you can function on, and go about your normal day under its effects..
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A kid Who fails a drug test for E, is probably easier for me to take a flier on than a kid who fails a drug test for weed which I view as harmless…
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The thing with Ecstacy pills is Ecstacy isn’t really a drug, the drug is MDMA. But when someone takes an E pill, it’s like taking a mixture of MDMA, heroin, speed, Coke.. And different E pills have a different percentage of these Ingrediants, so if you happen to end up with an E pill made up of a high percentage of coke, you are going to wired, speeding around, feeling an Upper effect.,, if you end up taking an E pill with a higher percentage of Heroin, you will get more of a Downer, dopy effect… When you buy an E pill, you really don’t know what you are taking
It may not be a physical dependence but someone who fails 3 drug tests, when you know you will being regularly tested after the first fail, and there will be serious repercussions in your life is addiction.
And if you look at how much he’ll actually admit to using in that ESPN article, you have to assume the aggregate use is much worse and went on for much longer.
The fact that he had his dad go to bat for him saying that someone spiked his drink and then later had to tell his dad he was lying is not a good look.
And how is a guy like that going to take to the pain killer party one needs to get through an NFL season?
Yeah I doubt he was getting real mdma in america. It’s so much cheaper to get fake shit as a dealer and increase your margins in the process. Most people wouodnt be able to tell the difference as they’ve probably never done real mdma. I had the mdma experience in the Netherlands and it was unbelievably amazing. Made me realize that the “mdma” I had tried a few times in america was bullshit even though everyone I was with thought it was amazing stuff
Schwartz and Reid have drafted guys like that before so sure Doug wouldn’t be against it
Schwartz took Titus Young and he’s a total maniac. I don’t think Pederson can supply the same support system that Reid can.
Titus Young; good grief.
I don’t trust a guy who is clearly an addict……..at least not with my first round pick.
I don’t know the kid obviously, but I highly doubt he is an Ecstacy addict.. Ecstacy isn’t THAT type of drug… It’s a drug you do during parties or if you are with a woman… It’s not a drug you can do in your every day life.. A player can smoke a joint and go to practice if he wants… Could never do that with E…
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Ecstacy is worse for your body than pot….im a big fan of 420 way of life, but when it comes to investing in an player, generally speaking, Ecstacy would be one of the easier flaws for me to over look, because it’s not something you can do every day regardless of what plans you have for that day… I don’t view Pot as a bad thing, but when a player gets in trouble for weed, it’s much much more likely that it’s a habitual, daily, lifestyle addiction which will Mean the player is a constant risk of failing a drug test , where as unless a player is in a nightclub 7 nights a week, odds are he doesn’t take Ecstacy every day. And if you have a player who is in a night club every single night, THATS. Problem whether he is popping E or not…..
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Id be mpre worried that a pot head will fail drug tests at some point and get suspended from our team, way more then I would worry about Ecstacy…. I doubt there have been many players who were able to have a career while hiding daily Ecstacy use…
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Addict
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/121583/former-buckeye-noah-spence-starting-over-at-eastern-kentucky
I have heard this kid being compared to Khalil Mack… He can’t be THAT talented, can he? Im not at all familiar with his game
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Interested in seeing What Dante Fowler looks like for the Jags this year
Andy Reid drafted an idiot in the first round last year and that worked great for them.
Marcus Peters wasn’t an addict, he was a guy who choked some coach who thought he could come in there with no seniority and talk to people who had been there for years like he was in charge of Sark’s players.
So as far as I’m considered, Peters choked some fake tough guy who wanted to run his mouth at his betters.
Man this new Coldplay feature song and the play time it is getting is totally undue. Hideously awful song in several aspects.
coldplay seems like an odd choice, wonder if they paid for the privilege.
Commercially they have been semi-successful in the past in the U.S. but they were never a true superstar band based on sales/play time. Been kind of irrelevant the last several years.
Listened to the new album and thought it was terrible. Reviews have savaged it too.
Here’s a better choice for today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vIIZydXDqg
that’s only because coldplay sucks that’s all
Whew, check out this article on Jason Kelce playing through injury last year:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/4/10918594/eagles-position-review-jason-kelce-center-offensive-line-injury-knee-2015-season-david-molk
That might explain some of his struggles.
Thank you for posting this. We knocked this around a lot yesterday and I’m not really impressed or sympathetic. Somebody pointed out that knee was absent from injury reports and the after a bad season injury excuses for horrible play is what the Flyers have been doing for years to shirk culpability.
I believe that they were purposefully obscuring his injury. We saw the same thing with Wolff.
I’m looking forward to seeing what Kelce has to say about his putrid play and using an injury excuse for it once we get into next season.
I dunno, typically Kelce is pretty honest, and Hard on himself publically.. He hasn’t had a problem telling the public how terrible he played in the past…Guys like Kelce who don’t make excuses or sugar coat their terrible play are usually the ones I give the benefit of the doubt to..
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I agree with you in that KELCE was pretty terrible this year.. Hopefully it ends up just being a down a year, but if he doesn’t have a Significantly better season this yeat,I would start to really worry.
doesn’t it seem like the entire season last year is encapsulated in the first game against the falcons?
first play a sweep to murray for a huge loss.
last play a drop..
missed field goals, drops and sweeps to murray.
we really, it turns out, did not need to watch the rest of the games, it was all right there in game one.
Bradford played bad, but then looked good.
same with the defense, bad and good.
and it was a loss. the end
This post deserves mvp consideration!
so true, such a frustrating season from the start. thinking that it was a lot to do with weird psychological stuff stemming from Chip’s leadership. got in the players head somehow.
A lot of times it’s like that. People discount the September games and count on improvement, but it’s same ‘ol, same ‘ol. Except for the times when it’s not 🙂
that’s why this last year was so hard to watch.
we kept assuming improvement was on tis way and it really never happened. but that’s what kept us watching. the waiting is the hardest part
In any sport, I hate when people try to discount early season games. All games carry equal weight. Of course I don’t know anything about the scoring in Tennis or NASCAR… so lets just say the 4 big sports, not any sport.
we really, it turns out, did not need to watch the rest of the games, it was all right there in game one.
Pure. Poetry.
how disappointing is that? ugh
Someone recently relived that heart ache I see. Why do that to yourself!?
actually I was remembering that opening play last night for some reason and it dawned on me that that whole game was basically the whole season in a nutshell.
“missed field goals, drops and sweeps to murray.”
Sounds like the chorus to a really bad song.
and t aint the EAGLES greatest hit is it
“Sounds like the chorus to a really bad song…”
…by a crappy 80’s hair band.
Foreshadowing of crappy inconsistency to come . . .
Hey folks I’m doing a twitter for a class at school, it’s eagles themed. Anyone have a list of Igglesblitzers who I can follow?
Tommy, D3FB, Greg Richards is a good start.
They’re all quality tweeters in their own right.
Could someone explain to me what “doing a twitter” is?
I’m doing the twitter man. It’s not really going to be “my” twitter its just a separate one for a school project.
I only know how to text. twitter is beyond me…lol…serious though.
I got tommy and Jimmy, I couldn’t find what greg richards’ handle was, there’s like 1500 greg richards on twitter.
it’s igglesnut or something like that — it’s a must follow his twitter avi looks like his iggles avi.
@ATG_Iggles, @theguyotc
I would also love to know of more Twitter handles from the group.
I never got into twitter. Made an account once for keeping up with news. Found I really didn’t need another time dump.
It is great for breaking news
Yes and no… Great for the initial tweet that breaks the news, sucks when two minutes later every single person that has anything to do with the media also posting the same tidbit…
Better than not knowing at all
This is my third try, and I think it is going to stick this time.
Me too, and if anyone follows me and retweets my pointless ramblings I’ll… I don’t know, think of something you want.
My handle is @Astonia67
How does a FB get assigned 67?
It’s really more D3Football (lLeftGuardsometimesrightguardpleasedontmakemeplaytackleIplayedDTFreshmanyearand5techinhighschoolandhaven’tbeenafullbacksince9thgradeandthatwasbecauseilivedinminnesotaandourfreshmanteamsstartingOLwasbiggerthanmyvarsityOLinPA)
Grade school?
Possibly. My parents told me not to tell anyone my age though.
@greenkidavery
Haven’t tweeted much though w/the new job.
Cool assignment. Hope you score an A.
“I Truley believe that If my son doesn’t get help, he won’t live to see his 24th birthday(next DECEMBER)”-Manziels father
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“Shut up or I will kill us both”-Johnny threatening his girl After hitting her, forcing her into the car and dragging her hair.
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I could never stand Johnny Manziel.I hate how he carried himself. I hated how such a crappy pro prospect could be so damn over rated by so many people, I hate how much of a spoiled Brat he Was, but his life is no longer a joke, it’s starting to trend toward Tragedy.. What’s scary is he has had do many important influential people like LEBRON trying to help this kid And get thru to him, and it doesn’t seem to have done any good, ,
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I almost want to feel sorry for Him, but then you start to hear about this new component of abusing woman, and I don’t really care how fucked up you are, I have no compassion for a 200llb man who hits a woman and terrorizes her, but I do have compassion for people in his life lke his family members who love this kid, for their sake, I hope someone is able to get thru to this kid and save his life, I really hope somehow this story ends up having a happy ending, but the ONLY way that can even have a chance of happening, is accepting and coping with the Reality that he just isn’t going to have a pro career. He isn’t good enough to begin with, and when you beat a woman and are a marginal talent, you can officially stick a fork in your pro career…
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This story is getting worse by the day…. I wrote a post about being worried about this kid just this morning, and since then, this story has gotten so much worse..
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You would think that finally getting cut from Cleveland would give him some incentive to at least try a fake it, try and fool us long enough to get someone like Jerry to take a Flier on you. instead of even trying to fake it to get another job, it’s gettong worse and worse, and that’s a very very bad sign… Hopefully someone can save this kid from a tragic ending. I feel for his loved ones and how they must be living in fear
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Also a little annoyed that the Police has no problem saying he has hit his girlfriend and terrorized her multiple times, yet the case is closed, and there are no consequences for puttimg his hands on a woman?
Interesting you bring a guy to CLE who has this party rep when you have a guy like j. gordon that you’re trying to get back on the filed
Hard to feel bad for a kid that has had so many opportunities but goes to show that these issues really transcend race, class, etc. hopefully he can conquer whatever daemons he’s got.
Nothing can cure idiocy.
I hear ya but smoking bud doesn’t equal partying.
it sure can equal a quadruple feature of Seth Rogan movies though, or what ever is on at the time.
sure would be better to have Gordon on the field then manziel any day
I hear you… I never felt bad for him. Because he was geting more than he deserved anyway… He never deserved to be drafted in round 5, łet alone round 1…. And you damn sure can’t feel bad for someome who is beating and terrorizing his girlfriend… Bet once the suicide talk starts, I don’t want to see anyone end in tragedys like that, and I feel for those that live this idiot
He’s a piece of shit.
Anybody who is a fan of his is a piece of shit.
All of the coaches, cops, and/or DAs who covered for his behavior over the years are pieces of shit as well.
This guy’s antics coupled with his running QB garbage is a dual stain upon football.
Yeah I don’t think I ever came close to the Fan Category when it came to this idiot
Hard not to blame the media that blew this kid up, what’s his biggest accomplishment – beating alabama?
That’s ain’t far off, but what folks have said is that this kid has been treated like royalty by his family and coaches long before any of us knew who he was. So his nonsense far predates any media coverage.
wow
One thing about hitting the bottom of the barrel, there’s only one place you can go. Hope he hit his.
Hopefully it’s not the bottom of the barrel…of a 12 guage.
And to think they could have had Carr or Teddy Bridgewater
If they drafted those QBs, they wouldn’t be the Browns lol
Absolutely
I didn’t like him when he was playing college ball but I could have some empathy. After all, he was a kid and, like all kids, was still immature. I know if I was young, talented, adored, spoiled, and headed for a million dollar contract straight out of school, I couldn’t guarantee I wouldn’t be a jerk.
But once JM signed that contract he became a man and a professional. At least he was supposed to. Kind of like becoming a parent — like it or not, time to leave childish, selfish ways behind.
I agree, and I want to have empathy, until he beat a woman… At that point, I feel guilty having empathy for a 200lb man who physically terrorizes his girl
Good point. Being a jerk and getting into bar fights is one thing, being an a**hole is another.
Vinny’s cap hit is only 3M this year. Sounds like good news but could be loaded in middle. Anyone seen the figures?
That’s some good work out of Howie.
Cap hits are as follows
3
9 fully guaranteed
11 (5mil savings if cut)
11.25 (7.25mil savings if cut)
12 (10mil savings if cut)
so a two year tryout?
Should we consider this a 3-yr contract?
Basically. He’d have to be pretty bad to cut in year 3. If he’s producing they’ll keep him in year 4. He’ll be 32 in year 5. I’d imagine that’s reworked if they keep him at that point.
Here is a nice slap across the face of SIXER fans… In the First 49 superbowls, only 1 Super Bowl saw the 4th quarter start with a tied game…. And of course it was the Eagles 3 poïnt loss to the Patriots… Sigh…
imagine how eagles fans feel
lol edit
still a horrible stat to read
Sigh,,, indeed… sigh.
This might be the “run around my neighborhood cheering if it happens draft”
Round 1 Pick 13: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford (A-)
Round 4 Pick 15: De’Runnya Wilson, WR, Mississippi State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois (A)
Round 5 Pick 23: Morgan Burns, CB, Kansas State (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (B-)
Round 7 Pick 30: Travis Feeney, OLB, Washington (B-)
And I will find you and run around with you if this mock was even remotely realistic. Damn this would be a nice haul.
No doubt. I kept doing double takes at the screen.
I would never doubt Howie again.
Doubt what; his ability to use Jedi mind tricks on 31 other GMs?
Roseman is weak in the ways of the force . . .
If he got that haul, there would be some kind of sith powers, along with someone’s soul going downstairs.
jihad in round 5?
sounds like an Iraqi boxing match
He’s a guy I’m starting to read more about. Illinois ain’t exactly on TV a lot, so I wasn’t familiar with him during the season.
yeah I don’t know any college players at all, so i’ll rely on yous guys
I’m more of a copious reader of secondary draft sources and tend to trust what some guys write more than others. There are some good film dudes here that I tend to like to read what they have to say.
Jihad Ward is a beast. He had a great week during the Senior Bowl and his stock has been on the rise since the college season ended. He is definitely in the 2nd round conversation now and could possibly be a fringe 1st rounder with a good combine.
Wonder if there’s a rule against putting your first name on a jersey instead of your last.
That would be fun. They do it in soccer, so why not?
He hate me
Wonder how many got that. good one.
Thanks. It’s been 15 years, so the youngsters wouldn’t remember.
I will give this approval for a full go, on the condition that Morgan agrees to use the nickname Monty.
I think you must have done about 1000 iterations to get Whitehair and Murphy in the 3rd round. Whitehair typically lasts until the late 2nd. OTs go fast in that thing though.
Happen on the first one I did that day, but I don’t think one in a thousand is an unfair explanation.
In an NFL Now interview at Super Bowl 50, Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott
said, “The Dallas Cowboys [are my preferred draft destination]. I want
to go play behind that great offensive line they have down in Dallas.”
Damn, f-him, want no parts of that against our non-tackling linebackers.
Good, let them draft him. Then there’s a higher chance we could get a QB
Edit: just kidding I don’t want him there
I really wouldn’t worry about Zeke going to the cowturds. I have a feeling they stay at 4 and take a defensive player and then take Derrick Henry in the 2nd and I honestly think Henry will suck in the pros. Next year the Eagles will draft Fournette. Bold predictions but watch.
ZEKE certainly isn’t going to be a top 5 pick..
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Im curious to see what Dallas does…. Do they draft Carson Wentz? Jerry might think Romo can live forever, but I strongly believe that No Matter what your QB situation looks like, if there is a QB you think will go on to becone a top notch Franchise type when it’s your turn to pick. You HAVE TO DRAFT HIM..
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Even if you are seattle with Russell Wilson, or the Colts with Andrew luck, when you see a QB you project to be a stud QB in the NFL at the top of your draft board, you can NOT pass on him! I don’t care if you have Cam Newton, you never pass on a QB prosect you believe to be special…if your evaluatipn ends up being correct, you will be able to trade that QB for 3 times the draft pick you used to draft him…. if the Cowboys think Wentz is going to be a stud, the dumbest thng they can do is pass on him.
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curious to see if Dalas goes QB, or if they ruin Jalen Ramsey drafting him into that disgusting Franchise. Dallas could also target Bosa or some other DLineman.. dallas REALLY needs to upgrade their edge rushers…. dallas could also use a top notch LB like Myles Jack (top 5 May be a tad too soon) , Giants could also use a LB..
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Going to be interestng to see how Dallas and the niners approach this draft
Of course he wants to go to Dallas.. What kid wouldnt want to get drafted to a team in the top 5 with the best OL..
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Im a big Zeke fan, but if he thinks there is any chance he gets drafted in the top 5, he is delusional.
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Id love to get the Fournette beast from LSU next year
You know what I like most about Tunsil? The violence. That is my favorite part of OL play but I feel like it is hard to find at times. It’s not even a “nasty streak,” rather unrelenting violence.
So, if he could relent on the violence, just until the snap, he would be perfect?
Actually had a dream last night that included Tunsil. He looked like a huge Vince Wilfork sized beast, and was running 40 yards downfield from the line of scrimmage still ahead of his running back finally pancaking some poor safety. Despite that, he had a funloving, almost silly manner about him in the practice. After that for some reason we had finished eating, and he offered to clear my plate. He was very humble and gracious about it all.
Strangely imanginative and descriptive.
Might be time to cut back on the draft prospect reading a bit and go outside or something.
You know what I hate about him? The fact that there is no chance he falls to #13
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Super 🙁 face….
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I think he is a better prospect than Greg Robinson, the athletc tackle the Rams too, at the top of the 2014 draft
Way late to this conversation and don’t have time to read the 434 comments before me, but I think Logan could be a Corey Simon (the good Simon) type in the middle along side Cox.
Simon had a few good years but iirc that guy couldn’t be bothered to stop the run. I always kind of felt he and walker were the reason that defense would “bend”
Benny and The Fletch (apologies to Elton John).
Those guys together might be something really special.
“Bennie and the Fletch”… I dig it…
honey,how are you
Interesting article about franchising Bradford instead of giving him a contract. Makes sense to me after I read it. TLDR: Franchise Bradford because the stats don’t suggest he’s a long-term solution, but in the off-chance he does become that you’ve protected yourself from a bad contract while waiting to get the franchise guy in the building.
http://eaglesrewind.com/2016/02/05/on-doug-pederson-the-front-office-and-the-quarterback-part-3/
OMG finally someone is on board with me.
I think plenty of people agree that it would be foolish to lose SAM
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Heck, there Is even a scenario where we Tag him, his agent advices him to drag his feet and hold off on signing the franchise Tag contract, we get to the Draft, a QB doug loves falls to 13, and teams don’t trade ahead of us because they think we are proceeding with SAM, and we draft the QB, and then rescind the franchise Tag…basically a tool we can use to hold on to him in case we can’t draft a QB we love at 13…. It’s also can be used as a tool to buy more time of exclusive negotiation righIts to work out an extension…. I want SAM here for at least,3 more years
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if Bradord cost 18mil a year (who knows if that’s true), might as well Tag him for 20 mil, allowing us more time to evaluate him under a new regime and gather more info before extending him…
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I will be sick if we lose SAM…
The public statements of Lurie, Roseman, and Pederson all seem to say the Eagles would like to keep Bradford . . . but within a lower salary range than the tag would ultimately dictate.
Have the Eagles used the franchise tag to keep a player for the following season?
They tagged DeSean, Vick and LJ Smith. Depends how you define your question. Certainly tagging helped keep them even if you then sign a new deal.
I’d much prefer to use it on Cox if it goes that far. I like Sam, but I like Cox a lot more. Errrm – that didn’t come out right, but I the the DT more than the QB.
Why would you have to chose between the two? If SAM stays healthy and is the QB we THNK he is, why wouldnt we want to pay him? Why wouldn’t we pay Cox? GM’s are almost always careful not to give agents leverage with comments they make publically, yet Cox is such a no BRAINER that roseman went on this crazy public rant about how Cox is the Last player that they would screw with and how he is a top priority to keep in philly for years and years to come.. I would be pretty surprised if Cox plays a single game this year on his current contract… history suggest That Roseman gets deals done. Not like there have been a ton of hold outs the last 3 years Roseman had the power… When a player wants to be here and the team really wants him, odds are they will work out an agreement both sides can live with….losing Cox is the last thing we need to concern ourselves with
If they wait too long both will hit the open market, and Cox on the open market is not something I want. I expect them to pay Cox, but if they don’t get the deal worked out the franchise tag will be a sort of last resort.
I work in an industry where you have to plan for the worst scenario, and to me that is Cox on the open market.
Problem with tagging and letting him play is 2017 where Bradford has even more leverage… If he plays well Bradford is a lot more expensive to retain and might even walk in FA. If he is mediocre he costs more than 2016 and is even more of a risk to walk.
So ONLY way it works out for the Eagles is if Bradford is poor and you walk away… If that is you evaluation don’t retain him at all in 2016 and go with a rookie or cheaper option.
Yeah if they Tag him, I would prefer them working out an extension and never actually allow him to play a game on the Tag, if possible of course… Be geat to see if we can get a QB they love at 13 before having to work out the extension, which franchise Tag would allow us
Thanks for that link. That is a nice 3-part overview that Patrick Causey wrote about the Eagles franchise at this point in time. It vilifies HR more than I would have expected, given the enabling role of Lurie, but it is hard to argue with his conclusions. Funny that he acknowledges his mistakes AFTER Kelly is run out of town.
You have to pay him $22 million guaranteed for 1 year. I think the Eagles would rather have a 7 year contract that is about $30-35 million guaranteed. Something they can away from after two years.
His agent is probably looking at a deal with $50-70 million guaranteed.
Lagarett Blount is at a birthday party with me. He is eating pizza, fries and a muffin. I’m surprised these guys eat that crap.
Bount isn’t one that surprises me. Pretty cool though. Is he smaller in person ?
He looked about 6 2 or 3 and thick. Not like wow that must be a player.
crazy, blount is a big boy though – did you talk to him?
No not really my thing. “So you play for the Pats?” Or what is Brady like? Not my thing.
not everybody is on the #sportscience regiment
I was amazed by what the top swimmers eat… lots of pizza, burgers and junk food. It turned out that they where burning 6k+ calories in training and at that point there really is no need for any kind of diet to improve performance.
Where diet matters for NFL guys is in season during recovery where they are not using anywhere near those kind of calorie counts so need to maintain high protein levels to aid recovery, but to be careful with their other imputs to keep in shape. Lots of athletes apparently struggle with the high calorie intakes of heavy training, and then the actual quite sudden reduction of intake when they are in recovery.
I disagree. Let’s not kid ourselves that Blount at the beginning of offseason is burning 6k calories a day. I’d like to think I’d be more like Brady but not as extreme. But easy for me to say.
You mean the “Eddie Lacy Diet”????
Ask him if Chip kelly is a prick?
I didn’t think of that angle.
It is off season and at least pizza has some protein. Couldn’t be worse than this.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/steelers-rbs-leveon-bell-legarrette-blount-arrested-marijuana-possession-082014
Dallas wants Demarco back, should we do that? Chris Ivory is expected to be a FA, love how he runs, or we go the UDFA route.
In that kind of situation Murray holds alot of leverage as Dallas will only take him back on a reworked contract and its hard seeing any player willing to lose money just to go to their former team. That being said it’s highly doubtful the Eagles would accept eating alot of money and trading him to a division rival. Imo there are too many variables to see Dallas as a logical destination. Oh but I would be ecstatic if it were possible and happened.
If the Eagles see Murray as done, they’d have no problem trading him to a rival (like McNabb). And if Murray is as unhappy as has been reported, he might very well be willing to take a pay cut to return to Dallas.
He’d pretty have to eat 80-90% of his salary if not all of it and even then you’re still creating another hole so it’s just a terrible allocation of resources. Just wait a year. Mathews is not an every down, every game back.
I don’t really take This serious….. For starters. The only way we can even consider trading him is Murray having to be willing to seriously adjust and alter the big payday deal that chip gave him, and getting that Huge pay day seemed to be important to Murray…
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im under the impression that all the murray wants out talk came from before chip was fired. If Murray wanted to leave the chip mess, im not sure why he would still feel that way when he got what he wanted, chip fired, a new pro coach that will put Murray in the best positipns to maximize his Talent… And aftet last years MESS, it’s probably safe to assume, that there will be some serious additions to the OL..
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So I struggle to see why Murray would want to leave this new situatuon so badly now, that he woulld be willing to renegotiate the big deal that motivated him to sign on to play for chip
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murray has NO TRADE VALUE anyway… If it was hard for him to find the type of money we threw at him last year, it’s going to be even harder to get teams to honor that deal and look to acquire Murray after he lost all Leverage with his terrible season,,, not only was he so ineffecive this year, he put some things on film that wilL be a big turn off to other teams, for example questipnable effort, sliding to avoid getting hit by a cornerback, the rumors about Him going to Lurie…
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Teams barely wanted to pay Murray last year. I have a hard time believing that they now want him so bad that they will pay him and Give up trade compensation to acquire him..
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Personally im torn… Part of me thinks is moronic to be paying more than any team for 3 veteran RBs and hope to see all 3 gone by the end of the next offseason… But another part of me is actually very curious to see what they can do umder this new regime. Because last year was such a poorly coached football team
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The popular opinipn seems to be that Chip was a terrible GM, but a really good coach…. But I have a very hard time agreeing with that sentiment because this past season, we consistent,y exhibited all the signs of a poorLy coached team..im kind of interested in seeing what these backs look like with Chip gone…
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I do want to see all 3, but I think it’s smarter to Keep Sproles, and choose between Murray and Mathews, only keepimg 1…. But I am curious about how either will look in Dougs offense which did an impressive job with the RB when CHarles wemt down.. And an ANDY REIDish offense is a dream for a guy like SPROLES in the passing game, westbrook and Jamaal Charkes were both incredible pass catching weapons under Andy…
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Since I want to see both murray and Mathews, get rid of the one that is better for our Salary cap, and the one that can fetch the best trade compensation (lucky if we can get a 5th or 6th)… Go into next season with Sproles, mathews (or Murray, not both) and a rookie RB…. Next year we get rid of whichever is Left between Murray and Mathews, replace him with another rookie(beast from LSU), and the year after we finally get rid of Sproles and replace him with anothet rookie 3rd down back (unless his skill declines before that)..
But none of that matters – not how Murray should feel about the new coaches, not you struggling to see why, not our perceptions of his value and his contract, not how Dallas should handle it. If he wants to go to Dallas and Dallas wants him back, all that matters is…how much?
You are assuming it’s all true…. The ONLY thing I know to be true at this point is that Dez BRyant wants him back, and that at least some of this “recent” news about Murray was actually over a month old, and that a lot has changed since those opinipns (allegedly)…..If Dallas DIDNT value him enough to retain him last year, are they really going to value him so much to go trade for Him now? It’s not like they can’t draft a RB, and McFadden probably performed better than most thought he would.
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Would I trade Murray? Sure, why not…..do I think we can get any value worth a damn? Probably not…. But we don’t have to get much compensation from Dallas to make it a worthwhile trade for us…
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Id be down to move Murray and the only compensation I would ask for is that he alter, restructure, renegotiate his current deal and chamge it to a contract that allows us to trade him and get out of his deal without taking damaging cap hit…if he is willing to make contractual changes that allow us to trade him, erase the chip mistake of signing him without it harming our Cap, Id do it for a 7th round pick….
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We traded a 5th round pick for Sproles, do you think we could get that 5th back for Murray? Im not so sure someone will value Him enough to take on his renegotiated contract and give up a 5th for him…I doubt we can get any value worth a damn for him, but I see Value in getying him off our books a year early but I don’t want t deal with the cap consequences of getting out of his current contract this offseason… But since I hope all 3 RBs are replaced by the beginning of the 2018 season anyway, Id be fine with trading Him now, I just don’t know how much I like the Chamces of it actually happening… But sure, sigń me up… I wouuldnt comlain
IF he wants to go and…
I am assuming nothing.
If it is not true, then discussing the why and how and why not and who’s doing what is truly pointless. If he does want to go, and they want him, then the only thing left is weighing the compensation.
You won’t see me put up a fight To keep him here.. I hope it’s true, im just very skeptical
If we trade him, his cap hit goes with him. Take that and I’d be happy getting a good kicking tee.
Either that or Sean Lee, either one.
The the Sean Lee model kicking tee have a piece break off after every 3rd use?
Case of Lone Star would do it if the Eagles can get out completely from Murray’s contract.
Malcontent who I can’t see being happy here next year when he isn’t getting the carries he think he should be.
I was shocked to see Ryan Leaf on inside the NFL this morning, I thought I was dreaming that this scumbag was actually on ESPN with Bruschi and Stink… To my surprise, I was amazed by how well Leaf came off. The guy sounds really mature, sounds genuine, and looks like he got his life together..
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They brought him on the show to talk about Manziel, and how he is trying to reach out to the Johnny Camp, wants to help share his fall from grace story with Johnny. I was shocked at how well he came off, and I came away feeling proud that The punk kid had transformed like this..
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If anyone knows how Johnny must feel, and what he is going thru, it would be Ryan Leaf… Good for him, I never thought I would be respecting Leaf and talkimg like this about him. Good for him..
“. . . scumbag . . . ”
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irony?
You didn’t have to edit your comment… You are welcome to your opinion
Hauck interview:
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He is also a believer in interchangable Safeties, and thinks the days of Strong and Free Safeties are gone. I wonder if he was just speaking about his own philosophies, or was he talking about what Schwartz and our new defense look for in a safety? After being traumitized by the Juanita Wide 9, when fans hear that alignment we think of LB and Safeties being left out to dry to fend for themselves, and that we would need a Strong Safety type to help against the run under SChwartz…. Going to be interesting to see what,type of. Safety ends up playing next to Jenkins in a SChwartz defense
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Hauck talked a little bit about each safety:
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jenkins he referred to as one of the very best Safeties in the NFL and that he sees a safety who is still improving and that the staff can help him reach a higher level..
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he raved about Thurmonds athleticsm and playmaking and how he hopes to have Walt back..
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Talked about Maragos being a ST stud and that he can do a few things for our defense (but was vague about to it)
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He then mentions Ed Reynolds name, but didn’t have much to say about him..
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Couplin was the only name he didn’t mention..
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Hauck then talks about how he is Anxious to work with this group and also add another safety or two to the group..
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decent interview….. I wish we could get a DUCE Staley intwrview . curious to hear what he would say about Chip, and hear his thoughts on how he thinks this RB situation will be different from last years underwhelming mess…id also like to hear what Stoutland has to say as another holdover from the chip Regime? What he has to say about JP, Kelce, the Guard position, last years mess and what he thinks will be different moving forward under a regime? Id like to hear From the LB coach as well who should be done evaluating last years game film and practice footage..
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Id also like to hear from chips Sportsciemce Gem Shaun Hulls..curious to hear how his approach to training our boys will change now that he no longer has to train guys to practice in chips peddle to the metal Practice tempo and the Ricky Bobby offensive game tempo? I assume the changes in practice tempo, practice style will require changes in our training…, Chip kelly never made Our Sportsciemce Guru available to the media. Hopefully Doug and Howie Grant us a little access…
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I also assume Doug Pederson is going to switch our weekly schedule back to the Traditional NFL weekly schedule, which veterans and playërs will appreciate
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D3FB (aka Belichick) more or less predicted this development, saying — after Kelly’s dismissal — that both would likely be returning to the Eagles’ personnel department
I think it makes sense to bring in guys as short-term consultants through the draft instead of rushing to hire a permanent director of player personnel before the draft when options are limited but I don’t know how useful these two guys are going to be when they’ve been unemployed for the past year and likely not heavily involved in scouting the 2016 draft. Sure, they may have watched some film, but would they really be putting the same level of time commitment into it as someone who had a full-time job to do so? Maybe these guys were employed by an independent scouting service the past year so they have scouted the 2016 draft.
I also would not be surprised if these two guys have been secretly under contract to the Eagles even after they were “fired”. I have zero evidence to support this, but Howie has been biding his time waiting until Chip’s incompetence caught up with him. So why not have your shadow government in place?
“I also would not be surprised if these two guys have been secretly under contract to the Eagles even after they were “fired” . . .
“So why not have your shadow government in place?”
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many upvotes on the “shadow government” theory.
believable. and excellent conspiracy theory.
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I had a brief exchange off-line with D3FB about the impact, if any, of a guy like Roseman or Mueller or Patch being out of the loop for a season.
He seemed to think, if I’m getting it right, that it shouldn’t be a problem. (That’s my impression, anyway)
Maybe that was the purpose of Howie’s “raise” last year. To have the funds to pay these guys off the books…
Like Nick Fury having a backup plan in place when Hydra destroyed S.H.I.E.L.D.
You lost me here.
Plot line in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Based on the comments of Howie taking over janitorial duties last year, I am envisioning a team of secret scouts posing as janitorial staff. Clocking a 40 time, then quickly pushing a broom the other direction, disappearing into the film room and blocking the door with a cart, a hidden draft board on the inside of the supplies closet…
I don’t know that I’d go as far as anything murky or shadow govt level with these two, but if they had any ambition to get back into it, which it seems they did, they are both veteran well connected guys. They’d have no problem getting tape, from Howie or other connections (coaches, SIDs, other scouts).
I’m sure they aren’t as dialed in as they would like to be, but they’re here to serve as extra sets of eyeballs in hammering out the board. They’ll be invaluable as cross checkers.
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So even tho we suspended the front office search, Roseman reinstated Rick Mueller and Anthony Patch who were kicked to the curb once the Chip/Marynowitz regime wrestled power away from roseman… HOWIE brought these two back in “Advisor roles” to help us with the Draft and Free agency…
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We saw Roseman immediately roll up his sleeves and get to work on Fixing the cap mistakes chip made and work to extend our young talent
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Wonder if Roseman takes it a step forward and looks to bring back any of the Eagles chip got rid of? The OL needs ALOT of work. Probably going to take two offseasons to build the starting line and the depth we need to contend, so could Roseman view bringing a guy like Mathis back who knows our LT, C and OL coach really well, as a stop gap one or two yeàr band aid until we draft enough Talent to transition away from our older players? I have a hard time envisioning Roseman bringing back Desean if the skins cut him, but who knows, Roseman could view it as an opportunity to add WR Talent that we could Use, that comes with a bonus perk of energizing the entire FANBASE and city?. If the Rams cut FOles in a year or two, could Roseman view it a a chance to “buy low” on a QB we know and could at least be a solid backup, upgrade over Sanchez?
What about Brandon Boykin? Schwartzy allegedly values CB speed, might not be as obssessed with Height as chip… Boykin didn’t find the Steelers grass to be much greener than what he had in philly, could Roseman view bringing Boykin back as a chance to Buy Low on a guy that probabky doesn’t have as much negotiation leverage as we thought he would have when he reached free agency? What if the Texans cut Polk?… I really wouldn’t pound the table to recycle any of our past, but HOWIE seems to be looking towards the past, instead of looking towards the future in the front office(Mueller/Patch), plucked an apple off the Reid coachng tree… Any chance he dips back into our past for playërs too? Would we even want any of them back?
If Gym Shorts values CB speed then he doesn’t want Boykin. Dude was kinda slow.
Among D-Jackson, Boykin, Foles, Mathis, or Polk . . .
Are there any you’d want back next season?
(Assuming contract that’s team friendly)
D Jax, Boykin, Mathis, and Polk…………….if the price was right.
What about Foles as the back-up — with a rookie, projected as a potential starter, at No. 3?
I don’t want to reintroduce Foles into the mix here and get embroiled in a who should start type controversy.
I’d do it, if he’s cheap. Someone who once performed at that level could possibly do something like it again.
Lol I knew you would be all over D-Jax…
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Mathis is interesting, I saw him struggle this year, but I also saw him play well at times. I believe he is a free agent if im not mistaken, and he lost like 2 mil leaving Philly…if we draft two OLineman, it wouldnt be horrible to bring Mathis Back for a year or two, or however long it takes for a,draft pick to prove he deserves the spot more,than Mathis…. Need,to draft 2 OL, but I’d love to bring them onto a team with plenty of OL Talent, where guys really have to compete for their starting positions..
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Im down with Polk for sure. if we traded Murray, Polk gives us a valuable cheap stop gap backüp RB to Ryan Mathews, and Polk is a pretty damn good special Team player….. Wonder if Polk could also moonlight as a Tolbert/leonard Weaver type of FB in our offense? Be great if our #3 RB could compete with Burton for FB duties.. Texans DIDNT use him as much as,I would have thought..
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Shame we never got a chance to see SAM with a weapon like D Jax… Imagine Jackson would open up a ton of underneath routes for Pope Jordan
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Id consider Boykin, IF his price tag is cheaper than Nolan and Thurmonds(LONGSHOT)
If you look at Boykin’s minimal usage last year in Pittsburgh, you might be able to get him on a one year “prove it” deal if our coaches feel he can be valuable in the slot and Sheppard isn’t ready yet.
D-Jax still needs to get cut for us to get him. So I won’t dwell.
Howie signing Mathis would be a great anti-Chip troll, but we’ll see what that deal would look as well.
Polk, or anybody not named Barner, would be a good add for the RB group.
Yeah you would think that Boykin will be a little cheaper after being benched for half the year in Pitt, than he would have been had he played out his final year,as the Eagles Nickleback..
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I saw local Steeler reporters suggest that he would reach the open market, but recently some have said that allegedly The steelers Sevondary stats improved when boykin started to get Playing time late in the season and that the steelers were,going to keep him
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I have a hard time believing that Tomlin will offer Boykin a starting outside corner position, and a comtract that reflects starting outside pay which you would think is what it would take to keep Boykin from wanting to test the market..
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I think the skins are going to cut Garcon, which would probably make it unlikely that they would also cut Desean…I, baffled as to how we will approach fixing our WR position… We have the 3 young WRs, but can we really replace Cooper, Ajiritutu and Miles Austin In one offseason?
You give Agholor time to develop, hope Matthews gets his focus improved with the new WR coach, and throw the ball to Ertz at a level commensurate with how good the team said he is via the new contract.
I think we’ll be good at WR
And I’d like to add Anquan Boldin to round out the group.
Well yeah, I’m not anywhere close to being ready To give up on Jordan. nelson and even knucklheaded huff. Im perfectly fine with them as our starting WR next year. I have high hopes especially for the first two…. But if we Axe coops contract, don’t extend Ajiritutu, we are still going to have to add Bodies at WR. Can’t go into the season with Only 3 puppies at WR… We already have to replace Miles Austin. Although the #6 WR can be replaced with a #4 TE, a FB, a #4 RB even…. But we would still need a #4 and #5 WR and can’t spend two picks on WR this year.
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This makes me nervous as all hell that the Cocaroach Riley Cooper is going to find a way to survive again so we only have to add one body to replace tutu…Going to be annoyed if they make him take a paycut and let him stay
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Is BOldin even going to play next year? Seems like Father,time has caught up to him.. I remember us wanting to trade for him since Andy was here and he played for the Cardinals, he was a monster back then… I suspect that BOldin will be like Vernon Davis, get traded for one last pay day while providing nothing for his new team..
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Im perfectly fine with our starting weapons, but we are going To have to address the WRA depth, we will need bodies… If we are adding WR, instead of a Physical WR with size. Im hoping we add a,speed Deamon. Someone with Desean, Ted Ginn type Burners…
Seattle didn’t want Mathis and Denver benched him at least twice during the year. Strange when every team needs offensive linemen.
I want no part of DJax, but he may be available if they do indeed cut him this year.
I think you’d get a hungry guy who probably remembers Peterson and Howie fondly.
Ehhh, 2 catches for 13 yards in the playoffs isn’t a guy I want. He’s electric sometimes, but other times he’s no where to be found. Now that he’s injury prone, I think it’s just too much of a headache IMO.
I’m a huge fan and will remain so.
I hear you… The dissapearing acts Desean and Shady would pull come playoff time is a big turn off that makes it easier for me to accept that they are no longer Eagles… They remind me of Arizona Cardinal star players, bunch of gutless front runners who disapearred in playoff time
I dunno. Think it’s more likely that they cut Garcon, not sure they would cut Both…
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I could see a case for Desean if we keep SAM, but he always dissapears in the playoffs so it would be a fun exciting, F You Chip Kelly, Reunion, but probably won’t be worth the money
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Rather find a Deep Ball burner in the Draft,,, the Homer in me wants my fellow Roman Catholic alumni will Fuller catching BOMBS for the fighting Irish, but after the WR problems we had last year, even the Homer in me find it hard to argue for bringing in Fuller and his scary Horrendous Drop Rate…curious To see if last years deep threat,from Ohio St pans out for the Jets..
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Chip Regime was big on size, and that’s a good thing. But we need to add some top notch Speed to the WR and DB rooms..combine some top flight speed, with our size in playërs like Jordan, Nelson, Rocked up Huff built like a RB, ROWE, Jenkins, Maxwell.. All playërs with some Size… Add some burners. And we should be set
None. Their current teams don’t seem all that interested in keeping them either.
Another day; another draft?
Round 1 Pick 13: Jalen Ramsey, CB/FS, Florida State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford (A-)
Round 4 Pick 15: Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois (A)
Round 5 Pick 23: Jayron Kearse, SS, Clemson (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech (B+)
Round 7 Pick 30: Jaydon Mickens, WR, Washington (A)
Ioannidis . . .
he could be a steal in Rd 6, pending Combine – Pro Day
Like a lot of folks keep pointing out, the simulations tend to run behind the actual talent eval cycle……………………….so most of these “steals” are going to be gone before I’m getting them here.
I just like doing the drafts to get a feel of all of the names, all of the positions, and all of the teams all at the same time.
Any thoughts on Ioannidis at this point?
Just what I read……..
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/matthew-ioannidis?id=2555240
So it seems like he’s a guy that can smash up a C/G combo and let Cox get up-field more easily on plays when we’re resting Logan.
I swear I would shed tears of joy if Ramsey falls to #13…. Hopefully he has a bad combine or something
Yeah, I almost missed that he was there.
Here’s another “no shot”
Round 1 Pick 13: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 16: Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford (A-)
Round 4 Pick 15: Kenny Lawler, WR, California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 14: Evan Boehm, C, Missouri (A-)
Round 5 Pick 23: Jayron Kearse, SS, Clemson (A-)
Round 6 Pick 13: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (B-)
Round 7 Pick 30: Matt Judon, DE/OLB, Grand Valley State (A-)
What do you guys do at 13 if;
Tunsil, Stanley, Goff, Wentz, Bosa, Jack, Buckner, Ramsey, Hargreaves, Ogbah, Treadwell, and Lawson are all gone?
Take Lynch? If you don’t like him then its trade down time and grab whichever DT falls down to where you have traded down to.
I don’t really like Lynch that much to be honest.
I have Wentz over him, but i really like his size and athleticism and has a live arm. Technically his footwork is a concern but if it develops he will throw a rocket. he has some good touch at times on throws. Lots of questions about adapting to pro schemes, but that is the same with most QB’s these days.
I like him, think there is a lot of Big Ben in him is his upside if he can develop with time.
Will be a slow process, since the footwork needs a lot of work as does developing his pro game.. but the upside is there for sure.
Lynch just struck me as a massive wuss in a few games; Temple especially. I think he also showed a lot of Gabbert / Kolb in the Auburn game.
Having said that i have just had to take Lynch off my draft board all together:
Three dopes / one tweet.
‘Sell, Roseman, Sell!’
I have Mackensie Alexander ahead of Hergreaves so I’d take take him. I think he’s the best CB prospect since Patrick Peterson. He is a true shut down CB.
Noah Spence is high on my board. He seems to have turned his life around and was the best player at the Senior Bowl.
I watched my teammates go win the national championship without me last year alone in my house..the fire that put in me will never burn out
— Noah Spence (@nspence94) February 5, 2016
I’d be fine with Taylor Decker or Darron Lee if we couldn’t trade back. Both are being underrrated right now.
Thank you on the CB discussion. It seems those dudes don’t often play as well an in NFL as their draft order indicated they should
I can’t agree on Spence; I don’t trust him.
Darron Lee is a serious talent, but I think Decker isn’t good for a first round pick.
I look at the 4 teams in the Championship games amd see tge impact thier CBs have. Belichick is a freak so they get by with Malcolm Butler, but there is Patrick Peterson, Josh Norman, and Aqib Talib making those into top defenses. The Seahawks been one of the top teams the last few years with Sherman. In today’s pass happy league a top CB is the dufference between a good and great defense.
I feel Alexander is a special talent. He’s a great athlete, has good technique, he’s a stdent of the gane, and has the swag of a top CB.
Like any prospect, if you dont trust them you dont draft them (especially high). Interviews will be important for Spence, but from a distance this kid seems to have learned from his mistakes. If the eagles draft him its because passed his interviews with flying colors.
I have Decker as my #3 OT. The combine will really determine where he goes, but I think he’s more athletic than people are giving him credit for. Other than that he checks every box for an NFL LT
I’ll have to disagree on Decker. .I think he’s a guy who people will out-muscle and get up and under a lot. I’m curios the see where his weight lifting numbers come in.
We’ll also have to stay in disagreement on Spence. If he was just a weed dude I wouldn’t worry, but his own accounts of his ecstasy use terrify me.
I’ll totally keep an eye out on Alexander and I 100% agree with you that having a high level of corner play is vital. Maxwell cannot be long for this team at that salary, so having a top top guy to play opposite Death Rowe has a lot of advantages.
Best player available would be Billings
Best need available would be Lynch
Most likely picked would be Alexander
If they don’t like Lynch I’d be real tempted to move back. Find a playoff team looking for a premium player and take their late first and second round picks. Sprigs+Fuller or Whitehair+Darian Thompson would be best way to use pick 13.
That is so my preferred answer if one of my top guys isn’t there at 13.
I watched some Treadwell the other day. Explosive off the line, can make contested catches away from his body, mediocre at routes amd can drop easy balls. I dont think Ole Miss used him/threw to him deep enough honeatly. Not sure hes worth pick 13.
Best Player Available. ;~)
Sorry, Mike. Meant to reply to you. A little too quick on the trigger, if I may use a Wild West term.
Name him
Elliott , Lynch, Spence, Rankins, Robinson, Jaylon Smith.
Not a fan of Elliot at 13. Don’t like Lynch in round 1. Rankins and Robinson are good. Spence is a drug addict who I don’t want. Jaylon Smith is an awesome talent, but I need assurances he doesn’t pull an Embiid.
Those are the BPAs except maybe Smith. Elliott is a rare breakaway back and top 10-15 talent. Fact I don’t want Dallas or Giants getting him probably means I should like him for Eagles if QBs and Jack and two OTs are gone.
Murray will probably get cut next offseason.
Lynch is talented but QBs are a risk, that’s just how it is. Goff and Wentz are about as risky too especially Wentz who hasn’t played much QB. Lynch has tools many QB prospects don’t have but I do admit he could bust. But so could Goff whose ceiling is Matt Ryan level so that’s kind of a bust depending on how you look at it.
Smith is in teens now but he could fall if his medical reports aren’t good.
Goff’s ceiling is lightyears above Matt Ryan.
Respectfully, how exactly do you make that call?
Mentally Goff is very advanced. He’s manipulating defenses at 21. Arm strength stuff is overblown. He’s got good mobility, but it’s mobility to throw. He can move around and buy himself time, but it’s not YOLO ball. He can stand in the pocket ook down the gunbarrel deliver a ball and take a hit. He’s got top 5 QB ceiling.
Ryan was known for that at B.C. Are you kidding me that was his game. what the hell.
I think you’re confusing a high floor and a high ceiling but he has a lot to learn so he could get better and be a franchise QB like Ryan has been….the arm strength isn’t overblown, it is what it is, that ‘s why his ceiling is lower. If Ryan threw with more velocity he’d be better. Goff isn’t an athlete at Wentz and Lynch level. I don’t think I
I think Goff is the safest pick and I actually like him actually a lot.
Arm strength stuff is overblown, because he’s still physically underdeveloped. He can already put a ball 60 yards in the air. As he continues to fill out his frame, his lower body and core get stronger, his velocity will improve. He’s like a 20 year old shortstop who slaps doubles all over the place. At 25-26 that guy will have 15-20 HR power, because they aren’t done physically maturing.
You’ve seen Brady improve it througout his career. 2001 Tom wouldn’t have been able to get the most out of Moss. Hell Rodgers had arm strength concerns coming out and he’s probably got the best arm except for Cam.
Physical tools =/= talent or upside
Also I’ll bet he test athletically much closer to Wentz and Lynch than people think. They’re all probably 4.7 guys.
Cool. But to me it’s hard to say a middling prospect has a higher ceiling than an established starter in the big show.
I am itchy scratchy
This sounds like a cat and mouse game.
No one cares.
No power at my house since noon Friday.
Ouch. Sorry to hear that.
I’m not sure if Tommy will have a new post up, so
ROLL CALL:
Who are you rooting for today?
I’m all in on cheering for Denver, but they’ll need several things to break their way for a win.
I think the big matchup is how does Denvers waves of attacking DL fare against the Carolina run game. I think they’ll give Carolina fits, but with the inverted wishbone all it takes is one blown assignment and it’s 6.
Sorry bud I’m pulling for Cam.
I need to see this play out in real life
https://twitter.com/JimmyDonofrio/status/696045303825330176
Disgusting.
But the possibility of a blown assignment vs. the Carolina run is certainly something that could tilt the game.
Tough call. I have a soft spot for Manning and wouldn’t mind him getting some more hardware to cap off the tremendous career. But the hate and criticism against Cam the last couple years has been disgusting (not talking about you specifically, Mike, although…), and I am a bit tired of HOF white QBs playing the NFL like a video game, and it would be a good thing for a guy who talks about grits and collard greens to be a Superbowl-winning QB.
My hate on Cam is for low completion % and the offence they have designed around him being like a rugby match; I ain’t trying to watch that type of stuff in my league. Designed runs with a QB pulling the ball in and out of fakes are visually something I can’t stand. I’d much rather enjoy last year’s Brady / Wilson being different types of great passers all game.
The criticisms of the dancing and celebrating are dumb. I’m of the belief that if you don’t want people dancing; keep them out of the endzone.
I hear you, man. The aesthetics of the running QB can be nasty, indeed. However, I like there to be more than one way to win. It’s cool to me in the NBA that LeBron, Curry, Durant, and K.Leonard can all be really awesome players and play totally different games.
Denver 63 Carolina 0. Peyton Manning throws for 8 TDs.
That would be a revelation!
I dont want to live in a workd wher Eli finishes his career with more SBs than Peyton. Its just fundamentally wrong
True. And I’m in a double anti-Eli mood because I think Stabler getting into the HOF yesterday makes it harder for me to keep Eli out.
But Eli shouldn’t get in.
Panthers all the way. Reminds me of the McNabb/Jim Johnson led Eagles teams.
I could watch this play all day. (7:10 mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=428&v=VrMUPror8KY
I’m really hoping the muscle and fitness dopes use combine / pro day stuff to get Goff to slide to where we can get him. You’d mentioned a chance of that a little while ago, so I hope it happens.
While I dont have him as the top guy, I am really starting to think Lynch will be Cleveland’s pick. The key for Goff is San Fran. Goff seems like a guy that Chip would love. He’s accurate, he’s been durable, and he plays in the Pac 12. If they decide to give Kaep a try (i think they should see of he works in that offense) that we have a legit shot at Goff. We will likely gave to trade up a bit to prevent teams from leap frogging us, but Goff is the top guy IMO.
I agree………..and the fact that the Rams can use our 2nd to leapfrog us to steal Goff (or Wentz) is giving me stress.
My realistic dream scenario is trading a 3rd to move up and land Goff, trade a Franchised Bradford to Houston for pick 22, and draft BPA at that spot.
Whitehair or Spriggs at 22 would be fun.
Im leaning towards a OG in rounds 3/4. There are so many guys that can come in, start, and be an improvement day 1.
Sebastian Tretola (I love this guy)
Joe Dahl
Joshua Garnett
Reese Odhiambo
Denver Kirkland
Max Tuerk
I hare that Chip put us in this position, but I lean towards another WR or CB. I always feel you need to do everything you can to add talent around young QBs and our weapons just arent good enough. Also CBs seem to take a year or two to develop. Drafting a guy like Eli Apples lets us get rid of Maxwell next year.
I’m good with that. Plus Tuerk can put Kelce off of this roster!
And I’m still not 100% sold on the Browns going QB at 2 if Haslem forces RG3 onto they new staff.
That would be awesome, buf I dont think Hue Jackson takes that job unless he gets his QB. Jackson doesnt seem the type to get bullied into anything.
And neither is Halsem………
and for all we know the key interview questions was “How are you going to win me a title with RG3 as your QB?”
Its possible, but I still dont think it is likely. That can do both. Have RG3 compete with Lynch. If they both play well one can always be traded down the line.
If we were talking ANY other team, I’d agree. But the fact that Haslem was so burnt by not getting RG3 in the draft that he fired the whole front office shortly thereafter leads me to think something will be afoot with the Browns anointing him as their starter and going with Bosa at 2.
We’ll find out soon enough.
I’d love to get him but I don’t know if he’ll fall. This was a well executed game plan but so many short passes in the game and wide open receivers.. It was Alex Smith type day for Goff in that game just taking what defense gave him. His longest pass completion of the day was a garbage TD of 31 yards in last 2 minutes. He missed a couple long 30 yardish throws in that game if memory serves me right. It was a lot of dink and dunk.
Foles Inception guys…. it has a greater than 0% chance of happening! I called it a week ago…. final fuck you to Chip.
http://phillyinfluencer.com/2016/02/breaking-nick-foles-coming-back-to-the-eagles/
It’s based off a fake tweet! Go to the ESPN twitter feed that they have a supposed screen shot of. There isn’t anything about Foles and the Eagles. There’s some idiot named DadSelfie that poses as various media and he faked himself as Adam Schefter and sent out a tweet saying that.
The fake tweet that spawns a mega-assumption is awesome!
Yeah but tbh it has been confirmed 100% by another source… ESP has denied the rumor emphatically and as a general rule of thumb everything he says is wrong and in the end is proven incorrect so… Foles 2.0
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/02/nick_foles_to_the_eagles_how_an_internet_rumor_dom.html
foles sux
It’s legit. People were posting a screenshot of something I thought was from ESPN’s twitter feed but as it turns out was some type of e-mail alert. Didn’t see it on ESPN’s feed so assumed it was bogus. Then thrown off by DadSelfie, notorious for fake tweets, later posing as Adam Schefter and tweeting info. But now the real Schefter has confirmed it.
The plot thickens in the Howie Roseman time machine.
Schefter just said no tag for Bradford.
Let me explain why Foles does make some degree of sense. Are you going to win a SB with Foles? Hell no. Are you going to win one with Sam Bradford? Heck no. So, who makes more sense as a bridge QB? Bradford on the franchise tag? Or Nick Foles who has a 2016 salary of $1.75M with a guaranteed roster bonus of $6M. If u trade for him after the Rams pay the roster bonus(unsure of exact date it’s due) then you have Foles at $1.75M. That’s backup money. Not very good of a backup really. If u trade for him before the Rams pay the roster bonus and pay it yourself, they might end up giving you compensation for taking him off thier hands and saving them $6M of cap room.
No way they pay him and then trade him, will have to take that option if you trade for him. Would be hard deal to work out since it really is a salary dump so i would want more back from them than i gave.. something like a 2016 7th for 2017 5th and Foles.
The other option is the Jimmy ‘the Hack’ K proposal, which is a straight up trade of Murray for Foles, both teams earth their mutual guaranteed money but probably helps both teams.
no way la would do that they already have gurley
No it makes sense… They would Pay Murray $7mil in 2016 and then be able to cut him, rather than paying 7.75mil to a backup QB they do not want long term. Murray would be a solid 2nd RB to Gurley and could take some carrys and be quality injury protection.
Yep, but still think Foles at a $7.75M cap hit is better than Bradford at $19.7M. Getting compensation from Rams to dump Foles’ guaranteed roster bonus plus potentially getting a 2017 comp pick for Bradford(depending on how many players they sign in FA versus losing) just improves the equation.
Why would Rams want to pay Murray 7 million. They drafted Gurley and Mason last two years.
We already have the bridge guy, his name is Mark Sanchez. Yes let the anger and hate flow but it makes no sense to get either of those guys if you just want a bridge QB.
Depends on how you want to bridge. Do you want to bridge with the same playbook for the vet and the rookie? If so, Sanchez ain’t that guy given Peterson bringing West Coast 2.0
I believe Sanchez ran the WCO with the Jets a few years ago?
That looked like a run first system to me.
The Jets had Marty Mornhinweg for a year with Sanchez. Sanchez called up Garcia for tips with the WCO too. But Sanchez didn’t play that year.
Gotcha. I’m more remembering their Brian Shottenheimer stuff when Shanchez handed his way off to two years of bliss.
Are the Eagles going to include another needless pick (their ’17 2nd round pick) when they trade for Foles?
This is Howie making the deals… he gets value even if you question his talent evaluation.
It shouldn’t be that hard given what transpired with Foles.
I wonder how badly Buzz Bissinger is hoping Foles is the Eagles’ QB again.
If the Foles is the starting QB (and they draft a QB this year in the 1st round) next year, this is how I’ll feel about this past year and this offseason . . .
https://media.giphy.com/media/4Dy1Btpt0qUZa/giphy.gif
Both Bowen and McLane are throwing water on the Foles report. Both of them are saying that cap issues would make it difficult to trade Foles as the Rams would take a big dead money hit. That simply isn’t true. If they trade him before his roster bonus is due(3rd day of league year apparently), then the acquiring team would pay that roster bonus and the only dead $ hit that STL would take is the acceleration of remaining pro-rated SB or $2M.
Those reporters should follow you, so you wouldn’t have to correct each one of the individually.
Think all of these reporters are basing their #s in the framework of why Foles isn’t getting released by Rams. Equation changes entirely with trade versus cut.
There are definitive reports on Twitter:
1. The Eagles are 100% possibly considering not using the franchise tag on Bradford, maybe, and
2. The Eagles are definitely either interested or not interested in Foles, which makes sense because he either was or wasn’t a Howie pick.
Got it.
could or couldn’t have said it better myself
Wow! Shocking Flyers goal from Schultz right there.
Faaark off to FOles lol