More Moves

Posted: September 4th, 2016 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 320 Comments »

We found out who the Eagles cut to make room for the players they claimed on waivers. We also found out half of the practice squad.

Hart is a surprising cut. He was drafted to be a 3-4 DE, but made the transition to DT in the new defense and played well this summer. Hart was especially effective as a run defender. He had a very strong preseason. The Eagles turned out to be deeper at DT than they ever expected. Beau Allen played lights out and rookie Destiny Vaeao was very impressive as well.

I am surprised that the Eagles are sacrificing a DT so they can add a DB. The one place that does make sense is on STs. If Brooks is active on gamedays, he could help on STs. Hart would offer help trying to block kicks, but Brooks could be a core STer. This isn’t a case of the Eagles trying to get rid of Hart. They were impressed by him this summer. They could try to keep him on the practice squad if he goes unclaimed.

One person this does say a lot about is Vaeao. Clearly the Eagles are high on him. They didn’t want to cut him for fear he might get claimed. Vaeao is a very good fit for the Eagles defense and could be a key backup. He also has starting potential.

Turner is the cut that will get the most coverage, but it did make sense. One of the hardest things to do is evaluate preseason football. I can’t tell you how many guys I said were a lock for the roster over the years only to see them get cut. Some of the players did get picked up by other teams, but none had success. I’ve tried to learn my lesson and keep things in context. 

Turner played well in Training Camp and the preseason. He ran good routes and caught the ball well. He looked like a natural slot receiver. The problem is that he didn’t show enough speed or athleticism to get open on the outside. Remember the great catch vs PIT? The DB was all over him. You love the fact Turner made the crazy catch, but get concerned that he had no separation 20 yards downfield. Turner caught a few passes on shallow crosses. He was tackled by ILBs instantly.

Some team might claim Turner if they are looking for a slot receiver. I think the Eagles have a real good chance of getting him on the practice squad. Turner can play in the NFL but he’s going to be a role player. Having sure hands and running good routes are attributes you want in a receiver, but that’s not a guy you make a key part of the offense. At some point, you need playmaking ability.

Jason Avant
6-0, 212
40 – 4.62
VJ – 37 inches
3C – 7.02
SS – 4.19

Paul Turner
5-10, 193
40 – 4.55
VJ – 39 inches
3C – 7.25
SS – 4.31

Turner is almost 20 pounds lighter than Jason Avant, but is basically the same athlete. To put things in even more perspective, Jason Kelce did better in the 3-cone and short shuttle drills than Turner.

Yes, Turner played well this summer. But keep that in context. He wasn’t going against starting CBs. He was getting open based more on route designs than his physical ability. I don’t see Turner ever as a starting NFL WR. I’d love for him to prove me wrong and have a year where he caught 60 passes and had 8 TDs, but the chances of that happening are equivalent to Jimmy Bama winning a Pulitzer. Okay, that might be going too far, but you get my point. At his best, Turner is likely a 42-476-2 type of receiver. Teams need players like that, but they come after guys with playmaking ability. That’s why the Eagles wanted Bryce Treggs and were willing to waive Turner.

Some people have tried to make the argument that cutting Turner shows the preseason means nothing. That’s not true at all. Preseason results are very deceiving. Turner led the NFL in catches this preseason. But he had no TDs and only averaged 9.7 yards per catch. Treggs only caught 2 passes for 29 yards. Scouts and coaches studied the tape and saw Treggs show more explosion and athleticism than what they saw from Turner. They watched all the plays, not just the ones where the ball happened to go to the receiver. Turner had better results, but Treggs showed more ability.

It was fun to see Turner play well this summer and I hope he sticks around, but the Eagles made the right decision to go with Treggs.

C.J. Smith is another UDFA (like Turner) that surprised me with how well he played. Smith got some good pub during TC, but really got my attention when he picked off the pass in the end zone at the end of the Bucs game. That was an impressive play for a rookie in his first game. He only got better from there. And the Eagles wisely gave him more time and let him play against better competition.

The argument for Smith is that he has good ball skills and showed good coverage instincts. A big part of being a good corner is being smart and knowing what’s going on in front of you. Smith tackled pretty well and carried himself like a veteran. He absolutely looked like he belonged out there. Smith kept plays in front of him and got to the ball quickly. I don’t remember him giving up any big plays.

The downside for Smith is that he did give up a lot of underneath catches. You’d like him to be a bit quicker so he could break on the ball and make more plays. He did have 5 PDs, but that is with a lot of throws coming his way.

It sure looks like the argument came down to Eric Rowe vs Smith. Rowe did not have a good spring or summer, but is bigger, faster and more athletic. He has a higher ceiling and the Eagles aren’t ready to give up on him yet. Smith is another player I think the Eagles will want on the practice squad. I think he’s got the ability to play in the NFL. I’m not sure if he has starting potential. I can’t rule it out based on anything I saw.

Cutting Hart is my least favorite move here, but the Eagles are deep there so it does make sense. Turner and Smith are developmental guys that have some potential and you’d love to keep around for the future. The practice squad is perfect for them, assuming neither is claimed by another team.

*****

Speaking of the practice squad…

The Eagles like Greene a lot. I’m not as high on him, but there is something to be said for having a nasty, physical OG. Greene has to improve his footwork and pass protection before he can think of ever getting on the field in a real game.

I wasn’t sure if the Eagles would keep Cayleb Jones or Johnson. They went with Johnson, who is 6-1, 204 and ran a 4.39 at his Pro Day. That’s an excellent combination of size and speed. I didn’t see his speed on display much this summer.

Marshall feels like Darren Sproles in the making. Marshall played WR and RB at Oregon. The Eagles want him at RB, but as a player that can line up all over and do a variety of things. He could push for a roster spot next summer.

Shittu played lights out against the Jets. He was quick off the ball and disruptive. He’s not ready to play against starting caliber guys right now, but has the tools do develop. First order of business for him is getting bigger and stronger.

Watford is a former QB that showed promise. He has some size and got better as a receiver each week. He’s even willing to block and do the dirty work. I don’t have a good feel for his potential, but the Eagles saw enough there to want to keep him around as a developmental project.

We’ll likely get the other 5 members of the PS on Monday. I’m sure players who were cut today are part of the process and they need time to clear waivers before the Eagles can try to add them.

*****

In case you want thoughts on the players the Eagles claimed earlier today.

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  • A_T_G

    Any thoughts about the QB situation, Tommy? Greg floated an interesting name: Bryn somethingorother who tor he’d us last preseason as a Raven.

    • Fufina

      Think they will wait till after week 1 and will look to add a vet QB who would no longer have his entire year guaranteed.

      Not sure i am that interested as the eagles adding a young QB at this point. Will be the Wentz show for the next 2-3 years at least and they will look to draft a young cheap QB mid to late some time in the next 2 years to replace Chase. Taking a young developmental guy now does not really match the teams need in 2016 or timeline in the future

      • Greg Richards

        There aren’t really any veteran QBs out there worth a damn. T.J. Yates? Jimmy Clausen? I’d rather have a PS guy.

      • A_T_G

        I figure we have a staff built to train QBs, we are going to be in teaching mode, why not develop a guy that might turn into a draft pick in a few years? A journeyman inactive on game days does nothing for me.

        • Dave

          Howie said in his interview with Spadaro that most teams only carry 2 QBs, so what they are doing is becoming more standard, or something to that effect.

        • ICDogg

          Practice squad qb

          • A_T_G

            Sure. As long as he doesn’t get poached.

          • ICDogg

            Always a risk, but the QB would be poached to an active roster so it would take commitment.

          • A_T_G

            And he could ask us to match, couldn’t he?

          • D3FB

            Yes. Once on the PS players are free agents, so if a team wants to keep them they can up their salary to rookie minimum equivalent.

          • ICDogg

            He could.

    • ac134spectre

      I was reading about some people being unhappy with the move. I can’t believe we fleeced Minny for bradford.

      Plus we have two guys we want to play at the position.

      Also think they were fortunate/got lucky with Wentz over Goff.

      • PacificPurl

        Minnesota wasn’t fleeced.

    • A Roy

      Maybe Joe Webb is available…

  • Greg Richards

    I’m kind of surprised that the Eagles didn’t sign Quentin Gause to the PS. I thought he played relatively well this offseason. Maybe they’re looking for someone with a little more experience.

    • A_T_G

      There definitely seems to be a discrepancy between what fans Re seeing and what the staff is trying to do with LBs. it will be interesting to watch.

      • Dave

        Could it be that they think they’ll be in nickel a lot and only have three LBs on the field during 1st down?

        • Jarock

          Why sign Tully then? He’s a 2 down LB at best.

          • Dave

            Worried about Hicks injury history?

            Edit:. Maybe move Barwin in an emergency situation later in the season.

          • Jarock

            Worried about the lack of internal consistency to the logic. If you sign Tully due to Hick’s injury history, why not keep Goode given both Bradham and Kendrick’s history? Why sign a 215lb player to play LB and say, “we’re going to be mostly in nickel” if you only have two OLB on the team?

            Anyways . . . . no way for fans to answer these questions. Only time and what the Eagles actually do will tell.

          • Dave

            I like that the conversation is about depth, not starters. We’ve come a long way at LB over the years.

          • Greg Richards

            I’d say there’s a 90% chance Goode is back either later this week or after Week 1.

          • Jarock

            Probably. I worry someone else will scoop him up. I also don’t understand cutting him from the special teams aspect. He was very good on teams. We have two guys, Maragos and Braman, who are only making the team because of their special teams value. Both would be liabilities if actually asked to play.

            Kelly wore me out with his special teamers over possible regular players when depth kept biting us in the ass.

          • PacificPurl

            Why do you keep referring to a coach who is no longer here and has nothing to do with this team?

          • Jarock

            Because his fingerprints are still all over the team.

      • Greg Richards

        Doesn’t fit the “more experience” angle, but I noticed that the Bucs didn’t re-sign LB Luke Rhodes to their PS. He played really well in preseason and I have to think it was his own choice to sign elsewhere. William & Mary guy so Philly is closer to home.

        • D3FB

          He’s from the State College area too.

  • Ray888

    Kevin Hogan was mentioned as a possibility.

    • Greg Richards

      Signed with Cleveland’s PS.

      • Media Mike

        Is he on drugs?

  • SteveH

    Boooooooo.

    I honestly don’t know shit about the guys we signed to replace them but I love pulling for the home grown talent. The Taylor Hart move was puzzling though, I thought he looked really good.

    • Dave

      Maybe his injury was worse than let on by the team.

      • Jarock

        I’d think he’d have gotten an injury settlement then. I’m a bit surprised they let him go as I thought he played well this year.

        • Ray888

          Right, just saw that.

    • Media Mike

      I’m only puzzled by the fact that they weren’t able to recoup any compensation for him.

  • SteveH

    Here’s something that’s always kind of bugged me about cutting guys based on athleticism… The team is aware of Turners #’s before he even comes into camp, so why invite him at all if you’re going to cut him even if he plays lights out?

    I realize theirs a certain # of “camp bodies” in TC, but you’d think they would at least invite people that they would be willing to keep if they shock the world and play like gangbusters.

    • Jarock

      You make a good point, but I think they look at how the player plays as well as the statistics. As Tommy mentioned, Turner made some great catches, but was getting little separation on any plays. Sometimes guys play beyond their numbers. Jerry Rice is the classic example. Unfortunately, Turner’s #’s appear to be an accurate reflection of his ability to separate.

      • Dave

        Maybe Dougie values pass catching ability over everything else, unlike Chip.

      • SteveH

        I’m not going to bother looking it up but I feel confident that Jerry Rice had better measurables than Paul Turner.

        • Jarock

          He was bigger. Much bigger. I know for a fact Rice ran a 4.6 40 though which is nothing special. You’d never know it on game day though.

          Edit** I was actually generous. Took the time to look it up and Rice ran a 4.71.

          • Mitchell

            .2 seconds doesn’t mean much if you run an excellent route leaving the defender criss crossed and looking for his jock.

          • Jarock

            Agreed. As I said, they gave Turner the chance to show he could outperform his stats. Based on the lack of separation, he really didn’t. Yes, he caught everything thrown his way, but that was more a function of the routes than him beating guys.

            Rice is in a class by himself when it comes to play time vs. clock time. Not the only guy, but you’d never believe he ran 4.7 or anything close to it based on what he did on the field.

          • James Adair

            Did he really take it seriously though? He is much faster than that. Might even have a had an injury. The 40 wasn’t given as much weight in ’85 as it does today.

    • Anders

      I wouldnt call 11.9 YPC and zero TDs for lightning up. Also shameless plug from JasonB on BGN:

      “You know who led the entire in NFL in passing this preseason? Matt Barkley.
      You know who led the entire in NFL in rushing this preseason? Mack Brown.
      You know who led the entire in NFL in sacks this preseason? Marcus Rush.
      Anyone care to guess what these guys have in common with Paul Turner?”

      • Greg Richards

        At least Turner made his team’s initial 53-man roster.

    • deg0ey

      I think they kept Turner because he was a good #5 WR and if nobody with a higher ceiling became available then they were happy to keep him for a season and try to upgrade next year. They obviously liked Treggs more and decided he was worth bringing in instead so they made the move.

  • truehaynes

    Why cut turner and keep Andrews. I’m baffled by that

    • Jarock

      I don’t think any of the fan base is an Andrews fan. I’m not either for the record. All I can say is the coaching staff must feel he’s an adequate backup no matter what we think.

    • Media Mike

      Why keep Andrews period?

  • The 1st part of playmaking ability is CATCHING THE BALL. THe rest is crap. Every Paul Turner 8 yard reception helps move the chains. Every Josh Huff drop, or fumble helps the punter get paid. It’s dumb logic Tommy. I like you a lot. But that’s really dumb logic

    • Donald Kalinowski

      The problem is separation. The QB isn’t going to throw to Turner if he’s covered all the time. He essentially becomes a black hole on offense.

      • I don’t buy that. The QB isn’t gonna throw to a guy who continually drops the ball. He will throw to a guy who makes an effort and comes down with the ball consistently

        • Mitchell

          Thats describes no WR on the Eagles so it looks like they are in a bit of a pickle!

      • Look maybe Huff and Agholor turn the corner. But Right now you got 1 trustworthy WR-JMatt. Don’t know what you have in DGB. I’m watching the 9ers right now trying to get a grip on this Treggs kid, but through 3.5 quarters I haven’t seen him on the field

        • Jarock

          He’s been injured. That might have as much to do with why he was cut as anything.

          • BlindChow

            lol, even better!

      • Jernst

        He led the NFL in preseason receptions so obviously the QBs were throwing to him and he was getting some sort of separation.

        • Jarock

          Against deep scrubs. Watch the plays. Tommy even points it out. Crossing routes, he’d get tackled immediately. That great 1 hand catch, guy was right on top of him. Ball probably should not have been thrown there. Throwing to a guy who’s covered that closely is a recipe for picks. Didn’t Chase throw enough of those for you already?

      • BlindChow

        Great receivers aren’t great because there’s a 10-foot space around them every time they catch the ball. They’re great because you can throw them the ball even when they’re covered, and they still manage to catch it.

        (note: I’m not saying Turner is great, just that this constant refrain of “SEPARATION!” misses a key point about NFL level competition…it’s understandable as an Eagles fan because the last few years our QB’s were terrified of throwing into traffic and the opposing receivers always seemed to be wide open against our lousy CB’s.)

      • Stephen E.

        Wes Welker’s 40 time was 4.65 seconds. 3-cone 7.09. Shuttle 4.01.

        I must have imagined when he had 100+ catches multiple seasons. Brady couldn’t have been throwing at that slow little guy.

        • Jarock

          Look at those 3-cone and shuttle times compared to Avant’s and Turner’s. Welker lacks deep speed, but he’s quicker than a hiccup. One of the toughest covers in a short area in the nfl.

    • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

      Like Donald said, it’s a lot easier to teach someone to catch than it is to teach them to be fast and quick enough to get open.

    • Media Mike

      I don’t think Tommy’s logic is dumb, it just happens to rate catching the football lower than both you and I think it should.

      I’m in complete agreement that Josh Huff’s inability to hold onto a football is vile.

    • ChoTime

      I think it’s time to add Paul Turner to the Nate Iloa Hall of Game team.

    • FairOaks

      I think the general assumption is that you can always find WRs who can catch the ball. Yes, that skill was lacking on the team last year, and it was very comforting to see that skill wearing an Eagles uniform in preseason — and that’s what we want to see during the season as well, so he represented hope that we’d at least have one guy.

      Tommy’s point though that preseason production does not equate to regular season production. We all know that preseason W-L means zilch, but it’s often the same for players, too. Plays they can make against 2nd-4th stringers are not there for them in regular season games. Teams will look at *how* they got that result, more than the result itself — if they showed a particular athletic skill that will translate against starters, or if it was just because of playing lesser competition.

      Turner definitely has good hands, which after last year we are desperate to see on the field. He’s slow though, and not all that big, and it sure looks like he’d struggle a lot more versus starters. He might get you that five yard catch but he’s not often going to get you a whole lot more. There are usually a bunch of players on practice squads who can give you more — good hands with at least a little more speed, or good hands with better size so the skill will hold up versus more starting corners. The Eagles chose to see if they could find one. I hope they are right.

      I’m with you that the players on the roster have not demonstrated that basic ability much (Matthews dropping passes early in both his seasons, Huff and Agholor pretty much all the time, DGB an unknown) and that is paramount, but it usually not a difficult skill to find in the NFL. Tregg’s college highlight certainly look like he can make catches in traffic and run good routes, though again, that is substandard competition and you’d really like to see it against NFL talent. At best, he’s probably just a much faster version of Turner, and that’s probably what the Eagles are hoping for. And if he catches the Eagles dropsy disease, hopefully Turner could still be there on the practice squad.

  • Donald Kalinowski

    I’m surprised Dillon Gordon and Josh Andrews made the team. It seems like the Eagles are really uncertain about the interior of their line. Brandon Brooks hasn’t been impressive, Kelce might be undersized for Pederson’s scheme, and neither Seumalo, Wiz, or Barbe have done much to take the other G position.

    • Dave

      I think they see the athleticism in Gordon and are intrigued if he can make the switch like Peters (who is mentoring him).

      • Jarock

        I really like Gordon. He’s not ready to play yet, but he’s too athletic to risk cutting and watch someone else swoop him up. If they can find a role for him playing goal line FB, I won’t complain either.

        • Dave

          They can use him in 4 TE sets:-o

          • Media Mike

            I’d love to see that.

        • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

          I’m so happy that they cut Smith, Hart and even Turner over Gordon.

          Gordon might be special. Can’t say that about anyone else on the fringe.

    • Media Mike

      Gordon’s experience as TE allows you to move him around to a lot of places to created blocking mismatches.

      Andrews is brutal.

  • Donald Kalinowski

    Why hasn’t Lane Johnson been officially suspended yet?

    • Jarock

      Cause the NFL’s offices leak like a sieve. Never should have gotten the ‘Lane will be suspended’ news before the process was finished. Now, we all wait and wonder.

    • Media Mike

      The lack of clarity on that situation is abysmal.

    • Duracell

      Really hoping its delayed because it is getting negotiated down to 4-6 games.

      • deg0ey

        Not sure how that would work, the rule is pretty clear – second violation is an automatic 10 games. At this point, I think he either gets 10 games or he gets nothing.

        • Duracell

          Two reasons I think they might decide not to implement the full 10 games:

          1) His first suspension was for a substance that was no longer banned a year later.
          2) If his story is true, while he should have done more due diligence, he actively tried not to violate the policy.

          To avoid a potentially long appeal, I could see them negotiating the length down with the agreement that Lane won’t appeal. Probably wishful thinking.

  • GENETiC-FREAK

    Damn man a lot of peeps getting heated about Turner being cut lol Just like when RB Henry got the chop too.

    • Media Mike

      It just really sucks to see a guy produce at a high level, look better than other guys who were kept on the roster, but get shown the door.

  • to top it off, we’re cutting him for a kid who couldn’t make the 9ers roster? In case you haven’t noticed, San Fran is in bad shape at receiver.

    • Dave

      He is injured, that’s why he was cut. They wanted him for their practice squad.

      • DJH

        A little dagger at chip from Howie. Maybe.

        • Mitchell

          Making Howard an even better GM!

    • Steve Smegal

      Your whining over this is absurd

    • Dan

      So are we, whats your point?

    • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

      The guy cutting him also cut DeSean Jackson and refused to franchise Jeremy Maclin.

      It seems silly to ascribe even basic competence to his roster decisions.

      • Media Mike

        $14 mil for Maclin’s numbers last year would have been a steep price. Too steep.

        • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

          …you know that we would have been able to negotiate a longterm extension after franchising him, right?

          It just means that the Chiefs wouldn’t have been able to go after him.

  • Greg Richards

    Adam Schefter
    ‏@AdamSchefter

    2m2 minutes ago

    Bears have informed Pro Bowl kicker Robbie Gould that he is being released, league source tells ESPN.

    Wonder if Cody Parkey gets a job. He and Connor Barth are best guys available.

    344 retweets

    180 likes

    • Donald Kalinowski

      Parkey missed two extra points in a preseason game. I don’t see him getting signed right away

      • Greg Richards

        I’m pretty sure Parkey only missed one. In that same game, the Colts’ kicker also missed one.

        • BlindChow

          Actually, he saved his game right before the kick, and reloaded when he missed. He missed the 2nd one too.

          The rest of us don’t remember, of course, but he knows. He knows.

    • Media Mike

      That’s rough. Was Gould kicking that badly? I’m sure this had more with the cheap ownership of the Bears wanting to save $3.5 million at the position. What a joke.

  • Donald Kalinowski

    Wentz isn’t starting next Sunday. He played 1 full season at North Dakota State his junior year, played only 7 games his senior year, and only played 1 half a game in the preseason.

    • DJH

      This is true. Leaks of him starting are surely to put pressure on Browns. Doesn’t mean he won’t though.

    • Jarock

      Your personal belief and logic aside, almost every creditable source says he is barring his rib not being ready.

      I know he doesn’t have a bunch of snaps at either the pro or college level, but I still think he’s a better choice than Chase Daniel.

    • ChoTime

      God I hope they don’t throw that kid out there. Ever heard of David Carr?

      • HawaiianEagle

        Ever heard of Ben Roethlisberger

        • GermanEagle

          Ever heard of Wilson!

          • A_T_G

            Ever heard of Henshelweissenbruski?

            Exactly. Me either.

          • GermanEagle

            Cmon man. You can do better than that!

          • daveH

            Wonder if ALL ever heard of Richard Knutson Yurchin?

          • ChoTime

            Er…

        • GermanEagle

          Ever heard of Mariota?

        • ChoTime

          Who joined the best team in the league with the best D and a coach historically committed to the running game?

        • GermanEagle

          Ever heard of Winston?

        • GermanEagle

          Ever head of Tannenhil?

        • GermanEagle

          Ever heard of Carr?

      • PacificPurl

        EJ Manuel, Genoa Smith. Ruined. Terry Bradshaw. Number 1 pick, not starting, couldn’t stay on the field his first 2 tO 3 years.

        • stephenstempo

          EJ manuel and Geno Smith were absurdly overrated in a very very weak QB class.

    • GermanEagle

      You Doug P.?!

    • GermanEagle

      Dwarf.

  • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

    I think Avant would object to your calling them the same athlete.

    Avant was better by ~0.2 in both the shuttle and the 3-cone. That’s a massive, massive difference in the slot.

    • GermanEagle

      Dwarf. Again.

      • Call Me Carlos the Dwarf

        I’m YEW on BGN, if that justifies any of my cockiness.

        • GermanEagle

          Yew!!!

    • Media Mike

      Avant also waves his hands in the air like a moron every time he makes a 2 yard catch.

  • GermanEagle

    Eagles D will finish in top 5 this year. Book it now.

    • Jarock

      I believe the corners are better than most think, but I don’t think they’re that good. Top 10 would thrill me. Top 15 is more likely especially as I expect the offense to struggle leading to more possessions for the defense to deal with.

      • GermanEagle

        I like your insight. You’re certainly a half empty glass of guy and we need that here. Nevertheless I think the Eagles will surprise a lot of people. Including the national media.

        • ChoTime

          I think the Eagles are going to surprise you!

          • Jarock

            If they surprise GermanEagle, they’d need to be #1.

            Perspective. Eagles were 30th last season in total yards per game. 28th in points. Yards per play, which is the best measurement of last season’s D given Chip’s pace preferences, they were 21st.

            I’m predicting top 15 with top 10 possible and I’m glass half empty guy 🙂

          • ChoTime

            Surprise can come from a difference in either direction 🙂

            I am with you. They have a few good pieces, but not enough, and did not suddenly get some kind of talent injection this offseason. They have a rookie head coach and look to be playing a rookie QB at least sometime in the season.

            I’m predicting top 25. Hey… the Superbowl winner is top 25, too.

          • BobSmith77

            I’m interested too in the turnovers (which this defense was pretty good at under Davis finishing t-6 in 2014 and t-9 in 2015.

            Ditto the pass rushing stats especially on non-blitz situations.

          • Jarock

            Yards per play and 3rd down percentage are the best indicators of just how good a Chip Kelly defense really is imho. Turnovers are nice but are often a measure of how good your opponent is as much as how good your D is.

      • BobSmith77

        Top 10 is more reasonable but I agree with you. Notable improvement, some hiccups, and somewhere in the #10-15.

      • PacificPurl

        How can this be? The offense only struggled leading to more possessions for the poor souls on defense to deal with because of Chip! Right?

        • stephenstempo

          Yes this is 100% correct. Seeing more snaps can easily have an effect on yards per play. If you assign a % chance for any team to gain yards on a play then you have to factor in that a defense will then statistically be more likely to give up bigger plays just based on the fact that they see more plays and there are more opportunities to see X plays. A single 45 yard play in a game can have a big impact on the YPP.

      • Media Mike

        I’m smelling around 10th. I think 15th is too low given how bad a lot of teams are on D. Top 5 is a tad rich for my blood.

    • Media Mike

      Link? And how much will it cost me to book?

  • GermanEagle

    Let’s face it. It’s much better to face the Eagles future now with Carson at the helm than Chase frigging Daniels.

    Besides Carson gives a much better chance to win anyway.

    Go birds.

    • A_T_G

      And even if he doesn’t (yet) it will be more fun to watch him develop as we lose than to watch Chase as we lose.

      • GermanEagle

        Exactly.

  • Stephen E.

    Can Treggs actually catch a ball, or does he streak downfield like Agholor and let the ball bounce off his hands?

    Last time I checked, you can’t score if you don’t move the ball.

    • Jarock

      Watch the highlight reel. He made some nice catches there. Of course, Agholor’s college highlight reel is pretty too 😛

    • A_T_G

      Chip cut him, so almost certainly he can catch.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Bicknell certainly has no idea what a real NFL WR is supposed to look like
        ..
        Wonder how many position Coaches we have had who are more Incompetant than Bicknell? Can’t be many!

    • FairOaks

      In the highlight video, he can definitely catch (and in traffic). I’m just not sure about the “streaking” thing… way faster than Turner, but not an NFL blazer. He doesn’t have any shiftiness, so he’d have to be beyond the defenders to get much YAC. Highlight tapes also don’t show you how consistently he catches, which is what we liked about Turner, so jury out on that.

  • eagleyankfan

    Turner was good enough to be named on the 53. Then Egles grab a(who?) at wr and drop Turner. Now Turner isn’t even named to the PS?(maybe he has by now, but I haven’t checked). Anybody know how/why a guy on 53 gets dropped and not named on PS? (Since he was on 53, does he not qualify for PS?)

    • Jarock

      Has to clear waivers first.

      • eagleyankfan

        There are 2 wrs on PS already. Would they name 3?

        • Jarock

          Article I read about him being cut indicated they wanted to sign him to PS if he passed waivers. I think it’s where he belongs. Sad for him that he ‘made the team,’ only to get cut the next day. Not particularly shocked for the same reasons Tommy elucidated above.

        • BlindChow

          They might cut one if they get Turner.

        • D3FB

          Marcus Johnson is about to have a very bad day.

          • eagleyankfan

            Good news PT, you made the 53. Good news MJ, you made the PS. Um, bad news PT, you’re out. Wait, good news, PT, you’re in. Bad news MJ….lmfao….

  • BobSmith77

    Here’s a hot take – How has the better rookie season – Prescott or Wentz?

    2 weeks ago neither was going to get a ton of PT. Now it appears both will get the majority of starts this season if not almost all of the PT if they stay healthy.

    • ChoTime

      erm… let’s not go there.

    • Jarock

      Season? Wentz. Prescott won’t start the entire year 🙂

      Honestly, not certain, mainly because Dallas does have better skill players and o-line. Don’t think Prescott has Wentz’ upside though.

    • GermanEagle

      You dude needs to drink some cool aid.

      • BobSmith77

        Kool-aid? No thanks.

    • Anders

      I think Prescott will have a better season because the offense overall is better.

    • Media Mike

      Wentz.

      Prescott, in spite of the refusal of many to put his numbers into context, is still a Dan Mullen system “QB” who drops his eyes too quickly under a rush, doesn’t progress through reads, and seeks to run far more often than is appropriate.

      Pat Kirwan was trying to warn Cowboys fans about this the other day.

  • BobSmith77

    Everyone wants to open their Christmas gift in the shiny wrapping paper on Christmas Eve.

    I would wait at a minimum of Week 5. Let Daniel start the first 3 games and start Wentz after the Bye.

    • GermanEagle

      No. Thanks.

    • Jarock

      Wentz isn’t going to be appreciably more prepared after the bye. Slightly? Possibly. He needs to face real NFL defenses though if he’s going to improve. Sooner is better as long as he’s not getting killed. Don’t think Doug will let that happen.

    • Media Mike

      I would tend to agree in general, but the Browns and Bears are two tailor made opponents for a confident start to the season. Both are mostly bereft of talent and the Browns are “coordinated” by a village idiot. And now we catch an additional break week 3 in Bud Dupree being out.

      The only way this could be better if we played the Giants twice to start the year.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      God No!!! Whether or not THATS what’s best for Wentz, I need to maintain my sanity first and foremost.
      ..
      There already exsisted this narrative that philly Wasnt excited about this season… Hate to see how much worse it would get having to watch Chase for 3 or 4 Games
      ..
      Generally I would agree that waiting is what’s best for the kid… But I pay too much for Tickets to endure Chase Daniel at QB

  • Jarock

    Changing the subject a second. They really don’t play defense anymore in college. Texas upsets Notre Dame 50 – 47. That’s a fucking arena league score 😛

  • BobSmith77

    My friend is kind of pissed. He was able to get some mileage out of his old Hoying ‘7’ jersey that he put duct tape over and put ‘Bradford’ on the back in permanent white marker.

    It got plenty of cheers last year at the game we went to and even got the humorless security guards to smile.

    • Media Mike

      I have “7” Cunningham Vikings jersey. I’m not taping Bradford’s name over it.

  • eagleyankfan

    From Niners nations. When asked about “weakness” of Bryce Treggs:
    LeonPowe: Height, size, and a history of nagging injuries.

    • Jarock

      lol. Sounds like we got a winner. Good news . . . it’s Chip. We already know he can’t evaluate receivers.

      • eagleyankfan

        LOL. I had to double check to the date of the article to make sure it wasn’t after the move and someone had sour grapes. Article was from June…

    • Media Mike

      Another soft tissue soft player?

  • Cafone

    My list of favorite non-McNabb Eagles Quarterbacks who have started a game since 2000, in order:

    Michael Vick
    Koy Detmer
    Jeff Garcia
    Nick Foles
    Sam Bradford
    Kevin Kolb
    AJ Feeley
    Mark Sanchez
    Mike McMahon
    Vince Young

    • Fufina

      I liked Foles a lot lol – he impressed me in 2012 and was all in for the 2013 Folesanity run. Still angry about the Bradford/Foles trade, and i would be tempted to pick up the phone to Andy and offer a late rounder for Nicky 6 at this point lol.

  • mheil

    Some random thoughts/questions: 1. I wonder if they claimed any players that were awarded to other teams. They still need more LBS. 2. I think it is evidence that the bottom of their roster was weak that no one was claimed and only one was signed to another teams PS. 3. I was surprised by the Hart cut since he seemed to adopt well to the new D. I would have thought that Means, Andrews or Mills would have been cut before Hart.

    • Greg Richards

      I used to buy into the more players you have claimed on waivers shows the strength of your roster logic. But I’ve seen teams that ended up stinking have a good number of players claimed on waivers – including the 2012 Eagles.

  • Cafone

    Wait, so we only have four DTs now? Like Vaeao is now a rotation player on the 2nd line with Beau Allen?

    I don’t even know how to say his name yet.

    I spent too much time learning how to say Halapoulivaati Vaitai.

    • Cafone

      I guess Vinny Curry will play some DT too.

      • Fufina

        Yeah think we will see a lot of Vinny on 3rd down as a DT. Pass rush sets with Cox, Vinny, Graham and Barwin is a pretty tasty front 4.

        • Rellihcs

          Interesting because i’m not sure that will continue. Definitely a possibility though. I also think they like Beau and DVae so much, with Shittu on the PS that they really arent going “light” at DT.

          Plus with all the turnovers and 3nouts, we wont have much wear and tear on d this year:)

      • Gian GEAGLE

        Im sure we will see plenty of passing situations where we go with 3 DE’s and Cox regardless of how many DTs we have on the roster
        ..
        Heck schwartz even mentioned putting MS2, Barwin, Vinny, BG and Cox on the field in a 5 man line, so the defense has to guess if MS2 or if Barwin will be the man dropping into coverage, screwing with their blocking schemes

    • D3FB

      I guess you could say it was Destiny…

      • James Adair

        Or Density…

    • Gian GEAGLE

      “The Stripper” works for me

  • scratcherk

    In case you missed it, make sure to check out mmqb this morning about behind the scenes on the trade. Interesting read

    • Media Mike

      “But we worked too hard over the past three years to put all that time and energy into drafting and developing a solid core of this team. I was taken aback who they were asking for. Players who’d been in the Pro Bowl.”

      I’d love to know what teams were asking for which players.

      • D3FB

        It would’ve been Barr. He’s a monster and on a rookie deal.

        Harrison Smith just got a new big money deal that would’ve made it really hard to trade around.

        Maybe Everson Griffen. Contract is pretty tradeable and he’s consistent although he turns 29 in December.

        • Media Mike

          Cheeky asks if true.

          I still liked the idea of Clemmings. At this point I’d prefer him to the 2018 4th or 3rd.

          • D3FB

            I’d have taken Clemmings and Mackenzie Alexander over the deal we got.

          • Anders

            Based on the MMQB article, it sound like the Vikings said hard no to any good players.

          • Media Mike

            True, but sounded like their GM was griping about current pro bowl players.

          • Media Mike

            That would have been a 1 and a should have been 3.

          • Insomniac

            I’m expecting us to pick somewhere between 12-23 so I would have hated that trade.

          • Media Mike

            D3 liked Alexander enough to want him at 13 when we were there, so……….

          • D3FB

            I had both players graded out in that range in their respective drafts, sooooooo

          • Insomniac

            Clemmings + Rhodes, I would have done in a heartbeat. Don’t think Rhodes is Schwartz’s style though.

          • D3FB

            Alexander is though and can stick in anybodies hip pocket.

        • Anders

          Could also be Hunter

          • D3FB

            I’m sure teams asked about him but he wasn’t the aforementioned pro bowler.

          • Anders

            That is true.

  • Anders

    Talking DL, what happened to this guy (who seriously look like his head has been photoshopped on)
    https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/683/693/7_3693683.JPG

    • D3FB

      Got hurt early in camp and is not on the IR. So he was waived with an injury settlement.

      • Anders

        I figured as much and I also just wanted an excuse to post that picture of him.

    • Media Mike

      Soft player / family anyway. Father played at ND – SOFT! He went to Seton Hall Prep – SOFT!

      • D3FB

        Mike, are you ok with Penn Charter?

  • D3FB

    Pretty sure Josh Andrews continued presence means:

    1. Team thinks Lane is going to get suspended soon

    2. Wiz is going to be the starting LG when that happens. Seumalo doesn’t know C yet because he missed OTAs so you need a C off the bench. If Seumalo was starting you could get away with Tobin and Wiz as your backups.

    • Greg Richards

      Agreed. Then my guess is when Lane is suspended, Goode is re-signed.

      • Media Mike

        Not a bad two step.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        I thought the same thing, until we signed a ST linebacker from the Patriots… Bye bye Goode

    • Media Mike

      Study up Seumalo; we’ll need those skills at center in 2017!

    • Greg Richards

      Also, Seumalo is still coming off injury. They might have ?s about whether he’ll be ready for Week 1 and want a backup C active instead of having to swap Wisniewski to C and put Tobin in at LG. I think Tobin has been practicing exclusively at LT this camp.

      • D3FB

        Did Seumalo not play Thursday?

        • Greg Richards

          No, he didn’t.

    • Rellihcs

      I don’t follow – help me out here –

      We might lose our top RT/LT therefore keeping a bottom-tier interior OG/C backup is related? I haven’t heard a single thing about Andrews ever playing Tackle.

      Are all OL interchangeable? Or we are that bad at T depth that we’ll use back-up to back-up interior guys?

      • D3FB

        If Lane is out, then Barbre is the RT.

        If Barbre is the RT, then Wiz is the starting LG.

        If Wiz is the starting LG and Kelce gets hurt, it’s easier to bring Andrews off the bench than switch Wiz to C. None of the other backups know C.

        • Rellihcs

          Aha, complex domino effect. Got ya.

  • Media Mike

    For the fantasy players out there – thoughts on my team from my competitive league
    R Wilson
    G Tate
    J Brown
    L Miller
    J Stewart
    Gronk
    Derrick Henry
    Justin Tucker
    Eagles D

    Crabtree
    V Jackson
    TJ Yeldon
    J. McKinnon
    J Flacco

    • Greg Richards

      What do a bunch of football players have to do with fantasy play?

      Oh………forget I said that. Great team!

    • Rambo

      Nice squad. How many in the league? I am rolling with Philly D in my league too. I’m wondering if this qb change won’t affect them now. You think AP will go down this year? I see you have McKinnon stashed. Cut Flacco and add your favorite Eagle, KYB and call it a day!!!

    • anon

      you didn’t get keenan allen?

    • GermanEagle

      Great Rb, TE and D. Your WRs suck quite frankly though.

  • Greg Richards

    I’m not sure if it’s real or just fan rumblings/speculation, but I read on a Vikings board that the Eagles first asked for a 2nd and WR Stefon Diggs and when the Vikings declined that the two teams eventually agreed to the 1st and 4th deal.

    I think I like the deal the Eagles ended up getting more. If it’s a late pick then yeah getting Diggs might be better, but I think there’s a chance Minnesota implodes and we get a high pick.

    • anon

      players are better than picks imho

    • ICDogg

      Doesn’t seem true. Read MMQB today.

  • A_T_G

    One tale that seems lost in our worship of Howie is his masterful manipulation of the NFL in bringing the draft to Philly. Knowing they were still hesitant regarding the famous booing, Howie traded away our first rounder. As he e pecked, the league saw this as a safe opportunity to put the draft in Philly again. Days after they do, POW!, Howie gets us a first round pick to boo.

    • HawaiianEagle

      Sad that Dallas will have the first overall pick in Philly…

      • A_T_G

        Hopefully they take a fullback.

        Jerry is trying to put the band back together. He thinks he has Aikman, Irvin, Allen and now Smith. Maybe he goes for Moose in the first?

    • BlindChow
      • sonofdman

        Is that Ernie Sims?

    • ChoTime

      Once again, Howie wins the offseason.

  • D3FB
    • BlindChow

      That’s actually a good team to play with a backup, the Titans are perpetual garbage-dwellers. Gonna be hard to root for Demarco though…

  • Dave

    On behalf of Eagles fans everywhere, I would like to thank the greedy GMs discussed in the MMQB article this morning. If it weren’t for them asking for a 1st round pick plus a young impact player for their backup QBs, Minny would never have given Howie a 1st and 4th for Sammy.

    • scratcherk

      Who do you think the other qbs were that they inquired about?. Kap?

  • A_T_G

    Also based on the MMQB (really, go read it) our 2018 conditional pick is based on playoff performance this season. Our first rounder obviously is based on record. So, we want the Viking either to lose big and miss the playoffs by a wide margin, or go deep into the playoffs. First round exit would be worst case.

    • Greg Richards

      If the Vikings do somehow make the playoffs, loan them Fletcher Cox in disguise. 2nd round pick guaranteed.

      • A_T_G

        But won’t we need Fletch for our own playoff run?

        Yeah, ok. Nevermind.

      • Gian GEAGLE

        That Vikings defense is nasty already

    • GermanEagle

      I don’t want to spill your beans, but that’s kinda old news. Happy Labor day!

      • A_T_G

        I hadn’t seen the conditions on the conditional pick.

        • GermanEagle

          No worries mate. Was a lot of posts going on yesterday. 🙂

  • Greg Richards

    Per nfldraftdiamonds, the Eagles are signing former Broncos’ OG Aaron Neary to the practice squad. Neary reportedly looked good in Broncos’ training camp, at least early:

    http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/13/denver-broncos-udfas-rookie-o-lineman-aaron-neary-could-make-team/

    Don’t know why the Broncos didn’t sign him to their own PS. He’s undersized at 6-4, 284 coming out of college. We already have 11 OL on active roster. Now 2 on PS. I’d think Lane suspension is coming soon.

    • D3FB

      Both their C’s are young, Garcia one of the starting G’s played C at Florida, Connor McGovern alot of people thought may be best at Center long term. They’ve got alot of options on the interior.

  • Greg Richards

    Adam Caplan
    ‏@caplannfl

    2m2 minutes ago

    #Eagles are adding LB Don Cherry (Villanova) to their practice squad.

    9 retweets

    8 likes

    • Greg Richards

      Cherry might end up being a good practice player for the scout team but doesn’t seem to have the athleticism to ever be on the 53.

      • GermanEagle

        Don’t understand why him over Gause.

        • Anders

          Gause is on as well

          • GermanEagle

            Ha! Awesome. Is our PS full now?

        • Rellihcs

          Well… why not both (’tis the case).

          And a FB to boot.

  • Dominik

    https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/772796515018481664

    Does this mean Turner and CJ Smith didn’t clear waivers? Good enough for the 53, but not good enough for the PS wouldn’t make much sense to me.

    I read that even Hart would be PS eligble.

    • Rellihcs

      Well “good enough for the initial, doesn’t last a full 24hours 53” isn’t really “good enough for the 53″…

    • Rellihcs

      Still one spot so it doesn’t mean those 3 are definitely out. They could also drop someone who’s already on.

    • FairOaks

      It’s possible that if they get Turner, they would release one of the other WRs already on the squad.

      There might be some reasons you’d want someone on the 53 and not the PS (one-year solution where you don’t believe in a player long-term but he can help you this year due to a skill lacking elsewhere). But given the statements that the Eagles wanted them on the PS, yeah, it might indicate that one or more got claimed. I would not be surprised in the least if Hart got claimed.

      • Greg Richards

        It’s kind of weird that they wouldn’t save spots for those 3 until they cleared waivers. Adding PS players that 1 or 2 of those guys have been claimed elsewhere. If they do cut someone else off PS to make room for those 3, I’d think it would be one of the 7 guys that were already in camp with the team. Don’t think they’d fly in Bonnett and Neary for one practice and then cut them this afternoon to make room. It’s also strange that we haven’t signed a real PS QB. Watford played QB in college and might be able to do some scout team work, but when you only have 2 QBs on the roster you need a legit prospect QB on the roster to elevate if you have an injury.

        • FairOaks

          Yeah you’re right — they need a QB on the practice squad. And that’s the one spot left. I could see dropping a WR for Turner (would you really want 3 WRs on the practice squad?), but less sure about spots for the other two.

  • Rellihcs

    Oh wow – the FB is not a stranger to the QB…and we’ll recognize the dude from highlight reals…. vewy interesting….

  • GermanEagle

    Nice to meet you, Paul burner Turner. Wish you do well, unless you’ve been claimed by the Cowboys, Giants or Redskins that is.

  • Rellihcs

    Per Les Bowen, 4pm is when Turner, Hart, Smith can clear waivers. But people are pulling hairs out over Turner not being on our PS right now…

  • The original AG
    • Bert’s Bells

      Wow. Of course the “reality” depends on what the Eagles do with the draft picks but from an abstract “value” point of view that’s an incredible fleecing.

      • FairOaks

        Of course, that may average in all of Bradford’s stats last year, which include his atrocious start. Bradford was much better the last 9 games, especially the last 3, which is what you’d want to see for a guy coming off large injuries in a new offense.

        The Vikings were set up to win now, and Bridgewater going down would have sabotaged this season, and possibly the next. They were desperate, so they did overpay some. But if they get the latter-half Bradford, it could turn out well for them. They will also have a much, much, much better running game than the Eagles did last year, and a better defense, meaning he can be more of a game manager, and they may not need to throw the ball downfield that much.

  • Greg Richards

    Giants signed QB Josh Johnson and released veteran MLB Jasper Brinkley.

  • Greg Richards

    Ed Reynolds signed with the Browns’ practice squad.

    • Rellihcs

      Enough time left for Undlin/Schwartz to change all the verbiage?

      • Greg Richards

        Schwartz doesn’t use any verbiage. His game plan is “kick their ass”.

        • Rellihcs

          Touche.

    • Insomniac

      Poor guy.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Did Jordan Poyer make the Browns roster again? They did well poaching him off of us

      • James Adair

        LOL He is starting

  • Aaron

    what are your guesses for wons and losses this year, im at 5 and 11, lose alot of close games, the D will keep them in most games I believe, but wentz will struggle badly

    • The original AG

      I think it depends on the receivers. If they don’t drop the ball as much as they did last year, they could get to 6 or 7 wins. If they do, 4 wins?

    • Greg Richards

      19-0.

  • FairOaks

    Peter King got quotes from both GMs on how the Bradford trade went down:

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/09/04/sam-bradford-trade-minnesota-vikings-philadelphia-eagles-nfl

  • D3FB

    Neary’s got pretty decent college tape

    LG against Oregon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co8X-mOIsxk

  • Greg Richards

    Pederson confirms Wentz will start Sunday. Here we go!

    • SteveH

      Helllll Yeaahhhh… Are we not entertained!?!?!

      • Bert’s Bells

        The best thing about being an Eagles fan for the past few years -maybe they haven’t been a good football team, but they’ve been exceptionally entertaining.

        • SteveH

          It’s definitely not late 90’s Eagles who were both terrible and boring.

    • Gian GEAGLE

      #Hype!! #TeachMeHowtoDougi..

  • Greg Richards

    Brandon Lee Gowton
    ‏@BrandonGowton

    17s17 seconds ago

    Pederson said Eagles have a plan to bring in a 3rd QB at some point soon.

    0 retweets

    0 likes

    • Gian GEAGLE

      He said they were probably going to look for a kid to put on Practice squad

      • Greg Richards

        Didn’t really specify PS. Just said add one at some point. Could be 53, could be PS.

        • Gian GEAGLE

          He said Practice Squad, but maybe I missed him say something about possibly adding one to the 53 man roster earlier..
          ..
          Im sure it will Probably depend on the caliber of QB they can get their hands on.. If a QB is good enough to take a regular season roster spot, great… If not, they will probably look for a kid to go on the PS

          • Rellihcs

            He also said Wentz will sit all year. Doug’s comments are never set in stone.

          • FairOaks

            Well yes if we trade a player ahead of him for a 1st round pick out of the blue, I’m sure they’d be moved to the 53…

  • SteveH

    Read that Peter King piece on the Bradford trade… I wonder if this ends up being the rare win-win. I think Bradford once he settles in there will play ok for them, not pro bowl but solid.

    This really comes down to Wentz, if he lives up to expectations and we get those draft picks as well, then it really doesn’t matter what Bradford does in Minny does it ?

    • anon

      bradford reuniting with shurmur, think between shurmur and norv they can come up with a good system in short order

      • SteveH

        Still will be growing pains with the new receivers but yeah he’ll be up to speed in a few games. I anticipate that he will be a solid replacement for Teddy.

        Sam is not so awful as his worst detractors would say, but he’s definitely not as good as people quoting his stats over the last 7 games last year would have you believe. He is what he is, a reasonably solid middle of the road starter. But, in Minny he has a strong run game and defense to help him, so he should have some success.

        • anon

          for a guy coming into a new system, no offseason, 2 years lost due to injury i thought he got his shit together pretty quickly.

    • Bert’s Bells

      I’d wager that Bradford puts up middling statistics, a 90 QBR and the Vikings still win a bunch of games behind AP and the D. He’ll check down enough passes to look like a legit NFL starter.

      • SteveH

        Yeah I think on that team he doesnt have to be a superstar for them to be successful.

      • Fufina

        They will go 11-9 make the wild card and get bounced in the wild card round with Bradford failing to lead a last minute drive due to checking down on 3rd down.

        • D3FB

          11-9? The hell kind of record is that?

          • Fufina

            hahaha not entirely sure… 11-5 even

      • deg0ey

        Statswise he was better than Peyton last year and the Broncos won it all, so he can definitely be ‘good enough’ on a team that’s primarily built on AP & D.

    • FairOaks

      If he does well in Minny, that may move the 2018 pick up to a 2nd rounder. So I’m sort of rooting for that. (And the Vikings may be able to trade him after the season themselves.)

      So yes, this really comes down to Wentz. Getting the resources back for Bradford means we won’t have invested quite so much that way though. If he is a viable franchise QB, then we are in pretty good shape.

      The risky question is if Wentz is the kind of guy who was better served sitting on the bench for a year, or being thrown into the fire. There are lots of examples of each way.

    • BlindChow

      Personally, I’d prefer a higher 1st round pick from the Vikings next year, even if Wentz plays well.

  • Greg Richards

    Novice fantasy players rushing to elevate Wentz on their draft board………Looks at Eagles’ receivers…….Drops him back down.

    • Fufina

      Only place you draft him is in a dynasty league. I love Wentz the prospect but rookie QB, in this scheme and with his supporting cast is not going to put up worth while fantasy numbers early.

      If he is playing well he might be a guy you grab off waivers for a specific match up later in the year if your starter is playing someone like the Broncos.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    I been so worried about the possibility of Wentz not being ready for the Browns game…I can’t picture anything more deflating than waiting for football to start, only to be subjected to Chase Daniel starting in the openor.
    .
    doug made it offcial that Wentz is starting sunday, so I can finally get excited for Sunday in peace. Big relief

    • anon

      will be interesting, at least he gets an easy game first. he’s got a tough schedule this year and not a ton of help.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    I hope the Browns have to answer questions about all the shit they talked publically about Wentz, if the kid goes out there and has a solid game, beating the Brown… I want Wentz to stick it to the Browns so bad!!!

    • Fufina

      I expect Wentz will go out and put on a show – teams have 0 tape on him and they should be able to game plan some fun exotic things early to knock the Browns off balance.

      Don’t think people have talked about how stupidly young and unexperienced the Browns roster is… they had 13 draft picks, stick on the roster and claimed 5 cuts from other teams. They have 17 rookies, 28 players with 2 years or less of NFL experience on the roster and 40 guys with 4 or less. People got excited with RG3 making some plays when teams were not scheming or spying on him with Josh Gordon playing and there is a narrative that developed that they are not some kind of dumpster fire.

      They are – they have the worst roster for 2016 in the NFL, and may be one of the worst teams in NFL history by the end of the season.

      • RobNE

        Some might say they are tanking.

  • GermanEagle

    Welcome to Wentzadelphia!

    • Gian GEAGLE

      Hopefully the players are taking this well. Pederson said the players are excited because they have seen what Wentz can do… But he wouldn’t tell us that the players are upset even if it was true..
      .

      • Bob Brewer

        I get the trepidation about a rookie starting, but if you’re a vet are you really pining for Chase Daniel?

        • Gian GEAGLE

          Noooooo. Absolutely not…. I meant hopefully the players aren’t too down on trading away Bradford. With SAM gone, im sure they will back Wentz over Chase. Players don’t care that we got a first round pick for Bradford. Players want to win games Now

      • Rellihcs

        So you’re suggesting that there is a player on the team that would prefer Daniel over Wentz? (not named Chase)

    • Rellihcs

      What state is that in? Ohio? Wentzylvania?

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  • Gian GEAGLE

    We should open the season going Play action BOMB down the sideline to DGB.. Browns would never expect us to let Wentz go deep on his first pass. They would probably eat that play action fake up since they probably expect us to hand the ball off to start the game and ease Wentz into the offense..
    ..
    Fuck it, uncork that big arm of his and Go Deep right away… DGB! DGB! DGB!

    • A_T_G

      Well, they will be expecting it now. You know Joe Banner is all over these comments and feeding the Browns.

  • A_T_G

    Could adding a QB be slotted for the spot Lane is going to open up shortly?

    • Gian GEAGLE

      The NFL HASNT even ruled on Randy Gregory suspension yet(apparently the news of his reduced suspension was bogus) and he failed his test in Febuary, like 4 months before We got word of Lane’s failed test…
      ..
      This process probably won’t be resolved fast enough to wait for a decision from the NFL before we get our roster straight
      .
      Hopefully the NFL gets its head out of its ass and makes some rulings by Friday

      • A_T_G

        Lane might not appeal it.

    • Fufina

      If he appeals it it could be months before he is suspended if at all. Process can take 8-12 months to work its way through.

      • A_T_G

        There is a report today that Lane said he is undecided on whether he will appeal or not.

      • A_T_G
        • deg0ey

          Makes sense – we’re probably not making a deep run this year whether he plays or not. If he doesn’t expect to actually win the appeal then it’s not like there’s much point in just delaying the suspension into next year when we might actually have a chance to compete.

  • Gian GEAGLE

    Hopefully Wentz is ready to protect himself… He can’t be taking crazy hits now

    • Anders

      The hit that got him was a free blitzing CB where he did the right thing

  • ChoTime

    Sit or start? Some very juicy analysis:

    “But starting a high draft pick QB as a rookie generally led to a lower passer rating from him and worse win percentage in years 1, 2 and onward as compared to the QBs who are given the chance to develop and learn from the sideline.”

    ” But overall this tends to show that we are certainly not in the midst of a QB “era” where lots of great prospects are pouring into the NFL, forcing teams to start the less expensive and better option.”

    “Also probably unsurprising, the players who were held out and groomed saw their passer rating significantly higher in their first year of action than those who started their rookie season. ”

    “With very limited sample sizes, its evident that teams improve their win rate immediately by starting a high draft pick as a rookie. BUT, they don’t become winning teams that first year. They still average sub-.500 records.”

    “For quarterbacks drafted in the first round of the draft over the last 4 years, we’ve seen them average their first start before their 4th game (3.7 games).”

    “”I think this trend aligns very closely w/ head coach job security”, Joe noted. “Head coaches seem to have less time to develop players so they are playing into that trend by playing younger guys earlier when maybe they should be sitting them for a few more games. There’s a saying to college players coming to the NFL: ‘Everyone just got better except you’.””

    ” What we see is a downward trend in passer rating with when a QB takes his first start in the NFL.”

    http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/when-to-start-your-rookie-quarterback-050715

  • EaglesGameBalls

    Told you Bradford wouldn’t be on this team.