Like I Said

Posted: September 20th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 167 Comments »

Remember when I said that Doug Pederson would stick with Isaac Seumalo as his LG?


So what made Pederson pull the old switcheroo?

Warmack is bigger, stronger and more physical than Seumalo. Inserting Warmack into the starting lineup could give the run game a boost. I posted some info on him and his run blocking a few weeks back.

Seumalo struggled mightily in pass protection, but he also wasn’t doing much on run plays. Warmack will have his own issues in pass protection, but he will get some movement in the run game and that can be valuable. The Eagles must run the ball better. Having a LG who can move his guy off the ball can make a difference, especially with a runner like LeGarrette Blount.

There are a couple of possible reasons for making the switch now. There are 14 games left in the season. If you put Warmack in now, you give him and the rest of the O-line a chance to get into a rhythm. When an OL really gets it going as a group, they can have a huge impact on a season.

One other possible reason to make the switch is to avoid a snowball effect. Last year Nelson Agholor started to struggle and things snowballed over the course of the season. If you pull Seumalo now, he’s certainly going to be down on himself, but he had an up and down summer and one bad game. There isn’t a half a season of bad tape and tons of bad press hanging over his head.

The Eagles still have high hopes for Seumalo. I think he’s got a good chance to be the starting C in 2018. Some may scoff at that notion after watching his struggles from Sunday, but you can’t dismiss how good he looked as a rookie. Seumalo has shown NFL talent and ability. What he hasn’t shown is consistency.

Getting benched now doesn’t mean the season is over. All it takes is one injury and Seumalo can be called into service. Heck, he could the be the #3 Safety this weekend (slight exaggeration, hopefully).

I think Seumalo must get stronger. You could see holes in his game this summer. DL would overpower him at times. I thought getting on the field for 60 snaps a game would help him work through the issues, but he still had them in the first two weeks. Seumalo is smart and athletic. Those traits fit best at C, but he showed last year that he could play G and T well.

The key to Seumalo’s future is how he handles this. Nelson Agholor lost his starting job in the offseason, but embraced the situation and looks like he’s turned his career around (still a small sample size, but encouraging). Mychal Kendricks is another player who seems to have figured things out. Patrick Robinson struggled in the spring, but then moved to the slot in the preseason and has played much better.

Seumalo can’t control when he plays, but he can do everything possible to be ready when he does get back on the field.


Apparently Howie Roseman picked up a hobby while away from football. He’s now the leading collector of former Buffalo Bills in the world.

It sounds like Jaylen Watkins and Rodney McLeod are probably out this weekend. The Eagles hope Corey Graham is able to play, but they have to wait and see. Chris Maragos and Malcolm Jenkins could be your starters. Kamu Grugier-Hill could be your key backup. Not ideal, to be sure.

The Eagles DL is going to have to be great this weekend to help out the guys on the back end.

Elston likely won’t play on defense this weekend. The coaches will do their best to get him ready ASAP so he can be ready if needed next week or beyond.


167 Comments on “Like I Said”

  1. 1 Tumtum said at 12:13 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Safety gettin pretty hairy.

  2. 2 A_T_G said at 8:19 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Polamalu? I thought he was retired?

  3. 3 or____ said at 12:27 PM on September 21st, 2017:

  4. 4 Greg Tulino said at 12:43 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Womack was not very good in the pre-season. The team did extend him, however, which shows they believe he has the talent to start in this league and obviously our O-line coach believes in him. I am more concerned about our safety position. Pray that Graham can play Sunday. Otherwise we will be in a very difficult situation. How many teams can lose 3 of their top 4 safety’s and not have a major drop off? The Giants will obviously try to exploit that. Let’s hope our d-line can help us out by wreaking havoc on a suspect Giants O-line.

  5. 5 Guy Media said at 5:11 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Womack, ha

  6. 6 John Luck Pickerd said at 11:24 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Thank you.

  7. 7 greenblood0118 said at 12:42 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Great flic!

  8. 8 Ankerstjernen said at 7:18 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Add to that losing their best Cb and backup CB too. This might be just what the Giants need to get their offense going. Missed assignments and that sort of thing. I have a nasty feeling we will be pulling our hair out as they score a few long TD’s on blown coverages this week. Lets hope we score more.

  9. 9 Stephen E. said at 10:56 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Lee Ann?

  10. 10 Greg Tulino said at 1:52 AM on September 22nd, 2017:

    “lee Ann” Sorry. I am not sure what you meant.

  11. 11 greenblood0118 said at 12:40 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    How many hammy pulls are gonna have to suffer through? My god people where’s the sports science, the sports science???

  12. 12 D3FB said at 1:09 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I’m really over Stoudtland

    He was good in 2013 but I’m pretty sure I could have been the OL coach and they would have still been the top unit in the league. His units produced bad results in 2014 and 2015. Last year they cleaned up some of the issues and I was generally more impressed.

    My biggest indictment of him is I don’t think he can develop players. He had all-5 star talent at Bama and Miami and in 2013.

    Gordon didn’t get better. Vaitai hasn’t improved year over year. And now he’s benching Sem after 5 solid quarters and 3 bad ones.

    Add in the fact that they are paying for viable bench vets rather than youth and I’m officially out.

  13. 13 Rambler said at 1:23 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I trust your opinion, and have seen similar other comments. I myself have wondered his true effectiveness anymore. But it is a bit hard with some of these position coaches, is it not? A fair amount of it is talent as well. Maybe HPV and Seumalo are simply maxed out and will never improve, or at least not just yet in their young careers. But that probably does tie into your assessment that he really cannot develop these young players quickly enough.

  14. 14 Insomniac said at 1:41 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I hope he proves you wrong because well..we can’t go back to the dark eras of OL.

  15. 15 laeagle said at 3:42 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Time to bring back Juan?

  16. 16 Guy Media said at 5:09 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    If Cincy makes wholesale changes this offseason, maybe we can get Paul Alexander.

  17. 17 D3FB said at 12:35 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Again I’ll give the Ferentz kid any amount of money he wants.

  18. 18 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I don’t think it ends with Stoudland either. Other coaches need to be questioned…but certainly starts with the OL coach…

  19. 19 Dave said at 7:53 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I miss Juan.

  20. 20 sonofdman said at 9:23 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I don’t know, Schwartz seems to be doing a good job at defensive coordinator.

  21. 21 Mac said at 4:54 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    So, you’re thinking we may be Juan move away from a playoff ready oline?

  22. 22 Dave said at 6:26 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I think we already have a playoff ready oline, I just juan them to play to their potential. That would be juanderful.

  23. 23 xmbk said at 7:57 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Stoutland has managed to cruise for a while. I thought last year was his make or break season, but he managed to string it along again. I have not seen guys develop since he got here. And the lack of high draft picks is just an excuse. Great OLines are built without big name picks, teams like Dallas are an exception. The line has talent, but no one is outperforming their talent. Warmack should be his last “last chance”.

  24. 24 Bert's Bells said at 9:37 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I feel better hearing you say this. I thought he should have been gone with Chip and have gotten flamed for saying as much.

  25. 25 Mac said at 10:00 AM on September 21st, 2017:


  26. 26 SallyForth said at 4:04 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    “… Seumalo needs to get stronger.” … Ya think??? He was tossed around like a ragdoll by the Chief’s Chris Jones. Also, though it doesn’t really appear to be in his natural temperament, it would be nice to see some meanness/aggressiveness out of Seumalo.
    “Smart” and “finesse” just won’t hack it at guard, and Kelce, with similar traits, also has similar liabilities even at center.

    So while I have big reservations about Warmack, it’s worth a shot particularly if he can use his very real strength to help get the running game going …

  27. 27 eagleyankfan said at 7:25 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    words I’m not hearing — mauler/plays with attitude/mean streak — words I’m hearing are for ballerinas….

  28. 28 SallyForth said at 11:59 AM on September 21st, 2017:


  29. 29 CrackSammich said at 12:05 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Most OL could stand to learn some footwork from ballerinas.

    Most *people* could stand to learn some footwork from ballerinas.

  30. 30 Ankerstjernen said at 7:33 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Seumalo was described as a player with a ‘nasty’ personality on the field, when he was drafted. He might very well be. But it’s hard to be nasty if you are just being tossed around like a ragdoll.

  31. 31 D3FB said at 12:33 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    What do you mean by “meanness/agressiveness’?

    Should he gesitculate more? Or pound his chest?

    When Fletcher Cox ragdolled All-Pro Brandon Scherff was it because Sherff is a pussy or some other mouthbreathing reductive mannerism?

  32. 32 Sb2bowl said at 2:35 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Upvote for mouth breathing reference.

  33. 33 SteveH said at 3:17 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I think Fletcher Cox should gesticulate more and pound his chest. He’s earned it.

  34. 34 ChoTime said at 4:05 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    It’s related to swagger.

  35. 35 Guy Media said at 5:34 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    It needs to be Sunday at 1PM; ASAP! I’ve been nothing but annoyed since the end of the game Sunday. We really just need to stomp a mud hole in the Giants’ fraudulent rear ends and move on to the Chargers game.

    I think a win on Sunday is vital and really going to get us into smoother sailing for a stretch of games vs. teams that are significantly more flawed than we are.

  36. 36 Buge Halls said at 7:22 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    “…he had an up and down summer and one bad game” – correction, he had one bad game and one absolutely horrible game!

    The interior of the line needs some serious time in the weight room.

  37. 37 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    If this guy is in — who is out? I lost count on the roster number…

  38. 38 CrackSammich said at 8:02 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Pumphry is out. They never filled his roster spot when he was IR’ed.

  39. 39 xmbk said at 8:08 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I wonder if they are considering bringing Gerry up. Might be interesting if he or Grugier play some, give Schwartz a chance to show the Giants some looks they can’t have prepared for much. Keeping the heat on Manning is a good way to take the heat off the safeties.

  40. 40 wee2424 said at 10:36 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Idk, I think this is a game in which you want your best cover S in due to OBJ and his history going against us. Especially with Douglas (a rookie known for his lack of speed) and Mills starting.

  41. 41 xmbk said at 1:20 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Maybe. But a healthy OBJ will get his. Shut everything else down. I do agree that Kendricks can help bust some protection schemes. Hopefully someone will also bust OBJ over the middle. I think short, quick passes are likely to be a part of the Giants scheme this week. An extra box safety can help with that.

  42. 42 wee2424 said at 1:32 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    That is if Gerry is ready to be that extra box safety. OBJ may get his, but there is a difference between that and him feasting at will. I think having your best cover guys as far as DBs will help keep him from feasting.

    Giants will definitely go to a short dink and dunk passing game to help offset our DL. OBJ is very dangerous with YAC therefore the DBs want to keep him in front of them, and I think you want your best cover guys for that.

  43. 43 xmbk said at 4:52 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Agreed. Just thought that Gerry or Grugier could give the D a different look, which can work if not game planned for.

  44. 44 wee2424 said at 9:33 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Very true. Always want to be somewhat unpredictable, but I just think the looks we have been giving have been so dominant at times and really matchup well on paper versus NY that you don’t want to change it up. Save the looks for another team.

  45. 45 xmbk said at 10:10 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Have to adjust to injuries, though.

  46. 46 Forthebirds said at 8:25 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    so much for having 8 starting Olinemen. Cutting/trading Barbre was not a smart idea.

  47. 47 CrackSammich said at 8:45 AM on September 21st, 2017:


  48. 48 Ark87 said at 9:08 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Plenty of people weren’t crazy about the move at the time. Having a guy that can start at any O-line spot (besides center maybe), is great. In general I got more and more uneasy as every time we were like “hey we got depth”, we went to fixing that like it was a problem. Most folks felt it was fine because this is a throw-away year so load up on throw-away picks. But so far, there’s no world-beaters in the league. There was no reason not to be the best we could be. It’s a long season and you can never have too much depth.

  49. 49 CrackSammich said at 9:26 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Sure, but they made all the preparations they could and made a choice. Had they made the right one, everyone would have forgotten about it. Instead, they’ll complain for years about how they knew better.

  50. 50 Ark87 said at 9:53 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    years? That’s just not the scope we’re looking at here. If Warmack plays well the complaints will last till Sunday night (and there really aren’t many complaints that I’ve seen). If guard doesn’t get fixed and then someone gets hurt and the whole things falls apart, the complaints about Barbre in particular are only valid for this season.

    Though the “8 starting O-linemen” line will always follow Roseman. Edit: in the event the O-line falls apart because the depth isn’t that good I mean.

  51. 51 CrackSammich said at 11:08 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    It’s bullshit either way.

    Barbre stays and starts: Didn’t give the young guys a chance to play!
    Barbre stays, starts, and sucks: Should have traded him because we were so deep!
    Barbre stays but Seumalo starts: He’s disgruntled and hurting the locker room! And he’s taking reps from HPV as the swing tackle! Should have traded him!
    Barbre traded: We ruined our depth!

    This game is super easy, and the majority of sports fans will complain about something no matter what. The only thing that that’s common across all of is that the fan knew better all along, and Howie should have just asked them. It’s bullshit hindsight at its worst.

    EDIT: and again, If any of the options worked out well, people would have just forgotten about it entirely. On to the next topic to complain about. I mean, did you see that they didn’t draft a RB that wasn’t Pumphrey?!

  52. 52 Ark87 said at 11:31 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    The complaints do come from different places. It’s not like every single fan is always complaining about every single thing no matter what. It’s not a homogeneous group. In each of those hypotheticals a different group of people is unhappy. And there are a handful of Tokens out there that are just impossible to please.

    To give an example: D3FB really disliked the Pumphrey pick. There was a lot to criticize about the pick at the time (and still is). If there was someone who he really liked, and we picked that player there, and that player sucked, he probably wouldn’t start pining for Pumphrey. That would be some other whacko.

    Just because it’s not possible to know 100% for sure exactly how a decision will turn out, doesn’t make you exempt from criticism at the time. Combine that with “20/20 hindsight” comments once you do know how something turned out, and you have a situation where no criticism is valid.

  53. 53 Mac said at 11:35 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    If you choice is: Trade Barbre vs. Cut Warmack (assuming we have to dump one of them when we cut down to 53)

    Which way do you go with that?

    I’m trading Barbre…

  54. 54 Ark87 said at 12:04 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    That wasn’t the choice at the time. It’s a 53 man roster, I’d keep 9 OL and cut, either Corey Clement or Shelton Gibson. Purely hypothetically, if I had to chose which back-up OL I wanted, I’d pick Barbre . Not a long term guy which is his draw back, but super valuable as a guy that could be a starter at any position on our line in a pinch, in the event someone get’s hurt (unless you’re the Cowboys, that’s going to happen, we didn’t Foresee Suemalo getting benched for poor performance, but it was all but certain we’d seeing Vaitai or Warmack at some point when we traded Barbre) he can fill in at a starting level.

    Anyway I’m not gloating or even think I’ve been proven right. The story isn’t told yet. A consistent bias informs my opinion, I think that Barbre is starter quality on this team (by today’s standard of poor O-line play) and that Warmack is not. But we don’t know that yet. Warmack could be just fine, maybe even good. Maybe even a permanent starter and when Seumalo gets his head out of his butt he takes over for Kelce at C and we have a young set of new quality interior linemen. If any of those things happen, I’d be over the moon and change my opinion of the trade.

  55. 55 Mac said at 1:05 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Fair enough. From my vantage point it sure looks like Pederson didn’t want to go oline heavy this year. But, it’s easy to be critical of that decision as well.

  56. 56 Ankerstjernen said at 4:02 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I think we have to assume that they are focused on the future. Barbre was serviceable, but not a long term option. Seumalo and Warmack are both players they hope will be building blocks along with Johnson, Vaitai and Brooks. Roseman might be thinking ahead here, which I think is fine. They need to find out what they have in those two guys this year. Next offseason is going to be about finding two new starters for the future along the O-line and getting a 3 down RB. If they can do that, and add a little depth to the defense, they will be ready to seriously contend in the next handful of years (prime of johnson, Wentz, Cox, Jernigan, Hicks, Alshon and hopefully a young plug-and-play RB on a rookie contract.) I think this is the timeframe. it sort of lines up. And with the downfall of Eli, Cousins moving out of Washington and that Dallas O-line coming back to the pack the NFC East might be manageable for a well run team with a true franchise QB for a number of years.

  57. 57 Mac said at 4:49 PM on September 21st, 2017:

  58. 58 ChoTime said at 4:06 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Right. Pasting together all the complaints every fan has made to make an unrealistic composite of the “negative guy.”

  59. 59 Gary Barnes said at 2:53 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    This is very cynical, lol. Some truth to it, but over the top to never be able to question a move Howie makes or the consequences of a decision. There has to be accountability for the results and, as the leader of football operations with final say, Howie’s desk is where the buck stops. Is it always fair? No, but most of us should have learned a long time ago – life is not fair.

  60. 60 Mac said at 9:51 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    I was checking out a Bronco’s website during their first game of the season… and there were plenty of folks upset about getting Barbre.

    Just let that sink in a minute.

  61. 61 wee2424 said at 10:25 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    From my understanding Barbre hasn’t done good for them. Keep in mind he has had ONE above average season in his lengthy career.

    Remember we are short in draft picks this upcoming draft, so even though it is a late pick it is important that we try and stack them up.

  62. 62 TO BLACKS said at 9:18 AM on September 21st, 2017:


  63. 63 Gary Barnes said at 10:10 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Not a huge fan of this move, would rather give Seumalo more time to improve and keep the OL continuity intact.

    Now, Kelce and Peters are going to need to adjust to Warmack in addition to their normal OL assignment preparation.

    It also is a bit weird to put in a guy worse in pass protection for the ~15 run plays we’re likely to call vs the Giants. If Wentz gets blasted due to Warmack’s poor pass pro, I’m not sure the change is worth it.

    I think it also shows Pederson & Co. were not fully confident in Seumalo from the jump. Two games is a pretty small sample size especially within the context of how much rope Pederson gave other struggling players last season. Maybe he learned a lesson that one needs to take action sooner rather than later, but I’m not sure I agree. I could see that being valid for a vet whose upside is nil and where consistent performance is paramount, but not with young developing players.

  64. 64 CrackSammich said at 12:18 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    If the grand plan is to have the line look something like this next year, or even the year after:
    Johnson (Peters?) – Warmack – Seumalo – Brooks – ?

    Then this isn’t a huge issue. Basically the plan goes from having Seumalo learn on the job for his future at center this year, to having him hit the weights and learn for next year. Warmack probably needed a year to work on his technique, which is weird to say about a 4-year starter, but it’s not outlandish to put him out there.

    And while everyone is complaining about the huge fuckup that they think this is, huge shoutout to Howie for a having a plan in place a year in advance to replace starters. How many GMs out there have that going for them?

  65. 65 Sokhar20 said at 12:30 AM on September 22nd, 2017:

    ” If Wentz gets blasted due to Warmack’s poor pass pro, I’m not sure the change is worth it.”

    Did you SEE Sem getting blown up on sunday?

  66. 66 wee2424 said at 10:22 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    Good move. Makes sense, there may not be much improvement in pass blocking but there will be improved run blocking in the middle of the line. Warmack is a better compliment to Kelce.

    Seumalo should be a good fit at C.

    Warmack is a great football name, especially for a big mauler.

  67. 67 CrackSammich said at 11:11 AM on September 21st, 2017:

    You must be one of the people that ruined the fun of referring to Odell Beckham as ODB.

  68. 68 or____ said at 12:25 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    False equivalency. HPV is a real thing that causes major problems for many people. ODB aint.

  69. 69 CrackSammich said at 12:32 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    ODB ain’t nothing to fuck with either, my friend.

  70. 70 Ankerstjernen said at 12:51 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I have this feeling that Reich is a very smart guy. Just, the way he speaks, his demeanor, watching him in press conferences and on the sideline during games. He always appear to be in control, well asserted. We have no way of knowing what he really is, of course. And the same goes for Dougie. Those glimpses doesnt’ tell us anything about the qualities of these people as coaches. But.. Ya, I keep wondering if letting Reich call plays on offense might lead the offense to become more fluid, balanced and unpredictable.

  71. 71 Nick C said at 12:53 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    If multiple coaches state that they aren’t going to panic and make a move, and then suddenly do demote the second-year player, it doesn’t instill much confidence in the coaches be taken for their word. I have no problem with not having infinite loyalty, but if thats the case how does Kelce still have a starting job?

  72. 72 or____ said at 1:24 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Anyone taking a coach for their word – in the context of an obligated media press conference, is (forgive the harshness) already acting as a fool – or at least someone who has failed to learn a lesson despite repeated evidence.

  73. 73 ACViking said at 1:31 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Don’t disagree at all . . . but with a caveat.

    That is, as long as the players know the real score before the coach — or coaches — make public statements.

    If not, you have a coach seeding locker room distrust — which is never good.

    Ex-Cowboys/Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson was brutally blunt with all his players behind closed doors. And damned blunt in the media (except for his stars). Fear was his best player-relations’ tool.

  74. 74 or____ said at 1:41 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Agreed about that potential dynamic. That having been said, i was referring to fans’ interpretation/attention or lack there of for the coach-media speak. And in all reality, my point should stand for players too.

    But I agree internal dynamics can be delicate and the coaches should practice caution and be deliberate about how to handle those matters accordingly.

  75. 75 ACViking said at 1:46 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    “And in all reality, my point should stand for players too.”

    Have to agree to disagree. ‘though if you’re talking about a coach with a long-run of success, you’re point’s a fair one.

  76. 76 or____ said at 1:50 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I might be too idealistic for this but I think a wise agent should advise a wise player to not listen to coach press conferences to the media – ever – period.

    And I can agree to disagree on that.

  77. 77 Mac said at 2:47 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    How many players (or 20ish yr old males in general) show that kind of levelheadedness?

  78. 78 or____ said at 3:47 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Good point – very few if any.

    BUT – coaches and team staff and agents can coach them up on that.

    The same could be said about football wisdom such as “have a short memory, just focus on the next play”. Or “don’t fall for a counter fake or play action”. Or don’t violate the drug policy or…… list goes on forever.

    It’s not like isaac wasn’t going to find out some way or other. And wouldn’t it have been worse if he found out during the press conference?

  79. 79 Mac said at 4:43 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    One of my favorite behind the scenes football videos was of Brian Billick (and presumably some psychologist) talking to Raven’s players about women and how to handle that aspect of the players football career.

    The players get all kinds of help, yet somehow guys like Mike Vick manage to stay connected with dangerous friends and get involved in horrible events, and invest huge sums of money with a con artist. Even things like Joe Flacco on a skateboard in football season leading up to a playoff run seem absurd. And the list goes on and on…

  80. 80 or____ said at 5:21 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Absurd indeed, but to err is human…

  81. 81 Mac said at 2:46 PM on September 21st, 2017:


  82. 82 Gary Barnes said at 3:05 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Because Kelce is the best C we have on the roster currently; if they thought Seumalo was better now, they would have given him the job and traded Kelce for whatever they could get like they did with Tobin, Barbre et al.

    A coach has the right to change their mind – situations are fluid and more evidence can emerge that swings things one way or the other. As long as the communication with the players is clear and consistent, there should not be issues.

  83. 83 ACViking said at 12:58 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    RE: Does Seumalo have Warmack Syndrome? — Where’s Belichick?

    Semula’s in his first season of playing Left Guard full-time — at least since high school (when he was among the best guards in the country).

    At Oregon State, he started 10 games at C, 9 games at Right Guard, 2 games at RT and 3 at LT. None at LG.

    Last season, he was inactive for the first 7 games of 2016, getting his first action in Game 8 against the NYG.

    He later started 2 games at RG for Brooks. He also started at RT against the Ravens (when Peters went down and LJohnson shifted).

    Then, in Game 16, against Dallas he started at LG against back-up DT David Irving. (I don’t recall him having a bad game.)

    Does it matter that Ike’s never played LG full-time before this year?

    New LG Chance Warmack was a big-time LG at Alabama. Dominant.

    Interestingly . . . but not yet ironically . . . the Titans played him at RG, where he struggled. So much so, TN cut him loose after 4 years.

    Could Seumalo have a little bit of Warmack syndrome? At least as a LG?

    Like the case of Matt Tobin — regarding whom Belichick was the first to point out that Tobin played significantly better on one side than the other. In fact, dramatically better (as I remember).

    This all may fall under the further column of “too soon to tell” or “Stoutland’s just not very good.”

    Hoping Belichick will take a moment to weigh in (and expand, if he wouldn’t mind, on his already-noted Stout’s not very good, if that’s his view of the problem).

  84. 84 Mac said at 1:02 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    There are plenty of oline who only seem to be effective on one side.

  85. 85 ACViking said at 1:08 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Mac —

    Agree for sure.

    Just struck me that, coming out college, one of Seumalo’s selling points was his apparent across-the-line versatility.

    Now, playing the one position he didn’t play in college, he’s struggled this year.

    Is it that he’s on the left instead of the right?

    Or something else?

    Just wondering.

  86. 86 Mac said at 1:18 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Just because you’ve done it all doesn’t mean that you’re good at all of it?

  87. 87 ACViking said at 1:21 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    And therein lies the age-old mystery . . .

  88. 88 Gary Barnes said at 3:10 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Is that what she said?

  89. 89 Mac said at 3:26 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    That is a fair assessment.

  90. 90 bill said at 2:31 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    As usual, great research. It lines up with my (clearly under-informed) impression of Seumalo’s play Sunday. While there’s some hint that he needs to get stronger, I was struck repeatedly by how tentative he seemed – he always seemed to be flat footed and passive.

    Does your point explain at least some of that? I can’t believe that it is completely unrelated.

  91. 91 BlindChow said at 2:31 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    He looked stoned.

  92. 92 Tumtum said at 3:17 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I was going to place myself in the “too soon to tell” camp, but nah. That would be a cop-out (for me because I don’t believe it). I don’t think a guy who has shown to be good at every other O-line spot would innately have an issue playing LG.

  93. 93 P_P_K said at 4:23 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    More posts like this one and we’re going to want to see an ACViking blog.

  94. 94 D3FB said at 5:55 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    If he hadn’t played C (a relatively ambidextrious position) and LT there may have been something to it. I think his struggles were more he was facing a really good IDL in Chris Jones and had a tough 3 quarters.

    I’m not a big fan of the Titans ruined Warmack by playing him on the right. He’s more of a bully masher which is typically more of the RG than the LG (LG’s tend to be more of a pulling G historically). The fact that the Titans developed other OL during the same period that he was there, he was in the league for a decent amount of time and the fact that not even OL Guru LeCharles Bentley could fix him tells me it’s Warmack who is really broken. I don’t buy the fact that he was an all-american when he worked with Stoudtland last so Stoudt is going to fix him. He got away with his flaws in college, they’ve been exposed in the NFL.

  95. 95 ACViking said at 6:19 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Top-shelf work . . . fantastic

  96. 96 BlindChow said at 8:25 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Just FYI, there’s only one D in “Stoutland.”

  97. 97 TO BLACKS said at 1:46 PM on September 21st, 2017:


  98. 98 Sean Stott said at 2:13 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Not a big deal IMO. If Warmack works out at LG, great. If he doesn’t, try something different until you figure out what works. O-Line should be greater than the sum of its parts – there’s some optimal configuration that you need to find to get the best result.

  99. 99 Corry said at 2:16 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I don’t like this move. I think we should stick with the young guys (not that Warmack is old) for a bit longer. We’re 2 stinkin’ games into the season. He’s struggling and it sucks, but I’d prefer to let him work his problems out. I’m mostly concerned that this move will kill his confidence and stunt his development as a future Kelce replacement..

    On the flip side of this argument, if his crappy play got Wentz seriously injured, I’d want him and the next 5 generations of his family tarred and feathered.

  100. 100 Tumtum said at 3:13 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    You know what? If this kills his confidence, I don’t want him here anyway. I don’t need another guy I count on that lets me down. I need a guy I can win a championship with. The guy is a good talent, but is a major liability at the moment.

    This is a shot in the arm for the bottom roster guys to know that the name only goes so far. I am all for this move. None of us know the long-term implications, so I won’t even speculate.

  101. 101 Corry said at 5:04 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Exactly, he is a good talent, so why give up on him already? Like I said, it sucks that he’s not playing well but he’s also a young player in his first year of starting.

  102. 102 Masked Man said at 7:10 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Keep Ike at LG and struggle with no run game.

    Then add another young player named Carson Wentz to the injury list. He will get sacked 5 times and knocked down 16 times in the game.

    And then Ike Seumalo will feel great about himself.

  103. 103 Tumtum said at 9:02 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Not give up. Realize he needs to go back in the oven.

  104. 104 A_T_G said at 6:08 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    That is a good, and obvious, point that I completely failed to consider. If a guy was that fragile he wouldn’t work out in the long run anyway.

  105. 105 Insomniac said at 3:25 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    You don’t have to like it. For all we know, he could be struggling in practice as well. It’s not like Seumalo/Warmack are going up against scrubs in practice and it’s not going to get easier when his confidence easily gets shattered. So how long are you going to let him work it out on the field before he starts ruining more plays? You don’t because he can figure his butt out on the bench.

  106. 106 BlindChow said at 4:07 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    They may in fact be going against scrubs. From what I’ve read, backups/scout team typically practice against the first team on both sides (they try to mimic opposing offensive/defensive formations).

    That’s why last season it was a big deal when the WR’s were going to start practicing against 1st team CB’s.

  107. 107 Insomniac said at 4:28 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I thought our backups played pretty well in their limited snaps. Allen, Qualls and Vaeao might not be Cox and Jernigan but they’re solid for what they are.

  108. 108 John Galt said at 7:15 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    The second team DL was in there for the Hunt long TD. While I agree that they played okay, cant help but wonder if the first team was in there would that have happened. WOuld have been a different game without that play

  109. 109 Corry said at 5:00 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    “You don’t have to like it.”


  110. 110 Masked Man said at 7:06 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Chance had his 26th birthday a week ago. You’re criticizing the team for not going with one of the young guys?

    The team is not going to patiently let Isaac work out his issues at the expense of asking Carson to toss it 40+ times a game every week. Too risky!

    Get that run game going. Keep the defense honest. Pass it 32-35 times at the most. Go home with the win.

  111. 111 truehaynes said at 7:21 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Id prefer us to just move Isaac inside and put chance in. Kelce is awful at this point and does nothing in the run or pass game

  112. 112 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:12 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I’m on that flip side. No current player on the OL matters that much relative to Wentz. They be peanut ants. Whoever will protect Carson the best should start. This is still a development year for him before we launch the decade long dynasty of Philly dominance.

  113. 113 SteveH said at 3:18 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Can you feel the excitement in the air? It’s Rams Niners on TNF!!! About 13 people have been waiting all week for this.

  114. 114 Tumtum said at 3:19 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    But those are the 13 people going to the game.

  115. 115 Mac said at 3:25 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I’ve got my popcorn ready…

    To watch Dr. Strange on Netflix with my kids this evening.

  116. 116 Tumtum said at 4:05 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Let me know what you think. I want to be caught up with all the Marvel stuff, but Dr. Strange sounds lame.

  117. 117 Mac said at 4:37 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    You’re in luck… as I’ve already previewed the film “to make sure it’s ok for my kids.”

    I enjoyed the characters and actually wish they had more time to develop some of the supporting cast.
    Plenty of action for a super hero movie.
    Benedict Cumberbatch as lead actor plays a solid arrogant/flawed hero.
    Humor: dry wit and some slapstick.

    I came to this movie with very little knowledge of Dr. Strange. His character in the comics always made me wary… as someone who is “too powerful” to have any real challenger. I did not get that impression from this movie (which was nice). And he is almost 100% guaranteed to get more involved in other story lines as the infinity stone series comes to a head.

    TLDR: I enjoyed the film enough that I’m looking forward to watching it a second time.

  118. 118 Guy Media said at 6:48 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    It was a good movie. I enjoyed it a lot.

  119. 119 BlindChow said at 8:27 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    It has the best music score of any of the Marvel films, if you’re into that sort of thing…

  120. 120 Tumtum said at 9:01 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Music makes or breaks the movie. Most never realize it, but it does. So that is nice. Though I am not musical by any means.

  121. 121 Mac said at 10:45 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    My current favorite musical score for a kid oriented movie (and I know this is a bit dated, but it has held up) is the How to Train your Dragon. I actually bought the soundtrack from the movie and used it as background music for my kids birthday party.

  122. 122 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:17 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Get that. But its really good,. Actually one of their better ones IMO. The cast makes it go, and they did not go cheap on the talent. Watch it for that and because it feels like it will be key in much that is coming.

  123. 123 Tumtum said at 11:36 AM on September 22nd, 2017:

    Will do!

  124. 124 Guy Media said at 6:47 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I enjoyed it.

  125. 125 ChoTime said at 6:55 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Watched it last time I was sick. Pretty talented actors in that one.

  126. 126 P_P_K said at 4:21 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Those 13 people wouldn’t waste their time if the game was broadcast on Sunday.

  127. 127 sonofdman said at 5:03 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I got Carlos Hyde (and possibly Cooper Kupp) in fantasy so that at least gives me something to cheer for.

    For knowledgeable fantasy-types out there, for my third WR spot, should I start Cooper Kupp against the Niners (who have been decent defensively) or one-week wonder previous practice squad but possible top WR for the Browns, Rishard Higgins against the Colts (who have been terrible against WRs)? Any input appreciated.

  128. 128 D3FB said at 5:47 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I’m riding both Watkins and Kupp so I need a big performance tonight.

  129. 129 Insomniac said at 9:39 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Just take the L.

  130. 130 Guy Media said at 6:39 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Yup. Fantasy football has me watching WAY more Thursday night games than the quality of matchup would otherwise dictate.

  131. 131 Masked Man said at 7:00 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I think Kupp is the sure shot for productivity. Higher floor than Higgins, who could be exactly what you say – “1 week wonder.” Also the Rams are trying to break a losing streak against the Niners. They are most sure to air it out.

  132. 132 sonofdman said at 9:34 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Thanks for the input. I took a chance on Higgins with the good matchup. The tiebreaker for me is Thursday night games tend to be a crapfest.

  133. 133 Masked Man said at 10:06 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    You ask what I would do, then to the opposite huh?
    Haha. Good luck, anyway!

  134. 134 sonofdman said at 10:22 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    The last time I checked before I had to go out and set my lineup, no-one had responded yet. Thanks anyway!

  135. 135 Guy Media said at 6:44 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    New rule for Thursday night; move the best game we wouldn’t have been able to see due to the NFL broadcasting rules / poor decisions by Fox / CBS to the Thursday night slot. Fox example, Atlanta / Detroit is on at 1 PM when the Eagles are on. This should be the Thursday game so I can watch it live. Problem solved.

  136. 136 daveH said at 7:27 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Growing problem for the new NFL is that there are 6 of these per weekend

  137. 137 Nailed It! said at 7:30 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I mean that helps out the problem of having two crappy teams playing on Thursday, but isn’t the other common problem that the teams do not have enough time to properly game plan and practice certain situational plays that they have prepared for the specific team they are playing? Still seem that it will be a shitty product but between two better teams. Get rid of Thursday football period.

  138. 138 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:08 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Here’s a thought. At first, I thought posting this as humor, but the more I think about it, its worth seriously pondering.

    Thursday Night Football should follow 1 team all season. Like hard knocks. One team plays on Thursday every week. Or extended hard knocks. NFL primetime serious reality show.

    Despite the current alcohol content in me blood stream or because of it, that’s a brilliant fucking idea. Pay me.

  139. 139 A_T_G said at 10:19 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    That team would get a full week of prep every week while playing teams on 4 days prep, every week.

  140. 140 Dragon_Eagle said at 11:18 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    would that help the Jets?

  141. 141 Ankerstjernen said at 4:15 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Just because I am bored, I went back and watched highlights af Warmack coming out. He doesnt really seem to be a very mobile pass blocker, even from the college highlights, but he appears to be about twice as big as any defender tryng to rush him, and so he does really well in short areas. What stands out is that he just pancakes D-Linemen in the run game. Over and over. In his draft profile they say that he is technically sound, but I don’t get that. He doesnt seem to move his feet a lot or play with great balance and footwork. It’s just that he is so damn thick and heavy, nobody beats him in a shoving contest.

    I’ll believe that he improves on Seumalo’s pass blocking when I see it. But there is reason to believe that he will give them something in the run game. Lord knows we need that. So..

  142. 142 Guy Media said at 6:38 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    As long as he can big boy Harrison enough to slow him down a tad; it’ll be a help.

  143. 143 meteorologist said at 11:58 PM on September 22nd, 2017:

    Maybe the benching was matchup specific! Interesting

  144. 144 SteveH said at 7:11 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Mychal Kendricks for Malcom Butler trade proposal. I actually don’t like it because everyone who leaves New England turns into crap the moment they walk out the door.

    If you’d asked me a month ago I’d have said: SOLD!!!!!

  145. 145 daveH said at 7:25 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Agree. . And we’d be trading OUT of a guy at his peak and INTO and dude at his depth … send a 4th rounder w Butler. ..

  146. 146 RC5000 said at 8:37 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Eagles would probably get a significantly better chance of getting the 3rd instead of 4th for Rowe with Butler gone.

  147. 147 daveH said at 9:52 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    “Better chance to move up from the existing 4th to 3rd” is a few deck chairs on the titanic …
    Nowhere close to getting an all new pick, 3rd or 4th
    The morei think about it, i Def do not want this trade to happen. . Maybe for Butler AND Rowe
    Kendrix is turming to be super valuable. . We need the abled body AND he’s damn valuable

  148. 148 A_T_G said at 10:06 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    If we trade for Rowe and Butler in a few months we are going to need a dicagon defensive package – Cox and 10 corners.

  149. 149 daveH said at 11:24 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Did you really just say DDP ?

  150. 150 daveH said at 11:25 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Who’s down w DDP ..

  151. 151 RC5000 said at 11:30 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    The difference between 120th pick and 90th on the trade chart is 106 points which is worth pick 98 and a half. So that’s not true that it’s not close to getting a 4th round pick (which is like a 5th from them).

    And we don’t have a 2nd or 3rd so that’ll be great if we get a 3rd instead of the 4th.

    The thing is Kendricks doesn’t get on the field much according to this. . 43 snaps, 37.07%. And he’s gone next off season if that trend continues. And when was the last time he stayed healthy?

    But I’m not sure I really want Butler tbh. I just don’t know enough about what’s really going on with him right now. I know he came off the bench but he played 75% of the snaps vs. Saints.

  152. 152 Insomniac said at 9:24 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    No. We can’t pay him so he’s an one year rental opposed to Kendricks being locked up awhile. We’re also weakening our LBs and we know that there’s no one that can step up for Kendricks. There’s also him being older than we’d like and he’ll limit Jones/Douglas development.

  153. 153 RC5000 said at 2:21 PM on September 22nd, 2017:

    I think someone can step up for someone playing only 37% of the snaps? If they increase his snaps by the trade deadline (like double) and he doesn’t get hurt like he usually does, then maybe they’ll consider keeping him but they need more cap space next year. KGH is very athletic and Gerry is getting groomed and if they don’t like them they can find someone cheaper to play those little snaps.

    The 3rd corner plays a lot more than the 3rd linebacker in this defense.

    They should be allocating money accordingly or play Kendrcks 75% of the snaps.

    Meanwhile Bradham and Hicks play 100% of the snaps (116 total) and Bradham is a free agent next year.

    I’m not sold on Butler either way but CB is more important.

  154. 154 Insomniac said at 4:42 PM on September 22nd, 2017:

    No? They haven’t shown any moments in preseason where I could think that they would be a future starter. I’m not interested in what ifs and what could be right now. Kendricks is playing well and none of the guys behind him have the same skill set. There is no reason that Gerry/KGH should see the field besides ST and it should stay that way until they can prove that they deserve to be on the field next year.

  155. 155 wee2424 said at 9:28 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    It is a proposal thought up by a reporter. No meat to it, just day dreaming.

  156. 156 daveH said at 8:04 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Bigger story is the Aaron Hernandez CTE lawsuit against Pats and NFL .. wonder why they aren’t also suing University Florida

  157. 157 scratcherk said at 8:48 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Lot of Eagles nostalgia on the Rams…. Blake countess, derek carrier, raheem mostert

  158. 158 wee2424 said at 9:27 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Carrier? Don’t remember that one.

  159. 159 FairOaks said at 9:42 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Looking up…. spent 2012 on the Eagles’ practice squad.

  160. 160 daveH said at 11:26 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    I’d l liked to see Goff and Mostert play

  161. 161 Insomniac said at 9:26 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Gurley sucks, I hope the Rams trades him to us.

  162. 162 Dragon_Eagle said at 9:58 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Agreed. He’s on my FF team. Gonna bench that useless sh**.

  163. 163 A_T_G said at 10:03 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Wow, Giants could be 0-7. After us, TB, LAC, DEN, SEA.

  164. 164 Dragon_Eagle said at 10:09 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    They’ll beat us.

  165. 165 A_T_G said at 10:24 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    That would be…disappointing.

  166. 166 sonofdman said at 11:42 PM on September 21st, 2017:

    Shanahan is so lucky that onside kick just bailed him out from the terrible decision to call those two timeouts.

  167. 167 SteveH said at 12:33 AM on September 22nd, 2017:

    I just noticed the Phillies aren’t the worst team in baseball anymore, after their little winning streak. They don’t even have the decency to be comically bad, just boringly tepid instead.