Draft Talk – Mixon Up and Moving Down

Posted: April 23rd, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 175 Comments »

Joe Mixon has been getting a lot of attention recently. Is he on the Eagles draft board? Is he too toxic to touch? None of us know for sure, but the vibe among smart writers seems to be the Eagles are keeping an open mind.

How can they do that? He’s a scumbag, right?

This is where we need some nuance. To some of you, hitting a woman is completely unacceptable and that labels him for life. Scumbag. End of discussion. I certainly get where you are coming from. Not everyone will see it that way. Mixon isn’t a guy with a pattern of bad behavior. He has a horrible incident, but it seems to be one of a kind. To some people, that makes a huge difference.

Compare Mixon to Dalvin Cook, another top RB in this class. Cook was involved in multiple incidents in high school. He was involved in multiple incidents in college. He hasn’t come across well in all of his meetings and interviews with NFL teams. No one is comparing him to Hitler or Charles Manson, but there is a pattern here. As much as you love Cook’s game tape, you have concerns about him as a person.

Mixon has actually impressed some teams with his interviews. He does not have a string of incidents in his past. He’s doing a good job of trying to sell himself to NFL teams. Not all are buying, but things seem to be going better than I would have anticipated.

The Mixon incident is especially troubling because we all saw it. He punched a girl, breaking 4 bones in her face. Even though time has passed since that horrible event, it isn’t going to be forgotten any time soon. You can’t un-see something like that.

Paul Domowitch wrote a good piece on Mixon and his situation.

Mixon’s dream of ever being a first-round NFL pick went out the window the moment he threw that punch. However, his dream of playing in the NFL still is very much alive.

With the help of his agent Peter Schaffer, Mixon has done an impressive job of refurbishing his image in recent months. And while some teams have taken him off their draft board, many others haven’t.

“I think he’s going to go in the second or third round,” NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said. “There’s an ownership conversation involved with him. Some owners have already told their people to take him off the board.

“But he’s made visits to nearly 20 teams. He did a very smart thing by hiring (Schaffer) who’s a respected agent. Schaffer attacked it head on instead of trying to hide from it. They have controlled the narrative from Day 1.


Mixon was smart to hire Schaffer. He’s one of the league’s most respected agents. He has represented some of the league’s best players, including Hall of Famers Jerome Bettis, Barry Sanders and William Roaf.

He has represented several former Eagles players, and always has had a good relationship with the organization, including executive vice president of football operations Howie Roseman.

If anybody can convince the Eagles that Mixon is worth the PR hit they would take by drafting him, it’s Schaffer.

“There’s no question that the people you associate yourself with factor in to your character and your background,” Roseman said Thursday. “We’ve had conversations (about other players in the past) where we’ve wondered, why did he hire that guy? He’s got enough questions here and he goes and hires that guy. He’s not helping himself.

“But there are a bunch of agents in this league that have tremendous character that do really well for their players. They’re about helping their players. Peter’s done that. It certainly helps when you look at the complete picture and see who they’re entrusting their career to.”

My guess is that Mixon gets taken before the Eagles even have a shot at him. The Eagles have pick 43. Cincy is 41 and the Saints are 42. Both could use a RB and both have shown a willingness to roll the dice on character. Mixon could get taken before that even. I wouldn’t spend too much time getting fired up if you are anti-Mixon.

Still, it will be interesting to see what happens if he is on the board when the Eagles pick. Mixon would be an excellent fit for the offense and Eagles management saw the impact that Ezekiel Elliott had on Dallas last year. That’s not to say Mixon would do the same thing for the Eagles, but his impact could be enough that the reward is worth taking the risk.

Someone is going to take Mixon. He’s just too talented and NFL teams are desperate to win.


Very interesting nugget from Dave Spadaro.

It seems very unlikely that the Eagles are going to move up in the first round. The Eagles want to maximize their eight selections. If anything, they are probably more likely to move down in the first round – and in the rounds thereafter – to acquire more picks.

I am completely on board with this thinking.

I would love to see the Eagles move back to the 18-20 range and add a 3rd round pick. The Eagles would then be choosing from a group of players I still like a lot, but at a better spot for value.

CB Kevin King
CB Tre’Davious White
DE Charles Harris
WR Corey Davis
WR John Ross

They could even consider these players.

CB Adoree Jackson
DE Taco Charlton
DE Jordan Willis

I would be a happy camper if the Eagles could trade 14 and get one player from the top group along with a 3rd round pick. The more picks you have this year, the better.

I know some people hate moving back. The Eagles have had mixed results with it in the past. They usually moved back from the 20’s to the 30’s. Moving from 14 to the late teens or early 20’s is different. I also have faith in Joe Douglas and his scouts to help the Eagles find some real talent this year.

Some of you want the Eagles to go get an impact player. Okay. Who? I don’t see any guy in the Top 10 that is worth spending extra picks to go get. I like plenty of the players who will go early, but I don’t see guys the Eagles can afford or who will be worth the price. Myles Garrett is great, but he’s out of the Eagles price range. I like Derek Barnett quite a bit, but not enough to move up for him.

If the Eagles could move up a spot or two for a top DB, okay. That’s worth it. But aggressively going after Marshawn Lattimore or Gareon Conley in such a deep CB draft doesn’t make sense to me.


One interesting late round pass rusher is Evan Schwan from Penn State. I expect the Eagles to add someone early or in the mid-rounds, but Schwan would be a good late round target. He’s 6-5, 261. He emerged as a Senior, racking up 5.5 sacks, 31 tackles a FF and a couple of pass deflections. Schwan ran 4.68 at his Pro Day. Did 19 reps, 31.5 VJ and  4.39 SS. Not great numbers, but enough to get your attention. He is a late bloomer and he can still get better.


175 Comments on “Draft Talk – Mixon Up and Moving Down”

  1. 1 T_S_O_P said at 3:26 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The Mixon debate is always going to cause contention. There was a great summation on BLG, and I know you support good writing Tommy. http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/4/20/15370436/the-people-vs-joe-mixon My take, if there was video evidence for all the players that had committed them, they’d be less employed players, including AP, DGB etc. The PR in all of his is bigger than whether Mixon’s is sorry or reformed. His drafting, where ever he lands, will cause fans to question their loyalty. If he then is successful, particularly as a human but also as a football player, a lot will return. I think he needs to be more than a good player to be worth the risk, and more than a repentant human too.

  2. 2 xmbk said at 7:03 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The fact that other players “got away with it” because there was no video is faulty logic. Wrong is wrong, and if you get caught you deal with the consequences. What happens when people can start doing whatever they want, because there are no consequences?

  3. 3 T_S_O_P said at 8:36 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I wasn’t making that link. I agree that wrong is wrong. The point is, that video evidence means the consequences are different. Had it not been caught on camera, the punishment served would have sufficed in the opinion of most of the general public. I’m not saying that’s right, I’m just making that observation.

  4. 4 laeagle said at 12:13 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think what he was saying, and I agree with it, is that there’s a difference in perception when people see the actual act. Ray Rice’s incident was a perfect example.

    And I also agree with you, in that wrong is wrong. The Ray Rice incident is also a perfect example. We all knew that he had knocked out his fiance. It was described that way. But when the video showed it actually happen, the outrage intensified. And yet, it was still bad in the first place.

    I think you may be thinking that TSOP _supports_ the idea that this happens. I think he’s merely pointing out that it’s a truth, whether we like it or not. I still think one of the biggest examples of Goodell being a terrible leader and a chickenshit moralist was when he gave out an additional penalty to Rice. He already knew all the details of the case. But when people saw the video, he acted all high and mighty and added another suspension. I actually supported Rice on principle when he fought the second suspension. If you knew the severity of the crime and were really upset, then you should have addressed it with the first suspension.

    Bottom line, video doesn’t make a crime better or worse. But it does change perception, and unfortunately, with the weak leadership in place in the NFL, and people’s propensity to feed on outrage rather than think clearly about what their principles really mean, we have situations like this.

    I also agree that if anyone had seen the video of AP “disciplining” his child, that sick motherf-er would never work again. Oddly, I don’t think the same would be true with DGB; as I understand it, the girl was knocked down as he was trying to run around her. Not great, but not the same as “let me throw this woman down a flight of stairs!”

  5. 5 Ankerstjernen said at 4:16 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’ve been a pretty vocal anti-Mixon commenter a few times in here. Not because I am against signing players who have done something wrong (I was pro-Vick, among others), but because I feel strongly, that a player needs to rehabilitate himself and his image, public trust, accountability, etc. BEFORE he is handed a second chance and a golden opportunity by the sports team I like to root for. Vick did that, and I could believe in him and cheer for him on this team without reservation. Mixon did not seem to be into that, rather he appeared to shy away from the story and hope that everyone would forget. So. I am mildly pleased to see that he (with some help from what appears to be a good agent) is now coming out to face this story and say the right things. Of course its hard to tell how sincere he is, and issuing a statement crafted by your lawyers is not worth a lot of credibility. But at least he is now on the radar and that is a small step in the right direction. Lets see what happens. For the record I’d be less comfortable with Cook than Mixon, in any round.

  6. 6 Dave said at 7:21 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Mike Vick was release from Prison on July 20th and signed a $1.6M contract by the Eagles on August 13th. He didn’t rehabilitate himself and his image, public trust, accountability, etc. BEFORE he was handed a second chance and a golden opportunity by the sports team. He had the benefit of Tony Dungy, who approached Vick while in prison, standing up for him.

  7. 7 A_T_G said at 8:49 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Interesting point. We forget Vick was absolutely a PR headache and risk when we signed him. He hadn’t proven he had changed, but he had paid his debt.

  8. 8 Dave said at 9:03 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’m not so sure if Vick gets a 2nd chance without Dungy making the effort he did.

  9. 9 ColorSgt said at 9:09 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    At least not so quickly. Might have been a long road back, but I think some team would have made room for Vick’s talent eventually.

  10. 10 laeagle said at 12:06 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Which raises the question, who’s the Dungy doing the same for Mixon? Who is putting himself on the line to stand up for the guy? His agent? That doesn’t count; he’s improving his bottom line.

    I am slightly moved by the fact that his coach and teammates sort of stick up for him, but that’s a far cry from someone doing what Dungy did for Vick. And coaches and teammates in the NCAA have a long and storied history of sticking up for turds.

  11. 11 Media Mike said at 12:15 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Given Dungy’s rank hypocrisy on marriage rights, I actually give folks more points for avoiding Dungy’s support than getting it.

    But I 100% agree with your question on where are Mixon’s credible backers.

  12. 12 laeagle said at 12:17 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think we share that opinion.

  13. 13 Wrongthink said at 2:09 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The coaches do it so they can get the next talented degenerate.

  14. 14 Media Mike said at 9:05 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I booed at the pre-season game when the news broke. I was livid and still wish that Vick had played elsewhere.

  15. 15 ColorSgt said at 9:50 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I respect your position. I believe in second chances. Vick paid his time and came out a different person and was sorry for what he did. I feel what he has done since has been very positive towards putting an end to dogfighting. I’m glad the Eagles were the team to give him that second chance. As a person I have respect for him. As a football player, his talent was off the charts but never put in the effort to play intelligently. He could have been elite. Its hard to respect him as a player when he didnt want to apply the smarts to his game.

  16. 16 Ankerstjernen said at 12:20 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think you remember this wrong, respectfully. As I recall it, Vick began to show remorse and reflection even during the trial and continued his display of remorse during his time in prison, which he did by the way without ever complaining once or get into any sort of trouble. He didnt just begin speaking out about these things once he had done his time and wanted another job. If he had, I suspect he would not have been signed by the eagles – or endorset by Dungy for that matter – like you state. So, I fundamentally disagree with your account of this whole process.

  17. 17 A_T_G said at 12:24 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    A lot of people chalked that up to talk from a broke ex-con looking to get rich again. The Eagles lost some fans when they signed Vick. Last season someone told me they haven’t watched since the Eagles signed that dog killer.

  18. 18 Media Mike said at 12:27 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Not 100%

    There was this stupidity that most likely violated his parole, but folks decided to be nice about things.


  19. 19 Dave said at 3:59 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Dungy met with Vick in May, 2009. Dungy said he also met Vick on a second occasion and had spoken to him on the phone several times while in prison. Vick was released in July 2009. Dungy then agreed to mentor Vick as part of the quarterback’s conditional reinstatement to the NFL.

    My account of the process was taken from the link below, which was posted on the NFL’s website.


  20. 20 Ankerstjernen said at 4:12 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Interesting, thank you.

  21. 21 FairOaks said at 11:45 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Mixon is certainly going to pay for it to some extent — without that, he would have been a first round pick and substantially richer. At least that is (likely) not going to happen — picking him in the first round after an incident like that would send the wrong message (same goes for Cook, most likely). So, to get a really big contract, both players are going to have to prove themselves over four years. That is at least some consequence for their actions. And hopefully the courts don’t look the other way either.

    It is a little much to say that a person who commits a crime should no longer be allowed to work in the profession they have the most talent at. He *is* going to be employed by the NFL next year. I would be happier if he was picked by another team — unless of course we pass on him to take a bust instead, and he turns out to have cleaned up his act ;-). But if we pick a good CB instead, just fine with him playing elsewhere.

  22. 22 Wrongthink said at 4:27 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    So you’d tell your mother or your daughter after she had her face caved in, “Now hold on a second sweetheart, let’s just consider the NUANCE of this situation before we condemn this nice young fella!”

    What a fucking joke. No wonder you published this shit in the dead of night. Is this part of your contract with the team, Tommy, that you have to publish garbage like this?

    Everytime this guy carries the ball any fan with any decency left in them will think of this animal attacking that defenseless girl, and feel disgusted. Paying this guy millions of dollars is an affront to any sense of basic morality. What price has the guy paid for this? He’s gonna be a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st round pick? The money he’s probably had to promise the victim as part of the settlement fee?

    Yeah, he’s really facing it head on, allright. Ohh he hired an AGENT, WOW! Has he given an interview? No, of course not, he might fuck it up and that could cost him some money. But he’s facing it head on. This isn’t the first time it’s happened either, there were allegations he did the same thing in high school.

    I mean this piece of shit actually had the gall to say that “When she hit me, it felt like a man hit me! I was scared!” It is such a complete and utter failure that not a single Philly journalist has been willing to come out and say “The Eagles have a moral duty to society to not reward Joe Mixon’s behavior with a multimillion dollar contract.”

    Where are the feminists groups on this? I mean, they’re a bunch of fucking harpies, but why is this completely ignored by them? They lost their minds when Ray Rice did the same thing. Is it because the victim was white?

    Enjoy your shekels Tommy. I have a feeling you’re gonna need a lotta PBR and funyons to wash this one down. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bffdbd548c2ffa5af6b02af654fc14e4100d4539b2fbf9fa9cd97bf073f2a3e8.jpg

  23. 23 Ankerstjernen said at 4:35 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    So here is the thing: You can feel about Mixon any way you want, and since this is a forum, you can come here to discuss it with all of us. That is what this forum is for. But this is Tommys forum. He built it, he drives it and he provides it for all of us to enjoy. Its not his job to do this, and everything you read in here – including the post you just commented on – is given to you, by him, for free, with nothing asked in return except for, maybe, a little bit of respect and gratitude and a small voluntary donation. If you do not appreciate it, you are free to leave. Dont come in here and insult the guy who provides you the opportunity to be here in the first place. And for the record, Tommy has always been extremely level headed, balanced, rational and sensitive to these issues, and he always leaves room for the other side of the argument. He never insults people who disagree with him and he is always respectful. You should be the same to him.

  24. 24 Wrongthink said at 4:52 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think this post is an insult to the intelligence and dignity of every member of society as it weakens the already barely held together moral fabric of society. I was under the impression this was his job, he puts out far too much content for someone that’s just doing this as a part time gig.

    But whether it’s his job or not, if you’re going to write things apologizing for men that assault women you have no right to act offended when someone criticizes you.

    I love Tommy’s writing and I’m a huge Eagles fan. I’ve probably missed a total of 10 games since the 88′ season. Maybe I’m just being selfish because I don’t want to have the enjoyment of the Eagles taken away from me, because God knows I can’t support them if they draft Joe Mixon. It’s just a complete slap in the face.

  25. 25 A Roy said at 4:57 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Try disagreeing without being so freaking disagreeable and distespectful. I don’t want Mixon and will be disappointed in the team if they select him, but you don’t see me spitting on Tommy for his opinion. Back it off a few notches, guy.

  26. 26 Wrongthink said at 5:06 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think you might want to consider that your outrage is grossly misplaced.


  27. 27 A Roy said at 5:09 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    You didn’t care to understand what I said. Keep thrashing around and I’ll simply change setting so as never to see your rants again.

  28. 28 Ray888 said at 6:08 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The unacceptability of your harsh rants on this subject have been pointed out to you before on a number of occasions by many. Yet you continue the over-the-top rants whenever this subject comes up. You’ve learned nothing. On the other hand, the subject of your rants seems to have learned from his one mistake and taken steps on the road to atonement. Ironic, isn’t it.

  29. 29 Wrongthink said at 1:55 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Mixon is doing PR so he can get PAID niggah! Wake up!

  30. 30 Wrongthink said at 2:13 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    When did FOOTBALL fans become such fucking pussies they can’t handle a few harsh words?

  31. 31 Ankerstjernen said at 5:14 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    For the record, Tommy, as far as I can recall, have never apologized for men that assault women, and neither have I for that matter. Your anger and excitement about this issue seem to be blinding you from a nuanced perspective.

  32. 32 Wrongthink said at 5:42 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Cradle Tommy’s balls more. That nuanced enough for you? Yes, anger can be blinding but no more so than being spineless.

  33. 33 laeagle said at 12:03 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    what a hero you are

  34. 34 James Skip Carl said at 2:41 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    He’s a clown and probably a Cowgirl troll

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 12:13 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    “Cradle Tommy’s balls more.”

    Sweet, we’ve now earned the block!

  36. 36 Sb2bowl said at 11:47 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    This user is blocked- one of my favorite features on Disqus

  37. 37 Ankerstjernen said at 12:25 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Yea. I very rarely block people (Im just too curious, and sometimes the worst of the trolls are also hilarious to follow). But I don’t see much fun in this one, so..

  38. 38 LAEaglesFan said at 5:36 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Theres something called respect. If you don’t like what you read then you can either leave or say so in a respectful way. Tommy never apologized for Mixon’s actions and he realizes what happened was wrong as well as the rest of us who read the article because Tommy takes the time to thoughtfully and intelligently deliver his opinion which is something you definitely need help in. The fact that this article was put up so late at night only shows how dedicated Tommy is to being a good journalist and the fact that your on here reading it so late just shows that its probably not your first time coming across this website so if you enjoy it either show your support or be respectful when you deliver your message of disapproval because a lot of us love this website and Tommy for his time and effort into always providing us with an intelligently written article.

  39. 39 Ben said at 1:41 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    TBH Tommy puts up a lot of late night posts that I have seen over the years.
    So to accuse him of trying to slip this one through unnoticed is a little psychotic.
    That reminds me of the “Some folks you just can’t reach” speech.
    Anyhow, if you have been reading his articles over the years you would know Tommy always mentions both sides of an argument and even offers his own opinion on certain matters, but this one he did not so nobody had to cradle anything.
    Well, at least you picked the right screen name.

  40. 40 Wrongthink said at 2:04 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Dude, it’s his job. Stop with the hero worship. He writes good articles I…well I don’t say shit, so maybe that makes me a dick-but when he writes apologia for a woman beater, he deserves the criticism.

    I respect the hell out of him for not banning me though, he could have easily done that. Everybody’s gotta make compromises, which I expect is what Tommy’s doing here. Nfl teams don’t give access if you write stuff they don’t like, and it seems pretty obvious the Eagles have let reporters know to get on board with the face-caver.

  41. 41 LAEaglesFan said at 2:36 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Ohhh… you think the Eagles told all the reporters to “cover-up” for their future plans. This draft stuff at this point is all top secret and half of it are lies purposely to throw you off, so to think that the Eagles and all these reporters are on the same page is absurd. Dave Spadaro doesn’t even know what the Eagles are going to do. It’s literally just a few collective minds high up in the organization that really know the plans at this point.

    And its not hero worship. This page is literally the first one on my bookmarks bar and its one I visit multiple times a day so you not only offended the author but you also offended me and probably many others who really do like this website.

    Also, feel free to go to the cowboys website and comment about their players. You’ll have more fun over there, I promise.

  42. 42 Wrongthink said at 2:25 AM on April 24th, 2017:

    Whether its a cover up or not, the point is theres not one writer that will write an article articulating the pov that rewarding Mixon is morally degenerate. Its not “giving someone a second chance” is dispensing with any sense of moral considerations entirely. It sullies us all.

  43. 43 Mitchell said at 7:37 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Pretty sure this guy is a troll similar if not the same person as aron.

  44. 44 Wrongthink said at 2:15 PM on April 23rd, 2017:


  45. 45 miked718 said at 8:53 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    While I agree that this guy could have and should have been more respectful to Tommy, his point is spot on. The BS we sell ourselves to be able to root for some of the players is tangible. So with a guy like Mixon, we say oh he’s a piece of dirt, I don’t want him on my team until he’s still there in the third round and then it’s just good value! I put this on the NFL and the way they deal with domestic violence. If a player is convicted or if there is a video of the incident, that player should not be allowed to play in the NFL period. I’m not saying the guy’s life has to be ruined and I fully believe in second chances. But giving him a platform like the NFL to make millions and be adored is not going to change his behavior and likely put more women in danger. These young players will do anything they can to avoid an NCAA eligibility conflict, they can definitely control their tempers and not assault other human beings. It’s disgusting that as fans we even have to make this choice. It’s also disgusting that the NFL will look the other way on issues like this but players like Kap get blacklisted for doing some positive action.

  46. 46 Ankerstjernen said at 12:36 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If you have followed me in previous discussions you will know that I am one of the people who have stated, that I don’t want Mixon on this team unless he makes serious efforts to rehabilitate his image and show real contrition – first. But Mixon is not at all what Wrongthink is arguing over.

    He is making the case, that Tommy is “a fucking joke” who is publishing this “piece of garbage” because the team has bribed him out of his integrity. He is basing this on the accusation that Tommy is an apologist for Mixon, and now so you are you by calling it ‘spot on’ even though Tommy has never opined anything that would support that statement.

    Don’t let the trolle get you all confused. We can agree, mostly, on the issue of the sportsprofession helping talented athletes getting away with unacceptable behaviour on an in stitutional level because of the money involved. I am all on board with that.

    But there is absolutely no reason or justification to go after Tommy like this. That’s just ill-informed harrasment really. Which was my point all along.

  47. 47 Wrongthink said at 2:21 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Dude, just because I’m not a kumbaya hands holding Tommy worshiper doesn’t mean I’m trolling. I meant every word I wrote. The reason I went after Tommy is because I think he is helping to normalize this kind of behavior.

  48. 48 Ankerstjernen said at 2:25 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Then you have a serious problem reading and understanding english.

  49. 49 Wrongthink said at 2:26 AM on April 24th, 2017:

    I understand you better than you understand yourself.

  50. 50 Ray888 said at 1:19 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Remind me which religion bases forgiveness on the severity of the sin? Or which religion forgives trespasses as long as they’re not on camera? Or who established the grading system on moral offenses? Is there a chart we all can look at that tells which crimes can be forgiven & which can’t? Everyone can reach their own personal position on this; that’s as it should be. Others may differ. Such is life!

  51. 51 Wrongthink said at 2:23 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Atonement and acceptance of wrong doing is essential to redemption you anti-Christian bigot.

  52. 52 Ray888 said at 6:44 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Miss the point much?

  53. 53 ColorSgt said at 8:53 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Lol “published in the dead of night.” Its not like Tommy came out with a second article this morning to distract you from this one. His articles are up forever really but at least 24 hours usually before he posts another one. People are going to see it and comment. If you don’t want people to read it then what is the point of posting anything? I did think that the isolated incident point was off base. There is a history with this guy. Might be a rare case of ignorance for Tommy. I haven’t seen him leave out facts before.

  54. 54 laeagle said at 12:01 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    You know, there’s a polite way to say “Tommy, I disagree that Mixon is even worth considering.” In fact, Tommy even gives you a template: ” To some of you, hitting a woman is completely unacceptable and that labels him for life. Scumbag. End of discussion. I certainly get where you are coming from.”

    Then there’s what you did. Which is be an asshole. Make weird accusations about “shekels” and such. I think when someone leads with odd conspiracies, it’s pretty easy to discount everything they say.

    I don’t want Mixon on this team. For similar reasons related to lack of respect for other humans and an inability to act in a manner commensurate with a situation, I’m not sure I’d want you around, either.

  55. 55 Wrongthink said at 2:27 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Hey man, I have feelings you know. And you’ve hurt them 🙁

  56. 56 James Skip Carl said at 2:39 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Liberal turd

  57. 57 Ray888 said at 6:23 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’ve been mulling over lately whether pick #14 is a better (or lesser) value than, say, pick #19 + an additional 3rd round pick. It’s hard to do in the abstract, but becomes easier when you’ve listed possible selections in the #19 range. Even more helpful would be knowing a group of potential players available in the mid-third round area to complete the assessment.

  58. 58 Media Mike said at 8:13 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    What is your extra 3rd rounder is Zay Jones, Chris Godwin, Tay Taylor, or Carlos Henderson who will all not be gone by 74 (where we were), but could all be gone by 99.

  59. 59 Ray888 said at 9:02 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Then it seems trading back would make sense as these are players, as you say, who would have been there at #74 but probably gone by #99. The trade with the Ravens was mostly positive, but losing a higher 3rd round pick hurt when considering who would have been available earlier. Thanks for naming the players who could be there in that range; it helps a lot.

  60. 60 Media Mike said at 9:04 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’m going to be in maximum stomach acid mode in between 43 and 99 if we don’t have any picks there. I’m going to be in maximum “get banned from every comment page and twitter mode” if we subsequently lose Jernigan as a free agent and he became a rental that cost us pick 96 on the point value chart.

  61. 61 RC5000 said at 10:19 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    We don’t know the difference in how the Eagles value the players between 74 and 99 though. If the grades are really close, it’s not a huge cost.

    What if it could be Chad Hansen or Rasul Douglas or Kareem Hunt or Samaje Perine and Timmy Jernigan for Zay Jones? I really like your receivers list but some geeks could be low on Jones and Godwin imo. WRs usually go in the 2nd round and there aren’t many above them.

    To me I agree they need to re-sign TJ but no matter what the jury is going to be out on the trade.

  62. 62 Media Mike said at 10:31 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I really don’t care how they value it, I’m going to use the point value chart because there needs to be some type of external standard on which to judge what they do AS they do it AND after they do it.

    And Hansen and/or Douglas wouldn’t really excite me as guys who could start, and start competently, at outside CB.

  63. 63 RC5000 said at 11:45 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Hansen is a WR not a CB. No wonder you need a trade chart lol. I’m just messing with you.

  64. 64 Media Mike said at 11:52 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Oh, is Hansen the Cal guy? I’ve been avoiding him as a player of interest.

  65. 65 RC5000 said at 12:09 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Yeah he’s a solid #3/#4 with potential for #2. He’s not as good as Zay but he’s athletic and can go up and get it. He has big hands, excellent 3 cone drill time. Poor man’s Jordy Nelson. He can beat college corners outside.

    Needs to learn the NFL route tree and nuances. He’s predictable. One of the 8 that worked out with Wentz. He’d be good to get to develop behind the starters.

  66. 66 Media Mike said at 12:11 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If we’re taking that type of guy, I’d rather have Godwin.

  67. 67 RC5000 said at 12:14 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Godwin will likely go in the 2nd round. I’d be shocked if he was there at 74 much less 99.

  68. 68 Media Mike said at 12:15 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Well, we’re talking 99 now anyway……………….

  69. 69 Ray888 said at 1:29 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Put another way, Eagles will be, as it currently stands, without a pick from #43 to #99. That’s the equilvalent of a round and a half w/o a pick. That will indeed be a lot of stomach bile to have to neutralize.

  70. 70 Sb2bowl said at 11:49 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    To drop from 14-19 would take (over the last 5 years) a 3 and 5-6th this year or 4 next year. Historically speaking.

  71. 71 xmbk said at 6:54 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Not an isolated incident:


  72. 72 Media Mike said at 8:14 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    And attacking the girl in HS that her father my$teriouSly recanted last week.

    He’s absolutely not isolated in his criminal behavior.

  73. 73 RC5000 said at 9:46 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’m not a draft Mixon guy (or not). I don’t think he just recanted it…I think PFT rushed the story with their fake journalism and then they were the ones recanting…Was his Facebook post recanting his original Facebook last week? It doesn’t sound like it. It sounds like it was a long time ago. I think he told PFT about his recant last week in response to their story non-story.

    In a report read by the lawyer for the woman struck by Mixon in 2014 during her interview with police, Anthony Hernandez said, “I know for a fact he threw my daughter to the ground and hit her.” Hernandez, who made the claim originally on Facebook, thereafter recanted his claims with another Facebook post.

    Blake Johnson also told PFT that he “spoke to multiple administrative officials at Freedom High School who assured me that no such incident ever took place there,” and that Mixon’s disciplinary record from high school reveals no such incident.

    “Norman Police also ran Joe’s juvenile record with law enforcement in California and they had no record of any such report or incident (or any other criminal incident on part of Joe),” Johnson said via email. “I’m fairly confident that the incident described in Mr. Hernandez’s original [Facebook] post did not happen.”


  74. 74 Todd Bailey said at 6:57 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    There are teams in the early 20s like the Dolphins that need OL and/or LB help. Eagles could trade 14 and Kendricks to the Dolphins for their 2nd. Per the trade value chart that assigns Kendricks a value of 40 points or an early 5th which seems about right for him. That would put the Eagles in a position to potentially draft Kevin King, Chidobe Awuzie with their own 2nd and Curtis Samuel with the Dolphins 2nd. Would love to see them try and pull that off.

  75. 75 scratcherk said at 7:49 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Thought this was a good post about Mixon over at BGN:


  76. 76 A_T_G said at 7:59 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Ike’s view: https://twitter.com/ike58reese/status/855785841544843265

  77. 77 Dave said at 8:12 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The narrative is not “can he carry the load”, the narrative is “can he run between the tackles effectively, for 16 games over an entire season”. When it’s 3rd and 2, do you trust him to get the first down on an inside run?

    If McCaffery can be a game-changer like Westbrook via the return, running, and passing game, I think he is absolutely worth the 14th pick. Teams game-planned against Westbrook. Will teams have to game plan against McCaffery or would they just stay in nickel defense when he is in the game?

    The discussion with McCaffery isn’t whether he is a great running back, the discussion is whether he is worth the 14th pick in the draft.

  78. 78 Media Mike said at 8:17 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If he’s like Westbrook, why can’t I have that production for a 3rd round pick?

  79. 79 FairOaks said at 11:34 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If people had suspected that Westbrook would be that good, he would have been gone looooong before the 3rd round. Playing in Division I-AA is going to push you down — McCaffrey did his thing in I-A and was a serious Heisman candidate two years running. And I guess you expect that type of production in the NFL sooner — Westbrook took 2-3 years to be “that guy” but you’d expect it of McCaffrey sooner. If McCaffery wasn’t going to be a major impact until 2019 or 2020, he would not be worth the first rounder.

    So the above is almost like saying, if he’s like Tom Brady, why can’t I have that production for a 6th round pick?

  80. 80 Media Mike said at 11:51 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’d say that as well. Maximum return from minimal expense!

  81. 81 RC5000 said at 12:57 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Like Tony Romo for nothing!!

  82. 82 RC5000 said at 12:58 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Or not Tony Romo for anything in the world?

  83. 83 Sb2bowl said at 11:51 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Because Westbrook was a steal in the third. Unfortunately, he set the pattern for us drafting “value/upside” in the third for years to come. No one else materialized like him for us.

    We are due to hit on some 4-7 gems, and hopefully soon!

  84. 84 Media Mike said at 11:55 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I like steals more than reaches.

  85. 85 FairOaks said at 12:26 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    So does everyone. Not good as a draft strategy, but if you traded away all your 1st and 2nd round picks every year you’d probably have lots of chances in later rounds.

  86. 86 Media Mike said at 12:26 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Well, if teams would stop taking busts with 1st and 2nds…………

  87. 87 Sb2bowl said at 9:40 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    At this stage, I don’t care where we get them as long as they perform. That’s what matters to me

  88. 88 A_T_G said at 12:17 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The more relevant question here, though, is would you have given up everything Westy did for us to have had an extra first that year?

  89. 89 Media Mike said at 12:20 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’d rather have seen Ed Reed drop to us at 26, kept Michael Lewis the hell off of this team, not had Bishop on the field, and won the Superbowl that year.

  90. 90 laeagle said at 12:19 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    That’s not really a valid point. If people knew what Westbrook was, he never would have been there in the third.

  91. 91 Media Mike said at 12:20 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Knowing who is going to be good is the job of the front office as a condition of their continued employment.

  92. 92 FairOaks said at 12:24 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    It’s an inexact science — everyone is going to be wrong fairly often. The main thing is to be wrong less often than others, especially nearer the top.

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 12:26 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Which I agree with, mostly. But until we’re at 7 Super Bowls and I see massive numbers of Steeler, Cowboy, Giant, and Patriots fans being made to supplicate themselves to all things Philadelphia; I reserve the right to pillory every mistake and demand my 7 Super Bowls.

  94. 94 laeagle said at 1:33 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Yes, but it’s like baseball averages. It’s such an inexact science. Even for successful evaluators, there are far more misses than hits. But that’s a separate discussion.

    Joe Montana was a third rounder. If you have a chance at him in the first, you don’t say, “No. He should go in the third and I refuse to pick him anywhere else.”

  95. 95 A_T_G said at 8:39 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    So, wait, you are saying Ike Reese doesn’t know what the narrative about McCaffrey is? Interesting. I distinctly remember a conversation about his size and whether he could handle an NFL workload a few days ago. Maybe I will go back and reread. In the mean time, let’s address those new goalposts back there.

    When it is third and 2, absolutely: “…he’s proven to be remarkably adept between the tackles and through contact. This season he is averaging 2.5 yards per carry after contact…”. https://www.profootballfocus.com/why-christian-mccaffrey-is-our-no-1-college-running-back/

    As for worth 14, he is a running back, so probably not.

  96. 96 Dave said at 9:01 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Can he do it for 16 games?

  97. 97 Media Mike said at 9:02 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    What is the answer is “yes, but you still don’t need to pay for that type of production in round 1?”

  98. 98 meteorologist said at 12:54 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The other top RBs average more after contact..

  99. 99 A_T_G said at 3:26 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I can’t find that info. Can you share a link for context?

  100. 100 meteorologist said at 5:35 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    It was on twitter a while ago. Showed yards after contact, receiving stats, and more for the top 4-5 backs. Can’t find it now.

    This is something though : https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/855182340863123456

  101. 101 Media Mike said at 8:16 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I agree with Ike on the narrative, but I also agree that RB isn’t worth a first rounder given the league, contracts, etc.

  102. 102 Media Mike said at 8:18 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    “My guess is that Mixon gets taken before the Eagles even have a shot at him. The Eagles have pick 43. Cincy is 41 and the Saints are 42. Both could use a RB and both have shown a willingness to roll the dice on character. Mixon could get taken before that even. I wouldn’t spend too much time getting fired up if you are anti-Mixon.”

    Good; I’d agree that he’s a scumbag and I’d rather him be on another team that can deal with him being suspended multiple times over what is hopefully a short NFL career.

  103. 103 Media Mike said at 8:21 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Greg Richards, who does good stuff here and GREAT stuff, or Twitter was going round and round with some trade back stuff on a mock he put together.

    I was originally against trading down because of Kempski’s article, but it looks like we’re not going to have access to a premium player at a position they’d take (OL / DL / CB / WR) at 14. All of these corners look like they’re more Sheldon Brown or Lito Sheppard than Eric Allen and all of the DEs look like they’re going to be either pluggers or situational players. None of that is worth 14. So if we can trade down and still get an end of round 1 guy; lets do it.

    I’ll try that in a simulation.

  104. 104 scratcherk said at 8:32 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think the most likely trade down scenario is with the Chiefs or Texans, who want to trade up for Mahomes. Will still be some real good players there and maybe pick up an extra second.

  105. 105 Media Mike said at 8:58 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    KC at 27 would owe us their 2nd and 3rd. I’d do that.

  106. 106 D3FB said at 8:35 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The class flattens out immediately. Even the top guys have pretty significant tail side risk. The class is deep (except QB and T). The class lacks consensus.

    This is the first class I can remember where there isn’t going to be a guy I’m genuinely excited for when the Eagles pick.


  107. 107 Media Mike said at 8:43 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I just tried to do that. And I’m following your lead on that mentality.

  108. 108 Sb2bowl said at 11:53 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If you can’t hit one target, try to hit multiple targets!

  109. 109 Mitchell said at 12:06 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    At the same time I do feel like there are picks teams are willing to trade up for.

  110. 110 Media Mike said at 12:11 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    QB, for starters, is a position other teams need and may not go before 14.

    There are other positions we don’t value at 14 that other teams may as well.

    So those two factors should hopefully let us get some additional talent without having to reach.

  111. 111 ChoTime said at 6:48 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Did Brandon Graham excite you?

  112. 112 D3FB said at 7:46 AM on April 24th, 2017:


  113. 113 ChoTime said at 12:15 PM on April 24th, 2017:

    I wasn’t that stoked because of a perceived lack of upside despite the pedigree.

  114. 114 Wrongthink said at 2:36 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Been some rumors going around the two qbs might go top ten.

  115. 115 FairOaks said at 4:17 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I pray those are true. Could also just be rumors dropped by teams hoping to trade down, and trying to spook other teams into trading up (or offering more).

  116. 116 Media Mike said at 8:36 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    So I traded down twice. Once with Detroit to get their 3rd, that was basically even on the point value chart. Then again with Pitt to get their 2nd. That was about 100 points too generous to the Eagles. 100 points is pick 100, so either I don’t have Qualls or I sent Jordan Matthews to the Steelers.

    Round 1 Pick 30 (PITT): Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 11: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 30 (PITT): Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 21 (DET): Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (B)
    Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Elijah Qualls, DT, Washington (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 12: Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma (A)
    Round 4 Pick 32 (COMP): Dawuane Smoot, DE/OLB, Illinois (B)
    Round 5 Pick 11: Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas (B)
    Round 6 Pick 10: Matthew Dayes, RB, NC State (A)
    Round 7 Pick 12: Samson Ebukam, OLB, Eastern Washington (B)

  117. 117 scratcherk said at 8:41 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    would be a great draft altho it seems unlikely

  118. 118 Media Mike said at 8:42 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I agree in the respect that Conley won’t really be there. It’ll be King or Humphrey at that point.

  119. 119 Media Mike said at 8:42 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Humphrey and King both went right before Conley, so assume I got one of those two instead. I don’t expect Conley to go after those guys.

    In either case, I wanted to hit corner hard again over anybody on the D line because I really don’t like any of the DEs enough to take over the corners if we’re looking at talent for talent. So I came back with White.

    Assuming Matthews (due to trade to Pitt), and likely DGB, are easy to not have on this team come the regular season; I hit WR twice as well. I’m a huge Jones fan and Taylor becomes your slot guy.

    Qualls DT4, Perine RB 2 or 3, and Dayes RB 3 or 4, are all guys who are active on game day. Smoot makes the team as DE 5, but doesn’t play a lot. Sprinkle is your inactive TE 4 unless he beats out future cut victim Celek as your blocking TE. Ebukam is here to be a special teams goon who might might your 46, but might also hang out inactive.

  120. 120 Ankerstjernen said at 2:08 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I feel strongly that you should have picked up more future stars in rds 5-7.

  121. 121 D3FB said at 7:49 AM on April 24th, 2017:

    I will not stand for Matt Dayes slander

  122. 122 Ankerstjernen said at 10:04 AM on April 24th, 2017:

    Give me James Connor, and we’ll see. 🙂

  123. 123 Ray888 said at 1:38 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Improving almost 25% of the team w/ the above choices would be hard to pass up, as Eagles get better, deeper, & younger.

  124. 124 nopain23 said at 9:40 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    As fans right or wrong we feel like we have ownership of our teams eventhough in reality we dont. However it lends itself to fueling our passion and enjoyment as fans .
    Misguided or not thats fandom 101. I see more commentors on this forum making the argument for drafting mixon and vice versa for mccaffrey.
    While im not the biggest mccaffrey fan i dont get what appears to be a no brainer. Both kids are supremely talented but thats where the comparison ends. One has no baggage and is all about football i realize that mixon is more powerful but his vision is average at best. Mccaffrey can always get stronger and his vision is exceptional . He could easily be Wentz’s ” edelman” so to speak. I just see those two clicking really fast bringing a real confidence and identity to this offense
    Would anyone on here be truly comfortable wearing a mixon jersey or better yet watch your daughter, son, wife or girlfriend wearing one? No such reservations come with a kid like mccaffrey. In fact i think the philly would instantly fall in love with the kid and he and wentz would wreak havoc in the league over the next 5 to 10 years. So on Thursday im rooting for mccaffrey at 14 so that i dont have to worry about the team i love being in the mixon business.

  125. 125 ColorSgt said at 10:05 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I just Nixon vs McCaffrey aside, I just don’t see either worthy of pick 14. McCaffrey is basically a replacement for Sproles when he is gone next year.

  126. 126 iceberg584 said at 10:55 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Right, but to get McCaffrey, we have to take him at 14 (if he’s even there), while Mixon would be a 2nd round choice.

  127. 127 ColorSgt said at 11:01 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If you are agreeing that he isnt worth pick 14, but saying that’s where he has to be taken, then it’s a bad pick. That means you are getting poor value from the pick. Its simple, pick another player that IS worth pick 14. Its called BPA.

  128. 128 Media Mike said at 11:02 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    That’s a MASSIVE issue with 14 right now (potentially); I’m really fearful the player there will be really underwhelming.

  129. 129 ColorSgt said at 11:11 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Maybe. Depends on how the draft pans out. How many QBs will be taken ahead of 14? I think at least 1 good player will fall, and if it’s looking otherwise, I can see Howie trading up. I’m not for trading back, because I do believe a pick worthy of 14 will be there, but it is an option. For some reason I think Howie and Joe can put together a good draft. Joe is kind of the missing piece Howie needed in years past. If they can work well together, this could be a good year. Having said that, some of these players are all over the place in initial projections, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens and how the Eagles navigate the waters.

  130. 130 Media Mike said at 11:13 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think they’ll do well, but I’m not totally sure about who can fall to 14 that I’ll like. You have any names you’d like at 14 that they’d actually take?

    I’m resigned to the fact that I don’t see them doing S / LB / TE / RB there.

  131. 131 ColorSgt said at 11:30 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Agree about S and RB. TE and LB shouldn’t be off the table IMO. Howard’s name keeps coming up. If they can use two TEs, then I’m good with that pick. I don’t know if they are willing to do that. WRs have a bunch of injuries so without knowing what docs are saying I don’t know if any of them are worth that pick. Admittedly, I haven’t watched much film or scouted these guys, so I’m not confident with throwing names out and defending them. But even if I did, I could argue all day about a guy that I think is a great pick and the Eagles have more information where he isnt even on their board. Same with a guy that I think has too many injurys. But eagles docs don’t think it will be a problem.

  132. 132 Media Mike said at 11:50 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I would tend to agree if I’m making the pick, but Reid roots would tend to cast doubt on TE/LB being taken in round 1.

  133. 133 ColorSgt said at 11:58 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Yeah. Kind of a shame to limit yourself with one system. If I were a coach I would pick and choose plays that worked all through NFL history in all different systems to keep defenses off balance. I’d get the best 53 players I could and figure out how to maximize talents. Might be easier said then done, but I think the Patriots have the rings to back that idea up.

  134. 134 Media Mike said at 11:59 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Again, I don’t disagree with you. I just need to see them go away from habit to believe they’ll go away from habit.

  135. 135 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:54 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    mixon will likely go to the same Owners or coaches with cache who will take advantage of a talented scumbag under the guise of giving a young man “a second chance”.. One of the usual suspects like Pete Carroll’s seahawks, Jerry Jones Cowboys never met a red flag they wouldn’t take, Billichek can do anything he wants, Andy Reid and his Papa Bear routine, the Bengals ARENT known to set the greatest example of social morality.
    The Mara name typically comes with the high charechter reputation, but if the Giants tried to resist cutting a friggin kicker who beat his woman, probably can’t rule them out from taking advantage of a 1st round Talent who falls outside the fist two rounds especially when they have a real need at RB
    Funny that I can see every one of our Rivals accept Mixon onto their roster. It’s not like Dan Synder is any less of a scumbag weasel than jerry Jones. But I’d be shocked if the Eagles took him, I guess it’s a good thing that Lurie isn’t at the low down dirty shame level of our Rivals owners. Some Super Bowl wins would sure taste good from the moral high ground of the NFC East

  136. 136 kajomo said at 10:05 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    It’s simple. Whoever we pick at 14 + Mixon is better than McCaffery + whoever we pick at 43. I believe McCaffery is a reach and Mixon would be great value in those give scenarios.

    I would never own a Mixon jersey, but I would happily wear a super bowl short that Mixon helped us earn. If Lurie, Howie, and JD sign off on Mixon I am not going to pretend like I know better than they do. They have significantly more info than any of us about the person Mixon is.

  137. 137 xmbk said at 11:18 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Meh, seems like we are losing perspective on sports if we can overlook a guy just because he helps our team win. It’s not like the odds of winning the super bowl significantly change by drafting the guy. And even if they did…

  138. 138 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:39 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Devils advocate, Many of those franchises that have multiple Superbowls who love to thumb their nose at us, won those Superbowls with the help of of guys that Couldnt be accused of being model citizens to put it lightly. There are also teams that won Super Bowl with players who did some really crappy things but went on to learn from their mistakes and become productive members of society.
    Ideally I’d rather rehabilitate Mixon and see him go one to become a good man, who gives back to society and never gets in trouble again. Rather than punish him and keep him from making something positive of his life. But obviously the real world isn’t that black and white. some kids like Mixon Learn from the horrible mistakes they made and grow into great people who justify the second chance we give them. unfortunately there are also kids like Mixon who forgiving them ends up inadvertently enabling them and it becomes easier and easier to behave like scum. The trick is trying to find out which group Mixon will fall into if we give him the opportunity to achieve his dream and make something of his life, and that’s really hard to know without being able to see in a kids mind and heart. Then again he is still a developing and evolving young man that he may not even be sure which of those categories we will fall into.
    Ultimately it looks like the NFL will reward his talent with a second chance, hopefully he takes it and runs with it. The best way Joe Mixon can make up for what he did is To not make a jerk off out of the owner that gives him a second Chance at His dream and goes on To grow into a quality membet of society. Some people prove that you were right to give them a second chance, others prove you to be an enabler, hopefully this kid does right by his second Chance

  139. 139 xmbk said at 5:27 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I don’t judge myself by the weakness of others. In other words, I don’t give a rats ass what they say or do.

  140. 140 kajomo said at 4:00 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I would argue the exact opposite. I would say people focusing on character are losing focus on sports. I can watch the 700 club for feel good stories. I watch sports the be entertained. I don’t need sto stand on some imaginary moral high ground to enjoy sports. Again he would never. E my favorite player, but I’d cheer the same when he scored a TD.

  141. 141 xmbk said at 5:26 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    So, thumbs up or thumbs down? 😉

  142. 142 RC5000 said at 10:46 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Tommy you usually bring all the facts but

    Mixon isn’t a guy with a pattern of bad behavior. He has a horrible incident, but it seems to be one of a kind.

    That’s not totally true and even if it is in your opinion you should bring up this incident so readers aren’t misinformed.To me he has an anger management issue at the least. How much counseling has he gotten I wonder or is he still in counseling?:

    “Don’t put that shi*t in my face,” Mixon told the attendant, the incident report states.

    Mixon then ripped the citation in half and threw it at the parking attendant.

    According to the incident report, the torn pieces hit the parking attendant in the face.

    Mixon then got into his vehicle and “inched at the officer with vehicle in drive to intimidate the officer with vehicle,” the report details.

    Someone else brought this link up too.

  143. 143 Media Mike said at 10:50 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I doubt he’d be that tough with a sworn law enforcement official issuing him a citation.

  144. 144 xmbk said at 11:14 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Parking attendant was a woman, too. Makes it harder to swallow his claim that he learned from the first incident, and that’s not who he is, he was only 18, blah blah blah. More importantly, he is definitely more than just a pr problem for a team. He’s a legit risk.

  145. 145 Media Mike said at 11:29 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    And let’s be honest; what’s Goodell’s interpretation of anything Mixon does as part of “conduct detrimental.” Take the moral element out of it; Mixon is risky from a suspension standpoint.

  146. 146 RC5000 said at 11:49 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Was it a woman? I thought I saw a woman’s name referenced in an article I read a couple months ago. I was searching for that for a friend of mine but I couldn’t find it.

  147. 147 Media Mike said at 11:55 AM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I think I read “meter maid” in one of the stories.

  148. 148 RC5000 said at 12:01 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    That’s what I probably saw.

  149. 149 laeagle said at 12:20 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The “meter maid” was actually a 70 year old “cabana boy”

  150. 150 Media Mike said at 12:22 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Another excellent example of a well behaved FSU football player.

  151. 151 xmbk said at 2:57 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    It was.

  152. 152 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:12 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I don’t disagree but to play Devils advocate, should the NFL really be punishing kids the Justice department won’t hold accountable? Then again, if the NFL DIDNT blackball Greg Hardy, he would have barely faced any consequences at all because the Justice department allowed him to way his way out of punishment.
    As a fan, it would be easier for me to deal with MIKE Vick situation where an ultimate dog lover like myself was disgusted by what he did, yet it was easier for me to be ok with VICK getting a second chance because the Justice department actually held him accountable for something that disgusted me so much. one of the things that upsets me the most in life is the rare Occassion I see my 150lb Cane Corso’s go at it, but since VICK sat in a prison. Paid his debt to society, it was easy for me to forgive enough to feel like a Genuinly contrite man should be given a second chance
    Im so conflicted by all this I don’t really how I feel about it exactly. I do hate how little market teams tend to benefit from big market teams having to cut a player who gets in trouble, and the player goes without a job for two days before a small market team, or a coach with Cache like Belicheat or pete Carroll take advantage, swoop right in and sigń him. I wish there was a way to reach some uniformity to where if a player is ok to be employed by any team in the NFL, then he should be fair game to every team instead of this bullshit farce where a team has to cut a player who gets arrested, just so another team can then capitalize under thebullshit guise of “Giving him a second chance” but I cant really grasp what the solution to this would be in our modern era where public opinion/public Pressure causes teams to cut players who have been arrested but not found guilty. It would be easier if players were held accountable and forced to pay their debt to society like VICK did instead of athletes like Hardy/Mixon who pay their way out of trouble and then it’s up to the NFL to dish out some punishment in the same of social justice like we see with the black balling of hardy. Then again if Hardy wasn’t a terrible teammate and was still generating 15 sacks a year, Pete Carroll or someone would probably be employing him right now..

  153. 153 xmbk said at 5:28 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If you keep playing devil’s advocate, at what do you actually become the devil’s advocate? 😉

  154. 154 Insomniac said at 1:26 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The charges were dropped and the attendant was fired a few months later. Don’t have a source on the firing but that was being brought up in some places.

  155. 155 Ray888 said at 1:52 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    An athlete with a anger management issue? Shocking!!! Next will learn that no one in the choir at OK can bench press 200lbs.

  156. 156 nopain23 said at 12:15 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    With Sidney Jones’ injury he’s not going to be the pick at 14. I dont think we take him in the second either….doubt he lasts to 99 which is a glorified early 4th RD pick . A player who may be available is tabor who seems like a schwartz guy but bombed the underwear olympics…just remember justin gilbert crushed the combine but flamed out in the league. He is obviously talented and could be great value at pick 99. If we go offense in RD 1( hopefully howard or davis) i think white or Witherspoon in Rd 2 and tabor in RD 3 would be excellent value for the talent each possesses. Then RB in round 4 maybe the Pitt kid.

  157. 157 Media Mike said at 12:17 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Teez at 99 seems like a good risk / reward combo.

    And if we walked away with Corey Davis and Tred. White with 14 and 43; I’d be excited.

  158. 158 RC5000 said at 1:01 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I bet Teez firin up a doob right now or whatever they call it today.

  159. 159 Insomniac said at 3:36 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Tabor is all risk and no reward.

  160. 160 Jason said at 1:46 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Jimmy K, Jeff McLane, and Josh Norris of Rotoworld all had “two sources inside the organization” who confirmed that Joe Mixon remained on the Eagles draft board. There are two explanations for this orchestration, given at face value it would signal to opponents that they would take Mixon in the second round: 1) Team wanted to vet the selection fully in local media to assess the impact fully on the team image or 2) they wanted teams to believe they are not pursuing a RB in round one.

    I think just the public refusal by Roseman to rule out whether anyone including Mixon was on or off the draft board, coupled with the intensity of the Mixon coverage, sufficiently vetted the Mixon reaction in Philly without this extra boost.

    I happen to believe #2, that they want McCaffrey in round 1 and want a pretend targeting of Mixon to dissuade others that they need to jump ahead of them to get McCaffrey.

  161. 161 Insomniac said at 1:56 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    People were tuning out the Wentz rumors too last year so you never know.

  162. 162 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:22 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    McLane seemed pretty emphatic in saying that the Eagles won’t be drafting Mixon. I questioned that because I dont think a smart Front office has anything to gain by informing the media that they will or won’t draft a certain Player, but I guess it’s possible that McLane cultivated a source who shared that with him, tho I hope THATS not the case because it doesnt benefit the Eagles in any way, and I think we can wait a week to find out if the Eagles draft him or not.
    But I guess it doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive and both can be true in that Mixon will remain on their board, but they won’t draft.

  163. 163 Dragon_Eagle said at 1:46 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I am hoping the Mixon noise is just a smokescreen. Get some other GM to trade up for him.

  164. 164 Insomniac said at 1:57 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I’ve been on team trade down if an elite player isn’t there for a long time but I wouldn’t be thrilled with the names Tommy listed if we traded back. To me those guys are clearly a tier or two down from what we might be able to get. We don’t need to try to fill every hole this year. Quality over quantity when you can.

  165. 165 meteorologist said at 2:17 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    It’s fun this year. I don’t have any actual idea who the Eagles will pick other than QB. I don’t even know if it’s more likely they will move up, stay at 14, or move down. Whatever player you want to pick and whatever trade you want to make it feels like you can find a reputable writer to back you up.

    Leaves room for so much speculation and hypothesis by us. Also nice job by Joe and Howie at keeping the team unpredictable to the rest of the league despite our needs. Seems like when Chip was here, the rumor would turn out true more often and it was disappointing.

  166. 166 Nick C said at 2:36 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    My guess: Corey Davis, John Ross, Gareon Conley, Derek Barnett,
    Charles Harris, or Reuben Foster.

  167. 167 Gian GEAGLE said at 2:37 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    I can say it feels great to not give a damn about Grudens QB camp this year. Haven’t watched a single episode now that we have our golden boy. At 14 it’s almost impossible to know what the Eagles will do without knowing which 13 players come Off the board before them.
    Although there has been times when the Eagles fans and media identified Fletcher Cox as the most likely pick, and it turned out to be true which isn’t easy to do when you are picking outside the top 10.
    Personally im hoping that at least two teams in the top 13 reach for a QB and we get lucky with a no brainer pick where a guy we were almost certain would be drafted in the top 10 is still available at 14. Im hoping when the first round ends most eagle fans will be able to say “I never expected him to still be available at #14
    Hopefully this will turn out to be a Simple no brainer decision of “when BPA marries positional Need” which is what made Cox a no brainer for us in 2012

  168. 168 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:00 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    The one thing I find problematic with taking McCaffrey is it could cause us to have to carry 4 Runningbacks next year since it will be Sproles last year, and while smallwood, Sproles and McCaffrey may be able to all run between the tackles, we certainly can’t pretend that any can fill the role of a goal line/short yardage powerback. So how would we solve the problem of not having a short yardage back amongst our top 3 RB? There are a few options, some more appealing than others:
    1) best case scenario would probably to counter this problem by adding a leonard weaver/Mike Tolbert type of fullback who are capable of making plays running the ball and can be a valuable enough offensive weapon/ST to justify spending a roster spot on a FB
    2) worst case scenario would be not only having to carry 4 RBs on the roster but having to spend a 6th round pick on a power back after spending the 14th pick on McCaffrey. We could always look to Undrafted free agents for PowerBacks but that still requires using 4 roster spots on RB until a Sprolesy retires
    What I like the most about McCaffrey is his high level versatility. if We take a CB at 14, and he becomes one of the

  169. 169 FairOaks said at 4:11 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    That is the main reason I’d be OK with McCaffrey at 14 — he would be more than a normal RB; he could be a matchup nightmare and figure prominently into the passing offense as well. And he could be a really fun weapon for Wentz to have and grow with. The concern, as usual, is if his technique works with college-level competition but does not translate to the NFL (or cannot stand up to NFL pounding). I guess I’d have to trust the Eagles scouts on that score — I really have no real idea.

    We carried 4 RBs last year. He would basically replace Mathews on the roster, and we’d have Smallwood / Marshall outside of Sproles. They may be able to handle some power runs between them (and I’m sure we’d have training camp competition for them that they’d have to beat out).

  170. 170 Iggles Blitz » Blog Archive » More Eagles Draft Talk said at 3:19 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    […] I wrote about Joe Mixon last night and that upset some people. I knew that would happen because he is such a hot button topic. […]

  171. 171 Gian GEAGLE said at 3:21 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    If your a fan like myself who has high expectations for Jernigan and would like to us be able to retain him past This season if Cox/Jernigan prove to be a disruptive DT tandem worthy of building around, I think it’s very important for the Eagles to find a rotation DT between rounds 4-7 who will prove to contribute enough to make Beau Allen expendable after this year and can take over as our best rotation DT who will provide 4 years of cheap rookie labor, because our best chances of being able to pay Jernigan and Cox past This season is to have two capable backups who will be on really cheap contracts for the next 3 or 4 years but they have to be able to play since your starting defensive tackles would drop dead if you played them an entire game. need 4 DTs who contribute in each game but two have to be really cheap like UDFA Destiny V and a 5th or 6th round pick. As much as I’d love to greedy and see the Eagles find away to add a young beast like jonathon Allen at DT, 5 years of his 1st round contract wouldnt fit the bill of a cheap young backüp who contributes on Gameday and makes peanuts the next 3-4 years so that we can pay both Jernigan and Cox LongTerm.
    Think it’s safe to say that this will either be Beau’s last year as an Eagle, or Jernigans only year as an eagle and there is no disputing which is the much better player of the two. The less we spemd on Back ups, the better chance we can keep Jernigan instead of Beau. But it’s a little more complicated at positions like DT that are counted on to contribute on the field even when the two starters are healthy. It be easier at a position like corner where at least if your starters stay healthy, you wouldn’t need that cheap young rookie to play on Sunday.
    Unless of course the Eagles think that both Shittu and Destiny can be our cheap rotation DTs when we łet Beau walk after the year. But I think it’s likely we see a DT drafted between the 4-7th rds

  172. 172 A_T_G said at 5:30 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Hey, I found another bargain for you guys…

  173. 173 daveH said at 6:01 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    Andy Reid hsa a guy on his team who choked his Pregnant girlfriend ? WTF !!!!

  174. 174 Dave said at 6:43 PM on April 23rd, 2017:

    New article up!

  175. 175 AfroCOON said at 8:48 PM on April 24th, 2017:

    He’s a stereotypical criminal NIGGER, you DUMBFUCKERS.