Surprise Shootout

Posted: December 17th, 2017 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 402 Comments »

Weird things happen when the Eagles and Giants play in the Meadowlands. That was the case today, with the Eagles winning a shootout against a sputtering Giants offense. The Giants scored 27 points in the previous two weeks combined. Today, they put up 29 on the Eagles and that should have been more. Nick Foles came up big and put 34 points on the board to help the Eagles win.

Foles was supposed to be the big story, but the struggles of the Eagles defense will be what everyone talks about for the next week. Eli Manning threw for 434 yards. There were a lot of quick throws, but also big plays.

I was stunned when the Giants were at the 10-yard line with a chance to win the game. There was less than a minute left, but the Giants were right there knocking at the door. Eli was hot and the defense was out of sorts. Luckily Eli didn’t play well on the final few snaps and the Eagles defense did step up. They weren’t good, but they were good enough to win.

The Eagles are now 12-2 and have clinched a bye in the playoffs.

Foles finished the game 24-38-237. He threw 4 TD passes and didn’t turn the ball over. The offense played good situational football, going 6 of 13 on 3rd downs and 4 for 6 in the Red Zone. Foles kept the chains moving and made sure the offense scored TDs when they had the chance.

You have to give credit to the O-line. They gave Foles time to throw and he was able to take advantage of that. The receivers also came threw in a big way. Nelson Agholor had some clutch grabs and one really impressive TD catch.

This has been somewhat of a quiet year for the STs. Dave Fipp has not seen his guys make many big plays, aside from Jake Elliott. That changed today. The Eagles blocked an extra point, punt and FG. That kept four points off the board for the Giants and put seven on the board for the Eagles. Those were impact plays.

There were some big mistakes in the game.

  • Ronald Darby struggled. He did make a huge play, picking off a pass and returning it deep into Giants territory. It’s good he did that because he gave up too many catches and yards at other times.
  • Rodney McLeod missed a tackle along the sideline and that turned into a long TD for the Giants.
  • Najee Goode jumped offside on 4th/4…with the Giants trying to punt. Ugh. They turned that mistake into a TD a few plays later.
  • Nigel Bradham was called for a penalty for shoving a RB. That gave the Giants 15 free yards on a scoring drive.
  • Multiple CBs bit on slant n’ go routes and were burned. Jalen Mills gave up a TD on that.

Jim Schwartz has a lot of work to do with his defense. They must cover better and the dumb penalties have to stop. You can beat the crappy Giants playing sloppy football, but you won’t win in the postseason playing like that.

We do have to give Eli and the Giants some credit. When he’s hot, Eli is a good QB.

And this was the third straight road game for the Eagles. They went 2-1 in those games. The team didn’t always play clean, crisp football, but they found ways to win. There is something to be said for that.

There are mistakes to fix. There is work to be done. But the team is 12-2 and has clinched a bye. There is also some reason to be happy.

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  • Koy: The Legend of Neckbeard

    Defense looked like a team playing December football with their season already over. Super weird vibe. Maybe they psyched themselves out.

    Credit to the Giants, they could’ve beaten us today.

  • Guy Media

    “Jim Schwartz has a lot of work to do with his defense.”

    YUP; less time prepping answers for questions in head coaching interviews and more time prepping a better game plan and/or coaching the D. The Eagles scred enough point to win that game wire to wire, but soft / lazy / gutless / disorganized / garbage “defesne” almost lost it for them.

    • FairOaks

      Second time in a row Eli has lit up his defense — mostly on the short throws that Schwartz seems fine with giving up, but Eli can make work on long scoring drives. Eagles D recovered just fine from that game — we can hope that only Eli has those particular skills. But other QBs may.

      Will be looking at the D next week, for sure — back home finally, which could make a difference.

      • Guy Media

        The fact that Schwartz didn’t get them more ready to stop those throws relative to week 3, especially with a way better compliment of D backs, is really really really poor.

      • xeynon

        Brees and Ryan both have those skills, as do Wilson and Goff to a lesser degree. And of course Brady and Roethlisberger do if we get to the SB. We’re going to be playing good quarterbacks in the playoffs.

        • FairOaks

          Yep, Brees and Wilson are the ones I worry about most. We did shut down Ryan last year.

      • Ankerstjernen

        If we somehow end up playing the Patriots we are going to see Chris Hogan set historic records for YAC and catches. It will be a bloodbath.

  • Guy Media

    “You have to give credit to the O-line. They gave Foles time to throw and he was able to take advantage of that. The receivers also came threw in a big way. Nelson Agholor had some clutch grabs and one really impressive TD catch.”

    True. They were really good today. Keeping up that level of effort will result in some more great scoring days for sure.

    • Dave

      I give Doug tons of credit for Kelce’s resurgence. For as much as Jason has admitted he worked on his fundamentals in the off-season, his ability in space on LBs whether pulling or just getting 2 the second level is his strength.

      A lot of big okays were due to Kelce’s down-field blocking.

      • Guy Media

        Yeah, Kelce’s head seems to be unstuck from his ass.

  • Julescat

    will this be the last time we see Eli?

    • Guy Media

      Nope. He’s back next year.

      • FairOaks

        It will be interesting to see if the Giants take a QB with their first pick. If so, you wonder if Eli would want to be part of that situation, and even then if the Giants would prefer to trade him anyways to get some more draft assets.

        • Guy Media

          They’ll probably take a QB, but let Eli do a farewell tour.

          • CrackSammich

            If I’m Eli, I play as long as someone is paying me to. Eli doesn’t have anywhere near the charisma his brother has–he’s not getting the commercial deals and broadcasting gigs.

          • Guy Media

            Yup, but it burns me that the Eagles never took his away his ability to play. Seriously who the F is Eli to have passed Jaws on the games played list?

          • Bert’s Bells

            I actually think Eli is way more likeable that Peyton. Peyton radiates “bible-thumping asshole who molests kids” to me. Eli is just kind of a try-hard doofus.

          • Dave

            Yeah, I don’t see a team trading for him and I don’t see the Giants letting him walk and starting a rookie.

          • FairOaks

            Jacksonville and/or Denver might be interested. Though Denver never wants to give up something significant, draft-pick-wise.

          • Dave

            Oops, I forgot about Coughlin. Could definitely see that happening.

  • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

    No pressure on Eli.
    Giant receivers running wide open all over the place.
    Missed tackles.
    Piss poor angles taken.
    Even too many rushing yards given up to no-name RBs.

    A totally disgusting performance.

    We’ve gone from SB favorites to lucky-if-we-win-a-playoff-game in a matter of a week. Aaarrrrgghhhh!

    • Guy Media

      I’m not that despondent for the rest of the year as I saw the piss poor D the last two weeks ass effort based. They just need to want to play better and hopefully use the lift from the home crowd to their advantage.

    • xeynon

      Too pessimistic. They’re still a good team and are certain to be playing in favorable circumstances in round 1 (rested, at home, against a lower seeded team). But yeah the defensive performance absolutely must improve for them to make a run.

    • Buge Halls

      You’ve to remember that this was an NFC East rivalry game – always tough. Those guys were playing tough to be spoilers and to keep their jobs next season. They had quit under the old coach, some energy under the new one

      • Bert’s Bells

        The defense played poorly and in an NFC East game, you’re usually gonna lose when that happens. These are games in their own bubble.

  • Mitchell

    12-2 baby!!!!!

    • Guy Media

      Nice feeling, just wish it was after a 38-17 win or something of that easy to view nature.

  • Iskar36

    Defense is certainly a story to look at moving forward, but one step at a time… Today, the question was how much of a drop off do we have with Foles compared to Wentz. Obviously, it is one game against a bad football team, but Foles played a very solid game. Clearly he isnt Wentz, but if he plays like this moving forward, he gives us a chance to win games moving forwats which is all you can ask for.

    • Guy Media

      If they choose to start defending again, Foles should be able to score enough points to win games.

      • Iskar36

        Exactly. We will see if the defense returns to form, but we have seen this group play at a high level in the past. So we at least have something to look at to give us confidence. The offense was basically an unknown with thw change to Foles going into today.

        • Guy Media

          Getting home again should help.

        • Dave

          Problem is they have been exposed by Eli twice, throwing quick accurate passes. Our DBs do not play press coverage and are either trailing the receivers on crossing routes, or playing 7 – 10 yards off the line and giving up easy completions.

          Once the playoffs start they should expect this to become the norm, until the DBs show they fan actually cover receivers without having the QB throwing inaccurate passes under duress.

  • Someguy77

    So much for the over/under on this game at 40.5. That was exceeded by half.

    • Guy Media

      Would have been nice to have gotten there via a 38-3 final.

  • Insomniac

    Gurley destroying the Seahawks like he’s destroying me in fantasy football.

    • Guy Media

      Amazing to see Rams winning at Seattle in such a manner as the way each team played vs. us over the last two would should be leading to the opposite result.

    • A_T_G

      Ouch. In my money league, he is on the team that I will play in the championship next week if things continue along the current trend. At halftime, Gurly has more points than the entire other team.

      Get it out of your system this week big boy. Take next week off.

      • CTbirdsguy

        Same boat…trying to win today so I can get the 2nd place money next week

  • Someguy77

    Didn’t see many Eli faces today but that one after the 4th down to end the game made my day.

    Got to see one similar to this as the Eagles ran off the clock with ‘solemn and kind of stoic but too ridiculous Eli face’ on the sidelines.

    http://s3-ak.buzzfeed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/6/20/anigif_enhanced-buzz-5318-1381104795-12.gif

    • xeynon

      Normally I enjoy Eli face as much as the next Eagles fan, but I don’t know what it is this year, I don’t enjoy schadenfreude at his expense as much as I normally do. I almost feel sorry for him. Maybe it’s coach jerking him around and scapegoating him for failures that aren’t really his fault.

  • A_T_G

    Antonio Brown headed to hospital with calf injury. That can’t be good.

    • Guy Media

      They’re being dishonest with what they think that injury is if he’s going to the hospital.

      • A_T_G

        Well, the team didn’t necessarily label it, the broadcast did.

        Achilles? Broken bone?

        • Guy Media

          Achilles, maybe. Simple bone break, not likely. Torn / ruptured blood vessels; that’s an emergency.

      • xeynon

        They took X-rays; if it was a broken bone they probably would’ve identified it from that. Could be a torn muscle. Either way likely something serious.

        • Guy Media

          Yup, run of the mill injury, even a season ending one, doesn’t get you a hospital visit right away.

  • greenblood0118

    The defense was giving me PTSD flashbacks of Billy Davis and his can’t-tackle-my-paraplegic-grandma secondary…

    • Guy Media

      Too true. These dudes have played like straight up punks for the last two weeks.

    • A_T_G

      Sorry to hear that. How is she doing?

      • CrackSammich

        Well! She’s started a school for children with advanced abilities and it’s really taking off. The balding is a little strange, though.

  • xeynon

    Tony Romo is legitimately great as a color commentator.

    • A_T_G

      Yep. I am not even embarrassed to say I enjoy him any more.

      Although I thought he took liberties earlier when he said, “Great quarterbacks, we love seeing zone defenses…”

      • xeynon

        Haha yeah. He’s a better commentator than he was a QB (which isn’t really a slight, as I said he’s a great commentator).

        But he called that 4th down conversion to Gronkowski before it even happened. He’s so quick to pick up on things and he points out the critical information very efficiently.

  • xeynon

    Has there ever been a great player who looks like he’s putting in less effort than Laveon Bell? He looks like he’s jogging out there half the time and then suddenly he’s ten yards down field or in the end zone.

    • Guy Media

      Yeah, he has a very unique style.

    • meteorologist

      Reminds me of Desean running deep with his effortless stride. Only Leveon makes it look even more lackadaisical

  • xeynon

    Brady is looking every day of forty years old today.

    • Guy Media

      If New England loses here it cause all types of stomach ulcers with a potential Jacksonville matchup in the playoffs. Or even falling into the 3rd seed.

      • xeynon

        I won’t complain. I respect Brady as one of the greatest ever but man do I sports-hate him.

        • Guy Media

          I hate Pittsburgh fans more and can’t stomach the possibility of the Steelers getting another title.

          • xeynon

            My mom is from Pittsburgh and my uncles and cousins are all Steelers fans. They annoy me a bit, but they’re nowhere near as obnoxious as the fan bases of several other teams, the Patriots among them.

          • Guy Media

            You must not have spent time at Penn State as a 4 for 4 Philadelphia fan. Pittsburgh fans are brutal.

          • xeynon

            Nope, but I did live in New England for awhile, and have the biggest Masshole ever as a roommate once.

            Other than the Penguins, Pittsburgh teams aren’t really Philly rivals, so they’ve never bothered me much.

          • Guy Media

            Yeah, different experience with proximity to different fan bases. Pittsburgh is my 2nd most hated behind New York. I hate the Cowboys, but they have about 3 fans.

          • bsuperfi

            Over the summer, I was talking to a woman at a barbecue who said she was a Red Sox fan. The bbq was in Chicago, and she was from central IL. I then asked her facetiously if she was a Cowboys fan too, and she said yes. There are far too many crappy Cowboys fans in this small world.

      • CrackSammich

        Why, do the Patriots struggle against Coughlin or something?

        • Guy Media

          Ha, only if they’re choking by not defending easy to defend passes and/or dropping easy to catch ones.

        • xeynon

          I don’t know about struggling against Coughlin specifically, but they definitely struggle against aggressive defenses which play man coverage and can rush the passer with four guys. See not only the SB losses to the Giants but also the multiple playoff defeats to the Rex Ryan Jets, Broncos, Ravens, etc. over the years.

        • Insomniac

          Not many teams are going to do well against that D. That’s almost a historical D right there.

  • CrackSammich

    I’m not gonna make any grand proclamations about Foles based on how he played against a bad defense, but I’ll say two things: 1. it didn’t look like he did anything that wasn’t repeatable or was due to fancy play design, and 2. He looked pretty solid, so maybe not in good hands, but certainly not in bad hands. That one throw to Torrey should have been his 5th TD.

  • Guy Media

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21794369/carolina-panthers-owner-jerry-richardson-reached-settlements-sexual-racial-allegations

    Jerry Richardson is G.O.N.E! He was already a completely anti-labor POS during the lockout who had to get told to F off by Mara and Kraft, but he was also likely one of of the guys in Jerrah’s anti-Goodell cabal that failed miserably. Paybacks are a bitch Jerry!

    • Dave

      I hate when the excuse is “it’s just and old guy from another era being creepy”. He has all the power over his employees. He knows that and exploited it thinking he was invincible.

      • Guy Media

        You can almost try to semantic your way around the creepy old man stuff, but the racial stuff with the scout is lethal. All of them together resulting in financial settlements is doubly damning. No wonder why these scumbags refuse to ever open up their books for analysis.

  • Guy Media

    Has Nigel Bradham been abused enough yet for his nonsense today? Stupid 15 yard penalty and dropping yet another INT that would have been vital.

  • xeynon

    Man, Gronkowski is annoying.

    It appears Schwartz is not the only defensive coach incapable of making defensive adjustments though. How many times can you be burned playing zone defense or manning him up in single coverage before you put an extra guy on him?

  • CrackSammich

    Rowe giving up the game right there.

    • xeynon

      I was just gonna say… I’m not regretting trading him away. He’s not good.

    • SteveH

      Death Rowe bringing death to the Patriots.

  • xeynon

    That looks like a catch to me.

    • FairOaks

      Think it should be a catch, as I thought he caught it and turned upfield basically, but going-to-the-ground rule may still apply.

      Yep, ugh.

      • xeynon

        Ball moved but he still had his hand under it.

        • FairOaks

          It was still touching the ground at that moment though. If he was still going to the ground, I would say incomplete. It’s just that he seemed to have control, then turn upfield — that is sometimes the rule, they are looking for a change of direction after control. Used to be a “football move”, but I think it’s now change of direction or turning upfield, which you could argue there, taking the going-to-the-ground out of it.

          I do think they need to fine-tune that rule a bit. I mostly don’t have a problem about going-to-the-ground normally but that was due to a separate move after he had control. But it’s arguable.

          • xeynon

            Okay, but in this case he already broke the plane with the ball under control. You can’t fumble after doing that, how can a pass be incomplete?

            It’s just a dumb, bad rule that should not decide big games.

          • FairOaks

            It can be ruled incomplete on the sidelines after the play is dead too, if you don’t keep control. That part is consistent to me.

            I just don’t think the going-to-the-ground part should have come into play on that one, as the rule is often that a change of direction after control makes it a catch. Or at least that aspect shouldn’t have been obvious enough to overturn.

  • SteveH

    I hate these fucking catch rules when it comes to stretching past the goal line. They need to fix this shit.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Not a catch. Clearly hit the ground without control.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    Stupid Ben.

  • SteveH

    Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. The Steelers jobbed that so hard.

  • Guy Media

    I think I’ve seen everything.

  • A_T_G

    I actually feel bad for Steeler fans tonight. That was an awful ending.

    • Guy Media

      I don’t, fuck them. They can go slide their needle dicks into those rings they like to bring up all the time.

    • A_T_G

      Edit: as long as those fans weren’t born and raised in Eagles territory, because that is just trolling.

    • xeynon

      I’m just annoyed as a football fan.

      That was a great game, back-and-forth, between two great teams, and it’s decided on a Mickey Mouse rule like that? Unreal.

  • GermanEagle

    I hate the Patriots so bad.

  • xeynon

    Man what an unsatisfactory end to a great game.

    HFA should not be decided on an iffy call on review like that.

    • SteveH

      It’s the same stupid shit with the fumble out the back of the end zone. Someone reaches for the pylon, ball gets knocked loose, goes out of bounds, other team gets the ball. The people who make these rules are fucking paste eating stupid shits.

      • FairOaks

        That has been a rule forever though. Normally the ball is placed where it goes out of bounds, but you really can’t call that a TD. There is a lot riding on making it over that line with control, so I’m not sure I mind the punitive rules there. Take care of the ball.

        The catch rules have been tweaked constantly recently. I honestly think they aren’t awful, but there are a number of situations which go too far in ruling it incomplete. This one is a bit over the borderline to me. I would have let the play stand, assuming the refs ruled a change of direction after control.

        • SteveH

          That’s retarded, just give the ball back to the team that fumbled it at the 1 yard line, boom, problem fucking solved.

          • FairOaks

            Hell no. Don’t fumble in that situation. 15 yard penalty, possibly.

            There is a massive difference on being tackled six inches short of the line too. It’s a special line and I don’t mind special rules.

          • SteveH

            You know what? That’s going to be my new stance. If you fumble the ball out of the end zone it’s a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty because they didn’t treat the special zone with the respect it deserves.

  • SteveH

    Unreal. I fucking hate the catch rules. That’s so fucking stupid that someone can have control of the ball and reach for a TD and have it be incomplete. If you have control of the fucking ball and you stretch it across the goal line it’s a fucking touchdown.

    • Guy Media

      I’d like to see the rule expanded to guys doing the sneaky lunge of the ball over the line, but then having it slapped out. I think that should be a fumble to make it consistent with the catch rule.

      • A_T_G

        Maybe when the player gets up and tosses it to the official, if the official drops it calling it a fumble.

      • Sean E

        If it was a fumble that would mean he had possession, which would mean it’s a TD the moment it crosses the goal line.

        • Guy Media

          I don’t mean on a pass completion, I mean when a RB or QB does the quick pop the ball forward / pull it back after their forward progress is basically stopped. It should be a fumble if it gets slapped out when they extend the ball.

    • Sean E

      In real time I immediately knew it wasn’t a catch, and couldn’t understand why nantz and Romo wanted to confirm it so fast.

      • SteveH

        They come from a hallowed era of football where it doesn’t take a team of 8 people and 12 slow motion cameras to determine if someone caught a football or not.

        • Sean E

          I thought it was clear in real time though. He goes to the ground and bobbles it when he hits the ground.

          • SteveH

            I thought he kept his hands under it. He fucked up when he let it touch the ground. The point is Romo and Nantz started their careers when considerations like that weren’t considerations. He had possession, he put it over the goal line, it’s a touchdown – that’s what they were thinking, they were just wrong.

  • Someguy77

    It is really hard to root for Brady and Belicheck at this point outside of NE but I do love to see disappointed Steelers’ fans.

    Steelers’ fans aren’t the front runners or as obnoxious as Cowboys’ fans but they definitely project an arrogance vibe too. I guess it comes from not really having any kind of down period except a very brief patch in the 80s the past 45 years.

    • Guy Media

      Yup; they’re insufferable.

    • xeynon

      As if Patriots fans aren’t arrogant and obnoxious?

      This is, at best, evil vs. evil.

      • Someguy77

        I was in Boston from 1995 until 2005. It was different especially early on.

        Seemed like once Brady dumped a pregnant Moynahan in 2007 for Gisele and ‘Spygate’ happened his transition to being a douche was complete.

  • A_T_G

    Gronk was asked 5 or 6 questions and every answer was the same: hard work. His list of speaking points is very short.

    • Someguy77

      Yeah he wouldn’t be winning too many Scrabble tournaments any time soon.

    • SteveH

      Gronk is stupid in such a delightful way that even though he’s on the Patriots I can’t bring myself to hate him. And I hate Patriots players I’ve never even heard of before. They might have just been called up from the practice squad and I hold a death grudge against them.

      • sonofdman

        I feel the same way about Gronk an about the rest of the Patriots.

  • Ray888

    ROWE !

  • Someguy77

    https://deadspin.com/tom-brady-owns-the-steelers-1791575072

    Now makes Brady 11-2 vs Steelers including 6-1 vs Tomlin.

    Twitter hashtag #Bradysbitch

    • Guy Media

      Steelers fans have a nasty undercurrent of dislike of Tomlin, this won’t help.

      • Someguy77

        Pretty much. All because he is 8-6 in the playoffs and ‘only won one Super Bowl’

  • SteveH

    And you know what? Fuck Roethlisberger too, who the fuck throws a 3 yard pattern in the flat in that situation? And if you’re going to run 1 more play make it a real play you dented head troglodyte, you had 8 seconds you didn’t have to fake a spike that everyone saw coming anyhow. Just throw the fucker out of bounds if you have to what the fuck.

    • Guy Media

      He’s a pretty dumb individual………on top of being a rapist.

      • Dave

        His career would have gone the way of Ray Rice if that shit happened today…justifiably so.

        • ChoTime

          meh, Ray Rice was already finished as a player and Big Ben is still one of the very best QBs in the world.

          • Dave

            Huh, he was a 26 year old RB and three-time Pro Bowler.

          • ChoTime

            His last year: #30th in the league by yards, 0 TD, #45 in Y/A

            Someone like that screws up, you drop him like a hot potato. Someone who’s actually moving the needle, they get protected.

          • Dave

            Seems shortsighted without analyzing his oline and QB play, considering the year before he was in the Pro Bowl. Two years before that he was also in the Pro Bowl.

          • ChoTime

            My guess is, TBTB made a “business decision.” There are plenty of backs who can produce if you give them a chance. We have three or four on our team, for example. Likewise, if Colin Kaepernick was so good that he could move the needle, he would not be lacking offers to start.

      • SteveH

        He probably can’t fix the rapist but maybe if he made a habit of wearing a helmet when he slams into objects at 60 miles an hour he wouldn’t make decisions like a cave man raised on a diet of crayons.

        • Dragon_Eagle

          Crayons are nutritious.

  • A_T_G

    Tennessee making sure the Giants have the #2 pick.

    • Dave

      Which will be the #2 QB. At least they don’t get top choice…unless the #1 QB refuses to play for Cleveland.

      • A_T_G

        Like that could ever happen…

        • Dave

          Cleveland the city sucks. The Browns ownership absolutely sucks. But that fan base, they are awesome and hungry. Having the Dawg Pound behind you and playing in the AFC Central post-Roethlisberger could be a great situation for a QB.

          • Someguy77

            I would have loved to been in the stands for a Steelers-Browns during the heyday of the Dawg Pound in the mid-to-late 1980s when Kosar was there playing in the ‘Mistake by the Lake.’

            Remembered as fondly as the Vet is by many Eagles’ fans.

          • Someguy77

            Funny thing is that Kosar is genuinely beloved by the Browns’ fans yet he only went 53-51-1 in his carer there and with the exception of 1987 kind of sucked in the playoffs.

          • Dave

            I know they have LeBron, but Cleveland is very much like Philly in that they are a football city. All other sports take a backseat to football, exactly opposite of Boston.

          • Someguy77

            Yeah I hope the Browns get back to being a playoff team sooner than later.

            Deserve much better than they have gotten the past 25 years.

          • SteveH

            My favorite part about Lebron is he totally left them for 4 years for a better opportunity, and then the moment it was in his interest to come back to Cleveland (because it wasn’t working in Miami anymore) they welcomed him back like he never abandoned them in the first place. They’re like the abused spouse of sports fans, always willing to forgive as long as daddy Lebron says he loves them again.

          • FairOaks

            Eh… he left because of an awful owner who was never going to get them over the top.

            After leaving Miami, he could have played kingmaker on a lot of different teams, but he chose to go back to Cleveland and do it there. I have to respect that. He basically played the Sixers game remotely — left so the Cavaliers would get the top draft picks for several years, and so they had someone he could actually pair with to be a top team.

            The whole going to Miami thing was handled pretty poorly, but it seemed like immaturity more than anything else. Since then he seemed to grow out of it, and I have a hard time criticizing him since.

          • sonofdman

            Honestly, the city itself is not that bad. I went to college there. But, the Browns ownership surely does suck.

  • Dave

    When does Schwartz send a message to Mills and Darby by spelling them with Rasul.

    Darby is so up and down. I do like that he can at least play press. Not sure if he is being told to play off at times and give up easy passes or if that is his decision.

    Mills’ MO is to play off and give up a ton of catches on the short stuff. Anything deep is a PI waiting to happen.

    Patrick Robinson has been exposed in the past 3 weeks on short crossing routes.

    • GENETiC-FREAK

      Think Douglas would be the same. The thing that gets me is when the CBs play close but dont press. Pretty much giving the WR free release. Surprised Douglas was inactive though. They had to use Graham as CB cover.

      • Dave

        Douglas as a rookie has looked a million times better than Mills as a rookie. Schwartz seems very much like Chip Kelly in that he plays favorites to the detriment of the team.

  • Someguy77

    If Schwartz does have a pretty lengthy press conference this week with the media on Tues., it could get pretty ugly.

    He was chippy last week after the Rams’ game and a bit terse. After this week, the Philly media guys will hound and harass him the entire press conference.

    • Guy Media

      They need to ask him if he had any time leftover from prepping for head coach interviews to devote to game planning for the exact same crap the Giants ran in week 3.

  • Someguy77

    I’ll give it to Brady – he is the greatest and it increasingly it is less and less close.

    He wasn’t great today but considering how hobbled he looked with that Achilles’ injury I give him a lot of credit.

    Game-winning drive and 2-point conversion late in the game to finish the Steelers on the road in a critical game. Pass protection was inconsistent at best yet he avoided any killer shots and only got sacked 2 times.

    • daveH

      Radio was nonstop ankit a Steelers catch that was a beautiful catch exude for a tiny ball to that caused the refs to disallow

  • SteveH

    You know, I had almost forgotten about this but i definitely noticed it during the broadcast, Chris Spielman talking about throwing baseballs at kids heads sounded like he was just copping to child abuse. I’m not sure that it becomes acceptable to throw baseballs at kids faces in the context of making sure they catch footballs away from their bodies. What a weirdo.

    • Dragon_Eagle

      Yeah, that was awkward.

    • sonofdman

      Yeah, all I could think was “what an asshole” when he was talking with glee about throwing baseballs at his kids heads.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        My thoughts exactly.

        I throw all my 2 year olds into the deep end. All the survivors are great swimmers. #bestdad

    • Someguy77

      Did he really say that? I was listening to the radio feed with Reese and Quick.

      • SteveH

        Yeah he was talking about teaching kids to catch the ball away from their body, and then went on this weird tangent about how he starts with like tennis balls or something and then switches to throwing baseballs at their face and they “learn to get their hands up real quick after that”. Just a bizarre moment,

    • ChoTime

      There’s no school like the old school.

    • Ankerstjernen

      I thought the same exact thing, like what the fuck man? “Ya, throw baseballs at their heads and they get real good at getting their hands up.” That is a case for child services, is it not? what a truly weird thing to say on air.

  • Guy Media
    • SteveH

      Someone needs to troll the shit out of Richardson with some “WE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR GAME” posters and then a crying Richardson being lead off in handcuffs.

      • Guy Media

        Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

      • Dave

        Who can afford to buy them? The NFL has pretty strict bylaws that a team must be owned by a family or families. No corporations allowed as owners.

        Calling Mark Cuban.

        • Guy Media

          The league can always buy the team and just have the front office run it for a year by reporting to the league.

    • FairOaks

      Was going to say, not sure how you fire an owner, but that is one way.

      He’ll have a whole lot of extra money lying around to pay out in civil suits, if it comes to that.

      • Guy Media

        Looks like he already paid out.

    • Sean E

      Wtf??? Wonder if they will demo the stupid ridiculous statue if him

      • Guy Media

        I’ll bring a sledge hammer.

        • Dragon_Eagle

          I’ll pay for it.

          • Guy Media

            Do I strike you as the type of dude who doesn’t have one handy?

            But thank you for offering!

    • A_T_G

      So Jerry Jones will be announcing next week, right?

      • sonofdman

        Why would you suspect that an old rich asshole who hosts the head of officiating on a party bus with strippers (likely actually prostitutes) have anything shady to hide?

      • Guy Media

        I don’t doubt for a second that Goodell would LOVE to jam Jones up big time in retaliation for Jones trying to torpedo Goodell’s contract / compensation. To be really honest, messing with my income / money is a profound way is an open invitation to a beat down.

  • Dragon_Eagle

    So, Head coaching vacancies seems likely for the…

    1) New York Giants
    2) Cleveland Browns
    3) Cincinnati Bengals
    4) Indianapolis Colts
    5) Chicago Bears
    and the
    6) Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    Missing anyone?

    • SteveH

      Pittsburgh Steelers.

      • Dragon_Eagle

        Head coach, not QB.

        • SteveH

          Why not both meme.

    • Guy Media

      Nasty Houston rumor floating around.

      • Duracell

        That seems like the wrong move.

        • Guy Media

          The mental midget clown GM and the coach don’t like each other is the issue.

    • daveH

      Green Bay

      • xeynon

        I think McCarthy survives… that is a conservative organization (sometimes to a fault) and McCarthy has a built-in excuse for missing the playoffs with Rodgers missing half the season.

        • daveH

          Agree. .but his timer it’s running and he is on the next list

  • FairOaks

    Antonio Brown has a partially torn calf muscle, per reports.

    Expected to miss next week at least but be back for the playoffs.

  • ChoTime

    Lot of teams bringing the hammer today on the pretenders. Is KC back?

    Would have liked to see the Patriots go down.

    • Guy Media

      What if KC is back, is the 4 seed, and beats NE for you in the divisional round?

  • Guy Media

    Given the current draft order, do we like
    1) Browns – Lamar Jackson
    2) Giants – Rosen or Darnold
    3) Colts – Saquon Barkley

    • CrackSammich

      Colts should also be looking at QB.

      • Guy Media

        Should vs. their owner wouldn’t allow that are vastly different.

    • xeynon

      I’m not big on Jackson – I think he’s the second coming of RG3.

      Higher on Rosen than on Darnold, and I think he’s a likely target for the Giants.

      Colts should be taking an OL. I think Barkley’s stock has slid a bit this season and he’s not going to go top 5.

      • Guy Media

        I’m only calling for Jackson at number one because of the RG3 comp and Haslem’s love affair with RG3.

    • Insomniac

      Jackson ain’t a QB.

      • Guy Media

        I’m 100% not a fan, but I’m trying to handicap what Cleveland might do.

    • kajomo

      No way Lamar Jackson goes #1. They hired veteran GM for a reason. He will probably draft Rosen.

      I think Darnold stays in school. He needs more experience.

      • Guy Media

        I’ll believe anything sane with Cleveland when I see it.

  • Guy Media

    Dak = sucky bastard

    • kajomo

      Every Dallas fan would sneer at this, but Foles is probably a comparable QB to Dak on a talent level. Foles is our back up and Dak is their savior.

      • FairOaks

        Oof. Each is good at things the other is not, hard to compare. Foles much better at diagnosing defenses and figuring out where to throw. Escapability in the pocket is nowhere near Dak though, who can hurt you running too. Dak has much higher upside probably, but as for who is best right now, hard to say. Both would probably do great behind that OL and running game.

        • kajomo

          That’s what’s I’m saying. Similar NFL ability.

  • SteveH

    AHAHAHAAHAHA Dak sucks nice int goober.

  • kajomo

    I always though Jeff Fisher was overrated, but think about this.

    All 3 of the highest seeded NFC teams are starting QBs that failed under Fisher in St Louis.

    • Dave

      Case Keenan is a game manager playing with a truly dominate defense.

      That being said, Jeff Fisher was the World’s Most Okayest Head Coach. He was to coaching what Leroy Hoard was to running backs, as evidenced by Leroy’s awesome quote: “If you need one yard, I’ll get you three. If you need five yards, I’ll get you three.”

  • SteveH

    If Dak sucks enough I’m going to start taunting my Cowboys friend by offering him Nick Foles for a 1st and a 3rd after the season is over – they need a true franchise QB after all.

    • A_T_G

      Point out to him it would be like getting an extra first round pick.

  • SteveH

    If there were awards for flare outs to the flat then Dak would be first team all pro.

  • SteveH

    Jack Del Rio always looks like he hasn’t slept in about 3 weeks.

  • GENETiC-FREAK

    With Brown out, Wilson struggling again this season, Brady looking like 40 years old. Does Wentz win MVP? I think he got a good chance to take it now.

    • Guy Media

      Nope; Tom Brady wins again.

    • SteveH

      If Wentz wasn’t injured I think he’d be the presumptive MVP right now. Wilson and Brady were both bad to average the last 2 weeks, Antonio Brown is a WR, Alex Smith is fallen back to earth… Who else then?

      • Insomniac

        Gurley?

        • SteveH

          Not if Wentz was still healthy.

        • A_T_G

          He has been a monster lately.

  • SteveH

    Jesus why is Derek Carr so bad now? Dude can’t execute even the simplest throws. Amazing to think the Raiders were considered a serious super bowl contender before the year.

    • Guy Media

      Bad o-line.

      • GENETiC-FREAK

        Haha dont they have the most expensive OL too

        • Guy Media

          But, but they’re playing like a bunch of bums.

      • SteveH

        bad OL doesn’t explain how he can miss slants to receivers running with no defenders on them. That’s just simple pitch and catch for even the worst starting QB.

  • SteveH

    Raiders like to surrender those throws to the flat. Info for next week.

    • Guy Media

      And we like to not get any yards by throwing there; interesting element of next week’s game.

  • A_T_G

    If drawing weak PI calls earned fantasy points, Dez would still be in my starting lineup.

  • SteveH

    Terrible PI call there but whatever, the Raiders are awful, I’m just praying that Dak throws a couple more lame ducks.

  • SteveH

    So I really hope we get rid of Torrey Smith next year. He just isn’t a fit for us. Today he had 2 boneheaded plays, one where he ran backwards and took away a 1st down, another one where he caught what should have been a touchdown but inexplicably turtled up and got tackled.

    This isn’t new, he’s been doing dumb still all year, he has bad hands, he’s not really a great blocker, and we have someone who can run real fast in Mack Hollins right there to replace him.

    Cut bait save the money spend elsewhere next year.

    • Guy Media

      That deal was written with that in mind.

    • meteorologist

      He also was part of a double team block that the defender split to make the play on a screen pass…

    • xeynon

      I agree with you. Smith is a credible deep threat and is an upgrade over what we had at WR2 last year (which isn’t saying much given that DGB is now out of the league). But he’s eminently replaceable and not remotely worth a $5 million cap hit.

  • SteveH

    Holy shit this Raiders game could get ugly.

  • Guy Media

    So the Raiders are looking like crap vs. one of the most overrated organizations in the history of sports; the Eagles better win in a laugher next week.

  • meteorologist

    As happy as I am to get the win (the fact that the worst we can finish is 12-4 is mind boggling)… We didn’t play well enough.

    Keep playing like that and we will be one and done in the playoffs. Waiting for improvement.

    Oh and is it commonly accepted yet that the Vikings are the team to beat in the NFC?

    • GENETiC-FREAK

      Their D is legit.

    • FairOaks

      That will probably be the talking points this week. Their D is probably better than ours.

      I’m still sort of chalking this up as “division game” syndrome, and Eli having Schwartz’ number to an extent. But it was less forgivable this game because the Giants did not have the WR weapons they had earlier (and we didn’t have Darby either). We also couldn’t get pressure on Eli either. Part of their game plan but still frustrating given their patchwork OL. Maybe all their backups were better than the original starters.

      I do wonder if we try to get Sidney Jones into the lineup, especially in the last game if we have home field wrapped up. Might be a good player to have in the playoffs in a pinch.

    • xeynon

      I wouldn’t call the Vikings “the team to beat” – I don’t think the NFC has one of those this year. The Eagles, Vikings, and Rams are all about on the same level.

      I’m just not sure I trust the Vikings on the road outdoors, or Keenum in the playoffs.

  • GENETiC-FREAK

    Is their a Kuechly/Lee type player in the draft? Lee takes that D to another level. I wouldnt mind Eagles spending their 1st pick or a high pick on a MLB,WLB. Hicks is rangy but injury prone. Our LBs dont seem to have the chess mindset like Lewis, Lee, Kuechly, Wagner etc

    • SteveH

      Lee is injury prone. Almost comically so.

      • GENETiC-FREAK

        Haha yeah he is. Without the injuries is their a LB with their skillsets? I think a stud LB in the middle takes our D to another level.

    • A_T_G

      Hicks is very comparable to Lee.

      • Guy Media

        Yup; neither is on the field enough.

      • GENETiC-FREAK

        I think physically but mentally not same level. Impressess the heck out of me when the LB is calling out what play is coming. Audibles n changes. Like Lewis vs Manning/Brady. Havent seen Hicks make a command like that on the fly regualary

        • CrackSammich

          You haven’t seen Hicks regularly then.

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Coz hes always injured lol

        • xeynon

          I’ve heard numerous coaches say Hicks is one of the smartest players they’ve ever coached. He doesn’t have 8 years of NFL experience like Lee does, but I think he gets to Lee’s level if he can stay healthy long enough.

          • GENETiC-FREAK

            Yeah think health is a big issue. I also think the struggles with the D has some link to Hicks being out too. Just the simple call of telling if its a run or a pass can help the D heaps.

          • xeynon

            Yep. Kendricks is a talented player but more instinctual than cerebral. He doesn’t have the same ability to lift the play of the defense that Hicks does.

    • Guy Media

      That’s a high bar, but here are the ILBs.

      http://walterfootball.com/draft2018ILB.php

    • daveH

      Id put kuechly lee & hicks all equsl in both skills and succeptibility to injury

  • SteveH

    Ohhhh shit Lynch just laid out that Cowboys rookie lol.

  • SteveH

    oh jesus holding on the DL to give dallas the first down…….. Jesus christ. I knew you couldn’t trust Oakland but wow.

  • SteveH

    On that witten catch, I am now an expert thanks to some Eagles drama, but what matters is when Witten was contacted, not where he caught it.

    • sonofdman

      You are not taking into account the Dallas spot, which gives them an extra 1-2 yards on every close spot.

  • P_P_K

    Mediocre in the Meadowlands.

  • SteveH

    Another dropped pick for Dak. I cannot fucking believe how many of these he gets away with.

  • Someguy77

    I laughed when a few of the Dallas Morning News columnists suggested Morris would be pretty good in lieu of Elliott and he has been.

    • SteveH

      People grossly underestimate how good Dallas’ OL is at run blocking and how big a factor that plays into Zeke’s success. Morris is averaging 5 YPC and he’s a has been.

    • xeynon

      Flip side of this is that if Morris isn’t much of a downgrade from Elliott, missing Elliott isn’t a valid excuse for Dak’s crappy play without him. 🙂

      • SteveH

        The key to Dak’s success is exactly what he told Cris and old man next to him, with Zeke the linebackers get sucked up on play action which does 2 things: it gives Dak easy throws to people running open over the middle, and it lets Dak get the bootlegs going where he has no one near him and he can survey the field and make easy throws.

        So basically Dak is complaining that without Zeke he has to play quarterback like a normal person, instead of the easymode he gets with Zeke in there.

        • xeynon

          Yeah I agree with you, I think Elliott is significantly better than Morris and does make a huge difference to that offense. Just joking at the expense of the Cowboys.

          • SteveH

            It’s the combination. When you combine Dallas’ ridiculous run blocking with Zeke’s ability you get a Juggernaut running game. Then everything Dak does works off that juggernaut and gets badly exposed when he doesn’t have that.

  • SteveH

    Holy shit, Rams with 42 points and Goff only threw for 120 yards lol.

    • GENETiC-FREAK

      Gurley was beast!

    • xeynon

      Todd Gurley is a man among men.

      Also someone who I think should be getting MVP buzz.

  • CrackSammich

    There. Now Carr returned the dropped INT favor.

    • SteveH

      He just tossed it up because of the offsides, not at all comparable situations.

    • Someguy77

      Carr has been one of my big disappointments this year.

      • xeynon

        I admittedly haven’t watched a ton of him, but I’m not impressed. Seems a bit lacking pocket presence and prone to dumb throws into coverage to me.

        • Someguy77

          Stopped making of those dumb throws last year especially downfield and finally seemed like he had matured in his 3rd year.

          He does have a new QB coach (who looks creepy)

          http://www.raiders.com/team/coaches/Jake-Peetz/cdf63a2e-70ba-48ef-89d5-7e433895a25f

          but the OC coordinator, Downing, was the QB coach the past 2 years and kept the same system in place.

          Just hasn’t played well since he came back form transverse back fracture injury early this year.

          • SteveH

            Yeah that QB coach? All that time he says he’s watching game film? He’s actually watching porn and jacking off. 100%.

          • Someguy77

            Hitting on underage girls online seems more likely.

          • xeynon

            Once he retires from coaching he can run for Senate!

            *rimshot*

  • sonofdman

    That is just a terrible call. Lee initiated contact 12 yards down field.

    • SteveH

      At best they were both equally guilty. Whatever though, the Raiders dropped Dak’s easy interception that’s all that really matters.

  • Someguy77

    Raiders aren’t coming back in the 2nd half of this game. OH well.

  • xeynon

    How are the Raiders still alive for the playoffs? This team looks like garbage.

    • Guy Media

      So are the Chiefs and Chargers

    • Someguy77

      Oddly interested in watching them a bit this year and they just haven’t looked right since Carr came back.

      Before the injury, he looked like he was going to have a great year and they were going to ride the offense to a 10 maybe even 11-12 win after a 2-0 start.

  • Jernst

    Every week it seems we talk about how this team found a way to beat an inferior opponent while playing sloppy football. At some point we need to actually see the sloppiness get fixed otherwise this will be a very short post season for us.

  • daveH

    How about LA laying a Beatdown on the Sea-Ocks! !! ..does that mean we can or cannot beat either of them ???

    • Guy Media

      It means we’ll likely avoid Seattle in the post season!

      • xeynon

        It could also mean avoiding the Rams until the NFC Championship Game. At this point there’s a decent chance they secure the #3 seed and Atlanta or Carolina gets #4 as the NFC South champ, which I think is the better outcome for us.

        • Guy Media

          I don’t see the Falcons losing to garbage Carolina in week 17.

          • xeynon

            I can. Carolina is a good team.

          • Guy Media

            Fuck them. Fuck Cam. Fuck the refs for trying to steal our victory vs. that bunch of fucking clowns.

          • sonofdman

            Cam is a really good QB though, don’t you think? 😉

          • Guy Media

            No, he’s a limited passer with a strong arm and gimmick appeal. He blows.

          • Masked Man

            Cam has some unique strengths with that size and athleticism. You gotta box him in and tackle him. You can’t let him find open receivers. And you can’t let him run free from the pocket either.

  • sonofdman

    LOL Cowboys!

  • SteveH

    Omg I’m dying, Dak is so garbage it’s unbelievable.

    • CrackSammich

      Got hit while throwing.

      • SteveH

        That’s fine it makes up for the one that got dropped earlier.

        • CrackSammich

          I’m just saying. It’s not your best example of him being bad.

          • SteveH

            Fine, I’m transferring my laughter right now to the laughter that should have occurred when he dropped one right in a linebackers lap.

  • Mitchell

    Agholor had ANOTHER great game today. Dropped a pass and comes right back with a tough one! Huge surprise and is just consistantly good every week.

  • CrackSammich

    It hurts a little more that it looks like Dallas has solved their corner problem in this year’s draft, too.

    • SteveH

      Give it time, they thought they had their quarterback situation sorted out too.

      • CrackSammich

        In the last couple of drafts, they’ve gotten a LT, C, RB, DE, maybe a QB, and maybe a pair of corners. It’s not good when your division rivals figure out how to draft.

        • xeynon

          Most of those guys were taken with high picks, and there’s a very good chance they’ll lose that DE in free agency this offseason. I’m honestly really not that worried about the Cowboys.

  • CrackSammich

    Thanks for the lecture, Cris. I’m sure you can hear the eye rolling of everyone you were trying to reach from your booth.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      Lmao. That’s the biggest crock of shit I’ve heard on this.

      • CrackSammich

        So he thought about joining the protest, but instead did a completely different thing that had nothing to do with it. That’s how you make a difference!

    • SteveH

      Which is worse, the pontificating and bloviating from Collinsworth or the quiet smugness from Michaels.

  • SteveH

    Cowboys pulling out allllllllllllll the stops to beat the Raiders, who can barely get out of their own way. 10 penalties against the Raiders already.

    I don’t expect them to but I hope to god the Raiders pull this off.

  • Daniel

    McLeod is giving me Patrick Chung flashbacks at this point. What has been up with him dropping off so hard?

  • Donald Kalinowski

    The defense isn’t sloppy. They’re just flat out exposed.

    They’re always vulnerable on short passing passing routes in the middle of the field that move the chains. Mychal Kendricks might be one of the worst pass coverage LBs in the NFL.

    • xeynon

      Kendricks has improved in coverage. He was REALLY not the problem today.

  • Donald Kalinowski

    They’re reviewing the Tyronn Smith injury but not acknowledging the blatant hold

  • SteveH

    All that off a fake punt. Fucking hell.

  • Insomniac

    Fuck Dallas. I only needed Morris to bang in a TD so I can have a 30 point cushion to win this week. Assholes can’t even get that right.

  • xeynon

    Dallas looks to be losing focus.. I think they need more clapping from Garrett on the sideline.

    • A_T_G

      Nah, helmet slamming. A good ol’ I-want-to-play-with-the-ball-more tantrum is what they need to get going.

  • sonofdman

    I have Lynch in fantasy going against a team that has Crabtree. Twice Lynch was stopped at the two and then Crabtree got the TD. 24 point swing. Shit.

  • SteveH

    You know, watching the Raiders offense is kind of like art. Every yard, every completion, every inch of turf gained feels like it’s been earned with bloodshed and that the field of battle should be littered with corpses. That every point has been an almost Sisyphean task, that every touchdown is the result of the most improbable of feats of effort and determination.

    In short, they make offense look really really hard.

    • Guy Media

      In shorter; we’d better slay them next week.

      • Ark87

        I dunno, his description sounds a lot like the Giants.

  • Ark87

    hopefully today was just a wacky division game. Sucks watching all the contenders in the NFC steamrolling everyone in playoff form while we are battling through huge adversity. We got 2 games to round into shape. Get it together D.

    • Guy Media

      I wasn’t in the mood for wacky vs. a trash 2-11 football team, division be damned. I’m not giving back the win, but a wire to wire victory should have been in order vs. that trash.

    • xeynon

      Doesn’t matter how teams are playing in mid-December, matters how they play in January.

      • Guy Media

        Getting there with home field would be ideal

        • xeynon

          Agreed, I think our chances of going to the SB go down markedly if we have to play on the road.

          • A_T_G

            So as of now, we secured a bye the first week and home game the second week, right?

          • Guy Media

            Yes. And any combo of one win for us or one loss for Vikings locks home field.

          • Guy Media

            And given who is left on our schedule; I’m not in the mood for any home losses.

  • xeynon

    Marshawn Lynch is still a really good RB… why did Seattle let him go again?

    • Guy Media

      His back was destroyed and he needed a long long time off.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      He retired and then wanted to come back to his hometown. Seattle did him a solid

  • SteveH

    Catch the ball Oakland… Man everything they do is a struggle.

    • Guy Media

      Hence why we need to put a massive exclamation point on winning home field by killing them on Christmas Night.

  • Donald Kalinowski

    Pey-ton-Man-ning
    go a-way

    • Guy Media

      Cho needs to lay down some music for that and you’re all set.

  • sonofdman

    Does the Dallas extra yard spot count for replays too?

    • CrackSammich

      clearly it does.

  • Guy Media

    Why Oakland has to waste a challenge on a referee screw up on a spot is nonsensical.

  • Guy Media

    THESE REFS SUCK

    • sonofdman

      They put a card between the ball and the first down marker, which means the tip of the ball was not at the first down marker, and then gave them the first down anyway.

      • Forthebirds

        still trying to figure that one one. How could it be a first down?

  • SteveH

    Bell is getting away with false starts like every snap. I love it.

  • Jernst

    Seriously though that can’t be the rule, right? Take a loosely folded piece of scrap paper, put it between the ball and the stick and if it touches call it a first?

  • Jernst

    Wait are they gonna try to stick the paper between the ball and the goal line?

  • CrackSammich

    refs are gonna be all over the outcome of this game, too.

    • xeynon

      Yeah, but that was blatant DPI. Correct call.

  • CrackSammich

    Who was complaining about this rule earlier?

    • SteveH

      Me.

    • xeynon

      Not going to complain here, the Raiders deserved to lose this game. That was a moronic play on Carr’s part.

      • SteveH

        That was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in my life. Vocabulary doesn’t exist to describe how stupid that was.

        • A_T_G

          That decision thinks Gronk is a genius.

          • SteveH

            Gronk saw what Carr did there and said Bro…. Chill.

          • A_T_G

            If Carr goes home and tells his wife that at first he thought her pants made her look fat but maybe she just put on weight, it would be his second dumbest decision tonight.

  • xeynon

    Wow, Derek Carr is a dumb dumb.

  • SteveH

    Carr, you are a fucking idiot. You are a fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking idiot.

    • A_T_G

      He had the first down already, too.

    • daveH

      what he did do ?

      • xeynon

        Watch the replay. He’s right in one of his comments below, it’s too stupid to do justice by describing it.

        • daveH

          Fumble thru the end zone as far as i can tell .. but on a very qwick search sounds like levy to read up on any way

  • A_T_G

    Holy shit

  • SteveH

    Derek Carr is the new chief paste eater of all time. That was the dumbest thing he could have possibly done.

  • SteveH

    Oh my god I am so happy we have the players we have. If I had to deal with that shit as my quarterback, I think I’d probably walk into the ocean.

  • John Luck Pickerd

    Derek Carr giving his best David Carr impersonation.

    • xeynon

      Big brother just had happy feet and got rattled by pressure too easily. I don’t think he ever did anything that stupid.

  • SteveH

    Well, this concludes one of the wildest football Sundays I think I’ve ever seen. It’s a shame it had to conclude like that, but I can’t deny that I was entertained.

    • xeynon

      Doesn’t really matter too much – Dallas is already on life support as far as playoff hopes go. In fact I think if Atlanta beats Tampa Bay tomorrow as is probable, they are very close to eliminated already.

      It might even be better for the Eagles to have the Raiders flying across the country demoralized by having just been eliminated from the playoffs by an incredibly stupid self-inflicted wound (and the realization that their franchise QB is a moron).

  • Jernst

    Derek Carr you are impressively stupid.

  • Jernst

    The NFL you should be embarrassed to have a $10billion business where they use a folded piece of scrap paper determine the outcome of a game.

    • A_T_G

      So does this result in laser pointers mounted on the sticks, or a sponsorship for the official index card of the NFL?

      • Anders

        They should just use camera technology instead

  • CrackSammich

    Alright, so in order, the ref visually spots the progress of the ball without it being confirmed in any way. Then the chain gang visually places the chain without it being confirmed in any way. Then a potential first down occurs, and the ref visually spots it again. Then the chain gang runs onto the field while visually trying not to move their stick from the previously unverified spot to a new unverified spot presumably at the same yard line. Then they stretch the chain, which is probably the only thing in this whole process that can be precise, and check it against a football that is a couple inches above the ground, when both sticks cannot be determined to be vertical. And after all that, they used a folded piece of paper that nobody verified was actually perpendicular to the yard lines to check.

    In reality, the amount of potential variance in this process could be yards away from what is really happening.

    • SteveH

      And what’s amazing, is that’s only maybe the 4th or 5th dumbest thing that happened today.

      • RichEagle

        What’s amazing is July 20, 1969 & the placement of the football is still subjective.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      That ref’s smile cracked me up because he realized how ridiculous it was. That was the worst possible spot to place the football and there really was no straight forward answer. The ball placement is completely subjective and it’s based on whatever the ref thinks it’s at. You couldn’t even get the right spot based on the camera angles.

  • SteveH

    I’m not even angry, I’m giddy. I just witnessed 2 of my most hated rivals in sports come away with improbable victories thanks to the absolutely gobsmacking stupidity of their opponents. I think I need to just go somewhere for a while and think.

  • SteveH

    I’m going to cheer myself up and compute Dak’s final numbers without Zeke. He had a 76 QB rating tonight if anyone was curious. Against the worst pass defense in the NFL. If anyone was curious.

    Edit: oh my mistake it was a 59 rating, not a 76. I was giving him too much credit.

  • SteveH

    So the final tally is.
    78 QB Rating
    5 Touchdowns
    7 Interceptions
    191 yards passing per game

    And that is HEAVILY influenced by his game against the Giants. If that game weren’t in the equation those numbers would be literally worse than Deshone Kizer.

    So there it is folks, thats what Dak Prescott looks like without Zeke. The question has been answered, the argument has been settled.

    Those fucking Giants though and those 2 long touchdowns they gave up. Salvaged the whole thing, he can claim to only be as bad as Tom Savage now, instead of maybe worse than Deshone Kizer.

    • anon

      Dak is like a 5th round pick…

      • SteveH

        Which makes it perfect that he’s playing like one! The more the Cowboys commit to Dak the better it is for us. Jerry handing Dak a big contract would be a major win for us.

        • Ankerstjernen

          Been saying this since last year. We know he will too. Now we just need them to do the same with Zeke and watch him adopt the Eddie Lacy lifestyle methodology after taking 400 carries per season. Tyron Smith appear to have cronic back issues, Bryant is done, Witten is done and Lee is never going to be full go for a season. But that defense and the running game is going to be just good enough to keep them around 8-8 and keep them in purgatory with the clapper at the helm. This is the best case scenario we are practically watching right now. We should be a lot more concerned about the future of the Giants, who might actually pick up a good young QB and have solid skill position guys in the wings.

  • 这样的博客让人禁不住一天来几次!

  • BlindChow

    Gotta love that Spagnuolo called a run play on that 3rd and long at the goal line on their final possession. If the closeness of this game convinces Giants ownership to give him the HC job permanently, then this victory was well worth it.

    • CrackSammich

      The idea was probably to set up a more manageable 4th and short and run clock. While two chances at the end zone is good, 1 easier chance might be better, especially when the defense is expecting pass.

    • Donald Kalinowski

      Really? I thought it was a great decision. It almost caught the defense off gaurd and forced the Eagles into a timeout. Plus the game was coming down to that series anyway and they had 2 timeouts. So its not like they were wasting time.

      • BlindChow

        Played right into the Eagles’ defensive strength instead of their obvious, glaring weakness. They were giving up short passes for long gains all game, and the Giants could have had two more attempts to exploit that if they hadn’t called the run.

  • BlindChow

    The receivers also came threw in a big way.

    Tommy, typo (but also a possible pun) alert!

  • SteveH

    Still processing everything.

    I think the defense will be ok. I think we had a bad day at the office today, and really after that onslaught where they put up 20 early, our guys settled in a little more and things calmed down. IDK why but Eli always seems to have our number statistically, even if we seem to walk away with the win.

    Big props to Brandon Graham today, he had 2 big plays with our only sack and a big tackle for a loss on a run play. One thing you can count on and that’s that no matter what else is happening, Brandon Graham is going to fucking show up. He’s probably my favorite Eagle, dude deserves all the accolades he can get after all the abuse he took through his first five or six seasons here.

    The run D looked a little soft but that was only appearances, their running backs only had 61 yards on 22 carries, less than 3 yards a tote, that’s plenty good.

    Fletcher Cox and Tim Jernigan were really quiet today, not sure what’s up with them but I have faith they’ll get it together.

    Someone please get Bradham on the jugs machine. Shit.

    To me Ajayi is clearly our best runner right now, and I think we should be giving him 15-20 carries a game.

    Blount seems like a specialist at this point, the kind of guy you pound certain teams with or give the rock to to help close the game out.

    Clement is still a really nice change of pace back, he does some good stuff.

    Hopefully we can get home field sewn up by next week and we can rest the starters against the Cowboys. I’m not entirely convinced the Packers will beat the Vikings since they have nothing really left to play for, but maybe.

    The Seahawks are in a total tailspin right now, 2 blowout losses in a row. Should be interesting to see if they bounce back against the Cowboys or if they’ve completely lost the plot on the season.

    I’m disgusted that the Raiders didn’t steal tonight’s game from the Cowboys because they were dogshit most of the game, but them’s the breaks, you can’t have everything.

    • sonofdman

      If we win against the Raiders, we have home field no matter what the Vikings do against the Packers. If the Vikings lose to the Packers, we will have home field sewn up before we even play the Raiders.

    • bobeph

      the D has had a bad last 3 weeks or so

      • Donald Kalinowski

        And the 4 games prior to that they were playing against Beathard, Dak, Trobuski, and. Osweiler.

        Wilson, Goff, Cousins, Smith, Rivers, and Manning all had decent games against them.

  • SteveH

    Fun scenario: We still need to win the last game of the season for whatever reason, and the Cowboys are still somehow clinging to postseason hope. Then we fucking end them and sew up home-field. That would be one of the best belated Christmas presents ever.

  • SteveH

    I normally find Cam incredibly grating but this is actually pretty funny:

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cam-newton-calls-shot-pre-snap-packers-watching-film-watch-190901675.html

  • daveH

    Listened on Giants radio. . They kept saying Eli is only 2-7 when throwing for 300+ yards against the Eagles. .ha, now 2-8.. and JPP & other lineman get Paid big money to get to the QB and with their 9.5 sscks this season they have been big disappointing.

  • Ankerstjernen

    One take away from the game last night: The Burton bonfire celebration might be the best one yet. Was awesome and they nailed it.