More on the Deal

Posted: April 21st, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 424 Comments »

Let’s start with the Goff vs Wentz angle.

I prefer Jared Goff. Many of you let me know that you disagree and strongly prefer Carson Wentz. That’s fine. This isn’t a situation where there is a right and wrong answer.

Some things we know for a fact. Wentz is bigger and stronger. Goff played against better competition. Wentz has a better arm. Goff has better pocket presence. But trying to evaluate the prospects as a whole? That’s opinion.

There are legit concerns with both players. If either one of these players felt like a slam dunk, the Browns would likely have stayed put and taken their QB of the future.

When it comes to the draft, there is no such thing as a sure thing. You have to deal with probability. Wentz comes from a smaller school. Tough. Wentz doesn’t have ideal experience, in terms of games started or passes thrown. Tough.

But Wentz has NFL size. He has an NFL arm. He is a high character player. While Wentz did play lower level competition, he helped his school win 2 national titles. He stood out when he did face elite competition at the Senior Bowl. There is absolutely a strong case to be made for him. It won’t surprise me in the least if Wentz has an outstanding career.

Obviously the Eagles are very comfortable with Wentz and Goff. I know I prefer Goff. Some of you prefer Wentz. It will be interesting to see if we ever truly find out who the Eagles prefer.


The Eagles are coming off a 7-9 season that was hugely disappointing.

Cleveland has only won 7 or more games twice in the past 13 years.

The Eagles aren’t in total rebuild mode. They are building, but not from the ground up. There is a good foundation already in place. The Browns are a completely different story. They are building from the ground up. Philly re-signed key players and then added free agents. Cleveland lost some good players in free agency.

You can’t get stuck in the thought of why Cleveland was willing to move. Different organizations doing different things. It feels like each team did the right thing based on what they are trying to accomplish.


What about Sam Bradford’s feelings?

I wrote about that here.

There are some people now wondering if the Eagles will trade Bradford to a QB needy team like the Jets or Broncos. That seems very unlikely due to contracts and the salary cap.

You also have the simple fact that Jeff Lurie wants to compete in 2016. He’s not delusional and thinking this team is going to win it all. But he sees enough talent for this team to compete for the division title in a watered-down NFC East.

In today’s NFL, you don’t need to hit rock bottom to build a title contender.


While the Eagles did pay a steep price to move up, they do still have some ammo this year.


The 3rd rounder could net a potential starter. You can find some good players in the 5th round. You are more likely to land role players, but remember that Trent Cole and Brent Celek were both 5th round steals. Any good Cincy Bearcats out there this year?

Those final 3 picks are where you are really looking for role players.

It hurts not having the full complement of picks, but you have to pay a price if you want to move up for a potential impact player.

And Howie Roseman made a key point on Wednesday. The Eagles have to do a great job with undrafted players this year. You can find talent there. You have to be smart and aggressive.


424 Comments on “More on the Deal”

  1. 1 Charlie Kelly said at 9:59 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    i wish the rams would just come out and say who they are drafting already lol

  2. 2 anon said at 10:10 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    i’m sure NFL has begged them not to. Lots of air time to fill between now and next week.

  3. 3 Media Mike said at 5:09 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Further reason why Goodell needs a punch in the face.

  4. 4 Charlie Kelly said at 10:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    if i was a browns fan, i be pissed!! in no way should the browns be passing over top QB prospects. They havent had a QB since…. ……. umm…… bernie kosar?? my god!! lol

  5. 5 Media Mike said at 5:01 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    They’re owner is a straight lunatic. He thinks they can make a go of RG3 for the year and then get back into the QB business again next year if they need to. Good luck with that group.

  6. 6 bdbd20 said at 7:17 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    They wanted Goff.

    Mike Silver is very close to Hue and he pretty much said this. They obviously don’t rank Wentz that high. They can still get Lynch, Cook, or Hack if they want.

    They can always wait for Watson or Kaaya next year.

  7. 7 Media Mike said at 4:28 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    So they’ll get a RB and a QB; nice!

  8. 8 ac134spectre said at 4:40 PM on April 23rd, 2016:

    If you are dumb enough to take a RB that high… just who the hell does that?

  9. 9 Stephen E. said at 1:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    What I find amazing about the Browns is, despite having been a losing team for 13 out of the last 15 seasons, their franchise W-L record is still better than the Eagles.

    That’s how bad it’s been for the Eagles in the 55 seasons since their last championship.

    Of course, you have to ignore the fact that that successful franchise is really now in Baltimore, but… hey, it’s complicated.

  10. 10 Charlie Kelly said at 2:23 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    or just look at record from modern times 90 til now

  11. 11 More on the Deal - said at 10:00 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    […] Tommy Lawlor Let’s start with the Goff vs Wentz angle. I prefer Jared Goff. Many of you let me know that […]

  12. 12 GermanEagle said at 10:01 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Most boring off season ever.

  13. 13 ChoTime said at 11:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I miss our old boring offseasons that led to 12-win campaigns.

  14. 14 laeagle said at 12:31 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Our last 12 win season was after a very exciting offseason if I recall correctly.

  15. 15 GermanEagle said at 6:28 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yeah and don’t forget 2004 when we got both Kearse And TO. That was exciting!!!

  16. 16 ChoTime said at 9:50 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    There you go, ruining my perfectly good post with facts! Still…

  17. 17 Plzgetreal said at 9:53 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Well, we could always have the excitement of the “Dream Team” offseason.

  18. 18 NoPedersonNoPedersonNoPederson said at 10:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Kelce went to cincy too…add him to the list of late round bearcat steals

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 5:01 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I agree. Kecec was stealing last year.

  20. 20 Cafone said at 10:18 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Hopefully he can trade some of those picks, maybe for better picks next year.

  21. 21 anon said at 10:22 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Crazy thing is browns can likely get an amazing player at 8 or move down more.

  22. 22 Cafone said at 10:23 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    They really didn’t seem that amazing when we had the #8.

  23. 23 anon said at 10:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    they don’t seem amazing at 2 either…

  24. 24 Sean Stott said at 12:55 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    That’s the hardest part about this epic trade. I’m sure it could very well work out, but these two QBs, while both interesting, aren’t as exciting as Luck or Mariota.

  25. 25 Sean Stott said at 12:43 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Really have to agree with this. The only players who really make me go WOW in this draft are Tunsil, Ramsey, and Jack. Jack has the knee issue though, and Ramsey is a DB. I think it’s crazy to draft a DB that high. After that there are definitely a lot of very good prospects, but overall I don’t feel like this is the best draft class.

  26. 26 A_T_G said at 6:31 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The true value in the draft is the spots where we don’t have picks, because we aren’t forced to consider the warts on those players.

  27. 27 Cafone said at 10:24 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Who do you think is going to lead the NFL in sacks next year? Connor Barwin, Brandon Graham, or Vinny Curry?

  28. 28 Greg Richards said at 10:43 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Marcus Smith

  29. 29 ChoTime said at 11:15 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Dude is on track to be the Mamula of this generation, somehow.

  30. 30 BlindChow said at 11:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    He hopes.

  31. 31 ChoTime said at 9:47 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Ha, I meant more in the sense of being a punchline. Mamula was ok, we just wanted more.

  32. 32 Anders said at 2:13 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If Smith can have 31.5 sacks over 5 years, it will be good

  33. 33 Media Mike said at 5:00 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    How was he compared to Warren Sapp? I can’t believe I didn’t smash my TV in half during that draft.

  34. 34 Anders said at 6:07 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I wasn’t an eagles fan until 2002 so Watkins and Smith are the biggest busts for me and Smith hurts because I wanted Bridgewater or Carr instead

  35. 35 P_P_K said at 9:53 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Let’s hope these guys remain your biggest busts in the future, too.

  36. 36 Media Mike said at 4:30 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I was obsessed with Teddy going into the season that year, but I was blinded by Foles gold and assumed we’d be all set a QB. I remain a big Teddy fan.

  37. 37 Sb2bowl said at 11:03 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    They will tie, with 22 each 🙂

  38. 38 James Adair said at 1:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:


  39. 39 daveH said at 10:32 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Prince died but Police didn’t release his name

  40. 40 ChoTime said at 11:16 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    RIP. Had some sweet tunes.

  41. 41 Dan in Philly said at 10:34 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Upon reflection, I’m really excited we are getting one of the top 2 QBs in a draft where QB goes #s 1-2. Especially since he won’t need to start at all in 2016, he can get used to the NFL, which I believe will mean we’re as good a match for him as possible. Sure it might not work out but what a special chance we now have.

  42. 42 anon said at 10:36 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    yeah i think thats why they decided to jump up — been a long time since we’ve been able to get a blue chip guy.

  43. 43 易路营销 said at 10:53 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  44. 44 Shawn said at 11:05 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Our biggest need was starting RB where docyou go for that nine on the rostwr can carry the ball for forca full game or 16 straight games!!

  45. 45 myartz04 said at 11:07 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  46. 46 Insomniac said at 11:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Where do you find a starting RB that can play a full season now.

  47. 47 Cafone said at 11:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    They have Mathews and Sproles so really they only need a guy that can handle 6-8 carries a game with a slightly larger load if one of the starters gets hurt. A Kenyon Barner type of guy.

  48. 48 miked718 said at 7:42 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I for one am excited to see what Sproles can do in the feature role (c’mon Mathews is not gonna last the entire season). After reading the piece about his past last season with all the great quotes from his father, I believe he’s capable of one last amazing season, if not three. Don’t underestimate the guy who still has a chip on his shoulder.

  49. 49 ChoTime said at 11:14 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Someone on Football Outsiders comments wrote, on the trade: Chip Kelly should be fired immediately.

  50. 50 johhnyblaze said at 11:17 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    The Eagles will receive the Browns’ fourth-round compensatory they’re are expected to receive next year as part of their trade for the No. 2 overall pick.However, if Cleveland doesn’t receive a compensatory pick, the Eagles would instead get the Browns’ fifth-rounder in 2017……..

  51. 51 Insomniac said at 11:19 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Wow Howie sucks..

  52. 52 John Galt said at 11:25 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    Are comp picks at the end of the round? Need a draftnik, paging Greg Richards

  53. 53 Cafone said at 11:27 PM on April 21st, 2016:


  54. 54 John Galt said at 11:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    What? He said we get the fourth round comp pick if they get one, which they almost certainly will.

  55. 55 Cafone said at 11:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    oh yeah, I didn’t read it correctly

    That sucks. A 4th round comp pick next year is practically 6th round pick this year value.

    I’m not a draft expert, but those two picks could be almost back-to-back (the comp 4th and the Browns 5th).

  56. 56 Greg Richards said at 7:39 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The Browns are getting a 4th round comp pick. Expected to get 3 actually. Eagles will get their highest 4th round comp pick.

  57. 57 johhnyblaze said at 11:28 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    I’m not sure how accurate it is, just thought I’d share it

  58. 58 Cafone said at 11:26 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    that’s what I was worried about: a shitty condition.

  59. 59 Sean Stott said at 12:41 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Since when are comp picks tradeable?

  60. 60 Cafone said at 12:42 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    starting next year it seems:

  61. 61 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:46 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The comp pick is almost a lock.. They lost a bunch of free agents and barely signed any..

  62. 62 Iskar36 said at 11:55 PM on April 21st, 2016:

    “It will be interesting to see if we ever truly find out who the Eagles prefer.”

    I mean, I guess it all could be smokescreens, but EVERYTHING the Eagles have pht out suggests their preference is clearly Wentz. They made it clear before the trade even. I don’t doubt that they may like Goff as well, but I would be blown away if Wentz was not their clear prefernce.

  63. 63 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:54 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If Wentz isnt their preference, then Doug Pederson is better at the smoke screen game than we think…
    Pederson gets ripped because he is so ackward with the media, McManus had a theory on this that could be legit. He speculated that Pederson is an honest guy and he is still trying to balance his honesty with his new position which often doesn’t allow him to be honest, so when he is asked a question, he gets tripped up from how he wants to answer the question, and how he now Shouldnt be so honest and that leads to some of his ackward exchanges with the media.. Im sure a part of it is just a lack of experience having to deal with the media as the front man.
    If Pederson could simply answer every question with total honesty, he probably wouldn’t have as many ackward exchanges with the media… he will learn.

  64. 64 nopain23 said at 12:12 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Hey T

    i can tell by you’re writing that you’re disappointed that the iggles gave up so much for guys you don’t think are really franchise guys. Now word is we’ll really have to hit on undrafted guys to make it out of this draft with any semblance of success. it ‘s going to be slim pickings by the time we make our second pick. hopefully we get a decent guy to develop to bolster our o-line

  65. 65 daveH said at 12:13 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I wonder if they want goff or wentz or someone else

  66. 66 Media Mike said at 5:20 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I still remain unhappy with only picking at 77 and then not again until mid-5th round.

    So I traded down from 77 twice.

    Round 1 Pick 2: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 1 (CLE): Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B)
    Round 4 Pick 4 (S.D.): Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 8 (MIA): Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (B)
    Round 5 Pick 25: DeAndre Houston-Carson, FS, William & Mary (B+)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Tanner McEvoy, TE/WR, Wisconsin (B)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Tre Madden, RB, Southern California (A+)

  67. 67 Anders said at 6:50 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Would be crazy if we picked 2 guys from NDSU with our first 2 picks

  68. 68 Media Mike said at 4:32 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Not intentional on my part, but it builds in a nice support structure for Wentz to have his tackle with him.

  69. 69 James Adair said at 1:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    No LBs?

  70. 70 Media Mike said at 4:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Nobody presented value where I picked. I’ve been taking Travis Feeney a lot and occasionally DeVondre Campbell. Nick K from WVU is never rated high enough on the board when I go looking for him.

  71. 71 A_T_G said at 7:24 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “This isn’t a situation where there is a right and wrong answer.”

    I disagree completely. There absolutely is a right answer, possibly a subtle answer like Rivers/Manning or possibly a less subtle answer like Manning/Leaf. That is why people are nervous. The tough part is that the answer is unknowable today, and possibly for years to come.

  72. 72 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    agree 100%
    throw in the fact that we get the Rams reject. That feeling kind of sux.
    Odds of 1 of the QB’s having an outstanding career are not great. Odds of both QB’s having an outstanding year are even lower. There will clearly be a right and wrong answer. One could argue that how the Eagles organization is run, their QB will have more success I guess….

  73. 73 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:36 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If we had to go against the QB opinions of other teams, Rams and Browns are probably some of the better teams to bet against,,, when was the last time Fisher found a QB gem in a draft?

  74. 74 eagleyankfan said at 10:47 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    lmao. Or any offensive player for that matter…

  75. 75 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:48 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Basically……. Id be much more concerned about betting against the Rams opinion of a Defensive player

  76. 76 ACViking said at 11:42 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Sam Bradford?

  77. 77 Insomniac said at 11:54 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    They were right on that decision so far.

  78. 78 Mac said at 12:01 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I remember thinking when Sam was drafted that he seemed too injury prone (I know some don’t believe that’s a thing) to go #1 overall. I bet the Rams would’ve liked a do-over.

  79. 79 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Last I checked, Fisher has zero to do with the drafting of Sammy sleeves

  80. 80 Mac said at 12:16 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I actually wasn’t commenting about Fisher, but I do recognize that this part of the thread is about him.

  81. 81 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    gotcha…. I feel fortunate that we get to watch SAM next year, especially now that we traded away next years first which eliminates anything positive about having to sit thru a season watching Chase to pretend being a starter, the one value in that would be the high pick we get next year, but that’s out the window now,,,, I do think it made more sense to not have both Chase and Bradford now that we are all in on a QB… But Ultimately we are rabid fans, and SAM/Chase give us our best chance to have an enjoyable season next year and when you can put yourself in a better position short term without hurting your ability Longterm, it’s hard to complain about that.
    I also think bradford is a good thing, because Wentz may end up needing more than 1 year on the bench, and it would be hard to give him that if they had to ask the fans to watch two years of chase… So while adding all 3 QBs wasn’t my ideal scenario, it’s probably not hurting us, spending more money on free agents ISNT always a good thing anyway
    As a fan, I can’t Want to see the Eagles draft a QB I have never seen play more than I want them to draft a top prospect at #8 at other positions that I have been drooling over for years, but to tell you the truth, spending our 1st pick on a QB DOESNT hurt as much as missing out on the opportunity to draft 3 kids in 75-100 range. But of course that will be a small price to pay if the Eagles are right about Wentz…. Kind of weird situation for me, I can’t remember the last time we were drafting a player in round 1 I never saw play before… Losing a first round pick next year always hurts no matter what, but because we were able to spread the compensation out over the next 3 drafts, it’s easier to accept… I have no choice but to hope the Eagles hit a grand slam on Wentz, how else can I be happy about trading 5 picks for a kid I know so little about?
    I really don’t mind the compensation we have to pay in the next two drafts, what hurts the most for me, is that if we would have hit on 4 or 5 of our draft picks this year, it could have put us in position to be one more good draft away from having one of the top tier rosters. But Wentz ends up being the real deal, all This will be forgotten and it will be looked back on as a brilliant trade. history ISNT on our side, but history has nothing to do with Carson Wentz. Im glad Roseman put himself out there and was so clear about holding him responsible for how this move pans out. If a guy who just came back into power is going to do something so drastic and put his career on the line for this kid, hopefully he is right and we can all win

  82. 82 Mac said at 12:47 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’m also hoping for the best with Bradford this year, and see this team as a real playoff contender if he stays healthy and plays well. I think it’s encouraging seeing the team take so many shots to try to solve the QB mystery that we’re currently enduring. I wouldn’t have minded adding talent at 8, but I think it’s worth the risk trading up because I don’t see this team picking in the top 20 next year.

  83. 83 Insomniac said at 10:58 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Tommy would never straight up say someone will suck.

  84. 84 GermanEagle said at 8:13 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I can’t help it but Goff somehow reminds me of a combination of Kevin Kolb and Matt Barkley…

  85. 85 Spooonius said at 1:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    oof …

  86. 86 Rich said at 8:40 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    There are legit concerns with both players. If either one of these players felt like a slam dunk, the Browns would likely have stayed put and taken their QB of the future
    I disagree with this statement a bit Tommy. I look at the Browns as not passing on the qb of their future but as a no lose situation. They have a huge need for talent a lot of places so our picks give them that, They have RGIII now at qb. If Hue re habs him into an upper tier quarterback, great. Now they have a talented team. If RGIII sux then the Browns are in a position to draft in the top 5 again next year for a franchise qb.

  87. 87 Gian GEAGLE said at 8:58 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Last time two QBs went 1 and 2 for two years in a row the 4 QBs were Peyton, Leaf, Tim Couch, and Mcnabb.. 2 of 4 ended up being legit..
    Hopefully we see a better percentage of success between Jameis, Mariota, Goff and Wentz…
    Goff seems like the type of kid that can thrive playing in the Cali weather.. Come cold, windy, NFC East games in December, give me the big, gritty, Hunter from North Dakota (assuming everything else is equal)… Not like we really have a choice, since we are having to settle for Rams leftovers
    Every prospect comes with risk… We can take our favorite prospects at other positions and he could just as easily bust for various reasons,.. Hopefully our evaluators know what they are doing, more important is the development once we get the kId in philly

  88. 88 the DONALD said at 9:08 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Heard both qbs have the same agent.. eagles are in the know about who rams will take via the agent.. aka they wanted wentz and prob have good info that they will get wentz… RC500 im sure your sources differ however.

  89. 89 Gian GEAGLE said at 9:34 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Oh nice! This is the first I heard of them having the same agent, thank you.
    Feel better about all this when its officially Wentz instead of Goff
    Hopefully Roseman can pluck a few Gems out of rounds 5 and 6
    Would have prefered keeping our 4th and letting the Browns keep their 4th next year, but that’s insignificant if the QB we get ends up being legit

  90. 90 the DONALD said at 9:51 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    source: talk radio.. i know your not a huge fan but the round table guys said they do in fact have the same agent.. they all agreed that they must know info that would allow them to move up with intentions on getting the “guy” they want most.. which we all assume is wentz.

  91. 91 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:13 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Im definitely not a fan, but that doesn’t mean they can’t uncover facts and legit info…especially from the round table which isn’t all radio blowhards, there are also some respectable beat reporters like McManus who can contribute quality content…
    I have no respect for sports Radio hosts and I can’t tolerate them, but I do appreciate when they do interviews with more knowledgable guests like Shefty, Rappaport, Caplan… Its rare that I can listen to sports radio for more than 5 minutes without shutting it off, but I do go to the websites and just listen to segments with their more knowledgable guests,., I caught some of the round table yesterday, but didn’t catch all of it
    Sports radio ISNT all bad, I just can’t stomach the hosts like Gargano, his schtick is unbearable, like I get Embarressed for him when he does his schtick talking like an idiot with respected guests…. The single worst thing to EVER happen to philly sports radio is that Josh Innes blowhard. I can’t fathom how any philly fan can listen to that clown. I would rather listen to Elioot Shorr parks nonsense for 5 hours than endure an hour of Innes… Im really curious to hear from a josh Innes fan.It’s so hard for me to Immagine how anyone can find that lame shock jock to be entertaining or informative, and it’s pretty easy to see that he doesn’t even like Philadelphia or its teams.
    Every once and a while you can even catch a guest appearance by our Tommy Lawlor

  92. 92 the DONALD said at 12:49 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    im not a fan of his (Innes) either.. at all.

  93. 93 P_P_K said at 9:51 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I feel somewhat the same about the Eagles situation. In Bradford and Daniels, they have two guys that should be serviceable quarterbacks. Maybe these guys can fulfill their potential with the same great coaching that is supposed to bring out the potential in Wentz. I would prefer they put resources into plugging the remaining roster holes. Then, like you say, if both guys sux, that’s the time to chase a qb.

  94. 94 Media Mike said at 4:33 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I think you’re woefully underestimating the love affair Haslem has with RG3. I had insisted for months that the Browns were going to sign RG3 and that Haslem wanted him as the starter. I don’t think any QB prospect was going to move Haslem off of that.

  95. 95 Gary Barnes said at 10:05 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    So is Daniel going to be a $7M semi-coach as Bradford and Wentz get most of the reps? Daniel has barely played at the NFL level, is he purely a backup option or do they plan to try and develop him too? Will it eventually be Wentz & Daniel as our 1-2? I doubt the Eagles would eat the $11M cap hit this year to trade Bradford especially if they want to extend Fletch. What happens if there are injuries at the RB, LB and CB spots? We’re pretty thin there and I doubt late round and UDFA guys are going to be difference makers. That 3rd round selection becomes pretty important this year. We better hope the division really stinks this year because I’m not seeing more than 8 wins right now.

  96. 96 ChoTime said at 10:09 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Complainers. Just imagine how happy you’ll be when they have 3 legit QBs when two of them get injured!

  97. 97 Gary Barnes said at 10:22 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Depends on which two. 😉

    I think they are legit concerns. Having Rowe and Carroll as our starting CB is scary, having the injury prone Matthews as our #1 RB is scary and depending on Kendricks & Hicks to stay healthy when neither have shown that ability is scary.

    There is more to a winning roster than the QB. Yes, the QB is important, but as we’ve seen many times so are many other positions on the team. If our defense gets trampled like it did last year again, it will not matter what Bradford or Daniel does. If we cannot run the ball consistently again like last year, it hurts the rest of the offense.

    I think it has become clear that seriously competing in 2016 is not the focus of the Eagles. They are aiming at 2017 and beyond. Understandable, but then it would have made more sense to let Bradford go instead of re-signing him. We then could have invested that $$ in fortifying the other areas of the team we’ll need to be improved for 2017 and beyond.

  98. 98 ChoTime said at 12:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I was joking. I have no idea what the Eagles’ FO plan is, besides that it seems to be unformed, reactive, wishy-washy, and generally aiming mostly for mediocrity (the move up for the QB both supporting and contradicting this impression).

  99. 99 Gary Barnes said at 1:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Sorry my sarcasm meter is off 🙂

  100. 100 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:45 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I see no reason why we shouldn’t go into this season holding this team to the standard of needing to win the division.. If they fall short of that, no big deal. But when I look at our Rivals last year and the Offseasons they had compared to us, I don’t at all see us being the worst team in our division…
    If we shouldn’t expect more than 8 wins, than no one else in our division has a right to expect more than 8 or 9 wins,,with our Rivals having significant weaknesses in some of the most important areas like Cowboys not having a pass rush, Giants not having an OL, skins not having a secondary, I would call the year a dissapointment if we don’t win the division, even tho I’m not expecting some 11 or 12 win season…. If we don’t finish in 1st, or at worst 2nd place in the division, this year will have been a big failure…. I don’t expect us to be ready to contend with the big dogs of the NFl, but we better hold our own in our division at least. Probably can’t expect a great year in the NFC standings, but I’ll be dissapointed if we aren’t a factor in our division

  101. 101 Jason said at 10:28 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Really interesting discussion in former Eagles scout Dan Hatman’s (@Dan_Hatman) timeline about Brandon Graham during the Washburn era. As a scout with the team then, Dan disagrees that it was Washburn’s bias that put Babin ahead of Graham at that time. Rather, Graham was not ready, especially in terms of conditioning and that Chip’s sport science helped him a great deal a few years later.

  102. 102 EaglesGameBalls said at 10:41 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Told you Bradford wouldn’t be on this team next year

  103. 103 Julescat said at 1:54 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    you told up KC would win the Super Bowl
    then you told us Carolina would win the Super Bowl

  104. 104 EaglesGameBalls said at 2:15 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    But you didn’t listen!!

  105. 105 D3FB said at 10:53 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    UDFAs I really like:

    Quinton Jefferson, DT, Maryland, 6’4, 291lbs
    Fits the profile Schwartz seems to like in developmental DTs. Does good job when allowed to penetrate and attack. Has alot of flash plays. 6.5 sacks last year. Could have been 3rd-4th round pick if he had stayed in school for his redshirt senior year. Guy with potential to be valuable rotation DT.

    Delvon Simmons, DT, USC, 6’5 295lbs
    Big time recruit out of Pittsburgh area. Did well early in career at Texas Tech. Transferred when Tuberville left. Got lost in transition at USC with all their talent. Obviously knows DL coach, fits profile.

    Michael Cooper, TE, Indiana, 6’5 259lbs
    Transfered from Arizona. Indiana used 4 TEs so he never got a ton of usage, but flashed a couple when watching Spriggs. Willing blocker doesn’t yet have enough pop in the pads (think Ertz). Grandfather played for the Eagles. Good developmental Y-TE.

    Brandon Ross, RB, Maryland, 5’10, 201lbs
    Newark, DE native. 4th leading rusher in school history. Good long speed. Does well on off tackle power plays. Solid vision. Not Marshawn Lynch but can pinball a bit when he gets behind his pads.

    Storm Woods, RB, Oregon State, 6’0 207lbs
    Was really good early in his career and then kind of fell out of favor. Solid vision, good receiving ability. Won’t break many tackles but has upside as situational scatback.

    Tyrone Holmes, DE, Montana, 6’4 250lbs
    Draft twitter has fallen in love with him lately, so he may get drafted but small school DEs are impossible to project. Can do a job as subpackage DE. Reminds me a bit of Ryan Delaire.

    John Robertson, QB, Villanova
    Won FCS Heisman in 2014. Hurt last year. Practice squad QB, rich mans GJ Kinnie.

    Marquez North, WR, TENN, 6’2 223
    Flashed alot but incredibly inconsistent production at Tennessee. HWS talent flyer.

    Terrell Chesnut, CB, WVU 5’10 196
    Pottsgrove native. One of top recruits in the state coming out of high school. String of injuries hampered his college career but became solid starter for the Mountaineers. In fairness he was my HS QB and I would go to war for the kid but he’s the perfect fringe CB prospect, and tell me with effort like this he won’t give you everything he’s got on Special Teams

  106. 106 Greg Richards said at 12:25 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If Robertson is a rich man’s GJ Kinne, that makes him the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME!!!!

    Also, I doubt that Quinton Jefferson goes undrafted.

  107. 107 D3FB said at 12:50 PM on April 23rd, 2016:

    He’s close. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him drafted in the 5th and wouldn’t be shocked to see him go UDFA.

  108. 108 James Adair said at 2:01 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    LOL, I guess Ross’ long speed was inadequate, let alone his hands on that play.

  109. 109 Media Mike said at 4:34 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Like the inclusion of RBs.

  110. 110 Gian GEAGLE said at 10:54 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Werent the skins blabbing about how they will no longer look for the big name free agent splashes just a year ago? I guess thats out the window already offering Josh Norman a Janoris Jenkins type extension?… Id be very curious to see what Josh Normans season would look like playing in a secondary so lacking of talent.

  111. 111 Stevo said at 11:20 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I hope the Skins sign him. Yeah, he’ll probably give us fits for a year, maybe two, but with the money they’ll need to spend, for a 29-year old zone corner on a 5-year deal, not having seen him play in another system/team, there’s a small chance he actually earns that contract.

  112. 112 MattE said at 11:09 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take” -Wayne Gretzky-

    ….i think this applies to sports, life and business. Lets take a shot, if it doesn’t work, back to the drawing board in 4 years… and back to where we were before the trade to #2.

  113. 113 GermanEagle said at 11:26 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Whoever does a mock draft these days and not nailing the first two picks should be shot.

  114. 114 nevadausa16 said at 11:47 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    best line of the draft season

  115. 115 scratcherk said at 11:26 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Also, drafting a QB gives you that window of 3-4 years where they’re on their rookie contract and you can allocate those resources to building up the team around them. Would be nice if we get to that point.

  116. 116 Mac said at 11:27 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yes, cap room we don’t need for Bradford can be used for good players on the team like Logan.

  117. 117 Mac said at 11:26 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Some people are worried about “holes” on this team. I’m not seeing it, except in terms of depth on defense. It’d be great to add at least 2 strong online to this team. Hopefully, at least one o lineman will be on the board who’s worthy of a third round pick. 5 other late round picks seems like plenty to play around with for this off season.

  118. 118 ChoTime said at 12:39 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Holes: WR, OL, RB, QB

  119. 119 Mac said at 12:43 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    One hole on Oline, but we’ve got 2 solid RBs (and can easily add one late in the draft or UDFA), and nothing worth mentioning will happen at WR other than those guys need to play better than last year… and the hole at QB is why we traded to #2. So yeah, I’m not seeing it, but to each his own.

  120. 120 ChoTime said at 12:46 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Neither Peters nor Kelce can be depended on; Peters is getting old, misses time, and is sometimes just not that effective. Kelce had, what, one good year? Matthews is a killer RB when he plays–it’s not that often… Sproles one of the best gadget guys ever, but that’s it. WR is a hole, whether or not they intend to do anything about it. Rookie QBs don’t fill holes; they are holes. So, yeah, the roster has some problems.

    Besides that I agree completely, man 🙂

  121. 121 Mac said at 12:56 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I really wanted the team to move on from Peters this year and sign Mitchell Schwartz… but apparently that was too much to ask for in one FA period.

  122. 122 ChoTime said at 1:13 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Don’t know, but I’m a pretty big fan of the big uglies, killed me to see them neglected since Reid.

  123. 123 Mac said at 1:22 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Totally agree.

  124. 124 Media Mike said at 4:40 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Very much in agreement on Schwartz!

  125. 125 eagleyankfan said at 1:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Solid as in — Ryan has 1 season in his career where he’s played all 16 games? or his 17 fumbles? I like Ryan. He always flashes — but your definition of solid is different than mine. Or the 33 yr old? Love Sproles too. But, until promises(Ryan’s talent/health) happen, this RB duo is “ok”. WR — pray that JM doesn’t drop as many and Aggie to take his next step is good hope. Praying Huff does anything is a long shot. Lots of hoping at RB and WR — which does translate to holes….

  126. 126 Media Mike said at 4:39 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’m good at WR. We won 11 and 12 games with the likes of Torrance Small, Charles Johnson, James Trash, and Todd Stinkston.

    QB is solved on Thursday night.

    But agree on o line and RB

  127. 127 Gian GEAGLE said at 1:04 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If we could just turn off injuries like a video game I would be more inclined to agree but we have plenty of work to still do on our roster. For me I don’t care as much about the future compensation we owe the Browns, but it does hurt that before this trade, we had a chance to really shore up this roster if we could of hit on 4 or 5 picks (at least 3 of which ideally would have been starting Caliber). A really strong draft this year could have made this a monster off season and put us one more quality draft away from having something real nice in place… If we can pluck a few Gems out of mid-late rounds this year we can still be in solid shape, but our odds of that were better before the trade..of course if this giant unknown To me(Wentz) goes on to be a top QB it will be worth it….
    Unless Hepburn and Skinner are quality NFL Backup Lbs capable of stepping in for our not so durable starting LBs, than we have holes at LB.
    As of today with no Backup 3tec, we would need Cox to play 16 games this year. And when your backs in an attacking style DL are Taylor Hart and Beau Allen, I dont see how We don’t dont have holes at DT. I feel very fortunate that this draft has so much depth at DT because our backups really scare me, and those Backups don’t just sit on the bench in case of emergency, they will be called upon to rotate in games starting week 1..
    We could be set at CB (at least short term), or it can again be a weakness for us depending on what we get from Rowe,Nolan and Leodis… With the picks we lost, we may have to wait Til next draft to prioritize CB
    Im actually perfectly fine with our Guard position Shorterm, since adding Wiz and getting Gardner back from Injury, and hopefully someone like Bunche surprises us.. but when all you have on your bench at Tackle is Dennis Kelly or Guards that you have to ask to play Tackle, OT is an alarming need.
    We are going to need 3 new RBs in the next two years, it be nice to add one this offseason if possible
    Fortunately our holes are depth or role player need, where as our division rivals still have some holes at key starting positions for next year

  128. 128 Gary Barnes said at 1:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:


    Matching Rowe and Carroll up against ODB (2X), Dez (2X), DJax (2X), Julio Jones, AJ Green and Antonio Brown this season may get ugly. They are likely to get smoked and our depth is mediocre/unproven so if one of them gets injured, we are in even bigger trouble.

    Pederson’s system, as we’ve been told, is supposedly built around the run, but Matthews is our top RB right now and he is an injury or two waiting to happen. Plus even when healthy, he is not a game breaker. Sproles will turn 33 this June and Barner is a part timer. As we saw last season, without a consistently good run game, Bradford struggles and its not like we have an elite WR corps to compensate either.

    At LB, both Hicks and Kendricks are very injury prone and we have an unknown new guy at SAM. Kendricks is a decent LB, not great. Hicks I like a lot, but who knows if he’ll be able to be as good at MLB. The depth is non-existent so when, not if, when Hicks and/or Kendricks go down they may need Vince Papale to try out again.

    OL should be better with the additions and likely one pick this draft. S and TE seem in good shape although depth again at S is non-existent. We certainly have enough QB and the DT/DE should be a strength again. But we definitely have holes and are banking on a lot of things to go perfectly right.

  129. 129 Media Mike said at 4:38 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t like us long term at;

    one tackle – who is replacing Peters
    one guard – who is the long term starter opposite Brooks
    center – Kelce’s flaws have progressively been showing more than his talents
    RB – Mathews needs a cranberry juice, Sproles isn’t young, Barner is trash
    one CB – love death Rowe, but rest of roster is CB3 quality at best
    WIL – I don’t see Kendricks earning this deal right now, let alone being worth keeping until the end of it
    SAM – Bradham is a good temp player, but he’s too short for what I want at SAM (think Carlos Emmons)

    Some extra 2s, 3s, and 4s would greatly aid the process of adding that talent.

  130. 130 Mac said at 4:53 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t know that we need to spend a high pick on a center, but if we do I hope it’s Max Tuerk (who would probably start at LG this year). I wish the team had addressed OT in FA (as noted elsewhere) but maybe they plan to do that next year?

    I really believe they can find a diamond in the rough at RB, and I’m not overly concerned about the LB position.

    I’m thinking the team may be more in love with the young CBs like Rice and Shepherd than we as fans are aware.

    I think I’m defining “Hole” differently than other people. I see a hole as an obviously sub-optimal player penciled in as starter. So, it’s pretty much OG and maybe one CB. But I agree wholeheartedly that upgrading other areas and adding depth are necessary. I just happen to think it was “ok” to take a shot at trading up for Wentz with the timing that the team used.

  131. 131 Media Mike said at 5:26 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yeah, I think some of us are seeing a few positions for their warts even though they’re not putrid. I’m also trying to project another year or two down the line.

  132. 132 ACViking said at 11:34 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Re: Is Conventional Wisdom Wrong About Trade Ups?

    Since the Rams and now the Eagles have moved to the top of the draft, commenters on this blog — and folks in the media, of course — have argued against those deals because, “They never work.” [Less-heated folks say “rarely.”]

    The actual trades themselves show a different story, until very recently.

    Since 1967, when the common draft began, there have been 15 trades involving only draft picks to acquire one of the Top-3 choices.

    The teams trading up acquired: 3 HOFers (to date), 6 All Pros, 1 Pro Bowler.

    The misses are pretty ugly, though. And from 2001 to 2011, no trades occurred.

    Here’s all the *picks-only* trades involving the Top 3 picks . . . there’s no question different era are involved, and the prices paid by the Rams and Eagles are substantial.

    Dallas goes from 14th to 2nd
    Price: 1st (14th overall) + 3 x 2nds
    Choice: HOF RB Tony Dorsett

    Jets go from 13th to 2nd
    Price: 2 x 1st (13th, 20th)
    Choice: WR Johnny “Lam” Jones

    Rams go from 3rd to 2nd
    Price: 1st, 2nd, 4th
    Choice: HOF RB Eric Dickerson

    Seattle goes from 9th to 3rd
    Price: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
    Choice: RB Curt Warner (4 x All Pro, 3 x PB)

    1984 (USFL signees missing)
    Pats go from 16th to 1st
    Price: 2 x 1st (16th, 28th), 10th, 5th in ‘85
    Choice: WR Irving Fryar (2 x All Pro, 5 x PB)

    Falcons go from 4th to 2nd
    Price: 1st + 3rd
    Choice: OT Bill Fralic (2 x All Pro, 4 x PB)

    Oilers go from 8th to 3rd
    Price: 1st + 2nd
    Choice: RB Alonzo Highsmith

    Chiefs go from 3rd to 2nd
    Price: 1st + 2nd (29th in Rd 2)
    Choice: DE Neil Smith (1 x All Pro, 6 x PB)

    Bengals go from 5th to 1st
    Price: 1st + 2nd
    Choice: RB Ki-Jana Carter

    Rams go from 6th to 1st
    Price: 1st, 3rd, 4th, 7th
    Choice: HOF OT Orlando Pace

    Seattle goes from 11th to 3rd
    Price: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (gets a 3rd back)
    Choice: CB Shawn Springs (1 x All Pro, 1 x PB)

    Washington goes from 12th to 3rd
    Price: 2 x 1st (12th, 24th)
    Choice: OT Chris Samuels (1 x All Pro, 6 x PB)

    Washington goes from 6th to 2nd — AUCTION
    Price: 3 x 1st + 2nd
    Choice: QB Robt Griffin III (1 x Pro Bowl)

    Browns go from 4th to 3rd
    Price: 4th, 5th, 7th
    Choice: RB Trent Richardson

    Miami goes from 12th to 3rd
    Price: 1st, 2nd
    Choice: OLB Dion Jordan

  133. 133 Bert's Bells said at 11:55 AM on April 22nd, 2016:

    DEon Jprdan BBABY!

  134. 134 Mac said at 12:03 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Really is sad that the kid couldn’t overcome his demons to become a good football player.

  135. 135 Jernst said at 12:03 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The mark up for QBs is astounding. Miami can go from 12th to 3rd for the cost of a 2nd round pick. We go from 8th to 2nd for the cost of a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Essentially an entire draft to move 6 slots, compared to a single second round pick to move 9, just three years early, simply because the target wasn’t a top rated QB.

  136. 136 RC5000 said at 12:13 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    No it wasn’t simply because the target wasn’t a top rated QB. It was also well under value because it was a weak draft. It was also a current year 2nd while we’re giving up next year’s 1st to make up for our lack of 2nd rounder. And we’re probably not viewed as an optimal choice for our picks being high especially in this division.

  137. 137 Fufina said at 2:35 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Proves that draft pick value charts are meaningless, it is all about what teams are willing to pay and what teams are willing to accept that sets the market.

  138. 138 Media Mike said at 4:41 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    We overpaid the Browns by one 2nd rounder. I don’t think we paid a QB markup at all.

  139. 139 Mac said at 12:14 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Of the fails… (after some googling) We have 2 knee injury RBs, a RB with knee and various other issues, a WR who couldn’t catch footballs, a drug addict, and a knee injury QB who looks to be more “athlete” and less “football player.”

    So, 3 unexpected tragedies, 1 major reach, and 2 players with great potential that just signed contracts based on the hope that they can play football more-so than what they’ve actually done.

  140. 140 ACViking said at 12:18 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The RBs — Carter and Highsmith — great college players. ‘specially Carter. Killer injuries.

  141. 141 Mac said at 12:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    And I love the “Lam” nickname.

  142. 142 Gary Barnes said at 2:15 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I agree RGIII was never a great QB. Great athlete? Sure, but he proved he cannot run the offense from the pocket, struggled with making reads, is inaccurate, does not do well against pressure. He is a modern day Vick. So glad that scuttled the Redskins for several years, unfortunately they had a backup plan in Cousins and shifted gears pretty quickly.

    15 years since the last good selection (Samuels) and 18 since the last home run (Pace).

    I wonder if the ability of teams like the Pats (Brady), Packers (Rogers), Seahawks (Wilson), Saints (Brees), Cowboys (Romo) etc. to get QB via non-traditional channels or later in the 1st rd or later in the draft overall has made more teams suspect of taking these huge trade the farm risks. I get a queazy feeling my Eagles seem to be behind the curve.

  143. 143 anon said at 2:26 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    desperate times = desperate measures. even cousins was like a third or fourth round pick.

  144. 144 b3nz0z said at 1:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Curt Warner the RB. that tickles me

  145. 145 Media Mike said at 4:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Better player, MUCH better college.

  146. 146 Gary Barnes said at 2:02 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Rams have done pretty well in these scenarios: Dickerson and Pace, 2 HOF players. Goff? I think this will be where that streak ends.

  147. 147 Jernst said at 12:05 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Really excellent film breakdown with gifs of Carson Wentz by a Rams blogger. Highlights a lot of the issues I have with him given the cost we shelled out to obtain the #2 overall pick.

  148. 148 anon said at 12:34 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    no sense crying over this spilled milk.

  149. 149 Jernst said at 1:14 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I will cry all I want…until he’s a star QB and then I’ll act like I had been onboard the entire time!

    Might as well start getting to know our new franchise QB. I’m not trying to be too pessimistic. Wentz certainly has a lot to really like. All the physical traits in the world. Seemingly the optimal personality and intelligence traits you look for in a leader and QB. The occasional ability to flash elite passing skills even though he hasn’t received much coaching in the way of mechanics or playing time/experience. He could definitely end up being our Ben Roethlisberger (but without the rapiness, of course).

    Just hoping that these new leaks about the Rams actually liking Wentz are true. I think people often overestimate how much people can learn, change, grow, improve, ect. And, some things are a lot easier to learn than others. How to call plays in a huddle, how to take a snap from center and the footwork needed to execute a play fake while turning your back to the coverage, how to read coverages better and set protections…these are skills that I think can be taught and learned. How to throw a football differently, developing mechanics, footwork, pocket presence, feel, touch, how to think quicker…these are more traits that people have or they don’t. Sure you can improve some, but I don’t think drastically so. I can play the guitar, you’ll never be able to teach me how to be Jimi Hendrix. He had whatever it is, and I don’t.

    Sticking with the music analogy, I see Goff’s issues that he needs to learn like teaching a musician that’s already proficient at playing an instrument a new song. And, Wentz is like looking at someone who has really fast, long, dexterous fingers and thinking I could teach that guy to play the piano really well.

  150. 150 anon said at 1:16 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    i don’t like hte move up for wentz. it’s too much to pay for a guy that needs that much projection / it’s not like we’ll never be in the 15 range again. but whatever hopefully he’s not rgiii.
    that said we suck at drafting so maybe it’s better to pick top 5.

  151. 151 Jernst said at 1:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    There’s also this false narrative out there that you need to be in the top of the draft to get a franchise QB. Of all the QBs over the last 20 years that were drafted in the top 3, only the two Mannings have ever won a Super Bowl.

    Sure it improves your odds of finding a franchise guy the earlier you take him, but if we’re gonna start discussing odds, you don’t trade away so many picks for one guy, when any projection of statistical probability shows you’ll more likely than not end up on the losing end of that trade when it comes to overall value.

  152. 152 anon said at 2:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    seems like something bad teams do.

  153. 153 peteike said at 2:22 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Better off looking at who in the top of the first succeeded vs limiting that to the top 3

  154. 154 ChoTime said at 3:50 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    maybe, but let’s not conflate winning a Superbowl with franchise QB. Two separate and only partly-related things.

  155. 155 Fufina said at 3:59 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    SB’s is a tough metric to use. Since 2001 Brady and the Manning family have taken over 8 of the 15 SB wins… that does not leave much space for other QB’s to win one.

    Add in Roethlesberger and you have 10 of 15… That does not leave much ‘meat’ on the bone for other teams….

  156. 156 Jernst said at 4:16 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Very true.

  157. 157 Jernst said at 12:18 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    And, here’s his breakdown of Goff. Check out the pocket presence he displays on the majority of these clips. See how smoothly he climbs the pocket, staying calm and keeping his feet under him, never taking his eyes off the coverage and his shoulders pointed downfield with the ball ready to be launched as soon as he identifies an open target. Take note of how he routinely goes through his progressions quickly and decisively, how he manipulates people with his eyes to create space just before he throws the ball, and how his mechanics lead to a smooth, quick release and consistent accuracy. Notice the tight spirals that are easier to catch for his receivers.
    Now tell me which of these two QBs looks like an NFL QB that knows how to play the position. I think there’s no question. Goff is light years ahead of Wentz. That’s not to say that Wentz can’t learn how to have better pocket presence, how to climb the pocket smoothly, clean up his mechanical issues, manipulate defenders with his eyes, throw a tighter spiral and improve his accuracy issues. But, the fact remains that all of that is a projection, whereas Goff already seems to have a good grasp on these skills already.
    Wentz has the personality traits and intelligence of someone that you can feel comfortable in projecting them to learn all these traits, but there’s a ton of work to do with Wentz before he’s ever ready to touch the field as an NFL QB. And, I mean a TON! He’s got all the physical traits and he’s got the mental make-up to succeed, but he is not yet a quarterback. He’s a big kid, who’s a 24 year old man playing against 19 and 20 year olds in the FSC who has been successful using those insane physical traits and intelligence to pick on weaker opponents. At the NFL level he will be ate up and spit out if he isn’t able to perfect the technical and mechanical skills required at this level.

  158. 158 Insomniac said at 12:39 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Wentz is just a smokescreen for Ramsey!! Who am I kidding.

  159. 159 Jernst said at 1:04 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’m not sure if I’d be happy or not if they stunned everyone (probably even themselves) and took Ramsey. I don’t like that we traded up and gave up a good amount of resources for Wentz (obviously) and I love Ramsey. But, I don’t know if I can think of anything more absurd than using 2 firsts, a 2nd, a 3rd and the first pick in the 4th round on a single player who DOESN’T play QB.

  160. 160 Dave said at 12:45 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    He turned 23 at the end of the season during December, not sure where you got the 24 from.

  161. 161 Insomniac said at 12:47 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    because he’s 24 this year..?

  162. 162 RC5000 said at 12:49 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    In 8 months.

  163. 163 Insomniac said at 12:53 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Which is still this year. If things go well he’ll be starting at the age of 24.

  164. 164 RC5000 said at 12:59 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yep December 30th, he will be 24. He doesn’t have a lot of tread on his tires.

  165. 165 anon said at 1:05 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    is that “well” that’d be worst case for me.

  166. 166 peteike said at 1:20 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    who cares, the important part will be whether he is good or not. Either way the age wont factor in unless hes on some Sam Bradford trajectory with injuries impeding the progress. Otherwise hes bad by 27 and it wont matter because he stinks. Or hes good and has a decade ahead of him.

  167. 167 Insomniac said at 1:55 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The question was where did people get the age of 24 for Wentz from.

  168. 168 Jernst said at 1:01 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    My mistake…I must have read somewhere that he was turning 24 this year and stored it in my mind as he is a 24 year old. But, you are correct he played in college as a 21-22 year old not a 24 year old.

    Still I’m slightly concerned with the amount he needs to learn, knowing that it could take 2 full years to develop him into a functional NFL QB, which means he will be turning 26 years old by the time he’s ready to start. Certainly, not a reason not to draft the guy, since he could still give you over a decade of QB play after that. But, it definitely cuts in to his most productive years of physical prime. If he sits for 2 years, starting in year 3 where he’ll go from 26-27 years old and takes two years as a starter to reach his comfort level as a developed starter, he’s 28-29 years old. Not every QB plays deep into their 30s. McNabb fell off a cliff around 31-32 years of age.

  169. 169 Dave said at 1:22 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Aaron Rodgers played 1 year at Juco, then 2 years at Cal. He sat for three years until he was 25.

    Tony Romo, also FCS (Div 1-AA) went undrafted, sat for three years until starting 10 games during his 4th season at age 26.

    McNabb falling off a cliff seems to be much more about Donny not being coachable at the later part of his career.

    Unless Sam leads the team to the playoffs this year, he’ll most likely be traded or released next offseason. If Sam plays well this year and goes into 2017 as the starter, we will either we will find out that Sam is the franchise QB we have been looking for, or Sam will not be resigned and the reigns will be turned over to Wentz in 2018.

  170. 170 Jernst said at 1:24 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    All fair points. I agree. Like I said…the least of my concerns with the pick is Wentz’s age. It’s certainly not a positive, but no reason NOT to draft the kid.

  171. 171 Dave said at 1:34 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    It seems that QBs taken high in the draft typically fail because of one or more of the following reasons:

    1.) Injury
    2.) Playing behind a bad offensive line
    3.) Poor coaching staff
    3.) Lack of desire/maturity/intelligence to be coached/learn/study film, etc.

    #1 is a complete unknown. Although he broke his wrist, he doesn’t seem prone to injury and isn’t considered as running QB.

    #2 should be OK (compared to what someone like David Carr or Joey Harrington had to go through).

    #3 is obviously is an unknown, but seems to be OK based on pedigree.

    #4 seems to be OK as no red flags were brought up (unlike Leaf, JaMarcus, Vick, etc.)

  172. 172 peteike said at 1:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Whats kind of funny about that is a lot of us agree this team is probably around.500 yet at the same time expect to see Bradford possibly show that potential. Those 2 things almost dont coincide. Suppose it could play out both ways but I doubt it. The wins are what matter.

  173. 173 eagleyankfan said at 1:44 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    in the scenario where Sam does well for 2 straight years — someone would have to get fired because of player evaluation. Either they have no clue on Bradford – or they have on clue on Wentz. Can’t sign Bradford beyond 2 years because you just drafted the number 2 pick to be your franchise QB. He can’t sit the bench until he’s 27-28 years old. Eagles aren’t spending all these resources to re-sign Bradford. We getting ahead of ourselves in expecting this team to play so well that the new QB won’t be playing. HR/Pederson/Lurie all the scouts etc etc are betting Bradford does not do that well….

  174. 174 Dave said at 2:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I disagree. If Bradford plays well, suffers no injuries, and leads up deep into the playoffs or to the Superbowl, Wentz will most-likely be traded and Bradford will be resigned. Although the likelihood of that happening is not very good, it would be a great situation to be in.

    If Brees didn’t get injured and instead led the Chargers to the Superbowl, I imagine Rivers would have been traded too.

  175. 175 eagleyankfan said at 2:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    that’s part of my issue and I know it’s a long shot — but that would mean, they’ve grossly underrated Bradford and wasted a number 2 pick…

  176. 176 Dave said at 3:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’m a Bradford fan, but I can see it from the front office perspective that at what point in time do you rate a player based on his actual track record, not his potential. Potential is the key word here.

    Bradford got paid $18M per year because the front office knows his has the potential to succeed, the drafting of Wentz probably has more to do with circumstance than Bradford. If we went 9-7 and were drafting in the 20s, we wouldn’t/couldn’t have traded up to #2.

    With that being said, it would not shock me to see Bradford have a very good year and lead the team to the playoffs. Stranger things have happened, like Eli winning 2 Superbowls.

  177. 177 Jernst said at 5:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Underrated/were reasonably unsure of, but smart enough to keep him around as the starter just in case. That’s got to count for something. Hard to see how someone get’s fired for finding a franchise QB, regardless of how it came about.

  178. 178 RC5000 said at 12:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Wentz has more room to grow and he’s already shown his talent and that he’s a good QB. Goff has to prove he can take snaps under center. I don’t think it’s going to be a problem in time but let’s not act like he has nothing to work on. Goff also threw off his back foot and had poor mechanics and didn’t climb the pocket. . So Wentz should improve like Goff has. Goff still throws with all arm some.

    Wentz has already improved his mechanics to an extent. Matt Barkley , Mark Sanchez, Nick Foles all faced PAC-12 competition.

    McNabb had a TON to work on when he came out of Syracuse.

  179. 179 the DONALD said at 12:50 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    is it back to Wentz today? yesterday they were drafting goff right?

  180. 180 RC5000 said at 12:54 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Are you referring to my sarcastic joke post I took from TATE?

  181. 181 the DONALD said at 1:00 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    from yesterday? i donno you had lots of long posts yesterday that seemed to imply us getting goff bc LA media source said that wentz was their guy.. sarcasm doesnt read well sometimes i guess..

  182. 182 Jernst said at 1:17 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yea what’s happening with that? I haven’t seen anything substantial anywhere else but that post.

  183. 183 Jernst said at 1:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    He also has a lot more he needs to grow at. Projecting him as having a higher ceiling has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that there’s any evidence on tape of him doing something that Goff can’t do. It’s simply looking at his measurable and saying, well, physically he’s certainly got a lot more going for him so if he ever develops all these skills the more physically imposing guy will be better.

    If you look solely at his absolute best passes and solely at Goffs best passes…which are better. I’d still say Goff’s by a significant margin. Plus Goff has less room to grow because he’s already good at so many things that Wentz simply isn’t. Less projection that he’ll learn these traits because he already has them = more likely he succeeds.

  184. 184 Insomniac said at 12:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I was combing through scouting reports on recent QBs to actually find a better comparison for Wentz. I haven’t been too deep into it yet but so far I have Blaine Gabbert that’s the best fit.

    Gabbert’s scouting report

    STRENGTHS Gabbert has prototypical size and excellent speed for the position. Shows the ability to make the right pre-snap reads. Possesses a quick release and has the arm strength to make all the throws. Well-balanced passer that rarely misses on short-to-intermediate throws. Extremely mobile to extend plays and fast enough to move the chains. Vocal leader and hard worker.

    WEAKNESSES Trusts his arm too much and puts the ball in harm’s way too often. Does not show good touch on passes over the middle and needs to learn to take a little velocity off certain throws. Struggles to throw an accurate deep ball. Late feeling pressure at times which neutralizes his very good mobility. Will need to learn a pro style offense.

  185. 185 peteike said at 1:22 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    which sounds similar to Flacco with less mobility

  186. 186 peteike said at 1:25 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I dunno, Wentz had time under center and reading defenses and setting alignments. That alone could be crucial in growth esp if Doug lets his QB make calls at the line. Mental vs physical there, pick your choice. Agree on Goff, he has great footwork and release, gotta like that.

  187. 187 Insomniac said at 1:28 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Wentz is fine pre-snap. He’s just not very good after the ball is snapped.

  188. 188 ChoTime said at 2:07 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Is that the case? I think book intelligence is overrated in QBs. It’s the other mental aspect, the ability to diagnose the situation in a flash and then act, almost in the same instant, that interests me. I’ve made the comparison to a point guard. You can take a minute on a question, if you need, on an IQ test, but you get two seconds in the NFL.

  189. 189 Insomniac said at 2:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    It’s exactly like you said. Wentz has slow reactions. Wentz isn’t the guy who is going to get the ball out quickly. He’s going to hold onto the ball and try to extend plays if it breaks down.

  190. 190 Jernst said at 2:40 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    This is what I saw as well. He’s very cerebral and methodical in his approach pre-snap and really understands what the defense is showing him and where the play is intended to go based on that. But, he’s also very slow to move off of whatever he decided pre-snap. I watched some small samples from complete games of his and there were times I caught myself leaning towards the screen in anticipation, like, come on man…move off the first read. He seems to pause on his first read to see if that guy will eventually break free, double clutching and then often throwing off balance once he decides to go through with the throw.

    Then you turn on Goff’s tape, and he’s not the greatest QB to come out in the last ten years or anything, but the difference is stark. He sets his drop and is hopping his feet and pointing his shoulders at his 1st, second, third reads in rapid succession and immediately firing the moment he finds the guy that’s open. That to me looks like the things I see the best QBs in the league do.

  191. 191 ChoTime said at 5:25 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I was hoping you guys would give me a reason to believe. When do slow-brained QBs get faster once they get to the NFL? I just don’t get it… when are FOs going to get over the body-type thing?

  192. 192 Jernst said at 5:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    That’s my point. When people talk about his potential and how he’ll learn these things once he gets to the pros I wonder how they expect that to happen. How’s he gonna get fast enough at making his reads and going through his progressions, when he was slow for the FSC in those areas. Add the other issues he needs to correct and overcome and it’s an uphill battle if we’re being generous.

  193. 193 ChoTime said at 7:53 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The guy’s a project.

  194. 194 Jernst said at 1:30 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    This is just my opinion, but if you have good footwork and athleticism already I think it’s relatively easy to teach that person to take a snap from center and execute the proper mechanics of a drop back. If you already have a good understanding of football, teaching scheme and how to read defenses shouldn’t be that difficult. Goff is plenty intelligent.

    However, teaching someone different mechanics, throwing motions, footwork, pocket presence, the ability to climb the pocket which goes against every natural instinct, touch, anticipation, being able to feel the rush, accuracy…these are things that are much harder to teach.

  195. 195 peteike said at 1:45 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “If you already have a good understanding of football, teaching scheme and how to read defenses shouldn’t be that difficult.”

    Disagree completely there, I think thats a huge part of success at the next level. Agree that it is hard to teach different mechanics and some of the athleticism being second nature is key though.

  196. 196 Jernst said at 2:01 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Oh, it’s probably one of if not the biggest part of success at the next level. But, those who fail to learn are either too dimwitted to learn much of anything (it’s hard to teach a cerebral skill like that to someone with a wonderlic score of 7), too lazy/don’t put in the time (Vick readily admitted he never even watched film as a Falcon), too full of themselves to accept teaching and think that it applies to them (see RG3 and to a lesser extend late career McNabb), never taught how to do such things by their coach (see Buddy Ryan and Randall Cunningham) or too scared and overwhelmed to calmly process the information pre-snap and then to stand in the pocket and go through their progressions with 300 pound men barring down on them (please see Nick Foles the moment he sees a shadow out of the corner of his eye during his drop back).

    Goff scored a 36 on his wonderlic (just below genius level if you believe in the test), he seems to have a very good work-ethic from what I read, and has the right personality to accept coaching, he’s got coaches that know how to teach the skill well, and he’s demonstrated an incredibly calm, smooth ability to read defenses post snap while going through his progressions. The only thing he hasn’t done is learn how to read defenses pre-snap. For someone with a wonderlic score of 36, he should be able to learn how to identify blitzes, and coverages pre-snap if he puts the time in.

    Doesn’t mean he will learn it or ever become good at it. But, if you told me I had to teach a bright, motivated kid with a wonderlic score of 36 how to make pre-snap reads or I had to teach a giant guy with good arm and good athleticism who was a mess mechanically how to set his feet properly, and throw the ball properly to improve his erratic accuracy. And, also teach him how to throw the ball with touch. And, also teach him how to throw with anticipation. And, how to process post-snap progressions quicker. And, how to maneuver subtly in the pocket, feel the rush and show good pocket presence. And, do all of this while he’s adjusting to the insane increase in speed from FSC to NFL level defenders…I’d say, please give me the guy that needs to learn how to diagnose a zone blitz with a cover 3 shell over it pre-snap, instead of the other project.

  197. 197 peteike said at 2:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    well I think there is a difference between just not being smart enough or unwilling in your examples vs being good at it. That is the key difference more than willingness and intelligence. Then all the other intangibles. Which is why you can have so many mid level QBs who cant take that extra step up which of course coincides with the overall team and coaching level. Also think you are dramatically bashing Wentzs (?) weaknesses.

  198. 198 Jernst said at 2:34 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    You are completely correct when it comes to the difference between being able to do it and being good at all the mental processing that goes into being an elite QB. Well put.

    You’re most likely very accurate in what you said about me bashing Wentz’s (?sure) weaknesses. I’d have to assume that all these high level evaluators who do this for a living know a whole lot more than I do after a few youtube videos and gif breakdowns (because let’s be honest…not a single one of us watched even a few minutes of any NDSU football game over the past two years). So, hopefully, I’ll be proven very wrong in my feelings and will be thrilled to be wrong. I just don’t see what all the hypes about. In all his highlights I can find, there’s only maybe two or three throws were you go, “ah…that looks like an elite level throw!”

    And, every single one of them are plays where he took the snap and immediately fired a great pass to his (I can’t even say first, because it’s clear he knew where he was going from before the snap) only read on the play. Awful lot being projected from a handful of strong throws against CBs running 4.8 40’s and some really impressive measurables. Other than that, I could care less about the multiple highlights of him running off tackle on a designed QB run.

  199. 199 peteike said at 3:16 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    cant be Wentz’ can it lol. Ya and a lot of what I see is only the good stuff on Wentz. I mean keep em coming though, as I said above I enjoy reading the pros and cons even if the cons are against the guy I prefer. I actually was sold on Goff more prior and the jump up trade didnt change my mind it was just checking them both out more. I worry about Goffs frame yet Wentz has injury history but that could just be bad luck. Then Goffs record and system he played in. We shall see, maybe they fall ass backwards into the right pick. Ill root for either one, Im really just happy they made the move to get a QB

  200. 200 Jernst said at 5:49 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yea…you like to see college QBs win. But, Goff’s surrounding cast was atrocious, particularly his Oline. And, he still brought that program back to a level of respectability while being very overmatched.

    I don’t know the answer to this question, but what is more impressive winning in the FSC on a stacked team (compared to the competition) that had won 3 championships prior to you starting and then kept winning when you started and then kept winning even more while you sat out 8 games with an injury (while starting an 18 year old true freshman)? Or what Goff did?

  201. 201 Jernst said at 2:25 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Just so I’m clear. It’s not that I’m discounting the importance of the things that Goff needs to learn. They’re incredibly important and if he doesn’t learn them he fail miserably. And, it’s not so much that it’s easy to learn those things, it’s not. But, I think it’s damn near impossible to learn some of the things that Wentz needs to learn.

    If we could find one scouting report from the last 30 years that says a QB had a lot of mechanical issues and accuracy issues and issues going through their progressions and throwing with proper touch, timing and anticipation, and that QB ended up turning into a solid pro, I’d be shocked.

  202. 202 he's_back_scrambling said at 1:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t really have a favorite and I’m going to root for whomever the Eagles choose. My big question is did Goff already reach near his ceiling? He also played in a very simplistic spread offense and was rarely under center which is a valid concern. I think they both have a ton of work ahead and we could say that about any rookie qb prospect.

  203. 203 Jernst said at 2:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Depends what you mean by ceiling. He’s not going to get much stronger or bigger or taller or faster. But, no one that’s 22 years old or however old he is, is going to do that. But, once you reach certain thresholds, the difference is negligible. What’s the real difference between being 6’4″ or being 6’5″ or even 6’8″. The difference between 5’11” and 6’3″…huge. The other not so much. Same with his weight. 205 or 210-215 or 235. Meh. 175-195 vs 205, much bigger concern.

    But, conversely, no one that’s 22 years old is going to not get better at skills they practice every day. He’s going to get better at pre-snap reads and post-snap reading defenses. He’s going to get better at processing information and picking the right target. But, he probably isn’t going to get all that much better at throwing the ball. And, neither is Wentz. The only difference is that Goff throws a nice ball the majority of the time while playing behind a shit Oline on a team that’s overmatched, who he elevated the level of play for. Wentz is much more hit or miss, 50-50 with his throws and even his best throws are wobbly and imperfect and he was playing for a team that had won 3 straight FSC championships before he went there and were so much better than the competition that they won 8 straight games his season year while he was injured and an 18 year old true freshman took his spot. They were 4-2 before he went down.

  204. 204 Gian GEAGLE said at 12:49 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    How will Eagles fans be represented on draft night when it comes to this pick? I see so much varying opinions that hard to get a feel for if This is going to be a booooing of Donovan part two, or if Eagle fans will seem thrilled about this on draft night?
    I kind of want to see the Fans go nuts and give him a roaring welcome to Philly, just because you know it will drive Donovan nuts after never getting over a few fans at the draft that booed him even after years of this city showing him love… Of course I also think it’s classless to screw with a kids draft night and boo him since it’s not like booing will change who we drafted, regardless of your Predraft opinion of a kid, once he is an eagle, nothing to do but support the kid and hope that he ends up being a quality player.
    The truth is probably that the FANBASE will be split about this on draft night, but one way or another we will be represented as booing the pick or fans loving the pick, so hopefully the fans representing us on draft night give whoever we draft a warm welcome. You know all they are going to talk about on the broadcast is how the last time we took a QB at #2 the fans heavily booed him. If you are sitting behind your TV and you hate the pick, feel free to throw your TVs… But I hope fans at the draft at least pretend to like it and DONT give them the satisfaction of us booing another #2 pick to hold over our heads for the next 15 years…
    It’s bad enough Flyers fans just gave the national media fuel to rip us. Id rather not see Eagles fans add to it

  205. 205 Greg Richards said at 12:55 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I prefer Wentz. But since everyone thinks the Rams are taking Goff, I almost want them to take Wentz and the Eagles take Goff just to make draft night more interesting.

  206. 206 P_P_K said at 1:56 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    You, sir, have a wicked streak to you. My kind of man.

  207. 207 MattE said at 2:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    i too am an anarchy guy lol

  208. 208 MattE said at 2:12 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    actually i hope Clinton/Cruz win nomination and then Trump funds himself in the general and also foots the bill to have Bernie on the ticket too hahaha now that would make every “poltical expert” look like the morons they are. ANARCHY!!!!

    -Tyler Durden-

  209. 209 EaglesGameBalls said at 12:59 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Shut the fuckkk uppppppppp

  210. 210 peteike said at 1:18 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    if I had to put odds on it, the boos would be a heavy 5-1 favorite lol

  211. 211 NinjaP said at 1:26 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Luckily the draft is in chicago so I doubt there will be a ton of eagles fans there.

  212. 212 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:22 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I won’t be surprised if there is a nice showing…

  213. 213 Patrick said at 2:35 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I hope the QB we pick will get boo’ed. Worked wonders the last time an Eagles QB picked at no. 2 got boo’ed.

  214. 214 Media Mike said at 4:43 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Just not by our own fans I hope.

  215. 215 Insomniac said at 1:01 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Realistically, we might only have one or two guys that will be on the roster from this year’s draft. That’s going to suck since we need depth at every position.

  216. 216 eagleyankfan said at 1:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Well — 1st pick 100% be there — you saying there are bad odds that all 6 remaining picks won’t make the roster? Even I’m a more optimistic than that…I’m willing to take that bet that more than 2 will be on the roster …

  217. 217 Insomniac said at 1:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The 53 man roster? I would be more terrified of how poorly we drafted lately to have 5-7th rounders beating out more experienced guys.

  218. 218 eagleyankfan said at 1:37 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    there’s reason to suspect even the 3rd rounder won’t make the team … but late picks are 1 of 2 — projects or special teams. Easily more than 2 break camp on the 53…

  219. 219 Insomniac said at 1:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I wouldn’t say easily, but the odds are against the day 3 guys. Battling against more experienced project guys/STers usually aren’t in their favor if they’re similar in talent. The 3rd round pick should be a lock unless he really is that bad.

  220. 220 A_T_G said at 1:07 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Sorry if this has already been covered. Scanning, I don’t see it but I have been out of touch today.

  221. 221 ICDogg said at 1:38 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Super Bowl

  222. 222 EaglesGameBalls said at 1:38 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Pre-Preseason super bowl champions!!!

  223. 223 P_P_K said at 1:55 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Two years in a row.

  224. 224 EaglesGameBalls said at 2:19 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Who’s the funniest and smartest on this board? Tommy you say? Bullshit! It’s me! That’s who!

  225. 225 Lord of the Rings said at 2:25 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    that time you didn’t know the rams moved to LA was really funny too.
    and your spelling and grammar are as funny as it gets

  226. 226 EaglesGameBalls said at 2:34 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I was joking you dumb fuck

  227. 227 Lord of the Rings said at 2:39 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I know I said it was hilarious.
    you’re a regular Louie Anderson

  228. 228 MattE said at 2:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    at least his grammar is getting better.

  229. 229 RC5000 said at 2:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    QB Wonderlic Scores , scout comments via Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel. He does this every year. I ordered it by Wonderlic score not his rankings:

    Wentz 40 “Prototypical,” one scout said. “I see everything. Arm strength. Accuracy. Toughness. Athletic ability. Smart. Great kid.” “He’s a genius, Wentz is,” said another scout with knowledge of Wentz’s 40 on the Wonderlic. “He could be really good. He’s the best runner, he’s the best athlete. He is off the charts.”
    “He gets away with things in that league (Missouri Valley) that he wouldn’t get away with in the SEC,” a third scout said. “He tries to throw in tight windows. Even in the (FCS) title game he threw two picks. The guy he reminds me of is (Blake) Bortles. Everybody was so excited about Bortles because of the height and the athletic ability, and this guy has the same thing. At least Bortles played against big-time competition. At this point I just don’t see where he’s that accurate of a passer.” Compared by that same scout to Ben Roethlisberger. “He’s big, athletic and has a freaking cannon,” a fourth scout said. “Level of competition is the only thing. I’d sit him for a year and a half, two years. Then I got a real starter. He’ll be shoved into the fire too quickly and it may crush him.”
    Hogan 38 “He’s more ready than Brissett is,” one scout said. “He is accurate. He does pretty much everything well. He has a funny release. Doesn’t Philip Rivers have a funny release?”
    “That (delivery) doesn’t bother me,” said a second scout. “Sonny Jurgensen had a really weird release. Throws it like Philip Rivers. He’s cerebral, smooth.”
    He’s your old-time pro QB,” said a third scout. “Takes most of his snaps under center. He’s good but not anything special.”
    Goff 34 “Extremely accurate,” one scout said. “Amazing feet and pocket presence. Very similar to (Tom) Brady that way. Can make all the throws. But he has such a slight build. He needs to get stronger. And having played in that spread system he will need to take snaps under center and make adjustments.”
    “He was surrounded by nothing,” another scout said. “His best running back had a hip and was hurt all year, the receiver has all kind of talent and he’s a nut job. The rest of them are pedestrian. He might be the most ready but I’d be nervous taking him before 10. Thing I don’t like is his slender build.”
    “I just don’t see him having that winner quality about him,” a third scout said. “His arm isn’t great. They do a lot of that dink and dunk offense, a lot of that false production. He gets rattled by pressure. Everything has kind of got to be under control for him. He couldn’t win there and you want him to be the face of your franchise?”
    Driskel 29 “You’ve just got to get over the fact he was a transfer from Florida. He’s a little bit of a different kid but you want to talk about talent after the (top) three, he’s the next guy. He’s more talented than Cook.”
    Cook 25 “Let’s put it this way: he’s not Kirk Cousins,” another scout said. “The person kills him. Selfish. He goes out too much. It’s a tell-tale sign when your teammates don’t like you, and I know they don’t. He’s good, but that position is more than physical attributes. It’s also leadership. Is he going to lead your guys? I don’t think so. He’ll be a starter but I don’t think he can lead you to the promised land.”
    Prescott 25 “I just don’t see the vision downfield. He’s a very streaky thrower. There will be a place for him in the league. I’d take him over Tim Tebow hands down.”
    Jones 25 “Kind of reminds me of a poor man’s JaMarcus Russell,” said another scout. “At least JaMarcus had some touch. This guy just throws the ball. His mechanics are all over the place.” Added a third scout: “Strong arm. Big, big body. Not the brightest cookie in the world. I worry about him when he gets money in his pocket. I just don’t know if it’s all there mentally.”
    Hackenberg 24 “He hangs out more with managers than he does teammates. It tells me he likes to be king of the little people rather than king of the big people.”
    Brissett 24 “He has a chance to be a starter,” said one scout. “I think he’s better than Teddy Bridgewater. He’s bigger, got a better arm and better pocket presence, and is a great kid. Compared by another scout to Daunte Culpepper.”
    Lynch 18 “a little spacy” ,”You might hit the home run with Lynch but because of the mental you might strike out,” a third scout said. “He has the best arm. It ain’t even close. That big, tall son of a gun can run, too. He’s a little spacy, a little different.” Added a fourth scout: “The overall maturity level and disposition, I’d be a bit concerned. Big kid, strong arm. But he’s a ways away mentally.”

    Article in entirety please check it out:

  230. 230 Insomniac said at 2:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Nice read but this is the first time I’ve heard someone say that Brissett is better than Teddy B.

  231. 231 Media Mike said at 4:44 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    And the last.

  232. 232 unhinged said at 2:56 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Good stuff. The Driskel write-up is the first I’ve seen that positive. He broke his leg at UF, and apparently his development was skewed. Zierlein compares him to Drew Stanton, who was looking useful under Arians.

  233. 233 peteike said at 3:00 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    ya like this stuff thanks. Even if its bad things about either guy you like I enjoy reading it. Some of the Goff negatives I hadnt read, kinda harsh.

    Goffs best RB had a hip, can you believe that. I thought you needed 2 to run.

  234. 234 BobSmith77 said at 2:41 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Trying to compete this year with a team that is likely to win 7-8 games makes little sense to me for several reasons especially to hold on to Bradford for what is a single year.

    The more pressing issue with Bradford is the difficulty in moving him due to his contract and exactly what kind of trade value he has. Get the impression the rest of the league largely views Bradford as a bottom tier (bottom 1/3) QB who is a huge injury risk & lacks much mobility. He would be a poor fit in Denver given their system and I can’t see the Jets given up that much for Bradford. Certainly not a 1st round pick.

  235. 235 anon said at 2:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    easy to move next year, he just needs to have a good year and he can write his own ticket.

  236. 236 BobSmith77 said at 2:43 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Not sure if that is the case though especially with minimal upgrades offensively (and no skill player upgrades) along with his salary cap number next year.

  237. 237 Fufina said at 2:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Bradfords contract if it was traded today would cost his new team $7mil in 2016 and $17mil in 2017. It is a very attractive deal – with 2 years of control at low price and little guaranteed money after year 1.

    The question is if a team would pay a price the Eagles can accept, considering the coaching staff and front office really would like to start with success initially, has little interest in being bad with no 2017 1st pick and a QB you would ideally like to see sit and develop. I would get Bradford to phone Drew Brees and to talk about his response to Rivers… go play great and then a team with a playoff roster but a lacking a QB will come calling in 2017.

  238. 238 BobSmith77 said at 3:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’d strong prefer they trade Bradford now (when I think he has more value) than the slim possibility he may have a good year, & stay healthy for 15-16.

  239. 239 Fufina said at 3:30 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If he plays well in 2016 and continues to be healthy he will add value. You have to remember any success he had in 2015 was in a Chip system which does tend to pad out QB stats nicely with plenty of yards and completion percentage. I doubt you can get more than a late 2nd currently… if Bradford plays well you can get a 1st and maybe more in 2017.

  240. 240 Jernst said at 3:10 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Well, not exactly. If we’re working off the assumption that we would be trading up for Wentz, that means we’d have no first rounder next year anyways, so who cares about tanking. Is the difference in quality versus the 12th pick in the 2nd round and the 18th pick in the second round so great that you’ll tank the season for it?

    Bradfords contract isn’t necessarily untradeable. The new team would be getting him for one season at $17M. But, most likely would immediately be reworking his deal. Of course all of this depends on how he plays this year. If he looks like early 2015 Bradford, he’ll probably end up cut unless he agrees to a restructure as part of the deal and he probably won’t get us anything great in return. But, imagine if he plays like late season Bradford from last year or even a bit better. If he throws for almost 3500-4000 yards and 25-30 TDs next year and we want to trade him, I can think of about 10 teams that would jump at the opportunity to have that kind of QB production.

  241. 241 BobSmith77 said at 3:23 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I am not saying ‘tank’ outright. As for Bradford, I’d be really surprised if has a very productive year with yet another new scheme, no upgrades in offensive skill personnel (traded Murray), and a new coordinator & head coach. Also have the injury factor which is pretty high in his case.

    I see a scenario where Bradford starts with some ups and downs, misses at least 3-4 G (if not more), and Daniel is underwhelming. The only way I see this team winning 8-9 games with their current roster is if the defense really surprises me a bit & they continue to get decent special teams play including some scoring TDs. It strikes me as more of a 6-7 win team right now given their roster & schedule.

    Maybe this offense surprises me and they are middle of the pack. I have a feeling they’ll be bottom 1/3, struggle to score 21+ pts each week unless they get a defensive TD/special teams contribution, and maintain drives.

  242. 242 Cafone said at 3:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I think the run game will be much improved now that the Eagles won’t be running the read option as their only play and allowing an unchecked defender into the backfield to hit a lumbering DeMarco Murry before he ever reaches the line of scrimmage.

    Also, Brooks is an upgrade.

  243. 243 Jernst said at 4:47 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Well I guess you just have to ask yourself, “What’s the cost versus the potential benefits of keeping him for a year versus just letting him go in FA?”

    Costs of keeping him for 1 year: $12M in 2016 cap space and $5.5M next year. That’s it. There’s no other cost. And those cap hits didn’t keep us from resigning all our young players we wanted to keep. It won’t stop us from signing Cox to an extension and we were able to be very active in FA. Plus they’re not at all bad numbers for a starting QB. Someone has to start, so you can’t just remove Bradford and add all that back. Gotta subtract whatever we would end up giving to his replacement.

    Potential benefits: however unlikely you think it might be, it’s conceivable that he turns his career around realizes his very real potential and becomes a franchise QB solving the most important issue on your team. He might play well enough that another team would be willing to trade you good compensation for him next season. If he plays just a little better than he did down the stretch you’d be reasonable to expect a 2nd round pick and likely more for him which would make it worthwhile alone. He gives you the best chance to compete in a very winable division and provide an entertaining season for your fans more so than any other guy that could have been found on the street to start. You know he’s at least serviceable enough that he won’t stunt your young WRs development with truly horrible QB play which would also potentially delegitimize your rookie HC in the players eyes if things are truly atrocious. He gives you the best chance of winning and to develop a winning attitude in the program instead of risking a disaster level season that’s not good for anyone.

    Worst case he continues to be mediocre and there’s little to no trade market and you eat his cap hits and cut him or hopefully get something like a 4th for him. Then you have a QB competition in 2017 between Wentz and Daniel.

    I see a lot more good things that could happen than bad. And even the worst case scenario isn’t all that bad. So what’s your issue with it? Would you prefer going with Daniel as your starter with Wentz as #2, lose out on any chance that Bradford really was a stud WB hampered by early injuries that bloomed late, lose out on the very real possibility that we could trade him and get an extra 2nd, and possibly live through the type of season that a career backup and a rookie project that isn’t ready coming out of the FSC would be expected to produce?

  244. 244 Mac said at 3:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Disagree from this standpoint. The division is winnable. And much like the draft, the playoffs are extremely luck driven… just need a ticket to the dance to have a chance to win it all.

  245. 245 Fufina said at 2:43 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    We paid a steep price, but not an obscene one. This team has no chance until they find some kind of stability at the QB position. The thing i like probably most of all about this is this team is going to be committed to Wentz, and is going to give him time to grow, probably a year working on his technique and really learning the playbook and system, and then at least 2 years to learn try and adapt to the NFL.

    I am a huge believer that so much of the QB development is about giving them time to develop and adjust to the league. If Eli had been a 3rd round pick he would have had 1 year in NY and then kicked to the back of the roster. Jags would have moved heaven and earth to find another QB after Bortles first year. Wentz will be under huge pressure from the fanbase due to the trade (and its unpopularity), but the coaching staff and front office will give him all the support and time he needs because their jobs rely on it.

  246. 246 eagleyankfan said at 2:47 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Begs the question — what if — Bradford goes 10-6, 30 td’s and 8 INT’s and maybe 11-5 the following year? Will the Eagles still be committed to him or Wentz in 2018?

  247. 247 Lord of the Rings said at 2:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    That would be amazing.
    who would catch all those td’s though?

  248. 248 eagleyankfan said at 2:53 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Jordan ‘All thumbs’ Matthews? Or ‘Invisible man’ Huff? Answer is simple — all the money spent on TE’s, they better be catching something….

  249. 249 Fufina said at 2:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Depends on how Wentz looks. If Bradford puts up that kind of stat like then he will have some serious value… which can pay off most of the cost of geting Wentz if you trade Bradford.

    If the team decides you know what Bradford is the guy then keep him and trade Wentz. Thats not a bad outcome because you have found your franchise guy and you will get back some decent assets for Wentz in a trade.

  250. 250 eagleyankfan said at 2:54 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I guess that would really be a win/win for the Eagles. I do expect Bradford to come out and play for future contracts, which again is a good thing. Hope he doesn’t get hurt this year…

  251. 251 Fufina said at 2:59 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Well if he gets hurt we are lucky to have an elite QB prospect waiting in the wings, we cut him and his injury ravaged career and move on with Wentz.

  252. 252 MattE said at 2:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    keep both because Bradford is not exactly “available” all the time.

  253. 253 eagleyankfan said at 2:55 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    good point…lol

  254. 254 Insomniac said at 2:53 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Trade Bradford since Dougie P will be a QB whisperer if that happens.

  255. 255 Cafone said at 2:55 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If that happens maybe we get a 1st round pick for Bradford. Next year. There is no following year.

  256. 256 Jernst said at 3:03 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    So we trade a 1st, 2nd and 3rd because we’re desperate to find a franchise QB. But, then while that guy is sitting on the bench in street clothes for 2 years, we finally…after 7 seasons of searching have a legitimate franchise QB who’s winning 11 games a year and we’re going to flip him for a first rounder? Nope in that scenario, it’s time to trade Wentz, thank the gods of old and new that one of our three QBs became a stud and trade Wentz to recoup as much of our investment as possible.

  257. 257 BlindChow said at 4:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Then Bradford immediately regresses back to the mean, and we languish in QB purgatory while Wentz lights it up for Denver…

  258. 258 Jernst said at 5:43 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The joys of being an Eagles fan

  259. 259 Jernst said at 2:58 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If Bradford becomes a franchise level QB, count your blessings and be happy you found the allusive franchise QB. Lock him up long term and trade Wentz to the highest bidder. I’d start with a 1st, 2nd and third unless he was either egregiously bad or super human in the preseasons. And, the only way I would move Bradford instead is if Wentz was CLEARLY outplaying him in practice and was a surefire franchise guy. Otherwise, why make QB such a huge priority and then dump the guy who’s played two straight seasons of top notch QB play for a draft pick. The object is to find a franchise QB, not do give up one just so Wentz has an opportunity to maybe become one.

    The FO has already made it clear that the emphasis isn’t that the QB has to be Wentz. They don’t technically even know if he’s going to be the draft pick. So why would they care if it’s Bradford or Wentz that’s the one playing at a high level as long as someone was?

  260. 260 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:18 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Why even trade Wentz? Even if Bradford goes on a big run for 2 or 3 years, by year 5 at the latest we are going to need Wentz no? I wouldn’t call it a problem if we are getting such good play from Bradford that Wentz only plays sporadically during his rookie contract. Maybe Bradfords history misfortune has changed, but is he really going to play 16 games for the next 5 years? What would the betting odds on that be? Like 10,000 to 1? Crazy odds than the Gennady Golvokin massacre coming up..
    Not the end of the world if Wentz rookie contract ends up playing out similar to Osweiler. Of course he has to continue growing and showing he is legit behind the scenes to be worth the first round pick salary.. But as Long as we don’t then lose him how Denver lost Osweiler, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if he wasn’t needed until his second contract..
    Of course we are getting way ahead of ourselves and talking about the richest of Richman problems.. Like McManus said, if Bradford and Wentz both end up being so good, we will have the rarest of “problems”

  261. 261 anon said at 3:20 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    osweiler was a terrible result for broncos, leaves and you get nothing but a comp pick.

  262. 262 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yes, that’s why I said minus the way Osweiler situation ended for them.
    Make sure you don’t have a VON Miller without a contract that you have to Franchise during the same year where Wentz can leave in FA

  263. 263 Jernst said at 5:41 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Bradford’s only 28. If (and that’s a big IF) he becomes a franchise QB, he’s going to play for more than 5 years.

    I’m just not that into spending a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and first pick in the 4th for a back-up QB. Especially when I apparently, in this scenario, have a franchise QB who I want to have extra resources to build around, especially considering that Bradford in that scenario would be making $20mil per year and we’d need the cheap talent to stay competitive.

    I’d rather regain a first round pick or more and spend the next 8 years looking for the right guy, rather than waiting till Wentz is about to be a FA going into his year 29 season to turn the reigns over to him and have to immediately pay him a hefty contract.

  264. 264 Media Mike said at 4:45 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Wentz…………..and the first rounder we’ll get for Bradford!!!!!!

  265. 265 Insomniac said at 2:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Eli sat behind Warner for half a season. Bortles plays for a defensive coach. I get your point but our staff doesn’t really have a track record of developing good QBs. Compile this with Wentz’s obvious flaws then you have real reasons for concern.

  266. 266 peteike said at 2:55 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    most young coaching staffs dont have a track record of anything

  267. 267 Insomniac said at 2:57 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    They’re not young though. They’ve been around for nearly a decade.

  268. 268 peteike said at 3:05 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    QB coach has but Doug and Frank not so much at their current positions.

    Per Defillipo: “he has had success helping young quarterbacks, including Derek Carr in Oakland in 2014 and Sanchez in 2009”

  269. 269 Insomniac said at 3:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’ll give you Carr (arguably) but Defillipo’s track record is not strong.

  270. 270 Fufina said at 3:05 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Wentz has obvious and multiple question marks… not many ‘flaws’. I know that sounds pedantic but i think it is a point people miss a lot when evaluation QB’s is what they cannot do and what they have not proven they can do is very different.

    Wentz needs to improve his footwork because he is inconsistent in his accuracy when throwing on the move, he needs to calm down in the pocket and realize that stepping up 1-2 steps is often better than taking 4 or 5. He is slow going through his progressions at times, especially if something unexpected happen and happens to lock on to receivers at times.

    But most of the time he locks onto a receiver the get open… that shows he can read the game and be patient and he will quickly learn that you cannot telegraph what you are planning to NFL safeties (and it is not he does not look off safeties at other times or make quick decisions to throw quickly).

    When he is set he is a very accurate QB, and an excellent feel for placing the ball where his WR can get it and the CB cannot, so that would suggest that if you can get him throwing from a consistent base accuracy will not be a significant concern at the next level.

    He runs too much and is too willing to tuck the ball and run…. but every athletic QB ever is the same at early in their careers… its how their coaches want them to play.

    Now all of those things are concerns and things that he may not be able to develop but they are not flaws at this point.

  271. 271 Insomniac said at 3:17 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    You’re going to have to give some evidence of this since I saw the exact opposite of what you are seeing.

  272. 272 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:10 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Totally agree…
    We Need QB stability, And our QB prospect Wont stand much of a chance without years of coaching and scheme stability, so hopefully Lurie and Roseman get it right with this new coaching regime, and doug does enough to warrant being here past year 3.
    Ideall bradford has a big year, enough to warrant another season because Id prefer sitting a rookie for two full seasons. We invested a Lot in this Qb prospect, rathet air on the side of extra patience, instead of playing him too soon. Obviously sitting him for yeàr two probably isnt realistic if it requires watching Chase play all of yeàr two, then again that would probably mean Bradford did have a great year so I guess it wouldn’t matter much… Of course it be great if we find out the kid is some prodigy who improves so Quickily that the coaches can no longer justify keeping him on the bench for year two, but Id rather plan for two years of patience, accelerating that timeline would be gravy
    Hopefully bradford can at least do enough from keeping the FANBASE from getting impatient and putting pressure to get Wentz on the field faster.

  273. 273 Lord of the Rings said at 2:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    this whole thing was done to save money in the next 5 years basically.
    rookie qb.
    lots of teams qb’s are getting older so more teams will need one coming up.
    this is a money grab, can’t be paying top dollar for old qb’s really, need that rookie salary. it was our best chance being so close to number 2 so we had to go for it now.

  274. 274 unhinged said at 3:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Do you have a byline on I think anybody who’s been an Eagles fan since 1995 believes that Jeff Lurie is jonesin’ for a parade. He has made a ton of money with this team. He’s gotten to one SB, and that was a bitter pill. I just think you are way off base on this.

  275. 275 xmbk said at 5:49 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Salaries do not have any meaningful effect on the owner’s pocketbook in the NFL. There is no owner who tries to skimp on salaries in order to line his own pockets.

  276. 276 Media Mike said at 6:10 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    No, not since Norman Braman did it here.

    Or one could include Jerry Richardson for trying to drive the CBA off a cliff in his impotent anti-labor rage during the lockout.

  277. 277 A_T_G said at 2:50 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I am conflicted in this whole situation of our incoming QB.

    On the one hand, if we can get a good one we have a chance to really put together a special team.

    On the other hand, I would miss out on the opportunity to make tee-shirts saying “I paid Cleveland five draft picks and only got a lousy quarter back.”

    Obviously, I’m torn.

  278. 278 Cafone said at 2:53 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think the Eagles have been dressing three QBs on game day. So if Daniels is the backup does that mean our Quarterback of the Future is going to learn his trade in street clothes on game day? Will the Eagles sacrifice a spot on the game day roster to have Wentz in uniform?

  279. 279 anon said at 2:58 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    what difference would that make/

  280. 280 Cafone said at 3:10 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’d like to see Wentz ready to go in 2017 and I think he will be more ready to go in 2017 if he’s actually in uniform in 2016.

  281. 281 anon said at 3:20 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    how so, absent injury he’s holding a clip board either way.

  282. 282 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:19 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Absent two QB injuries he is holding a clipboard… Absurd to think wearing a uniform as opposed to street clothes would make any difference, if he doesn’t take his preperation serious even when he isn’t dressing for games, he isn’t going to be very successful. If he needs to wear a uniform instead of street clothes to understand that then we are really screwed and he isn’t as smart as they say…. What a ridiculuos notion… His reps and class room study habbits matter, what he wears on the sideline is so irrelevant

  283. 283 Birds4Life said at 3:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    So standing on the sidelines in a uniform will make him more ready to play, then standing on the sidelines in street clothes?

  284. 284 Cafone said at 3:33 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yes because when you dress for a game you need to be ready to go in.

  285. 285 Birds4Life said at 3:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    From all the reports on Wentz, he seems like smart dude with a high football IQ. He is a student of the game. There will be no difference whether is in street clothes or not. What do you think he will be doing if he doesn’t dress for games? I don’t think he’ll be eating chicken tenders on the sideline. He will be in all the QB meetings, have a headset in his ear on gamedays and be going over the changes to the gameplan on Sundays. No difference.

  286. 286 anon said at 5:02 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    if bradford goes down like last year he’d dress the next game, maybe he’d play the next game if chase sucks. But if chase sucks why are we paying him $9m/yr.

  287. 287 Dude said at 7:09 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I tend to agree with you here. If you’re not dressed to play, then you’re just a spectator, no matter how closely you study the game.

  288. 288 b3nz0z said at 3:50 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    he’ll know a year in advance if the uni pants pinch or bunch anywhere. that’ll give him time to perfect his wedgie picking technique.

  289. 289 xmbk said at 5:46 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If he’s in uniform he’ll be getting a lot more practice reps in.

  290. 290 unhinged said at 3:45 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    HC’s get gray hairs and crow’s feet over such things. It makes little difference in the abstract to most of us, but let one position be shorted, and Murphy will rear his head. I’m guessing the consensus will be for the new QB to not dress, at least until they take off his training wheels.

  291. 291 xmbk said at 5:46 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    How many reps he gets.

  292. 292 Cafone said at 3:07 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Bennie Logan seems to really like both new coaches:

  293. 293 MattE said at 3:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    i fear Bennie will be priced out of Philly once Fletch signs.

  294. 294 Cafone said at 3:13 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Maybe, but it sounds like team will be picking up a lot of defensive lineman in this years draft. Logan may not have as much value around the league as people assume.

  295. 295 MattE said at 3:16 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    good point. I guess the other question is…. does Bennie benefit from being next to Fletch? If so what is his real value?

  296. 296 Cafone said at 3:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If I had to guess, I’d say the Eagles offer him Zach Ertz type money.

  297. 297 MattE said at 3:22 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    meh…. apples to oranges. Hell it’s even hard enough to price 3-4 vs 4-3 DL hahaha.

  298. 298 Cafone said at 3:25 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’m not comparing players or positions. By writing “Zach Ertz type money” I mean to say somewhere around 40-50 million for 5 years with 20ish million in guarantees.

  299. 299 MattE said at 3:26 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    yeah from a pure number standpoint i could see that….. just hope the market changes with this draft class as you were eluding to earlier.

  300. 300 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:33 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I think Logan and cox will prove to be one of the best DT tandems in the game next year… Love that Schwartz its gonna split the ends out wide and have them funnel everything inside and force teams to deal with man dog and bennie the beast who will be waiting to Eat…

  301. 301 Mac said at 3:19 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I’m optimistically penciling Logan in as a long time Eagle because of this draft class…
    1. the fact that the Eagles are unlikely to get a top flight DT 2. as you point out it should push demand lower next year 3. certain players being dropped from the roster will help the cap next year.

  302. 302 MattE said at 3:22 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    i.e. Bradford lol

  303. 303 Mac said at 3:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Shhhh… lol

  304. 304 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:30 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t expect Logan to be gone any time soon, especially if Bradford is gone after this year, his money would go right to extending Logan and Jordan Mathews.. Even if something crazy happens and we give SAM a new deal Jason Peters and Barwin won’t be on our books forever
    One of the advantages of drafting a QB is 5 years of relatively cheap QB play, allowing you to stack your roster The way seattle was able to win a Super Bowl
    It’s not that rare to see a DL with 4 well paid guys. Just make sure their backups are on rookie contracts

  305. 305 MattE said at 3:33 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    right, but one of those guys will be more than well paid. Fletch is getting 1st Team All-Pro type money…. Cowherd use to bang on this all the time about paying big time DEFENSIVE free agents, Fletch is home grown, but still…. believe me I am all for re-signing Fletch and Bennie…. maybe Howie has enough foresight to draft a cheap QB over the next 4 years while spending a ton on defense.

  306. 306 Jernst said at 5:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Moving on from Peters and Bradford alone net us something like $27million in cap space. We’ll have plenty of money to extend the guys we want to.

  307. 307 Dave said at 4:06 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    lol, Benny talks like a character from Saturday Night Live. Coach Doug, Coach Chip, too funny. His face really lit up talking about Schwartz though.

  308. 308 MattE said at 3:08 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Scenario 1:
    Bradford has stellar season, make playoffs (playoffs are important indicator, winning record not enough in NFC-E to mean anything).
    Wentz progresses nicely, not much time on field.
    Chase Daniel turns out to be an extension of Douggy P. (coaching wise).

    Outcome: Trade a very attractive Bradford to a SuperBowl ready team who needs a QB, Wentz becomes heir apparent, Daniel stays as #2, draft another late round/developmental prospect in 2017 (ya never know).

    Scenario 2:
    Bradford has middling season, we go 8-8.
    Wentz gets a few starts at the end of the season to get his feet wet and can now compete with Bradford for the job the following year.
    Chase Daniel continues to grow moss on his cleats, but good mentor for Wentz.

    Outcome: Bradford’s value is back to square one, except now going into 2017 we have a more workable number for Bradford as far as trade goes due to increase in salary cap. Trade for best deal possible, but pull trigger on trade (even if 6th rounder or a washing machine). concentrate on attaining draft picks and BPA for next 2 drafts.

    Scenario 3:
    Bradford gets hurt/plays awful.
    Chase Daniel forced into action, gets hurt/awful
    Wentz cleans up back end of season to get some experience.

    Outcome: With a bad season our lack of draft picks would not be as big of an issue due to awful record and picking early in later rounds due to record. Draft BPA for next 2 years.

    ……worst case scenario: we lost out on the money allocated to Bradford in 2016, big whoop, we ain’t winning anyway.

    ……best case scenario: Bradford becomes trade bait or can compete with Wentz the following year.

    Either way, since rookie contracts have been re-structured via the CBA a few years ago, i just don’t feel that it is as big of a risk anymore to go get a guy in the draft. The Redskins are prime example of both what TO-DO and NOT TO-DO (however that works)……. they took a shot on RG3 while taking another shot on some guy named Cousins. ….im sorry but in my opinion it’s easier to find a QB who can cover blemishes elsewhere on the team rather than A WHOLE TEAM that needs to mesh well chemistry wise, scheme wise etc. You want to find 22 guys or 1?

  309. 309 Fufina said at 3:13 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Outside of Wentz just straight up busting the way this goes wrong is if the locker room splits. Ertz/Mathews become Bradford guys, other players become Wentz guys, things get said, rivalries get set up that last and fester and even when one of the QB’s is moved then the issues still remain.

  310. 310 MattE said at 3:15 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    that’s why it is imperative that we don’t have a “QB carousel” durign the season. If the veterans don’t experience Wentz on the field in 2016 then there will only be CHase Daniel guys and Bradford guys.

  311. 311 Fufina said at 3:23 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Think some players – especially the 1st/2nd year guys will gravitate to Wentz… they will know they way the wind is blowing and why spend time backing the loosing nag when you can currying favor with the young stallion.

    Bradford has very good relationship with Ertz/Mathews and probably a fair few other players across the team, and they may not like having to deal with a young QB who has not ‘proven’ anything yet.

    I think it is not a huge concern… Chip has built a pretty vanilla locker room filled with do your job team first guys, i doubt any of the leaders like Jenkins/ Barwin/ Logan/ Kelce/ Johnson etc are going to let this become a problem but it could happen.

  312. 312 MattE said at 3:24 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    the other thing to is that I am sure Bradford has developed a relationship because they may be the best receievers he’s ever had lol

  313. 313 Cafone said at 3:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Also it sounds like Matthews and Ertz are making sure they have a relationship whether Sam likes it or not:

  314. 314 MattE said at 3:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Matthews and Ertz just seem like workaholic types so it doesn’t really concern me that they would mix work/home life so much that it screws their paycheck up.

  315. 315 Jernst said at 5:34 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yea…I can’t really see guys like Matthews or Ertz going all TO and splitting the lockeroom.

  316. 316 RC5000 said at 4:06 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Wentz and Ertz are probably from German ancestry. So they will either be best buds or stab each other in the back.

  317. 317 ChoTime said at 5:37 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I am an Ertz on my mother’s side. It was traced back to a specific town… we don’t know of any particular connection with the kid, but we do cheer harder when he scores.

  318. 318 Media Mike said at 6:04 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    So it took you quite a while to cheer harder last year……….

  319. 319 Jernst said at 5:33 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Winning solves everything. If Bradford wins it’s a moot point, unless of course they turn around and trade him the following season and Wentz struggles and the team regresses, then everyone’s mad. If Bradford plays well, wins, and gets traded and Wentz comes in next year and plays well and wins, that’ll fade. If Bradford loses and Wentz replaces him and plays noticeably better those rivalries would fade pretty quickly. If Bradford is losing and Wentz replaces him and sucks too, then everyone’s mad, and it doesn’t really matter because this was going to fail anyways since they both suck.

  320. 320 A_T_G said at 3:18 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    You forgot the one where a lack of OT depth means that after Peters goes down with a case of the gout, JPP destroys Bradford and unintentionally hits Wentz in the knee with one of Bradfords limbs (unintentionally, my ass).

    Chase gives meaning to his name as he flees down the tunnel. Pederson is forced to retake the field where is puts forth a noble effort, but ultimately is not able to bend far enough to reach under center. As a result we are forced to revert to Chip’s playbook of all shotgun snaps and predictable runs.

    THAT is worst case scenario.

  321. 321 MattE said at 3:19 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    you forget we have Frank Reich also lol…….

    QB’s/Ex-QBs on the Eagles (at any level):
    Sam Bradford
    Chase Daniel
    #2 Draft Pick
    Douggy P
    Frank Reich
    Marcus Smith
    Lane Johnson

    ….am i forgetting anyone?

  322. 322 peteike said at 3:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    in case were down 30

  323. 323 MattE said at 3:34 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    we invest in QB’s

  324. 324 b3nz0z said at 3:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    oooh better grab braxton miller then

  325. 325 D3FB said at 12:41 PM on April 23rd, 2016:

    Burton was a QB at Florida.

  326. 326 Fufina said at 3:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Tolbin has been pretty bad at RG when he has been asked to play there but has done a decent job at LT for a back up when asked to do so, I would rotate my TE to play on the Tolbins side in line and chip all day any elite rusher and leave Johnson to go 1v1 on the other side.

    I mean obviously the OL can all get injured 2012 2.0 style, and Bradford and Daniels end up in the morgue having been beaten to death… but that can happen to any team as there is no roster in the league (maybe the 2015 Bengals with their 4 OT’s) that can deal with 3-4 injures to starters on the OL and still get quality play… just look at the Pats last year.

  327. 327 A_T_G said at 3:29 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yeah, I’m not really down on them, I was just having fun with the worst case scenario idea. I think adding Brooks helps this line a great deal.

  328. 328 MattE said at 3:35 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Worse Case Scenario: Cowboys win

  329. 329 b3nz0z said at 3:47 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    no. we all die. that’s the worst case.

  330. 330 Lord of the Rings said at 6:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    spoiler alert. it happens

  331. 331 ACViking said at 4:41 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    after Peters goes down with a case of the gout . . .

    Working gout into a football post . . . Fantastic!

    Conjures up memories of Balzac.

  332. 332 Joe Minx said at 5:12 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Haha! I haven’t thought about that in years.

  333. 333 A_T_G said at 6:03 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Thanks. My grandmother is in her mid-80s and must be careful of her diet due to gout. It seemed like something Peters might also face, given his advance years.

  334. 334 EaglesGameBalls said at 3:41 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Bradford is getting traded genius

  335. 335 MattE said at 8:52 AM on April 26th, 2016:

    just like your mom

  336. 336 Jernst said at 5:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Sure the probability of this happening is low, but the true best case scenario is that Bradford turns out to be a guy that really was hindered by early injuries and constant shitty scheme changes, comes out and plays with a chip on his shoulder and turns out to be a franchise caliber QB. Low chance that it happens, I certainly don’t expect it to happen, but it’s certainly possible. And, ending up with a franchise QB and a #2 overall drafted QB like Wentz is a great problem to have. Eventually, you’ll trade one for a decent bounty regaining the resources you spent to get Wentz and still end up with a franchise QB.

  337. 337 Lord of the Rings said at 3:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    the best part about trading up for a qb is he can’t be a bust this year!
    he can only be bust next year maybe. so add three year to evaluate and we are looking at a solid 4 years before we know if it was a good trade.
    that’s better then knowing right away that Marcus Smith is no good.

  338. 338 b3nz0z said at 3:47 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    i’m gonna call you out when marcus blows up in the 43

  339. 339 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    We kill marcus, but is it really the worst thing in the world that NOTHING was given to him since he was drafted and he had to spend his first two years working to try and close the gap between him and some pretty good players like Barwin and BG?
    If Marcus becomes a productive playër, the last thing anyone can say is that the kid didnt earn it

  340. 340 Lord of the Rings said at 3:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I hope you’re right.
    its his year

  341. 341 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:42 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    It would be entertaining to see the skins force Odell Beckham to deal with Josh Norman twice a year…. Of course watching him hold Jordan Mathews to 17yards in a game is no fun, but Josh won’t have the scary panthers DL forcing QBs to throw quick, which is where Norman becomes dangerous ready to jump routes

  342. 342 Jernst said at 5:20 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Without that DL forcing quick throws, that 4.66 40 time might show up on tape a bit more. Haven’t watched enough of Norman last season to know if he plays anywhere close to his official combine time, but that’s molasses for an NFL CB. You’d have to think that at some point, I don’t care how great your technique is, those 4.3-4.4 WRs are gonna eventually be able to run away from you.

    I’m ok if the Skins sign him for a few reasons. One, I have full confidence that he won’t live up to the hype of the contract. Between not playing on Carolina’s really good defense, his slow 40 time and lack of sustained production over his career. This is a guy who had 3 picks in 3 seasons prior to busting out with 4 this year. Finally, he’s 29 years old. Corners tend to age relatively quickly, especially when they don’t have speed to spare. They’ll end up signing him to a 6 year deal and he’ll be an effective starter for 2 of those years before he starts to decline dramatically.

  343. 343 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:38 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    he is pretty good at running down field with WRs even tho he lacks combine speed…. A big part of his game is keeping his eyes on the QB, and he gets in trouble every now and then losing the WR because his eyes are always on the QB even when running down field. An example of this is he got caught looking at Eli and lost track of Oddell who exploded past him getting open deep on that wide open Bomb Beckham drooped against him early in that game . . Yes at times he gets to benefit from being a cover 3 CB but that goes out the window and it becomes man coverage when he is running down field against a WR.. And on 3rd down he was usually really stout against top Dogs.. He made a lot plays running down field stride for stride against some much faster combine Guys and broke up passes down field… Not the best hands, with less than double digit INTs in his career.
    he had a big year in 2014 but it was under the radar compared to what he did last year. brandon Cooks had two solid games against the Panthers, he shut down Julio once but Julio had that Monster 180 yard game in week 16, so really he was a beast against most teams, but a few of the WRs who got to face him twice were able to have some success, when you lack of Talent in the skins secondary, he is a huge upgrade for them. hopefully they won’t be able to sigń him to a contract that they can easily get out of in 2 years… But the Niners have a ton of money, and Gamble is allegdly hot for him.
    Bet the Dolphins wish they gave BYRON Maxwells money to Norman instead

  344. 344 Fufina said at 3:46 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Quick point regarding the loss of picks…

    We have net lost a 1st, 2nd and 3rd and had a net trade down in the 4th round.

    If we drafted decently then that is probably 1 quality starter and 1 starter and maybe a special teamer. That seems like a lot to give up, but there is one angle that people have not really looked at yet this… how this will save cap in 2017 and 2018.

    By having Wentz on a $6mil a year contract compared to Bradford on $18mil+ that will save us significant cap space down the line if/when he is traded. That difference in cap charge ($12-14mil in QB savings $3mil saved from rookie contracts = $15-17mil) in will be able to sign you a quality free agent and a low level starter and special teamer. Body wise you should be able to make up what you have given up in picks without too many issues.

    There is obviously opportunity cost of having lost the chance to draft a player who could be a lot more than a quality starter… someone who could become elite on a very cheap contract, and if Wentz sucks and busts then obviously the team will be in a bad place in 2018, but the roster should not see this huge loss of talent and players that many people are talking about.

  345. 345 Jernst said at 5:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Exactly…plus it’s nice that each of the three picks we lost are in different years. It allows us to replace those picks one year at a time in FA instead of bringing in a huge group of FAs all at once. Between this year and the next two we just need to sign 1 extra FA per year. One stud, one solid starter and a rotational/ST potential starter type. That is very doable.

  346. 346 xmbk said at 5:33 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Lost draft pics = lost cap space, so not as much savings as you think. Yes, if you can build a winner while qb is on rookie contract, life is good. But you’re reaching with this one.

  347. 347 Mitchell said at 7:07 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If you got 1 quality starter, 1 good starter and a STmer in any draft, I would consider it above average. Especially if the quality guy is at qb.

  348. 348 FairOaks said at 12:47 AM on April 23rd, 2016:

    It will only save cap with respect to the rookie QB. But he’s going to back up for a year or two behind an expensive QB, then if he turns out well we’d be trying to re-sign him early. So I’m not sure it will be saving a lot, other than one maybe two seasons. We’d have the 5th year option but that is like a transition tag, which will probably be 20 million + by then.

    And the reason you want more picks is to get good players on cheap rookie contracts in the future — and we are now down two of our next 4 best chances of finding those players. The only other solution to get quality talent is to pay expensive free agents. That is a net loss of cap, unless you want to play with holes.

  349. 349 Bob Brewer said at 3:50 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Is that Rams leaning Wentz story bogus?

  350. 350 Fufina said at 3:54 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    NFL want suspense going into the draft, so they will leak whatever is needed to the press to sustain that. Eagles will know who they are taking… there is no benefit for the Rams to hide it from inside the league and it helps build good will.

    Now maybe they take Wentz… but if they did then they were taking him all along and the Eagles traded up for Goff and knew what they are getting. Rams new who they were taking when they moved up to no.1 (if they rate both the same then trade to no.2 for less and let someone else pay the pick 1 premium).

  351. 351 A_T_G said at 4:08 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Well said.

  352. 352 Bob Brewer said at 4:38 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yea I know, I’m just impatient.

  353. 353 Mac said at 4:40 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    My off-color joke sense is tingling on this one. But I’m gonna hold back for the good of the board.

  354. 354 Jernst said at 5:02 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Agreed completely! The Rams clearly know who they are taking, otherwise the urgency to get to number one would seem very odd. I am a bit confused why they interviewed the two QBs after the trade though. That seems odd if your so sure already, but I’m more willing to believe they’re just being extra thorough just to make sure one last time than to believe they traded that much of a premium for the #1 pick with both QBs rated close enough to each other that they would change their minds after the trade.

    And, the Eagles HAVE to know who the Rams are taking, otherwise they’d have agreed in principle to a deal and waited until the Rams selection to make the trade. Plus, there’d be no reason for Howie to lie and say he knows who the Rams are taking and that they’re FO is real good friends with him that they should all hang out in LA together…all while winking and nodding that yes the Rams told us who they’re drafting.

    That doesn’t mean that they’re drafting Goff though. Those reports could be just as off base as the new ones coming out that their guys is actually Wentz. I’m sure prior to the trade for #1 there were tons of smoke screens being thrown out trying to get the competition for the #1 pick to possibly feel more comfortable backing off their offer if they thought their guy would be there at #2, who knows who’s reporting the accurate leaks versus the diversion leaks.

  355. 355 ChoTime said at 5:27 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Bottom line is, if the Eagles get Goff, I like the trade and think it was a good risk. They get Wentz, it’s a desperate shot in the dark.

  356. 356 P_P_K said at 5:51 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    You the man.

  357. 357 DJH said at 5:08 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    At one point it seems Eagles and Rams were competing for #1 pick. Eagles figured out Rams wanted Goff and dropped out bc they want Wentz?

    Couldn’t Rams have figured out Eagles wanted Wentz and let them pay for #1 pick?

    Did Rams tell Eagles they want Goff, so Eagles withdrew offer and therefore Rams had no more comp for #1 and it wasn’t as expensive.

  358. 358 Mac said at 4:45 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Some comfort for those uncomfortable with the move up to #2 overall… If we are living in a predetermined universe, then this move was inevitable.

  359. 359 ACViking said at 4:47 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    You mean, we don’t make our own destiny?

  360. 360 Mac said at 4:54 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Luck doesn’t grow on trees.

  361. 361 b3nz0z said at 5:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    josh gordon might. heyo!

  362. 362 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:41 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “Did someone say Ya Yo?”-josh Gordon

  363. 363 A Roy said at 7:18 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Destiny. Destiny. There’s no escaping destiny.

  364. 364 b3nz0z said at 5:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    yeah but i didn’t have a choice but to hate the move

  365. 365 RC5000 said at 7:46 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t even know if this thread is really happening anyway.

  366. 366 lonfident said at 8:14 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    As previously theorized by “Row, Row, Row your Boat”, the universe may not be real

  367. 367 HawaiianEagle said at 9:13 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    How many picks do QBs cost in the MATRIX?

  368. 368 anon said at 5:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Chargers GM Tom Telesco said trade talks for the No. 3 overall pick have “really slowed down” since Wednesday.

    NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reported earlier this week that San Diego was generating a ton of trade interest at No. 3 but those talks appeared to have died down. Telesco said the Chargers will use “all the time allotted” in selecting their pick. Ole Miss LT Laremy Tunsil, Florida State CB Jalen Ramsey and Oregon DL DeForest Buckner could all be in the mix at third overall.

  369. 369 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:44 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Chargers are in a dream position.. They get to choose from the best prospects in the draft. for a team that Wasnt going to draft a QB its like having the #1’pick now.

  370. 370 RC5000 said at 7:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Please take Jalen Tom Telesco.

  371. 371 Gian GEAGLE said at 5:48 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    The gap from our 1st pick this year(#2) to our second pick (77) is the longest gap between our first two drafts in franchise history…. Yay, what a fun draft this will be…hopefully it will be like a vegetable, SUCKS but it ends up being good for us,.,

  372. 372 mksp said at 5:59 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    My god, you’re like child.

    Impatient? Check.

    Hate vegetables? Check.

    Can’t string together a coherent sentence? Check.

    But at least you’re a RIDICULOUSLY WEALTHY child, right?

  373. 373 Media Mike said at 6:21 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Nice! Earned a lovely block on Twitter for myself by pointing out to Matt Waldman (draft writer that is on with Ross Tucker from time to time) that Carroo isn’t exactly a first class character guy.

    In any case, I’m none of y’all who also post draft simulators have drafted that piece of garbage. It takes special talent to smash a woman’s head off of the concrete.

  374. 374 Sean Stott said at 6:26 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Anyone seen any news lately on if the Rams are really leaning Goff? I haven’t found anything concrete about their leanings either way. Someone made a great point below, if the Rams really didn’t have a strong preference between them then they would have traded up to only #2.

  375. 375 Media Mike said at 6:40 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    There are some folks theorizing that they’re being noncommittal to either guy because they’re trying to spook us into trading up to 1 in order to get back a pick.

  376. 376 RC5000 said at 7:29 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    You’re not going to find proof this early. Schefter said they’re taking Goff and so did Mike Silver (Goff biased). Many hopped aboard on tweet train.

    Then you got Eagles heavily hinting they like Wentz. If anything they should be totally neutral. Theory is they know who Rams are taking. QBs have the same agent.

    Nothing is ever a lock with the media though.

  377. 377 SteveH said at 6:58 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    What we have right now is schrodinger’s quarterback. He can be thought of as both Carson Wentz and Jared Goff simultaneously.

    I’m calling him Jarson Gontz.

  378. 378 Dave said at 6:58 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I find this pretty interesting.

    “Wentz, some believe, is not a top prospect despite blooming late. He is, in some readings, a top prospect because he bloomed late. His delayed progression allowed him to develop well-rounded athletic skills and avoid the over-coaching – and, in some cases, detrimental coaching – many young quarterbacks receive.”

  379. 379 anon said at 7:01 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    yeah never went to a qb guru, apparently that’s a good thing now.

  380. 380 RC5000 said at 7:17 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    There are so many QB gurus hanging out in North Dakota.

  381. 381 Dave said at 7:28 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Have you seen the Gruden QB camp with Hackenberg? If not, I would recommend that episode.

    Gruden shows his foot placement his freshman year on the screen, and then rips him for doing it different his sophomore and junior years and how it affected his throwing. When he asked Hack why he changed, Hack told him that what his new QB coach wanted him to do.

    Gruden politely didn’t name the coach, but indicated Hack’s QB coaoch after BOB left for the Texans screwed him up.

    If Hackenberg got shitty coaching at Penn State, I imagine coaches and QB gurus, collecting paychecks from mom and dad for teaching their son to be a QB, may not necessarily be teaching kids the best techniques either.

  382. 382 P_P_K said at 7:00 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    In a couple years, for better or worse, Tommy’s post could read, “Reflections on The Deal.” Capital “T,” capital “D.”

  383. 383 HawaiianEagle said at 7:35 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Or… “Roseman, why (or why not) we kept him”.

  384. 384 A_T_G said at 7:44 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Or…”How many rings is too many?”

  385. 385 HawaiianEagle said at 7:45 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Or… “From Wentz we came…,”

  386. 386 HawaiianEagle said at 7:50 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I know it’s in poor taste to answer you own post, but:

    Howie, He went to Jared(s)…

  387. 387 Media Mike said at 8:00 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Only in poor taste to uprate your own post. Well done!

  388. 388 A_T_G said at 8:15 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Crisis averted, I snuck one in between.

  389. 389 A_T_G said at 8:10 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “Howie’s got ups: what can Browns do for you?”

  390. 390 P_P_K said at 9:08 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “Wentz upon a time, the Eagles traded…”

  391. 391 Cafone said at 9:56 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Teflon Howie searches for Pederson replacement

  392. 392 A_T_G said at 8:14 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “Turn your head and Goff: Howie got handled.”

  393. 393 P_P_K said at 8:00 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Or… “Roseman: The Genius.” Or… “Roseman: The Nitwit.”

  394. 394 A_T_G said at 8:59 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    “Howie , the goat of the trade” or “Howie, the GOAT of the trade.”

  395. 395 Media Mike said at 7:44 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Skins got Norman. I hope it is for $15 mil / year as reported.

  396. 396 Bob Brewer said at 7:52 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    CSN Mid Atlantic had 5/75

  397. 397 Media Mike said at 7:54 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    CAP KILLER……………

  398. 398 Greg Richards said at 7:56 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    $50M guaranteed. Norman is good, but he’s already 29. If I’m signing a big-ticket FA to that type of money, I want him to be 27 at the oldest.

  399. 399 RC5000 said at 7:57 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Is it fully guaranteed?

  400. 400 anon said at 7:58 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    their GM is the shit, so i have to give it the benefit of the doubt.

  401. 401 Media Mike said at 7:59 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Their owner did this. Their GM isn’t that stupid. The guy is a zone corner only and he’s not going to be playing with Short, Star, Luke, and Davis anymore.

    But at least he went to a team with a better DC.

  402. 402 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 8:54 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    And Kurt Coleman patrolling that deep middle. 🙂

  403. 403 RC5000 said at 8:11 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    FYI He’s 28. He will be 29 on December 15th.

  404. 404 A_T_G said at 8:56 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    It doesn’t sound like he gave Carolina a chance to match the offer.

  405. 405 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 8:58 PM on April 22nd, 2016:


  406. 406 A_T_G said at 9:24 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    No, I thought he was gathering offers, but was going to give Carolina one last chance. I guess things soured.

  407. 407 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 9:30 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I don’t think Carolina ever intended to pay him more than around 11M a year.

  408. 408 oreofestar said at 10:57 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    If so why did they try and sign him to 14M tag to begin with

  409. 409 FairOaks said at 12:34 AM on April 23rd, 2016:

    You have until May 1 to sign a longer-term deal, which Carolina was obviously hoping would cost less (this year) than the tag price. After that a tagged player can only sign a one-year deal (whether for the tag amount, less, or more), and Norman was not going to settle for less I’m sure, which I guess was more than Carolina wanted to pay. They tagged him hoping they could work out another deal, but I guess there was no hope and the deadline was coming. I’m sure that Snyder let him know what he’d pay… I’m sure they had been negotiating and waiting for the release.

    Carolina might lose out on a compensation pick now though — unsure how that works.

  410. 410 Tumtum said at 9:12 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    50 garunteed. Is it bad that I didn’t know who he was until this year?

  411. 411 Will:Howie is Nino Brown said at 9:13 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    He was good in 14 too.

  412. 412 Greg Richards said at 8:31 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    First pick mock. Traded 79 for 92 and 101.

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 2: Jared Goff, QB, California (A+)

    Round 3 Pick 29 (ARI): Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford (A+)

    Round 4 Pick 3 (DAL): Kenneth Dixon, RB, Louisiana Tech (A+)

    Round 5 Pick 14: Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois (A+)

    Round 5 Pick 25: Malcolm Mitchell, WR, Georgia (A+)

    Round 6 Pick 13: Kevin Byard, SS, Middle Tennessee (A-)

    Round 7 Pick 12: Daryl Worley, CB, West Virginia (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 30: Mike Thomas, WR, Southern Mississippi (A+)

    Sign Stephen Tulloch once CLE officially cuts him, try to trade one of our surplus linemen(Tobin/Kelly/Gardner) for an outside LB, maybe sign a vet DT like Sammie Lee Hill for depth and we go to work. Future starting RT will have to come next year. For this year, Gardner/Barbre/Kelly can fill in there. I probably wouldn’t trade Barbre just because he can play the left or right side at OT while Gardner is probably strictly a RG/RT. Lane would move to LT if Peters missed any significant time.

  413. 413 Media Mike said at 8:37 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I dig the effort, but I’d like better o-line adds than Garnett.

    Dixon seems like a real player.

  414. 414 Greg Richards said at 8:39 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yeah, but Garnett gets me a better score.

  415. 415 Media Mike said at 8:45 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    I really enjoy trying to balance wanting to chase the score on there vs. getting the best guys I want.

    Round 1 Pick 2: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State (A+)
    Round 3 Pick 30 (CAR): Joe Haeg, OT, North Dakota State (B)
    Round 4 Pick 13 (DET): Connor McGovern, OG, Missouri (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 18 (IND): Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 14: Matt Ioannidis, DT, Temple (B)
    Round 5 Pick 25: Paul McRoberts, WR, Southeast Missouri State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 5 (MINN): Justin Simmons, FS, Boston College (B)
    Round 6 Pick 13: DeAndre Washington, RB, Texas Tech (A-)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Deiondre’ Hall, CB, Northern Iowa (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 30: Josh Forrest, ILB, Kentucky (B-)

  416. 416 Mitchell said at 9:18 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Maybe consider Tuerk in the 3rd. Lots of versatility which the line may need in the future.

  417. 417 daveH said at 9:35 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    How much is Wentz going to make this year question 10 million ? because you have 50 million in QB this season , sketchy… Someone needs to be traded and re traded be retarded not to be

  418. 418 Greg Richards said at 10:36 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Last year, Marcus Mariota received a 4-year deal worth slightly over $24.2M. He received slightly over a $15.87M signing bonus. His first-year salary was $435K(the minimum). HIs cap hit was slightly over $4.4M. Mariota also has a 5th-year option. The amount of the 5th-year option for picks 1-10 is the same as the transition tender level for the player’s position.

    For Wentz/Goff, it should be a slight percentage increase over 2015. I’m not sure about this, but I don’t think team’s rookie caps increase at the same percentage level as the overall cap.

  419. 419 GermanEagle said at 9:40 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Are the Capitals in power play the whole 60 minutes?

  420. 420 RC5000 said at 9:46 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Flyers slower and shorter and smaller . Hanging on for dear life. They’ve been outhit by double. Neuwirth is keeping it close but Caps don’t even have a goal.

  421. 421 bill said at 11:16 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Brandon Mannning, Mark Streit, Andy MacDonald, and Nick Schultz have no business being in the playoffs on anything other than the 3rd pairing. Gudas is a nice 2nd pairing guy, and Gostisbehere is small rookie getting used to the playoffs. As a unit, they lose board battles way too much, and aren’t really all that good at break-outs.

    The Flyers’ D is badly overmatched in this (and probably any) series. And that keeps the forwards from showing their stuff. Can’t tell if Hakstol is getting outcoached (which would be fine, this is the year for him to take his lumps) and playing too conservatively, or if he’s got them overachieving. Doesn’t help to be missing Couts, either.

  422. 422 Bob Brewer said at 7:44 AM on April 23rd, 2016:

    Oh they’ve overachieved. In that division I have no idea how they made the playoffs. I love the plan they are pursuing. They still need more scorers. The D is coming.

  423. 423 GermanEagle said at 9:53 PM on April 22nd, 2016:

    Yes!! And we are we going back to the city of brotherly love.

  424. 424 ac134spectre said at 4:38 PM on April 23rd, 2016:

    Todd herremans, Trent Cole, Omar gaithier, Micheal Westbrook, Celek, Riley Cooper, Kurt Coleman, King Dunlap, Jason Avant, John Welborne… Trotter

    Plenty of great players out of the later rounds.

    If the QB move works out, it is a 10+ year move. If it doesn’t…. well… it is different with the contracts now.